April 23, 2025 • 42 mins
Today, Taylor Aller shares her journey as a multi-potentialite who built a six-figure business without social media, revealing how to balance multiple passions without burnout through strategic planning and alignment with core values - and you're gonna love it!
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• The key to managing multiple passions: "Don't do everything at once and don't do it by yourself"
• How Taylor has thrived without social media since 2019, proving it's possible for most businesses
• The transformative "hummingbird revelation" that helped Taylor overcome burnout and shame
• Why multi-passionate people need to "stop playing the specialist game" and create their own success metrics
• Using reverse engineering to plan strategically while honoring your many interests
• The Make It Happen Planner Method for multi-potentialites to achieve goals without overwhelm
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But I think for most businesses you could find a way
to get creative around it.
And if you think about it, itwas only like a sneeze ago in
the timeline of humanity thatthere was no social media and
there were successful businesses.
And there were successfulbusinesses even in the online
world before social media reallystarted to boom and blossom.
And there's lots of businessesnow that are successful that are
(00:21):
not on social media.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Welcome to Tried and True with a dash of woo, where
we blend rock solid tips with alittle bit of magic.
I'm Renee Bowen, your host,life and business coach and
professional photographer atyour service.
We are all about gettingcreative, diving into your
business and playing withmanifestation over here.
So are you ready to getinspired and have some fun?
Let's dive in.
If you're listening to thispodcast, chances are you are
(00:50):
creative and you probably havefelt or maybe you're feeling
like this right now that you'retorn between a million creative
ideas, excited by all of them,but also worried that you'll
never be able to get it all donewithout losing your mind.
Yeah, if that's you, you're notalone.
But what if I told you youcould build a thriving,
fulfilling, profitable businesswithout the burnout, without the
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overwhelm and also withouthaving to be chained to social
media at all, if that's yourchoice?
My guest today is Taylor Aller,and we are going to talk all
about these things.
Taylor is a small town girl andall about that
multi-potentialite life.
She is a six-figureentrepreneur, a TEDx speaker, a
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massage therapist, an educatorand a consultant.
She's based in British Columbiaand she's the co-founder of the
P2P Summit, and she's always upfor something fun.
She's also a mom of two littleones and she and I met inside of
a really amazing mixer mind,and I'm also going to be
(01:55):
participating in her upcomingpanel in April that I'm going to
tell you guys all about we talkabout in today's episode.
Taylor is bringing together awhole bunch of us
multi-potentialites and it'sgoing to be a really amazing
panel you guys are definitelygoing to want to tune into.
When she's not balancingmultiple projects or
strategizing new ways to supporther clients, you can find
(02:15):
Taylor soaking up all of thebeauty of the Pacific Northwest
with her small family.
She's got lots of great nuggetsfor you guys in this
conversation, so let's just diveright in.
Hey, Taylor, Okay, so youdescribe yourself as a
multi-potentialite balancinglots of projects which we're
going to dig into along withyour family, your kids, all the
things, and it's a lot that uscreatives can identify with.
(02:39):
I deeply resonate with all ofthat, and it can also lead to
burnout, so I want to just startoff by asking you, first of all
, thanks for being here and,second of all, I want to start
by asking you how you do allthis without burnout and without
using social media.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, thanks for having me, renee.
I'm so excited to chat with you.
It's been so fun getting tointroduce each other to each
other's worlds and, yeah, thanksfor having me.
So, yeah, I do a lot of things,but if I were to boil it down
into one sentence about how I doit all without burning out
because I get that question allthe time is that I don't do
everything at once and I don'tdo it by myself.
(03:14):
If both of those boxes are notchecked, it will lead to burnout
.
In my experience, it certainlyhas.
And social media oh, do I havea spicy relationship with social
media.
I've been off social media,personally and professionally,
since 2019.
So we're going on like sixyears now and business is still
thriving.
I'm still thriving.
(03:34):
Family's still thriving.
We've popped on, I thinkcollectively, four times in the
last six years to announce thatwe're pregnant and to announce
each baby.
That's it, and that's onlyafter.
Of course, we've let all of ouryou know intimate friends and
family know.
But yeah, it's been quite awild ride.
I'm sure we're going to pull itapart, but ultimately not doing
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it all at the same time and notdoing it by yourself.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, that's a really good point, Cause it's kind of
one of the things I like to sayto people is like, yeah, you can
do all the things right, butprobably not at once.
Especially like if you're,there's a lot of different
things that overlap.
So what was like a turningpoint for you where you realized
there's a better and ahealthier way to achieve my
goals.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Oh my God.
Yeah, there's actually a veryspecific moment and I talk about
this in my Ted talk actuallywhere I had hit massive burnout.
I was simultaneously trying tobe a specialist in like three
different areas.
I was a professional level hiphop dancer.
I was traveling internationallylike six to 10 times a year,
competing.
I was a registered massagetherapist working at a clinic,
(04:40):
practicing out of a clinic, Ithink, like five to seven days a
week.
I was just starting my careeras an educator.
I was being a teachingassistant for like four
different classes at the college, all while trying to do this at
the same time.
And I recently got engaged andwas planning a wedding and we
got a dog, a rescue dog Ifanybody here rescues dogs, you
know it's just a roll of thedice and our Luna was a
(05:03):
challenge.
So it was all of it.
It was all of it all at onceand I'm kind of laughing about
it and poking fun now that I'vehad many years since then, but
in all honesty, it was probablyone of the lowest points of my
life.
I was having incredibledigestive and health issues.
I was having massive mentalhealth issues.
We were huge amounts in debt.
It was just not fun all the wayaround, and I was running
(05:25):
myself into the ground and therewas a day that I, like could
not physically get out of bedand I was like this is awful.
And I don't know if anybodylistening has had that moment
where you've just hit the walland you're like I don't know if
I'm ever going to be able to getup, like what have I done?
And I knew it was all my fault,you know, and I'm going through
this shame spiral.
So, needless to say, I'm doingwhat I do to cope, and that is
like falling down the YouTuberabbit hole.
(05:46):
So I'm there with the likesatisfying art compilations and,
like the cat and dog videos,like trying to find some
semblance of peace, and I'mreally having a hard time.
And I stumbled across a videothat had Elizabeth Gilbert.
She's the author of Eat, pray,love, big Magic.
You know she's fantastic andshe was doing a talk about
finding your passion, likefinding the thing that lights
(06:08):
you up, and I was like man, likeI'm sitting there struggling,
like I thought I found mypassion, and like I have 14 of
them and like oh, like, whichone is the one?
I'm trying to do all of them,and like it's not working and
I'm trying to do them all at thesame time and I'm trying to do
this all by myself and I'mkeeping everything separated.
I'm doing, quote unquote, whatI'm supposed to be doing and
this feels terrible and I'm notsuccessful.
I'm a failure right now.
(06:29):
And then she said something inthat video that changed my life
forever and she ultimatelyboiled it down to there's two
types of people in the world.
There are jackhammers, whichare specialists.
They are people who know whatthey want to do from like the
moment they exit the womb.
And she is a jackhammer.
She's like I knew from a littlegirl I just wanted to write.
Everything was in the serviceof writing.
I would waitress to write, Iwould do these things to write.
(06:51):
That's all I ever wanted to do.
And then she was confused, likewhy doesn't everybody else have
this thing?
And when she was looking aroundher she realized, ah, there's a
second type of person.
So type of person.
So, outside of the jackhammer,there's the hummingbird.
And the hummingbird their jobis to cross-pollinate the world.
Instead of having incredibledepth of knowledge, they have a
breadth of knowledge.
They have half degrees startedbusinesses, international living
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and pursuits and all of thosepeople around her were those
hummingbirds.
And in that moment I was like,oh my God, finally, that's me,
I'm a hummingbird.
And I was like sobbing, uglycrying.
I called my husband.
I'm like, babe, I'm ahummingbird.
And he's like if you're a bird,I'm a bird, like the notebook
(07:35):
thing.
I was like no, not quite Likeyou know, kind of sort of.
But anyways, when I calmed downthe snot enough to explain what
I was talking about, he waslike no, like you're a
hummingbird with a jackhammer.
Because I'm a full asser, likethere's no half-assing allowed.
I jump in with both cheeks,yeah, everyday, you too.
So, anyways, that was the momentI was like hitting this burnout
and I realized I'm ahummingbird and what that
realization gave me really waspermission to stop trying to
live outside of myself.
(07:56):
Like nothing felt right.
I knew it didn't feel right.
I kept trying to push throughit and it just wasn't working.
And that moment opened my eyesto like, wow, there's a whole
other way of living.
So that turned the momentum inthe other direction and I
started, you know several yearjourney of finding a
multi-potentialite,multi-passionate community,
finding the resources, the books, experimenting with different
business models and trying tostructure my life experimenting
(08:18):
with different planning andstrategy models and I finally
kind of cracked the code a fewyears ago now.
And now I help other people dothe same thing and it's a lot of
fun.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Ah, your story is so awesome.
Like I absolutely I mean I'mnot awesome in the fact that you
, you know, felt so terrible, Idon't mean that but I think that
it's awesome in a way that Ithink a lot of us can identify
with I know I can for sure, andI've actually never heard her
speak about that.
Like that's so fascinating tome because, yeah, you know, my
husband's one of thosejackhammer, like he basically at
(08:48):
seven, told his parents I wantto be an actor at seven, you
know like who does that?
And I remember when we met wewere in our twenties and it was
like one of our firstconversations that we had and he
was telling me this and I justlooked at him like he was an
alien and I was like, okay, hereI am with like my degree in
(09:09):
psychology, I'm a massagetherapist.
You and I have that in commonyes, we do.
And I was like, and I want todo like at least 500 other
things, like I think I want towrite a book, I think I want to
do this, I think.
And he was like, okay, and Ijust remember feeling like am I
broken?
Like why do I want to do allthese things?
(09:30):
And it's so interesting becauseI also have been in those
places of like, yeah, ahummingbird with a jackhammer,
because it's all or none, I'mgoing to go all in.
And I think what you touched onis so universal for those of us
who also are like that, thatshame spiral of well, I didn't
do it, perfect, I didn't do itall the way, and so obviously
(09:50):
I'm a suck, I'm a failure, blah,blah, blah.
And that is a really hard placeto get out of I have found.
And so I kind of want to speakto that for a second, because I
know a lot of people in mycommunity are dealing with this
and they may be in like variousstages of this burnout and they
may actually be in like physicalstress burnout Cause I know
that, you know it does take atoll on your body, like you said
(10:13):
, like can't get out of bed andyour body actually can shut down
, like really big believer inthat mind body connection, and I
think that you are too as amassage therapist.
You see it, you know we do holdthings in our body and the body
does keep the score not toquote the book, but it's true.
So I want to kind of speak tothat for a second, and I know
that this is part of what you doand why you're passionate about
(10:35):
teaching other people aboutthis.
If someone is in that placeright now, right, what is one
piece of advice, like what?
What's the first step for themin that process of climbing?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Oh, there was one.
Yeah, I'm going to see if I cancondense it into one sentence.
Um, I think it would be.
Firstly if, if you are in thatplace of burnout because you're
like Renee and I and you werethat that kiddo at two that was
like, oh, I want to be 800little things.
And then that never changed,you know, and that never changed
(11:06):
for me either.
Like you know, I remember at 13or 14, it was like, okay,
Taylor, but what's the one thinglike you can't, you can't
actually do five differentthings, and I was like watch me
and I did, and it led to likeburnout, right, Multiple times.
But if you are in that place ofburnout because you have that
same hummingbird nature, youhave that same
(11:27):
multi-potentialite stress, thefirst thing I would suggest is
to stop playing the specialistgame.
Give yourself permission to notbe the expert and to not do it
the way that the world hasstructured success to look like.
You know, embrace that part ofyou.
It is not broken.
You are not broken.
There is nothing wrong with you.
(11:48):
You have the potential of manydifferent lives, not just one.
And it's more about a strategythan it is about something being
wrong with you, and for me,that's what that hummingbird
video changed in me.
I was like, wow, there isactually nothing wrong with me,
Because I felt like there was.
I felt like I was flaky, I feltlike I didn't know what I was
doing.
I felt like I was confusingpeople all the time.
(12:09):
I was confused all the time.
You know, I got so manycomments of like, oh, you're a
lot, aren't you?
Or like, what else are youdoing?
Oh, you didn't finish that.
Oh, another thing.
You quit, Like it was like no,no, I am not a failure, and how
I want to live my life has to bedone in a way that is strategic
, and it took years for me to dothat and to then finally have
(12:29):
the success on the others, likeyou know, to be debt-free, to
have an income, to have a family, to have that balance.
It's like, oh, finally, and nowI can go back and show all those
people see, there is a way todo it.
But it started withunderstanding that I am not
broken.
But it started withunderstanding that I am not
broken.
It is the structure and thesystem for success for
entrepreneurs.
That is only one dimensionaland I am a three dimensional
(12:53):
business owner and that means Ihad to do more work and craft my
own way.
But that didn't mean there wassomething wrong with me.
It meant that there wassomething wrong with that system
and that expectation.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Oh, that's good.
Yeah, no, it's a really bigpart of it.
Right Is like giving yourselfpermission to just be you.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
That's all of you.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yes, like every piece and really embracing it.
You know, I think that's why Ione of my special interests is
self-development, right, because, like I got that psychology
degree, because at a very youngage I was like what is going on
with me and how can I find outmore, and so I feel like a lot
(13:33):
of, a lot of us really needed toprobably hear that, right, like
, give yourself the grace andlet yourself off the hook to
like to be you Also.
You talk a lot about you blendstrategy right goal setting Also
.
You talk a lot about you blendstrategy right Goal setting,
strategic goal setting specificwith this intuition and flow,
which are two things that a lotof people would think are polar
(13:54):
opposites.
But can you walk us through howyou blend those two aspects in
planning?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, I'll walk you through like the high level of
it, because what I do with myconsulting clients all looks
completely individual.
Every multi-potentialite hassuch a unique puzzle of
interests and theirintersections are completely
unique to them.
So their blend of, likestrategy and intuition or gut
feeling, it's going to bedifferent, to be different.
(14:26):
But high level, I look a lotand we'll talk about this later.
I'm sure the reverseengineering part of things, but
it all starts with what yourvalues and your priorities are,
because, regardless of what yourinterests or passions may
happen to be in this currentseason or maybe were in the
previous season or going to bein the next season, your values
and priorities are generallypretty stable, especially your
values.
So I always recommend startingthere and that starts with like
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that gut feeling.
Right, it is like what is trulyimportant to me.
If I had to narrow it down tolike two or three things that I
really value in this season oflife, in the next 10 years of
what I'm living, what would thatbe?
Am I valuing my creativity?
Am I valuing my autonomy?
Am I valuing my family?
My valuing my autonomy?
Am I valuing my family, myhealth, my wealth?
(15:09):
You know, what is it that I'mvaluing and really pushing
yourself to narrow it down whichis very hard, uh to just two or
three things, and that is thatconstant gut check, because if
what you're doing is not inalignment with those values,
you're never going to do itright.
Or you're going to do it,you're going to half-ass it, or
you're going to quit, or it'snot going to work out, or this,
it doesn't matter the strategyyou apply on top of it.
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If it doesn't apply to yourvalues, it's not going to be
effective.
And I'm all about beingeffective.
So it starts there.
It's listening to your heartand to your gut and figuring out
what really matters to you andthen building on your values.
It's determining yourpriorities.
So what is it that is apriority for you?
And sometimes it's the samething.
I value my health and my healthis a priority.
(15:50):
But often, if I were to lookback at the last three weeks to
three months of somebody'scalendar, they'll tell me their
values and I'll look at theircalendar and I'm like, wow, none
of them have been a priorityyou know we'll see all these
other things that sneak theirway in there or things you feel
like you quote unquote should bedoing, like social media, for
example, or like these otherthings, and they're not in
alignment and that leads to alot of that emotional stress or
(16:13):
burnout.
You know that constant fightingagainst that part of yourself.
So that's where I would start.
And then the strategy on top ofthat.
It all kind of builds andstacks, but you need one step
before the other.
So start with your values,layer on your priorities for the
next season.
Then you really get to start toget creative with the
strategies that you want toemploy, with the different
passions you have around that.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Love.
Yeah, no, that's a really big,important part, because people
think that they're doing thatright, like you said.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Well, they start usually like the bottom up.
They start with strategy first,and then they try to like,
squeeze their priorities in, andthen they're like, oh, is this
in alignment with my values?
Well, whatever, I have theperfect strategy.
And it's like, oh, no that'snot going to work.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Well, you also mentioned the should right, like
they think that they should be.
Like you know, they think maybesocial media or whatever should
be a part of it, but at theheart of it is it is it really
for you?
And maybe haven't even.
They haven't even stopped toreally truly assess like what is
right for them.
I feel like that's very common.
I see a lot in my coaching toois they're just sort of like
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doing what they've been taughtor think they should be doing in
order to have this.
But again, like you said in thebeginning, that sort of like
system isn't meant for everybodyand it's really important to
like step back and get thatawareness of what is actually
important to you, because that'swhere it starts.
(17:30):
So, yeah, I love that.
And you have something I wantto talk a little bit about your
make it happen planner method.
Is that part of this process aswell?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
That's where it starts.
It's listing out those valuesand your priorities and it's
reverse engineering the nextfour years of your life.
But the biggest chunk of it isfiguring out your values and
priorities because, like we saidbefore, it doesn't matter what
planning strategy you have orwhat app you're using, what tool
you're using, you know.
None of that matters unlessit's in alignment first.
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So the biggest steps and likethe meatiest part of it is
determining that.
Then you get to build thestrategy off of it and then you
get to plan it out.
So it's not a scheduling tool,it's a planning tool.
It is listing out those biggoals, those big milestones you
want to achieve in the next fouryears, because a lot can happen
in four years.
Right, you could have a kid ortwo, you could have a degree,
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you could move internationally acouple of times, you can start
a business or two or three, likethere's so many things that can
happen in that period of time.
But it's also short enoughwhere you could think back to
four years from now and you'relike, oh yeah, that wasn't that
long ago.
So it's a nice digestibleperiod of time, even though it
feels long, and then it kind ofwhittles everything down into
the next year.
So it starts with that kind ofhigh level four years, and then
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you figure out out your nextbest step, and then it keeps
breaking it down from years toquarters, to months, and then
you get to take it to yourweekly planner and then however
you want to schedule, it is yourbusiness, but you'll have the
plan regardless.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, that's really similar to how I like just like
I have something that I call theclarity method and that's
that's very, very similar tothat.
It's like you got to know whereyou want to go.
You got to get some clarity onlike what that is, and then I'm
all about reverse engineering.
I don't know, maybe it's justthe way our brains work, but it
really like it feels really goodto me to do that, and then you
can get very granular with thenow when you backtrack, like
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that.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
So that's a perfect word for it.
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah.
So let me ask you do you thinkthat every entrepreneur, online
entrepreneur or like everyperson is able to build a
business off of social mediaright now?
Like I just want your likesideways, take on that.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Every, every business .
No, because some businesses arecentered around social media,
right.
So if I were to exclude thatcategory or have that as a
caveat, I would say that mostbusinesses could if they wanted
to, if it wasn't centered aroundtheir niche, right?
If they weren't, you know,trying to be a content creator
or something like that, whereyou would have no choice but to
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post that content somewhere,right?
Or if they're being like asocial media manager or
something of that nature, oreven a VA to a certain degree.
But I think for most businesses, you could find a way to get
creative around it and if youthink about it, it was only like
a sneeze ago in the timeline ofhumanity, there was no social
media and there were successfulbusinesses, and there were
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successful businesses even inthe online world before social
media really started to boom andblossom.
And there's lots of businessesnow that are successful that are
not on social media, right.
So I think it's also beingstrategic with how you do that
and you can have social media bea part of your strategy.
I don't personally do this, butsome of my clients do, where
social media is a part of theirmarketing and distribution
channels.
It's part of their funnels, butthey aren't the ones that
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manage it, create it or doanything of it.
They outsource it right.
So there is a way to have asocial media free existence or
operating but still have that bea part of your business model.
If that's required of you andyour niche or if you want to
have that as part of your puzzle, it's definitely an opportunity
there.
But that by no means disregardsthe opportunity to just have it
not be a part of there at all.
(21:00):
Yeah, I'm evidence of it.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, and I mean, you're one of a few people that
I've just recently come intocontact with and we both belong
to a mixer mind and there's afew of you guys in there who
don't use social, and you knowI'm pretty chronically online,
so you know, for me that's verydifferent and I'm like, oh,
that's so interesting.
Now I don't just rely on socialmedia.
(21:24):
I definitely talk about there'slots and lots of other ways SEO
and word of mouth andconnection and all of those
things really really matter.
Email I use it as part of thesystem.
I think it's really interestingthat I've just recently come
into contact with people whoreally don't use it at all, like
you, and are still able tobuild these six figure plus
(21:46):
businesses without it, and Ilove that you're finding a way
to do that.
It really shows that you'rejust in alignment to me.
That's.
That's what it feels like to me.
It's like I mean, if socialfeels in alignment to you, okay,
that's great, but I see a lotof people in in what I do who
really really detest it likedetest it and don't want to be
(22:09):
on and so, and it also I feellike a lot of us creatives, a
lot of us.
You know, spicy brains, like Ilike to call us.
We are very prone to thenegativity out there as well.
Like a lot of us are a littlemore sensitive, that can really
really start to have a negativeeffect on just everything.
(22:31):
I'm a big believer that how wefeel it's going to show up in
our business.
If you feel really negative andyour energy is really low and
your frequency is really low,then how are you showing up for
your business, for yourself, foryour family?
So if you're listening andthat's something that resonates
with you, I just kind of wantedto add that in that, there's a
very big possibility that youcan do this without it, or you
(22:54):
can just get really creativewith it and and at the end of
the day, if, if what you need todo is outsource it, then
there's a way to do that as well.
There's always a solution in inin my mind.
Like that's one of my I thinkone of my superpowers is like
I'm going to find-.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I was just going to say that I was like that is the
superpower of themulti-potential light is like
there is always like just giveme 30 minutes to 30 days and I
will come back with an answer.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Literally, it's like I can dig into this.
This is like so fun to me.
Like I literally feel like it'sfun and a challenge.
So if you're having a hard timewith that, you know there's
other people who can help you doit too.
Like sometimes you just needlike somebody to brainstorm with
, but I do believe that there'ssolutions to all of that.
I want to talk a little bitabout what are some of the
things that you are doing rightnow.
(23:39):
I want to talk about the panelthat you're going to be doing in
April, because I'm a part of it, but not not just because of
that.
I think it's such an amazingidea, so talk to me a little bit
about how did you get that idea?
What made you want to do this?
You are so organized, by theway, like you guys understand.
Like you know, she asked me tobe a part of this and I was like
yeah, absolutely.
(23:59):
And I mean like it's all there,like I don't have any questions
, like it's, you're so organizedwith everything.
So how did that come about?
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Thank you for that compliment.
I will take that.
I haven't always been anorganized person, so again, this
comes with that strategy piece.
When it's in alignment, it'sthere, but yeah, now, that's all
I do.
I'm so organized I think as amom, you kind of have to be.
Anyways, how did it all comeabout?
It came about because it's thegap that I'm seeing and I have
capacity at this moment now tofill it.
So I'm all about it, right, Ithink the journey of being not
(24:31):
on social media.
There's so many pros that comewith it, right, and we can all
immediately they're right thereat the front of our mind, right?
Especially if, like you tocircle back to what you said,
renee if you're that person,that's like.
I detest opening up Instagram.
I detest looking at that, like,create a post button.
I detest having to go into theDMs, like whatever that is.
Of course, on the flip side,there's all those positives.
(24:51):
I don't have the apps on myphone, I don't log into them, I
don't have that time suck.
I don't have that distraction.
I don't feel negative aboutmyself, my body, my kids, my
husband, my house, like I do inother ways, but social media is
not adding to that right.
So you know all of those prosare there, but there are cons
too.
And there is a big con for me,particularly as an introvert, is
(25:14):
that I make connections withpeople one-on-one and really
deeply, and that's why not beingon social media works for me,
because I get to do that andthat's a huge part of how I run
my businesses.
Like you said, referralmarketing, affiliate marketing,
email marketing you know all ofthese different things are a
part of what I do.
Network marketing is massiveand then I leverage other
connections too.
But not being on social media,I'm missing out on that
(25:37):
community at your fingertips oflike, hey, has anybody used this
app before?
How do you use it?
Oh, hey, does anybody have areferral connection for you know
this city, this town, thisstate, this province, this
country?
Oh, hey, I'm traveling overhere.
Does anybody have anyrecommendations for this, this
and that it is very challengingfor me to get that kind of like
pulse check.
I have to do a lot of effort tobe able to do that, whereas,
(25:57):
like friends of mine, they'relike oh, I'm just going to post
up with a quick responses andI'm like, oh, my God, I have to
like individually text, like allthese people, or I have to call
these people or I have to liketoss it out to my email list.
You know these types of things.
So there's that big con and Iknow, as an introvert and
somebody that has multiplepassions, there's a lot of
people just like me that arealso struggling with that, and
(26:27):
so I have two kiddos, a daughterwho just turned four and my
son's going to be two in lessthan a month, and I haven't had
the capacity to fill this gap.
When I first noticed it, it wasabout probably 18 months after I
went off.
Social media is when I reallystarted to feel that loss of
community and I was like, man, Ireally, really want to get back
in that.
But then I'm in the thick ofhaving babies and I was like not
right now, right, it's thewhole.
I can do anything I want, notall at once and not by myself.
So that was that, not all atonce.
(26:47):
So after my son turned a year,around 18 months, I felt like,
okay, yeah, I'm back on my feetagain.
I finished my mat leave, I wentback to you know all the work
that I was doing.
I was like, okay, this is good.
I think I have capacity to dothis this year, and then joining
the mixer mind, like we talkedabout, which is where I found
you and so many other wonderfulfolks, but that really pushed me
to go.
Now is the time.
Now I'm going to do this andI'm not going to do it by myself
(27:09):
.
I'm going to connect with allthese other people that have had
the joy and the opportunity toconnect with.
I'm going to toss it out tothese other communities that I
am a part of and see who wantsto join this mission with me.
So, yeah, it came from a gap.
I see that, selfishly, I wantto fill for myself, but also the
clients I work with, the peoplethat I meet all the time.
We're wanting some of thatdeeper connection and that
(27:30):
support to find othermulti-potentialites just like us
.
So you know, having a couple ofpanels, having case studies
showing people what this lifelooks like from people who've
cracked the code for themselves.
So I'm really excited to do itand I'm so excited to meet so
many people and to you know pushout of my introvert comfort
zone and get to connect with abunch of people all at once.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
That's going to be.
It's going to be so awesome.
Yeah, I will definitely let youguys know about that when it
comes up.
But, yeah, I'm super excited tobe a part of it too.
For all those reasons, it'sgoing to be so, so fun.
And you're right, I'm anintrovert too, which a lot of
people were like, really, I'mlike, yeah, no, I'm like no 100%
, like I can do this, but I haveto do it in spurts, right, and
(28:12):
so that's another thing aboutknowing yourself.
Like I really big on thatself-awareness tool, like, okay,
yeah, I know that I have.
I'm a two four also in humandesign.
I wonder do you know your humandesign?
Are you into that at all?
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Um, a little bit.
I know I'm a um, what is it?
Manifesting generator yeah,yeah, Right.
Everyone's like oh, I can smellit coming.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, I got.
I can tell that now I'm agenerator and that's a similar
energy type, like it's just thatyou know you're the spicier
version a little bit in a lot ofways, right, but it's it bit in
a lot of ways, right, but it's,it's a similar thing.
But a two four is really aninteresting sort of profile line
, because the two is the hermit,the two is the one.
Like, I got to go in my cave.
I need to like, I need time bymyself, I need to honor the time
(28:57):
alone.
That's where I recharge, that'swhere.
I like my energy.
But the four is community.
I, I rely on community forliterally everything and it's
like that's such a juxtaposition.
It's like the introvert theextrovert like, and my whole
life I felt like that, Like I'vebeen in spurts of like oh yeah,
I, let's go to that party,let's do this, and I'm super
(29:20):
excited to connect and meetpeople.
And then there are times whereI'm like absolutely not, I do
not want to go, no, thank youCancel.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Wow, that's so cool.
I don't know if I'm a two, four, but that resonates.
Yeah, yeah, and I enjoy people,but, like you said, like I
don't gain energy from crowds ofpeople.
One-on-one, those deeperconversations, oh, I could do
that all day long, you know.
And being by myself, I could dothat also all day long.
But yeah, as much as I enjoybeing in community and being
(29:48):
around bigger people, it ittakes a lot out of me.
I need a lot of recharge timeby myself to be able to do that.
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Especially when you have little kids too, like
you've got going on.
I mean, I had three kids underthe age of two and I started my
photography business when, likeI think, the twins were almost
five, when I really took itseriously.
I mean, I was dabbling for awhile.
I was still doing massage anddoing photography and trying to
(30:15):
see how I could segue into that.
And being married to ah, hypercreative Like my husband is, you
know, he's definitely beenlaser focused his whole life on
what he wanted.
But he is like an incrediblycreative person, like he can
draw, he can act, he can direct,he can write.
You know he's a filmmaker.
Like it's just all right, brainstuff, right.
(30:39):
So it's a very unpredictablesort of crazy life.
So it was really interestingInteresting is an interesting
word to use, but it wasinteresting when my kids were
little to try and figure allthose pieces out.
So I know, like those of youguys who are still in the
trenches with little ones,that's a big piece of it and you
(31:01):
know, making sure that you arehonoring that time, like
honoring those pieces ofyourself.
It can be really hard becauseyou're sort of like living for
the kids, right, but you reallydo need to honor that internal
urge as well, listen to your gutand listen to your intuition,
because, yeah, that's going tolead you where you want to go.
(31:24):
It's hard to listen sometimes,but it's very important.
So if you need that reminder,that's your reminder that I
wanted to chat really quicklybecause that's just kind of part
of the show about this littlemagical ingredient I like to
call manifestation, right.
So how do you weave that in toachieving big dreams and goals?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I might have a spicy take for you, my friend.
So I think it was.
It was pre COVID, so it was atleast like five or six years ago
.
I was part of hosting a likenew year planning vision
boarding event and I was doingmore of the planning, strategic
side, and then I had somebodythat I was presenting with um,
(32:07):
like she, she was doing thevision boarding side and then I
was coming along with thestrategy side and I remember
doing the vision board and I wascutting out the magazines and I
was doing the thing and I waslike, oh, this looks so pretty
and this is so cool.
And then I remember lookingaround you know the facility
that we were at all thedifferent women that were there,
and some of them I noticedright after finishing the vision
board it was like, okay, yeah,my job's done, like cool, this
(32:29):
is what's going to happen thisyear.
And I was like no.
I was like no, no, no.
And they were like, yeah, I'm,I'm, so bear with me while I
tell the story.
So then they're like, yeah, I'mmanifesting it.
That's all I have to do.
I just have to sit here andthink about it.
I just have to look at it.
I just have to put it there andlike, think about it every day
and look at it every day andlike that's the thing and it's
so beautiful and it's exactlywhat I want.
(32:50):
And I was like I'm out of here.
I was like this is not.
I was like let me, adam, guys,when is my planning time?
I was like no, no, no, no, no,I'm not about the manifestation,
I'm not about that.
Like that's too woo, Like it'sabout hard work, like no, sorry
guys, that's not how it worksout.
You can't just, like, you know,have a fart and a prayer and
(33:12):
hope it comes true.
Like no, I'm not going to putmy dreams on that.
And then, after meeting many,many, many different people, I
met this woman who, it was likein brief meeting, brief meeting,
and I don't even think sheremembers who I am.
But she changed the trajectoryof that thought and she was like
yeah, that's only like step oneof like six or seven.
And I was like, yeah, I know.
(33:34):
And she's like, yeah, but it'sabout this and this and this and
this.
And I was like, oh, here we go.
And it was such a goodmerriment of like the left and
right side brain and, to useyour analogy, it's so much of
both and that's the camp that Isit in.
So do I believe on quoteunquote manifestation where you
just sit and think about it?
No, I don't.
(33:54):
I think that that's a bit of acrock of BS and that's a little
spicy.
Feel free to come at me, butI'm like no, it takes way more
than that.
Yeah, that is step one.
It is getting clarity on, likethat big picture, that vision
board.
Yes, have that vision, paint it, make it five senses.
What are they going to feel?
Like Smell, like Taste, likeSound, like All of those things?
Yes, and then, like you weresaying before, that reverse
(34:16):
engineering and a lot ofmanifesting, I think is about
the preparation, meetingopportunity, and it's not just
waiting for opportunity to comealong, it's doing the steps that
you need to have thepreparation, meet that
opportunity and the manifestingpart, the quote unquote.
You know, vision boarding thatmost people call manifesting.
(34:36):
That is just getting the filteron to look for the right
opportunities.
It has nothing to do withactually finding the
opportunities, preparing forthem and continuing to edit that
vision as it unfolds, becausethat's a big part of it too.
You'll often find things arecoming into your lap when you've
started to prepare it and itfeels like magic.
But it's not.
It's like that combination ofboth.
So, yeah, that's my spicy take.
(34:58):
I am in that camp, but onlywith the caveat of that
preparation meeting opportunity.
But both things do need to bethere.
If you're just slogging awayand trying to find opportunities
and do things that way, that issuch a hard way to go and then,
like we talked about before,you end up burning out because
you're not clear on what it isthat you want to do and you're
not aware of what it is you wantto bring into your life and
(35:18):
what you want to let go of, andyou're continuing bad patterns
and things like that.
So, yeah, I'm a big fan of both.
They both have to be the same,yeah, no you.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I don't think it's spicy at all, I think it's a
very real take and I think it'sa very needed conversation, to
be honest with you, because I dothink that that's why you know
manifestation right, like it's avery overused word, like
mindset, like it's a very likebig umbrella and it's overused
thing and and it is, it has beenoversimplified online,
especially Right.
(35:54):
But like, yeah, I'm a bigbeliever.
That's why my show is calledthis right, try it.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Like I believe in both of these.
I'm real big into like strategyand science, like I said,
digging in and finding meaningand like, okay, well, well, what
is like?
And that was what led me downthat path of like certifications
that I have like NLP anddifferent life coaching
modalities, because it's like,okay, well, what's the science
behind this?
You know, because there isscience behind manifestation
(36:21):
putting it in quotes because itreally is energy and frequency.
I really do believe that we haveto have both.
Like you just said, it's gritand optimism, right?
It's belief, yes, you havebelief and you've got to like
really believe that you can doit.
But the belief alone isn'tgoing to bring it to you unless
you take that inspired action,until you put yourself in the
place of being that version ofyourself you envision, right?
(36:45):
Yeah, it's all about thatfeeling.
You said it taste, it, smell,it, feel, it be it be about it.
Like beyonce says be about it.
You can't just think about it.
That's why affirmations justdon't work on their own, like,
yeah, you can put as manyaffirmations up as you want on
your wall, but if you don'tbelieve, them happen.
So I love that you brought thatinto it, because I feel like
(37:06):
it's a very importantconversation to have.
And, yes, I am, I'm very woo,but also you're both there's,
I'm both and and I really dobelieve, like you know, even
like inside of that claritymethod that I teach, like
there's pieces of all of that inthere, because all of these
little pieces have to like, likeyour friend says, like that's
just the first step.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yes, exactly, exactly , and I feel like manifesting
gets such a bad rap, like yousaid, like people are using the
term colloquially, or they'reusing it casually, or they're
just talking about like, oh, I'mjust going to pull an
affirmation card every day andI'll, I'll be a millionaire, and
it's like I hope that for you,but I don't think that's likely
if that's the only thing thatyou're doing, you know and it
breaks my heart to have peoplebe swindled by that or have
(37:49):
other people pushing or peddlingthat.
So, yeah, I like my spicy take,I like your spicy take of it is
both.
It's step one of many and it isa crucial step.
It's not to be disregardedeither.
It's not to be thrown out youknow, don't throw the baby out
with the bathwater Like it'sstill very important to have all
of that there, and I thinkthere's a certain part of life,
really that is magic that wecan't explain and it is about
(38:12):
embracing those wildopportunities that you know.
You're like, wow, I never in amillion years would have planned
that this would have fallen inmy lap, but it has, and I've
prepared and I'm organized andI'm I'm ready to take advantage
of this opportunity.
Like it's both of those thingshappening together and that's
where that magic sauce happens.
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, I mean, I truly like I wouldn't be, I wouldn't
be sitting here right now, likeif I hadn't opened up to the
possibility of what if right,because, like you'd have told me
when I was in my early twentiesthat I would end up being a
photographer and a coach, and Iwould have looked at you like
you were crazy, like no, those,those weren't even on my list of
500 things I wanted to do,right.
(38:49):
So like I'd have been like no,that's not, that's not one of
the many.
But it happened because I thinkthat I opened up to these what
ifs, that I call them like right, like well, okay, well, that
kind of is scratching an itch,that I really like I'm having
fun doing this.
So I wonder, I wonder wherethis is going to take me.
Not even when I started takingphotos, it wasn't because I
(39:12):
wanted to start making moneyright away.
Like I did it because it feltgood.
It was a great creative outletwhen my kids were babies.
My son has autism.
He didn't talk until he wasfive and I was like so
interested in what was going onbehind those big eyes of his and
I was like the camera waspointed at him constantly and so
it just led to other thingsalong the way, right, and so I
(39:35):
feel like that's a big piece ofit.
Is that follow these creativeurges too?
You know, if you've got theselittle itches and you know
insights and gut feelings,there's problems and why they're
there, and even at the end ofthe day, if it's not for you to
make a big business out of it,it's there to serve a creative
purpose which I think is alwaysgonna lead you to some good
(39:55):
stuff.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, that's often a conversation I have with my
clients too of is this a passion, that is a hobby, or is this
something you need to monetize,or is this something you need to
scale right?
All something you need tomonetize, or is this something
you need to scale Right?
All of those things are verydifferent, but they're all
worthwhile pursuits.
There is nothing.
None of them are better orworse than the other.
They are all there for a reason, and I think life is meant to
(40:16):
be enjoyed.
I think passion, and followingthose breadcrumbs of curiosity,
is a worthwhile pursuit of joy.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, absolutely, I love it.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
This was a great, great, greatconversation, which I knew it
would be.
You've got so much to share andI am very excited about our
panel coming up.
So tell people where you liketo connect.
If it's not on social, wherecan they find you and any other
information you want to drop inthere.
(40:42):
I'll put all the links.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Yeah for sure.
Well, definitely join us at thesummit.
Renee is going to knock it outof the park, I know it, and
she's on a really stacked panelwith other incredible business
owners that have many passionstoo.
So it's the multi potentiallight summit.
It's happening April 28th 2025.
So feel free to learn moreabout it.
You can find everything youneed at my website, which is
tayloralorcom.
(41:03):
There's a contact page.
It goes right to my inbox and Iread and reply to every single
email.
That's where I'm at, so feelfree to hang out with me there.
That's where I spend my time,and it's not on socials.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
All right, thank you again.
So much for being here.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Thanks for having me, it was so fun.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I told you guys you were going to love her.
She and I have so much incommon and I'm so grateful that
our paths crossed and I'm superexcited about her panel.
So you can find all theinformation below.
I'm going to link everythingfor you guys and also be
reminding you as well as we getcloser to that, april 28th, but
for now I just want you toremember, as Taylor beautifully
shared today, you don't need tosacrifice your creativity or
(41:42):
your sanity to achieveincredible things.
Trust your intuition, honoryour flow and keep building your
dreams in a way that feelsaligned to you.
Don't forget about thatstrategy part, and you know
where to find us if you needhelp with any of that.
Let me know how today's episoderesonated with you.
You can hit me up over onsocial at Renee Bowen.
You can DM me or you can alsoemail me, renee, at Renee
(42:03):
Bowencom.
And, of course, I would loveand appreciate a rating and a
review from you as well, and youcan do that.
Rate this podcastcom slash,renee Bowen.
Thanks again for tuning in.
I hope you guys have a greatrest of your day and week.
Love you Bye.
But I think for most businesses you could find a way
to get creative around it.
And if you think about it, itwas only like a sneeze ago in
the timeline of humanity thatthere was no social media and
there were successful businesses.
And there were successfulbusinesses even in the online
world before social media reallystarted to boom and blossom.
And there's lots of businessesnow that are successful that are
(00:21):
not on social media.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Welcome to Tried and True with a dash of woo, where
we blend rock solid tips with alittle bit of magic.
I'm Renee Bowen, your host,life and business coach and
professional photographer atyour service.
We are all about gettingcreative, diving into your
business and playing withmanifestation over here.
So are you ready to getinspired and have some fun?
Let's dive in.
If you're listening to thispodcast, chances are you are
(00:50):
creative and you probably havefelt or maybe you're feeling
like this right now that you'retorn between a million creative
ideas, excited by all of them,but also worried that you'll
never be able to get it all donewithout losing your mind.
Yeah, if that's you, you're notalone.
But what if I told you youcould build a thriving,
fulfilling, profitable businesswithout the burnout, without the
(01:14):
overwhelm and also withouthaving to be chained to social
media at all, if that's yourchoice?
My guest today is Taylor Aller,and we are going to talk all
about these things.
Taylor is a small town girl andall about that
multi-potentialite life.
She is a six-figureentrepreneur, a TEDx speaker, a
(01:35):
massage therapist, an educatorand a consultant.
She's based in British Columbiaand she's the co-founder of the
P2P Summit, and she's always upfor something fun.
She's also a mom of two littleones and she and I met inside of
a really amazing mixer mind,and I'm also going to be
(01:55):
participating in her upcomingpanel in April that I'm going to
tell you guys all about we talkabout in today's episode.
Taylor is bringing together awhole bunch of us
multi-potentialites and it'sgoing to be a really amazing
panel you guys are definitelygoing to want to tune into.
When she's not balancingmultiple projects or
strategizing new ways to supporther clients, you can find
(02:15):
Taylor soaking up all of thebeauty of the Pacific Northwest
with her small family.
She's got lots of great nuggetsfor you guys in this
conversation, so let's just diveright in.
Hey, Taylor, Okay, so youdescribe yourself as a
multi-potentialite balancinglots of projects which we're
going to dig into along withyour family, your kids, all the
things, and it's a lot that uscreatives can identify with.
(02:39):
I deeply resonate with all ofthat, and it can also lead to
burnout, so I want to just startoff by asking you, first of all
, thanks for being here and,second of all, I want to start
by asking you how you do allthis without burnout and without
using social media.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, thanks for having me, renee.
I'm so excited to chat with you.
It's been so fun getting tointroduce each other to each
other's worlds and, yeah, thanksfor having me.
So, yeah, I do a lot of things,but if I were to boil it down
into one sentence about how I doit all without burning out
because I get that question allthe time is that I don't do
everything at once and I don'tdo it by myself.
(03:14):
If both of those boxes are notchecked, it will lead to burnout
.
In my experience, it certainlyhas.
And social media oh, do I havea spicy relationship with social
media.
I've been off social media,personally and professionally,
since 2019.
So we're going on like sixyears now and business is still
thriving.
I'm still thriving.
(03:34):
Family's still thriving.
We've popped on, I thinkcollectively, four times in the
last six years to announce thatwe're pregnant and to announce
each baby.
That's it, and that's onlyafter.
Of course, we've let all of ouryou know intimate friends and
family know.
But yeah, it's been quite awild ride.
I'm sure we're going to pull itapart, but ultimately not doing
(03:55):
it all at the same time and notdoing it by yourself.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, that's a really good point, Cause it's kind of
one of the things I like to sayto people is like, yeah, you can
do all the things right, butprobably not at once.
Especially like if you're,there's a lot of different
things that overlap.
So what was like a turningpoint for you where you realized
there's a better and ahealthier way to achieve my
goals.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Oh my God.
Yeah, there's actually a veryspecific moment and I talk about
this in my Ted talk actuallywhere I had hit massive burnout.
I was simultaneously trying tobe a specialist in like three
different areas.
I was a professional level hiphop dancer.
I was traveling internationallylike six to 10 times a year,
competing.
I was a registered massagetherapist working at a clinic,
(04:40):
practicing out of a clinic, Ithink, like five to seven days a
week.
I was just starting my careeras an educator.
I was being a teachingassistant for like four
different classes at the college, all while trying to do this at
the same time.
And I recently got engaged andwas planning a wedding and we
got a dog, a rescue dog Ifanybody here rescues dogs, you
know it's just a roll of thedice and our Luna was a
(05:03):
challenge.
So it was all of it.
It was all of it all at onceand I'm kind of laughing about
it and poking fun now that I'vehad many years since then, but
in all honesty, it was probablyone of the lowest points of my
life.
I was having incredibledigestive and health issues.
I was having massive mentalhealth issues.
We were huge amounts in debt.
It was just not fun all the wayaround, and I was running
(05:25):
myself into the ground and therewas a day that I, like could
not physically get out of bedand I was like this is awful.
And I don't know if anybodylistening has had that moment
where you've just hit the walland you're like I don't know if
I'm ever going to be able to getup, like what have I done?
And I knew it was all my fault,you know, and I'm going through
this shame spiral.
So, needless to say, I'm doingwhat I do to cope, and that is
like falling down the YouTuberabbit hole.
(05:46):
So I'm there with the likesatisfying art compilations and,
like the cat and dog videos,like trying to find some
semblance of peace, and I'mreally having a hard time.
And I stumbled across a videothat had Elizabeth Gilbert.
She's the author of Eat, pray,love, big Magic.
You know she's fantastic andshe was doing a talk about
finding your passion, likefinding the thing that lights
(06:08):
you up, and I was like man, likeI'm sitting there struggling,
like I thought I found mypassion, and like I have 14 of
them and like oh, like, whichone is the one?
I'm trying to do all of them,and like it's not working and
I'm trying to do them all at thesame time and I'm trying to do
this all by myself and I'mkeeping everything separated.
I'm doing, quote unquote, whatI'm supposed to be doing and
this feels terrible and I'm notsuccessful.
I'm a failure right now.
(06:29):
And then she said something inthat video that changed my life
forever and she ultimatelyboiled it down to there's two
types of people in the world.
There are jackhammers, whichare specialists.
They are people who know whatthey want to do from like the
moment they exit the womb.
And she is a jackhammer.
She's like I knew from a littlegirl I just wanted to write.
Everything was in the serviceof writing.
I would waitress to write, Iwould do these things to write.
(06:51):
That's all I ever wanted to do.
And then she was confused, likewhy doesn't everybody else have
this thing?
And when she was looking aroundher she realized, ah, there's a
second type of person.
So type of person.
So, outside of the jackhammer,there's the hummingbird.
And the hummingbird their jobis to cross-pollinate the world.
Instead of having incredibledepth of knowledge, they have a
breadth of knowledge.
They have half degrees startedbusinesses, international living
(07:14):
and pursuits and all of thosepeople around her were those
hummingbirds.
And in that moment I was like,oh my God, finally, that's me,
I'm a hummingbird.
And I was like sobbing, uglycrying.
I called my husband.
I'm like, babe, I'm ahummingbird.
And he's like if you're a bird,I'm a bird, like the notebook
(07:35):
thing.
I was like no, not quite Likeyou know, kind of sort of.
But anyways, when I calmed downthe snot enough to explain what
I was talking about, he waslike no, like you're a
hummingbird with a jackhammer.
Because I'm a full asser, likethere's no half-assing allowed.
I jump in with both cheeks,yeah, everyday, you too.
So, anyways, that was the momentI was like hitting this burnout
and I realized I'm ahummingbird and what that
realization gave me really waspermission to stop trying to
live outside of myself.
(07:56):
Like nothing felt right.
I knew it didn't feel right.
I kept trying to push throughit and it just wasn't working.
And that moment opened my eyesto like, wow, there's a whole
other way of living.
So that turned the momentum inthe other direction and I
started, you know several yearjourney of finding a
multi-potentialite,multi-passionate community,
finding the resources, the books, experimenting with different
business models and trying tostructure my life experimenting
(08:18):
with different planning andstrategy models and I finally
kind of cracked the code a fewyears ago now.
And now I help other people dothe same thing and it's a lot of
fun.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Ah, your story is so awesome.
Like I absolutely I mean I'mnot awesome in the fact that you
, you know, felt so terrible, Idon't mean that but I think that
it's awesome in a way that Ithink a lot of us can identify
with I know I can for sure, andI've actually never heard her
speak about that.
Like that's so fascinating tome because, yeah, you know, my
husband's one of thosejackhammer, like he basically at
(08:48):
seven, told his parents I wantto be an actor at seven, you
know like who does that?
And I remember when we met wewere in our twenties and it was
like one of our firstconversations that we had and he
was telling me this and I justlooked at him like he was an
alien and I was like, okay, hereI am with like my degree in
(09:09):
psychology, I'm a massagetherapist.
You and I have that in commonyes, we do.
And I was like, and I want todo like at least 500 other
things, like I think I want towrite a book, I think I want to
do this, I think.
And he was like, okay, and Ijust remember feeling like am I
broken?
Like why do I want to do allthese things?
(09:30):
And it's so interesting becauseI also have been in those
places of like, yeah, ahummingbird with a jackhammer,
because it's all or none, I'mgoing to go all in.
And I think what you touched onis so universal for those of us
who also are like that, thatshame spiral of well, I didn't
do it, perfect, I didn't do itall the way, and so obviously
(09:50):
I'm a suck, I'm a failure, blah,blah, blah.
And that is a really hard placeto get out of I have found.
And so I kind of want to speakto that for a second, because I
know a lot of people in mycommunity are dealing with this
and they may be in like variousstages of this burnout and they
may actually be in like physicalstress burnout Cause I know
that, you know it does take atoll on your body, like you said
(10:13):
, like can't get out of bed andyour body actually can shut down
, like really big believer inthat mind body connection, and I
think that you are too as amassage therapist.
You see it, you know we do holdthings in our body and the body
does keep the score not toquote the book, but it's true.
So I want to kind of speak tothat for a second, and I know
that this is part of what you doand why you're passionate about
(10:35):
teaching other people aboutthis.
If someone is in that placeright now, right, what is one
piece of advice, like what?
What's the first step for themin that process of climbing?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Oh, there was one.
Yeah, I'm going to see if I cancondense it into one sentence.
Um, I think it would be.
Firstly if, if you are in thatplace of burnout because you're
like Renee and I and you werethat that kiddo at two that was
like, oh, I want to be 800little things.
And then that never changed,you know, and that never changed
(11:06):
for me either.
Like you know, I remember at 13or 14, it was like, okay,
Taylor, but what's the one thinglike you can't, you can't
actually do five differentthings, and I was like watch me
and I did, and it led to likeburnout, right, Multiple times.
But if you are in that place ofburnout because you have that
same hummingbird nature, youhave that same
(11:27):
multi-potentialite stress, thefirst thing I would suggest is
to stop playing the specialistgame.
Give yourself permission to notbe the expert and to not do it
the way that the world hasstructured success to look like.
You know, embrace that part ofyou.
It is not broken.
You are not broken.
There is nothing wrong with you.
(11:48):
You have the potential of manydifferent lives, not just one.
And it's more about a strategythan it is about something being
wrong with you, and for me,that's what that hummingbird
video changed in me.
I was like, wow, there isactually nothing wrong with me,
Because I felt like there was.
I felt like I was flaky, I feltlike I didn't know what I was
doing.
I felt like I was confusingpeople all the time.
(12:09):
I was confused all the time.
You know, I got so manycomments of like, oh, you're a
lot, aren't you?
Or like, what else are youdoing?
Oh, you didn't finish that.
Oh, another thing.
You quit, Like it was like no,no, I am not a failure, and how
I want to live my life has to bedone in a way that is strategic
, and it took years for me to dothat and to then finally have
(12:29):
the success on the others, likeyou know, to be debt-free, to
have an income, to have a family, to have that balance.
It's like, oh, finally, and nowI can go back and show all those
people see, there is a way todo it.
But it started withunderstanding that I am not
broken.
But it started withunderstanding that I am not
broken.
It is the structure and thesystem for success for
entrepreneurs.
That is only one dimensionaland I am a three dimensional
(12:53):
business owner and that means Ihad to do more work and craft my
own way.
But that didn't mean there wassomething wrong with me.
It meant that there wassomething wrong with that system
and that expectation.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Oh, that's good.
Yeah, no, it's a really bigpart of it.
Right Is like giving yourselfpermission to just be you.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
That's all of you.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yes, like every piece and really embracing it.
You know, I think that's why Ione of my special interests is
self-development, right, because, like I got that psychology
degree, because at a very youngage I was like what is going on
with me and how can I find outmore, and so I feel like a lot
(13:33):
of, a lot of us really needed toprobably hear that, right, like
, give yourself the grace andlet yourself off the hook to
like to be you Also.
You talk a lot about you blendstrategy right goal setting Also
.
You talk a lot about you blendstrategy right Goal setting,
strategic goal setting specificwith this intuition and flow,
which are two things that a lotof people would think are polar
(13:54):
opposites.
But can you walk us through howyou blend those two aspects in
planning?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, I'll walk you through like the high level of
it, because what I do with myconsulting clients all looks
completely individual.
Every multi-potentialite hassuch a unique puzzle of
interests and theirintersections are completely
unique to them.
So their blend of, likestrategy and intuition or gut
feeling, it's going to bedifferent, to be different.
(14:26):
But high level, I look a lotand we'll talk about this later.
I'm sure the reverseengineering part of things, but
it all starts with what yourvalues and your priorities are,
because, regardless of what yourinterests or passions may
happen to be in this currentseason or maybe were in the
previous season or going to bein the next season, your values
and priorities are generallypretty stable, especially your
values.
So I always recommend startingthere and that starts with like
(14:48):
that gut feeling.
Right, it is like what is trulyimportant to me.
If I had to narrow it down tolike two or three things that I
really value in this season oflife, in the next 10 years of
what I'm living, what would thatbe?
Am I valuing my creativity?
Am I valuing my autonomy?
Am I valuing my family?
My valuing my autonomy?
Am I valuing my family, myhealth, my wealth?
(15:09):
You know, what is it that I'mvaluing and really pushing
yourself to narrow it down whichis very hard, uh to just two or
three things, and that is thatconstant gut check, because if
what you're doing is not inalignment with those values,
you're never going to do itright.
Or you're going to do it,you're going to half-ass it, or
you're going to quit, or it'snot going to work out, or this,
it doesn't matter the strategyyou apply on top of it.
(15:29):
If it doesn't apply to yourvalues, it's not going to be
effective.
And I'm all about beingeffective.
So it starts there.
It's listening to your heartand to your gut and figuring out
what really matters to you andthen building on your values.
It's determining yourpriorities.
So what is it that is apriority for you?
And sometimes it's the samething.
I value my health and my healthis a priority.
(15:50):
But often, if I were to lookback at the last three weeks to
three months of somebody'scalendar, they'll tell me their
values and I'll look at theircalendar and I'm like, wow, none
of them have been a priorityyou know we'll see all these
other things that sneak theirway in there or things you feel
like you quote unquote should bedoing, like social media, for
example, or like these otherthings, and they're not in
alignment and that leads to alot of that emotional stress or
(16:13):
burnout.
You know that constant fightingagainst that part of yourself.
So that's where I would start.
And then the strategy on top ofthat.
It all kind of builds andstacks, but you need one step
before the other.
So start with your values,layer on your priorities for the
next season.
Then you really get to start toget creative with the
strategies that you want toemploy, with the different
passions you have around that.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Love.
Yeah, no, that's a really big,important part, because people
think that they're doing thatright, like you said.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Well, they start usually like the bottom up.
They start with strategy first,and then they try to like,
squeeze their priorities in, andthen they're like, oh, is this
in alignment with my values?
Well, whatever, I have theperfect strategy.
And it's like, oh, no that'snot going to work.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Well, you also mentioned the should right, like
they think that they should be.
Like you know, they think maybesocial media or whatever should
be a part of it, but at theheart of it is it is it really
for you?
And maybe haven't even.
They haven't even stopped toreally truly assess like what is
right for them.
I feel like that's very common.
I see a lot in my coaching toois they're just sort of like
(17:08):
doing what they've been taughtor think they should be doing in
order to have this.
But again, like you said in thebeginning, that sort of like
system isn't meant for everybodyand it's really important to
like step back and get thatawareness of what is actually
important to you, because that'swhere it starts.
(17:30):
So, yeah, I love that.
And you have something I wantto talk a little bit about your
make it happen planner method.
Is that part of this process aswell?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
That's where it starts.
It's listing out those valuesand your priorities and it's
reverse engineering the nextfour years of your life.
But the biggest chunk of it isfiguring out your values and
priorities because, like we saidbefore, it doesn't matter what
planning strategy you have orwhat app you're using, what tool
you're using, you know.
None of that matters unlessit's in alignment first.
(18:01):
So the biggest steps and likethe meatiest part of it is
determining that.
Then you get to build thestrategy off of it and then you
get to plan it out.
So it's not a scheduling tool,it's a planning tool.
It is listing out those biggoals, those big milestones you
want to achieve in the next fouryears, because a lot can happen
in four years.
Right, you could have a kid ortwo, you could have a degree,
(18:21):
you could move internationally acouple of times, you can start
a business or two or three, likethere's so many things that can
happen in that period of time.
But it's also short enoughwhere you could think back to
four years from now and you'relike, oh yeah, that wasn't that
long ago.
So it's a nice digestibleperiod of time, even though it
feels long, and then it kind ofwhittles everything down into
the next year.
So it starts with that kind ofhigh level four years, and then
(18:43):
you figure out out your nextbest step, and then it keeps
breaking it down from years toquarters, to months, and then
you get to take it to yourweekly planner and then however
you want to schedule, it is yourbusiness, but you'll have the
plan regardless.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, that's really similar to how I like just like
I have something that I call theclarity method and that's
that's very, very similar tothat.
It's like you got to know whereyou want to go.
You got to get some clarity onlike what that is, and then I'm
all about reverse engineering.
I don't know, maybe it's justthe way our brains work, but it
really like it feels really goodto me to do that, and then you
can get very granular with thenow when you backtrack, like
(19:19):
that.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
So that's a perfect word for it.
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah.
So let me ask you do you thinkthat every entrepreneur, online
entrepreneur or like everyperson is able to build a
business off of social mediaright now?
Like I just want your likesideways, take on that.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Every, every business .
No, because some businesses arecentered around social media,
right.
So if I were to exclude thatcategory or have that as a
caveat, I would say that mostbusinesses could if they wanted
to, if it wasn't centered aroundtheir niche, right?
If they weren't, you know,trying to be a content creator
or something like that, whereyou would have no choice but to
(19:57):
post that content somewhere,right?
Or if they're being like asocial media manager or
something of that nature, oreven a VA to a certain degree.
But I think for most businesses, you could find a way to get
creative around it and if youthink about it, it was only like
a sneeze ago in the timeline ofhumanity, there was no social
media and there were successfulbusinesses, and there were
(20:18):
successful businesses even inthe online world before social
media really started to boom andblossom.
And there's lots of businessesnow that are successful that are
not on social media, right.
So I think it's also beingstrategic with how you do that
and you can have social media bea part of your strategy.
I don't personally do this, butsome of my clients do, where
social media is a part of theirmarketing and distribution
channels.
It's part of their funnels, butthey aren't the ones that
(20:40):
manage it, create it or doanything of it.
They outsource it right.
So there is a way to have asocial media free existence or
operating but still have that bea part of your business model.
If that's required of you andyour niche or if you want to
have that as part of your puzzle, it's definitely an opportunity
there.
But that by no means disregardsthe opportunity to just have it
not be a part of there at all.
(21:00):
Yeah, I'm evidence of it.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, and I mean, you're one of a few people that
I've just recently come intocontact with and we both belong
to a mixer mind and there's afew of you guys in there who
don't use social, and you knowI'm pretty chronically online,
so you know, for me that's verydifferent and I'm like, oh,
that's so interesting.
Now I don't just rely on socialmedia.
(21:24):
I definitely talk about there'slots and lots of other ways SEO
and word of mouth andconnection and all of those
things really really matter.
Email I use it as part of thesystem.
I think it's really interestingthat I've just recently come
into contact with people whoreally don't use it at all, like
you, and are still able tobuild these six figure plus
(21:46):
businesses without it, and Ilove that you're finding a way
to do that.
It really shows that you'rejust in alignment to me.
That's.
That's what it feels like to me.
It's like I mean, if socialfeels in alignment to you, okay,
that's great, but I see a lotof people in in what I do who
really really detest it likedetest it and don't want to be
(22:09):
on and so, and it also I feellike a lot of us creatives, a
lot of us.
You know, spicy brains, like Ilike to call us.
We are very prone to thenegativity out there as well.
Like a lot of us are a littlemore sensitive, that can really
really start to have a negativeeffect on just everything.
(22:31):
I'm a big believer that how wefeel it's going to show up in
our business.
If you feel really negative andyour energy is really low and
your frequency is really low,then how are you showing up for
your business, for yourself, foryour family?
So if you're listening andthat's something that resonates
with you, I just kind of wantedto add that in that, there's a
very big possibility that youcan do this without it, or you
(22:54):
can just get really creativewith it and and at the end of
the day, if, if what you need todo is outsource it, then
there's a way to do that as well.
There's always a solution in inin my mind.
Like that's one of my I thinkone of my superpowers is like
I'm going to find-.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I was just going to say that I was like that is the
superpower of themulti-potential light is like
there is always like just giveme 30 minutes to 30 days and I
will come back with an answer.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Literally, it's like I can dig into this.
This is like so fun to me.
Like I literally feel like it'sfun and a challenge.
So if you're having a hard timewith that, you know there's
other people who can help you doit too.
Like sometimes you just needlike somebody to brainstorm with
, but I do believe that there'ssolutions to all of that.
I want to talk a little bitabout what are some of the
things that you are doing rightnow.
(23:39):
I want to talk about the panelthat you're going to be doing in
April, because I'm a part of it, but not not just because of
that.
I think it's such an amazingidea, so talk to me a little bit
about how did you get that idea?
What made you want to do this?
You are so organized, by theway, like you guys understand.
Like you know, she asked me tobe a part of this and I was like
yeah, absolutely.
(23:59):
And I mean like it's all there,like I don't have any questions
, like it's, you're so organizedwith everything.
So how did that come about?
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Thank you for that compliment.
I will take that.
I haven't always been anorganized person, so again, this
comes with that strategy piece.
When it's in alignment, it'sthere, but yeah, now, that's all
I do.
I'm so organized I think as amom, you kind of have to be.
Anyways, how did it all comeabout?
It came about because it's thegap that I'm seeing and I have
capacity at this moment now tofill it.
So I'm all about it, right, Ithink the journey of being not
(24:31):
on social media.
There's so many pros that comewith it, right, and we can all
immediately they're right thereat the front of our mind, right?
Especially if, like you tocircle back to what you said,
renee if you're that person,that's like.
I detest opening up Instagram.
I detest looking at that, like,create a post button.
I detest having to go into theDMs, like whatever that is.
Of course, on the flip side,there's all those positives.
(24:51):
I don't have the apps on myphone, I don't log into them, I
don't have that time suck.
I don't have that distraction.
I don't feel negative aboutmyself, my body, my kids, my
husband, my house, like I do inother ways, but social media is
not adding to that right.
So you know all of those prosare there, but there are cons
too.
And there is a big con for me,particularly as an introvert, is
(25:14):
that I make connections withpeople one-on-one and really
deeply, and that's why not beingon social media works for me,
because I get to do that andthat's a huge part of how I run
my businesses.
Like you said, referralmarketing, affiliate marketing,
email marketing you know all ofthese different things are a
part of what I do.
Network marketing is massiveand then I leverage other
connections too.
But not being on social media,I'm missing out on that
(25:37):
community at your fingertips oflike, hey, has anybody used this
app before?
How do you use it?
Oh, hey, does anybody have areferral connection for you know
this city, this town, thisstate, this province, this
country?
Oh, hey, I'm traveling overhere.
Does anybody have anyrecommendations for this, this
and that it is very challengingfor me to get that kind of like
pulse check.
I have to do a lot of effort tobe able to do that, whereas,
(25:57):
like friends of mine, they'relike oh, I'm just going to post
up with a quick responses andI'm like, oh, my God, I have to
like individually text, like allthese people, or I have to call
these people or I have to liketoss it out to my email list.
You know these types of things.
So there's that big con and Iknow, as an introvert and
somebody that has multiplepassions, there's a lot of
people just like me that arealso struggling with that, and
(26:27):
so I have two kiddos, a daughterwho just turned four and my
son's going to be two in lessthan a month, and I haven't had
the capacity to fill this gap.
When I first noticed it, it wasabout probably 18 months after I
went off.
Social media is when I reallystarted to feel that loss of
community and I was like, man, Ireally, really want to get back
in that.
But then I'm in the thick ofhaving babies and I was like not
right now, right, it's thewhole.
I can do anything I want, notall at once and not by myself.
So that was that, not all atonce.
(26:47):
So after my son turned a year,around 18 months, I felt like,
okay, yeah, I'm back on my feetagain.
I finished my mat leave, I wentback to you know all the work
that I was doing.
I was like, okay, this is good.
I think I have capacity to dothis this year, and then joining
the mixer mind, like we talkedabout, which is where I found
you and so many other wonderfulfolks, but that really pushed me
to go.
Now is the time.
Now I'm going to do this andI'm not going to do it by myself
(27:09):
.
I'm going to connect with allthese other people that have had
the joy and the opportunity toconnect with.
I'm going to toss it out tothese other communities that I
am a part of and see who wantsto join this mission with me.
So, yeah, it came from a gap.
I see that, selfishly, I wantto fill for myself, but also the
clients I work with, the peoplethat I meet all the time.
We're wanting some of thatdeeper connection and that
(27:30):
support to find othermulti-potentialites just like us
.
So you know, having a couple ofpanels, having case studies
showing people what this lifelooks like from people who've
cracked the code for themselves.
So I'm really excited to do itand I'm so excited to meet so
many people and to you know pushout of my introvert comfort
zone and get to connect with abunch of people all at once.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
That's going to be.
It's going to be so awesome.
Yeah, I will definitely let youguys know about that when it
comes up.
But, yeah, I'm super excited tobe a part of it too.
For all those reasons, it'sgoing to be so, so fun.
And you're right, I'm anintrovert too, which a lot of
people were like, really, I'mlike, yeah, no, I'm like no 100%
, like I can do this, but I haveto do it in spurts, right, and
(28:12):
so that's another thing aboutknowing yourself.
Like I really big on thatself-awareness tool, like, okay,
yeah, I know that I have.
I'm a two four also in humandesign.
I wonder do you know your humandesign?
Are you into that at all?
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Um, a little bit.
I know I'm a um, what is it?
Manifesting generator yeah,yeah, Right.
Everyone's like oh, I can smellit coming.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, I got.
I can tell that now I'm agenerator and that's a similar
energy type, like it's just thatyou know you're the spicier
version a little bit in a lot ofways, right, but it's it bit in
a lot of ways, right, but it's,it's a similar thing.
But a two four is really aninteresting sort of profile line
, because the two is the hermit,the two is the one.
Like, I got to go in my cave.
I need to like, I need time bymyself, I need to honor the time
(28:57):
alone.
That's where I recharge, that'swhere.
I like my energy.
But the four is community.
I, I rely on community forliterally everything and it's
like that's such a juxtaposition.
It's like the introvert theextrovert like, and my whole
life I felt like that, Like I'vebeen in spurts of like oh yeah,
I, let's go to that party,let's do this, and I'm super
(29:20):
excited to connect and meetpeople.
And then there are times whereI'm like absolutely not, I do
not want to go, no, thank youCancel.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Wow, that's so cool.
I don't know if I'm a two, four, but that resonates.
Yeah, yeah, and I enjoy people,but, like you said, like I
don't gain energy from crowds ofpeople.
One-on-one, those deeperconversations, oh, I could do
that all day long, you know.
And being by myself, I could dothat also all day long.
But yeah, as much as I enjoybeing in community and being
(29:48):
around bigger people, it ittakes a lot out of me.
I need a lot of recharge timeby myself to be able to do that.
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Especially when you have little kids too, like
you've got going on.
I mean, I had three kids underthe age of two and I started my
photography business when, likeI think, the twins were almost
five, when I really took itseriously.
I mean, I was dabbling for awhile.
I was still doing massage anddoing photography and trying to
(30:15):
see how I could segue into that.
And being married to ah, hypercreative Like my husband is, you
know, he's definitely beenlaser focused his whole life on
what he wanted.
But he is like an incrediblycreative person, like he can
draw, he can act, he can direct,he can write.
You know he's a filmmaker.
Like it's just all right, brainstuff, right.
(30:39):
So it's a very unpredictablesort of crazy life.
So it was really interestingInteresting is an interesting
word to use, but it wasinteresting when my kids were
little to try and figure allthose pieces out.
So I know, like those of youguys who are still in the
trenches with little ones,that's a big piece of it and you
(31:01):
know, making sure that you arehonoring that time, like
honoring those pieces ofyourself.
It can be really hard becauseyou're sort of like living for
the kids, right, but you reallydo need to honor that internal
urge as well, listen to your gutand listen to your intuition,
because, yeah, that's going tolead you where you want to go.
(31:24):
It's hard to listen sometimes,but it's very important.
So if you need that reminder,that's your reminder that I
wanted to chat really quicklybecause that's just kind of part
of the show about this littlemagical ingredient I like to
call manifestation, right.
So how do you weave that in toachieving big dreams and goals?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I might have a spicy take for you, my friend.
So I think it was.
It was pre COVID, so it was atleast like five or six years ago
.
I was part of hosting a likenew year planning vision
boarding event and I was doingmore of the planning, strategic
side, and then I had somebodythat I was presenting with um,
(32:07):
like she, she was doing thevision boarding side and then I
was coming along with thestrategy side and I remember
doing the vision board and I wascutting out the magazines and I
was doing the thing and I waslike, oh, this looks so pretty
and this is so cool.
And then I remember lookingaround you know the facility
that we were at all thedifferent women that were there,
and some of them I noticedright after finishing the vision
board it was like, okay, yeah,my job's done, like cool, this
(32:29):
is what's going to happen thisyear.
And I was like no.
I was like no, no, no.
And they were like, yeah, I'm,I'm, so bear with me while I
tell the story.
So then they're like, yeah, I'mmanifesting it.
That's all I have to do.
I just have to sit here andthink about it.
I just have to look at it.
I just have to put it there andlike, think about it every day
and look at it every day andlike that's the thing and it's
so beautiful and it's exactlywhat I want.
(32:50):
And I was like I'm out of here.
I was like this is not.
I was like let me, adam, guys,when is my planning time?
I was like no, no, no, no, no,I'm not about the manifestation,
I'm not about that.
Like that's too woo, Like it'sabout hard work, like no, sorry
guys, that's not how it worksout.
You can't just, like, you know,have a fart and a prayer and
(33:12):
hope it comes true.
Like no, I'm not going to putmy dreams on that.
And then, after meeting many,many, many different people, I
met this woman who, it was likein brief meeting, brief meeting,
and I don't even think sheremembers who I am.
But she changed the trajectoryof that thought and she was like
yeah, that's only like step oneof like six or seven.
And I was like, yeah, I know.
(33:34):
And she's like, yeah, but it'sabout this and this and this and
this.
And I was like, oh, here we go.
And it was such a goodmerriment of like the left and
right side brain and, to useyour analogy, it's so much of
both and that's the camp that Isit in.
So do I believe on quoteunquote manifestation where you
just sit and think about it?
No, I don't.
(33:54):
I think that that's a bit of acrock of BS and that's a little
spicy.
Feel free to come at me, butI'm like no, it takes way more
than that.
Yeah, that is step one.
It is getting clarity on, likethat big picture, that vision
board.
Yes, have that vision, paint it, make it five senses.
What are they going to feel?
Like Smell, like Taste, likeSound, like All of those things?
Yes, and then, like you weresaying before, that reverse
(34:16):
engineering and a lot ofmanifesting, I think is about
the preparation, meetingopportunity, and it's not just
waiting for opportunity to comealong, it's doing the steps that
you need to have thepreparation, meet that
opportunity and the manifestingpart, the quote unquote.
You know, vision boarding thatmost people call manifesting.
(34:36):
That is just getting the filteron to look for the right
opportunities.
It has nothing to do withactually finding the
opportunities, preparing forthem and continuing to edit that
vision as it unfolds, becausethat's a big part of it too.
You'll often find things arecoming into your lap when you've
started to prepare it and itfeels like magic.
But it's not.
It's like that combination ofboth.
So, yeah, that's my spicy take.
(34:58):
I am in that camp, but onlywith the caveat of that
preparation meeting opportunity.
But both things do need to bethere.
If you're just slogging awayand trying to find opportunities
and do things that way, that issuch a hard way to go and then,
like we talked about before,you end up burning out because
you're not clear on what it isthat you want to do and you're
not aware of what it is you wantto bring into your life and
(35:18):
what you want to let go of, andyou're continuing bad patterns
and things like that.
So, yeah, I'm a big fan of both.
They both have to be the same,yeah, no you.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I don't think it's spicy at all, I think it's a
very real take and I think it'sa very needed conversation, to
be honest with you, because I dothink that that's why you know
manifestation right, like it's avery overused word, like
mindset, like it's a very likebig umbrella and it's overused
thing and and it is, it has beenoversimplified online,
especially Right.
(35:54):
But like, yeah, I'm a bigbeliever.
That's why my show is calledthis right, try it.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Like I believe in both of these.
I'm real big into like strategyand science, like I said,
digging in and finding meaningand like, okay, well, well, what
is like?
And that was what led me downthat path of like certifications
that I have like NLP anddifferent life coaching
modalities, because it's like,okay, well, what's the science
behind this?
You know, because there isscience behind manifestation
(36:21):
putting it in quotes because itreally is energy and frequency.
I really do believe that we haveto have both.
Like you just said, it's gritand optimism, right?
It's belief, yes, you havebelief and you've got to like
really believe that you can doit.
But the belief alone isn'tgoing to bring it to you unless
you take that inspired action,until you put yourself in the
place of being that version ofyourself you envision, right?
(36:45):
Yeah, it's all about thatfeeling.
You said it taste, it, smell,it, feel, it be it be about it.
Like beyonce says be about it.
You can't just think about it.
That's why affirmations justdon't work on their own, like,
yeah, you can put as manyaffirmations up as you want on
your wall, but if you don'tbelieve, them happen.
So I love that you brought thatinto it, because I feel like
(37:06):
it's a very importantconversation to have.
And, yes, I am, I'm very woo,but also you're both there's,
I'm both and and I really dobelieve, like you know, even
like inside of that claritymethod that I teach, like
there's pieces of all of that inthere, because all of these
little pieces have to like, likeyour friend says, like that's
just the first step.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yes, exactly, exactly , and I feel like manifesting
gets such a bad rap, like yousaid, like people are using the
term colloquially, or they'reusing it casually, or they're
just talking about like, oh, I'mjust going to pull an
affirmation card every day andI'll, I'll be a millionaire, and
it's like I hope that for you,but I don't think that's likely
if that's the only thing thatyou're doing, you know and it
breaks my heart to have peoplebe swindled by that or have
(37:49):
other people pushing or peddlingthat.
So, yeah, I like my spicy take,I like your spicy take of it is
both.
It's step one of many and it isa crucial step.
It's not to be disregardedeither.
It's not to be thrown out youknow, don't throw the baby out
with the bathwater Like it'sstill very important to have all
of that there, and I thinkthere's a certain part of life,
really that is magic that wecan't explain and it is about
(38:12):
embracing those wildopportunities that you know.
You're like, wow, I never in amillion years would have planned
that this would have fallen inmy lap, but it has, and I've
prepared and I'm organized andI'm I'm ready to take advantage
of this opportunity.
Like it's both of those thingshappening together and that's
where that magic sauce happens.
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, I mean, I truly like I wouldn't be, I wouldn't
be sitting here right now, likeif I hadn't opened up to the
possibility of what if right,because, like you'd have told me
when I was in my early twentiesthat I would end up being a
photographer and a coach, and Iwould have looked at you like
you were crazy, like no, those,those weren't even on my list of
500 things I wanted to do,right.
(38:49):
So like I'd have been like no,that's not, that's not one of
the many.
But it happened because I thinkthat I opened up to these what
ifs, that I call them like right, like well, okay, well, that
kind of is scratching an itch,that I really like I'm having
fun doing this.
So I wonder, I wonder wherethis is going to take me.
Not even when I started takingphotos, it wasn't because I
(39:12):
wanted to start making moneyright away.
Like I did it because it feltgood.
It was a great creative outletwhen my kids were babies.
My son has autism.
He didn't talk until he wasfive and I was like so
interested in what was going onbehind those big eyes of his and
I was like the camera waspointed at him constantly and so
it just led to other thingsalong the way, right, and so I
(39:35):
feel like that's a big piece ofit.
Is that follow these creativeurges too?
You know, if you've got theselittle itches and you know
insights and gut feelings,there's problems and why they're
there, and even at the end ofthe day, if it's not for you to
make a big business out of it,it's there to serve a creative
purpose which I think is alwaysgonna lead you to some good
(39:55):
stuff.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, that's often a conversation I have with my
clients too of is this a passion, that is a hobby, or is this
something you need to monetize,or is this something you need to
scale right?
All something you need tomonetize, or is this something
you need to scale Right?
All of those things are verydifferent, but they're all
worthwhile pursuits.
There is nothing.
None of them are better orworse than the other.
They are all there for a reason, and I think life is meant to
(40:16):
be enjoyed.
I think passion, and followingthose breadcrumbs of curiosity,
is a worthwhile pursuit of joy.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, absolutely, I love it.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
This was a great, great, greatconversation, which I knew it
would be.
You've got so much to share andI am very excited about our
panel coming up.
So tell people where you liketo connect.
If it's not on social, wherecan they find you and any other
information you want to drop inthere.
(40:42):
I'll put all the links.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Yeah for sure.
Well, definitely join us at thesummit.
Renee is going to knock it outof the park, I know it, and
she's on a really stacked panelwith other incredible business
owners that have many passionstoo.
So it's the multi potentiallight summit.
It's happening April 28th 2025.
So feel free to learn moreabout it.
You can find everything youneed at my website, which is
tayloralorcom.
(41:03):
There's a contact page.
It goes right to my inbox and Iread and reply to every single
email.
That's where I'm at, so feelfree to hang out with me there.
That's where I spend my time,and it's not on socials.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
All right, thank you again.
So much for being here.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Thanks for having me, it was so fun.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I told you guys you were going to love her.
She and I have so much incommon and I'm so grateful that
our paths crossed and I'm superexcited about her panel.
So you can find all theinformation below.
I'm going to link everythingfor you guys and also be
reminding you as well as we getcloser to that, april 28th, but
for now I just want you toremember, as Taylor beautifully
shared today, you don't need tosacrifice your creativity or
(41:42):
your sanity to achieveincredible things.
Trust your intuition, honoryour flow and keep building your
dreams in a way that feelsaligned to you.
Don't forget about thatstrategy part, and you know
where to find us if you needhelp with any of that.
Let me know how today's episoderesonated with you.
You can hit me up over onsocial at Renee Bowen.
You can DM me or you can alsoemail me, renee, at Renee
(42:03):
Bowencom.
And, of course, I would loveand appreciate a rating and a
review from you as well, and youcan do that.
Rate this podcastcom slash,renee Bowen.
Thanks again for tuning in.
I hope you guys have a greatrest of your day and week.
Love you Bye.
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