June 10, 2025 • 44 mins
S3 E20 - Jordan Doll - Supernatural - Born in Scotland into a family who was into midlands, UK folk magic. Jordon is a comedian, artist, writer and Ghost Storyteller. Is spirituality a post-traumatic gift? Listen to Jordan's podcast: https://www.werewolfradar.com/
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You're listening to Trauma D, the podcast that helps you take
your pain and play with it. I'm Nancy Norton, I'm a
comedian, I worked many years asa nurse.
I do keynote presentations aboutthe power of humor, how it helps
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on my website, nancynorton.tvthats.tv.
Like television. This episode we have a a
wonderful comedian. He's he's a comedian, he's an
artist. He's into the supernatural
stuff. I'm into the supernatural stuff.
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This episode's a little bit Woo woo deals with like post
traumatic gifts around spirituality and also comedy.
It was, it was wild because it was very strange because you
came up to me and we both know that we're both spooky kind of
people. And your first question to me
was, do you have any new ghost stories?
And I was like, no way, because it had just happened.
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I think he's one of the funniestpeople I've been around in a
long time. He just makes my giggle.
He tickles my whimsy. So enjoy this episode and I'll
see you on the other side. Welcome to traumedy.
My guest this week is a comediancreator, a ghost hunter.
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Please welcome Jordan Doll, everybody.
Jordan Doll. My thank you so much for having
me. And we're in the middle of a
conversation and I'm like, I gotto introduce you because I, I
knew it would be like this. I got to tell you I I was so
excited for this conversation because we just were together
223 nights ago at the Denver Comedy Underground and I don't
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remember anything from the night.
But your story, like that's whatsticks with me.
And your goosebumps, the goosebumps on your arm were the
I have never felt more prickly goosebumps in my life like.
It was, it was wild because it was very strange because you
came up to me and we both know that we're both spooky kind of
people. And your first question to me
was, do you have any new ghost stories?
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And I was like, no, wait, I'm dude.
Because it had just happened andI'm going to tell it.
Should I tell? It yes, please, yes, we're let's
start there because I don't knowwhy this is where I live right
now. I think because of my age.
Also there's something like my bones are getting so thin.
You know that I'm communing withthe ethers.
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I don't know. Get getting that good, that good
radiation from the cosmos. That's it.
Yeah, there's nothing blocking it.
Yeah, OK, so this is this is theghost story that I told you the
other night, and I apologize to your listeners.
It's, you know, don't get your hopes up.
There's no zombies, no, no pot, no jump scares in this one.
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But it was significant enough that I told, I told Nancy the
other day at a comedy show, I actually pulled you and Christy
Buckley aside to be like, you guys have to hear this.
And again, how this ties into traumedy, just so people know is
I do believe in post traumatic gifts and one of those I think
is spiritual. I don't understand it spiritual
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communication. I'm going to say I'm I'm very
woo woo and people don't like woo woo.
They probably don't like traumedy because it's every
episode almost. There's something about.
I very much dig that because I mean, there is, you know, we'll
get into it post traumatic giftsanyway.
And it was still, you know, it only happened a few days before
and it was significant enough that it gave me massive
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goosebumps. I have them right now in my
mouth. So what had happened was we're
going through some tough times with the family and stuff.
I won't get into it. But like, I was, I was sitting
there, I was cutting up some some carrots to make a pot roast
and I couldn't find a peeler. And so it was just me and I was
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cooking for me and my mom. And I started like trying to do
that thing where you peel a carrot with like a steak knife.
That fool's errand. Trying to make the thinnest
little slice with the with whatever those knives were that
used to be on the TV commercialswhere it's like have.
A Ginsu. Yeah, cut your steak so thin the
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relatives will never come back. And I started like as I was
doing it, I started thinking about, you know, family who had
passed and people who I wished was here just during a tough
time, you know, peaks and valleys kind of thing.
And like, I wonder what they would say.
I wish. And I remember I was having the
thought it was like it, it was like, I wish one of those, you
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know, spirits would show up and and kind of help us out in this
moment. And in my in that moment, for
some reason, I had this weird, Ilike rethought it.
And I was like, maybe it doesn'twork like that.
Maybe me just thinking about those people who have passed
right now is them coming to helpin some way.
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And you know, like people like my Auntie Rose and Grandma Doris
are still here because I remember them.
And as I thought of my grandma'sname, the knife flipped around
in my hand and I started scraping the peels off.
Never done that in my life. And on those response.
As I was doing it, I realized that that is where I got it
from. That's I saw my grandma do it
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and there they there they are. Testify I could feel them
through the camera it. Was like it it you know, it's,
it is at once a testament to kind of the power of the human
mind and psychology and how we tap into that thing and, you
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know, generational kind of learning and memory and and at
the same time, it's a testament to a spiritual connection, the
immateriality of things. And maybe that's exactly what it
is. Maybe it's maybe it is our
psychology is part of whatever the spirit weave is.
I don't know. I don't know either.
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It makes sense to me though, those, those and one of my
guests called them truth chills.And now I really pay attention
when I get truth chills. I'm like, OK.
And I've had them several times with guests when they share a
story like that. And I don't know if you're, I
don't have them at this moment, but it might because you're not
in the same room. A lot of times we're in the same
room. I know it's dorky, but every
zero birthday I try to do something kind of experientially
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significant. So on my 40th birthday I did a
past life regression. I don't know.
Have you ever done one of those?No, I'm too afraid.
Oh, really? OK.
I fear it as much as I love it. I fear it.
You're afraid to see what you what you did in your past life
or or just afraid to lose touch,lose touch.
I'm. Just an anxious guy in general.
OK, that's OK, that's fair. Well, I had a a neighbor so I
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totally trusted my neighbor Patricia Raycraft who has since
moved on and she you talk about some post traumatic gifts.
That woman had polio, so she's like 20 years older than me, You
know, of that generation before the vaccine.
Wow. She was something else and funny
and just, Oh my God. Anyway, so she was a
hypnotherapist and she did this past life regression and got
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people over phobias in one session.
Like, she was amazing. And I mean, this is what she
told me. So I do believe her, but I found
her quite believable. Yeah.
So I went to her on my 40th birthday.
I spent the weekend with her in Crested Butte where she was
living. And I did a past life
regression. I didn't have a phobia, but I
said I just feel. So I anxious all the time.
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And just also there's just this something with my mom, I don't
quite understand it. Like point is, I just was
working on general anxiety and dis ease, you know, like so, so
anyway, we walked because we're going to walk into a past life
that is significant and helpful to you at this time.
And so we, it was the most I wasa typesetter for the New York
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Herald. I know it was.
So I saw it very clearly. I saw this huge plate.
I didn't know how all this worked.
I've looked it up since and I I was in front of this plate doing
these like layout for the New York Herald and I didn't even I
thought it that sounded to me like I was making it up, She
said. It's going to feel like you're
making it up. Just let yourself make it up
whenever it comes. And and the New York Herald
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sounds like a cartoon newspaper.Ding Ding Ling.
Newark, you. Know.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Just I was like and again this.
Up to Jimmy so he can get it over to Superman ASAP.
Yeah, anyway, we walked into this past life.
But the coolest part of it was and it it gave me peace around
my mom because in that past life, my God, I was sobbing.
My dad was killed by Indians andMontana and my mom and I were
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had to get, you know, sell all our stuff at the general store
in town and take a Stagecoach back to the East Coast so we
wouldn't get killed by Indians. And it was the, IT was very
detailed and then. You guys went on the on the
voyage. We did and then the But the best
part then was when I died. So she kept going me.
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She kept pushing me forward. 10 years, 10 years, 10 years.
And then, but it did help me 'cause I was so close with that
mom. And I mean, we just, I mean, it
was a great mother child bond. And that helped me understand,
oh, no wonder this lifetime is not like that.
And it just feels so wrong, right, right.
And anyway, but the point of this all really is that I died
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at 80 years old, really peacefulin my sleep under a window.
I could see the curtain kind of blowing over my head.
And when I died, I turned into aribbon of light and, and, and
there was no missing anyone, anybody, whoever wanted to
connect with me. They just pointed their mind and
we were together. And it's like our, our, our
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ribbons of light would swirl. And I got now I have goosebumps.
And then it was just that. So, So when you said that, I
thought that's exactly what the message was to me in my, in my
past life regression, when I went in between lives and it was
just a ribbon of light and therewas no sense of missing anyone
because you could instantly be together at any second, you just
say. And so I talked to my grandma a
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lot and, and then my, I have a lot of, I feel like my, my
relatives will push animals my way, like Hawks and squirrels
and big time, dude, you get a lot of hawk signs.
I get a lot of Hawks, I get a lot of birds, my dad gets a lot
of owls. But yes, all of this absolutely
is stuff that I have, you know, been very slowly over my life
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kind of because I was always like, you know, oh, I want to, I
want to see a, a Bigfoot, I wantto see an alien.
I want to see a full floating free vapor or whatever.
And, and I always thought that it didn't really happen to me,
but the longer I live, the more I'm like, it's kind of happening
all the time. Yes, it is happening all the
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time and once you start seeing it, you just see more and more.
And then when you start listening, because that's the
other piece of it to me is it might just be it might just be
for the fun of seeing somebody or that sense of that's my
spirit sign. But for me it comes with like a
hawk will come as an affirmation.
And it it, it is. It's like, and it's hard to talk
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to people who aren't woo woo about it because they
immediately their crackpot alarmgoes off.
And no, and I'm not saying I'm not, that both can't be true.
You know, I yes, I am a crackpot.
And absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
Both can be true. But it's like, it, it, it is, it
is the more I see it and the more I see kind of other
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people's experiences. And OK, so like the hawk thing,
like, sure, maybe that's just pattern recognition.
But even then, so like, I'm going to, I'm going to backtrack
and then come back to this idea.Tarot, tarot reading, right?
I I'm not a big kind of tarot astrology fortune telling my
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grand and my grandmother was sheread tea leaves, you know, and.
Oh, I didn't know this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Wow, this is in your family. Well, that's the thing.
And it's like, and so I've neverreally been a big a big
proponent of that. However, I do see how like, like
a tarot reading can be somethingthat is very useful for helping
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you to confront things that you might not otherwise, you know,
like it like as, as like a, a kind of personal exploration
tool. If somebody puts down a card
that tells me that I'm, I'm not being fully truthful with
myself, I'm going to go, you know what, you're right.
It's about this. And I know, I know what it's
about because, because I've decided that's what it what it's
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about. I know what this, you know,
Pentacle means to me because. Because my mind is part of it.
I'm rambling. Now, no, no, I'm but it's I
think I'm getting it like the interconnectedness of the your
interpretation plus. Is it your interpretation is
part of it is what I'm saying isit's all kind of like in the
oneness. The reason I say that is because
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of the hawk thing I've found. And we live in Colorado, so we
see a lot of Hawks in general. But I did find that they they
quite often would show up when Iwas, you know, pensive, thinking
about something, thinking about how to solve a problem, how to
do this. And I would all of a sudden have
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like a new idea. And I'd be like, maybe that's
the way to solve it. And I would see a hawk.
And to me, I would be like, So what does the hawk mean to you?
And to me, it's like, you know, speed, flying, eating a mouse,
but also perception is the big 1is what I think of yes, eat
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things. They can spot things the.
Eagle. The eagle eye view.
The hawk. Yeah, Hawkeye, I mean.
Which way to go? So to me, like now I always
think, you know, the universe speaks if we have butt ears to
listen. And that is my interpretation of
that. So now it's kind of this thing,
and it's like, did I do it or did I just notice it?
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Yeah, we yeah, we're very much on a similar goofball spooky
vibe. Yeah, I think, and I think we
channel muses. Here's my new theory.
Now some of you are I I just don't think I'm that funny.
I think I just channel muses. Nobody who's actually like a a
genuinely funny person is going to come up and be like, I'm
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really funny. Except times they do though.
And then they're like, they are funny and you hate it.
You're like. Yeah, Yeah, I guess occasionally
I will say, occasionally I'll say I kind of know what I'm
doing. Like as far as, you know, my
little skill sets that I've built over the 40 years of doing
stand up. I'm, I will say I kind of know
some of the variables that stackup and work.
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But mostly I have been saying, Ithink I just channel muses
thanks to trauma. All right, well, can I just say
this one thing about the hawk and the mouse, please?
The day I had this mouse infestation at my house out in
Lafayette here in Colorado. And it was, I can't kill stuff
like I can't. And I was relocating my it was
wearing me out, man. I was re.
I was literally driving. My son's going to have to do
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therapy about this because we would make runs do this.
I mean, I built a fairy house inthe woods 6 miles from my house.
Yes. And we would make runs with mice
and then I would drop him off gerbil food.
I dropped gerbil food off for him once a week in the winter
because I read they got to have food anyway.
I'm insane that way. And I was like, and I felt like
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my mother had not had just died and she sent the mice to help
tell me like, I need to clean myhouse.
Anyway, point is, I call, I was,I was desperate for like I
called some sort of ethical mouse mitigation company where I
was like, how can I, can you help me?
And then at the end of the call he goes, well, basically you
really just need to poison him. And I said it's.
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Not. I said I'm not going to poison
mice. I'm pretty sure it poisons
everything in the food chain. Poison is poison is your ethical
answer. It was a bait and switch ad man
and so it would be. More ethical to get on your
hands and knees and kill them each with a hammer.
It really would actually. And my, my, I didn't mind my dog
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killing them for some reason theway she killed them.
Look, that's nature. Yeah, I, I, I But anyway, right
after that phone call, there wasa part of me toying with it
because I was so exhausted. Like, he's telling me it's the
right way. And I'm like, I don't believe
that I'm worried about. And I swear to God, I walked to
the little lake near my house and right then a hawk came in,
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picked up a mouse and like rightin front of me that and I'd
never seen it before since I've never seen a hawk get a mouse in
front of me. And I was like, OK, I got you.
I'm not going to poison the miceand poison you.
Because then I read all these articles how the owl, all of the
owls in Canada have have that poison in their livers.
And there's so many, it's killing so many animals when you
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poison. Anyway, I got you.
Know those Canadian owls are thenicest lungs too?
It's OK, we'll eat the poison ones.
We don't mind. Yeah, that's why, dude.
What happened? What did you do?
What happened to the mice? I called a guy named Jack Murphy
who is available. I could give you his contact if
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anybody. He came and sealed the holes in
my house and and then also, yeah, that was it.
And I. I called a guy named Jack
Murphy. And then I and I put all of the
things that mice might eat in bins, like, tried to make it
less appealing. But I did have, you know, when
you have a dog and dog food, it's kind of rough.
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
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Anyway, kids, OK, way off subject so many times I don't
know if there is, but post traumatic gifts, let's get to
know you just a little bit if you don't mind.
I mean, we're knowing you through your humor and your but
what is your background? Did you?
Where did you grow? Up I was born in Aberdeen,
Scotland, and I, yeah, I lived there until I was about 10 years
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old. My dad wasn't, my dad is,
wasn't, is an oil man. That's not true.
He's retired at this point. But the whole N seas area is
big, big oil country and my, thetown of Aberdeen is kind of also
that's the industry there. So my parents met there.
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My mom's from Newcastle. He's American.
I was born there. They got divorced when I was 6.
We moved to the United States tobe closer to my maternal
grandparents after no, sorry, mypaternal grandparents after my
maternal grandmother died at like 6460, three-way too young.
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And that's that's Doris. And.
Oh, that's Doris. Yes, you would.
And you were just a a wee lad. I don't know.
Now I want to. She was and we were like really
close to it was a big, it was like it was the the catalyst for
us moving to America. She was kind of our our
connection in the city and we would spend days with her and it
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really. That was the that was the first
trauma for sure. Maybe my parents getting
divorced but. That's a big trauma.
And then wait. So wait, you were in Scotland
and then your mother is Newcastle in England?
Newcastle is on the border. They it's in the Midlands is
what they call it. And they, they, they call
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themselves Jodies. They all talk like this.
It's a cow. So you have that ear.
You. You.
You were. Sometimes that that was that was
pretty bad, but thank you. I mean, you could fool me.
I I'm from the Ozarks. I was just thinking, I was like,
God, I hope nobody who's actually a Jordy hears me
talking like this. They'll they'll drag me, but
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they're kind of Scottish and English.
That's Newcastle. That's where most of the woo woo
comes from. My grandma.
Was she? She read tea leaves like
grandma. Doris.
Yes. And she, that whole kind of side
of the family has a connection to that sort of Midlands, UK
folk magic. There's little things that they
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would do. They never really taught me any
of it. It was very hush hush, but.
But you felt, but you felt a powerful connection with Doris
and did you I, you know, my grandmother is who passed
whatever this spark was to me that I never had with anyone
else. And but she laughed.
She was so she had one of the biggest traumas I've ever heard,
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you know, like, but yet she was she was laughing all a lot and
silly, very silly. Truly was Doris like that?
Oh yeah, she would do karate with us.
I remember this was in the 80s when we were for some reason
training all of the children of the world to be proficient in
karate. And, and we would like I say, we
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spent a lot of time with her. She was kind of our a full time
babysitter when my mom was, you know, out single mom in it in
the 1980s and 90s trying to keepfood on the table.
Anyway. And your mom.
You stayed with your mom after the divorce.
Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because my dad worked offshore
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in Saudi Arabia and she, she wasvery silly.
We would, you know, all of the all the movies I remember
watching, going to grandma's house was always like a night
where we were going to get fish and chips and we were going to
watch like some kind of Americanfilm on telly that probably
wasn't supposed to watch. And.
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Little naughty, she'd let you doa little naughty.
Things like that. They're still slightly taboo.
And then karate. And she herself was quite, quite
naughty with her sweets because she had diabetes, but she would
sneak sweets. And my mom loves to tell a story
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about my mom loves to tell a story about giving her mother
money for watching the kids and to take the bus home up the
hill. And she looked out and she saw
Doris standing at the bus stop, and then she walked away.
And then she looked out again and she saw her walking up the
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hill, and she'd been walking allthe way home and just keeping
the money. For sweets.
For sweets for the kids. I love her.
God, I love her. I'm so glad you had her.
I mean, what a different life, right?
What a different life without Doris.
Can you? It would just be totally
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different experience. And like, you know, she, her,
she had her own trauma. She was divorced in the in the
50s or the 40s, which was just not something that was done
really. She lived through the World War
2. And you know, if she got
divorced in the 40s or 50s, it was bad.
You don't leave your husband unless you just like, it was
almost probably a survival thing.
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Who knows? Yeah.
You don't just leave because ourlove language is different, you
know? So I haven't really ever been
given the full story. It's not really something that
was talked about a lot. My mom's side of the family has
a lot of kind of half brothers and siblings and stuff like
that. And and a little bit of a a
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little bit of kind of like that that northern UK sort of
traveling people blood in there,the the kind of caravan gypsy
folk. Oh, interesting.
Particularly her her half brother, his dad was was AI
can't remember the name. It's not it's not Pikey, but
it's like that. But and a little bit of that
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kind of woo woo comes from theretoo.
Anyway, moved over to the UnitedStates to be close to my
paternal grandparents and you know, kind of moved away from
sort of the spirituality of it, which I mean, my, my
grandparents, my dad's parents were like religious in a go to
Episcopalian service once in a while kind of way.
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And like have Bible quotes on the wall because that's what you
did at the time. But we never like, we were never
like super religious. And it wasn't until much later
that I kind of like, you know, like I say now that I'm sort of
trying to pay attention to more things and sort of read these
little signs about myself and pay attention to my own psyche
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and how it, you know, how it's all sort of connected.
I'm kind of reconnecting with this, this, you would call it a
spiritual side, but it's, it's not necessarily I'm not.
Religious. Yeah, it's separate.
It is, yeah, sort of a personal experience.
Well, and like the the the more you kind of start to pay
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attention to it, the more you see that it's like you get these
little hints as to what it is after all, you know, even
without the dogma of it, as you go on your own kind of journey.
And you know, if you if you sortof kind of hate saying journey,
I'm sorry I said that you. I don't mind journey.
You have these little moments that awaken you to, you know,
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the possibility that there's more out there.
It becomes your own kind of, youknow, sure not doesn't have the
strongest bedrock, but you do get hints and you can make your
own little system of beliefs that doesn't necessarily need to
line up with the big book. Yeah.
And I think that if you enjoy sort of the subtleties of life
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in general, you know, like in comedy, I love the little
whimsical, like tickling of the funnies versus the like, I'm
here's I'm gonna and I do both. Don't I'm I'm not.
I mean, I hate to admit I've I came up in the in the 90s as I
still kind of have the old 90s, you know, let's do the setup
punchline. Uh oh, this just in.
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Do you need to take a call? Sorry, yeah, I got AI just got a
call from my. Do we need to pause like?
Can we pause for a second? OK, this was perfect because I
wanted to play this clip and while Jordan's on the phone,
he's got to take a phone call. I'm going to play this clip
about him talking about being onthe phone too much.
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It's such a great bit. I'm on my phone way too much.
I'm on my phone right now. That's how good I am.
All cheeks, baby. I feel like our phones are
turning us all into like like little Princess like just little
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luxury addicts. Like at any point during the day
I can be like I grow tired of mythoughts and feelings and
friends and family bring me the phone.
I wish to see a goose who is best friends with a goat.
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Look at that. They're so happy and now I grow
tired of their friendship. Make them fight for me.
And then it's off to TikTok to see the world's tallest teen do
a humiliating dance. And now I wish to peruse women
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for I would have an erection. Wrong wrong, wrong.
You do now. I'm tired of you.
Let's get that goat back in herenow you 2 fight.
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I love that bit so much anyway. I'm AI, can't tell it anymore.
Somebody. Somebody ruined it for me.
Somebody ruined it. Yeah, they said.
They said that the voice that I did was too close to a voice
that they did. What, Are you serious?
Yeah. Somebody ruined it for you and
you. It's OK, I think it was.
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And I, it was kind of one of those things where at the end of
the day it was like, I'd rather have this friendship than this
joke. So.
You could. I mean, I think there's another
voice you could do too. I agree.
And I've, I've been trying to doit with a like a Prussian, like
a little Prussian Prince. And it's like a little kind of
(29:37):
Russian or, or German boy. Yes, kind of some somebody from
Willy Wonka that's untitled. Yeah.
It's weird because I've had thisthought like we all think we
should live like kings now, and I've never had that.
I've never come up with as funnya thing about it.
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So I just loved it so much. I just stumbled on it to because
honestly, I haven't seen your comedy that much because you
came up when I was in Nepal, youknow, and then I was out of the
scene on the. Scene when you were off the
scene and then I was off the scene and you came back and
crushed, crushed everyone. Yeah, right.
But I mean just I haven't, I've missed you, I've not been able
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to see you and then. I've missed me too.
Give yourself a butterfly hug. Also, I see crutches behind you.
So I was I was going to ask you,should I be concerned about the
crutches? No, no, no, those are just,
those are pre emptive crutches. I like to keep them brown.
It's a pretty wacky situation over here.
I'm usually slipping on banana. Peels and getting.
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Paint cans in the face. It's a real.
It's a real home alone, too. Well, back to the listening to
the subtle, but also I think I was just talking about subtle
humor. I I mean, and not always subtle,
but just sort of, you know, in that kind of ethereal like I
love jokes that you're like, they just tickle my whimsy and
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it's not like in an obvious way,like I don't know why, but I'm
delighted by this humor. I mean, I sometimes I know why,
but anyway, when you found out, like if there's any link, this
is part of the podcast is to help people take their pain and
play with it. Were you aware at any point in
like your development or when you realize you use humor as
(31:26):
kind of a resource to help get through stuff?
Oh, sure. Oh yeah, absolutely.
I mean, like, jeez, I it, it's still something that I'm
untangling, but it like very early on it became clear to me
that it was like I'm, I'm, I'm just a little kind of to the
(31:50):
side of everyone else. I'm not like some, I'm not some
mysterious intriguing character.I'm just, you know, I'm a
weirdo. I was a weird kid.
I, I didn't like sports. I didn't like, you know, one of
those kids re playing video games, jumping rope when
everybody else is talking about football or whatever.
And. And did you like talking
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paranormal? I used to do this at this was my
thing at slumber parties every, all the girls wanted to talk
about boys. Of course, you know, I was a
tomboy, but also I, I just wanted to talk about this
paranormal stuff. We would tell lots of ghost
stories in the family. Like I say, we you know a lot of
arched eyebrows when something you know what that is kind.
(32:32):
Of thing, but also humor. Yes, yes, very much so.
And that kind of sort of, you know, early on the humor, I sort
of realized like that's what I had to defuse because I am
terrified of confrontation. And so like when when something
comes up, that's what I got. That's what I have to add to the
(32:53):
situation. So even from when I was like, I
think it was really in like middle school where it was like
to not get picked on also was a was and am a fat guy and to not
get picked on. It was like, you know, you got
a, a couple of a couple of directions.
You can go as a fat guy, you could try to be scary or you can
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be pretty funny. And so I went for that one.
Yeah, and then that. But your and your humor's so
absurdist and it's, yeah, I don't know.
How do you describe? How do you describe?
Do you describe your humor? I always find that difficult
myself. I don't know.
Yeah, people have have said absurdist to me and it's, you
know, I, I, I generally try not to.
I'm just I I'm bad at putting we.
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Don't need to. We don't need to label it.
Yeah, yeah. Like when somebody asks me to
write a bio I'm like oh shit, really Fractured take on
vampires but. Like, well, I just saw a reel
about apples that I was like, wow, wow.
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And it was like, you know, you double down, triple down, You
know, it was like, wow. And.
That that's the type of stuff and it's, it's truly just like,
it's stuff that's a little skew.And like you say, it's when you
hear a joke that clearly hasn't been like when something is
funny, like unmanicured, you know what I mean?
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It's like seeing fingerprints ina pot that someone has made
where you're like, you're like, that's such a specific and weird
like button that that just is a silly thing that makes me
giggle. And it's like you're being true
to the thing that makes you laugh so.
Yes. Make other people laugh.
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Yes, and I, I, we were just talking about that before I
introduced you about trying to please ourselves.
And I'm, I'm not even completelythere yet.
I'm so codependent and I am so needy.
I won't be able to like me. And I want to please my whatever
client who is the, you know, theowner of the club or the
(34:57):
corporate event or whatever. And then it's like when I get on
Social Security, I'm going to speak my truth, you know?
I, I think it's really easy to sort of lose the, the, the, the
trees for the forest when it, when it comes to kind of chasing
that golden ring with comedy where it's like, you know, being
funny becomes a job and all of asudden it's not so funny anymore
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and you're not really having fun.
And it's easy to lose. It's easy to lose the fun side
of it and replace it with the grind and it works for some.
People and you and when we were talking about the algorithms and
I had I, I, and this is where I started doing all these nurse
conferences because a couple of these nurse reels went viral.
(35:38):
And one of them, certainly not one of my manicured bits where
I've gotten it whittled down to the syllable.
It was just little bit drunk, not they're just spewing about
shame based nursing school and I'm stuttering, I'm stammering.
It's not a very well crafted thing.
It just had a lot of emotion behind it and that went viral.
(36:01):
But then I noticed that I started chasing, Oh, now I
should do more nurse video. And now I'm making my living
doing nurse conferences. And then I I saw the trappings
of like, oh, shit, you want to get on the algorithm?
You better hit that note. And that's a true.
And that's its own kind of chase.
And it's like, then you'll see people who are like, quote UN
(36:22):
quote content creators. Like I got, I got a niece and
nephew out here who are 9 and six years old.
And I watch the stuff that they scroll for, let's say 5 hours
reasonably a day. And it's like content is the
loosest way to describe it. It is someone, it is someone
telling a story that may or may not have happened to them or
(36:43):
someone they know while they cutan orange into like perfect
pieces so that we don't get bored while we're hearing the
lie that they're telling. And it's like, you can tell that
this person does it for like, 'cause they have, you know,
hundreds of thousands of views. And it's like, you must, this
must be your entire life is waking up in the morning and
(37:03):
just churning out this bullshit.And that seems like a bummer.
Yeah, and then there's the receiver, because I do have a
phone addiction right now. I know I have it.
And you talked about getting up in the middle of the night and
like, I, I mean, I'm constantly.In my hand right now,
subconsciously. Yeah, it's an extension of us.
Now I don't even realize I'm doing.
(37:23):
I go to look for something on mycalendar and then all of a
sudden I'm scrolling. I've been in.
I'm like, how long have I been in here?
But you were saying your algorithm too, not just a for
your content, but then also for what you're receiving.
And I think because you're into some of the, what'd you say,
art, and then you're now gettingthis bizarre AI.
One too many generative AI art videos and like, look, it's I'm
(37:47):
I'm a I'm AI try to be like a hand illustrator.
I'm I'm an actual like I try to draw basically did.
You do all the did you do all the video on that Apple video
that I yeah, yeah, you did all of that.
Yeah, I do all of that. I want to learn how.
To meet and my buddy Aaron Uristdoes the other voice no.
Way. Yeah.
Yeah. I haven't seen Aaron in so long.
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OK. He's in the Pacific Northwest
anyway. OK, So what is your handle again
on this? Razor, Lou.
Razor, Lou. I'm at Razor Lou everywhere and
the reason is because when I when I was first doing kind of
comedy and trying to trying to come up with a brand, it was
(38:30):
very DIY and kind of punk rock and that you didn't need to put
your real name on it and you hadan online persona too.
And I've just never changed it. So it's Razor.
Lou, Razor Lou OK, so, but seriously, people should go
look, go look at go look at his at his Instagram and it's on
YouTube as well or what? Razor, Lou.
Yeah, yeah, OK. And Instagram and blue sky and
(38:53):
all of that, all that shit. I'm in the beast.
I tried to start Blue Sky and then I got I got overwhelmed.
I need to go back to it. All right.
But you were saying and you weresaying like you do things by
hand, but you got down in that AI thing and then you started
seeing weird AI. Like I, I, I tried, tried to be
an artist to, to get paid for itsometimes even.
And so I don't support the AI art movement, but some of it's
(39:18):
pretty cool. And you click one, and then you
click another one, and before you know it, your algorithm
looks like a zillion tiny portholes into hell.
And it's just weird shit, Nancy.I've seen things that I can't
see. I've seen a devil made of pizza
vomiting pizza onto a city that deserved it.
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Does it make you feel a little strung out, Like it's just too?
It's upsetting. Yeah, but whatever gets you back
to, you know, grounding call in your Hawks.
But there's something with nature too.
I don't know why, but it's like that connection with the with
the earth and the earthly beings.
There's AI believe there's an kind of energetic ecosystem
(40:02):
around us. I don't, I don't understand it
but I'm I'm asking to be reincarnated on the planet of
empaths. But then I I don't think I would
make the cut is the saddest part.
I'm going to I'm going to shoot for Cowboy World.
Is that where you want to go back to?
I think I'd do pretty good on Cowboy World if I could get
reincarnated there. Now, do you see yourself as the
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cowboy, I assume? No, I'm a I'm like a piano
playing, you know? You're in the saloon.
You're in the saloon. You're.
You're not you're. Not way too small.
Yeah, I'm the guy that after theafter the shootout happens, I
like, peek up over the piano. I'm like, bleed it out, you
(40:45):
know? And then try to help the
grieving widow, Right? Exactly.
With a with a jaunty song. How about our little music while
we grieve? Yeah, I totally see that though,
the Muses. Well, thank you.
Thanks for taking all this time to talk with old man.
Thank you for having me, please,I'd love to come back sometime.
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I have other ghost stories I'd love to tell.
You let's do it. Let's do it.
I'd love to have you on regularly.
I mean, I just because I get to have it's like a nice excuse for
these conversations. This, what I I see myself doing
in my 80s, is coming back and listening to all this like this
is going to be my remember when I had that nice conversation
with that young man? We we talked about ghosts and
(41:30):
energetic beings. And closing, are you living here
now in Denver or where? Where are you living?
In Denver for the summer. I'll be in Denver through most
of the summer of 2025 doing stand up comedy and hunting
Sasquatch. So oh, what about your podcast?
What's the name of your podcast?Oh yeah, I have a podcast called
Werewolf Radar with a a couple of other former Denver
(41:54):
comedians. Let's call them, let's call them
Reformed, Rehabilitated. And we talk about paranormal
news and stuff. We've been talking a lot about
the bugosphere lately. I've heard about this.
I'm out of the loop on that one.They got a sphere, Nancy.
They got a sphere. Bugas.
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What is it? There's a place called Buga in
Colombia where a sphere fell to Earth and two or three
scientists have it. They're trickling out
information. It's most likely a piece of art,
but as extraterrestrial in origin, I kind of think we
people are. Extraterrestrial in origin,
(42:36):
sadly, I went to your when I wason your Instagram and it was
Twitch. I don't know the Twitch is
you're a gamer. You're do gaming on Twitch.
Oh yeah, too, too much someone. Say well, hey, do what you're
called to do. Go where it feels good.
That's that's my, that's my shut.
Off I'm a I'm a like I said, I'man anxious guy.
I'm a I'm a an ADHD thinker as well.
(42:56):
I I go and I go and I go and my my shut off switch is video game
time. So that you've totally that's my
son does the same thing. He's 20 and he's got it.
He he needs. And I, I kind of feel like some
of the scrolling is a little that dissociative thing.
And I have AD ADHD. And you know, when he, when he
got diagnosed, I asked the doctor, I said, well, what's
the, what's the other side of that coin?
(43:17):
You know, that I know he has lack of focus and hyperactivity
and he's like, oh, yeah, highly creative.
And I was like, oh, OK, all makes sense.
All right. Hey, thank you, Jordan.
I want to thank my guest, JordanDahl.
Find Jordan Dahl on everything at Razor Loo RAZORLOU.
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Also check out his podcast Werewolf Radar.
I can't wait. I can't wait to hear about all
the crazy stuff, super, super crazy stuff going on in the
world. Check out Werewolf Radar and
again, if you want to see a comedy show with me, go to
nancynorton.tv or that's also myInstagram handle.
Please let me know if you want to be a guest on Trauma D.
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And thank you for being a listener, for witnessing this
holding space. I do believe it has an impact
when we share an experience, whether we're talking or
listening. So thank you so much for being a
listener. And I want to thank my son,
Nathaniel Norton for doing the music for Traumedy.
And and remember, no matter what, keep laughing.
You're listening to Trauma D, the podcast that helps you take
your pain and play with it. I'm Nancy Norton, I'm a
comedian, I worked many years asa nurse.
I do keynote presentations aboutthe power of humor, how it helps
us, why we need it, how it can actually be part of our healing
(00:24):
process. I love these Co healing
conversations. It's peer-to-peer sharing.
We're saying here's how we got through some stuff.
I hope it helps you get through some stuff.
Do you feel the healing? All right, I am heading to
Wisconsin, Waterloo in Madison, WI, June 18th and 19th, and then
back here in Boulder, my hometown, Boulder, Co, June
(00:47):
22nd, doing a bar gig. It's just going to be a real
casual thing at the Southern Sun.
Come out and laugh with us, and then I'm heading back to the
Ozarks. Branson, MO.
I'll be at the Comedy Factory June 26th through the 28th and
then I'm going to go down to thelake and do a little water
skiing. If you want to find any of those
(01:09):
shows or you want to connect with me, please reach out to me
on my website, nancynorton.tvthats.tv.
Like television. This episode we have a a
wonderful comedian. He's he's a comedian, he's an
artist. He's into the supernatural
stuff. I'm into the supernatural stuff.
(01:29):
This episode's a little bit Woo woo deals with like post
traumatic gifts around spirituality and also comedy.
It was, it was wild because it was very strange because you
came up to me and we both know that we're both spooky kind of
people. And your first question to me
was, do you have any new ghost stories?
And I was like, no way, because it had just happened.
(01:53):
I think he's one of the funniestpeople I've been around in a
long time. He just makes my giggle.
He tickles my whimsy. So enjoy this episode and I'll
see you on the other side. Welcome to traumedy.
My guest this week is a comediancreator, a ghost hunter.
(02:15):
Please welcome Jordan Doll, everybody.
Jordan Doll. My thank you so much for having
me. And we're in the middle of a
conversation and I'm like, I gotto introduce you because I, I
knew it would be like this. I got to tell you I I was so
excited for this conversation because we just were together
223 nights ago at the Denver Comedy Underground and I don't
(02:37):
remember anything from the night.
But your story, like that's whatsticks with me.
And your goosebumps, the goosebumps on your arm were the
I have never felt more prickly goosebumps in my life like.
It was, it was wild because it was very strange because you
came up to me and we both know that we're both spooky kind of
people. And your first question to me
was, do you have any new ghost stories?
(02:58):
And I was like, no, wait, I'm dude.
Because it had just happened andI'm going to tell it.
Should I tell? It yes, please, yes, we're let's
start there because I don't knowwhy this is where I live right
now. I think because of my age.
Also there's something like my bones are getting so thin.
You know that I'm communing withthe ethers.
(03:20):
I don't know. Get getting that good, that good
radiation from the cosmos. That's it.
Yeah, there's nothing blocking it.
Yeah, OK, so this is this is theghost story that I told you the
other night, and I apologize to your listeners.
It's, you know, don't get your hopes up.
There's no zombies, no, no pot, no jump scares in this one.
(03:41):
But it was significant enough that I told, I told Nancy the
other day at a comedy show, I actually pulled you and Christy
Buckley aside to be like, you guys have to hear this.
And again, how this ties into traumedy, just so people know is
I do believe in post traumatic gifts and one of those I think
is spiritual. I don't understand it spiritual
(04:03):
communication. I'm going to say I'm I'm very
woo woo and people don't like woo woo.
They probably don't like traumedy because it's every
episode almost. There's something about.
I very much dig that because I mean, there is, you know, we'll
get into it post traumatic giftsanyway.
And it was still, you know, it only happened a few days before
and it was significant enough that it gave me massive
(04:24):
goosebumps. I have them right now in my
mouth. So what had happened was we're
going through some tough times with the family and stuff.
I won't get into it. But like, I was, I was sitting
there, I was cutting up some some carrots to make a pot roast
and I couldn't find a peeler. And so it was just me and I was
(04:46):
cooking for me and my mom. And I started like trying to do
that thing where you peel a carrot with like a steak knife.
That fool's errand. Trying to make the thinnest
little slice with the with whatever those knives were that
used to be on the TV commercialswhere it's like have.
A Ginsu. Yeah, cut your steak so thin the
(05:09):
relatives will never come back. And I started like as I was
doing it, I started thinking about, you know, family who had
passed and people who I wished was here just during a tough
time, you know, peaks and valleys kind of thing.
And like, I wonder what they would say.
I wish. And I remember I was having the
thought it was like it, it was like, I wish one of those, you
(05:32):
know, spirits would show up and and kind of help us out in this
moment. And in my in that moment, for
some reason, I had this weird, Ilike rethought it.
And I was like, maybe it doesn'twork like that.
Maybe me just thinking about those people who have passed
right now is them coming to helpin some way.
(05:54):
And you know, like people like my Auntie Rose and Grandma Doris
are still here because I remember them.
And as I thought of my grandma'sname, the knife flipped around
in my hand and I started scraping the peels off.
Never done that in my life. And on those response.
As I was doing it, I realized that that is where I got it
from. That's I saw my grandma do it
(06:15):
and there they there they are. Testify I could feel them
through the camera it. Was like it it you know, it's,
it is at once a testament to kind of the power of the human
mind and psychology and how we tap into that thing and, you
(06:36):
know, generational kind of learning and memory and and at
the same time, it's a testament to a spiritual connection, the
immateriality of things. And maybe that's exactly what it
is. Maybe it's maybe it is our
psychology is part of whatever the spirit weave is.
I don't know. I don't know either.
(06:57):
It makes sense to me though, those, those and one of my
guests called them truth chills.And now I really pay attention
when I get truth chills. I'm like, OK.
And I've had them several times with guests when they share a
story like that. And I don't know if you're, I
don't have them at this moment, but it might because you're not
in the same room. A lot of times we're in the same
room. I know it's dorky, but every
zero birthday I try to do something kind of experientially
(07:19):
significant. So on my 40th birthday I did a
past life regression. I don't know.
Have you ever done one of those?No, I'm too afraid.
Oh, really? OK.
I fear it as much as I love it. I fear it.
You're afraid to see what you what you did in your past life
or or just afraid to lose touch,lose touch.
I'm. Just an anxious guy in general.
OK, that's OK, that's fair. Well, I had a a neighbor so I
(07:42):
totally trusted my neighbor Patricia Raycraft who has since
moved on and she you talk about some post traumatic gifts.
That woman had polio, so she's like 20 years older than me, You
know, of that generation before the vaccine.
Wow. She was something else and funny
and just, Oh my God. Anyway, so she was a
hypnotherapist and she did this past life regression and got
(08:04):
people over phobias in one session.
Like, she was amazing. And I mean, this is what she
told me. So I do believe her, but I found
her quite believable. Yeah.
So I went to her on my 40th birthday.
I spent the weekend with her in Crested Butte where she was
living. And I did a past life
regression. I didn't have a phobia, but I
said I just feel. So I anxious all the time.
(08:24):
And just also there's just this something with my mom, I don't
quite understand it. Like point is, I just was
working on general anxiety and dis ease, you know, like so, so
anyway, we walked because we're going to walk into a past life
that is significant and helpful to you at this time.
And so we, it was the most I wasa typesetter for the New York
(08:45):
Herald. I know it was.
So I saw it very clearly. I saw this huge plate.
I didn't know how all this worked.
I've looked it up since and I I was in front of this plate doing
these like layout for the New York Herald and I didn't even I
thought it that sounded to me like I was making it up, She
said. It's going to feel like you're
making it up. Just let yourself make it up
whenever it comes. And and the New York Herald
(09:06):
sounds like a cartoon newspaper.Ding Ding Ling.
Newark, you. Know.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Just I was like and again this.
Up to Jimmy so he can get it over to Superman ASAP.
Yeah, anyway, we walked into this past life.
But the coolest part of it was and it it gave me peace around
my mom because in that past life, my God, I was sobbing.
My dad was killed by Indians andMontana and my mom and I were
(09:28):
had to get, you know, sell all our stuff at the general store
in town and take a Stagecoach back to the East Coast so we
wouldn't get killed by Indians. And it was the, IT was very
detailed and then. You guys went on the on the
voyage. We did and then the But the best
part then was when I died. So she kept going me.
(09:50):
She kept pushing me forward. 10 years, 10 years, 10 years.
And then, but it did help me 'cause I was so close with that
mom. And I mean, we just, I mean, it
was a great mother child bond. And that helped me understand,
oh, no wonder this lifetime is not like that.
And it just feels so wrong, right, right.
And anyway, but the point of this all really is that I died
(10:12):
at 80 years old, really peacefulin my sleep under a window.
I could see the curtain kind of blowing over my head.
And when I died, I turned into aribbon of light and, and, and
there was no missing anyone, anybody, whoever wanted to
connect with me. They just pointed their mind and
we were together. And it's like our, our, our
(10:33):
ribbons of light would swirl. And I got now I have goosebumps.
And then it was just that. So, So when you said that, I
thought that's exactly what the message was to me in my, in my
past life regression, when I went in between lives and it was
just a ribbon of light and therewas no sense of missing anyone
because you could instantly be together at any second, you just
say. And so I talked to my grandma a
(10:55):
lot and, and then my, I have a lot of, I feel like my, my
relatives will push animals my way, like Hawks and squirrels
and big time, dude, you get a lot of hawk signs.
I get a lot of Hawks, I get a lot of birds, my dad gets a lot
of owls. But yes, all of this absolutely
is stuff that I have, you know, been very slowly over my life
(11:19):
kind of because I was always like, you know, oh, I want to, I
want to see a, a Bigfoot, I wantto see an alien.
I want to see a full floating free vapor or whatever.
And, and I always thought that it didn't really happen to me,
but the longer I live, the more I'm like, it's kind of happening
all the time. Yes, it is happening all the
(11:41):
time and once you start seeing it, you just see more and more.
And then when you start listening, because that's the
other piece of it to me is it might just be it might just be
for the fun of seeing somebody or that sense of that's my
spirit sign. But for me it comes with like a
hawk will come as an affirmation.
And it it, it is. It's like, and it's hard to talk
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to people who aren't woo woo about it because they
immediately their crackpot alarmgoes off.
And no, and I'm not saying I'm not, that both can't be true.
You know, I yes, I am a crackpot.
And absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
Both can be true. But it's like, it, it, it is, it
is the more I see it and the more I see kind of other
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people's experiences. And OK, so like the hawk thing,
like, sure, maybe that's just pattern recognition.
But even then, so like, I'm going to, I'm going to backtrack
and then come back to this idea.Tarot, tarot reading, right?
I I'm not a big kind of tarot astrology fortune telling my
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grand and my grandmother was sheread tea leaves, you know, and.
Oh, I didn't know this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Wow, this is in your family. Well, that's the thing.
And it's like, and so I've neverreally been a big a big
proponent of that. However, I do see how like, like
a tarot reading can be somethingthat is very useful for helping
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you to confront things that you might not otherwise, you know,
like it like as, as like a, a kind of personal exploration
tool. If somebody puts down a card
that tells me that I'm, I'm not being fully truthful with
myself, I'm going to go, you know what, you're right.
It's about this. And I know, I know what it's
about because, because I've decided that's what it what it's
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about. I know what this, you know,
Pentacle means to me because. Because my mind is part of it.
I'm rambling. Now, no, no, I'm but it's I
think I'm getting it like the interconnectedness of the your
interpretation plus. Is it your interpretation is
part of it is what I'm saying isit's all kind of like in the
oneness. The reason I say that is because
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of the hawk thing I've found. And we live in Colorado, so we
see a lot of Hawks in general. But I did find that they they
quite often would show up when Iwas, you know, pensive, thinking
about something, thinking about how to solve a problem, how to
do this. And I would all of a sudden have
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like a new idea. And I'd be like, maybe that's
the way to solve it. And I would see a hawk.
And to me, I would be like, So what does the hawk mean to you?
And to me, it's like, you know, speed, flying, eating a mouse,
but also perception is the big 1is what I think of yes, eat
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things. They can spot things the.
Eagle. The eagle eye view.
The hawk. Yeah, Hawkeye, I mean.
Which way to go? So to me, like now I always
think, you know, the universe speaks if we have butt ears to
listen. And that is my interpretation of
that. So now it's kind of this thing,
and it's like, did I do it or did I just notice it?
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Yeah, we yeah, we're very much on a similar goofball spooky
vibe. Yeah, I think, and I think we
channel muses. Here's my new theory.
Now some of you are I I just don't think I'm that funny.
I think I just channel muses. Nobody who's actually like a a
genuinely funny person is going to come up and be like, I'm
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really funny. Except times they do though.
And then they're like, they are funny and you hate it.
You're like. Yeah, Yeah, I guess occasionally
I will say, occasionally I'll say I kind of know what I'm
doing. Like as far as, you know, my
little skill sets that I've built over the 40 years of doing
stand up. I'm, I will say I kind of know
some of the variables that stackup and work.
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But mostly I have been saying, Ithink I just channel muses
thanks to trauma. All right, well, can I just say
this one thing about the hawk and the mouse, please?
The day I had this mouse infestation at my house out in
Lafayette here in Colorado. And it was, I can't kill stuff
like I can't. And I was relocating my it was
wearing me out, man. I was re.
I was literally driving. My son's going to have to do
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therapy about this because we would make runs do this.
I mean, I built a fairy house inthe woods 6 miles from my house.
Yes. And we would make runs with mice
and then I would drop him off gerbil food.
I dropped gerbil food off for him once a week in the winter
because I read they got to have food anyway.
I'm insane that way. And I was like, and I felt like
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my mother had not had just died and she sent the mice to help
tell me like, I need to clean myhouse.
Anyway, point is, I call, I was,I was desperate for like I
called some sort of ethical mouse mitigation company where I
was like, how can I, can you help me?
And then at the end of the call he goes, well, basically you
really just need to poison him. And I said it's.
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Not. I said I'm not going to poison
mice. I'm pretty sure it poisons
everything in the food chain. Poison is poison is your ethical
answer. It was a bait and switch ad man
and so it would be. More ethical to get on your
hands and knees and kill them each with a hammer.
It really would actually. And my, my, I didn't mind my dog
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killing them for some reason theway she killed them.
Look, that's nature. Yeah, I, I, I But anyway, right
after that phone call, there wasa part of me toying with it
because I was so exhausted. Like, he's telling me it's the
right way. And I'm like, I don't believe
that I'm worried about. And I swear to God, I walked to
the little lake near my house and right then a hawk came in,
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picked up a mouse and like rightin front of me that and I'd
never seen it before since I've never seen a hawk get a mouse in
front of me. And I was like, OK, I got you.
I'm not going to poison the miceand poison you.
Because then I read all these articles how the owl, all of the
owls in Canada have have that poison in their livers.
And there's so many, it's killing so many animals when you
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poison. Anyway, I got you.
Know those Canadian owls are thenicest lungs too?
It's OK, we'll eat the poison ones.
We don't mind. Yeah, that's why, dude.
What happened? What did you do?
What happened to the mice? I called a guy named Jack Murphy
who is available. I could give you his contact if
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anybody. He came and sealed the holes in
my house and and then also, yeah, that was it.
And I. I called a guy named Jack
Murphy. And then I and I put all of the
things that mice might eat in bins, like, tried to make it
less appealing. But I did have, you know, when
you have a dog and dog food, it's kind of rough.
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
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Anyway, kids, OK, way off subject so many times I don't
know if there is, but post traumatic gifts, let's get to
know you just a little bit if you don't mind.
I mean, we're knowing you through your humor and your but
what is your background? Did you?
Where did you grow? Up I was born in Aberdeen,
Scotland, and I, yeah, I lived there until I was about 10 years
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old. My dad wasn't, my dad is,
wasn't, is an oil man. That's not true.
He's retired at this point. But the whole N seas area is
big, big oil country and my, thetown of Aberdeen is kind of also
that's the industry there. So my parents met there.
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My mom's from Newcastle. He's American.
I was born there. They got divorced when I was 6.
We moved to the United States tobe closer to my maternal
grandparents after no, sorry, mypaternal grandparents after my
maternal grandmother died at like 6460, three-way too young.
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And that's that's Doris. And.
Oh, that's Doris. Yes, you would.
And you were just a a wee lad. I don't know.
Now I want to. She was and we were like really
close to it was a big, it was like it was the the catalyst for
us moving to America. She was kind of our our
connection in the city and we would spend days with her and it
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really. That was the that was the first
trauma for sure. Maybe my parents getting
divorced but. That's a big trauma.
And then wait. So wait, you were in Scotland
and then your mother is Newcastle in England?
Newcastle is on the border. They it's in the Midlands is
what they call it. And they, they, they call
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themselves Jodies. They all talk like this.
It's a cow. So you have that ear.
You. You.
You were. Sometimes that that was that was
pretty bad, but thank you. I mean, you could fool me.
I I'm from the Ozarks. I was just thinking, I was like,
God, I hope nobody who's actually a Jordy hears me
talking like this. They'll they'll drag me, but
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they're kind of Scottish and English.
That's Newcastle. That's where most of the woo woo
comes from. My grandma.
Was she? She read tea leaves like
grandma. Doris.
Yes. And she, that whole kind of side
of the family has a connection to that sort of Midlands, UK
folk magic. There's little things that they
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would do. They never really taught me any
of it. It was very hush hush, but.
But you felt, but you felt a powerful connection with Doris
and did you I, you know, my grandmother is who passed
whatever this spark was to me that I never had with anyone
else. And but she laughed.
She was so she had one of the biggest traumas I've ever heard,
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you know, like, but yet she was she was laughing all a lot and
silly, very silly. Truly was Doris like that?
Oh yeah, she would do karate with us.
I remember this was in the 80s when we were for some reason
training all of the children of the world to be proficient in
karate. And, and we would like I say, we
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spent a lot of time with her. She was kind of our a full time
babysitter when my mom was, you know, out single mom in it in
the 1980s and 90s trying to keepfood on the table.
Anyway. And your mom.
You stayed with your mom after the divorce.
Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because my dad worked offshore
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in Saudi Arabia and she, she wasvery silly.
We would, you know, all of the all the movies I remember
watching, going to grandma's house was always like a night
where we were going to get fish and chips and we were going to
watch like some kind of Americanfilm on telly that probably
wasn't supposed to watch. And.
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Little naughty, she'd let you doa little naughty.
Things like that. They're still slightly taboo.
And then karate. And she herself was quite, quite
naughty with her sweets because she had diabetes, but she would
sneak sweets. And my mom loves to tell a story
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about my mom loves to tell a story about giving her mother
money for watching the kids and to take the bus home up the
hill. And she looked out and she saw
Doris standing at the bus stop, and then she walked away.
And then she looked out again and she saw her walking up the
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hill, and she'd been walking allthe way home and just keeping
the money. For sweets.
For sweets for the kids. I love her.
God, I love her. I'm so glad you had her.
I mean, what a different life, right?
What a different life without Doris.
Can you? It would just be totally
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different experience. And like, you know, she, her,
she had her own trauma. She was divorced in the in the
50s or the 40s, which was just not something that was done
really. She lived through the World War
2. And you know, if she got
divorced in the 40s or 50s, it was bad.
You don't leave your husband unless you just like, it was
almost probably a survival thing.
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Who knows? Yeah.
You don't just leave because ourlove language is different, you
know? So I haven't really ever been
given the full story. It's not really something that
was talked about a lot. My mom's side of the family has
a lot of kind of half brothers and siblings and stuff like
that. And and a little bit of a a
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little bit of kind of like that that northern UK sort of
traveling people blood in there,the the kind of caravan gypsy
folk. Oh, interesting.
Particularly her her half brother, his dad was was AI
can't remember the name. It's not it's not Pikey, but
it's like that. But and a little bit of that
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kind of woo woo comes from theretoo.
Anyway, moved over to the UnitedStates to be close to my
paternal grandparents and you know, kind of moved away from
sort of the spirituality of it, which I mean, my, my
grandparents, my dad's parents were like religious in a go to
Episcopalian service once in a while kind of way.
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And like have Bible quotes on the wall because that's what you
did at the time. But we never like, we were never
like super religious. And it wasn't until much later
that I kind of like, you know, like I say now that I'm sort of
trying to pay attention to more things and sort of read these
little signs about myself and pay attention to my own psyche
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and how it, you know, how it's all sort of connected.
I'm kind of reconnecting with this, this, you would call it a
spiritual side, but it's, it's not necessarily I'm not.
Religious. Yeah, it's separate.
It is, yeah, sort of a personal experience.
Well, and like the the the more you kind of start to pay
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attention to it, the more you see that it's like you get these
little hints as to what it is after all, you know, even
without the dogma of it, as you go on your own kind of journey.
And you know, if you if you sortof kind of hate saying journey,
I'm sorry I said that you. I don't mind journey.
You have these little moments that awaken you to, you know,
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the possibility that there's more out there.
It becomes your own kind of, youknow, sure not doesn't have the
strongest bedrock, but you do get hints and you can make your
own little system of beliefs that doesn't necessarily need to
line up with the big book. Yeah.
And I think that if you enjoy sort of the subtleties of life
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in general, you know, like in comedy, I love the little
whimsical, like tickling of the funnies versus the like, I'm
here's I'm gonna and I do both. Don't I'm I'm not.
I mean, I hate to admit I've I came up in the in the 90s as I
still kind of have the old 90s, you know, let's do the setup
punchline. Uh oh, this just in.
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Do you need to take a call? Sorry, yeah, I got AI just got a
call from my. Do we need to pause like?
Can we pause for a second? OK, this was perfect because I
wanted to play this clip and while Jordan's on the phone,
he's got to take a phone call. I'm going to play this clip
about him talking about being onthe phone too much.
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It's such a great bit. I'm on my phone way too much.
I'm on my phone right now. That's how good I am.
All cheeks, baby. I feel like our phones are
turning us all into like like little Princess like just little
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luxury addicts. Like at any point during the day
I can be like I grow tired of mythoughts and feelings and
friends and family bring me the phone.
I wish to see a goose who is best friends with a goat.
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Look at that. They're so happy and now I grow
tired of their friendship. Make them fight for me.
And then it's off to TikTok to see the world's tallest teen do
a humiliating dance. And now I wish to peruse women
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for I would have an erection. Wrong wrong, wrong.
You do now. I'm tired of you.
Let's get that goat back in herenow you 2 fight.
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I love that bit so much anyway. I'm AI, can't tell it anymore.
Somebody. Somebody ruined it for me.
Somebody ruined it. Yeah, they said.
They said that the voice that I did was too close to a voice
that they did. What, Are you serious?
Yeah. Somebody ruined it for you and
you. It's OK, I think it was.
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And I, it was kind of one of those things where at the end of
the day it was like, I'd rather have this friendship than this
joke. So.
You could. I mean, I think there's another
voice you could do too. I agree.
And I've, I've been trying to doit with a like a Prussian, like
a little Prussian Prince. And it's like a little kind of
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Russian or, or German boy. Yes, kind of some somebody from
Willy Wonka that's untitled. Yeah.
It's weird because I've had thisthought like we all think we
should live like kings now, and I've never had that.
I've never come up with as funnya thing about it.
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So I just loved it so much. I just stumbled on it to because
honestly, I haven't seen your comedy that much because you
came up when I was in Nepal, youknow, and then I was out of the
scene on the. Scene when you were off the
scene and then I was off the scene and you came back and
crushed, crushed everyone. Yeah, right.
But I mean just I haven't, I've missed you, I've not been able
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to see you and then. I've missed me too.
Give yourself a butterfly hug. Also, I see crutches behind you.
So I was I was going to ask you,should I be concerned about the
crutches? No, no, no, those are just,
those are pre emptive crutches. I like to keep them brown.
It's a pretty wacky situation over here.
I'm usually slipping on banana. Peels and getting.
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Paint cans in the face. It's a real.
It's a real home alone, too. Well, back to the listening to
the subtle, but also I think I was just talking about subtle
humor. I I mean, and not always subtle,
but just sort of, you know, in that kind of ethereal like I
love jokes that you're like, they just tickle my whimsy and
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it's not like in an obvious way,like I don't know why, but I'm
delighted by this humor. I mean, I sometimes I know why,
but anyway, when you found out, like if there's any link, this
is part of the podcast is to help people take their pain and
play with it. Were you aware at any point in
like your development or when you realize you use humor as
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kind of a resource to help get through stuff?
Oh, sure. Oh yeah, absolutely.
I mean, like, jeez, I it, it's still something that I'm
untangling, but it like very early on it became clear to me
that it was like I'm, I'm, I'm just a little kind of to the
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side of everyone else. I'm not like some, I'm not some
mysterious intriguing character.I'm just, you know, I'm a
weirdo. I was a weird kid.
I, I didn't like sports. I didn't like, you know, one of
those kids re playing video games, jumping rope when
everybody else is talking about football or whatever.
And. And did you like talking
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paranormal? I used to do this at this was my
thing at slumber parties every, all the girls wanted to talk
about boys. Of course, you know, I was a
tomboy, but also I, I just wanted to talk about this
paranormal stuff. We would tell lots of ghost
stories in the family. Like I say, we you know a lot of
arched eyebrows when something you know what that is kind.
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Of thing, but also humor. Yes, yes, very much so.
And that kind of sort of, you know, early on the humor, I sort
of realized like that's what I had to defuse because I am
terrified of confrontation. And so like when when something
comes up, that's what I got. That's what I have to add to the
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situation. So even from when I was like, I
think it was really in like middle school where it was like
to not get picked on also was a was and am a fat guy and to not
get picked on. It was like, you know, you got
a, a couple of a couple of directions.
You can go as a fat guy, you could try to be scary or you can
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be pretty funny. And so I went for that one.
Yeah, and then that. But your and your humor's so
absurdist and it's, yeah, I don't know.
How do you describe? How do you describe?
Do you describe your humor? I always find that difficult
myself. I don't know.
Yeah, people have have said absurdist to me and it's, you
know, I, I, I generally try not to.
I'm just I I'm bad at putting we.
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Don't need to. We don't need to label it.
Yeah, yeah. Like when somebody asks me to
write a bio I'm like oh shit, really Fractured take on
vampires but. Like, well, I just saw a reel
about apples that I was like, wow, wow.
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And it was like, you know, you double down, triple down, You
know, it was like, wow. And.
That that's the type of stuff and it's, it's truly just like,
it's stuff that's a little skew.And like you say, it's when you
hear a joke that clearly hasn't been like when something is
funny, like unmanicured, you know what I mean?
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It's like seeing fingerprints ina pot that someone has made
where you're like, you're like, that's such a specific and weird
like button that that just is a silly thing that makes me
giggle. And it's like you're being true
to the thing that makes you laugh so.
Yes. Make other people laugh.
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Yes, and I, I, we were just talking about that before I
introduced you about trying to please ourselves.
And I'm, I'm not even completelythere yet.
I'm so codependent and I am so needy.
I won't be able to like me. And I want to please my whatever
client who is the, you know, theowner of the club or the
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corporate event or whatever. And then it's like when I get on
Social Security, I'm going to speak my truth, you know?
I, I think it's really easy to sort of lose the, the, the, the
trees for the forest when it, when it comes to kind of chasing
that golden ring with comedy where it's like, you know, being
funny becomes a job and all of asudden it's not so funny anymore
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and you're not really having fun.
And it's easy to lose. It's easy to lose the fun side
of it and replace it with the grind and it works for some.
People and you and when we were talking about the algorithms and
I had I, I, and this is where I started doing all these nurse
conferences because a couple of these nurse reels went viral.
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And one of them, certainly not one of my manicured bits where
I've gotten it whittled down to the syllable.
It was just little bit drunk, not they're just spewing about
shame based nursing school and I'm stuttering, I'm stammering.
It's not a very well crafted thing.
It just had a lot of emotion behind it and that went viral.
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But then I noticed that I started chasing, Oh, now I
should do more nurse video. And now I'm making my living
doing nurse conferences. And then I I saw the trappings
of like, oh, shit, you want to get on the algorithm?
You better hit that note. And that's a true.
And that's its own kind of chase.
And it's like, then you'll see people who are like, quote UN
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quote content creators. Like I got, I got a niece and
nephew out here who are 9 and six years old.
And I watch the stuff that they scroll for, let's say 5 hours
reasonably a day. And it's like content is the
loosest way to describe it. It is someone, it is someone
telling a story that may or may not have happened to them or
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someone they know while they cutan orange into like perfect
pieces so that we don't get bored while we're hearing the
lie that they're telling. And it's like, you can tell that
this person does it for like, 'cause they have, you know,
hundreds of thousands of views. And it's like, you must, this
must be your entire life is waking up in the morning and
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just churning out this bullshit.And that seems like a bummer.
Yeah, and then there's the receiver, because I do have a
phone addiction right now. I know I have it.
And you talked about getting up in the middle of the night and
like, I, I mean, I'm constantly.In my hand right now,
subconsciously. Yeah, it's an extension of us.
Now I don't even realize I'm doing.
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I go to look for something on mycalendar and then all of a
sudden I'm scrolling. I've been in.
I'm like, how long have I been in here?
But you were saying your algorithm too, not just a for
your content, but then also for what you're receiving.
And I think because you're into some of the, what'd you say,
art, and then you're now gettingthis bizarre AI.
One too many generative AI art videos and like, look, it's I'm
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I'm a I'm AI try to be like a hand illustrator.
I'm I'm an actual like I try to draw basically did.
You do all the did you do all the video on that Apple video
that I yeah, yeah, you did all of that.
Yeah, I do all of that. I want to learn how.
To meet and my buddy Aaron Uristdoes the other voice no.
Way. Yeah.
Yeah. I haven't seen Aaron in so long.
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OK. He's in the Pacific Northwest
anyway. OK, So what is your handle again
on this? Razor, Lou.
Razor, Lou. I'm at Razor Lou everywhere and
the reason is because when I when I was first doing kind of
comedy and trying to trying to come up with a brand, it was
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very DIY and kind of punk rock and that you didn't need to put
your real name on it and you hadan online persona too.
And I've just never changed it. So it's Razor.
Lou, Razor Lou OK, so, but seriously, people should go
look, go look at go look at his at his Instagram and it's on
YouTube as well or what? Razor, Lou.
Yeah, yeah, OK. And Instagram and blue sky and
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all of that, all that shit. I'm in the beast.
I tried to start Blue Sky and then I got I got overwhelmed.
I need to go back to it. All right.
But you were saying and you weresaying like you do things by
hand, but you got down in that AI thing and then you started
seeing weird AI. Like I, I, I tried, tried to be
an artist to, to get paid for itsometimes even.
And so I don't support the AI art movement, but some of it's
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pretty cool. And you click one, and then you
click another one, and before you know it, your algorithm
looks like a zillion tiny portholes into hell.
And it's just weird shit, Nancy.I've seen things that I can't
see. I've seen a devil made of pizza
vomiting pizza onto a city that deserved it.
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Does it make you feel a little strung out, Like it's just too?
It's upsetting. Yeah, but whatever gets you back
to, you know, grounding call in your Hawks.
But there's something with nature too.
I don't know why, but it's like that connection with the with
the earth and the earthly beings.
There's AI believe there's an kind of energetic ecosystem
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around us. I don't, I don't understand it
but I'm I'm asking to be reincarnated on the planet of
empaths. But then I I don't think I would
make the cut is the saddest part.
I'm going to I'm going to shoot for Cowboy World.
Is that where you want to go back to?
I think I'd do pretty good on Cowboy World if I could get
reincarnated there. Now, do you see yourself as the
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cowboy, I assume? No, I'm a I'm like a piano
playing, you know? You're in the saloon.
You're in the saloon. You're.
You're not you're. Not way too small.
Yeah, I'm the guy that after theafter the shootout happens, I
like, peek up over the piano. I'm like, bleed it out, you
(40:45):
know? And then try to help the
grieving widow, Right? Exactly.
With a with a jaunty song. How about our little music while
we grieve? Yeah, I totally see that though,
the Muses. Well, thank you.
Thanks for taking all this time to talk with old man.
Thank you for having me, please,I'd love to come back sometime.
(41:07):
I have other ghost stories I'd love to tell.
You let's do it. Let's do it.
I'd love to have you on regularly.
I mean, I just because I get to have it's like a nice excuse for
these conversations. This, what I I see myself doing
in my 80s, is coming back and listening to all this like this
is going to be my remember when I had that nice conversation
with that young man? We we talked about ghosts and
(41:30):
energetic beings. And closing, are you living here
now in Denver or where? Where are you living?
In Denver for the summer. I'll be in Denver through most
of the summer of 2025 doing stand up comedy and hunting
Sasquatch. So oh, what about your podcast?
What's the name of your podcast?Oh yeah, I have a podcast called
Werewolf Radar with a a couple of other former Denver
(41:54):
comedians. Let's call them, let's call them
Reformed, Rehabilitated. And we talk about paranormal
news and stuff. We've been talking a lot about
the bugosphere lately. I've heard about this.
I'm out of the loop on that one.They got a sphere, Nancy.
They got a sphere. Bugas.
(42:15):
What is it? There's a place called Buga in
Colombia where a sphere fell to Earth and two or three
scientists have it. They're trickling out
information. It's most likely a piece of art,
but as extraterrestrial in origin, I kind of think we
people are. Extraterrestrial in origin,
(42:36):
sadly, I went to your when I wason your Instagram and it was
Twitch. I don't know the Twitch is
you're a gamer. You're do gaming on Twitch.
Oh yeah, too, too much someone. Say well, hey, do what you're
called to do. Go where it feels good.
That's that's my, that's my shut.
Off I'm a I'm a like I said, I'man anxious guy.
I'm a I'm a an ADHD thinker as well.
(42:56):
I I go and I go and I go and my my shut off switch is video game
time. So that you've totally that's my
son does the same thing. He's 20 and he's got it.
He he needs. And I, I kind of feel like some
of the scrolling is a little that dissociative thing.
And I have AD ADHD. And you know, when he, when he
got diagnosed, I asked the doctor, I said, well, what's
the, what's the other side of that coin?
(43:17):
You know, that I know he has lack of focus and hyperactivity
and he's like, oh, yeah, highly creative.
And I was like, oh, OK, all makes sense.
All right. Hey, thank you, Jordan.
I want to thank my guest, JordanDahl.
Find Jordan Dahl on everything at Razor Loo RAZORLOU.
(43:41):
Also check out his podcast Werewolf Radar.
I can't wait. I can't wait to hear about all
the crazy stuff, super, super crazy stuff going on in the
world. Check out Werewolf Radar and
again, if you want to see a comedy show with me, go to
nancynorton.tv or that's also myInstagram handle.
Please let me know if you want to be a guest on Trauma D.
(44:04):
And thank you for being a listener, for witnessing this
holding space. I do believe it has an impact
when we share an experience, whether we're talking or
listening. So thank you so much for being a
listener. And I want to thank my son,
Nathaniel Norton for doing the music for Traumedy.
And and remember, no matter what, keep laughing.
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