June 17, 2025 • 25 mins
Columbus, Ohio is undertaking an ambitious $8 billion transit plan known as LinkUS that will transform mobility across the region through 2050. We explore this voter-approved initiative that focuses on BRT corridors, active transportation, and transit-oriented development rather than light rail.
• Three major BRT corridors forming the backbone of the system with plans for more
• Most corridors will feature dedicated bus lanes, off-board fare payment, and signal priority
• 500+ miles of new sidewalks and bikeways planned throughout Columbus
• Focus on transit-oriented development and creating more walkable neighborhoods
• Strong emphasis on equity, with corridors connecting neighborhoods in persistent poverty to essential services
• West Broad Street corridor serves 7 grocery stores, 12 pharmacies, 9 schools, 20 daycares, and 4 hospitals
• East Main Street corridor has 11 of 13 miles in dedicated busways
• All three initial corridors expected to be operational by the early 2030's
• Construction beginning as early as 2026 on the first corridor
If you're in Columbus, visit the LinkUS website to learn more about upcoming public meetings and provide feedback on the plans. You can even experience augmented reality visualizations of the proposed corridors.
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Today we focus on Central Ohio to explore the $8
billion voter-approved LinkUSplan.
This transit vision will bringnew sidewalks, bike lanes, brt
lines and more to the Columbusarea.
Stick around and learn allabout it on this episode of
Transit Tangents.
Hey everybody, and welcome backto this episode of Transit
Tangents.
My name's Chris and I'm Lewis,and today we are diving into a
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city that we really haven'ttalked about in the past on the
podcast Columbus Ohio.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, and this has been.
We've had some requests in thecomments over the last year or
so.
Occasionally Columbus will comeup.
I see articles about differenturbanism type movements and
whatnot going on in Columbus, soexcited to dive in a little bit
more on some interestingtransportation projects they've
got going on.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, so I haven't heard much about Columbus lately
and really what's happeningthere?
So we did a little bit of adeep dive and turns out Columbus
does have a lot going on.
They have recently passed aneight billion dollar transit
transportation plan yeah, andthe election was back in 2024.
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Four okay, yeah, it's veryrecent.
This is the last election 2024.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
um, and a vote passed overwhelmingly to uh bump the
existing sales tax that would gotowards transportation type
projects from a half a cent upto a full cent.
Yep, um, and it passedoverwhelmingly, with something
like 56% of the vote 57%.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, 57% of the vote voted in favor of this.
This is COTA's transit tax.
As you said, it goes from 0.5to 1 cent.
Cota is the Central OhioTransit Authority.
This is the organization who'sresponsible for all of the
public transit in the Columbusmetropolitan area.
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This is a huge investment forCentral Ohio Again, $8 billion
and to put that in perspective,in Austin we're spending $7
billion to build our light rail.
I feel like Columbus is gettingI mean, we're getting a lot out
of our $7 billion light rail.
I feel like Columbus is getting, I mean, we're getting a lot
out of our $7 billion, butColumbus will get a lot for many
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, many years out of theirs.
And similar in comparison tothe cities.
Columbus is also sort of asimilar size to Austin, so I'd
be really curious to see how allthis plays out as they continue
to develop.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Totally and they're taking a different strategy.
So amongst this $8 billion inspending I believe this has
spread out over about 10 yearsin spending as well there is no
dollars going towards like alight rail or a subway or
anything like that, whereas inAustin we're kind of spending a
lot of that money on the lightrail.
We are getting some BRT lightprojects, two lines that just
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opened Exactly two lines thatjust opened.
There will be more coming downthe line as well.
Down the line, there'll be morecoming down the line as well.
Down the line, um.
But instead columbus isfocusing most of their resources
on some of these, like what Iwould call more real brt
dedicated lanes, all this sortof stuff which we'll get into as
well as improvements and thingslike sidewalks and bike lanes,
um, to just give more peoplemore options other than the one
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that is most present in mostamerican cities, which is
driving from everywhere toeverywhere.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the bulk of the spending is
going to happen, kind of likeyou said, in that first 10 years
, but this is really a projectthat's going to span all the way
to 2050, which I say thatthinking like God.
That's a long way away, butit's really not that far away.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I mean it is and it isn't.
I guess I don't know.
It's like 25 years, 25 years.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
In the transit world.
I don't feel like it's that faraway, right right, Especially
in America.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
We don't.
I mean, that's light year speedin the United States as far as
building transit projects.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
unfortunately, I'm going to be 60 years old.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Oh God, I've never thought about that.
I guess I'll be 56.
The gray hair is coming in.
I actually do have a couplegray hairs now, which scares me.
My mom made fun of me for itrecently.
She can't talk though.
All her hair is gray now Sorry,mom when she sees those?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, so this transit plan again shows us the 2050.
As you said, they're focusingreally heavily on BRT lines.
There's sort of three primarycorridors that we're going to
get into a little bit later andwhat those look like.
They're also expanding whatthey call active transit
corridors, which is some of thesystems that they already have
in place, but this also includessidewalks and bike lanes and
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things like that.
They're working to develop over500 miles of sidewalks and
bikeways.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, that's a really important step that so many I
feel like so many cities forgetthat that can be a major
solution.
Even just in the last few yearsliving here in Austin, I've
seen major.
Obviously you have two majorimprovements in the bike
infrastructure and sidewalks,which famously the sidewalks in
a lot of parts of town here arenon-existent literally.
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But in those areas where you'veseen that investment happen, it
is visually noticeable thatmore people are walking, more
people are biking, more peopleare riding their bikes to local
businesses and you'll seebusinesses with bike racks full
in the areas where thatinvestment has come.
So it's nice to see that thatis included in this broader plan
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as well.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, absolutely Very excited to see that there's
also going to be more trails andmore focus on sort of walkable
neighborhoods and on thewalkable neighborhoods.
A significant part of this isalso going towards promoting
transit-oriented developmentsand really trying to encourage
sort of that.
I want to say it's like the15-minute city model that we've
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talked about in the past, butthey're really trying to promote
.
How do we make theseneighborhoods a little more
dense, a little more walkable?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Right, yeah, and before the 15-minute city
conspiracy theorists jump on it,we did an episode about that a
long time ago, actually talkingabout 15-minute cities.
But it's just the concept ofbeing able to, yeah, walk to a
grocery store, walk to a school,walk to a restaurant, walk to a
coffee shop, whatever it may be, and having these little kind
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of neighborhood centers spreadaround throughout your city so
that you don't all have to driveto a giant shopping center
somewhere to be able to go doall your errands.
But if you need to get one ortwo quick things, you can hop on
your bike or walk a coupleblocks to go do it.
And that focus on thetransit-oriented development in
Columbus here is so important asit is everywhere.
We've talked extensively aboutthe importance of housing and
transit and how they gohand-in-hand together.
Your transit system you canbuild it out as great as you
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want, it's never going to beeffective if people don't live
near the stations.
So you know, doing a little bitof transit-oriented development
and then also I forget who saidthis recently in one of our
episodes doing a bit ofdevelopment-oriented transit too
.
Oh, yeah, you know, like youknow, trying to build your
transit to the areas wherethere's already development, but
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also doing it in reverse.
It's like, OK, the transit isgoing to go through this area,
there is some underutilizedspace, old industrial space or
strip malls that are kind ofgoing out of business and
whatnot.
Let's utilize the areas aroundthere.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
That's sort of more of a if you build it, they will
come mentality probably.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So a little bit of everythingand, uh, the, the last sort of
pillar of this plan which we'retalking about, the conspiracy
theory, is coming out.
So now they're really going tocome out when I say the dirty
words, oh god, um, one of the,uh, the last pillars here, is
really this is really uhfocusing on and promoting uh
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equity and sustainability?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
yep, dun, dun, dun, right, yeah, yeah yeah, if there
, if anyone's control effing thetranscript here, we just got
canceled yeah.
But they are taking some effortsto make sure that this transit
project, this whole initiativethat goes through 2050, that it
will serve underservedcommunities and try to bridge
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that gap where these communitieshave sort of been left behind
Right, and that's again animportant step that a lot of
cities that are doing this theright way are taking Making sure
that the right amount of youknow it's really easy for some
of these new developments tojust be exclusively luxury
apartments that get veryexpensive.
But putting the emphasis onmaking sure that affordable
units are included, but alsojust understanding the reality
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that when you build a lot moreapartments and housing Austin is
a great example of that theprice of rent goes down, turns
out.
Supply and demand with housingis a thing.
It's a thing so good to seethat these elements included as
well.
Now we're going to focus in alittle bit more on the BRT
elements of this, the bus rapidtransit corridors.
So initially there will bethree corridors that we'll kind
of dive into in a second.
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Here there are studies beingdone for fourth and fifth in the
kind of short term extensionsto the BRT system and then many
more than that kind of listed asfuture extensions.
But in general the Columbus BRTplan includes quite a bit of
actual dedicated transitinfrastructure where you're kind
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of seeing the top tier of BRT,where you've got real dedicated
lanes center running.
You've got off board farepayment.
I always get that off boardfare.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Off board fare.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, off board fare, just feels it sounds wrong to
me every time I say it.
Anytime we've talked about BRT,I always hesitate at that Signal
prioritization, all the thingsthat essentially help speed up
the process of riding the bus.
If you ride the bus, you knowthis, but if you don't, anytime
a bus pulls up to a stop in mostcities across the United States
right now and around the world,you get on the bus and you pay
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on the bus, and if you've gotfive people walking on,
sometimes the payment doesn'twork right away and the bus is
just sitting there waiting.
So off-board fare payment isreally important, because people
can pay at the platform andthen, when the bus pulls up,
everyone just walks on, thedoors close the bus, drives away
.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, I think that's ideal.
What we have seen lately isthat a lot of cities are really
starting to look at BRT as thealternative to light rail.
I don't love that.
I prefer light rail because wealways say the bus isn't sexy,
but I do think you can make asexy BRT and if you're doing it
the right way, I think you willget the ridership that you need
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to sustain it.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And we'll kind of get into in a little bit like the
timelines for some of this stuff, like hypothetically, and it's
like not that much faster forwhatever reason.
But yeah, you know the ideawith BRTs you should be able to
get them done cheaper and fasterand have a little bit more
flexibility.
A lot of the systems, includinghere, are not necessarily
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beating out that much on speedor what should be, but we have
proven in the United States thatwe're incredibly slow at doing
these things.
We can look at past episodes.
We've talked about the purpleline in Maryland.
That's kind of acting as a bitof a ring route in DC.
I mean that project has beendelayed and delayed and delayed
and delayed costs overruns.
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You can look at several otherlight rail projects across the
country and it's not hard tofind the issues in doing that.
So seeing BRT as an alternative, saving money and and this is
can be a good thing.
But you run into the risk ofbrt creep, which we've talked
about before, where your brtsystem might start out as kind
of a top tier brt system andthen, as the budgets start to
dwindle and time goes on andpushback may come later, it
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turns into just kind of a buswith less stops on it so, yeah,
as we see in houston yeah, yes,houston's a good example of that
, which I know, we said thisbefore we really turns into just
kind of a bus with less stopson it.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, as we've seen in Houston.
Yeah, yes, houston's a goodexample of that, which I know.
We've said this before.
We really need to do a deepdive on all the things that have
happened in Houston.
Also, the last piece of the BRTelement here is that the goal
is to have zero emission busesas well.
I don't know where that fallsin the proposal, if that's a
later addition, what they'reinvesting in electric buses, if
that's a later addition, whatthey're investing in electric
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buses but that is one of theprimary goals of their BRT
system is to have zero emissionsRight and I think that's a
noble goal to have.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
However, like there are a lot of including here in
Austin where we've tried to dozero emission or electric buses
and it has led to delays andissues with kind of
implementation.
So if it ends up getting to apoint where it's like diesel bus
can get this done faster, thenlike you should do it as fast as
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you can Like.
Having a diesel bus runningversus people going in personal
vehicles is already better thanan electric bus.
If we can do the electric busand the technology continues to
get better, that's great.
But I get worried sometimeswhen that is like a primary
focus of some of these thingsand I'm not saying that it's a
primary focus here.
It's a good goal to have, butsomething to consider when
thinking about that sort ofthing.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
You heard it first Lewis hates electrification of
vehicles.
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
It's not true.
It's not true, but it's justlike it can.
Sometimes it can cause moreharm than good, especially in
the short term, while thetechnology is still being
developed.
But with that, let's kind ofdive into a few of the specific
corridors.
So, starting first, we're goingto have the West Broad Street
corridor.
We're going to jump right backinto this episode in just a
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So the west broad streetcorridor is going to be one of
the first brt lines that we'rereally seeing construction
starting on.
This is going to be a 9.3 milecorridor going from Columbus out
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to Rockbrook Crossing Avenue.
Thank you, I could not get thatout for some reason.
Rockbrook Crossing Avenue thisis going to include 17 stations
in total.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Also, about 5.2 miles of this entire stretch is going
to be on dedicated guidewayRight and that dedicated
guideway essentially startsright in downtown Columbus and
then is heading out.
The last four or so miles of itis running in a bit of kind of
like mixed traffic.
You'll probably have some areaswhere you might have a
dedicated lanes or whatever nearthe stops, but it will be
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sharing lanes with traffic andit kind of peters out.
This rockbrook crossing avenue,um, is, uh, definitely an area
where they could do a little bitof transit oriented development
if they wanted to.
But it's starting to enter likewhere the suburbs turn more
rural.
Maybe we'll see some sort ofpark and ride situation.
But there is also a krogergrocery store right at the
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station and it's not the onlygrocery store that is served by
this line yeah, this lineactually has really good
connectivity to a lot ofamenities.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
In total, there are seven grocery stores that are
within walking distance of theline.
There are 12 pharmacies, thereare nine K through 12 schools 20
daycare facilities 20 daycarefacilities.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
And four hospitals, which is really like important.
It sounds like basic stuff andyou even, like you describe
those amenities.
I think that those are almostmore like necessities, oh sure
uh community necessities, yeah,yeah, but I would say, though,
that they are in the unitedstates.
I feel like they're not normalto have all these things
necessarily easily served by aquick bus ride or something, so
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it it's nice to see all of thesekind of major destinations that
people can actually utilize ontheir day-to-day.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Well, and it's places that people absolutely need to
be.
There are.
If we're looking at thedemographics of the area, 76% of
the population that lives sortof on this corridor is in I
guess what they would callliving in perpetual poverty.
So this is a vital link forthese services, these
necessities to get these peopleto daycare, to get these people
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to the hospital, to get thesepeople to a grocery store and do
it in a way that is better thanexists now.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
right, I'm sure there is existing bus service in this
area, but this is improving theday-to-day lives for folks who
will be able to have a morereliable, more frequent bus trip
to get to their daily needs.
Essentially, there's also a lotof potential along this
corridor.
I mean just like scrollingthrough on Satellite View and
looking quite a few strip malls,some actual malls along this
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corridor, and those are areaswhere you know, in a world where
housing costs are going up, youcan build more housing along
this corridor without disruptingexisting neighborhoods, which
is, you run into the people whoare like oh you know, you can't
redo my area, blah, blah, blah,blah.
Well, when you have a kind of adying mall, there's a lot less
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pushback when you're trying toredevelop a dying mall than
there is doing something near asingle family you know home in a
neighborhood and that sort ofthing.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
so lots of potential for this corridor, for sure yeah
, and as far as timeline goes,um, it looks like construction
is going to begin in early 2026,so we're looking at next year,
uh, and then service will becommencing in 2028, okay, so
yeah, it's actually not.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
That's not too bad, it's moving along which is good
to see um.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Also, as far as ridership goes um, in 2024 they
were estimating approximately1.27 million uh linked trips
through this corridor.
By 2045 they are projecting uh2.4 sorry, 2.14 million so I
mean.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Even the 1.27 million annual trips through there is
impressive, like that's a.
That's a high number,especially for a bus line, so
good to see that.
Moving on though, our nextcorridor is the northwest
corridor.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
The northwest corridor is approximately eight
and a half miles of BRT that'sgoing to run from Columbus to
the Bethel Road Park and Ridewhich we were looking at the map
.
I don't think that that existsjust yet, yeah, it'll go to
Bethel Road, though yeah, thiswas there was a locally
preferred alternative that wasintroduced in their initial plan
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.
That's what was actually chosenfor this route, and it's an
interesting route when the lastone seemed like it was
connecting a lot of residentialareas.
This one, it seems like it'sgoing through a lot of sort of
the university.
It's going through somecorporate areas.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
It's connecting stadiums.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
It's like five of the largest sports entertainment
venues in the area will be onthis corridor.
Yeah, so a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, I mean it still leaves, like as with like any
of these kind of like sports andentertainment-y areas.
I feel like in the US there isroom to also do some new things
with the land if you are goingto introduce better transit
through the area that peoplemight take advantage of.
So there's definitely space todo more with the area.
But yeah, looking at it justfrom above it does it feels
funny, but it it makes a lot ofsense that it would be an easy
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place to to actually put thisbrt um, almost 75 of it is
running, uh, in dedicated lanesand when you look at the
alignment on the roads fromabove, it's really clear how
they're able to do that.
It's really wide roads alreadyin areas where the setbacks of
businesses and buildings arereally far back anyway so, and
it's following an existing roadalignment you said it was the
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315.
It's sort of already a majorcorridor, it follows like a
highway out of town which is 315, and then it veers off and I'm
going to butcher this name soyou guys can make fun of me
Olentangy, allentangy River Road, the Oldentangy River,
oldentangy I know that that isvery wrong.
I'm sorry, but we could look itup, but I've already committed
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to it at this point, so yeah,but this is another one.
It seems like there's potentialfor more to happen along this
route, and there's alreadyconnecting alongside the Ohio
State University and all thissort of stuff is definitely a
win.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
So a little bit further behind as far as the
timeline goes.
On this one though, yeah, itlooks like it'll start around
2028, but commence servicesomewhere between 2031 and 2033.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Gotcha, it's kind of the target Gotcha, so a little
bit further behind than thefirst corridor we talked about,
but nevertheless making someprogress towards it, and the
last of the initial corridors isthe east main street corridor.
Uh, this one spans 13 milesfrom columbus out to what was it
?
Reynoldsburg, reynoldsburg,thank you.
From columbus out toreynoldsburg, um this one, 11 of
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the 13 miles are in dedicatedbusways it's really amazing to
see.
Yeah, this corridor is.
It looks a little less densethan the others, but maybe I'm
wrong on this.
This is just from satelliteview.
This is one of the busiestcorridors in the city presently
for transit.
It is kind of a commercialcorridor with a lot of kind of
like smaller car orientedcommercial along the main street
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and then it looks like mostlysingle family homes kind of
flanking either side of the road.
But there is a potential foradditional development along
this line as well.
You still do end up with somelarger strip malls and whatnot,
with big parking lots that couldmake for some good transit
oriented development down theline yep and similarly to the
west broad street corridor, thisis also connecting a lot of
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community necessities.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
You have two hospitals, 24 grocery stores, 17
K through 12 schools.
Yeah, there's a lot, that is alot.
A lot of daycare facilities, 15pharmacies.
So this again busy corridor, alot of things that are here that
you can connect folks to.
Over 60% of the residents thatare within walking distance to
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these stations are againclassified as living in
persistent poverty.
So another vital corridor toconnecting these communities.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Totally.
And you know, beyond thesethree corridors that we're going
to talk about today, there areplans for two more kind of being
studied in the short term andseveral more than that for the
long term, and these would bekind of the bones of what could
potentially become a much largerBRT system.
And when you stack that on topof the other investments that we
talked about at the beginningof the episode, with the active
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transit investments for betterbike lanes and trails and
sidewalks and all this sort ofstuff, it really bodes well for
the future of Columbus.
And while it may not be somefancy rail projects, they're
doing it their own way with BRTand I hope that in a few years
we get to see the fruits of thelabor.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
yeah, I hope so paying off.
Yeah, I will say one last thingon the east main street
corridor is that constructionshould begin around beginning of
2027, with the BRT servicestarting in 2029.
Okay, okay, so also thinkthey're moving, they're coming
up, I mean we'll have three.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Three of these will beoperational by 2030.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Roughly yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
So I mean I'm going to knock on wood for
Columbusites.
What do they call themselvesFor folks from Columbus?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I'm going to knock on wood for folks from.
Columbus Columbacinians,columbacites.
Yes, I don't know what.
Do you call yourself,columbacites?
I don't know what the denonymis for it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, but anyway I would love to make it to
Columbus at some point.
In a previous episode we talkedabout how I really liked we
were talking about ice creamplaces in Austin and I think
this is where we got some of thecolumbus comments and I was
like I don't know if it's local,but I love jenny's ice cream.
And I got some flack from bothchris and uh our my friend bumsy
, who was in the episode with usuh for for liking jenny's more
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than amy's, which is the austinchain, and then I found out that
jenny's is from ohio.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
So um well, jenny can stay in ohio.
That's all I gotta say.
I'm an amy, stand through jenny, jenny's in my, my belly.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I live near one here and I frequent it often,
although it hurts my walletevery time I go because they're
a little pricey, but um, anyway,uh, hopefully we'll make it to
columbus and we'll convert christo your, to your ways with ice
cream, but we'll see um, if youare in the columbus area and you
want to learn more about whatis happening in your city, this
is all being done sort of underthe banner of link us, which I
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was trying to figure out.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
What was the us?
I thought it'd be like link ohfor Ohio or something.
I didn't realize that Columbushas a lot of marketing around
the us at the end so clever.
So link us is clever.
I do like it a lot.
You can go on their website.
There are a lot of publicmeetings scheduled.
There's still a lot ofdiscussion happening about how
the alignments are going to work, what the stations are going to
look like, all of this stuff.
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They also have spent a lot oftime and effort into trying to
show you exactly what thecorridors look like.
If you browse through thewebsite, there's a lot of really
great renderings that show youwhat the dedicated bus lanes
look like.
But they also have donesomething unique that I haven't
really seen transit agencies do,where they're introducing
augmented reality so you can goto these areas, I think, and
actually hold up your phone andsee what it's going to look like
(24:19):
, which is pretty cool no,totally, you know I would say,
use the money on the transit,but you know?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
yeah for sure.
But I'd also say, like, gettinginvolved in some of these
meetings is kind of a fun thingto do.
Um, we've had the chance to goto some of the Project Connect
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They really are in thesecommunity engagement sessions,
like looking for your feedback.
They want to hear it.
So, and if there's things thatyou think they're doing right or
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Tangents Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, I'm saving that dough.
Public transit's where it's at,watch me go.
Today we focus on Central Ohio to explore the $8
billion voter-approved LinkUSplan.
This transit vision will bringnew sidewalks, bike lanes, brt
lines and more to the Columbusarea.
Stick around and learn allabout it on this episode of
Transit Tangents.
Hey everybody, and welcome backto this episode of Transit
Tangents.
My name's Chris and I'm Lewis,and today we are diving into a
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city that we really haven'ttalked about in the past on the
podcast Columbus Ohio.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, and this has been.
We've had some requests in thecomments over the last year or
so.
Occasionally Columbus will comeup.
I see articles about differenturbanism type movements and
whatnot going on in Columbus, soexcited to dive in a little bit
more on some interestingtransportation projects they've
got going on.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, so I haven't heard much about Columbus lately
and really what's happeningthere?
So we did a little bit of adeep dive and turns out Columbus
does have a lot going on.
They have recently passed aneight billion dollar transit
transportation plan yeah, andthe election was back in 2024.
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Four okay, yeah, it's veryrecent.
This is the last election 2024.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
um, and a vote passed overwhelmingly to uh bump the
existing sales tax that would gotowards transportation type
projects from a half a cent upto a full cent.
Yep, um, and it passedoverwhelmingly, with something
like 56% of the vote 57%.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, 57% of the vote voted in favor of this.
This is COTA's transit tax.
As you said, it goes from 0.5to 1 cent.
Cota is the Central OhioTransit Authority.
This is the organization who'sresponsible for all of the
public transit in the Columbusmetropolitan area.
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This is a huge investment forCentral Ohio Again, $8 billion
and to put that in perspective,in Austin we're spending $7
billion to build our light rail.
I feel like Columbus is gettingI mean, we're getting a lot out
of our $7 billion light rail.
I feel like Columbus is getting, I mean, we're getting a lot
out of our $7 billion, butColumbus will get a lot for many
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, many years out of theirs.
And similar in comparison tothe cities.
Columbus is also sort of asimilar size to Austin, so I'd
be really curious to see how allthis plays out as they continue
to develop.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Totally and they're taking a different strategy.
So amongst this $8 billion inspending I believe this has
spread out over about 10 yearsin spending as well there is no
dollars going towards like alight rail or a subway or
anything like that, whereas inAustin we're kind of spending a
lot of that money on the lightrail.
We are getting some BRT lightprojects, two lines that just
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opened Exactly two lines thatjust opened.
There will be more coming downthe line as well.
Down the line, there'll be morecoming down the line as well.
Down the line, um.
But instead columbus isfocusing most of their resources
on some of these, like what Iwould call more real brt
dedicated lanes, all this sortof stuff which we'll get into as
well as improvements and thingslike sidewalks and bike lanes,
um, to just give more peoplemore options other than the one
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that is most present in mostamerican cities, which is
driving from everywhere toeverywhere.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the bulk of the spending is
going to happen, kind of likeyou said, in that first 10 years
, but this is really a projectthat's going to span all the way
to 2050, which I say thatthinking like God.
That's a long way away, butit's really not that far away.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I mean it is and it isn't.
I guess I don't know.
It's like 25 years, 25 years.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
In the transit world.
I don't feel like it's that faraway, right right, Especially
in America.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
We don't.
I mean, that's light year speedin the United States as far as
building transit projects.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
unfortunately, I'm going to be 60 years old.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Oh God, I've never thought about that.
I guess I'll be 56.
The gray hair is coming in.
I actually do have a couplegray hairs now, which scares me.
My mom made fun of me for itrecently.
She can't talk though.
All her hair is gray now Sorry,mom when she sees those?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, so this transit plan again shows us the 2050.
As you said, they're focusingreally heavily on BRT lines.
There's sort of three primarycorridors that we're going to
get into a little bit later andwhat those look like.
They're also expanding whatthey call active transit
corridors, which is some of thesystems that they already have
in place, but this also includessidewalks and bike lanes and
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things like that.
They're working to develop over500 miles of sidewalks and
bikeways.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, that's a really important step that so many I
feel like so many cities forgetthat that can be a major
solution.
Even just in the last few yearsliving here in Austin, I've
seen major.
Obviously you have two majorimprovements in the bike
infrastructure and sidewalks,which famously the sidewalks in
a lot of parts of town here arenon-existent literally.
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But in those areas where you'veseen that investment happen, it
is visually noticeable thatmore people are walking, more
people are biking, more peopleare riding their bikes to local
businesses and you'll seebusinesses with bike racks full
in the areas where thatinvestment has come.
So it's nice to see that thatis included in this broader plan
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as well.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, absolutely Very excited to see that there's
also going to be more trails andmore focus on sort of walkable
neighborhoods and on thewalkable neighborhoods.
A significant part of this isalso going towards promoting
transit-oriented developmentsand really trying to encourage
sort of that.
I want to say it's like the15-minute city model that we've
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talked about in the past, butthey're really trying to promote
.
How do we make theseneighborhoods a little more
dense, a little more walkable?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Right, yeah, and before the 15-minute city
conspiracy theorists jump on it,we did an episode about that a
long time ago, actually talkingabout 15-minute cities.
But it's just the concept ofbeing able to, yeah, walk to a
grocery store, walk to a school,walk to a restaurant, walk to a
coffee shop, whatever it may be, and having these little kind
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of neighborhood centers spreadaround throughout your city so
that you don't all have to driveto a giant shopping center
somewhere to be able to go doall your errands.
But if you need to get one ortwo quick things, you can hop on
your bike or walk a coupleblocks to go do it.
And that focus on thetransit-oriented development in
Columbus here is so important asit is everywhere.
We've talked extensively aboutthe importance of housing and
transit and how they gohand-in-hand together.
Your transit system you canbuild it out as great as you
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want, it's never going to beeffective if people don't live
near the stations.
So you know, doing a little bitof transit-oriented development
and then also I forget who saidthis recently in one of our
episodes doing a bit ofdevelopment-oriented transit too
.
Oh, yeah, you know, like youknow, trying to build your
transit to the areas wherethere's already development, but
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also doing it in reverse.
It's like, OK, the transit isgoing to go through this area,
there is some underutilizedspace, old industrial space or
strip malls that are kind ofgoing out of business and
whatnot.
Let's utilize the areas aroundthere.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
That's sort of more of a if you build it, they will
come mentality probably.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So a little bit of everythingand, uh, the, the last sort of
pillar of this plan which we'retalking about, the conspiracy
theory, is coming out.
So now they're really going tocome out when I say the dirty
words, oh god, um, one of the,uh, the last pillars here, is
really this is really uhfocusing on and promoting uh
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equity and sustainability?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
yep, dun, dun, dun, right, yeah, yeah yeah, if there
, if anyone's control effing thetranscript here, we just got
canceled yeah.
But they are taking some effortsto make sure that this transit
project, this whole initiativethat goes through 2050, that it
will serve underservedcommunities and try to bridge
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that gap where these communitieshave sort of been left behind
Right, and that's again animportant step that a lot of
cities that are doing this theright way are taking Making sure
that the right amount of youknow it's really easy for some
of these new developments tojust be exclusively luxury
apartments that get veryexpensive.
But putting the emphasis onmaking sure that affordable
units are included, but alsojust understanding the reality
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that when you build a lot moreapartments and housing Austin is
a great example of that theprice of rent goes down, turns
out.
Supply and demand with housingis a thing.
It's a thing so good to seethat these elements included as
well.
Now we're going to focus in alittle bit more on the BRT
elements of this, the bus rapidtransit corridors.
So initially there will bethree corridors that we'll kind
of dive into in a second.
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Here there are studies beingdone for fourth and fifth in the
kind of short term extensionsto the BRT system and then many
more than that kind of listed asfuture extensions.
But in general the Columbus BRTplan includes quite a bit of
actual dedicated transitinfrastructure where you're kind
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of seeing the top tier of BRT,where you've got real dedicated
lanes center running.
You've got off board farepayment.
I always get that off boardfare.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Off board fare.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, off board fare, just feels it sounds wrong to
me every time I say it.
Anytime we've talked about BRT,I always hesitate at that Signal
prioritization, all the thingsthat essentially help speed up
the process of riding the bus.
If you ride the bus, you knowthis, but if you don't, anytime
a bus pulls up to a stop in mostcities across the United States
right now and around the world,you get on the bus and you pay
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on the bus, and if you've gotfive people walking on,
sometimes the payment doesn'twork right away and the bus is
just sitting there waiting.
So off-board fare payment isreally important, because people
can pay at the platform andthen, when the bus pulls up,
everyone just walks on, thedoors close the bus, drives away
.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, I think that's ideal.
What we have seen lately isthat a lot of cities are really
starting to look at BRT as thealternative to light rail.
I don't love that.
I prefer light rail because wealways say the bus isn't sexy,
but I do think you can make asexy BRT and if you're doing it
the right way, I think you willget the ridership that you need
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to sustain it.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And we'll kind of get into in a little bit like the
timelines for some of this stuff, like hypothetically, and it's
like not that much faster forwhatever reason.
But yeah, you know the ideawith BRTs you should be able to
get them done cheaper and fasterand have a little bit more
flexibility.
A lot of the systems, includinghere, are not necessarily
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beating out that much on speedor what should be, but we have
proven in the United States thatwe're incredibly slow at doing
these things.
We can look at past episodes.
We've talked about the purpleline in Maryland.
That's kind of acting as a bitof a ring route in DC.
I mean that project has beendelayed and delayed and delayed
and delayed costs overruns.
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You can look at several otherlight rail projects across the
country and it's not hard tofind the issues in doing that.
So seeing BRT as an alternative, saving money and and this is
can be a good thing.
But you run into the risk ofbrt creep, which we've talked
about before, where your brtsystem might start out as kind
of a top tier brt system andthen, as the budgets start to
dwindle and time goes on andpushback may come later, it
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turns into just kind of a buswith less stops on it so, yeah,
as we see in houston yeah, yes,houston's a good example of that
, which I know, we said thisbefore we really turns into just
kind of a bus with less stopson it.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, as we've seen in Houston.
Yeah, yes, houston's a goodexample of that, which I know.
We've said this before.
We really need to do a deepdive on all the things that have
happened in Houston.
Also, the last piece of the BRTelement here is that the goal
is to have zero emission busesas well.
I don't know where that fallsin the proposal, if that's a
later addition, what they'reinvesting in electric buses, if
that's a later addition, whatthey're investing in electric
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buses but that is one of theprimary goals of their BRT
system is to have zero emissionsRight and I think that's a
noble goal to have.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
However, like there are a lot of including here in
Austin where we've tried to dozero emission or electric buses
and it has led to delays andissues with kind of
implementation.
So if it ends up getting to apoint where it's like diesel bus
can get this done faster, thenlike you should do it as fast as
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you can Like.
Having a diesel bus runningversus people going in personal
vehicles is already better thanan electric bus.
If we can do the electric busand the technology continues to
get better, that's great.
But I get worried sometimeswhen that is like a primary
focus of some of these thingsand I'm not saying that it's a
primary focus here.
It's a good goal to have, butsomething to consider when
thinking about that sort ofthing.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
You heard it first Lewis hates electrification of
vehicles.
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
It's not true.
It's not true, but it's justlike it can.
Sometimes it can cause moreharm than good, especially in
the short term, while thetechnology is still being
developed.
But with that, let's kind ofdive into a few of the specific
corridors.
So, starting first, we're goingto have the West Broad Street
corridor.
We're going to jump right backinto this episode in just a
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So the west broad streetcorridor is going to be one of
the first brt lines that we'rereally seeing construction
starting on.
This is going to be a 9.3 milecorridor going from Columbus out
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to Rockbrook Crossing Avenue.
Thank you, I could not get thatout for some reason.
Rockbrook Crossing Avenue thisis going to include 17 stations
in total.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Also, about 5.2 miles of this entire stretch is going
to be on dedicated guidewayRight and that dedicated
guideway essentially startsright in downtown Columbus and
then is heading out.
The last four or so miles of itis running in a bit of kind of
like mixed traffic.
You'll probably have some areaswhere you might have a
dedicated lanes or whatever nearthe stops, but it will be
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sharing lanes with traffic andit kind of peters out.
This rockbrook crossing avenue,um, is, uh, definitely an area
where they could do a little bitof transit oriented development
if they wanted to.
But it's starting to enter likewhere the suburbs turn more
rural.
Maybe we'll see some sort ofpark and ride situation.
But there is also a krogergrocery store right at the
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station and it's not the onlygrocery store that is served by
this line yeah, this lineactually has really good
connectivity to a lot ofamenities.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
In total, there are seven grocery stores that are
within walking distance of theline.
There are 12 pharmacies, thereare nine K through 12 schools 20
daycare facilities 20 daycarefacilities.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
And four hospitals, which is really like important.
It sounds like basic stuff andyou even, like you describe
those amenities.
I think that those are almostmore like necessities, oh sure
uh community necessities, yeah,yeah, but I would say, though,
that they are in the unitedstates.
I feel like they're not normalto have all these things
necessarily easily served by aquick bus ride or something, so
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it it's nice to see all of thesekind of major destinations that
people can actually utilize ontheir day-to-day.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Well, and it's places that people absolutely need to
be.
There are.
If we're looking at thedemographics of the area, 76% of
the population that lives sortof on this corridor is in I
guess what they would callliving in perpetual poverty.
So this is a vital link forthese services, these
necessities to get these peopleto daycare, to get these people
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to the hospital, to get thesepeople to a grocery store and do
it in a way that is better thanexists now.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
right, I'm sure there is existing bus service in this
area, but this is improving theday-to-day lives for folks who
will be able to have a morereliable, more frequent bus trip
to get to their daily needs.
Essentially, there's also a lotof potential along this
corridor.
I mean just like scrollingthrough on Satellite View and
looking quite a few strip malls,some actual malls along this
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corridor, and those are areaswhere you know, in a world where
housing costs are going up, youcan build more housing along
this corridor without disruptingexisting neighborhoods, which
is, you run into the people whoare like oh you know, you can't
redo my area, blah, blah, blah,blah.
Well, when you have a kind of adying mall, there's a lot less
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pushback when you're trying toredevelop a dying mall than
there is doing something near asingle family you know home in a
neighborhood and that sort ofthing.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
so lots of potential for this corridor, for sure yeah
, and as far as timeline goes,um, it looks like construction
is going to begin in early 2026,so we're looking at next year,
uh, and then service will becommencing in 2028, okay, so
yeah, it's actually not.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
That's not too bad, it's moving along which is good
to see um.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Also, as far as ridership goes um, in 2024 they
were estimating approximately1.27 million uh linked trips
through this corridor.
By 2045 they are projecting uh2.4 sorry, 2.14 million so I
mean.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Even the 1.27 million annual trips through there is
impressive, like that's a.
That's a high number,especially for a bus line, so
good to see that.
Moving on though, our nextcorridor is the northwest
corridor.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
The northwest corridor is approximately eight
and a half miles of BRT that'sgoing to run from Columbus to
the Bethel Road Park and Ridewhich we were looking at the map
.
I don't think that that existsjust yet, yeah, it'll go to
Bethel Road, though yeah, thiswas there was a locally
preferred alternative that wasintroduced in their initial plan
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.
That's what was actually chosenfor this route, and it's an
interesting route when the lastone seemed like it was
connecting a lot of residentialareas.
This one, it seems like it'sgoing through a lot of sort of
the university.
It's going through somecorporate areas.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
It's connecting stadiums.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
It's like five of the largest sports entertainment
venues in the area will be onthis corridor.
Yeah, so a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, I mean it still leaves, like as with like any
of these kind of like sports andentertainment-y areas.
I feel like in the US there isroom to also do some new things
with the land if you are goingto introduce better transit
through the area that peoplemight take advantage of.
So there's definitely space todo more with the area.
But yeah, looking at it justfrom above it does it feels
funny, but it it makes a lot ofsense that it would be an easy
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place to to actually put thisbrt um, almost 75 of it is
running, uh, in dedicated lanesand when you look at the
alignment on the roads fromabove, it's really clear how
they're able to do that.
It's really wide roads alreadyin areas where the setbacks of
businesses and buildings arereally far back anyway so, and
it's following an existing roadalignment you said it was the
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315.
It's sort of already a majorcorridor, it follows like a
highway out of town which is 315, and then it veers off and I'm
going to butcher this name soyou guys can make fun of me
Olentangy, allentangy River Road, the Oldentangy River,
oldentangy I know that that isvery wrong.
I'm sorry, but we could look itup, but I've already committed
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to it at this point, so yeah,but this is another one.
It seems like there's potentialfor more to happen along this
route, and there's alreadyconnecting alongside the Ohio
State University and all thissort of stuff is definitely a
win.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
So a little bit further behind as far as the
timeline goes.
On this one though, yeah, itlooks like it'll start around
2028, but commence servicesomewhere between 2031 and 2033.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Gotcha, it's kind of the target Gotcha, so a little
bit further behind than thefirst corridor we talked about,
but nevertheless making someprogress towards it, and the
last of the initial corridors isthe east main street corridor.
Uh, this one spans 13 milesfrom columbus out to what was it
?
Reynoldsburg, reynoldsburg,thank you.
From columbus out toreynoldsburg, um this one, 11 of
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the 13 miles are in dedicatedbusways it's really amazing to
see.
Yeah, this corridor is.
It looks a little less densethan the others, but maybe I'm
wrong on this.
This is just from satelliteview.
This is one of the busiestcorridors in the city presently
for transit.
It is kind of a commercialcorridor with a lot of kind of
like smaller car orientedcommercial along the main street
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and then it looks like mostlysingle family homes kind of
flanking either side of the road.
But there is a potential foradditional development along
this line as well.
You still do end up with somelarger strip malls and whatnot,
with big parking lots that couldmake for some good transit
oriented development down theline yep and similarly to the
west broad street corridor, thisis also connecting a lot of
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community necessities.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
You have two hospitals, 24 grocery stores, 17
K through 12 schools.
Yeah, there's a lot, that is alot.
A lot of daycare facilities, 15pharmacies.
So this again busy corridor, alot of things that are here that
you can connect folks to.
Over 60% of the residents thatare within walking distance to
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these stations are againclassified as living in
persistent poverty.
So another vital corridor toconnecting these communities.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Totally.
And you know, beyond thesethree corridors that we're going
to talk about today, there areplans for two more kind of being
studied in the short term andseveral more than that for the
long term, and these would bekind of the bones of what could
potentially become a much largerBRT system.
And when you stack that on topof the other investments that we
talked about at the beginningof the episode, with the active
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transit investments for betterbike lanes and trails and
sidewalks and all this sort ofstuff, it really bodes well for
the future of Columbus.
And while it may not be somefancy rail projects, they're
doing it their own way with BRTand I hope that in a few years
we get to see the fruits of thelabor.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
yeah, I hope so paying off.
Yeah, I will say one last thingon the east main street
corridor is that constructionshould begin around beginning of
2027, with the BRT servicestarting in 2029.
Okay, okay, so also thinkthey're moving, they're coming
up, I mean we'll have three.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Three of these will beoperational by 2030.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Roughly yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
So I mean I'm going to knock on wood for
Columbusites.
What do they call themselvesFor folks from Columbus?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I'm going to knock on wood for folks from.
Columbus Columbacinians,columbacites.
Yes, I don't know what.
Do you call yourself,columbacites?
I don't know what the denonymis for it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, but anyway I would love to make it to
Columbus at some point.
In a previous episode we talkedabout how I really liked we
were talking about ice creamplaces in Austin and I think
this is where we got some of thecolumbus comments and I was
like I don't know if it's local,but I love jenny's ice cream.
And I got some flack from bothchris and uh our my friend bumsy
, who was in the episode with usuh for for liking jenny's more
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than amy's, which is the austinchain, and then I found out that
jenny's is from ohio.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
So um well, jenny can stay in ohio.
That's all I gotta say.
I'm an amy, stand through jenny, jenny's in my, my belly.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I live near one here and I frequent it often,
although it hurts my walletevery time I go because they're
a little pricey, but um, anyway,uh, hopefully we'll make it to
columbus and we'll convert christo your, to your ways with ice
cream, but we'll see um, if youare in the columbus area and you
want to learn more about whatis happening in your city, this
is all being done sort of underthe banner of link us, which I
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was trying to figure out.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
What was the us?
I thought it'd be like link ohfor Ohio or something.
I didn't realize that Columbushas a lot of marketing around
the us at the end so clever.
So link us is clever.
I do like it a lot.
You can go on their website.
There are a lot of publicmeetings scheduled.
There's still a lot ofdiscussion happening about how
the alignments are going to work, what the stations are going to
look like, all of this stuff.
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They also have spent a lot oftime and effort into trying to
show you exactly what thecorridors look like.
If you browse through thewebsite, there's a lot of really
great renderings that show youwhat the dedicated bus lanes
look like.
But they also have donesomething unique that I haven't
really seen transit agencies do,where they're introducing
augmented reality so you can goto these areas, I think, and
actually hold up your phone andsee what it's going to look like
(24:19):
, which is pretty cool no,totally, you know I would say,
use the money on the transit,but you know?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
yeah for sure.
But I'd also say, like, gettinginvolved in some of these
meetings is kind of a fun thingto do.
Um, we've had the chance to goto some of the Project Connect
meetings or, you know, going inand getting involved and meet
some of your local leaders andwhatnot.
They really are in thesecommunity engagement sessions,
like looking for your feedback.
They want to hear it.
So, and if there's things thatyou think they're doing right or
(24:44):
wrong, go and tell them,because there will be people who
may oppose these sorts ofprojects, who have the time to
go show up at these sorts ofthings.
So, definitely important to getinvolved.
But, um, if you like this video,please consider giving it a
thumbs up.
We appreciate it.
It helps us out quite a bit.
Giving it a thumbs up, givingit a like that was a weird way
of saying the same thing.
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(25:04):
If you want to support the showdirectly, you can do so via our
patreon or checking out themerch down below.
But, but without further ado,thank you all.
So much for watching and enjoythe rest of your Transit.
Tangents Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, I'm saving that dough.
Public transit's where it's at,watch me go.
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