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Josh Bostick, founder of Rebel Health Collective, shares his transformative journey of managing type one diabetes, sparking a passion for healthcare advocacy and community support. Through his story, Josh highlights the importance of education, self-awareness, and the power of online platforms to guide and connect patients. He explores the link between diet and health, challenging traditional approaches and advocating for dietary changes as alternatives to medication. By emphasizing self-advocacy, family well-being, and personal values, Josh inspires listeners to find clarity, purpose, and empowerment in navigating chronic illness and life’s challenges.
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Josh Porthouse (00:00):
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Welcome to Transacting Value,where we talk about practical
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applications for instigatingself-worth when dealing with
each other and even withinourselves, where we foster a
podcast listening experiencethat lets you hear the power of
a value system for managingburnout, establishing boundaries
, fostering community andfinding identity.
My name is Josh Porthouse, I'myour host and we are redefining
sovereignty of character.
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This is why values still holdvalue.
This is Transacting Value.
Josh Bostick (00:49):
You know, it's really up to us, as patients and
humans, to own our health andbe armed with knowledge and
stand up for ourselves wheneverwe are put in a position like
this.
Josh Porthouse (01:02):
This next conversation is not medical
advice.
Consult your primary careprovider prior to any treatment
changes.
Today, on Transacting Value,who can you trust when a
misdiagnosis makes you thinkyou're crazy, or medical
professionals come and cause youto question the validity of
your own self-awareness?
We're talking with a podcasthost and founder of Rebel Health
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Collective about finding theright doctor, asking critical
questions and navigating medicalcare to reinvigorate your sense
of self.
His name is Josh Bostick Guys,I'm Josh Porthouse, I'm your
host and from SDYT Media, thisis Transacting Value, josh.
What's up man?
How you doing?
Josh Bostick (01:46):
Doing well, doing well.
I got a full cup of coffee andanother Josh on the line, so I
can't complain.
How about you?
Josh Porthouse (01:53):
I just did the same thing.
As a matter of fact, just didthe same thing.
But, dude, yeah, I reallyappreciate it.
Man, I watched a couple of yourepisodes and conversations
earlier today on your channeland you've got something
interesting happening.
I think it's like you're notjust having conversations about
health and diagnoses, you'retalking resources and
perspectives, and stories anddepth.
(02:15):
Take a couple minutes here inthe beginning.
Let's do this.
Who are you For anybody who'sunfamiliar?
Where are you from?
What sort of things are shapingyour perspective and brought
you around to all these things?
Josh Bostick (02:28):
Sure, yeah, I think if you would have asked me
that three years ago, I wouldhave started off with my
profession and some of myhobbies as being who I am and
what I identify as.
But today I am a father and ahusband.
Those are the four mostimportant things in my life and
the last three years have reallyshaped that and really
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transformed my outlook andreally what I'm all about.
I mean, I want to be a goodemployee, I want to keep my job,
I want to be a good neighbor,but my son and my wife are the
most important things in my lifeand they're my why, as to why
my values have changed and why Iguess really my perspective on
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myself have changed.
So if anyone asks me, that'swho I am.
Those are the two most importantthings to me.
But I'm out in Fort Worth,texas, so right, kind of in the
heart of North Texas.
I work for a governmentcontracting company, for the DOD
, and you know, really I'm anadvocate too.
That's probably my biggestidentity.
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That made me want to start thepodcast and Rebel Health
Collective as a whole.
Josh Porthouse (03:38):
And what is Rebel Health Collective?
Just a catchy name and it sortof flows nice, or did it come
from somewhere?
Josh Bostick (03:46):
It came from my three years and the experience
that I've gone through.
I would say that going into thelast three years I was someone
that did the yearly annual bloodworkup, went to the ER or the
quick med ER places when I hadthe flu or something like that,
but I was probably the averageAmerican in their medical.
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You know knowledge and influencein the system.
But Rebel Health Collectivecame from working outside the
norms.
It's stories and community andinformation that you don't hear
in the four walls of a doctor'soffice and there's many reasons
why you don't hear in the fourwalls of a doctor's office and
there's many reasons why youdon't hear that.
And to your point earlier,that's a lot of what I'm trying
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to bring out and build acommunity around is advocates,
people who are truly goingthrough it and have stories to
tell, tips to give andexperiences to share and just
transferring that knowledge andcreating a place where people
can find others.
It may not be someone that'sgoing through the exact same
chronic illness, disease, mentalhealth issue, anything like
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that.
It's just building a communityof someone whose people are
going through things and a safespace to bounce ideas off and a
safe space to bounce ideas off.
Josh Porthouse (05:07):
Okay, so you mentioned three years ago a
couple times.
What's so special about threeyears ago?
Josh Bostick (05:12):
So three years ago I went in and, as I mentioned,
did my normal annual bloodworkup.
Expecting things to come backis the same as I had before.
Maybe cholesterol is a littlehigh, nothing out of the
ordinary.
But I actually got a call froma nurse saying you need to go to
the ER right now.
Whatever you're doing, drop itand go to the ER.
My blood sugar was near 400 atthe time of the blood draw and
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then my A1c was 12.7.
So almost 13.
And the average American, wherethey want it at, is between 5.4
and 5.6.
So definitely elevated.
Josh Porthouse (05:48):
Yeah, what does that indicate?
Josh Bostick (05:50):
That indicates well can potentially be type 2
diabetes, but in a lot ofinstances it's type 1 diabetes.
Josh Porthouse (05:58):
Well, okay, because insulin is not breaking
down sugars.
Josh Bostick (06:02):
Correct.
Yeah, so it can be the twowhere you're just extremely
insulin resistant and you canusually see that trend over time
.
Over several years, your bloodwork in A1C is going to start
trending upwards to a highernumber.
But from 2019 to 2020, my A1Cjust skyrocketed overnight, so
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definitely indicated that mypancreas wasn't producing
insulin through the beta cellsand had some autoimmune issues
going on.
Whoa.
Josh Porthouse (06:31):
Wow, and so that started this whole journey for
you individually, and that'salso where this picked up then
for Rebel Health Collective.
Josh Bostick (06:40):
Correct.
Yeah, so that's the first timethat my eyes were opened up to a
different side of the medicalsystem and really that stems
with that first night in the ER.
I was misdiagnosed right offthe bat because of my age yeah,
because of my age and my build.
They basically said it can't betype one, it's type two.
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They gave me some metformin,which is a drug that helps lower
your blood sugar, and I hadasked do I need to get a glucose
meter, check my glucose oranything like that?
And the answer is basically no.
Just take this medication andyou'll be fine.
And that was the guidance I wasgiving.
Nothing more on diet, exercisethings I can do.
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Just take these pills andyou'll be okay.
Josh Porthouse (07:24):
Okay, now is that really a shock, though, I
mean, for everybody that goesinto the ER or the hospital or
to see their doctor.
Of all the people that they see, they got to play to the
average, I guess, to start for abaseline, because everybody's
so different.
You know what I mean.
Was it that big of a?
Not the diagnosis, that's ashock, but the process itself,
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the revelation.
Josh Bostick (07:47):
I don't think necessarily like someone going
into the ER with the numbersthat I had I mean that wasn't
out of the norm or anythingcrazy.
But I think the fact that itwas just a one size fit all,
whatever that doctor'sexperience was, that was what
was kind of cast over me.
There wasn't any individualtreatment to it.
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It didn't say let's run someother tests.
I mean, there's blood work thatyou can do to say exactly that
it's type 1 diabetes.
And why didn't we potentiallyrun that?
When I was there andessentially I walked out of the
hospital and had thought aboutthe urgency that that nurse had
had and the treatment that I'dgotten from the ER and things
(08:30):
just didn't really line up.
So I typed in type one diabetesand Google brought up you know
a list of symptoms and I checkedevery single one of them and
those weren't talked about inthe ER.
We didn't walk through any ofthose.
It was just your blood sugar'shigh.
Here's some medication.
Josh Porthouse (08:48):
What does that do to your outlook?
I mean, that's like not theprognosis, I guess I'm sure that
was pretty debilitating for afew days at minimum, but like
the process itself it's.
You don't even know your bodyas well as somebody else who's
not in it.
You know what I mean?
(09:09):
That to me seems prettyeye-opening.
Josh Bostick (09:14):
It was, yeah, and I think that's what made me
start realizing that I've got toadvocate for myself and really,
if something doesn't make sense, speak up.
And I'm not trying to discreditdoctors by any mean.
I mean they do an extraordinaryjob, they have a ton on their
plate, they have an educationthat there's no way I could ever
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complete.
So by no means trying to knockanything from doctors, but it's
really up to us, as patients andhumans, to own our health and
be armed with knowledge andstand up for ourselves whenever
we are put in a position likethis.
You know, my gut feelingsitting on that bed was I need
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at least more knowledge thanjust take this medication.
You know, at a minimum, if itwould have been type 2 diabetes,
I would have liked to have likea more in-depth conversation
and I shouldn't have left untilI was fulfilled with that and
just from my prior medicalexperience that's.
You know, I took it for whatthe doctor said and was on my
way.
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Josh Bostick (10:52):
At a minimum.
If it would have been type 2diabetes, I would have liked to
have a more in-depthconversation and I shouldn't
have left until I was fulfilledwith that and, just from my
prior medical experience, I tookit for what the doctor said and
was on my way.
Josh Porthouse (11:09):
Well, you have every reason to trust the doctor
.
I think let's just say as abaseline here in the United
States, you have every reason totrust the doctor.
But then I think you'rebringing up a good point.
The ownership of informedconsent falls to you, not the
person presenting it, right,they're accountable for it,
(11:29):
obviously, to tell you what'sgoing on, and here's the end
user license agreement for yourtreatment or whatever.
But if you scroll to the bottomand hit OK, well, now it's on
you.
Josh Bostick (11:42):
Right.
Josh Porthouse (11:42):
Yeah, yeah, okay .
But then I also think about Imean, you brought up concerns,
you said yourself you brought upare we sure?
Do I need to do anything else?
Is there anything else I couldtry?
For you know, these types ofconsiderations, did you feel
heard?
I mean, how much do you say itbefore you're futile?
Josh Bostick (12:03):
I, I mean it goes back to what you just mentioned.
I brought up the concerns butfor whatever reason his past
experiences, other diagnosesthat he'd given patients he'd
seen.
He was confident with hisanswers and I asked the
questions, he gave me aconfident answer back.
I was like, okay, sure, becausehe is a doctor, you do trust
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what.
Asked the questions, he gave mea confident answer back.
I was like, okay, sure, likeyou know, because he is a doctor
, you do trust what they'resaying and you know, I think
that is the way it should be.
We shouldn't go aroundquestioning every single thing a
doctor says by any means.
But you know, in that case hestood by what he was saying and
I believed him.
Josh Porthouse (12:39):
Yeah Well, there's nothing wrong with that.
We have a saying.
Most of my career has been inthe infantry in the Marine Corps
, and this may be Corps-wide,this may be DOD-wide, maybe out
to the contractors, I don't know.
But trust but verify is aphilosophy that floats around
and permeates this entiremilitary subculture.
This sounds like one of thoseopportunities where, as long as
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you have the awareness to verifyor know where to look or just
come up with a couple ofquestions, even to more
critically evaluate the accuracyof somebody else's assessment,
you might have been bettersooner or at least more in
control sooner.
Is that accurate?
Josh Bostick (13:19):
Yeah, totally.
And I mean I think that comesto the Googling.
When I was walking out of theparking lot.
I mean it was that comes to theGoogling when I was walking out
of the parking lot.
I mean it was a trust, butverify, I trust what you say.
But something in my gut didn'tseem right and all the symptoms
lined up.
So I was like you know, Ishould go see a specialist.
I need to go see anendocrinologist that sees
patients like me every singleday, is accustomed to the blood
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work and tests that you can doto dig deeper into a diagnosis
and whatnot.
And that's when I made aspecialist appointment and
ultimately got the actual typeone diagnosis.
Josh Porthouse (13:52):
I've heard that before too.
Going to see your primary careor general practitioner is good
if you have something generic,but if you have something that
doesn't seem to be as ordinaryas a common cold or something to
that effect a broken bone,consider somebody that
specializes in it.
Josh Bostick (14:12):
Definitely yeah, and I mean with the ER.
My look on it now is when yougo to the ER, you have a limb
that's hanging off and theirgoal is to keep you alive.
They're not trying to be aspecialist for you for the next
several years, they're trying tomake sure that you walk out of
there and have a pulse.
So also something to considerwhen you're going into a
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doctor's office what is theirspecialty and what are you
trying to get out of it?
Josh Porthouse (14:38):
Well, that's important too.
Yeah, Education goes a long way.
Self-awareness obviously on onehand, but the practical
application on the other.
And I don't know where that'staught outside of specialized
medicinal schools, like nursingprograms or whatever.
To say well, for example, thisis the role of an emergency room
in any city planningconsideration or medical trauma
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triage type process.
But yeah, you're exactly right,we have a similar philosophy
where if anybody gets injured,shot or whatever happens, the
first thing that has to happenis get them off the X that's the
expression that generallystands out with every branch
Well, and maybe even outside themilitary.
But the idea is, whatever theinjury is, do what you need to
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in the most immediate sense.
If you can't get it done withinthe first couple seconds and it
doesn't need to be done withina couple seconds get them out of
the way, first out of the killbox or whatever's happening in
the kinetic environment, andthen troubleshoot.
And if for, for example, allsorts of training programs for
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special forces and combat armsprofessionals in any branch to
stabilize people enough to thenget them to emergency care, from
combat trauma to emergency care, from emergency care to some
sort of stable well, relativelymore stable facility, and then
whatever recovery and physicaltherapy.
(16:07):
After that it's all a continuum,I guess is the right word.
Yeah, yeah, where is that?
I mean you're becoming somewhatof the resource guy.
Where's the place that we cansay, or is there a place that we
can say, okay, this place maybenot by name but in capacity
does these things, these placesdo these things.
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Or is that just in conversationand we just have to talk to
each other?
Josh Bostick (16:33):
I think it's in conversation again just owning
your health.
I think there's so manyplatforms my podcast, a lot of
what you have going on with yourpodcast.
I mean it's real people.
You definitely have doctors andexperts and SMEs, but at the
same time, you have just random,real people who want to tell
their story and have things togive and, honestly, that's where
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I have found the most helpfulinformation and the people who
have spent the most time to helpme is on some of those deep,
dark holes of the internet.
I mean, reddit has been my bestsource of diabetic information.
I've had people get on Zoomcalls, phone calls, facetimes,
and we've talked for an hour anda half two hours and they've
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told me what's worked for them,tips and tricks and they always
caveat with this may not workfor you, but this is my
experience and it's someonewho's really going through it.
They're jabbing themselvesmultiple days, multiple times a
day, with insulin, they'repricking their fingers, they're
having pumps that aren't working, and those are the sources that
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just have led me to control mydiabetes so much better.
And that's what my goal withRebel Health is is to have that
kind of a community and resourcefor people to reach out to.
Josh Porthouse (17:52):
Yeah, that is pretty interesting and I imagine
it's a fair bit fulfilling.
It is, yeah, just the role thatyou're able to fill, on one
hand, coming obviouslyfirst-hand experience coming
from what's wrong with me, whyis nothing working, what is
happening, and whatever amountof questions come with that.
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To then, oh, finally now I'vegot some respite.
To then, nope, never mind, thatwas wrong, I'm back where I
started.
Nope, nevermind, that was wrong, I'm back where I started.
And then to get slingshot intothe foreground of this is
totally not what I was expecting, or whatever research you have
to do, I assume, with nothingbut a pamphlet or a trifold
something, and then your ownresearch skills, right, so where
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did you even start?
How do you manage all thosethings mentally, let alone
digitally?
Josh Bostick (18:40):
So when I did get the type one diagnosis, there
are resources and trainings thatthey put you through but my
blood sugar was still going allover the place.
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It was going super high.
And then I was going super lowto the point where I was like
kind of getting dizzy and almostpassing out throughout the day
and I had a breaking point andalways gets to me.
But my wife was out on worktravel, and so my son had just
been born he was probably fourmonths old at the time and we'd
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had dinner.
I'd done too much insulin forthe meal that I had and my
numbers started just kind ofplummeting.
They're going straight down.
I could feel the dizziness andthe shaking coming on and I just
knew like I've got to put myson somewhere, Like I'm not safe
to hold him, I can't take careof him.
I've got to put him somewheresafe.
And you know, get over this,this low.
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And so I ended up putting himin his crib, just sitting
backwards to his crib, listeningto him, just crying, you know,
as an infant does, and justsitting there, feeling
completely helpless, not able tocare for my son.
Helpless, not able to care formy son, and at that point, I was
just like this can't happen,this isn't who I want to be,
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this isn't the dad I want to be,and I started flashing through
like basketball practice,baseball practices, things like
that, and just thought thatthere has to be another way.
Whatever I'm doing is notworking and I'm trying to do
what's been told.
And that's when I reallystarted looking into other
groups you know, support groups,people's experiences, podcasts
and things like that to starttaking practical steps into
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other people who are fightingthis disease and this lifestyle.
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Josh Bostick (21:06):
And that's when I really started looking into
other groups you know, supportgroups, people's experiences,
podcasts and things like that tostart taking practical steps
into other people who arefighting this disease and this
lifestyle.
Josh Porthouse (21:41):
Yeah, that is difficult for sure.
I remember not in the exactcircumstance youing, but
initially hosting beforelistening, and it became my
therapy, and so I startedtalking to people and working
through it, because what Istarted to realize was the more
I was trying to communicate withmy son.
We were long distance and hewas older than yours, but we
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started to communicate moreoften.
But all I could think about waswork.
I couldn't detach, I couldn'tcommunicate effectively and the
only thing I kept coming back towas is this the kind of person
that I want to be when he's oldenough to remember these
conversations?
Similar sort of circumstancewhich you were describing to you
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, and it's a powerful motivator.
You know they say it is.
Which you were describing toyou, and it's a powerful
motivator.
You know they say it is.
They say your big why generallyrevolves around your big who,
and I think that exactlyexemplifies it.
Man, and to have that kind ofclosure, I think to know that
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you're not going crazy in theprocess, that you're actually
making some headway, counts fora lot.
But I think when you canattribute it and tie it to, I
feel better.
But I actually know it's goingto make our family a more
stronger unit and better for himas he's growing up and for your
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wife, and just to take not onlythat kind of ownership, but be
able to take that kind ofownership and then do something
with it, do something about it.
What a cool feeling that musthave been.
Josh Bostick (23:17):
It was and, as you mentioned, you know, when I
started seeing that my bloodsugar was leveling out, my
numbers were getting better, myA1C was going down, I realized
that I was starting to do somany more things that I wasn't
able to do before.
I was getting on the ground.
I was being much moreinteractive with him.
I kind of went from this likecouch potato, kind of just not
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excited about anything, to beingreally motivated and just
wanting to get back to normal,and I hadn't had that really
before that rock bottom.
Josh Porthouse (23:51):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that's cool too, and I'mnot even familiar with all of
the symptoms.
As it applies to diabetes, isthis a primary topic on your
show, or what you want yourprimary topic to be?
Josh Bostick (24:02):
I mean, it definitely comes up a good bit
just because it is somethingthat I live with every day.
But no it's not type 1, type 2diabetes as a whole focused.
I mean we've had differentguests with different illnesses
on.
We've got a bunch of peoplelined up with lupus, different
cancers, different rare diseases.
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So I mean it's kind of all over.
But it's trying to spreadinformation for anyone who might
be interested in lupus orsomething like that, just a
resource to hear someone's truestory, not so much a science-y
white paper reading, but a reallife experience.
Josh Porthouse (24:42):
Yeah, yeah.
Now what is this doing for yourinsight into, maybe, medical
facilities or medical training?
I mean, is this diminishing it,enhancing it, helping it,
hurting it?
What is that hearing all thesestories and all these
experiences?
What does that do for you?
Josh Bostick (25:00):
A little bit of everything.
There's a lot of stories thatare similar to mine.
Okay, there's a lot of storiesthat are similar to mine
Misdiagnoses, people goingseveral years without being able
to get a diagnosis but then,you know, I've also talked to
some amazing doctors who are upto the latest and greatest
trainings and techniques thatare coming out, and you know,
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there's doctors who areincorporating things that push
what they're being taught inmedical school.
So it's brought hope in thatsense that there are a lot of
good doctors out there who aretrying to do new techniques,
advance their skills and thingslike that.
But it's also brought to lighta lot of people who have
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struggled over the years due tothe medical system as well, just
from not having the rightresources, the right support or
knowing where to go or how toadvocate for themselves.
We have a lot of people rightnow who go into a doctor's
office and are just given pillsthat mask the symptoms.
And by no means am I knockingWestern medicine, because
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there's a lot of greatprescriptions and things out
there that I think are 100%necessary.
Whenever you go to the doctor,when's the last time they ask
about your sleep, your diet,your lifestyle, your activities,
your hobbies, I mean those areimportant things that we don't
think about as medicine anymore,and that's one of the big
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things that I'm trying to pushis the functional side of
medicine and health, wheregetting out in the sunlight,
going for walks with yoursignificant other, spouses,
family, all that kind of stuffis things that we don't talk
(26:46):
about in the doctor's office,and those four walls that I
really think are lacking in whatare leading to a lot of the
problems that we're having.
Josh Porthouse (26:55):
Is that a luxury though?
Do you think being able to havethose conversations just
because it is a business they'retrying to cycle bodies through
and help as many people as theycan Is that a luxury cycle?
Josh Bostick (27:05):
bodies through and help as many people as they can
.
Is it a luxury?
I think it's looked at as one,but it shouldn't be.
I think it should be the rootof where things are happening.
I mean, when you go in withsymptoms, you get a prescription
to take care of those symptoms.
But what if those symptoms arecoming from a food allergy but
you never talk about your diet?
You're just going to be takinga prescription that could easily
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be fixed by not eating acertain food group seafood,
gluten, things like that.
I mean, with my diet I have cutout gluten and it's cleared up
so many different things andit's made my blood sugar so much
more stable.
So weird things like that.
And because I talked tosomebody on Reddit that said you
should do the AIP diet.
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It's like an exclusionary dietwhere you cut out all the high
trigger foods, you slowlyintroduce them back in and, as
you see symptoms come back, youknow that that could be a
potential trigger.
Josh Porthouse (27:57):
I've heard of something similar like that, but
for I think it was magnesium orsomething, something in seafood
.
I had a friend where she didsomething similar.
She just scaled everything backand then slowly introduced it
back in.
Yeah, and obviously, you know,in not every case is that
effective or obviously medicaladvice for everyone, but yeah,
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it's definitely an option, sure,just as much as anything else
could be.
Josh Bostick (28:23):
Yeah, I mean.
I just I think it's a resourcethat we could be using in the
doctor's office that doesn'tcost anything.
You know, some of theprescriptions that people are on
are really, really expensiveand why not try some?
You know natural things that wecan be incorporating into our
lifestyle to potentially bringback some of the symptoms, or
you know causes that we'reseeing bring back some of the
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symptoms or causes that we'reseeing, Sure, but then medicine
or your diagnosis got thisstarted.
Josh Porthouse (28:51):
I mean, that was the catalyst.
Is this a new interest for youthough Healthcare wellness or
was this always a hobby of yoursand sort of an outlet or a
fascination?
Josh Bostick (29:03):
I would have never in a million years imagined
that I had a podcast talkingabout healthcare transformation
and like health advocacy Never,ever in a million years.
And you know, really mydiagnosis initially didn't kick
this off either.
I just thought, you know, I'lldo insulin, I'll follow what
they're saying.
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And then, and it wasn't working,and it wasn't until I met some
of the people on the internetand different forums that really
took so much time out of theirday just for no reason other
than to help a random stranger,that I started to understand how
little information there is inthe medical system and some of
those you know education systemsthat you go through just
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because there's so many peoplegoing through it.
You know they do have such atime crunch and doctors can't
spend two hours with you.
They just can't as much as theyprobably want to.
Like you said, there's abusiness and a lot of them these
days don't own the practice.
So you know, even if they trulywant to which I think most, 99%
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of them do they just can't.
And so, meeting all thesepeople and advocates, I just I
got so much out of it and theygave my life back in such a way
that I didn't think was going tobe possible, that I want to try
and do my part and continuethat on.
Josh Porthouse (30:21):
I think that's an important aspect to know too.
I mean, on one hand, as far asdoctors and nurses go right
first, do no harm.
So I doubt that's an importantaspect to know too.
I mean, on one hand, as far asdoctors and nurses go right
first, do no harm.
So I doubt it's intentionallyneglecting or willful omission.
But I think there is a certainnecessity as we get older, just
as people, as we grow throughlife, to be able to make our own
decisions, not take everythingat face value.
To be able to make our owndecisions, not take everything
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at face value.
And so it's important, yeah, Iagree, to have different options
and sometimes, like you justbrought up, crowdsourcing
opinion doesn't hurt anything,in fact.
Josh Bostick (30:59):
I think oftentimes it can be helpful, depending on
what it is you're soliciting, Isuppose.
Yeah, I mean you're definitelygoing at it on your own risk
when you do crowdsourcing, thatthe doctors are going to be
providing safe protocol that isproven.
You know that the FDA approvesand and things like that.
So when you do crowdsourcing oryou know, do something by
talking to someone through aforum or group, I mean you're
taking that risk upon yourselfand that's definitely something
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that you need to be aware of.
You know, think through theadvice that people are giving
you.
But, for instance, my endo andI were talking at my last
appointment and we go through mycharts and see why my numbers
are going up and down, and hebrought up one occasion and he
goes what happens here?
Your numbers were so good, Isaid I gave a presentation.
Whenever I get stressed out mynumbers, the cortisol your body
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releases, it generates glucoseand so my numbers just skyrocket
and no amount of insulin willbring it down until that
stressor is over.
I mean I was looking at mywatch before coming on with you
and my numbers were creeping upand he had no idea that a
stressful situation like thatcould increase your blood sugar
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numbers.
So it's things like that.
But if you ask most diabetics,they know for a fact that an
event like that will raise yournumbers.
So it's things like that.
But if you ask most diabetics,they know for a fact that an
event like that will raise yournumbers.
Josh Porthouse (32:10):
Interesting.
Josh Bostick (32:12):
So it's just a matter of what they're taught in
school and then people who areliving with it every single day.
Josh Porthouse (32:18):
Sure.
Well, yeah, and I guess that'swhy they call it an educated,
guess.
Josh Bostick (32:22):
Yeah.
Josh Porthouse (32:23):
Right, Definitely Okay.
Well, so then let's talk aboutyou for a second, because you
said just a couple of minutesago not in a million years, but
I have thought I'd be doing apodcast like this about all of
these different types ofhealthcare and wellness
considerations.
Why not?
What was the polar opposite orwhat was the difference?
Who were you back then?
Josh Bostick (32:44):
I was the person who was relatively know, was
relatively healthy, could domountain bike, could go run.
You know, I did my annualhealthcare checkup and
everything usually checked outfine.
I just I had no reason to knowthe other side of what people
can deal with.
And you know, in the strugglesthat come with chronic illness
and mental health and justcancer and some of that stuff, I
(33:08):
had never been privy to thatworld.
Josh Porthouse (33:12):
I get it now, okay.
Yeah, I thought it was like anactual aversion to having a show
about health and wellness.
Josh Bostick (33:19):
You just meant because it wasn't a
consideration Wasn't a blimp onthe radar by any means.
Josh Porthouse (33:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah , okay, okay, I see wasn't a
blimp on the radar by any means.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, Isee.
Well, now then, while we aretalking about you, this is a
pretty good time for thissegment of the show called
developing character.
D d d, developing character,and it's two questions.
Uh, for everybody who's new tothe show, the idea behind this
is because my working theory isthat values are a shortcut to
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identity and relationships andconversation and all of the
self-awareness that comes withthose things.
To the exact point and reasonyou're bringing up.
Sometimes it will literallysave your life, and so I'm
curious Now you're in a positionwhere you have this kind of
authority and resourcefulnessand accountability to your
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audience, and so my questionabout your values is twofold.
One of them is how all of thisgot started.
So what were some of the valuesthat you were raised around or
that you remember being broughtup around?
Josh Bostick (34:22):
My dad had always constantly driven into us.
Do the right thing when noone's looking, and that's
picking up the piece of trashthat you walk by and there's a
trash can right there.
It's not throwing something outthe window of your car, it's
helping someone when they'redown, and not doing it for the
credit or applause but becauseit's truly the right thing, and
(34:44):
I think that's really driven.
We just start this healthtransformation community is.
You know, I'm not doing it tomake money.
I probably never will makemoney off this and that's not
the goal.
It's to spread the informationand you know, if I could do it
faceless and not put my face onhere, I'd prefer to do it that
way.
That'd be the goal.
(35:05):
But it's just to help others,without any credit or monetary
reason behind it, other thanpeople did it for me when I was
down and turned my life around.
So it's just the opportunity todo that to them.
Josh Porthouse (35:22):
Sweet.
Yeah, well, I'm glad it carriedthrough because, like I told
you before we started recording,I think a lot of the material
you're putting out and workingto put together to be able to
showcase is 100% worthwhile, andyou never know what you're
going to come across that'sgoing to help somebody else, or
vice versa, where you're goingto come across information that
might help you.
So then now, though, aftertalking to everybody in your
(35:45):
life personally, on your showeverywhere, what about now?
I mean, have any of your valueschanged?
Have you identified more ofthem that put others before
myself?
You know, definitely the thepeople pleasing mentality.
Josh Bostick (36:12):
Um, but through this experience and working with
my wife, I've really realizedthat you know, there's times
where I have to put myself first.
You know when I've had a reallylong day with her or not with
her.
Would I've had a really longday with her or not with her?
I've had a really long day.
I need to communicate with herand say like, hey, I'm at like
40%.
I need you to pick up the other60% with our son tonight and
(36:34):
telling her that I can't do itall.
I'm having a bad day and takingthe time for me to be able to
recharge and get back to where Ineed to be, to help her around
the house and do my job and bethere for our son.
And you know a lot of the thingsthat we've come through as well
, as our circle has gottensmaller.
You know we don't go out and wesay no a lot more, and I think
(36:55):
that's made a big difference aswell, as before we felt like we
owed an obligation to go out tosomeone's event just because we
got invited.
But nowadays, you know, we kindof focus on our family and us
more, where, if we've had a longweek and we need a week just to
hang out at the house, that'sokay, you can say no.
And so I think, throughfighting through this disease
(37:18):
and figuring out this lifestyle,that's really led both of us to
step back from the peoplepleasing and advocate for
ourselves and our needs andputting our family first.
Josh Porthouse (37:31):
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Josh Bostick (38:06):
Fighting through this disease and figuring out
this lifestyle that's really ledboth of us to step back from
the people-pleasing and advocatefor ourselves and our needs and
putting our family first.
Josh Porthouse (38:18):
Yeah, and self-advocacy not for nothing is
usually pretty low on people'sradar.
Not for nothing is usuallypretty low on people's radar.
It's uh, we have we have thesame sort of I guess similar
concept in in the Marine Corps,right, where, uh, there's no
individuals.
So if you're trying to dowhatever, take care of yourself
(38:42):
first.
What makes you so special?
Okay, you forget the other guy?
Huh, all these types ofcomments that are prejudicial to
good order and discipline.
You try to take that with you,maybe inadvertently, after your
career is over and move past it,and that aspect of your
(39:05):
identity is tough to reconcilewith.
In your case, you didn't have achoice but to learn to take
care of yourself first until youfound a better balance, and I
think that's tricky to come togrips with for a lot of people.
How did you start to workthrough that?
Obviously aside from a healthneed, but making peace with that
, accepting, okay, I can comefirst sometimes peace with that,
(39:27):
accepting okay, I can comefirst.
Josh Bostick (39:29):
Sometimes it was having so many bad days, you
know, they just would stack upand it was, you know, day after
day after day, of trying to doevents or go places and do
things that were just wearing meout and then ultimately, you
know, wearing my wife outbecause we get home and I would
just be useless, and then she'dbe having to pick up the slack,
take care of the dogs, take careof our son, clean up around the
(39:50):
house, and it was taking a tollon her as well, just because I
wasn't able to be there assupport.
Josh Porthouse (39:57):
So then you guys , what figured it out on your
own, just by chance.
Josh Bostick (40:03):
Yeah, I mean it was communication between the
two of us just saying this isn'tworking.
Why are we in this state?
And it was definitely before Ifigured out how to manage my
blood sugar and diabetes better.
But it was.
Why are we in this state?
And it was because we wererunning ourselves ragged, trying
to go to grandparents' housesso that they could see our sign.
(40:24):
Going to friends' birthdays,going to weddings, going to work
events, happy hours, all thosekinds of things other than just
kind of taking it easy and beingour little family unit at times
.
Josh Porthouse (40:35):
Well, that may not be easy either at times.
Josh Bostick (40:40):
But no and that's what I mentioned where our
circle's kind of gotten smallerFor the people that didn't
really put an effort in to bearound for us, or you know, when
we were kind of hermiting toour house they didn't make an
effort to come over and hang out.
They just kind of eventuallyfaded off.
You know, it wasn't like a hardcutout, but the circle just
kind of got smaller.
Josh Porthouse (41:01):
That's okay too.
Yeah, that's okay too.
Yeah, no-transcript, or,professionally, anybody else, in
any career.
Nobody's going to look out foryour endeavors to the same
extent that you will.
(41:21):
You've got supporters, you'vegot cheerleaders, grandparents
right, but it's different.
It's different and I think, iffor no other reason than that,
having some degree of thatinformed consent or education or
understanding how to research alittle bit and knowing where
some resources are to findanswers or to find options, I
(41:41):
think that's why it makes allthe difference, because in the
end, it is just you advocatingfor you, because nobody else
knows you like you do.
Yeah, absolutely so.
Okay, for the sake of time, Ireally only have two more
questions for you, and this onemight be a little bit deeper
than we've dug so far.
(42:01):
But I'm curious because, withthe amount of initial
misdiagnoses, confusion that youhad around your own symptoms,
let alone what the medical staffhad around your symptoms, what
to do about that, how to adjustyour family, how to have these
conversations with people hey,watch out for these things.
Help me out if you notice this.
Whatever All of these thingsthat you went through and worked
(42:23):
through, you have no choice butto make yourself heard or you
die.
So that's a pretty lofty reason,I think, a pretty high bar to
make sure your point gets acrossclearly.
But in the events when itdoesn't like we said, the
diagnosis, diagnosis, forexample and you start to
question am I the one who'scrazy here?
(42:43):
Like I'm, I'm feeling thesethings.
Can somebody at least give me alittle validation, even if it's
just a polite thought,something?
What does that do to your worth, all of these things?
Now?
Has it changed how you viewyour own self-worth now?
Josh Bostick (42:58):
yeah, I think it does, and I mean that kind of
goes back to not being so muchof the people pleasing and
understanding that you know ifit wasn't the diabetes, and for
those that aren't going throughsome kind of like a medical
illness, you know diagnosis,things like that.
I think we're all going toeventually hit that rock bottom.
(43:22):
It's going to be your backupagainst the crib, listening to
your child cry, in whateversituation you want to put it in.
If you're devoting 90 hours toyour job, eventually you're
going to hit a point where it'snot worth it and you're going to
look back and say I wasted allthese years with my family.
I didn't go to my kids' games,I wasn't there for my dad when
(43:43):
he was in the hospital, thingslike that.
I just I think we're all goingto hit a point eventually and
it's that turning point andthat's when you really
understand your worth and yourwhy.
To what you mentioned earlier,I mean, from that point on,
listening to my son cry, I knewfrom then on whatever it took
for him and my wife to be happyand safe.
(44:05):
That's, that was my goal.
Josh Porthouse (44:08):
Pretty wild.
That was the wake up call,though, you know.
Josh Bostick (44:12):
Yeah, yeah, and it can be anything for anyone.
It doesn't have to be somethingcrazy or tragic.
But I think once you hit thatpoint and you're kind of like
wow, this isn't who I thought Iwas going to be, how life was
going to go where I picturedmyself being, listen to it and
understand why you are there andwhat's making you come to that
(44:34):
realization, I think that'swhere you find your worth and
can turn it around.
Josh Porthouse (44:39):
I think that's where you find your worth and
can turn it around.
Yeah, absolutely.
And also, from the other hand,of that perspective, if it
weren't for you getting yourdiagnosis, who's to say that you
ever would have had thatrealization to prioritize
differently and focus more onyour family or not take things
as granted as quickly orwhatever.
I mean sometimes thosegrounding experiences, let me
(45:01):
say this sometimes those realityexperiences ground you, but for
the better, yeah.
Josh Bostick (45:08):
Totally and to your point.
If it wasn't the diabetes, whoknows, it could have been 10
years from now and it could havebeen something else getting
fired from a job that I devotedmy life to, who knows when or
what it could be, but I'm sureit would have happened
eventually, and I'm glad it didhappen when it did, so that I
could start now and focus onwhat really matters to me.
Josh Porthouse (45:31):
Yeah, yeah, sure , young enough to try to spring
back and do something.
Yeah, that's huge too Cool man.
So for anybody that wants tofind out more, watch your
conversations, listen to yourpodcast, rebel Health Collective
.
Where do we go, man?
How do we actually find theseresources you're providing?
Josh Bostick (45:51):
Sure, so it's on all of them.
The major streaming podcastplatforms on YouTube got an
Instagram, got a Facebook page,all of that.
So you should be able to justsearch Rebel Health Collective
wherever you get yourinformation from, and hopefully
we pop up there Sweet.
Josh Porthouse (46:10):
Yeah, cool, okay .
So for anybody who's new to ourshow, you can go to
transactingvaluepodcastcom andif you're streaming the
conversation there or any otherplatform you're playing this
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Click see more.
Or click show more under theplayer for the conversation and
in the dropdown you'll see thatdescription In there.
You'll also see links to RebelHealth Collective and Josh's
(46:34):
Facebook and Instagram for theshow as well, so you guys can
track down the resources there.
And since you're already herelistening to him on the show
anyways, you may as well gothere and go straight to his and
check it out after.
So, super cool, man, Iappreciate your perspective and
next time when you come back onthe show, which is a formal
invitation, let's make it alittle bit more deliberate
instead of the overview, becausethere's a lot of questions I've
(46:56):
got for you and not as muchtime right now to do it, but I
really appreciate your timesaying that and being able to
step away from your evening andjust talk for a little bit,
albeit a little bit differently,maybe than what you're used to
on your show, but I doappreciate it.
So thanks for your time.
Josh Bostick (47:12):
No, I really appreciate you having me and,
again, I really appreciate theplatform that you're building
and have put out already.
So I think you have reallyimportant conversations on here
and from the 10 or so episodesI've listened to, I've
definitely taken away some goodthings.
So appreciate everything thatyou're doing.
Josh Porthouse (47:29):
Well, thanks for listening to all 10.
That's huge too, man.
Feedback is such an interestingthing to try to come by and
then understand what to do withit.
So absolutely any insight, anyinput you've got, I really
appreciate it, let alone thesupport.
And obviously for anybody elselistening to the conversation
who wants to leave feedback forus on our show like I said,
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Welcome to Transacting Value,where we talk about practical
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applications for instigatingself-worth when dealing with
each other and even withinourselves, where we foster a
podcast listening experiencethat lets you hear the power of
a value system for managingburnout, establishing boundaries
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Josh Bostick (00:49):
You know, it's really up to us, as patients and
humans, to own our health andbe armed with knowledge and
stand up for ourselves wheneverwe are put in a position like
this.
Josh Porthouse (01:02):
This next conversation is not medical
advice.
Consult your primary careprovider prior to any treatment
changes.
Today, on Transacting Value,who can you trust when a
misdiagnosis makes you thinkyou're crazy, or medical
professionals come and cause youto question the validity of
your own self-awareness?
We're talking with a podcasthost and founder of Rebel Health
(01:26):
Collective about finding theright doctor, asking critical
questions and navigating medicalcare to reinvigorate your sense
of self.
His name is Josh Bostick Guys,I'm Josh Porthouse, I'm your
host and from SDYT Media, thisis Transacting Value, josh.
What's up man?
How you doing?
Josh Bostick (01:46):
Doing well, doing well.
I got a full cup of coffee andanother Josh on the line, so I
can't complain.
How about you?
Josh Porthouse (01:53):
I just did the same thing.
As a matter of fact, just didthe same thing.
But, dude, yeah, I reallyappreciate it.
Man, I watched a couple of yourepisodes and conversations
earlier today on your channeland you've got something
interesting happening.
I think it's like you're notjust having conversations about
health and diagnoses, you'retalking resources and
perspectives, and stories anddepth.
(02:15):
Take a couple minutes here inthe beginning.
Let's do this.
Who are you For anybody who'sunfamiliar?
Where are you from?
What sort of things are shapingyour perspective and brought
you around to all these things?
Josh Bostick (02:28):
Sure, yeah, I think if you would have asked me
that three years ago, I wouldhave started off with my
profession and some of myhobbies as being who I am and
what I identify as.
But today I am a father and ahusband.
Those are the four mostimportant things in my life and
the last three years have reallyshaped that and really
(02:50):
transformed my outlook andreally what I'm all about.
I mean, I want to be a goodemployee, I want to keep my job,
I want to be a good neighbor,but my son and my wife are the
most important things in my lifeand they're my why, as to why
my values have changed and why Iguess really my perspective on
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myself have changed.
So if anyone asks me, that'swho I am.
Those are the two most importantthings to me.
But I'm out in Fort Worth,texas, so right, kind of in the
heart of North Texas.
I work for a governmentcontracting company, for the DOD
, and you know, really I'm anadvocate too.
That's probably my biggestidentity.
(03:33):
That made me want to start thepodcast and Rebel Health
Collective as a whole.
Josh Porthouse (03:38):
And what is Rebel Health Collective?
Just a catchy name and it sortof flows nice, or did it come
from somewhere?
Josh Bostick (03:46):
It came from my three years and the experience
that I've gone through.
I would say that going into thelast three years I was someone
that did the yearly annual bloodworkup, went to the ER or the
quick med ER places when I hadthe flu or something like that,
but I was probably the averageAmerican in their medical.
(04:10):
You know knowledge and influencein the system.
But Rebel Health Collectivecame from working outside the
norms.
It's stories and community andinformation that you don't hear
in the four walls of a doctor'soffice and there's many reasons
why you don't hear in the fourwalls of a doctor's office and
there's many reasons why youdon't hear that.
And to your point earlier,that's a lot of what I'm trying
(04:31):
to bring out and build acommunity around is advocates,
people who are truly goingthrough it and have stories to
tell, tips to give andexperiences to share and just
transferring that knowledge andcreating a place where people
can find others.
It may not be someone that'sgoing through the exact same
chronic illness, disease, mentalhealth issue, anything like
(04:55):
that.
It's just building a communityof someone whose people are
going through things and a safespace to bounce ideas off and a
safe space to bounce ideas off.
Josh Porthouse (05:07):
Okay, so you mentioned three years ago a
couple times.
What's so special about threeyears ago?
Josh Bostick (05:12):
So three years ago I went in and, as I mentioned,
did my normal annual bloodworkup.
Expecting things to come backis the same as I had before.
Maybe cholesterol is a littlehigh, nothing out of the
ordinary.
But I actually got a call froma nurse saying you need to go to
the ER right now.
Whatever you're doing, drop itand go to the ER.
My blood sugar was near 400 atthe time of the blood draw and
(05:37):
then my A1c was 12.7.
So almost 13.
And the average American, wherethey want it at, is between 5.4
and 5.6.
So definitely elevated.
Josh Porthouse (05:48):
Yeah, what does that indicate?
Josh Bostick (05:50):
That indicates well can potentially be type 2
diabetes, but in a lot ofinstances it's type 1 diabetes.
Josh Porthouse (05:58):
Well, okay, because insulin is not breaking
down sugars.
Josh Bostick (06:02):
Correct.
Yeah, so it can be the twowhere you're just extremely
insulin resistant and you canusually see that trend over time
.
Over several years, your bloodwork in A1C is going to start
trending upwards to a highernumber.
But from 2019 to 2020, my A1Cjust skyrocketed overnight, so
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definitely indicated that mypancreas wasn't producing
insulin through the beta cellsand had some autoimmune issues
going on.
Whoa.
Josh Porthouse (06:31):
Wow, and so that started this whole journey for
you individually, and that'salso where this picked up then
for Rebel Health Collective.
Josh Bostick (06:40):
Correct.
Yeah, so that's the first timethat my eyes were opened up to a
different side of the medicalsystem and really that stems
with that first night in the ER.
I was misdiagnosed right offthe bat because of my age yeah,
because of my age and my build.
They basically said it can't betype one, it's type two.
(07:00):
They gave me some metformin,which is a drug that helps lower
your blood sugar, and I hadasked do I need to get a glucose
meter, check my glucose oranything like that?
And the answer is basically no.
Just take this medication andyou'll be fine.
And that was the guidance I wasgiving.
Nothing more on diet, exercisethings I can do.
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Just take these pills andyou'll be okay.
Josh Porthouse (07:24):
Okay, now is that really a shock, though, I
mean, for everybody that goesinto the ER or the hospital or
to see their doctor.
Of all the people that they see, they got to play to the
average, I guess, to start for abaseline, because everybody's
so different.
You know what I mean.
Was it that big of a?
Not the diagnosis, that's ashock, but the process itself,
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the revelation.
Josh Bostick (07:47):
I don't think necessarily like someone going
into the ER with the numbersthat I had I mean that wasn't
out of the norm or anythingcrazy.
But I think the fact that itwas just a one size fit all,
whatever that doctor'sexperience was, that was what
was kind of cast over me.
There wasn't any individualtreatment to it.
(08:08):
It didn't say let's run someother tests.
I mean, there's blood work thatyou can do to say exactly that
it's type 1 diabetes.
And why didn't we potentiallyrun that?
When I was there andessentially I walked out of the
hospital and had thought aboutthe urgency that that nurse had
had and the treatment that I'dgotten from the ER and things
(08:30):
just didn't really line up.
So I typed in type one diabetesand Google brought up you know
a list of symptoms and I checkedevery single one of them and
those weren't talked about inthe ER.
We didn't walk through any ofthose.
It was just your blood sugar'shigh.
Here's some medication.
Josh Porthouse (08:48):
What does that do to your outlook?
I mean, that's like not theprognosis, I guess I'm sure that
was pretty debilitating for afew days at minimum, but like
the process itself it's.
You don't even know your bodyas well as somebody else who's
not in it.
You know what I mean?
(09:09):
That to me seems prettyeye-opening.
Josh Bostick (09:14):
It was, yeah, and I think that's what made me
start realizing that I've got toadvocate for myself and really,
if something doesn't make sense, speak up.
And I'm not trying to discreditdoctors by any mean.
I mean they do an extraordinaryjob, they have a ton on their
plate, they have an educationthat there's no way I could ever
(09:35):
complete.
So by no means trying to knockanything from doctors, but it's
really up to us, as patients andhumans, to own our health and
be armed with knowledge andstand up for ourselves whenever
we are put in a position likethis.
You know, my gut feelingsitting on that bed was I need
(09:56):
at least more knowledge thanjust take this medication.
You know, at a minimum, if itwould have been type 2 diabetes,
I would have liked to have likea more in-depth conversation
and I shouldn't have left untilI was fulfilled with that and
just from my prior medicalexperience that's.
You know, I took it for whatthe doctor said and was on my
way.
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Josh Bostick (10:52):
At a minimum.
If it would have been type 2diabetes, I would have liked to
have a more in-depthconversation and I shouldn't
have left until I was fulfilledwith that and, just from my
prior medical experience, I tookit for what the doctor said and
was on my way.
Josh Porthouse (11:09):
Well, you have every reason to trust the doctor
.
I think let's just say as abaseline here in the United
States, you have every reason totrust the doctor.
But then I think you'rebringing up a good point.
The ownership of informedconsent falls to you, not the
person presenting it, right,they're accountable for it,
(11:29):
obviously, to tell you what'sgoing on, and here's the end
user license agreement for yourtreatment or whatever.
But if you scroll to the bottomand hit OK, well, now it's on
you.
Josh Bostick (11:42):
Right.
Josh Porthouse (11:42):
Yeah, yeah, okay .
But then I also think about Imean, you brought up concerns,
you said yourself you brought upare we sure?
Do I need to do anything else?
Is there anything else I couldtry?
For you know, these types ofconsiderations, did you feel
heard?
I mean, how much do you say itbefore you're futile?
Josh Bostick (12:03):
I, I mean it goes back to what you just mentioned.
I brought up the concerns butfor whatever reason his past
experiences, other diagnosesthat he'd given patients he'd
seen.
He was confident with hisanswers and I asked the
questions, he gave me aconfident answer back.
I was like, okay, sure, becausehe is a doctor, you do trust
(12:24):
what.
Asked the questions, he gave mea confident answer back.
I was like, okay, sure, likeyou know, because he is a doctor
, you do trust what they'resaying and you know, I think
that is the way it should be.
We shouldn't go aroundquestioning every single thing a
doctor says by any means.
But you know, in that case hestood by what he was saying and
I believed him.
Josh Porthouse (12:39):
Yeah Well, there's nothing wrong with that.
We have a saying.
Most of my career has been inthe infantry in the Marine Corps
, and this may be Corps-wide,this may be DOD-wide, maybe out
to the contractors, I don't know.
But trust but verify is aphilosophy that floats around
and permeates this entiremilitary subculture.
This sounds like one of thoseopportunities where, as long as
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you have the awareness to verifyor know where to look or just
come up with a couple ofquestions, even to more
critically evaluate the accuracyof somebody else's assessment,
you might have been bettersooner or at least more in
control sooner.
Is that accurate?
Josh Bostick (13:19):
Yeah, totally.
And I mean I think that comesto the Googling.
When I was walking out of theparking lot.
I mean it was that comes to theGoogling when I was walking out
of the parking lot.
I mean it was a trust, butverify, I trust what you say.
But something in my gut didn'tseem right and all the symptoms
lined up.
So I was like you know, Ishould go see a specialist.
I need to go see anendocrinologist that sees
patients like me every singleday, is accustomed to the blood
(13:40):
work and tests that you can doto dig deeper into a diagnosis
and whatnot.
And that's when I made aspecialist appointment and
ultimately got the actual typeone diagnosis.
Josh Porthouse (13:52):
I've heard that before too.
Going to see your primary careor general practitioner is good
if you have something generic,but if you have something that
doesn't seem to be as ordinaryas a common cold or something to
that effect a broken bone,consider somebody that
specializes in it.
Josh Bostick (14:12):
Definitely yeah, and I mean with the ER.
My look on it now is when yougo to the ER, you have a limb
that's hanging off and theirgoal is to keep you alive.
They're not trying to be aspecialist for you for the next
several years, they're trying tomake sure that you walk out of
there and have a pulse.
So also something to considerwhen you're going into a
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doctor's office what is theirspecialty and what are you
trying to get out of it?
Josh Porthouse (14:38):
Well, that's important too.
Yeah, Education goes a long way.
Self-awareness obviously on onehand, but the practical
application on the other.
And I don't know where that'staught outside of specialized
medicinal schools, like nursingprograms or whatever.
To say well, for example, thisis the role of an emergency room
in any city planningconsideration or medical trauma
(15:03):
triage type process.
But yeah, you're exactly right,we have a similar philosophy
where if anybody gets injured,shot or whatever happens, the
first thing that has to happenis get them off the X that's the
expression that generallystands out with every branch
Well, and maybe even outside themilitary.
But the idea is, whatever theinjury is, do what you need to
(15:26):
in the most immediate sense.
If you can't get it done withinthe first couple seconds and it
doesn't need to be done withina couple seconds get them out of
the way, first out of the killbox or whatever's happening in
the kinetic environment, andthen troubleshoot.
And if for, for example, allsorts of training programs for
(15:47):
special forces and combat armsprofessionals in any branch to
stabilize people enough to thenget them to emergency care, from
combat trauma to emergency care, from emergency care to some
sort of stable well, relativelymore stable facility, and then
whatever recovery and physicaltherapy.
(16:07):
After that it's all a continuum,I guess is the right word.
Yeah, yeah, where is that?
I mean you're becoming somewhatof the resource guy.
Where's the place that we cansay, or is there a place that we
can say, okay, this place maybenot by name but in capacity
does these things, these placesdo these things.
(16:28):
Or is that just in conversationand we just have to talk to
each other?
Josh Bostick (16:33):
I think it's in conversation again just owning
your health.
I think there's so manyplatforms my podcast, a lot of
what you have going on with yourpodcast.
I mean it's real people.
You definitely have doctors andexperts and SMEs, but at the
same time, you have just random,real people who want to tell
their story and have things togive and, honestly, that's where
(16:56):
I have found the most helpfulinformation and the people who
have spent the most time to helpme is on some of those deep,
dark holes of the internet.
I mean, reddit has been my bestsource of diabetic information.
I've had people get on Zoomcalls, phone calls, facetimes,
and we've talked for an hour anda half two hours and they've
(17:17):
told me what's worked for them,tips and tricks and they always
caveat with this may not workfor you, but this is my
experience and it's someonewho's really going through it.
They're jabbing themselvesmultiple days, multiple times a
day, with insulin, they'repricking their fingers, they're
having pumps that aren't working, and those are the sources that
(17:39):
just have led me to control mydiabetes so much better.
And that's what my goal withRebel Health is is to have that
kind of a community and resourcefor people to reach out to.
Josh Porthouse (17:52):
Yeah, that is pretty interesting and I imagine
it's a fair bit fulfilling.
It is, yeah, just the role thatyou're able to fill, on one
hand, coming obviouslyfirst-hand experience coming
from what's wrong with me, whyis nothing working, what is
happening, and whatever amountof questions come with that.
(18:14):
To then, oh, finally now I'vegot some respite.
To then, nope, never mind, thatwas wrong, I'm back where I
started.
Nope, nevermind, that was wrong, I'm back where I started.
And then to get slingshot intothe foreground of this is
totally not what I was expecting, or whatever research you have
to do, I assume, with nothingbut a pamphlet or a trifold
something, and then your ownresearch skills, right, so where
(18:35):
did you even start?
How do you manage all thosethings mentally, let alone
digitally?
Josh Bostick (18:40):
So when I did get the type one diagnosis, there
are resources and trainings thatthey put you through but my
blood sugar was still going allover the place.
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It was going super high.
And then I was going super lowto the point where I was like
kind of getting dizzy and almostpassing out throughout the day
and I had a breaking point andalways gets to me.
But my wife was out on worktravel, and so my son had just
been born he was probably fourmonths old at the time and we'd
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had dinner.
I'd done too much insulin forthe meal that I had and my
numbers started just kind ofplummeting.
They're going straight down.
I could feel the dizziness andthe shaking coming on and I just
knew like I've got to put myson somewhere, Like I'm not safe
to hold him, I can't take careof him.
I've got to put him somewheresafe.
And you know, get over this,this low.
(19:48):
And so I ended up putting himin his crib, just sitting
backwards to his crib, listeningto him, just crying, you know,
as an infant does, and justsitting there, feeling
completely helpless, not able tocare for my son.
Helpless, not able to care formy son, and at that point, I was
just like this can't happen,this isn't who I want to be,
(20:13):
this isn't the dad I want to be,and I started flashing through
like basketball practice,baseball practices, things like
that, and just thought thatthere has to be another way.
Whatever I'm doing is notworking and I'm trying to do
what's been told.
And that's when I reallystarted looking into other
groups you know, support groups,people's experiences, podcasts
and things like that to starttaking practical steps into
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other people who are fightingthis disease and this lifestyle.
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Josh Bostick (21:06):
And that's when I really started looking into
other groups you know, supportgroups, people's experiences,
podcasts and things like that tostart taking practical steps
into other people who arefighting this disease and this
lifestyle.
Josh Porthouse (21:41):
Yeah, that is difficult for sure.
I remember not in the exactcircumstance youing, but
initially hosting beforelistening, and it became my
therapy, and so I startedtalking to people and working
through it, because what Istarted to realize was the more
I was trying to communicate withmy son.
We were long distance and hewas older than yours, but we
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started to communicate moreoften.
But all I could think about waswork.
I couldn't detach, I couldn'tcommunicate effectively and the
only thing I kept coming back towas is this the kind of person
that I want to be when he's oldenough to remember these
conversations?
Similar sort of circumstancewhich you were describing to you
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, and it's a powerful motivator.
You know they say it is.
Which you were describing toyou, and it's a powerful
motivator.
You know they say it is.
They say your big why generallyrevolves around your big who,
and I think that exactlyexemplifies it.
Man, and to have that kind ofclosure, I think to know that
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you're not going crazy in theprocess, that you're actually
making some headway, counts fora lot.
But I think when you canattribute it and tie it to, I
feel better.
But I actually know it's goingto make our family a more
stronger unit and better for himas he's growing up and for your
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wife, and just to take not onlythat kind of ownership, but be
able to take that kind ofownership and then do something
with it, do something about it.
What a cool feeling that musthave been.
Josh Bostick (23:17):
It was and, as you mentioned, you know, when I
started seeing that my bloodsugar was leveling out, my
numbers were getting better, myA1C was going down, I realized
that I was starting to do somany more things that I wasn't
able to do before.
I was getting on the ground.
I was being much moreinteractive with him.
I kind of went from this likecouch potato, kind of just not
(23:40):
excited about anything, to beingreally motivated and just
wanting to get back to normal,and I hadn't had that really
before that rock bottom.
Josh Porthouse (23:51):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that's cool too, and I'mnot even familiar with all of
the symptoms.
As it applies to diabetes, isthis a primary topic on your
show, or what you want yourprimary topic to be?
Josh Bostick (24:02):
I mean, it definitely comes up a good bit
just because it is somethingthat I live with every day.
But no it's not type 1, type 2diabetes as a whole focused.
I mean we've had differentguests with different illnesses
on.
We've got a bunch of peoplelined up with lupus, different
cancers, different rare diseases.
(24:22):
So I mean it's kind of all over.
But it's trying to spreadinformation for anyone who might
be interested in lupus orsomething like that, just a
resource to hear someone's truestory, not so much a science-y
white paper reading, but a reallife experience.
Josh Porthouse (24:42):
Yeah, yeah.
Now what is this doing for yourinsight into, maybe, medical
facilities or medical training?
I mean, is this diminishing it,enhancing it, helping it,
hurting it?
What is that hearing all thesestories and all these
experiences?
What does that do for you?
Josh Bostick (25:00):
A little bit of everything.
There's a lot of stories thatare similar to mine.
Okay, there's a lot of storiesthat are similar to mine
Misdiagnoses, people goingseveral years without being able
to get a diagnosis but then,you know, I've also talked to
some amazing doctors who are upto the latest and greatest
trainings and techniques thatare coming out, and you know,
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there's doctors who areincorporating things that push
what they're being taught inmedical school.
So it's brought hope in thatsense that there are a lot of
good doctors out there who aretrying to do new techniques,
advance their skills and thingslike that.
But it's also brought to lighta lot of people who have
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struggled over the years due tothe medical system as well, just
from not having the rightresources, the right support or
knowing where to go or how toadvocate for themselves.
We have a lot of people rightnow who go into a doctor's
office and are just given pillsthat mask the symptoms.
And by no means am I knockingWestern medicine, because
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there's a lot of greatprescriptions and things out
there that I think are 100%necessary.
Whenever you go to the doctor,when's the last time they ask
about your sleep, your diet,your lifestyle, your activities,
your hobbies, I mean those areimportant things that we don't
think about as medicine anymore,and that's one of the big
(26:23):
things that I'm trying to pushis the functional side of
medicine and health, wheregetting out in the sunlight,
going for walks with yoursignificant other, spouses,
family, all that kind of stuffis things that we don't talk
(26:46):
about in the doctor's office,and those four walls that I
really think are lacking in whatare leading to a lot of the
problems that we're having.
Josh Porthouse (26:55):
Is that a luxury though?
Do you think being able to havethose conversations just
because it is a business they'retrying to cycle bodies through
and help as many people as theycan Is that a luxury cycle?
Josh Bostick (27:05):
bodies through and help as many people as they can
.
Is it a luxury?
I think it's looked at as one,but it shouldn't be.
I think it should be the rootof where things are happening.
I mean, when you go in withsymptoms, you get a prescription
to take care of those symptoms.
But what if those symptoms arecoming from a food allergy but
you never talk about your diet?
You're just going to be takinga prescription that could easily
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be fixed by not eating acertain food group seafood,
gluten, things like that.
I mean, with my diet I have cutout gluten and it's cleared up
so many different things andit's made my blood sugar so much
more stable.
So weird things like that.
And because I talked tosomebody on Reddit that said you
should do the AIP diet.
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It's like an exclusionary dietwhere you cut out all the high
trigger foods, you slowlyintroduce them back in and, as
you see symptoms come back, youknow that that could be a
potential trigger.
Josh Porthouse (27:57):
I've heard of something similar like that, but
for I think it was magnesium orsomething, something in seafood
.
I had a friend where she didsomething similar.
She just scaled everything backand then slowly introduced it
back in.
Yeah, and obviously, you know,in not every case is that
effective or obviously medicaladvice for everyone, but yeah,
(28:20):
it's definitely an option, sure,just as much as anything else
could be.
Josh Bostick (28:23):
Yeah, I mean.
I just I think it's a resourcethat we could be using in the
doctor's office that doesn'tcost anything.
You know, some of theprescriptions that people are on
are really, really expensiveand why not try some?
You know natural things that wecan be incorporating into our
lifestyle to potentially bringback some of the symptoms, or
you know causes that we'reseeing bring back some of the
(28:45):
symptoms or causes that we'reseeing, Sure, but then medicine
or your diagnosis got thisstarted.
Josh Porthouse (28:51):
I mean, that was the catalyst.
Is this a new interest for youthough Healthcare wellness or
was this always a hobby of yoursand sort of an outlet or a
fascination?
Josh Bostick (29:03):
I would have never in a million years imagined
that I had a podcast talkingabout healthcare transformation
and like health advocacy Never,ever in a million years.
And you know, really mydiagnosis initially didn't kick
this off either.
I just thought, you know, I'lldo insulin, I'll follow what
they're saying.
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And then, and it wasn't working,and it wasn't until I met some
of the people on the internetand different forums that really
took so much time out of theirday just for no reason other
than to help a random stranger,that I started to understand how
little information there is inthe medical system and some of
those you know education systemsthat you go through just
(29:45):
because there's so many peoplegoing through it.
You know they do have such atime crunch and doctors can't
spend two hours with you.
They just can't as much as theyprobably want to.
Like you said, there's abusiness and a lot of them these
days don't own the practice.
So you know, even if they trulywant to which I think most, 99%
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of them do they just can't.
And so, meeting all thesepeople and advocates, I just I
got so much out of it and theygave my life back in such a way
that I didn't think was going tobe possible, that I want to try
and do my part and continuethat on.
Josh Porthouse (30:21):
I think that's an important aspect to know too.
I mean, on one hand, as far asdoctors and nurses go right
first, do no harm.
So I doubt that's an importantaspect to know too.
I mean, on one hand, as far asdoctors and nurses go right
first, do no harm.
So I doubt it's intentionallyneglecting or willful omission.
But I think there is a certainnecessity as we get older, just
as people, as we grow throughlife, to be able to make our own
decisions, not take everythingat face value.
To be able to make our owndecisions, not take everything
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at face value.
And so it's important, yeah, Iagree, to have different options
and sometimes, like you justbrought up, crowdsourcing
opinion doesn't hurt anything,in fact.
Josh Bostick (30:59):
I think oftentimes it can be helpful, depending on
what it is you're soliciting, Isuppose.
Yeah, I mean you're definitelygoing at it on your own risk
when you do crowdsourcing, thatthe doctors are going to be
providing safe protocol that isproven.
You know that the FDA approvesand and things like that.
So when you do crowdsourcing oryou know, do something by
talking to someone through aforum or group, I mean you're
taking that risk upon yourselfand that's definitely something
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that you need to be aware of.
You know, think through theadvice that people are giving
you.
But, for instance, my endo andI were talking at my last
appointment and we go through mycharts and see why my numbers
are going up and down, and hebrought up one occasion and he
goes what happens here?
Your numbers were so good, Isaid I gave a presentation.
Whenever I get stressed out mynumbers, the cortisol your body
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releases, it generates glucoseand so my numbers just skyrocket
and no amount of insulin willbring it down until that
stressor is over.
I mean I was looking at mywatch before coming on with you
and my numbers were creeping upand he had no idea that a
stressful situation like thatcould increase your blood sugar
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numbers.
So it's things like that.
But if you ask most diabetics,they know for a fact that an
event like that will raise yournumbers.
So it's things like that.
But if you ask most diabetics,they know for a fact that an
event like that will raise yournumbers.
Josh Porthouse (32:10):
Interesting.
Josh Bostick (32:12):
So it's just a matter of what they're taught in
school and then people who areliving with it every single day.
Josh Porthouse (32:18):
Sure.
Well, yeah, and I guess that'swhy they call it an educated,
guess.
Josh Bostick (32:22):
Yeah.
Josh Porthouse (32:23):
Right, Definitely Okay.
Well, so then let's talk aboutyou for a second, because you
said just a couple of minutesago not in a million years, but
I have thought I'd be doing apodcast like this about all of
these different types ofhealthcare and wellness
considerations.
Why not?
What was the polar opposite orwhat was the difference?
Who were you back then?
Josh Bostick (32:44):
I was the person who was relatively know, was
relatively healthy, could domountain bike, could go run.
You know, I did my annualhealthcare checkup and
everything usually checked outfine.
I just I had no reason to knowthe other side of what people
can deal with.
And you know, in the strugglesthat come with chronic illness
and mental health and justcancer and some of that stuff, I
(33:08):
had never been privy to thatworld.
Josh Porthouse (33:12):
I get it now, okay.
Yeah, I thought it was like anactual aversion to having a show
about health and wellness.
Josh Bostick (33:19):
You just meant because it wasn't a
consideration Wasn't a blimp onthe radar by any means.
Josh Porthouse (33:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah , okay, okay, I see wasn't a
blimp on the radar by any means.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, Isee.
Well, now then, while we aretalking about you, this is a
pretty good time for thissegment of the show called
developing character.
D d d, developing character,and it's two questions.
Uh, for everybody who's new tothe show, the idea behind this
is because my working theory isthat values are a shortcut to
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identity and relationships andconversation and all of the
self-awareness that comes withthose things.
To the exact point and reasonyou're bringing up.
Sometimes it will literallysave your life, and so I'm
curious Now you're in a positionwhere you have this kind of
authority and resourcefulnessand accountability to your
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audience, and so my questionabout your values is twofold.
One of them is how all of thisgot started.
So what were some of the valuesthat you were raised around or
that you remember being broughtup around?
Josh Bostick (34:22):
My dad had always constantly driven into us.
Do the right thing when noone's looking, and that's
picking up the piece of trashthat you walk by and there's a
trash can right there.
It's not throwing something outthe window of your car, it's
helping someone when they'redown, and not doing it for the
credit or applause but becauseit's truly the right thing, and
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I think that's really driven.
We just start this healthtransformation community is.
You know, I'm not doing it tomake money.
I probably never will makemoney off this and that's not
the goal.
It's to spread the informationand you know, if I could do it
faceless and not put my face onhere, I'd prefer to do it that
way.
That'd be the goal.
(35:05):
But it's just to help others,without any credit or monetary
reason behind it, other thanpeople did it for me when I was
down and turned my life around.
So it's just the opportunity todo that to them.
Josh Porthouse (35:22):
Sweet.
Yeah, well, I'm glad it carriedthrough because, like I told
you before we started recording,I think a lot of the material
you're putting out and workingto put together to be able to
showcase is 100% worthwhile, andyou never know what you're
going to come across that'sgoing to help somebody else, or
vice versa, where you're goingto come across information that
might help you.
So then now, though, aftertalking to everybody in your
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life personally, on your showeverywhere, what about now?
I mean, have any of your valueschanged?
Have you identified more ofthem that put others before
myself?
You know, definitely the thepeople pleasing mentality.
Josh Bostick (36:12):
Um, but through this experience and working with
my wife, I've really realizedthat you know, there's times
where I have to put myself first.
You know when I've had a reallylong day with her or not with
her.
Would I've had a really longday with her or not with her?
I've had a really long day.
I need to communicate with herand say like, hey, I'm at like
40%.
I need you to pick up the other60% with our son tonight and
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telling her that I can't do itall.
I'm having a bad day and takingthe time for me to be able to
recharge and get back to where Ineed to be, to help her around
the house and do my job and bethere for our son.
And you know a lot of the thingsthat we've come through as well
, as our circle has gottensmaller.
You know we don't go out and wesay no a lot more, and I think
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that's made a big difference aswell, as before we felt like we
owed an obligation to go out tosomeone's event just because we
got invited.
But nowadays, you know, we kindof focus on our family and us
more, where, if we've had a longweek and we need a week just to
hang out at the house, that'sokay, you can say no.
And so I think, throughfighting through this disease
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and figuring out this lifestyle,that's really led both of us to
step back from the peoplepleasing and advocate for
ourselves and our needs andputting our family first.
Josh Porthouse (37:31):
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Josh Bostick (38:06):
Fighting through this disease and figuring out
this lifestyle that's really ledboth of us to step back from
the people-pleasing and advocatefor ourselves and our needs and
putting our family first.
Josh Porthouse (38:18):
Yeah, and self-advocacy not for nothing is
usually pretty low on people'sradar.
Not for nothing is usuallypretty low on people's radar.
It's uh, we have we have thesame sort of I guess similar
concept in in the Marine Corps,right, where, uh, there's no
individuals.
So if you're trying to dowhatever, take care of yourself
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first.
What makes you so special?
Okay, you forget the other guy?
Huh, all these types ofcomments that are prejudicial to
good order and discipline.
You try to take that with you,maybe inadvertently, after your
career is over and move past it,and that aspect of your
(39:05):
identity is tough to reconcilewith.
In your case, you didn't have achoice but to learn to take
care of yourself first until youfound a better balance, and I
think that's tricky to come togrips with for a lot of people.
How did you start to workthrough that?
Obviously aside from a healthneed, but making peace with that
, accepting, okay, I can comefirst sometimes peace with that,
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accepting okay, I can comefirst.
Josh Bostick (39:29):
Sometimes it was having so many bad days, you
know, they just would stack upand it was, you know, day after
day after day, of trying to doevents or go places and do
things that were just wearing meout and then ultimately, you
know, wearing my wife outbecause we get home and I would
just be useless, and then she'dbe having to pick up the slack,
take care of the dogs, take careof our son, clean up around the
(39:50):
house, and it was taking a tollon her as well, just because I
wasn't able to be there assupport.
Josh Porthouse (39:57):
So then you guys , what figured it out on your
own, just by chance.
Josh Bostick (40:03):
Yeah, I mean it was communication between the
two of us just saying this isn'tworking.
Why are we in this state?
And it was definitely before Ifigured out how to manage my
blood sugar and diabetes better.
But it was.
Why are we in this state?
And it was because we wererunning ourselves ragged, trying
to go to grandparents' housesso that they could see our sign.
(40:24):
Going to friends' birthdays,going to weddings, going to work
events, happy hours, all thosekinds of things other than just
kind of taking it easy and beingour little family unit at times
.
Josh Porthouse (40:35):
Well, that may not be easy either at times.
Josh Bostick (40:40):
But no and that's what I mentioned where our
circle's kind of gotten smallerFor the people that didn't
really put an effort in to bearound for us, or you know, when
we were kind of hermiting toour house they didn't make an
effort to come over and hang out.
They just kind of eventuallyfaded off.
You know, it wasn't like a hardcutout, but the circle just
kind of got smaller.
Josh Porthouse (41:01):
That's okay too.
Yeah, that's okay too.
Yeah, no-transcript, or,professionally, anybody else, in
any career.
Nobody's going to look out foryour endeavors to the same
extent that you will.
(41:21):
You've got supporters, you'vegot cheerleaders, grandparents
right, but it's different.
It's different and I think, iffor no other reason than that,
having some degree of thatinformed consent or education or
understanding how to research alittle bit and knowing where
some resources are to findanswers or to find options, I
(41:41):
think that's why it makes allthe difference, because in the
end, it is just you advocatingfor you, because nobody else
knows you like you do.
Yeah, absolutely so.
Okay, for the sake of time, Ireally only have two more
questions for you, and this onemight be a little bit deeper
than we've dug so far.
(42:01):
But I'm curious because, withthe amount of initial
misdiagnoses, confusion that youhad around your own symptoms,
let alone what the medical staffhad around your symptoms, what
to do about that, how to adjustyour family, how to have these
conversations with people hey,watch out for these things.
Help me out if you notice this.
Whatever All of these thingsthat you went through and worked
(42:23):
through, you have no choice butto make yourself heard or you
die.
So that's a pretty lofty reason,I think, a pretty high bar to
make sure your point gets acrossclearly.
But in the events when itdoesn't like we said, the
diagnosis, diagnosis, forexample and you start to
question am I the one who'scrazy here?
(42:43):
Like I'm, I'm feeling thesethings.
Can somebody at least give me alittle validation, even if it's
just a polite thought,something?
What does that do to your worth, all of these things?
Now?
Has it changed how you viewyour own self-worth now?
Josh Bostick (42:58):
yeah, I think it does, and I mean that kind of
goes back to not being so muchof the people pleasing and
understanding that you know ifit wasn't the diabetes, and for
those that aren't going throughsome kind of like a medical
illness, you know diagnosis,things like that.
I think we're all going toeventually hit that rock bottom.
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It's going to be your backupagainst the crib, listening to
your child cry, in whateversituation you want to put it in.
If you're devoting 90 hours toyour job, eventually you're
going to hit a point where it'snot worth it and you're going to
look back and say I wasted allthese years with my family.
I didn't go to my kids' games,I wasn't there for my dad when
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he was in the hospital, thingslike that.
I just I think we're all goingto hit a point eventually and
it's that turning point andthat's when you really
understand your worth and yourwhy.
To what you mentioned earlier,I mean, from that point on,
listening to my son cry, I knewfrom then on whatever it took
for him and my wife to be happyand safe.
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That's, that was my goal.
Josh Porthouse (44:08):
Pretty wild.
That was the wake up call,though, you know.
Josh Bostick (44:12):
Yeah, yeah, and it can be anything for anyone.
It doesn't have to be somethingcrazy or tragic.
But I think once you hit thatpoint and you're kind of like
wow, this isn't who I thought Iwas going to be, how life was
going to go where I picturedmyself being, listen to it and
understand why you are there andwhat's making you come to that
(44:34):
realization, I think that'swhere you find your worth and
can turn it around.
Josh Porthouse (44:39):
I think that's where you find your worth and
can turn it around.
Yeah, absolutely.
And also, from the other hand,of that perspective, if it
weren't for you getting yourdiagnosis, who's to say that you
ever would have had thatrealization to prioritize
differently and focus more onyour family or not take things
as granted as quickly orwhatever.
I mean sometimes thosegrounding experiences, let me
(45:01):
say this sometimes those realityexperiences ground you, but for
the better, yeah.
Josh Bostick (45:08):
Totally and to your point.
If it wasn't the diabetes, whoknows, it could have been 10
years from now and it could havebeen something else getting
fired from a job that I devotedmy life to, who knows when or
what it could be, but I'm sureit would have happened
eventually, and I'm glad it didhappen when it did, so that I
could start now and focus onwhat really matters to me.
Josh Porthouse (45:31):
Yeah, yeah, sure , young enough to try to spring
back and do something.
Yeah, that's huge too Cool man.
So for anybody that wants tofind out more, watch your
conversations, listen to yourpodcast, rebel Health Collective
.
Where do we go, man?
How do we actually find theseresources you're providing?
Josh Bostick (45:51):
Sure, so it's on all of them.
The major streaming podcastplatforms on YouTube got an
Instagram, got a Facebook page,all of that.
So you should be able to justsearch Rebel Health Collective
wherever you get yourinformation from, and hopefully
we pop up there Sweet.
Josh Porthouse (46:10):
Yeah, cool, okay .
So for anybody who's new to ourshow, you can go to
transactingvaluepodcastcom andif you're streaming the
conversation there or any otherplatform you're playing this
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Click see more.
Or click show more under theplayer for the conversation and
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You'll also see links to RebelHealth Collective and Josh's
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Facebook and Instagram for theshow as well, so you guys can
track down the resources there.
And since you're already herelistening to him on the show
anyways, you may as well gothere and go straight to his and
check it out after.
So, super cool, man, Iappreciate your perspective and
next time when you come back onthe show, which is a formal
invitation, let's make it alittle bit more deliberate
instead of the overview, becausethere's a lot of questions I've
(46:56):
got for you and not as muchtime right now to do it, but I
really appreciate your timesaying that and being able to
step away from your evening andjust talk for a little bit,
albeit a little bit differently,maybe than what you're used to
on your show, but I doappreciate it.
So thanks for your time.
Josh Bostick (47:12):
No, I really appreciate you having me and,
again, I really appreciate theplatform that you're building
and have put out already.
So I think you have reallyimportant conversations on here
and from the 10 or so episodesI've listened to, I've
definitely taken away some goodthings.
So appreciate everything thatyou're doing.
Josh Porthouse (47:29):
Well, thanks for listening to all 10.
That's huge too, man.
Feedback is such an interestingthing to try to come by and
then understand what to do withit.
So absolutely any insight, anyinput you've got, I really
appreciate it, let alone thesupport.
And obviously for anybody elselistening to the conversation
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