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Jenn Cohen shares powerful insights on recognizing when we're ignoring our intuition and practical strategies for clearing mental static to access our inner wisdom. We explore the subtle differences between fear-based thinking and intuitive guidance, revealing how to discern what our intuition is really telling us. And also:
• Five signs you're ignoring your intuition: anxiety, irritability, carelessness, short-temperedness, and burnout
• How to tell the difference between fear and intuition through bodily sensations
• Practical strategies for reconnecting with your intuition including nature immersion and breath work
• The importance of noticing intuitive hits without judgment when they happen
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We all have had those energy vampires that just kind
of suck us dry.
That's not what our intuitionis there to serve us with, and
so, by understanding that myintuition is coming in with the
highest, most loving, mostbeneficial messages for the
(00:20):
greatest good, you can alreadyfeel the difference there.
And that's what's going to comein, because that is what you
are asking for, and they willnot give you anything that you
are not asking for.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Welcome to Tried and True with a dash of woo, where
we blend rock solid tips with alittle bit of magic.
I'm Renee Bowen, your host,life and business coach and
professional photographer atyour service.
We are all about gettingcreative, diving into your
business and playing withmanifestation over here.
So are you ready to getinspired and have some fun?
Let's dive in.
Hey friends, welcome back totried and true with a dash of
(00:59):
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Today's guest.
You guys, I'm talking with JenCohen today and we have a really
interesting and awesomeconversation all about how to
know these five signs andactually probably a little bit
more than five signs that you'renot paying attention to your
intuition, and how to get backinto alignment with that.
(04:57):
After a life-changingexperience in her 20s, jen
explored how intuition couldshape her life and her career.
She spent 27 years in theentertainment industry and she
found that intuitive decisionsoften led to success, and so now
, as an intuitive consultant,she helps individuals and
organizations as well unlocktheir potential, gain clarity
(05:21):
and achieve their goals throughpractical intuition-based
strategies.
So her work fosters growth,creativity and purpose in both
personal and professional realms.
Jen and I are super aligned.
We have a phenomenalconversation about all things
intuition, how to really hone inon that, how to know when
(05:41):
you're not operating from aplace of intuition, and how that
really relates to strategiesand business as well.
So let's dive in.
Hey, jen, thanks so much forbeing here today.
I'm really excited to chat withyou about intuition and five
signs that we're ignoring ourintuition.
I wanted to just start reallyquick, though.
Dive right in and find out likewhat brought you to this
(06:04):
journey with Intuit.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, first of all, it's great to be here, so nice
to be on your show.
I love it.
I'm a regular listener and geta lot from not only you but of
(06:32):
things that might notnecessarily be what we're taught
to see and what we're taught tolook at, to have a family that
encouraged that.
Even though they were educatorsand in education, teachers and
counselors, they reallysupported my way of looking at
(06:56):
the world.
And I had a tragedy with my dadpassing when I was at a young
age.
Um, uh, and he came to me thenight of his funeral and, uh,
with, with the signal of um,some lights flashing.
I was, I was lying on on hisside of the bed and it was pitch
(07:16):
black in the room and it wasjust kind of calling out and the
light flashed on and off and onand off and I asked if that was
him.
The light flashed on and offand on and off and that really
signaled to me that there were.
You know, I knew on some levelthat there was something that we
couldn't see, touch, taste,hear, feel, and that was my
(07:42):
entry point really into trustingin that in a way that I could
see physically.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, no, I love that because it was like sort of
like one of those undeniablelike okay, is this really
happening?
I'm interested too, like hadyou had glimmers of things like
that happened to you before thatand you were just sort of like,
yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, it was.
It was, it was great to have asupportive family.
But you know, as as with all ofus, we're taking cues from our
culture, we're taking cues fromother children at that time and
you know, I would say somethingand I kind of get like a funny
look and that stays with you.
And so it was doubt, and Iwasn't always ready to speak up
(08:29):
about that, and there was a partof me that would then say, oh,
I'm an introvert.
Or people would say she's anintrovert, she's an introvert.
And once I was able to have fulltrust in that knowing.
It was like I'm an introvertaround people that I don't
really share this knowledge with, but I'm pretty much an
(08:52):
extrovert when I get aroundpeople that I can talk about
this really freely and openly.
And so it was finding my tribe,it was finding people.
And then I discovered I worked27 years in the entertainment
industry and I discovered that,you know, I could connect with
people on this in a way thatthey were timid to bring it up.
(09:17):
And so having that trust,having that belief, having that
knowing allowed doors to openfor others to feel more
comfortable talking about it,which is so gratifying.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, no, I get that, I totally get that, Like I
definitely self-identify as youknow, I think I am an introvert
at the heart of all of this, butit makes a huge difference.
I think it's more of just that.
I just don't have, maybe,patience or desire for small
talk about silly weird.
You know what I mean.
It's like let's get into likethe real stuff, Totally, like
(09:55):
when people are like, okay, Ican go there with you.
That sounds fun to me.
So, absolutely, absolutely,yeah.
So I want to.
(10:16):
All, right, let's get into thiswhole the signs.
You're ignoring, yourAbsolutely, absolutely much
overthinking, right With thesecreative, spicy brains and
anxiety or whatever it is gotgoing on, and so it can be
really hard for a lot of peopleto discern.
So, yeah, what do you think?
Those signs?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
are yeah.
So before we get into the signs, it's really important to
recognize.
You know, in our brain we havetwo hemispheres the left
hemisphere, the right hemisphere.
The left hemisphere is criticalthinking.
It's linear, based Intuition,can only live in the present
moment.
That's on the right hemisphere,and that's the creative
(10:56):
thinking brain.
The left hemisphere is, it'sreally fear-based, it's looking
for, it seeks differences andit's looking for ways to judge
and to be very cautious.
And then the right side of thebrain, the creative thinking,
where intuition lives, onlylives in the present moment and
(11:16):
it's very expansive.
It's also non-verbal and it'sflexible, it's compassionate,
it's imaginative and it'scurious.
And so it's just.
It's a good starting point toremember that we have these two
hemispheres of our brain thatare really looking to connect
(11:37):
with one another and work as awhole brain.
And what happens a lot of timesin especially the environment
that we're living in right now,is that the left brain because
it's pretty much where societyhas taught us to operate from
takes over and it becomes thatportion that is the bully of
(11:58):
your right brain, and so thiscan show up in anxiety when
we're anxious.
When I was in my corporate jobtowards the end, when I knew
that I was really ready to getout, but just needed a little
bit more time for myself to makethat jump.
Irritability, oh my God.
(12:20):
I would say everything is soirritating.
I would say everything is soirritating and that was
something I remember when Ifinally decided to take the leap
.
I said to a friend.
I said I'm just so tired ofbeing irritated every moment
Prone to making mistakes.
Carelessness is another signthat's moving too fast.
(12:43):
That's kind of you know, I'vegot to do this, I've got to do
that.
Your mind has your left brainhas taken over.
You're looking at either youknow something in the future or
worrying about something in thepast, ruminating on that.
You're not in the present.
Short-tempered, beingaggressive is also a good sign
that you're not in yourintuition.
(13:14):
And the last one, which I thinkthat's six, but I'll say it
anyway is when you're stressedout.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, and burnt out right Like that level of burnt
outness.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
That is a lot and so, yeah, I mean, it can be really
hard to, especially, like yousaid, you know, we can't control
very much of what's goingaround, you know, around us and
in the world.
We can control our actions andreactions and things like that,
but I feel like a lot of us are,we do tend to like default to
(13:49):
that, that reactive state a lotas well, especially if you're
online a lot and, like you said,like that left brain, we have
been sort of programmed to valueit, I think, in just in various
ways.
Right, and how do you then?
Okay, so we can recognize,right, like, so these are some
(14:09):
of the things that are coming upfor you.
Um, then you start to recognizeall right, I'm, I might not be
operating from the place of my,my highest good.
Let's say, what would yousuggest as that next step in
diving deeper Sure?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, the first, like you just mentioned, is it's
awareness, and that's thatyou've probably had this or your
listeners have probably hadthis, where you know you have
had five fights, imaginaryfights before you become aware.
Like my gosh, I just wentthrough five different scenarios
(14:52):
with different things or peopleand I'm super tense.
It's awareness.
This happens to me in theshower when I was about to go
into work, where it's like ifthis person says this you know,
dah, dah, dah, dah, dah and andI would catch myself and the
quicker I practice or the more Ipracticed it, the quicker I
(15:16):
would catch myself.
So then it went down to maybethree fights and then it went
down to a half of a fight.
And how I would combat thatjust in the moment very quickly
is I would just switch.
And we all know about gratitude.
It's out there, everyone talksabout it and there's a reason
that everyone talks about it isit just quickly gets you out of
this kind of fight or flightstate and it gets you in that
(15:38):
present moment.
So just in the shower, forexample, it was I'm so grateful
for this warm water, I'm sograteful for this soap, I'm so
grateful for my arm that I'mlathering up.
I mean it can just be really,you know, quick, and then it
just gets you out of that.
So that's one way to get out.
And then for, like we mentioned, carelessness or making you
(16:02):
know making careless mistakes,that's simply slowing down and
our breath is our greatest asset.
The body follows the mind andthe mind follows the breath.
So if we can just take someclear breaths and what I really
like to do is make an audiblesigh as I breathe out, it, just
(16:23):
it again.
It kind of vibrates in yourbody and allows your body to
know we're clear, we're goodhere, and it gets you out of
that fight or flight state,short-tempered, aggressive.
You might just need to gooutside for a minute.
You know nature is I say it'sthe ultimate sage.
(16:46):
You know being outside, youknow if it's a sunny day, just
you know, just basking in thesun, kind of feeling it on your
skin, it allows you again thepause in order to get away from
the irritable situation thatyou're in, and allows you to
focus on nature, focus on what'saround you and take some deep
(17:10):
breaths.
And when you're able to do that, there's a signal that I like
to do, which is I just kind ofcall in my intuitive self and as
I breathe in, it's almost likeyou see a light coming down
through your head and into yourthroat and then into your heart,
and like you can just sigh out.
But then you can.
(17:32):
I use a phrase and it sayswe're here and we would like to
share with you and in thatmoment it's kind of like you've
given over your frustration andyou're trusting what's coming
through is for your greatesthighest good.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
And that phrase really resonates yeah, that's
really, that's very powerful.
I think that's a really greatum strategy for people to think
about, because I don't, I thinkit's a little bit and I love how
you put we you know we're hereright, because it does it takes
(18:14):
like you and your ego and likethe self out of the equation.
Truly, I I mean, yeah, we'rewanting to tap in to that.
You know, deeper, deeper part,the I like to call it my higher
self or but at the end of theday, like, yeah, there's that.
Allowing, I think is justreally important because we do
(18:37):
live in such a reactive state Alot of the time.
It's really hard to beintentional with that desire to
receive the information and youkind of have to be sometimes.
You have to be reallyintentional with yourself about
that, you know, and just kind ofstop.
I always tell people like I hada come to Jesus moment with my
(19:00):
unconscious mind, you know, inmy closet, like when the, the
self-doubt, self-doubt or theimposter syndrome stuff starts
kicking in, it's like okay, okay, okay, Hang on.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Right, you know who's talking here.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, exactly Like.
Okay, so I like that that we'rehere.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Right yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
So I know a lot of my listeners, and myself included,
as a creative, just in general,you can deal with a lot of
self-doubt and imposter syndrome, especially if you're owning
your own business and you're outthere doing all the things and
trying to be the voice ofeverything in your business,
(19:40):
right?
So it can be really hard towear that low pressure.
How can we tell the differencebetween what is something that
is really fear like, what isactually something super
fear-based self-doubt, and ourintuition?
What's a really good way todiscern that?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Sure.
So when you're in fear, you cannotice in your body a
constriction.
You can notice your maybeshoulders are going up, but
everything feels really tightand it's almost like you know
you.
You see animals that are infear.
They, they'll almost stop for aminute and like just pause and
kind of look around and that'sthe.
That's the feeling that we feel, that we feel when we are in
fear.
(20:30):
And when you're in in yourintuitive state it feels very
expansive.
You know there's it's it'sconfidence and clarity versus
fear and uncertainty.
That's probably the best way tosee it.
And if you still can't, reallywell, is this confidence?
Is this confidence?
You know there might be.
(20:53):
There also can be a little bitof hesitation if you're a little
bit scared about moving out ofyour comfort zone, and so that's
a different kind of fear,because there's almost like a
little bit of excitement inthere as well, but fear of like
you're paralyzed, where youcan't move forward, that's very
(21:16):
constrictive.
That is telling you.
Okay, you have a story that youare continuously telling
yourself.
That is not only making thefear palpable, but every time
that you tell that story toyourself, you're tripling and
(21:36):
doubling and quadrupling thefear, and doubling and
quadrupling the fear.
And so when we can catch thatquickly and we can say it's
almost like you're making aU-turn back to yourself and you
can test yourself and you cansay, like I would say, jen, is
that fear true?
Okay, so if I decide to leavethis job right now, x Y, z is
(22:04):
going to happen.
And while I was leading up toleaving my job, I went through
that stage and I probably couldhave left about two to three
years before I did.
But when it was time to go, myintuition was like absolutely
not time to go.
My intuition was likeabsolutely not that fear, like I
had feared and, like you know,thought of all of the things
(22:28):
keeping me back for those two tothree years.
But when my intuitive self waslike now is the time go, it was.
I did not pause for one secondand it was the perfect time.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
And I feel like you know, I kind of always mentioned
this to people too is likethere's, there's power in the
piece, right Like so.
If you can tune into it and itfeels, like you said, any sort
of resistance, any sort ofChristian constriction, it's not
, it's not really the thing,right, but your intuition, like
you said, it's.
You know, I really believe.
(22:59):
But also, don't you think toothat the more you just like
anything else, the more youtrust it, the more you really
build that muscle of intuition,the easier it is to listen or at
least lean into.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Absolutely, absolutely.
You know, we in the knowingthere is no, as you know, the
typical language that we talk,and so it becomes where, if
(23:51):
people are questioning you onthat, it's just kind of like oh
well, that's how I'm going to doit, you know, that's me, you
know.
You know, that's me, you know,and and it it becomes less
resistant of how they're goingto react to how you move.
And that's where your intuitionis looking for your trust,
(24:13):
because how I move might not behow somebody else moves.
And and that's what's sobeautiful about our intuition is
it's custom to us.
It reaches us in the mostprofound ways that we are able
to get ourself into a place toreceive it.
(24:33):
It's not really our job to huntdown our intuition.
It's our responsibility to putourselves in a place to receive
it.
And that's very specific to you.
For me, it's nature Some peoplemusic, some people dancing,
some people singing, some peopledrawing, some people reading.
But how you are able to getyourself in that place, you will
(24:58):
know when you get that signal.
When you get that sign, and itis beyond doubt.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yeah, and I think too right, the key there is to
notice it when it happens, sothat you can really train your
unconscious mind to want more ofthat as well, because it's like
oh okay, let me stop for asecond, Because I feel like
there's been so many times Iknow in my own life where those
moments have really sometimeshappened and I'm I just sort of
(25:25):
like brush it over, right.
It's like you know you mighteven be busy or whatever, and
when you reflect back though,you realize, oh no, no, that was
actually a really powerfulmoment and so your intention is
is behind.
It is really important, I feellike as well, and noticing these
pieces.
So that's why one of the thingsthat I like to do nature is
(25:46):
definitely one of my strategiesas well for honing that
intuition.
But reflecting at the end ofthe day is really important for
me, because I do so much in aday.
I'm one of those people.
I just do a lot of things.
A lot of us do, and even thoughyou're doing a lot of things,
sometimes you can feel like youdidn't really accomplish that
much or do that much.
(26:07):
But if you are very intentionalabout no, no, let me just think
about what actually happenedtoday, and maybe it was this one
moment that came through, whenI was working with one of my
clients or something and takingout my highlighter, and
highlighting that for myself isreally important, because I want
more of that, right.
I want to focus more on thatand our unconscious mind is
(26:29):
going to believe whatever wetell it.
So if I'm constantly telling it, gosh, I really didn't
accomplish that much today, well, you know, it's going to, it's
going to look for more of thatand I want to be intentional
about the things that I didactually spend time on and when
these moments specificallyhappen, because I would like to
(26:50):
strengthen that.
So I think that that could be areally important piece of that
as well.
But let's talk a little bitabout like.
I know you work withorganizations and you know, in
some of the work that you do, um, specifically on how, how
intuition, like, can be used asa strategy, even for branding,
(27:11):
for marketing.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I have a lot of people who own their own
business listening to this.
Yeah, yeah.
So, um, the creative side ofour brain, I mean, it is such a
superpower for work, forcommunication, for inspiration,
for imagination.
You know you cannot create whatyou can't imagine and that
(27:37):
lives on the side of ourintuitive brain, of our
intuitive self.
And our intuitive self isconstantly, constantly knocking
on our door.
It's again, it's where we'reputting our attention.
And in business, you know, alot of times and I'll say
corporate, my experience washard skills and that is very,
(28:01):
very left critical thinking.
And we need that, trust me, weneed that.
And what I'm talking about it'snot saying, okay, left
hemisphere, go offline.
No, it's saying there's roomfor the right hemisphere to come
on, for the right hemisphere tocome on.
(28:25):
And you know, it's much morethe feminine side of the house
and, as we're moving into this,much more divine feminine time
and space, the value of what theright brain has to offer.
It's not only powerful in andof itself, but what it can guide
and help our left brain comeonline for.
And so it doesn't.
(28:46):
It's almost like the enginedoesn't have to rev so much when
we can incorporate mindfulnesstactics, when we can incorporate
things that in the past peoplewould call lazy, you know, and
unproductive when we are able toput just as much value on that
(29:10):
as the preparation, thePowerPoints.
You know the endless meetings.
You know when we can start tobalance that out.
We can not only become moreimaginative, more efficient,
more effective in how wecommunicate with people.
We can have more hours in ourday, essentially because we're
(29:33):
just, it's really.
You know, it depends on thecompany.
But, you know, sometimes peopleare like that's so woo-woo, and
you know, and it's just likeokay, is that?
You know?
(29:53):
Tell me your experience withwoo-woo.
You know, and working in theentertainment industry, a lot of
people say, well, I see deadpeople, it's the sixth industry.
A lot of people say, well, Isee dead people, it's the sixth
sense, you know, and it's justlike okay, no, nope, we're going
to redefine.
You know what intuition is andwe're redefining it in a way
that it's not scary and that youall know that you have it.
(30:14):
It's not something that witcheshave, it's not something that
women have.
So it's really, you know.
I'll have people say to me well, what if you don't have
intuition?
And that's the first debunk.
And so it's really an educationand it's also it's very easy to
(30:34):
tap into with the correct toolsyeah, yeah, and, and, um, and
when you do and this is kind ofgoing back to the previous
question I always like to say topeople um, when you get that
hit, when you get thatinspiration, when you get that
download, say thank you moreplease yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, that's that noticing of it because you do,
you have to like, do that, youhave to be intentional with.
Well, no, I would love more ofthat Like that was.
That was amazing.
Being appreciative and gratefulfor it in the moment too, like
you said before, is a super bigone for me.
And, um, you know, taking that,taking a minute to to recognize
(31:19):
, I think, a lot like for a longtime for myself personally, I
noticed that I was having theseintuitive downloads and all of
these things would drop in,let's say, in my late teens,
early twenties, and because ofmy own upbringing and
(31:41):
programming, that really doescome into play a lot.
I know you said you werebrought up in a very open place
with that, but a lot of peoplearen't.
And it can be very suppressed.
And not saying that doesn'tmean you have to come from a bad
experience with your family.
It just could mean that it'snot understood and not valued in
that way, and that was it's.
(32:01):
It's very much or, you know,brought up like myself and very
strict religious sort ofupbringings, and so there isn't
like a whole lot of room forthat in that space.
So I always remember feelinglike the black sheep, like a
fish out of water.
You know why was I alwaysquestioning the things that I
(32:26):
was taught?
I was like, but what if thereis?
And?
And so I think a lot of timesin those in that space in my
life and that time in my life,uh, it was easy for me to just
sort of sweep it away and, youknow, ignore it.
But the minute you sort ofmaybe you sort of like notice it
, it can also open up thefloodgates which can also feel a
(32:49):
little scary to people and Iwent through that as well.
It's like whoa, whoa, whoa,whoa, whoa, and so I do think
it's important to be veryintentional about that and to
let people know too, and youprobably see this a lot is to.
You can discern, you candetermine at what rate you would
like that to come in as well.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Absolutely.
It's like you can turn up thevolume, you can turn down the
volume.
You're in control of that.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
And I feel like a lot of people don't think that way,
at least, when they're justsort of like dipping their toe
into all of this, they kind ofhave this feeling of I'm not
going to be in control.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
That's not true and you are able to, like you said,
turn up the volume or not, anddecide yes, yes, and for me,
what I always do is I call inthe highest, most loving
vibrations.
I'm not here to pick upanybody's negative energy, I'm
(33:49):
not here to pick up, you know,just low energy.
We all have had those energyvampires that just kind of suck
us dry.
That's not what our intuition,just kind of suck us dry.
That's not what our intuitionis there to serve us with.
And so, by understanding thatmy intuition is coming in with
(34:15):
the highest, most loving, mostbeneficial messages for the
greatest good, that you canalready feel the difference
there.
And that's what's going to comein, because that is what you
are asking for, and they willnot give you anything that you
are not asking for.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yes, exactly, and it's so important to really
trust that you know that levelof um, I am always taken care of
, I am always supported andreally believing that so that it
kind of does it gets youthrough those, those periods.
But I mean, I can understand.
(34:51):
I can definitely understandthere being moments of a little
bit of, you know, fearfulnesshappening when, when it feels
like you don't maybe have thatcontrol, or especially like in
in the example you spoke of inthe very beginning, with the
(35:18):
lights kind of flashing on andoff right.
And you know, one in particularhappened at a place where I felt
like I was ready for it and Iwas like, no, no, this is good,
I'm good.
And then it amped upimmediately, quickly and a lot,
and I was like, absolutely not,I'm not okay with that.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I didn't mean that much.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, I don'tneed to hear words.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
So, like you know, it was like an actual, audible
voice, like it's a kind of longstory, but basically, yes, it
was like good with this, yes,you know, show me more, I'm
ready, whatever.
And then it was like, okay,hang on, I'm not quite there yet
, and so it's okay to you know,um, feel like you can, you know,
(36:08):
do that in the moment as well.
And I, I think that I feel likea lot of people have had
experiences, whether they'resubtle, whether they're not so
subtle, and it can, it cantrigger, you know, that feeling
of out of control and unable to.
(36:29):
You know, because us, as humans, we, we, we crave certainty and
we want control, some of usmore than others, for various
reasons, and so it can feel very, very scary.
But what would you say, youknow, to to someone listening
who is just sort of like dippingtheir toe in that and, you know
, looking for ways to reallydive deeper into it in a way
(36:51):
that feels safe and not quickly?
Basically, right.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah, sure, sure, it's funny.
I have a story kind of similarto you, but I was in a room with
two other people and somethinghappened and they ran out of the
room and I was like, oh, that'sso cool.
So I mean it.
You know, you set, you set thetone and it's really to answer
(37:29):
your question.
For some, for people that arestarting out kind of slow, I
would do this work in nature, Iwould do this work in near the
ocean, I would do this work nearthe ocean, I would do this work
outside.
I would really give yourself thespaciousness to feel the
elements and again, I'm notsaying go into like a torrential
(37:51):
rainstorm or anything like that, like a very peaceful outside
experience and calling in thatway.
And it's just a natural way foryou to be open to what's coming
in.
And when you decide to tune intoyour intuitive self, to your
deeper self, to your higher self, to the collective
(38:13):
consciousness, let's say youknow you can put parameters
around that you can say I reallywould like a gentle message, I
would like you know to to um,you can even say, if you want
signs, you know, um, I'm lookingfor a sign of a blue butterfly,
and that blue butterfly can bea cartoon, it could be an
(38:36):
animated, it could show upanywhere, it could be a painting
that you pass by.
But those are really very calmways to enter into this field,
to know that your intuitive selfis always there to help you.
It's always there to show youthe way, and it might not be
exactly the way that your ego isexpecting it to show up, but it
(39:02):
is the way that your spirit isguiding you to that answer.
And if you might not be justready universally to receive it,
it might introduce you tosomebody who then takes you on
the path to getting that answer.
And that's a very gentle waythat's not so harsh or jolting
(39:23):
to the body.
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, go at your own pace.
I feel like you know there'sdefinitely some times where you
want to possibly push yourselfout of your comfort zone and, uh
, possibly push yourself out ofyour comfort zone and growth,
you know, happens outside of itfor sure, but also, if it's
going to feel super scary, it's,it's probably going to have.
(39:49):
you know what I mean, likethat's not a great, a great
state to, to, to continue tostay in right, you don't want it
to trigger some stuff Rootingback down into that.
Peacefulness, I think, is areally important factor.
And so what are some ways?
I know you've talked aboutclearing the static in some of
(40:14):
your work, right?
So I know we talked aboutnature and things like that.
But what are the biggestsources of the static, do you
think?
And then how can, like,entrepreneurs, remove, remove
that?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
It's the stories we tell ourselves.
You know it is, oh my gosh,what?
What story are you tellingyourself?
Like that to me is.
I can fall prey to that very,very, very quickly, and I can
find things that support thatvery quickly, and so, yeah, so
(40:48):
there's mantras that I do everysingle day and they become like
exercises, they become thepractice.
When I notice myself overeating,that will be a trigger of like
okay, wait, what am I trying toavoid?
What am I trying to stuff down?
(41:10):
You know, that's a really good,all of these things that we,
that we are like ah, I want tostop doing that.
I want to stop doing that Ummany times.
They're great teachers in whatwe have to learn and they're
showing us, oh, you know what.
That's just a symptom that Ineed to pay much more attention
(41:33):
to my ego trying to get in theway of keeping me protected and
I put that in quotes, you know,because intuition has no reason
to keep you protected.
It's not here for smallness tokeep you protected.
(41:55):
It's not here for smallness.
And that greatness is the bigleap that we all, you know we're
like oh God, that seems soscary, but it's really for
everything that I've learned.
It's the, it's the scare that Ihave created in my head and and
it's the judgment of peoplethat I don't necessarily care
(42:16):
what they think.
Yeah, and then it goes into ohGod, but then I'm going to be
alone, I'm not going to have anyfriends, no one's going to be
able to take care of me, andthen that's that U-turn back
where it's like well, how's thatworking out for me now?
You know, okay, well, how's thatworking out for me now?
You know, okay, I'm kind ofjust, I'm living in this
(42:36):
protected small state so that Ican continue this relationship.
Hmm, that doesn't seem realright.
And once that flowing ofthought comes in, rather than,
you know, go ahead, grab thatsnack, sit on the couch and
binge Netflix.
You know again, totally fine todo.
Sometimes, don't get me wrong,love it.
(42:58):
But when it becomes that pattern, that's keeping you away from
what your intuition is trying tocome through for you.
That's when the anxiousness,the irritability, you know, the
carelessness, the stress comesin.
Just to circle back to how westarted.
But those things that we tendto do to soothe ourselves and
(43:24):
we've been taught to sootheourselves can really create that
static for our intuition, canreally create that static for
our intuition.
So it's finding those new waysto soothe ourselves a bubble
bath, a walk, music, a good talk, a deep talk with a friend, a
fellow introvert, but those arethe things.
(43:46):
And so it's an awareness, it'san awareness, and then it's the
willingness to just kind of callit out, and it doesn't mean
that you have to stop it, right,that second the work is just
calling it out at that moment.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah, I feel like that is the most important piece
of it.
Some sometimes too, because,like, especially if you're
living in that hypnotic state ofjust going about the motions
and having all of these, like wewere talking about in the
beginning, the symptoms of notlistening to the intuition, all
these things are going to happen.
(44:20):
And, yeah, that self-soothing,all of these, these quote,
unquote unhealthy things thatyou know, like you've already
you've had the consciousawareness that they're not
leading you to your best,highest good, and it is just a
little bit easier to continuedoing it, to stay on that loop,
because now it's a habit as well, but also it is.
(44:43):
It's that numbing right, it'sthe running, it's the fight or
flight, it's the flight, likeliterally, like, sort of like
running away from it and numbingto it.
And in the moment and I canspeak to it because I've done it
myself, I know how it feels itcan feel incredibly scary and
(45:07):
really uncomfortable to call itout and then to sit with it, but
it's also, I think, soimportant to remember if you're
listening, like calling it out,noticing it without judgment, is
this really big piece?
It's hard for a lot of us thathave a lot of like like I call
(45:30):
it, the nasty interceptor, right, so that that is not normally.
First of all, it's not yourintuition, but it's definitely
not even like you.
That's like those are otherpeople, um, usually from your
past, or instances orcircumstances that have happened
that got stuck in there, and sosometimes our first gut
(45:54):
reaction is to beat ourselves upfor it, especially if there's
something that you know you'vebeen trying to do and you want
to do, and you know it's goingto move you forward, and yet you
feel very, very stuck andparalyzed and you can't seem to
do it, especially if it comesinto terms with, if it's related
to putting yourself out there,being judged, perceived and all
of those things, which is supercommon especially with women
(46:16):
entrepreneurs in this space, itcan be really easy for you to
just beat yourself up for it andbe like, just get over it.
You suck that loop ofdestructiveness, and so noticing
that in that moment as well is,I think, a really powerful move
, because it is just what it is.
(46:36):
It just is.
It doesn't have to be good orbad, it doesn't have to be
anything.
It's like what you put on, itis what it's going to be.
So noticing it without judgment, like taking that charged
emotion out of it and just beinglike huh that's really
interesting.
I wonder where that comes from.
You know, and like allowingyourself to really lean into it
and just being like huh, that'sreally interesting.
I wonder where that comes from.
You know, and like allowingyourself to really lean into it
(46:57):
and lean into theuncomfortableness and sitting
with it.
That is something that a lot ofpeople have a hard time doing,
but there's so much power.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
So much power, so much power, and I'll and I'll
add, if, if you can, you know,catch that and sit with it for a
moment and hear what your egois telling you, which is, let's
just say, like you're lazy I'mjust going to use that as an
example and then you can say youknow what, what is a higher
vibration of this?
(47:24):
Oh, you know what you're selfsoothing Like?
Let's just say like, like youknow, you're, you're, you're
resting, you know, there's,there's a, there's a higher way
to look at that in a, in a muchmore compassionate way, like you
(47:44):
were talking about, than tolook at it.
And then it creates this spacewhere it's like, oh, you know
what I could also do, I couldalso go journal, I could get up
and you know, go, take care ofthis, but it just it doesn't
come down so hard on yourselfthat you don't want to do
anything else.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah, and the mantra that you mentioned.
Like the mantras, that can be areally powerful way to like,
first of all, many things, butlike also specifically deal with
that sort of lower vibrationstory.
That's because, uh, because youknow your unconscious mind is
going to believe whatever youtell it.
And so if, if you have a mantrathat you are like it's a
(48:28):
non-negotiable for you, that youeither use in the morning or at
night, or whatever, somethingthat is just, it's going to
embed, like, what are youtelling yourself and how are you
embedding that?
That's, I think, a really big,just piece of it, to stay on
track, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, absolutely yeah .
And a hack that I like to doand and, and I don't know if you
do it as well as record into myvoice memos and then listen
back before I go to bed, and Isay it three times, and there's
something about hearing yourselftalk back to yourself, right,
yeah?
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, I'm a big believer in that.
My husband has done that andhe's an actor and he's used to
hearing the sound of his voice.
Because I feel like a lot ofpeople when I tell people like
you know, get this mantra downto where you want it and then
record it, and they're like, ohGod, like no, I can never like
listen to the sound of my voice.
(49:23):
And I totally understand thatat first because it's like it's
going to trigger some otherthings, right, but there is a
lot of power in that.
I mean, my husband swears by it, like, honestly, he likes to do
it when he wakes up because andI think it's a great time to do
it too Find what works for youand your rhythm.
For me, I do like it beforenight, cause I like to program
(49:44):
my unconscious to do what I wantit to do while I'm sleeping,
like, okay, here's what we'regoing to work on and, yeah,
that's just the way.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
I like to do it, it's so cool.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yeah, you can.
You can tell it to do any allkinds of things.
And I also though you know Idon't have an issue sleeping,
Like that's not an issue for me,Like he's not, that you know he
has issues like sleeping, andso for him, coming out of a
(50:14):
deeper sleep and into theta islike a perfect time for him to
like put his headphones in andthen just listen to his mantra.
And I've talked about that alot on like social and also here
on the podcast, and I've heard,you know, some feedback from
people saying that was a reallygood tip.
Thank you for that, Because youmay not think about it on your
own, to like just record it, butand you may not want to, but
just try it.
Just try it and see how itfeels and listen.
(50:37):
No one else is listening to it,but you like remove the
judgment.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
You know what I mean.
That's right.
That's right.
It's an exercise in and ofitself of catching yourself.
Say oh, I hate my voice, waitno.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
There, that is just my voice, Right, right no, there
that is just my voice, right,right, your voice is.
You have a voice like howbeautiful you know exactly.
I'm grateful for it.
I'm glad I can speak.
I have language, like insomething even very small, to
say good about it and just keepdoing it too, because you will
become desensitized to all ofthat like the more you do it.
(51:12):
But, like you said, it's a goodexercise, just in general, and
so yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah.
So if you're saying that that'sthe barrier to doing it,
there's your work, right.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, thank you so much forbeing here.
I this is super fun.
I love going into all of thisand meeting like-minded people
as well.
I know you work with people atall different capacities, so
where do you like to connectwith them?
I'll put all of this in theshow notes so that people can
(51:44):
find you.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Fantastic.
My website's a great place tocheck me out Jen J-E-N-N Cohen
C-O-H-E-N.
Intuitivecom, and I'm also onInstagram at Jen Cohen intuitive
Perfect.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Awesome.
Well, thank you again.
This was awesome.
Thank you, thanks again, jen.
That was awesome.
That was so insightful.
I loved those reminders myself.
It can be really hard sometimeswhen the world is crazy and
when things are busy and youjust have a lot going on, it's
super easy to fall back intothose old patterns, habits,
(52:20):
programs.
I have found myself reallyhaving to double down on all
things mindset right now and Ithink this was a really awesome
reminder for many of us,including me, because, remember,
your intuition is never goingto feel fearful.
It's not going to make you feelconstricted, it's going to feel
(52:43):
expansive.
It might feel uncomfortable,but you can see that there's
growth on the other side of it,like you can feel it, and
there's power in the piece rightLike really tune into your own
intuition.
Make it a habit to reallystrengthen that and to get
really good at knowing whatfeels good, what doesn't, and
trusting yourself, because youknow you really do know.
(53:05):
So, whether it's like apersonal decision or something
to do with your business, yourintuition is there to help you
and to guide you and it's notsomething to be afraid of.
I loved the little strategiesthat she gave us in this episode
and I hope that you guys foundthis super valuable, as always.
If you did, let me know.
(53:26):
You can always rate and reviewthe podcast at rate.
This podcastcom slash ReneeBowen.
That's the easiest way to do itbecause you can just access any
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.
Your feedback is so veryappreciated.
Thanks again for joining mehere and I hope you have a
(53:47):
beautiful week.
Love you, bye.
We all have had those energy vampires that just kind
of suck us dry.
That's not what our intuitionis there to serve us with, and
so, by understanding that myintuition is coming in with the
highest, most loving, mostbeneficial messages for the
(00:20):
greatest good, you can alreadyfeel the difference there.
And that's what's going to comein, because that is what you
are asking for, and they willnot give you anything that you
are not asking for.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Welcome to Tried and True with a dash of woo, where
we blend rock solid tips with alittle bit of magic.
I'm Renee Bowen, your host,life and business coach and
professional photographer atyour service.
We are all about gettingcreative, diving into your
business and playing withmanifestation over here.
So are you ready to getinspired and have some fun?
Let's dive in.
Hey friends, welcome back totried and true with a dash of
(00:59):
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(04:37):
right.
Today's guest.
You guys, I'm talking with JenCohen today and we have a really
interesting and awesomeconversation all about how to
know these five signs andactually probably a little bit
more than five signs that you'renot paying attention to your
intuition, and how to get backinto alignment with that.
(04:57):
After a life-changingexperience in her 20s, jen
explored how intuition couldshape her life and her career.
She spent 27 years in theentertainment industry and she
found that intuitive decisionsoften led to success, and so now
, as an intuitive consultant,she helps individuals and
organizations as well unlocktheir potential, gain clarity
(05:21):
and achieve their goals throughpractical intuition-based
strategies.
So her work fosters growth,creativity and purpose in both
personal and professional realms.
Jen and I are super aligned.
We have a phenomenalconversation about all things
intuition, how to really hone inon that, how to know when
(05:41):
you're not operating from aplace of intuition, and how that
really relates to strategiesand business as well.
So let's dive in.
Hey, jen, thanks so much forbeing here today.
I'm really excited to chat withyou about intuition and five
signs that we're ignoring ourintuition.
I wanted to just start reallyquick, though.
Dive right in and find out likewhat brought you to this
(06:04):
journey with Intuit.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, first of all, it's great to be here, so nice
to be on your show.
I love it.
I'm a regular listener and geta lot from not only you but of
(06:32):
things that might notnecessarily be what we're taught
to see and what we're taught tolook at, to have a family that
encouraged that.
Even though they were educatorsand in education, teachers and
counselors, they reallysupported my way of looking at
(06:56):
the world.
And I had a tragedy with my dadpassing when I was at a young
age.
Um, uh, and he came to me thenight of his funeral and, uh,
with, with the signal of um,some lights flashing.
I was, I was lying on on hisside of the bed and it was pitch
(07:16):
black in the room and it wasjust kind of calling out and the
light flashed on and off and onand off and I asked if that was
him.
The light flashed on and offand on and off and that really
signaled to me that there were.
You know, I knew on some levelthat there was something that we
couldn't see, touch, taste,hear, feel, and that was my
(07:42):
entry point really into trustingin that in a way that I could
see physically.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, no, I love that because it was like sort of
like one of those undeniablelike okay, is this really
happening?
I'm interested too, like hadyou had glimmers of things like
that happened to you before thatand you were just sort of like,
yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, it was.
It was, it was great to have asupportive family.
But you know, as as with all ofus, we're taking cues from our
culture, we're taking cues fromother children at that time and
you know, I would say somethingand I kind of get like a funny
look and that stays with you.
And so it was doubt, and Iwasn't always ready to speak up
(08:29):
about that, and there was a partof me that would then say, oh,
I'm an introvert.
Or people would say she's anintrovert, she's an introvert.
And once I was able to have fulltrust in that knowing.
It was like I'm an introvertaround people that I don't
really share this knowledge with, but I'm pretty much an
(08:52):
extrovert when I get aroundpeople that I can talk about
this really freely and openly.
And so it was finding my tribe,it was finding people.
And then I discovered I worked27 years in the entertainment
industry and I discovered that,you know, I could connect with
people on this in a way thatthey were timid to bring it up.
(09:17):
And so having that trust,having that belief, having that
knowing allowed doors to openfor others to feel more
comfortable talking about it,which is so gratifying.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, no, I get that, I totally get that, Like I
definitely self-identify as youknow, I think I am an introvert
at the heart of all of this, butit makes a huge difference.
I think it's more of just that.
I just don't have, maybe,patience or desire for small
talk about silly weird.
You know what I mean.
It's like let's get into likethe real stuff, Totally, like
(09:55):
when people are like, okay, Ican go there with you.
That sounds fun to me.
So, absolutely, absolutely,yeah.
So I want to.
(10:16):
All, right, let's get into thiswhole the signs.
You're ignoring, yourAbsolutely, absolutely much
overthinking, right With thesecreative, spicy brains and
anxiety or whatever it is gotgoing on, and so it can be
really hard for a lot of peopleto discern.
So, yeah, what do you think?
Those signs?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
are yeah.
So before we get into the signs, it's really important to
recognize.
You know, in our brain we havetwo hemispheres the left
hemisphere, the right hemisphere.
The left hemisphere is criticalthinking.
It's linear, based Intuition,can only live in the present
moment.
That's on the right hemisphere,and that's the creative
(10:56):
thinking brain.
The left hemisphere is, it'sreally fear-based, it's looking
for, it seeks differences andit's looking for ways to judge
and to be very cautious.
And then the right side of thebrain, the creative thinking,
where intuition lives, onlylives in the present moment and
(11:16):
it's very expansive.
It's also non-verbal and it'sflexible, it's compassionate,
it's imaginative and it'scurious.
And so it's just.
It's a good starting point toremember that we have these two
hemispheres of our brain thatare really looking to connect
(11:37):
with one another and work as awhole brain.
And what happens a lot of timesin especially the environment
that we're living in right now,is that the left brain because
it's pretty much where societyhas taught us to operate from
takes over and it becomes thatportion that is the bully of
(11:58):
your right brain, and so thiscan show up in anxiety when
we're anxious.
When I was in my corporate jobtowards the end, when I knew
that I was really ready to getout, but just needed a little
bit more time for myself to makethat jump.
Irritability, oh my God.
(12:20):
I would say everything is soirritating.
I would say everything is soirritating and that was
something I remember when Ifinally decided to take the leap
.
I said to a friend.
I said I'm just so tired ofbeing irritated every moment
Prone to making mistakes.
Carelessness is another signthat's moving too fast.
(12:43):
That's kind of you know, I'vegot to do this, I've got to do
that.
Your mind has your left brainhas taken over.
You're looking at either youknow something in the future or
worrying about something in thepast, ruminating on that.
You're not in the present.
Short-tempered, beingaggressive is also a good sign
that you're not in yourintuition.
(13:14):
And the last one, which I thinkthat's six, but I'll say it
anyway is when you're stressedout.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, and burnt out right Like that level of burnt
outness.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
That is a lot and so, yeah, I mean, it can be really
hard to, especially, like yousaid, you know, we can't control
very much of what's goingaround, you know, around us and
in the world.
We can control our actions andreactions and things like that,
but I feel like a lot of us are,we do tend to like default to
(13:49):
that, that reactive state a lotas well, especially if you're
online a lot and, like you said,like that left brain, we have
been sort of programmed to valueit, I think, in just in various
ways.
Right, and how do you then?
Okay, so we can recognize,right, like, so these are some
(14:09):
of the things that are coming upfor you.
Um, then you start to recognizeall right, I'm, I might not be
operating from the place of my,my highest good.
Let's say, what would yousuggest as that next step in
diving deeper Sure?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, the first, like you just mentioned, is it's
awareness, and that's thatyou've probably had this or your
listeners have probably hadthis, where you know you have
had five fights, imaginaryfights before you become aware.
Like my gosh, I just wentthrough five different scenarios
(14:52):
with different things or peopleand I'm super tense.
It's awareness.
This happens to me in theshower when I was about to go
into work, where it's like ifthis person says this you know,
dah, dah, dah, dah, dah and andI would catch myself and the
quicker I practice or the more Ipracticed it, the quicker I
(15:16):
would catch myself.
So then it went down to maybethree fights and then it went
down to a half of a fight.
And how I would combat thatjust in the moment very quickly
is I would just switch.
And we all know about gratitude.
It's out there, everyone talksabout it and there's a reason
that everyone talks about it isit just quickly gets you out of
this kind of fight or flightstate and it gets you in that
(15:38):
present moment.
So just in the shower, forexample, it was I'm so grateful
for this warm water, I'm sograteful for this soap, I'm so
grateful for my arm that I'mlathering up.
I mean it can just be really,you know, quick, and then it
just gets you out of that.
So that's one way to get out.
And then for, like we mentioned, carelessness or making you
(16:02):
know making careless mistakes,that's simply slowing down and
our breath is our greatest asset.
The body follows the mind andthe mind follows the breath.
So if we can just take someclear breaths and what I really
like to do is make an audiblesigh as I breathe out, it, just
(16:23):
it again.
It kind of vibrates in yourbody and allows your body to
know we're clear, we're goodhere, and it gets you out of
that fight or flight state,short-tempered, aggressive.
You might just need to gooutside for a minute.
You know nature is I say it'sthe ultimate sage.
(16:46):
You know being outside, youknow if it's a sunny day, just
you know, just basking in thesun, kind of feeling it on your
skin, it allows you again thepause in order to get away from
the irritable situation thatyou're in, and allows you to
focus on nature, focus on what'saround you and take some deep
(17:10):
breaths.
And when you're able to do that, there's a signal that I like
to do, which is I just kind ofcall in my intuitive self and as
I breathe in, it's almost likeyou see a light coming down
through your head and into yourthroat and then into your heart,
and like you can just sigh out.
But then you can.
(17:32):
I use a phrase and it sayswe're here and we would like to
share with you and in thatmoment it's kind of like you've
given over your frustration andyou're trusting what's coming
through is for your greatesthighest good.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
And that phrase really resonates yeah, that's
really, that's very powerful.
I think that's a really greatum strategy for people to think
about, because I don't, I thinkit's a little bit and I love how
you put we you know we're hereright, because it does it takes
(18:14):
like you and your ego and likethe self out of the equation.
Truly, I I mean, yeah, we'rewanting to tap in to that.
You know, deeper, deeper part,the I like to call it my higher
self or but at the end of theday, like, yeah, there's that.
Allowing, I think is justreally important because we do
(18:37):
live in such a reactive state Alot of the time.
It's really hard to beintentional with that desire to
receive the information and youkind of have to be sometimes.
You have to be reallyintentional with yourself about
that, you know, and just kind ofstop.
I always tell people like I hada come to Jesus moment with my
(19:00):
unconscious mind, you know, inmy closet, like when the, the
self-doubt, self-doubt or theimposter syndrome stuff starts
kicking in, it's like okay, okay, okay, Hang on.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Right, you know who's talking here.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, exactly Like.
Okay, so I like that that we'rehere.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Right yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
So I know a lot of my listeners, and myself included,
as a creative, just in general,you can deal with a lot of
self-doubt and imposter syndrome, especially if you're owning
your own business and you're outthere doing all the things and
trying to be the voice ofeverything in your business,
(19:40):
right?
So it can be really hard towear that low pressure.
How can we tell the differencebetween what is something that
is really fear like, what isactually something super
fear-based self-doubt, and ourintuition?
What's a really good way todiscern that?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Sure.
So when you're in fear, you cannotice in your body a
constriction.
You can notice your maybeshoulders are going up, but
everything feels really tightand it's almost like you know
you.
You see animals that are infear.
They, they'll almost stop for aminute and like just pause and
kind of look around and that'sthe.
That's the feeling that we feel, that we feel when we are in
fear.
(20:30):
And when you're in in yourintuitive state it feels very
expansive.
You know there's it's it'sconfidence and clarity versus
fear and uncertainty.
That's probably the best way tosee it.
And if you still can't, reallywell, is this confidence?
Is this confidence?
You know there might be.
(20:53):
There also can be a little bitof hesitation if you're a little
bit scared about moving out ofyour comfort zone, and so that's
a different kind of fear,because there's almost like a
little bit of excitement inthere as well, but fear of like
you're paralyzed, where youcan't move forward, that's very
(21:16):
constrictive.
That is telling you.
Okay, you have a story that youare continuously telling
yourself.
That is not only making thefear palpable, but every time
that you tell that story toyourself, you're tripling and
(21:36):
doubling and quadrupling thefear, and doubling and
quadrupling the fear.
And so when we can catch thatquickly and we can say it's
almost like you're making aU-turn back to yourself and you
can test yourself and you cansay, like I would say, jen, is
that fear true?
Okay, so if I decide to leavethis job right now, x Y, z is
(22:04):
going to happen.
And while I was leading up toleaving my job, I went through
that stage and I probably couldhave left about two to three
years before I did.
But when it was time to go, myintuition was like absolutely
not time to go.
My intuition was likeabsolutely not that fear, like I
had feared and, like you know,thought of all of the things
(22:28):
keeping me back for those two tothree years.
But when my intuitive self waslike now is the time go, it was.
I did not pause for one secondand it was the perfect time.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
And I feel like you know, I kind of always mentioned
this to people too is likethere's, there's power in the
piece, right Like so.
If you can tune into it and itfeels, like you said, any sort
of resistance, any sort ofChristian constriction, it's not
, it's not really the thing,right, but your intuition, like
you said, it's.
You know, I really believe.
(22:59):
But also, don't you think toothat the more you just like
anything else, the more youtrust it, the more you really
build that muscle of intuition,the easier it is to listen or at
least lean into.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Absolutely, absolutely.
You know, we in the knowingthere is no, as you know, the
typical language that we talk,and so it becomes where, if
(23:51):
people are questioning you onthat, it's just kind of like oh
well, that's how I'm going to doit, you know, that's me, you
know.
You know, that's me, you know,and and it it becomes less
resistant of how they're goingto react to how you move.
And that's where your intuitionis looking for your trust,
(24:13):
because how I move might not behow somebody else moves.
And and that's what's sobeautiful about our intuition is
it's custom to us.
It reaches us in the mostprofound ways that we are able
to get ourself into a place toreceive it.
(24:33):
It's not really our job to huntdown our intuition.
It's our responsibility to putourselves in a place to receive
it.
And that's very specific to you.
For me, it's nature Some peoplemusic, some people dancing,
some people singing, some peopledrawing, some people reading.
But how you are able to getyourself in that place, you will
(24:58):
know when you get that signal.
When you get that sign, and itis beyond doubt.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yeah, and I think too right, the key there is to
notice it when it happens, sothat you can really train your
unconscious mind to want more ofthat as well, because it's like
oh okay, let me stop for asecond, Because I feel like
there's been so many times Iknow in my own life where those
moments have really sometimeshappened and I'm I just sort of
(25:25):
like brush it over, right.
It's like you know you mighteven be busy or whatever, and
when you reflect back though,you realize, oh no, no, that was
actually a really powerfulmoment and so your intention is
is behind.
It is really important, I feellike as well, and noticing these
pieces.
So that's why one of the thingsthat I like to do nature is
(25:46):
definitely one of my strategiesas well for honing that
intuition.
But reflecting at the end ofthe day is really important for
me, because I do so much in aday.
I'm one of those people.
I just do a lot of things.
A lot of us do, and even thoughyou're doing a lot of things,
sometimes you can feel like youdidn't really accomplish that
much or do that much.
(26:07):
But if you are very intentionalabout no, no, let me just think
about what actually happenedtoday, and maybe it was this one
moment that came through, whenI was working with one of my
clients or something and takingout my highlighter, and
highlighting that for myself isreally important, because I want
more of that, right.
I want to focus more on thatand our unconscious mind is
(26:29):
going to believe whatever wetell it.
So if I'm constantly telling it, gosh, I really didn't
accomplish that much today, well, you know, it's going to, it's
going to look for more of thatand I want to be intentional
about the things that I didactually spend time on and when
these moments specificallyhappen, because I would like to
(26:50):
strengthen that.
So I think that that could be areally important piece of that
as well.
But let's talk a little bitabout like.
I know you work withorganizations and you know, in
some of the work that you do, um, specifically on how, how
intuition, like, can be used asa strategy, even for branding,
(27:11):
for marketing.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I have a lot of people who own their own
business listening to this.
Yeah, yeah.
So, um, the creative side ofour brain, I mean, it is such a
superpower for work, forcommunication, for inspiration,
for imagination.
You know you cannot create whatyou can't imagine and that
(27:37):
lives on the side of ourintuitive brain, of our
intuitive self.
And our intuitive self isconstantly, constantly knocking
on our door.
It's again, it's where we'reputting our attention.
And in business, you know, alot of times and I'll say
corporate, my experience washard skills and that is very,
(28:01):
very left critical thinking.
And we need that, trust me, weneed that.
And what I'm talking about it'snot saying, okay, left
hemisphere, go offline.
No, it's saying there's roomfor the right hemisphere to come
on, for the right hemisphere tocome on.
(28:25):
And you know, it's much morethe feminine side of the house
and, as we're moving into this,much more divine feminine time
and space, the value of what theright brain has to offer.
It's not only powerful in andof itself, but what it can guide
and help our left brain comeonline for.
And so it doesn't.
(28:46):
It's almost like the enginedoesn't have to rev so much when
we can incorporate mindfulnesstactics, when we can incorporate
things that in the past peoplewould call lazy, you know, and
unproductive when we are able toput just as much value on that
(29:10):
as the preparation, thePowerPoints.
You know the endless meetings.
You know when we can start tobalance that out.
We can not only become moreimaginative, more efficient,
more effective in how wecommunicate with people.
We can have more hours in ourday, essentially because we're
(29:33):
just, it's really.
You know, it depends on thecompany.
But, you know, sometimes peopleare like that's so woo-woo, and
you know, and it's just likeokay, is that?
You know?
(29:53):
Tell me your experience withwoo-woo.
You know, and working in theentertainment industry, a lot of
people say, well, I see deadpeople, it's the sixth industry.
A lot of people say, well, Isee dead people, it's the sixth
sense, you know, and it's justlike okay, no, nope, we're going
to redefine.
You know what intuition is andwe're redefining it in a way
that it's not scary and that youall know that you have it.
(30:14):
It's not something that witcheshave, it's not something that
women have.
So it's really, you know.
I'll have people say to me well, what if you don't have
intuition?
And that's the first debunk.
And so it's really an educationand it's also it's very easy to
(30:34):
tap into with the correct toolsyeah, yeah, and, and, um, and
when you do and this is kind ofgoing back to the previous
question I always like to say topeople um, when you get that
hit, when you get thatinspiration, when you get that
download, say thank you moreplease yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, that's that noticing of it because you do,
you have to like, do that, youhave to be intentional with.
Well, no, I would love more ofthat Like that was.
That was amazing.
Being appreciative and gratefulfor it in the moment too, like
you said before, is a super bigone for me.
And, um, you know, taking that,taking a minute to to recognize
(31:19):
, I think, a lot like for a longtime for myself personally, I
noticed that I was having theseintuitive downloads and all of
these things would drop in,let's say, in my late teens,
early twenties, and because ofmy own upbringing and
(31:41):
programming, that really doescome into play a lot.
I know you said you werebrought up in a very open place
with that, but a lot of peoplearen't.
And it can be very suppressed.
And not saying that doesn'tmean you have to come from a bad
experience with your family.
It just could mean that it'snot understood and not valued in
that way, and that was it's.
(32:01):
It's very much or, you know,brought up like myself and very
strict religious sort ofupbringings, and so there isn't
like a whole lot of room forthat in that space.
So I always remember feelinglike the black sheep, like a
fish out of water.
You know why was I alwaysquestioning the things that I
(32:26):
was taught?
I was like, but what if thereis?
And?
And so I think a lot of timesin those in that space in my
life and that time in my life,uh, it was easy for me to just
sort of sweep it away and, youknow, ignore it.
But the minute you sort ofmaybe you sort of like notice it
, it can also open up thefloodgates which can also feel a
(32:49):
little scary to people and Iwent through that as well.
It's like whoa, whoa, whoa,whoa, whoa, and so I do think
it's important to be veryintentional about that and to
let people know too, and youprobably see this a lot is to.
You can discern, you candetermine at what rate you would
like that to come in as well.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Absolutely.
It's like you can turn up thevolume, you can turn down the
volume.
You're in control of that.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
And I feel like a lot of people don't think that way,
at least, when they're justsort of like dipping their toe
into all of this, they kind ofhave this feeling of I'm not
going to be in control.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
That's not true and you are able to, like you said,
turn up the volume or not, anddecide yes, yes, and for me,
what I always do is I call inthe highest, most loving
vibrations.
I'm not here to pick upanybody's negative energy, I'm
(33:49):
not here to pick up, you know,just low energy.
We all have had those energyvampires that just kind of suck
us dry.
That's not what our intuition,just kind of suck us dry.
That's not what our intuitionis there to serve us with.
And so, by understanding thatmy intuition is coming in with
(34:15):
the highest, most loving, mostbeneficial messages for the
greatest good, that you canalready feel the difference
there.
And that's what's going to comein, because that is what you
are asking for, and they willnot give you anything that you
are not asking for.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yes, exactly, and it's so important to really
trust that you know that levelof um, I am always taken care of
, I am always supported andreally believing that so that it
kind of does it gets youthrough those, those periods.
But I mean, I can understand.
(34:51):
I can definitely understandthere being moments of a little
bit of, you know, fearfulnesshappening when, when it feels
like you don't maybe have thatcontrol, or especially like in
in the example you spoke of inthe very beginning, with the
(35:18):
lights kind of flashing on andoff right.
And you know, one in particularhappened at a place where I felt
like I was ready for it and Iwas like, no, no, this is good,
I'm good.
And then it amped upimmediately, quickly and a lot,
and I was like, absolutely not,I'm not okay with that.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I didn't mean that much.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, I don'tneed to hear words.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
So, like you know, it was like an actual, audible
voice, like it's a kind of longstory, but basically, yes, it
was like good with this, yes,you know, show me more, I'm
ready, whatever.
And then it was like, okay,hang on, I'm not quite there yet
, and so it's okay to you know,um, feel like you can, you know,
(36:08):
do that in the moment as well.
And I, I think that I feel likea lot of people have had
experiences, whether they'resubtle, whether they're not so
subtle, and it can, it cantrigger, you know, that feeling
of out of control and unable to.
(36:29):
You know, because us, as humans, we, we, we crave certainty and
we want control, some of usmore than others, for various
reasons, and so it can feel very, very scary.
But what would you say, youknow, to to someone listening
who is just sort of like dippingtheir toe in that and, you know
, looking for ways to reallydive deeper into it in a way
(36:51):
that feels safe and not quickly?
Basically, right.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah, sure, sure, it's funny.
I have a story kind of similarto you, but I was in a room with
two other people and somethinghappened and they ran out of the
room and I was like, oh, that'sso cool.
So I mean it.
You know, you set, you set thetone and it's really to answer
(37:29):
your question.
For some, for people that arestarting out kind of slow, I
would do this work in nature, Iwould do this work in near the
ocean, I would do this work nearthe ocean, I would do this work
outside.
I would really give yourself thespaciousness to feel the
elements and again, I'm notsaying go into like a torrential
(37:51):
rainstorm or anything like that, like a very peaceful outside
experience and calling in thatway.
And it's just a natural way foryou to be open to what's coming
in.
And when you decide to tune intoyour intuitive self, to your
deeper self, to your higher self, to the collective
(38:13):
consciousness, let's say youknow you can put parameters
around that you can say I reallywould like a gentle message, I
would like you know to to um,you can even say, if you want
signs, you know, um, I'm lookingfor a sign of a blue butterfly,
and that blue butterfly can bea cartoon, it could be an
(38:36):
animated, it could show upanywhere, it could be a painting
that you pass by.
But those are really very calmways to enter into this field,
to know that your intuitive selfis always there to help you.
It's always there to show youthe way, and it might not be
exactly the way that your ego isexpecting it to show up, but it
(39:02):
is the way that your spirit isguiding you to that answer.
And if you might not be justready universally to receive it,
it might introduce you tosomebody who then takes you on
the path to getting that answer.
And that's a very gentle waythat's not so harsh or jolting
(39:23):
to the body.
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, go at your own pace.
I feel like you know there'sdefinitely some times where you
want to possibly push yourselfout of your comfort zone and, uh
, possibly push yourself out ofyour comfort zone and growth,
you know, happens outside of itfor sure, but also, if it's
going to feel super scary, it's,it's probably going to have.
(39:49):
you know what I mean, likethat's not a great, a great
state to, to, to continue tostay in right, you don't want it
to trigger some stuff Rootingback down into that.
Peacefulness, I think, is areally important factor.
And so what are some ways?
I know you've talked aboutclearing the static in some of
(40:14):
your work, right?
So I know we talked aboutnature and things like that.
But what are the biggestsources of the static, do you
think?
And then how can, like,entrepreneurs, remove, remove
that?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
It's the stories we tell ourselves.
You know it is, oh my gosh,what?
What story are you tellingyourself?
Like that to me is.
I can fall prey to that very,very, very quickly, and I can
find things that support thatvery quickly, and so, yeah, so
(40:48):
there's mantras that I do everysingle day and they become like
exercises, they become thepractice.
When I notice myself overeating,that will be a trigger of like
okay, wait, what am I trying toavoid?
What am I trying to stuff down?
(41:10):
You know, that's a really good,all of these things that we,
that we are like ah, I want tostop doing that.
I want to stop doing that Ummany times.
They're great teachers in whatwe have to learn and they're
showing us, oh, you know what.
That's just a symptom that Ineed to pay much more attention
(41:33):
to my ego trying to get in theway of keeping me protected and
I put that in quotes, you know,because intuition has no reason
to keep you protected.
It's not here for smallness tokeep you protected.
(41:55):
It's not here for smallness.
And that greatness is the bigleap that we all, you know we're
like oh God, that seems soscary, but it's really for
everything that I've learned.
It's the, it's the scare that Ihave created in my head and and
it's the judgment of peoplethat I don't necessarily care
(42:16):
what they think.
Yeah, and then it goes into ohGod, but then I'm going to be
alone, I'm not going to have anyfriends, no one's going to be
able to take care of me, andthen that's that U-turn back
where it's like well, how's thatworking out for me now?
You know, okay, well, how's thatworking out for me now?
You know, okay, I'm kind ofjust, I'm living in this
(42:36):
protected small state so that Ican continue this relationship.
Hmm, that doesn't seem realright.
And once that flowing ofthought comes in, rather than,
you know, go ahead, grab thatsnack, sit on the couch and
binge Netflix.
You know again, totally fine todo.
Sometimes, don't get me wrong,love it.
(42:58):
But when it becomes that pattern, that's keeping you away from
what your intuition is trying tocome through for you.
That's when the anxiousness,the irritability, you know, the
carelessness, the stress comesin.
Just to circle back to how westarted.
But those things that we tendto do to soothe ourselves and
(43:24):
we've been taught to sootheourselves can really create that
static for our intuition, canreally create that static for
our intuition.
So it's finding those new waysto soothe ourselves a bubble
bath, a walk, music, a good talk, a deep talk with a friend, a
fellow introvert, but those arethe things.
(43:46):
And so it's an awareness, it'san awareness, and then it's the
willingness to just kind of callit out, and it doesn't mean
that you have to stop it, right,that second the work is just
calling it out at that moment.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah, I feel like that is the most important piece
of it.
Some sometimes too, because,like, especially if you're
living in that hypnotic state ofjust going about the motions
and having all of these, like wewere talking about in the
beginning, the symptoms of notlistening to the intuition, all
these things are going to happen.
(44:20):
And, yeah, that self-soothing,all of these, these quote,
unquote unhealthy things thatyou know, like you've already
you've had the consciousawareness that they're not
leading you to your best,highest good, and it is just a
little bit easier to continuedoing it, to stay on that loop,
because now it's a habit as well, but also it is.
(44:43):
It's that numbing right, it'sthe running, it's the fight or
flight, it's the flight, likeliterally, like, sort of like
running away from it and numbingto it.
And in the moment and I canspeak to it because I've done it
myself, I know how it feels itcan feel incredibly scary and
(45:07):
really uncomfortable to call itout and then to sit with it, but
it's also, I think, soimportant to remember if you're
listening, like calling it out,noticing it without judgment, is
this really big piece?
It's hard for a lot of us thathave a lot of like like I call
(45:30):
it, the nasty interceptor, right, so that that is not normally.
First of all, it's not yourintuition, but it's definitely
not even like you.
That's like those are otherpeople, um, usually from your
past, or instances orcircumstances that have happened
that got stuck in there, and sosometimes our first gut
(45:54):
reaction is to beat ourselves upfor it, especially if there's
something that you know you'vebeen trying to do and you want
to do, and you know it's goingto move you forward, and yet you
feel very, very stuck andparalyzed and you can't seem to
do it, especially if it comesinto terms with, if it's related
to putting yourself out there,being judged, perceived and all
of those things, which is supercommon especially with women
(46:16):
entrepreneurs in this space, itcan be really easy for you to
just beat yourself up for it andbe like, just get over it.
You suck that loop ofdestructiveness, and so noticing
that in that moment as well is,I think, a really powerful move
, because it is just what it is.
(46:36):
It just is.
It doesn't have to be good orbad, it doesn't have to be
anything.
It's like what you put on, itis what it's going to be.
So noticing it without judgment, like taking that charged
emotion out of it and just beinglike huh that's really
interesting.
I wonder where that comes from.
You know, and like allowingyourself to really lean into it
and just being like huh, that'sreally interesting.
I wonder where that comes from.
You know, and like allowingyourself to really lean into it
(46:57):
and lean into theuncomfortableness and sitting
with it.
That is something that a lot ofpeople have a hard time doing,
but there's so much power.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
So much power, so much power, and I'll and I'll
add, if, if you can, you know,catch that and sit with it for a
moment and hear what your egois telling you, which is, let's
just say, like you're lazy I'mjust going to use that as an
example and then you can say youknow what, what is a higher
vibration of this?
(47:24):
Oh, you know what you're selfsoothing Like?
Let's just say like, like youknow, you're, you're, you're
resting, you know, there's,there's a, there's a higher way
to look at that in a, in a muchmore compassionate way, like you
(47:44):
were talking about, than tolook at it.
And then it creates this spacewhere it's like, oh, you know
what I could also do, I couldalso go journal, I could get up
and you know, go, take care ofthis, but it just it doesn't
come down so hard on yourselfthat you don't want to do
anything else.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah, and the mantra that you mentioned.
Like the mantras, that can be areally powerful way to like,
first of all, many things, butlike also specifically deal with
that sort of lower vibrationstory.
That's because, uh, because youknow your unconscious mind is
going to believe whatever youtell it.
And so if, if you have a mantrathat you are like it's a
(48:28):
non-negotiable for you, that youeither use in the morning or at
night, or whatever, somethingthat is just, it's going to
embed, like, what are youtelling yourself and how are you
embedding that?
That's, I think, a really big,just piece of it, to stay on
track, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, absolutely yeah .
And a hack that I like to doand and, and I don't know if you
do it as well as record into myvoice memos and then listen
back before I go to bed, and Isay it three times, and there's
something about hearing yourselftalk back to yourself, right,
yeah?
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, I'm a big believer in that.
My husband has done that andhe's an actor and he's used to
hearing the sound of his voice.
Because I feel like a lot ofpeople when I tell people like
you know, get this mantra downto where you want it and then
record it, and they're like, ohGod, like no, I can never like
listen to the sound of my voice.
(49:23):
And I totally understand thatat first because it's like it's
going to trigger some otherthings, right, but there is a
lot of power in that.
I mean, my husband swears by it, like, honestly, he likes to do
it when he wakes up because andI think it's a great time to do
it too Find what works for youand your rhythm.
For me, I do like it beforenight, cause I like to program
(49:44):
my unconscious to do what I wantit to do while I'm sleeping,
like, okay, here's what we'regoing to work on and, yeah,
that's just the way.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
I like to do it, it's so cool.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yeah, you can.
You can tell it to do any allkinds of things.
And I also though you know Idon't have an issue sleeping,
Like that's not an issue for me,Like he's not, that you know he
has issues like sleeping, andso for him, coming out of a
(50:14):
deeper sleep and into theta islike a perfect time for him to
like put his headphones in andthen just listen to his mantra.
And I've talked about that alot on like social and also here
on the podcast, and I've heard,you know, some feedback from
people saying that was a reallygood tip.
Thank you for that, Because youmay not think about it on your
own, to like just record it, butand you may not want to, but
just try it.
Just try it and see how itfeels and listen.
(50:37):
No one else is listening to it,but you like remove the
judgment.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
You know what I mean.
That's right.
That's right.
It's an exercise in and ofitself of catching yourself.
Say oh, I hate my voice, waitno.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
There, that is just my voice, Right, right no, there
that is just my voice, right,right, your voice is.
You have a voice like howbeautiful you know exactly.
I'm grateful for it.
I'm glad I can speak.
I have language, like insomething even very small, to
say good about it and just keepdoing it too, because you will
become desensitized to all ofthat like the more you do it.
(51:12):
But, like you said, it's a goodexercise, just in general, and
so yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah.
So if you're saying that that'sthe barrier to doing it,
there's your work, right.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, thank you so much forbeing here.
I this is super fun.
I love going into all of thisand meeting like-minded people
as well.
I know you work with people atall different capacities, so
where do you like to connectwith them?
I'll put all of this in theshow notes so that people can
(51:44):
find you.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Fantastic.
My website's a great place tocheck me out Jen J-E-N-N Cohen
C-O-H-E-N.
Intuitivecom, and I'm also onInstagram at Jen Cohen intuitive
Perfect.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Awesome.
Well, thank you again.
This was awesome.
Thank you, thanks again, jen.
That was awesome.
That was so insightful.
I loved those reminders myself.
It can be really hard sometimeswhen the world is crazy and
when things are busy and youjust have a lot going on, it's
super easy to fall back intothose old patterns, habits,
(52:20):
programs.
I have found myself reallyhaving to double down on all
things mindset right now and Ithink this was a really awesome
reminder for many of us,including me, because, remember,
your intuition is never goingto feel fearful.
It's not going to make you feelconstricted, it's going to feel
(52:43):
expansive.
It might feel uncomfortable,but you can see that there's
growth on the other side of it,like you can feel it, and
there's power in the piece rightLike really tune into your own
intuition.
Make it a habit to reallystrengthen that and to get
really good at knowing whatfeels good, what doesn't, and
trusting yourself, because youknow you really do know.
(53:05):
So, whether it's like apersonal decision or something
to do with your business, yourintuition is there to help you
and to guide you and it's notsomething to be afraid of.
I loved the little strategiesthat she gave us in this episode
and I hope that you guys foundthis super valuable, as always.
If you did, let me know.
(53:26):
You can always rate and reviewthe podcast at rate.
This podcastcom slash ReneeBowen.
That's the easiest way to do itbecause you can just access any
platform from that link, butyou could do it from inside of
whatever platform you'relistening to or watching as well
.
Your feedback is so veryappreciated.
Thanks again for joining mehere and I hope you have a
(53:47):
beautiful week.
Love you, bye.
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