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Josh Porthouse (00:00):
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Welcome to Transacting Value,where we talk about practical
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This is why values still holdvalue.
This is Transacting Value.
Sallyann Martinez (00:49):
Find your gratitude for today, and it
doesn't have to be likecatastrophic.
It could just be oh my gosh, Ifound my favorite pencil right.
Or oh, this apple tastes sogood.
And when you can bring thesepositive things into your mind,
they stick.
Josh Porthouse (01:06):
Today on Transacting Value.
Everybody has a guardian angelthat looks after them, that
takes care of them, thatsometimes they assume they can
talk to and figure out how tobuild any degree of identity,
mitigate any amount of stress oranxiety or manage chaos.
But can you actuallycommunicate with guardian angels
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?
Spiritual advisor andclairvoyant who helps people
heal without medication?
She's a holistic healer namedSally Ann Martinez and we're
talking to her today on the show.
I'm Josh Porthouse, I'm yourhost and from SDYT Media.
This is Transacting Value.
Sally Ann, how you doing?
Sallyann Martinez (01:49):
Hey, hey, hey , better and better.
How are you?
Josh Porthouse (01:52):
I'm doing well.
Thank you, I appreciate yourpersonality.
You seem really happy.
Is this normal, or is this acup of coffee in the evening?
What's your?
Sallyann Martinez (02:03):
Yeah, no, yeah, this is normal.
This is normal, me Matter offact.
I was just talking to somefriends and they were talking
about you know, we were talkingabout alcohol.
We're old, we talk aboutalcohol and they just laugh
because they're like, really,you don't drink and I'm like, no
, not really, and that's what Isay.
(02:23):
Can you imagine this, like onalcohol or like we don't need?
Josh Porthouse (02:29):
that.
Sallyann Martinez (02:29):
No, oh you, you don't really drink coffee
either you know, okay, it's moreof the ritual, like I love the
coffee or tea and sitting andcommunicating with people.
So I will say I'm not addictedto coffee.
You know I have some.
You know I'll have a cup ofcoffee, maybe in the morning or
(02:50):
some tea, but yeah, no, notreally.
It also gets in the way of thework, so I don't drink a lot of
caffeine.
Josh Porthouse (02:59):
You do these advising sessions full-time.
Sallyann Martinez (03:04):
Yes, yes, Well, private sessions,
workshops.
I'm a guest speaker, so I'll goout to events.
But yeah, I retired from thecorporate world about eight
years ago and this is what I dofull-time now.
Josh Porthouse (03:21):
So let's start there, then, because I have to
believe it takes a prettyspecial perspective to do what
you're doing.
I mean just to manage acommission-oriented job, an
entrepreneur in a practicalsense, on top of however many
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other I don't know voices orinfluences you're sorting
through on a daily basis.
So let's start here for asecond In the next couple
minutes.
Who are you?
Where are you from?
Right, let's get some resonance.
But what sort of things areshaping your perspective on life
as it applies to these things?
Sallyann Martinez (03:59):
I have been gifted this perspective.
I've been using it for over 40years.
When I was in my 20s, Iactually had like this moment.
I was in college, right Hangingout with my friends, and really
looked across the room and feltanother person's I'm going to
(04:21):
call it pain, right, becausepain comes in different ways and
I kind of like freaked out.
I didn't know what washappening and you know I tell
the story.
I ran home to my dorm roombecause it was before cell
phones, and called my mother andI was like okay, I know,
because you know I'm 19 yearsold, I know all I'm, I know that
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I'm having a nervous breakdown.
You need to get up here andpick me up from college.
And I don't know what'shappening.
Blah, blah, blah, blah and uh,this was serious uh, serious,
like I hate to say serious as aheart attack.
But yes, I did not understandwhat was happening to me and I I
knew authentically I'm a happyperson.
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You said it.
That's exactly who I am.
I'm happy, I see the good partof life.
But you know, I mean stuffhappens, life happens, but it's
how I look at things.
I'm just really upbeat and Ilooked across the room and there
was a man who was standing in avery strange position, like a
position I wouldn't stand in.
I think his arm was up, I don'treally remember.
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But I remember how I felt and itwas sad and despondent and
things that I knew I didn't feeland so that's what kind of like
, you know, kind of wigged meout.
It was a surprise to what Iknew I was feeling, but that I
also knew that somehow it didn'tbelong to me.
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But I didn't understand that atthe time.
And you know, my mom, take achill pill, calm down, tell me
what's going on.
We're New Yorkers, right?
So we're Brooklyn New Yorkers,italian Brooklyn, new Yorkers.
So we kind of get to the pointand my mother's like all right,
what's the deal?
So I told her what I wasfeeling, told her that little
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story and she was like you'refine, I'm like what?
So she said you're just psychic.
And honestly, josh, I didn'tknow that word.
I wasn't brought up with thatword.
I didn't understand that it wasdifferent.
Yes, my grandmother would say Ihad a dream about you and this
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is going to happen, and don't dothat.
And you know, you're 18 yearsold, you go out, it happened.
You did what grandma told younot to do.
You go home or you see heragain, she smacks you on the top
of the head, says don't do itagain.
And you know, three days latershe tells you something else and
then it happens.
I didn't know that other peopledidn't have that life right.
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You only know what you know.
And at 20 years old, my mother,telling me I'm psychic, didn't
under.
I didn't understand that word.
Um, and you know now, reallyI'm an empath.
I started as an empath.
I'm still an empath, my kidsare empaths.
Um, it's become a little moremainstream, like we've kind of
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caught up.
And then I got right intotraining.
Like literally within a monthof this happened.
I went into this amazingtraining program that you know
the universe is always workingin your favor.
So it kind of showed up and Iwalked through that door and
haven't looked back sincebecause everything really
resonated with me and it's justlike how I live my life.
Josh Porthouse (07:39):
So this kind of magnetism, natural attraction, I
guess, to these kinds of things.
I mean, these are like folkstories, you know, these are
like superstitions, this sort ofuh fringe science, I guess.
In some circles, empathy is not, though, right.
(08:00):
So where's why is the line,seems, so blurry between a
practical application of empathy, for example, and a practical
application of then acting onsome sort of intuition or this
sort of empath qualifier?
You're?
Sallyann Martinez (08:16):
describing.
Put electrodes on my head andyou tested my brainwave patterns
.
I can change my brainwavepatterns because my brainwave
patterns is what the science ofit is that I changed my
brainwave patterns so I can talkto spirit, so I can talk to
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your guardian angels, and I can,for me, right, different
clairvoyants have differentgifts.
See it, feel it, smell it, hearit.
Right, my guardian angels, talkto me.
Your guardian angels, if yougive me permission, talk to me,
show me pictures.
I describe what I see, and it'sa scientific thing.
(08:58):
But the world is afraid of whatthey don't know.
Right, old wives, old wives,tales on healing.
Right, put honey on a wound soit doesn't get infected.
No one would ever do that thesedays, but you can do that and
it won't get infected.
Look, I'm not a medical doctor.
Don't take this as medicaladvice, right?
(09:18):
But there are lots of thingsthat we know work.
But because, for some reason,the world has turned into this,
give me a pill and make a betterworld.
Um, because that's what Ibelieve in.
I believe in this pill insteadof believing in putting chopped
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onions on the bottom of yourfeet to bring down a fever.
Right, it's okay.
It's just how the world works,but scientifically, I am
changing my brainwave patternsand we do it.
All of us do it as humans.
I've just learned how to do iton command.
Cool, so is that?
Josh Porthouse (09:58):
more what you're , I guess, is that more what
you're, I guess, describing?
When I'm saying, for example,empathy is not sympathy, right,
I understand how you're feelingbecause I've been there, not
because I've seen or heard itsecondhand, I think is the
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delineation there.
So when I'm saying empathy, isthis what you're describing?
But to me it's by chance, toyou it's a conscious sort of
effort.
Sallyann Martinez (10:30):
Have you ever had a moment when you didn't
want to get on a plane or youdidn't want to go into a room,
or you knew you should callsomeone, okay, okay.
So I call those angel whispersthat's what I believe like your
guardian angels are telling youdon't get up or be present and
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be conscious of what's happeningaround you.
So I'm not sure if I'd callthat empathy, but I'd call it
more awareness, more about beingpresent For me.
Yeah, I see my guardian angel.
He says do that.
And I go, okay, and it alwaysworks out right.
Like I have evolved in my lifeto be more, I'm going to say
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faithful, right, and notreligious faithful, but faithful
in source and universe anduniverse and things that I just
know, because every single day,every single day, I get proof
and so that's part of it.
Maybe I'm more empathetic tomyself, right, because that's
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part of it.
You may get that angel message.
You may get part of it.
You may get that angel messageyou may get don't go to the
right, don't go into that doorright now, and you go no, no,
I'm being ridiculous, that'scrazy.
And you go in and something notgreat happens, right.
That's just not having faith inyourself, not believing in what
you hear or what you feel andthat's part of the world too,
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that a lot of the world doesthat.
But we have free choice, wehave free will, so we get to
decide.
Josh Porthouse (12:12):
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Sallyann Martinez (13:02):
Where values start in the home.
That's just not having faith inyourself, not believing in what
you hear or what you feel, andthat's part of the world too,
that a lot of the world doesthat.
But we have free choice, wehave free will, so we get to
decide.
Josh Porthouse (13:18):
Okay.
So let me ask you that then,Not having faith in you, not
trusting in yourself?
Right, the intuition, theinstinct, the whatever we want
to call it right?
You are identifying all ofthese other inputs.
You're identifying all of theseother experiences that it
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sounds like necessarily aren'teven all yours, let alone
understand where they came from.
And so how does that help youtrust you?
And what you're hearing may noteven apply to you.
Sallyann Martinez (13:53):
So I'm very purposeful.
Have you ever heard of the LongIsland Medium, teresa Caputo?
There are other I'm going tocall them psychics I don't
prefer that word, but there'sother psychics or people that
will walk by and they've done itto me all the time.
They'll be like I need to talkto you.
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I'm like, okay, what's up?
Right, when I first got thegift, and actually actually I'll
tell you the reason why Ichanged the gift.
Right, cause I can.
I chose the life I have.
I was an advertising girl in NewYork city, um, and you can
manage the noise in New Yorkcity, right, the spiritual noise
(14:36):
.
And I used to travel all thetime and I remember I was
looking back, flying in, justgot into JFK and I'm walking
home, I'm walking to baggageclaim, I'm going to leave, and I
can hear it.
I hear it in airports, I hearit in hospitals, I hear it in
big spaces, but I hear he knowswe're here.
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I can hear.
So imagine that that there's5,000 people around you, that
you can hear them saying sheknows we're here.
Right, because I can feelenergy anywhere I go and one
spirit kept coming next to meand I remember I stopped in the
middle right, we're all 300people are getting off the plane
(15:19):
.
Well, I'm two gates away fromgetting off the plane, there's
hordes of people.
And I remember I stopped and Ijust looked at him and I said
what, what do you want?
And he said second gate.
Second gate, right-hand side.
Now, in the olden days, jfk,they actually had gates in
airports.
It wasn't one big room, youactually.
You know, it was like aU-shaped room and that was your
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gate.
Second gate he goes yellow book, yellow sweater, yellow book,
yellow sweater.
I'm like fine, yellow book,yellow sweater.
I go to the second gate andthere is a woman in a yellow
sweater reading a book with ayellow cover.
I said okay.
I walked up to her, I said Iknow this is weird, but did your
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uncle Fred just die like withintwo months ago?
And she looked at me, said yeah.
I said okay, he wants you toknow.
Whatever the message is, Idon't remember, it's not for me
to know and I said does thatmake sense to you?
She said yeah.
I said okay, thank you verymuch, and I took off.
Right, that was my moment, josh, when I said I am not serving
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the dead, I am serving theliving.
Now, that was my moment when Isaid what if she was on her way
to a business meeting?
I just messed with her head.
You know all those things thatfeel like responsibility,
because what I do is a hugeresponsibility.
And so I said I'm not doingthat anymore.
So I people have to come to meand say, sally Ann, I want you
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to work with me, I want you tohelp me figure out where I'm
going with life, if I'm on theright path.
You know what's my healthsituation.
So people come to me and then Iwill work with them.
Um, because I feel like that'swhat I'm supposed to do, is help
people have their best life.
Because, look, your guardianangels are here not to mess with
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you.
Your guardian angels are hereto live through that life.
And so with that, I turn it offand I turn it on.
I don't live every single momentin this space, right In theta
it's brainwaves theta.
I don't live there all the timebecause that's how I can lose
myself.
(17:30):
Right.
Being in heaven all the time isa fantastic thing.
I can work six, eight hours andthe only thing like I'll come
out of the office.
I have a healing space afterworking six or eight clients in
a day and the only thing is islike I'll come out of the office
I have a healing space afterworking six or eight clients in
a day and the only thing is islike I'll be like, oh, my
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throat's a little sore, that'sright.
I've been talking for eighthours, right.
But it fills me with love andjoy and there is no pain because
I around my love and joy.
So I um can't really lose myselfbecause I keep checking in with
myself.
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I mean, every day I check inand the people that I talk with
I don't remember.
It's not for me to remember.
I always tell all of my clientsrecord the session, write the
notes you know, bring someone ifyou need to, because this is
about them, and I won't remember.
I am just your telephone toyour connection to help you
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translate what's happening inyour life and to get the
messages you need.
Does that make sense?
Josh Porthouse (18:37):
I mean, yeah, sort of.
But what I'm picturing is likeis like walking into the perfume
aisle in the department storeand there's all these scents
everywhere and I'm like I walkout of there and I'm just
overstimulated and I need coffee, beans, the ground, and then I
can go about my shoppingexperience.
You know what I mean.
Am I close?
I mean, is that even remotelyaccurate?
Sallyann Martinez (19:00):
I get a lot of it for a lot of people.
Josh Porthouse (19:04):
And.
Sallyann Martinez (19:04):
I I tell you that I'll sit with a client and
they may have 20 people with 20spirit around them.
Right, I can divide.
I guess I can divide andconquer kind of thing I can
commute.
It's like when you're in aparty, right?
yeah if you're at a party andone person catches your
attention and you're sitting andyou're at a party, right yeah,
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if you're at a party and oneperson catches your attention
and you're sitting and you'rehaving a conversation with that
one person, there might be otherpeople that add in a little bit
, but you're really focused onthat one person.
So that's how it works for me.
Other spirit may choose to comein and give me a little bit,
but I am focused on the overallmessage of what I'm hearing, the
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person in front of me.
There everyone has about threeguardian angels.
Josh Porthouse (19:52):
So, yeah, typically it all kind of flows
together, so it's not typicallyoverwhelming because they take
their turns Well that'sconvenient, yeah, and there's
all sorts of, I think, instanceswhere people throughout life
have a call it, a misalignmentbetween whatever their roles are
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in society and then how theyview themselves and their
identity.
Right, it happens all the time.
You get fired from your jobYou're like, well, I don't know
what I'm going to do next, andthen maybe you get into this
depression or whatever, becausethat is out of alignment, roles
and identities.
You go to a new school You'relike, well, this is
uncomfortable.
Why is it uncomfortable?
It's still just kids, it's allstill your, you know whatever,
(20:36):
but it's new, it's unfamiliarRoles and identities, right, mis
.
So there was a time when I was akid, remember we were at a
place, uh, in florida, uh,nature park, nature preserve,
basically, and I don't rememberwhy.
I just remember the adults.
I was little, I mean, like insize and young in age, right,
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and so I'm running super fast.
In hindsight probably wasn'tgoing that far or that fast, but
I I remember the adults werebehind us and I remember
thinking that our like the grill, you know the metal grill on
like a pole at some picnicspaces or whatever.
Okay, so I could see it.
Um, but between me and thatgrill was this concrete
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retaining wall corner of thelake and it was covered in grass
.
At the bottom of the retainingwall it was all covered in grass
.
And I consciously rememberthinking I can totally beat
everybody back to the grill if Ijust cut across the corner and
I'll run right across the grassand they're all going to walk
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around the corner.
And I took I couldn't.
I wish I had a way to take theimage that's in my head from
what I remember and show it toyou right now.
But I took one step towards theedge of the retaining wall and
I saw two eyes and two nostrils.
It was a gator head sunk down.
It wasn't grass, it was algae,oh my god.
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And it was water, not solid,and I turned, I took one step
and right before I saw that move, I said and the only thing I
heard was my dad who at somepoint prior to that moment in my
life happened to just say or atleast it was his voice that
happened to say don't cutcorners.
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And I'm sure it was not at allmeant to be literal, but in that
moment I took one step, I hearddon't cut corners.
And then this gator droppedunder the water and I was like
Whoa, what just happened?
And everything, just like youknow, reset in my perspective
and I walked the rest of the wayback to the grill.
Do you have moments like that?
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I mean, helping other people isone thing, but you in your own
life?
Sallyann Martinez (22:47):
You know, when I first realized that I
could do that or have this gift,I doubted it because I kept
hearing my own mind, I kepthearing my own voice and I would
ask for a sign Okay, prove itto me, prove it to me.
Prove it to me, I'm a bigfeather girl, right, prove that
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I'm right.
And one day I heard somethingin my mind, right, and I said,
huh, still my voice.
I still recognized it, like yourecognized your dad's right.
And I said but I don't knowthat.
I know, I don't know thatinformation and that kind of
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like this pivot to say I need tolisten.
It proved to me that there'ssomething else here that is
helping guide me or keeping mesafe.
So I get it.
It happens often.
Josh Porthouse (23:51):
Well, especially in your case, I'm not that
surprised.
Let me get your opinion on this.
Actually, do you think that ifit's common for everybody which
I think is I'm paraphrasing fromthe beginning of this
conversation but if it's commonfor everybody, there's just a
lack of, or a degree of a lackof awareness?
Let's call it.
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Is it circumstantial to thepace of our life?
We're not as present to payattention to these cues, to
these triggers, to these I don'tknow intuitions, because we're
so focused on the future or thepast, not the present, that we
miss some of these things.
Sallyann Martinez (24:32):
I think that's an excellent question.
I think it is circumstantialand I'll tell you why.
I don't read small children.
I don't need to talk to theirguardian angels.
If parents come in and say,tell me about little Tommy,
don't need to talk to theirguardian angels.
If parents come in say, tell meabout little tommy, typically I
don't need to talk to themabout anyone over under like 12
(24:52):
or 13, unless there's you knowsomething that, like humans are
getting in the way and there'syou know there's harm.
Um, but do you have children byany chance?
I do, yeah, okay, how old arethey?
Josh Porthouse (25:07):
Ten Okay.
Sallyann Martinez (25:10):
So and it's funny because Irish people
believe this the Catholic Churchchanged some things, but they
call it the age of reason.
Until they're about seven weget into the age of reason.
I've heard that, right, you'veheard that, okay.
So the really interesting thingis, I don't know if your
children have ever had imaginaryfriends or have had like these
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conversations and these teaparties and nobody's there.
The reality is is that whenyou're young, you see your
guardian angels, you knowthey're present, they're right
there, you it.
I actually have photos of likesome really interesting and
amazing photos that um, ofpeople that I trust there, where
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you can see like spirit withdenim on and some other.
But, um, basically what happensis when you're young, you don't
know any different, right?
You know that they're there,you know they're present.
About five or six that's whenkids, like, start to bite or get
aggressive because they gothrough massive anxiety because
all of a sudden, their invisiblefriends or guardian angels they
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can't see anymore.
So, um, and then by nine, youtypically become too human and
you forget your guardian angelsor you don't see them as present
, right, because it's notsomething we talk about with our
kids.
We don't say are your angelswith you, are you feeling
comfortable and protected andknow that they're there?
Or you know even some kids,when they have invisible friends
(26:40):
, parents or guardians say, no,you don't really see that
because they're trying toprotect us from the world, right
?
Not because they're trying tobe mean, but the reality is our
children see them.
I will trust a four-year-old'spoint of view on someone over
anything else because they cansee who they really are.
(27:00):
So a lot of times you'll hearthat people become into their
psychic gift more, like in that20, 21 year old, and I think it
becomes a time where you get tofeel safe.
So for me, right, I went intotraining, I went after it, I
wanted to understand what washappening to me because it was
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part of my family, my heritage.
But everyone has the gift.
It just depends if you listen.
And, um, have you heard that?
Your stomach is your secondbrain?
Have you heard that, right?
So I always say are you payingattention?
You can't see me, but I'mtouching, like right above my
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belly button, which is a chakracenter about, um, it's solar
plexus.
So, do I love myself?
Do I trust myself?
Do I believe myself?
That's where that center is.
So I say your message, yourguardian angel whisper, comes
from your third eye, right, yourbrain and your other brain
helps us trust it.
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So sometimes, yeah, it'sdefinitely like circumstantial.
Like you hear, stop before youwalk into a street and, oh my
gosh, the bus just went by pastthe red light, right?
Yeah?
Yeah, you're not supposed toleave that and and sometimes the
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messages just come.
So this way they're comforting.
It's so funny.
I have a really good friend andI.
She got a puppy and I saw thisblack and white dog.
I knew her puppy was Charlie.
It was a black and white dog,black and white dog, black and
white dog, black and white dog.
When she was in this house I dowork in that house because
there's lots of spirit hangingout there.
She moved to Atlanta.
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I go to visit her in Atlantaand this dog comes running up to
me.
Moved to Atlanta, I go to visither in Atlanta and this dog
comes running up to me.
It's a white poodle.
I looked at her and I was likewho's this?
She goes, it's Charlie.
She's like.
You've known Charlie since he'seight weeks old.
Charlie's black and white.
She looked at me.
She's like no, I'm like holyguacamoles.
(29:04):
Okay, I knew there was a dogspirit in the other house.
He was black and white.
I saw black and white all thetime when I was talking to
Charlie.
I thought it was a black andwhite dog.
He is not a black and white dog, he is a white, fluffy poodle.
So you know, being aware ofcertain things or listening in a
different way can help youconnect.
Josh Porthouse (29:27):
Alrighty, folks, sit tight and we'll be right
back on Transacting Value.
Join us for Transacting Value,where we discuss practical
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Wednesdays at 5 pm and Sundaysat noon on reedsacrossamericaorg
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Sallyann Martinez (29:51):
You know, being aware of certain things or
listening in a different waycan help you connect.
Josh Porthouse (29:57):
Interesting, okay.
Well, what impact do you thinktalking about helping you
connect, let's just say, withcorporeal people or on any sort
of spiritual relation?
Either case, what impact does ahigh stress environment have on
that?
I would say occupationally,because stress throws everything
(30:20):
out of whack and misalignseverything you know know,
chemically, hormonally, whatever, and obviously in I think, two
different circumstances.
One, you become super hyperaware and present, which I think
is just as much a tunnel visionas it is when you're totally
(30:40):
oblivious.
So what impact does high stresshave on this kind of awareness
or ability to connect withpeople, in your opinion?
Sallyann Martinez (30:49):
I think that you know when we're stressed we
go into fight or flight, right,um?
And you really have a choice.
Where are you going?
Am I gonna fight?
Because I don't understand this.
So I'm going to be.
I'm going to fight everythingthat comes at me.
Or I'm going to be I'm going tofight everything that comes at
me, or I'm going to need tounderstand it.
I need to understand it beforeI can accept it, or I hide away
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and and choose not to understandit.
I think that when you have highstress, it's really hard to
connect.
I think it's hard.
That's why the world says doyoga, have meditation, go to
your spiritual center, find afriend, right, it's all these
ways of reconnecting, changingyour brainwave patterns and
(31:38):
reconnecting because stress isso prevalent.
So how do you pull thosemoments down?
You know, personally I had,like this health scare November
1st, wound up in the hospitalfor a day, and I was like what
am I doing here?
And the doctor's, like you'retoo stressed.
I'm like I think I take care ofmyself.
(31:59):
I know, okay, maybe I haven'tbeen meditating as much and I
haven't been giving myselfenough Reiki, but I'm getting
massages and I'm really busy andI'm very scheduled.
And he looked at me and he'slike pull up your calendar.
So I showed him a week and hewas like okay, this is your
stress.
(32:19):
You are bouncing from Scottsdaleto Phoenix, to Anthem.
You're scheduled by the hour.
Where do you eat in here?
Where do you go to the bathroomin here?
And I'm like, um, where I cansqueeze it?
He's like, no, that's it.
So him and my husband ganged upon me.
They're like no more than threethings in a day.
I'm like, okay, I'll try, right.
(32:43):
But the reason is that while Iwas getting very, very good with
my clients and having like,felt like I was even more
connected, um, my humanness wassuffering from stress.
So for me, because this is whatI do for a living, this is how
I connect, this is how I fill mybucket, um, the gift got better
(33:06):
, I think.
Um, but the humanist did notlike.
So I needed to I'm going to say, be more present.
I needed to be more of yin andyang.
Josh Porthouse (33:22):
I needed to accept the beach instead of just
being in the spiritual worldit's pretty interesting too,
because, I don't know, it's alsokind of refreshing to think
that boundaries are such a aphysical or mental, you know
corporeal type construct, butit's all still got to be in
(33:43):
harmony, no matter what sort ofdimension or plane your thoughts
are on that day.
Um, so that's that's refreshing, I guess, to know that it's
sort of a cosmic constant thatyou may as well figure it out.
Now, you know, I feel likethere's so many different
lessons that I don't know justfly through the cosmos and
impact us in any certaindimension.
(34:06):
Right, qualify that how youwant.
But that the more aware webecome in 80 to 100 years for
most of us on the earth, we allseem to grasp the importance,
the relevance, the resonance ofbasically all the same
fundamental type lessons,boundaries, for example, being
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one of them.
So I'm curious, all of theseexperiences, boundaries, for
example, being one of them.
So I'm curious, all of theseexperiences, though in my
opinion, for anybody, whoeverthat person is, have to come
from somewhere.
I mean, it took you almost 20years to actually sort of tap in
and feel present andcomfortable and confident enough
(34:47):
to accept and interpret.
Well, right, so maybe expresslyexplicitly, it came from your
mom at that point in time, butthere's got to be something
before that.
I mean, you mentioned geneticsat one point, so this is a
segment of the show calledDeveloping Character
D-D-D-Developing Character.
It's two questions.
(35:07):
The answers are entirely asvulnerable as you want to be,
but here's why I'm asking.
Here's what it's about.
My theory is that values are ashortcut to identity and they
are a grounding mechanism forour identities whenever we're
out of misalignment or what'sthe word?
Misharmony, unharmonious and soin those moments, in those
(35:30):
opportunities to at least beable to focus on some grounding
mechanism, like a value system,to go from a whatever catalyst
cognitively into a moreprogressive or proactive
behavior for ourselves.
We can then work throughwherever we're stuck.
But I don't think you can teachall of that.
(35:50):
Some of it we pick up oninnately until we're able to
interpret it.
And so my two questions areabout values and they're
separated by time.
My first question is what weresome of the values that you
remember being raised on oractually taught when you were
growing up?
And my second question is,assuming they've changed because
(36:11):
of your experiences, what aresome of your values now?
Sallyann Martinez (36:16):
I'm an Italian from New York City right
I am.
My parents.
My grandparents came over onthe boat.
Right we are.
My mother is a first generation.
I was the first one in myfamily to go to college, and so
family has always been my value.
I was brought up that way.
(36:36):
We went to my grandparentsevery Sunday.
We always sat down for dinnertogether, even if my dad didn't
come home till 7 pm at night.
So that's a value that actuallyI still keep Sunday and Monday
night.
My two adult children, 24 and29, we have dinner together, and
(36:58):
when they were growing up andmy husband was traveling a lot,
the three of us would sit downand have dinner together.
Didn't matter if Alex wascoming home from football or
Grace was coming home fromlacrosse or it was seven 30 at
night.
We're sitting down, we'rehaving dinner, then you can take
showers and do your homeworkand go to sleep, right.
So family is still a big valuefor me and the closeness of
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family.
Um, I was also brought up in avery I won't say very religious,
but in a religious environment,like my mother would argue with
the priest like why is this?
Why is that right?
So I kind of love that he'slike a bigger thinker.
And so, while I will say I'mnot as religious sometimes I
(37:44):
joke and say I'm cath light orrecovering Roman Catholic I
still believe in and I believein God.
I use that word People likesource.
Universe still all means thesame thing to me.
Right, it's a higher power thathelps us go forth.
(38:05):
And so I still believe in beinggood to your neighbor, even if
it's maybe monetarily doesn'twork out for me, maybe
monetarily doesn't work out forme.
Um, I still believe involunteering.
I am very philanthropic.
It's important to me, it'simportant.
I make sure it's important tomy children, it's important to
(38:27):
the people I hang out with.
Um, I don't, I don't fear God.
Matter of fact, I was.
I was fired by the Catholicchurch because of what I did and
they I was working for a churchbringing in a theater program
right after COVID.
And I don't really tell peoplewhat I do, unless someone asked
me very pointedly specifically.
(38:49):
Otherwise I'm like oh yeah, I'mjust like an advisor and I just
don't tell people what I do.
I am who, I am like me for me,not for what I do.
And I used to be in thecorporate world, was a big
marketer, huge events, thingslike that, and so I must have
sent an email from my phone andhad my footer on it and I got a
(39:10):
call and they were very upsetthat what I did was against like
Catholic doctrine or something.
And they wrote me this whole bigthing.
And if I want you to hang outwith the priest, not hang out,
but you know they want toconvert me.
So I started laughing and I waslike I'll meet with your priest.
But yeah, you're right, I don'tfear God.
Sorry, I don't.
He talks to me almost every day.
(39:30):
I know that what I get is forme to be a good person.
I still authentically believebe kind, because if you can be
anything in the world, be kind,be good person next to you and,
you know, try and live a goodlife Like so.
I still believe in those things.
(39:50):
I just I don't fear the manupstairs where, um, I guess
that's a big thing in theCatholic church.
I never really realized that,but it is, you know fire and
brimstone.
But I used to say, and um, Idon't think that that person, I
don't think that source is thatway.
I think source gives us a lotof choices.
(40:11):
Um, but when you fear something, you don't question it.
You also don't get close to it,right, like if someone feared
you wouldn't want to have coffeewith you, but you, you know
what's the old adage you getmore you get you get more
vinegar or something Right.
Josh Porthouse (40:30):
Yeah, sure, yep, yeah, yeah, that that is a good
point.
Um, there's, there's a lot ofthings, I think, that get rooted
in fear.
You know, religiously orotherwise, but I mean, we talked
about kids earlier, even yours,right, 29 years old.
Now, 24 years old now there'sstill things they're learning
and don't know right.
And so when you tell them,don't do fill in the blank,
(40:50):
whatever it is or I wouldn't dothat if I were you or however
you phrase it right A lot ofthat probably is coupled with
think about the repercussions,think Right.
A lot of that probably iscoupled with think about the
repercussions, think about whatit's going to do to your future.
I'm not going to tell you,don't?
You're an adult, but you know.
And a lot of that, I think, isrooted in some degree of fear
because it's still unknown andit it gives a sort of an easy
scapegoat for discernment.
(41:13):
I think it's an easy scapegoatfor discernment to stand on fear
because it is a pretty powerfulmotivator.
But I think it's an easyscapegoat for discernment to
stand on fear, because it is apretty powerful motivator.
But I think to your point so isfree will, so is hope.
I mean, the entire GreenLantern Corps is founded on it
in the Marvel universe.
You know so or I don't know,whatever, maybe it's DC, I mix
(41:33):
them all up, but the point isstill the same, right, like
there's so much science fiction,even rooted in that, over
generations, that hope canovercome fear.
Understanding, competency,confidence, helping your
neighbor, philanthropicendeavors Every superhero is a
philanthropist, right.
So, like we said, all of thesesort of cosmic lessons,
(41:55):
generationally,intergenerationally,
cross-generationally that peopletend to figure out without ever
having talked to each other,there's got to be some truth to
it absolutely.
Sallyann Martinez (42:06):
Gratitude is a scientifically proven emotion.
Um and uh, I actually wrote agratitude journal that's based
on different centers of yoursystem, but scientifically there
are 50, 100 studies more thanthat out there about how your
(42:29):
brains and how we look at lifedifferently right, how we
understand the gratitude that wehave in our life can change our
life Like it really can.
I mean, and it's you know, whatI would really encourage
everybody to do is find yourgratitude for today, and it
doesn't have to be likecatastrophic.
It could just be oh my gosh, Ifound my favorite pencil right.
(42:54):
Or, oh, this apple tastes sogood.
And when you can bring thesepositive things into your mind,
they stick All of a sudden youhave more good things in there
than dang another red light.
Josh Porthouse (43:09):
Absolutely, and that's something that's strange
too.
In the last couple of minuteswe've got, I guess that's
something that's strange.
Strange too, because negativityand pessimism drive ratings in
broadcast media and that's whatgets attention right.
Not everybody is turned on bythose topics and so you have a
million, 2 million peoplewatching any given news station
(43:31):
a month.
Let's say Okay, at least in theUnited States.
What happens to the 330 millionother people then if they're
not watching it?
You know what I mean.
There's still way more peoplethat find appeal consciously,
wittingly, unwittingly orsubconsciously in these types of
positive interactions and see abenefit at least individually.
(43:53):
And so I think it's interestingthat if everybody call it 330
million, people find resonanceand positivity that it still
doesn't have a larger footprint,let's say at least in broadcast
media or public discourse oropen conversation at a coffee
shop.
It's strange, I think.
Sallyann Martinez (44:12):
It is.
But I'm also going to tell youthat there's been the earth has
gone through this big shift.
To tell you that there's beenthe earth has gone through this
big shift, and so I'm going totell you that in a year and a
half from this conversation, Iwant you to revisit what you
just said, because by in twoyears, the world's going to
change.
It will get kinder and gentler.
I thought it would happen withinsix months, but some of the
(44:35):
recent events have pushed itback a little.
Um, some of the recent eventshave pushed it back a little,
but, um, when there's thingsthat we don't understand, we go
into fear.
Um, the world will settle.
The energy in the world willcalm us all down.
We'll be able to get bettergrounded, to find ourselves to
(44:55):
um, to understand the worldaround us a little more and stop
being in that fight or flightspace of, of hiding and and
understanding, and the worldwill change.
I see it over and over and overagain.
Every time I go to focus itshows up.
So I'm having the faith and thehope, like the green lantern,
(45:17):
um, that the world would change.
Josh Porthouse (45:21):
Yeah, well, that is powerful.
And so let me ask you this then, one more time, I guess in the
last couple of minutes, to gofrom macro to micro, talking
about the world changing whathave all of these influences
actually done for you and yoursense of self and instigating
your self-worth, having livedthrough all of these things the
last you know, four or fivedecades?
Sallyann Martinez (45:43):
I think for me how it's helped me.
I'm definitely more independent, I'm stronger.
I think I have more of a voice.
I think a lot of my naivetyfrom when I was younger and
(46:04):
trying to make other peoplehappy because that's where I
filled my bucket I think it haschanged so that I understand
that it's really up to otherpeople.
I'm such a big believer in freewill that I will.
I'll do just about anything foryou, um, to help you see what
(46:25):
door you have to walk through tounderstand that that will give
you a better life.
But what I do understand for meis that I can't push you
through that door and make thathappen and as a mother and as a
person growing up in mygeneration, that's a really hard
pill to swallow.
So that was my shift andunderstand that you can be all
(46:48):
you can be and you can encouragepeople to be all that they can
be and you can stand next tothem, but you can't make them
change.
It has to be their choice, andso I have gotten more
understanding about that formyself and who I am.
Yeah, you know it's interesting.
You'll see people reactdifferently.
Do you have time for this quicklittle story?
Josh Porthouse (47:11):
Yeah, sure.
Sallyann Martinez (47:12):
And my brother a couple of months ago.
My brother's like you'vechanged, you need to go to
therapy or something.
And I laughed at him.
I said, oh, babe.
I said no, no, just because I'mchoosing to act differently
than the way that you think Ishould act, or that you've
trained me for all these yearsto react as your sibling.
(47:35):
And now that I've changed andcome into myself and decided to
do things differently cause Ineed to see things differently,
that's, uh, there's nothingwrong with me.
I have no therapy.
I think it's a strong tool thatwe can do to help ourselves.
Um, I said, but you better lookat yourself to see where this
(47:58):
is really coming from.
And he was like huh, and sureenough, you know, all of a
sudden, like the argumentationabout certain things dwindled
and because a lot of times whenpeople say things to us, we also
have to take note, Is thisabout them and I just happen to
be in this place, right?
(48:18):
Or they feel to me in this way?
Is it really mine, like, is itmine to hold?
I'm going to say like, 90% ofthe time, it doesn't belong to
you, it belongs to them.
So in kindness or in love, wecan say wow, that doesn't belong
to me.
I'm not going to take it right,I'm not just going to swallow
it or store it in my legs orwhatever.
(48:39):
I'm going to look at it andrealize, wow, this doesn't
really belong to me.
And then it's easier to haveempathy for other people.
It's like, wow, it's really,I'm going to give you a lot of
love that you think that way,cause I just think differently
and it's okay that I thinkdifferently.
Um, so I'm just going to giveyou the bandwidth to do what you
have to do, but I expect you togive me the bandwidth to
(49:01):
believe what I believe as wellthat's a difficult sort of
balance, isn't it?
Josh Porthouse (49:08):
having the discernment and honesty and
awareness to identify that, butthen between being maybe
dismissive and courteous, Ithink is sort of the I don't
know where the fulcrum is, butthat's the balancing act in
those types of moments, isn't it?
Sallyann Martinez (49:28):
It really is.
I found a lot of people becomedismissive or again go into
fight or flight.
I'm telling you something youdon't want to hear.
So you know as a normalconversation, not with my gift,
um, and go into fight or flight,cause I'm not comfortable with
that.
I'm not comfortable with whatyou're saying and it's going to
(49:48):
take me some time to processthat and hopefully they process
it for themselves and be kindand gentler to the person that
is communicating it, especiallyif you're not doing it in a big
or angry way, I mean even if youare.
I one time I had this, thispresident of the company that
was like so explosive in thismeeting, and I looked at him.
(50:09):
I'm like that must've been areally bad phone call.
You got off on that.
He just hung up the phone.
He was like starting to getcrazy at me.
I'm like this has nothing to dowith me.
Call me when you want to talkabout marketing.
But I left.
He was like and I'm like calmdown this.
Whatever's happening here hasnothing to do with me, Um, and
it's hard to see, right, it'shard to cause.
(50:33):
The world doesn't always giveus permission to see our
greatness.
The world doesn't give uspermission to understand what
works for us or to backourselves.
We have to give ourselvespermission or I want to give all
your guys permission tounderstand.
It's not being selfish, it'sjust understanding your own
(50:55):
grounding, what you need, and tobe aware of what you
authentically need so you cancontinue to be healthy mentally
and physically.
It's not a big trick.
Josh Porthouse (51:08):
Yeah.
Yeah, it's also not that muchof a luxury item as it might
seem to be, and I thinkeconomically it's a relatively
inelastic good.
So I agree with you.
But let me ask you this realquick before we get out of here
Sally, If people want to get intouch with you or follow along
with anything you're putting outonline maybe become a client,
(51:31):
get in touch with you, anythingwhen do people go?
How do they reach out?
Sallyann Martinez (51:35):
Well, thanks for asking, josh.
Everything isHeavensLlightwellnesscom
Heaven's Light Wellness, on allsocial medias.
We have a YouTube channel, youknow.
Click on the website and makean appointment and find space
for yourself, right?
So we have appointments.
Majority of my clients arevirtual.
(51:56):
I have clients all over theworld.
We have appointments.
Majority of my clients arevirtual.
I have clients all over theworld.
So, yeah, so it's the.
I used to say all the Englishspeaking countries, and now I
have clients in Mexico andTaiwan, so it made myself a liar
.
But, yeah, we can do a lot ofthis work on the phone because
there's no time and space whenyou talk to source or heaven.
(52:17):
So, yeah, book an appointment.
That's the best way.
Check us out onheavenslightwellnesscom YouTube,
instagram, tiktok.
We do free angel card pullsevery week, so hopefully you get
a beautiful, positive messagefor yourself.
There's lots of ways to spreadsome love out there.
Josh Porthouse (52:38):
Absolutely Well for anybody who's new to this
show.
Depending on the player you'restreaming this conversation on,
or where you're watching thisvideo, you can click see more.
You can click show more, and inthe drop down description for
this conversation you'll seelinks to Heaven's Light Wellness
, the website and social, andyou'll be able to get in touch
with Sally Ann through there aswell.
For right now, though, I lovethis conversation.
(52:59):
It was super lighthearted, butwe covered some deep topics.
It flowed really well and, likeI brought up in the beginning,
I think it's got a lot to dowith your peppy attitude and
your awesome perspective.
So I appreciate you bringing itwith you into the conversation
and the inspiration that you putout and, obviously, your
ability to clearly communicateit well.
So I guess the only thing Ihave left to say is thanks for
(53:21):
your time.
Sallyann Martinez (53:23):
Oh, thank you .
I'm honored to be part of thisand share some space with you,
Josh.
Josh Porthouse (53:29):
Yeah, yeah, no problem.
I have a feeling we'll be intouch 18 to 24 months.
We'll see where this goes, butto everybody else who tuned into
this conversation and listenedto it, I hope you guys had an
awesome time listening toeverything that Sally Ann
brought up.
I'm going to leave you with onepiece real quick.
Go over to our website,transactingvaluepodcastcom.
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(54:33):
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Find your gratitude for today, and it
doesn't have to be likecatastrophic.
It could just be oh my gosh, Ifound my favorite pencil right.
Or oh, this apple tastes sogood.
And when you can bring thesepositive things into your mind,
they stick.
Josh Porthouse (01:06):
Today on Transacting Value.
Everybody has a guardian angelthat looks after them, that
takes care of them, thatsometimes they assume they can
talk to and figure out how tobuild any degree of identity,
mitigate any amount of stress oranxiety or manage chaos.
But can you actuallycommunicate with guardian angels
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?
Spiritual advisor andclairvoyant who helps people
heal without medication?
She's a holistic healer namedSally Ann Martinez and we're
talking to her today on the show.
I'm Josh Porthouse, I'm yourhost and from SDYT Media.
This is Transacting Value.
Sally Ann, how you doing?
Sallyann Martinez (01:49):
Hey, hey, hey , better and better.
How are you?
Josh Porthouse (01:52):
I'm doing well.
Thank you, I appreciate yourpersonality.
You seem really happy.
Is this normal, or is this acup of coffee in the evening?
What's your?
Sallyann Martinez (02:03):
Yeah, no, yeah, this is normal.
This is normal, me Matter offact.
I was just talking to somefriends and they were talking
about you know, we were talkingabout alcohol.
We're old, we talk aboutalcohol and they just laugh
because they're like, really,you don't drink and I'm like, no
, not really, and that's what Isay.
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Can you imagine this, like onalcohol or like we don't need?
Josh Porthouse (02:29):
that.
Sallyann Martinez (02:29):
No, oh you, you don't really drink coffee
either you know, okay, it's moreof the ritual, like I love the
coffee or tea and sitting andcommunicating with people.
So I will say I'm not addictedto coffee.
You know I have some.
You know I'll have a cup ofcoffee, maybe in the morning or
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some tea, but yeah, no, notreally.
It also gets in the way of thework, so I don't drink a lot of
caffeine.
Josh Porthouse (02:59):
You do these advising sessions full-time.
Sallyann Martinez (03:04):
Yes, yes, Well, private sessions,
workshops.
I'm a guest speaker, so I'll goout to events.
But yeah, I retired from thecorporate world about eight
years ago and this is what I dofull-time now.
Josh Porthouse (03:21):
So let's start there, then, because I have to
believe it takes a prettyspecial perspective to do what
you're doing.
I mean just to manage acommission-oriented job, an
entrepreneur in a practicalsense, on top of however many
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other I don't know voices orinfluences you're sorting
through on a daily basis.
So let's start here for asecond In the next couple
minutes.
Who are you?
Where are you from?
Right, let's get some resonance.
But what sort of things areshaping your perspective on life
as it applies to these things?
Sallyann Martinez (03:59):
I have been gifted this perspective.
I've been using it for over 40years.
When I was in my 20s, Iactually had like this moment.
I was in college, right Hangingout with my friends, and really
looked across the room and feltanother person's I'm going to
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call it pain, right, becausepain comes in different ways and
I kind of like freaked out.
I didn't know what washappening and you know I tell
the story.
I ran home to my dorm roombecause it was before cell
phones, and called my mother andI was like okay, I know,
because you know I'm 19 yearsold, I know all I'm, I know that
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I'm having a nervous breakdown.
You need to get up here andpick me up from college.
And I don't know what'shappening.
Blah, blah, blah, blah and uh,this was serious uh, serious,
like I hate to say serious as aheart attack.
But yes, I did not understandwhat was happening to me and I I
knew authentically I'm a happyperson.
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You said it.
That's exactly who I am.
I'm happy, I see the good partof life.
But you know, I mean stuffhappens, life happens, but it's
how I look at things.
I'm just really upbeat and Ilooked across the room and there
was a man who was standing in avery strange position, like a
position I wouldn't stand in.
I think his arm was up, I don'treally remember.
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But I remember how I felt and itwas sad and despondent and
things that I knew I didn't feeland so that's what kind of like
, you know, kind of wigged meout.
It was a surprise to what Iknew I was feeling, but that I
also knew that somehow it didn'tbelong to me.
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But I didn't understand that atthe time.
And you know, my mom, take achill pill, calm down, tell me
what's going on.
We're New Yorkers, right?
So we're Brooklyn New Yorkers,italian Brooklyn, new Yorkers.
So we kind of get to the pointand my mother's like all right,
what's the deal?
So I told her what I wasfeeling, told her that little
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story and she was like you'refine, I'm like what?
So she said you're just psychic.
And honestly, josh, I didn'tknow that word.
I wasn't brought up with thatword.
I didn't understand that it wasdifferent.
Yes, my grandmother would say Ihad a dream about you and this
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is going to happen, and don't dothat.
And you know, you're 18 yearsold, you go out, it happened.
You did what grandma told younot to do.
You go home or you see heragain, she smacks you on the top
of the head, says don't do itagain.
And you know, three days latershe tells you something else and
then it happens.
I didn't know that other peopledidn't have that life right.
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You only know what you know.
And at 20 years old, my mother,telling me I'm psychic, didn't
under.
I didn't understand that word.
Um, and you know now, reallyI'm an empath.
I started as an empath.
I'm still an empath, my kidsare empaths.
Um, it's become a little moremainstream, like we've kind of
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caught up.
And then I got right intotraining.
Like literally within a monthof this happened.
I went into this amazingtraining program that you know
the universe is always workingin your favor.
So it kind of showed up and Iwalked through that door and
haven't looked back sincebecause everything really
resonated with me and it's justlike how I live my life.
Josh Porthouse (07:39):
So this kind of magnetism, natural attraction, I
guess, to these kinds of things.
I mean, these are like folkstories, you know, these are
like superstitions, this sort ofuh fringe science, I guess.
In some circles, empathy is not, though, right.
(08:00):
So where's why is the line,seems, so blurry between a
practical application of empathy, for example, and a practical
application of then acting onsome sort of intuition or this
sort of empath qualifier?
You're?
Sallyann Martinez (08:16):
describing.
Put electrodes on my head andyou tested my brainwave patterns
.
I can change my brainwavepatterns because my brainwave
patterns is what the science ofit is that I changed my
brainwave patterns so I can talkto spirit, so I can talk to
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your guardian angels, and I can,for me, right, different
clairvoyants have differentgifts.
See it, feel it, smell it, hearit.
Right, my guardian angels, talkto me.
Your guardian angels, if yougive me permission, talk to me,
show me pictures.
I describe what I see, and it'sa scientific thing.
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But the world is afraid of whatthey don't know.
Right, old wives, old wives,tales on healing.
Right, put honey on a wound soit doesn't get infected.
No one would ever do that thesedays, but you can do that and
it won't get infected.
Look, I'm not a medical doctor.
Don't take this as medicaladvice, right?
(09:18):
But there are lots of thingsthat we know work.
But because, for some reason,the world has turned into this,
give me a pill and make a betterworld.
Um, because that's what Ibelieve in.
I believe in this pill insteadof believing in putting chopped
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onions on the bottom of yourfeet to bring down a fever.
Right, it's okay.
It's just how the world works,but scientifically, I am
changing my brainwave patternsand we do it.
All of us do it as humans.
I've just learned how to do iton command.
Cool, so is that?
Josh Porthouse (09:58):
more what you're , I guess, is that more what
you're, I guess, describing?
When I'm saying, for example,empathy is not sympathy, right,
I understand how you're feelingbecause I've been there, not
because I've seen or heard itsecondhand, I think is the
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delineation there.
So when I'm saying empathy, isthis what you're describing?
But to me it's by chance, toyou it's a conscious sort of
effort.
Sallyann Martinez (10:30):
Have you ever had a moment when you didn't
want to get on a plane or youdidn't want to go into a room,
or you knew you should callsomeone, okay, okay.
So I call those angel whispersthat's what I believe like your
guardian angels are telling youdon't get up or be present and
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be conscious of what's happeningaround you.
So I'm not sure if I'd callthat empathy, but I'd call it
more awareness, more about beingpresent For me.
Yeah, I see my guardian angel.
He says do that.
And I go, okay, and it alwaysworks out right.
Like I have evolved in my lifeto be more, I'm going to say
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faithful, right, and notreligious faithful, but faithful
in source and universe anduniverse and things that I just
know, because every single day,every single day, I get proof
and so that's part of it.
Maybe I'm more empathetic tomyself, right, because that's
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part of it.
You may get that angel message.
You may get part of it.
You may get that angel messageyou may get don't go to the
right, don't go into that doorright now, and you go no, no,
I'm being ridiculous, that'scrazy.
And you go in and something notgreat happens, right.
That's just not having faith inyourself, not believing in what
you hear or what you feel andthat's part of the world too,
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that a lot of the world doesthat.
But we have free choice, wehave free will, so we get to
decide.
Josh Porthouse (12:12):
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Sallyann Martinez (13:02):
Where values start in the home.
That's just not having faith inyourself, not believing in what
you hear or what you feel, andthat's part of the world too,
that a lot of the world doesthat.
But we have free choice, wehave free will, so we get to
decide.
Josh Porthouse (13:18):
Okay.
So let me ask you that then,Not having faith in you, not
trusting in yourself?
Right, the intuition, theinstinct, the whatever we want
to call it right?
You are identifying all ofthese other inputs.
You're identifying all of theseother experiences that it
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sounds like necessarily aren'teven all yours, let alone
understand where they came from.
And so how does that help youtrust you?
And what you're hearing may noteven apply to you.
Sallyann Martinez (13:53):
So I'm very purposeful.
Have you ever heard of the LongIsland Medium, teresa Caputo?
There are other I'm going tocall them psychics I don't
prefer that word, but there'sother psychics or people that
will walk by and they've done itto me all the time.
They'll be like I need to talkto you.
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I'm like, okay, what's up?
Right, when I first got thegift, and actually actually I'll
tell you the reason why Ichanged the gift.
Right, cause I can.
I chose the life I have.
I was an advertising girl in NewYork city, um, and you can
manage the noise in New Yorkcity, right, the spiritual noise
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.
And I used to travel all thetime and I remember I was
looking back, flying in, justgot into JFK and I'm walking
home, I'm walking to baggageclaim, I'm going to leave, and I
can hear it.
I hear it in airports, I hearit in hospitals, I hear it in
big spaces, but I hear he knowswe're here.
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I can hear.
So imagine that that there's5,000 people around you, that
you can hear them saying sheknows we're here.
Right, because I can feelenergy anywhere I go and one
spirit kept coming next to meand I remember I stopped in the
middle right, we're all 300people are getting off the plane
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.
Well, I'm two gates away fromgetting off the plane, there's
hordes of people.
And I remember I stopped and Ijust looked at him and I said
what, what do you want?
And he said second gate.
Second gate, right-hand side.
Now, in the olden days, jfk,they actually had gates in
airports.
It wasn't one big room, youactually.
You know, it was like aU-shaped room and that was your
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gate.
Second gate he goes yellow book, yellow sweater, yellow book,
yellow sweater.
I'm like fine, yellow book,yellow sweater.
I go to the second gate andthere is a woman in a yellow
sweater reading a book with ayellow cover.
I said okay.
I walked up to her, I said Iknow this is weird, but did your
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uncle Fred just die like withintwo months ago?
And she looked at me, said yeah.
I said okay, he wants you toknow.
Whatever the message is, Idon't remember, it's not for me
to know and I said does thatmake sense to you?
She said yeah.
I said okay, thank you verymuch, and I took off.
Right, that was my moment, josh, when I said I am not serving
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the dead, I am serving theliving.
Now, that was my moment when Isaid what if she was on her way
to a business meeting?
I just messed with her head.
You know all those things thatfeel like responsibility,
because what I do is a hugeresponsibility.
And so I said I'm not doingthat anymore.
So I people have to come to meand say, sally Ann, I want you
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to work with me, I want you tohelp me figure out where I'm
going with life, if I'm on theright path.
You know what's my healthsituation.
So people come to me and then Iwill work with them.
Um, because I feel like that'swhat I'm supposed to do, is help
people have their best life.
Because, look, your guardianangels are here not to mess with
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you.
Your guardian angels are hereto live through that life.
And so with that, I turn it offand I turn it on.
I don't live every single momentin this space, right In theta
it's brainwaves theta.
I don't live there all the timebecause that's how I can lose
myself.
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Right.
Being in heaven all the time isa fantastic thing.
I can work six, eight hours andthe only thing like I'll come
out of the office.
I have a healing space afterworking six or eight clients in
a day and the only thing is islike I'll come out of the office
I have a healing space afterworking six or eight clients in
a day and the only thing is islike I'll be like, oh, my
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throat's a little sore, that'sright.
I've been talking for eighthours, right.
But it fills me with love andjoy and there is no pain because
I around my love and joy.
So I um can't really lose myselfbecause I keep checking in with
myself.
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I mean, every day I check inand the people that I talk with
I don't remember.
It's not for me to remember.
I always tell all of my clientsrecord the session, write the
notes you know, bring someone ifyou need to, because this is
about them, and I won't remember.
I am just your telephone toyour connection to help you
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translate what's happening inyour life and to get the
messages you need.
Does that make sense?
Josh Porthouse (18:37):
I mean, yeah, sort of.
But what I'm picturing is likeis like walking into the perfume
aisle in the department storeand there's all these scents
everywhere and I'm like I walkout of there and I'm just
overstimulated and I need coffee, beans, the ground, and then I
can go about my shoppingexperience.
You know what I mean.
Am I close?
I mean, is that even remotelyaccurate?
Sallyann Martinez (19:00):
I get a lot of it for a lot of people.
Josh Porthouse (19:04):
And.
Sallyann Martinez (19:04):
I I tell you that I'll sit with a client and
they may have 20 people with 20spirit around them.
Right, I can divide.
I guess I can divide andconquer kind of thing I can
commute.
It's like when you're in aparty, right?
yeah if you're at a party andone person catches your
attention and you're sitting andyou're at a party, right yeah,
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if you're at a party and oneperson catches your attention
and you're sitting and you'rehaving a conversation with that
one person, there might be otherpeople that add in a little bit
, but you're really focused onthat one person.
So that's how it works for me.
Other spirit may choose to comein and give me a little bit,
but I am focused on the overallmessage of what I'm hearing, the
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person in front of me.
There everyone has about threeguardian angels.
Josh Porthouse (19:52):
So, yeah, typically it all kind of flows
together, so it's not typicallyoverwhelming because they take
their turns Well that'sconvenient, yeah, and there's
all sorts of, I think, instanceswhere people throughout life
have a call it, a misalignmentbetween whatever their roles are
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in society and then how theyview themselves and their
identity.
Right, it happens all the time.
You get fired from your jobYou're like, well, I don't know
what I'm going to do next, andthen maybe you get into this
depression or whatever, becausethat is out of alignment, roles
and identities.
You go to a new school You'relike, well, this is
uncomfortable.
Why is it uncomfortable?
It's still just kids, it's allstill your, you know whatever,
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but it's new, it's unfamiliarRoles and identities, right, mis
.
So there was a time when I was akid, remember we were at a
place, uh, in florida, uh,nature park, nature preserve,
basically, and I don't rememberwhy.
I just remember the adults.
I was little, I mean, like insize and young in age, right,
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and so I'm running super fast.
In hindsight probably wasn'tgoing that far or that fast, but
I I remember the adults werebehind us and I remember
thinking that our like the grill, you know the metal grill on
like a pole at some picnicspaces or whatever.
Okay, so I could see it.
Um, but between me and thatgrill was this concrete
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retaining wall corner of thelake and it was covered in grass
.
At the bottom of the retainingwall it was all covered in grass
.
And I consciously rememberthinking I can totally beat
everybody back to the grill if Ijust cut across the corner and
I'll run right across the grassand they're all going to walk
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around the corner.
And I took I couldn't.
I wish I had a way to take theimage that's in my head from
what I remember and show it toyou right now.
But I took one step towards theedge of the retaining wall and
I saw two eyes and two nostrils.
It was a gator head sunk down.
It wasn't grass, it was algae,oh my god.
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And it was water, not solid,and I turned, I took one step
and right before I saw that move, I said and the only thing I
heard was my dad who at somepoint prior to that moment in my
life happened to just say or atleast it was his voice that
happened to say don't cutcorners.
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And I'm sure it was not at allmeant to be literal, but in that
moment I took one step, I hearddon't cut corners.
And then this gator droppedunder the water and I was like
Whoa, what just happened?
And everything, just like youknow, reset in my perspective
and I walked the rest of the wayback to the grill.
Do you have moments like that?
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I mean, helping other people isone thing, but you in your own
life?
Sallyann Martinez (22:47):
You know, when I first realized that I
could do that or have this gift,I doubted it because I kept
hearing my own mind, I kepthearing my own voice and I would
ask for a sign Okay, prove itto me, prove it to me.
Prove it to me, I'm a bigfeather girl, right, prove that
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I'm right.
And one day I heard somethingin my mind, right, and I said,
huh, still my voice.
I still recognized it, like yourecognized your dad's right.
And I said but I don't knowthat.
I know, I don't know thatinformation and that kind of
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like this pivot to say I need tolisten.
It proved to me that there'ssomething else here that is
helping guide me or keeping mesafe.
So I get it.
It happens often.
Josh Porthouse (23:51):
Well, especially in your case, I'm not that
surprised.
Let me get your opinion on this.
Actually, do you think that ifit's common for everybody which
I think is I'm paraphrasing fromthe beginning of this
conversation but if it's commonfor everybody, there's just a
lack of, or a degree of a lackof awareness?
Let's call it.
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Is it circumstantial to thepace of our life?
We're not as present to payattention to these cues, to
these triggers, to these I don'tknow intuitions, because we're
so focused on the future or thepast, not the present, that we
miss some of these things.
Sallyann Martinez (24:32):
I think that's an excellent question.
I think it is circumstantialand I'll tell you why.
I don't read small children.
I don't need to talk to theirguardian angels.
If parents come in and say,tell me about little Tommy,
don't need to talk to theirguardian angels.
If parents come in say, tell meabout little tommy, typically I
don't need to talk to themabout anyone over under like 12
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or 13, unless there's you knowsomething that, like humans are
getting in the way and there'syou know there's harm.
Um, but do you have children byany chance?
I do, yeah, okay, how old arethey?
Josh Porthouse (25:07):
Ten Okay.
Sallyann Martinez (25:10):
So and it's funny because Irish people
believe this the Catholic Churchchanged some things, but they
call it the age of reason.
Until they're about seven weget into the age of reason.
I've heard that, right, you'veheard that, okay.
So the really interesting thingis, I don't know if your
children have ever had imaginaryfriends or have had like these
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conversations and these teaparties and nobody's there.
The reality is is that whenyou're young, you see your
guardian angels, you knowthey're present, they're right
there, you it.
I actually have photos of likesome really interesting and
amazing photos that um, ofpeople that I trust there, where
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you can see like spirit withdenim on and some other.
But, um, basically what happensis when you're young, you don't
know any different, right?
You know that they're there,you know they're present.
About five or six that's whenkids, like, start to bite or get
aggressive because they gothrough massive anxiety because
all of a sudden, their invisiblefriends or guardian angels they
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can't see anymore.
So, um, and then by nine, youtypically become too human and
you forget your guardian angelsor you don't see them as present
, right, because it's notsomething we talk about with our
kids.
We don't say are your angelswith you, are you feeling
comfortable and protected andknow that they're there?
Or you know even some kids,when they have invisible friends
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, parents or guardians say, no,you don't really see that
because they're trying toprotect us from the world, right
?
Not because they're trying tobe mean, but the reality is our
children see them.
I will trust a four-year-old'spoint of view on someone over
anything else because they cansee who they really are.
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So a lot of times you'll hearthat people become into their
psychic gift more, like in that20, 21 year old, and I think it
becomes a time where you get tofeel safe.
So for me, right, I went intotraining, I went after it, I
wanted to understand what washappening to me because it was
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part of my family, my heritage.
But everyone has the gift.
It just depends if you listen.
And, um, have you heard that?
Your stomach is your secondbrain?
Have you heard that, right?
So I always say are you payingattention?
You can't see me, but I'mtouching, like right above my
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belly button, which is a chakracenter about, um, it's solar
plexus.
So, do I love myself?
Do I trust myself?
Do I believe myself?
That's where that center is.
So I say your message, yourguardian angel whisper, comes
from your third eye, right, yourbrain and your other brain
helps us trust it.
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So sometimes, yeah, it'sdefinitely like circumstantial.
Like you hear, stop before youwalk into a street and, oh my
gosh, the bus just went by pastthe red light, right?
Yeah?
Yeah, you're not supposed toleave that and and sometimes the
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messages just come.
So this way they're comforting.
It's so funny.
I have a really good friend andI.
She got a puppy and I saw thisblack and white dog.
I knew her puppy was Charlie.
It was a black and white dog,black and white dog, black and
white dog, black and white dog.
When she was in this house I dowork in that house because
there's lots of spirit hangingout there.
She moved to Atlanta.
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I go to visit her in Atlantaand this dog comes running up to
me.
Moved to Atlanta, I go to visither in Atlanta and this dog
comes running up to me.
It's a white poodle.
I looked at her and I was likewho's this?
She goes, it's Charlie.
She's like.
You've known Charlie since he'seight weeks old.
Charlie's black and white.
She looked at me.
She's like no, I'm like holyguacamoles.
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Okay, I knew there was a dogspirit in the other house.
He was black and white.
I saw black and white all thetime when I was talking to
Charlie.
I thought it was a black andwhite dog.
He is not a black and white dog, he is a white, fluffy poodle.
So you know, being aware ofcertain things or listening in a
different way can help youconnect.
Josh Porthouse (29:27):
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Sallyann Martinez (29:51):
You know, being aware of certain things or
listening in a different waycan help you connect.
Josh Porthouse (29:57):
Interesting, okay.
Well, what impact do you thinktalking about helping you
connect, let's just say, withcorporeal people or on any sort
of spiritual relation?
Either case, what impact does ahigh stress environment have on
that?
I would say occupationally,because stress throws everything
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out of whack and misalignseverything you know know,
chemically, hormonally, whatever, and obviously in I think, two
different circumstances.
One, you become super hyperaware and present, which I think
is just as much a tunnel visionas it is when you're totally
(30:40):
oblivious.
So what impact does high stresshave on this kind of awareness
or ability to connect withpeople, in your opinion?
Sallyann Martinez (30:49):
I think that you know when we're stressed we
go into fight or flight, right,um?
And you really have a choice.
Where are you going?
Am I gonna fight?
Because I don't understand this.
So I'm going to be.
I'm going to fight everythingthat comes at me.
Or I'm going to be I'm going tofight everything that comes at
me, or I'm going to need tounderstand it.
I need to understand it beforeI can accept it, or I hide away
(31:15):
and and choose not to understandit.
I think that when you have highstress, it's really hard to
connect.
I think it's hard.
That's why the world says doyoga, have meditation, go to
your spiritual center, find afriend, right, it's all these
ways of reconnecting, changingyour brainwave patterns and
(31:38):
reconnecting because stress isso prevalent.
So how do you pull thosemoments down?
You know, personally I had,like this health scare November
1st, wound up in the hospitalfor a day, and I was like what
am I doing here?
And the doctor's, like you'retoo stressed.
I'm like I think I take care ofmyself.
(31:59):
I know, okay, maybe I haven'tbeen meditating as much and I
haven't been giving myselfenough Reiki, but I'm getting
massages and I'm really busy andI'm very scheduled.
And he looked at me and he'slike pull up your calendar.
So I showed him a week and hewas like okay, this is your
stress.
(32:19):
You are bouncing from Scottsdaleto Phoenix, to Anthem.
You're scheduled by the hour.
Where do you eat in here?
Where do you go to the bathroomin here?
And I'm like, um, where I cansqueeze it?
He's like, no, that's it.
So him and my husband ganged upon me.
They're like no more than threethings in a day.
I'm like, okay, I'll try, right.
(32:43):
But the reason is that while Iwas getting very, very good with
my clients and having like,felt like I was even more
connected, um, my humanness wassuffering from stress.
So for me, because this is whatI do for a living, this is how
I connect, this is how I fill mybucket, um, the gift got better
(33:06):
, I think.
Um, but the humanist did notlike.
So I needed to I'm going to say, be more present.
I needed to be more of yin andyang.
Josh Porthouse (33:22):
I needed to accept the beach instead of just
being in the spiritual worldit's pretty interesting too,
because, I don't know, it's alsokind of refreshing to think
that boundaries are such a aphysical or mental, you know
corporeal type construct, butit's all still got to be in
(33:43):
harmony, no matter what sort ofdimension or plane your thoughts
are on that day.
Um, so that's that's refreshing, I guess, to know that it's
sort of a cosmic constant thatyou may as well figure it out.
Now, you know, I feel likethere's so many different
lessons that I don't know justfly through the cosmos and
impact us in any certaindimension.
(34:06):
Right, qualify that how youwant.
But that the more aware webecome in 80 to 100 years for
most of us on the earth, we allseem to grasp the importance,
the relevance, the resonance ofbasically all the same
fundamental type lessons,boundaries, for example, being
(34:27):
one of them.
So I'm curious, all of theseexperiences, boundaries, for
example, being one of them.
So I'm curious, all of theseexperiences, though in my
opinion, for anybody, whoeverthat person is, have to come
from somewhere.
I mean, it took you almost 20years to actually sort of tap in
and feel present andcomfortable and confident enough
(34:47):
to accept and interpret.
Well, right, so maybe expresslyexplicitly, it came from your
mom at that point in time, butthere's got to be something
before that.
I mean, you mentioned geneticsat one point, so this is a
segment of the show calledDeveloping Character
D-D-D-Developing Character.
It's two questions.
(35:07):
The answers are entirely asvulnerable as you want to be,
but here's why I'm asking.
Here's what it's about.
My theory is that values are ashortcut to identity and they
are a grounding mechanism forour identities whenever we're
out of misalignment or what'sthe word?
Misharmony, unharmonious and soin those moments, in those
(35:30):
opportunities to at least beable to focus on some grounding
mechanism, like a value system,to go from a whatever catalyst
cognitively into a moreprogressive or proactive
behavior for ourselves.
We can then work throughwherever we're stuck.
But I don't think you can teachall of that.
(35:50):
Some of it we pick up oninnately until we're able to
interpret it.
And so my two questions areabout values and they're
separated by time.
My first question is what weresome of the values that you
remember being raised on oractually taught when you were
growing up?
And my second question is,assuming they've changed because
(36:11):
of your experiences, what aresome of your values now?
Sallyann Martinez (36:16):
I'm an Italian from New York City right
I am.
My parents.
My grandparents came over onthe boat.
Right we are.
My mother is a first generation.
I was the first one in myfamily to go to college, and so
family has always been my value.
I was brought up that way.
(36:36):
We went to my grandparentsevery Sunday.
We always sat down for dinnertogether, even if my dad didn't
come home till 7 pm at night.
So that's a value that actuallyI still keep Sunday and Monday
night.
My two adult children, 24 and29, we have dinner together, and
(36:58):
when they were growing up andmy husband was traveling a lot,
the three of us would sit downand have dinner together.
Didn't matter if Alex wascoming home from football or
Grace was coming home fromlacrosse or it was seven 30 at
night.
We're sitting down, we'rehaving dinner, then you can take
showers and do your homeworkand go to sleep, right.
So family is still a big valuefor me and the closeness of
(37:22):
family.
Um, I was also brought up in avery I won't say very religious,
but in a religious environment,like my mother would argue with
the priest like why is this?
Why is that right?
So I kind of love that he'slike a bigger thinker.
And so, while I will say I'mnot as religious sometimes I
(37:44):
joke and say I'm cath light orrecovering Roman Catholic I
still believe in and I believein God.
I use that word People likesource.
Universe still all means thesame thing to me.
Right, it's a higher power thathelps us go forth.
(38:05):
And so I still believe in beinggood to your neighbor, even if
it's maybe monetarily doesn'twork out for me, maybe
monetarily doesn't work out forme.
Um, I still believe involunteering.
I am very philanthropic.
It's important to me, it'simportant.
I make sure it's important tomy children, it's important to
(38:27):
the people I hang out with.
Um, I don't, I don't fear God.
Matter of fact, I was.
I was fired by the Catholicchurch because of what I did and
they I was working for a churchbringing in a theater program
right after COVID.
And I don't really tell peoplewhat I do, unless someone asked
me very pointedly specifically.
(38:49):
Otherwise I'm like oh yeah, I'mjust like an advisor and I just
don't tell people what I do.
I am who, I am like me for me,not for what I do.
And I used to be in thecorporate world, was a big
marketer, huge events, thingslike that, and so I must have
sent an email from my phone andhad my footer on it and I got a
(39:10):
call and they were very upsetthat what I did was against like
Catholic doctrine or something.
And they wrote me this whole bigthing.
And if I want you to hang outwith the priest, not hang out,
but you know they want toconvert me.
So I started laughing and I waslike I'll meet with your priest.
But yeah, you're right, I don'tfear God.
Sorry, I don't.
He talks to me almost every day.
(39:30):
I know that what I get is forme to be a good person.
I still authentically believebe kind, because if you can be
anything in the world, be kind,be good person next to you and,
you know, try and live a goodlife Like so.
I still believe in those things.
(39:50):
I just I don't fear the manupstairs where, um, I guess
that's a big thing in theCatholic church.
I never really realized that,but it is, you know fire and
brimstone.
But I used to say, and um, Idon't think that that person, I
don't think that source is thatway.
I think source gives us a lotof choices.
(40:11):
Um, but when you fear something, you don't question it.
You also don't get close to it,right, like if someone feared
you wouldn't want to have coffeewith you, but you, you know
what's the old adage you getmore you get you get more
vinegar or something Right.
Josh Porthouse (40:30):
Yeah, sure, yep, yeah, yeah, that that is a good
point.
Um, there's, there's a lot ofthings, I think, that get rooted
in fear.
You know, religiously orotherwise, but I mean, we talked
about kids earlier, even yours,right, 29 years old.
Now, 24 years old now there'sstill things they're learning
and don't know right.
And so when you tell them,don't do fill in the blank,
(40:50):
whatever it is or I wouldn't dothat if I were you or however
you phrase it right A lot ofthat probably is coupled with
think about the repercussions,think Right.
A lot of that probably iscoupled with think about the
repercussions, think about whatit's going to do to your future.
I'm not going to tell you,don't?
You're an adult, but you know.
And a lot of that, I think, isrooted in some degree of fear
because it's still unknown andit it gives a sort of an easy
scapegoat for discernment.
(41:13):
I think it's an easy scapegoatfor discernment to stand on fear
because it is a pretty powerfulmotivator.
But I think it's an easyscapegoat for discernment to
stand on fear, because it is apretty powerful motivator.
But I think to your point so isfree will, so is hope.
I mean, the entire GreenLantern Corps is founded on it
in the Marvel universe.
You know so or I don't know,whatever, maybe it's DC, I mix
(41:33):
them all up, but the point isstill the same, right, like
there's so much science fiction,even rooted in that, over
generations, that hope canovercome fear.
Understanding, competency,confidence, helping your
neighbor, philanthropicendeavors Every superhero is a
philanthropist, right.
So, like we said, all of thesesort of cosmic lessons,
(41:55):
generationally,intergenerationally,
cross-generationally that peopletend to figure out without ever
having talked to each other,there's got to be some truth to
it absolutely.
Sallyann Martinez (42:06):
Gratitude is a scientifically proven emotion.
Um and uh, I actually wrote agratitude journal that's based
on different centers of yoursystem, but scientifically there
are 50, 100 studies more thanthat out there about how your
(42:29):
brains and how we look at lifedifferently right, how we
understand the gratitude that wehave in our life can change our
life Like it really can.
I mean, and it's you know, whatI would really encourage
everybody to do is find yourgratitude for today, and it
doesn't have to be likecatastrophic.
It could just be oh my gosh, Ifound my favorite pencil right.
(42:54):
Or, oh, this apple tastes sogood.
And when you can bring thesepositive things into your mind,
they stick All of a sudden youhave more good things in there
than dang another red light.
Josh Porthouse (43:09):
Absolutely, and that's something that's strange
too.
In the last couple of minuteswe've got, I guess that's
something that's strange.
Strange too, because negativityand pessimism drive ratings in
broadcast media and that's whatgets attention right.
Not everybody is turned on bythose topics and so you have a
million, 2 million peoplewatching any given news station
(43:31):
a month.
Let's say Okay, at least in theUnited States.
What happens to the 330 millionother people then if they're
not watching it?
You know what I mean.
There's still way more peoplethat find appeal consciously,
wittingly, unwittingly orsubconsciously in these types of
positive interactions and see abenefit at least individually.
(43:53):
And so I think it's interestingthat if everybody call it 330
million, people find resonanceand positivity that it still
doesn't have a larger footprint,let's say at least in broadcast
media or public discourse oropen conversation at a coffee
shop.
It's strange, I think.
Sallyann Martinez (44:12):
It is.
But I'm also going to tell youthat there's been the earth has
gone through this big shift.
To tell you that there's beenthe earth has gone through this
big shift, and so I'm going totell you that in a year and a
half from this conversation, Iwant you to revisit what you
just said, because by in twoyears, the world's going to
change.
It will get kinder and gentler.
I thought it would happen withinsix months, but some of the
(44:35):
recent events have pushed itback a little.
Um, some of the recent eventshave pushed it back a little,
but, um, when there's thingsthat we don't understand, we go
into fear.
Um, the world will settle.
The energy in the world willcalm us all down.
We'll be able to get bettergrounded, to find ourselves to
(44:55):
um, to understand the worldaround us a little more and stop
being in that fight or flightspace of, of hiding and and
understanding, and the worldwill change.
I see it over and over and overagain.
Every time I go to focus itshows up.
So I'm having the faith and thehope, like the green lantern,
(45:17):
um, that the world would change.
Josh Porthouse (45:21):
Yeah, well, that is powerful.
And so let me ask you this then, one more time, I guess in the
last couple of minutes, to gofrom macro to micro, talking
about the world changing whathave all of these influences
actually done for you and yoursense of self and instigating
your self-worth, having livedthrough all of these things the
last you know, four or fivedecades?
Sallyann Martinez (45:43):
I think for me how it's helped me.
I'm definitely more independent, I'm stronger.
I think I have more of a voice.
I think a lot of my naivetyfrom when I was younger and
(46:04):
trying to make other peoplehappy because that's where I
filled my bucket I think it haschanged so that I understand
that it's really up to otherpeople.
I'm such a big believer in freewill that I will.
I'll do just about anything foryou, um, to help you see what
(46:25):
door you have to walk through tounderstand that that will give
you a better life.
But what I do understand for meis that I can't push you
through that door and make thathappen and as a mother and as a
person growing up in mygeneration, that's a really hard
pill to swallow.
So that was my shift andunderstand that you can be all
(46:48):
you can be and you can encouragepeople to be all that they can
be and you can stand next tothem, but you can't make them
change.
It has to be their choice, andso I have gotten more
understanding about that formyself and who I am.
Yeah, you know it's interesting.
You'll see people reactdifferently.
Do you have time for this quicklittle story?
Josh Porthouse (47:11):
Yeah, sure.
Sallyann Martinez (47:12):
And my brother a couple of months ago.
My brother's like you'vechanged, you need to go to
therapy or something.
And I laughed at him.
I said, oh, babe.
I said no, no, just because I'mchoosing to act differently
than the way that you think Ishould act, or that you've
trained me for all these yearsto react as your sibling.
(47:35):
And now that I've changed andcome into myself and decided to
do things differently cause Ineed to see things differently,
that's, uh, there's nothingwrong with me.
I have no therapy.
I think it's a strong tool thatwe can do to help ourselves.
Um, I said, but you better lookat yourself to see where this
(47:58):
is really coming from.
And he was like huh, and sureenough, you know, all of a
sudden, like the argumentationabout certain things dwindled
and because a lot of times whenpeople say things to us, we also
have to take note, Is thisabout them and I just happen to
be in this place, right?
(48:18):
Or they feel to me in this way?
Is it really mine, like, is itmine to hold?
I'm going to say like, 90% ofthe time, it doesn't belong to
you, it belongs to them.
So in kindness or in love, wecan say wow, that doesn't belong
to me.
I'm not going to take it right,I'm not just going to swallow
it or store it in my legs orwhatever.
(48:39):
I'm going to look at it andrealize, wow, this doesn't
really belong to me.
And then it's easier to haveempathy for other people.
It's like, wow, it's really,I'm going to give you a lot of
love that you think that way,cause I just think differently
and it's okay that I thinkdifferently.
Um, so I'm just going to giveyou the bandwidth to do what you
have to do, but I expect you togive me the bandwidth to
(49:01):
believe what I believe as wellthat's a difficult sort of
balance, isn't it?
Josh Porthouse (49:08):
having the discernment and honesty and
awareness to identify that, butthen between being maybe
dismissive and courteous, Ithink is sort of the I don't
know where the fulcrum is, butthat's the balancing act in
those types of moments, isn't it?
Sallyann Martinez (49:28):
It really is.
I found a lot of people becomedismissive or again go into
fight or flight.
I'm telling you something youdon't want to hear.
So you know as a normalconversation, not with my gift,
um, and go into fight or flight,cause I'm not comfortable with
that.
I'm not comfortable with whatyou're saying and it's going to
(49:48):
take me some time to processthat and hopefully they process
it for themselves and be kindand gentler to the person that
is communicating it, especiallyif you're not doing it in a big
or angry way, I mean even if youare.
I one time I had this, thispresident of the company that
was like so explosive in thismeeting, and I looked at him.
(50:09):
I'm like that must've been areally bad phone call.
You got off on that.
He just hung up the phone.
He was like starting to getcrazy at me.
I'm like this has nothing to dowith me.
Call me when you want to talkabout marketing.
But I left.
He was like and I'm like calmdown this.
Whatever's happening here hasnothing to do with me, Um, and
it's hard to see, right, it'shard to cause.
(50:33):
The world doesn't always giveus permission to see our
greatness.
The world doesn't give uspermission to understand what
works for us or to backourselves.
We have to give ourselvespermission or I want to give all
your guys permission tounderstand.
It's not being selfish, it'sjust understanding your own
(50:55):
grounding, what you need, and tobe aware of what you
authentically need so you cancontinue to be healthy mentally
and physically.
It's not a big trick.
Josh Porthouse (51:08):
Yeah.
Yeah, it's also not that muchof a luxury item as it might
seem to be, and I thinkeconomically it's a relatively
inelastic good.
So I agree with you.
But let me ask you this realquick before we get out of here
Sally, If people want to get intouch with you or follow along
with anything you're putting outonline maybe become a client,
(51:31):
get in touch with you, anythingwhen do people go?
How do they reach out?
Sallyann Martinez (51:35):
Well, thanks for asking, josh.
Everything isHeavensLlightwellnesscom
Heaven's Light Wellness, on allsocial medias.
We have a YouTube channel, youknow.
Click on the website and makean appointment and find space
for yourself, right?
So we have appointments.
Majority of my clients arevirtual.
(51:56):
I have clients all over theworld.
We have appointments.
Majority of my clients arevirtual.
I have clients all over theworld.
So, yeah, so it's the.
I used to say all the Englishspeaking countries, and now I
have clients in Mexico andTaiwan, so it made myself a liar
.
But, yeah, we can do a lot ofthis work on the phone because
there's no time and space whenyou talk to source or heaven.
(52:17):
So, yeah, book an appointment.
That's the best way.
Check us out onheavenslightwellnesscom YouTube,
instagram, tiktok.
We do free angel card pullsevery week, so hopefully you get
a beautiful, positive messagefor yourself.
There's lots of ways to spreadsome love out there.
Josh Porthouse (52:38):
Absolutely Well for anybody who's new to this
show.
Depending on the player you'restreaming this conversation on,
or where you're watching thisvideo, you can click see more.
You can click show more, and inthe drop down description for
this conversation you'll seelinks to Heaven's Light Wellness
, the website and social, andyou'll be able to get in touch
with Sally Ann through there aswell.
For right now, though, I lovethis conversation.
(52:59):
It was super lighthearted, butwe covered some deep topics.
It flowed really well and, likeI brought up in the beginning,
I think it's got a lot to dowith your peppy attitude and
your awesome perspective.
So I appreciate you bringing itwith you into the conversation
and the inspiration that you putout and, obviously, your
ability to clearly communicateit well.
So I guess the only thing Ihave left to say is thanks for
(53:21):
your time.
Sallyann Martinez (53:23):
Oh, thank you .
I'm honored to be part of thisand share some space with you,
Josh.
Josh Porthouse (53:29):
Yeah, yeah, no problem.
I have a feeling we'll be intouch 18 to 24 months.
We'll see where this goes, butto everybody else who tuned into
this conversation and listenedto it, I hope you guys had an
awesome time listening toeverything that Sally Ann
brought up.
I'm going to leave you with onepiece real quick.
Go over to our website,transactingvaluepodcastcom.
When you get to the homepage,on the top right corner of the
(53:52):
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Let us know what you thinkabout the show.
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That's what keeps the worldgoing round, guys.
Feedback's the key Now.
Two, use it to tell Sally Annwhat you think about her message
.
Let her know thoughts ideallyconstructive criticism, but I'm
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Just give her some feedback,guys.
Let her know and insights,experiences, examples, stories,
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(54:33):
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