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Do you smell what the rock is cooking?

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Treehill Wrestling Federation Podcast Brothers

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and Sisters

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Episode 129 that's oh no Hulkamania lives forever
and almost always

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R.I.P.
but not always oh fuck

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the immortal one is no longer immortal

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did these titles forever ago.
Way

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before Hulk Hogan kicked the bucket.

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We probably did the title for this like season
because we did it at the sametime as doing season five.

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Yeah.

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So it's been a bit.
It's been a while.

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Yeah.

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Since we've done that.
Months

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for sure.
So forgive us Hulkamania fansfor the very apropos episode 129
as I am Sean Harris.

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And I am Erin Cosker.

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That's right, the THWF live and in charge for the
129th time.
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Listen now.
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You have to switch it up alittle bit here on the OTH and
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We amalgamate both shows, dude,and we amalgamate.
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join-up.
I never bought it for a

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second.
That you did not buy.
So I had to obviously change andmodify our intro a little bit as
per Road Dog Esquire and BadassInc.

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I literally did

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not buy it.
Well, that's part two of theepisode, brother.
We got to hit part one, and thatis the Tree Hillside episode.
we're here bro second lastepisode of the season

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and how are you feeling so far it's

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the go home for the season finale

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like we talked about this briefly last episode but
like let's give a little recaplike how are you feeling so far
this season

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the first half of the season was way better

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Stronger.

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Oh, way stronger.
A lot more drama.
Drama, craziness, and then itkind of almost fell off a cliff
a bit.
Like, if I'm going to look backat my notes, you're going to see
a lot of twos and threes, asopposed to the beginning of the
season where we're hittingfours, and I think I might even
have a five in there on one ofthe Nanny Carrie episodes as
well, too.
So it definitely had a steepdrop-off, unfortunately.
Again, like you said, MarkSchwan possibly trying to

(03:56):
Russo-swerve us, orSchwan-swerve us, and be the guy
to make it seem like the show isending writing it like that just
to fucking swerve everybodybecause they're thinking they're
in danger of not getting pickedup for another season

SPEAKER_02 (04:13):
yeah he was a dick and he manipulated and played
mind games a lot

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with a lot especially um bethany joy lenz

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well a

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lot of the bullshit that he pulled on her

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lots of bullshit he pulled on her that's like come
to light a little bit but likeeveryone he played everyone
specifically the females yeah umthere's a reason there's a
certain character that hasn'tbeen on for quite a while okay
um and Well, we're gettingthere, but there was very

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specific conditions.

SPEAKER_03 (04:57):
Oh.

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That, like, if she were to make a return, very
specific conditions would haveto be met.
And when we get there, I'llexplain why things played out
that way.
Huh.
Interesting.
Like, I'll fully explain itbecause I know the story.
But, like, he treated...
hillary burton horribly hetreated all of them horribly

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and honestly the entire cast i'm sure

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like yeah

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so my question is this reboot possibility which
apparently is not going to havejames lafferty and bethany joy
lens in it

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why the

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fuck would we do it then what's the point

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like why would we cover it

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no why would they even do a reboot if they're not
going to be a

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part of it because they're trying to do it because
there's a lot of fans that lovedthe relationship between Peyton
and Brooke.
Like so much.

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Like three people?

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No, there's like so fucking many.
I couldn't put a number to itbecause the amount of people,
it's astronomical.
They love

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their relationship.

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They love their relationship and they wanted to
see, especially because ofcertain things that are going to
happen soon.
People felt jibbed and I thinkthat the two actresses heard
that loud and clear.
Yes, having a reboot where likethe core characters were all

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together would be nice but alsoknowing that there might be
strained relationships um makingit not quite a possibility

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um how many times have you lied and deceived and
backstabbed your best friend

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never

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exactly

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i know that's the thing like this whole episode
when they're like oh we've beenthrough it all together at

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all you know i remember that time that your
fucking boyfriend cheated on youwith me twice

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yeah remember that fuck sakes

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i remember that

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yeah anyways let's get into it remember

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when

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so the episode starts off with uh hayley
picking like flower petals froma rose and And she's like
spreading them on the ground anddoing all this decorating.
And we find out she's actuallydecorating for Lucas and
Peyton's wedding, which they'vedecided to do very spur of the

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moment considering they've beenengaged forever.
But also like, well, notforever.
Not like us.
We've been engaged forever.
It feels like.
But this forest is significantbecause it's beside the lake
where Peyton and Lucas finallyspoke.

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When they hated each other.
When

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her car was broken down and he was driving cute.
yes um so it's significant tothem so that's why they chose
this location um in particularbut Lucas goes up and he's
saying like oh the minister fellthrough and Haley's like oh
weird hack like you can ordainsomeone online in like five

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seconds and she's like how coolwould that be for you to be
married by like someone you knowand she's like how cool would
that be and lucas goes onlinehe's like ah sounds interesting
cool gets her ordained

SPEAKER_03 (08:23):
you're ordained that's the thing like he
obviously needs to put in abunch of hayley's information
like how much would he know ofthat like

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they've been best friends forever

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sure but like when it comes down to it all these
things that you would probablyhave to enter and making an
account for something like thatyou would probably need probably

SPEAKER_02 (08:41):
let's be real but yes like he knows enough about
her that he was somehow fakeable to fake ordain her online
um um skills is taking someextra precautions with jamie
since the last lucas wedding uhjamie was kidnapped so you know

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extra first time extraprecautions include a leash on a
harness and walkie talkies

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yeah

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and And the leash is, like, a retractable leash,
too.
For a five-year-old.
It's fucking hilarious.
And Jamie's like, is thisnecessary?
And everyone's just like, no.

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So this is just a wedding episode.

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Yeah.

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Like, out of the blue.
Like, literally out of the blue.

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Well, they said it last episode.
Like, let's get married, like,right away.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (09:38):
But, like, we always, so just the next
episode, we have a weddingepisode.

SPEAKER_02 (09:43):
Yeah, but I think the way that they talk about it,
this is like a few weeks.

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You know what would have been hilarious?
Maybe a week or two.
You know what would have beenhilarious?
What?
If when they're doing their Ido's and everything that Lucas
said, I take the Lindsay.

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That's rude.
Nathan makes it to the wedding,but he's said that he had to.
go practice or whatever he hadpractice he's saying the whole
time that he had practice and hewas able to leave early um but
he seems a little bit bummed andwhy might that be he it's weird

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because you'd think it's a happyday he'd be happy that his
brother's getting married but

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sure to his ex-girlfriend the

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history is so wild man I don't I imagine if that
was like our group I guess I'vedated one of your buddies one of
your buddies used to be slash mybuddy used to be like in love
with me in high school yeah Iguess we're kind of in that

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not to the extent of tree hill though

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um

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I wasn't in a school shooting and fucking...
Guess

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not.
Lucas tells Brooke thatsomeone's been invited...
He's arranged a date for her.
And she steps out of the tentwhen she's getting Lucas to get
changed.
He's in a tux that she's like,nah, this won't do.
You need to rock a little HugoBoss.

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And then he's like, yeah, yougot to get ready too because
I've got someone special herefor you.
And Julian comes around thecorner.
Fucking Julian.
But.

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He's not

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by himself.
Quick on his heels.
Not by himself.
Is Brooke 2.0.
Honey.

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Actress Brooke 2.0.

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Oh, baby, we should go find somewhere to sit.
Fuck, Brooke is unimpressed.

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It's the younger, hotter, more advanced version.
Not hotter.
I wouldn't say she's hotter.
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah.

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No.
She's like a little freaky.
Looking version of Brooke.

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A little freaky looking version.

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I don't know.
Just like her eyes like bug outof her head a little too much.

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Like the rock?

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Yeah.
Lauren and Skills are sittingtalking and...
you know, skills is quiteconvinced that he's got Jamie on
lock with this.
And he's gone

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again

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and

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getting kidnapped by somebody.
I'm sure

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she's kind of like, uh, you should take a look.
She plays into it and there's adog at the end of the leash.
And, uh, so skills gets up totry and look for jamie and then
lauren turns around and her andjamie high five he's behind a
tree totally played skills justso good so good um we find out

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the reason that luke part of thereason nathan's so upset is nino
got called up to the clippers

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where are the clippers from

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didn't they say new york

SPEAKER_03 (13:06):
nope New York Knicks.
No, sorry, LA.
There you go.
Los Angeles Clippers.
So Nino made that team because Iguess they needed some help with
the shooting guard position,which is the position originally
played by Nathan.
So he switched positions and nowhis replacement at shooting
guards gets called up to theClippers.

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And he's just feeling so defeated because he's
trying to make everyone elsebecome a team player.
He's trying to make other peoplebetter.
Yeah.
Something that he learned whenhe used to be very selfish.

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Yeah.

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And he's learned to not be so selfish, but now it's
kind of kicking him in the ass alittle bit.

SPEAKER_03 (13:44):
Besides Brooke, I think Nathan definitely has the
biggest change in characterthroughout the show.
For sure.

SPEAKER_02 (13:51):
Yeah, so far, for sure.
So he's a little bummed, but,you know, he's...
telling hayley this and she'slike it's okay we'll get through
it of

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course and not only that he's at the wedding and he
wants to give some kind andloving words to his brother and
he's like i don't know whateveri said at lindsey's wedding just
replace it with lindsey and withpeyton and we're

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good and lucas is like wow glad you put some
thought into that bro it's sofunny um So everyone is all set.
Peyton walks down the aisleafter Brooke.
And then everyone was sayingthat Brooke looked great.
And then Brooke's like betterthan Julian's slutty Brooke

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alike.

SPEAKER_03 (14:35):
She fucking basically is so childish about
so many things and tries to makethis entire fucking wedding
about her.
Surprise, surprise.

SPEAKER_02 (14:46):
She's just frustrated.
And I get it.
I would be too.
Um, especially when she'sambushed.
Like that's the thing is Lucasinvited Julian, not Julian plus
one.
That's true.
So it didn't work out the way itwas supposed to.
And he meant for Julian to be adate for Brooke.

SPEAKER_03 (15:06):
So why are no parents at this wedding for
Nathan

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and Hayley?
Well, apparently.

SPEAKER_03 (15:13):
Because like

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Hayley's.
No, it's Peyton.

SPEAKER_03 (15:16):
Oh, sorry.
Yeah, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 (15:17):
Peyton's dad is on a boat.

SPEAKER_03 (15:21):
Yep.

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and uh

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three dead mothers yeah

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lucas's mom was stuck in italy or some shit

SPEAKER_03 (15:29):
yeah something

SPEAKER_02 (15:30):
couldn't get away i don't know i think it would be
pretty important to be at yourkid's wedding but okay shows how

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much karen loves lucas

SPEAKER_02 (15:39):
and i mean they were at the last one The one that
never happened.
It didn't end up happening.
Well, it happened, just not theway it was supposed to.
I mean,

SPEAKER_03 (15:49):
like it didn't conclude the way it was supposed
to.
But luckily, by the power vestedin Haley through
OneMinuteMinister.com, hedoesn't say Lindsay at the
wedding, luckily.
And not only that, she didn'treally know what to say because
it's very off the cuff becauseit's such short notice.

SPEAKER_02 (16:05):
She was made minister that morning.
And

SPEAKER_03 (16:07):
we all know the shortness, the short notice of
the show.
where it's like hey spur of themoment let's go travel to africa
hey spur of the moment let's gofucking pick flowers in japan
Now, hey, spur of the moment,let's get married and get you
ordained right now so you cangive a speech that you have no

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time to prepare for.
Let's do that.
And she's not ready for it, andPeyton just tells her, hey, if
you can't think of anything,just think of song lyrics.
And she does.
And she says, you know, everyrose has its thorn, just like
every...

SPEAKER_02 (16:43):
Oh my god, this is so funny.

SPEAKER_03 (16:45):
Just like every cowboy sings the same sad
song...
every rose has its thorn yeah sojust start singing poison in the
middle of a fucking ceremonymakes sense

SPEAKER_02 (17:00):
too good Brooke has a great idea though and she
leaves after the ceremony to goto trick and Nick Lachey still
happens to be there even thoughit's been a few episodes or
whatever

SPEAKER_03 (17:17):
oh he's been there the whole time like he's
literally been in the recordingstudio for weeks

SPEAKER_02 (17:21):
I guess so.
Just

SPEAKER_03 (17:22):
trying this one song out because you know he can't do
it very well.
She's been practicing.

SPEAKER_02 (17:26):
She just

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knew he would be there.

SPEAKER_02 (17:28):
Just knew.
And she brought a measuring tapewith her and she's making sure
that she's got the right sizetux for him.
And she's like, I need you toput this on.
You're just going spur of themoment as my date to this
wedding.
Once

SPEAKER_03 (17:42):
again, the short notice spur of the moment.
Hey, put on this suit and we'regoing to a wedding right now.
And Nick Lachey doesn't evenknow whose wedding it

SPEAKER_02 (17:50):
is.
No, he just shows up.
Well, I guess Peyton owns thestudio, so he may have met her
in passing or something.
What?
Brooke?

SPEAKER_03 (18:02):
What?
Brooke?

SPEAKER_02 (18:04):
No.
Nick.

SPEAKER_03 (18:05):
Oh, Nick.
Yeah.
No, I'm meaning Nick meetingBrooke.
Oh, you mean Nick.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (18:09):
Well, Nick knows Brooke because they used to kind
of...
date or whatever have hooked up

SPEAKER_03 (18:16):
yeah

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and he misses her

SPEAKER_03 (18:17):
so if you were going to a wedding and you were trying
to make me jealous for whateverreason you're mad at me or
whatever we're in that we're ona break um if you were if we
were going to the same weddingand if you were to bring a date
to make me jealous who would youbring besides british bulldog

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eric Honestly,

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I don't think I'd be very jealous

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of

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this.
What?
Yeah.
I honestly don't think thatwould make me jealous.
Really?
No.

SPEAKER_02 (18:49):
Who would make you jealous?

SPEAKER_03 (18:51):
British Bulldog.

SPEAKER_02 (18:52):
Oh.

SPEAKER_03 (18:53):
But he's dead, bro.
Yeah, so that wouldn't work.
I don't know.
The Rock.

SPEAKER_02 (18:58):
So it would have to be a wrestler for me to make you
jealous?
Well,

SPEAKER_03 (19:01):
somebody famous and powerful and awesome.
That would make me jealous.
Who could I bring to make youjealous?
Tris Stratus.
Good Lord.

SPEAKER_02 (19:12):
Any bitch on your arm is getting murdered if it's
not me.
Very true.

SPEAKER_03 (19:17):
Very true.

SPEAKER_02 (19:18):
I watch True Crime.

SPEAKER_03 (19:20):
Yes, you watch True

SPEAKER_02 (19:21):
Crime.
I know what not to do.
You watch

SPEAKER_03 (19:23):
True Crime to know that you'll never be a part of
True Crime because you'resmarter than that.

SPEAKER_02 (19:32):
But yeah, so...
They get seated, like Juliangets seated at the same table as
Brooke.

SPEAKER_03 (19:38):
Of course they do.

SPEAKER_02 (19:38):
Of course, with their respective dates.
And Missy, the...
Brooke Alike.
Brooke Alike?
Yeah.
She is, like, fangirling over...

SPEAKER_03 (19:53):
Over what's-his-face from Dancing with the Stars.

SPEAKER_02 (19:55):
Yeah, which is Nick Lachey, basically.

SPEAKER_03 (19:57):
But she had another name for him or something.
What was

SPEAKER_02 (20:00):
it?
I forget.
It was stupid.
I'm, like, I'm not a Dancingwith the Stars fan, so, like...
I don't give a fuck.
I don't care.
So she's fangirling over this,and Julian's like, oh, shut the
fuck up.
You mentioned Stacey Keebler,

SPEAKER_03 (20:15):
who was also on Dancing with the Stars, who is
the ultimate right beside TrishTravis.

SPEAKER_02 (20:19):
And then Julian starts making fun of...
of Nick and his boy band he'slike uh he says something about
how hot it is in there it mustbe 98 degrees it's

SPEAKER_03 (20:34):
probably about 98 degrees in here and then the
next scene he's literally beenknocked out by Nick

SPEAKER_02 (20:39):
Lachey he's getting ice on his face cause the the
reception happens to be at trick

SPEAKER_03 (20:46):
you know what though like if I was Nick Lachey and
somebody made that comment to meI wouldn't punch anybody I'd be
like yeah and I made a shit tonof money doing that so fuck you
true right

SPEAKER_02 (20:56):
True.
But then Peyton's the one that'sicing Julian's face and she's
like, you made fun of his boyband.
You deserved it.

SPEAKER_03 (21:03):
Yeah, and not only that, this is not the first dude
that's punched him out in TreeHill.

SPEAKER_02 (21:07):
That's true.
Nathan is quite distracted andHaley wants him to dance and
he's really not feeling it, butshe convinces him and then he's
totally not into it.
He's just kind of like superdistracted and she's like, just
be with me.
And then he's like, he's trying,he's trying to be present and

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she's like, nah, grabs his hand,pulls him into the bathroom and
they have slutty wedding sex inthe bathroom.
That's

SPEAKER_03 (21:36):
been the thing all episode long is even talking
about, hey, that slutty weddingsex, you know, Mia and Chase.
and all these other peoplestarted talking about the slutty
wedding sex and it's actuallyHayley and Nate who have the
slutty wedding sex

SPEAKER_02 (21:48):
I mean fair they're married

SPEAKER_03 (21:49):
yeah sure

SPEAKER_02 (21:50):
works out

SPEAKER_03 (21:51):
honestly not that slutty if you're married

SPEAKER_02 (21:54):
It was just the way they went about it.
It was kind of slutty.
A women's

SPEAKER_03 (21:57):
bathroom and the whole thing.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (21:59):
Locked door.
Their child is like.
It's like right outside.
Yeah.
Totally.

SPEAKER_03 (22:04):
On a leash.

SPEAKER_02 (22:05):
Yeah.
And speaking of skills andLauren, they're having a dance
or whatever.
And then she, they're talkingabout their possibility of
slutty wedding sex.
But it's a little difficult whenyou're taking care of a child.
A A

SPEAKER_03 (22:24):
leashed child.

SPEAKER_02 (22:25):
A leashed child.
Right.
And then Lauren says, hang on tothat leash, will ya?

SPEAKER_03 (22:32):
Yeah.
Yeah, maybe we'll use thatlater.
Oh,

SPEAKER_02 (22:34):
my God.
Yeah.
They're feisty.
They're feisty.
Skills is

SPEAKER_03 (22:37):
into the fucking freaky blonde chicks, man.
Apparently.
Big time freaks, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (22:43):
Apparently.
Julian asks Brooke to dance.
And she kind of makes a commentlike, what about...
Missy.

SPEAKER_03 (22:51):
Well, she's off having slutty wedding sex with
fucking Nick Lachey.

SPEAKER_02 (22:55):
Well, apparently she left because Julian called her
Brooke too many times.

SPEAKER_03 (23:01):
Yeah, Brooke 2.0.

SPEAKER_02 (23:02):
So, yeah.
So they're having a dance, andthey're kind of talking about,
like, where do we go from here?
And she's like, I don't think wecan go anywhere from here.
Like, you're off doing yourthing.
I'm here doing my thing.
Like, you know, it is what itis.
Yeah.
So, yeah, obviously, theBrooke-alike, Missy and Nick,

(23:26):
hook up on the pool table

SPEAKER_03 (23:27):
at

SPEAKER_02 (23:29):
Trick.

UNKNOWN (23:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (23:29):
in the studio

SPEAKER_03 (23:31):
peyton went no

SPEAKER_02 (23:32):
no

SPEAKER_03 (23:33):
right so she's gonna go play pool on that not no

SPEAKER_02 (23:35):
right um julian is uh heading out and he stops by
close of a rose hoping to runinto brooke brooke's not there
but victoria is and he's likehuh you're brooke's mother and
he's like i'm julian Andbasically tells her to go fuck
herself.

SPEAKER_03 (23:54):
Yeah, she's like, well, you know, it's called
clothes over bros, right?
And he's just like, you're anabsolute sack of shit and go
kill yourself.

SPEAKER_02 (24:04):
Peyton and Lucas head home and it's been a big
day.
She's still supposed to be onbed rest.
So Lucas has been very worriedabout her with this whole thing.
But they've got the house alldecked up.
The doctor said

SPEAKER_03 (24:16):
it was okay.

SPEAKER_02 (24:17):
This is a huge fire hazard, but there was tons of
candles everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 (24:22):
All candles put out.
like you know lit up whenthey're not home for hours

SPEAKER_02 (24:27):
yep flower petals all over the place like white
flower petals what a

SPEAKER_03 (24:31):
hazard

SPEAKER_02 (24:32):
and uh he says you know i think you i have we have
enough time or whatever for onemore surprise i think you have
it in you for one more

SPEAKER_03 (24:41):
no she does not

SPEAKER_02 (24:43):
and he's like i gotta go out to the garage for a
second she's like oh and shelooks in their room and sees the
flowers all over the bed and thecandles and then

SPEAKER_03 (24:52):
it turns into carrie

SPEAKER_02 (24:53):
and then all of a sudden there's drops of blood on
the flower petals and she looksdown and then the next scene we
see Lucas is taking the coveroff the comet and he's going
back in and there's a puddle ofblood on the bedroom floor or

(25:13):
the floor like right going intothe bedroom and Peyton is passed
out like out cold.

SPEAKER_03 (25:21):
Wouldn't it make more sense if like Because he
already had the car ready.
So wouldn't he want to drive upto the wedding in it and just be
like, hey, look.
I mean, they all drive on grassall the time anyway, so what the
fuck do they care?

SPEAKER_02 (25:32):
Yeah, but he wanted it to be a specific kind of
surprise.
That wouldn't have been as muchof a surprise, I don't think.

SPEAKER_03 (25:39):
I think it would have been.
And for everybody, too.

SPEAKER_02 (25:42):
Yeah, whatever.
It

SPEAKER_03 (25:42):
would have been way cooler as opposed to waiting for
her to bleed out to death whenyou can't even show her the car.
I don't know.
This whole...
Second last episode, a weddingepisode, and it's like, meh.

SPEAKER_02 (25:55):
Oh, also, by the way, Nathan might be on shit
from his team because he skippedpractice entirely.
He wasn't excused from it.
And Bobby had some words for himabout that.

SPEAKER_03 (26:10):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, the only thing that I
feel that I'm really actuallyinto right now is Nathan's
basketball career.
That's the only thing that'ssomewhat gripping me right now.
Everything else is justbackground.
It's just honestly, dare I say,boring.
Not impressed.

(26:32):
Like the way the season startedout, I'd be like, this is right
up there with three and four.
But now it's like marginallybetter than last season.

SPEAKER_02 (26:43):
This gives me higher hopes though for like, the next
season though.
Yeah.
The way you're feeling rightnow.

SPEAKER_03 (26:49):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I'm just kind of over it.
I just kind of want a newseason.
I want new storylines.
I want some new characters.
I want something different.
Because honestly, Nathan andHaley and that part of the
family is the only ones I careabout.
And I'm not getting enough Danand Deb and all that stuff.

(27:09):
You get them periodically.
No Whitey whatsoever.
Just there's a lot missing.
There's not enough there.
I mean, you spend an entireepisode on a fucking wedding
that literally goes nowhere.
It's mostly about Brooke andJulian, this fucking wedding.
Right?
So, I don't know.

(27:29):
I'm just not feeling it.
It's a 2.20.

SPEAKER_02 (27:32):
Damn.

SPEAKER_03 (27:33):
Yeah.
Or

SPEAKER_02 (27:35):
just a 2.2 because, you

SPEAKER_03 (27:37):
know.
2.20.
Because for a go-home show tothe...
season finale man this fallsflat dude very very flat and
even with the whole you knowsupposed shock of Peyton at the
end and blah blah blah she'll befine we'll be in the hospital
the next episode as always butshe'll be fine I mean like I

(28:01):
said Hayley got fucking dumpedby a fucking car and did 17
flips and a triple Lindy hop andstill had the fucking kid so I
think this whole you knowwhatever fucking condition she
has

SPEAKER_02 (28:13):
placenta

SPEAKER_03 (28:14):
placenta previa um i just it's it's not doing it for
me it's just not so i'm readyfor these characters to leave
already get the fuck off myscreen i'm over it i'm over it
and that's that bro But there'splenty of characters we want to

(28:35):
see on this side of the THWF.
That is the December 7th, 1998edition of Monday Night Raw.
And it's coming to us,emanating, of course, from New
Haven, Connecticut.
We're going to start out with...
D-Generation X, but only threemembers of DX.

(28:57):
China, X-Pac, and the newlyreturned Triple H.
He is back.
He seems to be okay.
He's cutting a promo here, butbefore he can get anything out.

SPEAKER_01 (29:11):
Oh, you didn't know?
Jesse! James! Better callsomebody!

SPEAKER_03 (29:27):
Oh, you weren't aware of this?
Your posterior better contactsomebody! That's what the
corporate New Age outlaws aregoing to come out here with
their suits and their differentintros.

(29:48):
Ladies and gentlemen, boys andgirls, children of all ages, the
corporation proudly presents...
Your WWF Tag Team Champions ofthe World, Road Dog Esquire,
Badass Inc., the New AgeCorporate Outlaws.
They're here.
What's up with fucking New AgeOutlaws?

(30:09):
I

SPEAKER_02 (30:10):
don't like it.
I don't believe it.
They

SPEAKER_03 (30:11):
got suits.
They have bottled water thatthey're drinking with their
pinkies out.

SPEAKER_02 (30:15):
Oh, my God.

SPEAKER_03 (30:18):
Vincent Kennedy McMahon presents the new New Age
Outlaws.
Decked out in

SPEAKER_02 (30:24):
suits.
And even, like, because normallythey spit the water out.

SPEAKER_03 (30:28):
Don't they?
Sometimes, yeah.
Sometimes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (30:30):
They did, like,

SPEAKER_03 (30:31):
a...
They did the pink...
Yeah, yeah.
And the little pinkies andeverything.
And, you know, the heartbreakkid is out there full force.
And now, apparently, the outlawshave joined the corporation.

SPEAKER_02 (30:42):
Here's the thing.

SPEAKER_03 (30:42):
Yeah.
You called it, bro.

SPEAKER_02 (30:45):
Badass...

SPEAKER_03 (30:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (30:46):
...has the same, like...
blue slash black jacket.
It was a blue jacket.
It was a blue jacket, yeah.
With the beige pants.
Beige

SPEAKER_03 (30:56):
pants, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (30:57):
Same as Shawn Michaels.
And their hair looked verysimilar with the tied up at the
back.

SPEAKER_03 (31:02):
Tied up, blondish hair, yes.
Very similar.

SPEAKER_02 (31:05):
Something to note...

SPEAKER_03 (31:07):
But Shawn Michaels gets down in the ring and this
is the first face-to-faceconfrontation that Shawn
Michaels and Triple H have hadsince WrestleMania earlier this
year.
So we're almost going back likea good nine months, 10 months
since the last meeting that theyhad face-to-face and they go at
it.
Shawn Michaels tears down TripleH saying that he would be no one

(31:31):
without him, that he was ajobber on the undercard before
he started DX, right?
Triple H would be nothing.
To be fair, I feel a lot ofTriple H's popularity is in part
due to Shawn Michaels, givinghim that rub.
You know, being on the top ofthe card with a guy like Shawn

(31:52):
Michaels, he's a fucking legend,when Triple H is nowhere near
that status when he was broughtinto DX, right?
Yeah.
So Shawn Michaels definitely hassome sense here by saying all
this.
But yet Triple H comes backwith, well, guess what?
You dropped the ball and Ipicked it up and I became the
leader and you can't wrestleanymore.
So what are you going to doabout it?

(32:12):
And he's like, maybe I can'twrestle, but I can make you do
whatever I want.
And you're going to have a takematch with X-Pac tonight teaming
up against Shamrock and Bossman.

SPEAKER_01 (32:23):
And

SPEAKER_03 (32:24):
it's a nose qualification match.
So if the outlaws want tointerfere, they are more than
welcome to.
Get our first match of the nightafter the first segment.
In our second segment, we get...
Oh, you better recognize.
That's right.
In the new theme song as well,too.
D'Lo Brown, greatest Europeanchamp of all time.

SPEAKER_02 (32:45):
Fucking bobblehead.
No, he's not.
Against the greatest of alltime,

SPEAKER_03 (32:49):
Jeff Jarrett.

SPEAKER_02 (32:50):
Ew.

SPEAKER_03 (32:52):
Now, we noticed that on this episode of Monday Night
Raw, and that was a little bitof backstory.
You do have to...
just have some context to all ofthis, Michael Cole is doing
play-by-play.
And reason being two reasons.
Unfortunately, Jim Ross' mompassed away.
And not only that, too, thenight before, they were in

(33:13):
London, England, and they didCapital Carnage.
More or less just a house showfor the English fans.
But, you know, they had a bunchof matches.
They had Rock and X-Pac for theworld title.
Austin was there.
Jackie got her tits out as welltoo legit uh and uh it was
actually mark merrill's lastappearance had a match and i was

(33:36):
overshadowed by jackie's shirtcoming off uh but that's the
thing throughout this event andduring this event jr actually
fell ill with another bout ofbell's palsy so bell's palsy
having kind of a uh What do youcall it?
Drooping kind of face on oneside.
It's almost like a paralysis ofthe face or half of the face.

(33:58):
And he's gone through thisbefore, but now he's getting a
real bad bout of it.
And he had it happen.
And apparently he lost stressand that kind of stuff causes
it.

SPEAKER_02 (34:06):
It's like MS.
Stress amplifies my symptoms ormakes them come forward.
Actually, when I was starting tohave my first symptoms, my...
first symptom was partialnumbness of my face and my mom
was like oh that might be bell'spalsy that's what she initially

(34:27):
felt thought

SPEAKER_03 (34:28):
yeah

SPEAKER_02 (34:28):
yeah

SPEAKER_03 (34:30):
but uh yeah unfortunately he's been
wrestling wrestling with thatfor a long time in his life

SPEAKER_01 (34:35):
and he's not

SPEAKER_03 (34:36):
here and he's not gonna be the play-by-play
commentator for a while i

SPEAKER_01 (34:40):
get it

SPEAKER_03 (34:41):
though oh absolutely it's quite the health event and

SPEAKER_02 (34:44):
and like stress right like if you're in
situations where like things andfrom what you've said about like
the way that vince was kind oflike treating them um but not
just that too that would nothelp

SPEAKER_03 (34:58):
but not just that too we or at least you know jim
ross is the play-by-play guy

SPEAKER_00 (35:03):
yeah

SPEAKER_03 (35:04):
behind the scenes he is in charge of of um talent
relations so anything to do withthe wrestlers like getting them
to where they need to andbasically taking care of all the
shit with wrestlers that is onJR so you can imagine the amount
of stress yeah with dealing withyou know dozens and dozens and

(35:26):
dozens of these fucking crazyass wrestlers doing these
fucking things and who knowswhat especially at this time in
the attitude era so yeahdefinitely a ton of stress so
feel bad for him mhm At thetime, I thought we were unlucky.
We were getting Michael Cole.
But looking back, we're lucky toget Michael Cole because he is
the second goat.

SPEAKER_02 (35:47):
No, he did really good.
He's great.
At least it wasn't Vince.

SPEAKER_03 (35:53):
Yeah, exactly.
It wasn't Vince.
But also, too, is that nowMichael Cole is starting to
scratch that play-by-play itch.
And he's here.
He does a great job.
But I think back then, Iremember watching it.
back then during this time and alot of people were not happy
that Michael Cole was there justbecause he's not J.R.
J.R.
is a legend he's got the perfectvoice for it and Michael Cole

(36:16):
just wasn't him

SPEAKER_02 (36:17):
but knowing the reason you can't be pissed off
about the reason but

SPEAKER_03 (36:21):
I guess more people were pissed that it was actually
Michael Cole taking the spot

SPEAKER_02 (36:25):
I mean honestly I don't

SPEAKER_03 (36:27):
think there would have been no not just Vince
could have been Jim Cornette

SPEAKER_02 (36:31):
could have been Shane McMahon absolutely not
could have been

SPEAKER_03 (36:34):
fucking Michael Hayes

SPEAKER_02 (36:35):
I don't even know who that is

SPEAKER_03 (36:37):
Doc Hendricks

SPEAKER_02 (36:37):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (36:38):
No.
Could have been, you know,somebody along those lines.
So at least we got fuckingMichael Cole and he's going to
do a good job.

SPEAKER_02 (36:45):
But we've seen him do it once in a blue moon
anyway.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_03 (36:48):
for sure.
He was there when it was thethree man booth before as well,
too.
But looking back at thelegendary career of Michael
Cole, we definitely know that hewill more than suffice in
replacement of JR.
So we have a strip tease matchat the pay-per-view in
Vancouver.
So I got to see a strip teasematch in Rock Bottom.

(37:11):
And it's going to be JeffJarrett and Gold Dust.
Gold Dust wins, which we allneed this to happen.
Debra has to strip.
And if Jeff Jarrett wins,Goldust has to strap.
Oh, God.
So, yes, we're all cheering forGoldust big time.
But Goldust, in this match withD'Lo and Double J, he comes out

(37:32):
in a trench coat and startsrevealing himself to Debra.

SPEAKER_02 (37:37):
Mm-hmm.
Revealing himself.

SPEAKER_03 (37:38):
Revealing himself, in quotations.
And it costs Double J the match.
D'Lo rolls him up in a big win,and that's that.
Mm-hmm.
This was your favoritecommercial ever.
It's the new WWF cologne and theeau

SPEAKER_02 (37:57):
de toilette.
This was fucking awful.

SPEAKER_03 (37:59):
Eau de toilette for women.
These beatniks playing uprightbasses and doing a jazz number.
Do you smell what The Rock issmelling with this cologne right
now?
And it's just very beatnik...
jazz-inspired commercial.
It's pretty fucking awful.

SPEAKER_02 (38:20):
It was so bad.
It was

SPEAKER_03 (38:21):
really bad.
Vince McMahon also spoke atOxford University in Oxford,
England for some reason.
Did that while they were ontheir tour over there when they
did Capital of Carnage the nightprior.
We're going to get a tag teammatch with two heel teams,
Headbangers and The Brood.
And the only reason why it's twoheel teams is because Luna and
The Oddities come out andthey're going to start beating

(38:44):
the shit out of basicallyeverybody.
And uh tiger holly singh andbabu come in for some reason and
actually luna beats the shit outof tiger holly singh and babu
which is great

SPEAKER_02 (38:54):
uh

SPEAKER_03 (38:55):
so obviously a fuck finish and it's not like we ever
get real finishes on monday rawanyways

SPEAKER_02 (39:01):
like so rare

SPEAKER_03 (39:03):
very rare it's got to be a disqualification a count
out a brawl a no contest orinterference of some sort It's

SPEAKER_02 (39:11):
rarer than my steaks.
You

SPEAKER_03 (39:13):
can't have any finality on Monday Night Raw,
apparently.
We get Goldust and Owen Hart.
Owen, officially coming out ofretirement.
He announced on Sunday NightHeat that he's coming out of
retirement at rock bottom, butyet comes out of retirement
tonight.

SPEAKER_02 (39:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (39:30):
Six days before rock bottom.

SPEAKER_02 (39:31):
so silly i

SPEAKER_03 (39:33):
mean honestly owen's been there the entire time he
hasn't really left but then weget the reversal we get way
better instead of gold dustcoming out with the trench coat
we get deborah coming out withthe trench coat and revealing
herself to gold dust and owenbut actually owen gets more
distracted by it and gold dustrolls up only for the one two
three which is hilarious but

SPEAKER_02 (39:53):
it was funny because Goldust was like yeah that was
nice

SPEAKER_03 (39:57):
I like that I mean you know he used to be married
to Terry you know so he got youknow the golden titties and now
he's getting the puppies so he'sdown with

SPEAKER_02 (40:06):
that but it's weird it's weird to see Goldust back
again because we had like I wasa big like not a big Goldust fan
but like I was I was a fan Ithought he was pretty great and
then all of a sudden he did thiswhole porn dust thing and then
God God dust.
God dust.
Just dust.
And just like...

SPEAKER_03 (40:26):
He was the fucking New Year's baby one week.
He was his dad one week.

SPEAKER_02 (40:31):
It was just fucking weird.
He was just all over the place.
He went through this weirdstage.
And now that he's back to golddust, it's kind of hard to
appreciate him the same.
I'm sure I'll get there.

SPEAKER_03 (40:42):
OG gold dust.

SPEAKER_02 (40:43):
It's just I keep thinking about...
all the other shit in between.
You

SPEAKER_03 (40:47):
just don't have to think about that.
He's back to being OG Goldustnow.
He's the androgynous, thebizarre one.
It's

SPEAKER_02 (40:53):
just weird how they just switch characters so fast.
I mean, that's the thing.
Just willy-nilly, it feels

SPEAKER_03 (40:57):
like.
Yeah, but that's the thing,though.
Like, you know, they get stale.
Like, they're coming out,they're doing their thing,
people get tired of it.
So why keep doing the same thingwhen you can change it up and
actually get people talkingagain?
Right?
Like, look at The Rock.
Like, he came in as a babyface.
White, meat, fucking babyface.
Rocky Maivia.
My dad's a wrestler.
My grandma's a wrestler.
grandpa's a wrestler i have zerocharisma i suck i'm okay in the

(41:19):
ring and now i'm gonna get shotto the top because of my
bloodline quote unquote andpeople shit all over him because
he's this white meat baby facewho's you know the blue chipper
and smiles and kisses babies youknow and then what does he do he
fucking turns his back on thefans because they turn their
back on him and joins the nationright and then he's a heel right
for the better part of a yearand then eventually you know he

(41:41):
gets out of the nation and nowpeople start liking him so now
he's over as a baby face And afew weeks later, he joins with
the corporation and turns heelagain.
So he was face to heel to faceto heel.
And this is in, like, two years.

SPEAKER_02 (41:53):
Yeah, but he's still the same, like, character right
now.
Right

SPEAKER_03 (41:56):
now, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (41:57):
But then there's, like, Goldust has just been,
like...
Just all over the place, itfeels like.
But look

SPEAKER_03 (42:04):
at Undertaker as well, too.
I mean, Undertaker was a hugebabyface when we started and all
throughout the Kane

SPEAKER_02 (42:09):
deal.
I know, but he's still

SPEAKER_03 (42:10):
Undertaker.
Yeah, but now he's getting theseevil, evil intentions and doing
these crazy fucking demonicthings.
That's not what he was doingbefore.
So that's definitely a characterchange.
His characteristics havechanged.
The only thing is, I say withAustin, he's been the same
character the entire time.
It's just his opponents havechanged.

(42:30):
Yeah.
But you look at Vince VinceMcMahon, announcer, goes from
that to screwing over a bet tobeing one of the biggest, if not
the biggest heel in the company,right?
So you see the difference incharacters.
Look at Rockabilly.

SPEAKER_02 (42:43):
Yeah, but then we've also seen characters that are
one character one week, and thenthey're something completely
different, totally differentname.
Like

SPEAKER_03 (42:53):
Mick Foley?
A

SPEAKER_02 (42:56):
little bit, but like the lame ones, you know?

SPEAKER_03 (42:58):
Like who?

SPEAKER_02 (43:00):
Like fucking what's his nuts?
Al Snow?
He was something elsecompletely.
He was Leaf Cassidy.
Yeah.
But then he went

SPEAKER_03 (43:07):
away for a while and he came back as Al Snow.

SPEAKER_02 (43:10):
It's just weird.

SPEAKER_03 (43:10):
Yeah.
I mean, Mick Foley has been fourdifferent characters himself and
then the three

SPEAKER_02 (43:16):
faces of Foley.
But he makes fun of it.
I think he does that in a way tolike make fun of how often
people change characters in asense.
I don't think

SPEAKER_03 (43:24):
so.
I think it's more of just likehe wants to show people the
alter egos that he has, youknow?
Yeah.
It's more about like, yes, I'mthis character.
I'm the deranged mankind.
I'm this but i have a funny sideto myself but then i can also be
do love where i'm like you knowparty guy and with the ladies
but then turn corporate or icould be cactus jack he's just a
fucking madman and wants to putthree people through tables and

(43:45):
shit

SPEAKER_02 (43:46):
but he's still like royal rumble made for all

SPEAKER_03 (43:50):
three fucking characters

SPEAKER_02 (43:51):
by being all three in one night sure sure and like
that's what i think is hilariousi think that's funny but like

SPEAKER_03 (44:00):
my my favorite part of that three faces of foley in
the rumble earlier this year wasis that he was number one in the
rumble as cactus jack and as hewas coming down jim ross was
like oh yeah do love and mankindare staying at home tonight

SPEAKER_02 (44:14):
yeah that was so funny

SPEAKER_03 (44:16):
they didn't make it but cactus jack is here little
did we know a guy entered theroyal rumble three times we know
little did we know i

SPEAKER_02 (44:25):
knew beforehand because i saw a spoiler

SPEAKER_03 (44:28):
oh little did i know when i was originally originally
watching it on pay-per-view butuh hilariously

SPEAKER_02 (44:32):
it must have blew your mind oh

SPEAKER_03 (44:34):
i know well i was like sure cactus jack and then i
start hearing the mankind me islike what the fuck are you
pulling out here again and thehilarious thing about everything
is that a man entered the rumblethree times and still didn't win

SPEAKER_01 (44:46):
it

SPEAKER_03 (44:49):
wasn't even the final two so funny he was in the
final four he made it but thenit went down to Farouk Rock in
Austin and then Austin in Rockand then eventually

SPEAKER_02 (44:59):
Austin

SPEAKER_03 (45:00):
fuck Rook which we also have to talk about in this
episode as

SPEAKER_02 (45:03):
well I don't want to

SPEAKER_03 (45:04):
which before we do though at Capital Carnage in
England we had a few fans outhere one dressing up as Val
Venus because he's only in atowel and one who dressed up as
the Rock who did one hell of aRock impersonation

SPEAKER_02 (45:18):
especially for having a British accent great

SPEAKER_03 (45:20):
voice

SPEAKER_02 (45:21):
it was great

SPEAKER_03 (45:21):
Very well done.
Yeah, he was spot on.
He was big on that.

SPEAKER_02 (45:27):
He did a very good job of making sure he sounded
like The

SPEAKER_03 (45:31):
Rock.
Oh, for sure.
Yeah, top notch here.
Then we also have Godfather andVal Venus.
We're offering up hoes again,but we're offering them up to
Bob.

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They looked miserable.
Yeah, they did look terrible.
These hoes looked so miserable.
And they got in the ring andthey smiled, but walking to the
ring, fuck, the one looked likesuch

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a bitch.
Yeah, I know.
She was just like, this is apayday.
This is all this.
I don't care.
But before, we're offering uphoes to Vader.
We're offering up hoes toStephen Riegel.
We're offering up hoes to TigerAli Singh.
We're offering up hoes towhoever.
But now, we're offering up hoesto Bob.

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Random people.
Bob.

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Yeah.

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Bob.
Terrible.
Yeah.

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He looked a little serial killer-y.
A

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little bit, yeah.
He's just a very interestinglooking man.
But I love how Jerry the King ofLaw is just like, hey, if the
Salvation Army started offeringup things like this, maybe
business would be better.
uh very true uh we get nocontest because the acolytes are
out here they are the acolytesnow a new tag team old guys new

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tag team and remember when umbradshaw was teaming up with
terry funk and he turned on himand it was in a match against
Scorpio and Farouk and Bradshawjust kind of beat up everybody
but apparently that turned intoBradshaw teaming with Farouk and
becoming the Acolytes so theyare now a team but they're also

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coming out to Kurgan's old musicwhen he was like monster heel

SPEAKER_02 (47:11):
Kurgan yeah that's weird let's just recycle music

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once again Vince McMahon insulting our
intelligence by thinking thatwe're not going to remember that
the Acolytes music is KurganPlease tell me they change their
music.
They do change their music, yes.
But like I said, something'scoming.
They suck, though.
You'd be surprised, bro.

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We'll get there, brother.
Austin's out here.
STOCO! steve austin's here andhe's pissed off and you know
when was austin ever out hereand not pissed off true yeah
right it's kind of his thinghe's got some anger problems he
maybe needs to take angermanagement classes he'll

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probably be in the same class asken shamrock uh but obviously
he's not too happy with theundertaker with all the goings
on so much so that he had tostuff paul bear into a sewer
last week but luckily enough forpaul bear he's okay and he's
here this week even after thathappening to him.
But Undertaker has like apre-recorded promo and saying

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that he's going to sacrificeAustin to the Ministry of
Darkness.

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Ministry of Magic.

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The Ministry of Magic a la Harry Potter.
But this is not Ministry ofMagic.
This is the Ministry ofDarkness.
Do you feel that the Ministry ofDarkness is something that
Undertaker's been cooking up fora little bit?
Maybe as a stable of some sort.
Who could be in the stable withthe Undertaker?

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I have no idea, dude.
Look at the roster.
Who's a dark character rightnow?
Hmm.
Maybe they were already on thisshow.
Would make sense if they joinedthe Ministry of Darkness.
And then we get Undertaker'ssymbol.
It's a symbol! No, it's not across.
It's Undertaker's T symbol,although it does look like a

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cross, but it's the Undertakersymbol.
It's not a cross.
So the hilarious thing is Iheard on Bruce Prichard's
podcast is when this symbol gotintroduced.
they were told to not call it across.
It's not a cross.
We don't want any, like, youknow, religious kind of, you

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know, assumptions here.
We don't want any of that.
Let's just, it's a symbol.
It's the Undertaker symbol.
Let's not call it a cross.
You know what Jim Ross does?
Not in this episode, but he doesit later.
He's like, don't call it across.
It's a symbol.
It's not a cross! I don't wantanybody to think it's a damn
cross! It's a symbol! A And samewith Michael Cole.

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What's the symbol?
It's not a cross.

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It's a

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symbol.
And it lights on fire.
And maybe Austin will be on thatcross and it'll be a little on
fire as well.
We got a match between SteveBlackman and Tiger Ali Singh.
And Jerry the King Long isactually talking about Norman
Bates in this

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match.
Fuck yeah, he

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is.
It's all about, yeah.
Norman Bates is crazy.
Because I guess the remake ofPsycho came out around this
time.
And he's referencing good oldNorman and Norma Bates.
So good for them.
Very quick match.
Bicycle kick win for Blackman.
Thank you very much, my boy.
In the W column again.
But then fucking Blue Blazercomes down.
And he falls on the way to thering.

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And Owen comes out.
So obviously...
I don't know how many times Igot to try to say that Owen's a
blue blazer.
He's most obviously not becausehe's out here with the blue
blazer.

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And it's been almost every time blue blazers been
out.

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I would say 90% of the time blue blazers out.
Owen's out there with them.

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Yeah.

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So who knows who he is?

SPEAKER_02 (51:01):
It's just dumb that they keep trying to say he's he
is the blue blazer

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because

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he used to be the blue blazer.
So many things that point toknow at this point.
Are you stupid?
Yeah.

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But also, years back, Owen was the Blue Blazer

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as a character.
But if he repeatedly comes outat the same time...
But

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is he using somebody else to be the Blue Blazer for
him is the question.
I

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don't know.

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Right?

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It's not something I'm privy to.
I

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guess not.
And then Rolling Stone magazine,Stone Cold Steve Austin.
Getting a huge article onRolling Stone.
That was big time back then.
Rolling Stone was a hugepublication in the 90s.
Anybody who got into RollingStone, they were very well
known.
And obviously, wrestling is atits absolute fucking peak zenith

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at this time.
You know what my favoritemagazine was back in the day?

SPEAKER_03 (51:59):
Cosmo?
It's my guess.
That was one of my favorites.
Okay, so I got one.
Okay, let me...
I mean, mine was Playboy, so.
Just kidding.
WWF Magazine, brother.
No, Cosmo would be my guess.

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Alternative Press.

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Oh, AP.

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Nice.
Okay.
I loved AP.

SPEAKER_03 (52:22):
I could see that for sure.
Yeah.
Definitely.

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The emo girly.

SPEAKER_03 (52:25):
Yeah.
I also love GamePro and NintendoPower and official US
PlayStation Magazine.

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You're the nerd girly.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (52:35):
totally

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uh we got another throwaway match mark henry and
draws from lod china

SPEAKER_00 (52:42):
china china china people think i don't like china
i love china china china is thenew china by the way china china
china i deal with china chinachina big league china so don't
tell me about china i know chinachina and by the way i love
china i mean i love china Howcan you not love China?
I love China.
China.
China.

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We all love China here on the THWF.
And she actually helps MarkHenry win this match.

SPEAKER_02 (53:08):
Wild.

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She was stoked with the dancing last week.
She helped beat up some loserswith Mark Henry.
And now she's actually helpingMark Henry win matches.
Also, how many times did theyget China's ass on camera in
this episode?

SPEAKER_02 (53:21):
Oh, my God.
They zoom in on it.

SPEAKER_03 (53:23):
So many times.
Fuck.
We're all okay with it, though.
And Mark Henry, big win.
Big smiles.
all around that's my girl markhenry i don't know how triple h
feels about

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this i know i'm like

SPEAKER_03 (53:37):
speaking of triple h is right here in a tag team
match with him and xbox againstboss man and shamrock hbk and
the new new age outlaws thecorporate outlaws are at
ringside and of course they getinvolved near the end of the
match badass belly gun in withthe chair uh originally shamrock
was gonna nail uh triple h withthe chair and then guess what he

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Badass Billy Gun comes in, takesthe chair, and says, let me do
it.
Oh, no, he's not going to do itto Triple H or Xbox.
He's going to do it to Shamrock.
Just kind of nicks him, though.
I wish he hit him a little bitharder.
Because you know, we've seen itbefore, the ridiculously insane
chair shots that Ken Shamrocktakes from The Rock, from

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Mankind.
They fucking tee off on thisguy.
And unfortunately, Badassdoesn't really get all of this.
Could have been a little bitbetter.

SPEAKER_02 (54:24):
Here's the thing.
So when this whole thinghappened, because Shawn Michaels
and Badass were wearing verysimilar outfits and looked...
Basically, they were twinning.
Twinsies day at school.
I thought...

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At first glance, it was ShawnMichaels that had the chair and
was nailing

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Shamrock.
I guess the only tip off of thatwas that Shawn Michaels was
wearing a cowboy hat and BadassBilly Gun was not.

SPEAKER_02 (55:00):
Yeah.
But definitely from afar, it waslooked that way.
You could easily make the

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distinction.

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But also, because I did not buy the New Age Outlaws
book, being a part of thecorporation for one second yeah
even like last episode when theywere kind of hinting towards it
that they're looking atcontracts and stuff like i did
not buy it

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that's a thing like when something happens so
suddenly and there's not a lotof reasoning behind it

SPEAKER_02 (55:35):
mm-hmm

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you feel like we're just setting up for another
swerve, right?
Yeah.
You know, it's just like, whydoes Vince McMahon hate The Rock
all of a sudden?
Yes.
Oh, here's the answer.
Why does New Age Outlaws feellike they should join the
corporation willy-nilly?
Oh, okay, this is why, right?
Mm-hmm.
Totally.
So, obviously, if you have someplanning into something, they've

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been

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thinking about it for a while.
They need to do a little bitmore, like, make it go on a
little, like, convince us alittle bit longer.
Plant

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the seeds.
Yeah.
but that's the thing that'sthat's a lot of things that they
have done like perfect exampleis uh the rock taking over the
nation right it's like he's inthere farooq's the leader but
then week after week rock keepscoming out and saying like hey
hey uh let's let the leader ofthe nation talk and rock takes
the mic and starts talking youknow just little things like

(56:26):
that so you can see with somestorylines they do plant seeds
And they definitely do it over alonger period of time.
It's just recently with a coupleof these, you've seen it's very
spur of the moment sudden, andthat's why we're getting the
extra swerves, right?
But, you know, Vince Russo'srearing his ugly head in the
booking again.
I mean, it felt like afterwatching SummerSlam tonight,
Russo was a big part ofSummerSlam 2025 after all the

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bullshit and gaga that was goingon the last two nights.
But be that as it may, OutlawSwerve DX is reunited.
Everyone's sucking it again.
Mankind's been looking forAustin all night, and I don't
know why he's looking all overthe place.
He easily could have just wentto Austin's locker room, which
he does, and drops off a garbagebag full of beer for austin so i

(57:12):
mean if you're gonna give austina gift may as well be some beer
something he likes and then gofigure 1998 this is insane
because you look back and it'slike oh what's the uh you know
tv main event on monday nightraw oh just hall of famer hall
of famer versus hall of famerhall of famer you know just
willy-nilly let's book four ofthe most legendary wrestlers of

(57:34):
all time against each other andalmost a throwaway tag team
match Like, do you get thatthese days?
And we're just like, oh yeah,we're going to have, you know,
The Rock and The Undertakerteaming up against Stone Cold
Steve Austin and Mankind.
Yeah, that's weird.
Just like that.
Yeah, because you look at likeMonday Night Raw main events in
the last like 10 to 15 years andit's like, oh great, it's
fucking, you know, Drew McIntyreand fucking...

(57:57):
Logan Paul against Jelly Rolland Heath Slater.
It's like, oh, okay.
Back in 98, they just randomlydo four legendary wrestlers in a
take

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match.

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And yeah, Corporation comes in.
They handcuff Mick Foley to thefucking ropes.
It's a DQ.
We get the symbol out again.
And they...
Dump Austin.
Take him out.
And then they put him on thesymbol.
And they raise him up.
As like a sacrifice.

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An offering.
A sacrifice of sorts.
Except this time Undertakerdoesn't set it on fire.

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This time.

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This time.
I mean, we're having a BuriedAlive

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match.
We're probably still figuringout the kinks on this thing a
little bit.
Ironing it all out.
It's not the

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first time we're going to see the symbol.
I have a feeling it's not thefirst.
But we have a Buried Alive matchin Vancouver in six days.
Oh,

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boy.
Oh, boy.
What

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do you got for this episode, girlie?

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3.8.

SPEAKER_03 (59:11):
3.8.
Very nice.
Another decent rating here.
And we're going to head into,amazingly enough, a pay-per-view
and a season finale on our nextepisode.

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That happened like

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once.
A loaded episode.
1.30 next.
week where we got rock bottomfrom vancouver at general motors
place and we're still talking iwas still called that and i was
in the 300 section four and uhwe also have the season six
finale of oth so here we are atyour wf.podcast on the socials

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i heart what uh you should start saying the
streaming service is muchquicker because I get through my
part really really fast so yougotta try to do it faster when
you say spot

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yeah but usually by this time I'm either super baked
or drunk

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fair enough that's very true

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so

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very true brother You're not lying.

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You're realizing.
We

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got quite the loaded episode next week for you.
We got lots to talk about.
This is not even, we just hitthe one hour mark.
And we're going to call it a dayas I am Sean Harris.
And I am Erin Kosker.
We will bid you a hearty adieu.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:29):
And I say bye, bitch.