August 22, 2024 • 31 mins
What happens when a promising career runs into a wall of envy and impossible expectations? Join us as we sit down with Tish, who opens up about her tumultuous journey through corporate America. Her rapid rise and strong relationships with senior management were abruptly halted by a toxic manager's relentless efforts to undermine her. Tish's story is a powerful testament to the emotional strain of toxic workplaces and the immense resilience it takes to weather such storms.
Ever wondered how faith and perseverance can turn unemployment into an opportunity? Tish's narrative takes an inspiring twist as she recounts her period of joblessness, buoyed by an unexpected increase in unemployment benefits. During this time, she taught herself HR systems and Excel, leading to her first HR job despite initial self-doubt. When faced with more workplace adversity, Tish chose to advocate for herself, resigning rather than compromising her values. Her experience underscores the crucial role of self-advocacy, and the fortitude gained through professional challenges.
In a remarkable journey of faith, divine guidance, and entrepreneurial spirit, Tish reveals how she was led to a pivotal HR role without formal qualifications, eventually launching her own company, Tish Co. A profound spiritual vision during a fast propelled her to accept this unexpected corporate opportunity. We discuss the importance of keeping vows to God and the transformative power of sharing testimonies. Connect with Tish as she navigates trauma with grace and advocates for others in the corporate world.
What is Trauma? Trauma is a deeply distressing or disturbing experience. An emotional response to a terrible event like an accident, rape, abuse, neglect or natural disaster.
- How to cope with Trauma Talk to a few trusted people, open up about your struggle, seek online support groups, read self-help books or practice small acts of self-care such as meditation, breathwork, yoga and exercise can help you regain some feeling of control.”
- Find a therapist Get Started (betterhelp.com)
Online Psychiatric Medication & Mental Telehealth Services - Rx Anxiety, Depression & Insomnia Treatment | Cerebral - Triumph Over Trauma Scripture: II Corinthians 2:14 Now thanks be unto to God, who always causes us to Triumph in Christ....
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey y'all, welcome to Triumph Over Trauma, the
podcast.
Listen y'all.
I created this podcast because,like so many other people, I've
had a traumatic past.
I didn't always realize howthose things affected me
negatively and how I evencarried them into my adult life,
and so I wanted to create aspace where other people could
come and we could have candidconversations on how you
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identify trauma, how do younavigate it and how you recover
from traumatic experiences.
If this resonates with you,then join me.
I am your host and traumasurvivor, ms Eve McNair.
Let's get into it.
As you know, we're doing aseries called your Story, where
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we're gathering people's stories, from people just like you and
I, from all over the world, whowant to testify as to what
they've experienced, how it hasaffected them and where they are
now.
So we're going to welcome tothe show Tish.
She's going to tell us a littlebit about her story.
We have a few questions to goover.
We're going to jump right in sowe can get started with the
(01:03):
questions.
How are you today?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I am well.
How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I'm doing well also.
Thank you so much for joiningme on today.
I've been getting so many ofthese stories and every time I
hear them I'm literally blownaway.
Just a testament to the gloryof God.
And God is, you know, trulydoing inside of us as a people,
those of us who have hadtraumatic experiences and, of
course, speaking of trauma, canyou describe for me a time, or
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even times, where youexperienced something traumatic?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
oh, so I'm gonna stick to corporate pcsd a little
bit.
I'm sure you get a lot of therelationship um trauma, a lot of
the family trauma.
I don't want to talk aboutcorporate trauma and the
traumatic experience because itdidn't cause me.
That's not one that a lot ofpeople like to talk about or are
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aware of.
So mine was corporate, and whenI say traumatizing, I don't
still come around the curve ofit.
Wow, yeah it has been a journey,to say the least.
Mine dates back for a couplefew years, I want to say.
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My first corporate experiencewith trauma was because I don't
want to name any companies was afew years ago, um, a company I
had been working with for likeabout three years.
Okay, uh I worked there forabout three years, had great
relationship with the owner ofthe company, the ceo.
The coo moved up very like,very quickly in the company made
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a good accomplishment formyself.
Um, and then ran into my firstum envious manager or colleague
yeah, it was.
So it was different for me toprocess because I genuinely had
not um, I don't I typicallydon't have a java spirit, like
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it's not something that comes,you know.
I mean, I'm always cheeringother people on, I'm always
supportive.
Um, I feel like my time willcome.
If it's meant for me, it'll beso.
I didn't know how to process itbut honestly, I didn't know
what it was okay, it was justeverything that this person,
like anything that I tried to dothat was succeeding.
They tried to set me back.
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So, um, it's so.
Oh my gosh, like I love to tellthis story, because I tell it
to people about how I got towhere I am and how God works,
Like what saved me in my bed.
God made me in my bed.
It's so real.
So, with this particularparticular situation, we came
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around for performance reviewsand, um, at that time my baby,
my daughter, was like really shewas a baby she got sick.
Um, so when I came back to workfrom smla, he assigned me my
performance review and heassigned me all this like excel
training, like a bunch oftraining that had nothing to do
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with my job and I'm like sittinghere like uh, addition to my
workload which was alreadypretty heavy, and I'm asking him
like, oh, can I have overtimeto work through this?
no, oh wow I was like so I haveto do this on the clock and I
have to push out all of thisstuff.
And he was like, yeah, and Iwas like there's no way possible
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that I'm gonna be able to getall this done.
And he was like well, if youwant to work on it in your own
time, you can, but it won't bepaid okay, and this was your,
this was your direct managerthis was my direct manager so at
the time.
I'm just like happy to be here,like, okay, I'm gonna work it
out.
You know, I took it to the chinand so I'm like whatever, like
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what is this excel training?
So I did, I pushed back alittle bit.
I'm like what is this exceltraining?
Have to do with my role?
Like my role doesn't need this,like give me something else,
like as a goal or um, an actionplan.
And he like well, this is whatI have for you.
And so I'm asking my peers likehey, what's he working on for
your performance review?
And she was like I haveovertime, like he's letting me
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stay late oh, wow and early.
I'm like looking like wait, sowhy do I not have the same
autonomy?
And I was like I'm not gonna goand take it to the COO or the
CEO, like I'm not, even though Isat in the room with them a lot
, um, I didn't bring it up tothem at all.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I did not.
What was, what was your thoughtbehind not bringing it to them?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
um, I just I kind of was like trying to gauge it and
see, and I just didn't want tocreate a deeper, darker
situation.
Then I felt like I was alreadylike right in trouble, like I
don't want the whole team, likeI just don't want to bring it up
and someone else misses theiropportunity for their overtime
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or whatever.
I don't want to do that, so Idid okay and long story short
right after I.
So I succeeded.
Okay, I came out.
I had three days left tocomplete all the trainings.
I had completed them all duringmy time.
All I was.
I didn't do any overtime.
I did work a couple of hourslike on my own leisure.
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Basically, I was successful.
Performance review came aroundand I was met with 50 cent raise
and a layoff.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Wow, I was not expecting that.
So was your layoff performancebased.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Well then he tried to say so I got the 50 cent raise
the first week.
The very next week, whicheveryone else got $1.75 or $2
raises, I got 50 cents and itwas.
You know, you can't bepenalized for being on FMLA.
But he was saying like oh well,you were working on this, maybe
you didn't have time to work onyour other stuff.
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And I was like no, nobody lostpower.
So I worked for an energycompany at the time Nobody lost
power.
Like nothing was missing,nothing at all.
Nothing was based on equipment.
And I was like okay, so you'reembarrassed because you were
defeated and it's what I thought.
So I kid you not.
I just heard you know, peace bestill.
So I'm sitting at the table andI'm looking like, okay, I have
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this baby.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
At that time I was going through a split up.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Everything is about to be on me.
I'm a single mom with two kids.
Now, I don't have a job Right.
And when I tell you I was aboutto be on me, I'm a single mom
with two kids.
Now I don't have a job rightand when I tell you I was about
to break down in tears but I'mlike no, god got me, so I did, I
signed it and I was like I haveone last request okay and um he
looked.
I was like can I use yourcomputer right quick, like I
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just want to fill out myunemployment before I leave here
, just in case I can't getthrough.
He was like you're not mad.
And I was like no, I'm not mad.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
He asked you if you weren't mad.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
He asked me if I was not mad.
And the girl was looking.
The HR girl was looking likethis is a little Person.
Yeah, she was like.
I was like no, it's just.
I promise you can watch me login and do my.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
This is like a little Person.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, I was like no, it's just.
I promise you can watch me login and do my claim or whatever.
If you say no, then it's fine.
And she was looking like shedoesn't seem upset.
She was trying to gauge and seeif I was a disgruntled person
if I was stuck at the?
computer and I'm like no girl.
It is perfectly fine as well.
My daughter is still recovering, so this is perfect, like I'll
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be at home with my children thatevening.
I filed my unemployment.
I did ask them.
I said hey, can you make sureto give me, can you make sure
that you give me a layoff likemy layoff paper?
or whatever before I leave,because I don't want to wait on
it and I'm just going to submitit with my claim.
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So I filed for unemployment.
When I tell you, trust what Godallows, because the
unemployment at that time theydid a double or something and I
didn't work for a year.
I did not have to work for ayear and when I tell you I did
not miss out on anything.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
The kids were just fine.
My bills were all paid becauseunemployment went up Like.
I don't even know what happened, how they ended it or how they
doubled it at that time.
I didn't do anything, it justwas there.
I was able to get statebenefits for, like food stamps,
and at that time I made adecision to what I was going to
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do next.
I prayed and I was like God,like what's next's next, like I
don't ever want to be in thissituation again.
I want to sit with an HR girl,say right that is what I want to
do.
So for a whole year I studied, Istudied, I studied on my own
accord.
I was at YouTube Universityteaching myself about systems
and HR in a home.
About a year and two months,when unemployment was about to
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stop, I got my first interviewfor HR position.
Now the story gets even crazier.
I dyed my hair like thisfirecracker red, and I also do
hair on the side.
I dyed my hair like thisfirecracker red.
It was like 26 inches longweave, and she was like hey, I
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have an interview for youtomorrow.
I'm like oh, okay.
And I was like but I want to letyou know that my hair is red.
And she was like, okay, doesred hair have anything to do
with the experience on yourresume?
And I was like, oh, resume.
And I was like, oh, and she'slike I have a question for you
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now.
This is where the story allties in together okay how
proficient are you with excel?
oh, my goodness I said oh,conveniently, extremely
proficient, because I just hadto go through about six weeks of
training in Excel.
Okay, and she's like can I sendyou an Excel test right quick?
And I said sure, send me aspreadsheet.
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The scenario whatever.
She sent it to me, I aced it.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Have the interview the next day and when I tell you
, I was like almost in tearsbecause I'm like explaining to
this board of people that I'msitting at this table and I'm
very excited and very happy toeven be considered for an HR
role, because previously I was acustomer service rep and they
were like, oh, we're impressed.
Like how good are you withExcel?
I was like I'm proficient.
I was like, yeah, we looked atyour results, like your
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experience, like yourpersonality, and I was like I
would like to apologize to youabout my hair.
I just dyed my hair yesterday,but if I get this position I'll
talk back to a natural color.
And the CEO was like I actuallykind of like it.
I don't think it has anything todo with your job oh wow, never
take yourself out of you,because you don't know when you
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remove yourself.
And these were his exact wordsto me.
When you stop being who Godcreated you to be, be, you have
a tendency to miss out on whatGod has directly for you and I
was like, okay, well, me and myrelationship will be here.
When can I start?
He said Monday, it was Friday.
I started the very next.
Monday my career took offafterwards.
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Um, that wasn't the only timethat I was met with that, so
that was like my firstexperience.
And then I went on.
As I grew in my career, I gotfaced with having a manager who
wanted to hold me back, but thistime it was one of my, my skin
folk, kinfolk.
Uh, when I tell you that was theone that did it like I felt so
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defeated and beat down becauseI'm looking like, I look up to
you, I admire you, you knowyou're an HR, you're in this
position of power.
Why are you like beating medown like this?
What is this?
When I tell you I prayed, Ifasted, I cried, I prayed, I
fasted, I cried for months.
So we had our last meeting.
She was very aggressive in themeeting and I was like you know,
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at this moment I just want tohand you my two weeks notice she
panicked.
She was like oh no, no, no, no,no.
What is this about?
Everyone else in the companyloved me, adored me, admired my
work, and when it happened likeI felt so, like I was confused,
I was scared and I kept hearinglike, don't fear don't fear.
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Trust what I'm doing, but what Ihad did was I actually reported
her to her supervisor.
This time I heard speak uppoint and I'm looking like but
why?
Why me?
I need my job.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Right, because I was going to ask you this having
been your second time, havingexperienced that type of
corporate warfare, how has itshaped you?
And it sounds like the secondtime around, you learned to
advocate for yourself, youlearned to kind of speak up for
yourself, and you were in theseat of having your own agency.
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So how did that?
Well, I guess we know how itshaped you, but how did that
change your outlook regardingfacing that?
Because they say that we willface the same spirits until we
defeat them or until we conquerthem.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I learned in that season to stand up and how to.
It was definitely a David andGoliath kind of moment, because
all I did was spoke up, was it?
I just told them about myexperience.
They were like I hate thatthat's happening to you, because
everyone shook when I made theannouncement that I'm leaving in
two weeks right they why.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
And then I explained to them why I was like I can't
work under this, like it'sstressing me out, blah, blah,
blah and I'm reminded when Ithink about my own trauma, and
although I can't specificallyidentify with the corporate
trauma, I have experienced sometrauma in the workplace, but
mine's more like interrelationaland personal trauma.
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But when I think about theoffenders and the people who are
responsible for causing metrauma, I'm always reminded of
the scripture that says pray foryour enemies, or pray for those
who despitefully use you, andsometimes it's like God, how do
you want me to pray for them?
Because I'm the one suffering,I'm the one I got to go to
therapy, like all this stuff isgoing on and you like pray for
them.
But people often look at traumaas having been something that
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takes place, like I said,interpersonal, or maybe an event
or an accident or something.
But, like you said, there'sworkplace trauma, there's
corporate trauma, that you canbe traumatized by
microaggressions and things, andso these are the type of things
that we not often take intoconsideration.
So I do appreciate you bringingthose points out.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Where the trauma's a triumph for me is.
I do not have a degree, I donot um, so there's no way,
earthly way that I should haveworn a director hat come on um
and with my experience at thattime, um, divine alignment, god
placed me right where he wantedme to be.
I had the very first person theygave me my hr position, with a
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red hair.
I'm a 26 inch.
We needed a hr specialist andshe reached out to me and she
said hey, tish, I need you to.
Uh, she's like I need an hrspecialist.
I know what you're capable of,blah, blah, blah.
And so I'm like um, I don'tknow, like I don't know, I don't
know if I want to be incorporate right now.
I'm still trying to recover.
I don't know.
She's like work together beforeit'll be fine.
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And I was like okay, now don'tscrew this up, because I'm
barely hanging on.
I only got hanging on, not evenby a thread.
At this point, I'm hanging onby air.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
So it's safe to say that your mental and emotional
health had been affected.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
It was Like I did not trust people in corporate, so
when she called with theopportunity, it took her two
weeks to convince me to acceptit.
I finally accepted it and itwas a blessing.
A bone blessing, a boneblessing.
They bumped me up to a managerwithin.
A matter of three months.
I was like I had a privateconsultant from that they paid
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for and he was like, no, shedoesn't need me like, bump her
up, she needs to be the head ofhr he was like knowledgeable
this and this.
and here I am about toself-sabotage myself like, hey,
y'all, I don't have, I don'thave a degree, have this.
They're like, well, we can payfor it, like we don't care about
that.
I was like, oh, when I say Iwent from, I maybe got a $40,000
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.
I saw a $40,000, almost $60,000increase of my finances in a
matter of a year and a half.
When they tell you God can putyou in rooms that a degree
cannot.
I am a living testimony.
Here's the triumphant moment ofwhy it was all worth it.
I'm looking for my scripture.
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Around the end of last year, Ialways do a very hard fast and I
asked God like what do you wantme to do?
What do you want me to focus onfor the next year?
How do you want me to?
You know?
What do you want?
Where do you want me?
So, after fasting for most ofthe month of December, on
December 28, 2023, he gave methe full vision for my own
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company, my faulting company,and it was called Tish Co, which
is my name with the scripturesProverbs 31, 8 through 9.
And you know we love us aProverbs 31.
But and he told me exactly whathe wanted me to do with it by
you know, coaching, consultingand counseling.
I made a leap in April to fullylaunch.
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He had also been telling me tostop being so shy.
If you would have sent me acouple of months ago, I would
have never done this.
And he had, over the last fewmonths, he's been telling me
like hey, stop being shy, youknow, get out feet.
Like you said.
This is what you promised me,that you would not be shy about
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sharing your testimony.
And I was like, all right, whenyou started to think I was like
this is it.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
That's funny that you said you spoke about.
God, reminded you of what youhad promised him on this
morning's devotion that I didwith my TikTok crew.
It was crew, it was aboutkeeping your vow to God.
Crew, it was about keeping yourvow to God and I said that
there are times when we get inthese situations or
circumstances in our lives andwe be like God.
You know, I promise, if you getme out of this, I'm going to do
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this.
I promise, if you get me out ofthis, I'm going to do this.
I'm going to go back to church,I'm going to pay my tithes, I'm
going to speak more.
You know I'm going to be, youknow more of who you called me
to be.
And then, when the rubber meetsthe road, it was like but I'm
so glad to see you rising to thechallenge and keeping your,
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your, your vow to God.
What I love about God and I wasreminded of that uh, the
scripture was in the book ofGenesis, where I read about how
um Jacob kept his vow to God.
The scriptures go on I think itwas in chapter 31,.
But the scriptures go on to sayhow God basically honored his
vow, protected him, provided forhim, kept him, you know,
covered him, you know, made hisenemies at peace with him, all
because of a vow.
And so it's so important againthat we keep our vows to God
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even in the midst of trauma,right, even in the midst of
transitioning from trauma totriumph.
So that's wonderful that youwere able to hone in on that
promise that you made to God andknow that this was something he
was requiring of us.
And I feel like, even with thetemperature of the world, even
where we are now, with so manypeople talking about their
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traumas and talking about whatthey've gone through, what
they've experienced and how ithas affected them, it's time for
us all to have this voice right.
And when I was growing up andexperiencing all of those
traumatic experiences, I didn'thave a me to talk about it right
.
And now I feel the same calland I'm reminded I think it's
Isaiah 60 or 61 that talks aboutyou know, preparing the way for
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the Lord being that voicecrying out in the wilderness.
You know, for those of us whohadn't been previously able to
speak, and so you just neverknow how you just taking that
leap of faith to speak, to actor to do or in obedience to what
God has called us to do.
Right, sometimes you're like Ican't be obedient in this.
I'm going through too much LikeI'm getting crushed on every
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side and you want me to beobedient.
You know you want me to do thisnext week.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
That's his best word, that's when he does it.
When I logged into TikTok thatday and saw your thing, I was
like you know what I'm going todo this.
I'm scared and I had beenfollowing you for a while, since
I first got on TikTok and I did.
I had been following you for awhile and I was like you know
what I'm throwing?
I'm gonna sew into her andsupport her in this, because if
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there's not a person on this appthat I feel should go upward
and forward with what she'sdoing, it will be for the
kingdom, before I ever let it befor anything that is not um
like.
I've've noticed that sometimesyou know the people who our oil
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don't flow for every.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Come on here.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
It doesn't and we think that it's.
You know it's something with us.
And it's like no, it's becausein due time it'll happen for you
.
And it makes me think about 2Kings I think it's 4 and 7, with
the widow, woman and woman andher and her sons.
He was like here, go into yourlike.
And she had her little barrel.
And he she was like hey, I'mout like I can't even pour any
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more oil and he stopped the oilbeing when I see you I'm like
I've seen plenty of people on,you know, tiktok and on social
media and they're doing, youknow, they're doing good.
They're preaching the, the wordof god or they're sharing, but
there are only certain ones thatyou're drawn to because your
oil kind of where you know thatthat person is doing well in the
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way that I usually can tell, isbecause the bible tells us the
race is not given to the swift.
So just because your oil isflowing a little bit thicker,
it's more long lasting.
Because it's flowing too fastand out of the way and it's just
pouring out of the way.
We don't want it to move waytoo fast, but the thicker it is
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the more you get to.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
It's settling.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
It's getting flaky come on and I can't wait to see
it.
I have to be a part, I have tosupport this like, no matter
what it takes, no matter what.
I'm going to support her inthis because I wish more people
you know would or they will seeit.
My trauma has led me to be moreshy and reserved and have the
belief that I have to be perfect.
Just not so corporate, but fromall of my trauma, from knee high
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to now it's like oh no, you gotto be perfect, because if
somebody find anything imperfectthey're going to pick you apart
.
They're going to hate you, butthey did the same thing to.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Jesus Come on.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
And I'm like I'm with it, I can do it, I'm with it, I
can go for it, I'm like Pauldid it.
It was okay Right.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And none of them were perfect.
And it's crazy because we readthese scriptures and we know you
know, we love our Bible and weread these scriptures and we see
incidences of imperfect peoplebeing used perfectly by God and
sometimes we still fail toabsorb and to allow that to sink
into our spirits.
But God shows me, and isshowing me, even in what you
said, that it's not the right.
It's not about being perfect,it's not about having it all
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together.
It's about doing what he calledyou to do.
Let his strength be madeperfect in our weakness, and
that's something that I havestruggled with, because who
wants to appear weak, who wantsto appear imperfect?
But God, god is able to, youknow, take all of our weaknesses
and cause them to be madestrong by his power and by his
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anointing.
Amazing, amazing, amazing.
Now, you spoke highly about Godand it's evident that your
faith has played a huge part inyour transition and in your
triumph over the trauma that youhave experienced, both
personally but more or lesscorporately.
But can you speak to someoneand just tell us, um, speak to
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someone who may be going throughcorporately or or even
personally, with a traumaticexperience, as to how your faith
can help you?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
if I know nothing else, um, I would tell you to
always lean into god.
It always tells you to alwayslean into God.
It always tells you to look tothe hills, for which come with
your help, and that wassomething that kind of stuck to
me.
He made promises Whenever I hadmy low moments and I felt like
I was beneath and I didn't see away out.
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I literally think about hispromises.
I research his promise.
That's what I would tell.
That's what I did.
That's how it worked for me, ifI can give anybody any words of
encouragement.
When you are facing anything,your first order of business is
to get in alignment with God andwhere, why and how he has you
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to go through this and anotherpart of that is research his
promises when you need yourmoments of motivation.
because if he dresses the lilieswith skin splendor, how much
less are you?
If he feeds the birds hepromised you, you don't have to
worry about tomorrow because,tomorrow by itself will cause
separation when it gets there.
What I am telling you is Ipromised you food, clothing,
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shelter.
You're going, you're going tohave some somewhere to lay your
head with me, and you're with mewhere I guide you.
I'm going to provide with mytraumatic experiences, my
adaptability, my moments were tonot become the things that hurt
.
I wanted to still remain inChrist.
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That was it.
I don't want to be evil.
I don't want to be a hurtperson that hurts a person.
I want to show you who God isand what God allows.
I want you to know the love ofChrist and teach you what
compassion and humility andservitude and joy and happiness,
what it really looks and feelslike no matter what you do to me
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.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I can say, when I look back over my life, like
having had the traumas that I'veexperienced, having had the
effects from that trauma mentalhealth issues, emotional health
issues, bad decision-making,poor money management, all
because of the trauma Iexperienced I can see the hand
of God reworking that right andsaying, okay, and in my stead,
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you know where you once lacked,like you said, management or
sustainability, where you oncelacked that soft heart, where
you once lacked the ability tounderstand or to grasp reality.
Here I come in with my lifemore abundantly.
You know what I mean.
So that's the twist I like toput on.
It is because the reality of itis trauma affects us all in
different shapes and forms.
It's not relegated to a certainclass, race, gender or ethnic
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background, but that's just theweapon.
The Bible says that there is noweapon formed against us, that
she'll be able to prosper, butit didn't say that the weapon
wouldn't be formed and traumawas right and trauma was the
weapon that the enemy used toform against me.
And so we have to kind of, wehave to look at it like that.
I like what you said about theenemy having access to her mind.
I believe because every time Iread the story of Adam and Eve,
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obviously my name is Eve and I'mlike, oh boy, let me read.
You know, god, is you talkingto me?
Is you saying this is me or not?
But I always think to myselfGod, how was Satan able to get
to Eve, especially when Adam wasright there?
Like, what happened?
Was there a miscommunication?
Was she unprotected?
What went on?
But I think that there was aconversation that took place in
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Eve's mind.
There was a conversation.
That's where the doubt became,that's where the different
things happened.
It was in the mind, and so wehave to guard our minds, even in
the midst of trauma.
We have to guard our souls, wehave to guard our emotions and
we do that in the presence ofGod.
And those are some of thethings that I have learned in my
journey to triumphing over thetrauma that I've experienced.
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Tish, it has been such apleasure having this
conversation with you.
You have such a well of wisdomand experience, such a beauty
and a grace that is on your life, especially for those who are
in the corporate world Me myself, coming from the corporate
background.
I can identify with a lot ofthe things that you said, a lot
of the things that you spokeabout was so beneficial, not
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only to how we manage corporatelife, but even our everyday life
, you know, in our interpersonalrelationships as well.
So I do thank you for what youshared today.
Tell us how we can get incontact with you.
We want to know about yourbusiness and how we can find you
how we can find you.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yes, so I am on Instagram at unscriptedcheek35.
That is probably the best way.
I'm on LinkedIn Latisha Allen.
Okay, TikTok.
I think I'm Angel on Facebookon TikTok.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Okay.
Thank you so much again, bill.
Thank you for helping us tojust understand the nuances
about the corporate world, howto navigate them, helping us to
just understand the nuancesabout the corporate world, how
to navigate them, how not toquit, how to speak up, how to
even use our own voices tobecome advocates for others Once
we're out of the fire.
I just thank you so much forwhat you had to say today.
Now, everybody, I just want to,you know, admonish you all to
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check Tish out, of course youknow, follow her on all those
socials that she gave us, sothat we can see what's going on.
We want to see what God isgoing to do.
We know he's up to something.
We know he's about to do somethings, especially for the
underdogs, those of us who havebeen behind the scenes.
He's certainly up to something.
That is my prayer and that iswhat I believe God's promise to
me is.
Tish, I will see you again soon, hopefullyiktok or one of these
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social media platforms.
I'm sure that I'm going to haveyou back again on the show.
Thank you again.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Have a blessed day thank you, it was a pleasure
being here.
Good blessings to you as wellthank you, bye, thank you.
Hey y'all, welcome to Triumph Over Trauma, the
podcast.
Listen y'all.
I created this podcast because,like so many other people, I've
had a traumatic past.
I didn't always realize howthose things affected me
negatively and how I evencarried them into my adult life,
and so I wanted to create aspace where other people could
come and we could have candidconversations on how you
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identify trauma, how do younavigate it and how you recover
from traumatic experiences.
If this resonates with you,then join me.
I am your host and traumasurvivor, ms Eve McNair.
Let's get into it.
As you know, we're doing aseries called your Story, where
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we're gathering people's stories, from people just like you and
I, from all over the world, whowant to testify as to what
they've experienced, how it hasaffected them and where they are
now.
So we're going to welcome tothe show Tish.
She's going to tell us a littlebit about her story.
We have a few questions to goover.
We're going to jump right in sowe can get started with the
(01:03):
questions.
How are you today?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I am well.
How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I'm doing well also.
Thank you so much for joiningme on today.
I've been getting so many ofthese stories and every time I
hear them I'm literally blownaway.
Just a testament to the gloryof God.
And God is, you know, trulydoing inside of us as a people,
those of us who have hadtraumatic experiences and, of
course, speaking of trauma, canyou describe for me a time, or
(01:30):
even times, where youexperienced something traumatic?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
oh, so I'm gonna stick to corporate pcsd a little
bit.
I'm sure you get a lot of therelationship um trauma, a lot of
the family trauma.
I don't want to talk aboutcorporate trauma and the
traumatic experience because itdidn't cause me.
That's not one that a lot ofpeople like to talk about or are
(01:54):
aware of.
So mine was corporate, and whenI say traumatizing, I don't
still come around the curve ofit.
Wow, yeah it has been a journey,to say the least.
Mine dates back for a couplefew years, I want to say.
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My first corporate experiencewith trauma was because I don't
want to name any companies was afew years ago, um, a company I
had been working with for likeabout three years.
Okay, uh I worked there forabout three years, had great
relationship with the owner ofthe company, the ceo.
The coo moved up very like,very quickly in the company made
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a good accomplishment formyself.
Um, and then ran into my firstum envious manager or colleague
yeah, it was.
So it was different for me toprocess because I genuinely had
not um, I don't I typicallydon't have a java spirit, like
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it's not something that comes,you know.
I mean, I'm always cheeringother people on, I'm always
supportive.
Um, I feel like my time willcome.
If it's meant for me, it'll beso.
I didn't know how to process itbut honestly, I didn't know
what it was okay, it was justeverything that this person,
like anything that I tried to dothat was succeeding.
They tried to set me back.
(03:21):
So, um, it's so.
Oh my gosh, like I love to tellthis story, because I tell it
to people about how I got towhere I am and how God works,
Like what saved me in my bed.
God made me in my bed.
It's so real.
So, with this particularparticular situation, we came
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around for performance reviewsand, um, at that time my baby,
my daughter, was like really shewas a baby she got sick.
Um, so when I came back to workfrom smla, he assigned me my
performance review and heassigned me all this like excel
training, like a bunch oftraining that had nothing to do
(04:05):
with my job and I'm like sittinghere like uh, addition to my
workload which was alreadypretty heavy, and I'm asking him
like, oh, can I have overtimeto work through this?
no, oh wow I was like so I haveto do this on the clock and I
have to push out all of thisstuff.
And he was like, yeah, and Iwas like there's no way possible
(04:27):
that I'm gonna be able to getall this done.
And he was like well, if youwant to work on it in your own
time, you can, but it won't bepaid okay, and this was your,
this was your direct managerthis was my direct manager so at
the time.
I'm just like happy to be here,like, okay, I'm gonna work it
out.
You know, I took it to the chinand so I'm like whatever, like
(04:51):
what is this excel training?
So I did, I pushed back alittle bit.
I'm like what is this exceltraining?
Have to do with my role?
Like my role doesn't need this,like give me something else,
like as a goal or um, an actionplan.
And he like well, this is whatI have for you.
And so I'm asking my peers likehey, what's he working on for
your performance review?
And she was like I haveovertime, like he's letting me
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stay late oh, wow and early.
I'm like looking like wait, sowhy do I not have the same
autonomy?
And I was like I'm not gonna goand take it to the COO or the
CEO, like I'm not, even though Isat in the room with them a lot
, um, I didn't bring it up tothem at all.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I did not.
What was, what was your thoughtbehind not bringing it to them?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
um, I just I kind of was like trying to gauge it and
see, and I just didn't want tocreate a deeper, darker
situation.
Then I felt like I was alreadylike right in trouble, like I
don't want the whole team, likeI just don't want to bring it up
and someone else misses theiropportunity for their overtime
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or whatever.
I don't want to do that, so Idid okay and long story short
right after I.
So I succeeded.
Okay, I came out.
I had three days left tocomplete all the trainings.
I had completed them all duringmy time.
All I was.
I didn't do any overtime.
I did work a couple of hourslike on my own leisure.
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Basically, I was successful.
Performance review came aroundand I was met with 50 cent raise
and a layoff.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Wow, I was not expecting that.
So was your layoff performancebased.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Well then he tried to say so I got the 50 cent raise
the first week.
The very next week, whicheveryone else got $1.75 or $2
raises, I got 50 cents and itwas.
You know, you can't bepenalized for being on FMLA.
But he was saying like oh well,you were working on this, maybe
you didn't have time to work onyour other stuff.
(06:52):
And I was like no, nobody lostpower.
So I worked for an energycompany at the time Nobody lost
power.
Like nothing was missing,nothing at all.
Nothing was based on equipment.
And I was like okay, so you'reembarrassed because you were
defeated and it's what I thought.
So I kid you not.
I just heard you know, peace bestill.
So I'm sitting at the table andI'm looking like, okay, I have
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this baby.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
At that time I was going through a split up.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Everything is about to be on me.
I'm a single mom with two kids.
Now, I don't have a job Right.
And when I tell you I was aboutto be on me, I'm a single mom
with two kids.
Now I don't have a job rightand when I tell you I was about
to break down in tears but I'mlike no, god got me, so I did, I
signed it and I was like I haveone last request okay and um he
looked.
I was like can I use yourcomputer right quick, like I
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just want to fill out myunemployment before I leave here
, just in case I can't getthrough.
He was like you're not mad.
And I was like no, I'm not mad.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
He asked you if you weren't mad.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
He asked me if I was not mad.
And the girl was looking.
The HR girl was looking likethis is a little Person.
Yeah, she was like.
I was like no, it's just.
I promise you can watch me login and do my.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
This is like a little Person.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, I was like no, it's just.
I promise you can watch me login and do my claim or whatever.
If you say no, then it's fine.
And she was looking like shedoesn't seem upset.
She was trying to gauge and seeif I was a disgruntled person
if I was stuck at the?
computer and I'm like no girl.
It is perfectly fine as well.
My daughter is still recovering, so this is perfect, like I'll
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be at home with my children thatevening.
I filed my unemployment.
I did ask them.
I said hey, can you make sureto give me, can you make sure
that you give me a layoff likemy layoff paper?
or whatever before I leave,because I don't want to wait on
it and I'm just going to submitit with my claim.
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So I filed for unemployment.
When I tell you, trust what Godallows, because the
unemployment at that time theydid a double or something and I
didn't work for a year.
I did not have to work for ayear and when I tell you I did
not miss out on anything.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
The kids were just fine.
My bills were all paid becauseunemployment went up Like.
I don't even know what happened, how they ended it or how they
doubled it at that time.
I didn't do anything, it justwas there.
I was able to get statebenefits for, like food stamps,
and at that time I made adecision to what I was going to
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do next.
I prayed and I was like God,like what's next's next, like I
don't ever want to be in thissituation again.
I want to sit with an HR girl,say right that is what I want to
do.
So for a whole year I studied, Istudied, I studied on my own
accord.
I was at YouTube Universityteaching myself about systems
and HR in a home.
About a year and two months,when unemployment was about to
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stop, I got my first interviewfor HR position.
Now the story gets even crazier.
I dyed my hair like thisfirecracker red, and I also do
hair on the side.
I dyed my hair like thisfirecracker red.
It was like 26 inches longweave, and she was like hey, I
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have an interview for youtomorrow.
I'm like oh, okay.
And I was like but I want to letyou know that my hair is red.
And she was like, okay, doesred hair have anything to do
with the experience on yourresume?
And I was like, oh, resume.
And I was like, oh, and she'slike I have a question for you
(10:30):
now.
This is where the story allties in together okay how
proficient are you with excel?
oh, my goodness I said oh,conveniently, extremely
proficient, because I just hadto go through about six weeks of
training in Excel.
Okay, and she's like can I sendyou an Excel test right quick?
And I said sure, send me aspreadsheet.
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The scenario whatever.
She sent it to me, I aced it.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Have the interview the next day and when I tell you
, I was like almost in tearsbecause I'm like explaining to
this board of people that I'msitting at this table and I'm
very excited and very happy toeven be considered for an HR
role, because previously I was acustomer service rep and they
were like, oh, we're impressed.
Like how good are you withExcel?
I was like I'm proficient.
I was like, yeah, we looked atyour results, like your
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experience, like yourpersonality, and I was like I
would like to apologize to youabout my hair.
I just dyed my hair yesterday,but if I get this position I'll
talk back to a natural color.
And the CEO was like I actuallykind of like it.
I don't think it has anything todo with your job oh wow, never
take yourself out of you,because you don't know when you
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remove yourself.
And these were his exact wordsto me.
When you stop being who Godcreated you to be, be, you have
a tendency to miss out on whatGod has directly for you and I
was like, okay, well, me and myrelationship will be here.
When can I start?
He said Monday, it was Friday.
I started the very next.
Monday my career took offafterwards.
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Um, that wasn't the only timethat I was met with that, so
that was like my firstexperience.
And then I went on.
As I grew in my career, I gotfaced with having a manager who
wanted to hold me back, but thistime it was one of my, my skin
folk, kinfolk.
Uh, when I tell you that was theone that did it like I felt so
(12:23):
defeated and beat down becauseI'm looking like, I look up to
you, I admire you, you knowyou're an HR, you're in this
position of power.
Why are you like beating medown like this?
What is this?
When I tell you I prayed, Ifasted, I cried, I prayed, I
fasted, I cried for months.
So we had our last meeting.
She was very aggressive in themeeting and I was like you know,
(12:45):
at this moment I just want tohand you my two weeks notice she
panicked.
She was like oh no, no, no, no,no.
What is this about?
Everyone else in the companyloved me, adored me, admired my
work, and when it happened likeI felt so, like I was confused,
I was scared and I kept hearinglike, don't fear don't fear.
(13:08):
Trust what I'm doing, but what Ihad did was I actually reported
her to her supervisor.
This time I heard speak uppoint and I'm looking like but
why?
Why me?
I need my job.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Right, because I was going to ask you this having
been your second time, havingexperienced that type of
corporate warfare, how has itshaped you?
And it sounds like the secondtime around, you learned to
advocate for yourself, youlearned to kind of speak up for
yourself, and you were in theseat of having your own agency.
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So how did that?
Well, I guess we know how itshaped you, but how did that
change your outlook regardingfacing that?
Because they say that we willface the same spirits until we
defeat them or until we conquerthem.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I learned in that season to stand up and how to.
It was definitely a David andGoliath kind of moment, because
all I did was spoke up, was it?
I just told them about myexperience.
They were like I hate thatthat's happening to you, because
everyone shook when I made theannouncement that I'm leaving in
two weeks right they why.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
And then I explained to them why I was like I can't
work under this, like it'sstressing me out, blah, blah,
blah and I'm reminded when Ithink about my own trauma, and
although I can't specificallyidentify with the corporate
trauma, I have experienced sometrauma in the workplace, but
mine's more like interrelationaland personal trauma.
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But when I think about theoffenders and the people who are
responsible for causing metrauma, I'm always reminded of
the scripture that says pray foryour enemies, or pray for those
who despitefully use you, andsometimes it's like God, how do
you want me to pray for them?
Because I'm the one suffering,I'm the one I got to go to
therapy, like all this stuff isgoing on and you like pray for
them.
But people often look at traumaas having been something that
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takes place, like I said,interpersonal, or maybe an event
or an accident or something.
But, like you said, there'sworkplace trauma, there's
corporate trauma, that you canbe traumatized by
microaggressions and things, andso these are the type of things
that we not often take intoconsideration.
So I do appreciate you bringingthose points out.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Where the trauma's a triumph for me is.
I do not have a degree, I donot um, so there's no way,
earthly way that I should haveworn a director hat come on um
and with my experience at thattime, um, divine alignment, god
placed me right where he wantedme to be.
I had the very first person theygave me my hr position, with a
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red hair.
I'm a 26 inch.
We needed a hr specialist andshe reached out to me and she
said hey, tish, I need you to.
Uh, she's like I need an hrspecialist.
I know what you're capable of,blah, blah, blah.
And so I'm like um, I don'tknow, like I don't know, I don't
know if I want to be incorporate right now.
I'm still trying to recover.
I don't know.
She's like work together beforeit'll be fine.
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And I was like okay, now don'tscrew this up, because I'm
barely hanging on.
I only got hanging on, not evenby a thread.
At this point, I'm hanging onby air.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
So it's safe to say that your mental and emotional
health had been affected.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
It was Like I did not trust people in corporate, so
when she called with theopportunity, it took her two
weeks to convince me to acceptit.
I finally accepted it and itwas a blessing.
A bone blessing, a boneblessing.
They bumped me up to a managerwithin.
A matter of three months.
I was like I had a privateconsultant from that they paid
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for and he was like, no, shedoesn't need me like, bump her
up, she needs to be the head ofhr he was like knowledgeable
this and this.
and here I am about toself-sabotage myself like, hey,
y'all, I don't have, I don'thave a degree, have this.
They're like, well, we can payfor it, like we don't care about
that.
I was like, oh, when I say Iwent from, I maybe got a $40,000
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.
I saw a $40,000, almost $60,000increase of my finances in a
matter of a year and a half.
When they tell you God can putyou in rooms that a degree
cannot.
I am a living testimony.
Here's the triumphant moment ofwhy it was all worth it.
I'm looking for my scripture.
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Around the end of last year, Ialways do a very hard fast and I
asked God like what do you wantme to do?
What do you want me to focus onfor the next year?
How do you want me to?
You know?
What do you want?
Where do you want me?
So, after fasting for most ofthe month of December, on
December 28, 2023, he gave methe full vision for my own
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company, my faulting company,and it was called Tish Co, which
is my name with the scripturesProverbs 31, 8 through 9.
And you know we love us aProverbs 31.
But and he told me exactly whathe wanted me to do with it by
you know, coaching, consultingand counseling.
I made a leap in April to fullylaunch.
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He had also been telling me tostop being so shy.
If you would have sent me acouple of months ago, I would
have never done this.
And he had, over the last fewmonths, he's been telling me
like hey, stop being shy, youknow, get out feet.
Like you said.
This is what you promised me,that you would not be shy about
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sharing your testimony.
And I was like, all right, whenyou started to think I was like
this is it.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
That's funny that you said you spoke about.
God, reminded you of what youhad promised him on this
morning's devotion that I didwith my TikTok crew.
It was crew, it was aboutkeeping your vow to God.
Crew, it was about keeping yourvow to God and I said that
there are times when we get inthese situations or
circumstances in our lives andwe be like God.
You know, I promise, if you getme out of this, I'm going to do
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this.
I promise, if you get me out ofthis, I'm going to do this.
I'm going to go back to church,I'm going to pay my tithes, I'm
going to speak more.
You know I'm going to be, youknow more of who you called me
to be.
And then, when the rubber meetsthe road, it was like but I'm
so glad to see you rising to thechallenge and keeping your,
(19:37):
your, your vow to God.
What I love about God and I wasreminded of that uh, the
scripture was in the book ofGenesis, where I read about how
um Jacob kept his vow to God.
The scriptures go on I think itwas in chapter 31,.
But the scriptures go on to sayhow God basically honored his
vow, protected him, provided forhim, kept him, you know,
covered him, you know, made hisenemies at peace with him, all
because of a vow.
And so it's so important againthat we keep our vows to God
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even in the midst of trauma,right, even in the midst of
transitioning from trauma totriumph.
So that's wonderful that youwere able to hone in on that
promise that you made to God andknow that this was something he
was requiring of us.
And I feel like, even with thetemperature of the world, even
where we are now, with so manypeople talking about their
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traumas and talking about whatthey've gone through, what
they've experienced and how ithas affected them, it's time for
us all to have this voice right.
And when I was growing up andexperiencing all of those
traumatic experiences, I didn'thave a me to talk about it right
.
And now I feel the same calland I'm reminded I think it's
Isaiah 60 or 61 that talks aboutyou know, preparing the way for
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the Lord being that voicecrying out in the wilderness.
You know, for those of us whohadn't been previously able to
speak, and so you just neverknow how you just taking that
leap of faith to speak, to actor to do or in obedience to what
God has called us to do.
Right, sometimes you're like Ican't be obedient in this.
I'm going through too much LikeI'm getting crushed on every
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side and you want me to beobedient.
You know you want me to do thisnext week.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
That's his best word, that's when he does it.
When I logged into TikTok thatday and saw your thing, I was
like you know what I'm going todo this.
I'm scared and I had beenfollowing you for a while, since
I first got on TikTok and I did.
I had been following you for awhile and I was like you know
what I'm throwing?
I'm gonna sew into her andsupport her in this, because if
(21:32):
there's not a person on this appthat I feel should go upward
and forward with what she'sdoing, it will be for the
kingdom, before I ever let it befor anything that is not um
like.
I've've noticed that sometimesyou know the people who our oil
(21:52):
don't flow for every.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Come on here.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
It doesn't and we think that it's.
You know it's something with us.
And it's like no, it's becausein due time it'll happen for you
.
And it makes me think about 2Kings I think it's 4 and 7, with
the widow, woman and woman andher and her sons.
He was like here, go into yourlike.
And she had her little barrel.
And he she was like hey, I'mout like I can't even pour any
(22:16):
more oil and he stopped the oilbeing when I see you I'm like
I've seen plenty of people on,you know, tiktok and on social
media and they're doing, youknow, they're doing good.
They're preaching the, the wordof god or they're sharing, but
there are only certain ones thatyou're drawn to because your
oil kind of where you know thatthat person is doing well in the
(22:41):
way that I usually can tell, isbecause the bible tells us the
race is not given to the swift.
So just because your oil isflowing a little bit thicker,
it's more long lasting.
Because it's flowing too fastand out of the way and it's just
pouring out of the way.
We don't want it to move waytoo fast, but the thicker it is
(23:05):
the more you get to.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
It's settling.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
It's getting flaky come on and I can't wait to see
it.
I have to be a part, I have tosupport this like, no matter
what it takes, no matter what.
I'm going to support her inthis because I wish more people
you know would or they will seeit.
My trauma has led me to be moreshy and reserved and have the
belief that I have to be perfect.
Just not so corporate, but fromall of my trauma, from knee high
(23:35):
to now it's like oh no, you gotto be perfect, because if
somebody find anything imperfectthey're going to pick you apart
.
They're going to hate you, butthey did the same thing to.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Jesus Come on.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
And I'm like I'm with it, I can do it, I'm with it, I
can go for it, I'm like Pauldid it.
It was okay Right.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And none of them were perfect.
And it's crazy because we readthese scriptures and we know you
know, we love our Bible and weread these scriptures and we see
incidences of imperfect peoplebeing used perfectly by God and
sometimes we still fail toabsorb and to allow that to sink
into our spirits.
But God shows me, and isshowing me, even in what you
said, that it's not the right.
It's not about being perfect,it's not about having it all
(24:15):
together.
It's about doing what he calledyou to do.
Let his strength be madeperfect in our weakness, and
that's something that I havestruggled with, because who
wants to appear weak, who wantsto appear imperfect?
But God, god is able to, youknow, take all of our weaknesses
and cause them to be madestrong by his power and by his
(24:36):
anointing.
Amazing, amazing, amazing.
Now, you spoke highly about Godand it's evident that your
faith has played a huge part inyour transition and in your
triumph over the trauma that youhave experienced, both
personally but more or lesscorporately.
But can you speak to someoneand just tell us, um, speak to
(24:58):
someone who may be going throughcorporately or or even
personally, with a traumaticexperience, as to how your faith
can help you?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
if I know nothing else, um, I would tell you to
always lean into god.
It always tells you to alwayslean into God.
It always tells you to look tothe hills, for which come with
your help, and that wassomething that kind of stuck to
me.
He made promises Whenever I hadmy low moments and I felt like
I was beneath and I didn't see away out.
(25:30):
I literally think about hispromises.
I research his promise.
That's what I would tell.
That's what I did.
That's how it worked for me, ifI can give anybody any words of
encouragement.
When you are facing anything,your first order of business is
to get in alignment with God andwhere, why and how he has you
(25:51):
to go through this and anotherpart of that is research his
promises when you need yourmoments of motivation.
because if he dresses the lilieswith skin splendor, how much
less are you?
If he feeds the birds hepromised you, you don't have to
worry about tomorrow because,tomorrow by itself will cause
separation when it gets there.
What I am telling you is Ipromised you food, clothing,
(26:14):
shelter.
You're going, you're going tohave some somewhere to lay your
head with me, and you're with mewhere I guide you.
I'm going to provide with mytraumatic experiences, my
adaptability, my moments were tonot become the things that hurt
.
I wanted to still remain inChrist.
(26:34):
That was it.
I don't want to be evil.
I don't want to be a hurtperson that hurts a person.
I want to show you who God isand what God allows.
I want you to know the love ofChrist and teach you what
compassion and humility andservitude and joy and happiness,
what it really looks and feelslike no matter what you do to me
(26:56):
.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I can say, when I look back over my life, like
having had the traumas that I'veexperienced, having had the
effects from that trauma mentalhealth issues, emotional health
issues, bad decision-making,poor money management, all
because of the trauma Iexperienced I can see the hand
of God reworking that right andsaying, okay, and in my stead,
(27:24):
you know where you once lacked,like you said, management or
sustainability, where you oncelacked that soft heart, where
you once lacked the ability tounderstand or to grasp reality.
Here I come in with my lifemore abundantly.
You know what I mean.
So that's the twist I like toput on.
It is because the reality of itis trauma affects us all in
different shapes and forms.
It's not relegated to a certainclass, race, gender or ethnic
(27:48):
background, but that's just theweapon.
The Bible says that there is noweapon formed against us, that
she'll be able to prosper, butit didn't say that the weapon
wouldn't be formed and traumawas right and trauma was the
weapon that the enemy used toform against me.
And so we have to kind of, wehave to look at it like that.
I like what you said about theenemy having access to her mind.
I believe because every time Iread the story of Adam and Eve,
(28:10):
obviously my name is Eve and I'mlike, oh boy, let me read.
You know, god, is you talkingto me?
Is you saying this is me or not?
But I always think to myselfGod, how was Satan able to get
to Eve, especially when Adam wasright there?
Like, what happened?
Was there a miscommunication?
Was she unprotected?
What went on?
But I think that there was aconversation that took place in
(28:30):
Eve's mind.
There was a conversation.
That's where the doubt became,that's where the different
things happened.
It was in the mind, and so wehave to guard our minds, even in
the midst of trauma.
We have to guard our souls, wehave to guard our emotions and
we do that in the presence ofGod.
And those are some of thethings that I have learned in my
journey to triumphing over thetrauma that I've experienced.
(28:54):
Tish, it has been such apleasure having this
conversation with you.
You have such a well of wisdomand experience, such a beauty
and a grace that is on your life, especially for those who are
in the corporate world Me myself, coming from the corporate
background.
I can identify with a lot ofthe things that you said, a lot
of the things that you spokeabout was so beneficial, not
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only to how we manage corporatelife, but even our everyday life
, you know, in our interpersonalrelationships as well.
So I do thank you for what youshared today.
Tell us how we can get incontact with you.
We want to know about yourbusiness and how we can find you
how we can find you.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yes, so I am on Instagram at unscriptedcheek35.
That is probably the best way.
I'm on LinkedIn Latisha Allen.
Okay, TikTok.
I think I'm Angel on Facebookon TikTok.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Okay.
Thank you so much again, bill.
Thank you for helping us tojust understand the nuances
about the corporate world, howto navigate them, helping us to
just understand the nuancesabout the corporate world, how
to navigate them, how not toquit, how to speak up, how to
even use our own voices tobecome advocates for others Once
we're out of the fire.
I just thank you so much forwhat you had to say today.
Now, everybody, I just want to,you know, admonish you all to
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check Tish out, of course youknow, follow her on all those
socials that she gave us, sothat we can see what's going on.
We want to see what God isgoing to do.
We know he's up to something.
We know he's about to do somethings, especially for the
underdogs, those of us who havebeen behind the scenes.
He's certainly up to something.
That is my prayer and that iswhat I believe God's promise to
me is.
Tish, I will see you again soon, hopefullyiktok or one of these
(30:29):
social media platforms.
I'm sure that I'm going to haveyou back again on the show.
Thank you again.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Have a blessed day thank you, it was a pleasure
being here.
Good blessings to you as wellthank you, bye, thank you.
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