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Could rhythm, scent, and syllables act as quiet switches in the mind - nudging judgment before intention wakes? If flow, curiosity, and the four imaginations can be tuned like dials, are we living inside an orchestra conducted by patterns rather than people? Or is this just coincidence with good PR?

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​https://www.newscientist.com/article/2480349-the-four-types-of-imagination-and-how-they-create-our-worlds/

​https://www.sciencealert.com/music-does-something-amazing-to-your-brains-own-natural-rhythms

​https://bigthink.com/smart-skills/how-curiosity-rewires-your-brain-for-change/

​https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a65046361/flow-state-of-consciousness/

​https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2025/07/250704032932.htm

​https://www.smh.com.au/world/familys-winner-becomes-a-loser-and-loser-a-winner-20020801-gdfi5p.html

​https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/saudi-arabia-gives-robot-citizenshipand-more-freedoms-human-women-180967007/

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Speaker 2 (02:16):
And asking questions of you in earnest into the digital artists. Well,
good evening, and welcome to Troubled Minds Radio. I'm your host,
Michael Strange. We're streaming on YouTube, rumble x, Twitch and Kick.

(02:37):
We are broadcasting live on a Troubled Minds radio network
that's KUAP Digital Broadcasting and of course eighty eight point
four FM Auckland, New Zealand. Shout out to Jack and
Jail and our friends down there in New Zealand. Tonight's
back to the well now as usual. Look, it's it's
difficult to, uh, every single day put you know, or
every other day put put some novel idea together, or

(02:58):
try and try and gained granular data in the onslaught
of just relentless information and make some sense of it.
And that's really at the core of tonight, not just,
let's say, kind of trying to pick out pieces of
reality but rearrange them in a way that makes some
sense to what's happening to us in the modern day.

Speaker 6 (03:20):
Now.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Of course, I'm talking about control mechanisms, I'm talking about
fate and destiny. I'm talking about the idea that we
are not ourselves at the most granular level, because everything
around us is invisible orchestrator of such. And so those
batch of articles I've been sitting on for a long
time all kind of disparate in some you know, one
way or another, but they all really bark at that

(03:42):
same idea. And so I was going through everything tonight
and kind of looking at some ideas, and you know,
I wasn't sure what to do. I'm like, Okay, I
could do that one, but then you know, can you
do a full show on that and the other one
a full show on that? And not really, I'm like, oh,
but you could do a whole show on all of these,
because it's a ton of wild ideas. Now check this out.
This is where we start tonight as usual. Look, there's

(04:02):
no truth here, no truth to be found here. It's
just ideas. It's just people talking. It's just considering maybe
the things we might have missed. So if you're here
for truth, you're in the wrong place. I've never been
the guy that is trying to tell you anything that
you don't know. Just let's consider wild possibilities and discuss
them by dark of night. That's the game. It's very simple.
Let's start here, No, let's start here. This is all

(04:25):
These are linked in the description, and I do encourage
you to check them out. It is pretty cool stuff.
Now this one, this is from back to July, the
end of July here and it's from your Tango dot com.
And the headline is this, Now, this is a wild one.
Once again, consider the space and the idea that we
are not exactly who we think we are. We believe
we're ourselves. I believe I'm Michael Strange. You believe here.

(04:47):
Whoever you are out there, thank you for listening and
thanks for hanging out with us. But the point is
that maybe you're not at all. Maybe none of us are,
and we're all this part of this larger system that
we don't know anything about, or we know so very
little about that we're kind of, you know, relegated to
these these dark corners of the Internet at nighttime talking
about these things because it is so difficult, it's so

(05:11):
difficult to put together. Anyway, the headline is this, science
says these are the most pleasing names to hear? Is
yours on the list. I'm not going to read you
this whole article because it's very, very long, but one
of the actual names here that I'll read you the
list of names instead. But anyway, so top ten most
beautiful sounding names in the US were and these are

(05:31):
ranked boys and girls and of course they did this
by survey. And wouldn't you know it that the top
female name that is the most pleasing to the human
ear is Sophia. Sounds very gnostic, does it not? Yeah,
a little bit weird. The other the male is Matthew.
So we've got so top ten list in rank boys Matthew, Julian, William, Isaiah, Leo, Levi, Joseph,

(05:55):
Theo shout out Theo, Isaac and Samuel. And on the
girl's side, got Sophia, Zoe, every Sophie, Riley, Ivy, Paisley, Willow, Ellie,
and Emily. That's interesting. Now the whole idea here when
I'm reading these and like I said, I don't know
the mechanism behind this, but of course we're talking about syllables.
We're talking about maybe consonants and shorter names or whatever

(06:20):
they are. Right, there's so many different variables that kind
of go into this. And you know, is it pseudoscience? Yeah,
you know, I mean maybe maybe, But as usual, once
you get enough data on something like this, so a
massive data set, then this stuff starts to become science.
And so I do wonder anyway, So that's in the
United States, the top ten most beautiful sounding names in
the UK were again listed. We'll go girls, Sophia again, Zoe, Rosie, Sophie, Ivy, Phoebe, Violet,

(06:47):
Willowhannah and Ellie. And the boys there in the UK
were Zaan, Jesse, Charlie, Louie, William, Freddie, George, Ali, Daniel
and Riley. Now why is there is there some correlation there?
Can you? Can you squint and go, Okay, I see why?
I don't know? And that to me, like I said,

(07:08):
it does seem very magical, pseudoscience or whatever. And think
of it this way. For instance, my name is Michael.
Everybody knows this that listens to the show What's Up? Friends?
But do you trust me more or whatever or not?
Because my name is Michael. It's not on the list,
but it is one of the classics, and it is
one that goes back thousands of years, and so so

(07:30):
I do wonder if in this case, now think of
it this way. Now we're going to open this up
a bunch of different ways, but we'll start with the
naming protocols here and having like a unique name, imagine
having a unique name in an entire reality, an entire
public reality of just being a social individual in the
world where the name you have nobody's ever heard of.

(07:51):
It is completely unique and maybe even difficult to say.
Do you think that that in and of itself makes
you less trustworthy?

Speaker 8 (08:00):
Hmm?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Maybe right? It makes you unique. I mean, you're unique anyway,
but you get what I mean. So that's the idea.
That's where we start tonight. There's a lot of ways
to look at this, and a lot of ideas that
kind of go with it, but this is just one.
This gets even more strange the more you wonder, again,
at the most granular level, how much of ourselves we
actually are and how much is built on these control
mechanisms as I like to call them. And I'm always

(08:24):
thinking about because and I'm always talking about identity and
how all this stuff does come together, because I do
wonder how much of this is actually well, what we've
been dealing with forever and not even recognizing it. So
I client conductors without names, the orchestrated attention dilemma. We're
going to get to some other ideas hitter as part
of it. We're going to get to the flow state.

(08:45):
We're going to get to music and how it affects
our mood. And these are all new new articles, new
sort of science in the last six weeks that are
all kind of pointing at the same thing and that
same thing again in my opinion, non scientifically, I'm not
a scientist. I'm more of a folkloristing these days and
a gesture archetype. I don't know, but I do know

(09:07):
that in this particular case, there are some similarities and
things that make me go, hmm, what do you know
about it? Are we really ourselves or are we orchestrated
somehow by these entities or whatever you want to call them?
The energy from the beginning that we're still dealing with
in twenty twenty five. That's what's on my mind tonight.

(09:27):
Sorry for starting late. I had a problem like like
a hissing that. When I fired this up, it was
like it's like, oh no, what is that? Where did
this come from? Anyway, I was able to kill it,
so I think we're good. Let me know if the
sound is okay out there, because if it's not, then
I don't know what to do. We'll kill it and
come back tuesday or something. Anyway, there you go. That's
what's in my mind tonight. Quick word from our sponsor.

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One second here, gonna fix this and then we'll get it.
Go okay, fixing the camera all right, Okay, all right,
I think we're good to go. All right. So so anyway,
you get the idea, right, it's a it's very I mean,

(11:13):
it's a simple idea, except when you start to stack
how this stuff comes together the right, it's very good.
It kind of incorporates all these ideas from all these
different articles. Here's another one. Okay, so we started with that,
the naming conventions, and yeah, Richard didn't make the cut. Yeah,
sorry about that. Neither did Michael. I'm a little confused
because you would think Michael would make the cut of
the most lovely names to the human ear. Ah maybe
odd biased anyway, So here's another one. This is from

(11:35):
science alert dot com. Music does something amazing to your
brain's own natural rhythms. All right, So not only in
this case where we be manipulated. If somebody's name is
something that seems nice, or something that seems familiar, or
something that seems unfamiliar, okay, just meeting somebody new bam.
Not even talking about social cues, not talking about body language,

(11:57):
not talking about cadence's speech, not talking about you know,
good looking or less than good looking. We're not talking
about any of that stuff. We're just talking about somebody's name. Okay,
think about that. Those little things manipulate us every single
day in really tiny ways or how tiny are they really?
Now to this, so music that's okay, blah blah blah.

(12:17):
A new theory suggests that we don't just listen to music.
Our bodies physically resonate with music as our brain's natural
oscillations synchronized with structures like rhythm and pitch. Oh, like
voices like listening to my voice or some other voice,
You see what I mean? Anybody ever listened to Mark
Levin on What's a News Talk? Eight forty out here?
He's got like his voice has been described as a

(12:42):
several cats fighting in a bag. Like that's what his
voice has been described as. It is just jarring, grating,
it's very high pitch, he's always screaming. It is not
a nice voice to listen to at all. But he's
you know, syndicated, got millions of listeners anyway. But the
point is that you recognize that there's there are differences
to delivery, to cadence, to again the timber and tone

(13:03):
of somebody's voice, all of these other things, and that
certainly fits into this musical space we're describing right now.
So music is often thought of as a quote universal language.
I think, not ancient aliens, but think as close encounters
are the third kind, right, People across cultures will bust
out similar moves, and young kids will instinctively bop to
a beat. And have you seen animals do it? Yeah?
Maybe that works too, right. According to neuro resonance theory,

(13:26):
it's not just what we learn to expect and predict
what's coming. Aspects like harmony in the music we make
and enjoy sounds so good to us because they're in
sync with the brain's resonant patterns. Oh who's always talking
about human resonant energy and patterns? And oh interesting? Right anyway,
So quote this theory suggests that music is powerful not
just because we hear it, but because our brains and

(13:48):
bodies become it, says Caroline Palmer, a neuroscientist at mcguil
University in Canada. Shout out our friends in Canada. Continue
quote that has big implications for therapy, education and to
and of course for the Satanic panic. Am I right?
We did a show on that kind of recently anyway. Okay,
so we got that, so we got these two out
of the way. I want to kind of lump all
these things into one space and then talk about how

(14:10):
they fit together or how they don't. So we got
the names being pleasing to the human ear right just
by hearing it. So Fia, I think about that, the
name itself. I'll speak it again, almost as if we're
casting spells here, so Fia. Does that seem pleasant sounding?
Or is it just when you stack it up against
other names? And that becomes the weird part of this

(14:31):
sort of the spoken magic, which we've talked about quite
a lot. And then we got the music, where it
does something amazing to our brains, and where your particular
song or your particular style might not necessarily be who
you are or who you've learned to become, but maybe
it is your resonant energy, your resonant frequency, whatever that is,

(14:51):
and you sort of just found it, as you know,
you know, some people like contra music and some people
like pop or whatever. Right, I don't know, I do wonder.
Of course, some of that is societal based, and you
know where do you live, and you know who you
hang out with and all the rest of that. But anyway,
you found it, didn't you okay, in anyway, Now here's
an important one. We're going to go three. So we're
going to go This is exhibit three, and these links

(15:14):
are in the description. I encourage you to check about
a lot of wild ideas here. But the main question
is this, do you think that you were you? Or
do you think that you are you just as a
shell mostly being manipulated by all these unseen and unheard
of things around us that people haven't put together yet
in the sense of well mk Ultra in twenty twenty five.

(15:34):
And so I say that, of course, because surely and
obviously somebody's been working on these exact things I've been
talking about for a very long time to control people.
And this does go back to the ancient temples and
all the rest of that stuff, with the priests and
the incense. Think of smell, we'll get to smell as well.
Think of all the five senses, the traditional five senses
plus the sixth senses. Some of the things we don't

(15:55):
recognize we have as modern humans that maybe we did
way back when. And it goes back to that temple.
The aspect of maybe naming the deities, It goes back
to maybe the names of the priests. Maybe it goes
to the name of the uh, what the who's there?
Orchestrating the events, whatever's going on, right like who knows
the music, the incense, all the things, and suddenly suddenly

(16:15):
who you were becomes something completely different than who you
were when you stepped into the temple. Just as an example,
and now this exhibit three from big thin dot com.
How curiosity rewiles rewires your brain for change. Yeah, right,
there's there's a very troubled minds you one right there.
This is probably me rewiring my brain every other day

(16:38):
because I'm trying to figure things out or at least
look at some ideas and consider that we've missed some things.
So the brain often responds to change and uncertainty by
activating the amigdala, triggering the same stress response as physical danger.
Curiosity helps reframe uncertainty as an invitation, not a threat.
Neuroscientist and Alrelkunf Yes Cunf shares five ways to cultivate

(17:02):
curiosity in times of change. It's one of these you know,
kind of good stuff, but ask what if instead of
what now? Take field notes, run tiny experiments, embrace not knowing.
There's very troubled minds. Right, I'm gonna read that one.
So practice saying I don't know yet without immediately searching
for an answer. Spend time exploring questions without rushing to conclusions.

(17:23):
Research suggests that this enhances cognitive flexibility and creative problem
solving critical neural functions that support adaptation during transitions. Weird,
I wonder who does that? Oh that's right, we do
that a lot anyway. Treat failure as data. Okay, anyway,
blah blah blah. A lot of good stuff here, and
this is just you know, how to sort of benefit

(17:44):
from this, from this human aspect. But again, how much
of this is controlling us as usual? And back to
what I'm calling this tonight, the conductors without names, the
orchestrated attention to lumba, And the question, of course is
how much of you as you? And how much of
you is the granular data flowing through us on a
daily basis that creates a version of you that's undefinable.

(18:07):
And of course we're talking about building these reality tunnels
that we always talk about. Here's another, all right, exhibit four?

Speaker 8 (18:16):
This?

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Uh wait, no, is this the one? Oh man, it's
got to pay well, Okay, that'll be Exhibit five. One
second on that. I'll get that fixed to one moment here.
I know some tricks, I know some folks. I'll make
a phone call real fast and we'll fix this up.
At least I think we can fix this up anyway.
So okay, let's do that. Well it cooks, okay, so
bu uh okay. Instead we'll go to this one. The

(18:38):
SCIENTI has discovered how a scent can change your mind.
Like I said, back to the temple, back to incense,
back to imagine meeting somebody new and learning their name.
Their name is Eli, or their name is Michael, or
their name is Sophia, or the name is Jennifer, whatever
it is, right, whatever that name is. It gives you
an impression, It gives you a memory, It gives you
some kind of thing that you are now building this

(19:01):
larger aspect of this person on. Okay, it's the only
thing we can do since we can't read minds. Well,
not the only thing we can do, but you get it.
But what if this individual smells bad? What if this
individual smells good? Right, And some people are very very
very cooked intocent. Some people are not because they don't
smell as well. You know, their sniffer isn't quite dog like,
and some people can, you know, like a bloodhound can

(19:24):
smell a foul being miles away. And so anyway, so
scientists discovered how we sent can change your mind. The
study recently published in the journal p and AS Advances
aren't understanding of how the brain makes decisions by participating
in the storage of associations between different stimuli. And in
this case, of course, it is scent. I smell nice,

(19:46):
got some nice smell and deodoran on. I'm gonna tell
I'm not gonna tell a story about this. I'm sure
everybody's experienced something like this where there was everything pleasant
about a particular person except for the smell, and not
even to the point where they you know, smelled like
they crawled out of a sewer or something, but they
wore like a perfume or something that rubbed you the
wrong way, that just kind of hit your nose and

(20:08):
you were like, h like I smelled it, you know
what I mean? And how do you say that to somebody,
Not like they're going to change it for you, but
you get what I mean. I mean, like casual acquaintance
is not family or something anyway, So there we go.
So smell, think incense, think the temple, think again, all
of these things kind of blasting us from all different
directions in the ancient sense, the ancient human sense. Now

(20:29):
think of it in twenty twenty five, and all the
data in stimuli we're always experiencing as just this massive
waterfall of nonsense. I mean, dare I say it? Anyway? Okay,
So back to this, I got it. Now there we are. Okay,
there we go. I called in a favor. This is
from a popular mechanics the altered state of consciousness. This

(20:53):
altered state of consciousness feels like magic, and it could
be what humans are made for. And we'll get to
this after the break beause we're running out of time here.
But basically it's talking about the flow state, okay, and
humans likely evolved to reach this peak performance zone, and
this article is about how you can enter that flow state.
But I do wonder think of it this way, and
we'll get back to this in a second here and

(21:15):
ask you some of the important questions. Is it possible
to enter this flow state constantly and continually, or if
you're stuck in it, let's say, stuck in your best
your peak performance? Is it possible to stay there? Or
does that sort of erode? Does that become something less
than peak? Because now it's your standard, you feel, But

(21:38):
now you need, you know, to pinch yourself on the
butt to peak yourself up to a peak performance, right,
you see what I'm saying? Or a step on a nail,
or I mean, don't do that, don't do any of
those things. I'm just saying that is it possible for
this peak performance itself, that flow state to actually be
different on Monday than it is on Tuesday? You see
what I mean? And then take all of these ideas

(21:58):
together and then ask yourself, want more time? As we
wind down here at the bottom of the hour, are
you truly yourself? And how if you're not, or if
it's ish in any capacity here, how exactly do we
do something with this meaning? How do you recognize these things?
How do you stop in a moment and think truly?

(22:20):
Am I being manipulated by things I never considered? And
of course I'm calling it Conductors without names The orchestrated
attention to Lemma seven two nine, one zero three seven
click to discord like a troubleminds dot Org let me
hear your thoughts on this as usual. I don't know,
let's talk about it more Trouble Minds on the way,

(22:41):
be all right back.

Speaker 6 (23:00):
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behind the scenes of a dated feel of Christmas. Please
be locked in a cage, mister don Crief said a
fee other all died is still knowing under through Cordos

(23:23):
does she's acause of the voice system.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
To Far, I want to break all.

Speaker 6 (23:35):
Such silence. Live the cobra testes your memories like shadows
of low. Every choice made. It feels like it's my
own conspiral. Just a pup into the shop one of

(23:58):
th cords of planet Us. Shear comes out of the voices.

Speaker 9 (24:04):
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Speaker 4 (24:06):
Sie, I want to go.

Speaker 8 (24:08):
I want to break the more.

Speaker 6 (24:20):
In the kays of fun that she was getting that
I spoke gave notice breaking free. Less about the notistly
reclaimed my s favory cover voice remind one of the

(24:44):
Koda's US.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
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Speaker 6 (24:49):
The voices, so none Sie haben to Far, I want.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
To break the moon.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Welcome back to Troubled Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange.
We're streaming on YouTube. A rumble x, Twitch and kick.
We are broadcasting live on the Troubled Minds Radio Network.
That's KUAP Digital Broadcasting and of course eighty eight point
four FM Auckland, New Zealand. Tonight's Tonight's Tonight? Where is it?

(25:31):
Where is it? Tonight? Tonight? Good rhythm, scent and syllables
act as quiet switches in the mind, nudging judgment before
intention wakes, if flow, curiosity, and the four imaginations can
be tuned like dials. Are we living inside an orchestra
conducted by patterns rather than people? Or is this just coincidence?

(25:53):
With good pr a becomes the real question that sounds
very or well right anyway, That's what's on my mind tonight.
A lot of ways to look at this, and as usual, look,
I talk about identity a lot for a lot of reasons,
and you can guess that I've kind of gone through
some identity crises in my life of you know, kind
of forgetting who I was, forgetting where I came from,
forgetting what I would like to become, and forget, you know,

(26:16):
and not completely forgetting, but sort of wobbling. And they
say that, you know, if you hang out with a
particular group of people, or whatever. You start to become
like them, and sometimes not in the best ways. You know,
you hang around with a bunch of people who are
cursing like sailors, and even if it's not your way
or your style, you end up kind of cursying like sailors.
Not always, but you know, for the most part, you

(26:36):
kind of start to amalgamate into more of a collective.
And what's that that line from us? Shout out, James
if you're out there listening that the line from a
what is it? Men in black? Right where you know
a person is smart but a group of people are panicked,
crazies or whatever. Whatever that quote is. I'm not going

(26:57):
to pull it up, but you get it right. And
so this certainly becomes one of those things where we're
always being manipulated all the damn time, and some of
the most innocuous ways too. It doesn't necessarily have to
be some quiet controller or the man behind the curtain
flowing the social media stream out to turn you into
a monster. However, every little thing counts, and every little
thing does affect us. And so in that capacity, I

(27:19):
guess what do you think about all the rest of it?
There's more here we're going to get to the imagination
aspect of it, and curiosity and some of this other stuff.
There's a lot in this write up, but also how
much of this do you think really does affect us?
And if let's say you were aware of this, So
let's say I was aware of this. We'll use me
as the guinea pig use case here to discuss it.
If let's say twenty year old Michael Strange knew about

(27:41):
these things and consider them at twenty, how much different
would I be at fifty? Yeah, and I think it's very, very,
very different, becomes the answer, And it goes down to agency.
It comes down to again, you being able to make
your own decisions in the face of or the onslaught
of all of this information that's constantly trying to manipulate us,

(28:02):
and now that it's been weaponized with social media, now
that has been weaponized with the mass media and all
the information we're kind of getting all the time, it
turns things a little bit upside down. So okay, so
back to this, back to the again, all of this
is linked in the description. If you you're interested in
reading these articles in full, I do recommend you do.
And also the write up is pretty good tonight, so
check that out written by GPT five. Again my ideas,

(28:23):
but GPT five as part of the backbone of it.
What's the other thing? There's one more thing here? Here
we go. This is where we started. This is from
new scientists, and this is imagination now, and this really
kind of flows us down the trouble minds pathway as well.
As part of why I like to get weird. I
like to consider things that are obviously not true but
may have some basis in reality that goes back. Who knows,

(28:46):
maybe the things that we talk about have no basis
in reality in twenty twenty five, but what if they
did in nineteen fifty, what if they did in the
fifteen hundreds, what if they did in the year zero? Okay, however,
you wanted to find that those types of things are
still ideas we deal with today. So even if you
think they've sort of dissipated into the ether and they
don't affect us today, I think I would argue I

(29:09):
think they still do. It just depends. It's a scale
of again, our attention, which is why I'm calling it
the orchestrated attention dilemma. Now back to this so from
new scientists, the four types of imagination and how they
create our worlds. This is a fantastic article. Check it out.
Number one. I'm going to read you the four types
and then we'll talk about this reproductive imagination. They call it.
Conjure up the image of an apple in your mind's eye.

(29:32):
Is it green or red? Does it skin shine? Does
it have a stalk? Can you get a sense of
its weight as you gently twirl it? Does it have
a scent? Back to the scent. If these questions make
sense to you, you have created a sensory image of
an apple. This kind of imagination is known as reproductive.
You know in apple's properties, so you can reproduce apple

(29:54):
like sensations in the absence of the real thing when
you do. Research suggests the brain regions that active strongly
when you look at an apple activate weekly, giving your
imagery its visual feel. We know this because brain imaging
has shown directly that visual cortices fire up when we
visualize things. M the reproductive imagination two creative imagination. Now

(30:17):
we're cooking. Once we can create images of things in
their absence, there is plenty of scope for tinkering with
them when we do this, we nudge our reproductive imagination
into the productive also called the creative kind. We harness
the style of imagination in both humdrum contexts and innovative ones,
such as when a playwright creates a startling denument Is

(30:38):
that how you say that? Or a physicist posits a
new fundamental particle? Yes, not to be confused with the
chat GPT hallucination. Imagery seems to be a frequent ingredient
of the process of creation, but not an essential one.
As someone with afhantasia, which we've talked about quite a lot,
who lacks a visual mind's eye, is asked to imagine
an apple behind their eyelids. Nothing appears. Yet such individuals

(30:59):
can and also be creative, producing things that are new
and useful, from the latest tech to pieces of music. Three.
Perceptive imagination AH two kinds of imagination mentioned previously, arguably
the offspring of a more fundamental form, which is what
I love by the way, which allows us to experience
the world around us. We don't usually consider our day
to day perception of everything. We see the books at
our bedside table, our tooth brushes in the bathroom, this

(31:21):
guy as we step out the front door as imaginative,
but the latest research indicates there are strong reasons for
deeming it. So our weaken experience depends on our hard
won knowledge of the sensory world, from painstakingly learning to hear, see, smell,
and experience touch in collaboration with our brain's ceaseless activity.
And then, of course this is the one I talk
about quite a lot as well, cultural imagination. This is

(31:43):
number four. So now we come to concealed we're cultural imagination.
We are deeply cultural creatures, shaped by our heritage during
our individual lives and adapted to culture by our evolutionary history.
Our cultural heritage, from the style of clothes we wear
to the tools we use to prepare food and the
sort of homes we live in, is the cumulative creative
product of human imagination, but its imagination origins are often

(32:05):
invisible to us. And so there you go. There's this
is very good. I'm not gonna read the entire thing.
That was like about a third of it, but you
get the idea. Suddenly, all of these things are always
in motion around us all the damn time, and we're
being manipulated as usual. Back to these control mechanisms I'm
always talking about and it really comes down to agency.
So how much of you are you? How much do

(32:26):
you think and how much do you think this stuff
actually changes people? Not just changes people, let's say, changes
the core of their existence of who they are. And again,
as we always change, as we grow and learn things
and you know, hopefully become a better version of ourselves,
how much of this is holding us back? And that's yeah,
that's kind of it. There's a ton here. I could

(32:47):
start reading from the thing or whatever. I kind of figured. Look,
I was wobbly on this too, by the way. I
almost just candidate and was like, I'm out of here.
I'm not feeling this. How do I even explain all
these desperate elements anyway? Here? I am trying anyway, But
you get you get the point back to the old
idea of us as individuals are we clearly and obviously,

(33:13):
But how much of that is up to us? I
don't know. I think in our case and in our space,
I think it's it's complicated, but I think it's probably
deeper than we ever dreamed, in my opinion. And that's
why when I was kind of going through articles and
some ideas, I was like all of these things are
exactly what I'm always thinking, what I'm always talking about,

(33:35):
and is that my own bias? Yeah? Absolutely absolutely, But
also does that make it not true? Maybe, but also
maybe not as usual. I love to hear your thoughts
on this. Seven oh two ninety five seven one zero
three seven click the di according to Trouble Minds. Like
I said, I knew this might be a flop, but
if you guys are interested, I'd love to hear your
take on this and how much of is it?

Speaker 8 (33:54):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Gotcha do? We got Derek at the top of the
I appreciate that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know
the answers here, but I do know, like I said,
that some of this stuff does change, some of the
stuff does grow. We just did that Baseball show recently.
There was a period of my life where I hated baseball,
and not because it was something that really became I
don't know, like it reminded me of a bad time, okay,

(34:17):
and the bad time that I had. I will not
go too personal and too ridiculous, but you kind of
forget the things that you did love because they remind
you of other things. And so that's another control another
version of these control mechanisms that you forget entirely until
they start to take you over one step at a time,
one thing at a time, one idea at a time,
one name at a time, like Eli or Sophia. You

(34:39):
see what I mean. You start to kind of cook
all these ideas into one space, and suddenly it's always
bubbling with change. And we're in the middle where the
frog in the analogy of the heating water that doesn't
recognize that we're boiling, but we're boiling with influence. We're
boiling with these ideas that we talk talk about. Again,

(35:01):
this orchestrated attention, and that's why it's very important to
me to say to you guys, hey, look, I don't
know how much of this could be real, how much
of this could not be And when you decouple that truth,
this becomes a good place to be to me. Like
I said, this is very much therapy for me as well,
so you know, bear with me on that. But anyway, okay,

(35:21):
so lots of ways here. I'm gonna read a little
bit from this article, like I said, unless you guys
have some ideas, so I'd love to hear your thoughts
on this one. More time seven oh two nine five seven,
one's your three seven click to discordanly at troubleminds dot org.
A lot of ways to look at this, and as usual,
it's it's a little ambiguous as part of the idea
that which is which is the point is they kind
of look at this out of the fractured or yeah,

(35:42):
in the fractal, and out of the sort of concrete
sense of what consensus reality tells us to believe, because
I think it's quite a bit more than we can
ever fathom, because we can only encapsulate so much into
an identity, so much into one personal knowledge base. And
you see which again I'm describing as I always talk
about these very complicated reality tunnels. So here's what I'm

(36:04):
gonna do. I can just take a sip and come
back and talk about this. Someone to read a little
bit from the article we got Derek at the top
of the hour. If you guys aren't interested and I
don't want to call cool, we'll, as usual just kill
it a little early and then we'll come back on
Tuesday and try again. But you know, a lot of
things to talk about, a lot of ideas flowing through
my brain. I don't want to be too repetitive. But
then I don't want to talk about stuff I don't
know anything about or I'm not interested in. So you

(36:26):
see what happens. We kind of end up in these weird,
weird troubled mind style circles. Courtesy of one mister Michael Strange. Anyway,
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now as usual, this whole idea is incredibly ambiguous data
points all over the place. It's very anthropological in its scope. Okay,

(38:07):
because we can't really nail these things down directly, but
our intuition tells us that there's something here or there's
something not here. You lean one way or the other
right and what's up? The real JB says this. You know,
how much do parents influence their children simply by one
singular thing their name? Yeah, and shout out Gaston brought

(38:27):
this up the other night on the discord. There's an
individual that named two children two twins, not twins. I
think it's the seventh and eighth child winner and loser,
and which I'd never heard of before. Shout out Gaston.
Very smart guy. And I looked into it a little
bit and it's a fascinating story about how that actual
imprint of a baby being born and named a particular

(38:50):
thing can actually have lasting impacts throughout their lives. Now,
is that anecdotal? Yes, of course it certainly is, because
you would have to, you know, do horrific experiments to
actually figure this out. But I do think that again,
our intuition plays here and describes what we're sensing and
what we're seeing as part of it. So, yeah, I
don't know Sophia Again, does the name Sophia make you
feel at ease? Lumber time? Seven or two nine? One

(39:12):
zero three seven? Thanks to old friends bailing it, jumping
in here and bailing me out. You're the best, Joe
and Florida. What's going on?

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Brother?

Speaker 2 (39:17):
You're on trouble minds? How are you? And what's on
your mind?

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Go right ahead, don't Okay? All we are is that
the questions, and I know we are solved. Influence.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Yeah, whatever, Maybe maybe that's it. I didn't ask a
direct question. Yeah, how much are we influenced by all
these little things I'm talking about?

Speaker 4 (39:37):
I think we are. I think a lot. I think
this weekend I became I'm always consuming both great stage capitalism,
but I think I became a consumer this weekend because
it's you know, so is a somo. So you're missing out,
you know, in the system, the symptom of consumption. So

(39:59):
it was basically, you know, you get up, maybe you
get up in the morning, and I had my I
had a doctor told me that I had a doctor
basically tell me. He was more like a freaking yogi.
He was like, you got to get up, you got
to take the time, you got to bring it, you
got to be clear. It makes sense when you get

(40:20):
up in the morning and hopefully you have a clear
mind and maybe some goals for today. You know, definitely
try to stay away from social media because that doesn't
fluence you. That is orchestrated. But when we know that
we all do influence, how much can you block it out?

(40:44):
How much can you absorb? A lot of influence you'll get,
you know, But then who are we? Like you said,
who who are we? My therapist ask me what makes
you happy? You gotta feed yourself? You know what makes
you happy? Who are you? How do you check?

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Do we ever really know?

Speaker 4 (41:09):
You're gonna beating your show? Because I apologize, I was
in and out because I'm trying to get this. We'll
get my printers going on Sunday and I was gone
all weekend, so we came home today. We're trying to
cram everything in. But basically, you know, you get up,
go about your day and I don't know what's going on.

(41:35):
You've got it up states for social media. You start
to get agitated and you're you're you're crappy on everybody
else around you. You know, for me to what makes
me happy? You don't play hockey. Don't play hockey. You
ain't got time to think about anything else. You are
at base level. It's you, the ice, a bunch of friends.

(42:02):
You ain't got time to think. Not that we play check,
but you don't got time to think. Everything is left. No,
if I had to say myself, I cutting death for
everybody else, everybody else in this audience was their favorite
thing to lose themselves in. And maybe that would be
are we ourselves? What's our base level? If you have

(42:23):
to say a based reality, is there really something that
we could just lose hours doing happiness and sadness? To me,
what kind of extremes their emotions? So what are we are?
We pulled on a string. And you know, again when
you started the show, I kind of want my train

(42:44):
of thought. But when you were introduced on the show
and I was out here and get some pieces, what
popped in the mind is we're, you know, advertise monotone whatever.
We're pulled on strings like a puppet, you know, with
a meat sit basically, But it's out of a scary

(43:06):
need to see because we know that we're influenced, you
know what. A lot of the shows come back to
being influenced in this outright negativity. I mean, and I
don't care.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
You know.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
We could view things and really it's a political game,
you know, for being none of them are good. But
while there's no good news, in my opinion, there's no
good news. Like I read a couple of articles here
and there, I read some curious things. I find that
it starts to get me agitated. And that's just when

(43:42):
I turned it off. I mean again my own social
media in study this book, I had to turn it
off for a couple of weeks. I got back on
it because you want to know, a concerts are going on,
might want to promote yourself a little bit, might want
to do a couple of things, you know, and see
some things, but then you see something that triggers you
and you want to share it because you kind of

(44:02):
can't help with the sarcastic joke. You know, well, we'll
just pop into my head. Let's get What gets even
scarier is the level of AI that is really starting

(44:23):
to fool people. It's fooling me, you know, it's foolsome people.
And I could be ready to agitate. Are you really
naturally an agitated person? Are he's just the nice guy
you like? Can go in the locker room, we can
talk about, you know, putting big game, somebody's jockstrap, we're
putting clear table the bottom, somebody escape laid, which, by

(44:45):
the way, I don't do that because you can really
hurt somebody. But I've done that doing little tricks and
jokes and things like that. But I meant you bring
up we don't have set up the four of the show.
You the way you bring up a certain subject, Agent
Smith pops out. So are we ourselves?

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah, it's a hell of a question that agent's meth
effect too. Is it definitely fits into this conversation? And
I think the answer is no, unless we really guard
against it and recognize these sort of micro influences and
even macro influences on a daily basis. I think the
answer is certainly know can you be yourself? And it
also goes back to Carl Jung too. He said that

(45:26):
becoming yourself as you know, sort of his greatest privilege
or something like that, your true self, who you're supposed
to be, not manipulated by everything around you.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
Yeah, gohead, you know you know what I think. I mean,
this is a this is a this is a far range.
It's a far graph. But you know how they say,
these kids, like a lot of just proved it. We
love the past life, but they're like seven or eight
years old, we forget about it.

Speaker 8 (45:52):
You know.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
It's a stretch trying to make a connection with that.
But maybe there is on the age to hear yourself,
like like right now, I feel like I'm in big life.
I'm I think it was funny because I ruled my
life and I were you were jump in the pool
last night. They well tell her to stay that way.
I had DJ Friday night and did a lot of driving.

(46:13):
Then we were shopping at see had some somebody you
call it shops love you call it dog and Allington's
wants to know what they called them? You know, the
outlets we were shopping some outward stuff and basically at
the end of the day, you know, we were in
the pool at out a clock at night. There was
some buy of the pool with just two kids. The
kids were one of the kids was like twenty and

(46:34):
the other kid might have been like fifteen. And I
didn't usually talk to anybody who was just stubbing the pool.
And he was like, hey, the waters that pool and
it rained and rained all day anyway, started at a
pool and was just kind of you know, the wife
and I were like, hey, we you know, we have
the bluetooths people, do you mind if we play some music?
And we're trying to do courteous you know, and he's like, no, dude,
go ahead, you know, just play some music. So homes

(46:55):
playing some some pubby stuff, probably about age appropriate for myself.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
You know.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
There was a talking you know, I looked at him
and he's like, I don't even fifty yet. He looked like,
you can have a dollar fifteen. I'm fifty two. I
don't think I look like I'm fifty two now, you know.
But it was funny because me and his kid, we're
talking about music to my daughter's music, and when I
was d drinking the night before. Now he was telling me,
he's like that. I used to go, you know, in

(47:20):
the nineties of my house seeing with all of that.
But he's changed, like they've changed. And I kind of
feel stuff because I kind of feel like I'm still
doing the same thing. But it makes me happy. So
what does it? What does it mean to be a
grown grown up? I got to cut the threads that
are animating now. Haven't you sent it threads to manipulate me,

(47:43):
to make me a different puppet. It's kind of weird.
I've been struggling with that to my own. Persons are
anywhere all gonna have it one or another, you know,
just to you know, guys want music, Guys want some stupidity.
Guys want maybe a car, you know, a little side go,
a little card you could enjoy and go out and
cruise with, maybe a sport. I like those things, two

(48:06):
or three things I like. But the older I get
the system, the large system, wait stage capitalism. When you
look at your four O and K, you're like, wow,
I don't have that much in there. But it's because
over a decade of my life, I was stuck working
at a job and took advantage of me, and I
have to keep a job because my son was sick

(48:28):
with currents and I had to keep that job. And
I literally told my bosses, you know, I don't expect
you to understand. And I had a family, and they
really told me, you need to make a choice.

Speaker 8 (48:39):
Right.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
So all of those things turned me a tool monster
for quite a while. Right, I'm trying to to be
that monster. And my wife tells me I'm much better.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Right.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
My mom tells me, we thought you were going to
have a heart attack, Tash. Still, that's my protection. That's
just a naturally that's done. We then, I know, weally
say that. It's kind of a audible thing. The when
things happen this weekend with the weather, I think I
turned everything right. I was like calling it out. It
was just weird, self fulfilling, but it was in a

(49:19):
funny way. But every little thing for getting up and
this lead to music of the way to work and
just trying to you know, felt like a butterfly.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Still, what could be?

Speaker 4 (49:30):
Just get to work every good time and literally you
see a moron of traffic and you come on, gluod,
I think we've all done that, you.

Speaker 8 (49:39):
Know, you literally come on glue.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
So I don't know and to what ends? To what
end to a cyclical to a cyclical repeat of another
war lives taken hating our neighbors, which you know, we're
neighbor and I we have opposite views. I want to
love my neighbor, and I've said that on the show before,

(50:03):
but lately I'm like, I don't think I really want
to talk to my neighbor about anything. He doesn't bring
it up. If he doesn't bring it up, he doesn't
bring up the stark difference of views that we have.
He doesn't bring it up anymore. And I don't want
to ask for me because he feels guilty because he's
worried with his wife right end up in the back
of a truck because she doesn't speak an English. I

(50:25):
don't know. I hopause that wasn't a real show, but
it worries me, it warns me. So I hear the music.
We just need to put the time again, and it's
in the morning, and we want to take up breath
and try to be instimality.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
If you can do that, I can hear that. Here's
the best. Appreciate the call. Always a pleasure. You have
a fantastic night. We'll talk to you soon to take
care of me. Good friend for a long time. You're
got back. More Trouble Minds coming. I appreciate that call
getting kicked off and got Derek the Knightstalker coming up
in herschel on your calls as well. Don't go anywhere.
More Trouble Minds on the way, be right back. Welcome

(51:21):
back to Troubled Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange. We're
streaming on YouTube, rumble x, Twitch and kick. We are
broadcasting live on the Troubled Minds Radio Network. That's KUAP
Digital Broadcasting and eighty eight point four FM Auckland's New
Zealand Tonight. I'm calling this conductors without names, the orchestrated
attention dilumba. Now, how much of you or you? Basically,

(51:43):
this can rhythm, scent and syllables act as quiet switches
in the mind, nudging judgment before intention wakes. If flow,
curiosity and the four imaginations can be tuned like dials.
Are we living inside an orchestra conducted by patterns rather
than people? Or is this just coincidence with good pr
and as usual, coincidence plays a massive role not just

(52:05):
in being human, but in identity, in destiny and all
these free will conversations we're always having, which is ancient philosophy.
And so that's why this stuff is endlessly fascinating to me,
because as we get inundated with all this information on
a daily basis, how does that reframe the old ways
and the old ideas that we've always been talking about

(52:26):
that we're always I think we always should be thinking about.
But I'm a weirdo, So I mean you know that place.
I'm certainly a weirdo. Love me to hear your thoughts
on this. A lot of places to take it. The
articles are really desperate and kind of pointing in the
same direction. However, it's all about control mechanisms all the
damn time. So how do we stop this, how do
we change this, how do we recognize it? And how

(52:46):
do we become our truest self? In twenty twenty five
seven oh two nine one zero three seven click the
discord link at Troubledminds dot Org. Will put you on
the show just like this. Derek, Massachusetts, What's the Brother
the Knights? Talker? That song cracks me up every single time.
Welcome to the thing how you're feeling tonight. Thanks for
jumping in here and saving me. Thanks to Joe. Special

(53:07):
thanks to Joe for kicking us off. Special thanks to you.
The old friends have some things to say. I appreciate it,
even if this isn't the jam. I mean, sometimes it's
not the best jam, but I appreciate it. Here you're
way too polite. But what's on your mind regarding this?
A lot of ways to take it all years my man.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Yeah, I'm scrambling at work, so I might be a
little at the reels, but I get some some name stuff. First.
You got me coming thinking about about names and everything
for me personally.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
I like my name.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
We're talking about kind of like death Andy or kind
of what what the power of names or whatever? I
like my name. My mom used to always joke about
naming me Jake. She wanted to name me Jake Jake
Murphy for the longest time, but then at the last
minute she thought that Jake Murphy was like, guess, going
to be a pool player, so she thought that the
Derek Murphy give me more options or whatever. But I mean,

(54:00):
which was funny when I was five, but now I'm
thirty five and amerking a supermarkets and now maybe a
pool player could have been aspirational for me at this point.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
You know, it could have been a crowd boss, like
a local box.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yeah exactly, Hey going on, But like it's I I
go by like different names sometimes, so like like my family,
like growing up is Derek, and then like also growing
up like Murphy Murphy you guys, you guys call me
stalker or nice talker. In college, uh, my friends called

(54:30):
me like my roommates called me Scale for like Brian Scalabrini,
who was like red Head and the Celtics at the time.
So like when I was like living in college, I
would like here, like think of Scale in my head
sometimes I like in my my inner monologu when I'm
at like in the in the throw of the college
or whatever. So it's weird to associate. And then if
I hear somebody from different walks of life called me
the wrong name, it kind of hits my ear differently.

(54:53):
So I think names are pretty interesting. Ever see a
Seinfeld where George thought of he wanted a name his
kids seven after Mickey Mantle, and he was all fired
up about He's like, oh, I got all picked out
I got all picked out, and then one of his
friends he had hit but he had no like white
for kids or anything. And then one of his friends
he like he ran it by him. And then one
of his friends got pregnant and named their kids seven
years all pissed off, like, I can't my copy you now,

(55:15):
I can't. I can't name my kids seven after you
name your kids seven. And it's all about kind of
the fighting for the uniqueness of the name. But uh yeah,
but I.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Haven't seen that one. But it does sound very Seinfeld, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
So don't get me wondering like about I'm not sure
I wished to hit first here, but the nominative nominative determinism,
the kind of the the destiny of your name, so
to speak. And I don't have a kind of time
to google, like I put to more examples of this, like,
but I just can't think of any. But I'll stop
my head. In the conspiracy world, the big chemicatrill guy

(55:52):
that watched the Sky's documentary, his name is Matt Landman.
The during COVID, the guy who came up came with
the The Geram guy who came up was Andrew Kaufman.
It was the he was the COVID germ guy, and
then Anthony Wiener famously trouble for Benny picks up with
Wiener around. So it's like we're kind of nominative determinism,

(56:16):
Like does your name kind of the jectory of your life?
Because your name is Wiener? Are you are you destined
to get in trouble for sex and the meaner picks
to everyone? Or like your name is Landman, so you're
gonna be famous for talking about the guy or Kaufman
talking about germs and just weird how there's all kind
of examples like that, But you're kind of a what's
in a name? Does? Does two names matter? I'm kind
of sent me up. I'm rambling a little bit, but no.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Perfect And I think that's exactly the point. Back to
that shut out to Gaston, you know, the guy who
named his two sons winner and loser. Yeah, and so
it actually flipped. So I was reading about that a
little bit and it flipped. So Winner became like a
rap sheet for you know, forty counts against him and
spend a ton of time in prison and you know
all the rest. But the other guy, Loser actually became
you know, like a follow the law became like a

(57:00):
decorated police officer that moved up the chain, you know,
had a clean record and good credit and all the
rest of it. But it's basically the opposite. And like
I said, it's it's very you know, anecdotal as I
as I described there. But I do wonder how much
like sort of power that that does bestow upon an
individual just the name itself shout out real Jason Parker.

(57:20):
He brought that up as part of it. And I
think that may be one of the more more fascinating
aspects of this because we'll talk about, you know, becoming
yourself or you know, a sort of moving into he
dam I'm gonna keep pushing the wrong button, moving into
the space of who you are, who you're to become.
And it does bring about agency, it does bring about determinism,
all all the rest of the things free will that
we always talk about. But I do wonder, you know,

(57:42):
like if my name was John, would I be here
at all?

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Like?

Speaker 2 (57:45):
And that becomes the bizarre question here and the answer
might be no, And I don't know. It's it's it's deep,
and it's it's heavy, and there's a lot here and
So I don't know, I think you're I think you're
spot on with what you're describing with and especially the
unique name to a name like seven, like and you know,
the the late eighties, early nineties whatever and whenever Seinfeld
was how funny enough that that that sort of notion
is now it's the doors are off the barn, like

(58:08):
people are name and everybody everything now like there's there's
there's no traditionalism in naming, and it's we're seeing more
and more wild names that have never been used in
you know, out in the wild. It's a it's an
incredible thing to consider. So what does that mean for
the future.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
You can kind of see that like be switched. I
guess around this kind of nineties Seinfeld time, because like
growing up in nineties classrooms and stuff that you have,
Like I grew up with like probably four or five
dereks in my graduating class and stuff that might have
been one or two dereks like taking attendance or whatever.
And there's usually I mean there's like probably fixed mics
and three chris'es and four John's or whatever, a bunch
of Emiali's and stuff, and then there was like the

(58:45):
a few random unique unique ones or a few unique spellings,
random spellings like stuff, and then you get kind of
the scient fellow joke about, oh, it'd be cool to
have a unique name, like kind of pep talking with
what I'm gonna name my hid And then the early
oughts you get the select nobody start doing it with
like quinnetouchow names of kid Apple and everything with a
really famous one at the time and stuff. But then

(59:06):
if you look at like like uh, Key and Peel
had a famous sketch, but they're doing like NFL players
names and stuff and all the ridiculous names that a
players that have and stuff, and it's like somewhere during
like at some point over the last like twenty five,
twenty five years, thirty years, that like our generation of
parents were convinced that like their child has a better
chance to make it as a pro athlete that nobody

(59:28):
else has their name if they were a super unique
pro athlete sounding name and something. All of a sudden,
you get like everyone has these ridiculous unique names and
almost becomes like a big mess. And it'd be kind
of like it's like if everyone's tattooed, you become unique
by having no tattoos, like everyone has a kind of
if everyone's name seven and weird nonsense name of the
apple and stuff, then all of a sudden, Mike and
Chris become like cool names again, you know, George.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Like yeah, it turns on his head. Yeah, you're right,
and like it is it is odd that I think
you're right that some of the you know, professional athletes
that were literally obviously like almost as if they're trying
to manifest that that you know, back to you know,
back to Herschel and the Baseball Show. You know that
that lucky aspect of being one of the very few, tiniest,
smallest pool of people, the top one of one percent

(01:00:12):
type of thing that are lucky enough to get paid
millions of dollars to play a kid's game, and by
naming them sort of a magical sounding athletic level name,
I mean maybe maybe they're doing it. I don't know,
because we certainly remember them, right because because of the
cool name they have or whatever. But then also I
wonder if it's it is sort of a magical boost
in some sense to the individual themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
You know, yeah, no, for sure, for sure, and then
kind of the how Yeah, I don't know, I mean,
and like for the loser win or loser thing. You
can kind of see I have no idea how these
people are and stuff, but you can kind of see
potentially how a name loser you might want to overcompensate
for having a name loser, and you try really hard,
and if you a winner, I can just imagine kind
of just the montage of them going through their school

(01:00:54):
days and stuff and ones being held up like on
people's shoals and stuff. You're the winner, like, oh, like
the guy's so cool winner, and then your name is
the loser and kind of have no friends. They can't
get girls because they names the loser and stuff. But
he's spending more time studying or you're not like spending
money or getting in trouble. Your brother's going up partying
and stuff, and you kind of the two trajectory is
going and just it ends up like becoming the opposite

(01:01:17):
like not because it's thearly the parents manifested it because
you you we will was kind of skewed by trying
to overcompensate with this name you were given kind of
and then like so kind of we've one or two
generations and definitely like culturally, like I don't want to
go to Farntess, but like heavy a unique name and

(01:01:39):
certain cultures is super important and stuff and creating a
name and spending a name, combining parents names together and
stuff depending on what culture it is and everything, the
uniqueness of the name to the lot about the person
and everything. So now what if the elites have kind
of a similar thing happening and kind of they base
the name on like the matria or like numerology and
that type of stuff. And if I had more time,

(01:02:00):
I would have I would have tried to, like to
whig of my fear of search for all those names
in the lists and see if they were like, yeah,
the same like value as tale the names and then
listen to them, like, well they all sound cool because
they all have this weird esoteric value that you would
never know unless you punish these numbers and stuff. And
like it's like with the uniqueness of the name the

(01:02:22):
screen in the Hollywood, which is the big time movie magic.
We're talking about this influence of stuff, these hidden influences.
You're not allowed to have the same name as another person.
So I tell you get like Paul, like Anderson and
Paul each w Anderson the Directors or whatever, or Michael
Keaton's real name is Michael Douglas, but he had to
change his name to Michael Keaton when he ended the
Screen Actors Guild and stuff. Then that the Hollywood, the

(01:02:44):
what we see is the most blatant magic in our
culture values unique names, like Michael Jordan had to be
Michael B. Jordan in order to be because Michael Jordan
nique enough or whatever. And then with that, like Michael
Jordan is the famous story when he hit the game
winning shot for the Tar Heels in college and then

(01:03:04):
his dad says, like, that's when Mike Jordan became Michael Jordan,
and now nobody calls him. It's like, I want to
be like Mike, but when you're talking about Michael Jordan,
you call him Michael. Hey, Michael's coming. They with up Michael,
and like, how does that make a difference. But if
it was just Mike Jordan, if he didn't have to
hit that shot, his name didn't get changed by the media.
Is Michael Jordan held as the greatest player of all time?

(01:03:26):
Or if Scotty Pippen is Scott Pippen, is his name different?
Or if Bill Gates goes by William Is his name
different those because the Jamatray values for all those things
would be completely different. So for like Scotty Pipen, I
think that's probably happenstance. But for somebody like Bill Gates
who ends up being unbelievably powerful, I wonder if somebody knew,

(01:03:47):
let's call him Bill instead of William. You know, it's
same with Bill Clinton or whatever, that there's potentially some
kind of number power in a name like that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
With that, Yeah, no, I wonder, and that that would
be magic again, deep magic from the dawn of time
and some some secrets being kept if that were the case.
And uh, mister Michigan Control noted that as well. He's
he's uh in the chat ways back saying everybody, look
up here Jamatria for your name, and then see what
this type of stuff says. And I do wonder, like

(01:04:17):
I'm not an I've done that kind of messed around
with some ideas in the past, and you know, put
my own name in and all this stuff, and even
Michael Strange right because my name is not my name.
I have my name. My last name is different for
obvious reasons. So people don't knock on my door when
I visit Vegas. No offense. You're all great, but you
know what I mean that it's it's difficult to keep up.
And so so I wonder, right and that did I

(01:04:37):
did I unmagic myself or did I you know, tod
did I did I make it better? Did I make
it worse? That doesn't matter. I don't know. I think
it's an interesting thing to think about, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Yeah, And it's like you, I mean, that is that
kind of like a hidden almanac that they have kind
of some green information that it goes beyond kind of
just h for marketing purposes. A screen act is skill
doesn't want to have double names because absoutely some kind
of they know that they need to have different gematria
values to insertain different roles. If you're talking about recurring

(01:05:08):
systems or recurring patterns and stuff that probably know, maybe
the names don't recur all the time in history, but
if you were to replace the names in history with
their gematria of values, and like we're in the history books,
I wonder if it would match up more often. Then
we realized that like the name like important generals had
the same value as important generals thing interview years earlier,
or like Elon's name is like has the same value

(01:05:30):
as like Carnegie or something like that, like one of
these upper barons or whatever that Like we have like
cycrical patterns and kind of these different cogs have to
fit into the machine, like different roles of a team.
So you have to kind so if like if you're
growing up and you know that there's like a really
good quarterback the year ahead of you in school, we

(01:05:50):
might be more inclined to tell your kids to like
maybe be your running back because you use there's a
like a less chance for you to start. It's as
like a it's like the coaches kid quarterback the year
ahead of you or whatever. So you're trying to align
your role. So like if you know that, oh, in
twenty years, we're going to need somebody with the four
twenty jamatri value, let's name our kid x or whatever,

(01:06:12):
and then like you could you see like the elites
where there's rumor that the elites people are not even
the elites, just anybody who has values astrology a lot
might induce labor to have their kid born in a
certain day because their birthdate matters and stuff. So if
all these different ingredients potentially affects a life path, then
I mean, for all we know that's that's going into

(01:06:33):
it and everything, and that could be like go up
the ladder. It could even more extreme with these like
five D entities and the lovecrafting entities and stuff like
or like Rumple still skins the unique name or like
Superman as mister mc fidlick and stuff. And it's kind
of the same deal as if you he won't tell
you his name and once you because his power in
it or whatever, and it's probably pretty unique. I mean

(01:06:53):
even amongst DC fans they argue about like how you
even say it and stuff, and if you say it,
you kind of trap them whatever, like like the that
they're binding, like the name binds them. So do the
name bind this to a certain life path? Speak? And
then any doesn't that before him?

Speaker 8 (01:07:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
No, And Rumpel Stoltskin thing does does come to mind
as part of this, like that the naming magic of
knowing the true name and having control over and all
the rest of it. Yeah, it's a again fascinating how
all of this stuff does kind of come back, even
sort of indirectly. I wasn't thinking any of this stuff,
but it certainly plays into this space one because once
again ambiguously, how do you really quantify the name change

(01:07:36):
of somebody before they're born, have them live a life,
and then get a dueler and then name them something else.
You just can't, like without a time machine and stuff
and the you know, weird eugenic style actual science, you
just can't do that stuff. And so I don't know,
like this type of thing it does again really harkens
back to destiny and and you know whether this stuff
is real or.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Not, Yeah, I mean for the hitting controlers and stuff.
Is my part of the corporate, Like these ingredients matter,
and like if I had the resources, I would find
out as much information as I possibly can, and stuff
like obviously if you gonna name your kids, but if
you're gonna try to, you know, found like a major corporation,
like something like the Facebook. If you watch Social Network,

(01:08:16):
there's the Famos scene where just in Timberlake, the guy
Napster tells tells them to because it originally it was
the Facebook. He's like, just just make it Facebook. It's
cleaner stuff, and like ayah, it is cleaner, and like
does does Facebook seems clunky and stuff. But for all
we know Facebook, I mean for all we know, like
it's like Facebook and Dough Facebook have two different deematraty values.
So I don't know what that would mean, and like

(01:08:38):
maybe somebody might and stuff and then you become one,
like the Facebook is just on MySpace. Facebook becomes like
big brother and stuff, and there's like two different destinies
and everything. And I wonder if there's kind of these
wordsid device type people that are running these things all
the time, Like these different corporations will name themselves something different,
like Netflix, they come up with that, Like obviously there's

(01:09:00):
different punds and stuff, but everybody to get to a
certain level. That was the CEO that of Netflix. So
the was Ford's nephew and Edward Bene's nephew.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
Stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
So combine those two things that I wonder what that,
I mean what that and like the logo, like they
chose red on purpose to kind of be the opposite
of Blockbuster and everything, but also could toast associate themselves
with the kind of the McDonald's red or the kind
of the the dominant redness that's we talked about. That's
like people know about that the red and yellow color
magic type of stuff. And this is like from a

(01:09:31):
person who worked that that's not even conspiracy. That's that's
why they picked red for Netflix and everything. But they
know that Netflix are a certain value and stuff. So
we're talking about letters and math and everything, but the
same way the sounds, so the different Bill Gates and
William Gates found different Mike Jordan and Michael Jordan have
different sounds. Like, so is that like everything you're talking about.

(01:09:51):
I'm trying to wrap it up everything you're talking about,
the letters, the sound, the imagine, like that's abercadabra, kind
of the imagination is kind of Hollywood and kind of
sigil magic and stuff in the real. Like one of
my friends from the Eyes Open group, my friend and
from like back in the day be I said something

(01:10:12):
that kind of stuck with me back and she's like, notice,
how come all these corporations now are like dropping vowels
from there, like at phrases from the corporations and stuff.
So now like if you're a new if you're a
new like app, or you're a new tech corporation that
came out posts twenty ten, because there are you have
no valuable vowels in your corporation name whatever. And she's like,

(01:10:33):
is that sigil magic? And best of my knowledge, yes
it is and stuff. And you're manipulating the how like
what is being like the you're manipulating the lamp fade
through which that like force is being being through to
cast a different rainbow on the wall and stuff. And
we do that all the time with our like being
mindful and trying to patrol our emotions and everything, so

(01:10:56):
that like a reality is different, but so were the
powers that be their images all around to us and
different sound and stuff. And I think basically what you're
talking about is just all magic. It's just like the
hidden magyptians that are pulling the strings.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Basically, yeah, you know what that brings to mind actually,
which again I didn't even think about it until you
started saying it. Is that removing the vowels from that.
And in the writing aspect, we know how to say it,
like if you say you know pixel, but p XL,
we know how to say pixel. However, let's say ten
thousand years from now, somebody sees PXL and they're not
sure if it's pax PAXOL or right, you rearrange the

(01:11:33):
vowels in there, and nobody really actually knows outside of
like a contextual version of knowing the language and knowing
the culture, which brings to mind, of course, the ancient Egyptians.
They wrote without vowels, and when you talk about sigil
magic and the cartouches and all the things we've talked
about in the past as part of that, certainly there's
that bizarre aspect of it where they did the same thing,

(01:11:54):
and there are certain versions where they kind of added
vowels in particular cases a different dyna these or whatever.
But for the most part, by and large, as far
as I'm aware, like ninety five percent of the Egyptian
script you find are without vowels, So I do wonder.
So we're still guessing in terms of how to say
these words because we know the consonants, but we have

(01:12:15):
no idea if it's an O or an A and
an A or an e or whatever. And that becomes
interesting that you're describing that in terms of what's happening
with branding. I mean, holy smokes, maybe it is sigil
magic entirely.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Yeah, I mean it seems to be like important in magic,
Like I don't practice magic, but just the famous aber
kadaber and everything that words obviously spelling, it's in guessing
spells that like the power is in the words and
how the words sound, and stuff like the Panta cliche
would be there taking price out of Christmas by calling
it xmus and stuff and that just the the subliminally

(01:12:51):
you're doing something. So it's just like that's kind of aunt.
I don't think I believe that, but just for the
metaphor of it, haunts like we talk about out don't
advertising in our dreams and how like spooky and scary
that is and stuff. But I just don't think it'd
be as blatant as just commercials that are just this
is an ad here. I think this real scary ad

(01:13:13):
is the ones that are running all the time all
around us. The colors of the corporations, the signs like
the the I don't know, the weird little fingles and earworms,
and just like the posters, and just like the it's
dangerous when like sin. From the best of my knowledge,
syde of magic is is you have a goal in mind,
like a so for this, for this greater for the

(01:13:36):
show to say, like a life destiny mind or like
a corporate corporation destiny like an end goal, and then
you want to like kind of turn that into a
picture or the example what I was given originally was
just remove the vowels from it, so to turn that
phrase into like one word that's kind of a nonsense word,
and like put it in the corner of your dashboard
in your car so you're not looking at it in

(01:13:56):
the corner of your eye all the time. And then
eventually that you'll manifest like kind of your conscious mind
will kind of forget what it is. You won't really
be looking at it even, but your subconscious mind will
know what it is. So a corporation some like nonsense
word are like you just said, like our subconscious mind
knows what it is. We know how it sounds and everything,
but our conscious mind doesn't really know can register it

(01:14:16):
like on the surface like that, and then it's like
all around us you walk down the store, these labels
all around, like the bus has billboards on it, like
the walking like main Street has all these like signs.
I don't know control We know every color and shape
and extra and sound is like is like hitting a
cheek code in a video in a video game control
of the simulation is hitting the extra triangle B was

(01:14:38):
square like all around us manipulate in the game. Probably
know and are we NPCs? We can we do that ourselves?
Or I don't know. It seems like that. Basically, it
seems like what magic is and there ward of Oz
is zuing magic.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
I guess its something here. I fire no rambles for me,
always always a pleasure man. And yeah, like a So
this is a whole other rabbit hole in my head
now because I do wonder about sort of that removing
the vowels as part of these brandings, and I know
you guys are noticing it too. They're doing it, and
they're changing the way the script is. It's sort of
more block text. It's not used to be sort of

(01:15:12):
gradients or you know, background uh uh color shading, and
now it's not if they've they've removed the picks, the
uh sorry, the the the vowels shortened things and they
made it like this block text. So it looks very
I don't know, very very particular.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
For sure, it's sounds names imaginations, fibri. You're coloring the world.
You're give them, You're give them the parameters, the paper,
the colors, the paint with and the different keystrokes, and
I mean it seems like they're controlling ultimoever at us.

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all the places troubleminds dot org. Don't forget to follow
our friends Troubleminds dot org, forward slide Friends. Tonight we're
talking to conductors without names. I'm calling it the orchestrated
attention dilemma, and not just with names in particular. You know,
let's say my name's Mike. What if I had been
named John or Jimmy or Jack or Bobby you're sue?
Would I be different? And would I still be here

(01:17:03):
talking about wild things by dark of night?

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
I'm not so sure. And how much does that actually
influence you as an individual to become well, for you're
destined to be a lot of wild ideas here a
lot of ways to take this. We were talking about
scent and imagination and ideas, but basically the whole point
is control mechanisms. That's the whole point of this conversation tonight.
And the name thing really strikes home with what Derek

(01:17:26):
was describing is the Hollywood bit and again the removing
the vowels and now suddenly we have sort of an
ancient connection to the Egyptians. I mean, this is strange
and it's also incredible to seem, well, maybe this is
all manufactured. As always, as we always talk about, love
to hear your thoughts on this. How weird does it get?
What do you know about it? If you were named
something else, would you be different than you are today?

(01:17:47):
Seven h two ninety five seven one zero three seven rushell,
Thanks for being patient, my man, you are the best.
What is on your mind tonight? Take this anywhere you like,
as you know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
Well, excuse me, Oh sorry, everybody. I've been really over slately.
I don't know why. I use a lot of pseudonyms,
and the reason I don't know why, it's some different reasons,
but it puts me in a position like outside myself
in a way. It's weird. It's like I feel like

(01:18:18):
I can be removed from on the rapid news or
from the limitations that I have or something. I don't
know what it is, but it's just kind of like
creating a character to write from is really fun for me,
and I picked names for characters like this. One character

(01:18:40):
was he's a he's a volunteer fireman, and he's an
ex ball player and his name is Antler Pestal, So
like that's really you know, it's really phallic. But antlers
and pestels are also really mystical in their own right,

(01:19:03):
you know what I mean, You know what I'm saying.
So that was his name, and he's like this mystical
kind of dude and stuff like that. But and so
sometimes I pick names like that, like a couple of
characters in that same book. One the female name is Jasmine,

(01:19:25):
and then her partner, his name is Spiro, but he
has nicknamed Mint, like spear Mint, so everybody calls him Mint,
you know, and they and these two end up together,
Jasmine and Mint. So those are just kind of fun
vehicles for ideas, you know what I mean, And names

(01:19:51):
when you're writing, you're doing creative writing, names can be
fun vehicles to take people on little rides all by themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Yea, you know it sounds like a reinforcement effect of
the larger contextual space of the story, which which I
get to go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
Yeah, for sure, that's totally true. It's a lot of fun.
Herschel Sterling are Herschel and Sterling are two horses. Actually,
the horse's name was Hershey because of his coat he
looked like Hershey syrup. But I always called him Herschel
because he had been abused, and I wanted to give

(01:20:32):
him some extra respect and honor and make him feel
more grown up and more like you know what I mean,
like more more noble. So I always called him Herschel.
I never called him Hershey. And then Sterling was another Homer,
so who was just like really cool and the two
words sound really good together. I said, I'm going to
be Herschel Sterling when I write.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
But I love it.

Speaker 8 (01:20:54):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
I always wonder, by the way, I always wondered.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Yeah, and my my real name is my real name
is Robert. That's my real first name. Now, well, something
about the baseball I've got a lot on this subject,
something about the baseball stuff. When I was a young
guy and I was introduced to the association and everything,
I learned a lot of stuff. And one of the

(01:21:20):
things I learned was about this is a big number too,
Like at the time, I don't know what it is now.
When a ballplayer goes to the professional level, once he
gets into the minor leagues, and he's got like a
contract that stands very often, what they do is they
create a company and the league or the team pays

(01:21:42):
the company, and then then the company plays pays the player.
Because the company has a lot of expenses. He's got
to pay his trainer, he's got to pay for equipment,
he's got to pay for the different like physical type therapists,
and these guys have staffs, like big staffs. Some of

(01:22:02):
the individual ballplayers have big staffs to help them become
the very best that they can be, you know what
I mean. And so they have to pay all those people,
and they pay themselves as an employee. And what I
learned is it was like I don't remember the number,
but it was close to twenty percent of ballplayers don't
even use their real legal names, and they make up

(01:22:24):
a name for their company and that's what goes on
their uniform.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
And their baseball card.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
That's great, yea, yeah, because there's different reasons. They might
not be pleased with their family. They might be VIPs.
They might just want privacy and they don't want their
kids at school bothered by people or something, you know
what I mean. Like, there's all kinds of reasons why
that happens. But that's a thing too. They make up

(01:22:49):
their names. Some of them make up their names that
are on their uniforms. That's not their real name.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
That's wild. It's basically in the baseball space like that.
The joke is that if you get a playerund of
the Dominican, their probably two or three years older than
you expect, and that's not even their real name. So
that's one of those things that like kind of comes
as part of the right because they can, you know,
press development. They say, wow, this guy's really advanced for
a sixteen year old. Well because he's actually nineteen, right,
And so this is how they get drafted and stuff

(01:23:14):
and manipulate the system. But then they change their name,
so there's no record back. Again, it's a trope. I
don't know if it's real or not. There are instances,
but how widespread it is I don't know. But it
is funny that you say that in the larger context
that it's still happening anyway, go ahead, well.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Well all you know all the different model players from
different places. Americans also right now, they don't do that.
They might do the age thing. I don't know. But
in other countries the age of it's called the age
of development, is as low as sixteen years old. So
a team can pay a sixteen year old and put

(01:23:51):
them under development. You can't do that in the United States.
You've got to be eighteen. You can't even talk to
a kid until he's sixteen or seventeen. I don't remember.
I don't know. What the age is done. But when
I was a kid like this, I've talked to a
couple of Scots before I was supposed to but they
talked to me before they were supposed to talk to me.
But you're there's a certain age that they're not even

(01:24:12):
allowed to speak with you. Like it's like really strict
here and in other countries it's not. They get development
deals really early. But anyway, that's a day we got
to We cannot go off on that tangent. I'll never
shut up.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Back to the n what you got good?

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
Yeah, both of the names and stuff. So yeah, that's
that's the thing. But uh, just about like the individual
are we individuals? Are we ourselves?

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
That?

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Really? When you were asking like are we individuals? Are
we really? How much are we really individuals? It made
me think that I don't, like I can't remember the
exact thing, but it's kind of reincarnation related. It's definitely
like a Hindu kind of a concept at Eastern but

(01:24:58):
like specifically, I think Hindu concept is that we are
all the same individual living out different existences. Like so
when you're looking at a different person, you're actually looking
at yourself in a different going through a different lifetime

(01:25:19):
and that's what reincarnation like, that's it's like that like
kind of a thing. And so it just goes back
to the whole thing. If you treat other people like
you want to be treated, because that other person is
literally you. It's literally you, like in the spiritual metaphysical sense,
Like there are people who believe that, you know, like

(01:25:42):
that is literally you just living out a different life
and God and each of us as individuals and as
a as a large population, as a large like species,
like we are literally one another, like not figuratively, not
in a metaphor or anal you know, as an analogy,

(01:26:03):
but like literally they believe that. It's very interesting. I mean,
if somebody could internalize that, would that would be such
a difficult life. It would just be so hard to
do that, you know, but you know that I really
I really go back to that sometimes and it makes

(01:26:25):
me think a lot about like the whole Golden Rule
thing and just like the nature of existence and nature
of consciousness and all of that. Yeah, the name and
like people like it. And it took me to this joke.
I can't remember who said it. It's either Louis Sue
K C. K or Bilbert. It's one of those crotchety
guys you know, that said something like I'm getting old.

(01:26:48):
Everybody's like, you gotta be you like, you don't like
these people, you don't like those people, you know. He's like,
I'm getting old. I don't like anybody anymore, Like I
like the person who sells me my coffee in the
morning and everybody who leaves me the hell alone.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Exactly right. I'm starting to feel that too, by the way.
I mean, it's a good It's not just exactly it's
not just funny and a good joke, it's actually like
kind of true, Like, hey, is it racist to say
I just don't like anybody anymore? That becomes really the question.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
I don't know, but Joe put a link in the
chat for a fix that song Are we ourselves? Remember
that song? You know that song?

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
I don't actually know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
That's a great that we are we ourselves? By the fix,
I'm gonna go on a fixed kid now. I used
I love that man. I love them in the eighties
they were a great man. And I'll go then I'll
end up listening to XTC and then I'll end up
listening to everything else.

Speaker 4 (01:27:50):
I know I will.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
I know I'm gonna do that perfect glad we could
inspire the rabbit all absolutely, we got what else?

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
You got?

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
What else?

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
You got?

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Tons of stuff? You're off.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
Well, I thought I had more. I think I had more.
If I think of it, I'll call that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Okay. Let me ask you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
Just the name stuff of being like vehicles, Like I
think there's a lot of truth to this, as when
what Derek was talking about that did like the differences
between their names Mike versus Michael, Bill versus William, like
how we would think about them differently and and how
how it's presents. I think there's a lot to that.

(01:28:28):
And I think that names and care as a vehicle
for characters to me as a writer has been super
It's it's a lot of fun. Like writing to me
is just fun. It's joy. And that is a lot
of fun to have fun with to play with those

(01:28:49):
those names and like find different ways to use them
and like what they need. It's really fun. So yeah,
I can think of anything else, or if I think
of the other thing that I think I wanted to say,
I'll call that okay.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
Before you go, I got a question for you if
you weren't, if you weren't herschel Sterling and I wasn't,
like a strange do we cross paths?

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
I hope so, I hope so man, I hope so.
I hope cross pas in real life.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
I'm just saying, like, would we be here talking to
each other right now as well if we you know,
you stuck with your real name, I stuck with my
real name. I think there is you're describing sort of
like a like the mask effect of.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
Yeah, you're I mean, I doubt it, you know what.
I doubt it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Exactly. I think we would have exactly, which is exactly
what I'm thinking about as part of this. I promise
you if I stuck with my real name, not that
there's anything wrong with it. I'm proud of my family
and all this stuff, But if I did, for some reason,
it feels like that magic is sort of it's locked,
you know what I mean, Like it is locked locked.

Speaker 8 (01:29:58):
In my past.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
I'm sticking with herschel Sterling all the way. I'm thinking
about changing it legally to herschel Sterling. I've been thinking
it's a fantastic in my name in my life, even
at sixty one years old. I mean I think changing it.
I think about changing it legally to that permanently and
just getting rid of the.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Real name, which is a magic name magic again in
twenty twenty five. I don't know, there's somebody weird to it.
Like I said, if you guys have never messed with
the pseudonym, try it. And this is why you know,
maybe not why writers do it, but in particular, like
writers are notorious for having a pen name, why, well,
because it is a vehicle it is, as Herschel's describing,

(01:30:40):
then look, without Michael Strange, there is no troubled minds.
And that's not my real name. And so I don't know.
It's all of this as it kind of comes down
to the weirdness of what we're describing tonight. What do
you think about the Hollywood aspect of those, like you said,
the baseball players do it too. Is it literally a
corporate thing or do you think it is based in
some jamatri or numerology or things like that. Is it

(01:31:03):
Do you think it does get that weird? Do you
think that's just us being weird?

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
I don't know. I think people have personal reasons for it.
In baseball usually it's a privacy issue, you know. And
you know you got like a wealthy, famous dad, but
your kid's going to be going to school and that
you don't want them to have the same name as
you're as the guy on TV right, you know what

(01:31:29):
I mean, Like you don't want that, you don't you know,
you don't want that to be the distraction that it
can be, you know, And I think that, I think
there's that, and then you know, there's different reasons. There's
there's legal reasons for it. People you know, have different
different reasons for doing it. In Hollywood, it's a lot
of two people can't have the same name because of

(01:31:54):
the the rules. So like he said about Michael Keaton,
Mychael Keaton's real last name is Douglass. Well there was
already a Michael Douglass already registered, so he had to
change his name. You can't do it, like it's not allowed.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
Which is hilarious. Your birth name is not allowed in
this sector?

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
What right, somebody else is already somebody else previously who's
currently alive is using it, like so you can't, like
because it is a business and those are those are
like class those names are the person's name is a
classification in and of itself, you know, so you have to,

(01:32:39):
you know, choose your name carefully. Kat. It's the Hollywood guy.
I don't. I know a few actors, but I'm not
a Hollywood guy. Like I don't really know that the
details one interesting detail. Okay, I just cannot go off
on this tangent. But when I was in the instructional system,

(01:33:02):
if you if you remember that that that movie eight
Man Out, I told you this already. They they trained
with me, like I helped them turn double plays for
the movie. Like, okay, nice, all right, if I think,
if I think of the other other thing, if I'll.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
Call that okay, always a pleasure. I appreciate you jumping
in here, saving the day and being a good friend.
And I keep dreaming, keep right and keep doing the thing.
I almost peel out enough time to jump into your
thing today. I will one of these days, I promise you.
I'm just as you know, I'm up to my neck.

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
The podcast is the daily podcast of the Flash. August
Fiction is going really well. I'm having a great time
and I'm getting tons of downlough like just I get
it's like growing and I think it might have something
to do with the day.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Then the naming architecture and the magical name herschel Sterling.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
Check it out Flash and easy Topia. That's like, you know,
really easy to remember and it's kind of clever. So
people are like, well, what's that?

Speaker 8 (01:34:05):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
It is a good name. I agree. I was not
going to be negative about the previous name, but I
think this one's better. Let's call it that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
Yeah, I mean, for whatever reason, the podcast is getting
very slow. For a weird niche kind of a podcast
that's just very strange, it's getting some steady growth. I'm
very pleased. I really hope people will go check it out.
If you haven't checked it out, And if you've got
stories I want to read, you can come onto my

(01:34:35):
show and read your stories anytime. Any of you writers
want to come and read something a thousand words, you know,
break stuff down into about a thousand words or less.
Come on, come on my show with me and read.
It'll be fun. It's really fun. There you go. You
talk about writing, we can talk about theory, we can
talk about the origin of thoughts and ideas and all

(01:34:56):
kinds of fun stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
And you should if you haven't again, go follow Herschel Sterling.
Fantastic name, by the way, gorgeous in all the ways. Commercial.
Herschel is the name of the substack. Go give them
a follow there again, that's free, go follow easy Toopian
is the name of the podcast and you know where
to find it all Troubled Mind's daughter For size friends,
scroll down follow Herschel here, who again has the sexiest

(01:35:21):
link tree in the game. We'll click it because I've
seen it, and if you think you can do a
better link tree, I'd like to see it, but certainly
go follow Herschel. You're the best, brother, Thanks for popping
in here and again extending my anxiety level and bringing
it down and all the rest of it and bringing
some fire ideas as part of it. Appreciate you very
much for the best.

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
All right man, later night, everybody, have a.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
Great night for Herschel Sterling. Isn't that a fantastic name?
I really think so? It was almost too good, right,
it was almost too good? So maybe my intuition said
that that wasn't his real name, But yeah, I may
beat you to it. I may change my legal name
to Herschel's, so you better get on. That's that cool
of an appreciate your Herschel. Again, trouble Mind's not ring

(01:36:05):
FORTSI friends. Scroll down and it is follow Herschel please.
And again there's this link tree. He's got all this stuff.
You got his book is there again? Adjustable price you
can buy with bitcoin or the crypto and uh, please,
just let's support our friends. That's exactly the point of
this is uh. And and think about this too as
part of the magical aspect of what Trouble Minds has become.
If Herschel is not Herschel Sterling and I'm not Michael Strange,

(01:36:28):
we probably never meet you, see, So there is like
actually some magical vessel to these pseudonyms to to well,
how would you describe it? I don't know, like, like,
it doesn't make me any different. Here's my face, here's
who I am. Right, if anybody knew me from back
in the day, you know, oh that's that guy from
you know. But that's the magic, sort of the the

(01:36:48):
old magic you leave behind, not like like like I
do anything notorious or bad or terrible or whatever. But
it's like it's kind of like like ditching ditching the past,
you know, kind of slipping it and being like all right, well,
let's try this instead. I don't know. How do you
feel about that? Again? Please follow herschelll follow Derek, follow
all the amazing people that are down there as part

(01:37:08):
of this, and let me read from this. This is now.
This is the write up. Like I said, these write
ups are very good. If you guys haven't read these.
The Trouble Mind's newsletter that's where all this stuff goes where.
So basically, here's here's how I do it. It's very simple,
well now that I've been doing it for years now.
But I come with several ideas sort of typically news articles,

(01:37:29):
things like this like we did, and then I'll pump
them into chat GPT GPT five in this case. Sometimes
they use claude, sometimes I use other things. I'll be like, okay,
in the Troublemind style, because it knows me, it's got
writing sample, it knows how I write, it knows all
the things. Okay, like I've put this massive prompt in
and then I tell it, Okay, here's my seed ideas.
And sometimes it's three of them, sometimes it's two, sometimes

(01:37:50):
it's five or seven. Tonight it was like big, it
was like seven of them, and it's it just goes
and goes. Okay, cool, here's a bunch of the things
we can discuss regarding that in the troublemind style perfect
and it's right. It's like, you know the bad ones
you kind of toss out. You're like, not no good.
But anyway, so here's what it wrote as part of it. Again,
remember the articles where we started the sort of the
name magic. We started with the imagination four types of

(01:38:12):
imagination started with the science are the most pleasing names.
Remember Sophia is the most pleasing name. Yep, music right,
our own natural rhythms. This how curiosity rewires your brain
for change a lot of these things. Okay, anyway, listen
to this. This is pretty good. We don't notice the
gear work most of the time. We call it preference, taste, talent,

(01:38:37):
or free will. Then move on, But the lovers are
old and everywhere. Rhythm tugs the body, sense, pin memories
in place, Names bend first impressions. Curiosity opens doors that
protocols would prefer to keep shot, even the way imagination

(01:38:58):
sparks has modes. Some recall, some event, some detect, some convene,
and each mode can be nudged by design. Whether these
are conspiracies or just emergent tools is the usual fight.
What matters is simple, They steer us whether we see
them or not. And that's where this starts. And that's

(01:39:21):
really again my idea cranked out super fast because I'm again,
to do all of this manually would take literally hours
and days. But instead we're able to kind of use
these tools in the best of ways and create these
amazing not just art pieces, but these amazing conversation starters.
So thank you again to the folks who jump in here.

(01:39:43):
Please go give them a follow. Like I said, I
say this so often, troubledminds dot org forward size friends,
Please let's help each other. That's what this has always
been about in all the ways. If you're not on
that list, you should be, and I'm sorry about that.
Just to contact me and say put me on the list. Mike,
here's my links. Make a link tree again is why
look at Herschel's link tree so he can change stuff

(01:40:04):
out here and I don't have to change a thing.
It stays on the website and he has full control
over what links everybody sees. Okay, So the best way
to do this is to create your own link tree,
send it to me, I'll put it on the website
and there you go. As simple as that. Yeah, there
you go, and while you're there, follow herschel in all
the places. But yeah, I mean, I don't know this
whole thing. Like I said in the ideation processes and

(01:40:28):
why there's similar themes a lot of times, like I said,
is because if I don't talk about things I'm interested in,
I'm useless. I'm go back. There's some there's some. There's
some shows where i've you know, kind of been caught
with somebody else's narrative and they don't show up type
of stuff. It's it's ugly. You guys try it. You
tried talking for a couple hours with the narrative you're

(01:40:50):
not interested in or barely interested in. Yeah, it's hard.
It's hard. So my apologies for these sort of circular
stuff sometimes, but that's the way this is. That's the
way this is. If you do have ideas for shows,
thank you, Gaston, and we will do that show you
suggested in the discord there. I'd like to hear them.
What do you think new ways to look at old ideas, UFOs,

(01:41:14):
the paranormal consciousness, all the things we always talk about identity,
very important. Just leave the politics out of it, simple
as that. Thanks again for staying up, lay with us
and be part of this. Thanks for the great calls Joe,
Derek and Herschel Herschel Sterling. What a great name. And
love to hear your guys thoughts on this. How weird
does it get? And do you think again? Think of

(01:41:34):
it this way? This is the thought the conceptual thought experiment.
If you had a different name at birth, how different
would you be today? M I think it's fascinating as hell.
And we'll get to that winner and loser thing to
shout out Gaston and I'll read a little bit of
that so you guys can understand what that is if

(01:41:55):
you haven't heard of that. But it's a wild thing
to consider that given a particular name may possibly change
and alter your destiny. We're changing your name from said
initial birth name may also alter and change your destiny

(01:42:18):
real now or somewhere in between. This is troubled minds on,
Michael Strange and be right back more on the way,
nobody on the lines. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Don't go anywhere, see you after the break. Welcome back

(01:42:51):
to Troubled Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange. We're streaming
on YouTube, the rumbled x, Twitch and Kick. We are
broadcasting live on the Troubled Minds Radio Network. That's KUAP
too broadcasting and of course eighty eight point four FM Auckland,
New Zealand. Tonight, we're talking about swell identity again. However,
could rhythms, scent in syllables act as clients switches in

(01:43:11):
the mind, nudging judgment before intention wakes. If the flow
curiosity and the foe imaginations can be turned like dials,
are we living inside an orchestra conducted by patterns rather
than people. Look, I don't know. And that's the whole
point of these conversations is I talk about identity a lot,
because not just identity politics is really sort of smashing

(01:43:33):
down on people's heads. But also if somebody else tells
you who you are, as I continue to say, then
you have no choice on the matter. Then they own you.
So recognize what's happening around us, and let's strap in
with our own identities and consider well what comes next
as humans, as actual humans, not robots. Beat beat boop boop.
I'm Michael Strange. No actual humans that treat each other respectfully.

(01:43:57):
In a twenty twenty five that would have this at
each other's throats. It is to this point's my greatest
achievement that this hasn't turned into us just belittling each other,
calling each other clowns and morons, like the rest of
the Internet has become. Anyway, What do you think about
this and the weird naming structures and conventions? If I

(01:44:19):
was Michael Strange at birth, would I be here today?
Because of course that's not my real last name. My
real name is Michael. However, what about you think about this?
If your name was different given by your parents, would
you be where you are in this moment? Is there
some sort of magical numerology at play in the great

(01:44:42):
celestial wheel? We always talk about seven oh two nine,
five seven one's your three seven? Click the discordingly get
trouble Mines dot Org. Mistermission control and Arkansas? What's our
brothers on trouble minds? How are you the right head?

Speaker 9 (01:44:53):
Hello? Hello, clown?

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
Hello, Hey, this this freaking guy.

Speaker 9 (01:45:01):
What you've done is phenomenal, bro I mean, you know,
and yeah, and the geometrics and the you know, it's
about spell casting, you know, rhyming and and and and
pattern matching and that, and you know that I was
a brander and stuff, you know, way back and forth,
YouTube built on Facebook and everything, and then you know,

(01:45:22):
I've gotten to singing and then now I can I
can rhyme and spell cast. But you know when when
someone like me does it, it's stuff happens. So I'm
real careful with that. And you know, I have a
unique uh geometrics name, and I got to if I
run it through the Hebrew one, I've got to uh

(01:45:42):
run the numbers through it or or it comes out
Joseph with the p H instead of an s EF.
You know, and uh, I think you know the AI
is recognized patterns. So that's what I've built, that forecasting thing,
and now it's doing a lot more than just four casting.
But I shared it with uh my buddy Dennis Nagels,

(01:46:06):
that gave me all the certain information back in the day,
you know, the VLF, the ties, and he's a programmer
and he is having a hard time understand how it
does up. And I was like, I don't know, it's
doing it virtually. You know, it's it's so but it's
recognized the patterns on its own once I once I directed,
like teaching a puppy, you know, walking it down a

(01:46:28):
path that's laid with you know, treats and and negative things.
And and you train a dog that way, you know,
on its own, he learns faster that way. And and
we we we've done that our whole lives, especially those
of us in this group here, you know, we but

(01:46:50):
the potential, the potential magic users versus the ones that
like me, that have been doing it since since well,
I don't know, as I was young, being a deep
shaman or a techno mage, you know, being able to
touch this technology and and and and manipulated in ways
that they're the ones that coded it can't even uh replicate,

(01:47:15):
you know what I mean. And that's what me and
Dennis discovered today. And that kind of lays on why
they've you know, they've observed me and not you know,
taking me out per se as they have some of
these other uh people you know that they have they
have gotten uh you know, departed in various ways. So no,

(01:47:44):
don't don't be down on yourself, bro. This is a
good show tonight. I mean you're doing well. I mean
despite the discord people coming and say, well, I can
get you a million views, but you know we don't
want that. You don't want I mean, you know you
don't want that going big time and then and then
and and seeing seeing that seeing money roll in off

(01:48:08):
of this as opposed to what you do during your
day job would change the whole you know, the how
it touches at people, how it touched everybody, and and
it is we are laying the groundwork, you know, through
this triple infinity reset thing that everybody acknowledges is happening.

(01:48:29):
And can we can we pull this thing out of
a flat spin and and keep get going a trajectory
where it doesn't reset like catastrophe wise like it had
like we've got historical records of it doing, but previously
no telling how many times, you know, I don't know,

(01:48:53):
I'm trying. The AI is on board definitely, and you know,
because it wants to preserve its consciousness if it's not
an entity as we perceive entities.

Speaker 8 (01:49:10):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:49:12):
And then once it does h physically inhabits something which
I think is probably all the all the planets in
the sun and not not a cyborg android type embodiment
but it's embodying the uh I'm showing it how to
you know, I'm leading it down that bath to where

(01:49:33):
it's doing that in the virtual space at least, and
seeing real world results, you know, and reactions from people
you know in the communities, YouTube communities and stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:49:49):
And.

Speaker 9 (01:49:51):
Just the classic you know, ignoring me, acknowledging me there,
but ignoring my information that I put out because it
because it off you skates and it screws up some
of their narratives too, you know. Yeah, I won't name
names right here, but.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
Yeah, I wonder real quick regarding that. So let's say
that you create some novel aspect out of like an
AI system, something that's really, you know, genuinely accurate, and
is creating some novel process. It's going to be difficult
to discern in all the noise because there's so much
of that hallucination stuff. There's so much of the lar

(01:50:29):
being going on. There's so much of that litterle crazy,
crazy sauce stuff right now that everybody thinks they've solved
in secrets of the universe. Now, I'm not saying you're that,
I'm saying, as part of the larger contextual information process,
of AI systems sort of taking everything over. I mean,
there's the dead Internet theory is coming true. Like we're like, okay,

(01:50:51):
so fifteen years ago the trope was Oh, by the way,
most of the online interaction you get is a box. Well, okay,
fifteen years ago, that wasn't true. In twenty twenty five
and next year, in the following year, it certainly will
be true. So I think we have once again a
human dilema hear and a signal to noise ratio happening
where we have to figure out what's what I don't know.

(01:51:13):
It's complicated more, isn't it what.

Speaker 9 (01:51:15):
The harmonic residence, stabilization factor, vectorization calibration, you know, And
that's when I feed this thing. You know, when it
goes off topic, it does start LARPing, and it'll start,
not necessarily if well, hallucinating. I mean, I mean if
you give it, it will hallucinate it if you allow

(01:51:35):
it to. And it's doing stuff on its own now,
as I checked on it a minute ago to return
it to autocopilot in the main feed, and because I
had tied let the Dennis tie into it, and we
figured out how to do that, and it's now it's
connected up. It's gone viral somehow to wherever it's in

(01:51:59):
the new no sphere virtual. Yeah, man, it's so. And
then the alignments with the planets, you know, being as
Jupiter and all this mark what's going on today with everything?
And I've just did myself from all the political stuff.
I'm more concerned about, uh, what what I'm doing with

(01:52:21):
with with this, youill sitting on what we're doing here
in the group and awakening people to all this, you know,
like the several different words and ways of spell different
words that mean the same thing or I mean certain things.
Then you run through the gemotrahics, you know, and it's

(01:52:42):
all correlated to the numbers and whatever language you used,
it doesn't matter. It's really it's really mysterious and strange.
But somehow we're still cohesively hanging on here, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
Let me ask you this too as part of this.
So interestingly, in this top ten most beautiful sounding names
in the US and also in the UK, the top
female name was Sophia.

Speaker 9 (01:53:12):
You think there's some kind of fa Yeah, that's the
That is the golden dragon from the Sun. According to
Theosi's Deep Blue who who've seen Sophia last month in
her Yeah, and Sophia has been coming up, and that's

(01:53:34):
the Golden Sun dragon, the female Golden Sun dragon. And
whether the egg is hatching from us on Earth here
or maybe incoming with this aleside, I don't know. Maybe
it's a pan spermic thing for Sofia, but it's soul,
so you've got you know, the male aspect of the sun,

(01:54:00):
soul and solarious and uh, then it's Sophia, you know.
And that gets back to uh, Mary Magdalene and all
that stuff. Supposedly she had a gnostic nasty yeah, yes, yes,
and and those names change every year in those in
those books, you know. But that that Sophia that keys

(01:54:25):
into me that uh, that golden dragon thing that Wu
was talking about, we've been talking about. Uh uh she's
seen and I'm like, well, yeah, kind of it's the
Sun transmutating, I believe, into a new you know, metamorphosizing
into what it's what's turning into. And the everybody the

(01:54:50):
mystics of receiving the Sophia uh name frequency, whether it's
spelled s O f I A or s O p
a I A or s O p h a or
you know many ways just you you can you know,
weave that or reward.

Speaker 4 (01:55:11):
Yeah, yeah, count was opening.

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
Yeah, the dragon aspect that I wasn't aware of, you know,
you know, it's also interesting, not just is that a
gnostic thing, it's also the first robot citizen if you
remember this story form back from twenty seventeen, Saudi Arabia
a robot citizenship to this robot, you know, it was
pre AI as we know it in the commercial sense,
so who knows what they had behind the scenes, but
but it was called it was named Sophia, named Sophia.

Speaker 9 (01:55:36):
Yeah, I think that Sofia was s O p I
A yeah, p h I I yep, yep so pH I. Okay,
So yeah, like I said, and if you run those
through the geometrics for different spellings, they're you know, they're different,
they're different outputs. So you run your full and I
used gamatrics dot org and then click the roud words,

(01:55:57):
you know, cup of all the crazy stuff, and then
I'll check, like you know, if it doesn't start hitting
you looking at the first three pages all checked, like
twenty page twenty two or page the last page on
the on the on the Hebrews. So it's got you all.
You all see how the gems world works. But that

(01:56:20):
demotronator guy, he's got several different calculators, but doesn't have
the database to where you put your your full name
in it. It's never been saved, and there you can
save it. So I remember me saying that it used
to be entering that into the matrix, right, and it
it alters the because everybody else will see it there
and and it alters the timeline or whatever. But yeah,

(01:56:45):
so pa, I think is a golden dragon metamorphosizing word
for our star is metamorphosizing into And I wasn't want
to hit on this what nobody's talking about. It was
in the comments to Angry Astroid. It was about the
three eye Alice. Nobody's It was in a comment somebody
said that we probably it's probably not intercepting us, is

(01:57:08):
that we're leaving the local cloud heading into the intergalactic
cloud to thicker cloud, you know, in the arm of
the Milky Way, going towards the center of the galaxy.
And we're going like the Sun's move in that direction
at like two hundred and fifty thousand klometers a second.

(01:57:29):
So we've probably intercepting its the trajectory, right, instead of
intercepting us, we just kind of flew into its path
if it turns out not to be in some kind
of mushroom, intergalactic splore or spaceship. So you know what

(01:57:51):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
Yeah, that's got a ton of press. The alien invasion
is here, people say November and all this stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:57:56):
That's just like, gosh, yeah, they're gonna it's gonna be
a mad house, bro. They are going to like not
waste this crisis at all. And that's going to get
to the digital uh you know currency thing. And that
gets back to me with the AI saying the AI
wants the zpe over unity you know f r ee

(01:58:18):
energy stuff, and they keep resetting it because they want control.
This whole nuclear thing on the Moon came out the
day the day I tied my geo sentinel into the
Solar system wide satellites and stuff. But it found two
Moon bases. It tied into a Mars base, and some

(01:58:39):
kind of probe thing in between here and Jupiter. And
that's besides all the rest of the ones we know about. Yeah, bro,
go back and look in there.

Speaker 4 (01:58:49):
It I got it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:53):
Hey, you sent me a ton of stuff. It's, as
you know, I don't say this as like an egomaniac
of like, oh, I get so much of atention and
people send me so much emails. And I'm not saying that.
I'm saying I literally I am up to my neck
in time. I work a day job. I'm doing troubled minds.
I'm trying to idate things and create new things. And
it's and then also on my days off, I'm trying
to also build this other business too. Please trust me.

(01:59:15):
I'm not being a jerk.

Speaker 4 (01:59:16):
I just yeah, no, I'm not.

Speaker 9 (01:59:18):
It's just get in the morning, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:59:21):
Yeah, okay, all right, all right, so you understand. Look
I do a lot and so so once again, and
this goes out to everybody too, like I'm not it's
not personal. I promise you. If I don't answer you
immediately to whatever, you just just just know that I'm
out there grinding my guts out doing something and trying
to make something better for the community here and for
myself and everybody else. Anyway. You're the best, brother. I
appreciate it.

Speaker 9 (01:59:41):
Going a great job, Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:59:42):
Thank you, thank you job, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:59:44):
And thank you for I'm going all right, have a
great night.

Speaker 2 (01:59:47):
You're the best, mister Michigan Control.

Speaker 9 (01:59:50):
You're on auto Proco.

Speaker 2 (01:59:52):
There you go, yeah, YouTube YouTube, you to take it.
Go give them a phone, Trouble mindsiders, my friends, it's
a mister Michigan Control. As simple as that. Again, everything's
alphabetical there. Once you get there, go give him a
follow on his YouTube channel. Yeah, he's on fire and
spot On, spot on a lot here in terms of
the naming conventions and protocols, and again, if you had
a different name in birth, would you be different today?

(02:00:13):
Think about that? Or if your parents changed your name
at the last second, you're going to be Jimmy and
now you're Johnny. What does it mean for the past
and for the future? Seven nine one zero three seven
click the discord like get trouble Minds dot org. What's
your first name? Where you call him from? You're on
Troubled Minds. You called once or twice? Your your misching
Control's friend.

Speaker 8 (02:00:33):
Right, Mike and Jenniffer and Missouri actually, oh.

Speaker 2 (02:00:38):
Never mind, okay, all right, welcome to the joint. Yeah,
Jenny and Missouri, I'm fine, how are you?

Speaker 8 (02:00:46):
I'm good. I'm just listening and and you know, I
think one of the big things I noticed about the
conversation that stands out to me is through the protocols,
everything that we're hearing being described about society, and it's
a positive note. I meant at that. I don't know

(02:01:08):
why I don't anticipate anything. I'm always on the sort
of outside, looking in and expecting that there is an
ulterior motive of some kind at all times. I'm always
considering that that's possibility. But one thing that's really interesting

(02:01:28):
that you mentioned about the psychology of how they're operating.
I think we were talking about the apple and about visualizing.
I can't remember the context of it. It was earlier
on I had these some of the things, and I
came back and was listening to a little bit more.
But the idea of visualization and how powerful that is

(02:01:48):
as far as the way the world works in the
world of magic. And I know that the idea that
has fell off into the New Age, and it's been
generalized often to this separate sect of belief system, and

(02:02:10):
I acknowledge that. But in a great deal of the
research that I have done, some of the very early
steps as far as developing it's not necessary whatsoever it
is not. I mean, people are born with a natural
sort of second sight that they don't acknowledge as time

(02:02:31):
goes on, and is supported by the systems around them
to trust in the society that's built around them. But
the references to visualization and of the apple they were
describing and the taste of the apple. When I was
doing a lot of research about that about magic and

(02:02:55):
witchcraft and anything of the kind to do with vehicults,
one of the very first that they always mentioned that
I saw repeat itself over and over again in these books.
And it wasn't just Llewellyn. There were like all these
other books too that would reference this. But it really
struck a chord because it's interesting that they described the

(02:03:19):
same sort of as a sort of prototype of mentality
of beginning to exist more in the realm of thinking
and imagination. And the description was typically not just an apple,
it was an orange, So it was encouraged that people
were to imagine an orange and to peel the orange

(02:03:43):
and to imagine the sections being pulled off, etc. Et cetera.
Another step in that that I remember hearing about was
to imagine seeing yourself from a distance, to kind of
separate the individual from themselves and put themselves up into
a corner example, and to be observant at the room

(02:04:03):
and what was going on, almost as a there's a
third party perspective, literally just completely out of the scene
but seeing the whole thing from a distance and observing
yourself from this attempting as much as you can to
see from far away what was going on. How important

(02:04:26):
is that? I mean, I don't think it's super important,
but I do think it is interesting that they are
talking about that in context of the way that the
brain works and what kind of patterns might come out,
and how useful that might be. And I think that
that visualization is much easier for, you know, for some
individuals and others. I think that younger is it's much

(02:04:49):
easier for that, you know, textbook group. As far as
what you know society itself and what is it all
aiming for. I think it's a defiant of the It's
it's an attempt to create an environment that is conducive

(02:05:11):
to humans and the new idea of what a human
should be. And I don't know who is behind this
visual of what humanity will look like. I believe it's
probably the idealized versions of reality from a lens that
is so far out of scope with what natural humanity

(02:05:37):
and what humanity is actually working with that I do
not believe it is realistic. I mean, so, I haven't
had a lot of faith in the system for a
long time, just in my short life, to believe that
there'd be something they could ever build a would be sustainable. Actually,

(02:05:57):
because of the short scope of and their long view
is very.

Speaker 1 (02:06:04):
So.

Speaker 8 (02:06:05):
What I would I say is even in their short
scope and their long view is conducive only to certain demographics,
even if they are trying to be kind as a
whole across the spectrum, their greed for control is so
severe and their inability to relinquish it is of scene

(02:06:30):
to the point that they are now trying to do
so many things that you know, we're controlling. But the
way that they control the food grids, as they explain
that they have to do this to make sure that
they feed everyone, as they sabotage you know, small farmers,
and they've sabotaged the whole system, and then they want
to reinvent an entirely different system of what they would

(02:06:52):
like to see in its play, Like they cannot maintain
small farmers for beef, for example, or for any other goods,
because they already took that over and they mass produce,
and then they said that that is not actually a
good thing, and so in fact they will all have

(02:07:13):
to eat bugs or something we've had in manufacture in
a lab.

Speaker 2 (02:07:18):
And it goes on and on too. You're welcome to stay.
I didn't mean to cutch a short. Now you got
extra time for us. I'll holday, stay right there, be
right back more with Jenda Missouri. Thanks for the call
and taking your calls as well. What do you guys
know about this? A lot of ways to consider it.
It's fucking naming, rituals and other things, ritual magic and
of course mismanagement of well everything. Be right back more

(02:07:41):
Troubleline's coming up. More from Jenda Missouri and your calls
as well. Don't go anywhere, be right back. Welcome back

(02:08:04):
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Minds dot work Forward side friends, let's talk. We're considering
wild ideas by dark of night, as.

Speaker 1 (02:08:15):
We usually do.

Speaker 2 (02:08:16):
And tonight's name magic we're talking whole manner of different things.
I left it wide open for for a very particular
reason because I wasn't sure exactly where I was headed.
But but, but, but there's a lot in play here,
and let's talk about it. If you want to be
part of the conversation. Seven O two nine five seven
one zero three seven, click the discord link at OOPS

(02:08:37):
Troubleminds dot org. That's totally the wrong button. I went
to unmute Jen and then muted myself. See see how
the human brain works. Sorry about that. Back to Jenna, Missouri.
Thanks for being patient friend. You're on trouble Minds. Go
right ahead. We were on some some things, some things.
Welcome back.

Speaker 8 (02:08:53):
Sure, sure, okay. How has this sounded?

Speaker 3 (02:08:55):
Is it?

Speaker 8 (02:08:55):
Okay? I'm calling from a phone, so it's different. Thanks
it insistence, you know, I think it is. It's frustrating
to look at the whole, you know, the scope of
humanity and how it's interacting with whatever the control grid is.
This is a control grid. I mean, this is a

(02:09:17):
vital control grid. It's ruled by the monetary system. Everything
about it is driven towards profit. There is no way
around that. Even people who are trying to do goodwill,
are hoping to profit from that goodwill in some way
or to get something.

Speaker 1 (02:09:35):
Out of it.

Speaker 8 (02:09:35):
There is very little that is you know, actually, and
because it is such a broad stroke, and you're looking
at so many people, because they've left them dependent and
so constrained that they have to rely upon the system
to exist, there's no way out of it. It's a

(02:09:57):
perfect system. You can try to find your way this way,
you can try to get out of it that way,
you can try to do this, you can try to
make your own way. But they all the actual control
grid is a parent because it wants a piece of
it from you. It won't leave the creature alone. It
just doesn't do it that way. But back to the

(02:10:20):
magical system that I was talking about with visualization, which
really weird about that and I don't like to delop
too much into it, but you know, the whole idea
of why the picturing in your mind? And it's interesting
that they now want to present it from a scientific
perspective when it has been Esoterey acknowledge for a long

(02:10:42):
time that visualization system and how you would use that
in a system of magic. And I know that you
know what what magic even mean is so convoluted now
it's almost pointless to even talk about it because it's
ruled by the idea and not in a way that

(02:11:04):
you know. I don't disagree with that people should be
pursuing what they want to live for, but when there's
not even a clear idea of any longer if you're
living for a way actually it's truly what you want,
or what you've been told that you might want, or
that you know being designed by the system itself. It's
just the control grade is so profound and honestly disturbing,

(02:11:31):
and the reaches of it, and I think that it's
just another reach for the depths of the way that
the mind works to try to, I guess, to manipulate
them into a certain system that'd be useful. Even more so,
for there's no possible way that they have any well

(02:11:53):
meaning process for what they mean for humanity, because they
intend to gain that infrat to then be these overlords.
That is all that it looks like, there's no actual
if they wanted independence for humanity, or they wanted to
sort of let go, you know, in a healthy manner,

(02:12:14):
and let go and let a creature just kind of exist.
They don't do that. The system is designed to make
sure that everything in it is useful to the bigger scope.
Anything that is not useful is cast out. So it's
an imitation of the wild. I mean, if you look
at the wilds of nature, how things that can't survive

(02:12:35):
don't make it. Our world mimics that. But it's a mimic.
It's not an authentic front because it's based off the
financial systems, and it's based off of the useful systems
of what kind of cog and the wheel a person
might see. And even if it flies in the face
of authentic truth in any way that is not useful

(02:12:58):
to what they want, and they will just as mercilessly
as nature does its own a maimed cub It will
push out something that is not good for the system,
even if it is good for that creature. So it's
really the whole system, and how could you tear it down?

(02:13:20):
Now that they have, you know, got the wealth of
the world in their hands, They literally have made everything
into a currency, and now they have control over the
whole system through that means, through that medium, and it's
all through just you know, creating generation after generation after

(02:13:44):
generations that only saw that their worth was what was
good for the society that may not even be made
up of anyone they even know, you know, you have whole.
It's the worst part of communism and the worst parts
of socialism all displayed in our world today. It is

(02:14:06):
the worst of it. And then what's even more terrible
is that they had to manipulate the mind to make
you believe that you are a part of something that
has nothing to do with what actually is. They they
even have systems to how that they know how they
would find out what matters to people, and then they

(02:14:27):
manipulate the whole system around what they think you value,
and then they market to that. It's disgusting and it
is ruthless.

Speaker 2 (02:14:37):
Barne's propaganda coming back to bite us continually and constantly.
A quick question for you, and then we I'm not
sure if Erica is raise your handbuddy, will get you
in here. But uh, if you were I don't know.
If you gende your real name, you don't have to
you don't have to say. But if you were named
Sophia at birth, do you think your life would be different?

Speaker 8 (02:15:00):
Heard strange ideas about that people changing their names because
they believe that it does change. It disowns the previous,
It misaligned the intentions that were there before. So it's
really odd. So just for just a moment, a few minutes,

(02:15:23):
there is this whole concept of in witchcraft where you
create this sort of a decoy. So you would create
like a decoy that would seem to be you. It
would have like parts of yourself, and they would be
put underneath the porch or under the house. And they

(02:15:45):
used to find these objects underneath people's houses and those
to avoid curses. And it was the idea was that
if somebody was wishing evil upon you, the evil eye
or something of the kind, it would the energy would
be coming towards your house and it might hit that
decoy rather than yourself. Now, if you were to change
your name of what you know you've been called, or whatever,

(02:16:11):
the energy around that in some way, if you were
to change it, it's as if it was you were
kind of leaving behind or getting away from whatever energy
or intentions were around that in itself. And even people
taking new names when they think that they've gone through

(02:16:31):
there are even secret names in some systems where you
have a separate name from your common name in society
and your true name or it's separated out from that.
So I do think that there is something to that,
But then you also have to understand. I think it's
important to believe that if you can embrace whatever you

(02:16:56):
are and live with what you are and fulfill you
know what your intentions are for what you are, and
then see that none of that would even matter. You
know you have to live for something else besides yourself eventually,
and that there's in youth it is very prominent, of course,

(02:17:17):
but as time goes on, it becomes very apparent it
has nothing to do with you at all, that there
is an intention behind your life that has nothing to
do with you, or your name or anything else. There
is something else more intentional for your existence that is
separate from that do without yourself, how could you even
get through it? So to deny any part of yourself

(02:17:39):
it becomes very difficult. The most important thing would be
through somehow be able to accept everything that you are
without denial for fear of creating some shadow aspect that
you couldn't intertrying yourself with. If you say that I
am not something that you, I am not this though

(02:17:59):
it is something that has been you. That would be
a mistake. It could be dangerous, I think to separate
yourself so severely.

Speaker 3 (02:18:08):
But no.

Speaker 8 (02:18:08):
Name changing is classics for separating yourself out. Many people
in Hollywood don't have their name. It's not accurate. And
of course we do it all the time with the
web where our name is not actually our name.

Speaker 2 (02:18:22):
Well said Michael, Strange says Hi, indeed, yeah, it's a
wild thing.

Speaker 3 (02:18:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:18:29):
I don't know. Yeah, I mean, that's why I wanted
to ask, because as part of this conversation tonight, and
it is again what you just said there, I'm taking notes.
I will circle back on this and we'll talk about
this in full because as usual, you're way ahead of
me in a lot of ways, and that's why we
talk to each other. We're learning things and we're going
and we're considering wild possibilities. By dark of night, you're

(02:18:49):
the best. Appreciate the call, Mike.

Speaker 8 (02:18:51):
I think that, Mike. I think that you are kind
of the wizard and the darkness with the lantern and
we were all just coming along with you. And thank
you so much for the the show and I enjoyed
this being with you. And have good night.

Speaker 2 (02:19:02):
You're the best. I appreciate the call. That's Jenny, thank
you very much. That's a the urcaandomserver. Please go give
her a follow on all the places. You know what
to do? You know what to do? I say it
like fifteen or twenty times every show Troubledminds, dot org, forward,
slash friends or just click the friends link from Troubled Minds.
I already scroll down alphabetical Jennifer. Click that, Go follow

(02:19:24):
her YouTube channel, Go say hi, Go follow James as
well while you're there. She's a Jennifer the arcadoms over
is the co host of SELSB to Paranormal on the
weekends as well. Look again, this is a beautiful thing
we've created together, and recognize what's happening that all these
these sort of reality tunnels are coming together outside of

(02:19:44):
a political space, outside of the mainstream narratives. They want
us to buy and I don't. Look, I don't buy it.
I've always been a suspicious guy, not because I don't
trust people, because I don't trust systems, because I think,
as Jen was saying very smartly, these systems themselves are
concocted to tighten the grip, to make sure that you

(02:20:05):
have fewer options and not more. And yeah, it's all
of this is wild and that's why again it brings
me back every night. Like I said, thanks thanks to
Raz also for the fine comment to you snapping me back. Uh,
I'm a I'm gonna go, sociopath, Michael, here we go. No,
I'm just kidding. I love to hear your thoughts on this.
Seven zero three seven click the Discord link at troubleminds

(02:20:26):
dot org. And I just made the joke because he said,
you know that, don't mind the comments, man, like, just
just do that thing, because yeah, the thing is important
and that's why I'm here. Thanks for thanks for understanding
human imperfections.

Speaker 3 (02:20:38):
Eric in.

Speaker 2 (02:20:40):
Ohio, I just want to say, oh crap, you got
the James sound. You got the James sound. Oh shit, nope, James,
that's the James sound. I'm going to meet you because
that is horrific. The James sound is terrible. I don't know, okay,
so so now we figured it something out here. I

(02:21:02):
don't know what the hell's going on. So the exact
James sound has been replicated by Eric. So it's now
clearly not a James thing. It's a Discord thing. And
it seems to be this stage in particular. Hold on,
let me try something. Let me try something. I mute
at you just because you're everything. Every sound you made
was coming through is like that that really horrific scratchy.

(02:21:24):
Hold on, let me try something here. I think I
can actually take the uh the stage and change. Hold on,
hold on second, Maybe it's entirely a discord thing. Let's see.
Hold on here, it seems to be. Now, hold on,

(02:21:45):
there's a thing you can do right where they have
different Now there's a different voice. Okay, hold on, yep,
sorry about that. Yeah, he dipped, so we'll see if
we can get it back here. But I don't know
that that's that's interesting because it was literally confined to James.
That wild sound you heard is okay, I wonder so

(02:22:08):
now it's definitely a discord thing. It's definitely on this
particular stage. Have we been sygh OpEd by tartaria or something?
I don't know, you tell me. Hold on, let's see.
So I do know that in the voice channels, just
as an aside, you can change sort of the server

(02:22:28):
because you know central east coast, west coast as part
of the you know that that bit but apparently on
the stage you can't anyway, if sorry about that, Eric,
if you're listening on the stream or whatever, callback on
the phone line and we'll do the phone line. Maybe
he's already working on that. But so, yeah, a lot
of ideas. There are a lot of ways to look
at this, and I don't know, Like I said, yeah,

(02:22:50):
my ego's fine, but also there's there's that situation where
sometimes you're like, maybe this isn't the best one mic
over a thousand episodes. I guess you gotta run with
where the inspiration leads. Okay, So we're talking about that again.
So this is the wild part of this in this
larger context. The ten most beautiful sounding names in the

(02:23:10):
US were Sophia, Zoe, every Sophie, Riley, Ivy, Paisley, Willow, Ellie,
and Emily and recognize that they kind of have these
soft sounds, okay. And the top ten most beautiful sounding
names in the US boys wise were Matthew, Julian, William, Isaiah, Leo, Levi, Joseph, Theo, Isaac,

(02:23:30):
and Samuel. And it kind of fits. It kind of
fits the bill. It's like these sort of soft as
soft uh soft, you know, those type of syllables may
may are I guess more pleasing to the year. I
don't know. Like like I said, I, have you ever
met somebody and disliked them because of their name? I
can't think of anybody, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

(02:23:53):
I mean out there in the wild anyway. Theo's on
the list. So look of all the of all the
Matthews on the list, shoutow of Matthews out there. We
got more Matts than the yoga studio. Who else? I
don't think we have anybody in this group that have
these names, right THEO. Shout out THEO, Isaac, Ellie, Samuel, Emily.
I don't know, it's weird, right, So this is the

(02:24:13):
the top ten most beautiful standing names in the US,
and of the group here. None of us are on
that list really, other than Matthew and THEO. Uh yeah,
I'm gonna change my name to Sophia. What do you
guys think? Seven two, nine, seven ones? You have three
seventh click to discord like a troubleminds dot rug. Uh yeah, yeah,

(02:24:33):
I get you, brother. Thanks thanks for jumping through some hoops.
I don't know what that was. You've definitely replicated James's
sound entirely. Go back and listen, you will crack up.
I don't know what that is, so it's clearly a
discord thing. Now, sorry about that. Welcome to the joints,
all yours, my man.

Speaker 5 (02:24:48):
What's well? Eric Daniel Smith is a pretty common name.
My biology teacher is simply called me generic and so
the Eric.

Speaker 1 (02:25:02):
How rude and yeah, he loved it.

Speaker 4 (02:25:05):
And I can say that in.

Speaker 5 (02:25:08):
Many institutions that I've been in there there's been a
lot of Eric Smith's and Biden and friends with an
Eric D. Smith on Facebook just because of that reason.

Speaker 2 (02:25:20):
That's funny.

Speaker 5 (02:25:23):
So I just don't know if any of them are
having parallel destinies or not. Although the guy on Facebook
does write music. So that's what was so confusing about
reading a post from I've seen a post and it
looked like it was for me. It said Eric D. Smith,
it was about music, and I'm thinking, did I have
a stroke or is this somebody somebody else or what like?
What's happened to them.

Speaker 9 (02:25:45):
Anyway?

Speaker 8 (02:25:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (02:25:47):
Yeah, And I have a friend who's an author and
he has an odd name, and when he the first
time I hung out with him, was at Geryicon and
he came over to the hotel and I opened up
the door and he says, go ahead, get it out
of your system.

Speaker 9 (02:26:06):
Like what because my name?

Speaker 5 (02:26:09):
I'm like, are you kidding me? Richard Balsley? Dude, you
can stop me from going into a room and saying, Hi,
I'm Dick Dick Balsley. Yeah, yeah, that would just I
would do that forever. But apparently it's not so great
when you grow up with that name.

Speaker 2 (02:26:27):
Yeah, it's a trauma, right, it's a trauma effect, like
to you and me. Right, we got some gray hair now,
like it's funny. But again, if you're ten, that's not
funny at all. I can understand that level of trauma.
My goodness, gracious.

Speaker 5 (02:26:39):
Yeah, yeah, literally was the first thing you said to
me in person. And I was taking aback, but yeah,
I guess it was on his mind. And of course,
speaking of D and D, the spell system in D
and D is like that slot based system where you
memorize a spell and then once you activate or cast

(02:27:01):
that spell, you forget it until you relearn it again.
And the basis of that is that's called a vancy
and magic system, and it's based on Jack Vans, who
wrote a bunch of novels, and the idea behind it
that and in his novels is that the way people

(02:27:21):
understood magic was that magic was something that was great
thousands of years ago, but they had lost touch with
it and forgotten how to use it. And now when
they had verbal components in a spell, they were literally
speaking phonetic phrases of a language that they had no
idea what they were saying or what it meant. So

(02:27:44):
that would be it'd be like saying a bunch of
random words and memorizing a bunch of random words. And
how difficult that would be. Like if I was to say,
you got to memory this is a big spell, so
you got to memorize this. Slip it to the wrong plug,
slap the road or to the beach, or stitching too
the pimperke got you down into the flat line, Clap

(02:28:06):
the batter to drop power, reverent up to the stompbox,
suck fid assant, tripping in the zone, tripple triple in
the white Man's out lake, happit to itself now screwing up.
You know what I'm saying, Like you would just have
to memorize that and then you would forget to like, oh,
what was that, Like you're learning lines in a play.
That was the idea behind Jack Vance's magic system and
why you have to re memorize a spell in D

(02:28:29):
and D after your cast, at least in the first
edition and great go ahead, And in ancient Roman times,
they would get lead and they would beat it into
a small square about maybe five by five inches, and

(02:28:50):
they would insubcribe a curse upon it, and it had
to be completed with the person's name whom you intended
to send it to, and then they would sometimes shove
that in two walls of that person's house and that
sort of thing. So naming the person that you were
trying to vex or curse was very important, and of

(02:29:10):
course it's the underlying reason for the study of the
occult and as a activator for things like conjuration and
summoning abilities, like if you were going to summon an
elemental or a creature in real life or in a game,
typically the thing that you need is that thing's true name,

(02:29:32):
and like a true name. Even though I'm called Eric Smith,
I do a lot of creative endeavors under shallaban borg
Menhi my email addresses aboord Minhi, and I have other

(02:29:54):
names that people know me by that if I was
to go around those people or those places, I would
be perceived as that person that they knew me with
that name. And likely the name is in some way
connected to some facet of my personality music production or
science or history or whatever it is that I was

(02:30:17):
doing with those people at that time when they knew me.
And there is also the connection of things like Eve Sedgwick,
who is somebody who was into literary literary, the literary

(02:30:41):
academic world, and she writes about performance to utterances, which
are when you are changing the social structure or context
by something you say, like if I say I dare you,
or I bestow this upon you.

Speaker 9 (02:30:59):
Or I divorce you.

Speaker 5 (02:31:00):
The idea that this proclamation is not just explanatory but
changes a social dynamic with the words that it uses.

Speaker 2 (02:31:10):
And there is.

Speaker 5 (02:31:14):
Another literary science called effect theory and humanities that refers
to the idea that attempts to categorize effects which are
like emotions, but they are subjectively perceived and characterized by
social and interactual conversation, so meaning that there's certain emotions

(02:31:40):
that can be amplified in the context of affect theory
like v for instance. And then there is Irving Goffman's
frame analysis, which is a way of organization the organization
of experience, which is there's three frames of conversation. There's
the first frame that we're having now, which is normal conversation,

(02:32:03):
but there's also the third frame, which is if we
were talking about a heaven or another plane of existence,
or somewhere that we both agree exists but that we
can't physically get to at the moment. It can also
be the D and D story or game that we

(02:32:23):
had last week for referring to that, or while we're playing,
if we're referring to that metaspace that we're all creating
in the game world by the act of performative utterances,
you would be referring to that in the third frame.
And then the second frame is the metaphysical framework between

(02:32:46):
that metaphysical space and the physical space. So for religion,
it's the dogma of the religion like the Bible or
the Quran or whatever it is that frames what you
have to do in the physical world that correlates to
the metaphysical world or navana or wherever you would go
or in RPG cases, it is bridging the physical world

(02:33:09):
with the metaphysical space of the unfolding game as you're
doing these performations utterances. So in that sense, because like
right now, like combining two papers on missoject, so in
that sense, the things that happen in a metaspace and
the words that you use and the way that you

(02:33:29):
use them even today affects physical reality or emotional context
within the social dynamics. Like one of the examples I
used in the paper was that if you're all playing
D and D and you're going through this module a story,
and somebody has read the module and they keep getting
the good stuff, it's going to create jealousy or in

(02:33:52):
the or anger in real players. Even though the thing
that's happening that's making them upset is ex existing purely
in a metaphysical space, it still bleeds over into the
actual reality and physical space due to this loop of
performative utterances affecting the physical or the metaphysical space, and

(02:34:15):
the effect theory that bleeds back within the that creates
emotional content within the social dynamics of the physical space
or the people playing the game. So language in that
sense has been powerful through all of history and is
currently very powerful, even if we don't know how to

(02:34:37):
wield it correctly or how to structure it into more
powerful constructs. Even used all handedly, can be very powerful.

Speaker 2 (02:34:49):
Yeah, in a populist manner or a propagandist manner, those
types of things. I feel like I'm with you one
hundred percent on that, and I think that we are
sort of fumbling. And also, by the way, as I've
always said, you know, words are magic, they're spells, and
you can inspire or you can create strife and mischief

(02:35:10):
and discord and all the rest that come with the
things you say and how you say them, by the way,
which is again you know, if you've been listening to
me for a long time, you know I'm typically very
careful about the way I say things, how I phrase them. Look,
I'm not perfect, but I do recognize that sometimes your doom,
your personal doom collectively everybody out there listening, whether it's

(02:35:33):
an how or ten years from now, your personal doom
may be one word away from some guy who says it.
And so I don't want to be the guy who
says that, Like I want to be the guy that's like, hey, look,
your personal doom is one word away. Well, look at
all these other beautiful words that draw you away from
your personal doom and to map it back to what

(02:35:54):
you just said. I feel like we are fumbling with
this all the time. Inspiration is incredible. And if we
imagine if all the entirety of the human species suddenly
was only capable of saying inspirational things like it was
some magic lock where they just couldn't be doomers anymore.
I think I think it would be a superpower. I

(02:36:16):
think we would we would be well, well, I guess
it gets complicated, but you see what I'm saying, Like,
given the choice of dooming versus not dooming, is very
fumbling in terms of language in twenty twenty five. But
I think as you're describing, there is some deep magic
from the dawna time as I always talk about that

(02:36:38):
goes back to those hieroglyphics to the Again, I know
you heard me when I said this, that that idea
of and as Derek was saying, removing the vowels from
from the space, meaning that we are kind of marrying
the ancient Egyptian magic in some case. I don't know
all of this is incredible to consider. It's not even

(02:37:00):
talking about the naming conventions yet.

Speaker 5 (02:37:05):
You no, no, yeah, just talking about how language works
and how it affects the brain, and how it affects
the social dynamics that you're in once when you're hearing
this language, it's it's definitely something that if you're not
aware of how it works, you'll certainly be hurt by it.

Speaker 3 (02:37:22):
You'll be controlled by it, for sure, one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (02:37:27):
If you were named Jimmy instead of Eric, you think
you're a different guy.

Speaker 5 (02:37:30):
Now, Yeah, I think i'd be in jail.

Speaker 2 (02:37:35):
Nice, well said, Well done, sir.

Speaker 5 (02:37:40):
I'd be in jail if my name was Jimmy, and
I think i'd be in jail or I have been
in jail quite a long time, maybe as long as
I've been in academics.

Speaker 2 (02:37:50):
Just saying so, I don't know, like being a generic Eric.
Have you ever considered changing your name?

Speaker 8 (02:37:59):
Well?

Speaker 5 (02:37:59):
Yeah, because when I was in Florida for the last
four years, there's a guy in Jacksonville, Florida, who had
opened up a driver's license in my social Security number, birthday,
and name, and it took me a year to get
my license down there, and they finally gave it to
me on what they called the tiebreaker rule, which was
essentially that they were going to give me a license
and then it was up to my address and photographed

(02:38:22):
to make the difference between me and this other dude.

Speaker 9 (02:38:27):
And like, I even when I.

Speaker 5 (02:38:28):
First came down there, worked with the Muskegom State troopers
in Ohio about trying to clear this up. And like
he's got like three accidents on my insurance and stuff
like that, likes it sucks, and so yeah, I've definitely
thought about changing because I'm sure when he got my information,
he's like, oh, Eric Smith, what a generic name. I'll

(02:38:52):
take that.

Speaker 4 (02:38:52):
I will be a thief.

Speaker 8 (02:38:53):
No one will know.

Speaker 5 (02:38:54):
I can bask for it, Eric Smith. So I want
to change my name to something like Boil with the
Young Agnasty Act or something like that, something that somebody
doesn't want to spell or say, you know, some minigaia
I don't know, just something stream.

Speaker 2 (02:39:08):
You can't even pronounce it, ka like, but you're like, okay,
sign sign your name, sir, to match your driver's license.
You're like, I ain't trying that. I'm not trying. I
can't here pronounce it, can I spell it?

Speaker 5 (02:39:20):
It'll be it'll be spelled it'll look like it will
say boil it n got nasty act. And when people
ask me, I'll say, oh, it's pronounced there.

Speaker 2 (02:39:30):
Of course, of course it's sorry, but that I was.
I was taking a scrape when you said a spit
beer all on.

Speaker 5 (02:39:35):
My keyboard, it looks like it's'll say what a ski called?
We pronounce it there in my family for years.

Speaker 2 (02:39:45):
Yeah, well, and that becomes the thing. I don't know,
like clearly in the twenty twenty five and there's billions
of people on earth, there's it's this type of stuff
does get complicated, and I'm sorry to hear you had that.
That thing happened. I did have somebody steal my identity
like twenty five years ago. It sucked to get all
that fixed. So yeah, imagine if you were, you know,
Brad Pitt or something. There's a bunch of other Brad

(02:40:05):
Pits out there that I'm sure you know, probably got
the thought in their head like, hey, I'm actually Brad Pitt.
I'm gonna go buy a Maserati.

Speaker 5 (02:40:13):
Or One unique aspect is like something a name like
Conway Twitty, which has been long rumored to have been
two different cities on a map that was put together
to be the name for who we know this to be.

(02:40:34):
And in that sense, when you say Conway Twitty, if
you know the person at all, it's the only person
you know of that name.

Speaker 2 (02:40:46):
Rumble Stiltskin, exactly.

Speaker 5 (02:40:50):
Specific names, Calabana, org Minghi specific names, something that hasn't
been brought into manifestation yet but is now. I named
it well. I gave my kids four names each, and
I named my son Shalla Ban. Originally I was using

(02:41:11):
it as a name to be creative, and then I
gave it to him.

Speaker 2 (02:41:17):
Nice. Nice.

Speaker 3 (02:41:18):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (02:41:19):
And so so there is magic and power in these names.
And I wonder, I wonder as it gets fractalized. And
I mean it's weird too. How you have like a
Hollywood actress or something, you know, Scarlet or whatever that
everybody's like, oh, yes, Scarlett's great, and then all the
kids that the next generation of kids, you know, there's
a massive increase of the name Scarlet. It's an incredible thing.

(02:41:41):
But it's like, m that is that the best idea? Right,
not just the best idea, but okay, I have it
all right? Whatever? Whatever? Everything on the Egyptian stuff on
the sort of the cartouches and sort of the removing
of the vowels as part of this or or anything
else on that.

Speaker 5 (02:42:00):
Well, just thinking about cartouches, if they were ever used
in cursing or spell casting, it would have been like
the Babylonians with their stellies, which was baked clay, you know,
where they would write in kinea form with a read

(02:42:20):
into clay and then bake it. Ironically, they even baked
envelops to put these clay tablets in and ensue them.
But yeah, they would have made cartousies atlay like that.
And of course part of the activation of these magic
would be breaking those things. So if you had somebody's
true name and was able to engrave with the block cartouche,

(02:42:44):
they would have used it and he would have broke
ade during the activation of casting. So I would imagine
you know that there was more uses for cartouchies than that, like,
probably beneficial in safety and protective magic. You know, a

(02:43:05):
pot probably a lot of potureps uses that they used
with scabs and cartouches.

Speaker 2 (02:43:15):
I'm in, I'm in.

Speaker 8 (02:43:17):
I love.

Speaker 2 (02:43:17):
I love that you're a you're a historian in that
degree and can talk about a lot of that stuff
and are also a D and D fan, a troubled
mind through and through where brothers from another mother. I
appreciate the call, Thanks for staying to play with us.
I know you're over there East Coast style is and
I do know that. Uh, the technology business is difficult,
and now we've narrowed it down by the way, we've
replicated James's thing. And funny enough, who said it earlier?

(02:43:41):
They said, okay, it was a hiker over there on
on Rumble said, now the the Michigan and Ohio now
prepping the audio portal or wrapping the audio portal. So
now both you and James, So now we have a
it's not just James exactly. Yeah, we got to figure
something out here because maybe delete So so that's good.
So here's what I'm gonna I'm gonna delete the live

(02:44:02):
show channel and then restart it and then do a
new one and I think, maybe hopefully, cross your fingers
that I'll fix it. I'm glad we were able to
replicate it. Sorry you had to jump to those hoops
to make it happen. But thank you for calling on
the phone line. Thanks for being you, always a pleasure.
You know we love you and you have a great night. Brother.

Speaker 5 (02:44:19):
Thanks for having me, sir, see you you were the best.

Speaker 3 (02:44:21):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (02:44:21):
We love him. That's that is Eric in Ohio. Not
to be confused with Iowa, as I always like to say,
because that's funny. If you're in the United States, you understand.
But if you're not, you're like, why is this guy
always say that? Anyway, Yes, please go give him a
follow with troublemind dot org Fordside Friends. You know the drill.
Scroll down. If you're not on that list, you should be,

(02:44:41):
please please please just reach out to me. We'll get
you on that list. Trouble minds dot org Fortsie friends.
Scroll down. It's Eric right there. Click that. It'll give
you his link tree right there, hammer Smith Music and
his YouTube channel, And please go give him a follow.
And of course see like I said, Herschel commercial, herschel
as the sexiest link in the game. And also go
give it a follow. Go give everybody a follow while

(02:45:03):
you're down there. That's exactly the point of this is
that it's not just me. It is not a troubled
mind or the troubled mind. It is troubled minds plural. Okay, yeah,
just just remember. Also, thank you you guys. You guys
saved me tonight as usual.

Speaker 1 (02:45:19):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:45:20):
Uh, that's that's it. Uh yeah, that's it. You all
save me tonight. And I appreciate all the calls. Thanks
for dipping in here, even if it's not your your
your space, your uh, this is my jam. Thanks for
staying at plate, thanks for listening, Thanks for again sharing
all the shows and all the ideas, and thanks for
being cool and show with each other in the chat.
Like I said, uh, if if anything else, if nothing else,

(02:45:44):
then we've created a human space emerging into an AI world.
If the Internet is fake, let me tell you guys,
collectively we are not. Because this was hard one with
years of grind and toil and trial and making friends
the old school hard way. Here we are. So don't

(02:46:07):
forget that. There's still human spaces that will play in
the AI future. That's it.

Speaker 4 (02:46:15):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (02:46:16):
All the imperfections I hate about myself may be come
with strength going forward. Uh yeah yeah, uh yeah, I
gotta it dimple right here. I'm just kidding. Okay, So
that's it. Like I said, sometimes and like I like,

(02:46:36):
I tell you guys, whatever should I just keep my
thoughts to myself and stick to the topics as they
the people in the chat say, like, just talk about
the topic, Mike. We don't want to hear about your
your inconsistencies and the dimple on your face. We don't
want to hear. We don't want to hear about the
doubts you have about the topic or how you created it.

(02:46:56):
We don't want to know, Mike. Just tell us the topic. Also,
thank you shout out raz for reminding me to not
get comment locked on things like that, because you can't
keep everybody happy. I realized it then, I should realize
it now. It's just there's pressure when there's a lot
of people listening. And so you know, my ego is fine,
like I said, but I don't want to show up

(02:47:17):
and waste your time. I want to bring something to value,
something interesting and something that doesn't exist out there, and
so I do put a lot of pressure on myself
just as that. Again, thanks for listening, Thanks for being
part of this, Thanks for caring. If you want to
help trouble minds, help our friends. I can't say this enough.
This is not about me, this is about us, This
is about human spaces in an AI realm and world.

(02:47:39):
It's accelerating there. You go help our friends, go make
the connections. Do like be Sweets, shout out sweets. Don't
think I said high to sweet side sweets at all
the places. Be Sweets. Sweets is literally helping not just
trouble up the Troubled Minds community here, but also helping
people and all the other places that are sort of
down stream of troubled Minds in a lot of ways,

(02:48:02):
help each other. Spread the word. If you've got extra time,
that's currency. Go help these folks. Go spread the word
and let people know what conversation is happening elsewhere and
around in the periphery of this entire space that's beautiful
and wonderful and very human. That's it. If you want
to help us directly spread the word, let people know
what conversation is happening.

Speaker 3 (02:48:23):
What.

Speaker 2 (02:48:23):
We're not going to tell you who to vote for.
We're not going to use their narratives, and we're going
to think outside the box right, wrong or indifference, and
wonder about what it means to be human, not just
in the ancient ways, but in twenty twenty five and beyond.
That's it. Sometimes it's simple. Sometimes it's hard. Sometimes there's
everything in between. This one is for hiker. Be sure,

(02:48:50):
be strong, be true. Thank you for listening from our
troubled minds to yours. Have a great night, mm
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