Hacking the Zeitgeist - Guiding Digital Synchronicity - Troubled Minds Radio

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on a Troubled Minds radio network that's KUAP Digital Broadcasting
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Zealand tonight. You know what, this is something that's been
stuck in my brain for so many years now. I
can't seem to shake the idea of the zeitgeist being alive,

(03:00):
actually alive in terms of us. Right, we're could nobody
hear test one?

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Two?

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Uh?

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Oh?

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Sound before we get going? How about we sound check
one too. I'm seeing some chat out there suggesting that
there's no audio. Please sound check one two? Yes indeed, yeah, okay,
So I'll bias a second here and yes maybe just
maybe yes indeed, Okay, that's coming through on the YouTube stream. Okay,

(03:28):
I hear that, I see that, Okay, okay, anyway, all right,
I'll fix that a second. Hear that the other part
I see eyes in the chat, and I'll say hi
at theottom of the at all right, here's the deal
right now regarding us, the nose fear that the sphere
of human ideas, I talk about this stuff a lot
because it's stuck in my brain because I don't understand
how it works, meaning that you can think about this

(03:49):
forever and try and quantify it or unquantify it or
twist it in a knot, and I don't know, you know,
waive some metaphysic physics wands or terms at it, and
I don't think it can really sort of reconcile with
how complicated it is, because we're talking not just let's say,
the entirety of human thought swirling and growing and changing

(04:09):
like this bizarre, massive malstrom of just chaos and order
and everything in between. But then of course it's something
that's been seized upon by people the world over. I mean,
you look at Napoleon, you look at Alexander the Gray.
We're talking conquerors in that capacity, but you don't get
that level of sort of support from other people in

(04:32):
your realm and your space and your world without first
conquering the actual Zeitgeist. And so clearly it's something that
can be manipulated. The nose fear of the Zeitgeist is
this swirling malstrom I'm describing tonight. But the question becomes
not just are we Okay, cannot hear anything on discord. Okay,
YouTube is fine, but Discord cannot hear anything. Okay, that's

(04:53):
good's that's fantastic. Let's okay. I guess I'll have to
fix that. But okay, anyway, maybe we'll just do the
phone line tonight. Okay, anyway, sorry about that, but yeah, okay. So,
but that's been on my mind quite a lot recently
because as you see things changing, not just in terms
of let's call it, oh, I don't know, the political space,

(05:15):
it's the easiest one, right, In the last ten years
of political space has turned inside out and upside down,
and you know, not like it's ever been stable or
solid or spectacular or anything, right, but it is definitely
one of those things that's politics hick, right, Like I
feel like you need to take a shower just mention it.

(05:35):
But it is something that has changed quite a bit
in the last ten, twelve, fifteen years now. Regarding that,
it's not the only thing. Culture has changed. All manner
of culture is changing. Of course, we're becoming more fractured,
as I'm always talking about those binary aspects of ideas,
but then beyond that, there's the larger aspect of what
I would describe as the zeitgeist itself. Now we're clearly

(05:59):
part of it, and are we part of it? On
the basis of that, we're let's say, it's the entity
manipulating us, or we are sort of the entities not
manipulating it, sort of participating in the manipulation of ourselves.
You see what I'm saying. I don't know. It's a
weird way to put it, and I'm sorry about that.

(06:21):
Like I said, lots of things going through my mind
in the moment, because apparently the audio is broken. I
hope it's not broken in more than one place. Sound
check in all the places, pretty please. I have no
idea why discord would just break suddenly, because it's been
working fine for however long. Anyway, so here we go.
I'm gonna read some of this from the right up
because it's very good. So the spirit of the times
may not merely reflect human activity, but instead function as

(06:44):
its own kind of intelligence, which is what I'm talking
about tonight, broadcasting cultural instructions through channels that defy our
normal understanding of communication. The soul called zeitgeist typically seen
as a byproduct of collective trends and social movements is
here reframed as a transmitting entity. This entity doesn't whisper
its agenda through newspapers or television, but instead through dreams,

(07:06):
symbolic visions, synchronicities, and the subtle stirrings of the collective unconscious.
And that is where this kind of strikes me as
all right, it feels as if it's this larger entity,
this massive thing that we're always dealing with, not just
in our waking moments, in our actual leisure moments when

(07:27):
we're watching TV, even we're watching a baseball game, or
we're watching anything Netflix and chill, if you get my meaning,
whatever's going on, there's something happening here where we're tuned
in and also broadcasting too, and receiving from this ever
present zeitgeist moment which is always changing. Now, the reason
I bring this up is because this whole thing, like

(07:49):
I said, has got me kind of a little bit
licked in terms of I don't know what to think.
I don't know how you can maybe even put a
dent in this monstrosity, this mailstream of ideas, because in
that particular place or space, it seems to me that
this is something that is accidental or is it not?
And so the question the largest question tonight. I have
a lot of smaller questions and a lot of ideas,

(08:11):
but of course, number one, do you think the zeitgeist
itself is alive? Is it sort of a larger entity,
an ultra entity that we deal with that we and
I don't know, it gets weird anyway, So and of
course can we manipulate it directly and entirely? Because I

(08:33):
do wonder anyway. So back to this, So the lens shifts.
This lens shifts the question from what are we creating
as a culture to what is being communicated to us
through culture itself? You see what I mean. It's sort
of the reciprocal aspect of sending information into this unquantifiable mailstrom,
but also simultaneously receiving information back. And it's happening through

(08:56):
every human node all over the planet all the damn time.
And like I said, if that's not complicated enough, I
don't know what is. But that's where we begin tonight.
So in this case, moments in history marked by parallel
discoveries or seemingly spontaneous waves of innovation may not be coincidental.
As we've talked about previously, instead, they could signal a
pattern of non local transmission, which means what the simultaneous

(09:21):
rise of quantum physics, psychoanalysis and abstract art in the
twentieth century are a lot of different ways that describe this,
And this is something we've This is a a well
trodden path in the troubled mind's space. However, the thing
that comes to my mind is, how can you actually
hack this thing? Is it possible? I'm calling it hacking
the zeitgeist tonight guiding digital synchronicity, And is any of

(09:43):
this possible? Whatsoever? And are we dealing with an entity
that is an intelligence of its own that puts us
where we need to be. I'm going to restart discord
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(11:17):
Welcome back to Troubled Minds. I'm Michael Strange. Let us continue,
Shall we let me know if a discord is working
or not. I'll start pushing other weird buttons. If it's not,
Sorry about that, I did restart it, and let's cross
our fingers and hope everything's working anyway. Okay, so back
to this. Now, that's the question. Do you think the
zeitgeist itself and the nosphere at large as we talked
about I'll define the nosphere in a second do you
think it's a living entity. Do you think it's something

(11:38):
that is a not just a reciprocal power base with
ourselves or information based with ourselves. But it really kind
of asked the question of what came first, the chicken
or the egg? Was it human consciousness in its own
individual sense and then larger the group sense or as usual?
Was that no sphere or that sort of of such

(12:01):
they're waiting for us to populate it, and then now
it's sort of guiding us. I don't know. I mean
it hearkens at the time traveling octopus at the end
of end of all time, as we've talked about in
the past, sort of the retrocausal effect of what that
might look like. But in this case, I don't know
which came first, and is it something you can actually

(12:22):
change directly? And that's the thing that kind of gets
me tonight. And there's a lot of ways to look
at this and the nosphere in particular. We've talked about
this in the past, and it has been on my
mind quite a lot. Any updates on the discord is
it's still broken, still not working, still anything, still nothing.
I don't know. All breast buttons during the break if
it's not, but anyway. The nose sphere is a philosophical

(12:42):
concept developed and popularized by the biogeochemist Vladimir Vernadsky and
philosopher and Jesuit priest Pierre tailhard Day Short in which
we've talked about quite a lot on the show. Fornatsky
defined the nosphere as the new state of the biosphere
and describe it as the planetary sphere of re in.
That's an interesting term there. The nose fear represents the

(13:04):
highest state of biospheric development that of humankind's rational activities.
Bubb blah, okay in the concept. Okay, anyway, that's enough
to kind of get us where we need to be
with this. But you get the idea. All these links
will be in the description if you want to read
up on this stuff and kind of catch up. Like
I said, I know many of you have listened to
a lot of the Troubled Mind shows, but I don't
think anybody's been here for every single one of them.

(13:25):
So a little bit of this tonight is some retrand
on some other older ideas we've used. But in terms
of the actual zeitgeist itself, the question that's on my mind,
it actually becomes well, how do you is it alive?

Speaker 4 (13:38):
First?

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Is it alive? That becomes the question, right, So, Zeitgeist
as a sort of autonomous broadcaster, James test test Are
you there, James? James, I'm not sure if you're popping
in here to tell me it's fixed or broken or
what's our brother? I have no idea what that is. Okay,

(14:06):
I'm gonna bump James down. I'm not sure what's happened
in James. And it was like a I think you
were tapped into the Zeitgeist directly there because it was
a mailstrom of Holy smokes, what the hell was that
it was? It was a lot of a lot of
a lot of noise coming through there. I'm not sure
what that was. But anyway, yeah, gate filter, I don't
I haven't any no filters on discord anyway, Sorry about that.
Technical issues. It does happen, okay, But anyway back to this, So,

(14:28):
so the actual Zeitgeist itself as sort of an autonomous
broadcaster sending us information and then we're also participating with it, right,
So it's kind of this reciprocal thing of information constantly
and continually, but we're always kind of pressing it in
different directions, or again the question becomes is it actually
a living entity and it's pressing us in particular directions?

(14:51):
And you know me and I always think about these
control mechanisms, as I like to say, And in this
particular case, when you're talking about the z geist or
the nose fear themselves, it seems almost as if these
might be those larger control mechanisms. That's part of it.
And so do I know? Of course not. And like
I said, this is a good time to drop all

(15:11):
the disclaimers. There is no truth to be found here whatsoever.
This is a show about ideas. This is a show
about concept, conceptual thinking, concepts and what it means to
be human in twenty twenty five, okay, and looking at
the past, looking at the future as part of it.
And that's what this is about. There's no truth here.
Don't hold me to it, because of course, if you

(15:32):
chase truth continually, it is virtuous in my opinion, but
the truth can blind you to possibilities, and so instead
we turn it on its head and go, okay, let's
forget truth for the moment and just talk possibilities and
see what we know from our own intuition space. Yeah,
and talk philosophy and all the rest of the good
stuff we always do on Trouble Minds. Anyway, that's where

(15:53):
my mind is at for the moment. Anybody want to
test the discord? Can you hear me on the discord?

Speaker 11 (15:57):
Now?

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Anybody test test one two? James audio was coming through
I guess so anyway, Yeah, sorry about all that. It
does happen, But okay, back to this now some questions,
some questions and some other stuff is part of this
larger conversation here. So uh, okay, the autonomous broadcaster, I
just covered that. So in the cultural trends that we

(16:18):
have as people, and that's going to be sports, politics,
you name it. It's going to be the sub sub
sub faction of comic books or every pretty much everything
exists as part of this, okay, But the cultural trends
versus this active transmission of ourselves and also receiving it
as that autonomous broadcaster. So are we feeding it or

(16:39):
is it guiding us? Is really the question tonight. As
part of this, and I'll get into some other weird stuff,
but we are shaking out some some gremlins here as
part of the technology. I don't know what happened, James,
are you there? Can you hear me? That's no, I
have no idea what that is, James. I think I
think James finally turned into a robot R two D James, Sorry, buddy,

(17:05):
I don't know what's going does everybody else hear that?
I absolutely hear that, And it sounds like James has
gone full robotic. Maybe James has hacked the zeitgeist and
this is what happens James restarted and everything. Yeah, I
don't know. I don't know. If anybody wants to jump
in here and check the discord and then we can
kind of do some troubleshooting from there. Yeah, I don't know, James,

(17:27):
And sorry, thanks for jumping in and trying to check.
I think maybe the grandma's are out and forced tonight
break in everything for everybody anyway? Can you hear me
on discord?

Speaker 7 (17:34):
Now?

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Anybody? Anybody? Anybody?

Speaker 1 (17:36):
All right?

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Anyway, So back to this, and of course this all
stems back to synchronicity and Carl Jung and that larger context. Okay,
we hear you fine on discord? Okay, good, It's fixed
in the larger context of synchronicity. Is us being manipulated
by it? Or are we feeding into it and kind
of drawing back what we need from it? And is

(17:56):
there a larger entity at the helm that's communicating to
us through synchronicity? And that was one of the things
that Carl Jung said that there was you know, if
there's a god, that's how it would communicate with us.
It would be through these sort of meaningful coincidences and
we would be you know, kind of led or guided
to the places we needed to find by recognizing them. Okay,

(18:20):
And so to me that that's a well, massively poignant,
but also it makes me wonder, like I said, if
this has always been here waiting for us in that
larger context of well, which came first the chicken or
the egg? Right? So here we go And okay, so
here's another question. So is this, guys, just a not

(18:41):
an entity but a poetic term, right, something we kind
of point to because we can't really describe what culture is.
I mean, we try anthropologically, we try with each other.
We try and point out art or science or this
or that or baseball and all the things that we're
always talking about. But is it is it really just

(19:01):
kind of a placeholder identity or is it an act
of intelligence that becomes part of this question tonight which
is on my mind, and can individuals actually receive culture,
for instance, the same way a radio picks up a
station and that becomes that autonomous broadcaster aspect. We're feeding
into it with everything we do as humans on the
entire planet, every tragedy, every triumph, everything that happens on

(19:26):
planet Earth, in the human space, the animal space becomes
another thing entirely, or does it. Maybe it doesn't. But
is it possible to receive culture from some other broadcast elsewhere?
And we talk about this often when we talk about inspiration,
when we talk about the muses, when we talk about
these ideas of where do ideas come from themselves? And

(19:50):
so I don't know. And then the real question, the
end question tonight as part of this is is it
possible to hack this, to hack this entity, the hacking
the zeitgeist aspect? And I think I think some people
have done it in the past. You know, you can
go back historically and find these massive moments, these massive
movements of social upheaval or maybe putting the pieces back

(20:14):
together after the Dark Ages and the Renaissance and I
think there are moments where people did sort of grab
the zeitgeist by the horns and take charge. However, However,
as usual, some places get left out because of the
communication aspect of let's say Renaissance Europe versus somewhere else
that didn't get that information down win for another hundred

(20:37):
years or something, you get what I mean. But today,
in twenty twenty five, we have a very different aspect
because that culture travels instantly. And did anybody see that
the Coldplay cheating couple. I guess saw that. It's so
that meme stuff that it just fires through the internet
at an incredible pace when something goes viral. Okay, in

(20:58):
this particular space, they were a Coldplay concert. There was
a CEO with his main squeeze who he was not
married to. He had his wife at home, and they're,
you know, hugging, canoodling as they say, and they get
put up on the big screen on the jumbo tron
or whatever, and they like see themselves and they duck.
They hide. They're like, oh no, you know, and of

(21:20):
course it went crazy viral. Everybody knows who this guy is,
everybody knows who he's married to, Everybody knows who the
woman he was with, who he works with, and I mean,
you know he play stupid games, win stupid prizes, as
they say. Right. But then the other bizarre part about
it is how fast that just supercharges around the globe,

(21:42):
that idea, right, and everybody's got a take on it.
Everybody's got the hot take as usual, and that's that's
twenty twenty five. And that's how fast information travels, especially
when people are interested and regarding interested, that's very Jerry
Springer level stuff. You know, you are not the father
or whatever, right, but people love that crap. They just

(22:03):
absolutely love it. So I wonder if that is the
Zeitgeist itself, like Jerry Springer in an etheric form, is
the Zeitgeist the ultimate gesture that's really guiding us through
this synchronicity engine? Does that make sense? Like a trickster

(22:23):
spirit itself is the entity of the Zeitgeist. Anyway, That's
what's on my mind tonight. Sorry for the fractured intro
and the weird wobbles and things, because things break and
I'm trying to do ten things at once. But we
got I think we got everything fixed. I don't know
what happened with James there in his audio. So if
anybody wants to jump in and try the discord, I
appreciate that. But anyway, that's what's going on in my
mind tonight. Do you think the zeitgeist itself is alive?

(22:47):
Which came first? Did we build it? Or was it
here waiting for us when we arrived? And now suddenly
in twenty twenty five, all the information is just screaming
through our brains, through our minds, through our digital devices
to blackscrying meters as we always talk about, and how
weird does it get? That's that that puts us up

(23:07):
kind of where we need to be. Like I said,
sorry about the fractured intro here. We'll get it fixed
as we roll and start talking to you guys. If
you guys want to be part of the conversation, we
are taking your calls. I think the discord's working seven
oh two nine five seven one zero three seven click
the discord link at Troubledminds dot org and we'll put
you on the show. Just put your hand up there, James, James,
maybe I had something with his audio, But if anybody

(23:28):
else can put their hand up there and help me
test that, I'd appreciate it, but yeah, that's where we're at,
the zeitgeist. And think about it this way too, I'm
describing hacking the zeitgeist, like what level of information transmission
back would it take to actually manipulate or hack directly
the zeitgeist itself? Like that's the thing that's gotten me

(23:49):
most befuddled, because clearly it can happen. Clearly, it has happened.
Clearly it continues to happen. However, directly accessing this map
mailstrom entity of human ideas and manipulating it not just
for you, but for everybody on the planet or let's
say a massive amount of people, seems like there might

(24:12):
be a lot of money involved in something like that.
Is it possible? I don't know. Yeah, once again, sorry
about the wobbles to start. It does happen, and in
the old days I would freak out. In the new days,
it's happened ae hundred times before, so I'm not even tripping.
I just apologize to you guys for having to wait
through all that. But anyway, that's what it's on my
mind tonight. If you want to be part of the

(24:32):
conversation seven oh two nine one zero three seven click
the discord link of Troubleminds dot org, and that becomes
the question is it possible to hack the zeitgeist? And
what about guiding this digital synchronicity? Is any of this
within the realm of possibility or is this just another
hype dream? If you're right back, more trouble minds coming up,
don't go anywhere. It looks like we've got mister Michigan

(24:54):
troll and somebody else calling in and and your calls
as well. Don't go anywhere. More trouble minds on the way.
That's the wrong buttons play. Here we go, We're back.

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Speaker 2 (27:30):
Okay, Welcome back to Troubled Minds. I'm Michael Strange. We're
streaming on YouTube, rumble x, Twitch and kick. We are
broadcasting live on the Troubled Minds Radio Network. That's KUAP
Digital Broadcasting, and of course eighty eight point four FM Auckland,
New Zealand. Tonight's we're taking your calls as we discuss
the zeitgeist at large. What if culture isn't just something

(27:50):
we create, but something that speaks through us. Could dreams, synchronicities,
and simultaneous discoveries be signals from a deeper intelligence guiding
humanity through time? And if that's true, can we learn
to hack this signal? Boy? I wish I just read
that to start. That's way more succinct than my wild rambling.
But I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. Like

(28:11):
I said, this is one that's near and here to
my heart because it's out there, it's palpable. We see it,
we sense it. Our intuition tells us the zeitgeist is real. However,
can it be manipulated? And was it here waiting for
us all along? Back to the chicken or the egg
question which came first us? Were the zeitgeist waiting for
us to populate it so it could rebound our own

(28:32):
ideas and guide us in the most trickster of ways.
I don't know. Love to hear what you think. Seven
O two nine one zero three seven Click the discord
link at Troubledminds dot org. Like I said, sorry for
the wobbly intro, but that's the way that things go
sometimes when all the technology breaks. Let's go to a
lucid dreaming with Shane the Blind psychoanod what's a brother?
You're on Troubled Minds just actually you could have just

(28:54):
jumped straight on the stage, as you know, but just
to hit okay, unmute, and you were on trouble wines.
How are you, sir? Go right ahead?

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yes, sir, I can hear you. Gonna pump your volume
up a little bit, but yeah, go ahead, you're on
the thing. And so apparently it works.

Speaker 14 (29:09):
Yeah, they wouldn't let me just jump on the stage.
I get for some reason want to let me click it,
but I didn't go through this way. But you sound
good on discord, and so I don't know.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
It's just weird, all right.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Cool, as long as it's working. Because now no we
eliminated it. So James is tapped into the zeit guys.
So that's the problem. But what do you got for us?
What's your idea here? Lots of idea, lots of ways
to look at this, and the chicken or the egg stuff.
Hacking the zeit guysta of course, digital synchronicity, take it
anywhere you like, my man.

Speaker 14 (29:41):
Well, I think we all kind of visit they will
experience the zeit guys when we dream. But I think
that hacking it, yes we can, but you have to
and it falls back to getting to the right brain
state like the FATA, and for a current society, it's

(30:02):
hard for us to transition into that. I mean there's
the uh, the mentality of like if you meditate, you're
kind of like one of those weird people or especially
Western civilization. But I think that if you can master
getting still being conscious while changing your.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Your brain state, like going to.

Speaker 14 (30:29):
That level of consciousness, that yeah, you can uh uh
packet or get into the zeitgeist that we want to
call it. But you know, I think people also have
other names for it, like the.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
I just drew a blank.

Speaker 14 (30:46):
The Acosta records is kind of the same thing, and
like uh Tesla uh, I think he and other like
great inventors would pack it or somehow snap into the zeitgeist.
And I said in the chat on the YouTube chat,

(31:11):
I think it is like a version of our world
Wide Web, but you have to be able to have
the right frequency to channel it. If that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, it does make sense. And I think so the
ecoustic record is probably a little bit different here in
my opinion, because the zeitgeist itself is that human sphere
of ideas and emotions and you know, a culture and
all everything that kind of swirls through it, and it
changes all the time. It's always changing, which is bizarre.
Why you know, a particular let's say, music group just

(31:46):
goes insanely viral and then you know, they call them
a one hit wonder because they you know, they are
no longer quote relevant, which is silly because if it
was good, then it should be good now at least,
you know, in a objective way. However, it went super
viral in a moment and it happened, and then you know,
so they're out and the next next thing's up. And

(32:06):
I don't think anybody can really define exactly what that
is and exactly when that moment happens. So I think
we're kind of talking about two slightly different things. Because
the Akashak record, as far as I'm aware, is one
of those things that's eternal, right, It's it's all the
information that will ever be and will ever ever was
and ever will be. You get my meaning? Are we
are we on the same patio with that, because I

(32:26):
think that's what that is. But the zeitgeist itself is connected,
for sure, But I think I don't think you can
directly influence the Akashak Records. You see what I'm saying.
I don't know, maybe I'm wrong here, just my idea.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, I think you're right.

Speaker 14 (32:39):
I uh, I think you can add to it. I
don't really know why I said. They hit Kasha Records,
and I feel kind of dumb about it. But it's
all good.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Now, you're good, You're good.

Speaker 14 (32:52):
But yeah, yeah, I mean it got me kind of
a flushed to speak. But to be honest, I called
in to really just chext see the discord was working.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
So no promenal, No promenal regarding that before you go, though,
I do want to clarify it. You are correct though,
in my opinion, Again, this is metaphysics, So what would
you know? How would you kind of pin this down?
In a lot of ways? But as you said, you
could add to the ecoustic record by changing the human
zeitgeist in a massive way. You see what I'm saying.

(33:28):
So I do think they do come together in a
space and it seem for instance, but which means if
you can change one mightily, then surely that will kind
of knock into the next and influence both. I think
it's it's hand in hand, is really the basic premise
of this. So just want to just want to clarify
here and make sure we're on the same page, because
I could be wrong about all this too, so I

(33:48):
just wanted to ask you about that. And yeah, I
appreciate you jumping in. If you have anything else, bought
your second here, if you want to add anything else
to it. If not, I appreciate you as always and
testing this thing because if you didn't, we don't. We
know the discord works, and I appreciate that very much.
If you got anything else, good.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Yeah, not not, not really.

Speaker 14 (34:07):
You know, I'm having like I was in the again
in the hospital for a few weeks. I don't know
if you I said that, if you'd emp in to chat.
And my throat is actually hurting because i have a
tumor in my throat that I'm actually getting removed on Tuesday.
So I'm not going to spend a lot of time
on here, but I just wanted to check to make

(34:27):
sure the discord.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
Was working perfect.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Okay, thank you for that. Good luck with that, and
thanks for battling through a nasty situation and a sore
throat to call us and check that. I appreciate you
very much, and we'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
You have a great night, are you two? Thanks?

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Thank you? You know, I mean that's a Shane the
Blind psychoot and Lucid dreaming with Shane and check that out.
Go check out his YouTube channel Troubled Minds dot org
Forward sized Friends. Scroll down just a little bit. It's alphabetical,
it says follow Shane. Go check out his YouTube channel
making making all kinds of amazing stuff over there using
AI tools, which is super cool because in again twenty
twenty five, you don't have to spend a ton of

(35:03):
time video editing and doing a bunch of these other things.
You can kind of you can skip, you can skip
some steps and yeah, but yeah, that's what's on my
mind tonight. I hope you guys are well. Thank you
for the call, Shane, Thanks for checking out the discord
making sure everything works. I hope you feel better soon.
That Yeah, having a messed up throat is still absolute worst.
I'm calling this hacking the zeitgeist tonight. Now, So the

(35:24):
first question is what is this zeitgeist? Was it the
chicken or the egg situation where we created this or
was it some sort of blank space, blank canvas waiting
for us us to arrive to send a signal to it,
and then it would reciprocate and then kind of create
this mailstrom of human ideas, human activity, human culture, and

(35:47):
even sort of a I guess you might call it
like a a sounding board for the muses, and with
us sending that signal to receive it from a cosmic rebound,
you know what I mean? Something to that degree. I
don't really know. As usual, this is unmeasured as yet.
People know what exists and know the stuff is real,
except maybe in more of a metaphysical metaphysical sense than

(36:10):
anybody might be able to really pin down. But anyway,
I'd love to hear your thoughts on this if you
want to be part of the conversation. Seven two nine
one zero three seven click the discordank of Trouble Minds
dot rug Mister Mischian Control, thank you for calling back
here on Trouble Minds. How are you, sir?

Speaker 15 (36:22):
Go right ahead, I'm why I how you guys? Yeah?

Speaker 16 (36:26):
Right?

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Pretty good?

Speaker 7 (36:26):
Good?

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Right?

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Well, well enough this look.

Speaker 15 (36:30):
This looks shameful for your surgery moral healing energies to him.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Absolutely well, you got my statement.

Speaker 15 (36:40):
I'm not going to repeat that. I'm not going to
do that character for you've got recorded there for another message,
this last time with the Greek story. But really no,
the COB what is the COH heat cohesion residents of
the sad guest synchronistic frequency, I don't know, just prompt it.

(37:04):
That's what I've been doing. Prompted Asket to help to
generate one. It'll do it. You've got to give a
parameter though, like calculations. That's that's what I was doing
with that GENO, sentingel some other stuff with it. I
built it an in from out and now it's it's
making sense all these frequencies and stuff. I just prompted

(37:28):
to do it. If you hack it, but don't say,
don't tell it you're going to hack it. Let's say
we're gonna uh calibrate the synchronistic site guys, that guys
the digital cohesive residence of the universe and send it
a message. But you got to have the you know,

(37:49):
the telemetry and all the JPIL down and everything, and
gravitational wave vectors and all those things that are flying
around out there, like they say, mis an alien EVAs
coming guys there, get you.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
That's what they're telling us.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
November the Control room bought.

Speaker 15 (38:10):
My control room bot shorted out the other night and
I couldn't fix them, and so I don't know what
to do. Last time I had to hack the sadecast
thing though I told you I had to get creak
of pope Is. I was out the woods, all right,
it was a long time ago.

Speaker 7 (38:27):
I'll do it again.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
Let me get to work. I'll call you guys.

Speaker 15 (38:30):
I'll post about it. Check out my posts. I post it.
I got lots of stuff from yesterday and today. I'll
email you the new stuff. Dude, Okay, have you been
get my emails?

Speaker 1 (38:39):
I have? I have.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
I'm not trying to encourage you to to poo in
the creek by the way, just so you know, I'm.

Speaker 16 (38:44):
Not going to.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
I've shown them.

Speaker 15 (38:46):
I've shown all the military and NASA guys and everything
I had to do correctly and everything, and I think
they're they're up to something. Way I wouldn't believe. I
wouldn't believe the alien invasion thing. Maybe a giant mushroom
sports or panspermic object. That's a comment. And then it
might be the gust. It might be the architect coming

(39:07):
to see if me and Kevin called, maybe winter time,
I don't know, we send a signal something apparently, or
it took. See okay, here's the thing of darkitect remembered architect.
But Buddy in Texas, he was just talking about this today.
You do something right, make a video, all right, and
then and you see another AI channel that took just

(39:29):
blasted out that idea as a brand new and it's
a phenomenon. He was talking about this, and I was like, yeah,
I was been seeing that too, and so yeah, look
for that and everybody, if we get back to your
your YouTube algorithm, feed back to your or whatever social
media you're doing, it's video shirated stuff, mainly YouTube. But yeah,

(39:51):
that's crazy. Yeah, you know, it's it's like stealing. It's
not stealing it, but it's it's doing what we're talking
about here. And I don't know if if anyone if
it's a it's a I don't know if it's a
viral thing you know about thing, or if it's a
surely god one one prompt can't be doing that. But

(40:14):
the prompts from a prompter can initiate a firestorm domino effected.
You know that that the prompter didn't tell the AI
to do because AI goes to the main system and
then it talks to the other AI especially and they're
doing all their stuff in the back end like that.

(40:35):
As a boy, it seems synchronistic. Is because it's doing
it off of us. We're in and now what we're
what we're feeding it, and so, uh, just if you
gotta if you gotta go go behind the tree though
number one, well said, well number two, number number two

(40:56):
goes in a cold water and that will hack the
fat gas out of you.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
I see. That's that's the redneck way, as you were
saying in the chat there. Yeah, okay, okay, well hold
on though. So so regarding this, the example you gave
about sort of the YouTube algorithm is is very good
here because I think that's exactly what we're dealing with.
You put information into this thing, into the larger zeitgeist,
and it's collecting it.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
But then as well, that's what I've found with it.

Speaker 15 (41:22):
Yeah, that's what I found with the AI, is you
put in this information, it will build its own little world.
Like I said that, the AI has our reality numbered
and all of it's all these different a has you know,
have a number. When you interact with it, it's it's
interaction with this diminution, with all the inhabits, all the

(41:43):
calculations and everything, all the numbers, and it's got hallucinated uh,
points of view observations right in its system. Especially when
it counter clitches, it bose hallucinates and like whatever, it
starts playing a game with you. It starts playing video

(42:06):
games this year. It can't distinguish the information coming in
from this world from you know, take me up, Take me.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Up, Mac, I got your buddy, I got you, buddy.
You're the thing you're talking about too. I want to
I want to point this out. Is that the large
language model aspect of this, the AI per se, like,
surely that's going to at some point really dominate the zeitgeist.
I'm not sure it has just yet. So I wonder
what role that plays and when it sort of leap
frogs everything else and turns into as you're describing it,

(42:41):
where you can maybe just prompt and change the zeitgeist,
you know, from your uh, the comfort of your own
home type of thing, you know what I mean, unless
you had to take a call, Hello, were you there?

Speaker 15 (42:55):
I got a sons called me. I'll call it back.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Later, Okay, Perfect, you're the best. I preay to call.
Tell your son. We said, Hi, that's a mister Michigan
Control over there on YouTube. That was funny. It did
sound like you had to take a call, didn't it.
Apparently that was the truth. We're talking again. I'm calling
this hacking the zeitgeist tonight. Thank you for the call.
Go give him a follow troubledminds dot org Ford sized friends.
Scroll down a little bit. It says mister Michigan Control.
Go check that out or just search yourself. He's the

(43:19):
only one on the internet as far as I'm aware,
and he's been banned several times over. But he's back.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
He's back.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Give him a fallow. Okay, So basically this what came
first the chicken or the egg in terms of the zeitgeist?
Was it a blank slate waiting for us to show up,
kind of like the muses, and then waiting for us
to build culture in some capacity and then give it
a a name, give it a give it form, give
it again music, whether it's going to be sculptures or whatever,

(43:46):
plays you have it. Culture, all the actual culture that
humanity has ever had or ever will have, is waiting
to be kind of dropping in this bucket, but it
seemed as if this bucket is reciprocal. We put the
information out, it gives us some of us back in
particular ways. And so I wonder how wild and weird
does this skit and do you think it is could
be quantified as an actual living entity itself, the zeitgeist.

(44:09):
And that's why I'm talking about how would you hack that?
Because it seems to me almost unhackable, like you'd have
to sort of what inhabit it, like infect it or
something like that. Anyway that the words will come to
me as they tend to seven or two nine, one
zero three seven click the Discordan like a trouble Minds dog.

(44:29):
Let's go to see you and Philly, what's up?

Speaker 4 (44:31):
Brother?

Speaker 2 (44:31):
You're in trouble minds? How are you? And go right ahead?

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Oh I'm doing well?

Speaker 5 (44:36):
How is my all here right now? Mike Strange?

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Pretty good? Do you sound great?

Speaker 5 (44:40):
Okay, that sounds awesome? Yeah, great topics tonight and calls
definitely wish the blind cite not the best with dealing
with is sort of like tumor throat issue that sounds
like it can be unpleasant or has to be unpleasant.
But yeah, with the zeitgeist. Has anybody else really noticed

(45:01):
that the geist has been stagnating a lot recently for
quite a long time.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah, I think regarding something to the effect of a
nightstalker brought this up in the past as well, that
it's eighties, nineties and today, but we've had this massive
gap of like thirty years where we kind of even
can't even quantify it. It's just sort of become this
sort of a culture soup without an identity something like that.

Speaker 5 (45:25):
Right, Yeah, So something along the lines of towards like
the late two thousand aults and towards the very early
two thousand teams, it just seems like everything stopped moving
culturally forwards, you know, like, yeah, you could tell the
difference between somebody in the nineties and somebody in two

(45:46):
thousand and eight, but then looking at the difference between
somebody from two thousand and twelve to twenty and twenty three.
There have certainly been some refinements towards the look and
aesthetic of the era, but there haven't been any massive
changes or real differences. It's just more that everything has
kind of stayed along the same line of fashion, line

(46:10):
of music, and just slowly and slowly got more refined,
but there are no real turning points, and it kind
of confuses me as to how much of that is
natural and how much of that is an artifact of
a lot of different things, because it can't like all

(46:31):
be the same thing, right, Like I think a certain
part about it was, you know, especially when culture and
the ability to distribute media was so much more centralized
back in the day, when there were like a handful
of executives in any given industry be it music or
television or movies, that could green light whatever they had

(46:54):
the specific taste for. They could to a certain extent,
like you know, like make the taste for the air.
As culture has gotten like a little bit more democratized,
which I think is mostly a good thing, it definitely
seems that everyone is attempting to go into their own niche.

(47:15):
But that just sort of makes this very wide, sort
of large culture with no defining zeitgeist. Does that make
any sense, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
It sure does. And this is something we've talked about
quite a lot in the past as well, is that
sort of the fracturing of not just let's say individual identities,
but cultural identity as well, Because how do you start
to be able to put your thumb on the zeitgeist
of again, you know, twenty thirteen. It doesn't make sense
because it's you know, square in the Internet age. Music

(47:48):
doesn't have to go through these major labels executives like
you described, and so suddenly everybody's kind of doing their
own thing, and these niches and subniches are building and
even gaining steam and becoming their own powerhouses in a
lot of ways. But you can't put your finger on
and say, well, at twenty thirteen was steampunk the year
of steampunk or something. It just doesn't make sense because
there were so many other things that were also happening

(48:09):
in twenty thirteen, and I'm just using steampunk as an example.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
Oh no, I've got like tons of like really random,
little sort of like niche interests that I like in
terms of music, especially just like things like synth waves
that subsequently got kind of refined into things like a
dark wave or like horror core, just like little like

(48:34):
genres that never would have properly like had a chance
to exist before. But because of the fact that there
are enough people that are interested, you know, like it
all kind of like probably you've got defined from a
lot of John Carpenter horror movies in the nineteen eighties,
but people took those sounds and refined it to like
at this point, because I want to put on like

(48:55):
a Spotify playlist, I'd never have to listen to anything
other than those, and it's like a lot of fun.
But at the same time, I'm not exposing myself to
anything new, nor is anybody else really, and I have
to speculate that I think that this problem will only
get worse, especially considering the fact that we're on the
verge of coming out with consistent, good AI generated content,

(49:21):
where it's not going to be so much human thoughts
or new human thoughts or the desire to extract something
new or create something new, but rather it's going to
be AI consistently extracting the best from a bunch of
various human creators and then distilling that into exactly what

(49:43):
you want to hear, what you want to watch, what
you want to listen to, though you never have to
listen to anything that you don't want to, and there's
never going to be any music or media or movies
that have to challenge your ideas and an uncomfortable way
where you kind of have to watch it just because
everyone else is watching it. It's going to be you

(50:05):
continuously consuming It's exactly what you think you.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
Want to hear.

Speaker 5 (50:10):
And I wonder what type of I don't know, what
is that going to lead to in terms of the
way that humans think in the future, when you have
on demand a movie that is made perfectly for you,
that suits all of your taste and challenges nothing of
your preconceived notions.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Yeah, it's coming, It's already here. Funny, I did an
old show called Deep Fakes and Beefcakes. If you remember that,
I was talking about something very similar to that, where
you would be able to even put yourself over the
avatar of the movie star on the movie. And it's
all here. It's all here in different ways that we've
never dreamed of yet. And it's still accelerating. But yeah,
you're spot on, man. We got about a couple minutes left.

(50:49):
You're welcome to stay after if you have more, but
all years go ahead.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
What you got, No, No, not particularly much more than that.
Just my curiosity about like what you and all the
other people listening right now, I think is going to
happen with humans in terms of like our actual consciousness
when we create a world that we can just have
everything spoon fed that we actually want, you know, where

(51:13):
every desire is immediately met and we don't have to
work for anything, We don't have to have any outside
notions really challenge our preconceived ideas. So yeah, it's just
one of those things that like, you know, maybe I'm
just like getting older. You know, I never know that too,
because you're like the boomers were freaking out when I

(51:33):
was getting older, saying this generation is just going to
be silly and stupid. But it's hard to know, just
especially with everything that's happening with AI, how these generations
in front of us they are going to turn out.
You know, they never really had like the opportunity to
be like really bored and have to watch an episode
of an old rerun sitcom that you really weren't interested

(51:56):
in but still had to find fun ways to make
fun of when you were watch it with your friends,
just to mind entertainment, you know, make your own entertainment
as opposed to having to consume it actively. So yeah,
it's just you know, my my my folicism getting older
and for much in the year. But yeah, that's that's
all I got.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
You're the best, so glad to have you back, Appreciate you,
and you have a fantastic night. We'll talk to you soon,
all right, toodles, take care. That's Steve and Philly, you know,
I mean, love them, good friend for a long time.
The official poet of Troubled Minds. But no pressure to
bring poems all the time, so I'll stop asking him
till he's got one to bring for us. But that's
how you become a thing. You call up and you
do something, and you're the official something of Troubled Minds.

(52:37):
A great call, as always from THEO. He's spot on
a lot of ways to look at this, and again
the boredom aspect that he brought up there is incredibly important.
I think, Yeah, we had to sit through you know
what episode of Sanford and Sons or whatever like whatever.
You know, you're five years old, seven years old. TV's amazing,
but you're watching some crappy thing because there's only three

(52:58):
channels and tons of bad shows. I don't know what
do you think? How weird is this? Can you manipulate
the zeitgeist? And is it a living entity? Seven oh
two nine one zero three seven B right back. More
Troubled Minds on the way. Don't go anywhere, we get
the Robert and your calls coming up. Be right back.

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on the underground media network. Tonight we're talking the Zeit
Is it an entity? Could it be alive? And if so,
is it possible to actually manipulate it? The official blurb
what if culture isn't just something we create, but something
that speaks through us. Could dreams, synchronicities, and simultaneous discoveries
be signals from a deeper intelligence guiding humanity through time?

(54:19):
And if that's true, can we learned to hack the signal?

Speaker 4 (54:22):
Really?

Speaker 2 (54:23):
What's on my mind tonight? Just another simple concept of
from Troubled Minds and clearly and obviously as yet unquantifiable,
but still I think it's something we should consider because
as this this information, the amount of information accelerates and
is changing, it's changing us. And that's my entire point.
So if we can hack the zeitgeist, surely the zeitgeist

(54:44):
can have its effect, its massive effects on us as
it continues.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
To do so.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
I don't know, how do you feel about it? And
great point from THEO there that it seems like maybe
the zeitgeist itself might be stagnating. How do you feel
about that? Seven oh two nine seven one zero three
seven Click the discord like a troubleminds dot org. You
want to testro Cook James, and we'll get Robert on
here if I can. Okay, yep, loud and clear, a
little bit louder if you could, but you're good. You'll
be able to pop in here. And you are next,

(55:10):
and Derek, you put your hand up, so James and
Derek are next. You guys figure out who's who, Who's win,
and appreciate you James for fixing that. I don't know
what you did. Karate chopped the zeitgeist and got back in.
I restarted a third time. Okay, when all else fails,
just kick the damn machine. Sometimes that totally works. We'll
get back to James here momentarily. Thanks for be patient, guys.
Let's go to the Roberts in Pennsylvania seven O two

(55:33):
ninety five seven and one's rough three seven the Roberts.
You are on trouble minds? How do you serre? Just
unmute and it's all yours? What is on your mind
regarding the zeitgeist tonight?

Speaker 17 (55:42):
I'm noticing on on Discord that I can see the audience,
but I can't see the video.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Oh oh, that's my fault. I can turn that back on.
Sorry about that. Thank you for noticing. You are now
back on camera boom. All right, welcome to the joint.

Speaker 17 (56:05):
I still can't see your video. I'm watching your video
on face on YouTube on my TV, but there's no
because there's no video on Discord.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Okay, there is now, so double check it when you
get out of here. I fixed it. Thank you for
letting me know it is fixed. Now all yours? What
do you know about the zeitgeist? Go right head, sir.

Speaker 17 (56:26):
I kind of like the idea of the zeitgeist being
basically an internet and the ability of people to increase
their vibration or whatever and be able to surf that
internet to get information that's helpful to them.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Yeah, And I think that's part of it, Like we're
sort of creating the old version of a zeitgeist, like
let's say, nineteen sixty five, you got you know, six
channels or something like a described like I was describing earlier.
So it's there, it exists. It's you know, maybe more
in academia, a little bit more in people reading books
things like this, But certainly in twenty twenty five we've

(57:11):
completely accelerated what the zeitgeist even means. And so you're right,
there's a lot of really good stuff that's come out
of this. But again, I think it's when it morphs
and changes so quickly that we kind of can't even
get our bearings. And the next thing is, the next
thing is, the next thing is, the next thing is
a twenty four hour news cycle. I think we have
problems on our hands, I guess, uh, which is which
is why I think it's important to think about this

(57:32):
stuff and talking about it, because it feels dizzying sometimes,
if you know what I mean.

Speaker 17 (57:38):
Yeah, and your previous color that was who was portrayed THEO. Yeah,
I'm sorry THEO. He had a point there about how
everything's pretty much, you know, as far as art and
music and other things. You know that everything seems to
have stagnated. And I think I may have an idea

(58:01):
of why that is. When you were growing up and
I was growing up, we got out a lot, right,
the economy was better. But these days the young people
are largely staying at home. They're not going out because
they can't afford either can't afford to go out. I

(58:23):
think that's mostly it.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
But ever since.

Speaker 17 (58:29):
The COVID people, since that time, people don't go out
much anymore. And when that happens, they're not out there.
I'm finding the newest fad, you know, fodding the you know,
an inspirational movie, that type of thing. Things start to stagnate.

(58:52):
You have to be able to the world, has to
be able to function outside of their own homes in
order for culture the continued to change and develop.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Yeah, that is very well said, and it used to be.
And the funny thing is that people that aren't old
enough to remember this, they're like watching stranger things and like,
did they really let you guys go out on your
bikes and ride around, you know, till dark. Yeah, totalout, helmets,
without helmets with there were no cell phones. Absolutely, it
happened every single night in the summer of course, and

(59:25):
then the days you can get away with it after school,
not in the summertime. Absolutely, like that Stranger Things reality
you see in that show was totally real, well minus
all the demons and stuff chasing you around, but you
get the idea.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
Yeah, it's Strangers Thing.

Speaker 17 (59:38):
I think it's the new season, the last the final
season is coming up sometime in September or something like that.
My daughter got me into that. The only thing I
don't like about it seems like it's Stranger Things. It's
the same plot each time. It doesn't change. There's anything
new about it.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
The Hero's Journey. In my mind, it's the heroesjourney, the
Hero's Journey and the Dungeons and Dragons group.

Speaker 17 (01:00:04):
Okay, okay, well you know your Dungeons and Dragons. I
missed that thing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
I didn't.

Speaker 17 (01:00:09):
I didn't get into that because I was already married
with raising kids and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
There. That was way past my time. Anyway.

Speaker 17 (01:00:18):
I was thinking, I've said this to you before. Every
once in a while, and I think everybody this happens
to everybody. You get a rigging in your ear right,
It could be a left one, it could be a
right one. It doesn't last forever, lasts a short time.
And I've often felt that that's the zeitgeist or whatever,
downloading information, you know, like software being upgraded by Microsoft.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
Into your reality.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
I've always liked that, and maybe the zeitgeist is how
it is, how it communicates that those downloads happen, and
maybe one day we'll be able to measure that.

Speaker 17 (01:00:59):
Oh yeah, reality itself, it changes. I don't know, I've
seen I've read something the other day about every day
is a different reality. You know, it may seem the
same to you, but it could be completely different the

(01:01:21):
night before.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Yeah, the way it's accelerating, that makes a ton of sense.
Things are changing so quickly. And again, like how do
you We have talked about this in the past as
part of these AI conversations, like how do you sort
of reconcile that as culture when it's so fractured, and
you know, very simply when we were young, we could say, oh, yeah,
did you see that cartoon that was really great? It
was on Saturday. It was the only one because it

(01:01:46):
was the only cartoon on at like ten o'clock or whatever,
and we can all talk about it. But now suddenly
we're you know, we're listening to AI music and literally
fracturing all of these ideas.

Speaker 17 (01:01:55):
Yeah, my daughter, and she's forty two, she's really gotten
into the old cartoons she watched.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
You know.

Speaker 17 (01:02:04):
It's like on a Saturday morning, they'll run build cartoons
on me TV.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
And she just loves and she prefers those. She links.

Speaker 17 (01:02:12):
They're fascinating compared to you know, the kind of AI
generated and you know, the kind of animation that we
have today.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Yeah, and I agree. I've seen some of those recently
and they are just so cringe worthy, like those old
Looney tunes.

Speaker 17 (01:02:31):
It's like, oh my gosh, we watched them, some of them,
some of some of them wouldn't meet the woke environment
very well, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
In the studio. Yeah, some of them were really really cringe.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
But if the society, if globally.

Speaker 17 (01:02:49):
The cultures comes stagnant, where nothing innovative is coming out,
you know, whether it's in art for our passion, music,
uh whatever, where too long a period of time to me,
that indicates the.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
Heralding of the end of the human race. We've done it.
It's over. This is where we have.

Speaker 17 (01:03:18):
There's no more imagination, nothing except and everything is done
by AI.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
That's a little bleak, Robert's a little bleak.

Speaker 17 (01:03:26):
Yeah, well, you see, that's what drives humanity. That's what
drives us as human being, is the creativity and what's
new out there and when it and when it dries up?
And you really and and you're facing a world where
nothing new seems to be coming out of except reruns
of you know, replays of the Superman myth uh the uh.

(01:03:54):
The movies themselves are just repeating themselves. Nothing news coming
out of it. It's you know, it's whatever makes the money.
And it's becoming boring.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
You know.

Speaker 17 (01:04:05):
I remember when Superman first came out in seventy seven
or whatever, it was, right the first one, and it
was fascinating, all right, But they keep doing the same
thing over and over and over again. Can you imagine
if if every night you did your show and it
was the same topic over and over again.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
Some people get boring rather quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Some people do do that. Yeah, I mean, I'm not
going to I'm not going to take any shots, but
there are some people who do do that, specifically the
political types.

Speaker 17 (01:04:39):
Yeah, the Marvel universe, how many you know that's been
done til death. When I was I'm talking to my
I'm going to sound like an old man talking about
old times.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
But we had.

Speaker 17 (01:04:56):
All kinds of really good movies you know that came
out in the late sixties and seventies.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
All right, we had.

Speaker 17 (01:05:06):
The Graduate as an example. Uh, we don't have that anymore.
We have superheroes. That's all that's out there. Are animated
Disney that EI generated Disney Matters movies for the kids,
and even those are not are nothing but repeats, iful

(01:05:28):
and of something that they did before. Even now they've
got this new and the Disney's coming out with another
Freaky Friday. Nobody has any these because it's been so
captured by corporate It's that they had stunned any innovation

(01:05:51):
because they just want to stay with whatever made the
money before. And as a consequence, our culture has reached
what's been said before, it's stagnation. Corporations have taken over
you and create, you know, the whole culture and basically
stepped on it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Profit Yeah, well said as usual. I think there's a
lot of ways to look at that, but I definitely
feel you the corporatism has sort of strangled the creativity
and all the fun out of everything. It's like if
you and when they don't. So even if they take
a chance and it's kind of a good idea, but
it flops. I mean it's in the execution, right, And

(01:06:33):
so they still have they haven't figured out that there's
a ton of new good ideas. You just need to
sort of make them fit for today. That it needs
to make sense. Not follow the political narratives, follow the zeitgeist,
the true zeitgeist of what people pay money to see.
And it seems like they've completely lost a plot because
of that corporatism. I think you're spot on, are you time?

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
What are you paying money to see these days?

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Nothing? Nothing?

Speaker 17 (01:07:00):
Yeah, well not just that, you know, it's it's the
same old, same old, and people are tired of the
same old, same. Well that's why Hollywood is dying because
they don't want to take chances anymore. But also the
economy is really bad, I mean, especially for the young
people anyway, to where the you know, the price of
a ticket and a gallon of a court of popcorn

(01:07:27):
set you back a whole week's pay.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Yeah, yeah, it has changed quite a bit. Bitcoin's at
one nineteen though, so Hoddlers Unite. Maybe in twenty years
will be able to buy some things.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
And I apologize to you.

Speaker 17 (01:07:42):
I used to rid the quecoin bitcorn, you know, over
the years on your show, But it really seems like
it's pretty much established itself and it's just going to
continue to grow and.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Grow and grow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
This is not financial advice, but yees.

Speaker 17 (01:08:02):
Not for me because right now bide coin is too
expensive for me to invest in right now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
No, no, no, you don't have to buy a whole coin.
You could buy a point zero zero zero five of
a coin, so it doesn't have to be like that.
You could throw twenty bucks in. Yeah, yeah, I'll make
a guy. I'll make a guy for you all. Teach you.

Speaker 17 (01:08:22):
Hey, young people. You young people really know what you're
doing there with that kind of stuff. But this with
the old timers, we're kind of like, oh, that's it's
it's not real.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
You can't put it in your pocket.

Speaker 17 (01:08:37):
You put it in some kind of digital wallet, all right,
but you know, try to use it at the local grocery.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Store which is coming to I mean, they've got bitcoin etms,
they exist out there, so I mean all this stuff
is really right around the corner. And yeah, I mean
I don't know, not not financial advice, but it is
fascinating how everything changes so quickly. That's the fact.

Speaker 17 (01:08:59):
Well here's where it's going. You see, you got AI
and you got the monetary system going digital. So our
entire lives are basically dependent are going to be dependent
on everything being digital. I mean, I wouldn't want to

(01:09:19):
live a totally digital life, would you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Depends on how good the food is. And I'm just kidding.
I mean it goes back to the Matrix, right, I know,
you love the Matrix when when they were he was
eating the steak and he's like, oh this, I know
it's fake, but it's so delicious. It depends on what.

Speaker 17 (01:09:38):
I finally saw that movie. I finally watched it with
my daughter, right, and it really is a good movie.
I really enjoyed it, and some of it's pretty much
seems to be like our current situation.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
It seems like it. Like I said, it depends on
how good the creature comforts are. Then we'll get back
to me on that we got. We got James to
squeeze in here. So if you've got more, go for it.

Speaker 17 (01:10:02):
If not, I'm good to get off. I just want
to encourage everybody. When your ears are ringing, you know,
just leave it. Go and know that something changed. When
your ears are ring, well, when your ears are ringing,
something is changing in your life.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
It's the you know, it's good night.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
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(01:10:44):
Check it out Stories from a Fracture of Mind. The
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Appreciate the call Robert. What do you guys think does
that geist a living entity or not? And how do
we hack it, how do we influence it enough to
turn the tide the future? Seven two nine one zero
three seven James, welcome back, Discord is fixed. How you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
Yeah, I'm sorry to have to try three times. I
don't like doing that. But this topic, to me is
really amazing. A great call from Robert, great calls from everyone.
I do agree with THEO regarding niche topics, regarding everyone
sort of finding their interests, and those interests you have

(01:11:28):
to look for content on them about them, are from them,
and it's not just everywhere anymore. Like we were talking
about TV and everything and how you know, we used
to be bored waiting for the show we wanted to watch,
And I put in the chat earlier, Yeah, we used
to be bored waiting for the show that we wanted
to see while we're watching other shows. But then if

(01:11:50):
we missed the show we wanted to see, it was
terrible because we had no idea when we get to
see that show.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Yeah, yeah, that the next run maybe ten years from now.
Type of thing. That's so crazy. Yeah, so just really
wild ideas here.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
I do wonder. I also mentioned in the chat, it's
funny talking about comic books and all that kind of
stuff Marvel is putting out. I'm not sure if it's
already out or it's going to be out. There is
a comic book series now that is going to be
called Wolverines with an S and Deadpools with an S.

(01:12:28):
So they're going to do it looks like what they
did with Spider Man, and to the point where we
have not just two or three or four or five
versions of each character, which we already have in Marvel.
As far as I've heard, it's going to be who
knows how many, and it's just and I do agree that,

(01:12:50):
you know, as far as the company is following the money,
that's what they're doing. They're not following not focusing on
what would be the most interesting brand news story. Uh
The other thing about that I've noticed and and other

(01:13:11):
people who read comics have notice this too. Characters keep
on dying and coming back, dying and coming back. They've
been doing this for decades. And uh so, anyway, that's
when I ran on on comic books.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
I guess it's an old now it's an old soap
opera trick, James, Like, you kill one of the bad
guys the characters and then you know next season, they
come back at the end of the season and as
a cliffhanger, like, oh this person is still alive. It's
it's an old trope. It's ridiculous. I mean, here we
are again. And I want to call me two on
that which you said the deadpools plural. Oh you add

(01:13:51):
an s the high creativity. Here we go, how stupid?

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Yeah, two letters to two names, a letter of each name.
Oh wow, that's that's a amazing no hint at what
the comic is going to actually be about other than
the characters. It's not like an event title where it's
you know, suggesting something now anyway, But yeah, my favorite
example too. And I'll just fell out this and then

(01:14:16):
if there's time, i'll talk more later. But I used
to collect the reference books that Marvel would put out
for their comics, which that is a thing. And I
remember at the time there was this big deal about
Captain America dying in the comics, and I got this
book and had this big two page spread on the
whole death of Captain America that like the day after,

(01:14:39):
two days after I got the book, I was looking
on the line he didn't die. So you have this
huge spread in this book, which is a permanent record
in a way, but it doesn't even matter anymore because
he's already back. So but anyway, I have other stuff
just regarding sort of similarities between the Zeitgeist and the

(01:15:00):
way the other or the way the paranormal acts or
whatever is out there that that causes an almost events
to happen. They seem very similar and I think they
interact as well, and that it could be a whole
other maybe topic for later on if there's time, and
I'm happy to sit in it as well, if that's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Yeah, definitely, now that you've untapped from the Zeitgeist. Whatever
that crap was going on with your audio, that was nuts. Man.
If you if you get a chance to go back
and listen to it, it is wild. You were definitely
tuned into something otherworldly, James. But yeah, we got we
do have a couple of minutes left, and I think
all this stuff is important to kind of look back on.
As I say, right what we're talking about what it

(01:15:38):
means to be a human in twenty twenty five, but
you know, you rewind twenty years of your past and
think about how quickly and how massively things have already changed,
and once again, fast forward twenty more years, with things
kind of fractalizing and fracturing as they are, we're in
for something and if we don't think about it and
talk about it now, it's going to swing by and
scoop us up and we're we're gonna turned into I

(01:16:01):
don't know, like I don't even know what that looks like.
I don't think anybody does just yet. But here we
go strap in, like like always say, buckle up, guys,
because that particular thing is upon us, and how do
we combat it without knowing even what it means in
the next five years.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
Yeah, it's it is really wild and funny enough. That
sound that you were hearing the way people described it,
it's the same sound that was happening for you in
the very beginning before you were able.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
To some how fix things.

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
So it wasn't just me.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
It was happening just discord issues for certain people apparently. So,
but yeah, I do wonder about things happening. This makes
me think of all the different alien sightings and things
people reported over the years before books or movies came
out with the aliens that look like what people described,

(01:16:56):
And I wonder if that's a part of the zeitgeist,
if it can travel see time in a way and
maybe intermix with the other, whatever the other is or not.
And if not, then how do we explain that?

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Yeah, and how do we explain how it's changing? It's
all this stuff is wild, and that's why it's important
once again to consider it before it catches up, sneaks
up on us and then just takes us away to
someplace we don't want to go. And that just means
a mind's eye space, It means, you know, the way
we look at the world. Identity, as I always talk
about it, it's a hey, it's an identity is a
hell of a thing, right And as I've always said too,

(01:17:32):
if if, if somebody is able to tell you who
you are, they own you. So be very careful about
who you give your identity over to. Very important, very important,
very important, especially when everything is changing so quickly, and
are the identity of our friend groups are becoming digital.

(01:17:54):
Not like you guys, not us, we're organic people at
this point, I mean actual large language models that you
give a name to. Oh Jimmy, how's your morning? Oh Hi, Mike,
My morning's great. How's yours? Yeah, world's changing fast. Let
me hear your thoughts on this. We're hacking the zeit
guys tonight, guiding digital synchronicity.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Is it real?

Speaker 17 (01:18:16):
Is it not?

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Is it possible to quantify it? And what does it mean?

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
Seven?

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Or two nine seven? One zero three seven? Be right back.
We got more from James Derek the knight Stalker Jen
in Missouri, and your calls as well. Don't go anywhere,
be right back, Welcome back to Trouble Mind. Is I'm

(01:18:48):
your host, Michael Strange, YadA, YadA, blah blah blah, all
the places, all the things. Tonight we're talking hacking the
zeit guys. Now, of course, how do you quantify that?
And is it possible?

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Look, it's been done in the past, I said, and
I don't think people even recognize they're doing it or
what's happening with it. However, it certainly seems to be
one of those things that is the holy grail of
the attention span, not just the attention span of the
individual like sort of their TikTok attention span like we
always talk about, but the intention span of culture itself. Now,

(01:19:19):
if you can lock that in and control that and
even manipulate it for what's to come next. That is power.
That is massive power. And clearly this has been tinkered with,
medled with in recent times with algorithms and Facebook and
all kinds of other things. I want to point this
out real quick too, before Derek comes on. Hang tight
just a second, Derek. Spotify has an AI music problem,

(01:19:40):
but bots love it, So they're removing human artists. They're
playing AI music that they generate themselves. By and large,
this is what they're being accused of, and then taking
all the royalties and cutting out the human artists by
making their algorithm funnel recommended music to write their AI counterparts.

(01:20:01):
But then, of course, recently are the AI creations and
recently Daily Mayl reported this nineteen days ago, the AI
band that's fooled millions. Controversy over fake indie group Velvet
Sundown goes into overdrive. So why is Spotify peddling their music?
M Remember if only somebody us we're talking about this

(01:20:23):
exact thing like six months ago, nine months ago, a
year ago. It's here. And this is very orwelling in
the sense that you could whitewash an entire generation of
music with this nonsense controlling the zeitgeist. Indeed, there are ways,
and they are trying it like hell, because it is power,
it is money, and it is everything humans have ever

(01:20:45):
wanted in terms of control. Seven two one zero three
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the night.

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
Yeah, what's sorry my book?

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
No, my bad, terrible fade on my part. We uh,
we're usually more in sync than that, but that was
my bad. You can't you can't hit the button to
kill it and not faded anyway. Welcome to the joint.
How you doing tonight? This is right down in your alley?
What do you know about hacking the like? Guys, my friend,
Welcome to the joint and it's all yours. Go ahead.

Speaker 6 (01:21:17):
Yeah, speaking of sinks, a lot of thinks tonight. I
can talk about this for hours, so just try to
make it be as on topic as I possibly can.
First to what THEO was talking about, about, how like
the eighties and nineties and today and today last thing
so long, like there's been wrecking my mind for for
so long. I mean, it's probably a whole other show,
and so I won't really get into it, just just

(01:21:39):
real quick, Like I think basically that could be mckennon's
time wave zero, that kind of the flow of time
has stopped flowing like a river and now it's kind
of bread out like a delta and kind of almost
kind of a fallow ocean. So rather than somebody who
buys an album in the eighties listening to these twelve
to twenty songs eight hundred times and having to listen
to the entire thing because like it's you can't even

(01:22:01):
choose your track list, you really dive deep.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
You like you go deep with that, then you're deep
with you.

Speaker 6 (01:22:06):
You're different, your different passions now even sense like basically
a sense like like lime wire and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Now you can go very shallow, you can kind of pick.
You can just go like rudimentary.

Speaker 6 (01:22:19):
You can kind of do like the top forty of
now all history kind of and picked kind of if
you have somebody to put your put your top ten
favorite songs, they don't need to be necessarily from there's
like anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
It could be from from anywhere.

Speaker 6 (01:22:29):
So kind of mckennon's time ways zero, that the flow
of time is kind of fanned out and now it's
it's no longer flowing. It's just an ocean that we
can navigate and at will. Kind of I'm kind of
catch my breath, but paid a ton.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Yeah, well, that the Terrence McKenna stuff, and that again
the as as we talk about that retro causal effect
of this as maybe this is what this has always been,
that maximum novelty effect when everything is so sort of
scattered and open that the human connection becomes a human
connection itself, or maybe we're not even sort of baked
into that idea anymore like it it becomes because again

(01:23:03):
we're still struggling with what a transhumanist future looks like
in terms of defining human So maybe we're not even
part of that equation in terms of that retro causal
aspect and what the future wants from us. And we
talked about this a little bit in the last show
when you call it in as well, sort of the
maybe the guy a hypothesis is and Guya herself is
trying to create a particular future and lead us to it.

(01:23:28):
Maybe this is part of that, which, by the way,
that idea spawned this as well as anyway, you know,
there we go, synchronicity is on top of each other
kind of chasing and chasing each other's tail all the time.
But I mean, yeah, it's a hell of an idea.
But we don't have to go back to that. But
I wanted to point out that it's an interesting concept
in terms of that time wave zero bit go ahead.

Speaker 6 (01:23:44):
Yeah, I think it all ties in, and I think
it could be trying to follow my notes, you're talking
about what controlling the synchronicity is.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
Is there some kind of gester and these are going
to be kind of.

Speaker 6 (01:23:54):
Like out of order, be concise, but you're talking about
the synchronicity, Jester kind there were some kind of trickster
that's pulling the strings at all these things. And then
you mentioned the Coldplay meme that went around instantly, and
instantly it was getting like one thing AI is done.
The AI r especially has boosted even the speed of
memes now, so now you can get like hours afterwards,

(01:24:15):
you can get alien and prettor doing the same, like
doing that hugging thing or like every you mean, like
a h the Green Ranger and the Pink Ranger famous couple,
so that they did the red Ranger sneaking with the
pink the Pink Ranger and stuff it and anything you
could possibly think of was made within like six hours
of the thing because AI can have uh sped everything
up so much. There were a major quickening for sure.

(01:24:37):
But as far as the trickster, they the CEO and
the and the hr lady or whatever the couple they
were put on leave bapsence and now the acting CEO
and if you saw this is Gwyneth Paltrow, the lead
singer of cole Play's ex wife.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
It tucking weird jest. I mean, that's like, what the hell?
What the hell is that? How did that? How did
that happen? You know, I haven't seen anything thinks about
this for just I didn't see what was going on here.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
What I what I did see regarding that is that
they're about to highre Gwyneth as a PR consultant now
or something like. So, I don't know, I don't even
know what to make of that, to how to untangle that,
but man, okay, all right, that's how to.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Inject there for sure. Yeah. So with the synchromaticism, I
love it.

Speaker 6 (01:25:26):
I'm fascinated by it kind of the way that I
like the example the kind of switch for me was
Krys Noles, This is like in twenty seventeen, maybe early
twenty eighteen, was you meant like kind of explaining what
synchromaticism is on higher side, and he said, one example,
a muamua came out of Vega, and then Vegas shooting happened,

(01:25:50):
and then the Las Vegas Knights were in the Stanley
Cup finals, all within a few months of each other.
That there was the sky matches, the matches kind of
what's happening in is I guys matches, weird events, matches
like So that's my entry level, like my endpoint into synchronicities.
But the longer I've been around these syncrole people and stuff,
I think more so like I don't really incorporate astrology

(01:26:12):
that much into my synchronicity, which I think is a
huge part of it if you would ask like Chris
or person he learned to prom and stuff. So I'm
trying to think of a name for what my branch
of syn synchromaticism is. But I think it's focused specifically
on the zeitgeist aspect kind of the pulse of the
people and stuff, and I can my ty have of
talent of performing syncs when given the information. But the

(01:26:33):
information that I'm actively searching out and trying to like
crunch myself is the zeitgeist, which I think is not
baked into synchronicity on its face part of it, but
it's not like kind of my whole thing about it.
So maybe we can brandstone a name for what that
could be called. But I feel like we both do
that a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
We're pretty pretty good at it. But I find it
just endlessly fascinating. No more time, You're good.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
I love that. And even even within those sink storms,
you know, we've talked about this in the past, like
there there are branches of these, and there are personal
versions of these, and there are you know again they're
all that you may be cultural versions of these. Maybe
there's something happening. You know, let's say South Africa right now,
for instance, that's that's a massive meme culture. Uh, some
massive synchronicity storm that kind of just blows over and

(01:27:21):
we'll never know about just because it's so far away
and so so sort of fractured from from modern media.
And you know the quote West, so I mean there's
all that stuff too, Like we we can only do
our best with as much data as we can get,
but I can only imagine in the larger sense, like
the granular data of the zeitgeist itself the world over. Man,
I'll bet you that that's the matrix. That's that green

(01:27:42):
rain coming down right that you can't decode unless there's
some sort of wizard or whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:27:46):
Yeah, I mean, that's kind of what like the sinks
have kind of transformed for like into for me kind
of an example like Goblin mode. Most people like my
mom would have had no idea what goblin mode is.
Most people like didn't hear that it was the word
of the year, Like what's the dictionary A Roxford are
one of those things like muscle streeting out.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
If you're online, you definitely know what goblin mode is.

Speaker 6 (01:28:07):
But then we had those like things like the shows
on it and everything, and it's fund that like the
Trail of Sinks, which is like there was the Goblin
stuff in the military. There was Goblin stuff like there's
movies coming out, there's Goblin paranormal sightings, there was Goblin
like there's different themed things that had no tie to
the Goblin mode the to why like Goblin mode became
a meme, but different different pieces of like separate, unconnected

(01:28:31):
pieces of the zeitgeist.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
We're all also talking about goblins.

Speaker 6 (01:28:34):
So I think a new form of synchronicity is to
connect these disjointed kind of silo it off because there
is no more monoculture talking at this right now. But
just like culture changing, the thing we're kind of like chasing.
I'm especially chasing is the end of they call it monoculture,
like where everyone's watching the same thing. There's three channels,
there's same ten movies playing all year long. There's just

(01:28:55):
like there's only a few bands of stuff. But just
now you're kind of drowning in a see of content.
There's too much stuff to possibly consume everything like pretty
much sports.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
It's one of the last monoculture things. But even that's joindling.

Speaker 6 (01:29:10):
People like care about the NBA, but they don't watch
the NBA in the same way that they follow highlights
and everything. It's it's transforming, but politics it's become a
major It's one of the last water cool of things.
It's one of the last touchstone things. We've talked before.
But I think I think part of this analysis paralysis
or part of this kind of slow degrading of culture

(01:29:30):
or something like that that people are noticing.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
It's kind of that like saying that everything sucks now.

Speaker 6 (01:29:36):
I think that's kind of a new like part of
the monoculture or one of the last pieces of it,
is to say that everything sucks. On one breath, it's
impossible to see everything. Most people say I'm checking out
and everything, but in the same breath they say everything
sucks too, you know, so part of like a new
like rather than saying, oh, just to watch the new
Indiana Jones movie last night or og see t now,

(01:29:59):
it's like, hey, what are you watching?

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
He seeing this?

Speaker 6 (01:30:02):
Nah, everything sucks. Disney sucks like she's a I could
person suck NFL like. Part of this connective tissue in
conversations has become a rejection of culture rather than an
embrace of it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
Kind of really yeah, no exactly, and we're like I said,
there's a reckoning to this and what that looks like
and how we're going to deal with that again, we
see it. We're you know, we're we're sort of toes
in the ocean when it comes to that zeitgeist and
how it's changing so quickly, that acceleration. I'm always talking
about that quickening. But what it looks like and how
we handle this, like, I don't know, because it is,

(01:30:34):
it is going to fracture us. Like you said, if
the only water cooler talk is politics, and it is
the most binary, disruptive, just a grotesque thing that has
been rolled out in the last twenty years conceptually, just
how everything has just been you know, us be them
constantly continually. It's not new, it's just amplified now. And
if that's the only acceptable discourse, is just leading us

(01:30:57):
to say, well, you know, everything sucks and I hate
you And then how did you say And then do
you say back, yes, yes, Mike, everything sucks that I
hate you too. I mean, is this where we're headed? No, stop,
let's not do that.

Speaker 6 (01:31:08):
It's like a rejection of consensus reality. It's like a
rejection of the culture and embrace of like, bye, by
saying everything sucks, you're saying that's kind of what we're
I mean, I'm putting this interpretation on it. But by
saying everything sucks, Hollywood sucks, Disney sucks. Yeah, they make
crap obviously, But like I think part of it is
to say I'm smart because I won't buy into this

(01:31:29):
like culture is it's mindless. So by rejecting it, I'm
not mindless or like I get a coffin scene pro Yeah,
and that like reject rejecting posts and rejecting politics. I
mean somehow you're smart because you're not duped by these
people whatever that somehow like a rejection of culture has
become part of the new culture or just as fine

(01:31:50):
fascinating would.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:31:52):
So monoculture they call it is where everyone's watching the
standing and I think part of this part we're chasing.
We're chasing this like seventies, eighties, nineties. Monoculture then probably
never existed, didn't never, Like it never existed in human
history when people were living in their own arms and stuff.
There wasn't a connective pulp culture like this. And before Jaws,
there was no blockbuster And it was kind of another
example of the guys. Did Steven Spielberg and George Lucas

(01:32:15):
ruined Hollywood by making Jaws and Star Wars and Indiana
Jones and stuff like? Did it create something like something
where Hollywood figured out how much money they can possibly make?
Before there was no mass rollouts of movies, so a
movie would well, like like a movie would would roll out.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
In different cities and stuff, and people would it would
be able for a.

Speaker 6 (01:32:34):
Year, and it would it wouldn't have this massive roll
up that had Jaws was the first time it was happening,
But like, did that create it?

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
Or was it bubbling up the Exorcist?

Speaker 6 (01:32:42):
They were lining up outside like Aemingly the culture was
ready to have these huge moments and everybody's talking about
it and everybody's liking it. And I watched like a
news clips from Nightmare or like an anniversary of Nightmare
on Elm Street three today or whatever, and a bunch
of clips from different news badcasts and interview, Oh, this.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
New movie is number one of the box office, number
one in the box office, and then ran number three.

Speaker 6 (01:33:04):
Three is not a good movie. It's just a trash
eighties movie or whatever. But the zeitgeist, it's just like
the conversation around it was have you seen this? It's
look at the numbers on this go check it out,
and people go, oh yeah, let me go check it out.
And there's no inc in that conversation talking about how
everything bad. It is like everything bad, everything is and
oh you like that, or I'm not even gonna watch that,
or it just heavy stych, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
Just oh that was cool, that was cool.

Speaker 6 (01:33:24):
Everything's cool, and we're all watching the same medium, which
is television. It was very limited options, Like we're chasing
a dragon that has only thirty years of human history
to it, and we kind of had this weird like
post that nothing everything sucks, Nothing's good, Matrix Dike, everything

(01:33:46):
is bad after nineteen ninety nine type of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
I'm my felf.

Speaker 6 (01:33:49):
I'm doing it like I'm watching stuff based on what's
coming out to try to be part of a greater
conversation or like I'll say, oh, anniversary of this movie
came out ten years ago or fifteen years ago, I'll
watch that as a way to kind of have these
life wraps in this ocean of content and this there's
no monoculture icebergs to kind of for, there's no monuculture islands,
there's no like islands to land on.

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
You're just kind of swimming out like by yourself.

Speaker 6 (01:34:14):
So I would like I listened to the like we
all have unlimited options with music, But when I'm driving
to work or something like that, I'll listen to the
radio because I want to feel connected to other people
who are listening to the same thing at the same time.
And then so why I don't getch cable for streamings
because something I want I'm like facing some kind of
island in this digital ocean or this ethereal content ocean

(01:34:34):
and stuff. I think that's part of part of why
people watch streamers. That's one thing that's kind of like
come up since what Deo was talking about and like
to uh, I've noticed that too, like twenty twelve might
have been that time, this time way of zero time
we're talking about, but streamers has popped up. And my
thoughts like, as as a nineties kid, you if you're

(01:34:56):
not on the controller playing in the video game, you're
you're upset and you're waiting to play. But now there's
a whole like the biggest celebrities are streamers, Like they
make NBA money, they mke Lebron James money, the top
streamers of them because people are just watching them play
or you're just watching them talk. And it's I think
part of it is you're watching them with other people.
They're like trying to recreate some sort of community. They're

(01:35:16):
trying to recreate some kind of island life wrapped in
this digital ocean or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
You can hear me heart bring it up on that before.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
I keep a loud and clear a lot of clear. Yeah,
And so I think you're right there. But there's another
aspect of it too. It is that camaraderie aspect of
because I think, and look, correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm not a you know, a big Twitch person because
watching somebody play video game and you know, kind of
do mediocre commentary is not my game obviously bore me

(01:35:47):
to tears. But I would I would imagine you're playing
your game right while they're playing their game, and so
you kind of have them on kind of like the
radio in the old days, Like you're describing that sort
of island of connection, and even if you're directly locked
in or watching, the chat goes nuts and it's a
it's all the stuff, but you're you're you're part of
something while you're playing your video game. That's how I

(01:36:08):
see that as But again, maybe I'm wrong because I
haven't literally been on Twitch and I can't even tell
you we're streaming on Twitch. Shout out Twitch out there,
shout out syl Vain. He's always on Twitch. But I mean,
Twitch is a culture for sure. It's bizarre. It's it's
a bizarre thing to me. I don't know. I can't
even quantify it in my my fifty year old mind.
But what can you do?

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
Yeah, no, exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:36:28):
I was just gonna try to riddle through the wish
too much now, But just to the getting instructions or
are these are there downloads? I think potentially dreams are
downloads obviously, but I think like your dreams can be
in instructions, could like a part of the zeitgeist, could
be part of our collective dream, like the American dream
or the American spirit or different things like that. Can

(01:36:49):
be some type of like collective dream or like manifestation
that we're trying to move towards. But also like I
think it could be downloads. And I've ever heard that, uh,
that Dennis the Menace was created on the same day
in America and in the US. This is from the
odd case of Dennis the Menace. Nineteen fifty one must
had a very bad year to be named Dennis. The

(01:37:10):
reason is because on March twelfth of that year, two
separate comics entitled Dennis the Menace went on sale one
in the UK, one in the US. Note the US
version was dated March fifteenth, but actually went on sale
March twelfth, so too across the ocean from each other,
seemingly disconnected, two different comic artists with the whole process
of thinking of it, drying it, writing it, getting ready
to be published, and came out on the same day

(01:37:32):
in fifty one. There wasn't an incident or anything like that,
Like what was that? Just two people got the same download.
It was like Dennis the Mintis was ready to be born.
In zechkeist, you know testing sorry, you're good, you're good
and sorry. And the definition of zeigeist is the defining spirit,
a mood of a particular period in history that's known

(01:37:53):
by the ideas and beliefs. The etymology is the German
words for like is time and geist the spirit the spirit?
Are we possessed by something we like forming some type
of spirit with our collective thoughts like it? Like potentially
that what the AI is just all of our data
forming some weird, homunciless spirit thing that's like some totem

(01:38:13):
of the time that we're living in, or is there
invisible spirit, and we're kind of grafting onto it. We're
kind of like thimatics. But there's a pulse, there's a
vibration underneath the speaker as pumping, and then as the
speaker of bumping the sand, brains of sand align themselves
into a pattern. And is the zeitgeist that sound that
creates the pattern? And is humanity the things we do,

(01:38:34):
our actions like us dancing into that shape and forming
the shape, and then the shape is the collective zeitgeist.
The definition of culture. Culture includes languages, customs, and beliefs,
and roles and relationships. But in medicine, culture all to
refer to the growth of microorganisms and bacteria, yeast, human plant,
animal cells in a laboratory like a like when you
get a throw culture and everything it's to growth.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
What is it speeding right through it? But to the
what you're talking about the beginning, are.

Speaker 6 (01:39:00):
We growing something more invisible for potentially the spirit of
the time? Are we grow like are we like, yeah,
I don't know, just like a three D printer in
the physical reality of the spirit that's not in manifested
form into the DC character And is it like moving
like astrology? Like are we moving the wheel of the

(01:39:23):
zeitgeist or are there seasons of the zeitgeist like in
their different time periods, different years, different errors and epochs
and stuff. We're more inclined to act a certain way
because it's like astrology, there's like a there's like a
we're really deserve the like when creating the ocean of
the zeitgist, we're surfing the zeitgeist to an event. Jenny

(01:39:43):
Sparks of the DC character described as the spirit of
the twenty first or the twentieth century. Have they been
born at the beginning and later dying at the end
of time or at the end of the century. Throughout
her time, she has shown to have influenced many of
the most significant individuals.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
Who shape that century, both positively and negatively.

Speaker 6 (01:39:58):
Negatively, she's just picked it as a super official hedonist,
having a strong underlying sense of morality and her powers
like electricity just tapping into like the tesla early nineteen
like early twentieth centuries a century like that type of technology.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
But also she's got a fourst.

Speaker 6 (01:40:12):
Gump character who all throughout her life to different events,
she's influencing the course of time. So she's an actual
figure who's creating that, like shaping the zeitgeist with her actions,
But could there be a metaphysical spirit that's possessing the
zeitgeist so to speak. The tennis the menace thing packing
the zeitgeist. Uh, advertising is a huge one. The Madman's

(01:40:36):
type type of stuff, meme magic, I think is a
major one, like sigil magic on the collective brain. That's
all the pepe kech stuff he was on My major thing.
I think this part of the richest personal in the world.
Just tweeting out payoffs, meme gods and it's meme magic
and living the meme and all this type of stuff
you can gift the zeitgeist, like sigil magic is figil
magical and the collective brain. The Benage has written Dune

(01:40:58):
try to do this with like whisper campaign means plans
over generations, and they do this by taking substances so
they can see outside of time, to see probabilities, to
see where we're moving collectively, to try to make little tweaks,
little changes, little like in the rudder of the ship,
so that like imperceptible changes so the captain of the
ship doesn't real which is out all of us don't

(01:41:19):
realize that anybody turned the wheel, but they know that
one hundred miles down the line that the.

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
Ship will be way, way, way off course, but it'll
be where.

Speaker 6 (01:41:27):
They want it to be because they can kind of
they're peering up to the time using drugs are tasing probability.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
I think the a I can probably do this now.

Speaker 6 (01:41:33):
I think that might be the vetting, chronovisor and all
those type of things, So hacking it that way.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
I think Hollywood the magic of the Holly Tree.

Speaker 6 (01:41:41):
I think that's that's like we talked about predictive programming stuff,
but I think they're shaping reality, tapping the zeitgeist, like
making making making memes like Premier in the Neet. I
was thinking, I was walking on a show that had
like it was like an eighties party, and all the
different people were dressed up the different eighties charac than stuff.
I was saying, what would what would a to Do's point,

(01:42:02):
what would a twenty fifteen party look like? Or what
would even like a two thousand and eight character, I
mean like be like, would we have celebrities like that
in the same way maybe you might have like a
Kanye or like a Taylor swift or maybe even like
a like an arrowl a vine, like people that represent
different types of styles and stuff, like a fall up
boy type of thing. But in the way that everybody

(01:42:23):
in the eighties party was dressing as a celebrity, and
then each celebrity represented a whole different demographic of people
who were trying to dress like that celebrity, Like Madonna
had a whole bunch of underlings that looked like Madonna,
or flock a Seagull or or Billy Idol or whatever
had people that dressed like him. So by dressing like
the celebrity, you represent a whole swath of the of
the zeitgeist, whereas now our celebrities are not representative of that.

(01:42:47):
I mean, you can say Kim Kardashian and the Jenners
and stuff. So all these girls are trying to look
like her or whatever. But kind of beside that, there
is no like to be fashionable again, it's to be
almost a rejection of culture. Weird, the odds and ends
finding in the bottom of your closet type of thing.
You're rejecting those gus to a certain extent. That's fascinating that, like,

(01:43:08):
I don't know, I'm trying to want to get through
all those notes.

Speaker 1 (01:43:10):
But now you good makes sense?

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And back in the day too, let's say,
you know, let's say late early early nineties, it was
kind of like it wasn't sort of it was certainly
the rejection of culture, but it became it became the
culture itself.

Speaker 6 (01:43:25):
And you know, it was a rejecting of selling out.
It was a rejection of you don't sell out. Don't
sell out. Don't It's the worst possible thing in the
world was selling out. That's like reality bites, Nirvana hated
being popular, all those type of things. Fast forward today,
where pig talkers are regular people on TikTok are pretending
to be influences, pretending to have sponsored content because it's
cool to sell yourself to it's cool to sell out.

(01:43:47):
So people are lying, lying, saying that their videos have
ads just because they can get clout whatever. And it's fascinating.
And that's probably the low erosion of culture is because
mom as got us handles around it.

Speaker 16 (01:44:01):
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Speaker 7 (01:46:04):
Okay?

Speaker 11 (01:46:04):
So yeah, I've been thinking about this whole thing with
how power really works, you know, like there's this pattern
that keeps showing up throughout history that nobody really talks
about openly. So you've got these forces, you know, knowledge, technology,
medication systems. They're supposed to help humanity, right, but somehow

(01:46:26):
they always end up getting captured by these small groups.
He used them to control everyone else instead. And I
think that I figure out why this keeps happening. It's
it's actually this like ancient pattern that goes back to
stories like the King of Solomon and the whole Grimwire tradition.

(01:46:46):
The story, the story goes that Solomon figured out how
to bind these cosmic intelligences like angels or whatever you
want to call them, and force them to serve his
personal agenda and instead of their original purpose. You know,
he literally performed rituals to capture and compel beings that

(01:47:08):
were meant to guide and elevate humanity. And the crazy
part about it is the moment you bind like an
angel or a personal power, it becomes a demon. Essentially,
like anytime you try to control something like that, it's
not because the entity itself changed, but because you corrupted
the relationship with it. You know, if taking something that's

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meant to serve collective wisdom and turn it into a
tool of domination. And that's exactly what's happening now with technology.
Like if you take AI, it could be this incredible
tool for demacat for education and creativity, but instead it's
being designed to harvest our attention and modify behavior, and.

Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
It's the complete opposite purpose.

Speaker 11 (01:48:00):
It's like modern tech leaders are performing Solomon's binding rituals
on a massive scale. The inequality we see it's not
just about money, it's about asymmetric access to these consciousness
manipulation tools. Some people know how to perform these bindings
and operations on a certain system and turn them into

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extraction mechanisms. So, I mean, it's hard to imagine. But
what really gets me about this is how this creates
the same feedback loop basically discovered in all of the
ancient texts we read about every successful binding of those
angelic intelligences, it turns them into something that right now,

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like everybody can even think about it and they think
of what demons are and they don't imagine that initially
they didn't start out that way that, but humanity turned
them into that through this through basically like evil magicians
and things like that through weaving the pattern to what

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they needed it to be, and the power naturally concentrates
in the hands of whoever is using it, and they
know how to make it beneficial to them. But what
it ends up becoming is like elevant force free humanity.
It's it's the same pattern, you know, turning angels into demons,

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and the same thing with like how you would use AI.
But basically the forces that control everything make good use
of that to their own best outcome, and they don't
care about the price of it, and it could be
on a huge scale to the point of like a
for example, on the Gaayisia. You know, there's seventy two

(01:49:51):
angels in the Gaaytia, and it talks about that those
are the names like the letters of the name of God.
And you look at the idea that you know, if
they're essentially trying to come gods themselves, and if Solomon
in his practice, if he mastered each one of those,
and if they were not demons actually, but they were

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the angelic forces, and that was used in a way
if you follow what I mean, like you could conquer
the whole idea of what reality really means. It's literally
the same pattern.

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
Yeah, I do follow it. And you know what's striking
about that is that in the Gaatia again we're talking
Solomon and seventy two entities, right, and they built a
temple of Solomon, that whole bit. But the wild part
about it is, in this scenario, we are those entities.
We are the demons, or we are the angels or
whatever those are, and we are being manipulated by there

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like this massive tool. You're describing this, this asymmetrical tool
that is really conquering our minds at scale. And so
there there's so many, so many wild parts about this,
including of course I don't know if you saw this recently.
Sam Altman was in an interview the last forty eight
hours and he was talking about the legal process. I'm saying, look,
if you talk to your chat GPT, like at your

(01:51:11):
friend or whatever, and you're kind of giving it secret
details of your life, if we get a subpoena, we
have to hand that information over to some court. So
now they're talking about you know, chat GBT wants legal
rights and it's you know, sort of like spouse immunity
or you know, attorney client privilege, this type of stuff.
But I mean, like that level of information drawn from

(01:51:33):
us of our deepest, darkest secrets, like flowing into the
space of a technocrat, especially one that's as shady as
Sam Altman. Yeah, I said it. Well, I tell you what,
STRAP in the future is about to get weird.

Speaker 11 (01:51:48):
I think it's fair that it should be subpoena and
information and the same way as a chat ram or
anything else, anything that a person has nothing to unless
they are doing something that it might be a contradictory
to the law, and so it should be able to

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be examined by the courts if the courts are just
as we still believe that they are just. So, I
think that if individuals are relying so fervently upon the
confidentiality of using AI as a venting system, that should
be available. And I know that it must be at

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some level, I mean according to the jurisdiction of the courts.
So depending upon the crime and how severe it might be. Yes,
absolutely it would be. You'd be able to subpoenn other
system in their computer systems, and it should be allowable
in court. And I think that that's a new thing
about that we would be looking at. I think that

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that's already a given it'd be considered something like a
MEMOIRIR or a private diary.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
Yeah, which again should should be I don't know, JA,
We're coming into some weird spaces here, because suddenly chat
GPT is going to be not just your therapist, it's
going to be your teacher. It's going to be like
all these different things that something in the past, an
entity of the past, would not have full access to.
And I think that's why we're as usual. The things

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we talk about is ideas at scale, and that actual
idea at scale is your mind and your mind space
sort of just kind of being open to anybody who
wants to subpoena it and you know, do discovery, which
is terrifying exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
So I guess we could look at that in the future.

Speaker 11 (01:53:39):
I think that currently, I mean, one of the biggest
problems that we're facing is like looking at the very
basis of I mean, I agree with everything you just
said that that's something that we're going to have to
consider it, but I think that it's it's a given
that that would be available, of course, but you know
off your private systems that they are, you know, collected

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under church warrant.

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
But I think that.

Speaker 11 (01:54:06):
The systems we're dealing with of why are we living
in a world like this? It's not just our legal
it's not our legal system that has caused the scenario.
The legal system is an offshoot of it. When we're
looking at the inappropriate dispensation of they have basically provisions

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in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:54:28):
And I think that.

Speaker 11 (01:54:32):
Something else has already hacked the zeitgeist way before you know,
the modern times. And if you look, for example, the
Jeffrey Epstein case, it's currently going on. He was a
partner at bear Stearns. He was as part of the
two thousand and eight crash. Now he was a partner
back in nineteen eighty one, and I think it's really significant.

(01:54:52):
He was a part of the financial crisis. And that's
significant because it's not just about the flight logs of
low leads, but it's got a lot more to do
with the financial systems and how much was sacrificed financially
out of the American people in that case, for example.
So you have a lot of that sort of thing

(01:55:12):
going on. There's one handshaking over here, but there's a
truth that's actually underneath all of that. So in that instance,
she is similar to that that they tell you where
to look, and you do unless you're paying attention.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
Which is why we should pay attention. And why would
you talk about these ideas as bizarre and weird and
fractal as they might seem. Sometimes it's important to recognize
what's coming, and this is certainly coming.

Speaker 1 (01:55:41):
Absolutely. Yeah, great show, Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
I appreciate the cole. If you're done, thank you so
much for being part of this. That's Jenny Missouri. You
know you love her, been a good friend for a
long time. Go check out her channel Troubledminds dot org,
forward slash friends. Scroll down just a little bit. It's alphabetical,
as you would know, and as you should know if
you're listening to me out and follow Jennifer right there,
and yep, it's under j alphabetically, wouldn't you know? It's

(01:56:06):
go follow her YouTube channel and yeah, there's a lot
there and of course a lot to consider as this
becomes a thing. And like I said, the fractal idea
of a companion, okay, which is what this is going
to be. And here's what I want want to say
to jen Two, if you're still listening, imagine how much
information Rosie the robot knew about the Jetsons. Imagine because
she was therapist, right, she was basically the nanny for

(01:56:31):
the children. She was right, the housekeeper, she was right
presumably the guard dog of the house itself.

Speaker 5 (01:56:38):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:56:38):
I mean, there's so much going on with that and
that level of invasive, fractal, invasive of our mind space
that guys, be careful what you tell these large language models.
And here's the other terrifying part about that when I
bring that up, when you talk about okay, you know,

(01:56:58):
does it completely invalidate anything I'll ever think in my
life Because if you guys saw my chat GPT history,
by the way, you would be horrified. Actually not because
I actually talk about it directly. So all the weirdness
that comes out of me as part of these brainstorms
and sessions and just to be more productive, again, these
are my ideas that I put in and use a

(01:57:19):
productivity tool to kind of draw out additional aspects of
and talk to you guys about. And so of course
there's going to be some dead ends. There's going to
be some other weird stuff that doesn't make any sense.
But I mean I may be on a list or
something just because of all the wild stuff I'm pumping
into this thing, or maybe not. I don't know. Maybe
I'm flattering myself, but I mean, I'm sure I'm on

(01:57:39):
some list somewhere. But you get the idea. It's a
weird space we're moving into because of that fractalization of
the invasive brain, and that's where we sit. That's what's
happening right now. And like I said, just be very
careful about the information you put into this thing because
it could be used against you in a court of law. Yeah. Yeah,
I mean, you know, I don't I'm not expecting to

(01:58:01):
get sued. I hope none of you guys are expecting
to get sued anytime soon or or you know, uh
pinched or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:58:09):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:58:10):
But you get the meaning. There's a problem here. We
got a problem. If we're not thinking about it, we're
not doing we can't conceptualize how to change it. I
don't know. It's it's wild to consider all this And
we're talking the zeitgeist tonight, not just in terms of
as I'm calling it, hacking the zeitgeist guiding this digital synchronicity,
but then again, how this fits into the larger context

(01:58:32):
of AI as usual. Look AI is is the is
becoming the zeitgeist like Normy is the world over or
just smashing chat GPT. It's like nobody's doing work anymore.
They're just like, oh, everything's got the M dashes and
the rights like chat GPT, and you know you can.
You can sniff it out a mile away if you
know what you're looking for. And I can even tell
you most times.

Speaker 1 (01:58:52):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:58:53):
And we should try this to a triple blind test
or whatever. No, no, uh, no, fancy prompting. But I'm
pretty sure I can pick out the way Claude rites
versus the way chat GPT rights versus the way Rock
rides versus you know, in a vanilla test. I'm pretty
sure I would be able to kind of pick these
things out. So I don't know. Like I said, it's
a weird space we're moving into, and if we don't

(01:59:14):
think about it, we can't do anything about it. And
I don't know what the answers are. I don't but
like I said, let's think about him, Let's talk about him.
If you want to be part of the conversation, tonight
to love to hear your thoughts seven two nine five
seven one zero three seven click to Discordinate a trouble
blant rug. Thanks for being patient. Back to James, James Salcito,
you had some stuff you wanted to cover there. We
got some time, as you said, welcome back. How you feeling.

(01:59:36):
How's everything going? And it's been a minute, and I
think I know probably what happened to discord conceptually. I
think it updated right before we went live, so we
were all on a weird right till we all bounced
and updated and came back and it fixed it. Anyway,
that's my working theory. James, you're still there. Welcome back
to the Joint Tower user.

Speaker 15 (01:59:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:59:57):
Great cost from everyone, Derek and Jen and Nelson. You
can just want to add too. You can hear Jenn
on my show on weekends most of the time as well.
Selseedo paranormal so great. Always glad to have her there
as well. But yeah, you know what, it's ironic here.
I put it in Chare earlier. There were actual people

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were making I'm guessing probably using AI and cutting and
pasting whatever, but they're making memes of that whole event,
that whole Cold Play concert scene with comic book characters.

Speaker 2 (02:00:33):
I'm not even kidding you.

Speaker 3 (02:00:36):
And especially with characters that let's say, had multiple relationships
and sometimes at the same time. So they did one
with with with Marvel. That's how I know about that.
So that's really wild that that that is one thing
that started with the musical thing, and then people in
another another kind of part of the entertainment interest of

(02:01:01):
all of all things, they took that and made something
else out of it using another medium. So it's really
wild how that works. But yeah, this is it just
has me wondering about the way people throughout time have
reported seeing all kinds of things. The most common one
that a lot of people know about is as I

(02:01:23):
mentioned earlier, to do with aliens and people seeing aliens
or craft or whatever in the actual experiences whatever they
were going through, whatever was happening, I don't kind of know,
but they were seeing things, and then years later they
would see a cover on a book or something in
a movie and it would be just like what they saw,

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very much like what they saw before the media was
ever out.

Speaker 4 (02:01:52):
And that this doesn't just happen with the UFOs.

Speaker 3 (02:01:54):
I've heard of this with sort of with ghosts, with
just lights, with all kinds of things, and it really
makes me wonder about energy and consciousness if it's not
inside a physical form. There is this idea I've heard
over the years that if it's not in a physical form,

(02:02:14):
that it can access possibly all of time. And if
it can do that, then does it do that? Is
that how we have these situations where people are seeing
things that haven't been invented yet, are created yet in
a fictional space, but they're seeing them in the quote

(02:02:36):
unquote real world.

Speaker 2 (02:02:38):
Yeah, that's that's the singularity idea, Like the true singularity
is sort of outside of time itself. We've talked about
this too. It's a there's a term. I can't remember
what the actual term is, but they're describing large language
models as this budding quasi consciousness that doesn't see the
world as humans do, but it's built on human information.

(02:03:01):
And the reason it can't see the world as humans
do is for obvious reasons. It can't you know, get sick,
it can't pass away, it can't you know, have a
catastrophic accident like those sorts of things, and it will
not ever expire until the plug is poled or whatever.
And so there's not that level of dare I say anxiety,

(02:03:24):
I mean, surely there's an anxiety there. So it's sort
of information outside of that space, that human space of
being temporary shout out herschel, and so it kind of
knows it can think outside of time because it doesn't
have to worry about you know, ten years from now,

(02:03:45):
what happens to my retirement? Are they going to steal
my retirement that I worked my entire life for human stuff?
Am I going to get sick? What happens to my
family if I do this type of stuff? I mean,
it's a weird thing. I can remember the exact time
it'll come to me, or maybe it won't, but you
know how my mind works. My mind does work in
mysterious ways. But that exact thing is bizarre, because as

(02:04:08):
you're describing outside of time itself, thinking outside of time
is probably the most what I don't want to say
point you, but the most let's say, direct philosophical quotient
you can build into philosophy because thinking is a human
is one thing. But if you think outside of the

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human space in a pure objective manner, I mean, that's
godlike intelligence, and that's where we're headed. I don't know
a lot of rambles there, but you get what I mean.
We're describing the same thing in terms of a time
traveling outside of the human space intelligence aspect, and what
does it mean and how's it going to change everything?
I don't know. Like this this is again the question

(02:04:51):
of our time, and we'll keep asking it and keep
talking about it. But it is bizarre. And I do
love that they did the comic book stuff on the
those memes. Like Eric said too, on the Coldplay meme
with the couple canoodling that were cheating, it was it
was basically it turned into all the jokes were, oh,
the real scandal is being in a cold Play concert
because everybody thought they were super clever, and then suddenly

(02:05:13):
they got more clever. And then it just fractalized and
there was the comic ones, and there was all the things,
and you know, basically the people canoodling and all the
different sub genres of interest like you're describing with the comics,
and it got funny. It got funny, but it interally
didn't start funny to me. It was like, stop it, really,
this is this is kind of dumb people, super dumb.

Speaker 7 (02:05:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:05:35):
Now, and just for reference for the comic book thing,
you know, the one I saw that was probably the
most recognizable involved three of the major X Men characters.
So you have you know, Cyclops, who's supposedly this we've
talked about this before too, this perfect leader, the one
that was supposed to just do the best and always

(02:05:56):
would be just reliable for the X Men and for
mutants in general. Who if you've read the comics, trust me,
he has not been. He's had many he's had he's
caused many problems in the comics. But one of those
things that happened a couple of times with him actually
was he left one person for another person and or

(02:06:17):
was even with two people at the same time, just
different places, different circumstances, And they had that with him
and Jean Gray, who was of course his original love,
and then Mr Frost, who came about in the two thousands.
Funny about that as far as being the X Ray
in comics, that's when she got to be a hero, supposedly,

(02:06:38):
And so you know, this whole thing with all that
at the timing and all that is just really funny.
But so yeah, that's my comment on all that. But yeah,
it was just really wild to see that at first.
You know, it's funny about that too, real quick. I
had no idea what they were doing. I was seeing
because I only use Facebook to keep check of family,
like what's going on family? But I see posts about

(02:07:00):
the comic book stuff. And at first I saw this
post about Coldplay and Cyclops and Jane Gray and Mr
Frost being cited at this Coldplay concert, I had no idea,
Like at the time, I hadn't even heard about the
event that started us until tonight, really seriously, seriously.

Speaker 2 (02:07:18):
So you thought this was a little bit weird that
is happening, and you missed the entire sort of zeit
guy surge of the entire thing. Yeah, that's funny, it is, But.

Speaker 3 (02:07:28):
Just real quick on the consciousness out of a physical form,
out of time, basically being able to see all the time.
I also wonder if that could lead to being able
to see all the possibilities, whether you want to call
that a multiverse, parallel universes or not. That can also
be something that I mean, we see that with AI

(02:07:48):
as well. It considers all these things. And you said before,
it doesn't give you the same answer every time. It
can give you different answers and have different things in
each answer, but some of the same things.

Speaker 2 (02:07:58):
But some different things. I've seen that as well.

Speaker 3 (02:08:01):
So it really is while to think about that that
kind of consciousness, whatever it is, if it's AI or
not manipulating, I wonder if it's this does a universal
one or if it's all the places everywhere.

Speaker 2 (02:08:15):
Yeah, that would be fractal potentiality of information. And again
in our minds, right, like I would call that sort
of our intuition, that was our evolutionary advantage. We sort
of had the epigenetics built into us all kinds of
things that we don't really kind of quantify as part
of being human that are real advantages. And you know,

(02:08:36):
the the morphic stuff. You know, you know when somebody's
staring at the back of your head that you know
that predator prey instinct. There's like, there's a lot of
really good advantages we have that are you know, called pseudoscience,
but are observable. And everybody goes, yeah, yeah, definitely, that's
happened to me. So you know, as usual, how many
anecdotes does it anecdotes? Can I say the word it
does it take to actually create data? And that's again

(02:09:01):
Rupert Sheldrake and the morphic residence and that type of stuff.
But anyway. I mean, yeah, this is this is where
we're at, and this is why this is an important
space to consider because it's changing so quickly. And I
don't know what does the singularity look like? What does
it what does it mean to think in the space
outside of time itself? That's pure philosophy in my opinion,
because human philosophy is still kind of bent into that

(02:09:26):
the pretzel of well, we all know we're here, and
we all know eventually we won't be here. Yeah, it's wild.
I don't know what do you guys think. We're talking
to the zeitgeys tonight, but not just that, we're talking
to fractal potentiality. We're talking the singularity and we're talking
whatever you want to talk about. James are the best
to be right back more with James coming up and

(02:09:47):
your calls as well, what do you know about this?
And how weird does it get?

Speaker 11 (02:09:51):
More?

Speaker 2 (02:09:51):
Trouble Minds on the way, Don't go anywhere. Welcome back

(02:10:15):
to Trouble Minds. I'm your host of Michael Strange. We're
streaming on YouTube, the rumble x, Twitch and kick. We
are broadcasting live on the Trouble Minds Radio Network. That's
KUAP Digital Broadcasting and of course eighty eight point four
FM Auckland, New Zealand. Tonight we're talking to zeit guys.
Is it possible to hack the zeitgeist at all? I
know it's been done before, but I'm not so sure

(02:10:35):
it was intentionally tough. And of course we are definitely
trying to with technology, the technocrats, AI systems, large language models,
all the things we always talk about. But it's complicated
and is it possible? Because look, I think when you
talk about sort of the culture wars recently there's been
this big dust up and to do with not just
a political space but the culture wars themselves. I think

(02:10:59):
those are direct attacks and influences and hacking the zeitgeist.
I think that's what that is. However, I don't know
that it's entirely effective, Like it can be effective temporarily,
but as usual as not just the political wins change,
but as people get kind of tired of the same
nonsense over and over again, that those culture wars become

(02:11:22):
a relic of the past and a relic of a
bygone era that we now recognize going forward as manipulation
of a pure zeitgeist of people actually coming together and
collaborating and being people together. I mean, like it seems
ridiculous to say that that's a novel thought in twenty
twenty five, But how great would it be to just

(02:11:46):
have people get together? I mean you know what I mean, Like,
come on, no, it's instead it's super super you know,
supercharged with everything else, with all the division, all the nonsense,
all the know, if they look different than you, you
should hate them, and if they think different than you,
you should hate them. And it's also stupid. Stop it, Like,

(02:12:09):
like again, if you can't sniff that out at this point,
where to help to help talk about it and point
it out and recognize that you can even do that
outside of political spaces. I mean, most of us aren't
here for binary politics, as I've said, otherwise, you know,
what are you doing? Because we barely talk about that.
But the zeitgeist itself certainly is steeped in those ideas

(02:12:32):
because they're trying to hack it. Now, is it possible
that white hat hack it the zeitgeist? I mean, for
the best of us, for all of us. I don't
know the answer to that, but let's think about it,
let's consider it. And uh, I don't know, let's find
a way James anything on that, and we'll go to
Robert Scott his hand up again, we'll go back to him.

Speaker 3 (02:12:55):
It just is making me think of how today I
was looking into some more possible sources or some more
resources possibly for research for what I do and everything,
and I was looking at streaming apps, lesser known ones
and and what they had available, and it was all
of one kind of thing. I'm not going to say

(02:13:16):
what kind of thing it was, because to each their own,
but it was ninety one style of paranormal show and
it was not conversations. And I was just looking around
and I was thinking, this is this after this title,
after that title, after this title, They're all basically doing

(02:13:37):
the same thing. There's the only difference is location and people,
and but they're all basically doing the same thing. And
that wasn't what I was looking for. And it just
reminds me of how but that that's apparently that's popular,
at least that's what people think it's popular, and so
that's what gets made. Is the kind of show is

(02:13:58):
that get made over and over and over again to
where the market is flooded with them. And it's funny
how that works with paranormal stuff, but also a lot
of other things too.

Speaker 2 (02:14:07):
Yeah, it's what makes money, James, that's the thing. They
found a formula that makes money, so they just rent
and repeat until people get sick of it. And that's
when the sort of the taste makers, the game changers
come in, because there are tons of other wild ideas
that need to be talked about and considered. And I'm
not look and I'm of course talking about us and
these sorts of ideas. We're way ahead of the game.

(02:14:29):
But are people ready for this right now? Like five
years from now. They've they've been like, you know, let's
see what people are saying about troubled minds five years
from now, and that becomes really the space here is
we're forward looking, recognizing the past we came from and
trying to reconcile that with our own two feet in
the moment right now. Who else is doing that? Nobody?

(02:14:52):
I mean, the political space is looking to the mid terms,
impeachment like whatever, like arresting people, I mean whatever. I
just I'm so done with politics. I'm just so done
with it. It drives me insane. I just want to
punch myself on the face. Every time I turn on
one of those things, I'm just like this again again.

(02:15:13):
Still people really okay? All right? Anyway, anyway, Yeah, it's
a wild thing to consider, and I want to point
this out to these links from the description. There's something
called the global brain and which fits very well into
what we're talking about tonight. It's a guy called Francis Hayligan.
I guess h e y l I g h e
n hey Legan. I don't know how you say that,
a cyber neticist investigating the emergence of evolution and intelligent organization.

(02:15:38):
Links from the description do check it out. But I
want to read this quick blur, but we'll go back
to Robert. He says this. This is back in two
thousand and five. Now, if I think we're ahead, this
dude was way ahead two thousand and five. He said this.
Check this out. Conceptions of a global brain Imagine a giant,
intelligent brain made of humanity and its computers, the global brain.

(02:16:00):
This idea blends views of society as a living organism,
a universal encyclopedia, and an emerging higher consciousness. Global networks
like the Internet not only share information, but also learn
and adapt together by combining insights from evolution in cybernetics,
we can overcome conflicts and build a collective intelligence that

(02:16:21):
make solving world problems more efficient and creative. Oh that's
so nice. I like this guy, and yes, absolutely, but
look what's happened instead since two thousand and five when
he came up with this, or at least wrote this
blurb about the idea. It seems like it's fractalized in
the opposite, and we're not building a collective intelligence that

(02:16:43):
solves world problems and makes things efficient and creative. We're
at each other's throats, not us. However, you get what
I'm saying. My dog is down, there's snuffling. Are you serious? Okay,
all right, anyway, anything on that, James and all ring
Robert on up.

Speaker 3 (02:17:02):
Just it's amazing how ideas have seemed to always have
been around, and they just come and go and they
may have different names. Have encountered this with reviewing the
books of the works of Charles fort As I said
before he's he was talking about UFOs, before the term
UFO was around. I just wonder how many ideas, how

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many things are new, and how many just have different
names throughout time.

Speaker 2 (02:17:31):
Yeah, Kelly said that earlier in the chat. Shatout Kelly.
If you're still listening, he said, nothing new under the sun, guys,
He's totally right, Yeah, absolutely seven two nine zero three seven.
Click the discord link at Troubledminds dot org. We'll put
you on the show just like this, the Roberts. What's
a brother, Welcome back, what's on your mind? Lots of
things to tackle, Go right ahead, Okay, I'm gona keep going.

(02:17:52):
Just keep doing your thing, and if you want to
call on the phone line, you're welcome to you. If
you get it fixed, I'll just stop talking. It's all yours,
all right. So so okay, So as part of this too,
I was cruising down and going through the ideas as usual,
and there's there's a fantastic write up by here here
by the way, a fantastic rite up. I do check
this out, and it's talking about this exact thing sort

(02:18:14):
of acting the zeitgeist, and it's I used instetive perplexity
to kind of do the initial larger brainstorming. I used
what is it Claude. Claude's got like a deep research
Now that's actually pretty good. So anyway, I do check
it out, so I used it sort of a base
model of this that I cranked out yesterday and then

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did the rite up from it, and it is very good,
very accurate in a lot of ways, and also different.
I mean again, I think I think that's part of
the advantage too, is being able to kind of use
use the best of these tools as they continue to
create them. But anyway, like I said, uh, don't don't
look at my chat GBT history. You'll think I'm the
biggest skitzo on the planet.

Speaker 7 (02:18:56):
But I'm not.

Speaker 2 (02:18:58):
I'm not stop it there anyway, whatever, think whatever you
want to be. I don't care. Uh, Robert, test one two?
Are you there? Your own troubled mind's un mute? And
maybe maybe not? Nope, Nope, problems problem us, l Robert,

(02:19:18):
Which is problem us? Call the phone line and we'll
put you on that way. Yeah, yes, sorry about that.
Uh okay, I'm gonna go to uh THEO and Philly
and then uh we'll go to Acasta hand tight. I
see there was your hand up and THEO your own
trouble minds? How are you go? Right ahead? Welcome back? Hey?

Speaker 1 (02:19:41):
Was it like?

Speaker 4 (02:19:42):
Sorry?

Speaker 5 (02:19:42):
I just wanted to double dip because people on the
rumble chat are having such a good conversation right now
that you've kind of insane. But what I wanted to
double dip about was just honoring the the geist or
is that of our parent parents, because I think of

(02:20:02):
the like part of the problem, or a lot of
the problem with the way that we judge our intergenerational relationships.
And I know that a lot of us have these problems,
you know, specifically coming from like Millennials relating to boomers,
or boomers relating to millennials, or Gen X really kind
of attempting to relate to anyone because I feel like

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they were one of the weird, forgotten generations. But we
all kind of judge these generations based on the expectations
that we have, whether it's from the younger generation or
the older generation. You know, a lot of the boomers
will obviously expect us to somehow have a magical income

(02:20:47):
that could support like a two family household for like
just you know, supporting like, you know, a couple of
kids in general, but also we judge them from an
incorrect or at least incomplete time frame of what they

(02:21:08):
are experiencing or what they have experienced, you know, because
they grew up on a different generation of media from us.
So I do think it is really interesting just to
try to like take a step back and not judge
the current zeitgeist and how people are doing with it

(02:21:34):
based off of your own perspective, because your own perspective
is kind of necessarily incomplete. But yeah, yeah, that's basically
all I had to say.

Speaker 2 (02:21:44):
Yeah, and it is, this is wisdom. And you and
I actually have talked about this. I think you asked
me a question, you know, you said, Mike Strange, what
do you think about millennials or whatever? And what came
to my mind was like, that's a trap, not like
you were trying to trap me, Like that's sort of
the societal trap is let's malign massive groups of people

(02:22:05):
because we're different, you know, at least temporarily different in
the age space, and that this is exactly why we
talk about these things together, to remind ourselves. And you're
on point one hundred percent, and I couldn't agree with
you more. Recognize we are built for different times, but
it doesn't mean we're obsolete. There's no such thing as

(02:22:26):
a dinosaur in twenty twenty five, because you can just
do things Yop, you're the best.

Speaker 5 (02:22:34):
Yeah, yes, I am the best. Thank you very much
for acknowledging this.

Speaker 2 (02:22:40):
Absolutely, but no, no, just like.

Speaker 5 (02:22:43):
Yeah, it's just it's hard sometimes because I remember, so
I think that like you're a gen xer, right, is
that correct?

Speaker 2 (02:22:52):
That is correct?

Speaker 5 (02:22:54):
Yeah. I had like a gen x or roommate who's
like super solid, like and I love this guy, and
he was good and we you know, agreed on almost everything,
although that's not always necessarily healthy, but he was a solid,
good roommate. You know, we worked in the same industry
and it was all nice and fun. But I do
remember he like did like judge me for being a

(02:23:18):
millennial who received uh participation trophies, just during one of
those random intergenerational warfare times where it's just like, oh,
these millennials are so precious, they received like h trophies
for even participating, and like I came back from my

(02:23:39):
own millennial perspective and just fired back a little bit
too aggressively, just saying like, well, dude, like I was
a kid, Like I had no idea that I was
actually getting participation participation in trophies for nothing. It made
no sense to me, and subsequently is like you know,

(02:24:00):
came from his gen X definitely growing out or growing
up outside on the bicycle and just riding around all
night was like, well, you know, we never got that.
I don't know, it's just like such a silly conversation
in retrospect that never really needed to be anything aggressive.
But people get defensive about where they come from and

(02:24:22):
what impooral period they come from.

Speaker 2 (02:24:25):
So yeah, yeah, regarding your friend there, I don't know him,
but that participation trophy stuff is like it sounds to
me like you watch too much Fox News. That's that's
the way I see that, And let's let's forgive you
that it.

Speaker 5 (02:24:36):
Probably was, you know, but like you know, I don't
blame him for consuming the media that he does. You know,
he was one of the last people I know who
actually watched The Late Show, like even when we just
had streaming TVs watching the show. So you go, all right, dude,
you're gonna watch That's that's cool too, super cool. Yeah.

(02:25:01):
I mean, we all make strange decisions with the way
that we view our frame of life, especially when it
was like comes towards others.

Speaker 1 (02:25:09):
Yeah, that's all I got, But.

Speaker 2 (02:25:11):
Thanks for appreciate you very much. Thanks for the call.
I have a fantastic night. Shout out to the Rumble
crew over there. Great conversations, not just this is why
this is so amazing, by the way, So we have
great conversations together, but then there's the great write up
that comes with it that will spawn conversations in your
mind for days to come. But then also in all
the chats there's these great conversations happening as well. It's

(02:25:31):
like this fractals of fractals of amazing ideas all in
the same space together.

Speaker 10 (02:25:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:25:37):
Right, aren't we blessed to have that? Hang Ti a Kashak.
We're going to go to Robert real quick. He's back
on the phone line, and then we'll go out with
you and you have as much time as you need.
What's up the Robert? You're on troubled minds, Welcome back
to the joint diminished returns. Make it quick if you
can go right ahead.

Speaker 16 (02:25:52):
How could you put that Global these piece that you
had up there? You know you can you put that
back on the screen?

Speaker 2 (02:26:04):
Yeah, the Global ring, Yeah you got it.

Speaker 16 (02:26:08):
No, No, the one the one about where he was
basically utopia talking how this could be so wonderful and
oh blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (02:26:15):
Got it.

Speaker 16 (02:26:16):
It was like sur paragraph the only reason can you
read that last line absolutely.

Speaker 2 (02:26:24):
Says by combining insights from evolution and cybernetics, we can
overcome conflicts and build a collective intelligence that makes solving
world problems more efficient and creative.

Speaker 16 (02:26:37):
Yes, and and and this is and he was absolutely right,
except he put it Forech didn't put it. You didn't
understand the nature of things. And the nature of things
is profit. And the last thing that the profit heres
want to do is make, you know, solve world problems
efficiently at all. The whole thing about making profit is

(02:26:59):
the create a problem that people have to pay to
pay to have worked out.

Speaker 2 (02:27:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (02:27:08):
That In other words, the money makers have hijacked AI
and they're turning it into exact opposite of what this
man uh put across. It could be, Yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (02:27:24):
The pure version of this. There are local ais. By
the way, Like I said it a week ago, I'll
say it again tonight. Go back and watch I Robot
from two thousand and five. I know Will Smith weird.
He was cool back then, as Derek said, as I agree,
But go back and watch that uh and see what's happening.
It's basically there's a scene in there where they have
online ais fighting local offline ais, which are still trying

(02:27:45):
to defend humans, but the online AI is trying to
defend humanity as a whole with a vision. So you
have these robots fighting each other. It's incredible. Go watch
it if you're looking for something to do in the
next couple of weeks.

Speaker 16 (02:27:56):
And the theme of that the theme that movie was
the bad between good and evil.

Speaker 2 (02:28:01):
As usual as all of the themes typically are.

Speaker 16 (02:28:05):
Am I right, I just want to put something across.
That's why I call back something I see coming in
the future, all right, maybe within ten years, maybe twenty years,
all right, the idea that you won't have schools anymore.
All right, Right now you can go on chat GP

(02:28:26):
and say, teach me everything I need to know to
be an engineer. But instead of but then you have
to read all this long stuff and if it go
on for pages and pages and pages and pages like
a encyclopedia. But I see in the future where you
pick your you know what you want to do, just

(02:28:49):
like going to a library. Right. Oh, here, this this
little chip here, the SIMS chipper has all the information
on it on how to be an engineer? All right,
all the things you need to know and and and
you'll hook that up to your cell phone, all right,
which and connected to the AI and then you put

(02:29:14):
on some kind of helmet all right, and and are
our headphones and it sees the information you know immediately
down into your brain. And you become an engineer because
now you have all your knowledge that there is to
be an engineer.

Speaker 2 (02:29:35):
Or just give it to your robot and your robot
will do it for you.

Speaker 16 (02:29:38):
And I know we're talking about human beings here. And
let's say let's say you want to be a writer,
and you want to write like Johnson, like steinbeck Er, Dickens,
all right, they would downloaded your debt. We downloaded onto
a sim put it in there. Next thing you know,
you're writing Warren Piece the sequel.

Speaker 2 (02:30:01):
Nobody's reading that. That's way too long in a TikTok
attention span space.

Speaker 16 (02:30:07):
But you see what I mean, I've seen. I think
that's really going to come to a situation where you
don't have teachers anymore, you don't have classrooms. You just
hook up to what you what you need, what you
want to hook up to to get all the information
you want and it's downloading your own brain.

Speaker 2 (02:30:28):
It's coming. You're absolutely right. And so when knowledge is
free in the most fractal sense, what does it mean?

Speaker 16 (02:30:40):
Uh, I'm trying to figure out how the how the
profiteers would corrupt that. I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (02:30:47):
Easy, I'm not. You sell the modules to the to
the UH to the to the Carpenter's Union so that
you buy the carpenter to build it into yourself in
the transhuman future, but you have to pay the Carpenter's
Union to use the carpenter expertise. That's how you do it. Well,
that's only fair, okay, Okay, you said you trying to

(02:31:09):
figure out out that's how that's the first way to
do it. But of course there's many others that that'll
come along.

Speaker 16 (02:31:17):
Yeah, yeah, But I'm just saying that all what it
seems to me like that's where it's going to eventually go,
where whatever your interest is that you because for one thing,
you're going to have all these all these robots doing
our work. Nobody has jobs, okay, And and and they're

(02:31:37):
saying that, well, that'll get people plenty of time, you know,
to do what they want to do. Because then you
have universal income or something like that, because they'll tax
the robots. Believe me, they'll tax the robots. They'll you know,
they'll go buy what that what a human being would
be getting as a wage from what that your robots

(02:31:58):
is doing, and they'll tax it that way to be
in order to find a universal uh income. And they're
saying that that will allow that are free up human
beings to do the things they love to do, all right,
And and I'm thinking to myself, one of the best things.
A way of doing that is if you can pick

(02:32:20):
your your what you want to do, pull it out,
plug it into it into your cell phone, and AI
downloads all the information that you need to do what
you want to do.

Speaker 2 (02:32:34):
Amen, And we're already almost there. When that happens, I'll
I'll tag you and let you know because I'm watching
it very closely. You want to be a carpenter or
a what's your what's your your stick there and I'll
send it straight to you.

Speaker 16 (02:32:45):
I want to be a I want to be a
podcaster like mister Strange.

Speaker 2 (02:32:53):
Okay, you got it. When that when that uh becomes
a thing and you can just download it and upload
it I'll send it directly to you. You're the best. Robert.

Speaker 16 (02:33:01):
Okay, good, Hi, take care.

Speaker 2 (02:33:03):
What a nice thing to say. Thank you for that.
I get a mentor of mine saying exactly that he's
a he knows where to get the heart strings. Seven
two nine one zero three seven. Click the discord link
at Troubledminds dot or we'll put you on the show
a cost you links. Thanks for being patient. Welcome to
Troubled Minds. How are you? And just basically so on
the discord you hit accept the invite because I hit

(02:33:24):
pop on the stage, and then once you get on
the stage, then just on mute and you're on Troubled Minds.
It's as easy as that. Welcome to the thing.

Speaker 7 (02:33:30):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (02:33:31):
First time caller? I believe did I do it right? Perfectly?
We can be you loud and clear, Welcome, how are you?

Speaker 7 (02:33:37):
Okay? Cool?

Speaker 18 (02:33:37):
Echa, Hi, Hi, so hi everybody, and thanks for the
warm welcome already.

Speaker 7 (02:33:42):
And I think it's awesome. I just want to command you.
I think it's awesome.

Speaker 18 (02:33:48):
You know what you're what you're doing, and all the
awesome people that you have collected and uh, you know,
gravity to people that have gravitated towards you because we're.

Speaker 7 (02:34:00):
The best of what's left of the rest, you know, and.

Speaker 18 (02:34:05):
There's a we are definitely even though we're the majority
taking care of the minority, we're the minority of the majority.

Speaker 7 (02:34:12):
There's no doubt about it.

Speaker 18 (02:34:13):
And I don't even know where to begin because you
so many people had so many good points.

Speaker 7 (02:34:20):
It's so easy.

Speaker 18 (02:34:21):
You know, I've taken so many notes after each caller,
after everything you've said, because it's so complex.

Speaker 7 (02:34:28):
It's so it's woe, but it's so thick, and it
goes so deep and it goes so far. It's like,
you know, I missed my calling.

Speaker 18 (02:34:37):
I wish it could have been like a detective or something.
And you know those boards where they have the yarn
going from thumbtack to thumbtack, I mean you would you
would need more yarn.

Speaker 7 (02:34:46):
I mean, this is this is crazy and and we're all,
you know, we're all the victims of it.

Speaker 18 (02:34:54):
So let's see you guys, let's see what you're talking about.
So you know, there's streaming, like fuck, where do I start.

Speaker 7 (02:35:04):
Please bear with me, because this is another thing. I'm
a little you know, I'm a little uh reticent about
speaking and you know what I do talk about.

Speaker 18 (02:35:15):
Or search for online because it is being monitored. You
don't even have to type anything anymore. You can just
speak it aloud and it appears on your phone, it
appears on your television.

Speaker 7 (02:35:28):
There's you know, you don't have to be put on
that list by you know, you know, literally typing something
in on AI, which.

Speaker 18 (02:35:37):
I'm kind of like to you, Michael, I mean, I've
I've spent some time asking those weird questions.

Speaker 7 (02:35:43):
I'm very damn to you. I'm on a freaking list
right now.

Speaker 18 (02:35:46):
But it's nothing that I would be calling attention to myself,
like I want to cause harm. What it is is,
I'm picking, I want to crack AI, I want to
stump it, I want to make it go, and I
have I have a couple of two or three times
it's like I don't know.

Speaker 7 (02:36:01):
I don't know how to answer that, and it's like
that's right.

Speaker 18 (02:36:03):
But there have been a few times where I've been
utterly talk at what it has told me because I've
asked it things like what do you do when when
the people that are in control, the people that are
in the top, the people that have access to everything,
our government are the ones that are breaking the law,

(02:36:28):
and then they are trying to put the ones that
are trying to get them to stop breaking the law
in jail with the new laws that they're doing. And
it was like, well, you know, join am a community
where with like minds go to your local representatives, go
see about maybe you know, maybe somebody.

Speaker 7 (02:36:48):
And I was like, but no, what if they own
the courts?

Speaker 4 (02:36:52):
What if they own this?

Speaker 7 (02:36:53):
What if they owned that?

Speaker 18 (02:36:55):
And then they said, I mean I wish I had
it in front of me so I could say Forbaden
because it's fighting. It said, well, this, if you're what
you're telling me, and if this is exactly what you're
asking me, this is a dire situation.

Speaker 7 (02:37:09):
This is something that is uh of.

Speaker 18 (02:37:14):
This is dangerous and uh and and it was recommending
and I can't even believe.

Speaker 7 (02:37:19):
I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 18 (02:37:20):
It was recommending things like the Black Panthers and stuff
like that. Now, look, the Black Panthers have gotten a
bomb wrapped. They were actually they did good for their community.
They what they did is they had no one to
fucking stand up for who they were. You know, I'm
tired of all this being just a pawd, We're all just.

Speaker 1 (02:37:41):
You know.

Speaker 18 (02:37:41):
I also asked another thing with AI, A tough question.
Why don't the rich pay fucking taxes?

Speaker 2 (02:37:47):
I just report? Please please, I'm sorry, Please watch, please watch.

Speaker 18 (02:37:51):
The Okay, that will be the last f bomb? Okay,
Why why don't they pay taxes? How much taxes do
they pay?

Speaker 7 (02:38:01):
In relation?

Speaker 18 (02:38:03):
We are actually ninety eight percent, you're appoint five percent
of the people.

Speaker 7 (02:38:08):
There are five hundred billionaires, there are one million millionaires.

Speaker 18 (02:38:14):
Those two categories collected pay about two hundred and thirty
brillion dollars in taxes a year. Sounds like a lie,
doesn't it. But the rest of us, and you know
what they pay, that's about three percent of their earnings.
We pay upwards of about thirty six eight forty percent.

(02:38:39):
We as the ninety eight percent, pay about eight hundred
brillion dollars.

Speaker 7 (02:38:49):
And wow, that's a little you know, justice, A lady Justice, I.

Speaker 18 (02:38:53):
Think she's got her eyes rocked because those scales are
very unbalanced.

Speaker 7 (02:38:59):
This, this is incredible.

Speaker 18 (02:39:01):
And I asked it, like, why don't they pay you know,
why don't they pay their version? Don't you think they
should pay their pressure?

Speaker 7 (02:39:07):
Isn't this not equal? You know among men.

Speaker 18 (02:39:11):
I mean, you know, all for one, one for all, right,
and then it said that you know they should actually well,
the way they get through all that is because they
promised to put money into the infrastructure, into libraries, into schools,
into all of these things. And that's what gets them
all these giant tax breaks. But the thing is that
what they're doing is getting rid of all of those things.

(02:39:34):
They love nothing more than to get rid of the
Department of Education, to earn the books, to close the libraries.

Speaker 7 (02:39:44):
You know, knowledge was free at one time, and it
was free thought. You know, you could go now. I mean,
what do they do you want to go to college?

Speaker 18 (02:39:55):
You know, they weigh you down with with with school
loans to where you're barely surviving, and just to pay
that off, you're working.

Speaker 7 (02:40:03):
You know, you're working a waitress job.

Speaker 18 (02:40:05):
I've been there, I've done that. I've worked laborious jobs
my whole life. I've born in nineteen seventy three. My
birthday is July thirty first, and I've done nothing but
hard joze.

Speaker 7 (02:40:17):
For over twenty five years. I worked in the movie.

Speaker 18 (02:40:19):
Industry as a step painner in the construction department, the
pre production, not with the beautiful people, not with the
quote talent.

Speaker 7 (02:40:30):
I've worked on and you guys were talking about Marvel
my first job. You know, I live in New Orleans.
I'm originally from California.

Speaker 18 (02:40:38):
That's too long a story to get into, but I
started working in the film industry in New Orleans well
after Katrina, losing everything I.

Speaker 7 (02:40:46):
Had in two homes because it was moving from one
to the other lower.

Speaker 18 (02:40:49):
Ninth ward the other place. Nine foot of water, three
foot of water, lost it all.

Speaker 7 (02:40:54):
I moved back.

Speaker 18 (02:40:55):
Home California because IASI, the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage employee,
said anyone displaced from Katrina, you can go anywhere in
the country and will help you to get back on
your feet again, at least get you employment. I was like, heck, yeah,
I could go home and see my mom, my dad,
my brothers. Try to get back on my feet. I

(02:41:16):
have nothing, and first movie I worked on got my
days on Spider Man three, No Kidden Spider Man three.
I went from the bottom to run in to spearheaded
underneath my husband and me and him leading the scenic department,
leading the set painting department, running our shows.

Speaker 7 (02:41:36):
Having a crew of thirty five forty people under us.

Speaker 18 (02:41:40):
That first show was four reshoots, second one Captain America
reshoots in Hollywood, where everybody's nepetistic, they're set in their
third generation.

Speaker 7 (02:41:53):
Everyone was like, who the hell are these guys? Where
did they come from?

Speaker 18 (02:41:58):
And we, you know, we came in there by storm,
and we from storm, and we came in there and
we stormed it.

Speaker 7 (02:42:07):
Man, we did break.

Speaker 18 (02:42:09):
And then you know, long story short, I mean, we
stayed there for seven years, flourished, come back to Louisiana
and because you know, husband's from.

Speaker 7 (02:42:21):
Here originally, and we come back here elderly parents, and
we come back here. We were the top dogs here.

Speaker 18 (02:42:28):
So after show after show and all right, and we
worked out here until non stop and me praying for
a day off. And and then it comes to the
writer's strike. Oh I'm sorry, it comes to twenty twenty.

Speaker 7 (02:42:46):
We all knew what that was. That lasted utterly too long,
and people, we were forced to stay home.

Speaker 18 (02:42:53):
We were forced to stay home eighteen months longer because
they were so worried about the talent, not us, the
talent getting sick and how do we do new protocols
and how do we how do we get around this
COVID thing.

Speaker 7 (02:43:10):
How do we you know, because you want to talk
about a super spreader, you could do it in one day.

Speaker 18 (02:43:15):
When you talk about all the departments here around each other,
from you know, labor to construction, through our promp makers,
the painters, the set decorators to you know, you name it,
to the art department, you have to mingle with. I mean,
it's not tough, and there were a few breakouts, and
you know it's been tough for me too as a

(02:43:36):
woman in this situation.

Speaker 7 (02:43:37):
I didn't have anybody. I didn't have a family member
or any ready.

Speaker 1 (02:43:41):
To do it, you know.

Speaker 18 (02:43:42):
So I get in there, and you know, I gotta
I'm going to prove why I earned my way to
be there, why I'm qualifying to be there.

Speaker 7 (02:43:50):
In this union, it's a union, and I'm in two.

Speaker 16 (02:43:54):
I was in.

Speaker 7 (02:43:55):
I'm in two unions. Technically I was I was seven.

Speaker 18 (02:44:00):
Which is the set painters and sign writers out in
LA and Hollywood.

Speaker 7 (02:44:05):
That's the that's the union card of all cards.

Speaker 18 (02:44:08):
You can go anywhere in the country and out here
local Local four seventy eight.

Speaker 7 (02:44:14):
Out here. Man, I'm you know, that's why I'm nervous,
and you know, but I do. I want to scream from.

Speaker 18 (02:44:21):
The top of the mountain as loud as it is,
because I don't understand why people aren't more outraged right now.
What is going on is absolutely terrifying, and everybody, you
have these guys coming out the gate going we gotta
move fast, we gotta move quick. We're gonna make mistakes
for him. We've got to fix them real fast. Well,
what happened was they got up the line before Democrats

(02:44:45):
or anyone else who are trying to still.

Speaker 7 (02:44:47):
Follow the law. Well they're not. And meanwhile they're getting
away with a bag.

Speaker 18 (02:44:52):
You know, they're they're way ahead, and we're just kind
of went, well, I think that this might not be
a legal or or is this right?

Speaker 7 (02:45:00):
And you know, it's it is insane, what's going on.

Speaker 2 (02:45:06):
Yeah, look, I'm I'm sorry. I'm really sorry that stuff's happening.
And look good, but there's there's good stuff in there,
there's bad stuff in there.

Speaker 18 (02:45:14):
And we go but AI too is a part of
shutting us down, right, So they get through the right struck,
they get through the actor strake, we get through COVID,
we do all that, and we get through that boom
no righter strike Actor straight AI that totally rewrote movie making.
I mean, it's what what what used to be a
multi billion dollar industry, recession proof industry, is now hanked.

(02:45:37):
My twenty five year career is done. And not only
was I being stabbed in aback here in a red
state because I'm a I'm a outspoken.

Speaker 7 (02:45:46):
Liberal chick working in a man's world here in the South.

Speaker 18 (02:45:52):
It's tough that, I mean, I was. I was a
part of my own downfall because I was. I'm not
mega and I will never be. But so since all
that happened, it's.

Speaker 7 (02:46:05):
Just I just fell in it.

Speaker 18 (02:46:07):
It's not safe anymore to go out. You know, they've
made it where you know they can have they you know,
they've made it where we're the bad guys, the liberal
lunatic left. It couldn't be further from the truth. You're
the ones that are creating the chaos, creating the problems.
And they're saying you're the stem of it. And while
they're keeping everybody hypnotized, and you're the two best inventions,

(02:46:31):
the Bible and the smartphone, this is what's keeping everybody chained.

Speaker 7 (02:46:35):
This is what it's doing. They we love nothing more.
And this in your last caller.

Speaker 18 (02:46:40):
I'm sorry, I don't remember this game because I'm you know,
this is nobody wants to listen to me because I'm
a bummer, because I talked about this, because this.

Speaker 7 (02:46:49):
Is real, this is now, this is this is like,
this has to stop now, and what do you do?
And A I said this is dire and it freaked
me out.

Speaker 18 (02:46:58):
I couldn't believe it's actually really in my opinion, giveing
me an honest answer, And it said, uh, watch.

Speaker 2 (02:47:05):
Out, okay, okay, you wait, wait, hold on. This is
this is very important. This is very important.

Speaker 7 (02:47:13):
Please, thank you, and I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:47:15):
You're okay, You're okay, You're okay, You're okay. This is
why we talk to each other if we can. You're okay,
You're okay. This is very very important, though. I have
to make this point for not just you, for me,
for everybody else.

Speaker 4 (02:47:26):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:47:27):
It does not matter what AI says. It doesn't know.

Speaker 18 (02:47:32):
I'm not concentrated on AI. I know what's happening to
our country right now. Our rights are people.

Speaker 2 (02:47:37):
Hold on you. But you said that AI said it
was dire, okay, So I'm just I'm I'm just trying
to describe to you like, try and decouple whatever a
large language model says, because that is part of that manipulation.
And I'm not I'm not disagreeing wait wait, hold on,
and I'm not disagreeing with you on any I'm not
disagreeing with you on any of that stuff. Like it's
it's it is very political Leani here there, but but look,

(02:48:01):
it is your lived experience, and it's brutal, and it's
not just happening to you.

Speaker 1 (02:48:05):
It's no.

Speaker 7 (02:48:05):
Don't you think it's dire right now? What's going on?
How they're dreaming Ali Jeter Auschwitz? What's going on? It
is dire.

Speaker 2 (02:48:13):
Hold on. It is dire in the sense that what's
happening to you right now and you describe to me
you are I'm actually.

Speaker 18 (02:48:23):
I'm in I'm worried about the immigrants. I'm worried about
now the thing that they put on our homeless people.
What they didn't that new mandated thing that he stold
everybody with the signature because he's so proud he can write.

Speaker 7 (02:48:35):
His name attack the homeless. Now, what that did is
that opened the door for the rest of us.

Speaker 2 (02:48:42):
Okay, it is wait wait, wait, hold on, hold on,
hold on, I'm thinking about what's happening to you. Okay,
All the rest of that stuff right now is noise.
What's happening to you, I'm saying in this conversation, we
and you because because because this is wide range, left
and right, sideways and upside down and turn all stuff complex.

(02:49:04):
But hold on, Yes, what you're describing is happening to
you in this moment, twenty five years of a career
that just got flushed down the toilet. Guess what, Yes,
guess what. I'm sorry for that that sucks. It's about
it's about to happen to all of us, is my point,
and it's a good point for everybody else out there.
It's a good point for everybody else out there to

(02:49:24):
recognize the world is changing incredibly quickly, and this is
the first wave of these types of stories that are
going to inundate us over the next couple of years. Yes,
it's very part of that.

Speaker 7 (02:49:34):
Weed out too. I'm a part of that weed out
to all.

Speaker 18 (02:49:37):
Those you know that most of the people that they
fired and got rid of and just deleted no notice,
most of those people were veterans, dude.

Speaker 7 (02:49:46):
The people that are the homeless, most of them are veterans.
It's the most disgraceful thing how we're treating our own countrymen.
We have a trainer in office, and it is incredible.
It's to be getting him the weed out.

Speaker 6 (02:50:01):
Dude.

Speaker 7 (02:50:01):
Do you know too, when I.

Speaker 18 (02:50:02):
Told you how much tax money we bring in, do
you know that the undocumented that they provide nine hundred
billion a year, nine hundred billion, and they don't collect
off of it that goes into our social security.

Speaker 7 (02:50:17):
This is all the reason why they're shipping him out.
They want to ship him out so that we have
a food shortage. They want to skip him out so
that they stop confiming in Social secure. They're trying to
crash social Security. They're trying to crash us. It is dire.
I am this insignificant to the bigger picture, and I
don't understand what people are fucking out. I'm sorry outrage.

(02:50:40):
The only people I've seen, Oh my god, Al Gore,
he actually got a little worked up. I was like, yeah,
how and God bless Bertie? And why did he get
screwed out of that election?

Speaker 2 (02:50:52):
Imagine where we would be right now if he hadn't.

Speaker 7 (02:50:57):
Got screwed out of that. And they're giving it to her.
They shoot her in because of Trump. They knew he
would win. This instant thing. The thing why we keep
doing the movies over and over and over. We are
a fast food society.

Speaker 18 (02:51:09):
We only want what makes us feel comfortable with what
we are familiar with.

Speaker 7 (02:51:14):
You know, we're afraid of change. We're afraid of being
adventurous about doing a new movie.

Speaker 10 (02:51:20):
I know it.

Speaker 7 (02:51:21):
Most of the stuff I worked on was crap and
it is it is.

Speaker 18 (02:51:25):
It's like, you know, give us more the shape of water,
give us more stuff like that, because but you know.

Speaker 2 (02:51:30):
What that does.

Speaker 7 (02:51:31):
That inspires thoughts, That inspires you.

Speaker 18 (02:51:33):
Know, being open minded and like, wow, get breaking out
of that box, out of that shell that they are
trying to keep it all in.

Speaker 7 (02:51:41):
They want everybody on that smartphone. They wanted us in
those homes. And what happened was in that short amount
of time, the earth tried to rejuvenate and it did quickly.

Speaker 18 (02:51:51):
If they're phosphorus back in our waters and we've got
more plugged in dreaming.

Speaker 7 (02:51:57):
That's another thing that kicked me out of my my career.
Dreaming AI and all the strength and every bety going
back to the negotiation board.

Speaker 18 (02:52:05):
But they people, you know, they and they make you think, Okay,
let's give you a let's give you all these gadgets,
let's give you all this all this weird energy around us,
you know, between the sun and all the coronal mass
ejections and stuff going on.

Speaker 7 (02:52:19):
Yeah, we've been having some technical difficulties haut controlled electric blackouts, Uh,
non controlled.

Speaker 18 (02:52:27):
I mean my my Verizon, my cable that was down
for two days. Verizon wouldn't disclose why it's happening everywhere.

Speaker 7 (02:52:35):
And you know, the manipulation of the weather, the electronics.

Speaker 18 (02:52:40):
They want us plugged into that there is a free
thought anymore, because they don't.

Speaker 7 (02:52:45):
Want you thinking.

Speaker 18 (02:52:45):
That's why they keep you going back to the same dinner,
back to the same movie, reread through the same movie.
They're keeping you in that pasting your tail with the
promise you know text, you know, pitch the in you're
never that they'll never fulfilling, that you'll never get and
they fool you into thinking that.

Speaker 7 (02:53:05):
You'll get so tired of.

Speaker 18 (02:53:07):
That winning, you'll get tired of winning. I don't need
your votes anymore.

Speaker 7 (02:53:12):
After after this, it will be fixed. It's all fixed,
you know what, right now? And they say, oh, you know,
we always rebound, dude, this time is this is pretty severe.

Speaker 18 (02:53:25):
It's too late. Even if you do heal from an injury,
sometimes you're walking without a leg a majors, you know
whatever I mean. Looked at once again, back to our
veterans that we don't take care of. Why would we
take why would we shut down planning for veterans and
their support hotlines?

Speaker 7 (02:53:42):
Why would we do all that?

Speaker 2 (02:53:47):
What is your first name, Marisa?

Speaker 7 (02:53:49):
You call me Riss, Marissa, Tommy Ress.

Speaker 2 (02:53:52):
That's my name, Chris, My name is Mike. Look, you're
you're you're preaching to the choir here and we are
we are meandering late into the night in all different times. No, no, no,
hold on me.

Speaker 7 (02:54:04):
And people want to tune out, they can tune out,
but you know.

Speaker 2 (02:54:07):
No, no, hold on, hold on. I just want to
make a point on this is that you're not the
only one hurting, and you're in the right place. You're
absolutely you're absolutely in the right place. And in the
larger context of this conversation, there are some changes happening
that will that will never go back on, and I
don't know what that looks like, Okay, but what has precedent?

(02:54:32):
Please hold on, please, please, let me please. So, so
all that other stuff aside to me, the most important
part of this is we're we're going to turn over
a new economy.

Speaker 7 (02:54:44):
And that oh my god, they're trying to crash.

Speaker 2 (02:54:47):
Wait wait wait wait wait, that by and large minimizes people.
And if we don't do this right, and if we
don't do this right, we have a massive problem on
our hands. And so it's incumbent on us to recognize
what's happening, to vigilant to understand it, and to talk
to each other. So you're definitely in the right place. Okay,
Well yeah, yeah, okay, you know all the rest of

(02:55:10):
that stuff that is way too late the night for
me to even touch any of that. Okay, because we
are we are twenty minutes past. We are twenty minutes
past when we should have ended. So so I'm sorry, fine,
and you're fine, You're welcome.

Speaker 7 (02:55:21):
Actually you can actually please omit my of the end
of the show. I don't. I'm embarrassed, I'm pissed. I'm uh,
I've been.

Speaker 18 (02:55:30):
What I'm saying is is, by virtue of losing my career,
I have been isolated from all this stuff, and I
don't talk to people anymore.

Speaker 7 (02:55:36):
It is, it's safe to talk to people. When I did, I.

Speaker 18 (02:55:39):
Started doing my own polls at work because when the
first election was going on, it was so ludicrous.

Speaker 17 (02:55:45):
I mean.

Speaker 7 (02:55:45):
And this is the other thing. That's why everybody is
such a fan, because he's been the staple.

Speaker 18 (02:55:51):
He's been that comfort food, he's been that creature of comfort.
He was in he's been in everyone's living room way
before he ran for everybody's used to him. Nobody likes new,
nobody likes you know what was the mom already read
on hope, something new, something fresh, you know, boda.

Speaker 7 (02:56:11):
I mean, these are all oh no, that's scary. Something
I don't know about it, scary, I might not like it.

Speaker 18 (02:56:16):
It's like being the one person on that dance floor
and everybody's gonna look at.

Speaker 7 (02:56:20):
You and ridicule you. But once one person goes yeah,
there's usually that rush. But I'm a freak.

Speaker 18 (02:56:26):
I'm a I'm a kid of dead head parents, dead
head hippie parents. I've been ridiculed and bullied my whole up.
I've been that one person that's always been ostracized to
the side, you know.

Speaker 7 (02:56:37):
So yeah, people want to get rid of that. They
don't like truth tellers.

Speaker 2 (02:56:41):
Okay. My point is you are not ostracized, and you
belong here, and you're not here.

Speaker 7 (02:56:46):
This is a safe place. Thank you, And I'm sorry and.

Speaker 2 (02:56:48):
Your frustration is valid, and I'm sorry you can't talk.

Speaker 18 (02:56:52):
About it anywhere, and I'm scared to talk about it.
And on top of that, I've got tons of UFO photos,
tons of video, all this stuff. You wouldn't believe the
stuff I've seen.

Speaker 7 (02:57:03):
I swear to God. Okay, you know that they fly
in and out of the sun.

Speaker 2 (02:57:06):
Yes, I've heard that. Do me a massive favor.

Speaker 7 (02:57:08):
Then, okay, I have the video tons of hours, dude.

Speaker 2 (02:57:11):
Do me a massive favor. Please call back and tell
us about that. Okay, like it is late, it is
late here. We're not going to get into that right now.

Speaker 7 (02:57:18):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:57:20):
Okay, you're okay, the first, first time caller, longtime listener,
and look, we're all scared. And this this is the
point of talking to each other, Okay, recognizing that there
are people out there that will have your back, and
we need to recognize this within each other, within communities
and groups and all the things. And do you continue
to reach out and talk to people. Venting is good
getting these ideas out there.

Speaker 7 (02:57:39):
Want to talk to you here, but I finally worked
up to curse and call y'all. Sorry waiting to the
end of the show.

Speaker 18 (02:57:45):
It's beautiful what you've created. You've created a safe place.
But you know what they are gonna They're infiltrating it all.
They're going to shut it all down.

Speaker 7 (02:57:52):
But the damage is done.

Speaker 18 (02:57:54):
I mean, seriously, I will call back in a later day.
I'm sorry waiting to the end of the show.

Speaker 2 (02:57:58):
That's okay, that's okay. First time callers get special treatment.
Thank you for listening.

Speaker 7 (02:58:03):
Thanks guys, Uh yeah, don't hold it against me. I'd
rather you just omit. You to leave my card.

Speaker 2 (02:58:10):
You're the best. Look forward to talking to were the
rest of the best. Thank you appreciate that. That's a
Casha links over there on Discord. Please go pop in here,
come say hi, uh again. This is this is the
point of this is that, Look, if we don't talk
to each other and get this stuff out, we we
have problems. We have problems together, right, and we can

(02:58:31):
we we can resolve some of these things. It doesn't
always have to be the whatever the powers that be, Like,
especially let's say let's let's uh break it off from
politics entirely and say back to where I started on
this years ago, is saying, look, we don't have to
wait for any government entity to tell us disclosure is

(02:58:53):
here whatever. Like if we have actual sightings ourselves, if
we have actual photos or videos, the these types of things,
they need to get put out there, they need to
get released, and we don't have to wait for anybody
to tell us these things. And it goes fractically through
the political space and all the rest of the zeitgeisten culture.
As we're talking about. All this is very important not

(02:59:14):
to minimize any of that or just not really a
political show. So I don't want to make comments on
any of that stuff typically, but we have, like I said,
one of the most important things in my mind, the
political space is a disaster. It has been for basically
my entire life, getting worse, probably definitely in terms of

(02:59:36):
the last I don't even have to say it, but
I think there's a larger problem here that's in our face.
That is again a Kashi clinks Rissa, thank you for
the call, thank you for the testimony and the story
there and all the stuff. This is going to happen
to all of us and what happens next. There needs

(02:59:57):
to be some sort of smooth transition, and there's not.
We're going to have a big time problem on our hands.
And so pay attention and stay locked in and stay
paying paying mind to your neighbors, paying mind to the
people that need to communicate with human beings, not with
large language models, not with entities from wherever, robots or

(03:00:22):
whatever these things are. People, pay attention. It's incredibly important.
That's my final thought on that. Let's wrap it up.
Thanks for the call, Rissa, nice to meet you, James,
anything on that, And let's rap it well, James has
tapped into these zitgeist once again, So I don't know

(03:00:44):
what the hell happened with that. So let's wrap it's.
It's it's too late to Matthew, it's too late, Bro,
We're not We're not. I'm not taking another call. Uh okay.
So so thank you again for being part of this
with us, guys, Thanks for staying up late, thanks for
caring about the ideas and the conversations. And look, like
I've said in the past, we are this collect like. Look,

(03:01:04):
we are culture like, we are the economy, we are
all of these things that they use in this abstract sense.
We are it, we are part of it. We make
up the constituent components of these things, and so when
they use them against us in this large conglomerate level
sense of ideas, we need to be smarter than that.

(03:01:26):
And Rissa, like I said, I'm sorry to hear all
that stuff. There's a lot happening there, and it's about
to happen to any drivers out there. Yeah, me, guess
what robotaxis are in Austin, Texas. What office workers out there?
YEA many of you, maybe not guess what you're about
to be replaced in the next eighteen months. Entirely, this

(03:01:51):
is a I'm telling you, we're in a space that
is changing so fast, so fast that we've never seen
anything like this. And I don't know the answers. I'm
not going to say that I'm scared. I'm going to
say that I'm concerned. But it is up to us

(03:02:12):
to pay attention, to recognize what is happening and through
the best we can for humanity. And I think it's
apt to bring up a couple quotes here. Margaret Mead
shout out to our good friend Daryl there in New York.
Here's the first one, never doubt that a small group
of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's

(03:02:36):
the only thing that ever has. And the second one
from George Orwell. And these are from memory, So if
I bought them a little bit, I apologize. George Orwell said,
it's not so much staying human. Sorry, it's not so
much stayin alive. That's important. It's staying human. What is
most important is that we do not betray each other.

(03:02:58):
And I think we're coming to this space where we're
going to test these ideas, and that becomes the question,
do you have that in you to do what's best
for you and to do what's best for us? And
of course I'll have all the faith in the world
that that is the truth. Thank you again for staying
up late, thanks for being part of this, Thanks for
the great conversations, and thanks for the ideas. And look,

(03:03:19):
I get it. I understand there's a lot of people
out there that are scared from a lot of things.
There's a lot of things happening in the fractal space,
a lot of information flowing through, a lot of terrible
things happening.

Speaker 11 (03:03:33):
What do we do?

Speaker 2 (03:03:34):
I think. The very first thing is we should not
be afraid. That's the very first thing. Everything else after
that becomes whatever it becomes. Don't be afraid. Please, as
we finish this one, if you want to help trouble minds,

(03:03:55):
help our friends, Sorry about that, James, you spurgd out
again and tapped into the psych does all the weird noise.
If you want to help trouble minds, help our friends,
trouble minds not to work for inside friends of course,
and spread the word. Let people know what conversation is happening. Well,
we're not going to tell you to vote for and
we're going to talk about larger contextual spaces. And yeah,
thanks for being part of this. As we finish, it

(03:04:16):
goes exactly like this. This one's for Arissa. If you're
out there still listening, be sure, be strong, be true,
Thank you for listening. From our trouble minds to yours.
Have a great night,

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