Cool or Corny? The Price of Being Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
all right.
Welcome back to another episodeof the trenches of trophies
podcast.
We've been gone for a minutebut we back now.
We bike, I'm bike, all right.
First episode since a lot ofthings have changed.
I done had a little one.
You know, life be lifin uh,congratulations, brother,

(00:35):
congratulations appreciate you.
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While we took a break, wehaven't released the episode in
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We're gonna jump into somethings that, uh, I feel like
it's gonna, we're gonna, we'regonna set the tone for what this
new season is going to be about.
For sure, for sure.
So, starting off, we was justlaughing about it before
everything got started.
But this, this guy, channingCrowder, bro, this guy, channing
Crowder and his comments onRussell Wilson.

(01:20):
So there have been so manyquotables.
But before we, before we gettoo deep, I also want to connect
that, like he not the first oneto say this, so a lot of people
are like treating ChanningCrowder like he's a villain
because he's passionate aboutwhat he's saying.
But it's a lot of people,unfortunately, like ex football
players who have shared, youknow, locker rooms in the field

(01:43):
with bro and they say they feelthe same mindset.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
They got the same mindset a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
But I so one.
I'm gonna start with this quote.
So one of the things thatChanning Crowder said, he
literally was telling bro hesaid he's a fucking duck.
I don't care what he does, he'slame, Right.
So that to me speaksspecifically to I'm not talking
about his behaviors, Right.
So that to me, speaksspecifically to I'm not talking
about his behaviors, Right.
Like I'm not talking about howgood of a father he is or how

(02:11):
good of a husband he is.
I just feel like he's a lameperson.
Right Now, before we get intohow we feel about Channing
Crowder's comments specifically,what do y'all feel like is lame
?
Like what would you qualify asa lame person?
Like you was around somebody,y'all was kicking it, whatever.
You was introduced to a newgroup of dudes, what would be
like nigga lame.

(02:32):
Like what would make you saythat?

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Lame to me is it's not Russell Wilson.
Okay, lame to me is the dudethat we hanging out with and he
goes and he trying to get on allthese females and every time
somebody shut him down he likeoh well, you know what I'm
saying.
Like like he going off, likethat's lame to me.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Or that dude that's been around a bunch of females,
and then he start getting out ofpocket and how he normally act.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Right, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
He want to be extra aggressive, with all his homies
trying to fight them in front ofa female but no one with just
his homies.
He'll be kicking back andchilling.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Do y'all feel like your definition of lame now is
different from your definitionof lame back in the day?

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
What would you have considered it to be back in the
day?
Do you feel?
like it's more reflective, okay,it's more reflective, okay, and
I think that's all right.
All right, so that's what Iwant to deal with.
Right, because I feel likethere's a definition of culture,
the culture that they would saywhat's lame and what's not, and
then maybe how you feel as anindividual, if you feel like
this person is lame or they'renot, because I feel like lame

(03:37):
for the, for us, for the peoplein the black culture or hip-hop
culture, however you want todefine it, lame was always like
how you dress, how you presentedyourself, like the type of
games or like movies and type ofstuff you was into, like like
the cats in high school that hadtheir own table, was playing
yugioh and pokemon cards andstuff like that.

(03:58):
That's what we used to label aslame.
Right, they ain't had nothingto do with their individual
personalities or how they showedup.
It just was like you, niggas,is that the lunch table playing?

Speaker 2 (04:08):
yugioh.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
It was just like them dudes isbeing themselves bro, the most
confident ones.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
That's the crazy part .
Everybody else was trying to bethe same type of person.
We all was wearing the sameclothes with same music, trying
to do the same type of thing.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Like you know, I'm saying they was individuals they
had a high level of attentionto detail as well, because to
learn all of those things andplay those cards the way that
they did, like the reason why Ididn't want to do it, a lot of
people didn't want to do it.
It was really complex.
You know, you had to learn allof this stuff about cards and

(04:45):
stuff, but that is definitelylame.
That was lame to me back then,but like so you're gonna do it
now like what you said.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
It was lame to you back then, so are you going to
participate now?

Speaker 3 (04:57):
hell, no, all right.
So what?
I'm not gonna go play yugiohcards, but but why?

Speaker 2 (05:02):
not, let's say if my.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
If my son or my daughters was playing it, I
would encourage it at this point.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
I think that's the difference, though, because even
when Fred responded to whatShannon was saying, he was like
he got a son that's on thespectrum and he feel like he
pushes everything through.
That lens right Like, look atwhat my kids are going through.
So, I feel like you personalizeit when you do it like that and
the whole thing with being thelame, is it?

(05:28):
It's more like what uh ryansaid.
So I don't know if y'all callryan uh clark's comments, but he
was saying there were differenttimes where different things
were considered lame, right?
so like it is, it was kind oflike generational yeah, like,
like we remember we was talkingabout the other day Jaboz, like
there was a time where Jaboz wasthe toughest thing walking and

(05:49):
then there was a time where yougot all Jaboz.
You know what I'm saying.
It's a different vibe, so I doagree with that side of it.
I think that Lane OK, and I'mgoing to answer the question for
myself Lane to me has alwaysmeant like not socially
acceptable Right myself.
Lane to me has always meantlike not socially acceptable
right, like there's a bar thatwe consider socially acceptable
and that's in any, any situation, even in like little white

(06:11):
schools.
You see it on disney movies andstuff.
Like there's the elite athletesthen it's like cheerleaders and
popular kids, like you knowwhat I'm saying.
And then you got like thetheater kids and stuff.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, like funny, as them shows they have bullies and
the bullies was like adifferent group.
Yeah, bullets was like growingup A lot of time.
The bully was at least thebullies was the cool niggas.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, like the cool niggas made fun of the cool kids
, but that's what we would haveconsidered lame.
I do think, though, as an adult, there are lame qualities that
I think kind of bridge the twoclasses, like uh, like there's
social awkwardness in general,like you, kind of just socially
awkward, you don't really knowhow to navigate like a

(06:54):
conversation with just normalpeople.
That makes you seem quoteunquote lame.
Right, you know what I mean toyou now, to me, I don't use the
term lame, I don't really care.
There's people I gravitate toand people I don't gravitate to.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
So, as of right now, you don't have a definition of
what lame is to you now.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
I mean, lame to me is people like fathers who don't
show up Stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
That's dead meat though?

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, but even so you're trying to say the same
thing.
Yeah, Like DJ, Envy was like uh, corner boys are lame now and I
would, I would.
I wouldn't strongly agree asmuch because I feel like a lot
of people don't have as manyoptions, but I do understand
that we don't live the same waywe lived in the nineties and
there are a lot more optionsthan just being a corner boy.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Me personally, my definition or my example of
somebody that's lame is somebodythat's bigging up something
stupid Like oh bro, I got 50,000guns with 200 million bullets.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Like I'm like, yeah, that's lame as hell.
Good for you, right, right,that's lame as hell.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Good for you, bro.
Like what you know, that's lameto me.
You know what I'm saying, but Idon't consider russell wilson
as lame.
Like to me.
Channing crowder is a littleimmature for saying that you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Like, yeah, I mean he said I feel like his
perspective on a lot of thingsare you saying lame for saying
that?

Speaker 2 (08:21):
yeah, yeah, yeah I wouldn't call him lame I feel
like his no his approach isMonte said like, but I, I so.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Do you feel like there's any credit to the fact
that multiple people have saidit, and a lot of them being,
like ex-football players?
You know what I'm?

Speaker 2 (08:39):
saying so it goes into that category.
We was talking about what youmean, like you breaking it up to
them groups, the footballplayers, like you feel like it's
more too specific to them.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, so okay.
So what do you think would havebeen different, though?
Because, like, in my opinion,when you think of somebody lame
and you playing a sport withthem, that's a hell of a
judgment, because, like thing,so how did you display lame
behavior?

Speaker 3 (09:03):
but he was saying stuff like putting moose in his
hair and wearing tighty-whitiesand stuff like that, and that's
the thing that like he, helooking at him, like you, a
grown man doing those type ofthings and it's like what's
wrong with that grown man doingwhat the fuck he want to do?

Speaker 1 (09:21):
how he was raised, or whatever.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, what's wrong with him not wanting to go out
with y'all and go home to hisfamily.
You know, I'm saying he don'twant to spend all his money at
the club and do what y'all doing.
That's like.
It's kind of like he was likelook I, yeah, I'll go do your
thing, I want to go home, like.
You know, I'm saying like, andhe like bro you lame as hell.
That's how it seem.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
You know, I'm saying that's my perspective on how
he's making it seem yeah me, asfar as like lame I've never
really used that word, like eventoday I'll be saying things
like this is goofy.
As far as the characteristic ofthe thing that you're doing,
like you're just a goofy person.
I'm not calling you a lameperson.
You do something that's weirdor something that's off the

(10:03):
rails to me.
I'm not calling you lame, I'mjust saying that particular
thing that you're doing is funnyor goofy or weird.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, I mean he definitely an old man for
bringing that turn back.
That's like what niggas besaying tight Like drop it, drop
it.
He goofy.
He's a goofy a person who islame like nah man dude, he's

(10:30):
just more proper bro yeah, kidstaking care of somebody else,
child you know what I'm saying,right?

Speaker 2 (10:32):
yeah, that's another thing we can.
We can talk about it that's awhole another situation.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
You saying russell, wilson goofy he do some goofy
things.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
I'm not saying like he engages in goofy things, like
he does huh, like what his?

Speaker 2 (10:46):
just his mannerisms, just like we was talking about
this guy.
Go yo.
You saw his mannerism and youthat's totally different how I
couldn't.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
I wish I could bring up exact moment now you know,
I'm saying but I've definitelyseen moments like nah, he goofy,
you know that's, that's goofy,you know I'm saying but he's the
proper black kid, though he wasthe kid who grew up more you
know, speaking well, and hisbehavior Like he didn't.
Just like how we kind ofcategorize white folks sometimes
, like we don't expect rhythm,like when they have it it's like

(11:17):
, oh, but we don't expect thatright, there's a quality that
they have, quality that theyhave.
I wouldn't say like all whitepeople are lame, but the way
that they approach music ordancing sometimes it's kind of
questionable.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
You know what I mean.
So it's like I got a clientthat has a funny laugh, a goofy
laugh.
I'm not calling them lame, butit's definitely a funny laugh as
soon as you laugh, I'm gonnalaugh with you.
It's gonna sound like I'mlaughing at you, but I'm
laughing with you because you'relaughing.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
But I feel like that's part of the culture and I
think that's the thingsometimes that we struggle with
is that culture says one thinglike the culture has always been
a very particular way.
One thing I can say about blackculture is that, like we rarely
evolve in our thought, like wealways coming up with new dances
, new trends and stuff like that, but the way that we kind of

(12:04):
categorize it has always beenthe same.
Right, like you gotta have thispair of shoes to be cool.
Right, you gotta have this typeof dress on to be cool.
Like you know what I'm saying?
Like we've always been thosetypes of people and I think,
going back to the podcast andquote new, I think it does have
a lot to do with the fact thatthat's just what black people
are.
We always have been thetrendsetters, we always was the
cool people in the room, likeyou know what I mean.

(12:26):
But at the same time, do wehave to hold all of us to that
standard, because that's when westart getting into you know
what I'm saying?
it's like okay, well, it'ssupposed to be cool people and
uncool people.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
That's how you know you different from a mom you
know what I mean funny peopleand people that's not so funny
like but.
But see, I had awkward friendslike that that just wanted to
play the video game.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, we was just cool and thatwas pretty much our
relationship.
You ain't call them lame, youknow.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
But that's a.
I will say this, though.
So at home we was cool, we wasjust friends.
At school, though, there wasthe box I was in, yeah, and they
were in the box that peoplewould have considered lame.
I was in, yeah, and they werein the box that people would
have considered lame, you knowwhat I'm saying, Like not that I
would have necessarily placedthem there.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
So did you kick it with them outside of school?

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, I mean, but I kicked it with people who were
considered lame in school.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
I never was the type of person who like secluded from
people.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
I was always middle, but I wasn't considered a
popular kid, you know so.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah, same, but I did too.
I kicked it with some of theunpopular people you know, and I
was popular, so my popularfriends didn't care.

Speaker 2 (13:41):

Speaker 3 (13:44):
What they gonna say you can't be popular no more,
and you know I'm saying so.
And with, with chan and crowder, it's like he was the person
who was was the one that waspart of the group and was like,
nah, if he hang with him, thenhe can't come back yeah, I mean
bro judging them off his drawsbro bro he said, because he got
tighty-whities on, I just didn'twear white drawers.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
The little ones.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
He said the little ones, bro, all right, so enough
on them.
I think we all agree that onecall another grown man.
Lame is not necessarily notvocabulary, right?
Nah Use?
A goofy Goofy, but also thereare socially acceptable norms
that we should be aware of, likewe.
We know that that stuff exists,so I want to pivot a little bit

(14:30):
now.
This been going crazy in themedia as well.
Have y'all listened?
How many of the young thugcalls have y'all listened to?
Have y'all listened to all ofthem?
Just some of them?

Speaker 2 (14:39):
several, I mean all the ones that have been.
If I listen to it probably if Imiss, probably one or two.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
But pretty much how you feel, Montay.
You feel like you're on thesame token.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
The only one that I didn't hear was the one with
Savage Okay, that's the one.
I ain't hear that one.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
And I think that's cool.
I ain't going to necessarilytry to talk about some of the
ideals that Thug has, because ifyou watch the the interview he
just had with Matt, he wastalking about how he used to
look up to Lil Wayne and he usedto look up to like the hot boys

(15:16):
and he used to have this likeoutlook on life and then after
his brother died, after hisbrother got killed in front of
him, he switched Right and thenthat's when he started looking
up to all the cats in theneighborhood.
He's like the steppers, theniggas, who was really, you know
, standing on business in theneighborhood.
Yeah, and I feel like that tiesdirectly into what the culture
or what you know what we wouldhave considered growing up as

(15:39):
lame versus cool, like it wasusually based on somebody in the
hood or in our school that welooked up to, like they was
doing certain things or engagingin certain behaviors, and we
was like, yeah, that's who Iwant to be like or that's who
I'm going to model myself after.
So, when it comes to these likeyoung thugs' behavior, what he

(16:00):
was saying because Mack waschallenging him on it he was
like I feel like you ain'tlearned that.
I feel like you've been doingthat.
You didn't realize when you gotoff that you were supposed to
change your behavior.
You're supposed to not be outhere dissing cats and blowing up
the spot and doing all thisextra stuff.
You're supposed to take that asa blessing, right?
But Doug was telling me I feellike that's because I'm just now

(16:21):
realizing how like messed up Iam.
Like I didn't realize thiswhole time.
But like the people, I lookedup to the stuff I was engaging
in.
I never looked at that as bad.
I always looked at that as cool.
Yeah, that's what people aroundme was doing.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
It's not trauma, it's normal.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah.
So for him he equated it tocool points.
Equated it to cool points.
That's what the the dope catchin my neighborhood was getting
into.
So when I think about now, likewhat we would have considered
lame back in high school versuswhat we consider cool now, is
the same issue that we sayChanning Crowder got he looking
at it as in we got cool pointsto give out to grown men and

(16:59):
thug unfortunately operate onthat same wavelength and that's
why he feel like he was spazzingthe way he would.
You see what I'm saying.
So how y'all feel, about that.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
I just wanted to connect those two things.
For me it's two differentsituations, because bro was in
jail and watching people that hedid stuff for turn, not even
turn on him.
They just was speaking on stuffthat they shouldn't be speaking
on.
You know what I'm saying,especially on the stand, and you

(17:34):
gotta think about you that youhave to put yourself in his
shoes for a second.
I don't give a damn what theysaid.
When I get out of thiscourtroom I'm at them like you
know what I'm saying.
That's because of his mentality,you and you all, right, so I'm

(17:56):
gonna wrap a whole bunch of shitin here.
His mentality going into jail,he was the man he was changing
before all of this, right?
Yeah, all he was doing music onmusic, on music, getting out of
the streets.
I well, I'm not gonna say thatbecause I don't personally know,
but it seemed that he wasgetting out of the streets,

(18:17):
right?
So then you lock him up, and weall, as we all know, in the
prison system, they just lockyou up, bro.
They don't do nothing with you.
You know I'm saying so.
Now put a person who was tryingto change and get away from this
in a in in a box and you doingit for stuff that was done a

(18:39):
long time ago.
That's going to piss you off.
And then you got all mypartners in here telling on me
oh yeah, I'm mad, I'm pissed,you know what I'm saying Like,
and then at the end of the day,when you in the courtroom, you
ain't got nothing on me.
Y'all don't got nothing on mefor real.

(19:00):
The nigga had to cop out on aplea for nothing.
Yes, I'm pissed and I'm finna,go at gunner.
Because nigga, yes, ma'am youtelling these folks, like he
said on the call, bro?
He said, bro, it wouldn't evenbe no rico if that nigga didn't
plead to that.
It wouldn't have been no Rico.
He, the one who said it was agame and all of that shit.

(19:23):
It started with that nigga.
Like motherfuckers, don't bepaying attention to that.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Refresh my memory though real quick on that case.
I know you watched more than Idid in that series, so they used
Gunner's statement against Thug.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
So they couldn't use his statement against him.
But because he said that yslwas in reference to gang or
something like that yes, ma'am,like that was like okay, we got
to go ahead was he the only onethat did?
Hell.
No, it was a couple of themthat, but I put it like this it

(20:02):
was a couple of them that saidit, but they danced around that
shit.
You feel me like he.
It was in there and he said yes, ma'am, like it was, it was
verbally said, like what I heard.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
I thought I think because of his plea, I thought
he had to say the answers eitherwere yes or no.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah, but here's the thing, true, but you got your
lawyer standing there.
Why would your lawyer even haveyou say something like that,
knowing that it's going toaffect everybody in the party
and you being the person whocontrol your lawyer?
But I'm not saying yes, ma'am,to that.
You know what I'm saying you.
I know it's a big thing aboutyou.
Know what I'm saying you.

(20:40):
I know it's a big thing aboutyou know what I'm saying.
Standing tall and stuff likethat, bro, I ain't gonna say, I
ain't gonna say that, bro, likeseven months or eight months,
that that he was locked down,brother, he wasn't going through
it mentally.
But at the same time, bro, you,you not thinking about
everybody else, that's on thiscase, bro and you saying things

(21:01):
that are going to, I mean, hurteverybody.
On this case, bro.
That's like you thinking aboutyourself and then get out and be
like, yeah, bro, like we cool,no, bro, like no, you don't.
And you will piss me off evenmore because you my homeboy and
don't understand what you didwas fucked up.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Who you think paid for his lawyers he did who gonna
gun hell?

Speaker 3 (21:26):
yeah, he ain't broke hell.
No, they probably paid fortheir own lawyers his assets is
froze.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Who in it from the uh government?
He had access to his assets.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah all right.
So you know I mean you got.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
You got ti, you got mariah, you got savage you got
baby.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
You know whatug yeah, alright, so you got you got TI,
you got Mariah, you got Savageyou got Baby.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Like you got all it's a narrative going around.
I'm not saying I agree, I'mjust bringing this stuff up
cause it's a narrative goingaround that Gunna was the one
paying for thugs lawyers when hegot out okay, so that's also
why he kept quiet on a lot ofthings and let it play out,
because little did y'all know,I'm doing this for this man.
I'm going to bite the bullet,but I'm doing this for this man.

(22:07):
I'm going to let y'all bash meand all that, but y'all don't
know that I'm actually trying toget out of the situation.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
All right, cool, check this out.
We go rob a bank and you tellon me and I get out nigga, don't
offer me, don't, don't try tohelp me while I'm in jail,
because you because you done ranoff with the million dollars,
nigga, and told on me no, itain't cool, it still ain't cool.
I don't give a fuck if you gotall the money and pay for my
lawyers, hell, no, that make meeven more mad, because, nigga,
that make me feel like youguilty.

(22:34):
I'm gonna fuck you up when Iget out of jail.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Like that'll piss me off bro.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Like oh now, because first of all, my shit froze in
jail.
If your shit ain't frozen, youshould have been taking care of
my shit, just because wepartners like that and I got
your back.
That's how it go If you get outand you wasn't doing it before
you like yeah, I'm a cash out on, bro, man.

(23:02):
Hold on, keep that in yourpocket, bro.
You already said yes, ma'am.
A thousand times, bro, it'sover with you know what I'm
saying?

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Like I mean, I get you because a lot of that,
that's the perspective.
The guy Right, he literallyasked.
He was like what grown man isgoing to respect it?
Like what grown man is going torespect it?
Like what grown man is going torespect that move and be like I
, yeah, I'm cool, I'm cool withhim, with him doing X, y and Z
Right.
But I say this do we reallycare?
And I mean like.

(23:30):
I want to be honest, bro, causethere's a lot of cats Like we
again, as the culture, way right, but as individuals, when we
hear these things, especiallyabout celebrities, do we
actually give a damn like,actually, for real, for real.
Okay, look, I'm gonna prefaceit by saying this there are a
lot of cats.
Let's go all the way back intime to the chief keep song

(23:52):
niggas feel away, bro.
Do you remember with the kingvon and shit?
Like bro, niggas feel away.
Sometime when this, when thisrap stuff come out, bro, cats
pick sides and they really feellike no, if that, nigga, do this
, bro like and we'll fight overit.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Type shit, listen when thug went to jail, yeah, I
felt that shit because of mypast and me trying to change.
And I I listened to his music.
I even defended the nigga whenhe was wearing a dress because
it was publicity oh, you see I'msaying like I, it's just, bro,

(24:29):
you can't, I just.
But you can't go in the streetfrom the street and put on a
dress and niggas not fuck withbro.
Like niggas did not say nothingabout that, like they was
talking on the internet, but youain't.
Nobody would go up to YoungThug and be like, hey, bro,
what's up with that dress?

(24:49):
It was going to be a problem.
You see what I'm saying.
So for me that was publicity.
You know what I'm saying, so Irock with that.
I also think it was expression.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
So and the reason I feel that way is two different,
two different things.
One, people like Dennis Rodman,because when nobody have said
that shit to that you know whatI'm saying I think that to this
day we're going to leave thatnigga alone, you know.
But also I know the interviewis new.
Now I was going to say, bro,bro admitted up to, and like

(25:20):
having to wear his sisterclothes, like literally waiting
for her to get done with schoolto wear his sister clothes.
So I kind of feel like in anartistic kind of way.
That's him saying, like I'vehad to wear girl clothes before.
Like you know what I'm saying,like this is like this way of
like telling a story type ofthing.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
But he also wanted to stand out.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, story type of thing, you know what I mean.
But he also wanted to stand out.
He was the only player in thenba that had like 11 piercings.
But yeah, oh, okay, I'm yeah,you right, I ain't know that my
fault.
You talking about robin too,man, my fault.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Look, look, let me get better at my storytelling so
when I run that back, I'm gonnarun that back right.
So on dennis robin I was justtalking about, nobody was gonna
step to that nigga either, basedon the way that he normally
holds himself.
Now, pivoting back to Thug onthat interview, I know it's new
information so I want y'all togo back and find it.
We'll probably bring this backup.
But he was saying he wasliterally waiting for his sister

(26:12):
to leave school because hewould have to wear her clothes.
He was talking about how he gotlike 15.
It was like 15 of them and sohe grew up in the project.
So it wasn't like they had abunch of stuff.
You know what I'm saying and,as somebody who has all sisters,
my mama definitely tried to putme in my sister's old jeans and
stuff.
I wasn't having it.
But at the same time I couldsee how that, unfortunately, is

(26:33):
a part of his lineage.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
I'm laughing because I'm sorry, bro.
I'm just trying to picture thiscat putting them on and like
them was not fitting the same.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Bro Boxing and stuff bro Like like.
Why this hug in my hips, bro?

Speaker 2 (26:44):
I'm good, it don't feel right.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Bro, this the importance of fathers in your
son's lives.
Right Like because moms gotdifferent boundaries.
That's how I say it.
They got different boundaries.
Moms was like, hey, nigga, theyjeans Put.
They got different boundaries.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Moms was like hey nigga they jeans, Put them jeans
on.
That was back in the day.
That was back in the day,though I mean.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
But jeans were also like, yeah, girls' jeans, even
back then, was like kind ofmasculine.
They wasn't necessarily, butstill nigga, no, straight up and
down.
I was like nah, bro, I sawPivot Story, right Nigga, while
I was going to.
It was a skate party.
I remember from my track teammy mom tried to put me in my
older sister's some of hershorts.
Bro, them mothers was huggingmy hips.
I refused, I sat on the couch.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
I sat right there, Nope, nigga not going I refused
to go.
Bro, I ain't never dude, Iain't bro, I swear to.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
God, bro, cause I got two older sisters, so I'm
surrounded by women, so shealready buying a lot of clothes
for the girls, right, and thenthink about it, dude, clothes
have always cost more than women.
So then she was trying to cutcorners.
You feel me I'm saying, butthat's why I'm saying like, bro,
I'm sorry bro, I had to fightso many, so many battles.

(27:53):
You know what I mean it's okay.
Look.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Okay, like I said, we made it.
We made it.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
It's all good, all right, but look so pivoting a
little bit because I feel likethat the whole gunner and thug
thing is kind of personal.
But new information stillcoming out, so we're going to
pause on that one.
Something a little bit funnierlet's talk about what he said
about young Glorilla.
Wow, did I hear what?
What fam said about?

Speaker 2 (28:17):
I mean you can tell me what he said?
That's probably one thing Ididn't hear per se.
I kind of read about it, youknow what I'm saying.
So but what I from what I heard, he was, you know, kind of ugly
and all that, yeah.
But specifically.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
all right, I'm going to quote this.
He said long ass bullshit, wigskinny shit, big ass head, big
mouth.
I would not pursue her like atall Big ass, nose.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah bro, like he was going, he said hey, I'm a quote
.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Man watch out.
It's not funny bro Because it'smessed up, Because I got a
daughter now and I wouldn't wantnobody to talk about her like
that.
But honestly speaking, I feellike in today's day and age,
regardless of who you are,you're not allowed to call
nobody ugly no more.
I feel like back in the daypeople called Whoopi Goldberg
ugly on TV.

(29:11):
People called her that to herface almost.
She about fixed about 80% ofthe stuff he talked about.
Yes, all of it.
Unfortunately, right, andthat's the thing.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Now she has glammed up a lot, you know money does a
lot for you, you know I meanresources a dentist all of those
things they do.
They ain't got room to speaktoo much, boy, he really don't,
but that's what they said.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
He was jack because he called her twin.
He was like he was like sheugly twin and that's what people
said.
That's like nigga twin and sheugly how the fuck?

Speaker 2 (29:43):
no, she, but that's the lingo, that's their lingo.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
like they say twin, I mean yeah, but that's what they
just it was a play on words.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
That's why I'm saying twin though, because you ain't
finna say I'm saying you, mypartner, like that, my twin but
thug was going in, bro, he wasgoing in on gorilla he was going
in on 21, future, future.
One thing, okay, let me let me.
Let me let me talk, I guess,about future, because he brought
that up and stuff.
Yeah, you know what you got myhow he is as a father you think

(30:12):
he has a right to, I guess, hadthat standpoint and what he said
about future pluto, about himhe was coming to him as being a
father and having all these kidsand different people.
How many kids does Thug have?
He got a lot of kids, I don'thave the number.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
If I'm not mistaken, he still take care of all of
them.
I don't know.
I really don't have liberty tospeak on that.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
When you say take care of, what do you mean by
that?

Speaker 3 (30:40):
That's why I was about to say I really don't have
liberty to speak on that.
When you say take care of, whatdo you mean by that?
That's why I was about to say Ireally don't have liberty to
speak on that, because I don'thave details on what he does
with his kids.
But I would put it like thisOut of all the celebrities that
do things with their kids, if heain't doing it like Boosie, I
don't think.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
I was going to say, yeah, boosie's solid.
You feel like he's the what'sthe word I'm looking for.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Like the criminal crowd, he's the standard.
The standard for these rappersthey need to look to as far as
fatherhood.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
It's somebody else that I'm not thinking about,
though, bro.
TI, I mean TI got a solid familystructure, though, no Because
you finna, for now, yeah, butlike because I got bro.
I know, I know, as a father,it's like when your kids get to
a certain level, you can't dobut, hey, man, cut little dude

(31:27):
off or something.
You hear me like, like, likeyou, you are, you two out of
control.
You know what I'm saying like.
But I, I do understand alsothat there's a wife involved and
it's just, you just can't justcut nobody off without talking
to the wife, because the wifemight go behind your back and do
something that involved, andit's just, you just can't just
cut nobody off without talkingto the wife, cause the wife
might go behind your back and dosomething that you and that's
going to mess everything up.
So I, I agree that I'm, I'm atip, I'm minding my business,

(31:50):
all right.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
But Master P.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Hell, no, hell, no.
It's too many allegations inthat.
It's too many allegations withnah, it's too many allegations
in that.
It's too many allegations withyeah, with what's going, with
how they be interacting witheach other and all of that with
his daughter and all of that.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
I know y'all consider dude a rapper, but nick cannon,
they say dude is always at hiskids events flying across the
country to do different peoplegot one like a couple of names
bro no, I ain't even.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
I ain't even gonna, I ain't even gonna fought him for
that what I am gonna follow me.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
I'm to fault him for that.
What I am going to fault him isI'm going to fault him for this
, right.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
He's purposely doing what he's doing, yeah, yeah, it
ain't like he like getting afamily and putting them in a
big-ass house and having kidswith one woman and then she
can't have kids and then y'allgot an agreement to go get more
kids.
That's different.
You feel me?
You just going to have kids allaround the world like I.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
He ain't no wrong with it, but he also reflected
on it, though, too, and saidthat he kind of I ain't say wish
, but he would have went aboutit differently.
You know what I'm saying, soyeah I'm not.
Yeah, I mean you say that's heget a pass for not knowing their
?

Speaker 1 (32:57):
name, bro, I ain't gonna say he get a pass for not
knowing their name.
I, bro, I ain't going to say heget a pass for not knowing
their name.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
I'm saying, if in the moment it slips his mind, nah,
they gave him an opportunity.
Oh see that, I ain't see that.
And set a list your kids' names.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
See, yeah, no, I ain't see that, because I will
say, like mama's sister's, bro,so many people call me nephews
and cousins' names and cousins,names and people.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
I'll give you birthdays.
If you don't remember your kidsbirthdays, you got all those
like their name, bro, that goes.
That goes directly into what Iwas saying.
You are not emotionally tied tothese kids yeah, you know what
I'm saying, like you just goingand having kids, like I don't
agree with that.
No, he not in my top five offives.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Okay, and I rocks with that right.
So do you actually have a topfive?
Because?

Speaker 2 (33:45):
I'll tell you this I don't know how many rappers
actually got kids or like theirrelationship with their kids.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah, but I was all right.
So I want to bring this backaround because I found some
information right.
So, specifically talking aboutFuture, well, going back to Thug
, right, he got six kids.
Okay, three boys, three girls.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Just so we can get that out there.
Yeah, that's manageable.
Right, that's manageable.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
But some specific things he said about Future that
we could talk about.
So, on Future's parenting, likeyou was talking about, he said
Pluto, it's like you pushing theP bitches want to have your kid
and shit too, but you still gotto be 100 locked in with the
kids, you 100 locked in with thebitches, and that's the wrong

(34:26):
way to go.
Right, yeah, whichunderstandable.
I think we all agree with thatstatement.
Right, and I don't know whatfuture out here doing.
We know what his perspective inmusic is and shit.
But then he also said based ontheir relationship.
He said you biting and youain't real a buster all the way
around.
He called me to the studioasking how to start his song,
but when the girls in the roomhe act like he don't hear me.

(34:49):
Everything you know I donetaught you.
That was thug on future allright.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Now let me ask this following that do y'all think
the people that he talked aboutshould All right?
So do you think the Should feelany type of way that they upset
at him for saying any of that?

Speaker 1 (35:09):
No, but I also think that, like he said, he said that
everybody that is leaked outabout, as far as his homies
anyway, he's already hadconversations with them, so he,
they know where, he know wherethey stand, they know where he
stand on all of these things.
So everybody that's coming outain't no way.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
You talked to me and told me and called me a buster
in my face and we was still likeI ain't saying that bro.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
I think it's environment, bro, cause, just
like when we first came downhere, we was interacting with
cast in houston.
We realized they call eachother bitches a lot and we was
like nigga, never in a millionmotherfucking years, yeah, we
don't move like that, but theseniggas might move like that.
You know what I'm saying, sothat might be their lingo.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, but I, to be honest,
I doubt it.
I think.
I think that he might have beenlike, I think he might have
gave him that advice, but Notthat advice With his lady, he
put a little extra on it.
I was just gonna say that.
I was just gonna say that,cause I don't, that's what I
don't like, bro.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Is you sitting there and you can say you had a
conversation with me.
But then you back though andyou said See, that's lame when
you go when you?
Right pillow talking, but whenyou have a me and then say you
talking to aunt, and then yousay man, I told this dude like
this bro, and it'd be a little,it'd be more fluff on it, that
ain't how it went, bro, and if Ihear that's what you said, we

(36:26):
have an issue.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
It's smoke.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
We have an issue hey, but this shit is so funny.
It reminds me this random ashell, it reminds me of this key
and peel episode, and they wastalking about how they talk
about their wives when they getaround their friends.
They was like and this bitchand they had to like whisper
that shit and this bitch andthen the wives would pop up like

(36:48):
what you say huh huh what likeniggas had to switch.
Cause that's what it be, bro, itbe the pressure.
Cause he was like he told hiswife this, but with the homies
he was like man, I told thatbitch like, you know what I'm
saying nigga you ain't say thathoney?
Do you think it's okay if?

Speaker 2 (37:04):
but nah, like with with him and um, future pluto,
like if he, like we said, if hehad that conversation with him
already.
You know, I'm saying why eventalk about it again too?
Because why even reiterate itif you already had a
conversation with him about it?
And then you probably had thisconversation when Before I got
locked up, yeah, so why didn'tyour girl hear about this

(37:27):
conversation before you went?
In Because you gonna wait tillyou go inside to have a
conversation.
Go ahead, monte, because 23 and1.
You ain't got nothing to speakon 23 and 1.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
You in a cell, thinking, yeah, thinking for
hours, bro, even if you readinga book, bro, you thinking, you
can't even concentrate I'm nottrying to give him no excuses,
bro, I really ain't, but neitherone of y'all have been in jail,
so what I'm saying, and I wantto know what it is I want to
touch on that because he saidthat in the interview, right.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
So he said that in the interview.
He was like 23 and 1.
He was like I just got bodyslammed by a motherfucking judge
, yeah.
Now I got to go back to my cell, yeah, and not talk to no
motherfucking body, right.
And so Mack asked him.
He was like how you think likeyou would have felt on the
outside hearing about the shitthat people are saying about you

(38:19):
?
Like what would you?
What would you have thought,right?
And thug was like if I wassomebody who didn't go through,
like you said, if I havesomebody who didn't go through
the type of shit that I've beenthrough, I would expect y'all to
be like what the fuck thisnigga tripping?
He was like.
But if you've been through someshit, like some shit that I've
been through, you probably aremore curious.
Like I wonder what he thinking.
I wonder what he?
going.

(38:39):
You a little bit lessjudgmental about the situation
because of people who haveeither been to jail or been in a
courtroom being fucked over bya judge.
X, y and z.
So he was like those people arelooking at the situation
differently.
They a little bit moresupportive, while people who
haven't been through the samethings are like, oh, this nigga
trippy, he wilding out and theya little bit more.

(38:59):
You know, own him about thesituation.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
But at the same time I don't think that, like his
personal friends, I don't thinkthat they really concerned about
what they said about him.
It was what he said to thepolice when he was in the
interrogation room, when he saidI'll give you anything like
anything.
You need anything you need toknow.
You know I'm saying just like II get to you.

(39:24):
Just don't tell the people it'slike that right there like no,
ain't, no, ain't, no way.
I don't care if you was talkingto them trying to spin them,
like woody said, and you get upout of there and never answer
the phone again.
It doesn't matter, you don'ttell nobody.
You don't tell them that yousay lawyer, that's it, you know

(39:45):
I'm saying like.
So, excuse me if somebody fromthe street you just don't do
that.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
But I think that's the thing too, because, as we
know, it's a lot of cats whoclaim to be from the street.
That ain't necessarily from thestreet, but they affiliated
right, so they may get a pass,like a lot of artists.
Right, the artists weren'tspecifically in those situations
, but they may have been cousinswith, or like homies with, that
person that was doing thethings that they rapping about.
So they it's like a differentangle Can you hold them to the

(40:13):
same standards if they didn'ttechnically come from that
situation?
I think and that's the theproblem, because a lot of people
feel like gunna isn'tnecessarily a street cat, so he
didn't have the knowledge, theto know what he was supposed to
do in the situation.
No, you don't give him no passon that.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
He's a he's a kitchen crip bro.
No, no, when you in the gang,bro, like you can't put that
jacket on at all that's allegedyes, ma'am was breaking code.
Bro, you know I'm saying likeno, you can't be.
You can't be the gang, no more.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Cover them, tattoos up but here's the thing, what
you said you don't have to be inno type of organization to know
the rules.
You were, you grown up aroundthe environment, yeah, you are
part of the culture, right, soyou know the rules of engagement
, yeah, so and but all right.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
So my thing with gunna, right, I feel like he
don't think that he snitched orratted, because all he did was
say yes, ma'am, it ain't like heimplicated, implicated somebody
and pointed at them in courtand stood on the stand and said
something.
It's like hey, man, all I didwas agree to some stuff.

(41:24):
You know I'm saying like Ididn't actually say it.
They said it and I agreed to it, but in a sense that's still
snitching.
You know I'm saying like Ican't even say it's snitching,
though you feel me like I don'teven know what it's called like.
Remember we had thatconversation about snitching and
telling.
I don't even say it's snitching, though you feel me Like I
don't even know what it's calledLike.
Remember we had thatconversation about snitching and
telling.
I don't necessarily think thatwas snitching, bro.

(41:45):
I feel like it's in this realmof snitching, but he didn't
actually go snitch.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
I think that's when people say we're moving the
goalposts on what it is.
Because when you hear that andyou say you were at the crib and
you're on the block and youheard about your homie doing the
same thing, it's a black eye onhis reputation for you, right?

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
So that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Yeah, because I mean, if you think about it, if you
put it in another situation andyou like, if he was sitting
there and he was in theinterrogation room and they were
like why sell a gang?

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Exactly, damn right.
You know what I'm saying it'sthe same thing.
It's the same thing.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
To be honest, you know what I'm saying.
When you, when you, when youlook at it, he was saying yes,
yeah, he did it.
That's right, you know what Iknow.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
I'm saying like just yes, ma'am, he did it in a nice
way, but this is I want to goback to, I guess real quick to
say what thug was talking aboutfuture and and me asking I want
to know if he, like I said, hadthese conversations with Future
before he got locked up like hesaid he did.
Did he have it before?

(43:05):
Because, like I said, if he hadthe conversation before and he
talked to his girl about itbefore, why are you, even though
you on the inside and you got23-1, why are you bringing it
back up and say you basicallysaying, hey, remember that one
time I told you about man,that's doing too much bro.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
I don't disagree with you, but to bring the track
around, what I think might havehappened the amount of stress
bro was under you.
Do rehash it because he'salready dealing with mistrust
from everybody else in YSL.
He's probably revisited othermistrust.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
He was mad at him because he didn't do a free show
for him.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Look All right, so look, I don't know Depends on
how he been supporting him thiswhole time.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
I don't think it's none of that.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
What you think.
It is 23 and 1.
So, okay, so you feel like it'sthe stress.
It ain't even the stress.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
That's and one that's so okay.
So you feel like it's thestress.
It's like it ain't even thestress.
That's what he said it wasabout.
Though listen, when I waslocked up, when I called my mom
or anybody, I'm gonna talk aboutwhatever.
Like old stuff, like what'sgoing on now.
Really don't want to knowwhat's going on out there, but
like you know I'm saying, butwhere he was coming from, it was
like, oh fuck, everybody whodid me wrong type of thing, and
he was just venting.
You know what I'm saying likeand he ain't had nobody.

(44:30):
Like he said, he had nobody totalk to.
All he was talking to was his,his, his female, so that's the
only person you talking to youand you can't even talk to your
celly, bro.
Your celly, if you got a coollittle celly you sitting in
there and you like and see whatI'm saying, like that that.
That right there.
That's solitary, but it's a.

(44:50):
I like I said, I'm not tryingto give him no excuses, but
being locked up ain't the onlytime he left the cell was in to
go to the courtroom and seeniggas point him out and snitch
on him and then go back to thecell.
He in his head, you know.
But I still don't think that itwarranted him talking about

(45:12):
baby pee savage.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
But you know I'm saying it didn't work.
That's the problem with us nothaving like all the details
right, because you don't knowhow a motherfucker move, because
you may feel a way for example,you may feel a way about one of
your homeboys from back home orone of your cousins or some
shit, but we don't know howdeeply you feel about them.
So some shit go down with y'all.
Legally we can't necessarilyprovide insight into that,

(45:38):
because it might just be someshit he did when y'all was alone
or some shit he did like in thestudio or on a phone call
Because they because from fromthe research I found he ain't
really say nothing, he justcalled that nigga P a rat.
He just said he a rat, heworked with law enforcement,
shit like that.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
He didn't say nothing necessarily about Baby, but he
was putting his business outthere, but with Baby.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
He was questioning him because he was like, why
would he sign with him, whywould he go sign with P?

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Because he feel like he a rat, yeah, yeah yeah, like
talking about from qualitycontrol.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Yeah, quality control .
Make sure I mention thesethings appropriately, but that
was.
And to go back to your point, Ifeel like he was spazzing,
because if you look at thedirection he was aiming, it was
everywhere.
It was like a shotgun blast.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
It was like I'm trying to cut as many people as
I fucking can.
So with that, I want to ask outof all the calls that you heard
about or you listened to, yeah,which call or recording do you
think so far has been the mostdetrimental to the?
The uh interrogation call?

Speaker 3 (46:36):
I don't think people like the no, no, no, of course,
that I'm talking about with thepeople who he spoke on of course
, the interrogation call.
I don't think people like theinternet.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
No, no, no, no, of course that I'm talking about
with the people who he spoke on.
Of course that's going to be akiller.
That was the first off.
That was the first thing theytried.
They dropping them likemixtapes, right.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
But which?

Speaker 2 (46:54):
set of recordings with the people that he talked
about so far do you think hasbeen the most detrimental to him
?

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Him I don't think it's always gonna be the gun of
shit, just because people gonnahold up a mirror to him.
That's my opinion, I think,because people gonna be like
well, you said this, or justlike rollo rollo had came back
and was like paperwork maybe ifyou want paperwork, you know
paperwork is what is valid inthe streets, nigga, so you own
paperwork saying too.
So I feel like that would havebeen the shit that reflected on

(47:23):
him the worst.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
What you got Monte.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
I think all of the artists like not his close
friends' artists, but all of theartists that he ain't really
tied with.
It just looked like he washating and now you ain't gonna

(47:51):
get those features like from nowyou know you're not gonna get
no feature from est money baggoddy, you ain't getting none of
that.
No, no, kendrick.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
And when you ain't getting no kendrick feature,
that puts you out of a lot ofshit yeah, you know it puts you
out of high quality, putting youout almost almost a side of the
map yeah, you like low-keyabout to get blackballed on some
shit yeah you're only gonna begood, domestic like
international.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
That's gonna silence a lot of shit because you got to
be marketable.
But did y'all did?

Speaker 3 (48:15):
y'all people saying, um, you're always gonna be
straight overseas, you justgotta put that dress on.
It's his sound, but like them.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
I don't disagree because there's like Even his
old songs like Stoner and shitthem, shit's probably gonna
always Nah it's his sound man.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
The people overseas like that auto-tune and they
like that type of stuff, but hisstage presence ain't the same,
so it's.
Yeah, I don't know man.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Look, I would say this too, though if, if, he had
these conversations with thesepeople already, and stuff like
that, why, why did he have tocome out and make an apology for
glow, really?

Speaker 3 (48:55):
I feel like it's public now what you say the day
you said somebody gave him the.
We can't talk about black womentalk.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
But that and I think that's my thing, bro we got to
understand, like you said, sothe 23 and 1.
So he said some slick shit andthen purged it right, Like when
niggas be saying shit, bro, theymove on.
Because he's assuming that themcalls not finna pop out, Like
he assuming he was just talkingto his girl.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
That's what I'm saying now.
It's like he said he alreadyhad these conversations with
these people, that about thesecalls, I think I apologize if
you already have.
He didn't have no conversation.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
I would go really, I think, with just the homies.
Put it up, it was just thehomies.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
He probably had a conversation with savage baby,
and you know what I'm saying,like future and shit like that.
Like them, his close partnersyou know well we say it's close,
well, we really know it fromthe internet is him and baby is
close.
I don't know about oh yeah, Ithink.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Matter of fact, let me ask my own question.
I think the one with kendrickis probably the worst because,
because, with him saying, oh, hedon't, he don't put nobody on
man.
That's when they everybody putall these lists out.
Yeah well, you know what I'msaying, who kendrick worked with
and did this for, and stufflike that.

(50:11):
I think they were saying thatthug has his best song,
something like that is a featurewith kendrick, no, no, no, I'm
sorry, I think it was travisscott, but a lot of his songs
yeah, because he had a few songswith kendrick.
No, no, I'm sorry, I think itwas travis scott, but a lot of
his songs yeah, because he had afew songs with kendrick already
, correct?

Speaker 3 (50:24):
I don't know, I think so y'all need to fact check me
on that.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Y'all get back back to us in the comments, whatever
y'all want to do but, hey, yougot us something that's for us
bro yeah, man, let's, let'spivot, because I know we've been
talking about thug a lot andit's a hot topic.
It's a hot topic so we maytouch back on depending on how
this whole situation unfolds.
But I got some more randomquestions for y'all, so we're
going.
We're going.
We got a new segment, right?

(50:46):
So that first thing we had wascalled hot takes.
Now we got something calledthis or that.
So I'm going to ask a few, justsome random questions to see
which our position is on thatthing, right?

Speaker 2 (50:59):
now.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Some rules before we get started.
You are not allowed to straddlethe fence.
You have to pick one thing orthe other.
Right?
Because I feel like you knowthat's what happened, cat.
You get a difficult question,you'd be like nigga, neither,
neither teeter top, like nah bro, nah, we gotta, we gotta choose
, all right.
So this one gonna be simple but, depending on how y'all answer,

(51:22):
a little bit controversial,right?
You have never met this person,but y'all didn't connect it on
instagram, a dating app,whatever the case is right, and
you about to go on your firstdate.
So then and I'm talkingspecifically about a man and a
woman, okay, who is supposed topay for the date?

(51:44):
Because sometimes, because in aman-man or woman-woman
situation, I don't know who'ssupposed to pay.
I don't know the chivalry rulesin that specific situation.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Because you had to really classify.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Because I want to make sure, because if I say
something, wow, if I saysomething, no, no, no, no shout
out to all my lgbtqia pluscommunity folks.
But at the same time, I'm gonnaspecifically talk about this
situation because I want to know, like for real, like what y'all
think, like who's supposed topay for the, who's supposed to
pay for the date, and does itchange based on either where you

(52:17):
go or what you eating?

Speaker 3 (52:21):
it's, I don't know for me dog.
So look for me.
Me and my wife literally justtalked about this the other day
because I said that I don't wantmy daughter like how she's
behaving now.
It makes it seem like it's my,my way of the highway, right, I
don't want my daughter to go ona date.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
The older one or the younger one?

Speaker 3 (52:40):
the older one okay so I don't want my daughter to go
out on a date and not pull outher wallet and be willing to pay
for her own meal.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Yeah, to be able to.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
And the man says, no, I got it.
Yeah, you feel me Like that tome is Hold on.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
I want to expound on what you just said.
Okay, so you're saying you'regoing to tell her to only pay
for her portion To be able to?
Yeah, I just want to make surethat that's the rule, right?

Speaker 3 (53:08):
So you want her to only pay?
That's what I'm saying.
Only pay for her meal.
Only pay for you.
So when you, when you go in, onthe first day when the check
come and they like how do youwant to do this Right?
The man has to be like I got it.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
If he don't, if he's, if he.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
If he hesitates?
If he hesitates, the woman sayssplit the check, please, okay.
Okay.
I was curious because somepeople feel like women should be
just as willing to pay for themeal as men.
This is our first date.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
What does that mean?
This is our first date.
We may, we may keep quiet,since I'm still single.
We may have talked, we may haveinteracted with each other, but
we don't know each other.
This is our first day wegetting to know each other.
Like I, like, all right, so putit like this I I throw some
something in there.

(54:02):
The man is is, if he don'toffer to pay, that's gonna turn
the woman off anyway.
But sometimes a man white mightwant to see like, like, how you
you know what I'm saying, likebecause a man don't necessarily

(54:24):
like a woman to depend on him onthe first date, like, if I
offer, hey, I'm gonna take usout to dinner, I'm gonna take us
to the movies, I'm gonna dothis.
That's different.
Hey, do you want to go to themovies?
Do you want to go to to blah,blah, blah, blah, blah, I said,
do you want to go?
I ain't say I'm gonna take youhere.

(54:45):
It's different.
So, and women nowadays theylike, oh well, he gotta pay for
everything.
And then I said I'm going toget my nails done.
So and he ain't offering to getmy nails done.
When I said I was going to getmy nails done, and he.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
No, you crazy you crazy.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
You say you're going to get your nails done.
I'll say, hey, call me whenyou're done.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Like what you mean, I don't but see, and a lot of
women in today's world would,would consider that a turnoff
right.
So that mindset doesn'tnecessarily qualify in today's
day and age.
I'm not saying I agree becauseI.
This is how I feel yeah, what'sthose things?
if a man is single and he isbeing intentional about dating,

(55:27):
I think that he shouldautomatically cover the first
date because it sets the tonefor leadership for the rest of
that relationship.
I think sometimes as men, weget away from the fact that we
have to build the house Right.
We expect women to kind of comewith the understanding of this
is how I'm going to run my house.

(55:47):
You got to kind of lay it outfor her like this is how shit
going to go, in my opinion, whenyou are first, when you first
take a woman out and yourintention is to either date her
or to be like see whatconsidered like long term, you
know, I mean commit to her.
You should set the tone now,depending on how, what you

(56:07):
believe in.
Some men believe 50, 50.
Some men believe I'm gonnacover it, 100.
Some men believe, fuck, that,I'm gonna let her take it,
especially if she got a good jobright.
Whatever your logic is, I justfeel like you should leave with
it initially.
But my standpoint is covereverything absolutely Absolutely
not.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Why?
Because I'm not, I'm notgetting ready to set the tone
that I'm getting ready to payfor everything.
Not happening, ok.
Not happening, ok.
I can lead in other ways, youknow.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
I don't disagree with it.
I don't have to leave with mypocket.
Ok, you know, I think that thatI think it's more of a
consolidated package because forme that's like a primary step
Because, like you said, thereare other expectations.
Did you come with flowers?
Did you open the door?
Did you pull her chair out?
Like how else are you treatingher on the date to display a
certain level of leadership?
So I do think it's more thanjust you covering the check, but

(57:01):
also, like that's just part ofprovision in my, in my eyes,
like that's part of hey, I gotthis because I've always been,
regardless of what therelationship makeup is, I'm
usually the one that cover themeals.
You may pay for movie ticket orcell phone bill or something
crazy like that, right, but asfar as, like, there's certain

(57:23):
things that's always gonna like,me covering the meals is always
gonna be a thing.
Me taking the trash out isalways gonna be a thing, like I
don't want my wife to changetouch the trash bag in
motherfucking years you know,yeah new father.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Yeah, to a young, beautiful baby girl.
Yeah, you are instructing herto do what.
I'm instructing her to do what.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
I'm instructing her to always be prepared, but this
is the type of man you should belooking for.
You should be looking for thetype of man that you don't have
to convince to provide for you.
He automatically has a desireto provide for you, and then, of
course, she's going to teachher how to vet in other ways.
Right, make sure he's notmanipulating you.

(58:05):
Make sure he's not likedangling a carrot in front of
your face, like because it's notabout providing things so you
can get something in return.
It's is that a natural traitthat he has, or or is that
something that he performs anddoes when he wants something?
So I, like I'm gonna teach herdiscernment overall, to answer
your question okay, Okay man me,cause I'm in this dating pool

(58:29):
right now I'm like yeah, you thefreshest on it.
I'm talking about from years ago.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Yeah, Um, I have.
And this for me personally, I'mnot talking about, I guess, how
I'm going to raise my children.
Yet I'm speaking on for me as asingle male right now man, not
male so I have an expectation tobe able to take care of the

(58:54):
first date in my mind now.
Y'all also know I've been tosituations where got flown out
and stuff like that and peopledidn't pay for my dates and
stuff it is very uncomfortable,you know.
I'm saying because I naturallywant to do that now, when a

(59:15):
woman that I've taken out I havewomen that I, you know handle
the first date and they like,okay, well, I'll at least tip
and I'll allow that.
Yes, that's, that's, that'swhat's up.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
That's what I'm saying and that and me seeing
that is going to make me want todo more.
And then, or even like this,I've had women you know I think,
for like dating wise for me.

(59:49):
I don't date, also, if I'm notable to take care of things To
coverage yourself.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
You know what I'm saying, yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
So I wouldn't even try to put myself in that
position.
You're a different type ofbrother.
That's why I ain't dating rightnow.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
I think I understand that sentiment, though, because
I've always been one similar tolike how you raise your daughter
, how you saying you raise yourdaughters right, always be
capable of it, even if you don'thave to, and I think I've
always kind of operated withthat same mindset is like if I'm
not capable of taking care ofthe situation, I'm a fallback,
like just off GP, I also used tolike.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
I specifically will talk about my wife because I
think past relationships girlsdepended on me to do that and I
at that point I got tired offemales that were dependent on
me to do things and I wantedsomebody that wanted me and not

(01:00:49):
needed me.
Like that's where I was at, sothat's where my logic comes from
.
If I don't see you reaching foryour purse, you want something.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
I'm saying Like, like Bruce said he was on some, hey,
I got, I got the data, I gotthe meal or whatever.
And she was like, oh, hey, letme get the tip.
Like I've been like, oh hell,yeah, I found a winner, you know
what I'm saying but somebodythat's like sitting there
popping their lips and twirlingtheir gum.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
You don't even look your wallet.
Let me ask you this thoughBecause I know you probably got
some more questions.
You know what I'm saying too,but, like throughout the date,
are you looking at things todetermine if you know what I'm
saying, I'm going to want to payfor this or if I'm going to

(01:01:38):
probably ask around on thesecond date, that's what I'm at,
because I'm going to pay for itregardless.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
All right, so Go.
That's what I'm at, because I'mgonna pay for it regardless,
because I'm all right, so let me.
Let me.
I don't want to, because thenyou got some people that be like
man.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
She do order man man appetizer entree dessert and
they even like hollering meabout it yeah, like, but I don't
like that either.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
I like more of a modest woman.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Yeah, nah when you offer to pay.
You signed that check.
You signed that contract to payfor whatever she wanted.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
It doesn't matter now which I'm willing to pay for it
, but I am paying attention tohow she goes about it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Don't be a glutton dog.
No, hey, if we was going to themovies or something after you
going home.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
You going.
You know what my stomach hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
I think I got food no , I'm gonna take you right to
the.
I'm gonna be honest you went alittle overboard in there and,
uh, the date's over, the date'sover bro, she probably gonna
respect that, but I feel likethat's how you get stalkers too
like she gonna appreciate therealness so much because I feel

(01:02:45):
like I so, along with myself, ina lot of situation.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
We're not really super honest with women, right,
because we're gonna be wantingto hurt their feelings a lot of
time.
There's a specific situation.
So I had, I had, a date with ayoung lady.
She came all the way fromanother city to here, right, I
ended up getting a hotel.
We had dates and stuff playing.
It was cool.
Now, when she got here, shewasn't necessarily the same
quality as her pictures andstuff right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
So I was like how so brother?

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
it.
Just, you know, the glam wasn'tnecessarily the glam.
You know, you know, uh y'alldone seen catfish before uh,
yeah nah, it wasn't that bad,right, but I will say it wasn't
to the standard that I wasexpecting.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
So basically she was like 15 years younger picture
than what.
It wasn't that age thing, itjust was a presentation thing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
You know what I'm saying, because I feel like
women use so many filtersnaturally that you don't trip
off of the effect of it,sometimes Forget about that, and
then naturally that you don'ttrip off of like the effect of
it sometimes, and then you goback and you really pay
attention, like skin careregimen trash you know what I
mean and so you see him inperson.
It's a little differentpresentation.
I don't want to stay on thistoo long.
I'm saying that to say likeusually it's more of an easy
letdown.
We I treated it real nice,right treated real nice said the

(01:04:00):
back home that we didn't talkno more right like that's.
That's just kind of what that.
I ain't gonna waste your time.
You do your thing, so it's moreof an easy letdown.
I ain't never really been thetype of like you's an ugly b****
now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
I'ma take you home.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Like I ain't necessarily that type of cat,
bro what it is but look how youthink I felt, how you think I
felt when that one woman I wastalking to y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
I heard me talking about it when I pulled up and
she had that word written on hercar like somebody keyed yeah,
yeah yeah, yeah, I should haveran in because I knew, I knew
then.
But let me talk about that, bro,real quick, because I knew at
that point when I pulled up topick her up, I probably won't go
, like you know I'm saying, butbecause I am, I already set it

(01:05:00):
up, I already set for us to goeat, I already set for us to go,
you know I'm saying, to thisspot.
So I'm looking at like allright, I'm hungry, anyway, I
want to do this activity.
I'm gonna go ahead and do itbecause I already set it up to
be like that and then after that, yeah, you're not probably
gonna hear from me after this.
You know I'm saying, and I'm I'mabout to tell you why, but I'm

(01:05:21):
gonna still go through thisbecause I don't want to have
this image.
You would have this image inyour head, or this memory of me
just pulling up and ghosting, orleaving.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
I'm gonna say this because we had an episode about,
uh, paying attention to redflags.
Yeah, exactly, you saw that redflag and you went forward.
You should have went byyourself.
You wanted to do thoseactivities.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
I would have just went by myself, yeah because if
I would, have saw that on theside of the car I'm like this is
but that's why I'm saying, likeyou say, I went forward, yeah,
physically, I went forwardphysically I mean you wanted
that, you wanted to you becauseI had.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
I had the opportunity to do.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
You know I'm saying most guys want to do at the end
of the day Mm-hmm but and Istill would like no, because I
don't want that problem, becauseI see the potential issues that
might come with this.
Yeah, so I was already checkedout when I pulled up, when I saw
that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Yeah, mentally I mean , it ain't like you, and
physically it ain't like you, itain't like you.
You crossed the red.
The red you went, you, youcrossed on the line.
You.
Yeah, I was torn, yeah, you was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
You was like right in front of it getting ready to
step over, and I and I get itright, because there have been a
lot of situations where I kindof look past certain things,
also understanding that a lot ofpeople have toxic behaviors.
Right, in our culture, there'sa lot of things that people do
because it's popular or becauseyou know what I'm saying,
whatever.
So I get that from thatstandpoint.

(01:06:54):
Now, talking about culture, Igot this last question.
That's probably going to go waytoo long, but it's the last
question and then we're going toget into our final segment,
right?
But Raven-Symoné has recentlygone viral for a particular
stance and I'm curious on wherey'all see this.
At right, it's real easy, ain'tnothing y'all need to see ahead
of time.
But she stated that she is notan African-American, right, she

(01:07:19):
is an American.
She is a black American, okay,but she identifies as American.
She feels like she American, ok, but she identifies as American
.
She feels like she asked thequestion how long does a family
have to be in America?
I don't want a bloodline,specifically a bloodline, have
to be in America before they'reAmerican, because our are what
they call our forefathers, right, the all these white presidents

(01:07:41):
.
They're technically IrishAmerican, you know what I'm
saying Like Russian American,english american, english
american.
Whatever the case is theytechnically came from somewhere
else and their bloodlines havebeen here long enough.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
You keep to where they're considered america.
You keep saying the key wordfor me blood yeah, bloodline,
it's in your blood.
It's never gonna.
It's never gonna wash away, is.
I think the only way it may bedilute is if you know how they
say when a caucasian person anda black person get together get
together and have a child andthen, okay, the child is black
because of the dominant genesblack, so that's a way to dilute

(01:08:15):
it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
I guess you could say yeah, but at the end of the day
they still.
I was getting ready to say inthis day, it's still.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
It's still in your bloodline so you feel like as
long as your people originallycame from that area, because the
reason why I argued it right istechnically not all of us came
from africa some black peopleexisted in other areas of the
planet, exactly not just africa.
So it's like all black peopleare african-american.
Are we saying that because?

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
that's gonna go back into your belief, though,
because a lot of people sayeverybody came from africa, the
motherland.
That's where it started.
You know I'm saying so.
It's gonna go into that if wejust trying to.
You know I'm saying for thisparticular moment answer the
question straight out, the ripfor me she tripping like she
tripping.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
I don't necessarily agree, but but I feel like she
got a solid stance.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
No, I'm saying she tripping like initially.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
But when I sit there and like, really think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
It goes down to what we kind of said, though if she
did the research on herbloodline heritage and she, it
came back, yeah, to where itwasn't african, and she has a
right to say you know what I'msaying, what she said, and then
she should fight for beingcalled something else.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Yeah, because I'm so tired of people identifying this
shit.
You see, I'm saying like I getthat honestly I do feel that
she's doing her ancestors agreat disservice, because if she
does find out that her peoplecame from africa, then what?

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
I don't think it's, I don't think that was her stance
, and I'll tell you why I agree.
I agree to a degree with whatshe's saying.
She's saying people who comedirectly from Nigeria or Ghana
or Senegal whatever Right,people who come over here, there
and like their kids, aretechnically African-American
Right Because they're tieddirectly to a culture or a

(01:10:06):
country that exists in Africathey have, they can literally
tie it back to traditions, food,da da, da, da da Right.
Basically, for us, we don't.
We have, no, you have noculture in Africa.
You can't go connect yourfamily to any city or country
over there, outside of maybesome shit to any city or country

(01:10:27):
over there, outside of maybesome shit.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Ancestry told you right, she's right.
She pretty much saying like mygreat-grandmother, my
grandmother, my mama, they wereall born in america so exactly
so I'm american, which istechnically factual if you look
at how america was built.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Because if all these white folks, these europeans
right, because technically theyare from europe, they migrated
here right, they considerthemselves Americans.
So, by definition, me and myfamily are considered American.
And to go back to your point,unique, it was funny that you
said something about herchecking her family bloodline.
Because she said somethingabout she did some research and

(01:11:00):
her family was one of the firstto like convert into, like slave
masters names or some crazyshit.
So like she can literally saylike no, we're legitimately one
of the oldest families that havebeen in america.
So for her she like why would Igo back?

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
and try to tie to some shit from no because okay,
so that makes it even more of adisservice.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
What you mean.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Because you went and found that they were people were
slaves.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Yeah, that came from Africa.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
No, ok.
So I think it's hard toidentify something you have no
connection to.
To identify something you haveno connection to, it's like
people who we know, we havegrown up at least around or in
the city of.
Like a young black kid who waslike adopted by a white family,
had all white friends, went toall white schools.
He has no connection to ourculture.

(01:11:57):
So there's no reason why hefeels like compassion for hip
hop or anything outside of thatbecause he has no connection to
it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
All right, I'm gonna say this then, because when we
were working where we wereworking, yeah, yeah and I did my
ancestry test and we saw that Ithink it was ghana or something
like that that my ancestorswere from, or something like
that, but the picture was strongblack men on there.
That's my vision of myancestors.

(01:12:28):
So I'm in in my mind.
I got some strong forefathersthat went through some shit yeah
you know what I'm saying.
And they still and, and and I'mhere because they they were able
to survive.
So that's how I look at it.
You're trying to say you'reborn in soft as America, where
all this soft shit happened.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Like.
Her perspective is a littledifferent.
She feels like her, theancestors she's more connected
to built this country.
The ancestors she's connectedto have have stronger roots in
American culture because it wasbuilt on the back of black folks
.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
So she feels like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
Africa.
I agree with that she's.
I don't think she's saying shedoesn't respect the culture.
She just doesn't necessarilyidentify as African American
because she doesn't have anyAfrican parts of her culture,
Like there's nothing she does orhas about herself that is
African outside of her lineage.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
I think, I think they you know what I'm saying she
cause.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
She identifies as black, just not african-american
technically, and there is alarge diaspora of people who
believe that god, I'm just, I'mjust being an ass, because I
just you good that show stands.
I ain't saying everybody gottaagree with the boys you finna
say you need.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
I think god forbid if something happens and they
segregate us and round us all upand put us in camps and stuff.
They're not going to separatethe Africans to the
African-American.
You're right, they're going toput all the black people in the
same camp.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
No matter if you're mixed you're going.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
I think that there's going to be a huge divide.
I think that that's the problem.
And then we're going to fightamongst ourselves.
Yeah, I think that that there'sgoing to be a huge divide.
I think that that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
And then we're going to fight amongst ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
Yeah, I think that's what's going to happen.
I think yeah we're going toseparate ourselves, and I think
that that's going to be theproblem, because when they start
wrapping people up, it's goingto be niggas, that's going to be
like hey, yo, uh-uh.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
Hey, get them over there, bro, like that ain't us,
you know what I'm saying like we.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
That ain't.
That ain't who we is and theperson who's going to try to
stand up and be like no, weshould stand together.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
He's gonna die first, get mugged.
But and there's also, if youthink about it, there's also
always been a different like aseparation.
They it a lot of africans havecome over here and don't really
fuck with, yeah, black americansbut I will say I've dug into
that a little bit and it'sbecause of how privileged we are
yeah, you know what I'm sayingit's because of like, like, even
shit, like water, like I don'tknow if y'all know this, but a

(01:14:53):
lot of them have like use bagwater, like they have to go get
bags of water and they have acertain amount of water they can
use in the day yeah, so eventhe fact that we can loot, yeah,
like in their country, I meanbecause of the filtration
systems, right.
So that's why I like people likeAkon are getting big because of
the systems that they put inplace, but because they don't
come from that, right, they comeover here and they realize we
do have a lot of first worldprivileges, that there's a

(01:15:16):
attitude about us that kind ofmake it makes us look like stuck
up.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
OK, so now I want to say this what are you here?
You understand that it's likehere and you getting the same
privileges as I.
So why do you act that way?
Like they act like they betterthan us because they went
through something.
They don't know what we had togo through years ago.
You know what I'm saying, like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
I think.
I think that's the problem.
Right, it's a lot of divide.
When everybody went through itlike you know what I'm saying,
we all went through colorism.
Yeah, like you know what I'msaying, we all went through
colorism we all had.
Either you was either made funof for being too dark or too
light, or you know what I'msaying your hair was either too
nappy or too straight, oreverybody has kind of gone
through those same fights.
I think the problem is we don'tconnect to it.

(01:15:59):
Right, we don't really connectto it, but all right, so real
quick, we're going to pivot tothis last one.
Do y'all agree or disagree withwhat Raven-Symoné said?
I disagree.
Disagree.
All right, I'm going to leanmore towards agree.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
And that might be the 30% Irish speaker.
He going to be on the otherside of the camp G.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Hey look, I'm going to be in the house like get him.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Get, get those niggers.
And on top of that, I feel Ifeel a little strong about this
because of the simple fact thatI'm I'm just now taking a
history class and I'm realizingwhat's in the history books is.
They're saying that pretty much, uh, the slaves had an option.
Yeah, do you know what I'msaying?

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
yeah, some of them had options to stay slaves, and
no, they said all in the bar.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Yeah, they're making it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
I mean they've changed the textbook at one
point.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
I got a question.
At what point did they say thatoption came?

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
okay, they're not saying a specific point.
You see, a they're saying likethey're saying that slaves had
an option to be in the house.
They had an option to be freewith.
Go find their own wives so thisis an app.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
They've already been here.
Yeah, okay, I'm finna say itwas a no-go.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Like that, that's not true, andI and I got really upset about
this.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
So for me to see that they still lying on us makes me
even connect more with what wasgoing on back then yes I'm
african-american because y'allgot us fucked up what history
book is this hold on, I wasgonna say a lot of these updated
ones have they have gotten away.
They're going to rewrite,change things put things in.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
No, I got the book right here because I I was I was
doing homework earlier and itwas give me live, give me
liberty.
Seagull edition.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Volume one, seventh edition, it was in chapter one I
wonder what year that book waswritten or published it probably
was like 2020.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
You know, that's when they start sneaking all the
stuff in, like 2020 hold on Ifact checked it.
But all right, all right.
So we are getting towards theend of the podcast.
So before we leave, right, thename of our podcast is called
trenches to trophies.
So the essence of what we, whywe do what we do is always to
build people up to talk abouthow there's always a way to go
from your trenches to yourtrophy.

(01:18:25):
It's just about how youapproach the situation.
So before we get up out of heretoday, I want to make sure
everybody kind of drops a littlegem.
Right, we're gonna, we're gonnatell us a little trench to
trophy little excerpt orsomething like that, whatever
y'all want the people to know.
So I'm gonna start with unique,unique.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
You got a gem for the people.
Man, man, I got something.
Let me say this Just because Igive you advice doesn't mean I'm
smarter than you.
It means I've made moremistakes.
I've had opportunities to gothrough those things and learn
from it.
So I don't want people to feelbecause we all hear our opinions

(01:19:05):
.
It's not facts.
We've been through these thingsto be able to give this input
and this perspective.
So it's okay to go through yourthings and your challenges
through life.
Hear that and just develop fromit, learn from it.
Don't beat yourself over thehead with it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
I rock with that bro.
I actually with that bro.
I actually appreciate that and,to be honest, mine, I think,
kind of connects with yours.
I would say a lot of ourculture survives on pretty much
that mentality, like we got toget it by any means necessary,
just survive by any means.
I think we got to pivot fromsurviving to actually being
strategic, like set a goal andfigure out what the path is.

(01:19:48):
You want to get to it.
I think some of the best adviceI've ever received in going to
work is figure out what you wantto do and then build backwards
Instead of starting from thebottom and trying to figure out
how can I get to the top.
Figure out what it takes fromthat top and everything that
people built before you all theway down towards your starting
point is, and then that allowsyou to kind of map out what you

(01:20:11):
need to get done.
But all right, I'm gonna tellyou what you got for me.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
I just want to say that book was 20 was published
in 2022 man get that book outbut go so with that being said,
I just encourage all our blackfamilies to make sure your kids
know your history.
You know what I'm saying whenblack people know their history,
they carry the strength oftheir ancestors, the wisdom of

(01:20:36):
survival and the pride ofachievements.
And that's a trophy right there.
The achievement is a trophy.
Knowledge of self is thefoundation of empowerment.
Y'all have to know that.
So make sure that you teachyour kids their black history
Because, as we know, this bookright here teaches a lot of

(01:20:57):
white history.
You know what I'm saying and Ithink y'all kids should know
that.
Take a class on black history.
You know what I'm saying, evenyou.
If you don't know, hey, there'schat GPT out there.
Find lots of things abouthistory.
Take some of the things that Isaid in this episode and go fact
check it.
I gave you the name of the book.
Go look it up.
Go read it for yourself.
It's lies in that book.

(01:21:17):
No, I wasn't born 400 years ago, but guess what?
I believe what happened to us.
Like it's stories about it.
It's, it's it's articles aboutit.
They, they have proof.
You feel me Like.
So I just encourage everybodyto know their history.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Man, go ahead, close us out.
That's how it be, man.
But I appreciate y'all takingthe time to listen to another
episode.
I have been your host, ant, andI'm here with my boys.
Unique Artistry.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
And Mate Coelho.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
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You know what I'm saying,because while we were gone, we
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It wasn't just because aunt hada child, it was multiple
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We had location, we had tochange locations, we were trying

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Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Yeah, y'all heard what he said we out, we out.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
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