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Hello and welcome to this episode of Tripology, the only
backpacking show where the hostsare perpetually nomadic on the
road, moving about the globe like a pair of little
travellers. I'm Alan and I'm here with the
ever poor seen Adam. Every now and again you use an
adjective that I don't know and I've never heard you're going to
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have to describe. Poor scene to me mate.
I think it sounds quite negative.
It is one of the few adjectives that has negative connotations
that I've ever used to describe you, but I can justify it
thusly. Basically, Adam poor scene means
possessive of the qualities of apig.
However, I don't regard you in such a manner, but I would like
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to tell a story which involves apig and via that process had
want to describe you as poor scene all.
Right, so nothing, nothing but asegue.
Yeah, this weeks adjectives was very much a vehicle with which I
would like to move swiftly to a destination as yet unknown to
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you. And that is my description of a
time in the Philippines, very recent time where I went to
experience a Fiesta. It was a very exciting time.
You don't know what a Fiesta is.I'm I take it I don't really
understand what a Fiesta is, butI've been lucky enough to make
some good friends here in Shagaowhere I'm basing myself.
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And one day one of them said Alan, we're going to go to
Fiesta. And from the moment those words
left his lips as an utterance, my life cascaded into such a
wondrous like series of events, I couldn't help but rush to a
microphone to share them with you.
Right. I'm excited.
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I I do remember actually being in the Philippines world both
times when I was there in Manilawith you and also when I was
there previously, the heavy influence of the Spanish there.
So I would hazard a guess that Fiesta's got something to do
with the part of your celebration.
There is a sort of party celebration aspects to it.
Yeah, Fiesta usually basically I'm I now understand that
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Fiesta's a cultural celebrationsthat take place on a barangay
level, like as a neighborhood and they often like celebrate a
patron St. of the neighborhood or some of the significant event
to the neighborhood. They spring up all over the
island. They're ever so exciting.
And my friend said we're going to rent a car.
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We're going to gather sort of a lot of people are friends.
We're all going to drive down inthis truck.
You have a prime position in thebackseat of the truck, but
there'll be people in the truck bed.
We're all going to drive from the South of Shagao, where we
currently are, up to the north to a barangay called Burgas,
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which is having its Fiesta. And we'll stay in a place there.
We'll surf, we'll explore, and we'll eat.
Food, which is the primary, as far as I can tell, draw of a
Fiesta is the consumption of a lechon.
Do you know all about Lechon, myfriend?
I think we had some lechon when we were together.
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Is it simply sort of barbecued pig belly, something along those
lines? We had a.
Lechon together in in in the waythat someone who has kicked a
ball can be said to be a footballer.
But really, Lechon in its raw, fundamental sense, is this pig
on a spit that's been turned androasted for several hours on the
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morning of Fiesta. This family, one family in the
barangay, they put this pig on aspit.
They turn that guy for hours andhours and hours starting at 5:00
AM and then around lunchtime they invite everyone into the
house is an open feast where thelechon the pig is served up.
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You go and just slice off bits with a knife.
You can also like there's there's shrimp and calamari and
all this stuff laid out in bowlsand the whole vibe of the Fiesta
is just come eat. There's abundance.
We all share together. We all have a family dinner.
They were like excited to have us there.
They were live streaming, Instagramming.
We were talking to them. It was like a really beautiful,
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inclusive family time. I enjoyed it very much.
But Anthony Bourdain is on record as saying that lechon,
the Filipino spit roasted pig, is the best pig on planet Earth.
And I have to say, after eating this family's lechon, I have to
agree with him. It was something fairly
astonishing. How the hell first of all, has
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this not been a rice for breakfast section And second of
all, you mentioned Anthony Bourdain.
If you weren't going to, I was. Because I know you're a massive
fan of his and that experience sounds very Bourdain esque.
Yeah, and like a Bourdain episode, there was a fair amount
of drinking going on, although Imyself didn't partake because I
was so blown away by the pig. I thought if this is what's
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going on in my mouth from a taste bud perspective, alcohol
would serve only to limit that experience because it was truly
like the the crackling of the skin, the juice seen us of the
pork to our vegetarian listeners.
I mean, sometimes I'm on board with a bit of vegetarianism, but
in this case, a little bit of local lechon spit roasted.
It was something quite remarkable and obviously a deep
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seated cultural practice in the Philippines.
And what was the the nicest thing about it was the the level
of joy and acceptance that like all the families from the from
the barren guy came and descended upon this house and
ate their food. It was like, so it was like big
family Christmas dinner, but thefamily was the neighborhood.
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Well, yeah, it's amazing. I mean, just hazardous.
Guess what sort of how many people are we talking about?
I mean like upwards of 50 hundreds, even more.
I reckon 100 people came throughthat house and ate of that
Latron, yeah. And you got side dishes going
on, bit of music, anything like that.
Many side dishes, lots of music.There was like we, we were
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staying just down the road so wehad a couple of skateboards and
surfboards and we were going around doing all these
activities in the the town hall,the basketball court.
There was like a beauty pageant going on and a talent show with
dancing and I I imagine there's like lots of different
neighborhood houses that open themselves up within the barren
guy and every barren guy on chaga, of which there are, there
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are several have their own fiestas.
They spring up at all different times depending on what their
patron St. is or what they're celebrating.
So there, there's like many thatyou can go to all around all
through the year. God that sounds amazing.
So have you now got your ear to the ground to try and get
yourself to some other fiestas in the on the island?
I have can like I've considered basically making it a weekly
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goal to hunt down a Fiesta goingon somewhere.
I don't know if that's an abuse of the tacitly friendly and
communal nature of a Fiesta, butI did have ever such a good
time. And I think that's what's nice
right about staying in one placefor a little longer.
I've been in Chagall for over a month now and I will be staying
here for for a longer period of time.
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I'm going to use this as a base to do a bunch of things.
And what's really nice is that you do make local friends, you
do meet people who are doing interesting things like this
Fiesta. I think a lot of the travellers
here staying in hostels wouldn'tnecessarily know, oh, there's a
Fiesta going on a couple of hours N but the fact that I've
been here a little while and made those friends has given me
access to to little cultural goings on that I otherwise
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wouldn't have been able to to goand experience.
So that's nice, isn't it? It's very nice indeed.
Yeah, I think that everyone should always try and get
involved in stuff like that if they have the opportunity.
I know that obviously there's vegetarian and vegans that maybe
would go for the party but not partake in eating the food.
And I know how prevalent pork and, and eating pigs is in the
Philippines because not only does it seem like the sort of
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protein of choice, but also, do you remember when we're in
Banali in the rice terraces? And we were actually on our way
back from a market that was alsoheld in a basketball court?
I don't quote me on it, but I'm pretty sure that a lot of good
things happen in basketball courts in the Philippines.
But on the way back, we saw a couple of pigs getting sort of
captured from what seemed like off the street into a trailer
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and then driven up the road in avia motorbike.
And even though we all ate pork on that trip and we all maybe
you less than than me and the other guy, but consume meat on a
regular basis, One thing travelling does is really,
really like reduces the gap between eating meat and seeing
the animal sort of, you know, gothrough.
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It's emotional. I don't know, you know, whatever
it goes, I mean. A bloody screeching at the top
of his voice. It was terrifying.
Yeah, I mean, in the West we really disguise that very well.
But when you see a Le Chan on a stick being turned, there's no
divorcing yourself from the actuality that that was an
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animal that existed and lived and then was put, you know, with
a stick going into it's mouth and out of it's arse over a fire
and roasted until it was, you know, cooked through.
There's no divorcing yourself from that eventuality.
Obviously. It's like pretty much the same
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process and as as what goes on in the UK when we kill a chicken
and put it on a spit. But rotisserie chicken's what
I'm talking about. You might see one in the
supermarket if you go. One of the cultural things you
can do in the UK conversing withthe Philippines is go to a
supermarket and see a rotisseriechicken.
So here, replace the chicken with a lechon and replace the
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the supermarket with a lovely community's back garden, and
you've pretty much got what I experienced.
Yeah, dude, Fiesta. I loved it a lot.
I was struck by the friendlinessof the people.
I was struck with how much a part of it I felt.
And I'm going to continue doing amazing things like that going
forward. That's why I'm really excited
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about bedding down in Chagall for an extended period of time.
But what I would love is for right now to sort of train my
backpacking eye and ear because I feel like one thing that
happens when you bed down in a place for too long is that you
lose your backpacking flair. And we have a solution for this
anthropology podcast. We have a little hypothetical
backpacker training ground and Ineed you to test me with some
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travelling hypotheticals. Can you do that for?
Me, I can mate. Let's go over to a tripological
reasoning. Tripological reasoning.
What would you do? Trilogical reasoning is the only
reasonable way to practice backpacking without having to go
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through the sheer hell of havingto do it for yourself.
And on this episode, you're going to ask me some
hypothetical questions. I'm going to tell you what I
would do and you can tell me whether you think I did a good
job or not. Yeah, no, I'm looking forward to
this one, mate, because you are exactly the sort of person that
needs to be asked these questions and all will become
clear very shortly. It's pretty niche.
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It's pretty, you know, you mighteven think that I've invented
it, invented it just for you. However, just imagine this,
right? You like your sleep, don't you?
You like your sleep. You're a very good sleeper.
I would I would say you are quite a consistent sleeper.
You normally go to bed. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I know you're surfing. You're in a different routine
now. You're talking 11 midnight
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maybe, maybe stay up. You're doing some editing late,
but you do like to sleep throughuntil 8:00.
Yeah, you can see me taped up, mouth closed shot with some
medical tape by 11:00, snoozing for a good 8 hours before
getting up, having a coffee and doing some jiu jitsu.
Yeah, I know you better than most.
You've got a routine. You stick to it, and it works.
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Now picture this. You're in a hostel, You're in a
dorm, the dorm's full. There's probably 3-4 different
dorms in the same building. And at 6:00 AM, you're woken up
to the sound. I'm going to reproduce the
sound, but the sound is like someone is having a panic
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attack. If you can try.
And it was kind of, you know, intermittent, a little bit
sporadic, some screams. Think of, you know, maybe I'm
probably going to risk getting cancelled here.
But it's like as if someone's having sex perhaps and trying to
sort of keep it down or or if someone who maybe has, I
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definitely can't say that. OK, was that the one that was
going to get you cancelled because the thing about sex
wasn't but you were thinking forward?
Yeah, yeah, I'm thinking forward.
It just sounded like someone wasin a lot of trouble, a lot of
distress and definitely needed help.
So. OK.
So you sort of think, OK, this is going on for about 20 minutes
now and? And no one was helping.
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No one. That's a sad indictment of the
hostile scene, isn't? It no one was helping.
It was so unbelievably early as well.
It was so early that you're kindof disorientated.
And then you go downstairs to where the noise is coming from.
You see that three or four otherbackpackers have already woken
up and have decided have been woken up by this noise.
And now we're just deciding to stay awake in the foyer, looking
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very angry at each other. And as you peer around the
corner into the kitchen, there is a gentleman who is wearing
headphones. He's standing up at the.
Kitchen 1, gentleman. One gentleman, he's standing up
in the kitchen, 66 AM, 630, wearing headphones, watching his
phone which is perched on a kitchen worktop.
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And he's got a live fight of theUFC.
And the sound is him shadow boxing and pretending to punch
and kick and be involved in the fight as much as he's reliving
what's going on in the kitchen of the hostel.
Mental, yeah. I mean, this is the thing.
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I'm empathetic to his enjoyment of the fights, so I sort of want
to be on his team. However, has he got headphones
in though? Yeah, but the sound is him doing
the size and the punches and the, you know, sort of cheering
from time to time. What?
And that's? Enough to wake up a whole hostel
full of people. I mean, we're talking loud,
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Alan. We're talking seriously loud.
So is. He oblivious because he's got
headphones in. He's oblivious to how loud he's
being. Yeah, he's yeah.
So he's got headphones on and he's American.
Yeah, it's going to be difficultfor me to do this as a
tripological reasoning because what I actually do is I've, I'm
already up because I would have been watching the UFC, so I
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would have already been awake. I, I, I personally would have
gone into the foyer, laptop, headphones on wherever the Wi-Fi
was best and just watched the fight in quite a calm, sedate
sort of a way. Having seen him up and so
passionate shadowboxing, I wouldprobably have reached out to him
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across, you know, a human barrier and said, hey, would you
like to watch the UFC with me? What do you think of these
fights? I would have connected with him
on a visceral level. That's not a good tripological
reasoning, though. So I'm going to have to
transpose it to like, what? What if it was something I
wasn't so into that he was doing?
So I can be suitably. But you know what I would do,
Adam? I would take it upon myself to
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go up to that person and say, mate, what are you doing?
Please shut up. You've experienced me say that
to people in hostels, haven't you?
Do you remember that old guy in the hostel in Mumbai?
He was playing with that radio. Oh yeah, yeah, I do.
Actually, yeah. And who confronted him?
It was you. It was you that represented the
whole dorm. Yeah, the whole.
Dorm was upset with that guy playing what can only be
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described as radio tuning frequencies, and I said listen
mate, you've got to stop doing that.
And he went, oh, calm down man. So we never found out where he
was from actually. No, that's why I gave him an
ambiguous accent. Yeah, so the transatlantic
difficult to pin, but I mean, take take the UFC out of it
because I know you're obviously a mixed martial arts fan and you
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do watch the UFC almost religiously.
You are also someone who really gets into fights.
And I would say in in the in thesame way, imagine this guy
really getting into the fight. But if we take the UFC out of it
or the fight out of it and we put something else in there, I
what is going through this guy'shead that he thinks it's
acceptable at six, 6:30 in the morning to to, to be behaving
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like that in a hostel? I mean, I just can't.
Let's come fathom here. I think at that point you've
lost all perspective as a resultof your fandom and your
enjoyment of the particular thing.
But what what staggers me about that is that he has gone through
the necessary precautions to notwake everyone up.
Like, he's gone to a different area, he's got out of his bed,
he's gone to a different area, and then he's putting
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headphones, but then he's got too excited about the fight
itself. And then all of those
precautions have gone out of thewind.
Yeah, well, you know, I'm going to come clean.
This did happen to me. And I've been keeping this a
secret from you because I wantedto say it live in an episode
because, you know, I thought it's very appropriate to you and
what you, what you enjoy. But it happened to me in Kobe
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last year, sort of last November, December time.
And the way that I dealt with the situation that I think of, I
hold my hands up. The problem I've got is that I'm
not the best communicator and especially if I'm dealing with
people I don't know and they're doing something that is so
unfathomable, something that I just cannot comprehend.
I go from zero to 100 before I've even had a chance to, you
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know, think about how I articulate a sentence.
So I walked downstairs when I, when it got to the point where
it was unbearable, when I just thought this, this whatever's
happening is serious and I need to go and help this person.
I went downstairs, saw the people that were down in the
foyer, a couple of them sort of like chatting, whispering to
each other on a on a couch. And then I walked around the
corner, saw this guy. I was incredulous beside myself
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at what was going on. And I walked straight up to him
in front of the phone so that hehe had to look at me.
I tapped him on the shoulder andhe was like none the wiser.
He took his headphones off, big smile on his face, and went, oh,
hey, man. I said, what the fuck do you
think you're doing? And he was like, what?
What do you mean? I said, what the fuck are you
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doing? He was like, I'm just watching
the fight, man. I was like, it's 6:30 in the
morning, you've woken everyone up.
He was like, oh, you guys can hear him.
Oh, I'm so sorry. It's just getting into the
action there. I was like, mate, you can't do
that. You can't behave like this in
Arsenal. I like him, he.
Was like, you know, went right into his shell and then, you
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know, walked out. He sort of peered round and
everyone was like, yeah, man, we've been, we've been up for
hours, mate. It's like awful.
You've woken us all up. Felt he felt really bad.
But you know, still, I just think it's nuts, man.
It's nuts. Well, if he's listening, I'd
like to hear his side of the story because I would like to
know who was fighting because there's a few fights that have
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gone on that really justify his level of enthusiasm and a few
fights which really didn't. So I think depending on what
this is pending, because depending on whether he can get
in touch with thosetripologypodcast.com
contact form there, I'm either on his side or yours.
But I think, you know, basicallyit was disrespectful to be so
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loud in a hostel. We all know that.
And I think you did the right thing by confronting him.
So well done to you and well done to me for saying the right
answer in a tropological reasoning.
It's about time, Adam, for us tohear from a listener.
Maybe it will be that guy. Maybe he sent one in.
We don't know who it is until wehit play, but it's going to be
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Tales of a Trip. You can go to our website,
tripologypodcast.com/tales of a Trip, and you can basically
record your greatest travel story.
We'll play it on the show and we're going to listen to one
right now. OK, I have a good story that I
was recommended to send in from a friend.
When she heard what you guys aredoing with the podcast, she came
straight to me to get me to tellthis story.
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So I flew to New Zealand in February to go travelling.
I was flying from the UKI took off from London.
I flew to Vancouver. I spent 12 hours in Vancouver.
I've actually got on my flight from Vancouver to Auckland.
I sit down and I'm in the middlesection of the plane and I think
brilliant, There's no one next to me.
I've got all three seats to myself.
I go to the loo, I come back andthere's a couple next to me, a
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boy next to me and a girl on theother side of him.
He asked me for some water for my water bottle and I'm like,
yeah, sure, with a he's very cute.
Me, this guy. We start chatting, he introduces
himself, I introduce myself, yada, yada, yada.
I go and watch a couple of films.
He goes and does his thing, we put our earphones in, The first
meal comes around, we start chatting over the meal.
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I ask him why he'd been in Scotland because that's where he
was coming from and we were justkind of getting to know each
other. By this point I'd established he
wasn't with the girl next to himbecause he hadn't spoken to her
once and she'd put her eye mask on.
Anyway, chat goes on and then I go and watch a film.
I go and watch When Harry Met Sally and he is actually playing
the little quiz on the screen infront of him on the plane.
Bear in mind this is a 14 hour flight so that was a long time
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between all of these events. Anyway, we chat over the.
We then end up chatting a bit more like I'm helping him with
this quiz. There's a little bit of leg
touching, there's a bit of giggling like he's really
friendly. We're getting on really well.
Anyway, eventually the armrest comes up between US and his hand
is on my leg. And bear in mind this is a night
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flight. And also, I had established that
he was 6 foot 2. He then takes his cap baseball
cap off and his little neck pillow.
And I'm thinking, OK, what's going to happen here?
And yeah, we end up snogging on the plane.
And this goes on and we're cuddling on the flight and we're
kissing, and we're having a great time.
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I'm having a wonderful time. This is a good way to see
through this flight. And yeah, my seat was back, so
the people behind us would have been able to see us snogging on
the plane. And there wasn't just one snog,
there was multiple. So the air hostesses would have
been like check out row 32 because they didn't know each
other when they got on the plane.
The poor girl on the other side of him, I dread to know what she
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was thinking through this flight.
Anyway, we get to the airport. We walk through the airport
together. He has a Kiwi passport.
I have an English passport. I have to queue up to declare my
shoes because you have to declare if you have like
different types of shoes. Anyway, I spend 3 hours in the
airport, he gets through straight away but he had to
catch an internal flight so by the time I got through security
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the other side, he was gone and we didn't get each other's
numbers. But I did find him on Facebook.
So that's my story. I never saw him again.
We were both ginger, which adds to the story.
So yeah, there you go. Mental.
There we go from Georgie. Thank you so much for sending it
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in the New Zealand Border control shoe policy, keeping
both seeds and relationships from blossoming erroneously in
New Zealand for a very long time.
Of course, they don't want you bringing shoes into New Zealand
in case you introduce the seeds of invasive species onto their
soil, but it seems in this instance, Adam, to have
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prevented a beautiful ginger relationship from from forming.
I mean, that is just so outside of anything I've I've
experienced or can even imagine happening to me I think.
Never happened to you? Have you ever formed a romance
on any public transport? I mean, maybe maybe hit it off,
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maybe, you know, to the point where you think, oh, that person
was really lovely. You exchanged details, you
agreed to keep in touch. And maybe there was a little bit
of flirting going on, or you canfeel that sort of energy, that
sexual tension, but not to the point where you're just snogging
a stranger on a flight. Yeah, it's quite bold, isn't it?
Will Self often says that flyingis the antithetical medium to
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walking, and I myself have had romances blossom on free walking
tours, but never on a paid flight.
So what? That tells you something about
the key differences between me and Georgie.
You know, for me it takes basically a long time walking in
order to try and establish A rapport and a connection.
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But I suppose a flight is is actually a better, well,
actually a fight. You have much longer than a
walking tour, don't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, much and much
less walking as well. You have a real.
Captive audience for a long time.
So I think for me, maybe what ittells me is that I thrive on the
intermittent short 30 seconds you get between the tour guide
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piping up in which I can sort ofgive the best of myself.
And then when I sort of run out of things to say or I'm getting
a bit annoying, the tour guide goes, oh, and look, this is the
Duomo de Milano. And then I think, thank God,
that's so great, he's doing that, and I'll do a bit more
conversation. Georgie had to deal with
uninterrupted flirtation for fora whole flight.
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Or they still have movies, I suppose.
I wonder if like this sort of speaks to the parallel universes
where where anything can be curated.
There's there's always like, youknow, things can happen if you
if you just say the right thingsin the right order.
Like I wonder if there's a parallel universe where he
actually gets off with the girl on the left that put the eye
mask on. Yeah, yeah.
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So do we describe to a deterministic process of what we
think went on that flight? Was it, you know, was it Harry
Met Sally? If the other girl had refused to
put the eye mask on and she'd put an equally captivating ROM
com, then he'd have been playingthe quiz in the middle seat,
looking over at Harry Met Sally,looking over 51st dates.
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And he's thinking, goodness, who?
Who shall I? Who shall I raise the armrest in
between now? Yeah, yeah.
I'm sure maybe Georgie's gone. I'll have the vegetarian option,
please. And he's gone.
So will I. Oh wow, wouldn't that be a
beautiful moment? I found it incredibly bold that
Georgie had had that experience with, let's call him Man. 6 foot
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2 ginger Kiwi. With six foot two man and And
yet at no point did the exchanging of numbers be
discussed, presumably because when phones are in flight mode,
they're out of sight and out of mind.
Yeah, well, maybe that's what makes it so pure.
Maybe that's what travelling is all about.
Maybe that experience, you know,could only have happened in this
context. And sometimes there's something
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just so innocent and so beautiful that you don't
necessarily need to to punctuateit with, oh, I guess we got to
exchange Instagrams now. Now she's blasted it all over
the podcast. I wonder if this guy is going to
be listening thinking, hang on, I'm 6 foot two.
I'm ginger. I kissed a girl on a.
Flight and I do quizzes on planes.
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Yeah. I think there's something
intrinsically romantic about taking public transport at night
because the the times where I'vebeen travelling as part of a
relationship and we've taken a little night bus together, I
found it quite like intimate. Sexy.
A little bit sexy, Yeah. You know, you look sort of like
they're all cuddled up on a seatand you know, you're in it for
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the long haul. And you know it's going to be a
terrible, uncomfortable journey where you both arrive tired and
bleary eyed at your next location, but you'll make it
through together. I think that's quite sweet you.
Just say at the beginning of thejourney.
I mean, frankly, it'll be more weird if we didn't have sex.
I've got to be honest, love, I have to take my contact lenses
out on these on these long bus rides, so I'm not going to see a
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damn thing. Oh, I love it.
You love to hear it. I mean, that is so different
from every story we've had so far.
Yeah, and that's what I liked about it.
It was all different, wasn't it?And if you've got a sort of sexy
tale, perhaps you met someone and very quickly found yourself
gallivanting off onto the rooftop of an hostel.
I want to hear from you. tripologypodcast.com/tales of
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the trip. What's your greatest, sexiest,
most memorable, most heartbreaking, most beautiful
travel memory? Me and Adam want to listen to it
and expose it to the world on this big beautiful podcasts.
Or you can just type as an e-mail.
There's contact form there as well.
But right now, we're going to goto a little section that takes
place beyond the podcast that you can access only on Patreon,
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Tribology podcast. Let's go there right now.
Adam, thank you for joining me for the ride.
Yeah, we'll see you there. See you on the next one.
Ciao. See you next week.
Bye.