The Trauma Within Exploring Identity and Travel as a Queer Black Woman W/ Tracy

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
on a mission to spread her sex positive skills
and education.
At a national level, tracy'scareer path has led her to cotr,
incorporated, where she servesas a product education director
and certified sex educator,working alongside company
founder and CEO, alicia Sinclair, tracy is proud to represent

(00:32):
the female led manufacturer ofcutting edge premium pleasure
products brands, with her sightsset on promoting sexual health
and wellness, self-care andacceptance of all gender
identities and sexualities forall ages.
Tracy's future goals includeeducating their community in
addition to the adult industry.
Tracy believes that byembracing oneself sexually and

(00:54):
sharing that with a partner orpartners, that is the key to a
happy sex life.
Her motto is share love, giveand receive unlimited pleasure.
Y'all, tracy Fabulous.
I'm excited for thisconversation.
I think it's right on timebecause both of us got trips
coming up, so always stay ready.

(01:18):
So my first question to you Ithink it might be the first
question, and the last questionof the show is all my favorites.
So the first question is whoare you?

Speaker 2 (01:33):
That is a great question.
Who am I?
I am a person that lives inDetroit and am recently married.
Detroit and am recently married.

(01:54):
I like for work purposes sexeducator product education
director for the company calledCOTR.
I'm also a yoga teacher as well.
Teach hot yoga, 26 and 2.
It's such a grounded experienceto say like for someone to ask
me who am I right?
But I think I am a person thatreally has experienced so much
from moving out of Philadelphia,traveling in general, since I

(02:21):
started traveling for thiscompany, and just like since I
started traveling for thiscompany and just like
identifying myself as queerblack no-transcript, that I

(03:12):
think that I am that person ofjust like change and constantly
evolving while we areexperiencing so much right now,
like so much.
So I think that's who I am.
Of course, you know, of course,again, that queer black woman

(03:33):
that also identifies withpronouns, with they, them as
well, because there's times whenI do not feel my femininity and
there's times when I also don'tfeel my masculinity.
I just feel and be so beingthat person.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, just existing.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
You know, just like being alive right now it's hard,
it's hard, it's hard.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
How did we meet?

Speaker 2 (03:59):
I think it was at a trade show, the big
manufacturing trade show that wehave in LA in Amney.
It's called Amney and you werewith the Spectrum team.
Shout out to Spectrum, shoutout to Jolie, shout out to Dirty
Lola.
You were coming in with thecrew and y'all sat down and had

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a meeting with our founder,alicia Sinclair.
That finds the created a COTR,and you were just like hi, like
what's up?
And I was like hello, and youjust like had this light and
ball of energy and just liketalk to me Like we have.
We were just picking up fromlast week, two days ago and I'm

(04:47):
like who is this person?
and they're like oh, this is jim, and nika um she's trauma I
don't work, I know right, shedoesn't work for spectrum like.
She's just like so clean andthat was the other thing.
I was just like I want to bearound these.
I was like this is like honingin on on like who family is, and
I was just like this is likethe family, this is the tribe

(05:09):
that I've like been striving tobe like.
Oh, I gotta be a part of thistribe.
I'm strong, strong, powerfulwomen.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
I'm like, yes, and also gets up my weirdness vibes
too.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
So that was the other thing I'm weird, we're cute and
weird, we're weird out thesestreets.
We be cute and weird out herein these streets.
And, um, you just startedtalking to me, like like we were
just talking yesterday or justlike continuing the phone
conversation, and I was just sodrawn to your energy and your
spirit and that smile and thegap and like the whole, like I
was just like, oh, this is me,you, you me, I'm you, you, me,
me, you.

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Like that's how we were and Ithink I'm pretty sure that's how
we met.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
And from there I was just like I want to be around
you and like say let me tell you, when Tracy gets in her bag and
she gets giggly, she just bepopping up next to you like
I'm'm here, let's go.
I'd be like, uh-uh, whoactivated her?
Who gave her some?
Who gave her tequila?
Who gave her a beverage?
She activated.
That is very true.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
It's like a button gets pushed somewhere.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
I love between you and Dirty Lil.
I'd be like stop giving themshit.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yes, don't give them candy, don't give them candy.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
It's true, it's true.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
What does trauma mean to you?
The feeling of it is themeaning.
For me, it starts there.
It makes me constipated, itmakes me dehydrated, it gives me
anxiety, it gives me insomnia,really, really bad and as I get

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older and I'm walking intoperimenopause, it's even more
heightened because of just thesensitivity, the remembrance of
trauma or triggers that justlike happen, non-intrusive or
intrusive, right, right and um,yeah, it's, it's the in the

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meaning of trauma to me meanslike there is a lot of feeling
going on in the body, a lot ofunrest, and it really just it.
It's just a shitty feeling,like you feel like you're sick,
like you feel like you're ill,you're gonna vomit or not vomit,
and it really just makes mefeel just all of the negative,
the ooey gooey, like I don'twant to be a part of that, like

(07:52):
it just sits there and just islike that.
So I think that's the meaningfor me.
It's really about the meaningof feeling and trauma and the
awareness of it, like how can welike what am I doing to like
focus on relieving it or likegetting away from it, being
around, like you know, justremoving myself from that space?

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Well, today we're talking about something we do
all the time baby TWB.
And if y'all don't know whatthat is you about to learn today
, okay, message will bedelivered.
Twb is Traveling While Black,and you know what we is Black we
black, we is black.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
If you didn't know, we's black.
Surprise, surprise.
If you heard me on a podcast,shocker.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
I can't See.
I already knew this was goingto be a time today, and I love
it.
I'm so excited.
Traveling has been somethingthat I didn't really start doing
as much until I got into, like,the sex ed industry when I was
like 28.
Mom was about to be 37.
And by the time you hear this,I will be 37.

(08:59):
You could still send birthdaygifts, but I didn't know what it
really was like, and then Istarted traveling by myself,
which is a whole nother journey.
So my first question out oflike getting into this traveling
is what was the first trip thatyou ever took that you can
remember?

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Oh, before before being in the industry, or Just
when you was black.
Oh, just when I was black.
Okay, wow, um, it was a child.
You know what?
I'll start with my one of myfavorite ones my childhood trips
with my mom and my sister.
My mom is single mom andraising two young little black

(09:44):
girls worked a lot um, we didn'ttravel much.
If we did, we probably went tolike the jersey shore, because
I'm from philadelphia originallyin south jersey, so, um,
traveling to the jersey shore,wildwood, those places, they
were probably the most um likefun things to do, because it was

(10:05):
only like a 45 minute, you know, quick drive um to the to the
shore.
Um, memorable moments.
Um, but I think my most umfavorite moment um was doing
more like staycations.
Um, so my mom would surprise mysister and I and take us to a
really nice hotel and we wouldjust, and it was just like like

(10:30):
within like 20 minutes, 15minutes of where we lived.
And it was just that wonderfulexperience of like going
somewhere where it was just likewe didn't have to clean, we
didn't have to cook, we didn'thave like those you know
responsibilities or day-to-dayresponsibilities at all, just to
like just really relax.
And there was a pool and therewas a restaurant next door to it

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and like we lived our quoteunquote lavish life of like
going to these hotels and justlike having our staycation.
And I think that was the mostmemorable times because that's
when my mom was just like, ifIcation, and I think that was
the most memorable times becausethat's when my mom was just
like, if I can't get us outthere because I can't afford it,
I'm gonna get us somewhere.
And that was like your firsthotel experience was just really

(11:17):
memorable for me and I justappreciated it so much because I
was just like this is not myhome.
This is a new home that I canlike.
This is this is not my home.
This is a new home that I cancreate, tear up, make a mess, um
, and then walk out and be likeoh someone else is going to
clean it for me, like, oh youknow um getting into the pool
and staying in there for hourson end, you know?

(11:40):
Eating you know, fancy foods orjust something basic like a
cheeseburger and watching movieson the TV.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
And then we just go home, like the next day, and we
just be like.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
that was the most funnest experience for me and I
still love it to this day where,like I think about that, where
I go to a hotel and I'm justlike man, this is something that
my mom was able to create forus and really make just a
blooming experience out of it.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, I remember when I was younger we would go to
Texas Okay, because that's wheremy elder lady, my boo Cheryl,
that's where our family was fromand I'd be like, why do we have
to keep coming to this hot assplace?
But those memories and beingable to look back and like see
it, yeah, like the photos andshit, like that is like you,

(12:31):
like you said, those are likethe small things that like we
hold on to.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
But also it it kind of felt like when I was younger,
and maybe for you as well, thatit felt like like traveling was
a bit classist because itwasn't always affordable.
Like I remember like growing upand kids were like, oh, we went
away for like two weeks andblah, blah, blah, and I'm like
two weeks Right, y'all was justcatching flights for two weeks.

(12:59):
That's wild.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Right, like you don't have to go to summer camp camp,
like someone doesn't have to,like stay home and watch you
like like the the adventures.
Or like you can go to disneyworld for like two weeks like
girl, not me I still ain't beento disney world I don't want to
go I don't want to attend, okay.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Well, guess what?
I guess what I'm not.
I'm not going to call you whenI book it, that's okay.
Traveling has been such aninteresting thing.
When was the first time youtraveled by yourself?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I think it was.
I think it was when I wentthrough my first divorce or
separation with my very firsthusband.
I only have two now.
This is my second one, so I'mtrying.
There was like oh, how many Iknow.
No, no, no.
Second one, and it's groundedand here it's dead.

(13:59):
I went to Vegas for the firsttime and I wanted to move there.
I wanted to live like a Vegasshowgirl, like you know, live
the entertainment lifestyle andthe desert was calling.
Also had like a very favoritebook, which is Fear and Loathing

(14:20):
in Las Vegas by Hunter SThompson.
So just like, I guess, rebellinga lot, like letting go and
doing whatever the hell youwanted to do out in Vegas
because it was the city of sin,and then be like I can live here
and like, do all of the thingsand party the rest of my life
and I remember that was my firsttime because I was.

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Also I rented a car for thefirst time.
I did not know about insuranceand all this other scamming
things that car rental companiesdo, Like there was just so many
things and traveling on a planeand like I was just like, okay,
this is, this is a vibe.
I don't know if I want to stayhere in Vegas, but this is
definitely something that calledout.

(15:02):
Vegas is something it literallycalled out to me.
Now as now.
I have good friends that liveout to me.
Vegas is something it literallycalled out to me Now.
I have good friends that liveout there.
Would I live there now?
Absolutely not.
I have good friends that liveout there.
They do fantastic out there.
I freaking love them and Icommend them for doing it, but
for me, I don't know, not somuch.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
I've aged out of that Interesting thing.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
I go to bed at 8.30 and be like I've aged out of
that interesting thing.
Yeah, I go to bed at like 8.30and be like whoo, I've lived.
I've lived Seeing the things.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
I always ask my friends because I'm only
recording with my friends andpeople that I really adore,
because I get to learn newthings about them I always ask
like, what do you want to talkabout?
Because I don't want to be like, come on, we're going to talk
about this.
Because I don't want to be like, come on, we're going to talk
about this.
And you're like what girl?
Today you fielded it and youwas like traveling while black.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
What brought you to want to talk about that today?
So I've been traveling a lot.
Like last year I did like a lotof retailer tours.
You was out, I did like 70tours, like 70.
Look, I'm not Beyonce and Idon't know how she even does it.
You know she's rich.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Well, that too yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
There's a lot to play in that I'm a little poor, okay
, but I still travel, like that,you know.
In any case, you got a fullstaff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got a dog.
That's In any case, I got.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got a dog.
I think that I traveled so muchthat, like my experiences of

(16:36):
being in places that were justlike at least terrifying or like
, why did I make this decision?
Why did I make this decision togo, or, you know, you, you know
, for work you have to be thereand you're just like, you know,
never again in certain spaces,but just like the things that

(16:58):
I've seen and the places I'vebeen, and again, just like
reverting back to me, it's beinglike that chameleon of being
able to be in spaces where therewas maybe some trauma and there
was also just pleasure at thesame time.
You know so, and with me beingthe only person in my family
that really travels, has been,you know, works in the adult

(17:21):
industry.
It's very eye-opening and it'salso kind of I don't want to say
addictive, but it's a runner'shigh.
You want to do it more and moreand more and more you want to
see the world, more you want tostudy the world, more you want
to meet new people, you want totry new things, eat foods, have

(17:43):
pleasure in different places theworld, more.
You want to meet new people,you want to try new things, eat
foods you know, have pleasure indifferent places, like shit in
different places, like the wholenine, like there's a lot of
things right, taking yoga indifferent places too, um, and
that that is my safe space, myyoga is my safe space.
So, um, knowing that I havethose spaces available for me to

(18:05):
go out and do this stuff, Ithink it's important to
continuously talk about it.
When people are especiallypeople of color BIPOC people,
black people are thinking aboutgetting into this, into travel.
Yeah, and we see this now onthe internet of, like you know,
black travel feeds and stufflike that.

(18:26):
I, I it's like where is?
Like it's fun to put all thereels up, but like, where's the
real, real, like what do I needto really prepare myself if I'm
going into this space?
That some of these people don'teven speak english, like the
fuck.
Like.
So, really, I think it wasimportant to have this
conversation about this sopeople don't feel, don't get

(18:49):
fear, but they're just more likeaware, and awareness is that's
the key.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
That's the key of it.
When you say you did 70 tourslast year, cause that number
already just sounds wild.
What does that mean Like?
What does that look like?

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, so that looks like um, a tour can consist of
like I can be in a city or statewhere I, you know, just like
tour, just like a um, a musicianor comedian or you know a
writer, activist, anybody thatyou know tours around where
they're just really taking overyou know certain cities and

(19:25):
performing right or educating.
And then that's what I do, likeI go to different retailers,
stores that carry our productsfor B-Vibe, luana the cowgirl,
and talk about, you know,product education, product
knowledge, help build sales,help with merchandising.
Also talk about sex ed 101,just the basics.

(19:48):
So that way people feelcomfortable, excuse me, that are
coming into this space that areselling these items that you
know they also feel grounded,that they are selling these
pieces that you know they cantalk about confidently,
consensually and you know makesome good selling numbers,
especially if you're and youknow make some good sailing
numbers, especially forcommission.
You can make some really goodmoney off of selling some sex

(20:09):
toys nowadays, slinging dicks,slinging dicks and things,
Slinging dildos.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
You know, I used to say, like what you've been up to
, I'm like you know the samething, Just traveling and
slinging dildos.
Like what now?
You said what.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Dildo like what?
Now you said what dill, dill adoe a dial a doe a dial, though.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Do people like when, when you're out traveling, and
people like, oh well, what doyou do?
Do people have like a gasp?

Speaker 2 (20:35):
and they're like, oh my god yeah, I think that in
this, in this space, I now evenmore so again, traveling while
black and being in an industrythat is heavily either
scrutinized or praised, right,you got to find I found like

(20:56):
tricks of the trade to where,like, if I do not feel like I'm
in a safe space or in a safeconversation or I'm not giving
you my consent to even talkabout the job that I do, then I
find ways to like reword what Ido.
So like, let's just say, on abasic level, on a non-sexual or
a non-pleasurable level, peopleask, like what do you do for a

(21:18):
living?
I say, oh, I sell small motoredparts.
Know, I go around educatingstores and really talk about the
motored parts and the functionsand the features, so that way
they can be able to sell, youknow, these items to different
people, consumers.
Um, and I was in, I was inoklahoma when I, I remember, had

(21:42):
to say that recently and I feltbad because when I continued to
have the talk with the personhe was a white gay man and I did
not know he was gay until, like, later on down the line.
I was like I'm sorry, wait aminute, let's start back off.
Do you need something for yourhome?
Yes, yes.
Then I was like let's startback all over again.
Be about it Right, right, likelet's, let's start back, right,

(22:07):
right, and I, I was in thatspace where, like, it was like
um, a whole bunch of like um,what was it was an auction going
on and there was a whole bunchof white men and you know they
were selling like oiled items,small motored parts that were
like cost billions of dollars,like the whole nine, and I was
just like this is like middleamerica, like I'm by myself.
I need to be careful of likewhat I say.
You know um, where, as opposedto, if I'm like in New York and

(22:30):
I'm at this like poshy, you knowrestaurant, and I'm sitting at
the bar and the bartender is,you know, giving vibes and I'm
giving vibes, then I'm going tobe like, okay, so this is, this
is the tea, this is exactly whatI do.
You know sex educator, producteducation, know, director for
this company.
You know, I'll even add in,like I'm a yoga teacher, because
sometimes even a yoga teachercan be very, can be exploited.

(22:56):
You know, in a space where youknow people can fetishize.
You know someone that isflexible, as opposed to like
understanding the word strong.
Okay, check yourself, becareful, cause I will still
protect you and Jack you.
Okay, I will one or the other.
Okay, I will help you protectyour neck, but I will still Jack
your neck and it is but givingthat person like then giving

(23:26):
consent for myself to be able tofeel like checking the boxes Am
I in a safe space?
Am I in a public space?
Where is my room?
Am I hydrated?
Am I not drinking, like all ofthose things to make sure before
I walk into that space.
And saying like who I am?
That's kind of like I figureout, like what I tell people
into that space.
And saying like who I am,that's kind of like how I like
figure out, like what I tellpeople in that space.

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I mean, in Europe, just anexample, no one talks about what
you do.
Like that's rude to ask someonewhat do you do?

Speaker 1 (23:55):
It really is.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
So, like I appreciate Europe in that space because
then, like I don't have to feeljudged, that person can ask me
who I am and find out who am Iright, as opposed to like what I
do for a living.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, yeah, we definitely lean into like how do
we make money?
And it's like a status thing.
It's like well, what do you do?
Let me see what you do.
But in other places they'relike how do you find joy?
And we're always like wait whatyou want to just know what
makes me giggle hold on.
I didn't wow, I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Thank you so much for asking right, right, let's talk
about fashion, let's talk aboutyour style.
What do you think about thisfood?
Like you know, such a beautifulday and like we'll we'll talk
like for hours, just about, likeweather, you know, and I really
appreciate that in being inthose spaces because, like you
know, here it's just likeeverything's about capitalism,

(24:52):
and it really is, and it's amess.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
When did you get your first passport, uh?

Speaker 2 (25:00):
that's a good question too.
I think I was in I know I wasin my twenties.
It was when I was with my firsthusband.
We went to Mexico and we neededto get a passport and went to
play at one of the playas Playadel Carmen or something like
that, and we needed a passport,and I remember my first one

(25:22):
being in Mexico and I was justlike this is pretty, this is
pretty jazz.
Like this is cool.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Most of my family hasn't like traveled, yeah same.
And so, like the idea of megetting a passport, they were
like what are you getting apassport for?

Speaker 2 (25:36):
I said so I can leave .

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Exactly what do you mean?
And it was like it's wild thatthat, like I think about it now
and like I knew people growingup, they would just, like you
know, be outside and I I justwas like, before I turned 30, I
need to make sure I have apassport.
Like I felt like I had to setthat goal for myself because it

(26:00):
wasn't around me.
Yeah, and then, like trying tohelp my family get passports,
they're like, well, I don'treally need one.
I was like you might like let'stry.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
And it was when I got married.
We decided to cause.
We were like we're not invitinglike 300 people, I'm not paying
for this ridiculous, you knowwedding fees.
But to each his own.
Whoever wants to do it like, gofor it, but it's just not.
It's just not.
For me, it was just like okayeveryone like I had saw my

(26:30):
family like we're gettingmarried in Mexico, you have to
get a passport, and they werejust like what I'm?
Like, yeah, we're going to gooutside of the country and
experience some things and Ithink I feel like I'm.
I'm definitely the catalyst ofthe family black sheep, for sure
, catalyst, definitely.
People live a lot ofvicariously through me.
That's the other thing.

(26:51):
So it was definitely somethingwhere I was just like if you're
not joining in on this, thenyou're going to miss out and
that's on you.
However, I did have family thatcame and they enjoyed it and
now they're just like I'm soglad that I have a passport.
I get to, you know, you know,experience spaces where I've
never thought I would even thinkto do.

(27:12):
And if people like people inlike south jersey philly area,
we like just go to jersey shorelike we good, we good, that's
all we need.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
So like I need more.
It makes us better people tolike, go and see, like outside
of ourselves, yes, I think alsolike in this country by role.
Um, we think we better thaneverybody.
This country is wild honey andI said, if you don't go
somewhere to spain and get asiesta, yes, okay, humble

(27:44):
yourself, shut it down.
They shut it down.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Go rest.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yes, go rest, take a nap.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Take your ass and nap .
How come we don't?
I'm like my goodness, if Ihadn't known that, maybe I would
have been a more crankierperson, I don't know.
But like the fact that peoplego and rest during the middle of
the day and can pick back upand work or do whatever they
need to towards, likecontinuously, to the like end of
the night, like to midnight,like that is my jam, this is I

(28:12):
totally want to take a nap andbe able to, like get back up and
do my job.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
so it is interesting, for sure, for sure.
When I, when I went to spain afew years ago, I was like, oh,
first off, y'all don't eatdinner till 10.
I was because it's becausey'all taking naps yeah, taking
naps, but they have a big lunch,that's the other thing.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Like a small little cup of coffee and, you know,
like a small little thing forbreakfast Lunch is huge.
Like lunch is like a six coursemeal Like that.
You go ham on lunch.
Then you're so tired, Okay,your body's like we're going to
go nap time.
We're going to take a nap.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
That's not the day I'm walking.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yes, that too right.
All the steps and the stairs,and I got in a lot of steps.
I love it because sometimeswhen I don't get yoga, then I'm
like sorry, I got to mess up,sit equal for a class, but then
like they have this nap, andthen you wake up and you're like
, oh my God, I'm ready tocontinue the rest of my day,

(29:08):
have a small little nosh atnighttime, because you're not
even supposed to be eating bigplates anyways, before going
right back to bed.
So like our states are likeawful.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
You kind of touched on both of these things, but,
like, what has it been liketraveling alone?
But as a black woman or in abody that presents as a feminine
body, I will, um, I honey babyit.
It is a different experienceand what has that been like for

(29:39):
you?

Speaker 2 (29:40):
oh, gosh, uh, it's, it's to each his own.
Sometimes it's really greatbecause it's for one where you
can find your community,especially in a space that is
predominantly white, and youfind someone that is of color

(30:00):
and you're like hi.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
You see me, I see you , you see me right.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, I see you, you see me, you know.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
So that is like really connecting and drawing,
even though you still got to becareful because you don't know
if they've been whitewashed bysociety and things of that
nature.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
So you still got to be, you know, careful.
And then it can also be reallyscary where it's in spaces where
someone next to you has beenassaulted or there are police
involved, or police arefollowing you or so many things

(30:47):
are coming up, or just walkingback towards your hotel or going
down the hallway in your roomand someone that is bigger than
you, you know, I'm tiny, tiny,five, one tiny, but mighty,
watch it.
Let me tell you, tiny, five,one tiny, but mighty, watch it.

(31:07):
Um, let me tell you, you know,and you're walking down the same
hallway and that person isbehind you, um, or walking down
the street in this in a big cityand just like not being aware
of your, all of yoursurroundings, because you just
don't know your, uh, you don'tknow really where you are, so
you gotta watch your six, youknow.
There's just so many thingsthat make it so terrifying.

(31:27):
And because black women arebeing targeted, killed,
kidnapped on the most highestpercentage level in the history
of mankind, it is very, veryscary, um, yeah, and you try all
of the things that you can toprotect yourself and it's.

(31:50):
I think it's utterly bullshitthat you can't bring um if
you're flying, you know youcan't bring, you know, certain
mace or a small little pocketknife.
You know the things that you'renot allowed to bring.
In new york, you're not allowedto carry mace.
Um, it is illegal.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
I send it to my friends I don't give a shit like
I don't care like I will.
My friend, I where you at.
Okay, I'm, no, I'm gonna sendit because I know you can't
order it.
I'm, I will get it to my houseand then send it to you exactly
like it comes from me.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
I'd rather get arrested, I'd rather than be
then still alive, than beunalive and those things are
just like.
It's a wild experience.
It's an unfathomable experience.
If you are not a Black woman,you can't, I can't explain it to

(32:41):
you.
It's just hard to explain.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
I even like I think about this quite often and, like
I said, you know, in the lastfew years, like we've really
been outside on these planes andgoing to cities that we've
never even heard of, You'd belike it's called.
What now, I've never is thisreal Going to small, little
airports, big airports, all ofthe above.
Something else that comes to methat makes me nervous, and I I

(33:07):
have now put all the safetyfeatures on it.
It's like Lyfts and Ubers.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Because when you go to these places, you're you
don't know whose car you'regetting into, right, I mean any.
Even in LA I'd be like, uh,like I, I, my, I always tell my
friends.
Or if I go out to play games,if you want to, about 19 people
know where I'm at at all times.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yes, we do.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
I got all my nosy detective ass friends that got
my location.
They gonna find me.
Yeah, we come find you.
But even on like the Lyft appsand I don't know if you use this
too like you can set up likesafety features on Lyft and Uber
, I do that.
Every time you get in, somebodygets a message.
The thing for me is they had tocreate that because women were

(33:53):
getting kidnapped and raped.
Getting in a car with someonethink we try to get from point A
to B and going missing Do youalso have?
Because I got anxiety.
Every time.
I'm like, fuck, should I justget a taxi or should I get?
Like, do you ever get anxietyfrom getting from point A to
point B in these new cities thatyou have to go to or cities

(34:13):
you've been to?

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Um, I have you know what?
I have a very um for one, uhfor one, uh.
Yes, I do use that app.
I just started to use it and Iwas just like this is really
helpful.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Um and I was just like.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
this is also quite interesting to be able to see,
like um, who's going from pointA to point B, or just like.
Also, if I forget to likeswitch onto it, or cause I
switch it on and off because Idon't.
I'm also just like notcomfortable with tracking
because big brother, so I alsohave a mindset of, again for one

(35:00):
, how high, how dehydrated am I?
How far is the distance?
Is it walkable?
Sometimes I look at that beforeI look at Uber pricing, because
I feel as though getting awayis a lot faster.
Running, you know, running,going, walking into a public
place immediately, cutting intoa door, not willing, not willing

(35:21):
Stiletto heels, something thatI can't walk or run in, you know
, I need to make sure that I'mcomfortable.
So I think I use that as analternative, more so to be able
to get where I need to be.
I try and use, if I need arental car, like I really try
and use a rental car as much aspossible so I can be able to
have the control that I need toalso be able to be like nope, I

(35:45):
need to get out when I need toget out, or I need to go to bed,
you know.
So one of those things.
And then also, because of thehigh mortality rate that we're
experiencing and the highkidnapping rate, my brain on a

(36:13):
much more survival mode where,whether it's survival or whether
it is just like this couldpossibly happen to me.
Having acceptance of thatbecause of who I am, I think
that's also like a reallycrucial feeling, like, oh, it
will never be me or it can neverbe me, because you know, I
might be pretty or it might beugly to whoever that person
thinks of that person, ofthemselves.
You know, wherever your bodypositivity is, I think that you

(36:37):
know just being really realisticof the fact that these things
are happening and, for one,trying to be prepared, but also
just being prepared for whateverthat means.
So you know, I talk about thatwith my partner, you know, as
far as, like you know, I'm 40and I talk about wills like what
is my family members getting Imean not much, you know, maybe

(37:02):
some really good, you knowstainless steel toys and a
squatty potty.
But for the most part, I thinkI'm just being more realistic
and the awareness of just likethis shit can happen, level of,

(37:25):
if it does happen, how I canbring my emotions down and be
more just like, okay, what'shappening?
Where am I?
What does a person look like?
How am I being binded up,Trying not to try and find some

(37:49):
kind of exit strategy, likethose kinds of things that are
making me feel much more.
It brings my fear down.
You know the people that like dolike you know those bunkers and
, like you know, prepare fordoomsday shit like that.
Like, I have a strongfascination about that.
Look at us learning somethingabout me again.
That's weird.
I love it, but I have such astrong fascination about that

(38:11):
and I feel like being preparedas much as you can is so
important and just the awarenessof where you're going is so
important.
So that's like those are thethings that I just like.
I really try and strategizewhere I'm at in a different part
, Like, if I can avoid an Uberor Lyft, I'll do it in a
heartbeat.
Ain't nothing wrong withwalking and getting that heart
weight going.

(38:31):
Okay, there's nothing wrongwith that Health Honey.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Get your steps in, Get your steps in.
And the health steps.
You know that you're gettinghealthier, like you need it.
I mean, something that I alwaysthink about is like how is my
body feeling Right?
Like even being prepared to gotravel?
You got to prepare your body.
Yes, like going to the gym,stretching.
Can we talk about stretchingreal quick Because we are not

(38:56):
doing it enough?
If you were on these damnplanes, trains, automobiles,
like you know it, just existinglike that is a part of like
health that I don't think peopledo enough, they'll be like well
, I don't go to yoga, I don't doPilates.
Do you have a body and likesomewhere to sit on a floor you
can stretch?

Speaker 2 (39:14):
You can stretch, you can stretch, I think you can
stretch, I think you.
You know, I love when I seepeople go, when I'm at the hotel
and people are actuallyutilizing the weight lifting
room or the gym and I'm like youknow, I don't use that amenity,
that's not my amenity that Iwant to use, like I'm going to
go find a yoga studio, or if Ican't find one, then yes, I'm
going to get up and stretch inthe morning and move the body

(39:38):
around.
I mean, body movement is soneeded, especially when you're
waking up and your body is sostiff and so cold and it hurts
and it's cracking and makingnoises, it's farting, it's like
it's releasing gases.
You know, body is body, thefluids are fluid, everything is
happening.
So, like movement is important.

(39:59):
Finding some sunlight, vitaminD is also important.
Staying hydrated is also veryimportant.
So if you're in a hotel andyou're just like that person
that has to be on the computerall the time, get your ass
outside and stand outside.
Just stand outside, justbreathe some air.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Listen this is a part of your preparation for your
trip.
Whatever trip you got up, Iwant you to look at some stuff
after this conversation.
Something that also comes upfor me when I have to travel is
safety in my body.
You mentioned being aware andkeep your head moving and on
swivel.
For me, it's also just being inan airport.

(40:39):
Sometimes I'm like I will haveheadphones in, but here's a
trick, baby, they might notalways be on Play with me if you
want to Play with me, if youwant to.
Also, for people, sometimes Iwant to talk to me.
They don't even be on.
I just act like I can't hearyou, I'm just keeping it a buck.
But being in airport, there'ssomething that I say to myself
all the time yeah, I'm not aboutto play with my flight status.

(41:02):
So, whatever games you feellike you about to play, I'm not
the one today or I might be, butlike thinking about my flight
status full circle here, itfeels like there's always a
challenge to safety and even if,like playing with someone's
flight status feels like I can'tescape, like I can't leave

(41:24):
somewhere, yeah, and these arelike the thoughts that, like I
have in my head when I be seeingpeople acting up in the airport
.
I'm like, not me, because whatif I need to leave this country?
What if I need to go somewhere?
Do you ever have those thoughtsor has any that ever hit you?

Speaker 2 (41:38):
I mean like somebody acting out for one, like my
goodness, that's just ruiningthe whole day.
Like, especially if you justwant to get home, you're just
like God damn it, I just want toget the fuck home.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Like what are you doing?
The?

Speaker 2 (41:54):
worst when you want to go home and you're tired.
When I want to go home and I'mtired and I get it, you're tired
too.
You're probably dehydrated,you're tired.
Maybe you know, maybe thosethings like I know, those things
have happened right and youhave to be mindful of it.
Um, I think that, like, in thosespaces you know you, just for

(42:20):
one, I do the same thing.
Like you, you know earphonesand I don't wear, like these,
big headphones.
I think these are your littleboobs, yeah, my boobs, yeah, I
have the same AirPods.
So I think, like I think, thatpeople that wear these I think
that is whatever that they thatmakes them work for them, that's
great, but I think these arejust not very safe Cause it's

(42:41):
just so big and do you, whateveryou're listening to, can you
hear what's going on?
So, the same thing like you,like, I do put on music because
I need that music to, like,bring my anxiety down before or
getting off the airplane.
I don't need to talk to anybody.
I put my head on low sunglasseson A lot of people when they

(43:02):
see me at a trade show, they'relike I didn't even know that was
you.
Yeah, we were on the sameflight.
Yeah, yeah, we sure were.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Maybe you are like Beyonce, I'm low-key and
secretive.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
You don't need to know my shit.
I think those are the thingsthat I do.
Also, I like to sit in thewindow spot.
It's one person that's nottouching me.
That's one more person that'snot touching me.
Let's talk about a seat.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
I am a window girl yes, today I die today I die I'd
be.
I'm not getting banged up on theoutside, I'm not a middle bitch
.
Fuck you in a window seat, andI think I told you this one time
.
I was in the window and I wastexting and somebody reached
their little arm across my faceto touch the window.

(43:49):
And my instinct, let me tellyou, I did put hands on this
person.
We didn't tussle, but it was amiddle-aged white man and he
reached across my face, likeacross where my nose is, to
touch the window.
And how quickly I slapped thathand baby, now you're in my
personal space.

(44:10):
I don't know what you're doing.
We was both startled because mynatural reaction was to and you
know what?
In that moment I didn'tapologize because you chose to
enter my bubble.
And what are you doing?
Get a minute.
Exactly, you in the middle,exactly, play your role, exactly
.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Exactly, and also like I've sat in a middle where
I literally had two white peopletalk the entire time in between
me and I was just like, do youwant to switch?
Does someone want to switch?
And neither one of them wantedto switch.
One person was tendingsupposedly tending to their

(44:51):
family, and the other person hada dog.
And I'm like this is souncomfortable and so awkward
that I was just like you knowwhat I'm going to do, what I
normally do best.
You know doing things to.
You know give my boundaries.
You know did everything, and Ican be sometimes a little

(45:14):
passive-depressive I'm a queenof that since all the Virgos but
also just being like this islike uncomfortable and they're
not aware, respecting you.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
They're not respecting you.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
They're not respecting you, they're just not
aware.
They have no like nothing.
Awareness, awareness, theawareness, and not asked to be
included in the conversation,but just be mindful of like.
The fact of like someone isjust like having to deal with,
you know, breaths talking anddispersing in front of me and

(45:48):
I'm just like, oh my gosh, Idon't want this to happen to me,
right?

Speaker 1 (45:53):
now.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
So I prioritize my boundaries now.
That window space isnon-negotiable and it's closed.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
It's closed.
Don't reach over.
Don't reach over either.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
This is my space.
I pay for this space.
If you look, sometimes thosespaces can cost a little bit
more than certain other seats.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
And.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
I'm going to take it, I'm going to do that because,
it also just makes me feel notonly safe but continues to grow
my own productivity.
Once I land Right, I'll be ableto be.
More I'll have, I'll be moreactive, able to be, more I'll
have, I'll be more active.
I'll be more aware I can.
That comfortability isimportant to me, Um, so that way
I can go to these retailers andteach and not have to feel like

(46:36):
a trauma is sitting inside ofme because this a-hole was just
like taking up space in my like.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
I'm not up for that what does it mean to take up
space for yourself when youtravel?

Speaker 2 (46:50):
that's a good one.
Um, yoga, yoga.
That is like one of my ultimate.
I'm sorry, I'm not getting muchlight, oh did it get dark at
your house?

Speaker 1 (47:00):
what y'all doing over there?
Come on, come on, we got sun.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
I don't know what the hell is going on.
Let's see if I could do thischris just cut out.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Just cut this out because tracy getting stabilized
thank you, chris, thank you um,okay, all right, okay, I'm
gonna ask you again let whatdoes.
Um, I forgot the question bitch.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
What was it Safe space look like?
For me, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
What does safe space look like for yourself when
you're traveling?

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Okay, that's a great question.
Um, first of all, number onestaying hydrated.
Like this is my safe spacebottle, it's my water bottle.
I love it because it says somany things on here that like
really grounds me.
So, like, safe Slut, like, comefor me.
I love Safe Slut, I love you.

(47:55):
Okay, she's like a fantasticinfluencer.
So, water hydrating, keepingyour body hydrated I just said
this in another podcast Likeyou've got to be hydrated, it
keeps you grounded, it keeps yousober, um it, it.
It flushes out any you knowtoxins in your body.

(48:18):
Like that is like my number one, my hands down.
Number one, my second one youdrink, look, drink your water,
drink your water.
My second one is flying Again.
Definitely, that window seat isimportant to me, non-negotiable
.
Come for me, you must beputting me in another window

(48:39):
seat.
That's fine, you know, do you?

Speaker 1 (48:41):
want to move.
No I don't, baby, I pay forthis yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Yeah, no, no, I don't , baby, I pay for this.
Yeah, yeah, no.
Then I think also finding ayoga studio is definitely my
safe space, and let me just sayalso, like it's still hard to
navigate through that,especially since yoga is such an
appropriated space.
Yes, an appropriated space, Imean, I've gone into so many

(49:08):
places.
I'm just like, you know, I getjudgment, you know, I get like
the whole nine, you know, andall the triggers start to go and
I'm like this is supposed to bea safe space for me to relax,
release, meditate, find mystillness, find my groundness in
a safe space Like this issupposed to be, like this, not

(49:30):
this whole, just the talk, justthe talk.
It's like how?

Speaker 1 (49:33):
do you make me a?

Speaker 2 (49:33):
fireman.
I'm like, I know what I'm doing.
I know what I'm doing.
If I tell you that I'm a yogateacher, you should just say say
less.
Here's the room, here's yourmat and towel.
Go and have a wonderfulexperience.
Sometimes that's hard.
You, girl, here's your mat andtowel, go and have a wonderful
experience.
So sometimes that's hard and youget watched.
I mean, yoga is such a balance.

(49:54):
It's not even a balance.
It's a place where you need tobe in spirit than in your human
ego body.
So you're just alreadyconstantly being watched, right,
and people they judge you.
They ready to be like, oh, theydon't know what they're doing.
And then I'm like, yeah, bitch,I do know what I'm doing and
I'm doing it for me, I'm notdoing it for you, yeah, so I

(50:17):
grabbed that space as much as Ican because I'm going to take
all the space as much as I can.
I think that's really important, especially Black people, black
women, people of color ingeneral, taking back the yoga
space of where it belongs.
Shout out to India and anyancestors that created that.
Thank you for that.

(50:37):
It's important Like I need thatfor my life.
I don't know what I would dowithout it.
I know I'd be in so much, I'dprobably be in chronic pain.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
I look at my family.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
I look at my family and I'm just like some of them
have this chronic pain or havethis, like you know, connection
I don't want to say connection,but that there's this gosh, I
can't even think of the word.
But when you know that personis just like so absorbed, just
like constantly going to thedoctor and thinking that a medic

(51:10):
medicine is going to be theanswer, when sometimes it's just
, you know, healthy diet andyoga, just yoga, just stretching
, can do so much, much, um, so Ireally, I really lean into yoga

(51:31):
so much because it's just likeit's my epicenter, it is, it is
my life force and using that ohwow, so many emotions using.
That is like that's my ultimatesafe space.
And then, um, my final safespace is um a restful night's
sleep, just sleep, I like tosleep.
That's my past time is sleeping, just sleeping, just shutting

(51:53):
it off and sleeping, it's likeit's true, I'm here, that's me,
it's me, my subconscious, it'sall like that do you have a
travel fit?

Speaker 1 (52:03):
like I have, like two go-to travel outfits and I have
a playlist like I have a walkthrough airport playlist that,
like it just exudes bad bitchenergy and I feel like that
changes my walk, which also Ifeel like I've created for, like
, safety, like, yeah, feel like,don't talk to me because you

(52:25):
don't know she's on a mission.
You're right how we're walking.
Like, do you have any of?

Speaker 2 (52:30):
those things.
Yeah, oh, yeah, 100, okay.
So my travel fit is, um, uh,again hat.
I always have my hat on, likemy baseball cap.
That is always on, always on.
I'm having too much hairsometimes.
No, I don't, I will make itwork.
I will make it work.
I will make it work.
My sunglasses are on.

(52:52):
I usually also consider a mintor a piece of gum.
That's part of my fit, becauseI like to like walk and chew my
music.
I am, again, a very weirdo randoperson, so I literally just put
on all of my songs, so itdoesn't like from a to z, like
my entire discography of likewhat I have, and just like let
it rip, just let it rip.

(53:13):
So I'm like, okay, what letterdo I want to be on today?
Letter b then I'm just like allthe songs, all the songs and
all in different genres, andlike mixing and matching.
Um, I think that has to do witha little bit more of my adhdism
, because my partner was like Ican't listen to the shit that
you listen to.
Like how you gonna go from likejazz music to like hard rock,

(53:35):
like I don't understand and thengo to r&b like it's just like
it just works for me.
So that's my, that's my fit,that's part of my fit.
And then, as far as likesuitable wares um yoga pants, no
denim.
I think it's like very binding.
I don't even really have denimanymore.
I gave it up.
Yeah, Like so it's usually yogapants for the most part because,

(53:58):
like I, just I need thatflexibility, but I will wear
like layered up on top so Idon't get too cold on the plane,
and always sneakers and socks.
Yep, I'm TSA pre-check.
I don't like taking off mysneakers.
Don't eat the pre-check.
You're not going to make metake my sneakers off when

(54:21):
thousands of people have walkedthrough there and I don't know
how often you don't disinfect.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
I've never seen it.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
I've never seen disinfecting.
There's never been a shiftchange where there's been
disinfecting.
I've never seen it TSA, get ittogether or give us some
information, because I need toknow how this gets sterilized
and it lasts for a well over 12hour day where people are still
touching those bins, okay, andthey're just recycling through.

(54:50):
Okay, like, explain this to mein any case.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
You just messed me up , Cause I also.
I never really thought aboutthat, especially after this
COVID had been up and througheverything.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
So explain to me how this is being.
In any case, socks and sneakers.
Socks and sneakers be protected, be prepared, prepared, be
prepared of other peoplespilling things on your feet.
Be prepared of people's luggagerunning running over your toes,
like I don't know how peoplewalk around with thong,
flip-flops and everything.
I'm like.
You are being exposed to a lotof things that a lot of people

(55:24):
have been on like no way.
So that's the other thing whereI'm just like socks and
sneakers.
You won't be seeing me wear noheels, like trying to keep you
won't know my toes, not, youwon't know my toes, no you won't
know those and plus like someof these terminals are long as
fuck, like you gotta like thisis a whole half hour trip to get
from one terminal to the otherand you're gonna skip around and

(55:46):
thongs, sandals or valencianashoes like thank you you just
brought something up that reallyreally comes back to me what's
your least favorite airport andyour favorite airport?

Speaker 1 (56:00):
because I, out the top of my head, I'm like boom,
my favorite airport is Chicago.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Really, I know it's funny, that's crazy, but OK,
it's really weird.
I like it because holidayseason they decorate it really
cool and it looks it's literallythe same.
Like what is it Home Alone whenthey're running through the
Chicago airport?
And it's like decorated the sameway and I'm like, oh my God,

(56:28):
this is where Kevin McAllisterwas just like, stopping that
left, like this is fuckingawesome.
I've also ran into somebody inthe industry in an airport in
Chicago and I'm like, what arethe odds?
So I think that's really cool.
I love Chicago hot dogs, so sayless.
So there's a spot calledKelly's that I get my chicago

(56:49):
dog and my you know my uh, okayI'm off to look at kelly's fries
.
you know, they got like wicker,like they got sushi.
That's all on point.
Like there's like spots inthere, I'm just like this is my
jam and I can make this easy forme.
Um, my, I will only give asecond.
I want to add a second favorite, which was San Francisco.
The air was so clean in there.

(57:09):
It was so like they werepumping like clean I don't know
Oxygen.
It felt clean.
Everything was sparkling clean.
You could look like you couldlift the floor and I was just
like this feels different.
The air quality is different,like all this is different.
You know clean foods andeverything.
I was just like no, no cowknows how to do it Right.
I was just like NorCal knowshow to do it right.
I was just like let me just putthem on there.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
If you go to Oakland it's tricky.
They trick you with that oneairport.
They'd be like it's niceSurprise, you got robbed.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
You got to be careful with those small little hubs,
those little jump off.
That's why I don't do them.
I'd rather drive two hours.
I don't do those jump offs, I'drather drive two hours.
I don't do those jump offs Likeno, no, no, no, no, no, they
try no, where my bag at it'sonly one, one tar belt, like one
belt, like where my bag at.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
You know why my bag open?

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Why is it open?
What happened behind the scenes?
So that's the other one.
I think my worst one isprobably Dallas.
I do, um, I do, no, all right,like american, like I got
american points, that's great soI can go into a lounge.
That's the only reason, likebecause I can go into a lounge.

(58:16):
But being out in those circularpods, they're not clean.
It's people that, just thetransients that just pass
through.
Just like this is just.
This is rough here, man, thisis rough.
It's just like crappy tex-mex,american americana foods uh, you

(58:39):
know chick-fil-a's and like youknow, like just shit that I
just wouldn't even eat becausefor one it probably would give
me the worst.
Like you know IBS, or likeconstipation for one or for two.
Like who are you?
Who are you supporting?
You know, is it?
Who are you?
You're not supporting me,you're not supporting my LGBTQ

(59:01):
community, you're not supportingpeople of color.
You're you're anti-LGBT, you'reLT, anti-palestine, you're
anti-everything that does notresemble who I am and I'm just
like fuck off.
I do not like that airport.
That one's probably like mysuck a bag of dicks DFW.

(59:21):
But I'll be seeing y'all soonenough.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
I hate you, but you better not play with my flight.
Don't play with my flight.
That's crazy, cause you didn'teven so, my least favorite, I
think of course LAX it's.
It's getting better allegedly,but you know, no, atlanta, y'all
, y'all gotta stop playing.
It is an adventure every timeLike what are we doing?

(59:47):
What are we doing?
What are?

Speaker 2 (59:49):
we doing.
I think that Atlanta has, firstof all Atlanta, the city, shout
out to certain people that whoyou know, that live out there, I
love you to the day I die andI'm always there to support you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
We going back, tracy, we going back.
Anyway, I'm not going back, wegoing back.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
I'm not going back, anyway, I'm not going back,
going back, I'm not going back,I'm not I'm not going back, I'm
not going, I'm not going to putyou in my luggage like a kid,
that's.
That'd be that one uber be like.
I'm in atlanta.
How'd I get here, surprisebitch, how'd I get?

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
there, yeah, but that airport trash it is trash.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
There's a lot of people that are angry there.
I feel like Atlanta is justlike they're so angry and so
frustrated and just like nothydrated.
It's like this is why y'allskin dry y'all ashy we gotta
take a train to get to another,train to get to like one
terminal to get to another train.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
I'm like what is all this?
And then you get there and thenthey change your plane, Right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
You fly and you got to reverse uno Right, or they'll
be like you know what?
We're going to go on a strikeright now.
I'm like Can I like get on theplane first?
Can I like fly?
Can we like ascend?
And then like y'all, can dowhatever you want, like give me
that space so that way I canfeel like comfortable and be
like okay Y'all, good luck, goodluck.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
But I got to go home.
Where has been the place that?

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
you've been to that you have felt the most unsafe
and or your worst experience.
Traveling Unsafe yeah, hmm,okay, um, so there was a small
part, but I was still I wouldkind of still want to go there
now, knowing in hindsight, witha group of people and, um, yeah,
with a group of people, atleast one person, um, so I

(01:01:48):
traveled by myself to argentinafor a yoga retreat back in like
2018.
It was like literally rightbefore the closing of the
country stores for the pandemic,and when I was coming back home
, I had a 12 hour layover inLima, peru, and I was like I'll

(01:02:09):
be damned if I'm gonna sit inthis airport, which I already
did not feel comfortable norsafe, could barely speak, you
know, learn or speak Spanish.
You know, like, I was just likethis is not comfortable for me
and I did my research and I waslike let me just go to, you know
, the coast of Lima, peru, andjust venture out.

(01:02:29):
I've, you know, done it beforein our country, so let me just
try and do it here.
So, um, first of all, gettinginto a taxi cab, as we said,
right, it's like scary as hell.
The person, um was very kind,um, but you know, just the

(01:02:50):
language barrier was really hardbecause when that person got
frustrated about the traffic, Iwas like, okay, this is, this is
about to be it.
So that was.
That was a little bit of a redflag.
You're going through a part ofthe country where you're seeing
assault rifles being held byPolizia and you're seeing a lot

(01:03:11):
of poverty.
So, like on red, like this guycan stop anywhere, and like
again on red, I finally got tothe town and you know, just
being able to walk around, butwith you have this backpack on
you and it's red and it'snoticeable, and I literally had

(01:03:34):
like two other men start tofollow me and it was a signal.
I realized I got signaled ortargeted when there was a person
, a transient person, that wastrying to sell like little toy
dolls, and I was just like I'mnot interested and just like
here, here, here, and I'm likelook, here's a peso, I don't

(01:03:55):
want it, just to like get themaway from me.
And I I saw that person walkpast the two people and like
give a nod or like a something,you know, a signal, and I
literally watched these two.
I'm like I got two big ass menready to start following me on

(01:04:17):
this, this excursion, I'm justtrying to like see the sights,
all the things, and theyfollowed me.
They found me for quite sometime until I, until I realized I
had to like get more into amuch more public space and, um,
I literally hitched on to agroup that was doing a chocolate
tour and, if you don't know,like a chocolate tour of Lima or

(01:04:41):
a Peruvian chocolate is likegold, it's delicious.
So I literally just hopped ontothis tour and was like, hey,
I'm sorry I'm late for this tour, do you?
I don't have my ticket.
And the guy was just like it'sfine, I don't care, I don't care
.
Like, maybe that guy was justlike it's fine, I don't care,
maybe that guy had a really longday too.
He was just like I don't give ashit.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
I just want this day to be over.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
That was a way for me to divert myself.
Who knows what would havehappened that?

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
sounds so scary.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Literally the day before I got back, two days
before actually, and that's when, you know the government,
everything shut down and no onewas able to travel.
The other really alerting thingwas that because I was with a
lot of white people but therewas an Asian woman with me, or
Asian person or woman, and youknow the, you know the Wuhan

(01:05:35):
virus is already out.
You know you can tell thatpeople were on alert and being
very, you know, judgmentalaround Asian people and like we
stuck together, like we stucktogether and we were, you know,
trying things and breaking offpieces and sharing things, and
like you know, and you couldtell that a lot of white people

(01:05:57):
were just like disgusted or just, like, you know, turned off,
like, you know, keeping awayfrom us, and I was just like wow
, to see that too.
It was just like this isfucking ridiculous.
So I felt like I needed to, youknow, be with this person,
because we kind of both neededto share a safe space and that

(01:06:19):
was our bubble, that we neededto be able to share each other
and be able to, you know, holdeach other accountable for
anything that could happen to usand also, you know, be
responsible for each other,without even having to say those
things, but just being likeaware of, like people.
People are coming out, comingfor you, coming for the both of
us, and that was probably, likemy most like disconnecting, like

(01:06:44):
disturbing, scary piece that Ican remember.
In addition, like I've also, youknow, been in South Dakota
where, like I've had cops followme, like I've had those things
where, like that to me was so,of course, triggering and
terrifying that even now, likeI'm like, okay, this can happen

(01:07:06):
still, but just also beingsomewhere where you're not near,
you're not even in your states,you're not a citizen here,
shit's going to go down and ifthey find you, they, they find
you, and if they don't, best ofluck to you you know, yeah, yeah
, yeah, yeah, that oof, I can'teven imagine like how I just
feel in this country, but I'd belike, uh-uh, they didn't turn

(01:07:28):
two corners the same time as me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
I'm not walking, no more, I'm going inside, yeah
watching your six is soimportant.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
You know you can have these headphones on it.
Please, you know, keep them onlow.
My, my brothers and sisters andmy sisters, my sisters, my, you
know, all of my people like,keep that shit on low, watch
your six, you know, and just be,you know, mindful.
You can still have a wonderfulexperience but, like people will

(01:07:55):
be, maybe they look at we're atarget, we're a huge target.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Yeah, yeah.
That's also why there's so many.
I follow some groups that arespecific for Black folks
traveling, because I think wehave to have such community for
someone to go back.
You'd be like I'm about totravel here, what does it look
like for safety?
Are there certain things Ishould know?
Are there certain things Ishould look out for?

(01:08:19):
Because some people just get totravel.
That feels nice.
I'm over here like literallyanytime.
Someone's like, oh, I want togo here.
I'm like is it safe for Blackpeople?
Right, and they're like, oh, Ididn't think about that.
And I said, oh course shedidn't.
Of course she didn't, even if Ispeak the language.
Right.
But wait, I keep seeing thismeme that's like these countries

(01:08:40):
keep asking for us to come,they'll send you money, but now
do they like niggas?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
I don't know about that.
I mean, like I don't know aboutthat, there is a community in
Mexico City which and my partneryeah, my partner is and my
partner is white.
So you know, let's try thatagain.

(01:09:09):
My partner is white.
Interracial relationships arealready a very off-scale
conversation to have right.
However, in every country, inevery country, in every country
like you know, to be seenwalking with someone that is, um
, not you know well older thanyou, like you can tell.
Like that person is not a greatyou know old, elder person, um
you know you just get them.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
I'm gonna tell him.
I'm gonna tell him he's not,he's not, he's young.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
he always says you're , you're as young as the person
you're you're with.
So I'm just like oh, okay, Wellwe're still going to bed at
seven, tuck in, tuck in, tuck in, tuck, tuck, tuck in, okay.
But I think that, like, findingcommunities like that is
important.
So, like Mexico city, there's avery big black community where
you're like, okay, I feelcomfortable wanting to live

(01:09:55):
there, wanting to move there.
You know, in Spain not so much.
You know, like you have to gomore closer to, like Lisbon,
portugal, to be able to reallyfind more people of color.
And let's not also forget, spainis the largest country, that
was the largest colonizers tothe slave trade.

(01:10:17):
They are the largest, they arethe ones that created the slave
trade, they are the ones thatbegan it and sure as hell ended
it Like, well, not ended, butthey were the ones, they were
the biggest ones that literallyhad all of our ancestors brought
to the states.
Okay, so let's not keep that inmind.
So, when you go there, there isthis level of racism.

(01:10:39):
It is there and it doesn't.
I think once they either speakto you and realize, oh, you're
American, then they'll take lessjudgment upon you.
However, there's still thislike there's strong, strong
racism in that country, and youknow they are, they despise

(01:11:00):
Africans and I'm like this is mypeople.
This is my homeland, so, likeyou know, being in Spain and I
love it so much, I had to makesure that, like where we're
going, I'm like there are notblack people in here.
There's not enough black peoplein here.
There's not enough Black peoplein here.
Are your friends speaking to mypartner?
Are your friends?
Who are they?

(01:11:21):
What are they about?
How do they act?
How do they act around peopleof color?
What's the vibe?
Because if I'm not going tofeel comfortable, even though
I'm with my partner, I willremove myself, I will leave.
I'm not going to sit here, I'mgoing to leave'm not going to
feel comfortable, even thoughI'm with my partner, I will
remove myself, I will leave,like I'm not going to stay here,
I'm going to leave.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
I'm going to leave.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
You know I'm not going to.
You know there's just so manythings.
So, like finding those thosereally strong communities, like
it's a legit community, and ifyou know somebody that has been
there and can validate that,vouch for that, help vet you on
that.
That's where I'm like, that'swhere you should travel first as
a Black person.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Where's the safest place or the best place?
You've traveled like the bestexperience?

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
The safest place?
I don't think there is.
I think that's a.
I honestly don't think that wewas like let's just try.
Let's just try.
Where have you felt good there?
I don't think that we was like,let's just try.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Let's just try where you felt good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
There I don't know have I felt good.
Honestly, it's only aroundpeople that like where they live
.
Like if, like for you would belike my safe space, like, oh,
I'm gonna come out and come seeyou and I'm like I'm gonna come
to your house, like I'm gonnachill, we're gonna go out and be
around dinner, like that isreally that's my safe space.

(01:12:39):
Like I've been to a friend'shouse um, miss k, she's a
fantastic dominatrix out in umtennessee area and um I got to
go to um, to her home, be a partof her family life and like
their day-to-day lifestyle andlike have that moment where I

(01:13:00):
was just like there's no onecoming for me.
I could, I could, you know, takemy shoes off, take, I felt like
I was at home, like literallylike at my auntie's house, at my
cousin's house, and we justchill it.
Like that was that's normallymy safe spaces.
It's hard to say when you'retraveling so much because, again

(01:13:21):
, like just being on your sixesand being black person, like you
just got to be aware, and likeI can't even say like you know,
I can say like even like allinclusive resort, but shit,
people are fucking weird there,like you don't know some of
those people and like shit can'twear.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Basically you're saying there is no place for us
to just it's, I mean, it'sunfortunate to like, I mean
africa but also some parts babyyeah, exactly because it and
here something that people I'dbe like oh, you're
african-american.
I'd be like I'm black.
Yeah, because I know folks thatare from africa, literally

(01:14:02):
african, and now american yeahand they're like what do you
mean?
I said I'm black with a capitalb, baby, um, now historically
23andme says I'm from all kindof parts also ireland, also Also
from Ireland.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
I'm a little too much Irish.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
I can see that.
Shut the hell up.
But it's true, right, there'sthese things of even traveling
with some other people, becauseall skin folk and kin folk.
And if you don't know what thatmeans, use your good girlfriend
Google for free.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
It's free, it's easy to realize that.
And the other thing is aboutchoosing your family, too, right
, you know, seeing, sometimesyou can be thinking you can want
to see a relative and thatrelative is just like, ooh, this
is not safe, this space isn'tsafe and regardless of it being
family, let's just circle back,not circle back.
But, you know, think about ouryounger family members that you

(01:14:56):
know are traveling or meetingother family members.
We need to make sure that theyare protected.
They have their boundaries,which are well-deserved and well
, they need those there and weneed to protect them.
And we need to make sure that,even if they're going to go see
uncle or auntie or Tia whoever Iwas, whoever like, what does

(01:15:17):
that look like for them?
What does that space look likefor them?
Who are they around and likevetting them?
So I think that's still justimportant.
I'm not saying that likehonestly.
No, there is no safe space inthe world.
It is whatever you decide tomake that space right.
Um, and that could be that hell, that could be somewhere in
dubai or it could be somewhere,and like, I don't know, I don't

(01:15:40):
like germany, I don't fuckingknow, but at the whole point of
it is that, like you know, Ireally just want folks to feel
like they should just be careful, you know, watch their sex, be
aware and then, like you know,consent to making, can give your
consent to making this a safespace.
I'm saying this is a safe space.
Now I'm demanding this, I amcalling this out into into the

(01:16:03):
space, um, because if I don't,then it's not going to be safe
at all.
So what?

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
did you wish you knew before you started?
Really, traveling, travelingyeah for one airline points
maybe I am signed up for everyhotel, uh, every airline, all of

(01:16:30):
them I'm thankful thatwrestling be like put your
account, we're gonna pay more,but put your numbers I'd like
thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Yes, the points, the point system.
I wish I would have known thatsooner.
Like literally the first time Ilike decided to fly out to
Vegas for the first time, Like Iwould.
I wish I would have known, likehey, you should get your points
.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
Hey, you should go through TSA.
You should learn about tsa,like you should learn those
things, right, okay?

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
so that thing, I wish I would have learned um also
global entry.
Global entry like a shout outto like one of my old um um
employers that like he was in ahe's an event production
lighting stage and he I, and hewas an older, larger man I'd be
like God damn, you gotta gothrough all that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
And he was like bitch no.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
I don't.
I'm going through TSA.
I was like what is that?
What is this elitist situation?
Is it for everybody?
Is this for everyone?
So I think that one stayinghydrated.
Don't get fucked up and try andget on a plane, Cause you could
be like one of those peoplethat are drunk Listen, too drunk

(01:17:40):
.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Oh, y'all be on the plane acting up.
You know TikTok has has hascaught y'all, the internet has
dragged y'all.
And what do we talk about?
Before You're not playing withmy flight status, yes, yeah,
every drink, not playing with myflight status.
Yes, yeah, every drink, don'tjust cause it's free.
It might not be for you, baby,it's not for you, it's not for
you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
So that's one of those things where I'm just like
let me just stay hydrated, sothat way I'm sober and I'm on my
even keel and being aware,aware, and then again just like
circling back around.
So like really awareness, LikeI just had to learn these things
just out of experience, Like itwas just out of experience and
I wish I was just like.
I wish I had this guidebook ormanual to like traveling while

(01:18:21):
while black, like that guidebookwould be such a cool thing to
have.
Maybe there's something outthere.
If there is like, please let usknow.
We know about the green book,of course, but like I would like
a travel while black guidebook,you know, and then adding some
travel places and you know thewhole nine.
Maybe I should do it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
I don't know, but in any case, a black ass trip Tracy
.
We should go somewhere we needto go to a black trip.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
That could be cute.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
That could be cute.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Yeah, I'm down for that.
We don't have to put somethings, weigh some things down.
I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
That's stupid.
But yeah, those are the thingsthat I think like those are like
really important to know, youknow, because it's just it saves
you from a lot of trauma andstress and heartache and painful
memories and scary moments andyou know, it's like like when I

(01:19:14):
talk about butt stuff and someperson comes up to me and
they're just like I've tried itand I will never do it again,
I'm like fuck.
I mean, like I can see that asfar as an experience to someone
that is actually traveling.
You know, like fuck, I had ahorrible experience and I never
want to do it again.
Like, oh man, like I wouldnever want that to happen to you
, like I would want you to beable to find ways to overcome

(01:19:37):
that and also be able to, youknow, manage your trauma, to be
able to, like keep going and belike fuck that city.
I'm not going back there again.
But this city was, you know,hype, it was the vibe, it was
dope.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
I feel like I'm also calling out my age.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
at this point, who says type anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
I can't with you.
I think we are a little elder.
Listen, you know how somebodyclocked my age.
We were talking about likedancing and how, like, how young
folks now they don't dance withtheir arms in the air And'm
like, well, where do you putthem right?
It's for balance and stability.

(01:20:20):
What do you mean?
Y'all just dancing with yourarms to your side?
What are we doing?

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
and why are you just not waving like you just don't
care, like hello that's, that'snot freedom, like you're just
like yeah, what is it?
loosen up, like that's notenough balanced, that's not
enough for me like your armsneed to be up, like don't even
get me started.
Like half tree pose, like weall know you start with your
arms up in the air.

(01:20:44):
Then at least your fingers, atleast the index fingers, thumbs
cross.
You have to have the grip sotight that it literally like
you're shooting up to the stars,you're grounding yourself from
the tops of your fingers down toyour heels.
It's such a groundingexperience and a balancing
experience before you before,before us, getting into the
balancing series Like come on,get that spine warmed up.

(01:21:07):
Okay, get that spine warmed up.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
How are you supposed to twerk if your spine ain't
spine ain't warm?

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
I just also don't.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
I can't do it.
It's true, I've seen it.
Yeah, I can't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
It's okay, it's okay, I'm okay with that, like that
is my positivity.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
I've seen shit.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Yeah, I've seen shit.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
I feel like if we didn't have a little brief thing
about the next thing before ourlast question.
I think it's really important.
I think you've kind of touchedon it as, like mental health and
like mental health isn't justlike you know things can come up
while you're in an airport thatcan affect your mental health,
like things that you carry and,like you said, even seeing other

(01:21:51):
people sometimes I'll be in theairport like I don't like the
way they move in, right, it'smaking me feel uncomfortable.
Now I feel anxious.
Yeah, um, how has that been foryou?
Like, have you felt suddenlyyou like having a good day and
that should be like I was justplaying, we in this airport it's
.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
It's happening now oh gosh, I mean like I think as
soon as I walk into the airport,honestly, honestly, it's that's
when my mental health is justlike, the anxiety kicks in.
You know, thinking abouttimeframes, you're worried
you're not necessarily worriedabout people that you're trying
to get to where you got to getto, to the gate and whatnot.

(01:22:28):
That is like as soon as I like.
Not even that I mean, becausesometimes I talk to my partner
because he'll take me to theairport quite often and I'm just
like I don't want to go.
I just don't want to go.
I want to be at home in the bedwith you and my dog and our dog
Bonnie, and just like veggingout, like I don't want to do

(01:22:51):
this.
And that's when it kicks inreally to do this.
And that's where, that's whenit kicks in really.
You know that's when theself-doubt, the imposter
syndrome, the anxiety, you know,like you, even if you have all
of your, you know you're fit,ready and all the things that
you need checked off and you'rejust like man, like to deal with
strangers and you don't knowwhat their mental health level

(01:23:16):
is, like you are walking into aticking time bomb, like that is
like my start of it all.
Um, I mean, I get so scaredlike bombings, like that scares
the shit out of me, you know,because of the fact that we
travel so much, you know, andI'm like how?

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
can this happen?
I got through one time withpepper spray.
Oh, I didn't even know it wasin my bag.
And I got to Albuquerque and Iwas like oh hell, no, I'm
leaving this here because we'renot gonna double down and try
again.
Yeah, I had um, um, I had a boxcutter in my bag and I'm like
how you didn't see it?
Who else bags?

(01:23:53):
You ain't seen?
Was it rush hour?

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
you gotta get them through, did you not?
Shift change?

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
but you took my lotion but you took my goddamn
this cost 60 dollars this cost60 dollars bitch the way I had a
huge.
I'm about to get mad again.
I just have to buy some morebut like you took my lotion, but
you let me have pepper spray.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
I can't took everybody.
Yeah.
Yeah, those things are likethat's where I'm more like on a
higher alert, and then when Iget to the gate I'm like okay
and I do check.
I'm like who is fidgety, who isstanding at the desk, you know
acting up like trying to, like,you know, find flights or
whatever.
Whatever they lost their flight, you know missed their flight.

(01:24:43):
The whole thing like keeping aneye on that.
Also keeping an eye on, like,where police are, because you
just need to keep an eye onwhere the fuck police are.
Um, as a black person, sowhether it's for as supposedly
to serve and protect, just tosee where they are, because even
if you do have a bad day andyou're just trying to explain
your situation, your hostile.

(01:25:04):
Your hostile right, your angryBlack woman right.
I think also like feeling toways and navigate and try and
keep my stress level down whenshit goes down Like I miss my
flight.
Okay, knowing the things thatyou need to know, like I love
that chick traveling with Ericabecause she's a lawyer and she's
like because I travel and youjust need to learn on my website

(01:25:26):
, like that Shout out to EricaLove you, my girl, erica.
Listen, erica dropped knowledge, knowledge, be putting the damn
thing down.
You better follow traveling witherica before they take tiktok,
yes, and adding thoseinformational things.
And so you just know like, okay, the airline owes you these
things because they owe youmoney.

(01:25:46):
They owe you money because it'scontracted, because you agreed
to it, because you gave themmoney, so they owe you money.
They owe you accommodations toput you up into a hotel.
Those things are deserving ofyou.
You also just need to bemindful.
And if you've never worked incustomer service, the service
industry, customer care, whichis normally where I also see a

(01:26:07):
little couple of people losingtheir shit if they never worked
in that industry, they arecompletely ignorant to how hard
it is to work in this industryand customer service serve you
on a constant, daily basis.
That is like.
That's where I'm just like waita minute, I don't need to be
like at you, like this, I needto.

(01:26:28):
I've been in this situation.
So let's both stay calm and belike let's figure this out
together.
Take a breath, let's take abreath, let me get give me a
second.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
You try to go home, but I'm trying to get on this
flight exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
So let me, like you know, figure this out.
You know, um, so I think thatalso is just like certain things
where I'm just like okay.
Then there's also times whenI've been targeted.
Like coming back from spain, Iwas on like I can't even
remember the the german air, uh,airlines, I can't even remember
the German airlines, I can'teven remember in Amsterdam and
like everyone's carry-on bag wasbig and I'm like my carry-on is

(01:27:04):
fine.
I'm never a checked bag girl.
When I travel, I'm usually thatperson that carries on my
products or just all of myluggage, like anything.
I'm like carry on, carry on.
And I know she like targeted me.
She'm like carry on, carry on,and she, I know she like
targeted me and she was likeyour bag is too big and like my
partner's bag is twice as, twicethe size of mine and he got on.

(01:27:25):
So you're telling me that Ihave to check my bag.
I'm like you're targeting me,you're coming for me.
This makes no sense.
And I just saw, like everybody,I was like this makes no sense.
So just saw, like everybody, Iwas like this makes no sense.
So, like those things are justlike okay.
How do I voice my, uh, myopinion on what I see.

(01:27:45):
I'm like let me just put it onTwitter.
Let me put it on, at least thenI've been able to vent.
Have they came back to me andsaid like, oh, we're so sorry,
no, no, but I just want to makepeople aware, like, hey, this
place was no good to people ofcolor, and it's point blank
brightest day, because we'reseeing other feeds that say, or

(01:28:06):
other threads that say the samething.
So, you know, contributing tothe cause as much as you can,
finding your level of activismto say like no, this is
inappropriate, especially ablack person, then you should.
If you have that, thatprivilege to do that, then do it
.
Um, but you know, sometimes youjust gotta, you just gotta get
the fuck home.
You know you just gotta gethome and, um, I think that's

(01:28:28):
important, like I just I justneed to get home.
So stay calm.
Um, yeah, sometimes a crocodiletear might work here or there,
but it really doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
My smile is usually the thing, so I'm like hey,
sorry so I lost.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
you know, my flight got canceled.
Like how can we figure this out, you know?
So I try and keep an even keelbecause I just want to get home.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Sure, sure, because I , just, I just want to get home.
Sure, sure, whoo I.
I really hope that people gotto take some gems from this,
because the journeys are aheadand it's not about we're not
about to stop traveling, sothat's not the move.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
No, no, not the move, never the move.
It's like it's just being awareand like figuring out, like how
to navigate.
Um, you know TWB, and I thinkthat's important when we have
these conversations and allowingpeople to know, like you know,
you'reb, and I think that'simportant when we have these
conversations and allowingpeople to know, like you know,
you're not just walking outthere and all you know gullible
and naive and like it's going tobe absolutely you know it even

(01:29:28):
happens to.
You know big celebrities.
So you know it's not just us,absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
They said you still, you still a mega, your coins
cute, you still a nigga?
Yes, your coins cute, but stillI'm still a Nigel.
We talk about such fun and hardthings on this show that I like
to end the show with a funquestion.
Keeps it light.
So what is the wildest thingthat someone has texted or

(01:29:54):
deemed you in the last two weeks?
And wildest perspective, um,what you got?

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
okay so I had to like look at my calendar as we were
like chit-chatting before.
I was like this is the hardestquestion that I had to like
answer out of this entirepodcast.
Like you also work in theindustry that, like you see
weird shit all the time, youknow, like all the time, all the
time.
Like you hear it, you see it,you smell it Like so much shit

(01:30:21):
that you see I'm just like whatthe fuck was?

(01:30:45):
Probably a, what was it?
Oh, it was a text from.
It was a WhatsApp text and youknow how WhatsApp is like.
It's like you know it'ssupposedly non-regulated and,
like you know, someone gets aphone number they can just send
you whatever.
You know what I mean.
So I got a response hey, how areyou?
Haven't seen you in a while.
And I'm like, well, it could be.
You know someoneinternationally, it could be

(01:31:06):
someone like somebody.
And I was just like, oh, Ithink I know who this person is,
so started texting, startedchatting and was just like, huh,
I wonder how their family are.
And I'm like how's your family?
And they're like don't ask meabout my family, you know how

(01:31:27):
they are and I'm like well, whatthe fuck does that mean, excuse
me.
And they said well, you know howdid they say it?
Well, you know, at the end ofthe day, I wish they weren't
here and I was just like this isnot, this is not, this isn't
for me, like this conversationis not for me.

(01:31:50):
So I think it was that weirdconversation that I was just
like texting like okay, um, areyou okay?
That's texting like OK, are youOK, that's the next part, are
you OK?
And that person, whoever it was, was just like no, it's about
to go down now.
And that was the end of it.
And I was just like delete,remove, don't talk to me anymore
, I don't know who.
You are Blocked out, don't know.

(01:32:12):
And that was the end of it.
Like I was just like it's aboutto go down, it's about to go
down and I was just like I'm notabout to be.

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
Did you check the news after to see if something
went down?
Where else would I?

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
I don't even know Like it was such a.
If too much happened every day,you'd be like I don't know, I
don't know it could have beenlike if maybe it went down and I
don't know who it was, but ifthey were just like it's about
to go down and I was just like,yeah, this is not my
conversation because I usuallynot usually, but always I'm like
I'm not about confrontation, soI'm always about laughter and

(01:32:45):
be like let's you know, we couldjoke around and have fun, but I
was just like it's about to godown.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
I was like no, that could be a shooting, that could
be a bombing, that could be astabbing, that could be like.
That's not for you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
That's not for me and I was just like yeah, I don't
want that, so I'm so used tobeing like I'd rather see a dick
pic an unsolicited dick picnowadays than like that does not
mean to start sending them,though y'all.
No, that's not, that is notwhat that means, and don't try
and find me on whatsapp either.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
So, and that was the one thing, I was just like this
is fun, this is I knew it wasgonna be a fun time.
Um, before you leave us, wherecan he, she, they them z z
everybody, baby, where can theyfind you?
If you want to give them anyinformation to find you?

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
and you know, buy something so you can stay
employed, I don't know oh thankyou Um so, no so, um as far as
um finding me um on flower Tracy, flower child Cherie, that's my
Instagram.

Speaker 1 (01:33:48):
I was like.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
Who the hell is that?
Um, tracy flower child.
You can like Instagram me.
I am happy to answer sex edconversations via paying first,
so you do have to pay.
I do have some nice rates foryou.
We can have a good conversationthere.

(01:34:09):
You can also find me or findour brands that I work for on
Instagram or social media,especially Instagram the one
massager, be vibe dot social andride the cowgirl.
So we have some really great,not only just fun premium lines

(01:34:33):
of products, but just educationand knowledge.

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
Let me tell y'all, do some education, it's a whole we
need.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
we use you Time and time and time for some some
education.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
The education y'all create.
I think it's so imperative,especially for B-Vibe Cause,
listen the butthole is a tie Ifyou don't know what the B stood
for?
It's for your booty.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
It's for your booty, it's for your booty, it's for
your booty vibe, so like theeducation and the knowledge is
so, so there.
So I think you, well, I thinkyou could definitely find um us
there.
Um, I do some unboxings fromtime to time with some
interesting content.
Um, if you are, um, oh, did Ilose you?
No, you're good, oh, okay, ifyou are in the Detroit area, we

(01:35:23):
have a wonderful yoga studio outhere and it's called Midtown
Wellness Center, yoga WellnessCenter.
So definitely stop by there andcheck out, check out our spaces
there, um, and we have a reallywonderful hot yoga studio.
So I definitely say, like, comethrough if you see me on the

(01:35:46):
podcast and said like you cometo detroit and you're like tracy
, I know you, I met you on thepodcast, I'll get you in for
free, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Ooh Okay, a little.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
BIP.
Take care A little BIP yes.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
I hope y'all receive them and also have some act
right.
And if you are TWB, you know,do some research, you know, talk
to people, use again, use yourgood girlfriend Google, because
she's yes, yes, yes, she's sofree and she's so full of

(01:36:20):
knowledge.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
just try and be careful as far as finding the
right stuff until next time.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
Bye.

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