The Gray Areas of Loyalty: Exploring Street Ethics

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Our deep dive into the controversial topic of "snitching" explores where people draw the line between loyalty and doing what's right. We tackle this divisive issue from multiple perspectives and challenge conventional thinking.

• Distinguishing between snitching and telling based on involvement in criminal activity
• How social media has created new forms of public exposure and accountability
• The shocking statistic that only 6% of sexual harassment cases are handled satisfactorily
• Whether cultural figures like Tekashi 6ix9ine have permanently damaged their reputations
• Testing loyalty through hypothetical scenarios that challenge our values
• Why the no-snitching code originated from survival instincts in certain communities
• When it's universally acceptable to speak up, such as protecting children or the elderly

When raising your children, teach them the fundamentals: "If you see something, say something" applies differently based on context and involvement. Build a value system that emphasizes both personal accountability and protection of vulnerable people.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome back to another episode of the Trenches
for Trophies podcast.
I'm your boy, ant, and I'm herewith my bros, unique, what it
do, and Monte Corleone.
How's it going?
Guys, we appreciate y'allcoming back to listen to us for
another episode.
We got something good for y'all.
Today we're going to talk aboutsomething that's, I guess,

(00:33):
popular in the black culture,but also not necessarily popular
amongst folks.
Very controversial yeah it'sdefinitely very controversial,
yes, sir, but all all right.
So if y'all was around for sixnine when he had his run, uh,
y'all, y'all remember takashi.
Six nine rainbow.
Never heard of it, boy oh, okay, so we just forget the rats

(00:55):
exist gotcha um understood,understood, uh, but yeah, so
we're gonna talk a little bitabout snitching.
If you haven't caught on,that's what we're going to talk
about today.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
I'm snitching.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
So there's a question , right, and before we get into
it because Unique has an actualstory that he's going to tell to
help introduce everything Iwant us to think about something
, right?
So is there ever a right timeto put somebody out there, right
?
So, like, do you ever feel likeit's a good time to put
somebody on?
Blast?
Is that ever?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
is there ever a reason why you like, oh yeah,
blast they, motherfucking knowwhen you with the homies, you
put your homie on blast for thehe didn't did some goofy stuff.
You know what I'm saying yeah,I think there's different.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
I mean like something like that made you like angry
because y'all know a girl mightdo it right.
So I've seen it's a trend nowwith women taking pictures of
their inbox Right Of thirstydudes in their inbox and
blasting them on social media.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
But usually what they'll do, they'll blur out
that dude's name.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
You know what I'm saying, but they're blatantly
just blasting this person, Bruhnames and everything.
That's not a good look.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Profile pictures and everything that's not a good
look.
Profile pictures and everything.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Just like we've been saying that ain't pee, but for
real.
So some people feel likethere's reasons why you should
put somebody on blast, like inthat situation if you a thirsty
dude, then a female, yeah, ifyou on some weird stuff, like
you if a person like say a womanfeel uneasy by this person and
you've communicated to them hey,leave me alone then.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, you probably need to blast them for your
safety yeah you know I'm sayingum, but other than that, I feel
my business all right.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
So me, how I feel all of that shit is for likes.
So for me, if you're gonnablast somebody, call the news
channel, or something you knowwhat I'm saying.
You know what I'm sayingbecause I I don't understand
like I get it's an easier routedoing on the internet.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
That's why it's easier it is.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
But and now, if it was something to where you know,
like that one lady who, who, uh, I don't remember what she did,
but she, she was using then-word, she called somebody a
nigger or something and she gotlike white lady that, yeah, she
got fired from christian.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
She's like confident with it.
You know what my mom's like?

Speaker 2 (03:10):
yeah, your mama they worked with them.
Yeah, she worked with yeah, soit was.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
It was a lady.
You ain't seen it.
It was a lady um back youngyeah, and st louis or whatever
she worked at christiannortheast and west yep, and so
she, she had, uh, used a slur orwhatever, and it was recorded
and got back to the you knowwhat I'm saying, the people, and
they fired her.
Ooh, you know so it's like yeahsometimes in certain situations,

(03:36):
social media does help.
But in those type of situations, like if you serious about it
and you want to really blastsomebody, show your face and
show how hurt you are.
You know what I'm saying andlet people know like, hey, like
this person really hurt me, orsome shit like that.
Don't you blasting somebody forwhat they said in your you know

(03:58):
what I'm saying?
Your inbox?
Yeah, people ain't gonna donothing but laugh and and
ridicule somebody.
Dog, like I don't.
It's rare when somebody isactually seeing that you know
what I'm saying and doingsomething about it.
It's rare.
So for me, social media ain'tnothing but for attention, bro.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
When you posting, it ain't nothing but for attention
dog let's say you, the person,you have done that route where
you went to the news, you wentto authorities.
They not helping, you know, I'msaying so yeah you're going to
social media to blast the person, to put it out there like, say
somebody's a woman's been takenadvantage of you know, sometimes
some go to authorities, theydocument it, you know I'm saying

(04:37):
, but they really not doing anytype of investigative work for
real so then they try to.
They try to blast this man, awoman or whoever.
You know what I'm saying.
Did this to him on the internet.
Now you're you look bad too,because then you're putting
yourself out there to be judgedyou know what I'm saying true.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Unfortunately, unfortunately, if you went to
the police and they ain't donothing and you go online and
and and do some stuff like that,technically you're doomed
because that person can comemess you up just because of the
simple fact you already went tothe police.
They ain't did nothing.
Now you're going online, you'reblasting me now I'm finna, hurt
you I see.
So to that point it don'tmatter, he don't care I think

(05:19):
that's the problem I thinkthat's the problem.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
So we got to understand.
So I want to deal with the theside of it.
So it's crazy because I teachthis for work.
So 6%, only 6%, of like sexualharassment cases are actually
dealt with in a satisfactory way, like most situations.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
94% of them 6% boy.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
That's crazy, right, when you think about it.
Like, when it comes to sexualharassment in the workplace,
only 6% of those cases arehandled correctly.
Other than that, it's eithernot taken seriously or something
happens.
So most of the time people'sfear is of embarrassment or
losing their credentials orstuff like that.
So I think it's situationalright, because usually if

(05:56):
somebody's trying to dosomething to you, they usually
have some type of power over you, they in a position of power or
they have some type ofinfluence, or they got dirt on
you or something like that.
So I think that the way thatyou approach it is is based on
the amount of power that youhave on somebody.
But I feel like going to socialmedia, the thing I wanted to
point out was the proof.
When you, when you post thevideo of the lady or the

(06:18):
recording or whatever of thelady from the hospital yeah,
that's proof that she did whatyou're saying, that she did,
right.
I think it's different whenyou're coming out and just
saying it blatantly without anylike recourse we don't have,
like no text receipts, we don'tknow none you're just saying
like this person is blah, blah,blah, blah, blah blah right, who
put his hands on on old girl.
Pretty much yeah, because youdon't have no, you don't have no

(06:40):
proof, so it's hard for peopleto like swing one way or the
other, because that's whathappened with meg, remember yeah
everybody was like I need tosee more.
And a lot of people hated that.
There's like y'all neverbelieve women.
Y'all never believe women.
But also we had just dealt withthe bill cosby stuff, and you
know what I'm saying.
It was like half of them wastelling the truth, half of them
wasn't like.
So it's like as a society we'rekind of being taught shit.

(07:03):
I need to see more.
You know what I mean?
I can't necessarily trusteverything at face value.
You know what I mean.
Some of that has to come withcredit.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
It's messed up, but you got to go back to the
decision part because we kind ofveered off of it.
Is it okay to go out and say ityes, you need to report that,
stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
I think so.
I think that how you conductyourself, how you do it, matters
, but I think putting it outthere is okay, if you're in that
type of situation overallregardless, even if you're a
witness to it, and that's mything.
I feel like we got away fromthe witness to what whatever the
situation is like, okay.
so y'all remember growing up.
If your neighbor noticed youdoing some whack stuff, they

(07:44):
usually had the permission toeither come snatch you up
themselves or to reach out toyour parents to make sure that
that got handled Right.
I think that's what we lose.
We lose out on that now, likenow.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
They ain't, they ain't and mine ain't business,
they ain't snitching, though forreal, that was.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
But that's, that's what I'm, I think.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
When we talk about snitching, we're talking about
to the authorities.
So what you consider anauthority, I don't think my
neighbor telling my mom I'm like, man, you a snitch.
I'm not looking at them as acold snitch like they from the
car, the police.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
So we talking about like, because define snitch,
because what we talking about?
I think that the culture has aloose definition of snitch.
That's the problem.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Saying I have a loose definition of snitch, but it's
the.
Here's the true definition ofsnitch.
You know what I mean accordingto whom?
According to the streets man, II ain't gonna say this
according to I'm I'm the, I'mthe street I am, the streets I'm
the streets, I'm motherfucking,I'm cheesy.

(08:44):
I am the streets, hey, but nah,like I ain't.
I'm not saying that like I'mthe street representative or
nothing like that, but like ifyou in the game, meaning if you
sell drugs, an organization, ifyou do crime, yeah, let's sum
that up.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Organization.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
The crime syndicate.
The crime syndicate, yeah,drugs, gangs, murderers, all of
that in between.
All of that.
Like you gotta be just acitizen to be okay, to snitch.
Like if you, if you got a gangtattoo, then you're gonna die.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Like it's a code, or it's supposed to be a code it's
supposed to be a code.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
So if you, if you in it and you and you telling or
telling information that youknow about anybody else that's
in it, then you a snitch.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
That's supposed to be a green light and a black eye
on your reputation.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah for sure, Because it would never be the
other way around.
A gangster ain't finna tell ona civilian.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Right, right, right.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
He ain't finna be.
Oh yeah, I've seen themstealing in the store because
they ain't finna do no real.
You know what I'm saying?
Nothing, you know what I'msaying.
So you know what I'm saying.
So a civilian is a civilian.
If they just live their lifenormal, they might smoke a
little weed or something likethat but they ain't in the
street.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
But it's the problem though, people from this
generation not giving, I guess,civilians grace.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
No.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Like so it ain't nobody safe with the snitch.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
You know what I'm snitching nowadays bro, if you
highlight in any type of waywhatever they got going on, they
on your ass.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Look, it's a difference we talked about this
before between snitching andtelling.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
I agree.
I think that's the thing If youa civilian, you telling, if you
a civilian.
You telling If you involved inany way, shape or form, in gang
activity or the street activityyou snitching.
Yeah, because it's a code, allright.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Hold you snitching yeah because, it's a code, all
right, hold on.
Nah.
No, they say go ahead, go ahead, because I'm gonna say this.
I'm gonna say this because acivilian can be a snitch in what
situation you feel like in asituation where they snitching
on another civilian okay like if, if you like, like you say
pretty much you know somebody inapartment building.
They know that you have a dogand they just I'm going to go.

(11:08):
They have a dog, yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Your ass is snitching .
Okay, I feel that, I feel that.
I feel that.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, Look, I was waiting for the example.
I'm like what they doing.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
How they snitching.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Say three of us in the car you know what I'm saying
.
And one individual say I gotsomething.
You know what I'm saying.
Y'all know I have something.
We get pulled over.
Cop comes to the vehicle andthen they pull us out because
they smell something, theysearch it, they find it.
I don't own up to it.

(11:41):
Y'all say, well, it ain't mine.
It ain't mine.
Do you think this?
I think that's telling becauseyou ain't.
You drive snitching.
But that's more like tellingyou ain't snitching.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
See my perspective.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Because you covering yourself.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
But that's what.
And I think that's the problem.
Because, again, if so, if Iknow you and I know you are
involved in certain activity I'mshutting up, I'm not saying
anything.
That's the thing.
I'm not saying, a word, I'm notgiving.
I'm not trying to prove myinnocence, I'm not trying to
prove your innocence.
I'm not going to say anything.
First of all, it's their job.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
They got to do their job and investigate right.
They got to investigate.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
I'm finna sit here and be like oh Okay, I see you
tripping, I ain't seen nothing.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
I'm gonna say something no habla espanol.
Yo quiero taco bell.
Yo quiero taco bell.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
He's saying shit bro.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
I just feel like why Cause?

Speaker 1 (12:41):
why Nah, bro, I'm sitting there.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
This is stoic.
You bet I'm sitting there.
This is stoic.
Look you better.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
As a matter of fact, I'm finna study American Sign
Language right now bro.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
I know what you finna do.
You know what I'm saying.
We know what we finna do.
But I'm saying, in thisscenario I feel like, do you
feel?

Speaker 3 (12:55):
like that's straight up snitching stuff.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Or that's telling Because, like I said, we all
know each other, right?
Yeah, that's telling because,especially like but don't you my
take is saying this issnitching.
You're saying it's telling.
I say it's telling becauseyou're saving yourself and
you're like hey, it ain't mine,yeah, yeah, yeah, but you're not
necessarily saying it's me.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
You're not giving all details.
You know what I'm saying?
That's dry snitching Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
I'm going to say why, tell me, why, tell me, why.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
If all, right now, if it's us three.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
I don't agree with all this, though I'm giving this
us three right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Now if we riding in the car and I know y'all history
right, mm-hmm, and I know y'allhistory right, and let's say,
bro, the only I ain't even finna, do all that.
The only exception is if yourass is going to school and you
can't you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, I get what you're saying.
There's certain times where youmight fall on the sewer.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
It's like all right bro, I get you doing that.
But if you be rolling with me,bro, like we ain't mine, I'm
slapping your ass in this jail,bro, we all need to say the same
thing.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
That's my thing, because if I say it ain't mine,
you say it ain't mine, and youknow what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
You you ain't taking accountability for you for the
stuff you got.
That's why I'm gonna be pissedoff at you, and if we in the
jail what you smacking me for,nigga.
You supposed to be Takingaccountability For your stuff,
bro.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah, yeah, I Okay.
Now that's a different scenario, even though, like I said, at
the end of the day, we all notgonna say nothing.
Right, right, right.
But.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
What we trying to say For this particular scenario,
for people who has done that.
You should take accountabilityFor your stuff you got in the
vehicle yeah, absolutely, youknow I'm saying that's how, and
you shouldn't even be puttingyour homies in that situation to
be able to even tell on you.
You know I'm saying yeah, youshould be looking out for them
yeah, but all your homies is onthe same type of time and you

(14:56):
say, well, it ain't mine, butsee, that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
But like you got to actually be in the situation to
say that because, as the driver,I know how police do.
All they're going to do isbreak us up, and he's just going
to start asking us questions.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
And he might ask them before he get to me.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
So he got an idea already.
Who is it?

Speaker 3 (15:18):
probably yeah, so they're going to go ask
everybody else and if y'alldon't be quiet and say, if y'all
say it ain't mine, then youalready giving them an idea of
who it is.
So it's best to just chill outand then don't say nothing.
Let your homeboy, if he don'ttake the rap, that's when you be

(15:38):
like alright, bruh, that ain'tmine.
Bruh, you know what I'm saying.
That's different.
Now you ain't taking the rapfor your shit.
Ay Cause me, I've mind, bro.
You know what I'm saying.
That's different.
Now you ain't taking a rap foryour shit, because me.
I've been in that situationwhere I'm in front of the police
like bro, we finna bang niggawhat's up?

Speaker 2 (15:55):
So it ain't yours.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
I'm looking at you like it ain't yours bro so I'm
saying let's say we get pulledover and it's yours.
And I'm saying let's say youknow what I'm saying we get
pulled over and it's yours.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, for sure, and I'm looking at you like so it
ain't yours bro, it ain't yours.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Nah, you ain't snitching.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
All right, we going to jail, yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Like yeah, for sure you ain't snitching Because one,
the police, not finna.
Just be like all right, I'mfinna, put it on you.
He's been ready to put it onboth of y'all, so you not
technically snitching because hejust finna get fucked up,
that's all Like you.
You finna fuck him up when youget in the jail, bro.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Like it ain't yours, cause it's who they choose.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Hey, you know you gonna be like you gonna be like,
bro, I ain't taking no chargeright now, but when we get out
this month, bro, it's me and you, bro, like in front of here,
bro Cause bro, you supposed, yousupposed to take that and be
like bro, just come get me.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
You supposed to take that and be like bro, just come
get me, bro, Whether you leaveyour wallet in the car, whatever
it is, you know what I'm saying.
Like, hey bro, justba-da-da-da-da.
I already know I got a warrantin this city, so they probably
going to send me back here.
Just come get me from here.
I don't understand cash, bro.
But that's also why I say becareful who you get in the car
with.
That's another thing, man, Ifeel like people be meeting

(17:18):
folks and be hopping straight inthe whip bro.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Nigga, be careful who you let in your car, because
dudes be dropping off things inother homies' cars, dudes
leaving stuff in Ubers bro.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah, all right, say that.
Scenario One of your homeboysget in the car and you didn't
know that it was in your car.
But because you're the driver,you're getting ready to go to
jail and ain't nobody taking it.
Like you're not snitching.
If you be like bro, this ain'tmine, like who, you know what

(17:51):
I'm saying?
Like, but you technically can'tjust go single somebody out
either.
You can't be like oh well, Ithink it's bros, he was behind
me, you know what I'm saying.
You can't do that.
You gotta kind of be like.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
that's when the homies going to probably apply
that pressure If they my homiesfor real you know what I'm
saying.
Yeah, and they know it was theother homies stuff and he ain't
taking accountability.
If those really your partner,they should be applying their
pressure on him.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
But that's the thing, bro pressure Everybody, be like
man.
I like kicking it with them.
Nah, y'all need to get intosomething.
That's how you know you canrock with somebody if y'all get
into something.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Now that's when you really you got the right to be
pissed off at that person ifthey ain't speaking up though.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, but look so, alright.
So let's get back to 69 then.
When we know or like evenCharleston White because when we
know or like even evenCharleston White cause that's
that's modern day, bro when weknow, niggas like them is
telling what y'all?
What should these dudes bedoing, bro?
How should they be approachinga dude like Charleston White or
not approaching a dude likeCharleston White?
How?
Should they be combating thesetype of people bro.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
For me, niggas like Charleston White.
They are fueled by information.
We gotta stop giving them typeof niggas access them.
Niggas be around people who bearound people.
And so he'd be sitting therewitnessing shit.
He'd be in rooms that heshouldn't be in so he'd be able
to speak on shit he shouldn't beable to speak on, like that's
the shit that'd be fucking withme because, like you, can't take
one of them type of niggas outunless you're gonna sacrifice

(19:22):
yourself or one of your thepeople.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
You explain something to you if you haven't noticed.
Charleston white don't fuckwith real gangsters.
He did not he did not fuck withvon while he was alive.
You gotta think about shit likethat.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
He don't fuck with no real gangsters, these soldier
boys and shit yeah, bro, he atell on the nigga, though that's
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
But he don't fuck with him either.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
You saying he don't test them waters?

Speaker 3 (19:45):
No, he, not even finna, go test them waters.
He'll test them waters withsomebody he know he can get some
paper on and shit like that.
But he ain't finna go talk shiton no real gangsters.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Nobody would take his ass out for real, yeah, nah,
hell, nah.
Like because he didn't talkshit about them too, called all
them niggas, little pussy niggasand all this other type of shit
.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
That's cool, but I bet you he ain't going to go
through motherfucking O-Block.
You feel me, yeah, like hecould talk all that shit,
because?

Speaker 2 (20:13):
That nigga had to pepper spray.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Big Draco.
That's what I'm saying, that'swhat I'm saying but, so you're
trying to tell me.
Soulja Boy wasn't applying thatpressure.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Ay Soulja Boy.
Crazy though.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
This the thing Soulja Boy walked up on him with, like
faux niggas, mm-hmm, you seewhat I'm saying.
Yeah, if I was Charleston Whiteand I had pepper spray and you
walking up on me with fauxbodyguards, I probably would
pepper spray your ass too.
Now, if Soulja Boy walked up onhim by himself and was like,

(20:45):
hey, I want my one, bro, I betyou he probably been like Cat
Williams on some shit, likealright, what's up, nigga, let's
go around the corner.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
I think his heart be thumping.
He understand when he undersome real pressure, bro Alright
we talking, yeah, but I guess hedidn't consider that.
You know what.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
I'm saying Think about it.
Every time somebody run up onthem, they be deep, yeah, yeah,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Like I mean, technically, you got to kind of
look it up and see Is pepperspray a weapon?
Because if it's a weapon, Iprobably can shoot your ass
while you're sitting herespraying me with some shit and
fucking up my vision Because Idon't know what you're finna, do
bro, it's not a deadly weapon?
Yeah, fucking up my vision,because I don't know what you
finna do, bro, it's not a deadlyweapon, yeah, yeah, but I don't

(21:27):
know what you getting ready todo bro Like you, so you feel
like it's assault.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
You think I'm a threat, but I don't.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
I wasn't threatening you.
So what if you spray me and Ipull my shit out and get the
dumping at your ass, like am Iwrong?

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Let that's force for force.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, pray out of mass force.
For force, the level of force.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
So like it'd be cool for you to have a spray on that,
but not like yeah.
You can't see, though.
You better keep it on you rightback.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Nah, nigga, because I mean, if it's an open carry
state man, my natural reactionwould probably be to grab my
strap.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 (22:09):
yeah, it probably would be some type of charge
behind it because I can't seeand I'm firing my weapon, oh
yeah, so you know, I'm sayinglike, yeah, I understand, but
it's like, it's like how, howI'm gonna, how I'm gonna match
that.
But you know what I'm?
I'm totally wrong, becausepepper spray is a defense thing,
so it really you just to getpeople up off you.
However, he's using it in adifferent way.
He's using it as an attackinstead of a defense.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
I get that, Nah, when he did it though he was pepper
spraying them niggas behind hisgirl, his wife, though he was
behind her, it was like duckingbehind her.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Ah, he really soft Bruh, different kind of soft
like that yeah, and he'll snitchat that, but what is okay?
So look and he don't care.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
But right, don't care .
So that's why I want to talkabout, because because it's
situation like the young boyking that was around, that dude
finesse two times you see a lotof the situation that young boy
was in.
He shouldn't have been around.
That you know.
I'm saying you shouldn't havebeen.
So what this dude do he withthe saying he shouldn't have
been?
So what this dude do he want tocall CPS and all that he?

Speaker 3 (23:08):
want to go snitch Charles and White, right, okay,
you know what I'm saying aboutthe situation.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
But when you know you see that kid and he ain't
supposed to be in that scenario,you think what Charles and Did
was wrong.
Or should he have minded hisbusiness, or was it right?

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yes, he should have minded his business, and the
reason why I say that is becausehe did it so he can laugh.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, that's what we think.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Good reason he ain't doing that shit.
Okay, all right, let me askthis Can we just talked about
social media and posting shit,right?
Did he post it?
Did he post about it?
Did he say that he did this andblah, blah that boy is posting.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
He was recording himself on live reporting you
see what I'm saying but that'swhat I'm saying though he doing
this shit for publicity.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Bro, like you, he's nothing without some some
bullshit, some yeah, someattention yeah, so I'm telling.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
But if you see he been ducked off because not
since woody came out now it'sbeen like the spotlight been on
him now they feel like he's more.
I don't know, I don't know, Iguess, why are?
You getting the past so muchbro, because a lot of people
don't understand what he did.
A lot of people don'tunderstand like the confusion
that he created and like how heapproached everything.

(24:19):
Some people give him credit forsaying that because he created
so much confusion.
That's what got them niggas offyeah, but he also started it.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
I was just like, no, it's both, it's both the truth
is it's both.
Yeah, because you started thatshit and he finished that shit
hold on.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Hold on because you watched a lot of it, so I wanted
to pray, like you know anton tofinish the pin.
And then I probably said,because you watched more than we
did, like I feel like, uh,woody, you know I'm saying, um,
he told for sure, yeah, but hefound a way to finish the
situation to get himself off, toget himself free.

(24:57):
You know I'm saying, and thenthe dudes he was in the
situation with off a little bittoo.
You know, I know what I'msaying.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
But at the end of the day, it's still a black eye on
his reputation.
It should be, and the reasonwhy niggas don't try him because
they know his reputation.
You know what I'm saying, sothat's what's saving him in a
lot of spaces.
Go ahead, go ahead, monte.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
So, nah, you finish your.
I think that that's the good,that's the perspective on woody.
But people didn't understand itbecause your original question
was like why do people give hima pass?
yeah, yeah you know what I'msaying.
I think that people give him apass because they don't
understand what actuallyhappened.
A lot of people didn't followthe trial, understanding one.
He was the one who started it.
Yeah, a lot of people came inhalfway and they realized oh,
he's just playing dumb, heplaying stupid.
So he could get them up andthat's the credit that they ran

(25:47):
with the rest of the way.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
And it's funny because he wasn't playing stupid
.
He lied to get himself out ofsome situations, so he started
putting the blame of some shitthat he was involved in on other
people to make it seem like itwasn't him.
You know what I'm saying?
And that's not an honorable man.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
No, not at all so is there somebody you want in your
camp?
Is there?

Speaker 1 (26:16):
somebody you want in your camp bro.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
Okay, yes or no?

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Nah, yes or no Is there somebody you want in your
camp.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Nigga, hold on, because this the thing.
This yes or no.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Nah, yes or no, if there's somebody in your camp,
nigga, hold on, because this thething.
I feel that the reason, the waythat he went about it and the
people that he chose to tell onor lie on was a bad choice
because he was upset at them,you know what.

(26:46):
I'm saying, If anything, youput that on some ops, but to my
point at that point them was hisops.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
You see what I'm saying.
They ops was more thorough thanthem.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
None of them, boys was telling.
That's true.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
So you want.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Woody in your camp, I mean no.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Absolutely not, because one Shooter or not?
One.
Hey, i'm'm gonna say this Ifuck with Woody but I would
never he wouldn't be, hewouldn't be my, my partner, or
no shit like that.
You feel me like and and I knowif he heard he'd probably be
like nigga, I wouldn't be yourpartner anyway, that's cool you

(27:31):
feel me, but I wouldn't be hispartner because of the simple
fact, bruh, that I wouldn't behis partner because of the
simple fact, bro, that was somereal sensitive shit right there.
You know what I'm saying.
But at the same time, likeThugnam should have saw that you
know what I'm saying theyshould have Like, yeah, he go
hard in the streets but he gohard behind some sensitive shit.

(27:52):
Like nigga, you snitched onsome sensitive shit because you
ain't, you was mad at anotherman and you lied on him and got
him in the whole rico charge.
That got him put behind barsfor years, bro, you know what
I'm saying.
And yeah, he wasn't playingstupid on the stand.
He was trying to tell themfolks, like why y'all keep
playing with me?
Like y'all know that I was, Iwas lying in there, miss love.

(28:16):
I told you I was lying in thereand you keep on got me on the
stand doing this stupid stuff itwas definitely some
entertainment.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
It was entertaining, bro, but at the end of the day,
no, I can't play with people.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Live bro.
No, you can't, no, especiallywhen, especially when.
You can't no, especially when,especially when I ain't going to
put that out there- but, it's.
You know what I'm saying.
It's crazy when some of thecrimes that he committed was you
know what I'm saying thereasons why niggas was locked up
.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
You know what I'm saying Because of you.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yeah, you know and, and and on the, and the simple
fact that that bro was like niceenough to do stuff for you.
Then you kind of took advantageof them and stuff like that but
so we?

Speaker 1 (28:59):
I want to.
I want to talk about that,though, because it's I feel like
, on one part, we want people tosnitch, on another part, we
don't want people to snitch,right because I feel like okay
because, yeah, because, likewe've talked about it and we've
said, like we tap in thissituation yeah, it's cool, yeah,
let them know what's going on.
But in in this situation, nah,that nigga he soft for that.
Don't want no nigga like thataround me, which is

(29:19):
understandable right in hissituation.
But is it just situational oris it don't snitch period.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
You know what I'm saying.
He going to probably say thesame shit.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
You want to go first, then boy, or you want me to
just go ahead.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
I just feel like alright, the one scenario, or a
few scenarios that I feel likegangster, civilian, whatever you
are, it's alright to saysomething is if you see some
shit with some kids, you knowwhat I'm saying.
If you see anything with somekids, elderly or something like
that, you see somebodymistreating them or something,
yeah, it's alright to go aheadand pick up that phone, even

(29:58):
though it's against yourreligion to dial 911.
It's cool.
It's like hey man, look, I gota suspicion.
If somebody over there I seekids running in and out of there
, you know what I'm saying,because I don't expect no
gangster to go handle that.
That's kind of against the code.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
What you mean, go handle what?

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Go see what's going on.
That's kind of against the codefor real.
You minding your business Oldschool.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
If that was my hood, I'm supposed to be knowing
what's going on in my hood 2025,.
Bro, the gangsta's supposed tobe the hood protectors they used
to be.
That's true, that's true.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
You just said here 2025, all right, but let's,
let's be honest.
Would you call these new niggasgangsters?
Oh like would you qualify?

Speaker 3 (30:42):
them as gangsters?
No, because first of all huh,first of all, I'm not even
referring to them, because theydon't even pay attention enough
to be looking like they knowthey ain't no gangsters, hell no
they crash dummies they have,all right.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
they have, yeah, they have no situational awareness.
Yeah, you know what I'm sayingStraight crash dummies, bro.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
And it's not planned at all.
I feel like old gangsters.
They used to be at leastcoordinated.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah, we had bro old, I say we Old gangsters, bro,
like had a code, bro, youbleeped that out.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Right.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
We got them I am not gang, I do not gang bang right,
I do not gang bang notaffiliated in any way, shape or
form no, so like, oh, oh, like,oh, geez, like that it was a
cold, but you don't, you don'tlook back in the 80s and 90s
back in the 80s and 90s.
You know I'm saying like it was, it was straight of cold.

(31:34):
Like I remember growing up inthe 90s where it was certain
people that just couldn't comein our neighborhood like oh geez
, hey, man, uh-uh, bro, can't,bro can't come around here.
Yeah, it was a it was.
It was a, a non-visible wall,like they couldn't step foot
like and you felt the difference, like the whole block felt when
somebody was there they weren'tsupposed to be like you felt

(31:55):
the difference, Like the wholeblock felt when somebody was
there they weren't supposed tobe, Yep.
Like you felt the presence.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
You felt eyes on you, bro Right you looked outside
Like hold on the block justchanged.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
But even when you stepped in somebody else's love,
bro.
I'll never forget when I was Irode my bike through Normandy
one time.
Like I felt it felt different.
I was stupid, far away fromthem.
I went through Normandy, thecat came outside.
He said what kind of bike isthat?

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I ain't never rode my shit so fast.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Let me see that real quick.
Dude literally said hold on,I'm finna, get that motherfucker
.
Went back in the house.
I said you thought I was finnabe here.
When you got out, he was like Iwas up, be here.
When you got out, nigga, I wasup out of there.
What are you talking about?
I was like nine bro.
The dude was grown, he had abeard bro.
I'm like this nigga finna tossme up off this mud.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
I was like but look the situational awareness you
had.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
To be able to recognize there was a threat in
fleet.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Bro, Like bro was was gonna snatch my bike.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
I was gonna have to walk home all the way from
normandy bro, so sorry lookhere's the situation in u city,
bro, like this shit, it fuckedme up because, like I like, if
you, if you've been listening,like I told you, like one of my
cousins, kind of like he, hebrought the bloods over to my
area, right so, or to you cityor whatever, and he might not

(33:22):
have, but this is from myknowledge when I was like six,
so he did what he did orwhatever, and but he had this
little crew or whatever, andit's this one dude I cannot
remember his name, but he was alittle, a little light-skinned,
little skinny, shysty dude, bro.
So, and my partner RIP, my niggaVernon that stayed down the
street um from us or whatever.

(33:44):
He, uh his parents, was welloff.
You know what I'm saying.
So he used to always had agames and he had a dyno with
some mags on it and man dude say, hey, man, dyno with some mags
on it.
And man dude say, hey, man, hey, little homie, let me ride that
real quick.
Man, let him roll that bike.
Next thing.
You know, we was picking it upwith his parents yeah like his

(34:04):
parents was in the car they was.
They was asking oh damn, was I asnitch?

Speaker 2 (34:11):
because I was, I was young, hold on, because I had to
think about it oh shit, we'reputting parameters on age now oh
shit, alright, so check, socheck no for real, though,
because there's people like1090J that you know interview,
you know, does these stories onpeople who snitch the rap games

(34:32):
right so they would look atthings like people, like Fesse
two times and other rappers whohave told when they were younger
yeah, like single digits and 12, you know what I'm saying, yeah
so think back at that age.
When you were that age, themindset you had.
Would you have known like thecode is to keep my mouth shut?

Speaker 1 (34:55):
well, that's kind of how you learn the code.
I feel like as a kid you, youmess up and then you.
That's how you learn them yeah,and one.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
We missed a step in the in the definition of the
snitching part.
The snitching has to result inyou being behind bars in some
type of courtroom or some shitlike you saving yourself.
You gotta save yourself becauseI'm thinking about what I did
and it don't correlate with whatwe.
You know.
I'm saying what we define inthis snitching, because what
happened was he stole the bike.

(35:22):
His parents knew that my, theyknew who my cousin was, so they
would rarely let me in theirhouse, but they also knew who to
ask.
You know what I'm saying?
Who is that?
Who took his bike?
It was one of your cousin'sfriends, cool.
So I need you to go find out.
And I went and asked my mom.
I went and told my mom and mymom was like, oh hell, no, we

(35:44):
finna find out where he at,because that's a reflection on
your family.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
People got to realize that, nah, I'm not finna.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Let you go running a slid.
You were just a tattletale inthat scenario.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Pretty much, well, I mean.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
But that's why Not really?
Not really because and like youknow what I'm saying Not really
because.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
I was asked who is that?
And I'm like I don't know, butthey was like that's one of your
cousin friends.
I'm like, yeah, Go find out.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
You know what I'm saying.
You more information to gaininformation like police like
yeah, like that's why wesupposed to keep our mouth shut.
You know, I'm saying becausenow they get to cut out
information and glue it togetheryou know I'm saying to get
information so.
But that's why I'm saying, asfar as earlier, the earlier
scenario, it ain't mine that'stelling, that ain't snitching

(36:32):
because I ain't put nobodybehind boys.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Yeah however, but you saving yourself, exactly.
Yeah, but I really wasn'tsaving myself because from that
at that, at that point in time,huh except for my ass whooping
no from nobody, because for reallike not at all, because I
didn't.
It's not my shit, it's not mybike, it was never my bike to to

(36:56):
be.
You know they start askingquestions.
I'm like, oh man, I kind offeel bad that he got his bike
took.
But this is the one thing thaty'all gotta realize, because I'm
my cousin's little cousin, I'mthe one don't, don't fuck with
him.
You know what I'm saying.
So to me it's like don't fuckwith my friend.
You know what I'm saying.
So, regardless, if I would havewent told my mom or my cousin

(37:17):
it was don't get handled.
You know what I'm saying.
Because he's shitting the fuckwith my partner, right, you know
everybody else is, is is freegame these niggas?
is off limits right so it was awhole messed up situation.
To be honest, you know what I'msaying, so I, I, I don't
clarify, I don't classify myselfas a snitch for that.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
So I never.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Okay, snitching.
You got to sit your ass On thestand and point a nigga out too.
That's a snitch.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Now, nah, cause you ain't gotta Get subpoenaed To go
to that court.
All they need is you yourstatement, and then they can
corroborate it with evidence.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
So is that?
Yeah, but see Giving astatement.
I think that's what qualifiesyou.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Do you have to get on the stand with giving a
statement?
Not every time.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
You can give a statement at the scene.
They can take statements at thescene.
So if something popped off andthe police come and you sitting
there and you telling them astory while they writing it down
.
I think that's different.
Nah, because?

Speaker 3 (38:11):
I think when you write a statement and you don't
show up to court to corroboratethat statement, that statement
is null and void.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
But listen to what you said.
You said right.
What about give verbally Likeyou said at a scene, or
something like?

Speaker 1 (38:28):
that, like if something happens, like if they
be like oh, y'all saw Tyrone, orI did that.
That's different.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
You got to show up for that or it's null and void.
That's he say, she say, that'snot even it's not, that's not,
that's not admissible, it's notevidence.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Now, if they, if you say so and so did so and so and
the gun is so and so I I, yes,hold on like because, because I
agree with you, right, but is,are we saying we what we qualify
as snitching, or the courtsystem?
Because I think that that'sdifferent, because I think that
if, let's say, the big homiewatches you, give that statement

(39:01):
to the police, is he going tocare that you, finna, go to
court, or will he possibly takeyou?

Speaker 3 (39:06):
out.
No, it's over with.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
DP for sure.
Dp for sure so.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
I think you automatically a snitch once you
give the information, versuswhether you corroborate it or
not.
I think that in the courtsystem, yeah, you got to
corroborate and put somebodybehind bars.
I think that'll get you killed.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
But I think being labeled a snitch in general is
just giving that information tothe party.
The fact is, you know one thingtoo we talking about this and
we trying to find all theseloopholes, but these dudes out
there in Cali getting cooked on,you know they playing these
police games and trying toidentify what's this and what's
telling.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
That's how they're getting caught up with all this
stuff.
I feel like that's new age shit.
That's because people don'thave no code, no more.
When there was a code, youunderstood.
You do this, you don't do this.
You associate with these people.
You don't associate with thesepeople.
You go these two streets, don'tgo to that third street over
there, you stay.
You stay within these couple ofblocks right here, like it was
just rules, bro, that's what.
That's what we did.
Now, people don't care aboutthe rules, but all right, so

(40:01):
pivot real quick.
I got some scenarios for y'all.
So, since we talking back andforth on what we qualify as
snitching, I got a question foreach one of y'all.
Right, so my time start withyou.
Your little cousin sawsomething at school.
Okay, should she too?
So let's say she saw thislittle girl get stomped out, get

(40:21):
her books taken right, mm-hmm.
But she know exactly who themgirls are.
Yeah, now the thing is theother girl who got stomped out
she cool, she cool.
They got a class together.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Should your cousin say something?

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Should she help that girl out.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Um, she's in high school, right?
I mean she just in school,whether this is college, high
school, whatever, because yourcousin one.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
All right, how cool is she with this girl?
I?
Mean I understand she got aclass with her.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
I feel like I feel like that shouldn't matter.
I feel like her level offriendship with the girl.
If she cool with it, she justcool with her.
Like I don't know what cool is.
Cool could be they sharingsnacks.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
They sharing snacks.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
They may not call her friend, because she may have
just met her.
But they cool, they've beentalking for a couple, like a
week or so like a minor, minorbusiness.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Yeah, because that ain't got shit to do with you If
they was to approach you,that's totally different.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
So if campus security came and asked her a question
like hey, we reviewed thefootage and we saw you across
campus.
Did you see anything?
I ain't see nothing.
Okay, that's what I want toknow.
I want to know, like, if sheput in a situation where, like
nope, she got to say somethinglike, even though she know
clearly who the girl who gotstomped out and she know the
girls who did it nope, don't saybecause here's what you're
doing.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
If you listening to us right now, picture a chess
board.
Boom, you got that one girl.
Put that one piece right there.
Boom, you got these threechicks.
That's jumping her.
Put the three pieces on theboard.
You know what you just did?
By saying something.
You took a piece that wasn'teven supposed to be there and
put yourself on that damn board.
Stay out the situation.
You don't even want to be inthe.

(42:04):
We don't want to be on theboard.
You don't want to be seen.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
I ain't got nothing to do with that what if it was
your daughter who got stumped up?
Would you have wanted somebodyto say something?

Speaker 3 (42:12):
of course I don't wanted somebody to say something
, but at the same time mydaughter know who did it, so for
me they're gonna get fucked up,man nah, hold on, I take seeds
to see something say, somethingsigns and just laughs no if you
see something, say something seesomething, do something right,
different reactionI saw in a situation.

(42:34):
If I I would see some, if I sawsomething, I would say
something.
If I saw, like I have seen bagsat the airport, unattended, or
at train stations and stuff likethat, and I've, I've said
something hey, hey, y'all, thinky'all can check that out real
quick, like it's just sittingthere and they've been sitting
there since I've been sittinghere, so I think y'all can check
that out, and then somebodywill come get they bag type of

(42:56):
thing.
You know what I'm saying.
So I've done that.
But I'm not the type of personwho you see something, say
something.
I'm riding down the street.
Somebody get shot.
I see them.
Damn.
I'm like, oh, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
If he stop moving, bro, I'm gone so now I was
getting ready to ask and thisscenario quick, because I know
you, finna, ask me something andso we need to cook you on
something real quick Now.
So you're walking outside theconvenience store, gas station
or something, and you hear awoman say, hey, stop.
You hear footsteps.
He has my purse.
What are you going to do?

(43:30):
Are you going to mind yourbusiness, you going to say
anything, or are you going tointervene?

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Nah, that person gone .
So, um, I'm and it's the thinglike I'm pretty, I'm pretty big
on helping people out, like if Igot the ability to, I'm
definitely gonna help somebodyout.
But in that type of situation Idon't know what he got, I don't
know who he is like and I got afamily to get back to so like I
don't think it's necessarilysmart to involve myself in that
now.
It's hard right, because if thesituation would have to present

(44:00):
itself the right way?
So let me, let me tell youexactly.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
you walking out the store yeah, she's parked in the
handicapped section, which youknow is going to be right in
front, right.
So when you come out the store,it's to the point where that
guy is running towards you, sohe's going to run past you.
You're going to step back,you're going to tackle him.
What are you going to do?

(44:25):
You're just going to let itride.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
I'm probably going to back up and hit the meanest
sweep that you've ever seen inyour motherfucking life.
I'm probably going to step backand sweep the shit out of his
shit and then move about mymotherfucking business.
But after that, like it's just,I don't know, I just feel like.
I feel like he, he punked me,Like.
I feel like, like, like if herun past me and I'd be like, oh,
Move little nigga Right.
Oh my goodness, are you okay?

(44:47):
Are you okay?
He running directly towards you, move little nigga I.
You okay with that?

Speaker 2 (44:51):
He running directly towards you.
No, bro.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
I feel like he finna catch a smooth clothesline elbow
.
I'm finna trip this dudesomething man I don't know, I
feel like I'm not gonna do thisFalcon punch.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Bro, but you know what that reminds me of.
Now is your natural reactiongonna be to move out the way.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
I know that's what I'm saying, my natural, but
asking me that I feel like, Ifeel like this is my thing.
It made me think because I'veI've seen this before and I just
remember where spider-man, thevery first spider-man, yeah,
yeah, bro, like I remember that,because when uncle ben, that's
what remember, uh he had let thecriminal go, and then that was
saying dude, but anyway that'swhy I chuckled but I think, when

(45:29):
I think about it though, bro, Ifeel like I would, I would
legit probably trip, because I,I know me, it's calculating,
like I know, I know You're goingto put that foot up, I'm going
to calculate, yeah, especiallyif he like, if he got time, like
he legit like running up pastme, like it's like a few seconds
, like I'm probably going tomove, like you said initially,
but I'm probably going to likeleave my foot out the way like a
damn door.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
I do not have a badge .

Speaker 1 (46:01):
I feel you, bro.
I don't know, it's justsomething about that situation.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
I just nah, I be trying to tell you I don't give
a damn about what's going onwith other people.
Bro, if it happened to mypeople or something like that,
like like my wife's stuff gotstolen yeah, we was out on the
on the prowl.
You feel me like that's.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
That's different I don't care about it, we did our
own investigation.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Yeah, bro, I don't care about nothing else that be
happening, like if it wassomebody that you know or you
know, yes, I got.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yeah, but y'all know how I am.
So my own scenario like thatyeah, I'm he getting tackled.
Yeah, like yeah, he getting allall that work.
That's what I'm saying like Iprobably rob him too and then
I'm gonna give her the purseback and I probably, you know,
check his pockets.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Yeah, I think about that all the time I mean, okay,
now here's here's, here's thedilemma with even though I just
got a.
But no, you probably wouldn't,because here's the dilemma
between us two and you.
You would train for things likethat.
That's all right, you know whatI'm saying, so you would
naturally try to stop them byany means necessary, because you

(47:09):
, if somebody was, because younaturally protect people.
Protect my country, hey, but henaturally.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
No country I don't care about that I know.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
But so here's the how could I say the psychological
piece to that you no longer feellike you have to protect your
country, but you feel like youhave to protect those close to
you, so that that thing that shewas close she's in my vicinity,
huh.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
So this woman would be in my vicinity, so I would
feel obligated to protect her.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Yeah, mmhmm, cause you told me something today.
I was like I was like that justmade me just know that you
naturally a protector when youwas like old babe was riding in
the car and dude was fidgetingor whatever and you was, and the
reason why you were more on hisass was because she was in the

(48:03):
car.
So it was kind of like, yeah,because you, because for real
for real you.
I feel like you was with her,but you was kind of like not
with her, like I, and likementally I don't think you was.
You was kind of like not withher, like mentally, I don't
think you was trying to help her, but you was kind of like man,
I'm done with this, hey, nah.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
But yeah, straight up , that's real.
Because, yeah, in that scenario, I was definitely obligated to
because, like I said, she was inthe car with me.
Yeah, so you got to go backhome.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Nah, yeah, because I can't have that.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
But go ahead.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
So you got to go back home.
Yep, Nah, yeah, because I can'thave that Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Ant, I know you probably had a question for me.
Yeah, I got a question for you.
You can't get up out of this,all right.
So let's say you were in therewith one of your regulars, right
, you were in there cuttingdude's head, doing y'all thing,
y'all having a coolerconversation.
It get to the point where dudelegit start confessing that you
know, back in the day hemurdered a couple people.

(48:59):
You know they never, nobodyever found out, nobody ever did
nothing or said nothing.
You know he just letting you,letting you know what's up.
You know I'm saying so.
You couldn't have heard thatyou say anything.
No, you you telling anybody noNah.
Even that to yourself.
Yeah, even if it's like an openmurder, you know, like

(49:20):
Absolutely Okay.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
That's even more, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
No, no, no.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Because ain't no statute of limitations on a body
.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Yeah, and I don't know it's not Nah.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Oh shit, I'm in trouble, Straight up.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Ain't nothing on murder, ain't no statute of
limitations On time.
You know what I'm saying Forthat.
But yeah, nah, I'm keeping mymouth shut, cause who's to say
he's saying all this informationTo test me, cause he know who
he told it to.
You know what I'm saying.
Now I put myself in a situationI go tell he know who he told
it to.
Now I'm a target.
You know, now I put a target onmy family.

(50:01):
He knows where I work.
Now he can watch when I comeand go and track down where I
stay.
I'm sorry, I'm thinking, I'mthinking out how I think so no,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
But that's smart because again, people listening
don't think about those, thatthose consequences.
They're like no, that's what'sright, they don't trip off of.
Oh, you could put you, or yourfamily in danger.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
The snitching has been put in the fear of the
black community Because you'retelling them.
People in your community, weknow where you stay.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (50:30):
I'm saying, you know the Ripper cousins of this
possibly.
So that's why people you, I'msaying keep their mouth shut.
You know they try to abide bythe street rule of no snitching
the best way to stay safe so Iguess I want to ask y'all this
real quick is this somethingyou're going to teach your kids,
what?

(50:52):
What will you teach your kidsabout snitching and telling?

Speaker 3 (50:56):
um, I okay, I'm not gonna teach my kids the things
that I know about snitching.
I'm gonna teach them the basicsabout snitching and I'm gonna
allow them to handle it how theysee fit, because it's their
life now.
I'm gonna give you the tools togo out here and not, but, like
I always say, like I said before, if you ain't in it, you good

(51:21):
and.
But we see, we in a differentscenario too, because we have
two protectors, or threeprotectors that are in close
vicinity.
He, anytime there's an issue,especially if it's going to be
an issue with my kid, I'mcalling they uncle first, and

(51:42):
both of y'all for real.
I'm going to call both of y'allon FaceTime or some shit like
that.
But that's the thing.
You got those type of peoplebehind you, so do what you feel
is right.
I got you type of thing.
But it's like, if they're, ifthey civilians, they civilians
that's my definition now when itcomes to today's society and

(52:06):
they just feel like she snitchedand they feel like that they
gotta come after then.
Now they have, now they haveconsequences as well.
So, snitching, I'm gonna teachthem the basics.
I'm not gonna teach them like,hey, this, this, if you're a
gangster, like what we justtalked about, like nah, that's
not.
If you see something, saysomething.
If you get in trouble, and youdoing it too, you don't say

(52:29):
nothing to nobody.
That's that's, that's basics,right there, you know what I'm
saying?
Like, don't snitch on yourself,don't snitch on yourself, don't
snitch on nobody else if youdoing something.
But if you not doing anythingand you saw something and you
feel like that was wrong and thepolice asked you a question, go
ahead and tell them that yougot my permission, you got

(52:49):
straight up.
Go do that.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
No, but you ain't.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
What you feel like you're going to teach your
children when they come of ageabout snitching and telling them
how they should go about it.
I think it starts with.
For me personally, I think itstarts with morals, right.
So I think growing up, whathelped me was initially being
taught don't betray your friends.
Stay true to your friends.
You know what I mean.
If you're going to be aroundsomebody, make sure that they
solid.
I think that that's what helpedme initially that's the thing

(53:21):
too.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
I don't know because you walk.
That's an aspect we talkedabout with with this mission is
with your friends and trust yeah, yeah, that's big bro because
if you're doing like you said,you're doing things around your
friends, you trust them to noteven be in situations that they
can tell on you.
You know what I'm saying, right?
So do you trust them and yourfriends enough to keep your

(53:43):
mouth shut?

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Yeah, I think I think that's my thing right, because,
first of all, that's why I saidthat I think that initial trust
is what points.
That's why I don't like usingthe word friend like that.
Because in my opinion, youshouldn't even have to ask
yourself if you trust yourfriends.
Like the whole friend titlecomes with trust.

(54:08):
You know what I mean.
Like I'm not going to call youmy friend and if y'all ever trip
off how I talk, whether you onthis podcast or you know me in
real life I don't really usethat term like that I might say
homie, I say homie, I saypartner.
I might be like oh yeah, that'sthe homeboy from work or like
that's something that I don'tcall my friends yeah, like I
don't call people like legit,like all, but not even family,

(54:29):
because it's definitely somefriends I didn't had over the
years that I qualify as familymembers.
So it's like nah, we, you, yougot to do something, we got to
be going through something.
You ain't just known me for alittle bit of time.
We didn't have some roughpatches.
We'd have been into a situationthat could have caused one of
us to break and and you didn't.
You know what I'm saying andthat's how I know that we can

(54:49):
move forward more, so gonnafocus on the value system,
morals impact.
So, like, yeah, for sure.
Like for me, it's like, evenwith the snitching things,
specifically when you, when youtalk about that, like, let's say
, my daughter came like hey, Igot this and it's messing with
me, I feel like I should saysomething.
We're going to discuss theimpact.
What do you feel like is goingto happen with this If you say
something, versus if you don'tsay something?

(55:09):
What do you feel like theimpact is going to be?
And that's how I feel like youweigh out if you're going to
talk or not Like, what's theimpact of this situation?
This it?
Uh, I'm not taking no rap foryou, nigga, yeah, you know what
I'm saying.
But if it's vice versa, and Isee you, you getting your life
together, we do, we was justdoing some stupid shit, but you
can't afford to go back to jail,then I might hit that.
You know what I'm saying.

(55:29):
I might go ahead and take thaton the chin just because I might
do a couple months, right, you,you know, I mean, if you get
caught up, that's, that'sautomatically a few years.
So I'm just like it's.
It's based on what's about tohappen.
Yeah, based on this situation.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
It's the same with me .
So there's one thing that I'mgoing to say that's a little
different, because I don't trustnobody with certain shit.
So it depends on what I'mgetting ready to do.
Yeah, depends on what I'mgetting ready to do.
Yeah, that nobody's going toknow, because I don't trust that

(56:04):
if we did get in this room,that there's a possibility that
they are able to trick you outof the truth, or to trick you
into saying something about me,or to incriminate yourself.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
So no, so intelligence is a factor too,
like you, got to be like no, forreal.
Yeah, you feel like your homiemight be a little slow and he
might be, he might get trickedout of it.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Not even that it's people that just don't know how
the police operate just greenit's not even that, bro.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
It's certain people that just like, like you might
get, you could be smart as hell,but then, like you said, you
mess up in that room, bro I'mtelling you, like some people
don't know, don't write astatement okay at all, but
that's what I was finna say.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
I was finna say drop some gems because, like I don't
think the people who listen toknow what we talking about well,
that's the first key.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Now, when you know the first key is shut the fuck
up.
You know what I'm saying wemean that.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
We mean that because it's gonna save you out of some
BS too, like cause the thingabout police.
They like to play them gamesand they can try to pin stuff on
you.
Just keep your mouth shut.
You didn't say nothing.
You know what I'm saying.
So they can't use anythingagainst you.
They have to do their job cause.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
I don't know what it's called, I keep forgetting
the name of it, but when theytell you that everything you say
can and will be used againstyou, miranda rights, do not
Miranda rights.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
We have the right to.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
And, on top of that, like a lot of people, don't even
be tripping off of it.
They don't be reading you yourrights, bro.
That's a violation, bro.
Like they need to, they have toread the Miranda rights to me.
Yo, we should have got themshit.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Them cases came out.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
bro the thing about it is, bro, you don't have no
lawyer for certain shit.
Bro, when they arresting youfor a traffic stop, you got
wants or whatever.
You ain't.
You know what I'm saying, andit's in St Louis.
You know what I'm saying, butthat's besides the point, what.
What we want to do is drop afew gems about, like, what you
need to do when you in a certainsituation, and one thing is be

(58:04):
quiet, don't keep talking, don'teven answer their questions.
Say I want a lawyer, even ifyou ain't got no money for the
lawyer, like court appointedlawyers will be provided for you
.
However, don't tell them shiteither, because they work for
the court, so you need to inthat process, you need to be
figuring it out.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
So that's, that's the first tip.
The second one is, when you getin that room, when they slide
you a paper and a piece of penand a piece of paper, don't
write nothing on there, don'twrite what happened, don't write
your name on it, don't donothing.
You know what I'm sayingbecause one of my partners I'm
throw a situation out there thepolice wrote a statement and he

(58:43):
signed it and guess what he didyears behind that and that was
just green of him.
You know what I'm saying.
But he didn't know.
He ain't know Like.
All he thought is they waswriting up what happened because
, like you said, verbally, hetold them what was going on.
They wrote down what theywanted to write.
He didn't read it, but hesigned it, thinking that you

(59:03):
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
But that goes to that's elementary right there we
got to teach our kids likedon't be signing nothing you
ain't read.
Don't sign nothing you haven'tread.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
It's a bad habit because we do it all the time
Tablets, phones, any electronicdevice, new video games, anybody
reading all them terms andconditions and we move on.
But we don't trip off of thefact that we selling pictures,
we selling our information, wetelling them yeah, you can
download my email and sell it tothe third party.
Yeah, like bro, like it's crazy,but alright.
So I know we've talked a lotabout snitching, but I want to

(59:34):
make sure that we lead thepeople with something Like
what's something you want thepeople to know.
Like about snitching,specifically, what's something
you want to make sure that welead the people with, so if they
don't remember nothing else,this is something they can walk
away with, I'm just sure with it, because I'm a firm believer of
you.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
See something, say something like react.
You know what I'm saying.
If you can prevent harm frombeing done to other people
around you, prevent it.
You know what I'm saying,because it can bleed over to you
.
You know.
You don't know if this persontargets them and then now they
see you in the vicinity andthey're not, now they're going
to target you.
You know I'm saying.

(01:00:13):
So if I feel like you shouldsee something, you say something
.
You know.
Protect the people around you,but think about the scenario and
make it.
Make sure you're going to makeit home to your family.
You know I'm saying, though,over exert yourself and you
can't make.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Make it back to your family, your, your loved ones I
rock with it and see to counterthat and I and I'm not trying to
make this a debate like thisthis is is just how I feel we
can another time, yeah, anothertime.
But you know how I feel aboutthe situation.
You should see, if you seesomething, say something.

(01:00:50):
That's what I encourage.
However, that is not how Iapproach things, you know,
because I do think about makingit home to my family.
So I ain't saying you trying tosay the word.
This has had nothing to do withbro over here.
This is just my personalopinion about myself.

(01:01:11):
I ain't trying to say the word.
You know what I'm saying.
The thing is I've had badthings happen to me and nobody
said anything.
They watched and stuff likethat.
And not that I want to do thesame to other people, but
sometimes stuff happens and youknow it might be your turn for

(01:01:32):
stuff to happen.
I'm not sure, but, like whenI'm walking by, it ain't my role
to intervene.
So if you see Mate Carleon,don't expect him to help.
You know I'm saying that's just, that's just me.
I'm not trying to say the world, I'm not trying to help nobody
unless I know them and if I carefor them, because that

(01:01:53):
situation could be the end of mylife and it's ironic that you
said that, because mine is alsocountering yours slightly, right
, but uh, it's only and it'sbased off what you said at the
end too.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
so, like for me personally, we, the code that we
used to when they come tosnitching.
It was created out of fear, andwhen we, when we, even when we
talk about it, most of ourresponses are I want to make
sure I get home to my family, Iwant to make sure I survive, I
want to make sure don't nobodycatch me family, I want to make
sure I survive, I want to makesure nobody catch me slipping,
and I think that that'sunfortunately the mentality that
holds us back a lot Like justblack people in general, I think

(01:02:29):
that we still in survival mode,like we haven't learned to like
step outside of.
I'm ready for action, no matterwhat.
You know what I mean.
I feel like we live in a worldwhere we're little.
We, we feel like we always gotto be on go mode.
So, like what, I think my, mydesire is to build like a
healthy family that don't evenhave to worry about shit like

(01:02:50):
that, like being in a situationwhere you even have to snitch,
because we all know that thetrue definition, the true
essence of snitching is we breakthe law together and to save
yourself, you throw me under thebus.
That's the real definition ofsnitching.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
That's what we talk about.
That's when it becomes nothonorable.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
The short version, not the whole podcast version,
just the short version.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Right, that's how we grew up.
That was the first definitionwe all learned.
We was all knicker-knocking howyou going to go tell your mama
it was all of us.
How you going to go tell yourmama.
It was all of us.
How you going to go throw myname in the pot, like it was
stuff like that.
You know what I'm saying.
We didn't egg somebody's houseand we didn't TP somebody's tree
in their front yard and youdidn't saw us and you didn't
told your people, like, come on,bro, like, come on, like that

(01:03:32):
was what we learned.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
So I would want snitching.
I think it does get a littlegray.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
You know, I'm saying after you get at that.
After that, like I said, getblurred.
Yeah, it get real fast.
Like I said, it's differentwhen it's a third party versus
somebody in your family or inyour circle.
You know, I mean the ruleschange a little bit because now
you want people to speak up, youwant to know what's going on if
people quiet.
Now you pissed that peopleain't saying nothing.
You know I'm saying so.
It's like, yeah, and I thinkthat that's the thing.
So again, just for my gym,remember that.
Like it's based off where youat your environment.

(01:04:05):
If you in the streets, if you,you got a code to live by,
something that you need tounderstand when it comes to
snitching, if you live in ahealthy environment you got two
parents at home, big old house,you know driveway, everybody got
a car you should probablyseparate yourself from that
environment because you don'tlive like that.
They.
That code don't apply to you.
You know what I mean.
So that's what I got for y'all.
Anything else y'all want to sayto the people before we get up

(01:04:25):
out of here, man?

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Just face this up.
Y'all Just be aware of what'sgoing on around you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
All right, I rocks with that.
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(01:04:53):
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