Beyond the Witching Hour - Soul Cake Surprise - Troubled Minds Radio

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I'm your host, Michael strange. We're streaming on YouTube, a
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Tonight's We're going to get a little bit more Halloween
as we go. It is October fourteenth, as we march
inexorably on toward All Hallows eve. I got a novel
theory here. I think that we talk about the veil

(03:04):
an awful lot when it comes to this season, the
weather changes, we start to feel different, things start to
feel different around us, and there's a lot of statistical
interesting information that correlates to maybe the veil isn't thinning
it at all, but instead we're the ones changing instead
of the weather. You get what I mean? Well, if

(03:26):
you don't all explain as we go, But there's a
This is an interesting one because I was digging into
this doing a deep dive and I was like, wait
a minute, now, so are you telling us it's all
in our mind? No, No, that could never be. That
could never be a thing, could it? That seems ridiculous
to suggest that that's the case with all of the
complicated human circuitry and consciousness and all the things we

(03:49):
don't know anything really about yet, even though you know,
we've been in the human meat suit experience for you know,
collectively thousands and thousands and thousands of years, depending on
who you ask, sometimes you know, go back to two
hundred thousand years or whatever, to the original Homo nliti
and beyond at this point too, there or saying we're
even further back than that as a species. Anyway, I

(04:10):
digress there. But the point tonight is we're going to
open this up a little differently too, and just kind
of do one of the generic Halloween shows as well.
So because it's kind of halfway through the month, I
think it's a good time to kind of do that.
This theory is great, it goes deep, and there's a
lot here, and so we can touch on that. But basically,
let's start with just the idea of and we've done
this year years past as well, but let's start with

(04:31):
just the idea of what do you love about this
time of year? What is it that makes Halloween your
favorite or one of your favorite seasons, and why do
you think that is. So we'll start with that question
as we begin, and we'll also go to this article
that is well the inspiration for this. Lucky. I came
across this because, like I said, I was short on

(04:53):
time and was like, oh man, what am I going
to do. I'm grasping for straws and the first article
I've sc oh my thing, and I'm like, oh, this
is perfect. Out here we goes Science Alert reports this
the human mind isn't meant to be awake past midnight,
scientists sworn right, okay, right, I mean very clickbaity, very dangerous,

(05:16):
very scary for Halloween. But it's also something we've talked
about quite a lot in the past, sort of the
night shift aspect why some people feel more alive at midnight,
you know, and you stay up till three am or
four am or whatever, and you're totally fine. And then
even if you've had plenty of sleep, you know, seven
am or six am comes too earlier, three am or
four am or whenever you guys wake up, and let's

(05:37):
hope it's not that early. That's good grotesque, and I
feel sorry for you, but you get what I mean here.
So there is a weird sort of aspect to this
particular space the witching hour, right, the midnight hour. And
if you go kind of into the old prude ways
of things, and I mean that in the nicest way,
going back to like the fifties or whatever, that which

(05:57):
I wasn't alive quite back then. But if you go
back to the fifties, right, they say, and then the
actual idea probably holds that nothing good happens after midnight, right,
And so that's kind of an extension of this, and
it's an interesting thing. Here let me read just a
little bit from the article and here you go. So
in the middle of the night, the world can sometimes
feel like a dark place. Under the cover of darkness,

(06:19):
negative thoughts have a way of drifting through your mind.
As you lie awake, staring at your ceiling. You might
start craving guilty pleasures like a cigarette or a carb
heavy meal. Plenty of evidence suggests that human mind functions
differently if awake at night time past midnight. Negative emotions
tend to draw our attention more than positive ones. Dangerous

(06:41):
ideas grow in appeal, and inhibitions fall away. It's usually
when I just get naked anyway, just to throw the
clothes on the floor, start dancing on the table. I'm
just kidding, but anyway, some researchers think the human circadian
rhythm is heavily involved in these critical changes in function,
as they outlined in a twenty twenty two paper summarizing
the evidence of how brain systems function after dark. Okay, cool,

(07:01):
you're like, yeah, a big deal, big deal, Mike, we've
talked about this. Hold on though, it's this is layered,
and this gets deeper than you believe. So the hypothesis
called mind after Midnight suggests a human body and human
mind follow a natural twenty four hour cycle of activity
that influences our emotions and behavior. Ah, wouldn't you say

(07:22):
more control mechanisms, right, as I'm always talking about. In short,
at certain hours our species is inclined to feel and
act in certain ways. In the daytime, for instance, molecular
levels and brain activity are tuned to wakefulness. But at
night our usual behavior is put to sleep. Ow oh
oh's say as the moon comes out?

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Right?

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Okay, so this is where we start. Now, this layers
because this idea in and of itself is a good
place to start, and it is you know, the eternal
night shift versus the morning. You know, the early bird,
the morning person that prefers to wake up at a
crack of dawn and see the sun, the sunrise and
all the rest of that, which I am not. I'm
not really that type of guy. I'd rather have the

(08:03):
sun be up a little bit, have it be a
little warm, be able to put my toes in the
grass when I go out, and not freeze my bitpy off.
You get what I'm saying here. But anyway, in this
particular case, the layering comes into not just the idea
of it was a dark and stormy nights, as we
talk about that old trope of scary stories in October,
but beyond it turns into something greater. It turns into

(08:26):
as not just deep let's say, the nights get longer,
the days get shorter. It certainly affects this, okay, because
our normal summer state is now sort of declining and
we're now getting used to the darkness itself. Okay, Now
here's the kicker, and here's where this gets weird. And
the question so the second question is, first question is
what do you love about Halloween? Period? Well, all hallows, eve,

(08:49):
let's talk about the season. Let's talk about the ideas,
Let's talk about the veil thinning, and the second idea,
and the second question becomes, this, is it possible to
the veil itself as we describe it in human terms,
isn't thinning at all? But we are changing as something
like this, this idea that the mind isn't meant to
be awake past midnight. What about if in the same sense,

(09:11):
when we're rolling through October, we're changing on a chemical level,
on a molecular level in some ways in this circadium
rhythm aspect of humans. And when you start to pile
these things on top of each other, I think it
makes a compelling case. For of course, the veil is
inside of us now. And what I mean by that
is that the shaman of old spent tons of time

(09:34):
doing all those things, right, the rituals and all the
things that they did, the cleansing, the purification, all the
things to really draw themselves into this larger space of
I don't know what would you call it, not a
sension but wisdom energy, drawing information from the past, from
the ancestors, all the rest right to kind of peak
beyond that veil. Now, in this particular case, isn't it

(09:57):
strange that maybe, just maybe and this is the second question.
And I'll get to make in the case after the
break here, but maybe just maybe October and after the
autumn equinox is a large shamanic ritual space, and we
are adeptly tuned to it to start recognizing the veil within.

(10:20):
That's the second question. You think that's possible, That's where
we start. I hope you're feeling well tonight. I'm doing good.
I got it was a it was a horrific day,
but I'm feeling better because I got this out. And
sometimes you just got to get an idea out of
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Straight to the write up. This is the best way
to do it is to just read it straight, so
I don't muddy the waters any further. It goes like this,

(12:10):
put it together. Geomagnetic storms hammer Earth throughout October four.
Coronal mass ejections are racing towards Earth right now, scheduled
to hit between October fifteenth and seventeenth, with G two
geomagnetic storms expected October sixteenth. Just days before that, a
massive corona hole opened and sent high speed solar winds

(12:30):
streaming toward Earth around October eleventh and twelfth. October twenty
twenty five is seeing relentless geomagnetic activity. These aren't folklore predictions.
These are NOAA measurements, satellite data, space weather forecasts issued
by government agencies tracking actual electromagnetic bombardment of the planet.

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Now the harvest and the Hunter's moon in this particular case.
Now put these ideas together as we go. Suppress melatonin
for consecutive nights. October's full moons fall near the autumn equinox,
creating extended periods of bright moonlight night after night after night.
Due to orbital mechanics, the moon rises almost immediately after
sunset for several consecutive nights, flooding the landscape with light

(13:13):
during hours that should be dark. Room light before bedtime.
Suppresses melotonin by seventy one percent and shortens your internal
night by ninety minutes. Now these statistics, I will have
links on all of them. I got links citing all
this stuff, so I know statistics, and damn statistics shut
out to Mark Twain, but so believe it or not,
it's okay. I'll have receipts on this, and it's if

(13:35):
it's not close, it's because of a hallucination. But anyway,
so moonlight isn't as bright as indoor lighting, but it's
enough to shift the circadian pace, especially when it persists
across multiple nights. Your brain expects melotonein serves and circadian reset.
Instead it gets extended twilight. This creates a liminal neurological state,
not quite day, not quite night. The Wild Hunt that

(13:55):
ghostly possession procession of spirits and other worldly beings was
said to ride during the Hunter's moon. Maybe what people
saw wasn't spirits but the hypnogogic intrusions that happen when
moonlight prevents proper sleep architecture for nights on end. We'll
leave it there. This gets better and better, and it
layers more and more, including of course the fact that
not only is it changing and it's nice and cool here.

(14:17):
It was a lovely day weatherwise in Vegas. As I've
been saying, thank goodness, no more roasting. My Godad's off.
It's not the best when you're out there in one
hundred and ten degrees. However, it's certainly changing a lot
of things, and I detect a I don't know, do
you feel it? Do you feel a change in the air?
Really becomes the second question as part of this larger context,

(14:39):
and we'll get to the rest, but I'm gonna make
the case tonight that beyond the Witching hour, there's also
this liminal space happening, not just with the veil thinning
as has been described in the esoteric ways of old,
but our actual chemistry is changing in this space to
crave those sweets. Anybody eating too much Halloween candy? Are

(15:01):
I am? I am missus strange. Bought a bag and
I'm gobbling the hell out of that thing. Like I've
never eaten candy in my life, and I don't even
eat candy. I go all year long and I don't.
People offer me a candy at work and I say, no,
thank you. I don't eat candy, and I'm just gobbling
the hell out of it. So what the hell's going
on with this? And why is it we call this
sort of the beginning of eating season, right, and this

(15:23):
whole bit, it's just a strange thing. How even our
different different behaviors become locked into this space of well,
I don't know what comes next. I don't know anyway.
So we're starting that tonight beyondly witching hour. I'm calling
it a soul cake surprise. We'll get to the soul
cake as we go. But think about that eating aspect
and sort of that comfort food and the weird changing

(15:45):
of not just the geomatic magnetic storms, the time changes
which is coming at the end of the month here
and all the rest of the stuff which is weird
and tends to throw us off of our base of
normal operation. Now do you think it affects us? And
do you think this is a large your societal shamanic journey.
That's what's on my mind tonight. Love to hear what
you have to say. Seven oh two nine one zero

(16:07):
three seven Click the discord link of Trouble Minds dot rug.
Thanks for being patient, my man. Let's go to James Salcido.
What's up you are on Trouble Minds. How are you served?
Thanks for being patient? Go right ahead.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
I'm okay, glad to be here in cake.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
That good cake you had me at Cake. But this
is a soul cake though, James it's different. You sure
you want a soul cake?

Speaker 4 (16:28):
I mean, I guess I should find out what's in
it first, you know, But yeah, I mean yeah I
probably should. I guess I wait and see what it's about.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Okay, okay, all right, well I'll ask you the question
to get the end. Welcome to the join. What's on
your mind? You right ahead?

Speaker 4 (16:44):
The time of the morning of the yeah, the morning,
and then also the the way that we change physically
on all the different levels. I do think it is
connected to the veil or whatever we think of as
the veil. Just that time of the morning alone. As

(17:07):
you know, there's just so many reports from people about
paranormal experiences, and not even just paranormal in terms of
ghosts or spirits or uh of course the common one
and everything is demons, you know, the idea, but also
in some cases lights coming from the sky, not the moonlight,

(17:30):
other lights and entering and leaving people's homes and things.
So it's that time of morning. Is it's not so
much that everything happens at that time, but there is
a lot that does happen in that that part of
the morning is really, if you think about it, it's

(17:50):
it's so in between, uh sleep in the middle of
that sleep phase. For a lot of people, it's because
some people will stay until midnight, but then they'll go
to bed, and then of course some people will get
up at six or seven in the morning. So it
is right there in the middle of everything.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, it's a it is a strange time. And me,
I've said this before, I'm of the night shift. I'm
a night off. I didn't have to wake up for work.
I get up around you know, maybe ten to seven
or something like that, quarter to seven. In that space.
If I didn't actually wake up because of work, I
would stay up till three or four. I'd wake up
at maybe nine or ten. You know, it just was

(18:30):
sort of my natural cycle. And I'm more productive late
at night, I mean, less intereruptions. My brain seems to
just catch fire with ideas. And again back to where
we started with this article. You know, the human mind
isn't meant to be awake past midnight, scientists warn ah ah,
which seems ridiculous and crazy, but I mean, you know,
it's clickbait season, of course, twenty four hours a day,

(18:50):
and it's also that time of the year. So yeah, anyway,
go ahead.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
What'll you got, Yeah, I mean, just for myself, theres
some or no because they see me active on discord
at two or three in the morning. Sometimes that's usually
how late. I stay up until anywhere from three till
four or five in the morning a lot of days.
And then I get up at like seven or eight

(19:15):
or nine, depending on im because I'm legally blind and
my eyes bother me, so I usually don't get like
six or more hours sleep at one time. But yeah, so,
and I feel the same way about that that time,
I'm more usually more productive and or I'm more interested
in doing things when I can at that time. And

(19:37):
so yeah, and then, like I said, the I do
think that that a lot of what is considered paranormal
can have or does have reasons for it in the
physical world. It's just that they haven't all been discovered yet.
I really do think that's part of it, and some comfort.
Some of these reasons are within us and some are

(19:59):
outside of us, and I think you command all of
that together, and that can cause a lot of things
happen that that are not easy to explain even today.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, which is exactly the point of tonight and very
well said all that, because how much of this do
you think is you know, the change and the weather,
the change and all the stuff we're talking the right
up is very good. It's a little dense with statistics
and some kind of making the case, which is not
normally what I do, but I thought it was enough
compelling stuff there to be like, okay, let's just leave
it in as it is, not rewrite it as pros

(20:29):
and kind of leave it as making the case for
the let's say, the time that's changing, The weather and
all the rest is obviously measurable. But the change within
us as part of it, sort of those neurochemical changes
of ourselves, certainly is a little bit more ambiguous because
we don't know exactly what to measure. Everybody's a little different,

(20:50):
everybody's affected differently by different things, but as usual, right
in a larger context of society. I do wonder if
the veil is this larger shamanic societal ritual, which is
what's on my mind tonight. What else you got, James,
got a few minutes left. If you got anything else, well.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
First of all, I'm happy to sit and if that's
okay on this one, because it is a big topic.
Thank you, And yeah, the the energy itself to me
is fascinating and lit, but the electromatic field and all
that fluctuations, because the big thing with that kind of
or that em energy is that it is said to

(21:31):
do two things. If it's if there's a lot of
this energy around, it's said to either make us feel
like we are experiencing being watched or experiencing paranormalativity. But
also it's said to possibly generate paranormalativity. So there's a
paradox there with that energy. And if you take that

(21:52):
into account with people's emotions and being said and thought
that people when they have emotions and they go through
heightened emotions, they can generate energy around them, and sometimes
they can end up manipulating objects around them and intentionally.
Then why wouldn't there be things happening at at that

(22:13):
time in the night in the morning where you are
thinking about things that you may not think about during
the day when you are more active.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, exactly, And like I said, my brain just works
better at night. It's just it's why we do this
show at night. It's you know, I've done a daily
news show in the daytime around two pm or something,
and it's fine, but it's not it's not a creative thing.
It's sort of just reading the news and kind of
you know, light commentary on the news, but certainly the
creative mind for me kicks in late and to me,

(22:42):
I'm two different people. Like I'm you know, business in
the front, party in the back, as they say, with
the mullet, turning my brain from you know, a business
mic to a creative mic. It's a weird thing. It's
a weird transition, but it's always been that way for me,
you know, whether I'm working or not or you know
how professional I am with my alien face and my

(23:02):
nice hair whatever, right, Like, this is the type of
stuff that makes you go, well, am I the only
one experiencing this? And this is why it's important to
talk to other people about these wild ideas. About forty five.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Seconds, Yeah, and I don't think you're the only one.
I think the biggest thing is that it's whether or
not people feel comfortable enough to talk about these things
as always, and whether or not they find people that
they feel they can talk about these things with them.
So yeah, looking forward to the rest of the show.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
You are the best you know, and you love him.
That's James Salcido, who'll be sitting with us tonight, the
paranormal expert of Troubled Minds. Go check out his podcast,
his radio show. Go check out the books he's written.
Check out the merch suites has got a link to
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Did we link that to your website?

Speaker 6 (23:51):
James, Yes, we did. Okay, so okay, so that's the video,
but the merch story is there yet? Okay, so the
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was a minute when we did it. Please follow our
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Speaker 4 (24:05):
S I d O.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Paranormal dot com. Go check it out everything. His books
are there, his podcast, the radio show. Everything's on that website,
so go check it out. And his merch store, Sweets
helped them put up some new some new merch too,
which is pretty cool Halloween season, and of course, the
paranormal expert of Trumbled Minds, you would expect him to
have some some Halloween merch, So shout out to Sweets
for helping make that happen. So, yeah, what do you

(24:28):
think your Halloween stuff, what's your favorite part of it?
And then the other question as part of this is simply, uh,
have you ever felt uniquely off or haunted during October nights?
And do you think it's more Carl Young or more
Carl Sagan. That's what it's on my mind tonight. If
you want to be part of the conversation, seven oh
two nine one zero three seven. That's seven oh two

(24:51):
nine seven one zero three seven. Click to Discordlanke at
Troubleminds dot org. Be right back, more on the way,
see you on the other side of the break. Don't
go anywhere. Welcome back to Troubled Minds. I'm your host,

(25:29):
Michael Strange. We're streaming on YouTube or rumble, x, Twitch
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we're on eighty eight point four FM Auckland, New Zealand,
and tonight's tonight What's up, margisd theref un Rumble Tonight.
Could October really be a time when reality's usual boundaries slip,

(25:52):
leaving us exposed to strange moods, unfiltered perceptions, and ancient instincts.
Is it possible that the darkening season, the restless nights,
and our old rituals aren't just stories but clues to
a deeper truth about human consciousness. And basically, as we
go tonight, I'll be slowly making the case that it's
not Halloween itself, It's not the season itself, it's how

(26:16):
we react to it. It's our sort of neurochemical change
from the summertime to pass, the autumn equinox, when everything's
in an equilibrium as the darkness takes hold, and I
think it does have an actual chemical change in people.
And that's the case I'm making tonight, slowly as we go,

(26:38):
and love to hear your thoughts on this as usual,
you know me, I'm just the reason I do this
is to talk to people and get ideas and consider
maybe what we're missing, or maybe commiserate or maybe have
somebody say I don't think you're on the right trail
at all, Mike, which is completely fine too. That's why
we do this to talk to each other and we
can disagree and still be friends tomorrow. That's what this

(26:59):
is all. About here your thoughts seven or two nine
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dot Org. Back to James, I have that question for you,
my man. What is your favorite part about Spooky Season?

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Well, I think it's the the fact that their people
are in general, are a little more a little more
open to the ideas that we talk about here and
and on my own podcasts well Sauciedo Paranormal. They're a
little more open to that in a lot of cases
during this time of year then they they can be

(27:36):
at other times of the year. That's my favorite part.
All the decorations and all that are They're amazing to
look at. It's not something I'm really into doing myself.
But and of course, I mean I have no problem
technically with the candy, even though I do, but I don't.
I think everyone knows what I mean. They're But yeah,

(27:57):
it's just the the openness to talk about these things
or to consider these possibilities, or at least to get
into them a little more. And nearly that's it, because
I'm not huge into like the whole horror movie phenomenon,
with the whole that kind of thing, which may sound
funny to some people. I prefer to read my horror

(28:18):
and be able to sort of tone things down if
I'm not so interested in certain aspects of a story
in my own mind. But yeah, so, just the openness
to talk about what's out there, what might be out
there at this time of the year.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, that's a good one too, because a lot of
people do think about these things, it's just not sort
of top of their mind. And for us, you know,
us weirdos, you know, being the paranormal expert you are,
and then me being sort of the semi pro weirdo
of doing just weird stuff as part of the show.
I mean, I'm always looking for not just inspiration, but
new things that I've never heard of that I can
learn about, that I can bring to you guys, and

(28:56):
hopefully you've never heard about it too, or know just
a little bit about it, and then we can talk
about this in the larger context of folklore and talk
about it in terms of history, and talk about it
in terms of what's coming next. It's yeah, so, I
mean for us, you and me, and you know, probably
most of the people to listen to this, a lot
of these ideas kind of bounce off you like water
off a duck because you've heard a lot of them,
or you know you're kind of into the idea of it,

(29:18):
or else you wouldn't be here. But you're right. People
are definitely the normies are more open to kind of
talking about this wild stuff by dark of night, as
I like to say, And yeah, welcome to it. So
the questions for you guys tonight again, what's your favorite
thing about Halloween? That's the first one too. Do you
think that we're actually what's the other question here? Let

(29:38):
me read this, let me get it right. B buh buh.
Have you ever felt uniquely off or haunted during October nights?
And then the premise of the show, of course, is
do you think it has less to do with sort
of the changing calendar and the weather and more to
do with some sort of neurochemical basis within our brains,

(29:58):
our collective brain, even the collective zeitgeist. We did talk
about this last week a little bit in this sense,
but very differently, And so I do wonder, Like I said,
read the write up if you're super interested in kind
of deep dive in here, and I'll even share the
perplexity sort of thread that I went through to get this,
but it's I think it's fascinating and I think we
are in a particular space where it remains unclear. It

(30:22):
remains unclear what sort of causes this, this hysteria, not
just a cultural impact, but the sort of legacy impact
of it that's been around forever. But we'll get to
the Soul cakes in a second here, But anything to
add James, and I'll get back to the ride up
to continue to make the case. As usual, guys, we
do this to include you. So if you want to
be part of the conversation, what do you love to hear?
What you think about Halloween, all Hallow's Eve, da Delos Martos,

(30:45):
all Soul's Day, A lot of things coming up. What
do you know about it?

Speaker 4 (30:48):
James?

Speaker 2 (30:49):
If you got anything else, go ahead, If not, I
got tons of stuff to get to.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
Well. I'm really curious about this time of year, and
I know this is what we're talking about here is
something more in because it's as new with the what
the planet, the orbit and the weather and all that changing.
I'm really curious because I know I've heard that in
the Southern Hemisphere the weather is can be the opposite.

(31:14):
Have not mistaken where it's when it's summer here, it's
winter down in the Southern hemisphere part of the world,
if I'm not mistaken. And so I'm just curious, is
there is there in let's say, March or April in
the southern half of the planet. Is that their version

(31:35):
of October? It is? I'm just curious about that now.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
It is shout out to Tambam. We haven't seen her
in a minute, but she lives in South Africa and
we've talked to her. And during Christmas time for her,
it's like the hot season. So they're like the dead
of summer for Christmas and they're just roasting their going
ads off down there. And oddly enough, right, a hot
Christmas to us seems ridiculous because it's the opposite. But yeah,
indeed that is exactly true. I have friends in the

(32:00):
Southern Hemisphere and that that's absolutely a thing.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
You're right, right, I thought so, And and that makes
me wonder about just the I mean, I think there's
cycles and cycles within cycles of almost everything. And you
have that in the weather, you have that in the
way that that comes and goes throughout the world. So

(32:22):
I wonder if all that energy shifting around can cause
different things to happen. The one other point I wanted
to make. The fascinating thing about being up or waking
up in the middle of the night is that a
lot of a lot of experiences I've heard and read about.

(32:42):
People will wake up in the middle of the night
around two or three or four in the morning, and
sometimes it will be for no apparent reason, and they
won't have anything going on, nothing, no operations or sounds
or whatever. They'll just wake up and and and nothing
will have at the time. But then there's other people

(33:03):
that will wake up not because they heard something necessarily,
but that like they sensed something and they will wake
up completely wake up and have an experience with something
that they can't explain after that. So that waking up
with that time is also fascinating. And how does that work?
And is it because of the energy and the way

(33:26):
it goes through our cells and our bodies and all that?

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, I would think so, And that that becomes again,
so that at scale is really what's on my mind tonight,
and how does it affect us beyond sort of a moment,
because I think the moment gets stretched into a larger
temporal space, as we like to call this, you know,
stretched out over time, that a spooky night or a
three am wake up, And everybody does this, right, It's

(33:51):
not just me, but we're pattern recognition experts as people,
of course. But you wake up and you look at
the clock and it's like three three three, right, or
it's two two to two or whatever it is, and
like this, this is the type of stuff people are
really watching for in a lot of ways. But the
problem becomes is that we again, you know, we as
bad being counters of our own psyche. We we also

(34:14):
don't recognize the times that you know, you wake up
and it's you know, three fifteen, or you know you
look at the clock and it's one one oh five
or whatever. Right, So we recognize the things that are
interesting and fascinating in synchronistic or whatever, but then beyond that,
we're such lousy being counters when it comes to ourselves
and biased and all the rest of that that as usual, right,

(34:34):
like look at me, I can look at me. I
can see things two ways, and I think it's a
very critical to look at things with a critical eye
when we sort of are dealing with their own human
bias Hirsch just got his hand up. We'll go to
him in a second. Hang type my friend, anything else
on that, James, and we'll go to Hirsch.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
I think the timing is a bad thing because people
will have again experiences. There's just one account I found
and I shared in my show a while ago, I believe,
where this family kept them waking up at a weird time.
It wasn't like it wasn't three point thirty three like
you would think, it was like three fifteen or something
like that, and they wouldn't have experiences at that time,
but they also had all kinds of other odd things

(35:13):
happening in their house, different at different times. So but
the waking up and then the noticing time is a
fascinating thing, and I do wonder how that works.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Indeed, Okay, straight from the right up. The autumn equinox
triggers seasonal neurochemical shifts and circadian disruption, which is what
I'm talking about. Tonight, day and night are in perfect balance.
September twenty first, when this scale tips from here forward,
darkness winds. As I said, every day brings more night
than day until the winter solstice. Less daylight means less

(35:45):
serotonin production. More melatonin, altered cortisol rhythms, mood drops, energy declines,
the body prepares for dormancy. Eclipse season often overlaps with equinox,
intensifying the sense of accelerated change in destabilization, report heightened
emotional sensitivity, introspection, and existential awareness during this period. This

(36:05):
is ego death on a seasonal scale, the dissolution of
the myth that you dictate terms. Nature dictates the Sun's
arc across the sky, It dictates the tilt of Earth's axis,
dictates your militonin production, Cortisol rhythms, serotonin availability, all governed
by forces beyond conscious control. And that's really the basis

(36:29):
for tonight. It's deep and it goes. I'll get into
more of this and we'll get into soul cakes as well,
because I think it's an important aspect of this, because
it's where well, it's in the title soul cake Surprise.
We'll get there, So hang tight, don't be so quick
to want a soul cake. Love to hear your thoughts though.
We do this to take your calls at seven O
two nine five seven one zero three seven Click to

(36:50):
discord link at Troubledminds dot Org, we'll put you on
the show. This is easy as that. Appreciate you popping
in here. Let's go to Herschel in Arizona. What's up,
my man, Herschel Sterling. You're on trouble minds, are you, sir?
And go right ahead.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
I'm doing okay.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
This is good.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Like synchronicity with James's comments, I uh, during that last
full moon, like you're right up. The right up talks
about how you know melatonin is depleted when the really
bright moon is out, and that explains what happened. Like

(37:27):
I usually go to bed between nine thirty and ten,
and I wake up between four and four thirty, and
it's like a clock, like I don't I don't get
I don't wake up. Once I fall asleep, I'm I'm
as sleep until I wake up. Pretty much every day
during that full moon stretch that we had, those those

(37:50):
three or four like really bright nights, I kept waking
up at one fifteen and I didn't I couldn't figure
out why. I didn't put it together with the moon.
I didn't until I read the write up, you know,
And I kept waking up and I couldn't figure out why.
And that was really interesting. But then and I also

(38:13):
had a couple of those nights, I had really vivid
and very positive dreams, like really kind of affirming dreams
that were people being encouraging and friendly and like supportive
and stuff like that, and me also like getting things
off my chest with people from my past, like telling

(38:34):
them things I needed to tell them. Like it was
really positive for me. But on two of those nights,
I'd wake up at one fifty and I'd look at
my phone to see what time it was, and I'm like,
why am I waking up? I never wake up like
this is a bummer. I was bummed out. I'm laying there,

(38:55):
and then I would hear noises. I heard it one night. Now,
first of all, in this house where I live, I
take care of the house I take I'm a caretaker.
I take care of several properties, and I live in
one of the properties that I take care. I woke
up and in this house, I do hear noises from

(39:17):
time to time, usually in the morning, sometime between ten
and ten thirty. Sometimes it's only happened a few times,
but I hear footsteps upstairs in the house and there's
nobody there, and it's footsteps it's not the house settling.
There's a difference, I know, the difference between like noisy footsteps,

(39:37):
like somebody's carrying a bunch of items and they're hustling
across the floor, and I go upstairs and there's nobody.
There's that happens here. That's happened here a few times,
but it happened just recently twice in like four days.
And then the one night that I woke up at

(39:58):
one point fifteen, I'm just laying there. I hear a
noise on the floor ten feet not ten feet from
my bed. It sounded like a horse hoof or just
like a cane or a piece of wood, just like
knocking really loud on the floor. And I'll turn the
light on. There's obviously nobody there. And then there's a

(40:19):
door in this room that goes to a back area,
like a utility area, and I heard that same noise
in there, muffled by the door, and then it echoed
off into the you know, it echoed more like it
was like more spacious sound.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Me.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
I'd never ever heard that noise before. And then the
next night I woke up again at one point fifteen
and I'm just laying there and I heard like more noises,
like somebody was doing something in a utility room, like
somebody was working at on the workbench or something. You know,
obviously there's like nobody there. I wake up, I get out,

(41:00):
I turned the light on and there's nobody there. So
like that happened, and that right up really made me.
It kind of explained maybe explained some of that, some
of the activity. But I'm going to be talking to
the owners this week and I'm going to find out.
I'm going to be very I'm going to ask cautiously
if they've ever had these experiences here, you know, because

(41:22):
maybe I'm the first person to hear this.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Yeah, but don't be so weird to get fired. They
don't want to super Weirding cautiously is a good way
to build that exactly.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
I will be tactful about it. In fact, what I'll
do is I've a story I read, or I'll just
make something up where it's like, you know, I wonder
about haunted houses. It's the Halloween time. I wonder about
haunted houses. I wonder about noises and tell I'll tell
them stories about other places that I've lived where I've
heard noises. You know, and maybe they'll bring it up themselves.

(41:55):
I'll try to get them to I'll try to weasel
an answer out of them out being direct, you know.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yeah, yeah, well it turn turns into a full blown up.
Oh yeah, this has been haunted for at least one
hundred years. We've got stories going back. It wouldn't surprise
me a little bit. But because again back to what
James said a couple of nights ago, to human resonant energy, Like,
there's an important aspect to this that not just let's
say the energy itself, but the telling, telling and retelling
of these stories. I think this is as powerful as

(42:25):
anything that we deal with in terms of, you know,
hauntings and things like this fire stuff. What else you got?

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Oh, I don't know if I had much else than that,
you know. I just I wanted to kind of affirm
what the write up was about, you know, because I
think that explained why I was waking up, like I
was a melotone and seventy percent decrease in melotone and
when the moon is bright, I had no idea. That's
probably why I will cope.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah. Remember, fascinatingly, I think we did a show on
this a week ago, ten days ago, so where it
was sort of the Halloween moon during the first first
week a couple of days of October. And it was
strange because whether you're in the moonlight or not, even
if you're in a completely dark space, it still affects you,

(43:15):
which is which is again a very weird thing because
it totally shouldn't. They say, the blue light stuff and
you know, the blue blockers and the turn your devices
off and the rest of that stuff like that clearly
would affect you. But beyond that sort of in a
darkened space where you don't get moonlight whatsoever, yet still
this stuff affects us pretty wild.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Well, I get moonlight in this room and I like it,
but it's never done that. Usually I fall asleep and
that's it. I'm done for the day, like until more
until I wake up. But my time, of my really
good time is that right when I wake up between
four and five, like that few hours couple three hours

(43:58):
before the sun comes up. That's my nighttime. Like that's
what you talk about, your really creative time. That's my
really creative time.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
That's what I do.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
I do not have a story tonight, but we'll see
how the next Halloween stories come along. I do have
a really scary story that I wrote, but we'll see
what the subject matter of the upcoming shows are and
if it fits in, I'll read it. But it is scary,
a forewarning. It is not it's different than other stories

(44:30):
I've written, but I don't I'm not afraid to read it.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
I'm not afraid to hear it.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
We'll just see, we'll see what the subject is like,
and then I'll decide whether I should read it or not.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Okay, we can. We can set one up. You want
to do a scary stories to tell the.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Dark everything, Let's let the synchronicity happen. If it's going
to happen, let's do that.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
I like that better.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Okay, that's better too. That clicks and plays with these
conversations as well. Absolutely right on, Yeah, it probably will probably.
Well that wouldn't surprise me if it does. Okay, so
no hints. I'll we'll do a double blind here and
then watch me draw it out of the ether, because
I have my ways of drawing things out of the
ether asynchronistically. You do from time to time, anything for

(45:15):
James or anything for herschel. Well, we got them on here.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
James.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
Oh, just that's amazing that that you had those experiences here.
So I've had experiences in an apartment where I will
hear random knocks and bumps, and this is a not
a wood constructed building and it's just and sometimes I
can I can trace them from outside. Other times they're

(45:43):
inside and different right nearby, and I have no idea
why they happen.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
So this is a stone floor that's most solid, and
it was a wooden sound. It was not the house settling, right,
I mean it was it was something something just like
it sounded like a horse hoof or a big sturdy
piece of wood, like some kind of a like a

(46:10):
uh like a staff or something sounding like just yeah,
echoed in the back room. When it hit in the
back room, it made the same noise but muffled by
the door. But it also like it had more of
an echo. We kind of a it kind of echoed
off into the distance when it was very real, and

(46:33):
I'm like, what is up, Like, what's up with that
noise like that? There's nothing here to make that noise, Like,
there's nothing that would that would create that resonance right here.
It doesn't it's not here like, but it was here, like, yeah,

(46:55):
that's scary. I'm not scared, I'm not afraid of I'm
seeing realms. I feel protected and safe, and so it's
just more of a mysterious thing, you know. Yeah, and
you're not the only person I've ever heard having a
similar experience where someone's the floor in their space is

(47:17):
stone or it's like a linoleum, but they'll hear a
sound of something hitting a different kind of surface. Some
people in certain cases, we'll have carpeted floors and still
here footsteps as if they had a wooden floor.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
So it really is wow. So thank you for sharing that,
of course.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Of course, well good night everybody, and great let's have
some good calls and buy the moon and the solar
flares having an effect that was also part of write
off good right up today and you know, and whether
you're exposed to a light or not, all right, it

(48:02):
still affects you. And we got these solar flowers are
going to be hitting right soon, so they're on the way. Yeah,
we might have some stories to tell them next week.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Strap in, it's about to get weird. You're the best brother,
Appreciate the folk call and we'll talk to you soon.
Have a great night.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Good night, everybody, take care.

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get is kicked off and well we're talking about again
this the weird change in what's happening here. And so
I'm onto something. I think I'm onto something, and this
may or may not be novel. I don't like, you know,
I don't really care in those terms. I'm not trying
to like, you know, but breaking news, like I don't

(49:52):
really care about that. But sometimes there are ideas that
kind of flow through and get forgotten, and so it
doesn't necessarily have to be novel. But let's say something
a forgotten idea, delved from the past. And suddenly when
you start to look at a lot of the information
that's in the write ups, night again Troubled Minds newsletter.
Check that out It's fascinating to consider that our mind

(50:13):
is some sort of neurochemical alchemy, and in this particular
mind space of the changing weather and the changing time,
it has little to do with something metaphysical, and it
has everything to do with us in a chemical aspect.
I don't know, maybe maybe not as usual.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
You tell me.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
I'm not the arbiter of truth. It's too easy to
just say, well, this or that's the truth. What are possibilities?
Love to hear your thoughts seven oh two nine five
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Let's try it again. Damn it all right. Love to

(50:54):
hear what you think beyondly which you know soul cake surprise.
We'll get into what soul cakes are when we get back,
because this is important here because of course eating season
has arrived. Be right back more with James, more of
your calls as well. See you on the other side
of the break. Welcome back to the Troubled Minds. I'm

(51:34):
your host, Michael Strange. We're streaming on YouTube, rumble x,
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Hour Soul Cake Surprise. We'll get to what that means
in a second air. But the question is this could

(51:54):
October really be a time when realities usual boundaries slip,
leaving us exposed to strain moods, unfiltered perceptions, and ancient instincts. Now,
I'm kind of looking at this in the inversionism way,
and I like that. I like that term. I know
it's not a word, but I'm using it because there's
a there's a guy on an X called a I
think I think it's it's his handle is inversionism. I'll

(52:16):
find it anyway. But he posts some stuff like we
talk about, you know, he's kind of a one of
our type of weirdos. And I mean that in a
nice way, and so I use that term. But what
I'm talking about is the inversion of the the esoteric
idea and looking at this in the modern sense, meaning
that as the veil thins and we march inextorably on

(52:36):
toward All Hallow's Eve. As I like to say, However,
what if it's more sort of neurochemical, What if it's
it's like alchemy. What if these things are science and
not sort of ritual ancient stuff, or of course, is
this a space where all of those things come together.
I don't know, as usual, look, and I think I

(52:57):
think nobody knows at this point. You could probably make
some compelling narrative cases where maybe you know, you could
kind of fill in the blanks and you know, do
with this or do with that. But I think I
think that it's yet to be determined, to be determined.
So what do you know about it? I love to
hear your thoughts. Are we sort of in the space

(53:18):
of not the veil thinning, but sort of our mind
being mixed with these weird chemical components that we're not
used to because of the way the weather, the weather
tips and turns, and the light and all the moons
and the again the geomagnetic field stuff. And again maybe
just maybe All Hallows Eve isn't about the veil at all.

(53:39):
Maybe it's more Carl Young than it is Carl Sagan,
and I love that term. I love to talk about
things in that way. I love to hear your thoughts.
Seven O two ninety five seven one three seven tight
one second, mats out. We'll get to you in a moment.
To James, anything to add and we'll go to Matzow.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Just a great call from hersche Herschel And uh, yeah,
I do think that you know there is I think
there can be many veils, and one of them I
think is in mind. And if thoughts are somehow generated
by biology, or at least associated with it, then why

(54:16):
couldn't there be veils in our own brains, not just
with ideas, but just with picking up on other energies.
And some people are better than others in some places.
Sometimes you go places and it doesn't matter how good
you are, there's just things that happen. So and again,
is that connected to our biology in some way that
we don't know yet?

Speaker 2 (54:37):
I would think so. And that's exactly the point of
talking about these ideas together, because I'm pointing out maybe
some things we missed or didn't miss or whatever. Like
I said, I've added the moon to the phase of
the moon to my watch because it, like I wonder
about things you know, Like I'll tell you what, the
drivers out there are crazier than ever. And in the
rite of it's kind of sights that that October is

(55:00):
one of the highest months in the year for car accidents.
And like I saw like people screaming on the road today,
like screaming at like a stoplight, and just some of
the most wild stuff you've ever seen. It's an interesting
life being on the road. Anyway, What do you think
about all of this? And again, your favorite your favorite
part of Halloween? Your favorite part of this whole idea

(55:22):
of sowing and the veil thinning and the weather changing,
and is it's more Carl Sagan or more Carl Young
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Matt's what's her brother? How are you tonight? Welcome to
the joint, Go right ahead, Hey guys, good yall, Thank

(55:46):
you very much, loud and clear coming through. What's on
your mind? What do you got for us tonight? Lots
of ways to take this as usual.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Yeah, I was just thinking about how like at this
time of the year. When you go out, you look
around and you see, you know, the world, the earth
is slowing down, and the plants, the trees are you
know faitning whin dying things. We need to need to
be a harvest season to harvest all the crops before

(56:15):
they die. And you think of it as like you know,
life or death or like a slow part of the
We call it the dark time of the year. And
people always called like Halloween or sown is, like they
call it the which is new year. Well we don't
mean it like new year, but we need the new

(56:35):
year of the dark half of the year. And so
we look at it like that. We see you can
see the Indian yang and the opposite. You know, you know,
we don't see death as I sad. We honor it,
so we remember the ancestors and things like that. But
if you think in six months from now and they

(56:58):
talk about how the veilists, then on Halloween, and it's
funny to me, I thought about this. How come like
here in the West we celebrate all hals Eve the
night of Halloween, whereas other cultures and other places in
the world they celebrate the day the day of the
Dead on November first, and just looking at other cultures

(57:21):
and how they perceive it into how they do it.
But if you look at what we have on October
thirty first, if you fast forward six months, you'll have
May first, which is another big festival that we celebrate
called Beltank, and that's you know, for spring, it's the

(57:42):
exact opposite. It's without death. There cannot be life without life,
there cannot be death. Are you following me?

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And so again the Great Wheel,
all this stuff we're always talking about, but it's incredibly
important because if right now, in this moment, we're talking
about sort of the neurochemical changes in our brain as
part of you know, coming in past the autumn equinox
and to sow in in this this season, then certainly
something similar happens on the other yin and yang aspect,
on the opposite space of this, as you're describing very

(58:12):
smartly here, and so as usual where this comes in
for me and the things I talk about and think about,
are these these hidden control mechanisms, the things that we
sort of take for granted as cyclical changes that we're like, oh,
they don't affect us that much, How could they However,
I do wonder like how deep does this go and
how weird does it get? And I think statistically, as

(58:34):
we get more and more data on different things, different
aspects again, car accidents and you know, all kinds of
weird stuff. As this starts to really kind of bake
into the big data aspect, I think we're going to
be surprised that there's we're more controlled by this great
wheel than we ever dreamed. And that yin and yang
aspect is a huge part.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Yeah, I feel it is something that affects us year
and thinking about the polarity and thinking about the yin
yan yang. I was thinking about this. It's a little off,
but it fits. Here is in healing, they have a
thing called meridians, the meridian lines, and anyone interested in healing,

(59:19):
if you look that up, it's pretty interesting. The meridian
lines are these energy lines through our body and they're
connected to each organ and by stimulating these lines you
can help heal. You know, you've probably seen this stuff
like at the mall where you see like reflexology, like
the map of your feet and all that, but there's

(59:42):
meridian lines go through your whole body and they also
have a yin and a yang, a starting point and
an ending point, and each of these lines lines through
our body as he heals, and so I kind of
see that as like maybe these these points are like
the in lines for the earth. It's a little out there,

(01:00:04):
but looking into that actings can see how how it's
affecting us.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
I don't think it's out there at all. It's a
it's an acupuncture, it's a what's the thing called riky reiki?

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
I mean this is this is the type of stuff
that they've been talking about forever and again we mirror
our environment and so you know, you are what you
eat this type of stuff. So I don't think it's
out there at all. I think you're spot on with
really what we're looking at and maybe why this affects
us more than we ever dreamed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Yeah, I think if you're interested in that, look up,
look at meridian lines, and it's all about healing and
moving through the body. Is there anyone behind me?

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
No, we got we got plenty of time. Whatever you got,
go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
I think I'm done. I think this is a good show.
There's a lot here, but just talking about Halloween and
and saloing and how I think the way that they
the way that they celebrated, you know, passing down understanding
why why they did the things they did. Why did
they celebrate, you know, do it this way? Like why

(01:01:11):
did they car you know, make pumpkins? You know they
had to have a light in their little jackelant and
there a little you know, a little they made a
little candle, so they carved it out of a pumpkin.
Things like this, Why do we trick or treat? Is
that stuff in the right up as well?

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Yeah, I got a little blurder. Let me read that actually,
and then let me get your comment on that antig
one second. So this is the next part where it
gets into this where exactly this stuff starts to happen.
Cultural rituals and these encode practices that manipulate consciousness towards
these liminal states. Right, so we're not just feeling the
neurochemical aspect of it, we're kind of feeding it with
these rituals. The original jaque lanterns weren't pumpkins. They were

(01:01:49):
turn ups, carved with grotesque faces and lit with embers
from sacred sow and fires. As Matt was saying, the
purpose ward off evil spirits during the night when the
veil thinned these decorations. They were protective devices placed at thresholds, doorsteps, windows, boundaries.
The carved face was meant to terrify, to scare away
wandering entities. The Jack of Lantern's light represents consciousness, a

(01:02:13):
small flame preventing total darkness, but not dispelling it completely.
It holds the liminal space and exactly like you were
saying there, and it's a it's interesting when you kind
of dig into some of the stuff. And we've talked
about the history of Halloween in the past, you know,
we're kind of past that, the rookie one oh one
stuff when it comes to well, what is Halloween? Right,
we don't do that anymore because we're you know, been

(01:02:35):
doing this for years for fear of repeating ourselves too
many times. And this gets into soul cakes as well,
you know, anything on that on that that this light
of consciousness putting these things out, the turnips that turn
into the jack of lanterns and then the soul cakes
and any take on that. If you don't, that's cool,
because I'm gonna I'm gonna get into that in just
a minute here.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
On the soulcakes. I've as seen as like an offering
at the end of versual. Sometimes we'll do a thing.
It's we call it cakes and ale. It's where you know,
you some people will like bake some bread or some cakes.
Most of the time I use like bulls of crew,
but we'll have a little thing where we'll pass around,

(01:03:16):
you know, your bread like kind of like the body
body of the blood of Christ. You know, you can
say something to your ancestors or your gods and take
a bite of the food and then crumble it up
onto the ground, and then you take a drink of
your wine or sip or your whatever. It doesn't have

(01:03:36):
to wine, whatever drinking, and then you pour it out,
and you know, it kind of reminds me of like
four the Homies. You pour it out on the ground.
It's honoring. It's a it's a way of like honoring
those who passed before us. And I think that that's
really what this dark time is all about. I think
it's about honoring and remembering the people that passed before us,

(01:03:58):
and not so much about and death itself. Knowing that,
you know, is a part of life, and that's what
we'd have to like respect and honor it instead of
be afraid of it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Yeah, I have a great call. You were the best.
Appreciate you very much. I was about to say the
same thing that pours him out for your homies. It's
like a ritual remembrance, and you beat me to the
punch there. But we our minds are in the same place.
Prett usual, you were the best. Appreciate the call. Tell
Lacy we said Hi. Always a pleasure my man. Thanks
for staying up late with us, and we'll talk to
you soon. Thanks, makee good night, a great night.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
We love him. That's a Matt's Allen, California. Matthew in California.
Temple of the Owl is the name of his podcast.
And the great thing about what he's doing over there,
and again, this is the beauty of all of these things,
how all these spaces come together, all these different creative
people look at things a little bit differently. He's got
a massive esoteric book collection that he's going through. He's
reading these things, and then he's sort of synthesizing these
ideas for the modern age for twenty twenty five, for

(01:04:54):
twenty twenty four, twenty twenty three, as long as he's
been doing it and kind of cooking is into his podcast.
And that's again one of the most valuable resources, like
James does too, is that we need to start looking
at the print because the Internet is dying. They're going
to kill the Internet very as quick as possible, because well,

(01:05:14):
it's how we talk to each other, right, and as usual,
they don't want us talking to each other at all,
and that becomes the problem when we deal with authoritarianism
and all the rest of this stuff. But if you're
synthesizing old ideas from esoteric books and putting them into
a podcast, what better way than to go check out
Temple of Theout dot com, follow Matt's all over there

(01:05:35):
or trouble Minds dot org for sized friends. Scroll down
just a little bit and it's alphabetical. It says follow
Matt's out. It's alphabetical, like I said, and you'll find
his podcast, Temple of the Out dot com. Please check
that out. It's a It's very good. Every time I
listen to it, it is fantastic and he's on point.
And this is why we do this, to collaborate and
meet other people and consider other ideas. James anything else,

(01:05:58):
I'm gonna get the soul cakes right now. Well, so
we can put that one to bed and know what
we're talking about tonight. But anything to add to what
Mattsu said, and I'll get the soul cakes in just
a second here.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
Yeah, I totally agree, great confliment, that's how excuse me.
I totally agree that it is more about the honoring
of those that have passed than anything else overall, at
least I think I feel like it should be. And
of course, as usual as time has gone on, there's
been more and more sort of commercialism, capitalism, just monetizing everything,

(01:06:36):
and in the process of that, like you see with
so much paranormal, it's all about as far as the
companies are concerned, it's all about everything should be frightening,
All things paranormal, all things unusual, unexplained, unexpected, should be frightening,
should be evil, should be terrifying. And that's a big

(01:06:57):
part of what I have a problem with when it
comes to all that, is that because it should be
more about remembering our past and learning from it and
learning from those that have come John before us.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Yeah, well said, well said, And it is easy to
get away from that sort of the spirit of the season, right,
and the spirit of the season is nature, it is humanity,
it is these great cycles we find ourselves in and
trying to make order out of chaos. That's what it's
all about. And so yeah, well said all that fantastic stuff.

(01:07:29):
Well here you guys, lots of you have any takes
on this? What do you know about the larger conversation?
What do you love about Halloween? I do like to
hear those takes as well. What makes this a season
that's interesting to you and compelling to you? I think
there's a lot here. Okay, So back to the write
up now, So in the title as always clicking there,

(01:07:49):
Sorry about that nervous clicking my thing. So beyond the
witchy now, I'm calling this soul cake surprise Now what
is the soulcake? Thank you matts O for adding the
context there on how you guys do the soul cake?
And that's cool. I love that this came from the
rite up again from a perplexity deep dive. I've got
the receipts on this, so if you want to follow

(01:08:10):
up on me, I will drop this in the after
show chat, which is another good reason why you should
join the discord. If you have not, because a lot
of the information that I delve out for these things
I do put in the discord afterward. Then you get
a lot of additional information. But anyway, and it's free,
by the way, discord free, chat client, voice client completely free. Anyway.
So soul cakes straight from the right up here. That's
where trick or treating actually starts. During Sowin and later

(01:08:34):
All Soul's Day or All Saints Day, people left food
offerings on doorsteps to ward off malevolent spirits. Children and
the poor would go door to door singing and praying
for the dead in exchange for soul cakes. The soulars
often more disguises, long black cloaks, masks, costumes, mimicking spirits

(01:08:59):
and witches. The logic by dressing is the dead you
become invisible to them, or you become their representative, collecting
offerings on their behalf. Either way, the costume creates boundary dissolution.
You're no longer fully yourself, no longer fully other your threshold.

(01:09:22):
Modern Halloween preserves this but sanitizes it. As James was saying,
the commercialism stuff. Kids dress as monsters, but it's play.
The underlying structure remains, you disguise yourself as something other.
You go to thresholds, you demand offerings, and if you
don't receive them, consequences follow. And the old day is consequences.

(01:09:44):
Was you know, gen X, we just tpe your house
or whatever, right, I mean, you know it might have
happened that night, but you know, you give us a
few a few days, maybe a week, ten days, and
your house is going to get tpeed, right. I mean
that's the old that's the old way. Back when I
was a kid, we walked the school in the in
the snow, up till both ways whatever, anyway, you get

(01:10:05):
the you get the meaning here. There were consequences. It
was that trick or treat aspect. It was harmless fun. Okay, however,
speaking of which, as an aside, did you guys see
that there's like a this happened recently to some some
guy that's like an older guy older than me. I
say old older just meaning older than me. I think
he's like sixty sixty five something like that, and it's

(01:10:26):
it's going viral on social media and he's like his
house got teepee and like toilet. For those youngsters who
don't know what the hell I'm talking about. You take
rolls of toilet paper and you run them around they're
trees and their front, you know, and you make make

(01:10:46):
a mess, right, you make a mess, and if if
you have water, you put the water on it so
it makes it worse, right or whatever. So it's a
pain in the bud to get out. It looks terrible,
and you know you've been a target of the neighborhood
miscreants or whatever. Right. However, the funny part and why
this went viral is because he was celebrating this. This
old guy, I say again affectionately, just older than myself.

(01:11:08):
I'm an old guy too.

Speaker 7 (01:11:11):
He was.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
He was like, I'll see if I can dig this up.
But it was hilarious. I watched this a few days ago.
But he was celebrating it because he was like finally, right,
like finally, like the kids aren't scrolling TikTok. They're out
in the world making mischief as they should be. He
was talking about gen X and stuff and the way
the way we used to do things, and and and

(01:11:33):
by the way, by the way, he's right, he's right.
Anything on that, James, you got to know anything about
TPING or the gen X story there, and I'll get
more into the soul cakese hero ins act.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
No, but I've heard of that before and I've never
actually seen it happen, but I've seen videos of it.
As far as you know, the results of is just
I can't imagine having to clean that up. But I
haven't seen that video. But I do agree with him.
It's it's, uh, yeah, people should be out there more

(01:12:08):
and not necessarily doing that, but out there more and
interacting with everyone more. So I definitely agree there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Yeah, exactly. And it's a funny thing, like it's it's unexpected.
You expect somebody to be like, damn it, look what happened.
This is terrible, Get off my lawn.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
And he was.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
He was celebrated. He was like, yes, we're back, We're
so back, which is funny. Okay, so now we're moving
beyond the Witching Hour and soul cake surprise. We dropped
the soul cakes. Now here's here's the larger context. As usual,
there's there's a lot of ways to look at these
ideas and read the rite up and fall. If you're interested.
It's very good tonight again, a little a little data
dence and I will have those receipts afterwards. So if

(01:12:46):
you want to follow up on me, I encourage you to.
And I also I don't think I dropped a disclaimer
when we started tonight. All the disclaimers do apply. There's
no truth to be found here, just ideas. We're just
talking possibilities and looking at the world in a slightly
different way. That's it. It's as simple as that. So
anyway back to this, So another question as we as
we get deeper in so what childhood Halloween rituals did

(01:13:08):
you believe protected you? And have you carried those beliefs
into adulthood. That's part of this because of course we're
talking jack lanterns, the sow and fires of old and
the origins of these soul cakes and trick or treating. Now,
is it something where these practices are some level of
like a psychic safeguard or ways to acknowledge this again

(01:13:32):
fitting boundary between worlds and in for me, in my mind,
like I keep describing, I think it's more Carl Jung
than Carl Sagan. Not to put down the great wheel
and the cosmology of everything, but to recognize that there's
a neurochemical reaction we have to our environment in ways

(01:13:53):
as yet unmeasured. That's my point, and I think it's
important to recognize it, and if we don't, then we're
sort of slaved to the whims of whoever would recognize
it for us, or whoever would recognize what was happening
is part of it and use it to manipulate us.
And I think the case can be made, as James said,

(01:14:14):
for you know, turning turning Halloween into and as Mattzol
said very smartly as well, turning Halloween into instead of
remembering ancestral spirits and those that have passed on, turning
it into a twelve foot tall home depot plastic skeleton
that sits on your front yard, you know what I mean? Yeah, anyway,

(01:14:36):
I don't know. It's a crazy thing to consider. A
lot of ideas flowing through here. Love to hear your thoughts.
What do you love about Halloween? What is going on?
Have you ever heard of a soul cake? What about
the turnips and the placing things out front to keep
the spirits at bay? What about dressing as the spirits
in sort of that liminal space to become them so
they don't recognize you? What about the mask ritual itself.

(01:15:00):
We did a whole show on that in the past.
It was also very good. But it is that disillusion
of identity. An identity, of course, is something I consider
a lot because through my life, and I'll be honest
as I am, it's to my detriment. By my honesty
is to my detriment. I'll tell you that if I

(01:15:21):
was just a ridiculous liar, I would have an easier life.
I'll save the story to when we get back. What
do you know about this? What about the idea of
Halloween not being part of the cosmological cycle? What about
Halloween being entirely a neurochemical reaction of us reacting to

(01:15:45):
said cycle. That's what's on my mind, and I'd love
to hear your thoughts on this. If you want to
be part of the conversation seven two nine five seven
one zero three seven, click the discord link at troubleminds
dot org. Nobody on the line. If you guys want
to jump in here, I'd appreciate it very much. The
whole reason we do that is to talk to people.
What do you know about it? I'm talking calling it
beyond the Witching Hour, Soul Cake Surprise, what comes next.

(01:16:08):
Of course, if I knew, i'd tell you, but I don't,
so we'll talk possibilities instead. We're at back more Trouble
Minds on the way, do not go anywhere. Welcome back

(01:16:46):
to Troubled Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange. We're streaming
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live on the Troubled Minds Radio Network. That's KUAP Digital
Broadcasting and of course eighty eight point four FM Auckland,
New Zealand Tonight. Could Uck October really be a time
when reality's usual boundaries slip, as we've been told the
esoteriquay right, leaving us exposed to strange moods, unfiltered perceptions,

(01:17:10):
and ancient instincts. Is it possible that the Darkening Season,
the Restless Nights, and our older rituals aren't just stories,
but clues to a deeper truth about human consciousness. At me,
in particular, I feel like I'm onto something here. I
feel like, look, I'm not going to get a GPT
psychosis or anything, but I feel like when you get
enough data and you put it together and you package

(01:17:33):
it as an idea, suddenly things start to make a
little bit better sense, different sense, okay, and of course
as usual the armor of God all the things.

Speaker 7 (01:17:43):
I'm not a.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
GPT wizard or a technomistic or any things. However, when
things start to line up to build your own narratives,
suddenly this is what they don't want. And who's they? Mike,
Come on, Mike, that's gets ambiguous. Well, they is just
the people we cannot criticize. They are the mainstream media.

(01:18:06):
They are the people that call us conspiracy theorists for
talking about ideas outside of their paradigm. That's who they are.
It's simple, and you know, like Fox News and then
all the stuff we always talk about, that's who they are.
So it's a very specific definition and it's a very
curated reality. And so once you break out of that,

(01:18:27):
at least conceptually in a conversation, there's problems. Right, Yeah, anyway,
tons of stuff here at so O Cake Surprise beyond
the Witching Hour I got. I'm making the case slowly
but surely that this is more Carl Jung than Carl Sagan,
meaning specifically that as the veil thins is a neurochemical

(01:18:52):
process that is a societal shamanic journey I'll continue to
make that case in a moment, love to hear your thoughts. Instead,
I'll drop all this to the cutting room floor to
talk to you guys. That's why I'm here seven oh
two nine. Once you're a three seven, click that discorded
like a trouble mindset or anything, James to add, welcome back.
I hope you're doing well tonight, and I got some

(01:19:13):
stuff to get to you, as you know, but you
got anything to add, Love to hear it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
Yeah, a couple of things. And if I if I
go too long, you can tell me to be quiet,
and I will grumble and maybe be quiet.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Perfect.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
But these the offerings fascinates me. The idea of offering,
leaving offerings for spirits or spirits or for people representing spirits.
It's fascinating because there's other way, other places, other situations
where food and drink are left out, whether it's outside

(01:19:50):
or even just in the home. And that is cases
of the little folk at different kinds, whatever variations you
want to talk about, where when things start happening, some
people around the world have had ideas and thoughts and
heard stories about other people doing this. Where the best

(01:20:12):
way to get this activity to stop in some cases
was to leave things out, was to leave out milk
or water or actual food or even alcoholic beverages. But
that goes beyond that to just leaving in the modern day,
leaving a TV or radio on in a room in

(01:20:35):
a place where you have all kinds of weird activity,
and once you do that, the activity decreases a lot.
And I've heard this in so many cases, and so
I find that fascinating the different ways to sort of
make offerings throughout time to now being effective in some

(01:20:59):
ways for whatever reasons. Again, I don't know how this
all works, but there these these accounts of these experiences
are there. And then also based on that, when people
come in to an environment that are not aware of
these situations and they change something, they don't leave the
TV or the radio in a space, activity will pick up,

(01:21:23):
even though they may not have any idea why things
are being left on. So then what is going on there?
And I think that's all I have for now, But yeah,
that's just fascinating to me. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
The ritual, the ritual offering bit is uh, that's an
ancient thing. I mean that goes way way way back, right,
you leave something out for the gods to make sure
that whatever I mean, you pour some out for your homies,
like Matt matt'saw was saying, there you you leave some
as an offering, so that you're even a boon. You're not.
No no curses, right, No, no curses going on here,

(01:21:58):
And that is one of the most ancient things ever.
And dare I suggest I don't want to say the word,
but the original og tax was that the the god text. No,
I've done it now. I've triggered my own, my own
sensibilities by bringing up taxes. But you get my meaning, right,

(01:22:18):
And I think there is I think there's some wisdom
there regarding well, I don't know. I guess. I guess
usually depends on what you believe. And that's okay, that's
exactly the point. And to be perfectly honest, back to
the honesty conversation, I'm not sure what I believe, and
that's to me. I think there's power there too. There's

(01:22:39):
power and belief, absolutely, but I think there's power in
flexibility and recognizing that well, I'm not so sure. Let's
hear more about this and that and the other thing.
And that's how I feel about it. And thanks for
being being cool and chill and stay up play with
us guys. Anything on that, James, And I'll get right
back to the right up here, because I think there's

(01:23:00):
a compelling case to be made.

Speaker 4 (01:23:04):
Yeah. I mean again, we have so many names for
what might be going on, and in the end it's
I don't think we can really know for sure what
the l are until they all come out and stay
hi and sit out there and open I right. I
call that fits in so well with the whole alien conversation,

(01:23:26):
where that's something that a lot of people want, is
for this all to be decided by the appearance of
whatever is out there, whoever's out there. But also I
want to remind you, I know, I don't know if
you if you want to or not, but you had
said you had a story so at then the last
segment there, So if you want to tell that, then
I'd be curious to hear it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
But do not understand I did, actually and I can't
remember what it was, to be honest, Like, as I
was speaking out the reason why I deferred it, I'm
like I forgot what that thread was. It was the
thing I wanted to say. It was about honesty, there
was a story, and I was like, I lost it,
so I punted it and then you exposed me. I

(01:24:07):
don't remember. I remember if it comes back, if it
comes back to me, I'll definitely say it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:14):
I'm shocked that this never happens to me. What no
one forgets what they're talking about. I mean, that never happens.
That happens me all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
So no judgment here, exactly in the in the moment
with all the things and all the screens and all
the lights and reading the chat. Yeah, there's there's no
reason for me to just lose my train thought. If
it comes back to me, I promise you, I'll tell you,
like I said to my detriment, I am honest, and
we'll welcome to it anyway. So so back to this now,
like I said, and in that honesty, let's continue with

(01:24:41):
a narrative. And this is a narrative. It is one
of those narratives that may or may not be true.
There might be pieces of this. Some nuggets that make
sense got out to our new friend who called on
the other night, Mayo Core I believe his name was.
But nuggets are good. But a narrative is built by

(01:25:01):
somebody else, Okay, except for your life narrative. It's something
you've lived. You get it. So this is the way
the world is. Okay, anyway, So back to this, So
all the things we've talked about, sort of the neurochemical
aspect of sowin, the neurochemical aspect of the idea of
the autumn equinox and what it does to our mind space,

(01:25:24):
all the stuff we said to this point. Again, it's
in the Trouble of Minds newsletter. Check it out. I'm
reading it straight from that because it's important to kind
of track down this narrative. Here we go. By the
time October thirty first arrives, multiple vectors have converged, external
solar activity, moon phase, shortened daylight, and internal altered brain chemistry,

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ritual participation, collective belief. The ancient Celts said the veil
between worlds thins during sowin, specifically October thirty first through
November first. They had no concept of electromagnetic fields, no
satellites measuring solar wind. Yet they pinpointed late October as

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the moment when reality's boundary becomes permeable. Modern science shows
geomagnetic storms disrupt circadian rhythms as we've been talking about tonight.
They alter brain chemistry, trigger migraines, and amplify psychiatric symptoms.
I think mcanthropy howling at the moon in this case.

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Paranormal investigators use EMF meters specifically because electromagnetic fluctuations correlate
with reported spiritual activity. During the Halloween investigation at one
hundred and twenty five year old Iowa City House, EMF
meters went off repeatedly in the attic. And I think
this is from Zach Beggins is a brand new thing

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that just hit, Like he has a new series that
just kicked off and it's like a two hour special.
I think this is what it is. From a red
light's constant beeping. The flashlight turned on and off in
response to questions fifteen times. Now you know me and
James two And I'll give James a moment here to
also kind of chime in. But getting information from television

(01:27:17):
shows as some sort of gospel truth doesn't sound like
the best strategy to me, all right, Or from a
podcast or a talk show or whatever. Like I said,
take every damn thing I've ever said with a grain
of salt. Though I'm a good faith honest actor. Okay,
I tell you when I'm fabricating. I tell you when
I'm pressing the envelope. I tell you when I'm moving

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into a space that is outside of my paradigm of expertise,
which is basically everything. But you get the idea. Some
people are less honest, and I'm not suggesting these folks are.
I'm suggesting I'll get your information from TV. But I'm
going to continue on this in just a second here,
because this write up is very good, in this narrative

(01:27:58):
is very fantastic in my opinion. What do I know,
I'm just me, but you has anything on those paranormal
TV shows because I think there's something to be said here,
something to be said here.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
Yeah, even if even the cases where the investigators may
be honest talking about honesty may be trying to really
get to the bottom of things, you have to consider
who is financing the whole thing. How much money is

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that network going to make off of any given TV
show when it comes to paranormal things, and what will
they do or have people do to keep that money
coming in, including exaggerating or faking or adding things to
video after the fact to make it. Here, the things

(01:28:53):
are happening and so and yeah, going back to real
quick also just the idea of knowing or not knowing.
I always am trying to say this a lot, which
is that all I know for sure is I've had
weird things happen to me, and so have other people.
As to what it all is, I don't know. All
I can do is point out patterns and here and

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there when I find them. That doesn't mean I know
that those are for sure the way things are. And
sometimes I find opposite patterns. So yeah, definitely don't ever
take anything I say as like I know exactly what's
going on. I have all the answers for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
And that's how you spot the Charlatans of the world.
They call them grifters because they always know the answer,
even though when reality proves them wrong, they still press
on knowing the answer, even though they didn't know the
answer previously that exposed them. But everybody forgets because they're
always waiting for the next answer. Right anyway, So back
to this now, And like I said, no beef for

(01:29:54):
whatever against Zach Beggin's and the stuff. Like I said,
I work down by where he has this thing, oh
and by the way I saw this today. So I
was driving by the Zach as a nice segue here
as a nice sort of side side quest. Real quick,
I was driving by the Zach Baggin's Haunton Museum, and
I'm and it's right now. It's the most horror And

(01:30:15):
this is why I'm kind of like, maybe you don't
sense it because I've calmed down. But when I got home,
I was like super agitated, just super like because the
traffic downtown is just ridiculous because they've they've got lanes
blocked off and cones everywhere, and they're doing down by
this sphere and Howard Hughes that area. They're doing F

(01:30:36):
one that's going to happen. So they spend like ten
weeks destroying Las Vegas traffic, setting up an entire race
track for F one that happens for one freaking night.
They do like a like a preliminary the previous night
they do an hour long race, and then after they leave,
then they spend another couple of weeks breaking it down.

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So we're we're literally like in the just traffic disaster.
And as you guys know, I'm on the road a lot,
and anyway I'm driving by the Zach Bagins Haunted Museum,
and I'm stuck in traffic, stopped literally just stopped. Like

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I look over, I see it. I'm like, hey, I
haven't been there. I should go there. But then I
look over further to my left and on the direct
right side or left side looking at it, what's right
next to the Zach Baggins Haunted Museum is a yeah,

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is a But what would you guess? Think about what's
next to it? I told you, James, care to guess
or like the cart of the bag.

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
I'd say some kind of group? You know, So what
kind of a group of meeting location where they, you know,
have certain rituals and practices and all those kinds of things.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Maybe, yeah, ah, what's what's It's not a temple, It's
a lodge. It's a lodge of a Masonic lodge. Masonic lodge.
That's that's it. I couldn't remember the term. There's literally
right next right next to the Zach Bagan Saunted Museum
where all those artifacts are? You know that Matzov very
smartly said last week when we talked about this, who

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inherits those or buys those after? Like you know, like
Zach passes on, and I said, Peter Thiel, because they'll
still be alive. But anyway, right next to it's a
Masonic lodge. I mean, you know, like how tinfoil hat
do you want to get? But out there in the ghetto,
because it's kind of in the ghetto. It's on Charleston
Boulevard and over on the left side, right next to
the Masonic lodge. Anyway, I know, does that seem weird

(01:32:53):
to you? It seemed a little weird to me that
it wasn't like a you know, like a McDonald's or something.
I don't know. You've got to take on that, James,
And I'll get back to this.

Speaker 4 (01:33:03):
It goes back to the idea of power spots, of
possible lay lines. Funny uh, funny connection there possibly to
the idea of that Matt taw was talking about Meridians
and healing on on a body, this idea that there
are also similar lines possibly that go throughout the planet.

(01:33:25):
So I wonder if you know there's this idea that
well of these places, whether it's any kind of religious
organization or or lodges of groups, they will build on
these power spots. So I don't know that's that's fascinating
that that's right there by this other location, which I'm

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curious now again, is that a power spot? And was
are people aware of it when they make these these
haunted museum kinds of locations. I'm really curious about that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
Anyway, so that's an aside, that's a side quest as
part of this. But I noticed it today. I sent
it to James and Derek. We were chatting a little
bit as I was work as I was stuck in
traffic by like, yeah, it is horrific beat on the
road when they're doing construction like that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:13):
But I do.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Okay, so a side quest, I digress back back to
the thing, but do do look it up? Look up?
It's on Charles It's on East Charleston, Zach Bagan's Haunt,
a museum and right next to it as a Masonic launch.
I couldn't remember the name. I wanted to say Masonic temple,
uh something temple, and it just wouldn't come to my
mind anyway. Okay, So so back to the right now.
In this case, as we're talking about sort of the

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the idea of not just ghost hunting as as described
EMF and this type of thing it's also we're being
blasted from the sun with the EMF all the time.
I mean, it's all around us. It's it's the radio waves.
It's everything, right, It's the the wi fis and the
five g's and all the stuff. Like, I'm not a
tinfoil hat five G guy that wants to say that
five G is all the devil or whatever. But also

(01:34:56):
I recognize it's probably not good for us either, so
I don't like I'm as usual somewhere between. But anyway,
in this case, the veil doesn't thin. Consciousness shifts the
boundary between waking and dreaming, self and other, living and dead.
These aren't fixed structures. They're maintained by neurochemical balance, circadian stability,

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and consensus agreement AH consensus reality, one of my favorite topics. Anyway,
disrupt those foundations and the boundary dissolves. Scientists call hypnagogia
threshold consciousness, that sliver of seconds between waking and sleep
when your brain produces THEATA waves but you're still partially aware.

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In this state, the prefrontal cortex shuts down, but you
haven't lost consciousness yet. What happens hallucinations that feel completely real,
ideas transform into vivid images without censorship or logic. The
reality threshold collapses, internally generated experiences become as real as

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external perception. And I was looking into this of course
before we started. The links will be in the description
down below if you want to read more about this.
But that becomes a point here, and I think that
as usual shout out be over on x when we
were having a conversation about this about UFOs as a
matter of fact, so whether it's fits in with Halloween

(01:36:26):
or not, which is another rabbit hole, by the way,
see how my mind just goes ten different ways real quick.
We'll get back to be shout out be on Twitter X.
I wonder if UFO sightings or experiences or experience ers
feel this different energy, and if I'm going to dig

(01:36:48):
into this and we'll get back to this, I think
at some point, maybe next week, but I'm going to
look into the fact that the possible fact that maybe
there's more UFO scene in October than any other months.
I don't know. I don't know as usual, like a
it's a hunch, it's a theory and I may be wrong,
but anyway, so that's the point that that's where we're

(01:37:10):
at tonight, and I don't know hypnagogia. Like I said,
there's there's a ton of stuff here on this and
the soul cakes and all the stuff is linked below
if you want to check it out. That's what the
soul cake looks like, the soul cakes eating during Halloween,
all Saints Day, all Soul's Day. It's this is complicated.
I think we're moving into a complicated space, and there's
a lot of ways to quantify it. But I think

(01:37:31):
that maybe maybe as usual drink in the maybe juice,
maybe the most important ways to quantify these ideas are undiscovered.
Like we're doing our best, but I think just maybe
it isn't about TV shows and EMF meters obviously, but

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you get my meeting that was a larger, fractal scaled metaphor.
So what's really happening here? I don't know. I really
don't know, but I do know it's got us. I
do know I'm wearing costumes. I'm gonna If you guys
like the costumes, I'll just keep wearing them all month.

(01:38:20):
I don't know. Look, I don't know the answers to
these questions, but I do know that there's something here
and it may be, I don't know, more different than
we ever dreamed. Yeah, anyway, maybe I should go meet
Zach Paggin's drive by his place like ten times a day. Anyway,
anything on any of that, James, We're gonna take a break.

(01:38:41):
Love to hear you guys as usual. This is a
show to talk to people. So if you have anything
to add to Halloween, what do you love about it?
What do you think about the idea that it's not
about the great Wheel, it's about how it affects us
as sort of an alchemical process. Do you think that
makes sense? And is it as mind blowing as I
think it is? Clearly not because nobody's so that's terrible.

(01:39:01):
But what do you think anything that James and I
will mind the sound and take a quick break.

Speaker 4 (01:39:09):
Just a great cost from everyone so far. Also in
the chat, uh Don mentioned something I do I also
do not like about the TV shows, And this is
maybe the one thing that I would say don't do
is that so many of them they try to antagonize,
I provoke whoever may be there to do things. And

(01:39:30):
that is the one thing beyond anything else. I understand
networks have to make money whatever, but the one thing
I'd always ask out there is please don't do that.
It's disrespectful. And imagine how it would feel to have
someone come into your home and demand that you start
doing things just for proof that they're there. That's one thing.

(01:39:55):
And yeah, I think the UFO thing, and I think
all these things they are all connected to our minds.
Not to say that they're all in necessarily completely in
our minds, but they are all connected. We're still experiencing them,
and so it could be. I wouldn't be surprised if
UFO things, because there's some accounts of that where people

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see create beings entities in their own rooms, in their spaces,
and they'll appear in vanish just like ghosts.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
You.

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
Isn't that odd how there's those similarities. So I'd be
curious to know as well if there's any kind of
increase in October. I wouldn't be surprised if there is,
just because even if maybe there was nothing before, now
because of media, because of all this time with that
around us, it's thought that these things happen more in

(01:40:51):
this time. So again, are we dealing more with the
mind in that way as well?

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
Yeah, which is the whole point and look, you know me,
if I've got an agenda, it's to look inward. It's
to consider what we've missed as part of well everything,
all the narratives, right, all the buzzy narratives around our minds,
our hearts, our souls, whatever those things look like to
you personally, that's my agenda to consider that internally we

(01:41:20):
take them in a particular way, and we do, I
don't know, odd things with them, to them, around them,
about them, and I don't know. It almost feels as
if we're sort of an alien species within our species
because we're being manipulated in so many ways. And look,
in this case, it's fun, right, I mean, you know,

(01:41:40):
Halloween's fun, all Hallow is eve. It's fun, you know,
like I learned to costume and the stuff. You know,
it's like the filter on my face. This is fun.
But also it's just another control, another bit of control
that is as yet unquantified. And yeah, let's see if
my actual button works. I spent so much time last

(01:42:04):
night setting this up. And if this doesn't work, it worked,
thank goodness. In any case, I'd love to hear your thoughts.
What do you love about Halloween? What do you know
about it being a control mechanism. How weird does this get?
And is it indeed more Carl Jung than Carl say it?

(01:42:25):
Seven two nine one zero three seven to be right back,
more Troubled Minds on the way, do not go anywhere.
I bring to you the Midnight Stargates ritual. Welcome back,

(01:42:57):
said Troubled Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange. We're streaming
on you to Rumbo, x, Twitch and Kick. We're broadcasting
live on a Troubled Minds radio network. That's KUAP did
You're broadcasting out of Las Vegas and of course eighty
eight point four FM Auckland, New Zealand. Tonight, we're taking
our calls as we look at beyond the Veil, as
the veil thins, what it means to us, what it

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means conceptually and in the larger context of folklore, of mythology,
of the places we came from and the places we're heading.
And that's the point tonight, really as usual. I don't know,
like I could do AI shows and all kinds of stuff,
but I think it's it's important to consider those control mechanisms,

(01:43:40):
those ideas that are sort of the latent aspect and
shout out Sudi. In the chat by the way, it
said that, let me read this because this is this
is this is important, an important part of this aspect,
an important part of human ideas coming together in a space.
So let me scroll up. So Sudie says, shout out Sudie,
we don't do Halloween really in Australia. It means nothing

(01:44:00):
to me, to be honest. Cool, and that becomes exactly
my point is that there's there are sort of the
maybe alchemical processes of us in our environment, as the
weather changes and the table's turn and all the stuff, right,
but then also there's the societal aspect, which again is

(01:44:25):
very let's call it prominent, definitely prominent. And so I
don't know as usually you guys know me. I'm fascinating
with control cycles because or control mechanisms I call them,
and of course the larger cycles of them, because I
do wonder how much of my life has been controlled
by ideas I never conceived of or never would have

(01:44:48):
would have outside of sort of those spaces. So yeah,
so kind of making the case tonight that that is
a thing that we're being controlled by, not just the
societal obligations, but in the larger content. Next, some sort
of alchemical process as sowing sort of makes its way forward.

(01:45:08):
And again, shout out our friends in the Southern hemisphere.
So we're getting cool, You're getting warm. That's a thing.
That's a thing, and super cool, super cool to have
people listening all over the world. Welcome back. Love to
hear your guys thoughts. By the way, the whole point
of doing this show is to talk to people. If
you want to be part of the conversation, put your
hand up in discord. If you got anything, Dad, why
do you love Halloween?

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
Why do you not?

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
Whatever? Is it your favorite season?

Speaker 1 (01:45:32):
Is it not?

Speaker 4 (01:45:33):
You know me?

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
I'm gonna keep on doing a different Halloween narratives and
different ways to look at this a more granular aspect. Again,
on Tuesday night, we've got Joe coming on, who's a
funeral director, to talk about sort of things he's seen
or known and other friends of his that have seen
that worked in this space, that saw some weird, spooky stuff.
So I don't know, like, what does it look like

(01:45:54):
in that context? And I think it's important to consider
that we're missing some stuff that is spooky there. I
suggest spooky anything that, James, I had to get back
to this narrative. I'd love to hear you guys instead.
Seven O two nine one zero three seven click the
discord like a truble. Minds anything, Dad.

Speaker 4 (01:46:11):
James, Yeah, I not too much right now. I just, uh,
this has been a great, great topic creation, great to
calls and everything, and yeah, I think that the uh
the there's all kinds of ways to look at these things,
and uh, I don't know. It's I can I understand

(01:46:34):
some people that don't care for the season because some
people don't like the image imagery, sort of the the
horror aspect of the paranormal mask with the things. Some
people don't like jump scares, and I'm actually with them
on that. Uh, whether it's jump scares in the real
world when you're walking past places or movies, either way,

(01:46:56):
it doesn't matter to me. But I don't care for those.
But again, to each their own. So sorry, I'm a
bit distrected that I'm just dealing with technical biological issues
but nothing major, just minor ones.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
Okay, go get it, James, no problem at all. And
I saw your comment. You sounded fine and fully coherent.
In the last bit there so don't worry about that,
but rest up as you need. I'm you interrupt me
as you see fit. Okay, So again, love to hear
your thoughts on this. What do you love about Halloween?
A lot of things here. How much does it control us,
not just societally, but also maybe in the context of

(01:47:32):
like an alchemical transition of the weather changing in our head,
maybe the lack of light and the rest of that.
The serotonin melotone and stuff we always talk about, and
the dopamine receptors, all of that fits into play here,
but also and measurably. But then also we started with
this idea of the human mind isn't meant to be

(01:47:53):
awake past midnight, scientists warn, which is the entire inspiration
for the show. When I saw this, I was like, Okay,
that's it. That's it, that's what we're doing. There's a
lot of stuff there night ours unite all the rest
of this stuff. However, it's the witching hour, right, It
is very what would you call it, very very very
infamous as the Witching hour. As we said when we

(01:48:15):
started tonight, the you know, there's nothing good happens after midnight,
as they say, right, the kids are out doing the
hanky panky and the tp in the house, and you know,
whatever kind of stuff is happening out there. Nothing good
happens after midnight. And yeah, I mean maybe I think
statistically that's probably accurate. But however, however, hold on, so

(01:48:38):
check this out. We got a call coming in. We'll
take this in a sect. Thanks for the call. So okay,
So Salon was never about ghosts visiting. It was about
humans entering a state where perception expands beyond ordinary filtering.
The dead don't cross over. We cross over into frequencies
of consciousness normally inaccessible. And this is my point bringing

(01:48:58):
it up in this case, okay, Meaning that the veil
doesn't thin, we become more percepted to the veil itself.
So October creates the conditions. The rituals provide the map.
And if you're awake past midnight on Halloween, when geomagnetic
activity spikes or peaks, melitone in production fails, and every
cultural story tells you the veil is thinnest, your brain

(01:49:21):
will show you what's always been there waiting on the
other side of the filter. So the science here is
very simple. Your brain becomes a different creature after midnight
as cited in this article. By the way, like I said,
they call it, what do they call it? What's the thing?
The term is this fantastic U What is it? Mind

(01:49:42):
after midnight is the theory. Look that up and you'll
see exactly what I'm talking about. So yeah, So the
buap bah bah bah uh okay, negative emotions get amplified,
positive ones fade, Your inhibitions drop like stones, risk becomes attractive.
Something happens in those dark hours of that scientists are calling,
Oh it's ran the right up the mind after midnight.
Scientists say dopamine beaks peaks during the latter half of darkness,

(01:50:06):
which means the brain's reward system goes haywire, precisely when
folklore says witches are most powerful. This is where we
get into the witching hour stuff. So the hours between
three am and four am show the highest melatonin production.
And there's this fringe theory, still unproven but tantalizing, that
the pineal gland converts melatonin into DMT during rem sleep.

(01:50:29):
If that's true, then the witching hour isn't about demons.
It's about endogenious psychedelics flooding your brain when you should
be unconscious. I don't know again fringe theory stuff, but
as usual, looking at the world in different ways, what
do you think about the theory? And is Halloween more

(01:50:50):
Carl Young than Carl Sagan? And I think most most
of humanity, by the way, is probably more Carl Jung
than Carl Sagan or they're probably yin and yang and
we don't give enough credit to one or the other.
That's what's on my mind. James, anything to add and
we'll go to the call.

Speaker 4 (01:51:08):
Yeah, just as I always say, it's it's one thing
when you know, if you've if you've never had an
odd experience, you can't explain. I can understand why you know,
you see, I mean, it's not possible. Once you've had
those experiences, then you don't really know what's going on.
And so that's part of why I enjoy being here

(01:51:29):
for these shows.

Speaker 2 (01:51:32):
And why I love talking about these ideas as yet
conceived in truth, defer truth and always and you find
some interesting possibilities. Shout out Cubs future over there. I see.
Thanks for the repost on x okay, so here your thoughts.
A lot of ways to this and of course the
basic idea before we started in the very beginning was

(01:51:54):
what do you love about this season? Beyond that, do
you think there's a neurochemical process that's happening to people,
not just sort of in a mass hysteria aspect. I'm
sure that plays as part of the cultural participation of
the ritual, but also the candy, also the dimming of

(01:52:14):
the light. Also again the electromagnetic storms we're talking about.
It almost feels as if this is chaos season in
some capacity and we're supposed to spur out a little bit.
I don't know what are your thoughts, Love to hear
what you think. Seven oh two nine five seven one
zero three seven click to discord link at Troubledminds dot Organ.

(01:52:35):
We'll put you on the show. It's as easy as that.
Let's go to not sure who this is on the
phone line. You're on a Troubled Minds West of the Rockies.
So what's your first name? Where are you calling from?
And go right head?

Speaker 7 (01:52:47):
Good afternoon, good evening, goodnight. This is Jared from Arizona.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
How's it going, Jay in Arizona? Welcome back, our skydiving friend.
I remember you. What's going on? I hope you're well tonight?
What's on your mind. Thanks for coming.

Speaker 7 (01:53:03):
Regarding the topic, I guess, of just in general, I
just think this is my perspective. I'm not saying I'm correct.
I just think experience. I've had a lot of near
death experiences recently too, in skydiving, and I don't know,
you know, some people call it spiritual awakenings or whatever.
But when you start analyzing, it's kind of like I

(01:53:26):
don't know, if you ever got into the literature of
Carlos Testaneta, he talks about like journaling and kind of
reflecting on your childhood and the patterns and stuff like that,
and it's interesting patterns per se in your life of
I guess repetition, things repeat in your life if you
kind of pay attention to the subtleties in reality. And

(01:53:48):
it's interesting how throughout my life I face death. Even
as a child, it was, you know, something not chosen.
It's just kind of I don't know if that's like
a cultural thing. I'm Latino, but anyways, just perspectives, you know.
And then the Witching hour, like you said, I just
think again, it's all different vocabularies and it's different psychologies,

(01:54:10):
but different perspectives, different cultures. But it's interesting because I've
been looking deeper and some people say it's related to
like the Crucifixion of like you know, Jesus. I never
heard of that one. I kind of recently stumbled upon that.
And then the other thing I was in it salue,
which is a lot of your reader or fans or

(01:54:31):
I don't know what you call them, audience members. There's
a book out there. And again I'm a little crazy,
you know that I jump out of planes. You have
to be a little out there to pursue something like that,
I guess. But I do a lot of crazy across
the border all the time, you know, I've had I
have a lot of stories my one of my uncles,

(01:54:51):
my Theos, he was an immigration attorney out here in Arizona,
and he was murdered out there, like I think three
years ago, right after the panandemic. And the crazy part
was I was supposed to be with them that weekend.
You know, I skydive in San Carlos near Sonora, Sonora, Mexico,
and uh, are you still there? I just want to

(01:55:12):
make sure I have good connection.

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
Yeah, you sound great coming through a loud and clear
and I'm sorry about sorry about your t that's that's horrific.

Speaker 7 (01:55:18):
Uh yeah, no, no, and it's just it's just you know, interesting,
like you say, like or just for me my analyzation
of my experience as nobody else's. But it seems like
again I don't know what you believe in, divine whatever,
but I don't put vocabularies on it or anything like that,
but just analyzing the experiences. And again I I kind

(01:55:41):
of again I don't know why, but I'm always into adventure,
so I guess that comes with the territory, you know,
you never know which again rest in peace. But uh,
the other thing is too, you know, just being across
the border and seeing just the different psychologies of the borders.
And uh, there's a good book I recommend. I actually
have it. I had it autographed, and it's called Out

(01:56:04):
on the Foot by Rocky Almore. He's a border patrol
agent and he did the O Tai mallions in California
for a while, and then he transferred out here to
the border of I think in Tucson, your nogalist, and
then somewhere else. But a lot of the per se
experiences he had were one of his border patrol agents

(01:56:27):
was murdered and for some reason, just like me, he
didn't go to work that night. He got some type
of stomach food. But again, he talks about all these
experiences in the book phenomena whatever you want to call it, paranormal, spiritual.
But what I noticed is weird is that like I
don't know what it is. I've been trying to pinpoint
the answer, but just something I guess bugging me spiritually

(01:56:49):
or whatever you want to call it, is why that
phenomena is more common outside of America. I mean, I
know people have it here, but it's just if you
look into his book. I think he has a couple
of things on YouTube too, but again he was a
former you know, border patrol, so these are like real stories,
just horrific things that again, people have lost their lives

(01:57:10):
and they encounter phenomena, whether you call it bigfoot, even
with like the night scopes, and when they're patrolling the
borders out there there's only one agent for so many miles,
and how sometimes a mistaken an immigrant for a puma
or a mountain lion, and it's like it's just interesting
the psychology of that job. But again, to fascinate your audience,

(01:57:33):
check out that book. It's a lot of cool stories,
a lot of real life stuff. And if you guys
ever go to the border, Like I said, you guys,
it's just I can't explain it. Like when you go,
you'll see it. It's it's just it's more common out there.
And I don't know what the reason is. I don't
know why I experienced it less over here on this
side of the border, but when I crossed it again.
There's just phenomena he talks about. And he was on

(01:57:55):
both sides of it, you know, apprehending immigrants and just
facing things he couldn't explain. And a lot of people
came forward in his book and talk about their experiences,
you know, besides just crime and human and human contact,
it was also whatever, paranormal, whatever you want to call it. Yeah,
but anyways, that's that's my my my two saints. I
apologize for ambling on them.

Speaker 2 (01:58:15):
No, you're good, You're good, fantastic. So I got I
got a theory on that. So the the southern border
in the United States is one of the most violent
places in the world, and that that could be part
of this, right, like part of the phenomenon or the
hauntings or people seeing things. We've talked about pop up,
pop out toploids in the past of trauma right our
own sort of not just generational, but maybe in the

(01:58:38):
moment trauma uh appearing as some sort of orb or
something right to us, right, sort of a something we
inadvertently sort of project. And so I can't imagine that
that part of the world is sort of without that
level of trauma. Like you said, you know, rounding up

(01:58:58):
immigrants and all this time it is. It's horrific down there.
And like I said, if you, if you guys know
anything about it, and I want to add to you
real quick with that. So one more time, what is
the name of that book? I want to make sure
that I heard it, because I didn't hear the first.

Speaker 4 (01:59:11):
Book said it.

Speaker 7 (01:59:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's a book. He's alive, and I reckon
you reached out to him. He's very Again, he hasn't
got a lot of publicity, but it's real life acts.
I mean, he has credentials and everything. It's called Out
on Foot and it's by Rocky Elmore. It's a great book.
I got it a few years back. But again, it
was just weird, how like I've always been gravitated to

(01:59:34):
looking for answers, and I was fascinated by that book,
and originally just by the adventure part, because that's.

Speaker 4 (01:59:40):
What I do.

Speaker 7 (01:59:40):
I just I cross the boarder, I go into unknown,
like I always look for reality versus like simulated computer
or Google or whatever. And another thing that's funny too
out here, which you guys should google, is like on
the other side of the border over here, going the
opposite way towards California. It's interesting because there's a city

(02:00:02):
called Aho and then there's a restaurant. It's like the
only restaurant and it's an alien spaceship, and there's a
lot of alien phenomena between the border there too, on
this other side going to California, and it's kind of like,
you know, I'm not saying it's true, but like kind
of like a bully just bulling you in the face.

Speaker 3 (02:00:18):
Thing.

Speaker 7 (02:00:18):
Yeah it is here, but they don't really into it.
And it's just weird how that restaurant's there. And if
you google Aho, Arizona, there's also a lot of just
phenomena in the skies that people can explain. And it's
right near the border there on the opposite side of
Mexico and again it's just weird like all this stuff. Again,
it's not just related to like Deuesk, but we go

(02:00:39):
into the UFO aspect. Now I don't know what the
UFOs are to tell you the truth, but whether it's
angels and demons, I have no idea. But on that
opposite side again, the phenomena, which is a different topic,
is again when I cross the border over that side
and go to the beaches and stuff like that, some
of the story is just weird. It changes. It's not
really paranormal like ghost but it's more stuff aerial aviation

(02:01:02):
or whatever you want to call it. And again I
don't know why, but it's just more common over there
versus once you cross over here in America. And again
it's just a weird thing that itches my head. Sometimes.
I'm like, I wonder why it's like that. You know,
I never could find an answer for myself.

Speaker 2 (02:01:17):
Yeah, well said all that. So I found the book
and again, Rocky Olmore, I'll have that posted. The link
will be in the description if you guys want to
check out, and I will reach out to this guy.

Speaker 7 (02:01:27):
Yeah, and he so too. Again, I'm not lying to
you because I've had the personal experiences myself over the
border with not just paranormal and like murder and crazy
psychology of different different cultures, but even phenomenon per se,
like whatever you want to call a UFO or just
things you can't explain in the sky. And with Rocky

(02:01:48):
Almore in his book again he talks about everything, just
like me and you or your your stations about He
also talked he has a video of something they caught
on the border there near Nogalls and their trusion and
it was like flying through the military. So you can
google it and you can talk to him about it.
He'll send you the link and stuff. But again, all
this stuff happened again the border or more common outside

(02:02:12):
of America on the opposite side of a border, which
I don't know why, but he talks about murders, desk ghosts, UFOs.
I mean, the list goes on and on, but it's
just weird in that area range. I don't know what
it is, but there's some type of phenomenon overall, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:02:28):
Yeah, one hundred percent. So let me read the full
title of this. It's called Out on Foot, Nightly Patrols
and Ghostly Tales of a US border patrol agent. That's wild.
So let me tell you before you go. Before we
got about four minutes left here, but I talked to
a guy that was military and was doing border patrol reconnaissance.
He was actually they were listening to you know, cartel chatter, right,

(02:02:53):
and they were out there, him and his small team.
It was like just just a few people, and they
were out in the darkness. Literally, like in the dark.
You can't do anything, he said, if you're you're out
there and you're close enough because you're sort of listening
in on what they're they're they're doing that if you
light a cigarette out there, they'll see you because it
is complete darkness. So it's like it's it's that serious

(02:03:15):
where if you light a cigarette, you're dead. And so
they're laying there like flattening the dirt in it, you know,
like makeshift ditch. They dug wire tapping, listening in real
time to chatter from the cartel. And of course they're
bilingual and they're right reporting back. And this is a
this is again a military guy that I met at

(02:03:37):
a legit party with a bunch of military people, and
they were all interested in what I was doing, which
is super hilarious. They were like, oh, is this the
alien guy. I'm like, no, I mean not really, and
they're like, let me tell you my story. It's it's nuts,
but fascinatingly enough, as you're describing, there's there's a ton
of information not just on the border patrol, but then
also our military is spending time, of course getting information

(02:04:01):
from them, but wild. Some of the stories he was
telling me, some of the information they were getting was
just like off the chain, ridiculous. He's like, here, let
me tell you that some of the most ridiculous stuff
I heard, right, because that's what everybody wants to talk about.
And he just he went down the line of the stuff,
some stuff you would never believe, and that that's that's
that that part of the world. You're absolutely right. Got

(02:04:21):
a couple of minutes left if you got anything else,
my men.

Speaker 7 (02:04:25):
No, I just wanted to say thanks for what you do, man,
and you know, just keep the faith. I guess you know.
I don't know. I don't know how the aspect of
your business works, but it just it keeps growing, man.
So thanks for inspiring us.

Speaker 2 (02:04:40):
I appreciate it. Thanks for calling. Before you go the
adventure seeking bit go go get yourself checked for toxoplasmosis.
Would you please please so you don't press a little
too far with that sort of a danger seeking method.
We like having you here, and thanks for calling, Thanks
for listening. Be safe out there, Okay, appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (02:05:00):
Thanks, you're the best.

Speaker 2 (02:05:00):
To have a great night. That's Jay in Arizona. Thanks
a lot, a skydiver, daredevil friend. Down there in Arizona
on the border, one of the most no, no kidding.
If you guys are familiar with what's going on there,
it's one of the most dangerous places in the world.
It's yeah, be careful, be careful. So I will reach

(02:05:21):
out to this guy again. Rocky Elmore is the name.
Allah link will be in the description dow below. I'd
love to hear what he has to say, what he's
seen down there. This is when we talk about battlefields
and trauma and sort of human resonant energy. You bet
you're bippy that that that Arizona, California, Texas border with
Mexico is rife with trauma. It's I can only imagine. James,

(02:05:45):
got about a minute left. If you've got anything to
add to that, great call, thinks, So thanks to j
and Arizona.

Speaker 4 (02:05:49):
There, Yes, great call, and yeah, borders any kind of
I mean, obviously places where there's conflict that's going on.
There's just so many military accounts I've heard over the years.
I'm pretty sure I've heard the author of that book

(02:06:11):
on a show here or there. So I do, I
do recognize the name and some of the experiences, which
is fascinating. And yeah, yeah, whenever you have large groups
of people that are in opposition to each other, I
think you're going to have and then you know, the violence,
you're going to have things that happen that can't be
explained all the time.

Speaker 2 (02:06:31):
Yeah, and just in time for spooky season not to
get dark, and you know everything's about death and destruction
or whatever. But as usual, these cycles persist and they repeat,
and you know it doesn't have to be about simply
and only that, but it certainly is part of the cycle,
and part of the cycle we need to break. And
you know, again like how how do you? How do you?

(02:06:52):
That becomes really the question and what do we know?
B button works, That was really nice. What do we know?
What do we really know? And that's the way my
mind works, and what I want to know. Love to
hear your thoughts. We're talking beyond the witchy, nour soul
cake surprise, Why do you love all hallows? Eve? This

(02:07:12):
is Troubled Minds on Michael Strange bere at back. We
got more with James and your calls as well. Don't
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(02:07:45):
Michael Strange. We're streaming on YouTube, rhumble x, Twitch and Kick.
We are broadcasting live on the Troubled Minds Radio Network.
That's KAP Digital Broadcasting and of course eighty eight point
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not just deeper into the sense of what soury means,
what the season turning is and the veil thinning. We're

(02:08:06):
looking into the human mind. We're looking into the alchemical
process of neurotransmitters and what this means to us and
is this just another hidden control mechanism as I'm always
talking about. And look, I think that being one hundred
percent Frank, and that's just how I roll shout out Frank,
our original co host, that I think we're manipulated in

(02:08:30):
so many ways that we are problematic. Okay, we are
walking contradictions of ourselves in ways we would never even consider,
or ways society has never even considered.

Speaker 3 (02:08:44):
Like.

Speaker 2 (02:08:44):
That's how fractal My thoughts are fractal at scale. When
I talk about control, when I talk about ideas and
why it's important to press the envelope on ideas because
you see what's happened. It's easy to fall into a
dogma cycle. It's easy to be red team or blue team.
It's easy to say, Mike, I'm sure you agree with me,

(02:09:12):
this is the objective truth. These things are easy, but
is it easy to actually suggest that's the true truth,
the truth of it all? And I don't know. Like
I said, it is a core tenant of what brings
me back every night because I'm considering these things of myself.

(02:09:35):
I'm considering these ideas as. I have no idea what's happening.
I have no idea where I came from, I have
no idea where I'm headed. Scatter it to the wind,
forge a new path. Consider what we don't know. It's important.

(02:09:56):
It's important to me anyway, And thank you again for
staying a plate and being part of it. I'll get
to the rest of the narrative here in a second.
But of course I'll cut it all out and drop
it to the cutting room floor if you call me
seven two nine, seven and one zero three seven click
the discord like of Trouble Minds dot org. My fault
for not having a compelling narrative. I guess if you
guys want to be part of the conversation, I'd love
to hear what you have to add anything, James, I

(02:10:18):
know I'm leaning on you a lot. If not, back
to the narrative here, No.

Speaker 4 (02:10:21):
No worries, I'm doing marror now. I just had a
like a five or ten minutes minute plint where my
right I was just like itching constantly. It was difficult
to concentrate that much. I did want to comment a
great call from Jay, Like I said about everything there.
He mentioned the three am thing and the connection possible

(02:10:46):
connection to the Catholic faith, the three knocks at that time,
mocking the Holy Trinity. Now, the fascinating thing about that
aspect is that is a common thought and belief in that.
But what's also amazing is there are plenty of people

(02:11:07):
out there who do not follow that particular religion. And
again not that I'm shaming anyone for anything, I believe,
anything that they do. I'm just saying. The point is
that people that do not follow any of that, and
some cases never even heard of that, still have experiences

(02:11:27):
at that time. Not only that, not everyone that has
an experienced at the time has a negative one. In
some cases, that's the same point in time when people
will have visitation dreams from loved ones. It's just a
paranormally active time in general for anyone that wants to
consider that to be a possibility or that existing. It's

(02:11:50):
there for a lot of people out there and just
all over the place. It seems.

Speaker 2 (02:11:56):
Yeah, well said, And a lot of that stuff does
come from those the binary conceptions of these thoughts, right,
these ideas of what all this means. And like I said,
meaning is one thing, and you know, you can get
philosophically ridiculous and navel gazing and all the rest, but
it still is really the core tenant of what makes

(02:12:17):
humans human. Like we we need to have some sort
of mean in an anchor like that, that temporal anchor,
or the identity anchor or something. So I'm with you,
I'm not I'm not crapping on that stuff. And you
know me, Like, like I said, I'm as honest as
I can be. I'm not trying to be an antagonist
or you know, go after people for believing things, because

(02:12:40):
we all have to believe some things just to persist
to go on. So so I don't know. I mean,
it's it's all, it's all very strange to me, and
it's what it's what does bring me back as part
of these conversations. But yeah, Gray Stu from j there,
Yeah he's been listening for a long time. And yeah,
like you know, be careful, you know, like that that's

(02:13:00):
so dangerous out there, like some of those places. Man,
you land in the wrong spot and you are deed
dead and it is not even negotiable.

Speaker 1 (02:13:08):
It is.

Speaker 2 (02:13:10):
Clap your hands everybody, and everybody bury you in a
ditch or even just leave you lane in the desert.
That's how nuts it is down there. Yeah, that wild
stuff as part of all of this conversation. And I
don't know, Like I don't know regarding the meaning of
Halloween all hallows Eve, I think it's ambiguous enough again

(02:13:31):
to have a show on it tonight, as we've done,
but also I think it's ambiguous enough to consider what
it means for everything, for every season, for every amount
of the neurochemical response of ourselves in our environments. And
I'll get to that in just a second. Anything on that,
and I'll go right to the narrative.

Speaker 4 (02:13:49):
Yeah, I said in the chat earlier. There was some
chat earlier about you know, what all these days mean
to us or don't mean to us? And I mentioned
in the chat basically and say it in this way,
but to me now, how theys to me aren't as
big as are important as using them as times to
get together with the people I care about. That's what

(02:14:12):
I care about now more than anything else with to
do with calendars or or relief systems or anything like that.
But again, it's it's amazing, how you know, we have
to consider how much power do our minds do we
really have with the our minds and the energy we
put out, And I think it's it seems like there

(02:14:32):
is some power there, and in rare cases it's a
lot of power. And it's not not that I'm saying
that all things that are unexplained come from us directly, don't.
I don't feel that's the case. But also some of
it definitely, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:14:48):
I agree and a lot of power becomes the context. Like, so,
if some people can have a lot of power.

Speaker 4 (02:14:55):
Some.

Speaker 2 (02:14:58):
Regions or time zone or temporal spaces can have a
lot of power, then how does that unlock sort of
to everybody? I don't know. I don't know. Great stuff,
great stuff. Okaya, back to this narrative. Now, Look like
I said, read the write up. If you want a
more coherent, straight through a narrative, it's good. Trust me,
this is good. I'm gonna read it straight through. The

(02:15:19):
veil between worlds gets thin. And this is the whole point,
because your neurochemistry is literally producing molecules that dissolve consensus reality.
Medieval people weren't superstitious fools. They were noticing that something
genuinely strange happens in consciousness. During those hours before electricity,

(02:15:42):
humans slept in two phases. We've talked about this a
lot in the past. First sleep from sunset until around
midnight than an hour awake. Then second sleep until dawn.
That mental hour, people prayed, interpreted dreams that were more
vivid at that hour, Then, upon waking ear muffs for

(02:16:04):
those PG. Thirteen types. They had sex, They wrote poetry,
They visited neighbors, and they committed crimes, wouldn't you know?
The Industrial revolution killed this pattern, not because it was inefficient,
but because it gave people access to altered consciousness every

(02:16:25):
single night. And we'll get into some Greek mythology here,
but that's the point that you get what I'm saying here.
It is not a conceptually conspiracy speculation theater. Conceptually, it's
not about the season at all other than how it
affects our neurotransmitters and how we react to it and

(02:16:45):
are drawn to these spaces. I don't know, I really
don't know. But it gets into persephone, and it gets
into you know, the descent into the underworld of course,
because you know me kind of fractualizing ideas and then
putting them back together, stitching them into one narrative. That's
what life is. By the way, like stitching your life

(02:17:07):
into a narrative is what it means to be. You
well recognize that stitching a cultural zeitgeist into a narrative
is dishonest because it's representative of a majority, even an
AstroTurf to majority, a fake majority. I don't know, interesting stuff.

(02:17:30):
Let's see Okay, okay, okay, let's do some astrology anything
on any of that, James. Otherwise, I'm gonna actually a
good time to take a final break here. Like I said,
I'm a I'm just human myself, but I think that
if not, I'll take a quick break and then we'll
come back and finish this up.

Speaker 4 (02:17:49):
Well, I was, I have been thinking all night about
and this. We had a conversation and discord about this.
Excuse me some days ago. Where why are there not? Was?
Why are they're not ghosts floating around in space? Because again,
if everything is moving, the Moon around the Earth, around

(02:18:12):
the Sun, around the galaxy, around who knows what else,
then then if you take that into consideration, we are
never in the same place twice, and so that's all
kinds of energy that we are moving through, maybe even
energies we don't even know exist yet. And to me,

(02:18:32):
that's fascinating because that can also explain some of our
sensitivities to things that maybe normally or before we were
not sensitive too.

Speaker 2 (02:18:43):
I like that too, shedding human energy into into the universe.
Right way, Let's say again conceptual thinking that the souls
don't directly ascend to some sort of reincarnation process, but
they just their energy and the earth keeps moving. They're
out That means they're out there. That means that means right,

(02:19:05):
they're out there somewhere, and it may be you know,
a millionaires or ten millionaires before we kind of find
that space, or maybe they disipate. I don't know. Again,
conceptual thinking, Nobody get offended. It's just a I don't know.
I love the thought. And that's exactly why we talk
about these ideas sort of again free range outside of dogmacycles.
And it's not to be provocative or judgmental. It's just

(02:19:29):
kind of trying to see the world a different way.
Great Stuf James appreciate that very much. Okay. So regarding
how all this comes together into the neurological space of
alchemy or whatever, right like howlread, you want to label that,
you label that as you as you will, But certainly
neuroscience and the way we respond to everything is it

(02:19:55):
is science. It's it's miracles, it's magic, it's all those things.
And yet we know so little about the human mind.
I mean, we know a lot by human standards, but
there's so much there that we just don't know. That
that subjectivity of everything that our own nature of reality.
It is complicated and as yet to be untangled, and

(02:20:18):
will it ever be untangled? I don't know. I think
that's how complicated it is anyway, So let's do this.
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go now. Now this is the weird heart, well one
of the weird parts. So as as we get further
and further into October, so the Zodiac right Scorpio season
begins October twenty third. The Scorpio's out there shout out,

(02:22:10):
they get kind of dirt kicked in their face. As
far as the Zodiac is concerned. They're like, oh, I
hope they're not a Scorpio. I hear that a lot. Anyway,
let me know if you're a Scorpio out there, maybe
privately because you know who knows. You don't want to
out yourself a Miname's mike. I'm a Pisces. They universally accepted.
Poor Scorpios boy, they get dirt kicked on him anyway.
So Scorpio is ruled by Pluto, god of the underworld,

(02:22:33):
which again brings the persephony aspect into this space planet
of death and rebirth. So again, Pluto Scorpio energy is
transformation through destruction, shadow work, confronting taboo. This sounds like
mystical nonsense until you layer it into the neuroscience which
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(02:22:58):
Scorpio season breaks that balance permanently toward darkness. The astrological
archetype of scorpio death, sex, the occult psychological depth power
through vulnerability maps perfectly onto the neurochemical state October induces
and again ai psychosis maybe. But again, when you're talking

(02:23:20):
narratives and these ideas, what does it mean, how deep
does it go? And are we finding pieces that have
not been put together yet? Because like I said, there's
always a trillion trillion data points as part of these conversations,
and so what narrative prevails? So in this case, astrology

(02:23:41):
doesn't cause this whole dust up. It's a two thousand
year old encoding system that tract how planetary positions correlate
with human consciousness shifts, which is the long count calendars
we've been talking about for a long time. The Mayan
bocktunes the Great Wheel, and there's a lot of ways
to actually describe this. Consider it and it gets into

(02:24:01):
schizophrenia stuff and peaking in summer in Austria, following similar
similar patterns globally. There's a bunch of stuff in here
that gets it gets deep, and it gets dark, but
it is it is heavy in statistics and sort of
looking at a deep dive in what this means for us,
because of course, like I said, you can wax poetic

(02:24:22):
on and on about metaphysics all you want, but what
does it mean if you don't if it doesn't do
anything for you, right, if it doesn't do anything for me,
if it doesn't do anything positive to the world we
live in. Nothing. Narratives are narratives. They end up in books,

(02:24:44):
not to crap on books. That's human knowledge, that's time travel,
that's where we came from. But I'm just saying, there
are a lot of books out there, so which one
has it all? And I know what you might think,

(02:25:04):
but I would say it'd have to be a very
big book to have it all, very very big book. Anyway. Yeah,
I digress, Yeah, I do check the again. If you're
interested in the idea, check check the write up, check
all the all the crazy links here. There's a bunch
of wild stuff as part of this. But I think

(02:25:26):
that per usual we are I don't know. I don't
want to say diluted. I don't want to say confused.
I don't want to say, you know, got the boot
on our neck. I don't want to say any of
that stuff. I want to say maybe we are uncertain.
That's probably the proper word. At least I am of

(02:25:49):
what all this means. And I can, you know, read
the books and read the things and rabbit hole the ideas,
and the seasons change, and the rate will continues with
or without us. But how much of it actually fits
into something that matters directly personally, I don't know. I

(02:26:15):
don't know, which includes, of course troubled minds. How much
of that fits?

Speaker 4 (02:26:22):
Like?

Speaker 2 (02:26:22):
How much value have you got from these conversations over
the years, as ridiculous and wide ranging as they have been,
And I'll admit fully they are many times, not all
the time, but many times I don't know. Becomes a
question awesome philosophical do I belong here? Stuff?

Speaker 4 (02:26:43):
I know I do?

Speaker 2 (02:26:46):
But you see what I mean. Yeah, sorry, I failed.
We'll talk about vampires or something another time. James, anything
to add Oh my goodness, Michael Strang on way too much,
way too much talking from Michael Strange.

Speaker 4 (02:27:03):
Sorry ahead, No, I just say I didn't fail. But
also I think, uh, for a book to have everything,
you'd have to just combine all the books ever everywhere.
And I would hate to see the cost of making
that book.

Speaker 2 (02:27:21):
Yeah, as one who's made books before, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:27:28):
It's pretty bad when you get you get an amazing
deal on the cover design for your book and it's
half off of like all the other prices you see online,
and it's still hurts. It's like it still kills your budget.
It's just just speaking of experience there, and you know,
it's just but yeah, anyway, I'm not bitter. I mean

(02:27:51):
I'm not, but I kind of am, but I'm not.
But yeah, there's just I think so much of this
does come to energy and consciousness, and then where do
our physical forms fit into all that and all those interactions?
And I mean the the energy coming from all the

(02:28:13):
spaces and the objects out there in space around us,
how does that affect us? And there have been studies
on different solar activity having effects on the abilities of
people to have to be psychic, to have to be
able to use extra sensory perception, and all those things.

(02:28:37):
And so I'm really curious, now, what would happen if
if those same studies were done around this time of
year in this in this part of the world. Would
some of those results be different or would they be similar.
Maybe they're out there, but they just don't get promoted.
I mean, just the the stuff about the sun, and
those studies also don't get promoted a lot. You have

(02:29:00):
to listen to podcasts about all these strange things and
then maybe finding books about them if you're lucky. So
it's definitely all I think it's all connected, but how
it all works I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:29:12):
Yeah, And that's the whole point. It's like there's too
many data points. There's just too much going on, and
we've I think we simplified what it means to be
human and I don't even know that's a bad thing,
to be honest, right, Like I can see both sides
of it, like there's there's so much out there that
could change everything, but also you would have to take

(02:29:34):
into account so many multidisciplinary fields of data and stuff.
And like I said, you know, like with sun spots
and solar flares and you know, solar minimums and maximums.
Just that by itself, and again whether you believe sort
of ghost hunting is real or not, just those things.
And James and I did a show on this, by
the way, with the rest of you amazing people. Always

(02:29:57):
back sort of as the the sun surges into the
electromagnetic field, does it sort of increase the paranormal presence
or aspect of sightings or experiences or whatever, Right, And
so I don't know, like just that all by itself
means that the fractal data is dare I suggest, insurmountable

(02:30:22):
to what actual truth becomes or could be. It's just
too much. So I don't know. I don't know. You
can cherry pick anything, and that's I guess that's probably
a great way to add this, is that you can
please recognize that you can cherry pick anything to create
any narrative you want, anything, and even even squinch your eyes,

(02:30:50):
squinch with your mind's eyes. I like to say, create
a compelling narrative, something that's you know, might fool some people,
I fool yourself, don't forget that you can't fool yourself.
I've got some never mind never mind, don't get too

(02:31:17):
locked into the GPT or whatever, into the lllms that
you don't see things as a singular narrative, that you
see it as the all encompassing answers of everything. We
did several shows on this in the past. Maybe it's
time to do another one. I bring wild narratives to

(02:31:39):
spur of conversations, not because I'm locked into them, like
I believe it's some sort of hidden gospel nobody ever grasped.
That's it, James final thought. Let's get out of here.
Let's give me a break. I'm gonna go sit down.

Speaker 4 (02:31:57):
So I have a quick story about that kind of
I have in my front door. It has a window
that is that goes the full height from the floor
to the ceiling next to the door, and there are these, uh,
these horizontal middle plastic battle of their blinds that hang
down there in front of that window. And there's been

(02:32:21):
a few times over the last couple of weeks where
I heard it sounded like something brushed up against them,
and my first thought was, well, must be Logan my cat,
And then I would get up and look around, and
I would find Logan sleeping or resting on a chair
that is nowhere near the blinds. And I can look

(02:32:44):
at this two ways, because I do think it's possible
each way as possible. It could have been a bug
or a spider or something, or a new hole somewhere
has opened up in the wall that needs to be fixed.
Which is odd though, because it only happen those few times.
So was it something biological or was it something paranormal?

(02:33:07):
Because I used to have a vertical blind along my
back wall patio door, wall window thing. Actually it just
didn't matter which one it was. It would be one
at a time that would just start moving back and
forth in side to side at times, and I used
to see it all the time. Well, eventually I switched
everything around my apartment so that now I don't look

(02:33:29):
towards that window anymore. So I got the feeling like, hmm,
is there someone that is trying to get my attention
that has realized moving that blind in the back is
not going to do it again anymore. So now they're
going to use the front blinds, the blinds in the
front and just make a sound instead. Again, I can

(02:33:51):
see both ways, and I find it fascinating that this
only happened a few times and now it's stopped. So
either I think it's important, like you said as well,
to look at all the possibilities. That's a good example
of that.

Speaker 2 (02:34:06):
Yeah, is it or isn't it? Or is it somewhere
in between? Is it some level of something we never considered.
That's the space I live in. There's something we never
considered space. As you guys know, if you're still here
listening to me, I don't know why you're still here,
but def we're done. We're done. James show the best.
Appreciate you at the glue of the show. Thanks for

(02:34:28):
staying late with me, Sorry for leaning on you so heavily,
and great takes as always, fire fire, fire stuff. Appreciate you.
Thanks for jumping in here and being Johnny on the
spot the glue of the show.

Speaker 4 (02:34:40):
Whenever I can, if this topic that I kind of
have some ideas about and have looked into you, I'm
always glad to be here when I can.

Speaker 2 (02:34:48):
I'm glad to have you, Glad to have you. You
don't have your love it James Salcido, the paranormal expert
of Troubled Minds, Salcito, paranormal dot Com, Troubledminds dot org,
Force that Friends. Scroll down a little bit. It's alphabetical.
Follow James. Check out his books. Please go buy his books.
Check out the is merg store. S I'll see the
paranormal dot com. It's all there. Check out the all

(02:35:11):
the stuff he's doing. Coming up on how many episodes
James nine hundred will.

Speaker 4 (02:35:17):
Be nine on the Vember second.

Speaker 2 (02:35:20):
Yeah, my goodness, gracious you see, like I said, and
I mean this when I say this, I'm not making
this up. I think it's really becoming, if it's not already,
the probably most comprehensive paranormal space in the world. Has
anybody done that much work in a singular Niche I

(02:35:42):
don't know. And it's not just that he does book
reviews and all kinds of stuff, just saying like, I
don't know, it's without curation and looking at these ideas
what are we doing and kind of beating them out
as a wild narrative. That's my job. I'm the wild
narrative guy. But beyond that, go follow James. Follow all

(02:36:04):
the rest of our friends. Troubleminds dot Org, Forward size Friends.
Scroll down just a little bit, and uh, it's alphabetical.

Speaker 4 (02:36:11):
Go do the thing.

Speaker 2 (02:36:12):
Go listen to all these people doing amazing things, creating
all manner of music and writing and you name it,
other shows, podcasts or live streams or whatever. There's a
ton of people there that have been really really great
to me, really really great to us as a community.
So so thank you for that. Please follow them in
all the places. And yeah, that's that, And keep dreaming,

(02:36:39):
keep thinking, keep wondering, keep maybe not accepting all the
bs the media throws at you. And look, I'm not
quite with reach, but I'm a counter counterbalance to wild
ideas from the mainstream media who actually pedal conspiracy theories.

(02:37:00):
So I'm the guy with the skeleton face and the
alien hat. But however, I promise you the narratives I
spin are less wild than the nonsense coming from the
political space. That's that if you want to help us,
help our friends, if you want to help us spread
the word, let people know conversation is happening. Well, we're

(02:37:22):
not going to tell you to vote for I know
to our detriments, I know what is the opiate of
the masses. I know that if I talked about politics,
the audience would grow really big, really big, and I
would lose my soul. I'd rather not. If you want
to help trouble wise directly, so do spread the word
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that's that as we finish. Look, I don't know, don't
forg get that. I don't know the answers. I just
have questions and sometimes I can ask better questions. I'll

(02:38:08):
think about it. You guys, have a fantastic night. Thanks
for staying to play with us. Thanks for caring. This
one's for James. Be sure, be strong, be true. Thank
you for listening from our trouble minds to yours. Have
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