October 9, 2025 • 41 mins
Your body can’t always tell the difference between a painful memory and a present threat—and that’s why a passing thought can hijack your day. We invited educator and creator Larry Hooks to unpack how trauma shapes the nervous system, why triggers feel so immediate, and how simple daily practices can teach your body a safer pattern. From faith-filled self-talk to practical breathwork and boundaries, we map a path out of the loop of alarm toward a steadier, kinder baseline.
Larry shares decades of experience exploring neuroplasticity and the metaphysical aspects of healing, pairing them with Scripture and lived wisdom. We talk about reframing identity from victim to overcomer, why perspective changes physiology, and how to challenge intrusive narratives by speaking truth out loud. You’ll hear concrete ways to spot whether you need a nap or a reset, why Sabbath is a nervous system skill and not a reward, and how dissociation, anxiety, and anger are protection strategies that can be retrained with patience and consistency.
We also get honest about community. Condemnation keeps people stuck; trauma-informed spaces create room for story, listening, and co-regulation. When calm, safe people share the weight of vigilance, your nervous system doesn’t have to hold everything alone. If you’ve wrestled with triggers, doom-thinking, or the guilt of rest, this conversation offers tools that are both spiritual and practical: breath you can count, words you can say, and a lens that helps your body expect good again.
If this resonates, follow the show, share it with someone who needs it, and leave a review to help others find it. And if you want Larry’s free “Love Story” ebook on learning to love yourself again, check his TikTok (the self-care shoppe) for the email signup.
2 Corinthians 2:14 Now thanks be unto God, who always causes us to Triumph!
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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Hey y'all, welcome to Triumph Over Trauma, the
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podcast.
Listen, y'all, I created thispodcast because, like so many
other people, I've had atraumatic past.
I didn't always realize howthose things affected me
negatively and how I evencarried them into my adult life.
And so I wanted to create aspace where other people could
come and we could have candidconversations on how you
identify trauma, how do younavigate it, and how you recover
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from traumatic experiences.
If this resonates with you, thenjoin me.
I am your host and traumasurvivor, Miss Eve McNair.
Let's get into it.
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Alright, guys, welcome back toTriumph Over Trauma.
Thank you so much for joining meagain.
Today we have a special guest onthe show, uh Larry Hooks.
I came across Larry's uh videoson TikTok and he was talking
about a nervous system reset,the importance of a nervous
system reset, and it was soengaging to me because as a
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trauma survivor, I'm alwayslooking for ways that I can
obviously emotionally regulateand also master my own nervous
system, especially when I'mtriggered.
And so the information he sharedon his platform, I thought was
very beneficial when I was like,I gotta have him on the show
because I think that there's somany people who need nervous
system resets and aren't evenaware of it.
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So, Larry, before we go into it,tell us who you are and a little
bit about yourself.
SPEAKER_00 (01:31):
Alright, first of all, thank you for having me on.
Um, like you said, my name isLarry Hooks.
unknown (01:36):
Um, I've been studying neuroplasticity, um,
metaphysical um sciences.
Probably for the last 34, 35years.
SPEAKER_00 (01:47):
Um, just going through life, going through a
lot of um my own trauma, youknow, like when things would
trigger me, like everything wasspiral out of control.
And so as I began to kind ofstudy how the human body works
and how our mentality has a lotto do with how we handle
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situations and the fact that,and we'll get into this when we
get into some of the questions,but the fact of how even when
you're thinking about what youwent through, your body, your
subconscious can't tell thedifference.
It's thinking about it and youactually going through it.
That's why, like, if you thinkabout something that made you
mad, you get mad all over.
Subconscious can't tell thedifference.
SPEAKER_01 (02:29):
Wow, that's deep.
SPEAKER_00 (02:30):
And it it it's kind of how I got where I am is kind
of just trying to just try tofigure out myself for real.
And I was like, well, I can'tjust keep this to myself.
I gotta let other people knowwhat I've been discovering,
because hey, we're on thisjourney together for real.
SPEAKER_01 (02:43):
That's right.
And I'm so glad that you did youhave begun um sharing that, and
of course, that I came acrossthat information because, like I
said, it spoke to me.
You know, speaking of thatvideo, you talked about the
importance again of the nervoussystem being reset, especially
after trauma.
Can you tell me how you thinkit's crucial to the advancement
spiritually, mentally, andnaturally, how important it is
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it to have a nervous systemreset?
SPEAKER_00 (03:06):
The thing about it, if if you don't have it, you may
get to move and forward andthink you're past it.
But if if you never sit downwith it and dealt with it so
that when something happens thatdoesn't trigger you, you'll be
drawn right back into it.
So spiritually, you you want toyou want your spirit to grow,
but it's like it's not able to,it's like it's stunning.
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Because you think, uh, oh yeah,I got it now, I gotta, I've got
it, I gotta be somethinghappens.
And because you trigger yournervous system, it's trying to
protect you, because itremembers what you went through.
SPEAKER_02 (03:38):
Wow.
So it's trying to protect youfrom going through that again.
SPEAKER_00 (03:41):
So anything that that resembles what you went
through, you know, it's tryingto protect against it.
And so what that does is if youtry to start about and do
anything new, you get a check inyour spirit.
This may hurt you.
unknown (03:53):
Don't try that because this may hurt you.
You get back in the back of yourmind where you remember what
happened last time.
Your subconscious don't mean it,huh?
It's just trying to protect you.
But what we have to do is wehave to reset that to let our
subconscious know that yes, it'sokay this time, though.
Sometimes you just you have totalk to yourself.
SPEAKER_00 (04:11):
Like for real.
Like, you know, people say,well, you need to.
Man, look, you better talk toyourself.
SPEAKER_01 (04:17):
You better talk to yourself, get yourself together.
SPEAKER_00 (04:19):
Because you have to hear, you have to hear you say
it.
You have to hear your voicesaying that it's okay.
SPEAKER_01 (04:27):
Wow.
You know what?
I can certainly agree with thatbecause I noticed that there's
times when I'm in prayer.
There's something about when youpray an audible prayer and you
hear your spirit communicatingwith God's spirit, and you hear
the words that are coming out ofyour mouth, and it strengthens
you and it transforms you, andit uplifts you to the point
where you you feel like, youknow what, I can overcome this,
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I can beat this thing.
But it's something abouthearing, like you said, hearing
your own voice, and it does makea difference.
And I thought it was interestingwhat you said about how your
body, or which houses thenervous system, still remembers
what you've gone through.
I remember reading this bookcalled The Body Keeps the Score
by Bessel Vanderkirk, and hetalks about how that very thing,
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how our bodies remember, youknow, things that even though,
you know, they may have happenedyears ago, we may have, you
know, physically grown, but ourbodies and our spiritual and
even sometimes our emotions andlike you said, our mentalities
are kind of trapped in the inthat experience, and we don't
really we don't really knowthat's it.
SPEAKER_00 (05:27):
That's where the reset comes in.
It's not uh downplaying whathappened to you, not downplaying
the hurt that happened to you,but you begin to view it
differently.
Yeah, this happened to you.
Yeah, it hurt you, but guesswhat?
You made it through it.
So this that happened to youactually made you a stronger
person.
So now when I look at it, I'mnot looking at it as a victim,
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but I'm looking at it as someonewho overcame that.
So now I can help somebody elseovercome this because this thing
that I overcame, it made mestronger as a person.
See, a lot of times when itcomes to faith, a faith is not
really a change in ourcircumstances as much as it a
change in our perspective.
Thanks in uh 2 Kings, I think,chapter 6, where Elisha and his
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servant were surrounded by theking's armor.
unknown (06:10):
And the servant came in, like, look, Elisha, we
surrounded, we surrounded.
And Elisha, he wasn't introuble.
Elijah said, open his eyes thathe may see.
He opened his eyes, he saw allthe hosts of heaven and camps
around him.
The host of heaven was alwaysthere.
SPEAKER_00 (06:25):
Father was on the problem and not on the solution.
I think that's what happens tous with our nervous system, is
that when we go through traumaor something happens to us, our
nervous system stamps that, andwhen something similar like this
happens, it's trouble.
unknown (06:41):
But you made it through that trouble, though.
SPEAKER_00 (06:42):
So since you made it through the trouble, I mean you
are in trouble overcome.
When trouble comes now, you andit triggers you, you can say,
Oh, I've overcome this.
Oh, it's about to happen, oh,oh, here we go again.
unknown (06:53):
It's oh, I've overcome this before.
So I can do it again.
Okay.
And it takes it takesconsistency.
It's not something that's gonnahappen like I'm gonna do it one
or two times and then I'm gonnabe over.
No, it takes consistency.
SPEAKER_01 (07:07):
It takes consistency day in and day out, consistency.
SPEAKER_00 (07:10):
And I find that the more I the more I speak God's
word over me, the more I claimto be what he claims that I am,
it helps me to see myself as hesees me and not as what's
happened to me, not as what I'vegone through.
Because your your trauma doesn'tdefine who you are.
SPEAKER_01 (07:29):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (07:29):
Did it happen to you?
Yes.
Did it hurt?
Absolutely.
Did it destroy you?
No, because you still here.
SPEAKER_01 (07:38):
Because you're still here.
SPEAKER_00 (07:39):
So it can't define you.
If it would have defined you, itwould have been able to destroy
you, but it couldn't.
SPEAKER_01 (07:44):
Wow, that's good.
You said in your video, you saidthat uh you talked about the
children of Israel, how they hadbeen delivered out of Egypt, out
of slavery, and you said theyhad miracle-level access, but
they had trauma-level thinking.
They weren't able to obtain allthat God in that particular
time, all that God really hadfor them.
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And we know that, you know, thethe Bible goes on to say that it
took them 40 years, you know,um, to finally reach their
promised land.
Why do you think the trauma thatthey had that they had
experienced controlled theirmindset?
Why do you think it controlledtheir mindset to the point where
they couldn't even believe forgreater?
SPEAKER_00 (08:24):
I think that they have been in it for so long and
had been for generations andgenerations.
It's kind of like with us withgenerational trauma,
generational curse.
You know what I'm saying?
They've been in it forgenerations.
My family's always gone throughthis.
No, but it ain't got to be thatway.
unknown (08:39):
Because when God wants to deliver, he wants to deliver
like immediately.
You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_00 (08:44):
Like when they left Egypt, like they were thrust out
of Egypt.
Like, y'all better go now.
And so they leave out and theyget they get delivered.
They get to the Red Sea, and thefirst thing they say is not,
God, you delivered us.
First thing they say, oh, youbrought us out here to doctors
want to raise in Egypt.
SPEAKER_01 (09:00):
Wait, that's hilarious though, because when
you have gone through certaintraumas, your mind does have
like a doom level thinking.
And the first thing they thoughtwas like, we finna die, we finna
die, it's over.
You always make the work.
SPEAKER_00 (09:14):
But that that's what trauma does, though.
unknown (09:16):
It clouds how you think and how you see.
And that and your nervoussystem, it stores that.
SPEAKER_00 (09:24):
That's why I say for me, it's been so important to
talk to myself, to speak tomyself, to let my mind hear me
say the words.
SPEAKER_01 (09:33):
And so, and so when you're talking to yourself,
you're are you talking toyourself, you know, get giving
yourself affirmations throughthe word of God?
Practically, are you speaking toyourself?
Boom.
SPEAKER_00 (09:43):
I I'm doing affirmations according to
scripture.
Okay.
Sometimes I can't think of noscriptural affirmation, but I
need to tell myself to get myact together and quit acting
like this, because you're betterthan this.
And I'm gonna tell you this, andI'm gonna say I hope people
don't look at me strange when Isay this.
But what really taught me toreally look into doing things
like that was my daughter.
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She'll be eight and I told.
She was born with Down syndrome.
SPEAKER_02 (10:07):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (10:08):
But if we tell her to do something that she doesn't
want to do, she'll call her ownname and tell herself to do it
until she doesn't.
SPEAKER_02 (10:16):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (10:17):
And I've tell people all the time Zion got more sense
than everybody in the world.
And she will talk to herselfuntil she does.
unknown (10:24):
But she's speaking to herself and making herself do
what needs to be done.
SPEAKER_00 (10:28):
And sometimes those are what we have to do when it
don't feel good.
Even if, like, especially whenit comes to facing those
triggers from our trauma.
We especially have to talk toourselves and we got to face it
even when it doesn't feel good,because it ain't gonna always
feel good.
SPEAKER_01 (10:42):
Right.
You know, there's so many thingsthat we tell ourselves, so many
things that play in our minds,so many voices that we hear,
often negative, oftendebilitating.
But I hear you saying that wordsare powerful and that you can
literally reset your nervoussystem by speaking to yourself,
speaking over yourself,encouraging your own self,
resetting your nervous system isas easy as opening your own
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mouth.
That's what it sounds likeyou're saying.
SPEAKER_00 (11:08):
Yes, because what happens is a lot of times when
we hear those thoughts and hearthose words that's playing over
and over in our head, we letthem keep playing.
We don't we never challengethem.
SPEAKER_02 (11:19):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (11:19):
We let them keep playing.
unknown (11:21):
But we got to challenge them.
And you challenge them with theopposite of what they're saying.
SPEAKER_00 (11:25):
If they're saying that you were no good and you
deserve what happened to them,you you do not let that stay.
I don't care how you feel aboutit.
Right, you don't let that stain.
You know you don't deserve whathappened to them.
You know that.
But your mind will tell you, inorder to protect you, in order
to, you know, make you notvulnerable, they say, well, I
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brought it on myself.
No, you do that.
You didn't deserve that.
Because a lot of times whathappens is we'll get stuck in
that same trauma loop, right,and we'll end up getting in the
same situation that hurt us inthe same way because we'll feel
like that's all we deserve,because that's all we heard
ourselves say that we deserveit.
And so that's what we'll set upfor.
You have to, you have tochallenge that.
If you don't challenge it, youstay stuck in that same loop.
SPEAKER_01 (12:07):
Now, do you think that the ability to regulate
your emotions is tied to yournervous system?
SPEAKER_00 (12:12):
Because of what happens when you remember those
incidents that happen.
And your nervous systemremembers it.
It remembers it in such vividdetails that it affects your
emotions.
That's why, like I was sayingearlier, you get angry all over
again or you get sad all overagain and get hurt all over
again.
And it's so it's kind of tied tothe fact of when those memories
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come, how does my nervous systemrespond to it?
Because how it responds to it isgonna determine how how I feel
about it emotionally.
SPEAKER_01 (12:46):
So if your nervous system has been reset or is
being reset in regards totrauma, you won't respond the
same way?
SPEAKER_00 (12:53):
Right, you won't respond the same way.
Now, I'm not gonna say that itwon't hurt.
SPEAKER_01 (12:57):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (12:57):
That you won't get angry, but you won't, it won't
be that same intensity that itwas.
SPEAKER_01 (13:02):
Okay.
I can identify with experiencinga trigger, not really realizing
this that this trigger isrelated to something I've
experienced.
And then because of that triggerbeing dissociated, you know, all
day or missing gaps of timewhere I'm like, you know, I was
just off, I was just out of it,you know what I mean, on
autopilot because I wastriggered by something and my
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nervous system responded to it,and I did not know how to
regulate, you know.
I didn't know, like you said,didn't know how to reset it.
I didn't even have theinformation.
Sometimes we're so unaware ofhow our bodies and minds work
and how they're connected,especially as as it relates to
trauma.
So I think it's very importantthat we do kind of like do that
introspective work where we'rescanning our bodies, scanning
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our minds, scanning our spiritsas a how do we feel when we are
faced with this type of memory,you know, because a lot of times
it's the memory, you know,that's where that PTSD comes in.
Where it's it's you rememberingthose traumatic experiences.
And like you said, if yournervous system isn't regulated
or isn't re- isn't reset, thenyour body is literally
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experiencing that trauma allover again.
I hope that gives simplicity tosomeone who may be wondering how
come I feel this certain waywhen I think about you know what
they did or what they said, isyou're literally reliving,
re-experiencing.
SPEAKER_00 (14:23):
Right.
Wow, that's just like it'shaving fresh all over again.
SPEAKER_01 (14:27):
Right, right.
Now, why do you think that mostpeople avoid seasons where that
reset is needed?
What what do you think thehesitancy is where you know one
could be God could be making away for them to come into rest
and to reset or to just a timewhere they kind of, you know,
they're facing the things thatthey've they've been through and
it's a time for confrontation.
Why do you think people avoidthose seasons?
SPEAKER_00 (14:48):
Well, we make it sound simple, but it's hard
work.
SPEAKER_01 (14:50):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (14:52):
It's hard work.
And it's something that you'renot gonna see the results of
immediately.
unknown (14:59):
And we're so used in a society where you know
everything happens so quick, sofast.
SPEAKER_00 (15:04):
Technology has information at our fingertips in
a matter of nanoseconds.
And this is something that it ittakes walking with it.
You you gotta you gotta sit, yougotta sit there with it and and
and and you gotta go through theprocess.
Ain't no shortcuts.
And that's hard for people.
SPEAKER_01 (15:21):
It is, because let me tell you something about the
about the way my patients areset up.
The way my patients are set up,I want this thing out and over
with today, you know,immediately.
unknown (15:32):
Yesterday.
SPEAKER_00 (15:33):
Right.
And it and I think it's justit's just the the fact of that
at work that takes time, andit's gonna be good for you in
the end, but in the beginning,it's rough.
unknown (15:48):
It's hard because we know we gotta face it, right?
We know we gotta face it.
SPEAKER_02 (15:53):
And I think sometimes it's that fear of
facing it, not knowing how we'regonna react when we actually
face it.
SPEAKER_00 (16:01):
When we face it head on and not let it just be a
trigger that triggers us andwhen we face it intentionally.
And we go in and we we sit withit and say, Yeah, this happened
to me.
But what happened as a result ofthis?
What type of person did it makeme as a result of this?
You know, and and that that thattakes it's gonna take some
patience.
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And it's gonna take a lot ofpraying, a lot of self-talk.
Like it even sometimes I justcheck in with myself every now
and then and be like, all rightnow, you know, what's wrong with
you?
SPEAKER_02 (16:31):
How you feeling?
What you got going on?
SPEAKER_00 (16:33):
You know what I'm saying?
Like, right, I'm another person,but I'm talking to me.
SPEAKER_02 (16:36):
Yeah.
unknown (16:37):
To force myself to to face what I'm thinking about if
I'm not living in the moment.
SPEAKER_00 (16:44):
Because a lot of times we miss out on the things
that God has for us becausewe're living in the past, we're
not living in the moment, andnot living in the moment.
The Bible talks about now faith.
SPEAKER_02 (16:56):
Wow.
unknown (16:57):
Faith.
SPEAKER_00 (16:57):
That's right now the gospel of Mark.
Because the gospel of Mark, hey,if you if you read it straight
through, it's like he's in thearea.
Everything is suddenly,immediately, right?
It's like, slow down, Mark.
SPEAKER_01 (17:12):
Let me catch my breath.
Mark got somewhere to go, okay?
He had time to play with Joe.
He won't have time to play, hedon't have time to play.
He got somewhere to be.
SPEAKER_00 (17:22):
And so we have to find ourselves thinking, you
know, in the moment, not to be,you know, so caught up in our
past that we miss out on whatGod has for us.
SPEAKER_01 (17:32):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it's, you know, I'm I'mI'm still in this trauma healing
journey of my own, obviously.
And I share a lot of that um onthe podcast and on my platforms.
And um for me, when I firstbegan to tell my story about,
you know, the years of abuse,mental, vip, verbal, even sexual
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abuse that I endured, I waslike, okay, I'm gonna tell my
story, you know, it's gonna helpa couple people, then I'm gonna
be done.
You know, I had no idea thatthat was just the beginning as
far as the pro as far as theprocess is concerned, because
then it's like, oh, you gottathen you gotta identify your
triggers, and then after that,you have to learn how to
emotionally regulate, and thenafter that, you have to learn,
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you know, CBT and DBT skills.
How do you deal with, you know,this thinking thinking that we
sometimes have, or the negativethinking, I should say, or the
self-loathing, the depression,the anxiety, you know, sometimes
think, okay, this this processis just one, two, three, I'm
done.
But I'm realizing that healingis not linear.
unknown (18:35):
But as a bar right there.
SPEAKER_01 (18:36):
It's not, it's you, it ain't, you know, you're gonna
be up, you're gonna be down,you're gonna be over here,
you're gonna be, you know,detoured sometimes.
Sometimes you're just not gonnafeel like it.
You'll be like, you know what,I'm done, God.
Pack this up.
But I'm realizing that in orderto really see the light of day
or to move from being a traumasurvivor to a thriver, I've
realized that I have to be allin for this process.
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I've realized that there's timeswhere I can see where God is
like, I gotta reset that area ofyour mind.
I gotta transform the way youthink.
Um, I'm learning, you know,learning to allow him to do
that.
What do you think some ways thatwe can lean into allowing God to
change our mindset and and andthen what ways can unresolved
trauma affect the mind?
SPEAKER_00 (19:18):
I think one of the ways to kind of lean into it is
to be, first of all, just to beopen to it in any way that it
comes.
SPEAKER_02 (19:27):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (19:27):
Sometimes we want it to come in the way we want it to
come.
SPEAKER_02 (19:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:31):
We want to deal with it how we want to deal with it.
And that ain't the best way todeal with it sometimes.
unknown (19:36):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (19:37):
No, we have to be open to how he wants us to deal
with this trauma that we'regoing through or this situation
that happened, or that situationthat happened.
Because you you're not gonna beable to deal with everything
that happened to you in the sameway.
You have to be open to himshowing up in ways that maybe
that he hasn't shown us upbefore.
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You know, in in ways that thatare new to you.
Right.
So I think the main thing is tobe open to how.
SPEAKER_02 (20:09):
Now, most of that negative thinking that you just
talked about comes from ourunresolved trauma.
SPEAKER_00 (20:18):
Because when that trauma's not resolved, like I
said, your subconscious isalways trying to protect you.
So everything that you see,you're viewing it in a way that,
okay, this can hurt me, this canharm me.
And so you're gonna tell youwhatever you got to tell you to
protect me.
That's self-reservation.
That's a bad voice.
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We're gonna tell you whateveryou got to tell you in order to
protect you.
SPEAKER_01 (20:44):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (20:45):
And so that your mentality, because of the
unreserved trauma, what it doesis it keeps you stuck in that
trauma state.
You feel stuck, even though it'strying to protect you by you
know building a fence, it'sbuilding a fence so nothing can
come in.
But guess what?
You can't get out either.
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And so you stuck.
And so those negative thoughts,that negative mentality keeps
playing over and over and overagain, because you can't release
it because it keeps hitting thatfence.
It's your subconscious build.
SPEAKER_01 (21:18):
Wow.
I I just want to say that firstof all, when I when I dive into
the way that trauma affects usand these coping mechanisms that
our body actually makes up.
I'd be like, God, well, why youcreate us like this?
Because the fact that, you know,one of the issues I had
struggled with uh for a longtime was dissociation, right?
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And you know, it would be anautomatic thing.
My body would sense that therewas a stressful or painful thing
happening or recovering,especially because it was
chronic abuse.
It was years and years andyears, right?
And so my body just figured outa way to shut down.
We're not here, we're physicallyhere, but mentally and
emotionally we checked out.
And I said to myself, like, God,how did this happen?
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How did I become someone whodissociates?
But I just think it's just it'sawesome, and it's all also in
the same time can be alarmingbecause it's like this is
something that you said, aself-preservation that my body
did in order to protect me, butnow I have to learn that I'm no
longer in those uh places ofthreat.
You know, I'm safe, I'm safe inGod now, and I'm no longer in
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those traumatic experiences.
So now I have to retrain myself,you know, stay on task, we don't
have to flip out, and look,we're gonna gotta crash out, we
don't gotta dissociate, we don'tgotta be delusional because
you're gonna be okay because Godgot you.
But it's just so amazing to me,like how the body um works in
that way.
And uh I think about thescripture that talks about
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presenting your presenting yourbody to God, you know, as a
sacrifice, and somebody mightthink, okay, that well, that
doesn't correlate.
But to me, it's it's bringingit's bringing your body under
subjection because what I woulddo, what I do want to do right
now is scratch out, okay?
What I do want to do is bechecked out right now, but I
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cannot allow, especiallyeveryday life, to trigger me to
the point where I'm you know I'mout of my mind or I'm
disconnected or I'm deregulated.
So I just think that that'sthat's so important and it's so
beneficial to realizing evenwhat goes on in your body when
you are deregulated?
What happens in your body whenyou are in need of a reset?
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Sometimes people don't evenknow, like, oh, this means I
need a reset.
You know what I mean?
So it's it's it's really amazingto think about.
How how do you think thatsomebody can discern whether
they need that nervous systemreset versus like needing just
some rest or self-care?
What would be the difference uhwhere you can say, you know
what?
No, I need a reset.
You know, I don't need a nap.
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I need a total reset.
unknown (23:46):
I'm gonna say for me, the easy way to figure that out.
SPEAKER_01 (23:55):
Say, look, if you take a nap and you still waking
up trying to crash out, it'smore than a nap.
It's more than a nap.
SPEAKER_00 (24:01):
Honestly, because the something's really present
the same.
Like they honestly do, becauseyou say, Well, I'm just like
taking a time for myself.
I need to get some rest whileI'm like this.
unknown (24:12):
Go get you some rest.
SPEAKER_02 (24:13):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (24:14):
Take some time for yourself.
And then when you come back, ifyou feel like that, then it was
more than just rest and time tomyself that I need.
SPEAKER_01 (24:20):
Wow.
unknown (24:21):
Rest and time and time for yourself is important too.
SPEAKER_01 (24:24):
Right.
unknown (24:24):
That's that's part of the nervous system regulation.
SPEAKER_00 (24:29):
Is when our nervous system is dysregulated, we look
at rest as a stuff beingunproductive.
SPEAKER_01 (24:39):
Wait a minute, I need you to say that again.
You said when our nervous systemis disregulated, we look at risk
how?
SPEAKER_00 (24:48):
We look we look at it like we've been unproductive,
like like, oh no, I got to bedoing something.
No, you don't.
unknown (24:53):
Sit down.
SPEAKER_00 (24:54):
Sit down.
unknown (24:55):
Read your book, enjoy your cup of coffee if you like
coffee.
SPEAKER_00 (24:59):
You know?
You don't always have to begoing, going, going.
I tell them all the time inSunday school, we are human
beings, not human doing.
SPEAKER_01 (25:08):
See, now you're stepping on my toes because I
grew up with I grew up in ahousehold that that believed
that if you weren't busy, if youyou weren't productive, you was
lazy.
So you were lazy.
So I never saw my caregivers, Inever saw them rest.
Like they didn't rest until itwas like I'm drop dead tired.
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You know what I mean?
Now I'm exhausted.
And even now, sometimes I talkto my therapist about this and I
say, there are times where Iwill have checked all my boxes,
I've done all the tasks, and I'mlike, let me sit down for a
second.
But then even when I'm sittingdown, I'm like, I feel like
there's something I'm supposedto be doing.
Like, you know, I'm looking forstuff to do.
But I hear you saying that thatis that in itself is a symptom
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of a nervous system deep beingderegulated.
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (25:59):
Cause you know, because you know what it is,
know what you're doing?
You avoided sitting down withyourself.
That's what you're avoiding.
You avoiding sitting down withyourself with nothing to occupy
your mind.
SPEAKER_01 (26:09):
Sir, leave me alone.
Please leave me, please leave mealone.
Please get out my business.
Hey, look, I'm just I'm justtalking one traveler to another.
SPEAKER_00 (26:21):
I'm just telling you when I when I figured out about
me.
Because like it's a man, look,what probably wasn't the past
eight months or a year, I'velearned how to really just to
rest.
Like some days I get home fromwork and I just go to sleep.
I mean, I don't know.
I'm grown, you can't whoop me.
SPEAKER_01 (26:40):
Right.
The rest was so important thatGod gave him a command on the
room.
Right.
It was not a suggestion.
No, it was a suggestion.
It was a command.
It was one of the big 10.
unknown (26:54):
It was right up there with don't be making no idols.
SPEAKER_01 (26:56):
Wow.
And so you need to rest.
unknown (27:00):
And Jesus said it like that.
SPEAKER_00 (27:02):
He said, look, he said, man was not made for the
Sabbath, but Sabbath was madefor man.
God knew we were gonna need it.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (27:09):
Because he knew if he left us out on the vices,
we're gonna work ourselves intothe ground.
That's true.
And you know what?
I tell people, even when I'm,you know, talking to people
about rest, I always say, Rustis not something that you have
to earn.
It's a birthright.
And another thing I don't wantto forget about is self-care.
Is what?
(27:30):
Self-care.
Self-care.
SPEAKER_00 (27:31):
You gotta love you.
The Bible says this, it says tolove your neighbor as yourself.
You can't love your neighbor asyourself if you don't love
yourself first.
SPEAKER_02 (27:40):
It takes it for granted that you're gonna love
you.
SPEAKER_01 (27:44):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (27:44):
So love your neighbor as yourself.
SPEAKER_01 (27:47):
Wow.
unknown (27:48):
But you got to love you first.
SPEAKER_01 (27:49):
You know, that's so deep because in church spaces,
we use certain scriptureswithout really kind of like
going into context and reallydigging, you know, digging
through those.
Like you said, it does say loveyour neighbor as yourself.
The origin is you lovingyourself first.
And from you first.
Right.
And from loving you first, thenyou can pour love into someone
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else, right?
SPEAKER_00 (28:13):
Yeah, you can't you cannot pour water from an empty
kitchen.
Okay, how hard you try it, ain'tgonna work.
I got to love you.
SPEAKER_01 (28:23):
Because we talked about, you know, how sometimes
in certain communities,especially in our church, trauma
is is now becoming somethingthat we are maybe becoming a
little bit more comfortable withtalking about and sharing.
Um I know in times past it wassomething that was swept under
the rug.
You know, we I grew up in one ofthose households that subscribe
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to the model, what happens inthis house stays in this house,
right?
And then you grow up learning tosuppress.
And then when you come to thechurch, especially depending on
the type of church you go to,maybe you might go to a
deliverance church or whateverhave you, but you you come to
church and now you've learnedfrom all those years to wear a
mask, right?
(29:06):
And you're suffering in silence,you're going through the
motions, you're trying toworship God, you're trying to be
free, all the while your heartis broken, your mind is
disre-regulated, and thensometimes the church, depending
on how open-minded, you know,that they are, they can um also
uh further further woundindividuals because they're not
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trauma-informed, right?
They don't they're not informedon how to deal with trauma, how
to talk about it, to how to evengive space to it.
I've even been in certainchurches where I've heard them
demonize trauma, you know, andto a to ascribe a demon to
everything.
And don't get me wrong.
unknown (29:47):
Everything's a demon.
Everything is a spirit.
Oh, they got the spirit.
No, they don't.
SPEAKER_01 (29:52):
That is not a spirit.
Right.
Perhaps they've beentraumatized, they might have
been abused, and maybe they'remaybe they're struggling with a
mental health issue.
SPEAKER_00 (30:00):
We need to figure out why they act the way they
act.
When Jesus talks about notjudging, I said, the reason why
he says for us not to judge,because there's always at least
one more factor about a person'slife that you have no idea
about.
You might think you knoweverything about this person,
why they the way they are,because of this, this, and this.
But there is one thing thatperson ain't never told you that
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they're going through, thatthey're dealing with, that
determines why they act the waythey act.
We're not to judge, but we don'tknow everything about.
SPEAKER_01 (30:29):
Right.
That makes me think of um thelady who was caught in adultery,
right?
The Bible says that, you know,the the they they came to Jesus
like, yo, we call her an act,right?
She was in, she was doing thedo, right?
Um and first of all, like if youcall her an act, that means she
was with somebody else.
What about old dude?
But uh when they when they cometo Jesus and he bends down in
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the dirt and he's like, Yeah, Idon't really can I don't condemn
you, you know, go and sin nomore.
I always think about what hashappened or what possibly what
happened in her life to get herto that point where she was in
that adulterous affair orwhatever the case may be.
Um I always think I I I like tothink that perhaps maybe one of
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the reasons that Jesus didn'tjudge her and gave her an
opportunity to repent and torestore and restored her was
because he knew what happened inher past, right?
He knew what she had beenthrough, he knew what she had
experienced, he knew how she gotwhere she was, right?
Uh and so I love that about Godbecause he'll, you know, he
he'll see that you know, you youmight you have um have these
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behaviors or even thesetendencies or propensities to
sin.
Like we all do.
We have these propensities tosin because it's in our nature.
Um, but sometimes it is becauseof things that we have
experienced, right?
Like you think about people whoare uh who suffer with
addiction, you know, sometimesthey're just looking for a way
to numb that pain, you know, todeal with the voids that they
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have.
And and I think that's like yousaid, sometimes it's important
for us even in the church to becareful, you know, of how we're
dealing with those people.
And and speaking of which, whatdo you think that the what what
role um does communities orspiritual mentorship, what role
does it play in supporting thisprocess of healing and and um uh
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nervous system regulation?
Like what what role do we playin that as a church?
SPEAKER_00 (32:24):
Well, like I said earlier, none of us is in this
by ourselves.
We're all in this together.
Yeah.
And I'm glad you brought up thewoman that was caught in the in
adultery.
Because notice what Jesus did.
SPEAKER_02 (32:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (32:38):
He said, Neither do I condemn you.
unknown (32:41):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (32:42):
Don't go and sin no more.
SPEAKER_02 (32:43):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (32:43):
You know what that did?
That freed her.
That freed her because yeah,they done said they done caught
me in the very act.
SPEAKER_02 (32:50):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (32:50):
And I know I'm supposed to get stoned.
SPEAKER_02 (32:52):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (32:53):
You know what?
I don't condemn you.
I'm not gonna judge you by theact that you do.
And I think for us as a church,the biggest thing we could do is
first of all, is stop condemningfolks.
Wow.
Their behaviors is differentthan your behavior, you got a
behavior too.
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But since your behavior isacceptable and their behavior in
society ain't acceptable, orjust in your group ain't
acceptable.
Right.
You want to condemn them, butyours is like, no, that ain't
how that works.
First, don't condemn.
unknown (33:27):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (33:28):
Then have space for them to share if they want to
share.
unknown (33:33):
You know what I'm saying?
Some people don't want to talkabout what they've been doing.
SPEAKER_02 (33:37):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (33:38):
But the space needs to be there for them to do.
And some need to talk about it.
They feel like they have to getit out.
There'd be space for them to dowithout judgment.
SPEAKER_02 (33:46):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_00 (33:47):
Because our whole point as a church is to build up
the body.
And if one part is hurting,everybody hurts.
SPEAKER_01 (33:54):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (33:55):
So if if my toe hurts, this is what I'm gonna
do.
I'm gonna see about it.
I'm gonna see what's wrong withit, I'm gonna see how to fix it.
SPEAKER_01 (34:01):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (34:02):
I ain't finna tip and holler at my toe.
SPEAKER_01 (34:04):
Talking about some why is you hurting?
Right.
Let's figure out what theproblem is.
I'm gonna figure out what theproblem is.
SPEAKER_00 (34:10):
See how we can alleviate this problem, and then
I'm gonna help protect you fromthis problem in the future.
SPEAKER_02 (34:16):
Wow.
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (34:18):
And I think having a community that's open like that,
it helps with that regulation ofyour nervous system.
What it does is it allows yournervous system to know that I
don't have to protect me bymyself.
The job ain't totally mine.
There are other people that loveme and care about me that are
gonna share in the job ofprotecting me.
(34:39):
So I don't have to do it on myown.
So every time something comes, Igotta automatically jump so I'm
gonna build this wall up.
SPEAKER_03 (34:44):
Because there are people in my community who
already looking out for me.
SPEAKER_00 (34:48):
That's what the Bible tells us that the strong
should bear the infirmity of theweak.
I mean, I don't know what wethink that means.
SPEAKER_01 (34:54):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (34:55):
But that means when my brother or sister is going
through some things that theyjust can't make it and they
having problems or issues fromsome past trauma or whatever
they're going through, guesswhat?
I'm there to hold up thestandard.
SPEAKER_01 (35:06):
See, I think that um God is really trying to do
something um with people whohave gone through traumatic
experiences.
He really wants to heal people,and I think that we often negate
the trauma is all throughout theBible.
You know, I mean, there's traumaall throughout the Bible, and I
think sometimes we have atendency to only like check out
(35:26):
the highlight reels, check outthe victories, check out the you
know, the breakthroughs and thedeliver the the deliverances.
But we read stories all in theBible, like when Tamar was
raped, and when, you know, whenJob lost his kid.
But it just goes to show that wewe experience things in life
that sometimes, you know, wereally don't have an
understanding as to why on thisside of heaven, and that even in
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those experiences that aretraumatic or that are
devastating, where we areexperiencing such loss and such
grief, God is able to deliverand to be with us in it.
Sometimes it don't make sense,right?
Sometimes it doesn't.
And you know what?
I think about I think anotherthing that makes me, you know,
want to pray and intercede isbecause I think in our efforts
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to kind of like provide ananswer instead of saying, you
know, I don't know, I don'tknow, I don't know why, I don't
understand, I'm just gonnacontinue to pray and be here for
you.
I think even sometimes wemistakenly misuse scriptures,
you know, for that.
I've heard people say, you know,you know, he works all things
out for the good, you know, andwhich he does.
But in this particularsituation, I don't know if this
(36:34):
is good yet.
I don't know how this is gonnawork out.
I don't even know how I'm gonnasee my way out of, you know what
I mean?
I ain't got to the good part.
Right.
I ain't to the good part, yeah.
He's still working that part.
SPEAKER_03 (36:44):
We still we still in the all things part.
SPEAKER_01 (36:46):
Yeah, we still know all things, right?
SPEAKER_00 (36:49):
Right.
We know all things.
I think we do.
We'll we take scripture and trybecause a lot of times, not only
are we trying to get a personthat's going through answers,
we're trying to figure outanswers for ourselves.
SPEAKER_01 (37:06):
Well, Larry, it has been so beneficial.
These types of messages arecertainly needed in the body of
Christ.
I mean, in the world at large,but people need to need to hear,
you know, how uh trauma affectsour nervous system, how we can
be deregulated.
And I think we we have to havethese conversations about the
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things we have experienced andthe things that God is still
bringing us through.
I think we we have to have theseconversations about the things
we have experienced and thethings that God is still
bringing us through so that wecan understand that we're still
being delivered, right?
And perhaps if you give me thistime and space to talk about the
(37:52):
things I've been through and howthey have affected me, we can we
can come to that point where youknow you know what we need to
pray for, what we need to gofor, how you can be of service
to me and me to you.
Um, and I think I feel likethat's what God wants to do
right now.
I think He's awakening peoplewho have had traumatic
experiences, who are beingdelivered, who are coming coming
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out of certain things, and he'sgiving allowing them to have
voice to speak to those thingsthat we've gone through.
I feel like God is like, youknow, now's the time where I got
if I'm gonna heal my people, Igotta start with the root.
You know what I mean?
I gotta start not just with thesymptoms.
Because I think sometimes wewant to deal with the symptoms,
you know, but we gotta deal withthe root of the issue.
Well, again, like I said, it'sbeen a pleasure.
(38:32):
I so appreciate your voice.
I so appreciate the content thatyou shared when I came across it
that day.
I was like, now wait a minute.
I I love it.
I'm so attracted to when I hearpeople say, talk about it in
that way, especially when youhave those the biblical base and
you have scripture to back itup, that uh that does something
for me because as a Christian,obviously who've been through
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certain traumas, I'm looking forthe word of God.
How can the word of God see meout of this situation?
How can I relate my traumaticexperiences back to the word of
God?
You know what I mean?
Because when I first realizedthat there was such a deep need
to heal from the trauma I hadbeen through, I was like in the
Bible, like, well, I wanted tofind myself in the Bible.
Where is the person that hasbeen through what I've been
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through and has been affected byit the way that I have, you
know, and so I'm constantly on asearch for scripture and stories
that I can identify and relateto.
So thank you again so much forsharing what you shared on your
platform.
Tell us where we can find you ifwe, you know, want to look into
your content or even you knowspeak with to you about some of
the things you shared with metoday.
(39:36):
Where can we find you?
SPEAKER_00 (39:37):
My TikTok is uh the self-care shop.
Um shop is s-h-o-p-p-e.
Uh let's see, I am on YouTube.
unknown (39:46):
I don't post a lot on YouTube, but I'm on YouTube.
SPEAKER_00 (39:47):
They people don't start making me post on that.
I'm on YouTube.
Uh, my handle is Larry Hooks888.
SPEAKER_02 (39:54):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (39:55):
Email address Larryhooks04 at gmail.com.
If you want to just reach out,like you have questions or
anything.
I got a uh I got a free ebookthat I'm giving out to people
that's uh subscribe by email.
It's called uh Love Story.
It's kind of uh uh just a shortlittle guide about you know
loving your starting to loveyourself again.
Sign up like through my TikTokthrough the um email
(40:17):
subscription I'm sending.
I was sending that out to them.
SPEAKER_01 (40:20):
So awesome, awesome.
Well, keep doing what you'redoing.
Like I said, it caught myattention and I was like, now
wait a minute.
So we got to talk about thisthing.
So keep doing what you're doing,um, being a uh definitely a
service to the body of Christand to those who are in no hip
in their healing process.
We appreciate you.
Hey y'all, welcome to Triumph Over Trauma, the
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podcast.
Listen, y'all, I created thispodcast because, like so many
other people, I've had atraumatic past.
I didn't always realize howthose things affected me
negatively and how I evencarried them into my adult life.
And so I wanted to create aspace where other people could
come and we could have candidconversations on how you
identify trauma, how do younavigate it, and how you recover
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from traumatic experiences.
If this resonates with you, thenjoin me.
I am your host and traumasurvivor, Miss Eve McNair.
Let's get into it.
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Alright, guys, welcome back toTriumph Over Trauma.
Thank you so much for joining meagain.
Today we have a special guest onthe show, uh Larry Hooks.
I came across Larry's uh videoson TikTok and he was talking
about a nervous system reset,the importance of a nervous
system reset, and it was soengaging to me because as a
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trauma survivor, I'm alwayslooking for ways that I can
obviously emotionally regulateand also master my own nervous
system, especially when I'mtriggered.
And so the information he sharedon his platform, I thought was
very beneficial when I was like,I gotta have him on the show
because I think that there's somany people who need nervous
system resets and aren't evenaware of it.
(01:26):
So, Larry, before we go into it,tell us who you are and a little
bit about yourself.
SPEAKER_00 (01:31):
Alright, first of all, thank you for having me on.
Um, like you said, my name isLarry Hooks.
unknown (01:36):
Um, I've been studying neuroplasticity, um,
metaphysical um sciences.
Probably for the last 34, 35years.
SPEAKER_00 (01:47):
Um, just going through life, going through a
lot of um my own trauma, youknow, like when things would
trigger me, like everything wasspiral out of control.
And so as I began to kind ofstudy how the human body works
and how our mentality has a lotto do with how we handle
(02:09):
situations and the fact that,and we'll get into this when we
get into some of the questions,but the fact of how even when
you're thinking about what youwent through, your body, your
subconscious can't tell thedifference.
It's thinking about it and youactually going through it.
That's why, like, if you thinkabout something that made you
mad, you get mad all over.
Subconscious can't tell thedifference.
SPEAKER_01 (02:29):
Wow, that's deep.
SPEAKER_00 (02:30):
And it it it's kind of how I got where I am is kind
of just trying to just try tofigure out myself for real.
And I was like, well, I can'tjust keep this to myself.
I gotta let other people knowwhat I've been discovering,
because hey, we're on thisjourney together for real.
SPEAKER_01 (02:43):
That's right.
And I'm so glad that you did youhave begun um sharing that, and
of course, that I came acrossthat information because, like I
said, it spoke to me.
You know, speaking of thatvideo, you talked about the
importance again of the nervoussystem being reset, especially
after trauma.
Can you tell me how you thinkit's crucial to the advancement
spiritually, mentally, andnaturally, how important it is
(03:04):
it to have a nervous systemreset?
SPEAKER_00 (03:06):
The thing about it, if if you don't have it, you may
get to move and forward andthink you're past it.
But if if you never sit downwith it and dealt with it so
that when something happens thatdoesn't trigger you, you'll be
drawn right back into it.
So spiritually, you you want toyou want your spirit to grow,
but it's like it's not able to,it's like it's stunning.
(03:28):
Because you think, uh, oh yeah,I got it now, I gotta, I've got
it, I gotta be somethinghappens.
And because you trigger yournervous system, it's trying to
protect you, because itremembers what you went through.
SPEAKER_02 (03:38):
Wow.
So it's trying to protect youfrom going through that again.
SPEAKER_00 (03:41):
So anything that that resembles what you went
through, you know, it's tryingto protect against it.
And so what that does is if youtry to start about and do
anything new, you get a check inyour spirit.
This may hurt you.
unknown (03:53):
Don't try that because this may hurt you.
You get back in the back of yourmind where you remember what
happened last time.
Your subconscious don't mean it,huh?
It's just trying to protect you.
But what we have to do is wehave to reset that to let our
subconscious know that yes, it'sokay this time, though.
Sometimes you just you have totalk to yourself.
SPEAKER_00 (04:11):
Like for real.
Like, you know, people say,well, you need to.
Man, look, you better talk toyourself.
SPEAKER_01 (04:17):
You better talk to yourself, get yourself together.
SPEAKER_00 (04:19):
Because you have to hear, you have to hear you say
it.
You have to hear your voicesaying that it's okay.
SPEAKER_01 (04:27):
Wow.
You know what?
I can certainly agree with thatbecause I noticed that there's
times when I'm in prayer.
There's something about when youpray an audible prayer and you
hear your spirit communicatingwith God's spirit, and you hear
the words that are coming out ofyour mouth, and it strengthens
you and it transforms you, andit uplifts you to the point
where you you feel like, youknow what, I can overcome this,
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I can beat this thing.
But it's something abouthearing, like you said, hearing
your own voice, and it does makea difference.
And I thought it was interestingwhat you said about how your
body, or which houses thenervous system, still remembers
what you've gone through.
I remember reading this bookcalled The Body Keeps the Score
by Bessel Vanderkirk, and hetalks about how that very thing,
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how our bodies remember, youknow, things that even though,
you know, they may have happenedyears ago, we may have, you
know, physically grown, but ourbodies and our spiritual and
even sometimes our emotions andlike you said, our mentalities
are kind of trapped in the inthat experience, and we don't
really we don't really knowthat's it.
SPEAKER_00 (05:27):
That's where the reset comes in.
It's not uh downplaying whathappened to you, not downplaying
the hurt that happened to you,but you begin to view it
differently.
Yeah, this happened to you.
Yeah, it hurt you, but guesswhat?
You made it through it.
So this that happened to youactually made you a stronger
person.
So now when I look at it, I'mnot looking at it as a victim,
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but I'm looking at it as someonewho overcame that.
So now I can help somebody elseovercome this because this thing
that I overcame, it made mestronger as a person.
See, a lot of times when itcomes to faith, a faith is not
really a change in ourcircumstances as much as it a
change in our perspective.
Thanks in uh 2 Kings, I think,chapter 6, where Elisha and his
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servant were surrounded by theking's armor.
unknown (06:10):
And the servant came in, like, look, Elisha, we
surrounded, we surrounded.
And Elisha, he wasn't introuble.
Elijah said, open his eyes thathe may see.
He opened his eyes, he saw allthe hosts of heaven and camps
around him.
The host of heaven was alwaysthere.
SPEAKER_00 (06:25):
Father was on the problem and not on the solution.
I think that's what happens tous with our nervous system, is
that when we go through traumaor something happens to us, our
nervous system stamps that, andwhen something similar like this
happens, it's trouble.
unknown (06:41):
But you made it through that trouble, though.
SPEAKER_00 (06:42):
So since you made it through the trouble, I mean you
are in trouble overcome.
When trouble comes now, you andit triggers you, you can say,
Oh, I've overcome this.
Oh, it's about to happen, oh,oh, here we go again.
unknown (06:53):
It's oh, I've overcome this before.
So I can do it again.
Okay.
And it takes it takesconsistency.
It's not something that's gonnahappen like I'm gonna do it one
or two times and then I'm gonnabe over.
No, it takes consistency.
SPEAKER_01 (07:07):
It takes consistency day in and day out, consistency.
SPEAKER_00 (07:10):
And I find that the more I the more I speak God's
word over me, the more I claimto be what he claims that I am,
it helps me to see myself as hesees me and not as what's
happened to me, not as what I'vegone through.
Because your your trauma doesn'tdefine who you are.
SPEAKER_01 (07:29):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (07:29):
Did it happen to you?
Yes.
Did it hurt?
Absolutely.
Did it destroy you?
No, because you still here.
SPEAKER_01 (07:38):
Because you're still here.
SPEAKER_00 (07:39):
So it can't define you.
If it would have defined you, itwould have been able to destroy
you, but it couldn't.
SPEAKER_01 (07:44):
Wow, that's good.
You said in your video, you saidthat uh you talked about the
children of Israel, how they hadbeen delivered out of Egypt, out
of slavery, and you said theyhad miracle-level access, but
they had trauma-level thinking.
They weren't able to obtain allthat God in that particular
time, all that God really hadfor them.
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And we know that, you know, thethe Bible goes on to say that it
took them 40 years, you know,um, to finally reach their
promised land.
Why do you think the trauma thatthey had that they had
experienced controlled theirmindset?
Why do you think it controlledtheir mindset to the point where
they couldn't even believe forgreater?
SPEAKER_00 (08:24):
I think that they have been in it for so long and
had been for generations andgenerations.
It's kind of like with us withgenerational trauma,
generational curse.
You know what I'm saying?
They've been in it forgenerations.
My family's always gone throughthis.
No, but it ain't got to be thatway.
unknown (08:39):
Because when God wants to deliver, he wants to deliver
like immediately.
You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_00 (08:44):
Like when they left Egypt, like they were thrust out
of Egypt.
Like, y'all better go now.
And so they leave out and theyget they get delivered.
They get to the Red Sea, and thefirst thing they say is not,
God, you delivered us.
First thing they say, oh, youbrought us out here to doctors
want to raise in Egypt.
SPEAKER_01 (09:00):
Wait, that's hilarious though, because when
you have gone through certaintraumas, your mind does have
like a doom level thinking.
And the first thing they thoughtwas like, we finna die, we finna
die, it's over.
You always make the work.
SPEAKER_00 (09:14):
But that that's what trauma does, though.
unknown (09:16):
It clouds how you think and how you see.
And that and your nervoussystem, it stores that.
SPEAKER_00 (09:24):
That's why I say for me, it's been so important to
talk to myself, to speak tomyself, to let my mind hear me
say the words.
SPEAKER_01 (09:33):
And so, and so when you're talking to yourself,
you're are you talking toyourself, you know, get giving
yourself affirmations throughthe word of God?
Practically, are you speaking toyourself?
Boom.
SPEAKER_00 (09:43):
I I'm doing affirmations according to
scripture.
Okay.
Sometimes I can't think of noscriptural affirmation, but I
need to tell myself to get myact together and quit acting
like this, because you're betterthan this.
And I'm gonna tell you this, andI'm gonna say I hope people
don't look at me strange when Isay this.
But what really taught me toreally look into doing things
like that was my daughter.
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She'll be eight and I told.
She was born with Down syndrome.
SPEAKER_02 (10:07):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (10:08):
But if we tell her to do something that she doesn't
want to do, she'll call her ownname and tell herself to do it
until she doesn't.
SPEAKER_02 (10:16):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (10:17):
And I've tell people all the time Zion got more sense
than everybody in the world.
And she will talk to herselfuntil she does.
unknown (10:24):
But she's speaking to herself and making herself do
what needs to be done.
SPEAKER_00 (10:28):
And sometimes those are what we have to do when it
don't feel good.
Even if, like, especially whenit comes to facing those
triggers from our trauma.
We especially have to talk toourselves and we got to face it
even when it doesn't feel good,because it ain't gonna always
feel good.
SPEAKER_01 (10:42):
Right.
You know, there's so many thingsthat we tell ourselves, so many
things that play in our minds,so many voices that we hear,
often negative, oftendebilitating.
But I hear you saying that wordsare powerful and that you can
literally reset your nervoussystem by speaking to yourself,
speaking over yourself,encouraging your own self,
resetting your nervous system isas easy as opening your own
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mouth.
That's what it sounds likeyou're saying.
SPEAKER_00 (11:08):
Yes, because what happens is a lot of times when
we hear those thoughts and hearthose words that's playing over
and over in our head, we letthem keep playing.
We don't we never challengethem.
SPEAKER_02 (11:19):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (11:19):
We let them keep playing.
unknown (11:21):
But we got to challenge them.
And you challenge them with theopposite of what they're saying.
SPEAKER_00 (11:25):
If they're saying that you were no good and you
deserve what happened to them,you you do not let that stay.
I don't care how you feel aboutit.
Right, you don't let that stain.
You know you don't deserve whathappened to them.
You know that.
But your mind will tell you, inorder to protect you, in order
to, you know, make you notvulnerable, they say, well, I
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brought it on myself.
No, you do that.
You didn't deserve that.
Because a lot of times whathappens is we'll get stuck in
that same trauma loop, right,and we'll end up getting in the
same situation that hurt us inthe same way because we'll feel
like that's all we deserve,because that's all we heard
ourselves say that we deserveit.
And so that's what we'll set upfor.
You have to, you have tochallenge that.
If you don't challenge it, youstay stuck in that same loop.
SPEAKER_01 (12:07):
Now, do you think that the ability to regulate
your emotions is tied to yournervous system?
SPEAKER_00 (12:12):
Because of what happens when you remember those
incidents that happen.
And your nervous systemremembers it.
It remembers it in such vividdetails that it affects your
emotions.
That's why, like I was sayingearlier, you get angry all over
again or you get sad all overagain and get hurt all over
again.
And it's so it's kind of tied tothe fact of when those memories
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come, how does my nervous systemrespond to it?
Because how it responds to it isgonna determine how how I feel
about it emotionally.
SPEAKER_01 (12:46):
So if your nervous system has been reset or is
being reset in regards totrauma, you won't respond the
same way?
SPEAKER_00 (12:53):
Right, you won't respond the same way.
Now, I'm not gonna say that itwon't hurt.
SPEAKER_01 (12:57):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (12:57):
That you won't get angry, but you won't, it won't
be that same intensity that itwas.
SPEAKER_01 (13:02):
Okay.
I can identify with experiencinga trigger, not really realizing
this that this trigger isrelated to something I've
experienced.
And then because of that triggerbeing dissociated, you know, all
day or missing gaps of timewhere I'm like, you know, I was
just off, I was just out of it,you know what I mean, on
autopilot because I wastriggered by something and my
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nervous system responded to it,and I did not know how to
regulate, you know.
I didn't know, like you said,didn't know how to reset it.
I didn't even have theinformation.
Sometimes we're so unaware ofhow our bodies and minds work
and how they're connected,especially as as it relates to
trauma.
So I think it's very importantthat we do kind of like do that
introspective work where we'rescanning our bodies, scanning
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our minds, scanning our spiritsas a how do we feel when we are
faced with this type of memory,you know, because a lot of times
it's the memory, you know,that's where that PTSD comes in.
Where it's it's you rememberingthose traumatic experiences.
And like you said, if yournervous system isn't regulated
or isn't re- isn't reset, thenyour body is literally
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experiencing that trauma allover again.
I hope that gives simplicity tosomeone who may be wondering how
come I feel this certain waywhen I think about you know what
they did or what they said, isyou're literally reliving,
re-experiencing.
SPEAKER_00 (14:23):
Right.
Wow, that's just like it'shaving fresh all over again.
SPEAKER_01 (14:27):
Right, right.
Now, why do you think that mostpeople avoid seasons where that
reset is needed?
What what do you think thehesitancy is where you know one
could be God could be making away for them to come into rest
and to reset or to just a timewhere they kind of, you know,
they're facing the things thatthey've they've been through and
it's a time for confrontation.
Why do you think people avoidthose seasons?
SPEAKER_00 (14:48):
Well, we make it sound simple, but it's hard
work.
SPEAKER_01 (14:50):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (14:52):
It's hard work.
And it's something that you'renot gonna see the results of
immediately.
unknown (14:59):
And we're so used in a society where you know
everything happens so quick, sofast.
SPEAKER_00 (15:04):
Technology has information at our fingertips in
a matter of nanoseconds.
And this is something that it ittakes walking with it.
You you gotta you gotta sit, yougotta sit there with it and and
and and you gotta go through theprocess.
Ain't no shortcuts.
And that's hard for people.
SPEAKER_01 (15:21):
It is, because let me tell you something about the
about the way my patients areset up.
The way my patients are set up,I want this thing out and over
with today, you know,immediately.
unknown (15:32):
Yesterday.
SPEAKER_00 (15:33):
Right.
And it and I think it's justit's just the the fact of that
at work that takes time, andit's gonna be good for you in
the end, but in the beginning,it's rough.
unknown (15:48):
It's hard because we know we gotta face it, right?
We know we gotta face it.
SPEAKER_02 (15:53):
And I think sometimes it's that fear of
facing it, not knowing how we'regonna react when we actually
face it.
SPEAKER_00 (16:01):
When we face it head on and not let it just be a
trigger that triggers us andwhen we face it intentionally.
And we go in and we we sit withit and say, Yeah, this happened
to me.
But what happened as a result ofthis?
What type of person did it makeme as a result of this?
You know, and and that that thattakes it's gonna take some
patience.
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And it's gonna take a lot ofpraying, a lot of self-talk.
Like it even sometimes I justcheck in with myself every now
and then and be like, all rightnow, you know, what's wrong with
you?
SPEAKER_02 (16:31):
How you feeling?
What you got going on?
SPEAKER_00 (16:33):
You know what I'm saying?
Like, right, I'm another person,but I'm talking to me.
SPEAKER_02 (16:36):
Yeah.
unknown (16:37):
To force myself to to face what I'm thinking about if
I'm not living in the moment.
SPEAKER_00 (16:44):
Because a lot of times we miss out on the things
that God has for us becausewe're living in the past, we're
not living in the moment, andnot living in the moment.
The Bible talks about now faith.
SPEAKER_02 (16:56):
Wow.
unknown (16:57):
Faith.
SPEAKER_00 (16:57):
That's right now the gospel of Mark.
Because the gospel of Mark, hey,if you if you read it straight
through, it's like he's in thearea.
Everything is suddenly,immediately, right?
It's like, slow down, Mark.
SPEAKER_01 (17:12):
Let me catch my breath.
Mark got somewhere to go, okay?
He had time to play with Joe.
He won't have time to play, hedon't have time to play.
He got somewhere to be.
SPEAKER_00 (17:22):
And so we have to find ourselves thinking, you
know, in the moment, not to be,you know, so caught up in our
past that we miss out on whatGod has for us.
SPEAKER_01 (17:32):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it's, you know, I'm I'mI'm still in this trauma healing
journey of my own, obviously.
And I share a lot of that um onthe podcast and on my platforms.
And um for me, when I firstbegan to tell my story about,
you know, the years of abuse,mental, vip, verbal, even sexual
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abuse that I endured, I waslike, okay, I'm gonna tell my
story, you know, it's gonna helpa couple people, then I'm gonna
be done.
You know, I had no idea thatthat was just the beginning as
far as the pro as far as theprocess is concerned, because
then it's like, oh, you gottathen you gotta identify your
triggers, and then after that,you have to learn how to
emotionally regulate, and thenafter that, you have to learn,
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you know, CBT and DBT skills.
How do you deal with, you know,this thinking thinking that we
sometimes have, or the negativethinking, I should say, or the
self-loathing, the depression,the anxiety, you know, sometimes
think, okay, this this processis just one, two, three, I'm
done.
But I'm realizing that healingis not linear.
unknown (18:35):
But as a bar right there.
SPEAKER_01 (18:36):
It's not, it's you, it ain't, you know, you're gonna
be up, you're gonna be down,you're gonna be over here,
you're gonna be, you know,detoured sometimes.
Sometimes you're just not gonnafeel like it.
You'll be like, you know what,I'm done, God.
Pack this up.
But I'm realizing that in orderto really see the light of day
or to move from being a traumasurvivor to a thriver, I've
realized that I have to be allin for this process.
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I've realized that there's timeswhere I can see where God is
like, I gotta reset that area ofyour mind.
I gotta transform the way youthink.
Um, I'm learning, you know,learning to allow him to do
that.
What do you think some ways thatwe can lean into allowing God to
change our mindset and and andthen what ways can unresolved
trauma affect the mind?
SPEAKER_00 (19:18):
I think one of the ways to kind of lean into it is
to be, first of all, just to beopen to it in any way that it
comes.
SPEAKER_02 (19:27):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (19:27):
Sometimes we want it to come in the way we want it to
come.
SPEAKER_02 (19:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:31):
We want to deal with it how we want to deal with it.
And that ain't the best way todeal with it sometimes.
unknown (19:36):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (19:37):
No, we have to be open to how he wants us to deal
with this trauma that we'regoing through or this situation
that happened, or that situationthat happened.
Because you you're not gonna beable to deal with everything
that happened to you in the sameway.
You have to be open to himshowing up in ways that maybe
that he hasn't shown us upbefore.
(20:00):
You know, in in ways that thatare new to you.
Right.
So I think the main thing is tobe open to how.
SPEAKER_02 (20:09):
Now, most of that negative thinking that you just
talked about comes from ourunresolved trauma.
SPEAKER_00 (20:18):
Because when that trauma's not resolved, like I
said, your subconscious isalways trying to protect you.
So everything that you see,you're viewing it in a way that,
okay, this can hurt me, this canharm me.
And so you're gonna tell youwhatever you got to tell you to
protect me.
That's self-reservation.
That's a bad voice.
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We're gonna tell you whateveryou got to tell you in order to
protect you.
SPEAKER_01 (20:44):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (20:45):
And so that your mentality, because of the
unreserved trauma, what it doesis it keeps you stuck in that
trauma state.
You feel stuck, even though it'strying to protect you by you
know building a fence, it'sbuilding a fence so nothing can
come in.
But guess what?
You can't get out either.
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And so you stuck.
And so those negative thoughts,that negative mentality keeps
playing over and over and overagain, because you can't release
it because it keeps hitting thatfence.
It's your subconscious build.
SPEAKER_01 (21:18):
Wow.
I I just want to say that firstof all, when I when I dive into
the way that trauma affects usand these coping mechanisms that
our body actually makes up.
I'd be like, God, well, why youcreate us like this?
Because the fact that, you know,one of the issues I had
struggled with uh for a longtime was dissociation, right?
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And you know, it would be anautomatic thing.
My body would sense that therewas a stressful or painful thing
happening or recovering,especially because it was
chronic abuse.
It was years and years andyears, right?
And so my body just figured outa way to shut down.
We're not here, we're physicallyhere, but mentally and
emotionally we checked out.
And I said to myself, like, God,how did this happen?
(21:58):
How did I become someone whodissociates?
But I just think it's just it'sawesome, and it's all also in
the same time can be alarmingbecause it's like this is
something that you said, aself-preservation that my body
did in order to protect me, butnow I have to learn that I'm no
longer in those uh places ofthreat.
You know, I'm safe, I'm safe inGod now, and I'm no longer in
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those traumatic experiences.
So now I have to retrain myself,you know, stay on task, we don't
have to flip out, and look,we're gonna gotta crash out, we
don't gotta dissociate, we don'tgotta be delusional because
you're gonna be okay because Godgot you.
But it's just so amazing to me,like how the body um works in
that way.
And uh I think about thescripture that talks about
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presenting your presenting yourbody to God, you know, as a
sacrifice, and somebody mightthink, okay, that well, that
doesn't correlate.
But to me, it's it's bringingit's bringing your body under
subjection because what I woulddo, what I do want to do right
now is scratch out, okay?
What I do want to do is bechecked out right now, but I
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cannot allow, especiallyeveryday life, to trigger me to
the point where I'm you know I'mout of my mind or I'm
disconnected or I'm deregulated.
So I just think that that'sthat's so important and it's so
beneficial to realizing evenwhat goes on in your body when
you are deregulated?
What happens in your body whenyou are in need of a reset?
(23:24):
Sometimes people don't evenknow, like, oh, this means I
need a reset.
You know what I mean?
So it's it's it's really amazingto think about.
How how do you think thatsomebody can discern whether
they need that nervous systemreset versus like needing just
some rest or self-care?
What would be the difference uhwhere you can say, you know
what?
No, I need a reset.
You know, I don't need a nap.
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I need a total reset.
unknown (23:46):
I'm gonna say for me, the easy way to figure that out.
SPEAKER_01 (23:55):
Say, look, if you take a nap and you still waking
up trying to crash out, it'smore than a nap.
It's more than a nap.
SPEAKER_00 (24:01):
Honestly, because the something's really present
the same.
Like they honestly do, becauseyou say, Well, I'm just like
taking a time for myself.
I need to get some rest whileI'm like this.
unknown (24:12):
Go get you some rest.
SPEAKER_02 (24:13):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (24:14):
Take some time for yourself.
And then when you come back, ifyou feel like that, then it was
more than just rest and time tomyself that I need.
SPEAKER_01 (24:20):
Wow.
unknown (24:21):
Rest and time and time for yourself is important too.
SPEAKER_01 (24:24):
Right.
unknown (24:24):
That's that's part of the nervous system regulation.
SPEAKER_00 (24:29):
Is when our nervous system is dysregulated, we look
at rest as a stuff beingunproductive.
SPEAKER_01 (24:39):
Wait a minute, I need you to say that again.
You said when our nervous systemis disregulated, we look at risk
how?
SPEAKER_00 (24:48):
We look we look at it like we've been unproductive,
like like, oh no, I got to bedoing something.
No, you don't.
unknown (24:53):
Sit down.
SPEAKER_00 (24:54):
Sit down.
unknown (24:55):
Read your book, enjoy your cup of coffee if you like
coffee.
SPEAKER_00 (24:59):
You know?
You don't always have to begoing, going, going.
I tell them all the time inSunday school, we are human
beings, not human doing.
SPEAKER_01 (25:08):
See, now you're stepping on my toes because I
grew up with I grew up in ahousehold that that believed
that if you weren't busy, if youyou weren't productive, you was
lazy.
So you were lazy.
So I never saw my caregivers, Inever saw them rest.
Like they didn't rest until itwas like I'm drop dead tired.
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You know what I mean?
Now I'm exhausted.
And even now, sometimes I talkto my therapist about this and I
say, there are times where Iwill have checked all my boxes,
I've done all the tasks, and I'mlike, let me sit down for a
second.
But then even when I'm sittingdown, I'm like, I feel like
there's something I'm supposedto be doing.
Like, you know, I'm looking forstuff to do.
But I hear you saying that thatis that in itself is a symptom
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of a nervous system deep beingderegulated.
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (25:59):
Cause you know, because you know what it is,
know what you're doing?
You avoided sitting down withyourself.
That's what you're avoiding.
You avoiding sitting down withyourself with nothing to occupy
your mind.
SPEAKER_01 (26:09):
Sir, leave me alone.
Please leave me, please leave mealone.
Please get out my business.
Hey, look, I'm just I'm justtalking one traveler to another.
SPEAKER_00 (26:21):
I'm just telling you when I when I figured out about
me.
Because like it's a man, look,what probably wasn't the past
eight months or a year, I'velearned how to really just to
rest.
Like some days I get home fromwork and I just go to sleep.
I mean, I don't know.
I'm grown, you can't whoop me.
SPEAKER_01 (26:40):
Right.
The rest was so important thatGod gave him a command on the
room.
Right.
It was not a suggestion.
No, it was a suggestion.
It was a command.
It was one of the big 10.
unknown (26:54):
It was right up there with don't be making no idols.
SPEAKER_01 (26:56):
Wow.
And so you need to rest.
unknown (27:00):
And Jesus said it like that.
SPEAKER_00 (27:02):
He said, look, he said, man was not made for the
Sabbath, but Sabbath was madefor man.
God knew we were gonna need it.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (27:09):
Because he knew if he left us out on the vices,
we're gonna work ourselves intothe ground.
That's true.
And you know what?
I tell people, even when I'm,you know, talking to people
about rest, I always say, Rustis not something that you have
to earn.
It's a birthright.
And another thing I don't wantto forget about is self-care.
Is what?
(27:30):
Self-care.
Self-care.
SPEAKER_00 (27:31):
You gotta love you.
The Bible says this, it says tolove your neighbor as yourself.
You can't love your neighbor asyourself if you don't love
yourself first.
SPEAKER_02 (27:40):
It takes it for granted that you're gonna love
you.
SPEAKER_01 (27:44):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (27:44):
So love your neighbor as yourself.
SPEAKER_01 (27:47):
Wow.
unknown (27:48):
But you got to love you first.
SPEAKER_01 (27:49):
You know, that's so deep because in church spaces,
we use certain scriptureswithout really kind of like
going into context and reallydigging, you know, digging
through those.
Like you said, it does say loveyour neighbor as yourself.
The origin is you lovingyourself first.
And from you first.
Right.
And from loving you first, thenyou can pour love into someone
(28:12):
else, right?
SPEAKER_00 (28:13):
Yeah, you can't you cannot pour water from an empty
kitchen.
Okay, how hard you try it, ain'tgonna work.
I got to love you.
SPEAKER_01 (28:23):
Because we talked about, you know, how sometimes
in certain communities,especially in our church, trauma
is is now becoming somethingthat we are maybe becoming a
little bit more comfortable withtalking about and sharing.
Um I know in times past it wassomething that was swept under
the rug.
You know, we I grew up in one ofthose households that subscribe
(28:46):
to the model, what happens inthis house stays in this house,
right?
And then you grow up learning tosuppress.
And then when you come to thechurch, especially depending on
the type of church you go to,maybe you might go to a
deliverance church or whateverhave you, but you you come to
church and now you've learnedfrom all those years to wear a
mask, right?
(29:06):
And you're suffering in silence,you're going through the
motions, you're trying toworship God, you're trying to be
free, all the while your heartis broken, your mind is
disre-regulated, and thensometimes the church, depending
on how open-minded, you know,that they are, they can um also
uh further further woundindividuals because they're not
(29:28):
trauma-informed, right?
They don't they're not informedon how to deal with trauma, how
to talk about it, to how to evengive space to it.
I've even been in certainchurches where I've heard them
demonize trauma, you know, andto a to ascribe a demon to
everything.
And don't get me wrong.
unknown (29:47):
Everything's a demon.
Everything is a spirit.
Oh, they got the spirit.
No, they don't.
SPEAKER_01 (29:52):
That is not a spirit.
Right.
Perhaps they've beentraumatized, they might have
been abused, and maybe they'remaybe they're struggling with a
mental health issue.
SPEAKER_00 (30:00):
We need to figure out why they act the way they
act.
When Jesus talks about notjudging, I said, the reason why
he says for us not to judge,because there's always at least
one more factor about a person'slife that you have no idea
about.
You might think you knoweverything about this person,
why they the way they are,because of this, this, and this.
But there is one thing thatperson ain't never told you that
(30:22):
they're going through, thatthey're dealing with, that
determines why they act the waythey act.
We're not to judge, but we don'tknow everything about.
SPEAKER_01 (30:29):
Right.
That makes me think of um thelady who was caught in adultery,
right?
The Bible says that, you know,the the they they came to Jesus
like, yo, we call her an act,right?
She was in, she was doing thedo, right?
Um and first of all, like if youcall her an act, that means she
was with somebody else.
What about old dude?
But uh when they when they cometo Jesus and he bends down in
(30:53):
the dirt and he's like, Yeah, Idon't really can I don't condemn
you, you know, go and sin nomore.
I always think about what hashappened or what possibly what
happened in her life to get herto that point where she was in
that adulterous affair orwhatever the case may be.
Um I always think I I I like tothink that perhaps maybe one of
(31:13):
the reasons that Jesus didn'tjudge her and gave her an
opportunity to repent and torestore and restored her was
because he knew what happened inher past, right?
He knew what she had beenthrough, he knew what she had
experienced, he knew how she gotwhere she was, right?
Uh and so I love that about Godbecause he'll, you know, he
he'll see that you know, you youmight you have um have these
(31:35):
behaviors or even thesetendencies or propensities to
sin.
Like we all do.
We have these propensities tosin because it's in our nature.
Um, but sometimes it is becauseof things that we have
experienced, right?
Like you think about people whoare uh who suffer with
addiction, you know, sometimesthey're just looking for a way
to numb that pain, you know, todeal with the voids that they
(31:58):
have.
And and I think that's like yousaid, sometimes it's important
for us even in the church to becareful, you know, of how we're
dealing with those people.
And and speaking of which, whatdo you think that the what what
role um does communities orspiritual mentorship, what role
does it play in supporting thisprocess of healing and and um uh
(32:19):
nervous system regulation?
Like what what role do we playin that as a church?
SPEAKER_00 (32:24):
Well, like I said earlier, none of us is in this
by ourselves.
We're all in this together.
Yeah.
And I'm glad you brought up thewoman that was caught in the in
adultery.
Because notice what Jesus did.
SPEAKER_02 (32:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (32:38):
He said, Neither do I condemn you.
unknown (32:41):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (32:42):
Don't go and sin no more.
SPEAKER_02 (32:43):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (32:43):
You know what that did?
That freed her.
That freed her because yeah,they done said they done caught
me in the very act.
SPEAKER_02 (32:50):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (32:50):
And I know I'm supposed to get stoned.
SPEAKER_02 (32:52):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (32:53):
You know what?
I don't condemn you.
I'm not gonna judge you by theact that you do.
And I think for us as a church,the biggest thing we could do is
first of all, is stop condemningfolks.
Wow.
Their behaviors is differentthan your behavior, you got a
behavior too.
(33:14):
But since your behavior isacceptable and their behavior in
society ain't acceptable, orjust in your group ain't
acceptable.
Right.
You want to condemn them, butyours is like, no, that ain't
how that works.
First, don't condemn.
unknown (33:27):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (33:28):
Then have space for them to share if they want to
share.
unknown (33:33):
You know what I'm saying?
Some people don't want to talkabout what they've been doing.
SPEAKER_02 (33:37):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (33:38):
But the space needs to be there for them to do.
And some need to talk about it.
They feel like they have to getit out.
There'd be space for them to dowithout judgment.
SPEAKER_02 (33:46):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_00 (33:47):
Because our whole point as a church is to build up
the body.
And if one part is hurting,everybody hurts.
SPEAKER_01 (33:54):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (33:55):
So if if my toe hurts, this is what I'm gonna
do.
I'm gonna see about it.
I'm gonna see what's wrong withit, I'm gonna see how to fix it.
SPEAKER_01 (34:01):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (34:02):
I ain't finna tip and holler at my toe.
SPEAKER_01 (34:04):
Talking about some why is you hurting?
Right.
Let's figure out what theproblem is.
I'm gonna figure out what theproblem is.
SPEAKER_00 (34:10):
See how we can alleviate this problem, and then
I'm gonna help protect you fromthis problem in the future.
SPEAKER_02 (34:16):
Wow.
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (34:18):
And I think having a community that's open like that,
it helps with that regulation ofyour nervous system.
What it does is it allows yournervous system to know that I
don't have to protect me bymyself.
The job ain't totally mine.
There are other people that loveme and care about me that are
gonna share in the job ofprotecting me.
(34:39):
So I don't have to do it on myown.
So every time something comes, Igotta automatically jump so I'm
gonna build this wall up.
SPEAKER_03 (34:44):
Because there are people in my community who
already looking out for me.
SPEAKER_00 (34:48):
That's what the Bible tells us that the strong
should bear the infirmity of theweak.
I mean, I don't know what wethink that means.
SPEAKER_01 (34:54):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (34:55):
But that means when my brother or sister is going
through some things that theyjust can't make it and they
having problems or issues fromsome past trauma or whatever
they're going through, guesswhat?
I'm there to hold up thestandard.
SPEAKER_01 (35:06):
See, I think that um God is really trying to do
something um with people whohave gone through traumatic
experiences.
He really wants to heal people,and I think that we often negate
the trauma is all throughout theBible.
You know, I mean, there's traumaall throughout the Bible, and I
think sometimes we have atendency to only like check out
(35:26):
the highlight reels, check outthe victories, check out the you
know, the breakthroughs and thedeliver the the deliverances.
But we read stories all in theBible, like when Tamar was
raped, and when, you know, whenJob lost his kid.
But it just goes to show that wewe experience things in life
that sometimes, you know, wereally don't have an
understanding as to why on thisside of heaven, and that even in
(35:50):
those experiences that aretraumatic or that are
devastating, where we areexperiencing such loss and such
grief, God is able to deliverand to be with us in it.
Sometimes it don't make sense,right?
Sometimes it doesn't.
And you know what?
I think about I think anotherthing that makes me, you know,
want to pray and intercede isbecause I think in our efforts
(36:11):
to kind of like provide ananswer instead of saying, you
know, I don't know, I don'tknow, I don't know why, I don't
understand, I'm just gonnacontinue to pray and be here for
you.
I think even sometimes wemistakenly misuse scriptures,
you know, for that.
I've heard people say, you know,you know, he works all things
out for the good, you know, andwhich he does.
But in this particularsituation, I don't know if this
(36:34):
is good yet.
I don't know how this is gonnawork out.
I don't even know how I'm gonnasee my way out of, you know what
I mean?
I ain't got to the good part.
Right.
I ain't to the good part, yeah.
He's still working that part.
SPEAKER_03 (36:44):
We still we still in the all things part.
SPEAKER_01 (36:46):
Yeah, we still know all things, right?
SPEAKER_00 (36:49):
Right.
We know all things.
I think we do.
We'll we take scripture and trybecause a lot of times, not only
are we trying to get a personthat's going through answers,
we're trying to figure outanswers for ourselves.
SPEAKER_01 (37:06):
Well, Larry, it has been so beneficial.
These types of messages arecertainly needed in the body of
Christ.
I mean, in the world at large,but people need to need to hear,
you know, how uh trauma affectsour nervous system, how we can
be deregulated.
And I think we we have to havethese conversations about the
(37:28):
things we have experienced andthe things that God is still
bringing us through.
I think we we have to have theseconversations about the things
we have experienced and thethings that God is still
bringing us through so that wecan understand that we're still
being delivered, right?
And perhaps if you give me thistime and space to talk about the
(37:52):
things I've been through and howthey have affected me, we can we
can come to that point where youknow you know what we need to
pray for, what we need to gofor, how you can be of service
to me and me to you.
Um, and I think I feel likethat's what God wants to do
right now.
I think He's awakening peoplewho have had traumatic
experiences, who are beingdelivered, who are coming coming
(38:12):
out of certain things, and he'sgiving allowing them to have
voice to speak to those thingsthat we've gone through.
I feel like God is like, youknow, now's the time where I got
if I'm gonna heal my people, Igotta start with the root.
You know what I mean?
I gotta start not just with thesymptoms.
Because I think sometimes wewant to deal with the symptoms,
you know, but we gotta deal withthe root of the issue.
Well, again, like I said, it'sbeen a pleasure.
(38:32):
I so appreciate your voice.
I so appreciate the content thatyou shared when I came across it
that day.
I was like, now wait a minute.
I I love it.
I'm so attracted to when I hearpeople say, talk about it in
that way, especially when youhave those the biblical base and
you have scripture to back itup, that uh that does something
for me because as a Christian,obviously who've been through
(38:53):
certain traumas, I'm looking forthe word of God.
How can the word of God see meout of this situation?
How can I relate my traumaticexperiences back to the word of
God?
You know what I mean?
Because when I first realizedthat there was such a deep need
to heal from the trauma I hadbeen through, I was like in the
Bible, like, well, I wanted tofind myself in the Bible.
Where is the person that hasbeen through what I've been
(39:15):
through and has been affected byit the way that I have, you
know, and so I'm constantly on asearch for scripture and stories
that I can identify and relateto.
So thank you again so much forsharing what you shared on your
platform.
Tell us where we can find you ifwe, you know, want to look into
your content or even you knowspeak with to you about some of
the things you shared with metoday.
(39:36):
Where can we find you?
SPEAKER_00 (39:37):
My TikTok is uh the self-care shop.
Um shop is s-h-o-p-p-e.
Uh let's see, I am on YouTube.
unknown (39:46):
I don't post a lot on YouTube, but I'm on YouTube.
SPEAKER_00 (39:47):
They people don't start making me post on that.
I'm on YouTube.
Uh, my handle is Larry Hooks888.
SPEAKER_02 (39:54):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (39:55):
Email address Larryhooks04 at gmail.com.
If you want to just reach out,like you have questions or
anything.
I got a uh I got a free ebookthat I'm giving out to people
that's uh subscribe by email.
It's called uh Love Story.
It's kind of uh uh just a shortlittle guide about you know
loving your starting to loveyourself again.
Sign up like through my TikTokthrough the um email
(40:17):
subscription I'm sending.
I was sending that out to them.
SPEAKER_01 (40:20):
So awesome, awesome.
Well, keep doing what you'redoing.
Like I said, it caught myattention and I was like, now
wait a minute.
So we got to talk about thisthing.
So keep doing what you're doing,um, being a uh definitely a
service to the body of Christand to those who are in no hip
in their healing process.
We appreciate you.
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