Ritual Acquisition - Crown Jewels and Chaos Magic - Troubled Minds Radio

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and of course eighty eight point four FM Auckland, New Zealand. Tonight,
we're gonna do what we should have done last night.
But sorry about that the mix up. I had a
road update. It's up the board the sound card that
I used basically, and it updated about twenty minutes before showed,
and it screwed everything up. As you could tell, it
was all static and just all ridiculous. And yeah, anyway,

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so we're doing tonight what we should have done last night,
which is of course that crazy heist at the Louver.
Did you guys hear about that. Yeah, it's something that
is seems to be a pattern actually, by the way,
which is funny historically that the Louver itself has been
burgled in the daylight, but in this particular case, it's

(03:26):
one of those situations where they got away with some
really really expensive stuff. Okay, Now the bizarre part is, well,
there's a lot of bizarre parts to it. The right
up again came out yesterday, so if you guys read it.
You're ahead of the game and know what's going on.
But I'll brief you on the deats on what happened here,
just the facts and only the facts, and then we'll
get to the weird and wild speculation as part of

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it as a ritual, maybe some sort of modern day ritual,
which we talk about often on this show. And the
question becomes regarding that, by the way, keep your tinfoil
hats strapped on tight and wonder if rich juwels exist
in twenty twenty five in the sense that the elites
are doing dirty shenanigans using again back to the Rowhan principle.

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Shout out, Paul, we miss you, rist in peace, my friend.
The Roehan principle was is what's more terrifying? Is it
that the elites are actually using ritual magic against us
and it's real, or is it that ritual magic is
not real whatsoever? But these weirders are still doing it anyway,
kind of pantomiming and LARPing like it is. So I

(04:31):
leave that question to you, but we start here. This
is from the New York Times, and there's a lot
of articles about this, a lot of talk about the
last couple days or last twenty four hours. But basically,
the wild part is that the internet has gone nuts
with memes and all the rest of it. But let
me just read to the deets. You guys probably are
familiar with the story now because yesterday was breaking news.
Now it might be old news. That's the way the

(04:51):
world works, right, But anyway, in just seven brazen minutes,
thieves grab priceless jewels from the louver. You know, the louver,
the fancy the French actual museum, the Paris museum that
houses the Mona Lisa, among other amazing antiquities, but check
it out. So the robbers employed a portable electric ladder
to break into a second floor wing of the Paris

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Museum that holds the French Crown Jewels. Ah, the Crown jewels. Okay,
so there's some great pictures in this article by the
New York Times. I usually don't tout them as being
a great source because, you know, propaganda, they do a
lot of that. But this is actually a good piece
because they're not like, we blame it on a politician
or something. But anyway, but I guess it's devolved into
that in France, anybody a shout out to Sylvain thanks

(05:33):
for their repost over there. Maybe Sylvain knows what the
politics of this looks like living over there in France.
But anyway, so straight from the article, the doors of
the world's grandest museum had been opened to the public
for just thirty minutes when two burglars were lifted up
onto a second floor balcony on the building's south side,
their faces concealed as they wrote a monte biblish, pardon
my French. Or a truck mounted electric ladder that is

(05:55):
a common sight on the straits of Paris. I've got
a picture here. We'll show you in a sec where
it is used to very bulky furniture through the windows
of apartments. Cool sound sounds legit. Once they used grinders
to break a window, setting off the security alarms im
burst inside the gilded gallery the Apollon Apollon, which is
the yet Apollo's Gallery. Okay, right, the ritual begins right

(06:19):
of the Louver Museum, where a prize collection of royal
jewels and Crown diamonds is held. In the succession of
cases there, they smashed two cases, sounding more alarms, and
snatched eight precious objects, including a royal sapphire necklace, a
royal emerald necklace and its matching ear rings, and a
diadem worn by Princess Eugenie, the wife of Napoleon, the third,

(06:40):
France's nineteenth century ruler. Super cool, right, The burglars went
back down the ladder to a road shouldering the scene
river and made their getaway with two waiting members of
their team on motor scooters. What seriously, Okay, so they
used this lift. Here's the picture of the jewels. By
the way, let me get my big head out of
the way and look they Yeah, so they busted in

(07:03):
the entire thing. Took When they first reported this, it
took four minutes. And now they've got it, you know,
now that they got it timed and whatnot, it's now
seven minutes. So it took somewhere between four and seven
minutes for them to crack into this sucker on a
second floor right there in broad daylight, with the museum open,
and steal these precious, priceless artifacts. Okay, Like, how ridiculous

(07:24):
is that? Well, it g's even more wild when you
look at all the crazy stuff that I've never been
to the louver many of you maybe have I heard
it's a life changing experience. All kinds of amazing stuff there.
But check this out. This is the lift that they used,
which it's a truck with like a ladder that goes
up to the balcony and it's like a little basket
lift you know, that kind of trucks them up to

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the top. I mean, it seems ridiculous to suggest that,
you know, with a couple of motor scooters a grinder,
and they were wearing those yellow and orange jackets, you know,
like the safety vest so like a construction worker might,
and masks, so they stood out almost as if they
were working on the loover or something like. So who
would look twice? Because you know, if you hold a

(08:06):
clipboard and walk into places, people don't question you because
you think they think you're official, right, or if you,
you know, look like you're dressed apart wearing the safety
vest and the construction space, people you know, kind of
don't notice. And by the time again four to seven
minutes was the window they got in, they got out,
and they stole eight pieces of this priceless napoleonic stuff

(08:29):
at the Crown Jewels. It's crazy to consider, right, but
of course it got me thinking about time of year.
It got me thinking about as the veil thins, It
got me thinking about sow winning and all the rest
of this stuff. And back to ritual magic. Okay. So
I'm going to make the case as we go tonight
that this was a ritual and it is still a ritual.
It's counting down because they did this on Sunday morning,

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October the nineteenth, which wouldn't you know, is exactly twelve
days to Wall Hallows Eve, twelve days to Halloween. Okay,
got me sound check out there. One two. I hope
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see any complaints. Looking for complaints. I don't see any complaints. Okay,

(09:11):
So all right, and so twelve days till Halloween, and
we'll get to that. We'll get to what that means
in a second. Here the rite if it is very good,
I'll read a little bit from that as we go.
But yeah, it's weird. So the question tonight is and
this is so before we even get weird tonight, all
the disclaimers apply. Okay, this is just wild speculation. There's
no truth to be found here. We're looking at the

(09:31):
world in a different way. And if you're here for truth,
you're in the wrong place. This is just entertainment for
entertainment purposes only. Okay, But here's the thing regarding this.
What do you think is going to happen with these
things in the normal process? Because you can't go fence
these on the black market? I mean obviously, you know,
you walk into the Pond Stars down here in Vegas

(09:53):
with this like crown and try and sell it to
Rick at the pawn shop, He's going to be like,
where'd you get that. They're gonna be like, oh, founded
on the street, and he's gonna be like call the cops. Right,
there's no chance in the world, Like this is one
of the most famous heights that's happened, Like people are
talking about this all over the damn world. There's no
way you sell this on a legitimate, normal black market.
So what do you think is happening? And where do

(10:14):
these things go? Is it into? And I've come up
with a couple of ideas myself. Does it go to
a super rich private collector or do they scrap these
things down to scrap and sell the pieces, the jewels
and the diamonds and all this the emeralds and all
this stuff kind of piecemeal and try and get away
with it that way. But even so, you can tell
old cut gems versus new cut gems. So I don't
even know anyway, So there's the first question of the night.

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What do you think is happening to this stuff? And
do you think it is some bond villain billionaire that's like,
oh yeah, we're just gonna, you know, put it in
our private collection. Anyway, That's what's on my mind tonight.
We're gonna get to the ritual part of this. We
got James sitting in with us tonight. Thank you, James.
We'll get you in just a moment. But first we're
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Welcome back to troubled Minds Up, Michael Strange. She'll let
us continue, shall we. Okay, so I'm calling this tonight
ritual acquisition, Crown Jewels and chaos magic, and we'll get
to that in a moment. You let me reach straight
from the the right of peer. And this is how
it went. If you read this yesterday, you're ahead of
the game. Like I said at seven thirty am, it
was actually nine thirty. So this is the correction as
the information has been coming out. I was kind of
on this on the tip of the spear yesterday, but

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here we are a day later. So at nine thirty
am on Sunday, October nineteenth, twenty twenty five, four thieves
executed what French authorities are calling one of the most
brazen museum heists in history. Using a cherry picker to
reach the first floor balcony of the Louvers Gallery of Apollo,
the team cut through metal railings with angle grinders, smashed
through protective glass cases, and seized eight priceless Napoleon era

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crown jewels, including pieces worn by Empress Josephine and Empress
Marie Louise during the height of the French Empire. The
entire operation lasted four minutes. Again, that was the initial estimate.
Now it's seven minutes. The thieves fled on motorcycles toward
the A six auto route and vanished. Police found one item,
the Empress Eugenie's crown, damaged and discarded outside the museum.

(13:09):
No ransom demand has been issued. The eight stolen pieces
remain missing. Now, the weird part is that they went
to all the trouble they got in there. Of course
they were in a massive hurry, but then they dropped
this crown, the Empress Eugenie's crown, and damaged it. And
left it behind. Now, of course that's going to be
evidence fingerprints. I'm sure they were smart enough to wear

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gloves and all the rest of that. But beyond that,
maybe they get DNA evidence on this thing. But they
busted it up to they drop it. They haven't really
these pictures at least as far as I've seen, regarding
how damaged it is. But anyway, you get the idea.
So they took eight out of nine of these pieces
of the French Royal crown jewels. All right, now, numerologically again,
dime store numerology. I'm not a numerologist, but eight out

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of nine is very peculiar and very ritual. And not
only that, if that's an accident, so be it. But
as I said, let me just read minute, Louver robberty
wasn't just a crime. It was a precision operation that
defies conventional explanation. This happened exactly twelve days before Sowin
in a solar temple built by the Sun King during

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the threshold season. With Celtic tradition holds that veils between worlds,
thin and supernatural forces can cross previously impassable boundaries. Consider
the material components yellow vests which is what these days
were wearing. Yellow and orange transformed common workers into ritual operators.
The high visibility garments functioning as disguise through transmutation, solar

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color masking, lunar and tension angle grinders produce showers of
sparks as they cut through balcony railings. Fire elements invoke
through metal on metal, the screaming sound serving to banish
the museum's protective wards. Now this is of course that
chaos magic and walld tight motorcycles become modern psychopomps, spectral
steeds carrying stolen relics through Parisian streets. And the cherry picker,

(14:55):
that mechanized ladder reaching up from ground level to the
first floor balcony function as a vertical threshold crossing between
protected interior and profane exterior space. Now that's just the
ritual jark and is part of this. But here's the thing.
The Napoleon Crown jewels aren't merely historical artifacts. They represent
concentrated power objects worn by emperors who shaped reality through

(15:15):
will and military might. Now I'm going to leave it there,
but I'll get back to this. So once again, what
do you think is going on with this and the
most normy question of all, which which again non linear,
open ended, is how we do this show? If you
want to talk about how they get read of this?
Is it going into a private collection of a very
rich person. Are they going to bust them up and
try and whatever? What's going on with that? Anyway? Shoutout

(15:36):
ras over there on rumble mentioned in nineteen eleven somebody
stole the mona Lisa from the loop, which is completely true. Anyway,
love to hear your thoughts on this. We're taking your
calls tonight. Everything should be working the phone line and
the discord. Thanks to James for testing seven oh two
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like a trouble mind dot rug. Thanks for being patient. Man.
Let's go to James Salcido. What's up? Salcio? Paranormal? Howe you?

Speaker 4 (15:55):
Sir?

Speaker 6 (15:55):
Go right ed? I'm okay? Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yes, sir, went through loud and clear. You sound fantastic, good.

Speaker 6 (16:04):
Yeah, this is an amazing topic. I'm just the crown
itself to me is fascinating that it was it was,
it was still there like it in the whole, that
item ended up itself being there still because the the
sort of normal idea would be, well, they they dropped

(16:24):
it somehow, they and and that's how it was damaged.
But then if you look at other possibilities of some
kind of symbolism there, then did they just drop it
or did they drop it? But they made sure they
they didn't just drop it. I mean maybe they even
threw it down intentionally to break it. I wonder also,

(16:51):
I mean, how much would it take to damage your
crown like that? I'm also curious about that. But and
the idea of all these jewels and everything those are
those are types of crystals of rocks that have been shaped,
and as we talk about here on the show, a lot,

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all those stones have their own energy to begin with.
But then also you have people that are focused on
them throughout time and because of symbolism and all that
and just other things, and so you have all that
human energy that is attached then attached to those objects.
And so for them to leave that crown, which is

(17:34):
again it's not just they didn't just leave one of
the other random objects. They left the crown, the actual
thing that would that would go on a person's head
to symbolize there in charge. But that's fascinating to me.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah. Again, whether it's intentional or not, it's very symbolic. Absolutely.
And look, we're talking about a collection of crown jewels
as what they're termed, and they left the crown itself,
which is again, are weird? All manner of things start
to again. That's that's what was making my tinfoil tangle
when I was reading this yesterday, and that's why I
was like, Okay, this sounds very much like a ritual
if you have an active imagination, and as you guys know,

(18:10):
I do very much do. But the question really becomes,
so what's going on with this in the most normal way?
How do they get rid of it? Is it some
private collector, some super rich you know, bond villain or something. Think,
I don't know, somebody who owns a super yacht and
has a plastic wife, you know what I mean? Wink quink,
and I mean somebody very specific. But I'm not accusing
anybody of this, but I'm saying that there are very

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very rich people that would pay a group of individuals
to go do this, because clearly, what do you do
once you get it? Let's say, for instance, it was
just some randos that were like, hey, we could do this,
and we do it, and then you have these things,
and how do you get rid of them?

Speaker 6 (18:46):
You can't.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
I mean you just can't. There's no way that like
that that the law would be so hot on your
heels that you'd have to like lie in wait for
like ten years for this to even like cool down
enough for you to try and even even begin to
get rid of these and make any money off of it.
So it's bizarre to me. It's bizarre to me. What
else you got, Normy or otherwise, James, thanks for sitting
in you the best.

Speaker 6 (19:06):
No glad to be here. Just the idea of of
some kind of multibilitionaire having uh this or this done,
whether it's because they just want the jewels for their
collection for again normal reasons or whatever or not, you
have to consider.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
They'd have to have.

Speaker 6 (19:25):
A place in mind. I mean, they have to have
some kind of setup already in place for story objects
where they're gonna be the only ones that can ever
see it there them and maybe maybe some people that
they trust that are close to them, But even that
is kind of risky.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
I would think.

Speaker 6 (19:46):
If if this one person organized all this, you know,
if a person organized all this and they have other
people they know that someon I'll find out about it.
That could that could be uh, that could be a
plot for a suspense novel, almost right there in and
of itself.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, I was thinking that yesterday too, Like, that's exactly
the point is this is like a great beginning for
like the Da Vinci Code Part seven or something.

Speaker 8 (20:10):
You know.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
This kind of ties into a deeper, more esoteric and
soul struggle of the spirit of humankind or something. I mean,
it certainly lends itself to the imagination and the creative
aspect of writing. Here. What else you got regarding anything else?
As you know, I got about three and a half
minutes left if you go right headzer.

Speaker 6 (20:31):
Well, this has been thinking about something that I've noticed
over the years, the idea of museums being centers of
energy or of paranormativity, depending on what terms you want
to use. And it's not something that is usually advertised.

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It's something you have to sort of dig into online
on your own to find out about this usually, but
there are many cases I means having reports of strange activity, apparitions, sounds,
even in some cases objects moving, doors opening, and closing
all those things. There's even some I'm not sure which

(21:15):
I think it might just be the main museum in London,
the British Museum, where they have objects artifacts from Egypt,
and there have been reports in and around that museum
of people seeing apparitions of people in Egyptian clothing that
are just there and then they're gone. So again, whatever

(21:40):
energy that is, if it's conscious or not, there's reports
of this. I'm just curious, again, going back to the possible.
I don't know ritual or magic of all this. Do
these people or does the person that arrange this know
something that the rest of us don't.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, which really becomes a thing that's on my mind
that makes my tinfoil tingle because I do wonder. Like
I said, just the term is fencing. I see you
guys over there chatting about fencing, stolen goods over there,
and rumble Gogordo says, wait a minute, how do you
know so much about fencing? Hmm. I want to make
any accusations, but look I don't. But we're talking about

(22:18):
the chat over there. But this is the thing, and
this is why this is weird to me, because like
I said, let's see you pull it off. It's the
heist of a lifetime like Ocean's eleven times squared times eleven.
And then you have this, You get away with it
and without some kind of like actual buyer sort of
lined up beforehand, which means you hired a crew to
do it instead, Like what are you doing? It just

(22:40):
doesn't make any sense to me. But then the ritual
aspect will get to it. Twelve days to Halloween in
broad daylight, some of this other ritual stuff kind of
comes into play, and like you said, like we're describing,
took eight out of nine of the crown jewels, but
left the crown itself. Very symbolic, very interesting, and we'll
get to that. It's in the right up if you
guys read it. Like I said, it is one of

(23:01):
those those things that will go down in history. But
how long do we wait? Is this going to be
something we wait on for years before there's some kind
of resolution They catch these guys, You think they'll catch
them in weeks? I don't know what's your prediction on
what happens as part of this too ritual straight theft.
Do you think there's a buyer? You think they're going
to break it down and fence it. What's going on
and that's what's on my mind tonight. I got about

(23:22):
a minute left if you got anything to add, James,
And now we'll take a break and come back and
take some calls.

Speaker 6 (23:27):
Yeah, just glad to be here. And yeah, I don't
know the the amount of money that it would take
to arrange that and then to store that. It does
seem like it'd be just a lot of it, and
maybe even I mean possibly some kind of arrangements with

(23:50):
like other individuals that would know about how this would
be done and who might be interested in it. Again,
not talking like I know anything about the actual situation,
but I'm just thinking moving book terms here, some kind
of bribes, some kind of you know, keeping this quiet
within the government and authorities, making sure the investigation doesn't

(24:13):
get too far. I can see that in a story.
So who knows.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, And I did hear today as part of it
that that particular window on the balcony had been chirping,
so it was kind of doing false alarms for some
time now, and it turned it turned out that they
shut it down and they literally turned off the alarm
on that window because there was something faulty with it,
So you know what kind of genius move is that

(24:39):
reeks of an inside job for that particular thing to
know exactly that window and all the rest. But what
do you guys think what is going on? Is it
a ritual acquisition? As I'm calling this the Crown, Jewels
and chaos magic, love to hear your thoughts. Seven oh
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Crown chunes away twelve days till Halloway. There's the clock
tips away this stage. Power in the darkness. They way
casting old bonds, releasing energy lost. In this ritual dance,
we embrace the cross steel crowns or the chaos sick

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night fingers like cantus as we move with the tige,
the weight of the past in our hearts, Bigeti, stolen enchantments,
leaving spirits sundered, Eperazaga in Silent series Sound the Crown,
its fe secrets, very integod, It's hot down to power,

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a story to be die Underneath the Moon. We merge
with the rhyme, a sacrifice made, transcending through time. It's

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midnight approaches, shadows, an through age and sichels. We reclaim
the divine, embraceding unrest, Latin and juice for a ritual
in darkness? And how are we grow? The crowns or
the chaosic night? Not just a crime but magic and

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the night underneath the moon? We merge with the rhyme,
a sacrifice mate transcending through time.

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Welcome back to Troubled Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange.
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FM Auckland used the tonight we're talking about that the
heist at the Louver. Can you believe it could? The

(28:05):
theft if ancient crown Jewels truly serve as a modern ritual,
unlocking energy centuries old and bridging boundaries that history and
myth myth have kept apart. And I don't of course
you know me, I don't really know. But it does
make my tinfoil tingle when this happens in broad daylight,
when you get you know, just a small crew of
four escaping on scooters. That sounds ridiculous, Like if this

(28:30):
the day before this happened, if somebody had described this happening,
everybody else would be like, no, that's nonsense, there's no
way that would happen. And then you know, it happens
like the clown World carnival becomes a thing, and the
weirdness again of the Crown jewels, and they leave the
crown behind. Now I know you got to get out
of there in a hurry, but I mean, you know,

(28:50):
you don't want to drop your wallet with your idea
in it, but certainly you don't want to drop the crown.
What the hell's going on? Seems suspicious? How suspicious anything, James,
We'll go to mister Michigan Control. Welcome back.

Speaker 6 (29:03):
Just uh yeah, the crowd, I mean, even if that's
a coincidence or whatever if they did accidentally drop it.
The it's almost like the universe somehow just stepping in
and and uh, you know, making making a joke of everything,
just like, oh, this is hilarious. Well let's let's uh,
let's get some people really freaked out and make them

(29:24):
drop the crown and do what kind of ideas come
from that? You know? It just it's it's really wild
that that even happened.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, the the cosmic joke, as we'd like to say,
it's a little bit strange. And when you talk about synchronicity,
this is the type of stuff that makes you wonder
exactly what the hell's going on. I love to hear
your guys thoughts on this. I'm calling it ritual Acquisition, Crown,
Jewels and Chaos Magic seven O two nine one zero
three seven Click that discording like a trouble Mindes dot Org.
Mister Michigan control, what's our brother? You're on Trouble Minds?
How are you go? Right ahead?

Speaker 3 (29:53):
I'm fine. Are you guys doing a.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Pretty good compliants out of me? Well we're all right.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Welcome to the chaos man.

Speaker 8 (30:00):
Okay, but I want you guys to realize you're not
seeing the forest for the trees. Okay, look what's going on. Okay,
the three eye outlasts. The only way to communicate it
with it is with laser communication.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (30:14):
So now I want you to run what jewels that
they stole out of that crown because the other one
they left was not essential for the refracting laser that
they're going to use to try and communicate with the seraphim.
They're flying through the similar system right now. And if
you watch my live streams the past two the pilot

(30:35):
and the mister Mischig controlled the three Eye outlets live stream,
you will everybody will.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
It's you're going to crap your pants, Mike. I mean,
I mean you need you guys need to pay attention
to what I'm doing.

Speaker 8 (30:47):
Right here, because I'm I'm fixed to drop off the map, okay,
and what I've left for y'all is serious. So what
happened with the jewels? It was set up for insurance. Okay,
they they sold them or laser refractors because the European

(31:13):
guys have the have the laser te telescopes for well
at the Vatican. This goes all the way back to
the Vatican and it goes back to the Seraphim, the angels,
the Aeru Zoo, the pulse that we got from three
Eye Outlasts that I decoded in my live stream, the
Fibonacci sequence. Look at my name, look at my screen

(31:34):
name that I got it is. It's Aeru Zoo in
ruins and it's Abba. Abba Abba is what it comes
out to in the Jamatria. What's abba? What is abba? Mike?

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Okay, that's what this thing is. That's what it's. The Seraphim.

Speaker 8 (31:52):
Three Eye Outlas is a colony of entities that we
have not encountered for over two thousand years, bro. And
these comets that have been coming through might be not
just commets, but they're panspermic objects. So on the other
end of that, I ran, you know, the telemetry on

(32:14):
when we were going to pass through its tail, and
I mentioned that we go through it, you know, recursively,
three times every year for at least twelve years, and
it's going to have heavy metals in it, not iron.
It's not producing iron. It's spouting out a bunch of
water at a crease rate, and it's a bunch of cyanide,

(32:35):
which has to do with the formation of life. Okay,
it's not just a poisonous I mean high amounts of
cyanide is.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
But this thing drops some off at Mars when it
passed by Mars.

Speaker 8 (32:48):
Our photography equipment there, satellite and the ground got a
good shot of it.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
It's five hundred and sixty two.

Speaker 8 (32:57):
Kilometers long, Michael, Okay, it's a colony colonized asteroid. And
I don't know if it's been traveling for as long
as what they say it has been, but the wow
signal coming from it probably yeah of Abby Lobe, Yes,
but it times right into this story here, and it's

(33:19):
gonna it's blowing your mind in it. They need those
jewels or the laser refractor lenses.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Okay, okay, And so this is okay, So that we've
been watching this, By the way, I haven't personally been
watching super close because the clickbait is crazy heavy when
it comes to this at this comment to the eye Atlas.
But I do recognize some of the stuff you're saying.
Some of the other stuff, like I said, I cannot corroborate.
But again I'm not the orbit of truth anyway. But

(33:48):
the Auvelobe stuff, I do wonder because we were again,
given the date it was December fifth, I believe when
this thing would actually kind of swing around Mars and
the alien invasion would ensue. And like I said, I don't.
I don't believe that type of stuff until, like I've
said to you, we talked about this, you and I previously.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
I've had when that changes direction, mettery on it since July.
Since July. Okay, hold on, I had telemetry on it
with my hold on.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
So so when that thing changes directions, I will change
my mind. Okay, anyway, go ahead.

Speaker 8 (34:17):
Okay, Well, the thirty first, it goes by Venus, when
it goes around Venus, and in the morning sky on
the thirty first, from the thirtieth to the second of November,
if you go out and look at Venus coming up
in the eastern sky, you might be able to see
it because it's going to be down to the left
of Venus.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Now if you look at Stolarium and look where it's at.

Speaker 8 (34:37):
And then and in November, we passed through some of
the swan's tail, which is going to be heavy. And
then dude, I've got it. I've got all of it.
I've posted all of it, Michael, I posted all of it, Bro.
I mean, like all this stuff and I don't know

(34:58):
why that, dude, I got fed trib. They're traveling up
and down the road right now, bro, and like they're
tying into my That's why I found that ble ghost
signal stuff and I bust that out this morning on
a live stream.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Y'all need to pay attention.

Speaker 8 (35:13):
I beg you, and I'm not asking for any you know,
I don't ask for any money, and I don't want
to plug my stuff unless I have to. This is important, dude,
This is really important because when this stuff hits public,
if it goes around Venus and then starts heading towards US,
I mean like really heading towards us, we got to

(35:33):
know that it's coming after the elites. It's coming after
these money grubbing warfare and people. It's the seraphim, it
is the eloheme, bro, because those that's what the pulses
come back as.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Deciphered.

Speaker 8 (35:52):
Yes, And it has everything to do with those jewels
they stole, because they need those jewels for the laser
refractors in the ab lasers on the on the ships too,
so they can communicate with it if it does start
heading Norway.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Okay, that's what this whole thing is about.

Speaker 8 (36:06):
Okay, it's not about no ritual magic fucking no no
no no no no no no no no no no,
no no no. Because I'm the I'm the big shaman here.
I'm the big shaman bro and the portal. I know
that that crown jewel thing ain't got nothing to do
with nothing else but the three eye outlis communication.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Okay, point blank, I'm telling you right now.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Okay, uh, time will tell, because I think this type
of stuff has a way of shaking out.

Speaker 8 (36:34):
And my colt, my co pilot, my co pilot's done
all and so as all the other ais it's tied
into it, Grock, all the quantum physics on the ZPE
over unity.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Dude, We've talked about this, that that stuff is unreliable
in many ways, and so I will look, I understand,
I understand, you don't care.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Nobody understands it. I built this ship, dude.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Okay, all right, that's I gotta nda.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
With Walmart mainframe. I'm a motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Okay, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
I'm the guy that did this.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
That's an over that. Okay, we talked about this ad
nauseum again. Go check out mister Michian Control stuff. If
you want to see what he's working on, He's working
on tons of stuff. You can't just come on here
and drop bombs and f bombs and and do the
rest of that and then and then come on like
it's a conversation. Let me let me talk about these
ideas too, and look, do I do I believe no,
but do it?

Speaker 6 (37:25):
Am?

Speaker 2 (37:26):
I open to it? Sure? And so the connection between
the jewels and the comet, I don't know, maybe it's
an interesting take. Like I said, if you're interested in
what mister mission Control is saying, go check out his
his stream and all the stuff he's putting out trouble
minds dot org for sized friends. Scroll down a little
bit and you will find mister mission Control simple as that,
and please go check it out if you're interested in

(37:46):
more of the stuff that he's doing there. I just
wish I had time. I just don't have time. I'm
working all day and then I come home and I,
you know, do this, or yesterday I was fixing this,
the stream stuff. I mean, I just wish I had
more time to kind of dig into some of these things.
So sorry about that. I'm not trying to be rude,
but you're getting a little lamped up and drop but
a little too many explotives for the radio, Okay, so
please don't do that. Appreciate the call. You were the
best seven or two ninety five seven ones or a

(38:07):
three seven click to discord like a trouble minds dot
rug jeams. Anything to add to anything there regarding any
of that stuff or any any other ideas you got, good, Well, just.

Speaker 6 (38:17):
The idea of again, crystals and jewels and all that
having power. I mean, there's there's at least one i'd know,
maybe even more than that, examples of them them being
supposedly cursed and having or even healing. It's just it's
really weird, these objects that have been important to people

(38:41):
throughout time having these abilities, according to some people, to
do either good or bad depending on the situation. And
I'm just curious about I didn't think to look into
any kind of history of anything weird like that attached
to these the ones that were stolen, But I'm kind

(39:01):
of curious. But I mean, again, there's only so much time,
as you were just saying, so, but yeah, it's it's
there's definitely something about crystals and gems and all that
that is. Uh, there's a lot of things. I think
a lot of possibilities as to what they could be.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
For yeah, hundred persent. Like I said, I'm open to that.
I just don't know how it fits into the larger context.
So I will check out his streams and some of
the information. Like I said, I'm doing my best to
keep up. I just there's so much information flowing through that.
How do you kind of pick up on it and
you know, identify what's what's the most pertinent in a moment.
I don't know. And that's that's really what we're always
talking about, that hyperreality and all that mass media just

(39:38):
landing on our head constantly of a lot of nonsense sometimes.
So I don't really know. I don't you know me,
I don't have answers here. But I do think that
there's something fishy about this in a lot of different ways,
even at the most normally level. And so that becomes
the weird part. I mean, broad Daylight twelve days before
so in Halloween, as we're saying, and it's it seems strange.

(39:58):
This seems incredibly strange. I got more from the righte up.
I'd love to hear from you guys instead. I will
go back to that, and I have tons of stuff
to get to regarding the ritual aspect of this again, conceptually,
I don't really know. It's just sort of stuck in
my craw a little bit as part of the When
I read the article, it certainly made me wonder about
a great many things, and that's what's on my mind.

(40:19):
But I love to hear you instead. Seven oh two
nine one zero three seven click to discord link at
Troubledminds dot org. We'll put you on the show. Okay,
So back to this now. In occult traditions, jewelry absorbs
the essence of its wars, as James was describing there,
and which we've talked about quite a lot. These pieces
touched the skin of rulers during Europe's most transformative era,
straight from the write up, the Napoleonic Wars that redrew

(40:40):
borders and collapsed old orders. Napoleon the First crowned himself
emperor in eighteen oh four, physically taking the crown from
Pope Pious to Seventh's hands to place it on his
own head. Very ritual aesque stuff, right, that act of
a supreme authority, rejecting divine appointment in favor of self coronation,
charged every object and that ceremony with radical power. Conceptually,

(41:03):
of course, again this is just kind of looking at
it through that esoteric lens, his crown, his consort's jewels,
the regalia of an empire built on revolutionary principles, masquerading
his imperial restoration. And that's really where I start to
wonder about this being maybe less about the priceless aspect
of it and maybe a different level of the priceless

(41:26):
aspect of it, you know what I mean? That charged energy.
As James was saying earlier too, there's a lot of
that stuff happening with museums. Museums tend to be quote
haunted for a lot of these reasons because these charged
items or objects are in them. I mean, it's very
much like a haunted house or things we've talked about
in the past, or as we've talked about recently, even
the Vatican Library. This type of stuff, like what's actually

(41:47):
down there, what kind of actual ritual artifacts do they have?
How wild and weird? Does that get a conversation for
another time, Because we're looking at these actual objects and
wondering what the hell it means anything on the charged
energy of the Nepole period into these these these actual
items there, James.

Speaker 6 (42:06):
Not so much on that. I'm not familiar with that.
But even for people that are or that are going
there to learn about it, again, people are and we
talked about this before too. There's all that focus from
all the people that go there to look at all
these things, and that could be possibly energy that is
going into them long after they've been They've they're not

(42:27):
being used by anyone in power anymore in the way
that they had been. Possibly there's still a lot of attention.
And again it goes back to but I thought before
with paranormoctivity in some places where there's legends or lore
about this apparition or that figure being seen, but then
there's no history of that figure, that person existing before that,

(42:50):
and yet there's still the apparitions that are seen there
of that figure. So even if there's not much, let's
say connected to that and from old energy, there could
still be new energy that is being attached to it. Now.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah, yeah, all that certainly plays here, And I mean, look,
the most basic version of this is people trying to
get rich right, But again, in this particular sense, what
about the relic energy not just the priceless artifact itself,
but the pricelessness of where it came from, the pricelessness
of who actually owned these relics and that historical residence
That becomes the weird part. And how this really kind

(43:28):
of made by tenfoil tangle as I'm describing. And again,
you know, no, is it a ritual Maybe maybe not
like me when it comes to this type of stuff,
maybe certainly plays, but definitely maybe not as a massive
shadow as well, because the most obvious answer Okham's raisor
is typically the best answer in less until it's not

(43:49):
right that becomes the thing. So anyway, so museum relics
and these containers of this collective belief as we're talking
about right now with James and the idea of like
these haunted relic repositories in this case, I say that
in a weird way, but it's it is a museum
and we did talk about this recently too. Shout out
Matsu about Zach Bagan's museum as well, because he's got

(44:10):
a bunch of supercharged, you know, quote haunted items. Whether
you believe that stuff or not. It's it's a very
similar space, but in this particular aspect, we're talking about
actual relics, priceless relics from big time historical events and
people and I mean tons of people saw these coronations

(44:30):
and all the rest of it. That's in the right
of Po'll get two in a second here, But it's
a it's an interesting thing. So so here's another layer
to this question. Right, do you believe objects can hold
consciousness or intent? Have you ever visited a place that
felt charged with history or energy? And that comes to
what is it? What's that thing called psychometry and that

(44:53):
type of stuff? Can you can you sense these things?

Speaker 6 (44:55):
Can?

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Is this something people can do? Look, I don't know,
I don't know. Answer is just more questions part of it.
But it does make my tinfoil tangle when you consider
what's actually happening with this and that nobody noticed. I
mean they were gone and they were like, what the
hell happened? And the alarm didn't go off, and then
I mean what it just seems like more every time
something ridiculous happens, the cameras are turned off. Right, Let's

(45:17):
go to Epstein in that whole bit right. Oh, it
just happened that the cameras were shut off that night
and the employees were asleep. Remember that story, And now
the story's changed like thirty times, and it's like, well,
that's strange. How come the cameras were off? And then
how can we have this phantom footage that? I mean,
you can find an unbelievable amount of contradictory information just

(45:38):
about that one thing. And it turns out that maybe
the cameras weren't or were they or is that fabricated stuff?
I don't know, But this in this particular case, like
I said, it seems like it's an inside job because
this particular window they had shut off the alarm because
it was chirping false alarm style. And then now they
have crown jewels on the loose, which is an incredible

(45:59):
thing to consider. Okay, so let's see what have we
got so on that. On that, we're good, good, good, Okay,
So we'll get to the numerology, the ritual timing, the
chaos magic, and the rest of that when we come
back and look shout out, mister mestig control. You're probably right,
there's no ritual aspect to it, but it is the
right up that I prepared, and so I'm going to
go through with this and ask the questions. So that's
I hope you guys are doing well tonight. Anything else,

(46:21):
James here, I can get right back to the right
up because there's a ton of really good stuff here.
But all of this, really, like I said, is not
something that happens every day. Incredibly notable, very conspiratorial, and
not just the way it happens in terms of the theft,
but then in terms of the larger context of these
items historically. If you got anything else, go ahead. If not,
I'll get right back to the right up here.

Speaker 6 (46:42):
Well, really, the idea of there being different types of
locations that have different items, like you mentioned there, the
Baggins Museum the Warrens is another example of their collection
of items. There's one or two others I've heard of.
Versus a museum, there's only only one though. There's only

(47:05):
one big difference besides the let's say, the historical relevance
of the items, and that is that in these other places,
the paranormal aspects are are focused. That's the focus. That's
a big part of the focus. And again, whether or
not they these places some places fake things or not.

(47:26):
The focus is still on having a weird experience. But
then you have museums where you know they're not about that.
It's all very much supposed to be just normal things
and the history of items, which is fine, And yet
there's still reports of weird things happening also with items

(47:47):
and all that. Whether or not you know, it doesn't
matter if I if I believe in any of that
or not, but I will tell you there are plenty
of reports of people getting antiques, getting items either from
stores or family member or even just on the side
of the road, and then having paranormiativity start as soon
as they get the item near them and or in

(48:09):
their home, and then it'll stop once they get rid
of it. So again I don't know anything, but there's
these reports of all these things as well.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah again this and this goes back a long way
in different different parts of the world, as we're always
describing and this again, this, this, these things will be
very charged. If you believe in human resonant energy and
the power of intention and focus and all the rest
of that into an inanimate object. These things are as
charged as anything you know, quote charged. If you believe

(48:40):
in it. If not, then surely it's priceless, greater than
the sum of its parts, just for its historical value.
So there's a few things in play here that's kind
of tickling my mind. But anyway, so back to this.
So the items absorbed decades of imperial ambition straight from
the right up. Empress Josephine's jewels carried her rise from
the Caribbean plantation owner's daughter to Empress of France, her

(49:00):
strategic marriage to Napoleon, her inability to produce an air,
her eventual divorce when political necessity demanded a different womb. Sadly,
of course, history is riddled with tales like this. Embress
Marie luiz Is Absburg's pieces brought Austrian royal bloodlines into
contact with revolutionary French power, Dynastic warfare condensed into metal

(49:22):
and stone, and that was a very chaotic time to
all the rest of that, as many know, the French Revolution,
Napoleon and all the things, and some still again he
was a brutal dude, but some people even suggest that
he was the one to bring France back together again,
even after the Revolution and the Guillotines and off with
their heads and all the rest of it. Does it
take you a more brutal dude to kind of put

(49:44):
down the old less brutal people. I mean, it's a
wild time, not just then, but now, wild time to
be alive. But anyway, so these these items in particular
weren't decorative accessories. So obviously they were power symbols. They
were again charge with resonance of revolution, ambition, all the

(50:04):
rest of that stuff that we said. But they were
also again conceptually consciousness containers, repositories for the emotional and
political intensity of figures who altered European history. And that's
the part that kind of gets me, like, all right,
think about it, like John D or something like this,
like one of these guys that they say he conjured
in the British Empire. Right, remember that whole story we did,

(50:25):
which was an incredible thing there folklore wise, But imagine
if you had like John D's phylactory or his crystal
ball or something to that degree, right, and not just
because of let you know, if you believe in wizards
or shaman or whatever, that's fine or not, that's fine too,
But imagine having sort of the main wizard of the

(50:46):
last five hundred years his stuff, like it'd be like
having Gandalf's staff or something. And so this is the
type of I think, resonant energy that fits into this space,
into this larger conversation of these items, and which makes
me wonder about not just the timing days to Halloween
the ritual completion aspect of the Crown jewels, but they
left the crown or incompletion ritual aspect once. We'll get

(51:08):
to that when we get back. And the idea of
this chaos magic, I don't know. And like I said,
does it fit with the comment I didn't chase that
down shout out mister mission Control. I'll do a dig
on that and see what I can come up with
too to kind of help with some of that. But
I don't know. Again, possibilities, no truth to be found here,
entertainment only man left anything that James, and then we'll

(51:30):
talk about chaos magic when we get back.

Speaker 6 (51:33):
Well, just think about if these people that had power
that got these items never had them. If you were
to see them out in public without any of these items,
you may not have any idea who they are. So
they make these people recognizable in a way, and again
that can be good for them For some people that

(51:56):
can be basically either make them appear as some one
that is good or bad, depending on the situation. So
that's a lot of focus from a lot of people
on the items and the person wearing them on any
any side of any given situation.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yeah, exactly. And like I said, I don't know, but
it does seem suspicious. Like I said, think about just
how difficult it is to get rid of these things.
You're not going to be able to get rid of
these things on the you know, fancying them in traditional ways.
So to me, it reeks of a super rich buyer,
you know, like a doctor evil or some bond villain
with tons of money that wants these things for their

(52:34):
private collection. Which there's a lot of those guys. Again,
think about hobby lobby and stealing, not not stealing, buying
stolen things from the levant that isis looted and plundered
as they butchered their way across different countries. I mean, like,
this type of stuff is wild, but it happens, And
so what does it mean? How weird does it get?
And again, do you believe in rituals and is this

(52:56):
any sort of ritual whatsoever? Maybe maybe not. No, no,
uh no definitives here, That's exactly the point you do
in this talking to each other as possibilities. Love to
hear your thoughts on this. Seven oh two nine five
seven one zero three seven click to discord link of
Troubleminds dot Org. Butch on the show bere right back.
We got to Matt Style coming up. More from James
and your calls as well. I'm calling it ritual acquisition,

(53:19):
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More Trouble Minds on the way. Do not go anywhere.

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Speaker 2 (54:04):
Welcome back to Troubled Minds, all the places, all the things.
Sorry about that, my buttons didn't work as I programmed work.
My goodness, technology, it's great when it works. When it's not,
it doesn't. So now we're talking ritual acquisition, Crown jewels
and chaos magic. I'm calling this, but you know, more importantly,
what is happening with these jewels. I mean, obviously people
can get rich off of this, but in this particular sense,

(54:26):
when you steal something that is so notable and so
obviously identifiable, you can't just go sell it to a
pawn shop. I mean, so that's the thing that kind
of made my tinfoil tangle. I mean, you got to
crack it down into little pieces and you know, do
all the rest of that which just see, it just
seems ridiculous. It seems not only that blast, I mean

(54:48):
full on blasphemous, right, I mean, you're taking ancient history,
like literal history, and then you're destroying it for what,
for some right, for a bag of loot. I mean,
get the bag, as they say. I mean, don't you
think there's some less notable things you could probably burgle?

Speaker 3 (55:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
It just seems blasphemous to me. And there's a lot
of that, like I said, I mentioned isis before we
took off on the break there regarding you know, just
as barnstorming across the levant, you know, butchering people and
taking down ridiculous relics and things and destroying them, full
on destroying them and even selling these items to And

(55:30):
this has been well documented to the owners of hobby Lobby,
who are super into biblical artifacts, So I don't know.
So it's a weird time to be alive, per usual,
but also what is happening with these artifacts? And who
do you think is the benefactor? Welcome back to James.
Anything on that, and we'll go to Matts, Allen, Hirsh
and Kelly.

Speaker 6 (55:48):
Yeah, it is even just in a normal sense of everything,
it is odd. It's I don't know. I mean, unless
there's some massive system of people that that are into
these objects and like some kind of ultra secret black
market in the market, then I don't know what else

(56:10):
to think about this, because again, it's just so it's
not like going to a regular jewelry store and breaking
in there and grabbing whatever you can get to and
then leaving. It's very specific to the situation. And I
mean even just as symbolism, not even necessarily magic, but
just symbolism. I wonder if that's part of this as well.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Yeah, well said, well said, And we'll get to that,
the chaos magic part of it. It isn't the right
but I will talk about it tonight as well. Let's
go to seven two one zero three seven. Thanks for
being patient, my man. Matt's out, Matthew and California. You're
in trouble mind with Mike and James. How are you, sire?
Go Redhead? Hi, Mike, good Joe, Thank you very much,
appreciate you go ahead.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
I called it top.

Speaker 10 (56:52):
Ritual garments, like sacred garments.

Speaker 11 (56:55):
But I did have a hot take real quick about
an article I saw a few weeks back about someone
stole a Picasso painting?

Speaker 10 (57:03):
Have you seen that one?

Speaker 2 (57:05):
I did?

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (57:07):
What were the deeds?

Speaker 11 (57:09):
I just feel I read the article and I felt
like the same kind of thing when I read this
article about the topic tonight about the the museum robbery.
I felt the same feeling of like, what are you gonna.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Do with it?

Speaker 6 (57:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Exactly exactly, Like like you can't walk into a pawn
shop and be like, yoah, check that, check out this
cool painting. You think it's real?

Speaker 8 (57:32):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (57:32):
The police would be there so fast you wouldn't even
be able to get back to your car.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (57:37):
I just had that take, But I wanted to call
and talk about the sacred garments and how I feel
these maybe it's something more than just money, and this
goes back way back and in these places, you know,
we have these tools, we have the tools right the
the atheme, the wand the chalice, and like Earth, you know,

(57:58):
salt their rocks for Earth. But we also have a
thing we talk about, the sacred garments. And the reason
why I feel is that when you're doing, like any
kind of ritual magic, you want to try to have
like a magical persona or like a magical self. And
what it does is separates your mundane self from your

(58:19):
magical self. So when you're you, you know you're you,
and then when you go into ritual, you put on
these sacred garments, these these robes, these jewelries, these crowns
to perform the ritual, and you're a different how I
say it, a different person a magical persona. And so

(58:40):
then when you take these ritual garments off, the rings
and the jewels that we take them off, you go
back into the mundane. And the reason why is because
you kind of want to separate that the spiritual from
the physical, because people can get sick or like people
have had like negative effects of just wearing their go

(59:00):
to close into the ritual, and so we kind of
do that, we separate our normal selves from our magical
selves on purpose, and it's like to create a sense
of magical self.

Speaker 10 (59:12):
We use like different techniques.

Speaker 11 (59:13):
And we talked about before about our name, about how
your name evokes power and personality, and you know, these
sid of things, but it's the same kind of thing,
but it's more like robes and cloaks and different kinds
of magical artifacts that we wear. Now there's ones that
I wear all the time, but then there's ones that

(59:34):
I will wear I will don specifically for the ritual,
So like robes. But then let's talk about jewelry, because
I feel like this is more of the topic talking
about jewelry, like the robe or not that. But rings, necklaces, bracelets,
they're a common type of the magical persona and wearing

(59:54):
them signifies the time for magic. Many of the tools
and symbols like they might rank you in a coven,
like a pentacle is a part of the first degree,
a ring for the second degree, a bracelet or another
necklace for the third degree.

Speaker 10 (01:00:11):
You know, some people wear them all the time, but
some people only wear them in ritual.

Speaker 11 (01:00:16):
And I would like to talk about rings and stuff
like that, but that's just a couple of honorable mentions
of other garments that we could have. Head coverings like
a lot of You'll see a lot of pagans wearing
like crowns or like flower leafs in their hair. You
have like the Jewish, Yamica Native American traditions have their regalia.

(01:00:38):
And the witches of course have the the witch hat,
the pointy hat. You have footwear and like toe rings,
things like that, and masks. Masks are important in a ritual.
And so I just kind of think thinking about those things.

Speaker 10 (01:00:56):
Am I am I on point?

Speaker 12 (01:00:57):
For here?

Speaker 11 (01:00:57):
Am I?

Speaker 10 (01:00:58):
Am I a topic for you?

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
You're good? Yeah, that's exactly the point as part of
this because there's a situation of these are all things
that are worn. So you were you were right on
point and kind of broadening that out and looking at
it in different ways. It is regalia, it is these
are things that are worn as part of that ritual self.
And you were spot on one because that's what all
this stuff is. They were you know, their ear rings

(01:01:20):
and necklaces and crowns and all the rest that ritual
aspect of self. So yeah, you're spot on, bro.

Speaker 11 (01:01:26):
Yeah, like I was saying, more more than just money,
I feel, and this stuff is you know, going back,
but let's go back to rings. I'm kind of find
the page here on my rings. But for me, I
have a story about Okay, let's tell a personal story
about I'm wearing the same rings and the same necklaces
for long times, and I wear them all the time.

(01:01:49):
I don't take them off to take a shower, to sleep, anything.
I always wear them. And then but it's like if
I lose these these things, and then I have, like
I have a story about a necklace. I wore this
necklace that Lacy's mom gave me like fifteen seventeen years ago,

(01:02:11):
and I'll like it's weird. I'll lose it sometimes, like
I'll accidentally misplace it or I'll come off somehow, and
whenever it comes off, I'll start having you know, I'll
have a bad day. I'll have, you know, stub my toe, spell,
my coffee, get stuck in traffic, and then I'll oh,
my necklace is gone. And then I always find it

(01:02:33):
again in like random weird places, and when I find
it and put it back on, like mysterious things that
happened to it, And when I find it and put
it back on, those negative things stop happening to me again.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
And so I guess the question.

Speaker 10 (01:02:48):
Becomes is it is it the power of the necklace
or is it my belief in the power of the
necklace to protect me?

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Yeah, and that's yeah, that's right down my alley. That's
exactly what I'm always thinking about and talking about because
it is it irrelevant I mean maybe not to the larger,
let's say, metaphysical context, but if it's the if it's
the same result, whether it's this or it's that, it
certainly is the belief in the object. And again, when
you're talking about power, and you know, millions of people

(01:03:19):
who who are literally their their lives are writing on
who who's in charge? And it goes back to politics
today too, like this this is very similar, except there's
no scepter, there's no crown, there's no that regalia. But
in that context, like those items got to be charged with, uh,
you know, hopes and dreams and desires and all the
things that we've talked about, but also you know, fears

(01:03:42):
of what might come next with whoever takes the crown.

Speaker 11 (01:03:46):
Yeah, it always trips me out, like seeing like jewelry
like a pawnshop or or you know, like where you
turning in stuff in what happened you know who is
wearing that ring, what kind of energy is to have,
what kind of energy as a hold. I believe in
that kind of stuff, the psychometry stuff. I know those
people behind me, So I'll finish up here. I have

(01:04:06):
one more take, and it's about rings, and just quick
talking about the rings and off a palmistry and why
we wear certain rings on certain fingers.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
And what they mean.

Speaker 11 (01:04:21):
And of course you know all the crystals are involved
and all that, but did you know also it's not
necessarily the crystals that you want to project or to
receive the energy, it's also what hand you wear them on.

Speaker 10 (01:04:33):
So, and this is out of palmistry.

Speaker 11 (01:04:36):
So your thumb is Venus, your your index finger is Jupiter,
your middle finger is Saturn, your ring finger is Apollo,
and you're in peaky finger is Mercury. And so if
you need to help looking that stuff up, I can
help you, guys. But basically, what I'm trying to say

(01:04:58):
is that whatever finger you wear your ring on, that's
the power that you're either projecting or receiving from that
kind of energy. And that's kind of how I see
how I wear my rings. That's a deep topic.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Yeah, I love that I've never heard of that, never
heard that.

Speaker 11 (01:05:17):
I wanted to put that out there just as ideas
to maybe think about, you know what, what are these
rings doing? Just talking about the regalia of the magical
jewelry and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
I dig it. I'm not that's a that's a deep dive.
We'll get back to that at some point, because as
you said, there's a there's a lot there fire stuff.
Appreciate your brother, thanks for saying it, lay with us?
Anything else? Have you got to go ahead?

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
Now?

Speaker 10 (01:05:38):
I'm gonna go.

Speaker 11 (01:05:38):
I feel this is a good show, a great topic.
What's the saying? May you live in interesting times?

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Indeed, and we certainly do glad to share them with you.
Appreciate you very much. We'll talk to you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Thanks a lot. That's Matt's how Matthew and California you know,
and me love him, good friend for a long time.
Temple of the Owl is the name of his podcast,
Temple of the Owl dot com. You can find exactly
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through his podcast and the work he's doing for modern time.
So please go check it out again. Every time I
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(01:06:15):
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Anything on that James will go to. I think it
was Herschel first, and then Kelly and then and then
so hang tike Kelly bottom of the hour. You get
as long as you need. Appreciate you guys being patient.
Change anything else and we'll go to our other friends here.

Speaker 6 (01:06:34):
Yeah, that's an amazing, great call so far. That's amazing
that there are meanings to or different energies associated with
each finger that you wear a Ryan. That's very I mean,
I mean that's in a good way. That's very cosmic.
That's very that's just that's fascinating. I have heard of
again going back to that, pawnshops and antique stores objects

(01:06:59):
even close having energy attached to them in cases of
people getting clothes and either getting a good feeling or
not so great feeling from the clothes they pick up
at some of these places. So it really can go.
The connection can be to all kinds of objects, depending
on how much importance there is placed on it by people.

(01:07:21):
I think as well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Exactly well said seven two one zero three seven click
to discord, like of Trouble Minds. Do Herschel Herschel in Arizona?
What's her brother? Commercial Herschel? You're on Trouble Minds with
Mike and James, Go right ahead, what's on your mind?

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
I do?

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
I do kind of have a take that's probably different,
but I'll tell you what I think. First is I
agree with you that it was set up right. You know,
like there's no way that they're just going to go
pond that unless they're going to like try to take
the jewels off and recut them and then melt down

(01:07:54):
all the metal or something like that. You know, it's
like there's no way that it's not a setup. And
the fact that the alarms didn't work, I mean, come.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
On, like I said, very Jeffrey Epstein asked, right, it's like,
come on, this is very called.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
Like connected people doing doing doing the crimes, you know,
the all types that they do because they're dirt bags.
But uh, here's an idea that I like, I don't
know what it could be what happened, but the fact
of it being chaos, magic and ritual and all of that,

(01:08:33):
Like the broken crown, that's like a diss on the
whole concept of royal hierarchy and society and then liberating
these jewels and metals that have been pilfered from oppressed societies.
You know, like that concept of it being like a
revolutionary act in a way, and in these times that

(01:08:57):
we're in when all of these things are being confronted,
and when the people who have the very extreme violent
power are are doubling down on there on there, like
you know, authoritarianism on the general public, especially in Europe
right now. I mean, it's just ridiculous what's happening there. So,

(01:09:20):
you know, it seems it seemed like that's the kind
of that's the kind of energy I got from it,
Like they break the crown, they're dissing the royal hierarchy
and liberating these tools and metals that have been exploited
from colonized peoples.

Speaker 6 (01:09:38):
And their lands.

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
That makes an idea the concept.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Yeah, I dig it. And and again the French Revolution,
I mean Napoleon and we're talking like one of the
most famous times ever of ridiculousness.

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
And so that makes it where it happened, and like
what the era of the of all of that was from.
And you know France, I mean what, there's been so
many upheavals there, you know. So it's an interesting thing.
Like it's just something interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
I like this.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
I like the symbolism of that. And if we understood
the symbology of the specific items more, that could be
broken down even further, Like you could take that concept
and just go deeper with it with each item that
might be worth doing, right just for fun, just as
a as a as a mental exercise and uh a

(01:10:35):
meme to send out into society. That could just be
a really interesting thing to do for somebody who has
that kind of time.

Speaker 6 (01:10:42):
On their hands.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Yeah, or that kind of technology. Hold my beer, I
may actually do that. Okay, So you're totally right on
that too, So think of it. Like I said, the
crown jewels were stolen in broad daylight twelve days from
All Hallows Eve Halloween sowing. And not only that, they
left the crown nine items. Again, we've talked about the

(01:11:04):
number of the magic number of nine, Nicola Tessa, all
that stuff the baseball with the show we did, and
they left the crown out of the crown.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
You well, not only damaged to the crown was broken.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Yeah, damaged exactly exactly, And that that seems like maybe
let's call it a mini ritual as a right, Yeah,
like not not necessarily a large scope. I'm talking here
where there's some you know, going to be some bond
villain billionaire and some basement doing some kind of working
for the next ten days. Not nothing like that, but
very symbolically like, hey, we're taking we're taking this back

(01:11:36):
to the people, and in this capacity you can keep
the crown, but it's damaged and the wheel is broken.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
At this point, right, And that's yeah, even if they
didn't break it on purpose, it's like there's another energy
that took over the.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Moment, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Yeah, yeah, I follow you, I follow you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Where are they gonna think about is a fun thing
to think about.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Agreed, Where are they going to off this stuff? It's
a billionaire, right, I mean, it's it's a not not
to labeled the hobby lobby guys and say it was them,
but you know, they're they've been found guilty of doing
similar stuff, so certainly there's some shady billionaire out there
that's got these in their basement right now, right in
their bunker, the dungeon bunker, dungeon slash bunker, right. Yeah,

(01:12:26):
that's what it feels like. Yeah, the fire stuff, I mean,
I don't know, it seems if i'm if I'm a
betting man, that's what I'm betting. They're They're in some
private collection. They paid them, not just tipped off from
the inside on the alarm in the window. They paid
a heist crew via kind of Ocean's eleven style to
rip them off and bring them back to them. I

(01:12:47):
think that's what's gonna happen. We'll probably never see these things.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Again, probably no.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Fire stuff stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
But I'll stick around until the bottom and just listen
to what James has to say about all that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Okay, Kelly, Like I said, thanks for being patient. You
get as much time as Genma when we get back James.
Anything on that. I think there's there's a lot here
in terms of not just let's say ritual itself, but symbolically,
this is massive. There's so many ways you could kind
of rabbit hole this and take it all the way down.
Anything on any of that James, go ahead, Yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (01:13:19):
Agree the crown being broken, and again Herschel you kind
of said what I said earlier, where even if they
didn't drop it on purpose or break it on purpose,
the fact that that happened is I almost would it
be more fascinating to me if it if it was
an accident, because then because it just makes me wonder

(01:13:40):
about does the universe have a consciousness and all that,
and and is there someone that does does things like
that here and there just to get people's attention, and
whether it's to be a trickster or not, just to
get just to make points about things. And I think
that'd be I mean, that's that is fascinating. I've been
thinking about this whole thing, and I feel bad for

(01:14:03):
the people that maybe you know, were there trying, like
the security people that were there that maybe maybe had
no idea about all this. But also I'm I'm not
really I don't like feel connection to any of these
these jewels, so it's not affecting me, but I mean
that's also just me. I'm just curious if there's if

(01:14:24):
there's anyone else out there that maybe it does affect.
And I'm wondering if that could be a part of
the reason why it was done as well, for some
kind of a effect on certain groups of people if
they're I don't know, really devoted to history or whatever
it may be. But I'm curious about that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Yeah, real quick, a puff over on Rumble says this,
how come no one ever steals any ancient gems, relics,
or high priced items in the non European countries. That's
actually a good point, cursion.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
What you got ahead, Well, they've already been stolen by
the people in the European country.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
There it is, there, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
Oh man, the joke, right, guys, thanks a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:15:08):
Yeah, thanks, so I'm gonna go ahead and go and
and thanks everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
You're the best. Appreciate you very much. Thank Christy, leave
with us, Gore go Blue Jays. Did you catch that
Springer Homer? Oh my goodness, what.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
A big man.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
I always bummed out. I really think Seattle has a
better chance of beating La than Toronto.

Speaker 6 (01:15:26):
That was just too bad.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
But Springer's are just on fire, absolute beast right on
and stop that fire. And that gig Clement, Yeah, all
of a sudden shows up and goes like eight for whatever.
Eight for fifteen in the playoffs, like, oh my goodness, yeah,
sports ball.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Talk, You're the best brother, having a great night, appreciate
the body.

Speaker 4 (01:15:45):
Sorry, you're good.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Oh good, I asked, have a great night. You don't
even love him. Commercial Herschel is the name of the substack.
Easy Toping is the name of the podcast. You don't
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because it is true. Check that out. You can do

(01:16:09):
all manner of amazing things with your link tree. Go
follow all the projects again. He's got books, a new
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details of that. If you haven't joined the discord, please do,
or joined his discord, please do. All the links are there,
and yeah, a lot of wild things in play here.
And look, I don't know, I don't know. It's freeing
to say I don't know, and think in terms of possibilities,

(01:16:30):
But I think the possibilities of what this is normy
style are probably pretty obvious. I mean, this reeks of
an inside job. The alarm turned off on the window,
the thieves knowing exactly which window to hit out of
there in seven minutes sort of less. I mean, you know,
like what's that gone in sixty seconds? Right with the
car heist movie Ocean's eleven, you know, robbing Vegas casinos,

(01:16:53):
this type of thing. I mean, it seems very kind
of like that. And you can't pull that stuff off
unless you've got inside information. And so that becomes the
weird part of this, because that level of inside information
might even wreak of like a foreign state actors, you know,
So who knows, who knows how deep and weird this goes,
but it is a wild thing to consider as part

(01:17:14):
of it, not just the ritual chaos magic we're talking,
but again leaving the crown behind of the crown jewels
of all damn things. You don't drop, right, you don't.
If you're gonna do a heist like this, you don't
drop your wallet. Obviously, you shouldn't bring it. Actually, I mean,
you know, not that I'm a criminal mastermind or anything,
but you shouldn't drop the crown, right, I mean, anyway,

(01:17:35):
I recognize you in a big hurry, but anyway, I
love to hear your thoughts on this. We got Kelly
come out. Thanks for being patient, my man, he's got
as much time as he needs and taking your calls
as well. We're talking this heist, this loop heist of
the French crown jewels, and politically, I was seeing some
articles today they were talking about actually, you know, blaming,
blaming these people and blaming those people and you know

(01:17:57):
all the rest of this stuff, because that's what that's
the way the world works, right, You're like, oh, blame
this political party, blame that political party for every damn
thing that happens, because a case can be made narrative building,
which is what we're doing tonight, narrative building. Love to
hear your thoughts on this.

Speaker 6 (01:18:13):
What do you know?

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Is it possible this ritual acquisition had something to do
with something we can't see? Seven two nine one zero
three seven Beer at back more trouble Minds on the way.
We got Kelly coming up in your calls as well.
Do not go anywhere. Welcome back to Troubled Minds. YadA yadah,

(01:18:52):
all the places, all the things, Troubledminds dot org. You
can find it there. Tonight we're talking this the hest
of the Louver, the Louver, yes, pardon my French. These
steal the crown jewels of France. Yeah, except they leave
the crown damaged and on the ground, which is strange.
Like I said, there's a lot of things that are
really really off the wall about this. And it got

(01:19:14):
my tinfoil tingle in the second I saw it, shout
out Ricky two. He's the one who posted this in
the discord right after it happened. I saw it in there.
I was like, let's check the article, and then it
turned into this wild stuff again. Links from the description.
If you want to follow up on it, do read
the rite up and fold. There's some pretty wild ideas
in there, including of course this is a sourin ritual
of some kind twelve days before Halloween, because that's what happened.

(01:19:37):
That's when they stole it, nine thirty in the morning,
seven minutes or less in and out. It's pretty crazy stuff.
I don't know. You tell me, is it ritual or
is it not? Is this some other thing? And what
are they gonna do with it? Cut it into tiny pieces?
And melt it down. That sounds like sacrilege to me.
I'm guessing it's in some bond villain's basements. James quid
take on that we'll go to Kelly.

Speaker 6 (01:19:58):
Well, if all this it is symbolic, I do like
Kerschel's idea about looking into what each each of the
pieces may may mean. But even if it is, if
it's all symbolic, it could have still been organized by
some billionaire not to have it in their collection, but
to have it destroyed. I'm really curious about that as well.
That if that ends up happening, you know, that'd be

(01:20:22):
fascinating to find out why and how.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Yeah, it seems like such a waste. I mean, if
you can't keep these things intact, like what are you doing?
I mean, there's so many other things you can burgle
and melt down, and this is a priceless artifacts. It's
absolutely crazy that people think this way. Anyway, I'd love
to hear you thought seven or two ninety five one
zero three seven click to Discordank of Trouble Minds that
are Kelly in Colorado. Thanks for being impatient, my man.
You're on Trouble Minds with Mike and James. How are
you cor right ahead?

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
Good?

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
All right man, how you guys doing?

Speaker 9 (01:20:49):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Pretty good? Thanks for bringing my energy back to where
it should be. Appreciate you very much. This is a
new phone get up. Everything worked on the phone line.
You could hear everybody and everything's good.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
Yeah, yeah, sound good. And everybody said, I could hear everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Okay, sweet, and you were coming through you hearing laden clear, James, Yes,
I'll set perfect, okay, all good, Thanks for being patient,
Kelly all years, go right ahead. What's your take on
this and how weird do we get?

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
So for me, first off, you know everybody's talking about symbolism,
you know, for me, I mean just the making of
the crown was symbolism, you know for them that when
they were making it was obviously you know that they
were ruling. You know that the ruling class back then.

(01:21:37):
I guess what you would just call you know, or
somebody killed somebody to get that position, you know, something
to that effect. But you know, all these jewels from
all these crowns, and you know even in London, right
the Queen's crown jewels, all these crown jewels belong to
somebody else anyway, right, These things are. Actually when the

(01:22:00):
queen died, all the countries that had crowns from her,
you know, jewels from her crown, they were they want
them back because you know, they were actually stolen, just
like everybody's you know, kind of mentioned in discord before
I jumped on and to them, it was, you know,

(01:22:21):
saying that they were the ruling class, you know where
they didn't matter where they got them, and I guess
where they conquered supposedly, or didn't want to people in
them by killing people. They didn't want to play their game.
But these those jewels were you know, stolen and then
placed in these crowns, for the instance, the French crown.

(01:22:41):
Like all those crowns, all those jewels in there, a
lot of them were given, you know, they were added
throughout the throughout you know, different pens and queens, you know,
or or different people wanted to add, you know, stuff
to that crowd. That's why it's got all the different
type jewels in it. But a lot of the you know,
some of the necklaces and all the other stuff, A

(01:23:02):
lot of the a lot of those diamonds that they
come to, those big giant diamonds they come from India
and I heard India one of those they've been asking
about a lot of those jewels back as well. But
it's just like you know, when if we go down
you know this rabble hole too about like objects, right,

(01:23:22):
you know, the whole synchronousity with that. You know, that's
like you know, like when all these countries too, just
like all these artifacts that they you know, that they
keep and you know, then they say they're in a museum.
You know that people can go see them, right, that's
their excuse. But again all those all those artifacts ares

(01:23:43):
stolen too. But and I think maybe sometimes they these
people that do that, they that they know that some
of these artifacts, you know, if they're being locked in place,
you know, if they're left in those areas, they're the
keys like turning let's say that turning the Pyramids on

(01:24:04):
some of the stuff that they you know, taken out
of their out of Egypt, you know, and now they
place them in these museums and you know, thousands of
miles away in these other countries. You know, maybe they
know that that that's part of what you know, some
people would call magic back then, but it was probably technology.
It might look like stone, but these things are you know,

(01:24:25):
embedded with crystals and you know, or different types of
materials where you know they're they're used for you know,
electrical components, you know what I mean. So if you
take the key, just like they're taking the key of
the car. You know, I was explaining to Michelle, you know,
just like just the keys of a car. You know,
you have this nice automobile, but it doesn't work without

(01:24:47):
the keys. Because now I take your keys and I
move them thousands of miles into this museum, and I
placed him in there that everybody can see it. Right,
Maybe maybe that's what it is, because I've ran across
some store reason, you know, throughout a lot of stuff
I look at.

Speaker 12 (01:25:02):
Right, But.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
There was a story that was kind of the same
that was found this box where that was found in
Chocoal Canyon over here in the States, right, and uh,
you know, they had like a lot of mud slides
and stuff to out there. So two people were running
around out there checking out damage, you know, for the
for the government. But they found the silvery box and

(01:25:25):
they both you know, was wanted to go pull it
out of the dirt, kind of dig it out big.
When they touched it, you know, they kind of had
a The story went like they had a both had
a vision of these tunnels that run underneath the ground.
They they're in chocoal canyons, right. But and so they
when they took it, they took it back to the lab,

(01:25:46):
you know, whether or to the office offices. But they
ended up in the lab where there's you know, some
scientists were looking at it. But one scientists, you know,
came to the conclusion that maybe it's the key is
that there it's not in the same place that where
you know, when he's touching it. Nothing's happening while it's
there in that in as you know, laboratory when you

(01:26:07):
had when they took it there. But if you you know,
take it back to the place like chocolate cane where
exact place they found it, something happens, it works. You
know that maybe he'll see that with the same thing
that they were seeing. So everything could be just like
with these jewels. You know, some of these things were
used for maybe some reasons, you know, not only that

(01:26:31):
they found them or dug them up there, you know
when they were you know, throughout slavery and history. But
maybe you know there's some of these jewels too. They
were being used in other things, and they were taken
in place in these crowds. And I don't blame a
lot of these countries to be wanting some of these
things back, you know. Obviously, you know, there is no

(01:26:52):
kings or queens in France anymore, you know, and there
barely is one in Europe nowadays. But yeah, they want
the queen died and the same thing. They wanted to
do a lot of that, you know, a lot of
that stuff back. But who knows what those things could
you know, possess or you know, maybe they they might
look like a ruby, or they might look like a diamond,

(01:27:15):
so they could be material of something else, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Yeah, I follow you, And you're right. A lot of
that repatriation. People are always like, hey, you've had our
stuff for like five hundred years, can we get that
back now. I mean there's a lot of that going on,
sort of the political wrangling, and you're right, it's all
mixed up and stuff is everywhere. I mean, the Rosetta stone,
right has drawn from northern Africa and taken back to Europe,
and I think where's it at now in the British

(01:27:39):
Museum in London, which that's now where it's from that
Napoleon found that, And another interesting aspect of this, which
it doesn't really get into it too deeply in the
writing because I didn't want to put two tents of
information kind of you know, too many things. But Napoleon
was very highly interested in ancient Egypt, like he spent
a bunch of time in some of those places doing

(01:28:03):
who knows what, and was responsible for finding him and
his expedition for finding the Rosetta Stone initially, and so
that type of thing kind of comes into this in
the larger context of that ritual magic and sort of
that as I like to call it, the deep magic
from the dawn of time. And how how weird does
that get? That's a whole other tangent. We don't have
to touch that, but I did want to mention it
because repatriation the Rosetta Stone, Napoleon, it certainly fits into

(01:28:26):
this context tonight fire stuff. What else you got?

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
Well, so again, you know, I just look at it
as that, you know, like you're saying, I'm just kind
of looking at that in that perspective. Is but again,
I want to see if maybe these tools, whether they
know what's exactly the ones that they're talking about, you
know what I mean, because they'll tell you too, because
I you know, through a brief read, it doesn't it

(01:28:52):
tell you exactly where. You know, it tells you who,
you know what king and queen you know added jewels
to the crown, but it doesn't tell you exactly, you know,
like some of the diamonds, they did mention that it
was they were from India, and that was a big one,
I believe in some of the necklaces that were some
of the jewels that were you know, the crown jewels
that were there. But yeah, so that's that's the question

(01:29:17):
I want to know, you know, I mean, I want
to know specifics on what on what jewels are they
talking about? You know what I mean? Was it though, like,
did they break it up to just take some of
the jewels and left the crown or did they I
know they didn't was it? Did they take the whole crown?

Speaker 6 (01:29:34):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
So they so they took they took like a necklace,
they took your rings, they took all kinds of regalia,
but they left the crown. I think they dropped the
crown and it got damaged or who knows, maybe as
uh as Hershel was saying, maybe was it intentional like
a like an fu to the crown and kind of
clanked it on the sidewalk and left it there like
who knows, like because the other stuff is priceless, right,

(01:29:55):
but I would guess the crown jewel is the crown.
So maybe it's u little bit less symbolic and a
larger you know, ritual magic context and more like an fu.
I mean I could see that level of symbolism in
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
Yeah, so it was the one for me, any of
them I was, I was reading upon it was. Yeah,
so the big ones and that necklace was I mean,
those those were pretty big, pretty big jewels, and you
know they if again you know, who knows that they
were actually diamonds? You know, I mean they came to be,
but you know, ancient technology, you know, you know me,

(01:30:33):
I'm always about the ancient astronaut theory. Say yes, but
you know you look at that in that perspective. You know,
I'm hoping that they would be not trying to sell
those things, but give them back to the country that
say that they want them back. You know what I mean,
I'm more that type of person. Hopefully that someone will say,

(01:30:54):
you know, finally here here's what, you know, give them
back to the countries that they're because there's a lot
of movement going around under in Africa right now, and
I'm very happy for him too. A lot of these
countries are breaking from these from France and a lot
of you know and Europe. You know a lot of
those your country, they're no longer have a stronghold and
they're they're taking over their own countries. And I'm you know,

(01:31:16):
I'm I'm I'm for that, you know, I'm happy for
those countries.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
Yeah, power to the people. Like I kicked the desk
spots out, A lot of that it comes from us
funding them. I mean, we're funding these tyrannies the world over,
which drives me insane, Like, give the people a chance.
If we're sending them tanks and guns and bombs and stuff,
the people just don't have a chance. So it's sad
that it always comes down to some level of revolution,
but at least give the people a chance in this capacity.

(01:31:41):
But you were spot one hundred percent with that, and
I agree with you, But I mean, we should be helping.
I don't know, like I think you can't police everything right.
As we've talked about this in the past, you know,
as far as the United States goes and funding, you know,
both sides of every stupid war. It's like, come on now,
like I get it, how this this kind of fits
into the making the the rich cats fatter, right, the

(01:32:02):
fat cats fatter. But also look what they're doing to humanity.
I mean there are people dying for things that are
you know, like Lindsey Graham for instance, that today just
a disgusting politician that's all in on every war he's
ever seen. It's like, come on, can we can we
stop with this mess? But no, here we are twenty
twenty five, still happening in all the damned places. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
Yeah, we all know that political stuff. So it's all
about the money most people are getting funded for all that,
for those for the little lot of the deep past.
And that's a whole different story. We don't talk about
that here.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
Yeah, all different.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
So yeah, man, I just yeah, but that's just I
just want to add some of that too, it man,
for tonight, And that's all I got really, But yeah, man,
everybody had a good stuff out there, and I have
a good night. Mke We'll see you next time.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Appreciate the go. You're the best. Tell me shall we
said hi, and you have a fantastic night. We'll talk
to you soon, all right, Really have a good one. Thanks,
take care, you don't be all Kelly, good friend for
a long time. And again the first guy that called
us and then called back, he's been calling ever since,
and he's got a ton of good points there. Repatriation.
All those jewels are stolen anyway, Hey, it is what

(01:33:12):
it is. And like I said, we don't have to
like it, but it is history. And so the question
now becomes the new history is they've stolen these relics.
And like I said to me, it's blasphemy in any
case to just melt this type of stuff down or
piece it out. That's I mean, like, how dumb do
you got to be? That's just But then again, how

(01:33:32):
dumb do you got to be to take it to like,
you know, Rick at the Pond Stars pawn shop and
be like I got this crown, what we're gonna do
with it? Or whatever? I got this necklace? Seems ridiculous. Yeah,
a ton of stuff there I'll get to the ritual
magic in just a second. Love to hear you guys.
Thoughts on this. Yeah, great stuff from Kelly, always a
pleasure and always great ideas, James, anything to add to
anything that he said or herschel said, or anything else,

(01:33:52):
any ideas you had. If not, I'm going to get
back it right into this ritual magic stuff, the chaos magic,
because I think that part, to me is the thing
that makes my tinfoil tingle the most. A longer narrative,
but as usual I defer to you guys, if you
want to be part of the conversation, give us a
call seven or two nine, one zero three seven click
the discord like a trouble minds that r James, what
you got if you got it? If not, I'm on

(01:34:13):
to the next.

Speaker 6 (01:34:15):
Just great confrom Kelly. I do think the repatriation of
things is it's valid?

Speaker 11 (01:34:21):
I do.

Speaker 6 (01:34:23):
I don't know, it's it's it's there's a lot of
other things to go along with that, but not really
the point of this show here, but just the idea
of why do why do we have to have a
so much focus on on these stones when there's all
this other stuff going on and people around the world,

(01:34:44):
you know, dealing with life and death things. But that's
just my opinion on that, and I'm not saying I'm
right on it, just just my and goes. But but yeah,
I mean they are. They are considered powerful in different ways,
whether it's money or or symbolism, all these different things
do you play? So but yeah, that's all for now

(01:35:04):
and looking forward to the rest of what you have
and then hopefully some work calls.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
You're the best. I'd love to hear you guys thoughts
on this What do you think? Is it a ritual
or not? As usual? I think the ritual stuff is
incredibly poignant because to me, because we got to wonder
if the sickos involved, the billionaires are really into this
stuff and shout out, you know, rowhann rest in peace
of the Rohan principle plays heavily here tonight because what
are they going to do with these things? And it
is sort of like a ritual countdown to sowin the

(01:35:31):
veil stinning, right, this resonant energy of these colonial artifacts.
I mean, anyway, so here's the thing, right, So the
symbolism to the number eight, so they deliberately damaged the
ninth's crown and the timing twelve days before sown. So
let me read you this bit, and this is this
is pretty good. If you haven't read the write up tonight,
check this out. So what if this wasn't theft for

(01:35:53):
profit but acquisition of charged relics. The thieves took eight
items in four minutes, well four to seven depending on
the report's but now they're saving seven minutes. So eight
items in seven minutes, leaving a ninth behind, a deliberate
choice that suggests numerological intention. Eight represents infinity when turned

(01:36:14):
on its side, The eternal cycle, the octagon of cosmic
order that bridges square earthly matter with circular divine perfection,
which we've talked about a lot on the show. This
the symbolism and the eights, and the or borrows all
the stuff right, But in the paging wheel of the year,
eight sabots mark the turning seasons. In Buddhism, the eightfold

(01:36:36):
path leads to enlightenment and sacred architecture. Octagons appear at
transformation points baptismal fonts where is that founts where souls
shift from unbaptized to sanctified. Cathedral crossings where horizontal human
space intersects vertical divine assent. Now's that's where the numeral
numerology comes into this. It makes me scratch my chin

(01:36:57):
and go, okay, so what's actually happening? Like I said,
it seemed very interesting with the number of items, the
time it took, and all the rest of this stuff.
But check it out. So nine would complete the trinity
of Trinity's the full manifestation of three times three. They
stopped one short, leaving the system open, unfinished, maintaining energetic

(01:37:20):
flow rather than closure. And it was the keystone, per se.
When you talk about the crown jewels themselves, the crown
is the paramount point. You get it. There's something, there's
something that doesn't fit here. So the Empress Eugenie, the
Crown found damaged outside the museum wasn't accidentally dropped at

(01:37:41):
this speculation, of course, during a hasty escape. It was
sacrificed deliberately. And this is a little bit more what
hershe was saying, at least in a smaller context. It's
destruction releasing rather than containing whatever accumulated charge it held. Okay,
So in chaos magic theory, object gain power through collective

(01:38:01):
belief and historical resonance, which is the whole point of
me talking about this tonight. A crown worn during coronations
becomes more than metal and stones. It's a conduit. Millions
of people have seen these jewels through museum glass over decades.
Tour guides recite their provenance, Historians write books detailing their creation.

(01:38:22):
Photographers capture them from every angle, which we've got pictures
of these things, which again, this stuff is gorgeous if
you haven't seen what these jewels actually look like pre Burgle,
I mean, you know, before the previous Burgle. But anyway,
so photographers capture them from every angle. Each active attention
feeds energy into the objects, layering belief upon belief, until

(01:38:43):
the items exist in two states simultaneously, the cat state,
as we've talked about the past superposition. And this is
what I mean by that, not directly, it's not quantum.
It's more theoretical in terms of priceless cost wise or
priceless energy wise, physical artifacts and thought form repositories. Okay,

(01:39:06):
that's where my mind is that with this, and that's
why I was like, this seems really strange of all
things to steal think about it, you could steal. I mean,
I don't know all manner of things. There's all kinds
of things that are not like historically important priceless artifacts,
and you could still get rich. But for some reason, somehow,
And Sylvain said that this happened years ago too, that

(01:39:29):
this very similar thing happened through the exact same balcony,
very similar heist. So I mean, it's almost as if
the playbook has already been written. But anyway, so the
museum function as a modern temple, maintaining relics through controlled
access and enforced reverence, climate, controlled cases, motion sensors, guard patrols,
all this stuff. But these weren't just security measures. They
were preservation rituals, keeping the jewels and stasis, preventing their

(01:39:53):
accumulated charge from dissipating or being accessed. This is chaos
magic again theoretical, this might not be real, probably not.
You take it or leave it. Breaking the cases during
sow in season, when Celtic tradition holds it, the veils
between worlds thin and supernatural forces can cross previously impassable
thresholds represents more than practical crime. It represents ritual liberation

(01:40:17):
of power objects from containment executed during the one time
of year when such working becomes possible. And that's the thing.
When I started digging the synchronicities into this, and you know,
doing what I do, just kind of flowing the data,
I was like, wait a minute, this seems like there's
legs here, real or not. It seems an interesting narrative.

(01:40:38):
And remember, what we're doing is just what everybody else
is doing. We're building a narrative through conversation, collaborative dialogue,
looking at the world in a different way and wondering
if this type of stuff that we're talking about actually
plays at the highest levels of power, chaos, magic.

Speaker 3 (01:40:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
I wish I knew, but I don't. But that's where
we're at. The Gallery of Apollo is where it came from.
I mean, there's so much here that kind of just
makes you scratch your chain and go, what any ever
loving f is going on? And we'll get to the
rest of this. I see your hand up with We're
going to go to sid as soon as we come
back from the break, so we'll be patient just a minute.
We'll get back to you, James. Anything to add on

(01:41:17):
any of that that resonant energy stuff that may be
the working that the sow in working with all hallows
eve you think some of that plays. Are we being
a little too a little too imaginative tonight? What do
you think?

Speaker 6 (01:41:30):
I don't know, But there's a couple of things that
stand out to me based on all the numbers and
the configurations of things. If you were to put those
eight items that were taken in a shape was square,
and then put that crown that was not taken or
dropped or whatever happened with it left behind in the middle,

(01:41:53):
and you put that crowd up above everything else vertically
in the air. What does it remind you of a
little bit almost like a pyramid?

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
Pyramid? Yes, indeed, And.

Speaker 6 (01:42:04):
There's all theyse I've heard people talk about before how
there used to be capstones or at least coverings on
pyramids and now no one can find them. And you
have this crown metaphorically top of a pyramid that was
removed from where it was being stored and then but

(01:42:26):
left there but again that energy system leaving it open,
but also just destabilizing everything possibly. So I think that's
fascinating that the connections parallel is there with all that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
Yeah, and so some additional back to Napoleon. These are
the jewels of Napoleon, mostly the family and beyond that,
back to the Rosetta Stone and you bring up the pyramid, Well,
he found the Rosetta Stone on an expedition with a
It was in the town named Rosetta then is now
called Russhid or shi d don't know if I pronounced

(01:43:02):
that properly, but like I said, that's that's something that's
still in the British Museum. So I mean we got
some connections here. I think this could you could dig
deep and go back and kind of make again, build narratives,
build larger narratives in terms of what this looks like
or what it means where again as usual, Look, it
might not mean anything. And I think when you're looking

(01:43:22):
at sort of the political narratives of things, I think
there's a lot of that. I think there's a lot
of It doesn't mean Jack, it's just you know, sort
of the shiny objects to draw people off of whatever
they're trying to do, kind of behind the scenes, never
mind the man behind the curtain type of business. So yeah,
I don't know. I think it's incredible to think about
all of this stuff, all the possibilities, but also don't
forget that the most incredible part is they pulled off

(01:43:42):
this heist in seven minutes in broad daylight in one
of the most lockdown museums in the entire world. And
we may never see these these priceless artifacts ever again
and again, twelve days from sowing All Hallows Eve, twelve
days from Halloween. And see it does seem very ritual.
So I don't know, you know, I can't. I can't

(01:44:03):
shake this off from my head that there's maybe more
to this than just a priceless artifact. But as usual, Look,
what do you know? Seven oh two nine five seven
one zero three seven Give us a call and I'd
love to talk to you about it. We're talking ritual
acquisition tonight, the crown jewels and chaos magic. And I'm
getting weird, of course, because the louver was robbed of
these wonderful jewels. They left the crown behind. Is that

(01:44:27):
more or less symbolic? Or you think it was just
a mistake? And what's going on with the chaos magic?

Speaker 6 (01:44:32):
Real?

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
Or nah?

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
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(01:45:23):
ritual acquisition tonight. The Crown, Jewels and Chaos magic. Is
it possible? And it was not just simply a heist,
like I said, you know, you look at you could
do a casino heist, right, I mean maybe it's easier
Ocean's eleven style and come out with like a you know,
bricks of gold or something, right, you know what I mean? Like,
that's that's one thing, because you could certainly offload that

(01:45:45):
somewhere and get rich. Well, in this case, you can't
go sell this stuff at a pawn shop. That's ridiculous.
So what does it mean? What does it look like
with the these sees, these thieve stole treasure jewelry from
the louver in seventy minutes and a daylight heist, and
why do they leave the crown behind damaged? Seems very
symbolic to me. But what do you guys know about
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Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
Hey, can you hear me?

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Okay, yep, lad and clear coming through perfectly. Welcome to
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Speaker 12 (01:46:23):
All right, thank you all. This is actually my first
call in. I don't know if this would be too tangential,
but uh, since we've been talking about the Crown Jewels
of France, but I want to kind of wanted to
kind of go on a little tangent about the English
Crown Jewels and the possible connection to everything we're hearing

(01:46:46):
about the Epstein files and how how high it goes
and and and and the reading I've done over the years,
I I've come to understand that the uh British monarchy
has has had a lot of clandestine activity as far

(01:47:07):
as black magic and whatnot, virtual sacrifice, sex magic and.

Speaker 3 (01:47:14):
Things like that.

Speaker 12 (01:47:16):
And I'm wondering if King Charles maybe cut his brother
loose because he was afraid of what Andrew would reveal
about about that kind of demimonde of the of the
British monarchy and how prominent the British Empire still is.

(01:47:36):
I mean a lot of people mistakenly think that the
UK is this sort of diminished power in the world,
but I think they sort of sort of like how
the Roman Catholic Church is the modern Roman Empire. I
think I think they underestimate how powerful the British crown

(01:47:57):
really is in the halls of power, commers, banking, and
so forth. So I was wondering what thoughts all of
you guys out there had about that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
Yeah, I think you're right and funny enough. And this
is not to get political, but the no kings thing
over the weekend, they're trying to change their wording on
that to say no tyrants, because you know, they're pissing
off the people who are actually have kings out there,
the monarchies of the world, and there are some, There
are some, like I said in the most prominent, of course,
is the British Royalty, which has been their first centuries.

(01:48:29):
Again back to John d and Queen Elizabeth the first week.
We've done whole shows on this. But the wild part is,
I think you're right again. They're part of the Five
Eyes intelligence community and a massive part of course Europe
and sort of that the defense mechanism of NATO. There's
a ton of stuff happening, and not even talking about
the Crown, the crown itself sort of their power seems
to be, as you're describing, more clandestine in the sense

(01:48:52):
of what do they really kind of pull, what strings
are they pulling behind the scenes of the larger geopolitical space,
and then even in their own country. I think it's
probably a little darker than we'd ever dream And I
know you're mentioning the Prince Andrew because they just dropped
his title for obvious reasons, because he's heavily involved with
Epstein and the rest of that. But yeah, well said

(01:49:13):
all that, I think you're spot on and it's something
we should watch because maybe they're next on a heist
or something, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:49:21):
Yeah, And that was my little bit.

Speaker 12 (01:49:23):
I mean, I didn't really have anything else to put
out there. I just kind of wanted to shoot my
shot and just throw that out and see see what
what connections anyone else wanted to make?

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
All good? Fair enough, I appreciate it. You think there
is ritual stuff to this. What's your take on the
sort of the ritual aspect of these ideas? Do you
think it's in twenty twenty five, it's more nonsense, So
you think it's more behind the scenes, real stuff that
they're trying to pull over on us.

Speaker 12 (01:49:52):
Are you as somebody specifically or just everybody out there?

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
You specifically because you're on the line.

Speaker 12 (01:49:57):
I mean, I think I think there's something to it,
even if even if there's nothing actually paranormal that's occurring,
even if they think it does, I think it. I
think it gives it some power, some some psychic power
or something. But I but, but, I mean, what we've

(01:50:22):
all heard, you know, kind of kind of trickle through
the collected conscious is that powerful people always seem to
be tied with some kind of whether it's a secret society,
secret ritual, secret handshake, whatever they have, there has to
be some kind of shival as they can use to
find each other, to you know, to sneak each other out.

(01:50:47):
And so I think a lot of that is is
what's what's going on. They don't want the unwashed masses
to know what these what these tells are.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
Well said, and I and I think you're right. As usual,
these types of ideas are really kind of buried in
the details of things we don't know, things we can
only sort of speculate. You see some of the weird
hand gestures that you know they speculate, or Illuminati and
some of these other things, but who knows what this
stuff really means. Or when they hand out challenge coins,
it's like it's like they're kind of handing them out,

(01:51:19):
you know, sort of after a bill has passed or
something and they shake hands and there's like it seems
like there's like like a bribe of gold being passed
from one hand to another. There's a lot of weird
stuff going on out there that just makes you scratch
your chin, as I like to say, and go, well,
I mean, maybe certainly, maybe you're the best brother. If
you've got anything else, all yours. But I understand you
shot your shot and I'm just a twisting your arm.

(01:51:40):
But tell us more if you got anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:51:43):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 12 (01:51:43):
I may have something later, but you know, for right now.
Thanks Michael for letting me speak, and I'll open the
floor to back to you and anyone else who wants.

Speaker 6 (01:51:55):
To go on.

Speaker 2 (01:51:56):
You were the best. First time callers are always the best.
I appreciate you very much. Thanks for listening for a
long time, and thanks for popping in here. You prefer
me to call you sid Or Victor.

Speaker 12 (01:52:07):
Sid's an old name that I acquired years ago. I'm
a huge Peak Floyd fan, so Sid Bear, you know,
for those who don't know, was their original guitarist before
David Gilmore took over. It's just a name people friends
of mine had called me for ages, So I'm fine with.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
You, okay, I'm a friend. Thank you, Sid. I appreciate
the call, and thanks for the backstory on the name,
and looking forward to talking to you in the near future. Appreciate,
appreciate it very much. Have a great day you too.
Thank you very much. There you go, first first time callers.
He's been on the discord and making smart comments for
a long time now. So this is what this is about,

(01:52:44):
meeting new people and talking ideas and possibilities. What do
you think is going on? Is there some some ritual
aspect to this or is it inert in twenty twenty
five And I can see both angles to this, by
the way, like I said, or multiple And that's the point.
So I'm not really trying to make the case other
than sort of build a narrative that we can kind
of talk about as it kind of you know, funnels

(01:53:04):
down the information rabbit hole here, But what do you
guys know about it? And how weird does this get? James,
if you're there, you're welcome to chime in. Otherwise we're
going to go to a Danny on the phone line.
Hank tag Danny, I will get you in just a
moment here. I know James stepped away. I don't know
if he's back.

Speaker 6 (01:53:19):
I have return and thank you for having me in
here and being patient as I hit to step away
and come back. And yeah, great calls for everyone. Great
to hear from Sid. And yeah, I think there's there's
always things going on around the world that we just
most people just don't hear about and all kinds of
levels of all that. So yeah, looking forward to the

(01:53:41):
rest of the calls you with the men.

Speaker 2 (01:53:42):
Thank you very much. Welcome back at seven oh two
nine one zero three seven. Click the discord link at
Troubledminds dot Org. Let's go to Danny in the Midwest.
What's going on, Danny? You're on Troubled Minds. How are
you tonight?

Speaker 13 (01:53:53):
Go right ahead, Hey, how's it going?

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
Pretty good? No complaints out of me? I hope you will.

Speaker 13 (01:54:00):
I'm well, thank you. I am so glad. James mentioned
that stacking them up wouldn't look like a pyramid, because
that made me think, and then the crown being thrown out,
which would be, you know, the top of it, because well,
that reminded me of some Bible verses where Jesus is
called the cornerstone and also the chief cornerstone. So if

(01:54:23):
you have all the corners of the pyramid, the chief
one would be the one of the top at the head,
and he is called he is called the stone that
the builders rejected, So that crown, that stone the top
of the pyramid would have been rejected, just like that
crown is rejected when the jewels were stolen. Not just

(01:54:44):
that though, when you mentioned screwing the circle, the measurements
of the pyramid also squared the circle. So that just
tickled my fancy. I thought that was pretty exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
Nice. So there are layers here, and so I like that.
So it's more of a an act of dare I
say blasphemy. It's certainly an act of a rejection of
that celestial power, at least in these terms. So do
you think it is ritual? Go ahead, go ahead, go.

Speaker 6 (01:55:13):
Ahead, I think it probably.

Speaker 13 (01:55:16):
I don't think it's likely that someone just stole it
just to get money out of it. It's it's curious
that the alarm didn't go off. If I wanted to
think on like just a basic burglary level, I would
imagine that if the alarm was having trouble, then the
people working there knew that and they maybe seize the
opportunity to go snack it really quick. Well nobody, because

(01:55:39):
they would know who's looking, I guess, if you want
to go that basic with it. But for the crown
to be left there and broken, and also the whole
no king of movement. And I was thinking about that
while I've been listening the whole time I've been working. Also,
it's you know, there's the aspect of the Age of Aquarius,
which would not be a place that you would have

(01:56:03):
a bunch of kings, you know, ruling over, being tyrants
over the people. And since it's the beginning of the
Age of Aquarius, we're in that discomfort period where there's
going to be a clash of the two ages and
there's going to be a lot of fight from the
last age, which would be the old way of things,

(01:56:24):
the kings and everything. So I think I don't know
if I have an idea of who would have done this,
I don't think it was. I think it's likely when
something like this happens, just like like the Notre Dame fire,
it's something that grips the world's at tension, at least
the Western world, and everybody is paying attention to it.

(01:56:47):
So the symbology of it, it has to be something
pretty big. I think, either a symbol of planned things
and ends of eras. It tend to be beginnings of
new ones when they when stuff like this happens. But
I don't think that it's always intentional by by the
governments of the world. Are you know, rulers whatever. I think.

(01:57:11):
Sometimes things happen and maybe the symbolism isn't isn't intentional,
and it just happens at the right time because of
the universe said so.

Speaker 2 (01:57:22):
Yeah, kind of like James was saying, or as Carl
Jung would say, the meaningful coincidence. So maybe entirely dropping
the crown was an accident and damaging went. Maybe they
went meant to take it entirely. However, again synchronistically, maybe
the universe had other ideas. I love that because that's
where this that's where this gets kind of spooky, because
then you're like, okay, so I don't know, like fate

(01:57:45):
and preordained and you know the things things flowing in
the ether. Is that we're all, you know, going about
our daily business. It's well to think about all those possibilities.
But that's what came to my mind as well. It
seems silly to drop the very thing you went in
there for unless yeah, unless.

Speaker 3 (01:58:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:58:03):
And then there's also the aspect of you know, like
we've like we've been hearing about for probably a decade
at least of in in physics about you know, the
observation effect on things if you have something like this happened,
then you have everybody observing it. It's whatever's in the
collective consciousness about that, whatever is dominant in there is

(01:58:27):
going to have a lot of sway or And if
you can get people to sit glued to the news
and sway their opinions, you might be able to use
that in itself as a ritual to direct energy through
whatever your ritual you're trying to perform, or whatever effect
you're trying to have on the world. Like, you know,

(01:58:47):
as deep as it seems to go with the powers
that be, they go to great lengths to set up
the elaborate rituals in layers that last for years. And
I could I could totally or I believed it or not.
They do and I could totally see them doing.

Speaker 3 (01:59:05):
Something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:59:07):
Yeah, which is the biggest question to me, So whether
that stuff is real or not. See it certainly seems
like they believe it. The powers that be, those ancient
powers that have been here forever, that have been these
you know, dynasty families that go back generations, it seems
like they're into this stuff. And it's look, it's super
creepy to me, Like if they're doing ritual magic right
in front of us. It's like, bruh, you know, you

(01:59:29):
know this might just not work at all. I mean,
or maybe it does, right, So that's that's the spooky
part of when it comes to my mind, and I
don't know's there's a ton here. As Herschel said earlier too,
I think it'll be fascinating to kind of deep dive
each item there and see if maybe, just maybe there's
something a little more compelling as far as the rabbit hole,
because I think there's a there's a ton here already,
just to start.

Speaker 1 (01:59:50):
Exactly.

Speaker 13 (01:59:51):
That's what got me interested in symbolism to begin with.
And then that was even before I learned anything about
Carl Jung, which just makes it so much more exciting
and Rosecrucianism and things like that. But I even though
I didn't believe in what they're doing as having any effect,

(02:00:11):
because I didn't, I think there are effects of things
now just from the attention it gets. But even I don't,
I don't have to believe what they're doing to want
to know why they're doing it because and to pay
attention to the symbolism and learn it because it tells
you what they plan and even if it doesn't work.

(02:00:31):
You can see their attitude towards you behind it, and
how they what they think about you, and what they
want you to be doing, and what they want to
happen to you, and how they want control, and whether
a ritual has any sway in anything in their intention.
They advertise it. They put it right out there for
everybody to see when they do stuff like this, So

(02:00:52):
it's not it's not cool, it's not okay.

Speaker 2 (02:00:55):
Yeah, And the conspiracy realm they call that revelation of
the method is that to be karmically clear, they have
to do it in the open in front of everybody.
And if they get away with it without objection, then
they are karmically clear. And now it's on you because
you've allowed it. And again, I don't even know if
I believe that, but it seems let's say, if karma
is real and it can be directed or changed or

(02:01:15):
misdirected or anything like that, then something like that seems plausible.
I mean, dare I say it's a fantastic idea, weird, wobbly,
but I dig the actual basis of it entirely.

Speaker 13 (02:01:30):
Yeah, Well, that goes back to the same thing and
whether it's real or not if they believe, and that's
just another tool for us to If they believe that
they have to show their intent for their karma to
get us to agree to it, then we can see
what they're showing us and what they intend to happen,

(02:01:50):
just by paying attention to that.

Speaker 2 (02:01:53):
Yeah, well said, Well said, Like I said, this one
creeps me out a little bit because there's so much
to it. And the more I dig, the more we
talk about this, I recognize there's so much symbolism cooked
into this seven minutes, which is nuts another crazy power
number number seven. So I don't know what's your prediction
on where this stuff ends up. Do you think we
ever see this again? You think they catch these guys
or you think that just disappears into history and that's that.

Speaker 13 (02:02:17):
I don't know. I don't think. I don't like the
previous callers mentioning Africa, the jewels coming from Africa and stuff.
I don't know if they were if he's meant specific
to this, these jewels, but for me, it seems like
if you're going to have a country that owns those jewels,

(02:02:40):
if you were to send someone to steal them and
then suddenly you have your jewels back, that's not going
to make your country look really good, like having snuck
in and stole them. It's going to be noticed that
you have your jewels back, unless you don't show anybody.
But no, I guess no. I don't think they'll ever
be seen again unless there's something really philly comes out,

(02:03:00):
like like they were found in a pawn shop or
a good will, you know.

Speaker 5 (02:03:06):
Like that.

Speaker 2 (02:03:07):
That's crazy. Stupid stories like that all the time too,
not not like Crown jewels, but like they find some
like Rembrandt or something, and like like a good will.
It's like, what the hell is going on with this?
Are you serious? It happens. So imagine like somewhere I
don't know, in Las Vegas, at some pawn shop. I'm
down there cruising and there's like the Crown jewels come
on stop.

Speaker 13 (02:03:26):
But it might Whenever I go to Vegas, I always
go to goodwill, So maybe I'll find it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:31):
Yeah, yeah, let me know definitely if that that surfaces
across your visits, ANI will do the same. I cruise
a pawn shop from time to time and never buy anything,
but it's interesting the stuff they have in there. It's
super weird kind of like that the charged energy of
these old forgotten items or you know, cast aside sold
in desperation. I mean, there's certainly a lot of trauma
as far as far as that goes. Yeah, amazing stuff.

(02:03:52):
What else you got if you got it? If not,
I understand you tell me.

Speaker 13 (02:03:56):
I just I was what you just said made me
think of what James said earlier about hauntings and things,
and when you were talking about you know, the energy
transfer into objects. There there are rituals to do that specifically,
like to create talismans or gollums. I mean, it's it's
throughout all kinds of spiritualities and intentional rituals to do

(02:04:20):
that on purpose. So I think, you know, if that's real,
then we have like a long history of that being recorded.

Speaker 2 (02:04:31):
That So maybe maybe I'm I'm with you on maybe
I'll hang that on my belt and say it absolutely maybe,
And I'm interested to see what happens too, because, like
I said, in the next coming days and weeks, if
they're going to catch these guys, they're gonna catch them quick.
Like there's going to be some stupid mistake somebody made,
like somebody dropped a wallet or you know, some dumb things. Yeah,

(02:04:51):
But if they don't and they just into the night,
into the quiet of the nights, we may never hear
about this for like decades to come, God willing, we're
still here. But this is the type of thing that
is not just massively compelling but rabbit holy in terms
of what we know about it. And we only know
what they've released too, by the way, So I'm going
to keep an eye on this, and as we get
more information about how it shakes out, maybe this is

(02:05:13):
way more interesting than we ever.

Speaker 13 (02:05:15):
Dreamed, right, And you have seemed, you know, throughout this show,
pretty interested in finding out about the symbolism. And so
one thing I would suggest is looking at the like
Jematria a little bit. But I don't really put a
whole lot of weight on that, because you can make
anything mean the number just by changing the words. But
look at numerology of the dates, and not just today,

(02:05:38):
but how many days before and how many days after
certain other events that might seem to be related. Those
numbers of the separation of days tend to be in
a lot of big events that grasped a lot of
attention tend to be important numbers in numerology. That's interesting too,
so maybe there'll be something you could look at.

Speaker 2 (02:06:00):
Absolutely, it is on the list, and it is part
of my ride up here too that I'll get to
you in a moment. Yeah, fire stuff, don't be a
stranger where you've been. Is everything okay with you?

Speaker 13 (02:06:09):
Yes, I'm just working so much. I listen all the time.
I'm just working.

Speaker 4 (02:06:13):
So yeah.

Speaker 13 (02:06:15):
In my microphone on my computer broke and I haven't
got another one. But I heard you mentioned calling the number.
I'm like, duh, call the number, so I had extra minute,
so I.

Speaker 2 (02:06:24):
Appreciate it very much. Hell yeah, thank you for listening,
thanks for calling. Always a pleasure, and good luck with
your endeavors, and we'll talk too soon. Have a great night.
Thanks you too, buye, thank you very much again. The
a good friend for a long time. That's Danny. What
is the handle over there on YouTube is? Let me

(02:06:45):
read it? It's She's changed it a few times, Little
Smurfs eat Ivy. I forgot to ask too, by the way,
if you have a I'm not sure if you're working
on it. I know she does the Algorithm podcast, sometimes
hangs out with Algo, and also does her own stuff.
I think, so let me know. If you have a
thing there all I'll plug it and let everybody know
about it as well. But well said all that, I
think maybe there is sort of that larger contextual basis

(02:07:08):
of not just let's say, uh maybe casting off Christ
as part of it. Maybe in the larger context of numerology,
the days in the spaces, I think there's something here.
And again, whether you believe that stuff or not, like
I said, is irrelevant, because it seems as if they
believe it themselves, meaning the individuals involved at the highest

(02:07:28):
levels of power. So wild stuff to consider for me.
That's what brings me back every night, says not lately.
But I have a radio shows coming up. I'll let
you know. Thank you. Please let me know, send me
an email or hit me up on Discord or wherever
do you know where to find me, hit me on
X and I'd love to help you out with that
and get spread the word. Very smart stuff. I appreciate
you very much, James. Anything to add, We got a
minute left or so, and then we'll get back and

(02:07:49):
get into deep into the chaos magic and a little
bit more in the numerology.

Speaker 6 (02:07:54):
Yeah, great, Kyle, and great to hear from you again, Danny,
and just yeah, just there's so much I do agree,
the whether it's real or not, the idea of the
magic is always fascinating, and the symbolism and all the
different levels of that. I mean, I'm just late when
anyone sort of mentions that they were thinking of the

(02:08:15):
same thing when I mentioned at a show, because it
makes me feel a little better, like, oh, okay, maybe
maybe I made some sense. After all, it was some
one of these things. So yeah, thank you for having
me on and looking forward to this.

Speaker 2 (02:08:27):
You are way too hard on yourself. Man. You are
waste more than you think you are. And that's the
point though, Like I said, spreading out the ideas and
considering things that you know, I can think of only
so many things on one person, and you hear me
fast talk and trying to get everything in. It's it's hard.
It's hard to sort of take a conceptual space and
then kind of narrow it down and tell the narrative,

(02:08:48):
but then also leave it wide enough open to talk
about stuff with all you amazing people. It's not as
easy as it looks, and that's why I seem like
a scattered mess. But trust me, there's a there's a
rock in there somewhere that's leading us down this ridiculous path.
So so anyway, fire stuff as usual. I thank you
again for the call, Danny, Thanks James for sitting in
and staying up late with us. And we're going to
be back in just a minute here and we're going

(02:09:08):
to get deep, deep, deep into this the Chaos Magic idea,
a little bit more into the numerology and the ritual
aspect of this. Like I said, the more I was
digging into this, the more itge was just popping into
my face, going hey, well, what's up. It seems like
something is here, and personally, as I've been saying, I
don't know what to make of it. So it's important

(02:09:30):
to kind of kick these ideas off to a group
and see if there's more here then it seems, or
maybe less. You tell me. I love to hear your thoughts.
Seven oh two nine one zero three seven nobody on
the line, if you guys want to jump in here
more with James and more Chaos Magic. When we returned,
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(02:10:14):
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Today we're talking ritual magic. We're talking this this heist
at the Louver, which is wild to consider that they
pulled it off in seven minutes in broad daylight with

(02:10:37):
yellow and orange vests and then hopped on scooters and
whisked away into the morning to go have French snacks
at some cafe or something. I mean, it just seems
ridiculous to say, like I said, kind of figuring this
out in terms of predicting this, this is unpredictable. This
is one of those things that you're like, nah, like
this happened in the old days, like this type of

(02:11:00):
has happened at the Louver, including with the Mona Lisa.
I'll pull that story up and read you the exact
details in a second here, But I mean, this is nuts.
And not only that, like I said, the more I
kind of just ran this through. I didn't do the
whole Jamatria on it. But I did the sort of
a deep dive in terms of what this might mean
as symbolically and some of the other things. And again,
you know the eight pieces, the ninth piece being the

(02:11:23):
crown cast aside, damaged and left behind. There is a
lot there. And again, as Danny was saying very smartly,
and James said this too, is that maybe the universe
is kind of making these these proclamations for us, right
and clearly. I mean, I think if you're going to
go to the trouble to break into those place and
steal all the things, the last thing you would want
to leave behind is the crown. So very specifically ritually

(02:11:46):
it seems sloppy and ridiculous, but maybe it's not. Maybe
it's not. I don't really know, And that becomes the
wild part of this and what do you believe? As usual,
don't forget that many of these conversations come down to
what what do you believe? And that's my point in
talking about them in such a wide and varied way,
because I'm not sure what to believe when it comes

(02:12:07):
to this stuff, and if they believe it, the elites,
the power brokers of the world, all the rest, then
what do we make of it? That becomes the question, James,
anything you got on any of that stuff, and I'll
get right into the chaos magic and keep on rolling.

Speaker 6 (02:12:22):
Well, disregarding the crown, in my mind, there's only two
ways that it could have gone down, and that is
that it was the burglars did it intentionally they damaged
it and left it, or again, the universe or some
force in the universe or some spirit, some consciousness, whether

(02:12:44):
it's the whole thing or part of it. Again, going
back to what I always say, consciousness, soul, spirit, all
these different names were possibly the same thing. Some force
out there, some consciousness decided that it need to be
left behind for that symbols, and those are to me,
those are the two big, you know, possibilities as to

(02:13:06):
how that got left behind like that, And of course
I could be wrong on that, but just it just
seems like those two are the best and kind of
the two that I the one I want is for
the universe to have done it.

Speaker 2 (02:13:19):
Which which is funny because if we're going to say
that maybe the universe kind of did that intentionally and
then also maybe made the dude drop his wallet on
the scooter a mile down, you know what I mean,
like that type of stuff, like when when you're dealing
with like ridiculous synchronicities and you know, these these out
of the universe kind of tugging at moments that that
are big moments that it seems like maybe just maybe

(02:13:42):
that's the type of like ridiculous thing that might happen,
which which would be unbelievable, by the way, which would
be one of those things where like, yeah, right, yeah,
they found the guy's wallet, Sure they did, Right, where's
the Patsy's and where's the things? And where's the real
people who got this? Because we'll never see those jewels again,
but this guy will be in jail for like, you know,
the rest of his life. I mean, that's the type
of stuff that makes you like smack yourself on the

(02:14:02):
forehead and go, okay, so what the hell is really
going on here in the larger context? But yeah, I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:14:07):
I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (02:14:08):
I like those two ideas, And is there a third option?
Like the third option would be that there's nothing involved
in terms of you know, tugging the strings of the
universe and synchronicities or anything like that. Zero symbolic stuff,
just a massive oversight and the guy like, you know,
fumbled it when he tried to put it in the
bag on the way down the lift or something. I mean,

(02:14:29):
who knows, Like that's the old that's the that's the
third option here, the normy option. It seems likely too,
but to me quite a bit less tantilizing for sure.

Speaker 6 (02:14:38):
It just I would also be hilarious if somehow they
got caught because of like social media or messaging you
know each other, Like, I can't believe you did that. Seriously,
You're never You're never gonna live this down. Did you
know that? Right? And then that's like the messages. Messages
are how they get caught or something. That'd be hilarious too.

Speaker 2 (02:14:58):
Yeah, or the ol sending the other guy a message
I can't believe we pulled it off. Yeah, high fives emojis.

Speaker 6 (02:15:07):
Shame about the crown though, but you know, at least
we got the rest of the stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:15:11):
Yeah, yeah, ridiculous.

Speaker 6 (02:15:14):
Yeah the other thing. I had the other thing, and
I think I lost the other thing. Yeah it's gone,
but hopefully I remember before the end of the show
and we'll go from there.

Speaker 2 (02:15:25):
That's okay. I cut back in as necessary. Love to
hear you guys thoughts on this guy's We got about
fifteen eighteen minutes left if you want to jump in
here and give us your take. And so again the
normy take place. What do you think happened with them
stealing this treasure? Why did they leave the crown behind?
Was it just purely an accident or was it symbolic?
And then beyond that, well we ever see these things again,
just the normy questions layer on top of that the

(02:15:46):
weirdness of chaos magic. Was this some sort of ritual?
Do you think twelve days to Sowen or all Hallows
Eve and the rest of that kind of plays into this?
Or is this just a sort of Michael Strange, you know,
building narratives out of nothing, the numerology and all the
rest of us. There's a ton here that kind of,
like I said, made my tinfoil tangle instantly. But I
know we've done shows like this in the past, and
so I don't like, like directly kind of repeating a

(02:16:08):
fac simile of an old idea, but this one that
jumped out so hard and so fast when it came
to the idea, not the ideas themselves, but the synchronicity
is involved, and the ritual involved. I couldn't pass it up.
I saw it again. Shout out to Ricky who dropped
this in the discord yesterday, and that's the first I
saw it. I looked it up and was like, holy crap,
this is crazy. Okay, So anyway, check this out. So

(02:16:30):
this gets even more word. This is straight from the
ride up. Read the right up in full if you're interested.
There's a couple of details that are off. It says
seven thirty instead of nine thirty am, it says what's
the other? There's another another detailed that's wrong. Oh it'll
come be the sect anyway. So straight from the thing.
The Gallery of Apollo itself carries symbolic weight. They can't

(02:16:51):
be dismissed, which is where this was stolen from the
Gallery of Apollo. Built by Louis the fourteenth, the Sun King,
this hall functioned as a literal solar temple, ceiling paintings
depicting Apollo's chariot bringing light and order to the cosmos,
walls designed to reflect and amplify illumination. The king who declared,
let Seimi, what is that? Pardon my French? By the way,

(02:17:14):
can I make it say it? Say the word? Can
I know?

Speaker 3 (02:17:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:17:20):
Cure. Anyway, whatever I am the state is what that
translates to, Sorry, my French is terrible. I never took
French and never spoke French, so literally pardon my French.
But anyway, So the king who declared I am the
state built this Galleries monument to absolute authority more layers right,
so to breach it during late October, when sunlight weekends

(02:17:40):
and darkness rises toward winter solstice inverts this solar principle.
It's chaos, magic, targeting orders, symbolic heart itself. The heist
occurred on Sunday dis Solis, day of the sun. The
thieves struck during solar hours in a solar temple, but
twelve days before Sooin went lunar and Cathana forces ascend. Okay,

(02:18:02):
you see the timing creates tension between opposing principles light
and dark, order and chaos preservation and destruction. This wasn't
random scheduling. This was calculated synchronicity, chosen for maximal liminal potency.
And so, like I said, this gets deeper and deeper.
And the question is if any of that's true. Like

(02:18:22):
I said, throw it out if it's not, and whatever,
move on to whatever you're interested in next. And I'm
gonna do the same too. I'll keep an eye on
it to see what develops out of the story. But
sometimes you just throw this, throw this out and go Okay,
we kind of gave it as paces and we're done
with it. But in this particular capacity, you see how
this layers and goes deeper and deeper and deeper with

(02:18:42):
this symbolism of this place in this space and this heist,
which again makes me, I like, as I like to say,
makes my tinfoil tangle. Seven minutes. So the initial reporting
was four minutes and it's seven minutes. So that oh,
that's the other detail that's wrong in the right up.
So it's got the time wrong. It's at seven thirty am.

(02:19:03):
It's nine thirty am. It says four minutes, but it
was seven minutes. But that was based on the initial reporting.
It's been updated since. Okay, just for full clarification on
I was reading through this and I was like, well,
that's wrong, and that's wrong anyway, you remember your thing, James,
I got more to get to.

Speaker 6 (02:19:20):
I was, yeah, I had it. I lost it again.
That's pretty funny. But I was thinking though, you know,
taking the idea of just the crown being being dropped
because of some again universal or even just other consciousness,
wouldn't it be I've heard of rare accounts of people

(02:19:40):
having experiences where they do things and they cannot remember
or figure out why they did it after. Wouldn't it
be hilarious if this was all organized by the universe
itself just to just ad something just so strange that
it does get everyone's attention and it doesn't have some
kind of point. And whether it's the obvious one or not,

(02:20:02):
I don't know, but that it'd be hilarious if this
was These people were that did this, were you know,
also involved in some kind of thing, but they weren't
even aware of it.

Speaker 2 (02:20:13):
Yeah, the ultimate conspiracy, the conspiracy of the cosmos itself. Yeah, definitely.
Just just to point out on the filter, I'm musing
it does this weird things to my lips that makes
it look like I'm pouting and not interested, but that's
not the case. So just you guess, I'm like watching myself, going, wow,
that looks really bad. Mike looks like he's not interested.

(02:20:34):
I'll actually swap it out to a real one here
and so you can see my face face. But yeah,
I mean the whole the whole part of this just
really kind of again makes my tinfoil tangle, which is
the whole point of these ideas. And so okay, so
the rest of this now, So seven minutes, that's how
long the operation lasted. It says four minutes in the
right up, So I'll go with the four minutes because

(02:20:54):
it's going to numerology, that's how long the operation lasted
from cherry picker contact with balcon to motorcycles disappearing toward
a six, which is the thoroughway or the highway out
of there or whatever. So full repra, I'm skip it
because it's four is not accurate. But the thesa okay,
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Okay. So the
damaged Empress Eugenny crown Eugenie, I guess how you say?

(02:21:17):
That found outside tells its own story. Eugenie Date Montejo
married Napoleon third in eighteen fifty three, becoming last Empress
of France before the Second Empire collapsed in eighteen seventy.
Massive trauma right. She fled to England, lived in exile,
lost her only son in eighteen seventy nine fighting in
the Zulu Wars, and died in nineteen twenty. Having witnessed

(02:21:38):
her entire world disintegrade. Her crown carried ninety two years
of trauma, loss, exile, and widowhood. It absorbed the energy
of empire's violent and witnessed regime collapse firsthand, and the
thieves left it broken outside the museum almost as if,
almost as if it was a how would you describe that?

(02:22:04):
Maybe breaking the trauma cycle. I mean, there's a lot
that kind of fits into this, like I said, and
I'm not even an expert, as you guys can obviously tell,
I'm not an expert at all or even familiar in
depth with the French Revolution and before and after. I
mean you can kind of pick spots in history where
I'm you know, a little bit more, a little bit
less about France and the European history of it. But

(02:22:27):
I'll bet you, I'll bet you to a scholar out
there or somebody who lives out their shadows so vain,
There's probably gonna be a ton of stuff here that
I'm missing entirely. And so this really starts to shake
the cage when you think about the ideas and how,
like I said, the synchronicity stack even for a club
like me, and I say that only halfway tongue in cheek,

(02:22:47):
that kind of is not a scholar in this space
that could probably find a ton of stuff that really fits.
We'll get to the Soland traditions here in a second.
That kind of make this come around full circle.

Speaker 6 (02:22:58):
James, anything, Yet, I got it, and I even put
it in Chat so I wouldn't lose it again.

Speaker 2 (02:23:04):
Nice.

Speaker 6 (02:23:06):
So I was just thinking, you know, we were talking
people in Chat were talking earlier, and we've been talking
about how there have been heists before from that location,
and I was just thinking, you know, the further back
in time you go, the easier it would be to
pull off eist. But now you would think so now
you would think that it would be really, really difficult,

(02:23:27):
And yet here we have this situation. So I find
that fascinating because again, if everything is working right, then
it shouldn't happen, except that not everything was working right,
and so why And I'm just really curious about those details.
I don't know if we'll ever hear about them or not,
and you know, as far as like the full details,
but I'd be curious about that as well.

Speaker 2 (02:23:48):
Yeah, the wild Part two is when it comes to
investigations like this that have sort of national prominence. I mean,
I don't really want to say national security in this case,
but certainly national dominance. Uh, we don't even get the
full direct story anyway. It's like they're they're always kind
of like covering up the stupid stuff, right, and if

(02:24:09):
it gets released, it gets released and buried on a
you know, Friday night, the dumping day. Stuff that they
that they don't want us to know how stupid they
are or you know, how wink wink nefarious they are
is part of that. Uh, the setup because because this
feels like a setup. By the way, so again on
day one, this is the second day, we didn't know
a bunch about exactly how and why. Now today there

(02:24:32):
was reporting coming out suggesting, again uncorroborated, unverified yet but
that that that window the alarm was turned off. I mean,
this this reeks of an inside job of somebody knowing
this from the inside, uh, getting paid to drop the
deeds to some criminal gang or something or a billionaire

(02:24:53):
that would pay a gang and then I mean it's
still still the question. To me, the biggest question is
what the hell you do with these things once you
have them? They don't make you rich. I mean, I
get unless you sell it to you know, a billionaire
with a super yacht, and I'll just leave it at that.

Speaker 6 (02:25:11):
What do you do?

Speaker 2 (02:25:12):
What do you do with them when you got him?
It's not a rolex. I mean, this is an actual
artifact that anybody in the world would recognize. This doesn't
belong at a pawn shop. I mean, I don't know.
It's it's wild to me to consider that this type
of theft goes on other than I don't know anything
about fencing or the larger let's say, antique game. When

(02:25:34):
it comes to weirdo billionaires other than like I said,
I always pick on hobby Lobby a lot because they've
been in the news recently about buying things from the levant.
Like I said, from isis even but I don't know,
I don't know super super wacky stuff. Okay, So back
to this now, so sound traditions include. Now this is
where this gets weird, right, because think about it, they
stole this broad daylight nine thirty am. Twelve days. It's like,

(02:25:58):
remember when we were doing we started October and I
was like, there's exactly twelve shows from now till Halloween.
We'll do like a countdown twelve days to Christmas, or
like twelve days to sal In, twelve days to All
Hallows Eve Halloween. But now, and that was just counting
shows through the month, right, And then I flubbed one
because of technology, and then I messed the one up yesterday.
Weren't making it up today anyway, So there's not gonna
be twelve. But interestingly, they stole it exactly twelve days

(02:26:22):
from Halloween itself, So check this out. So Sown traditions
include sacrifice, animals, harvest harvest portions, symbolic offerings left for
supernatural forces during the threshold season, you know, pouring some
out for your homies, that type of thing. And in
this case, the crown functions as a modern equivalent, high
value object, deliberately damaged rather than stolen. It's monetary worth,

(02:26:45):
destroyed to release the consciousness patterns that contain this is
back to that human energy kind of cooked into it.
Breaking it outside sacred to sacred space completes the offering
not kept inside the museum's protective bubble, not taken for
personal gain, but sacrifice in the liminal zone between protected
interior and public exterior. The destruction matters more than the acquisition.

(02:27:07):
The release matters more than the possession. And that's the part,
like I said that the Crown bit business of this is.
I mean, like I said, it's the term, that's the title,
it's the term the Crown Jewel, the Crown jewels, the
set of Crown jewels. And then it's just so this
whole thing is so bizarre and I have a hard
time believing that the individuals involved are inept, you know

(02:27:30):
what I mean, Like like the fumble, like of all things,
to fumble the crown of the Crown jewels. It's so crazy,
it's so crazy. So I got more here, Sylvain, if
you got anything on that. Sylvain posted a couple of
things in the in the bit he lives there. I
don't know what the the the press in France is
actually saying about this, other than like I said, I
saw some political infighting, people pointing fingers. I saw some

(02:27:52):
articles about that, but it's impossible to know when it
comes to you know, propaganda and political stuff from from
outside of your own country. I mean even in your
own country. It's confusing as how, trying to keep up
with who's lying to you and who's not. But if
you got anything on there, Sylva, and you want me
to add to the bid here, I'd love to hear it,
because there's, like I said, there's no value like the
value of somebody that lives in the space of what

(02:28:15):
we're talking about, because that, look, I've never been there.
I hear Frances Lovely many times a year, not just
this time of year, and I'd love to go, and
I hope I get to go someday. But that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (02:28:24):
It's like.

Speaker 2 (02:28:25):
To me, it seems like a far off place like
Wonderland or whatever. But to you, you live there, and
what kind of stuff are they saying about this a
day or two in And how ridiculous does it get? Okay?
So back to this nowe So this was never about
money again, back to the ritual aspect of this idea.
Eight priceless jewels remain missing. No ransom demand has emerged

(02:28:45):
as of now. French authorities admit they have few leads
despite intensive investigation. As usual, right the thieves demonstrated professional skill,
They new precise case locations, executed flawless coordination, and vanished completely.
Yet they left behind a damaged crown worth millions if
sold intact, maybe is even priceless. Millions might be an

(02:29:07):
understatement that choice reveals motivation beyond profit, which gives us
back to this idea of ritual acquisition. Crown jewels worn
during coronations, touched by emperors who reshaped continents, present in
ceremonies where hundreds of thousands witnessed power transfer, which I
alluded to earlier. These are objects charged by belief, history

(02:29:28):
and accumulated attention across two centuries. Stealing them doesn't grant
their power automatically. The theft is just acquisition. The real
working that happens next during the twelve days between heist
and Salin, when whoever commissioned this operation attempts atonment with
objects that have absorbed the consciousness of the empire itself,

(02:29:50):
and that kind of wraps the idea. There's a little
bit more, I'll read it in a sect, but anything
on that, James, before we wrap this up, just a
couple of minutes left, and I don't know, like that's
the title. Like I said, some of this numerology stuff,
and as Danny said, maybe the days before the days
after are part of this larger working or whatever this is,
or maybe it's just a heist as usual. You decide,

(02:30:10):
what do you think, James, anything to that, and I'll
wrap this up.

Speaker 6 (02:30:14):
I was just thinking, let's just say it's a group
of criminals that decided to do this, and they figured
they'd sell it to some billionaire. If they go to
the wrong billionaire who maybe for whatever reason doesn't want
the stuff, that billionaire could then go to the police,

(02:30:34):
so they would have to do a ton of research
to find the right person. And even then, I mean,
but they do it before or after, even then they
could still get caught possibly by doing that. I'm just
really wondering if there's any i mean, short of just
them not thinking it too, If there's any if there's

(02:30:57):
any other explanation for this, then then then the anomalist ones,
the magical ones, because it just really is odd how
all this has played out, And so that's where that's
where my mind's at, just thinking playing it out in situations.
You know, they go to a billionaire, and billionaires like no,
thank you and or they say yeah, sure, let's set

(02:31:18):
this up, and then they call the police and the
police are there. You know, they could go wrong in
all kinds of ways once they have those things.

Speaker 2 (02:31:26):
Yeah, all this is shady af that's absolutely the facts
survey and says I'll find out what I can thank
you for that. If i'd love to hear your inside take,
we'll add it to a maybe send me a news article,
I'll translate it from French or whatever and we'll add
it to the news going forward or something. Or if
you want to hop on the show, You're definitely welcome
to do that. Shout out, Sylvie, appreciate you very much.
Matts how adds if it was an inside job who

(02:31:47):
didn't show up to work the next day and that
right there, I was chatting with the family or my family,
we got a signal group we're always chatting with on
a daily basis. And that's what somebody said, because they're
like that reakes up an inside job, Like watch for
the next six months and see who quits the job.
I mean, I don't know, like clearly there's going to
be probably a very high level person involved here. I mean,

(02:32:11):
i'd really doubt it's like the janitor, you know what
I mean, no offense, not saying janitors are any less
worthy of being people than anybody else, but I'm saying
an operator inside of that the space to love that
knew about the security and all the stuff as usual. Right,
There's going to be some My prediction is that there's
going to be some executive of the museum that knew

(02:32:32):
exactly what it was and was like, oh, wink wink.
By the way, there's a window if you want those
crown jewels to the criminal gang or whatever. Yeah, tour
guide maybe, yeah, I have no idea. It's it's all
this is super weird. Okay. So now this is where
it all comes together. If you're still up with me tonight,
thanks for standing up late. Now listen to this. These

(02:32:52):
This was stolen on October nineteenth, which falls, as I've
been saying, exactly twelve days before October thirty first sowing Halloween,
the Celtic New Year, when spirits walk and doorways open again. Folklore, mythology.
Believe it or don't believe it, but the number twelve
is significant. Twelve disciples, twelve zodiac signs, twelve months, twelve

(02:33:16):
as completion and transition rolled into one. The heist wasn't
the culmination, it was the beginning, the opening working. Whatever
happens on October thirty first will complete what started in
the Gallery of Apollo during those four minutes or seven
minutes of shattering glass and stolen power. And this adds

(02:33:36):
a little bit to what I was saying earlier. Napoleon
brought Egyptian mysteries back to France after seventeen ninety eight
to eighteen oh one campaign as artifacts potentially charged with
Pharonic magic, pharaohmagic acquired during occupation of Giza, luxe or
value the kings and of course Rosetta as we talked
about theft during sown of objects touched by an emperor

(02:33:57):
who plundered ancient mystery schools, creates synthesis of Celtic threshold
season and appropriated Egyptian magical tradition.

Speaker 6 (02:34:05):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (02:34:06):
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I mean, I don't like, I don't even know. I

(02:34:49):
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Speaker 6 (02:35:03):
It is an odd event there, and again, I mean,
whether whether there's anything weird to it or not. There's
a lot of people people paying attention to this, and
from all walks off I'm guessing, from a lot of
walks of life, not even from the the weird or
paranormal or esoteric or whatever. So I mean the the

(02:35:26):
energy being put toward that that part of the world again.
You have water nearby, the idea of water and places
of power being near water. Can places of power be
made by putting objects in places? I don't know, but
there's a lot of sids there that you could go into.

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(02:39:58):
up rest is great episode, best in well, Chad actually
kept on topic. Really, Chad has a Chad has their
own way of things. Okay, that's that. What else I think?
I think that covers just about everything. Oh oh no,
no it doesn't. So we will be back on regular schedule.
So there is a show tomorrow night. We've got the
show with Joe and Florida and James. If James is

(02:40:20):
feeling well enough to be here that we will talk
about Joe the funeral director in Florida. We're going to
talk about his experiences as a funeral director. So if
you have actual questions for him and want to talk
to him about that jow down, a couple ideas love
to hear, and he's going to tell us some of
the things he's never told us before about those places
and other secondhand stories of people he's worked with. This

(02:40:42):
pretty wild stuff. That's that. So we'll be back tomorrow
night at seven pm Pacific, God willing again. You know,
tomorrow's not yours until it's in the books. That's that.
So we'll see you guys tomorrow nights with Joe and
Florida and James here of course. And that's that. So
we'll see you tomorrow night. As we finish, it goes
exactly like this, Be sure, be strong, be true. Thank

(02:41:04):
you for listening from our trouble minds to yours. Have
a great night.

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