#47 - Highbrowing Indigenous Cinema: What do Natives want... realism or escapism? Guest: Salisha Old Bull - Tribal Research Specialist: The Podcast

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Aaron Brien (00:00):
Coming in clear on your end.

Shandin Pete (00:02):
Yeah. It sounds really nice.

But yeah, it's the it's the man. Oh man, I still
got it.

Do you ever set up the arm?

No, I've only had internet for like, four days.

Salisha Old Bull (00:15):
The arm is a broken arm.

Oh

arms, the broken arms. The busted arm.

Yeah, just for just for just for technical
clarification the arm hasnothing to do with the Internet.
It's simply a device to hold themicrophone.

Yep, I've never recorded a podcast in my
apartment.

I stand corrected.
Okay.

been put in hotels across this land, which I was in
last night. I just got here. Ijust got here like yes, that's
776 30

years ago.

Yeah, I leave in the morning. Yeah, I go to four
texts tomorrow.

Road. Road life.
Row add. Row Add Row. You're onthe road life. I seen your one
of your recent stories. And Iwas gonna comment about it.
Because the thing that youshowed that you were eating was
pretty high in sodium.

Oh, yeah. Big time.
That's I mean, that's a pizza

and. And a tube of Pringles. That's sodium friend.
Now you are you have youachieved 40 You're over 40 now.
Yeah, I

don't know where you're going with this.

Well, I'm concerned about your health.
That's where I'm going. Well,you can

shove your concerns in

I can only imagine the swelling in your ankles in
all that driving along withalong with the tube of Pringles
and the pepperoni pizza

I gotta get I gotta get the proper all right there.
And I think

I think even had a sprite in the picture. Was that
a sprite in the picture?

who drink Sprite?
Guys I'm not a Mormon.

Oh my God come on.
Anyway, I was concerned I typedthe response by that now. You
don't need to hear that from methe

fact that you said I typed up a response to it was
it was gonna be oh my god socrazy.

It was becoming far too medical of a response I
deleted as I know it's not

shocking that you would even think that way.

I should have sent you a link to what is it? Med
md.com

Yeah, it would be like why are my fingers
purple?

why don't my cowboy boots fit no more?

Why don't he That's dumb.

I don't know that's not dumb. Well, okay.
This is we're gonna do first Iwant you to listen to the song
because this is a unique song.
Apart from the ones we've beenlistening to that I want to talk
about this thing you justmentioned. Why don't he right?
Okay that's what he's okay.

(03:51):
Let's do it.

Yeah, yeah, I can see this is gonna be a banger of
a podcast.

Why why why?
What's what's going on?

Read up randomly mentioned Dances with Wolves
reference. You like I'm goingwith that? We're gonna go

listen to this first. Have you listened to this
and then see if you can tell.
What What's the purpose of thissong? Here we go.

(05:04):
Get a good hair. And a goodlisten to hear the beat. hear
the bells in the background.
Yeah. Bells in the backgroundsomething something rattling in
the back. Okay kind of gives youthat, like a little bit of a

(05:28):
robot. Yeah. Throw some robotmoves in there. Okay. What do
you think?

Does it have something to do with the
Warriors tradition?

You know what? I don't know. I don't know. This
comes from the same real thatI've been pulling tracks off of
for the last, I don't know 12episodes and we've had various
interpretations. This is off thesame reel.

It almost kind of sounds like a hand game song to

Yeah it does. It does. It's
definitely not. It doesn't soundlike a warden song.

No, it's not like an old dance too. It's like not
kind of has that like some ofthem like warriors homecoming
songs kind of sound Yeah, youguys are self scalped dance.
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That was a thought as well.

Yeah. It's of the same stylization.

stylization.

You're welcome.
There's,

um, I'll put a link in the show notes.
Definition to that somewhere.
stylization? I don't know. Butthere's there's a handful of the
songs on this some on thisparticular reel and I don't
know. I don't know what tothink. I wish I knew. Maybe one
day anyway. Anyway,

what made me sad.

Like I said, send up. We might see him one day.

Again, again,

oh Aragog.
Remember that when he'smemorializing the spider that
died? Like, should I saysomething? Yeah, go ahead. Oh,
era God. What

about the Big Lebowski? Who didn't do it? The
ashes and he's like, we lostDonnie. Like we did so many fine
young men that he'll 57 257Saigon. Like, what do you do?

I don't remember that part. Sounds funny.

Donnie dies and they cremate him. And they go to
the beach to throw his ashes onthe beach but they're facing the
winter. Lady gives a littletalk. Talk about donde hijacks
in Vietnam. Yeah. Donny?

Okay. I got it.
Yeah, I remember that. Now. I'veheard the the ash is blowing in
the face part. Yeah. Thatbrought brought the memory back.
Well, cool, man. That's awesome.
I love the reference. The BigLebowski I gotta watch that
again. I haven't watched it inquite some time. But um yeah, I

(08:50):
don't know man. I don't knowwhat this is. That song is

doing what we'll do. Here today.

This is what I this is what I'm doing here
today.

This is what we're doing. Why don't you bring us
together?

I brought you all together here

Chad WHAT DO WE Oh famous Miss Mrs. Bull Pete

Yeah, we've got Felicia This is joining us
because she wanted to chat aboutsomething important and you wish
to

be told her to

I suppose there's a you blasted out a movie
reference right at thebeginning. Right. Alicia did say
the show you did?

I didn't know she said the bus dinner the broker
that stuff. Oh, yeah.

So you did. You did the bus in arm which is from
what's the movie? Thunder heart.
Thunder hurt. When did thestronghold London strongholds
starring Val Kilmer and

Red Deer table and y, z

and Graham Greene and others and then eat without
knowing it. Aaron also threw inreference movie reference in the
native genre, and he said, Whydon't they right?

Yeah, yeah,

I heard when he cut himself off because he said
That's lame. Yeah, that's areference to Dances with Wolves.

Oh, I see. I know where we're going with this.

Do you know do you really don't
want Alright, so anyway, this isthe thing. There's, um, there's
this movie that apparently isand I'm quoting this article

(11:03):
that says this movie is indeeddifferent. And first, the end
part is not part of the quote.
That's me. First, there is nolasting in this movie, I broke
the quote. There is no lastingnot lasting means. There is no
lasting and second there's nosidekicks or appropriation you

(11:27):
know, what lasting is inreference to cinema in
particular, native cinema youknow, I've never heard it before
it is term lasting. So I had tolook it up. Okay, I had to look
it up. So looked it up inanother article references in

(11:47):
referencing what is it calledits first thing in lasting
writing. In Indians out ofexistence in New England this
was written in 2010 Apparentlythe phenomenon of a lasting is a
rhetorical strategy that assertsas a fact the claim that Indians

(12:07):
can never be modern got itlasting

Yeah,

how can we say that better phenomenon of
lasting is a rhetorical strategy

we don't we don't say it we just don't I don't
know

we are lasting

we are we are lasting we've lasted

well yeah, the last dragons

Bruce Lee Roy

Cooley's

baddest man of the mall show no

classic move out

to talk a movie.
Yeah, that's a movie.

What's the name of it?

This is called the last dragon is the last dragon
Yeah, I

think it's the last dragon Yeah,

my gonna get you suckers

anyway, you got the juice now shoddy

man anyway, so last thing so apparently this
movie that I'm talking about.
doesn't employ this strategy oflasting no movie. We're talking
about his prey. Prey you knowthe movie prey? Yep. out
recently.

And offshore like a year ago.

Maybe a year and a half. I don't know. You're gonna
have an off shoot of the of the12 moons ago. moons ago. Yeah.

The 13 XL. One day and

the turtle the next hill.

The that shit turtles back

here that

wolves, the wolves suckled from the conch sale of
Earth.

Coyotes on the golf course.

And brother Fox with this young

man keep going

nursed upon the bosom of Mother Earth. In new
moons, okay, as it is conceptionto birth.

You're getting in there. Okay. all in there.

Hey, why do you go medicine woman you

remember? Oh, with the big old drum? Yeah.
Grandmother drum. Yeah.

I was thinking of indigenous work right?

digitus to work?
Oh, yeah. I don't know who thatgirl was or where she was up.

Why'd you go?

Anyway? Oh, okay, back to this. So yeah,
apparently this movie doesn'temploy the idea of lasting
meaning that can never bemodern. There's no indigenous
sidekicks, but I don't know.
You. You've all watched thisshow. Pray. You know, I got a
course. I think any nativewatching a show about Indians is

(15:45):
going to have just naturally aharsh critique, I think, maybe?
I don't know. You tell me. Whatwas your What was your sort of
initial impressions of, of this?
Show? solutia.

I have to go first. Okay.

Well, you're the guests. And you wanted to talk
about this. So we're gonna,

I thought it was cool that there was a girl
that killed the predator. Andthat she was the warrior. And
that was my first generalimpression. I thought it was I

(16:36):
thought it was just cool that itwas a girl that was the main
person because I can't evenreally think of anything except
for going back to the one thatAaron mentioned was stand with a
fist. But she was she wasadopted. She was adopted, you

(16:57):
know, so

stands with the fist. type or whatever. Yeah.
Okay. All right. All right. Allright. What's

the word?
What's the word antagonists? Themain characters? Yeah. That was
cool. That was her. Okay. Yeah.
Well, it was also cool to seepeople or to recognize people. I
think that's becoming morecommon

actors or actresses

do Yeah. Just like people that you see. Like,
maybe you've seen them beforethey were in that movie, or
maybe you see them around. Andit's so funny, like, celebrities
that are, are native orindigenous or whatever. It's not
quite the same as seeingsomebody who is not. It's like,

(17:53):
still don't bother them orsomething. I don't know.

Yeah. Yeah. The kind of change too and enough
you notice the manner of theirdress, the more popular they
become. The more sort ofeccentric their dress. The way
they dress is. I don't know ifyou noticed that. I've noticed
that.

I can't take the hats anymore. The hats

do you mean? What do you mean?

You know what I mean? That you were gonna finish
that because you're saying

Where's your hat? Me

might be my beard fell

yeah he faded out of that.

I don't have it.
It's becoming it's it'sreplacing the ribbon skirt. And
everyone knows how I feel aboutthat.

Well, you had this the last time

we've had this conversation.

Yeah. Anyway, we get you back on track. I'm gonna
get back to this break because

I want to know what Aaron thinks. And I'm gonna
tell you what I think. Well, no,Aaron things so salacious. Oh,
that's cool. It's got a femaleas the antagonist main
character. Kills kills thepredator. Nobody else could do
it. She did it. Okay, go over.
Danny. Glover. No, but he's notthat he's one of the female

(19:27):
Yeah, he Yeah. I mean, ArnoldSchwarzenegger. Arnold
Schwarzenegger killed well,nobody could do it in the film
in the present film prey.

Get the do the chopper.

Ryan get to the

champ hurry. Do it now who killed me I'm here

do it now.

What's the matter Mac? The CIA got you push it to
which pencils Yeah, man. Yeah,

those Yeah, that's the classic quote. Okay,

so, okay tell you something. I watched him. I
guess you better watch because Iwatched it

from your memory.

When I watched it.
I went in thinking the samething say leashes thinking like,
Hey, Mikey, this is pretty coolman. It's a native chicken.
She's from Montana like herbloodline. I don't think she
grew up here. I'm not sure.
Okay, it's from Fort Peck.

None. Yeah.

And, and I had the same thoughts. I was like, This
is awesome. Finally, it's likesomething that's not cheesy.
It's just gonna be predatorshit. Right? So this is how I
know the movie was good. Okay,it's because I forgot that she
was native while I was watchingthe movie. Huh? Like it was just

(20:53):
a good movie, you know? Yeah, Ijust, I'm a fan of the predators
since I was a little kid, man. Ilove it. You know, I liked the
references to the Danny Gloverpistols. I liked. I mean,
everything. Like I liked thepredator thing. I wasn't a big
fan of predator versus alien. Soto me, to me, when I was

(21:15):
watching it. It was it's thebest Predator movie ever made.
Wow. Okay. Yeah, that's what Ithink. And for me, it has
nothing to do with the ladybeing Native. It had to do with
the fact that the movie was doneso well. And she was represented
so well. That you didn't have tothink about her character. So

(21:41):
when you watch the nativemovies, you're right, we
critique a lot. Yeah. But it'sit's really easy to do because
they give you so much ammunitionto do it. Right. Oh, yeah. Oh,
yeah. And so watching prey, youkind of forget, you just forget
and you just enjoy it. So that'show I knew it was something a
little different. I was like,Hey, man, this is cool. Then

(22:04):
when it got done, you're like,this was just a good movie. Who
had a female native lead, and itrocked the jukebox man. It was
cool. It was cool. I liked it.
Okay, do you get what I mean,though, like I do. I do. Or the
whole time were you going? Oh mygod. She's the native woman. Oh
my god. She's so resilient. Ohmy god. What are you doing that

(22:26):
the whole time? Like I don't? Ifeel like I'm talking to I feel
like I feel like I just shit onsomeone's birthday. And I don't
like the way you guys are makingme feel right.

Now listen, what what happened? happened? Where'd
you go? Down?

There was no reaction to anything.

Oh, well, no, I didn't know you're finished. You
don't give that inflection pointwhere you like, and that's all I
got to say.

You are not doing it. You are not a hey, you were
not active listening.

I was active listening. I know. I took some
notes.

You know you were doing you were doing things
world.

The DJ thing from Wayne's World? What's

Mr. Scream? Do you know what I'm talking about? Ah
ha ha ha ha let's go into Mr.
Screen. Wayne was like Wayne islike I don't you're not
listening to a word I'm sayingwith the microphone that's what

(23:41):
you did to me. Just no, no, I

was listening to

your eight tracks ready and doing a show notes.

I do. My kid my kid busted me doing that.
Because I'll do all lose trackof what's going on, you know? Uh
huh. Oh, that's cool. Oh,really? Uh huh. That's cool. You
know, you get into this kind ofthis pattern. You kind of know
what he's saying but not really.
Then he said and then he saidAre you even listening?

He busted you look at that scarf. She sold it. Is
that a sticker or an airfreshener? Sticker? Which
American

fridge magnet guards refrigerator magnet

guards Algor from Aurora Garth

Thank you. I was like if you're gonna spew
spew in this

tape give you a no street guarantee. You're gonna
spew spewing this little tinycup folded up? That's a movie we
should talk about. Oh, weshould. Okay. So I want you to
think about what you're askingus to do right now. Oh,

no, no, no. I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking
about it.

Or do you want to do your, your, your rent before?
I

know I want to say about it because I'm, I want to
I want to know,

we pride ourselves.
We pride ourselves on thispodcast and being cheese balls,
right? Yeah, we don't I wouldsay we do like, like, and I
think people who listen to ourpodcasts are like, I love the
way you guys talk to each other.
Yeah, I like that. It's just tworazors. Yeah. Acting like,

(25:34):
chaos, right? Or whatever.
Whatever it is. They say once ina while we say something
articulate. And that's cool,right? Yeah. And I just want you
to be aware that you're askingthree native people. Okay, to
talk about a movie a nativemovie. You you're straddling the
fence, buddy. You're straddlingthe fence. You're borderline

(26:00):
colonizer. You're playing withfire.

You're borderline settler.

Would you yourself?
Shawn Dean Pete. From agencyroad in the Jaco Valley. Would
you listen to a podcast? Wherethree natives are talking about
a movie? A native movie?

No. I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do

it. But we're gonna do it today.

Well, this is the thing, man, because

I don't know. I'm just I just don't I gotta be
aware what my thinking is.

I got some issues.
I got some issues with themovie. They're small. But they
seem they're small, but theyseem like they could have been
addressed with the type ofconsultation that they had on
the movie. And maybe I justdon't know, maybe maybe I'm just

(27:00):
blind or unaware of some of thethings. Here's the first one. I
won't tell you the first one.
All right. It's small andinsignificant, but anyone who's
sort of aware of I don't knowthe technology of that time.
might agree. So the weapon shehas right? It's this little

(27:25):
hatchet. Right? Yeah. Youremember that? Oh, it pans to
various scenes of her using thishatchet. She uses the hatchet to
just chopping up some roots orsomething on a on a on a on a
rock. So she's got the hatchetin her hand and she's chopping
up some roots. Yeah, on a rock.
Now, what do you think thishatchet is made of? Rock? It's

(27:48):
made of another kind of rockshirt. Obsidian. Who knows? But
it has the look of that. NextYeah. And you know, you know
obsidian. You don't shirt.

It has a it has a signature. Yeah. Trace obsidian.

It's sharp. But it's brittle. Sharp but brittle.
Correct. Yes. Well

brittle. It's brittle. But it's it's not as
tough as chert

Okay, yeah. So if it was shirt, bit brittle, but
yeah.

Basalt is a lot stronger.

Sure, sure. Sure.
Sure, sure. Okay, so she'scutting this route, and then
goes another scene where she'sdigging up a route with this
hatchet. So, digging the route,then it goes to this next scene
where she's going to try to hunta deer with the hatchet. Like
she's gonna wing it at a deerand kill the deer with this

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little hatchet now tell me am Ioff Am I off base yet? Does this
sound like the grounded in theRIA in reality? I don't know.
All right.

Stop stop.

I'm not done. I got the punchline. Okay, good.
Okay, I'm stopping no no

good. No you go ahead and finish this is

the last one.
Really? Not all those I canoverlook I'm so yeah, whatever.
Yeah, just attached to thehatchet and she made me She
don't have a digging stick. Andeven in the movie, it kind of
references that because her momor her aunt or whoever sitting
there is watching her cut upthis route with the hatchet. And
she's looking at her and shehands her a knife. She's like,
come on Quick, quick cuttingthings with this little hatchet

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use the knife is a knife. Sherefused to use a knife. So she
used the hatchet, whatever. So Iget it up to that point. Then it
goes to another scene where shesharpening the head hatchet. Now
this is the part that botheredme. Now how do you think she's
sharpening that hatchet?

With Iraq?
Yeah, metal.

No, this is a shirt and or obsidian hatchet.
And she's sharpening it as if itwas a metal hatchet, you know,
like a grinding stone is that itonly is maybe just me. Is it
just me but that seems likesomebody sitting there saying

(30:35):
that we don't sharpen obsidianlike that.

Okay, I'll give you that. Okay, is it more? That's
crazy. I gave you that. I mean,Sean Bean. It's like, come on,
lady. Are you? What are youdoing here? Or is it more crazy?
That it's a movie about aliens?
I don't know. I mean, I don'tknow.

Okay, all right.
That's

the part. That's the point. You're like, you
know, I can't take this guyflying in the gods flying in
with fishnet stockings anddreads. That's fine. I'm good
with that.

Well, there's no alien consultants to say, no,
that's not what we don't wearfishnet stockings. But there is
there is

also no native.
There's also no nativeconsultants that have lived in a
world where they're fightingaliens flying down. I mean, they
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. She has animaginary weird rope attached to
her. Her hatchet and you'reattacking that she's sharpening
this

that's another thing is the rope.

Yeah, lives the dog is a whole thing. The dog lives.
Argument your argument. I justcan't she doesn't have a Rudiger
or a mortar and pestle. That isefficient ground stone.

Where's her?

Well, it bothered me. It bothered me and I
couldn't look past it. Okay, I'msorry. I mean, I get the film. I
get the theatrical content. It'sgreat. Yeah, I was a good movie.
I liked it. I enjoyed the factthat it was a non standard role.
You know, usually it's the guyyou know, the hero dude, but not

(32:44):
in this case. Those are allcool, but couldn't look past the
fact that Well, that's one thingI couldn't look past. But you
know, I could put that awayeasy. And the other thing was
she makes a rope out of likepine tree bark. Oh, I know Tim
Ryan. But I don't think I don'tthink that's the adequate

(33:10):
material. Strength wise. Forrope that's going to pull you
out of a Mudbug I just don't seethat. I just can't and it's hard
to look past those are two minorminor annoyances but here's the
biggest one and this is the wowokay, this is another one.
Here's another one. Unless youwant to say more you want about

(33:31):
aliens no good the dog anymoreabout the dog? No Alicia the dog
or the alien got anything toadd?

Watching Aaron

kind of angry

and did this like diabolical lab

that's all you're worried about
anti gravity technology thatyou're not worried about that?

Is he's like he's like that's not an accurate form
of hatchet toolmaking in themiddle archaic times. Nor is it
accurate that this this went tothe future. Yeah, then went back
to the past. Then what somewhereand got a black powder pistol

(34:31):
and then went back to the futurepast or whatever it is. Where
this girl lives and then shegives the pistol or they she
ends up with the pistol

got the pistol? Pistol from the guy.
Yeah. That was eating the orangemedicine. The orange medicine.
Yeah. And made her see through.
She gets the pistol and the partthat I don't get is The rest of
the story is played out inledger art.

Or the MDN.

Yeah, well, no, because then that pistol
appears later in the 80s withDanny Glover. Did it make you
but they give him back?

The Oh give him back the pistol

was even mean like they didn't like it
yeah, but then that whole thinglike how did they even get the
pistol? How did they get in?
That's the whole the ledger theledger art.

Okay, I'm okay. I'm okay with the pistol. I'm okay
with invisible invisible plantmedicine. And oh, yeah, that was
you show me an inaccurateprojectile point. Oh, cancel
your

Did you know Did you make it shirt arrowhead?
Parents?

Know we refer to them as projectiles? One it's
not

it's not necessarily to compare with the
other fantasy. facetious Okay,all right. All right.
facetiousness aside, you knowyou're right. Oh, this is 2023.
All right. Well, and where haveyou? This was 2022. And we still
have actors, indigenous actorsmind you, which is what they

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ought to be. But they're stillwearing fake feathers.

Well, that's because it's illegal, man. They
can't wear what can film

it's illegal. You know?

Where are they gonna get where they gonna get
all these movie? eagle feathers?
I don't think they're given outEagle permits to Universal
Studio. I don't I don't know.
Well, I could be wrong. I'mwaiting. area. Yes.

That's this is another small annoyance that it
doesn't mean nothing. But yeah,you know, everyone, everyone.
When they look at a native film,and they see the feather that's
all stiff and obviously painted.
Obviously, Turkey. Yeah, we'vegotten accustomed to that. But
it just looks it just looks bad.

Are you are you applying the Edward Curtis
phenomenon to movie and savethem to be native? They have to
look a certain way. Maybe whichtribe is she? Would if she's
Abenaki? What if she's thereagainst it? against it, or Nair

(37:57):
gets it? Would if wouldn'tchoose? Stockbridge? Munsee Max
tucket Peak Watts

dinner Hi real feathers. They would be feathers
of their own and probably havetoo much feather. We're like
brothers from like, Mr. Jest orsomething?

Yeah. Yeah.
spangled gluud right to the tip.
Maybe maybe like Hollywood.

Maybe Hollywood has some weird like, seeing because
it's a protected bird still,that they don't want to
perpetuate something, you know?
Right? I don't know. Yeah. Butalso, if we're going back that
far, let's just let's just saythis this movies set in like the
15 1400.

No, no, it was just not that far back because
there's French fur traders inthere. Killing buffalo. So it's
got to be at 16 It's got to be1800s. It's got to be

I don't know that she's not making a friggin
hatchet out obsidian.

Well, maybe it wasn't obsidian.

We're well into the proto type with a proto proto
contact. She's got metal. Okay.

Well, I have to watch it again. I had to watch
it again see, because it appearsto be stone.

We should have did a watch party where we watch it
and talk like Mystery ScienceTheater five. We should have did
that. Anyway, it's too long. I'madd it wouldn't I

know it's almost two hours long. Okay, let me get
to a big okay. Oh, good.

Do the big reveal.

I know it's it's another gripe of mine. Now. One
of the one of the fun one of theone of the plots of the whole
film is not not only the alien,but also that this young girl is
trying to achieve This deed istrying to achieve this deed. And

(40:03):
I can't remember what they callit in the film. But they
remember she was trying to huntsomething that hunted them. And
this is early in the film. Andthey make it out like this. This
mountain lion is like, ispreying on humans. So it's like
getting people from camp anddragging them off into the woods

(40:24):
and eating them. That that'skind of far fetched and so so
that so the response of the filmis okay, in order to become the
word chief, you go off and killa lion bearing it back, then you
become warchief. And thatbothers me. And it didn't seem

(40:47):
it didn't seem right. It didn'tseem accurate. Now, now you can
say well, you know this aboutthis, the fishnet stopping Linna
anti gravity spacecrafts, Lenovodevice. Let's

really look. Okay.
Okay, I get what you're saying.
It seems far fetched. Okay. Sothey missed. They missed the
mark on some consultation. Yeah.
Yeah. What's the movie about?
It's about a chick, killing somepredators, man. Yeah. Yeah. It's
not Geo. There's no guy fromCopenhagen gonna narrate over

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this.

Okay, all right.

I allow, I'm not, but also I'm not super
sensitive. I'm also like, I justliked the fact that it's kind of
a far fetched idea, because Ithink is delivered as a far
fetched idea. I think if themovie was presented in a way
where it was supposed to beaccurate, and I'm gonna get
flack for this on the nextepisode, okay. But that's, that,

(42:04):
to me. That's what smoke signalsis supposed to be this
theatrical comedic version ofthe reservation. And the truth
is, I don't like the movie, man.
Okay. I don't like it. I don'tlike what it does. I don't like
what it says, I, for sure. Irespect the fact that it's all
Indian cast. And, yeah, that itwas paramount. But when, but if

(42:26):
it was presented as somethingchaotic or kind of inaccurate, I
did cool with it. But it waskind of portrayed as like, it's
finally native people tellingtheir story, you know, in a
comedic way. And I was like,Yeah, I don't know, man. I had
issues with it. Okay, we look atmovie like thunder heart. Yeah.

(42:50):
Thunder heart, to me is one ofthe best native movies ever
made. Because I think it wasdesigned to almost be like this
crime Western mystery thing. Itwas presented to be that way. So
it has some cheese in it. Yeah.
Because that's how it'sdesigned. And it's presented

(43:11):
that way for you. Does that makesense? What I'm saying?

Yeah, it does.

So to me that prey was clearly presented to be this
sci fi drama, like thisadventure film. Yeah. So I
didn't go into it. Me personallygoing into it looking for
accuracies and what didn'tthey're looking for badass
adventure, man.

You got it, man.
And I got it. Oh

my god, I love I liked the movie a lot. I think
it's the best Predator movieever made. I really do. And I'm
a fan of predator. I like topredator. Well, I'll say Alicia,
we're close in age. So like thatfirst Predator movie was like
people loved it. Loved it. Itwas

into it. I wasn't into it until this one
came. And then I was into it.
And then I had to go back andwatch them all each one each one
the predator got more advancedin each one. But there were like
some things that were the samelike that that the net tool how
it like he throws them that andit like slices everything. Like

(44:22):
that happened every time everytime it was like you knew and
then that came out or like oh,he's gotten that die

(44:44):
Yeah, but he had been that sincethe 1800s. So good at it.

In advance.

We saw this.
We saw the leg cut Oh tree stumpin prayer. Okay

1800s Who knows who's ever tried to remove a
tree stump from from the yard orfield? Little did you know all
you needed was? Oh my gosh.

Them roots run deep. They do.

It was interesting how they had him
tearing out basketball ones allthe time

during basketball.
Oh, yeah, yeah. Ripping thebackbone out. Yeah. Yeah. And
he'd stare at him all strangely.
Remember. He never seen itbefore. Yeah. Wow, look at that
one.

Yeah

try it again.
Clear, play the throat. Okay,go. Go.

I can't do it. You

can do it. I can do come on. One that kind of
little gargle

gargle thing I'm trying to do.

You're gonna sound like the garage

I think this is my, because I heard a lot of
critiques about this movie. AndI'm saying it's not as good as
the original. But I think that'sbecause people aren't nostalgic.
So they're not looking at thefilm as the film. It was a cool
idea, man. It was. It was ayoung chick that was killing
predator. Yeah, that is right.
Yeah. But the first one forsure. It's the most quotable of

(46:38):
all the predators.

Yeah. Yeah. It's gotta be

happy so fun. I'm gonna have me some fun. I'm
gonna have me some fun overthat.

Remember that last cut is coming up that hill. Oh,
yeah, yeah, yeah, no

remember the

Oh yeah. Really?
believes that his name on thereBilly.

It didn't egos egos believe in freedom. No, man.

That a no man

I thought you were in a freedom. Daddy. No, man

that was 1987 Man.

Dang, man. That's that's that's. That's life after
Commando. So far.

Yeah. Our man.

Commando. Oh my god. Remember he goes into the
army surplus store and still.

That's like a dream. Oh, I want a bazooka. I
want a

grenade launcher was my jam. He goes in there and
paints his face. Oh, yeah. putsit on his arms and then on the
bicep.

Yes, sweaty, sweaty bicep.

He's popping off man.

blow off some steam Bennett. Remember that?

He has a cigar when he says that. Yeah, some steam
minute, man. Then he finishes itoff with Terminator. One classic
white. suit. He was unstoppable.
I can barely speak English. Theguy could barely speak English.

(48:33):
He was dude. He went from Conan.
He went for freakin Conan toTerminator. Make bro.

Okay, all right.
Let's. Yeah, okay. This is thething. All right. This is what I
want to do next. Because yeah, Iagree. Man Schwarzenegger films
late 80s. Early 90s. That wasit. Man. You can't beat it. You
know, I showed some first yearstudents a reference to Back to
the Future and none of them knewit. Maybe one had seen the

(49:08):
movie. That's how far off thisgeneration is from these
classics. You know? Why? You'rea slacker just like your old
man.

Hello, McFly.

Well, here's the thing. Here's 10 I'm gonna read
you 10 indigenous films you needto watch it's a list off the
internet from an undisclosedsite. Number one, and tell me
your rating. What should we dofive stars. Four stars. Three.

Let's do 1233 being the best.

Well, there's 10 of them. I think

there's still no we're just gonna do. We're not
gonna You named a movie me andsay Leisha say it's a three.
It's a two. Okay, I gotta letour listeners do their own top
10

You're on top 10 Yeah, Texas or email us. You're
on top 10 Here we go. Numberone, Powell highway 1989. Power
highway. Three. Right. What'sthe one is the best three three

is the best. Oh three. What? three threes than
one bro.

This is not a podium. This is not a pulley
three

thumbs up.

Oh three thumbs.

Nobody ever gets excited for one thumb up.

Where do you get? Where do you get a third
thumb? Where?

Don't ask questions. You don't want to
know the answers. It's becausefives too much. 10s Ridiculous.
Let's just do 123

Okay. 1233 being good. It's not a podium. It's
not a podium. It's thumbs up.
Okay, Powell highway. Three,ma'am. Alicia Powell highway.

I don't know.
Three. I guess.

You guess

them. That was?
That sounds

like you're just selling out?

Yeah, I'm like the two. You're the two. I think
it was I don't know what therest of them are.

Oh, you can read any of them? 1123 Yeah, any?
Good. Day two. What's the what'sthe codable from power highway?

Let's go to Billings and Jason white women

say that though?
But I know what you're saying.
More derogatory. No, I'm justkidding. solutia What's your
quotable from?

I can't remember but I just remember him
looking at this car. Like it's ahorse to be part running in the
dust. Oh, yeah. Yeah,

to me Paulo highway has more of those kinds of
scenes than quotable things.
It's like these weird littlescenes like remember when he
signed that song in the river?

Oh, yeah. singing the song in the river naked

because of mine, and he tries to catch the song
so to begin with that's a goodone. But

my buddy read well, yeah. My favorite scene is
that when he goes to visit hisaunt is that his aunt? I think
in the scene is perfect becausethat because the house rundown
it's all them. You know? It'snot it's not this. Well, it's
studio. It's dim. You know? Itsmells like cigarettes. Oh,

(52:47):
yeah. She's sitting on one ofthose chairs that kind of has
that plastic vinyl on it. Youknow it's kind of cracked. Yeah,
that's that's my best scene.
Everyone's coming here lookingfor some good old fashioned
inner wisdom. got noneit's a good okay, that's that's

(53:13):
movie one of 10 one of 10 Let'sget through this

list. We might not make they get

this easy. Yeah, this isn't this is fun. This is
the easy one. I think a quickrating will come out on this
one. Dances with Wolves 1990Dances with Wolves.

Who I'll give it to who?

Okay, yeah, I mean, but at the time put
yourself in 1990 What would youthree it's a three three. What
do you read it now though?
Honestly. Two one okay.

Yeah, I still see the team

okay 2321 Yeah, what what's your issue with it?
Aaron was the deal

No, I just saw see let's just chat.

What was

that need to be Shawn Dean close your door

your door to knowledge there's a quote from
that. There's Oh, no. Yeah,

yeah. Don't hurt my new horse. Yeah, we

already had a few of those. Come on. Don't hurt.

Go watch. Yeah. Oh,

oh, yeah. Yeah.

Put that in your book.

Why don't we write the most underrated comedic
scene in In, in dances, wolves,it's not it's not supposed to be
this funny, but if you watch theguy's face, man, it makes you
laugh is when he's trying toscare him with that stick. Yes,

(55:12):
it's like it's a snake. KevinCostner is like looking right at
himI laugh so hard when I see that.
I don't think it's meant to bethat funny, but she makes me
laugh is

a good one. It is good. Yeah. Okay, any other
quotables on that one? That Imean, you have to watch it if
you haven't watched that one.
You should watch it right

yeah, when you didn't want it anymore. I said,
you don't want it anymore. Youleft it out there.

I just my pants, and there's nothing nobody can
do about it

I just piss my pants, and there's nothing
anyone can do about it. That'sawesome.

Okay, we're gonna go to the next one. This one's a
bit now. This is the top 10 froma website so the last of them.
The Last of the Mohicans. 1992 Idon't know. cinematically

it's I'll give it I'll give it a two but I
honestly was never that into it.
Yes. Song drove me fuckingcrazy. What song was it? That
epic kind of balancing they playor whatever. And then the girl
jumps off the cliff and then theguys like I get or another guy
gets thrown off the clip. Thegirl can dang it

(57:17):
not a big fan, man. Okay, thebig fool.

Well, wait, this.
Is this the sound? Wait, let meshow you real quick. Well, I
think so.

She's on it's ringtone.

It's on my ringtone. No. Listen, this one
you can hear it?

Oh, damn. That's intense. Yeah, yeah. There it
is. Oh, started looking around.

Yeah. You got your black powder. Oh.

Oh, my God. This run, run, run run

is that the song you're talking about? Yeah.
Okay, anyway.

I'm gonna give it a one. I don't think I've
ever had the patience to watchit. Okay. I looked at the
picture. And I'm like, I can'twatch

that. Yeah, yeah, this falls in the same category
to me as Robin Hood. And like,like those kinds of movies were
just too long, man. They're toolong. And it's like, I really
wasn't that I actually don'teven think of it as an Indian
movie. When you say that. Inever would have thought I
wouldn't have put it in there.
Go.

Yeah, wouldn't either. Yeah, yeah. There's no
quotables from that. There's notone I can think of. I can't or
not one, not one. So the jig isnot to do the jig.

It's a big change driven movie.

Jake driven. Okay, here's one we already talked
about. smoke signals. 1998.
smoke signals. You mentioned it,right. Yeah, I mean,

I should correct myself. I'm gonna give it a two
just because it is native.
Everything Corsairs the wholething, but it's not my personal
style of okay, I'm just notintuitive. But definitely
codable Yeah, Audible, but themost epic scene in the movie is
the wig dude when he cuts hishair off. Did that like?

Yes, exactly. Come on. Let's get some who can say
some reality to consultants.
Some of these things? Yeah.
Okay, so Alicia smokes 9098

I know probably two to two. I didn't
know it was the kind ofcoordinate and I just remember
when I came out. I was like, Idon't know anybody who talks
like that. Anybody I

Aaron Brien (01:00:02):
don't know anyone who drives the car backwards.

Salisha Old Bull (01:00:07):
Every time though, you have to coat the day
is only 50 pieces of fabric.

And she took two

or two. Yeah.

Probably one of the most quotable quoted parts of
that movie is when he, when hewas doing like his monologue
about the Jesuits playing themin basketball.

Shandin Pete (01:00:30):
All right, yeah.

I've actually heard that like, I've kind of heard
that like in like, you know,people it's like, it's like a
thing people like to do butprobably the she toward and two
thing is probably the mostquotable deal.

Yeah, I think so.
Okay. All right. All right. Now,this next one, I don't know if I
know how to pronounce it. And Idon't I've never seen it before.
I'm going to put it. I'm goingto throw it in the chat. And see
if somebody can pronounce it.

fast runner.
Oh, fast runner.

Okay, yeah, these are just wicked. I love these.
It's a good film. It's it's it'sit's a serious movie though.

Okay. It's not for the faint of heart.

It's a serious it's drawn comedy drama. dark comedy.
There's Well, I'm really funnypart on there, though.

You don't want to say it sounds. I think I've seen
this now that you're mentioningit. I think like in the Arctic.
Yeah. Oh, I know the sceneyou're talking about. You just
have to watch it. I think I'veseen we

would see them

sleeping. They're sleeping. Yeah. Yeah.

chases? Yeah. Okay.
Go next lightweight, so I guess

I'll give it a three. Okay, so I've seen it.
You give it a three. It's good.
I don't seen it. I didn't seeit. Now this one's a strange
one. I don't I don't even thisshouldn't even be on the list. I
don't think Well, I don't know.
When talkers.

Oh, that's a garbage movie.

Isn't that like a really old? Oh, no, not

when walkers, not the old wind walkers. This is
wind talkers. It's Nicolas Cage,Nicolas Cage. Beach, Navajo Code
Talkers World War.

It's a horrible movie. Even when they're
shooting the the battleships orshooting onto the shore? It's
like a whole different. It'slike stock footage. Yeah. It's
like not even it's I don't likethe movie. I get a one. I don't
know any quotes out of it otherthan when they're trying to come
up with the name.

That's not the one. That's my that's not the
one with the emo it would do myflag, is it? No.

No, that one's called IRA, isn't it?

No, it is. One.
Yeah.

The same guy?
Well, this is

about the the code talkers based on the story of
the Navajo Code Talkers duringWorld War Two.

Well, that's super inaccurate.

Yeah. I don't know if it goes to the Iwo Jima

thing. Is it the guy that does that he raises
the flag?

I don't think this is. Yeah. No.

Movie on the movie? No,

I don't think so.
No,

no, it's about the targets. Yeah. It

was about the Navajo code talkers. South
Pacific. Yeah,

it's like it's like a one. But it's, it's good
for the talkers, the codetalkers.

Okay, they could have done a better job. I think,
like, I

don't have Nicolas Cage.

Or why did you have to have Nicolas Cage if
it's supposed to be about thecode talkers like shouldn't the
code talkers be? Yes. Only wasNicolas Cage one of the code

talkers.

No. Okay. Let's move on. It's a garbage.

He talks about numbers and another movie.

Yeah, you find some national treasures do okay.
Here's the next one. And then,oh, the business of fancy
dancing 2002. The business offancy dancing.

It's a two. It's that same except it's a Corsairs
movie, I think. Yeah. Yeah,

I think so.
Sherman Alexie? Yeah. For hisbook. I don't know this

one. I didn't know it was a movie it

didn't like, homosexual guy.

Let's see interested in one let's see,
when a successful spoken Indianpoet returns to his Native
American reservation for a fee.
Enrile he grapples with hisplace in the community and
reconnects with an old friend.

That's finished it.
Why didn't you finish it?

I felt it was getting offensive, so I thought
I'd better stop.

Anyway, I don't know. I think that's it. Okay. I
give I give it a two it was it'sa decent film. I only watched it
one time.

How have you seen

every movie? Yeah, no, this is probably more
astounding. The new thing. Idon't remember it. I don't
remember it. No, quote.

I never seen it. Yeah. Okay, here we go.

Let's get this move on. Bury My Heart at
Wounded Knee. 2007. This even

beach.

It's like a Western. Oh, wage. Oh, yeah. And
the chief is the guy from StarTrek. No.

Yeah. Yep. And they have it's really about Charles
Charles Eastman. It's aboutCharles Eastman. Dark doctor,
the doctor. It's not that it'snot great, but it's a two. I
give it a two. Okay, this is ahorrible list. I'm gonna do a

really horrible list. It is all you need to do.

But keep going. I wonder if

we're gonna get to the end of this one. This one I
have never seen it. The song orsongs my brothers taught me.
Never heard of it. Never heardof it.

Never. Like number one. Is this number one.
No. And

this is just going through 10 that you ought to
watch. I was like it's gettingworse is let's see set on the
Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.
This coming of age film delvesinto the bond between the Lakota
Sioux brother and sister as theyface the challenges of their
surroundings.

Never heard of it next heard of it next.

Okay, Wind River.
2017. Wind River. All right.
Rookie FBI agent teamed up withgame tracker.

I liked the part at the end or when he paints his
face in his in his backyard. Andthat guy comes up and he's like,
Why the hell are you? Why'd youpinch your face like that is? I
don't know. I thought it waslike the right thing to do or
something. He says somethingfunny. It's a tube. It's more of
a crime kind of Yeah, I'm

you know, I don't remember it. I don't remember it
well enough to even.

Yeah, talking to you guys. Is top fives ready,
though? Because this is garbage.

Next is that's it that we went through? 10 That's

horrible. shitless

This is on? Should I tell you where it comes from?
Glad to know. This comes frompowerhouse.com I knew you knew.
Knew it. Yeah. There's probablybetter top 10 lists. I'm sure

about this. Stop the recording. Let's do a couple
minute break and make our list.

I'm gonna make them a list. Okay, I'm gonna
pause pause the recording comeback positive.

I've never thought of me neither. I'm not in this
setting. You know?

I'm gonna dig deep. I can only come up with
three.

I'm gonna smoke your ass.

Well, let me think a bit longer. But this? Well,
you will okay. No. I probablythink of something while we're
chatting. Okay, let's go throughthis. Top five. Top five. Not
not in any particular order.
Yep. And what I want you to dois tell me why. Tell me why.
Okay, top five and one. Whowants to go first?

Let's just do one each right here. What do you
saw? Chandi. Yeah, Lisa. Okay.

The one on my list. It I don't know. Yeah,
it's kind of a native movie.
Little Big Man.

Little 50 years ago, 50 years ago this year.

That's comedy.
Yeah, I said native though isn'ta native film

been adopted native and there's lots of
those.

Yeah. And you can't beat the comedy of Chief
Dan George net. I would

say it's a native film. One of the most quotable
lines in all of Indian Countryis you can sleep in my Lodge.

I think it captures Indian humors what I
think yeah, just kind of ourhumor. Or sort of morbid. Yeah.
Weird. Humor that people don'tquite get sent. Oh

man alive can match them on a horse.

It's kind of offensive and funny. Growing
gyms

aren't a handsome was engines areas. No man can
match them on a horse.

Am I still among the living? Yes. Okay, go ahead.
Whoever is next? I told youmine. And why go?

That was mine.
I'll do my next one. Okay, mynext one. Next one. My next one
is tender heart.

Ooh, yes. Okay.
He's in why he's in the can.
He's in the can

thresholds country heart

tender heart is on my list. And one of the best
lines is and he's, he's wearingwhat are those shoes he's
wearing? Oh, yeah, whatevershoes and they're a little bit
too snug, but he likes somecool. And he's like, he's got 15

(01:11:43):
cents or some little ones. Yeah,

yeah. And the arms gonna be the bus that are

Yeah.

I liked that movie a lot, man. Yeah, I do. I think
it's I think it's because it'sit's a little dramatic and
exaggerated. But I think that'swhat it was designed for. Yeah,
I don't think it was designed tobe like a documentary. It was it
was designed to kind of be anexaggeration of the time, which
is reflecting that seventh, the1970s on the Pinery. Dresden,

(01:12:17):
like, in a weird way. It's afantasy. It's kind of this
fantasy adventure. Like, wherethey overcome the bad guy, you
know? And they convert the guywho works for the bad guy and he
becomes part of them. You knowwhat I mean? It's it's cool,
dude. It's got some it's gotsome it's got John. John should
out. What?

Yeah, go? Yeah. Is Yeah, he's in the can. You had
yourself vision? A man withvision. One with the Rolex and a
brand new pair of shoes.

You run with the ancestors that the need
it's good. When you know whatPaulo is like, it reminds me of
those early like the 80s. Andlike, the brush arbors. And
like, yeah, I always remember tome, I think fancy dancing is

(01:13:18):
very different now. But in thatmovie, you got those?

Yeah, moves. Yeah.

Yeah. No. Yeah.

That was that was on my list, too. Yeah,

it's on my list.
So. Yeah.

So we're Yeah, we're aligning here. Okay,
Aaron, your turn. Go.

Man dance me outside. Yep, dance. To dance me
outside man.

Why Good shit.
Why?

Well actually think about think about this. I just
thought about it. For one, itshows you for us native people.
It shows us a whole differentplace that we don't know about
which is eastern Canada. Oh,yeah. And yeah, and it still
there's things we can relate to.
And then how many Native peopledid you know growing up there
was a crew and there was alwaysone metalhead. Remember that?

(01:14:10):
Like? Yeah, there was a metalhead in there. And you're like a
native Metal Head. And I'm like,no other. No other native film
to me has a native Metal Head.
And all of us know about thedate of metal head. Yeah, this
Yeah. With his hair out and thenand then like, and then not to
follow trends, but the whole MMIW thing. It's got some of that

(01:14:32):
in there, man. Yeah, yeah. It'salso got the relative that
leaves the rest goes to the bigcity and kind of thinks she's
bougie Yeah, man. She wants tobe Reza again, right. Like, can
you do that story's been writtenman. You know? I remember the
part where the lady the old ladylists the cigarette thing. When
it comes out all them cigarettescome out.

I don't remember that. Well, remember watching
her maybe once or twice do IGotta watch it again. I guess
what? Sorry. I remember thatpart. Yeah. Yeah.

It's that movie because she goes away
because she can't have a baby.
But then she goes with her oldsnag, and then maybe by her old
snake or something like thismedicine does do this medicine
like medicine is happening. Topromote that's like every red
guy is worst nightmare, right?

(01:15:32):
woman went out to go do medicineto go get knocked up. Trapped.

That never ends.
Well, by the way, when he's injail,

he's in jail.
Remember, they get an arrest andyou're sitting there and so
where do you live? Like I livewhere the sun meets this the
land and where he goes off andstarts saying all this stuff.
And then the guy's like, wow,what cheating is like, his
neighbor.

I know I learned and I watched it a couple of
times, and I just couldn't. Ididn't think it was great. I'm
sorry. I didn't I'm sorry. Itwasn't it wasn't bad. It just
wasn't good

it was that's what we're doing.

Bad All right, big man.

You like Dustin Hoffman? So much go be with him.

To get through this list, man. Okay. Okay.
First, okay. Okay, next, we'llstart back to top. My next one
on my list. I don't know if any,I'll remember this. And I don't
remember the whole of the wholemovie. But there's a couple
scenes that that make me say oh,yeah, this is reflecting

(01:17:05):
something that seems real.
Skins. Remember skins at

skins are sleeping on skins. But Mogi yellow. Well,
that's fine. Yeah.

Skins was oh, no, I didn't like oh, no, no,
it's still real. I like it. Iliked it. You know, there's a
part. There's a part. That's waytoo accurate. I was like, No, I
can't. I can't

wait. The week i Yeah. Yeah.

Alicia, that when I first watched it, I thought, Oh,
this whole let's watch ourselvesthing.

Yeah.

I like a little bit of fake. You know, it was just
it was a little too like, Imean, housing houses. They had
the whole nine dude like it was.
Yeah. Yeah, I agree with you. Itwas too real that the week scene
was like, I didn't even know thefictional guy. And I was like,
this is hard.

That's a traumatic scene for me. Because
every time now when I walk intothis type of situation in real
life, I think of that movie.
Like backwards. Oh, do you thinka movie every time you walk into
that situation? Like no, I don'tever point

this point. Because like when you go to the movies,
or when you say hey, family'sMovie Night, or you're with your
significant other and you wantto watch a movie? How real Do
you want to

escape? Escapism right.

Away from what to watch, pray to watch
stepbrothers. I wanna I don'twant to watch my uncle die
ChristHoly smokes. I've read that book

(01:19:01):
before.

But I would rather hear your story about the
Fourth of July and how the babygot and save. Yes, yeah. Or
Thomas or somebody's dad.

If we could get smoke signals. Skins up here.
Right here Oh, okay. You'realmost there, buddy.

Yeah, no, yeah.
Making the list. All right. Oh,yeah, solution.

Mine is last of the dogman Oh.
You go into waterfall waterfall,and there's a tie in the
waterfall behind

thinking the same because

I talked about this

I liked that it's fantasy. I liked that it can't
be real. I love it. I love thewaterfall like

I'm gonna erase this part of the podcast

and this lady knows the language like what the
hell?

apologist right?
Horrible. I'm gonna put a linkin the show notes to all these
movies so people that arelistening can watch them. And at
least know what we're laughing.
Okay. All right.

Last time. You had dance me outside on your list?
Say Alicia. Yeah. And you hadthunder hard on your list? Yeah.
And you had lost a dog on yourlist.

You guys list sir.
converging. We're.

We're covering.

Let's see if we have the last one. Probably
don't though.

Wait, what? Let's see. Okay, what do you

think you're gonna have? I don't think you're gonna
have this one. Let's hear it.
The education of little tree.

No, love that movie. No. Movie. I'm taking

love that movie.

The book is good. Had good.

Love it. His grandpa loved him, man. His
grandpa loved him. Dude, he getsbitten by the snake.

And

everybody's grandpa.

I was hoping movie didn't show up on our list. did.
That's all right.

That's just as bad as Indian in the Cupboard,
right?

No, no, let's.
Let's not compare.

Yeah, yeah, we're jumping. We're jumping arrows
here. So there's a lot ofprogress made? Yeah. What are
you talking about? No. Okay.
Anyway.

Let me let me let me I get it. I understand why
you guys said that. Let mereplace education. A little
treat. All right. All right. Letme let me replace it because I'm
a fan of the Western. Okay, loveit. Missing the missing. The
missing. What missing? I likedthat movie. I've never I do like
them. What is it?

I never. I don't know if I seen it. I
probably didn't.

Is it? Is it a series

or a movie? It's a movie. It's so it's a western
movie?

The mist? Good?
Because it got patches.

These patches are still in women. This other guy's
trying to help them travel guy.

Okay. All right.
It's who's good. Who's the star?
Oh, Tommy Lee Jones. Tommy.

Tommy John.

And he's an Apache. Or is he an Apache?
Scouter. What is he? I don'tknow. I've never seen it. No.
Honestly never seen the missing.
You should

you should watch it.

I have to watch it. Okay, all right. Cool. I
don't know

my my last. My last one was just poor highway.

That's good. Last one. Power. Hi.

My name is legends.

I don't I don't think that's a new movie.

That's borderline borderline Indian movie. Yeah, I
don't know. He

just likes Tristan.

Well, who didn't like

to tend to that's the one and that guy.

Yeah, one stab one stab. That isn't it's cool.

It's good. Yeah, it's good. It's it to me. It
falls under those like epics.
It's an epic, which they kind oftake on their own. Kind of their
own thing. Yeah, it's It's goodthough. I mean, it's one of the
best movies ever made. Right?

It's a good one.
Oh yeah. What's the girl's name?
Who ruins who ruined everythingwho ruined the whole dude.

She wrote through the whole family. Everybody
everything nobody's talkingabout this? No one is she took
them all out man. She

did. That's the whole reason what's his name
died and they had to go get hisheart from Germany. I don't know
what's

crazy in that Lodge. 10 He's like got that
weird cycle face. Note thatreminds me Brad Pitt's doing
this weird cycle bloody phasethree of the scene on Tropic
Thunder where Ben Stiller justgot that Panda did bad

Sorry.

You gotta like log off of Academic Search Complete.
You gotta get out of jail.

Did I find that on Google Scholar?

I don't know my Get Out of Jail. All right.

Okay. Any any other ones on your list that you
didn't mention? solutia No, Ihad one other one is more
recent. It's not of thiscontinent. And I don't know if
we were supposed to do that. Oh,rabbit proof fence. No, not
rabbit proof, but that's a goodone. But yeah, hunt for the

(01:25:39):
Wilder people. Do you remember?
Did you ever see them the hunt?
Yeah, well, they're people.
That's a good one. Ricky Bobby.
From our brothers and sistersdown in. Maori brothers and
sisters that yeah, that's a goodmovie, man.

Yeah, then you gotta go on well, writer. Yeah,
well, right is a

good one. Yeah, we're in a whole different deal
though.

I know. Yeah.
That's kind of region. Okay,because for one

population alone allows for the Maori people to
be represented more accuratelyin cinema where they're from?
Well, they might just be the onewhat's the one one they can
disagree? They can disagreethey're gigantic group of people
on their own island like thatgives them we're not gonna say

gives us an agency

one remember the Marines and it's kind of a rough
movie when

they were once warriors that that one there
were warriors. They were oncewarriors. Yeah, that's a good
one

too. Yeah, that's a good film. And I think we're
kind of missing some here. We'rewe're missing some focus here
rounded out.

What? I didn't say nothing. Or they said look at

okay, yeah.
Oh, we're missing some.

Seems like there's some good ones. I

Yeah. What about Jeremiah Johnson?

What movie?

You know, the one I always liked, but I only seen
it when I was a kid. And Ithought it was real cool. Was
that wind walkers? But I think Itried to watch it as an adult
and I couldn't watch it.

There's something to be said for those for those
series that coyote waits.
skinwalkers you know, like thoseAdam beat beach kind of
detective things Tony Hillermanyes, they're not bad. You know.

Black Robe.
Black, Black

Rock, man. Suck.
Movie suck, dude.

There's one way to Graham Greene and I don't
know what it's called. But it'sabout the last of the movie
people

now we're just getting desperate

to know what was left
Oh my gosh. The rest. I don'tknow why. The rest Natalie don't
know. Oh, I know. I know arecent one that I really like.
But it's really really really,really long. Dream keepers.

I didn't like that. I liked it at first, like,
Oh, this is cool. But then.
Yeah, and

the stories in it are cool. I like the story,
isn't it?

Yeah. What about what about? Um, well, I just
seen it. Where did it go? Oh,shoot. Indian horse. Movie.

Am gonna watch no sad movies. There's like a
lot of ones I left out though.
There's a lot of sad movies likeabout boarding schools.

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of that either. I kind of
liked the far out hard tobelieve are the Western I do.
I'm a fan of westerns. I reallyam. So yeah. Do you remember
into the West?

That one sounds familiar, but I can't recall.
No. Into the West. No into theWest woman

woman walks ahead.

I think like I think when it comes to those
kind of movies, I think they'vegotten better at representation
in the movies. But I think likethey're too hard to watch. Some
of them are too hard to watch.
They're too real. Oh, like TheRevenant The Revenant that's, I
can't watch. I watch movies likethat. Like, I don't want to
watch real about the real stuff.

(01:29:52):
Yeah.

I kind of agree with you.

I want to say something that's gonna at least
make me laugh. Yeah,

what do you think about the Johnny Depp thing when
he pretended to be an Indian?

Was that the one that's like black and white
and he's like floating in a boatsomewhere?

Tonto, tonto.

Oh, that one.
I don't really remember thatone.

You had a bird on his head. Oh, what about

black clothed?

Pirates of the Caribbean, but but with a bird
on his head, right?

Yeah, that's Tonto was same

character almost.
Yeah, the same manner. Yeah.

Yeah. Boring.
Gray. You say black cloud? Oh,that's not boxing movie. Huh?

Great. I will.

Black Cloud.
Oh, black cloud

seem like you haven't time keeping up here.

You know, anyway, yeah. Okay. Well, what's I don't
know. This is interesting, but Ithink maybe the listeners are
gonna have a struggle. Becausethere's a lot of like, what do
they call them? Loose referencesor references that they don't

(01:31:26):
know what the heck we're talkingabout.

Since when have we cared about that? I mean,
seriously, when?

I don't know. I'm just curious. I don't know how
to I don't know how to remedyit. And maybe you don't have to
don't don't know. But this thingwe got here

so listeners listeners if you if you're not,
don't get references, just waitfor the next one. What I believe
I don't know.

I'm gonna put a link to each of these shows if I
can in the show notes. Because Ithink people should watch some
of these. I think they should.

I think you need to revisit dance me outside. I was
pretty disappointed.

All right. Well, I'll watch it. I'll give you a
report.

This guy wants to watch friggin Pocahontas.

Squanto remember that one? That Disney classic.

We bought neither Wolf Nor Dog. That was good.

Neither Wolf Nor Dog. Hey, remember that one
movie? The guy goes to theArctic. In

winter in the blood, man.

Is that the movie?
I'm thinking of what happens inwinter in the blood? They don't
remember.

Didn't get to watch James Welch

remember war cry?

I don't Oh, do what? Uh oh.

What about war party?

A war party that's thinking of Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
that's a good one.

All I remember is there was a poster that hung
up my Auntie's bedroom. Oh.
That's all

particular guy was on that poster. And so I was
hanging in the bedroom. I can'tremember this movie. The guy's
in the Arctic, or the tundra.
And he's studying wolves. Andthen there's a there's some
hunter that keeps visiting andhelping him but he's kind of a

(01:33:34):
funny character. I don'tremember that show. No, no, I
can't remember what it's called.
Anyway, anyway, this is dying.
We're dying out. Yeah, we'vedone it done. I think we've done
our job. We did our list. Weshould encourage people to watch
some of these movies justbecause it represents some

(01:33:55):
things that we think are eitherauthentic in a manner outside of
reality that sort of reflect ourhumor and vision outside of you
know, the history that's notalways accurately portrayed in a
certain way but yeah, I thinkit's important in any closing
words solution.

And no, I just think that movies I think
they're just like getting betterand I think that's just like I
just said before, like, there isa movie coming out I can't
remember the name of it. Andlike kind of looking forward to
seeing it. And I think I don'tknow I think it goes along with

(01:34:43):
more like a mainstream Hill. Andthen it reflects history
reflects our history and that'slike a pretty important pretty
important having to do with likeoil and stuff like that, but
like if it's not, I felt like ifit's not Oh well done, it's
really hard to, it's really hardto want to watch it. Something

(01:35:06):
that reflects the historybecause I feel like we just
spend a lot of time explainingourselves all the time. Yeah.
And welike those are just like an
extension of that. It's likesomebody's trying to steal,
explain ourselves all the time.
And, and most of the time when Imake those, it's always only

(01:35:28):
reflecting like one tribe. Andthere's so many different
tribes. And, yeah, a lot oftimes, it's like a sad story. So
I think my takeaway is like, Itend to lean toward the unreal
plots, the unreal plot,something that's gonna make me
laugh and something I'm going toprobably watch repeatedly and

(01:35:52):
make references to repeatedlyand, and just something that's
going to be bring joy, you know,I don't know, I think those are,
the more memorable. I thinkthat's why the list that we made
was more memorable. Even if itis corny or inaccurate, it just
seems to be go along with makingmy day. Like, I don't have to

(01:36:16):
stop and cry in the middle ofthe day. Because I have watched
this movie. Like, I just, I havesomething to reflect on to make
me happy. So even if it's notreal, like that's, yeah, that's
what it is. I like it. And

you can overlook sharpening an obsidian axe for
the escapism of defeating apredator. Aaron, what you got,
man?

I agree a lot with St. Lucia. same sentiments where
if I'm gonna watch Nativepeople, I don't need to be
reminded of where I live. Right?
You know what I mean? Or like myupbringing, or I think there's
probably a way to make a nativefilm that reflects, at least our
read, it'd be cool to like,watch a native film about just a

(01:37:11):
group of kids and bikes in theiradventures in a little town, you
know? Right? Like, like,gathering money for an ice pop
swimming in the ditch or right?
You know what I mean? Likesomething real, like, but I
don't need to see. I don't needto see movies, where they're

(01:37:34):
putting cigarettes out onpeople's kids and shit. Like, I
don't I don't need to beaccurate, like, in that sense,
or this functionalism? Or, Yeah,I kind of like the idea of a
little bit of fantasy. A littlebit of that. Almost just

(01:37:54):
slightly off. You know, to me,like dances, that's me outside.
It's not super accurate. It'saccurate enough. It's still got
its level of cheese. It's stillgot its exaggerated forms, but
the way they filmed it, I likeit a lot. And but it's it's
distant to me, because that'sover in Nova Scotia. Are Quebec

(01:38:15):
and Nova Scotia. I think. Soit's like, to me, it's like,
okay, that's there. It's like,every time it's got to be just a
little bit something off, youknow? Yeah. Yeah. I like that
song.

Yeah, that's important. And I think that
reflects the voice of, like, theindigenous viewer or the native
viewer of film. But, you know, Ithink there's maybe a over over
emphasis or attempt to make filmfor the non Indigenous viewer,

(01:38:50):
when in fact, if you make it forthe indigenous viewer, you're
really making it for everybody,because I think we're all very
similar in that way that weenjoy. laughter We enjoy
escapism. I think we get intosome trouble when we try to
represent something in aninauthentic way. But you know,
there's there's other purpose ofserving too. Illustrate past

(01:39:16):
that maybe people don'tunderstand. But yeah, I don't
know if that's I don't knowmovie is for that. I don't know
if the cinema has always that'sbeen always the purpose of
cinema is to, in your face, makeyou cry make you feel bad about
what you did or what you'regoing to do or what happened in
the past. Because more about us?
Yeah,

I think that might be there might be cinema for the
for the privilege. You know, Ithink growing up like, like
reservation. Anyone who grew uplike res cinema is an escape.
Yeah, it's a step away fromsomething that you're not
living, you know?

Yeah, yeah. So

I think peace People who who come from
privilege they like those kindsof movies. I'm not saying it's
you can't like those movies.
When you're a kid. I'm thinkingof like when you're young and
when you want to watch a movie,like, you're gonna watch
something that's not real andnot accurate. And it's kind of
crazy. And it's kind of like,it's fun. Yeah. But what I'm
waiting for in Indian countrygets The Sandlot version of the

(01:40:21):
native version of like sandlotwhat they captured in that film
was like these kids playingbaseball in the summer, just
doing basic shit.

Yeah. And I just stand by me.

It's like, yeah, it's like, it's like, from the
kids perspective. So one daythough, there's going to be a
native film that's like that.
It's a group of kids.
Reservation dogs. I think it'sas close as we've gotten so far.
But even that's a little bitlike outlandish. It starts out
with them still in a chip truck,which is like, okay, all right.

(01:41:01):
Much, you know, but it's good.
Reservation dogs is cool, man.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, cool, man. Let's, let's wrap it
up there. I think we wentthrough a lot of things a lot of
film that we enjoy. What Yeah,and I think you're right about
that. We live a life that oftenpeople try to to capture and

(01:41:25):
film but man, we don't want towatch that could just look out
our window or reflect back onthe past you know?

Yeah. Or do some literally do some homework
and after read a book, read itin the book

read it. Yeah.
Awesome, man. Well, this is agood one. This is good one that
movie I was trying to think of.
never cry wolf. Do you rememberthat? Never seen it. Oh, do

different channels.

never cry wolf.
Anyway. 1983 it's way back. Allright,

the WG that was on WGN.

Unknown (01:42:16):
All right. Okay. All right.

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