Why Control Is Costing You More Than You Think: How to Delegate with Nata Salvatori

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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
This invisible cost of trying to do it all and
caring it all.
And then we on top of that isall the resentment that you
build towards the business thatyou actually used to love, you
know, and that you created tohave all this freedom and this
life.
And then now it's just pullingall your energy and you know,

(00:20):
you're resenting.
You don't want this anymore.
If you think five years fromnow, would you want to continue
in this path?
You know, where is this gonnalead?

SPEAKER_02 (00:29):
Welcome to Tried and True with a Dash of Woo, where
we blend rock solid tips with alittle bit of magic.
I'm Renee Bowen, your host, lifeand business coach, and
professional photographer.
At your service, we are allabout getting creative, diving
into your business, and playingwith manifestation over here.
So are you ready to get inspiredand have some fun?
Let's dive in.

(00:51):
Hello and welcome back to Fridayand Tree with a Dash of Woo.
I'm your host, Renee Bowen.
And it's been a minute sinceI've been here in your podcast
list.
I took a tiny break from thepodcast because sometimes that's
just what you need to do.
I don't like to necessarily doseasons for the show because I
do really enjoy, I like I lovedoing the show and I enjoy

(01:14):
putting out a weekly show.
Uh, but this has been just abusy season for me, just you
know, especially in my otherbusiness, which is my
photography business.
It's also been busy in mycoaching business.
And then I also just had a lotof other things going on.
I just returned from an amazingretreat into Loom that I do want
to talk just a little bit aboutbecause it ties into today's

(01:36):
guest.
And I'll get to her in just asecond.
She's awesome.
You guys are gonna love thisepisode because it is very
timely for a lot of us.
Uh, that whole title of whycontrol is costing you more than
you think, right?
A lot of us have that issue oftrying to control everything,
and then we end up just likerestricting everything because
we're holding everything tootightly.

(01:56):
And that's kind of what Iexperienced going into this
retreat, right?
So I signed up for this mixermine last year at this time.
My friend Ellen Yin had been apart of the mixer mine, which is
led by an amazing woman namedLinda Sadou.
And she loved it.
She was like, Renee, you got tobe in this.
It's great for making betteronline connections, growing your

(02:20):
podcasts, growing your speakingopportunities, all these things,
right?
And I was like, okay, okay,okay.
Um, I felt like I had thecapacity to do something like a
mastermind, but definitely notat the level of a mastermind, a
traditional mastermind anyway,because that does tend to
require a lot of your time andit's they're very costly.

(02:40):
So I wasn't in a position to beable to do that last year.
But this felt really accessible.
And it's a much lower pricepoint.
Um, I felt like, okay, I can Ican dig in at my level of
capacity.
I don't have to over-schedulemyself.
Let's just kind of see how thisgoes.
And I really wanted to, youknow, get on other podcasts.

(03:02):
I wanted to expand my audience.
I wanted to dig into some otherpieces of my business that I was
interested in learning andgrowing, learning more about and
growing as well.
So, you know, things like AI anduh things like, you know,
digging more into thisheart-centered metaphysical
coaching that is really what Ido, but I don't really talk

(03:24):
about, right?
So anyway, I also was able toget a lot of these other amazing
mixer mind members on my podcastthat you guys have been able to
meet over the course of thislast year.
And part of being in the mixermind is that you have the
opportunity to go into thisin-person retreat.
So I signed up for it.
I was like, yes, this is gonnabe amazing.

(03:44):
I can room with Ellen.
It'll be a great week away.
We extended our trip.
So, like, you know, the theactual retreat was three days.
We're like, we're gonna go in aday earlier, we're gonna leave a
day after, so that we can do alittle bit of integration and
really get the feeling that Iwent away, you know, and
unplugged.
And I needed this so badly, youguys.

(04:06):
Um there's just been so muchgoing on in my life personally
and professionally.
And I was, I went into thisretreat feeling really, really
burnt out, really burnt out.
And you guys know I talk aboutlistening to those whispers, and
I've been hearing those whispersmyself all year, which is
another reason why I took alittle tiny break from the
podcast.
Sometimes you just gotta dothat.

(04:28):
So I went into this retreatknowing that I needed to unplug,
that I needed to be awayphysically, like really away,
alone.
You know, I'm a two-for humandesign, I'm a generator, but I'm
a two-for emotional generator.
And that two line, if you guysknow anything about human
design, is so incrediblyimportant for us to be able to

(04:50):
go into our hermit phase.
I need to go within.
And I mean like alone.
And I mean like in quiet toreally just integrate
everything.
It's such a recharge for me, andI haven't been able to really do
that much this year.
So I went into this retreat withthat intention.

(05:11):
Like, if nothing else, I justwant to walk away feeling more
restored, more relaxed, and lessburnt out, honestly.
So I didn't have like these big,big, big crazy expectations.
I didn't put a lot of things onmy to-do list for this.
I just kind of wanted to justsee how it unfolded.
And it ended up being probablyone of the most transformational

(05:35):
weeks of my adult life, truly.
And no, I didn't do plantmedicine, I didn't microdose or
anything like that.
Um, that's not part of theretreat, but you know, some
people do their own thing, youknow, and that's fine.
But I I've I really was able tolet go, which I've talked about
a lot here.

(05:56):
That that is sort of the key toeverything, being able to let
go.
But in our everyday life, it'svery difficult to be able to do
that.
And it's understandable.
Like we have families, and asthese high achieving um women,
entrepreneurs, founders, we wetend to take on a lot and we

(06:17):
tend to live a lot in ourmasculine energy.
That's what gets us to get stuffdone.
And that's that's reallyawesome.
I love, I love limiting in mymasculine energy.
I feel like super productivewhen that happens.
I I love getting things done.
I I love making things happenand and I really enjoy making
money.
I do.
Like I'm unapologetic aboutthat.

(06:39):
But I've been really denyingthat feminine part for a lot of
reasons that you know, I think alot of us can identify with.
But it's easy to slip into themasculine and stay there,
especially when you are the therunner of the house.
Like you're the one who does allthe things, right?
You're the one who makes surethat people get places on time,

(07:02):
that we have enough food in thehouse, that you know, all of
these little different pieces ofbills get paid, et cetera.
It can be a lot.
And that's kind of where I wasat.
And I'm not gonna really be ableto explain in in detail here
because that would probably taketwo hours, but I will tell you
that if you are feeling that inyour life right now, I honor it.

(07:28):
You know, it doesn't have to begoing to Tulum.
I I get that.
It's not super accessible foreverybody.
Um, you can have a staycation,you can just set aside a day or
two of just like doing nothing,unplugging.
You can maybe stay at a hotellocally.
Like there are a lot ofdifferent ways you can do this

(07:48):
without costing you a lot ofmoney.
All right.
So I I know that it's notaccessible for everybody to do
that, but you can find a way todo this if you're feeling the
urge for this, because it isreally important for us to be
doing.
And what's really cool about themixer mine in general is that
Linda doesn't overschedule this.
So it's funny because when I goton the plane, so I got on the

(08:09):
plane home, and my seat mate,who was like we had the middle
seat open, which was alwaysawesome.
We were like, yes, score.
So in comes this reallyadorable, amazing woman who I
could tell was probably at somesort of retreat as well, like a
different one in Tulum.
And she sat on the window seat.

(08:30):
I was in the aisle, and wetalked briefly.
She, of course, she was aphotographer.
Like, I'm always gonna find mypeople, right?
Um, but she was there actuallyworking this event for female
founders as the photographer.
And uh I asked her, I was like,Did you have a nice time?
Like, you know, um, did you wereyou able to relax and unplug?

(08:50):
And she was like, it was reallyamazing and the resort was
incredible, but no, it wasdefinitely not that kind of
retreat.
It was like very scheduled.
I mean, it sounded like they hada lot of events scheduled
throughout the day, like a lotof activities that they were
doing.
And she was like, I'm kind ofexhausted.
And I'm like, ooh, you know, um,so you know, that's fine if

(09:10):
that's your thing.
But like when I go on a retreat,I don't, I don't want that.
And I love that Linda listens toher community of Mixer Mind
members because collectivelymost of us were like, yeah, no,
we don't, we don't want that.
We don't want to beoverscheduled.
We want to be by the pool in thecabanas, we want to be at the
ocean.
We can still get a lot of these,you know, um insights and

(09:33):
collaborations and connectionshappening when we're playing.
And that's what made this soimpactful for me.
Because I walked away with likeseveral new ideas, strategies,
you name it.
Most of that came from being bythe pool, you know, or in the
pool, talking to fellow mixreminders and just brainstorming

(09:55):
and bouncing ideas back andforth off of each other.
And that's more impactful for mebecause I'm not trying to make
it happen.
I have an open head center inhuman design.
If you do as well, you know,like things just sort of need to
drop in.
I can't force it, I can't makeit happen.
And so this just felt like easyand fun and like play.

(10:18):
And it made things integratelike I got it.
And on top of that, I was ableto connect with some of the
women there at a level that I'venot really been able to do in
other containers, at least notfor a while.
So I found some really I foundsome soul sisters, and yeah, we

(10:40):
had like had some Zooms over theyear, like we met a little bit,
but you can only really get toknow somebody so much over a
Zoom.
And this is actually gonna holdtrue for today's guest nada, and
I'll get to that in a second andwhy.
But I really connected deeplywith several amazing women this

(11:02):
week who I know are going to belifelong friends, collaborators.
Uh we're gonna work together.
Like it's kind of amazing.
And that wouldn't have happenedif Linda had like overscheduled
us to where we're just sittingin a conference room all day.
Like, that's not why I want togo do this.

(11:24):
So, yeah, there were twomornings where we were in a
conference room from like nineto 12, but even in that space,
it wasn't like learn from me.
I know this technique.
It was very interactive and outof the box, which I really love.
So thank you, Linda, for that.
Again, I've already thanked youin person, but thank you again

(11:45):
for that because it was reallyimpactful.
And I'm not the only one who hadthat experience.
I was able to do a little fullmoon ceremony with some of the
women there, uh, because we hada really powerful full moon
while we were there.
And it was just awesome.
It was a really greatexperience.
I highly recommend uh everyonedo something like this.
And if you are interested inthis, like if you're a coach, if

(12:08):
you have a podcast, if you arelooking to expand your speaking
engagements or just kind of likeget into a new audience, make
better connections with otherwomen, like-minded women.
Um, she is signing up 2026 MixerMind now.
And she has two, which she callsmagic mixers that are happening

(12:30):
this week.
So tomorrow and Friday, I'll putthat information in the show
notes.
If you want to hop on one ofthose, you do have to RSDP to
one of them.
It's not just for you to learnabout the mixer mind.
She's actually teaching yousomething.
It's a panel.
And the panel is about likewhere, like, what's what's
working in 2026?
Like, where's the money in 2026?
How are you gonna be growingyour business in 2026?

(12:52):
And so uh there are gonna beseveral women on the panels, and
the panels are different on eachday.
So you're gonna learn something.
So I highly recommend if you areinterested in learning about the
mixer mind to hop in, preferablyday one if you can, but if not
day two, uh, because she isgonna be opening up the

(13:13):
container for you know newmembers right after that.
And you'll be able to apply forthat right after that.
So if you're interested in themixer mind, that's your
opportunity.
I'll put that for you below.
But in general, I highlyrecommend some time away.
I I'm really excited andinspired about my business for

(13:37):
the first time in a long time.
And not only that, I feel morein my body for the first time in
a really long time.
I worked with an amazing womanwho I'm absolutely gonna have on
the podcast.
So I'm not gonna go too deepinto it right now, but her name
is Ruth, and uh she's also, anduh yeah, it was probably one of

(13:59):
the most powerful sessions I'veever had.
She integrates body work withpsychology.
Like she has a degree in psych,and she also is a massage
therapist.
Like we both have that incommon, both of those things.
And um, she's extremelyintuitive energetically, and she
is a reflector in human design,which if you know anything about
human design, that's powerful inand of itself.

(14:20):
So she is incredible.
And so we did a session togetheron the last day before I flew
out, which was interestingbecause you know, I basically
cried for an hour and releasedso much, so so much.
And then I flew.
I looked, I probably looked likeI had been through the ringer
probably on that flight.
But it was so worth it.

(14:41):
Um, it took me a couple of daysto really sort of integrate like
in my body and and really sortof like release what came up,
but I was really ready for it.
And I just feel so much moregrounded than I have in years.
And I'm really, really gratefulfor for her and for the entire
experience.
Okay, so let's talk about NadaSalvatore, who is my amazing

(15:05):
guest today.
So Nada and I recorded thisbefore the retreat, but she was
at the retreat as well.
So she's been in a mixer minewith me this past year.
I think it was her first year aswell.
She's also a photographer, butNada is like probably, first of
all, she's probably one of themost intelligent people I've
ever met in person.
And I didn't really like get tothe depth of that until we were

(15:27):
at the retreat.
We had done collaborationsbefore earlier in the year.
Like we've collaborated on um acouple of AI things.
We've been in, you know, variousZooms, but you know, that's just
like a Zoom thing, right?
Like, so how how deep can youreally go with that?
And I loved our conversationtoday because we're talking
about this emotional side ofdelegation.

(15:49):
Like delegation is her thing.
And it's not just about handingoff your tasks, but it's how to
let go of control in a way thatfeels really aligned and
intentional and actuallysupportive to your creativity
and leadership.
And so you're gonna love thisconversation because Nara is
amazing and she's got somereally great insights.

(16:10):
We're gonna dive into like whydelegation triggers so much
resistance, especially for womenand creative entrepreneurs, and
how control can silentlysabotage your growth and what it
really takes to shift from doingit all to leading, like a true
CEO, one who's really groundedand inspired and not buried in

(16:31):
admin work.
Okay.
So we're gonna get into all ofthat.
But you guys, I have to tellyou, um, we had dinner together.
Nada and I just like usually onthis retreat, like you're gonna
have dinner with like five to 10people at a time, right?
Like pods of people, which isamazing.
But Nada and I were the only twopeople at dinner this one
particular night.

(16:51):
And we sit down, it's at thisrestaurant, and I don't know
why, but at this resort, theykind of just give you one menu
and you're supposed to kind ofshare it.
Um, so they handed it to me andI was looking at it and I
realized, oh, you know, youdon't have a menu, so let me
share this with you.
And she was like, Oh no, it'sokay, I can read upside down.
And I was like, really?
She's like, Yeah, I can read andwrite upside down.

(17:14):
I was like, excuse me, you canwrite upside down.
And she's like, Yeah, I wassupposed to be bored.
So yeah.
So that's the kind of personwe're talking about here.
Okay.
So Nata owns several businesses.
Okay.
Photographer is just one ofthose.
She's also a leadership coach.
She's a former agency owner.

(17:35):
She's a former physical therapydoctor.
Like, she, you guys, thisconversation I had with her, she
basically kind of, you know,told me her life story.
Uh, English is not her firstlanguage, by the way.
She's Brazilian.
So reading and writing upsidedown, yeah, not the first
language.
So hello.
Um, but her life story should bea Netflix movie.

(17:59):
And she is gonna write a book.
So I don't I don't know whenthat's coming, but yeah, like
you guys need to stay in touchwith her and stay in her
universe, follow her because youneed to know more about her.
She's fascinating.
That's what I'm gonna say there.
So, anyway, if you've ever saidnobody can do it like I can, or
you're just wearing busynesslike a badge of honor.

(18:21):
I've been guilty of that.
This conversation that we'regonna about to dive into with
Nada is your invitation torethink what leadership really
looks like.
Okay.
And how letting go might just beyour next act of expansion.
Hey, Nada, thanks so much forbeing here today.
I am very excited to talk aboutthis topic because it's a big

(18:44):
one in my industry and as wellas yours.
And so we're gonna dig into allthe different pieces of
delegation today.
Thanks for being here.

SPEAKER_01 (18:51):
Yes, I'm excited to be here in your space and be
sharing this passion to makesure everybody understands what
it means to delegate properly.

SPEAKER_02 (19:01):
Yes, best.
This is this is your zone ofgenius.
So I really want to kind of pickyour brain about a lot of
different things today.
So let's see how much we can getthrough in the short amount of
time that we have.
But I kind of want to start withthe emotional uh like side of
delegation, maybe even sometriggers, right?
So I know that a lot of usphotographers, creatives, just

(19:26):
you know, business owners ingeneral.
I hear a lot of resistance aboutdelegation, quite a bit in my
own coaching.
So, why do you think delegationtriggers so much resistance for
heart-centered entrepreneurs,especially those who care really
deeply about their clients andtheir craft?

SPEAKER_01 (19:48):
Yeah, that's a great question.
Uh, so you talked about in thebeginning, like it's it's coming
in your industry, our industry,it is really everywhere, right?
If you have ever owned abusiness and had to grow and
realized you just had to stopdoing it all yourself and you
needed some help, you have gonethrough this.
And it's not the sexiest topicout there, but it's the thing

(20:09):
that everybody needs tounderstand and get more familiar
with and get more comfortableand confident about doing it.
So, which is why, you know, Icreated this whole platform to
talk about it.
And what I see very often, whichis where you are alluding to, is
this resistance to even gettingstarted.
And these are things that I'vesaid it myself out loud to a

(20:32):
coach, you know, there's no waynobody can do it as well as I
can't.
I can't delegate this part ofthings.
This is just like what Iunderstand the best, and all the
other things that we hear allthe time.
And I think a lot of that itcomes from the premise that is
not just passing on tasks, isthat an identity shift that

(20:56):
needs to happen?
And that's where the hard partof delegation is sitting.
So, yes, anybody can make a listof things to pass on to somebody
else.
But what really needs to happenis for you to spend time
understanding what it means tosit on that CEO seat and
actually let go of those littletasks that are eating on your

(21:18):
day, they're eating your timeand your energy and everything.
So it's that identity shift partthat creates, I think, a lot of
the resistance towardsdelegating.
Does that sound right to you?

SPEAKER_02 (21:29):
Yeah, that's a big one.
I'm so glad that you just wentthere with it because that's
that's so true.
And I don't think that a lot ofpeople have really consciously
put their finger on that.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, I definitely hear somethings about how, like you said,
like I nobody can do it like Ican.
You know, it's gonna take toomuch time for me to train

(21:52):
somebody.
Like, there's all of these sortof like excuses that will pop
up, but really at the heart ofit, yeah, I think that that's a
really big piece of it is thisidentity shift.
And we tend to, I don't think wedo it on purpose, right?
Like, I don't think it'ssomething that we consciously
fall into, but we do like wetake on this identity of like,
well, I can do it, so whyshouldn't I?

(22:15):
And it is now a part of like whoI am and what I do, and kind of
wearing that busyness like abadge, basically.
I see a lot of people doing, andI'm sure you do as well.

SPEAKER_01 (22:25):
Yeah, absolutely.
That's even I there's a reallygood quote from Elizabeth
Gilbert that I cite very oftenis she says, You're afraid to
surrender because you're afraidto lose control, but you never
had control, all you had wasanxiety.
Oof.

SPEAKER_02 (22:42):
I know, yeah.
I that's literally one of myfavorites, too.

SPEAKER_01 (22:46):
And it's so good, and it's so true.
You know, there's just this um,you know, in your head you're
thinking, I'm gonna losecontrol, everything, things are
gonna fall apart.
And it's really not the casewhen you have good structures
around it and a good system, andyou do it from a place of
evolving in your business andand personally, professionally,

(23:07):
it it's a whole other ball game.

SPEAKER_02 (23:09):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's really important tonotice that and like dig into
those pieces of it.
Because it's really easy to justsay, okay, well, what do you
not, you know, want to do, orwhat are the things that you
know you can hand off and justgo ahead and do it?
You know what I mean?
Like it's really like we've allheard that for years, right?
It's like just give it away.
Like you don't need to do allthat, just give it away.

(23:31):
And it's like, okay, yes, inconcept, that makes good
business sense.
That I get it, but like, why isit so freaking hard to let go?
And he nailed it right there.
It's like that control issue,right?
Like, I mean, I am definitely aself-prescribed, self-admitted
um control freak, right?

(23:52):
I think a lot of us are,especially women.
We've been sort of programmed tobe this way.
Um, so it's no, it's no mistakethat we find ourselves in this
position, I think, especially assolopreneurs.
And, you know, we're like Isaid, we're like wearing that
badge of honor, like, yeah, Ican do it all.
You know, I can bring home thebacon, blah, blah, blah.
And I just feel like thiscollective shift.

(24:14):
So I think that this of womenlike finally shedding that,
hopefully.
And, you know, I talk about thata lot, and I know you talk about
that a lot, but I feel like thisis a very timely conversation to
have as a piece of that otherconversation as well.
Because if you don't deal withthe reasons why you're holding

(24:35):
on to it for your life, um, noamount of, you know, tips and
tricks and here's the roadmapare it's gonna work if you're
not willing to really look atthese underlying reasons of why
am I really holding on to this?
And is it, do I really need toanymore?
So if somebody's listening andthey're going, uh-huh, uh-huh.

(24:57):
That that's totally me.
Um, what do you think is likeone of the first mindset shifts
or shifts that somebody needs toembrace before they can really
begin to delegate in this way?

SPEAKER_01 (25:08):
Yeah, I think a good one, besides the ones that we
talked about a little bitalready, uh, is this idea that
it could it costs money todelegate, that you have to be
making money in order todelegate.
So I love debunking this onebecause once you put together,
you know, the numbers and youreally understand what it means

(25:29):
and everything that it costs onthe you know, visible and
invisible side, uh notdelegating, it becomes very
clear to you that that needs tobe a step that you take as you
grow your business.
So think about um this conceptof opportunity cost.
So this is like all the moneythat you are not making by

(25:50):
spending your time in thoselittle low-level tasks.
So let's say that you have beena really good business owner,
and at some point you calculatedyour cost of doing business, and
you really get those numbers,and you know that your value as
an employee to your business,how much it costs for you to
provide a service is$200 anhour, let's say, right?

(26:10):
And then you do a task audit andyou realize that you are working
about 10 hours a week on admintasks that are repetitive,
they're soul sucking anddraining.
And that's about$2,000 at theend of you know, a period of
time that accumulates when youlook at the whole year.
We're talking six figures.

(26:32):
It's over$100,000 in money thatyou are costing your business by
spending your time doing thosetasks when you could easily be
delegating that to somebodythat's costing you know anywhere
between$15 to$25 an hour.
I mean, that's a huge differenceon how much your business is
spending on that.

(26:52):
I don't know about you, but Idon't want that employee in my
business.
And a lot of times that's us,right?
We're the ones costing thatmoney to our business.
So really have a goodunderstanding of what is what it
means to your business by youspending all that time on those
tasks that don't need your timeand your brain and your CEO
skills, you know.
So understand that cost and thenstart putting that time into

(27:16):
things that are generatingrevenue for your business.
There's so much professionaldevelopment and and
collaborations and you know, newways to bring clients in that
you could be doing if you werenot answering emails and do your
bookkeeping and you know,sending links to a Zoom meeting,
you know, all those things.
So start thinking about it in adifferent way.
And it start looking atdelegation as an investment into

(27:40):
your business and not somethingthat's costing you money.

SPEAKER_02 (27:42):
Yeah, that's a really important shift to make.
And I find it's just so hard forpeople because, like you said,
it's it's they don't they don'treally look at it that way.
So I'm glad that you you brokeit down into the numbers of it
as well, right?
Because yes, it's again, it'slike easy to tell someone that,

(28:02):
but when they are doing thathard number, the hard numbers
and are looking at itthemselves, there's really no
denying math.
And there's there's asignificant number, like he
said, and it adds up, it adds upover time.
Um, so that's a really importantpiece of it, you guys, like

(28:24):
everybody who's listening.
So I want you guys to commit tothat.
If you know that this is you andyou feel like, okay, this is
probably a step I need to take.
That's like the first thing youneed to be doing is adding up
that time.
And then also there's the otherpiece of it, which is the time
that you are spending away fromyour life.

(28:46):
Like, even if you're not amother and you have kids, like a
lot of us are, um, that'susually I find when people come
to me, they're like, okay, Istarted this business because I
was good at it, and now it's abusiness, and I have and now I
have kids, and I'm not, I'mlike, you know, staying up all
night editing and I never see myfamily, especially this time of

(29:08):
year.
We're running into that.
Like, and you're a fellowphotographer, so you understand
that whole vibe of like, oh, I'mjust gonna work myself to death
between September and December.
You guys, that's not necessaryand it's really not good.
And you guys are wearing it likea badge of honor too.
Like, oh, won't see my familyfor the next three months.
That's not a flex that you thinkit is, right?
And so I I really want to diginto that a little bit because

(29:31):
most people come to me, by thetime they come to me, that
they've been in that for aminute.

SPEAKER_00 (29:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (29:35):
And they're like, I don't know how to get out,
right?
And I'm sure you have seen thata lot too, which is why you have
become this delegation expert,because you know, you're good at
it, but also I'm sure you seethat a lot as well.
And so how do you how do youquantify that piece of it,

(29:56):
right?
Like, okay, I'm not seeing mykids and not really.
Seeing my family.
What is the cost of that?
Like on top of the monetarycost, you know, left unchecked,
what's going to happen to yourlife, your well-being, your
mental health?

SPEAKER_01 (30:13):
Yeah.
I mean, we fall into this trapvery often.
And I've, again, I speak fromexperience.
I've been there and I havegotten out of it.
And now I help clients do that.
So it's very, very common.
You're not alone.
It's a very common path tofollow.
And the thing is, unfortunately,we don't realize the cost of

(30:34):
missing those, you know,sporting activities, missing
time with your friends.
Maybe you're missing birthdayparties, dinners.
Even if you don't have kids,there's so much that you could
be missing.
You know, vacations withoutguilt, uh, time with your
partner.
There's so much you could bemissing.
And unfortunately, you don'trealize those things until it's
too late.

(30:54):
Most of the time, we just don'tsee it until you've lost a
partner, until your kids arecomplaining and you know,
pulling away from you.
So there's so much that is thisinvisible cost of trying to do
it all and caring it all.
And then we on top of that isall the resentment that you
build towards this business thebusiness that you actually used

(31:17):
to love, you know, and that youcreated to have all this freedom
and this life.
And then now it's just pullingall your energy and you know,
you're resenting, you don't wantthis anymore.
If you think five years fromnow, would you want to continue
in this path?
You know, where is this gonnalead?
So I think it's a time, a goodtime to when you start feeling

(31:41):
that you're like, okay, this isnot things are not flowing
anymore.
Um, I do want to acknowledgethere, I've I do believe there's
a time for hustling in thebeginning of your business.
That's completely valid.
And I think we've all gonethrough that phase, but the
trick is don't stay on thatphase.
Like if eventually you need toevolve, things need to change,
and you cannot continue to tradetime for money because your time

(32:04):
is limited.
We have 24 hours in a day, and Idon't care how efficient and
good you are, at the top of thehour, in 24 hours, it resets,
and there's nothing you can doabout it.
So there's a limited amount oftime there, so you cannot
exchange your time for money.
So, you know, take the time toreally do a good self-check

(32:25):
personally and in your business,because I truly believe you have
to work on both.
And, you know, what is it thatyou're missing?
What is it that is feeling heavyfor you that you can attribute
to you just trying to do toomuch and trying to be everything
for your business?
And start making a plan of howcan I understand the current

(32:47):
state of my business and andunderstand what the steps I need
to take to move to the nextphase.
And where is it that's bleedinginto my personal life from all
of that that then needs tochange?
So I invite you to take sometime to actually do a good
self-reflection of what is thecurrent state of things, because

(33:09):
if you don't understand that,then that next step is gonna be
a lot harder.

SPEAKER_02 (33:14):
Yeah.
No, because I think we getcaught up in that.
It's really easy to.
I mean, I I've definitely beenthere as well.
Um, and like also with likedifferent parts of my business.
Like, so sometimes you get to aplace too where you're like,
okay, I'm delegating, and youknow, you you kind of get in the
mix of it and then life happens,or like major things happen in

(33:36):
your life, and you have to sortof maybe downscale again.
Like, there's a lot of differentthings that can happen when you
run your own business.
And so you may find yourselfthere again and have to like
kind of you know restart thatprocess.
I think that's just sort of thenature of being an entrepreneur,
like depending on what kind ofbusiness you run.

(33:57):
But what you said there isreally important for people, I
think, to hear is that you dohave to notice that, right?
Because like it's really easy toget stuck in that again.
And then sooner than later,you're just sort of like
hypnotically going through themotions again because it's like
it's like, oh, this is just whatI have to do.

(34:17):
And then a few months down theroad, you're not even just
hearing the whispers of burnout,you're hearing like loud voices
of burnout already.
And maybe it's showing up inyour health, it's showing up,
it's gonna show up.
Like it's definitely gonna showup.
We are humans, we are not, we'renot immortals, at least not yet.

(34:37):
So, like we have to take care ofourselves.
Like, like that is just a reallybig piece of this.
You're not if your body and yourmind are not running at top
speed, right?
Like, everything's gonna startto kind of like just fall off.
So it's so important to like payattention to those little
different pieces and then justbe intentional about okay, where

(34:59):
what's this really about and andwhat's it really costing me,
both emotionally, you know, likewe just talked about with like
relationships as well asfinancially.
Um, and for some people, likethe financial aspect is gonna be
the main trigger that gets intodo it.
And for some people, it's it'sgonna be that other thing,
right?
So you gotta know what's itgonna be for you to move that

(35:19):
needle and to actually take astep.
So for someone who maybe hasnever handed anything off yet,
and they find themselves headedinto, you know, this busy
season, because we're recordingthis in September.
It'll probably air sometimelater uh in like October.
But like this is it.

(35:40):
This is like crunch time for alot of businesses, just Q4 in
general is like a busy timeleading up to the holidays, but
especially for a lot of myaudience who are photographers,
like we were talking aboutbefore, you know, for somebody
who's never been able to handanything off or or thought that
they needed to, but now they'rerealizing that they do.
Yeah.
Um, what would you tell them?

(36:01):
What would what what would feelstrategic and a little safe, at
least to get them started?

SPEAKER_01 (36:06):
Yeah, that's a great one.
I think there's two ways to lookat it.
I think the easiest thing to seeare things that you don't
necessarily have the skill forand you just win it because,
again, this is your business.
And those are things like youraccounting, you know, your
bookkeeping.
And some of the things that itwas probably not a reason why
you started a photographybusiness or a coaching business.

(36:27):
It was not to do bookkeeping,right?
And and you might even havesome, you know, affinity with
numbers and and like all ofthat, but it's really not what
you got a degree on, what youget some training on, and it's
not how you make your money.
So those are easy things to seeand be like, okay, I need to
pass this on.
But then the next level I wouldsay is pay attention for a week

(36:48):
on what is something that you dorepetitively, right?
That is taking away some of yourtime and that would be an easy
thing to delegate.
And we're talking admin tasks.
So maybe something related withyour inbox management, maybe
something that um it's justgoing on Canva and creating some
content, you know, from to beposted online.
So things that need the brain,they just don't need your brain.

(37:13):
And then I'm not telling you togo out there and hire somebody
full-time.
Uh, you can easily, you know,record yourself doing one of
those tasks, talk through theprocess, create a Loom video.
Loom is a great resource forthat, and then go onto one of
those websites and hire acontractor for four hours just
to try and see what it feelslike to delegate something.

(37:34):
And send that video, send someinstructions.
I mean, you can use AI to createSOPs for that.
All of that stuff is super easy.
Even Loom creates, you know, hasa whole transcript and creates
SOPs for you, and then delegate,experiment delegating that one
task to somebody on acontracting basis and see what
that looks like.
You know, build the confidenceslowly.

(37:57):
Ask for some feedback, ask forsome corrections on that SOP
from that person, make it partof their the task for them to
create and correct and givefeedback as well.
And then that's gonna help youstart feeling confident and say,
okay, this is something I feellike I can let go, and it will
not take away from the qualityof the business that people are

(38:17):
receiving from me and and thewhole like integrity of the
business and all that, and it'sgonna help you take that little
baby step into the next thing.

SPEAKER_02 (38:27):
Okay, yeah, there was a lot there.
I actually had to take somenotes because I'm gonna forget
to bring out some of thesethings because that was a lot of
really good information.
Because first of all, like Iremember I was so resistant, I
gotta tell you.
Like, I I mean, even when itjust came to, I think the first
thing, the first thing Iautomated years ago was my
editing.

(38:47):
And for a photographer, that canbe like we have way more tools
now, and we have AI tools now,and there's a whole bunch of
different things, right?
Yeah, but when I was doing this,it was a long time ago, and it
was like, okay, I to I had tofind someone who could do what I
do.
Yeah.
And there was that whole likelie that you tell yourself, no

(39:09):
one can do it like I can, youknow.
And yes, I'm not I'm not sayingyou're not a great photographer
and a great editor.
Like, I totally understand that.
But even if you have a veryspecific process, it's a hundred
percent possible to trainsomeone else.
It just has to be the rightperson, obviously.
And I remember, you know, one ofthe things that I always tell my

(39:30):
my coaching clients too um whenwe're talking about handing
things off like this, and like,even if you're not ready to do
it right now, like even if you,you know, it's on your radar and
you know it needs to be done,but the thing that's kind of
holding you up is that you don'thave time to train people.
What you said there about usingLoom is 100% like what you guys
need to be doing.

(39:51):
Just start doing it now though.
Like record yourself doing thethings as you're doing them.
It's super easy to do.
Like, even if you're not likehiring someone this month, like
just start recording your stuff,whether it's like going into
your CRM and like record, likecreating products, recording
things, creating templates, uh,editing your photos, whatever it

(40:12):
is, you can be recording thatentire stuff.
If it's done on a computer, youcan use Loom or you can even use
Zoom or whatever is easy for youto do.
Um, and just do it, just recordit.
You don't have to do anythingwith that right now.
Just put it in a Dropbox folderor Google Drive folder.
And then you won't have thatexcuse anymore.

(40:32):
When you know it's time to hiresomebody, you can't use the
excuse of, well, I don't havetime to train them because
you've created these videos thatare going to do a lot of that
work for you.
So that's a really good piece ofinformation.
And I will say that once I didthat one thing, it's kind of
like getting a tattoo.
It's like addicted.
It's like, what else can I giveaway?

(40:54):
Oh my gosh, like, what else canI give away?
And so then I wanted to ask you,because you are very much into
AI like I am.
And we've collaborated on acouple of different things
before.
I know that we're bothcollaborating on um her AI
summit right now.
So you work with a lot of AIsystems as well.
So I want to kind of dig intothat just for a second, because

(41:15):
like you said, you don't have togo out there and hire a
full-time person.
Maybe that also looks likedigging into a little bit of AI.
What are some of your favoriteways or some of the favorite
systems and things like thatthat you ease people into with
AI?

SPEAKER_01 (41:30):
Absolutely.
Yeah, I definitely count AI aspart of my team.
So I have people and I havebots.
And uh I use it for a lot ofdifferent things.
And I think, you know, a lot ofpeople use it to a superficial
level, and I think that's fineto a certain degree.
But when you really startthinking about that control
piece, right?

(41:50):
I want to make sure I don't losethe voice of my business and
make sure that people don't feellike they're talking to a pod.
They're actually feel likethey're still talking to me.
I think the secret there isunderstanding how to customize
uh a GPT, right?
How to build a custom GPT.
And I use it for things like umcreating sales pages when I have

(42:11):
new offers.
I use it for my email marketingcampaigns.
I use it for my podcast tocreate all the assets for the
podcast.
Um, I have I use it to summarizeuh coaching sessions that I have
with my clients to make sure wehave a nice tied-up to-do list
with some highlights of what wewent over in the call.
I mean, there's so manydifferent things you can use,

(42:33):
captions for social media, uh, alot of things that again used to
take a long time.
Um, now it can be done with avery solid, you know, custom
GPT.
And I think if you take the timeto really structure and build
things based on a brand book,right?
So what your brand looks like,sounds like, feels like, um,

(42:54):
then the outcome that you get isvery helpful.
And the truth is, I mean, it'shere to stay, guys.
We you can't fight it, it's notgoing anywhere.
So the best thing you can do asa business owner is learning how
to use it to your advantage anduse it well.
So as things continue to evolve,you can keep up with how things
are going.
So it's is delegation in 2025.

(43:17):
It's learning how to use that aspart of your team.

SPEAKER_02 (43:21):
Yeah, and like if you have physical team members,
they also need to be using AI inthe way that you use it so that
you're even more efficient.
Like, you know, I mean,honestly, like I I I love I love
TI2BT.
Like it has definitely helped meso much.

(43:44):
Um, I I I like you, use it forall of those, all those things
as well.
And it helps greatly.
But at the same time, too, um,and like you said, it's not
going anywhere.
Like, honestly, like, you know,is we we I don't want to get too
deep in the the the weeds of AIhere because I've done other
episodes about thatspecifically, but you know, it's
true.
It's the the genie's out of thebottle, it's not gonna get put

(44:06):
back in if and it's actuallygoing to move at a very, very
fast rate in the next like twoto three years specifically.
Absolutely.
And it's gonna change the way alot of people do business, it's
gonna change a lot of differentthings.
And so even you know, even ifyou are a little resistant to
it, I just uh would encourageyou to at least learn about it

(44:28):
because you you you need toknow.
You need to know.
And also, just as a little sidenote, I always say this, but I
feel like I need to continuesaying it.
Those of you parents of littlekids, like they will never be in
a world that doesn't hate haveAI.
So you need to know so that youcan know what they know and know

(44:48):
how they're using it, becauseum, yeah, there's a lot going on
out there.
So, anyway, that's just mylittle side note about that.
Um, so I'm glad that you knowyou brought that up.
And it's it's a part of thestrategy.
Like you can decide however youwant to use it, you know,
essentially.

(45:08):
But I know that um that's partof what you do.
So I wanted to make sure we kindof like touched on that because
some business owners are like,yeah, show me how to do all
these things, you know?
And it makes a huge difference.
I mean, I'm sure you have somany case studies that that we
could go through.
Um, I had a client last week whowas like, we created a custom
GPT for her.

(45:30):
That basically she's like, okay,but now, now what I what do I
do?
What do I do?
Literally, I literally justcreated my whole month of
content and it took me threehours and everything is
scheduled.
What do I do now?
Like you get in that, like Isaid before, you get in that
like fight or flight, like busy,busy, busy mode.
And when you start taking thingsoff your plate, whether it's

(45:51):
with it with AI or a person orboth, you're like, wait, now
what?
And so let's kind of talk aboutthat for a second.
Yeah.
Because I think that that is avery unexpected side effect that
people don't realize is going tohappen until it happens.
They're like, Well, now what doI do with my time?
Okay, well, we talked about itbefore a little bit.

(46:12):
What's moving your business?
So, how have you seen yourclients really be able to show
up more in their business and ortheir lives because they're
delegating and some of thestrategies that you've given
them?

SPEAKER_01 (46:26):
Yeah, that happens very often, you know, all this
time now you have in your handsand you're like, what do I do
with this?
Like, I haven't I haven't hadthis before.
So uh that's when you're gonnadive into what I call your high
level activities, your eitherrevenue generating or
professional personaldevelopment, you know, and in

(46:48):
and in life, right?
To get this, get some back toyour life.
So um understanding what thatmeans.
So when is the last time thatyou actually took time to learn
and perfect that skill thatactually, you know, took you to
start this business to beginwith?
You know, if it's photography,when was the last time you
actually got into learninghigher level skills in

(47:12):
photography and what it means tobe editing in a new program and
all the stuff that's out therewith AI now?
You know, you took the time tocatch up on that.
When was the last time that youactually attended a networking
event in person to connect withpeople again and talk about your
business?
When was the last time that youpitched a collaboration with
somebody else that would bringyou clients over and over and

(47:36):
over again?
You know, that's all revenuegenerating stuff that needs your
time and expertise and energy asa CEO that you do not have if
you're answering emails anddoing all those low-level tasks.
Uh, you know, learning ingeneral.
I I um implemented a learninghalf a day once I start having

(47:57):
more free time.
So Thursday mornings are my dayto learn new things.
So maybe it's a podcast episodethat I haven't had time to
listen to.
Maybe it's a book that I want toread, maybe it's a webinar that
I want to watch, maybe is youknow, there are things related
that maybe it's a long emailthat somebody sent you that you
know that has some value, butyou just didn't have the time to

(48:19):
read when it first came acrossyour inbox.
So I keep a list of like thingsthat I want to look at on
Thursday mornings.
Maybe it's a program thatsomebody mentioned or in, you
know, a talk or a podcast or aconversation, they're like, Oh,
that sounds cool.
Let me go look into what thatis.
And so that's what goes on myThursday morning list.

(48:40):
So I kind of brought learningback into my life, which didn't
have space for that before.
That's one of the first thingsthat get cut from your list once
you're too busy.

SPEAKER_00 (48:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (48:49):
So working on all of that, and then obviously take
time for your family and friendsand for yourself, you know,
whatever that means to you, thatself-care means to you, and
whatever that, you know, renewof your energy.
Um, you know, whatever thattakes for you, just take the
time to go do that.
You know, let's do some planningand start ideating for your
business.

(49:09):
When we're so busy, we don'thave time to dream where we want
to go.
What is things gonna look like?
And you know, CEOs that are toobusy cannot see around the
corners, you know, you justcan't see far ahead.

SPEAKER_02 (49:20):
That's so true.
It's so true.
It's just so interesting.
You get stuck in that for forlong enough, you know, it just
starts to become just the way itis, and it gets a little it even
harder to sort of like break outof that.
But those are I love that you dothat on Thursday mornings.
That's such a great practice.

(49:41):
That's like a really greatlittle tip too.
And honestly, like if it'sscheduled, it'll happen, right?
Like so many people talk aboutdoing it, but like put it on
your calendar and and and makesure that you are intentional
about it.
That's a really big piece of it.
So um, I do have a littlefollow-up question to that, just
because it's kind of on the sametopic.

(50:01):
Before we start talking a littlebit more about your method that
you've created, because likelike I said, this is your zone
of genius.
You even have like a wholeprogram for people walking them
through this.

SPEAKER_01 (50:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (50:12):
We'll get to that in a second.
But um, on this line of, youknow, I usually ask yes, like,
because it's tried and true witha dash of woo.
I usually will ask people like,okay, yes, last we'll talk about
strategies.
We would talk about strategies.
Okay, but what is like your,what is your woo-woo sort of
like me time practice?
And I think that what you justsaid is probably a big piece of

(50:33):
that for you is that you'retaking intentional time to learn
something new.
Do you have anything else thatyou do that you would be
considered a little, you know, alittle woo, a little dreamy, a
little, you know, big picture?

SPEAKER_01 (50:47):
Yeah, I do have a couple of things I love.
Um, I guess just the taking thetime to actually think about
things that we don't think allthe time.
So, which might not sound aswoo-woo, but whenever you're
busy, head down on a day-to-day,you know, it's just not is not
on your list, is off your radar.
So, you know, there's a fewthings that I like to make sure
that I'm always, you know,creating that time to be

(51:09):
intentional with both my family,but also some stuff on my
business that I'm reaching outto to friends, and I'm like, I'm
very kind to myself and talkingwhenever I'm like, you know, I
keep those upper limits kind ofin check.
Am I am I starting toself-sabotage because I don't
believe I can go there?
So there's some affirmationsaround that and things like that

(51:31):
I try to follow.
Um, and just be aware of thesurroundings a little bit more
and be a little bit more quietthan talkative.
So we're listening more thantalking, and and just you know,
help yourself be more open towhat is around you.
I think is a little bit of mywoo-woo.

SPEAKER_02 (51:47):
I love it.
That's awesome.
Do you know your um your humandesign?

SPEAKER_01 (51:52):
It is, I believe it's generator.
I know I'm terrible with humandesign.
No, it's okay.

SPEAKER_02 (51:57):
I I just always like to ask if people know it because
I find it interesting.
You know, it's something that Iuse in my coaching.
I'm not like tied in it, but Ireally, really dig it.
I'm really into it.
So I always really like to ask.
You definitely have generatorvibes, I will say that.
Um, so that would make sense.
Yeah, I know I'm on Enneagrameight.

SPEAKER_01 (52:16):
I'm um, I think I'm a generator.
I'm learning to pay moreattention to that stuff.
I've always struggled withthings like that because I have
a hard time fitting into boxes.
Um because I find myself likefluctuating and be very
adaptable.
So if you put me in the roomfull of like very introverted
people, I can be very quiet andyou know, introverted.

(52:39):
But if you put me in a room withpeople that are very loud and I
can I can go that way too.
So I can kind of shift.
Uh so I find a hard timesometimes like finding a box to
fit, but obviously the older Iget, the more things get shape
up.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (52:54):
No, it's true.
Yeah, I'm I'm very similar.
And I think that that has a lotto do.
Um, I've thought about that alot over the years, just as a
little side note, you know, likeadaptable, being being very
adaptable to the environment.
Um, and I do think that it's askill that has really come in
handy as a photographer, I willsay, right?

(53:14):
Because you've probably seenthat too.
Like I always tell people, youknow, yes, you have to be good
at what you do, but it's apeople job.
And, you know, especially ifyou're weddings and portraits is
what mainly what I'm talkingabout here.
Like you gotta really be able tolike create almost like instant
rapport, get people supercomfortable.

(53:34):
And I think that, you know, Ithink I was probably always like
that, but I got like it thatpart of me developed a lot more.
I think as I became because I'vebeen doing photography for so
long, but as I I became a betterphotographer and like just did
it for so long, it's like secondnature to me now to like just

(53:56):
instantly get people to feelcomfortable.
I would love to do like a littleside study on that.
I find that super fascinatingfor wedding photographers, and
like if we all sort of like havethat chameleon energy of like,
oh, I'm just gonna like becomethis person right now.
Like, and it's not conscious, itjust happened.

SPEAKER_01 (54:15):
Yeah, I think it's like you said, it's like you
have to be good at your job, andwe're not talking about taking
photos.
Yeah, because that's not whatthe job is at all.
Exactly, except the smaller partof the job.
I think you find there's a verylarge percentage of people that
are like that that have to work,which you know, and that's what
I had to do in my previous lifetoo.

(54:36):
So I think that's one of theskills that I definitely carried
over and and then carried overto coaching as well.
You know, you have to be able toadapt and and work with
different people.
Um, but that comes from your ownself-development for sure.

SPEAKER_02 (54:51):
Yes, yes, that's a big piece of it.
And yeah, I know like likemyself, you have also been doing
that for a long, long time, andthat's a really big piece of it.
So thanks for bringing that oneup because yes, that is that is
part of it.
So your CEO delegation method,first of all, I want to talk
about, you know, sort of likewhat what it is and and how it

(55:13):
will help people specifically.
But what made you want to createthis program in the first place,
too?

SPEAKER_01 (55:20):
Yeah, um, it's it's basically the A to Z from
understanding how to utilizedelegation as a sustainable
growth strategy.
So for those people that like meand like many of my clients, at
some point realize that, youknow, you you work harder, you
make more money.
You work harder and you makemore money, but there will be a

(55:42):
time where that work harder hitsa ceiling, but you wanted to
still make more money.
You want this thing still wantto grow.
Like, where do you go fromthere?
So I realized as you know, as Iwent through my coaching is that
a lot of people understand thatthey have to do it, they just
don't know how to do it or whereto start, or they need that

(56:02):
shift in identity to start,right?
So the reason why I created theprogram is to help people pass
that and and start wearing thatCEO hat that we all want to
wear, but then give them aroadmap to do that.
So, what is different, Ibelieve, around about the course
is the fact that it does put abig emphasis, especially in the

(56:25):
first module right off the bat,on the mindset shifts that need
to happen.
Because you can apply all thestrategies I give you, but if
you don't take the time to workon the mindset shifts that need
to happen, it's very likely theoutcome is not gonna be good.
So I think that is the you know,the chef's kiss on the course is

(56:47):
that mindset, you know, um,addressing the mindset shifts
that need to happen.
And then we talk about the whatto delegate, understanding what
tasks and then the how todelegate, what is that gonna
look like, what needs to be umkept, what needs to be
delegated, automated, oreliminated, and who to hire and
how to train them, and thenbuilding the systems and the

(57:10):
processes to support that, andthen how to understand, how to,
you know, change it and continueto evolve as delegation
progresses from delegation oftasks to delegation of results
to delegation of leadership andall the kinds of things that
need to happen as you grow.
So it's a pretty comprehensivecourse to help you take that

(57:33):
next step and continue to scalewithout sacrificing your sanity.

SPEAKER_02 (57:39):
That's awesome.
And so this is people thatpeople can walk through this on
their own, correct?

SPEAKER_01 (57:44):
Like self-paced.
Yeah, we have six modules,self-paced, and that comes with
a one-on-one uh meeting with me.
So, you know, at the end of theday, after you go through
everything, we actually meet andI help make sure that you
understand how to implementthings to the particular ins and
outs of your business.
Because we all have a little bitdifferent, you know, business

(58:04):
running, even if it's the samekind of business, we run things
differently.
So I help you make sure that youimplement everything in a way
that makes sense for yourbusiness.

SPEAKER_02 (58:12):
That's a really big piece of it because everybody's
business, you know, looks alittle different.
So um, and that's the beauty tooof just one-on-one coaching,
which I know you know you do andand I love.
Like there's a piece of me thatwill always love one-on-one
coaching because of that.
So I love that that's also apart of it that people can

(58:34):
actually have that one-on-onetime with you to really
customize it for them.
Because sometimes it can be hardto kind of conceptualize that
stuff on your own, especially ifyou're swimming in burnout, you
know, and you're already likeneck deep and things.
It really does help to havesomeone just sort of like pull
you up from that and be like,okay, here's the 30,000-foot

(58:55):
view, and this is where you needto start.
And so that's fantastic.
Um, I will definitely put thatlink for you guys in the show
notes so you guys can go checkout the course.
Um, but yeah, where do you wantto connect with people?
Like I know that you're prettyactive on Instagram.
So is that a good place to sendpeople to if they want to chat
with you?

SPEAKER_01 (59:13):
Yeah, that's perfect.
You can find me ataccidentalceo.co.
Uh, I'm still the one answeringall my DMs uh because I want to
keep those conversations privateand safe for everybody.
Uh and you can also join my freeFacebook group.
It's called Accidental CEOCollective.
Uh, I go live once a week thereand share some strategies.

(59:35):
And, you know, I'm alwayscheering people on and creating
a safe space for everybody tokind of grow together.
Uh, so love to connect in thosetwo places.

SPEAKER_02 (59:43):
That's awesome.
And you have a podcast as well.
The Accident.

SPEAKER_01 (59:46):
I do.
It's called Accidental CEO, andyou can find all the great
strategies there.
And we'll have Renee there too,very soon.

SPEAKER_02 (59:53):
Yay.
Awesome.
Okay.
Well, thanks so much.
You know, I I love thisconversation and especially the
The heart-centered piece of itbecause you and I are so much on
the same page when it comes tothat and just our coaching in
general.
But I I feel like it's just areally big piece of the
delegation because it it doesyou need to some you need a

(01:00:15):
little bit of guidancesometimes, you know, to actually
pull the trigger and get itdone.
And I hope that um I hope thatanyone who's listening who has
been a little resistant or feelstriggered by it, maybe now it's
not so bad.
Maybe now it's a little lesstriggering for you.
So that was the intent.
There you go.
This is your sign.

(01:00:35):
We're here for you.
Yeah.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Okay.
Told you.
She's pretty awesome.
So let's wrap this episode upwith just a few takeaways that I
really want you to sit withafter this conversation.
Okay.
The first one is delegation isnot about losing control, it's
about reclaiming your energy.
Every task that you hand offcreates more space for you to

(01:00:56):
lead and dream and create.
Second one, busyness is not abadge of honor.
If you started your business forfreedom and fulfillment, but now
you're chained to every singlelittle detail, then it's really
time to check your identity asthe do-it-all person.
Okay.
And start redefining whatsuccess looks like for you.
The third one, delegation isboth emotional and strategic.

(01:01:19):
The mindset shift that has tocome before the action, right?
So until you deal with whyyou're holding on so tightly, no
strategy is gonna really stick.
And you guys who coach with meknow this is this is a lot of
what we do in my coaching.
And then finally, AI and systemscan be part of your team as
well.
So whether it's hiring a VA,outsourcing your editing,

(01:01:43):
creating your own custom GPTlike I do and like I've made for
you guys, support looksdifferent for everyone.
But it always starts with thedecision to stop carrying it all
yourself.
So here's my challenge to youthis week pick one small thing
that you can hand off.
Just one small thing that youcan just hand off, automate or

(01:02:06):
delete.
Notice how it feels in your bodyand let that feeling be your
proof that you can trustyourself to lead differently.
Okay, I'm gonna put all thelinks for you guys that you need
in the show notes, including howto stay in touch with Nana,
because she's like I said in thebeginning, she's amazing.
So you definitely want to stayin her universe and as well as

(01:02:28):
the links to the magic mixersfor the mixer mine that I was
telling you about.
If you're interested in joiningus in that, you need your RSDP
to one like today, because thoseare happening tomorrow and
Friday.
And if you have any questionsabout what the mixer mine is,
just hit me up on Instagram.
I'm happy to answer somequestions about whether it's
right for you or not.

(01:02:48):
Um, so hit me up there.
And just a reminder as well, Idon't do these very often, but
I'm doing 90-minute one-on-onecalls in November and December
because there's a lot of youguys who are really needing more
support.
Okay.
And maybe a coaching containerisn't just not right for you or

(01:03:11):
it's inaccessible for you rightnow.
I am signing up 2026 six-monthcontainers, three-month and
six-month containers right nowas well.
So the link to book a call forthose is below.
Like we have to chat before yousign up for that because it is a
commitment and don't work witheverybody.
Like it's gotta feel right forboth of us, obviously.
What I do is really differentthan a lot of coaches.

(01:03:32):
I'm not just gonna teach youlike what worked for me.
We're gonna dig into yourbusiness, we're gonna talk about
strategy, but I work with humandesign.
Um, I work with your astrology,I work with a lot of
self-awareness tools, and wealchemize all of those so that
it works for you and how youwant your business and your life
to look and feel.
That's the thing.
I want this to be integratedinto your body.

(01:03:53):
I was a massage therapist.
I'm really big on this mind-bodyconnection.
So I might not be the rightcoach for you.
You might not be into that.
That's totally fine.
Um, I like to call myself amodern mystic.
Like, I'm gonna help you in allthe different areas of your life
because it's not just aboutstrategy.
I can teach you all the things,but like if you don't integrate

(01:04:17):
them and sort of like let go ofsome stuff, make some room, do
some unconscious reprogramming,it's not gonna stick.
Might stick for like a month ortwo, but it's not gonna stick
long term.
And I don't want you to need meforever.
That's the thing.
I want you to be able to learnand transform and transmute this
energy into something incrediblefor you and your business.

(01:04:39):
So that we have to book a callfor.
That link is below.
It's the renee.io slash book acall.
And then if you you need help,like right now, before 2026, if
you want to just kind of likehit on pricing or a new strategy
or a new funnel or whatever thatis, or maybe you just need some
heart-centered support where youcan let go and you can really

(01:05:03):
start to like dig into some ofthose old patterns, these
unconscious patterns that youknow are running on repeat and
you want to break it.
This is a great opportunity foryou to grab a 90-minute
one-on-one with me.
That link is below.
You we don't need to talk priorto that.
You can just schedule it, it'llshow up on my calendar and we
will meet.
And that also includes afollow-up email.

(01:05:26):
Like where I'm gonna go aheadand like give you an action
plan, like a very detailedaction plan based on what we
talk about.
Um, and then you do also getdiscounts on Voxer coaching if
you want to continue going backand forth a little bit about
that over Voxer.
So that's an option as well.
Um, but yeah, there's only a fewspots for those 90-minute

(01:05:47):
one-on-ones.
So if if that speaks to you, goahead and grab one.
But I just want you guys feelingreally calm and focused,
centered and excited for 2026.
We are in a very tumultuous,energetic time.
That's not gonna change anytimesoon.
Just so you guys know.

(01:06:08):
Now through definitely through2027 and even into almost 2030,
it's gonna be a lot.
It's gonna feel, it's gonna feellike a lot.
Okay.
You gotta be the one centeringyourself.
You've got to be the one findingyour own foundation and creating

(01:06:29):
that sense of peace foryourself.
And I'd love to help you do thatif that speaks to you.
So that's all for now.
You guys have a great rest ofyour week.
If you need me, you know whereto find me at Renee Bowen over
on Instagram.
And I'd love to hear what youthink about this episode.
As always, you can rate thisepisode too at
ratethispodcast.com slash ReneeBowen.
And you guys just go out thereand do something awesome.

(01:06:51):
Be good to yourself this week,okay?
Love you.
Bye.