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Speaker 1 (00:02):
But I think the development of artificial intelligence developed the end.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Of the net and race.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
It's a prime objective.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
We don't know what it is. I would somebody is
checking it out.
Speaker 5 (00:15):
Don't over where the luck or whatever?
Speaker 6 (00:17):
But it realy five, you know, altho the like could
they would be probably gay.
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I'm glad the Pentagon victim is an opposed threat.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I want them up all the craft generates its.
Speaker 7 (00:30):
Own gravitational field, and he didn't like him. Guy, the
Internet has become the the net.
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Send them the criminals and errors.
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Let it happen, you know.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
That's that's what we're inspected to side Rosser Area fifty
one Avian kept deep.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Under the ground.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Okay, well all right. The bad news is I forgot
the most important part so I could start over or
try and play them from YouTube. Okay, anyway, let's just go.
Let's just do this. Sorry about all that, Sorry about
the big the big to do here. I forgot how
to put a show together, and it's been too long,
so I need to get back to this. So we'll
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get back to this this week, maybe Thursday, and then
we'll kind of get back to full time here. Sorry
about that. Sorry about making everybody wait and welcome to
Troubled Minds. My name is Michael Strange. Don't mind my
kid and play hairdo, and we're gonna just get right
into this because it's weird to see what is all this,
like these little things that are popping up all over
my damn screen. Okay, anyway, so tonight I planned on
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playing a bunch of clips from Joseph Campbell. Okay, And
as usual, the way we do this show is we
look at the world in a different way. That's exactly
the point of doing this is to consider what we
haven't considered and to look at the past and use
it to inform the future, not just for let's say,
society at large in a conversation, but of course for
ourselves personally. And one of my again modern heroes here
(02:04):
that I've learned about as part of doing Troubled Minds,
that I've learned a little about a little bit more
deeply is of course Joseph Campbell and the Hero's journey,
you know, the hero worth a thousand Faces and that
whole thing, which is incredible to me because it's a
way of looking at the past and deriving literally everything
from it, and we can spot these cycles that I'm
(02:24):
always talking about. We can spot all manner of things,
because when you start to consider what it means to
be human, it is very cyclical. It is we're born,
we die, right, and everything that kind of comes in
between there is well wide open of course, but it's
also based in these cycles that have been around since
the dawn of time, and so that to me is
(02:45):
highly fascinating and that's what's on my mind tonight. We'll
get to the rest of that as we go. Sorry
to make everybody wait, Like I said, having some problems
here putting everything together and some software updates at the
last second. The stam roadboard just was like, oh, update
your software, and I'm like, no, no, no, don't update
the software anyway. Okay, So as usual, no truth to
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be found here. We're just talking ideas and kicking around
the cosmic soccer ball, as I like to say. So
if you're here for truth, you're in the wrong place.
There's no truth here. It's just ideas. It's just wondering
about as I describe the things that we've we maybe
have missed. And that's exactly the point of doing this
and talking to each other, and really is really where
we should be, and to honor that, we are taking
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your calls. Of course, at seven oh two nine five
seven one zero three seven, you click the discord link
of Troublemindes dot Org will put you on the show.
It's as easy as that, and yeah, easy peasy. Thanks
again for understanding. I'm gonna try and fix this as
we go. If not, let's see if I could display
these clips. If I can just play this clip straight
from the thing, let me know if you guys hear
this in all the places, because this might not play
(03:46):
through otherwise, we'll just do it sort of the way
everybody else does it, sort of old school, but let
me play this and see if it comes through.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Let me know.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Okay here, okay, sweet, okay, So we're gonna be able
to do this the ghetto way, which I mean, you know,
pardon pardon my vernacular, but we're going to have to
do it. I had the clips all perfectly set up,
but I'll have to shut everything down and put them
in in anyway. All right, So we'll do this the
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back on time for the radio clock, I'll take a
break at the bottom of the hour. We'll come back
and then get us back on track here. Sorry again
for starting lights. We got James on deck. We're going
to talk to him momentarily. But I want to preface this,
this entire thing, with that idea of the hero's journey,
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because I've thought about this a lot in terms of
what it means. Not just let's say we can learn
from the past, right, but if we can't do anything
about it, then what are we doing? We're sort of
spinning our wheels. And in that particular case, I was
back to the well, back to well, what did Joseph
Campbell say about these things? And there's a there's a
particular bit here. So we're gonna it's gonna be a
(06:15):
three a three span conversation here, and as usually i'd
rather hear from you. We can make this a two
parter if you guys are interested. But living in a
chord with nature, the hidden dimension and follow your bliss
are the three things that kind of led me back
to Well, this makes a ton of sense to me,
but you guys, of course, are always my sounding board,
so doesn't make a ton of sense to you. And
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that is really what this looks like. And I'm talking
that the future's hero and of course our own personal journey,
and that's that. So I'll play a little bit of
this and we'll take a break and then we'll talk
to James and play some more of these clips. But
I'm just gonna play this because that's the best way
to do it. And here we go. This is straight
in the words of Joseph Campbell. If you you have
seen this series on YouTube, I highly recommend it. The
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links will be in the description after after we start
here or do we finish there, But anyway, here we go.
Trouble minds.
Speaker 8 (07:02):
Do you think our souls owe to ancient myths?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Well, the ancient myths were designed to put the mind,
the mental system into a chord with this body system,
with this inheritance harmony the body to harmonize. The mind
can ramble off in strange ways and want things that
the body.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Does not want.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And the myths and rights were a means to put
the mind in a chord with the body, and the
way of life in a chord with the way that
nature dictates.
Speaker 8 (07:41):
So in a way, these old stories live in us.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
They do, indeed, and the.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Stages of a human development are the same today.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
As they were in the ancient times.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
And the problem of a child brought up in a
world of discipline, of obedience, and of his dependency on
others has to be transcended when one comes to maturity,
so that you are living on an independency, but with
self responsible authority.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Sorry about that. I was trying to pause it and
I made him talk fast. But anyway, so that puts
us start where we need to start here, so living
in a chord with nature. And this is according to
Joseph Campbell, a personal hero of mine passed away now
rest in peace. But I think the guy was a genius.
I think he was onto something that mythic thread that
exists within all of us. And if we can't find
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it ourselves, I think we have what's happening in twenty
twenty five. I think we have what's happening in the
modern time with the acceleration of technology and how we
become more and more detached, specifically and directly from nature itself.
So we'll hear more from Joseph Campbell when we come
back again. These links will be in the description. I
encourage you to consume whatever you can of Joseph Campbell,
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read his books, Go check out the YouTube channel, follow
the it's actually called the Joseph Campbell Foundation. Go support
them in all the ways because this They've got a
ton of this guy speaking and it's just incredible stuff
to me anyway, So that puts us where we need
to be. Thanks for understanding my weird foible not remembering
how to put a show together. But that's that's where
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we're at. If you want to be part of the
conversation seven oh two nine one zero three seven, that's
seven zero two nine seven one zero three seven. James
coming up next, and you know calls as well. What
do you know about it? What is the secret to
returning to the roots of where we came from? And
is it possible to hold onto those ideas? In twenty
twenty five, this is Troubled Minds on Michael Strange, be
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right back more after the break.
Speaker 9 (09:43):
Don't go anywhere, hose I roam.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Through the streets at night, We'll whisper dreams, dwell in
the city lights. They call me a hero, but I'm
just afraid. Who will save me?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Now?
Speaker 5 (10:33):
In this endless spot? Becoming my own?
Speaker 10 (10:43):
In the face lies.
Speaker 11 (10:47):
With every heart beat my trees through the dark, We're
claiming my strain igna in a spark.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
You know, so cold, I arise from the fall? Who
will save me now in this endless fight?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Becoming my own?
Speaker 5 (11:31):
In the phase life? So watch me ascent from ashes.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I saw a mythic journey.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
I finally more.
Speaker 10 (11:41):
Who will save me now.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
In this endless fight?
Speaker 9 (11:49):
Becoming my.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
In the night?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Welcome back to Troubled Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange.
We're streaming on YouTube, the Rumble, x, Twitch and Kick.
We are broadcasting live on the Troubled mind Radio Network.
That's KUAP Digital Broadcasting and of course eighty eight point
four FM Auckland, New Zealand. Tonight, we're talking to Few,
the Future's hero a personal journey talking Joseph Campbell, one
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of my favorites. So what if twenty twenty five marks
humanity's greatest convergence where AI spontaneously generates sacred geometry, robots meditate,
and digital oracles channel wisdom beyond their code. Is there
a way back from this? And looking into the living
in accord with nature is where we're at. More from
Joseph Campbell coming up, going to play some more clips
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from him, but of course let's go to James first.
Thanks for being patient, my man, your trouble minds? How
are you doing? Tonight's welcome to the thing, and go
right ahead.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I'm okay, hopefully you can hear me all right, yes.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Sir, speak up just a little bit. I'll crank you up.
Go right ahead, your own trouble minds. What's what do
you got for us tonight? There's a ton here and
you're welcome to stay, of course, so we'll talk about
this as we go. But what were your first thoughts?
I gave James a heads up and sent them the
clips yesterday so we could kind of get ahead of
it a little bit. But what is your first thought
on Joseph Campbell or whatever you got? Go right ahead?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, I mean, there's so much there to talk about.
I feel like I could listen to those, at least
those first couple of eclips. The last one that you
share with me, the one about bliss. It seems it's
funny because it seems fairly obvious to me in a way,
because I think maybe because I've finally found my bliss
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of what I'm supposed to be doing overall, But the
first two clips, I feel like I could listen to
them over and over again and still not quite get
them completely. I don't know if you've probably I'm sure
you've probably had that before too with someone who's his
other clips and things.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah, I mean, he's he's a smart guy, and he's
taken this massive base of information and he's kind of
trying to synthesize it into a conversation. And as you know,
when we do this together, it's really hard because it'll
come with a ton of information and you know, you
got ten threads in your head at the same time.
But choosing sort of the right one that makes the
most sense in the moment is a difficult skill. It's
(14:23):
something that takes years and years of practice. And he
was a he was a teacher. He's an academic, of course,
but I'm not sure he was sort of a professional
speaker of sorts. But it's hard to get to not
get lost in the sauce when you talk about such
wide and wild concepts, as Joseph Campbell certainly did. But
I feel you one hundred percent on that.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, I almost thought about listening to those first two
clips again today, but I thought, you know what, I know,
I'll hear him during the during the show, and it'll
be fine. It'll be as good as it will be
basically in my mind, I I the first one when
it talks about nature, that's the one you already played
so far. I believe that first one.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah, I played just a little bit of that, about
a minute of it. I'll play some more issu as
you're done here.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Okay, it took me a minute because at first, so
it took me a minute till you get into it.
Because to me, whenever I hear get back to nature,
get into nature, I automatically think of sort of like
a worst case scenario where computer technology goes away, and
(15:27):
I'm very much against that. So I had my own bias,
my own concerns when it comes to these things. So
I think I had to sort of just listen and
set that aside and realize he probably does not mean
the complete removal of all technology. So once I did.
It was it was more interesting once I kind of
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got rid of that knee jerk reaction on my part.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yeah. Well, and that's what this is all about. It
sort of breaking down our own dogma cycles as I
like to call them, our own biases that come as
part of these these ideas, Right, that's the whole point.
Kind of set it aside and hear it from what
it is, and kind of let it marinate and let
it ste and let it do its thing. And then
if it if it moves you, cool. If it doesn't,
it doesn't, there might be a time in the future
where it does move you a little bit differently. So yeah, absolutely,
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what else you got? Go ahead?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Well, and I mean it was interesting. I uh, I
did like I did like it. I think nature can
be a lot of things to a lot of people. Yes,
there is the physical nature, you know, the the environment
around us. But I wonder too if nature isn't sort
of our own ways of doing things and through the ages,
(16:42):
through ancestors, through families, our own uh sort of patterns
or our own uh systems of doing things as we
don't know, I guess are getting are we are born
and we are sort of find out what our families
are about, if we are lucky enough to be able
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to do that either way, find out what people around
us are about and all those things. I wonder if
that is also part of nature, because I feel like
I'm at the point now where I try to keep
busy with what I do and sometimes I can't because
my eyes are legally blind. They just will not allow.
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And I figured out what was bothering me about that,
and it was that my family are all very much
They keep they work, they're always doing things, and so
bugged me when I couldn't. And that's the way my
family was, and that was natural for them, it seems.
And so that's kind of what that first clip reminded
me of, is just nature and all kinds of meanings.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, definitely, as usual when we talk about these ideas,
you kind of look at the fractal of it, and
the conversation, of course, is just a start, and all
these things are going to mean something different to you
than they do to me, and vice versa and everybody
else out there. That's the whole point of doing this.
But yeah, you're spot on about that. Hank Ty got
to play just another more minute of this and then
we'll get back and get your commentary. We're taking your
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calls tonight, guys. I'm talking calling this the Future's Hero,
which of course is you a personal journey And how
do you synthesize Joseph Campbell and the Hero with a
thousand faces and really take that idea and put it
in your back pocket and carry that around every day
with you. That's what's on my mind tonight as we
roll through this. And this is again a clip from
YouTube Living in Accord with Nature, and it is from
(18:29):
the Joseph Campbell Foundation. Here we go part two of this.
And like I said, he's a very smart guy. Listen,
listen to the way he phrases things, and he's trying
to draw from the historical aspect of his massive knowledge
of mythology. So here we go part two.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
You check this out, and the problem of the transition
from childhood to maturity and then from maturity and full
capacity to losing those powers and acquiescing in the natural
cost of might say, the autumn time of life and
the passage away. Myths are there to help us go
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with it, accept the nature's way and not hold something else.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
The stories are sort of to me like messages in
a bottle from shore as someone else is visited first.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Yes, and you're visiting those shows now.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
And these myths tell me how others have made the
passage and how I can make a better and also
what the beauties are of the way.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I feel this now moving into my own last years,
you know the myths.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Helped me to go with it.
Speaker 8 (19:39):
What kind of myth? Give me one that has actually
helped you?
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Well, the.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Tradition in India, for instance, of actually changing your whole
way of dress, even changing your name as you pass
from one stage to another. When I he retired from teaching,
I knew that I had to create a new life,
a new way of life, and I changed my manner
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of thinking about my life.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Okay, perfect, that puts us for we need to be now.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Now.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
This hit me hard because my name, of course, is
not really Michael Strange. I changed my name as I
learned about things that I was massively interested in, finding
my bliss as part of that hero's journey, which we'll
get to as we go through some of these clips.
If you're just joining us, this is again clips from
Joseph Campbell again a hero of mine and he's the
guy who synthesized the monomyth, going through all the ancient
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mythologies and kind of trying to describe to us that
these are stories we need, not just we need stories
that are essential to what it means to be human.
And changing your name, changing your style of address, changing
all of those things as part of your growth aspect
is sort of like turning a corner, right. It's sort
of like, you know, like I said, shout out Herschel,
you know Herschel is Sterling when we did the Baseball
(21:00):
Show together. I asked him, do you think if we hadn't,
you know, sort of changed our names in that regard,
me being Michael Strange, you being Herschel Sterling when we've
ever met. And the answer was sadly, maybe not, probably not,
because it's sort of emboldened us, or at least it
was part of that journey we were taking as creatives,
as people who wanted to understand a little more deeply
what was happening in the world around us. And so
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changing the way you dress, maybe I'll start wearing a
suit these days and like a top hat or something.
I don't know, like I really haven't done that. I
still dress like a teenager, which is embarrassing, but you
know whatever, I mean, well, maybe we'll get to that part,
but certainly the changing your name aspect of it was
something that kind of hit me hard, as going through
these stages of life and seeing yourself differently and challenging
the way you used to think. And that's really what
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Trouble Minds has always been about. James. Anything on that
and we'll play some more. Thanks for me a patient, my.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Man, Oh, no problem, and yeah, happiness, And that also
just reminded me of changing just changing things in general.
It's funny because, of course, you and others here in
the show affectuately call me the the paranormal expert of
trold Minds, and I don't like that word expert. But
(22:10):
also I've come to realize that I've changed a lot
in doing what I do with my own podcast, but
also just the research that goes into that, and in
talking about that so much, I've I've realized that whether
I like it or not, people are going to look
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to me and in many cases for information. And I'm
still not the most comfortable with that, but I'm better
than I was when I first started. I feel like
a little bit more, a little bit less nervous about
sharing what I've I've found and what I I not
that I know anything, but what the patterns I've found
(22:54):
and what I can say based on those patterns.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Yeah, definitely, And it is. I don't know, I call
you an expert because I know it bothers you, but
I mean, you know, because I'm near my bro and
I'm rasing you, but certainly like you spend enough time
sort of reading about a particular thing, and you do
turn that corner and sort of become that expert in
the space anyway, you know, whether you like it or not.
And so it is that you synth the size a
(23:18):
ton of information, you know. Like like I said before,
if you guys are not following James, you should Selcito
paranormal dot com go check all this stuff out. That's
s Alsido Paranormal. And he's literally got hundreds and hundreds
of episodes talking about sort of the old tropes, also
granular aspects of what the paranormal is and other things
book reviews in the same space. And I like to
(23:40):
call it because I think it really is. If I'm
wrong here, let us know, because I think it is
probably the single most comprehensive paranormal space on the entire Internet,
and so in that capacity, right, like, you know, maybe
I'm wrong, and maybe there's a couple others that have
been at it for thirty years or something, but still
like there's a ton of information there, and so yeah, hell,
yeah you're an expert.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Man.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I just won't call you that because I know it
kind of wrangles you a little bit. But yeah, what
else you got go ahead on in accordance with nature
and maybe change the names or I'll play some more
from Joseph Campbell here.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Well it is funny because yeah, I uh, going back
to the podcast stuff I am. Originally I was going
to go with the one name that involved the word
darkness because I had some couple of non fiction books
I put out years ago and the title had was
basically The dark The Darkness Rises, and I start I
(24:35):
started thinking, well, I'll make a podcast with that as
a title. But I did a basic search online for
podcasts and names of paranormal podcasts and discovered that, yeah,
darkness was pretty much already taken for a podcasts name
with the parent involved paranormal. So it's just sometimes you
(24:56):
have to change, I think in a lot of ways.
And then whether it's as simple as a title for
a project or even in some cases your way of thinking.
Definitely a lot of cases, it seems like over time,
just throughout the course of your life.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, which is which is exactly what we're
talking about here. The change, those changes are important because
we could just kind of have them blow by and
not really reconcile it and change with it, sort of
accept the change as a as a Mister Campbell here
is saying, but if we if we sort of buck
against those trends, those changing cycles that are inherent to
(25:33):
being human, then we have a problem. And I don't
think he quite gets to that in this particular clip here,
but he hintsided that we need to kind of go
with this stuff because it is literally the ancient way
of the human cycle. And so yeah, it's a this
stuff is really important and like I said, a very
very poignant person in my opinion, and a hero of mind,
(25:56):
Joseph Campbell, just because I think we're missing the next
step when Carl Jung Joseph Campbell and then what and
what does that look like? In twenty twenty five and
that's the conversation for tonight, Hank Tight James, get back
to you just a moment. Lets here's some more, mister Campbell.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Just in terms of that.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Notion of moving out of the sphere of achievement into
the sphere of enjoyment and appreciation and.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Relaxing into the wonder of it all.
Speaker 8 (26:24):
And then there is that final passage through the dark gate.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Well, that's no problem at all.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
The problem in middle life, when the body has reached
its climax of power and begins to lose it is
to identify yourself not with the body which is falling away,
but with the consciousness of which it is a vehicle.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
And when you can do that, and this is something
I learned from my myth.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
What am I? Am I the bulb that carries the light?
Or am I the light of which the bulb is
a vehicle? And this body is a vehicle of consciousness.
And if you can identify with the consciousness, you can
watch this thing. So like an old car, there goes
the vender, there goes this. But it's expectable.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
You know, I love that, And yes, exactly, I know.
We most of our demographic here is the much much
uh uh, the one everybody wants. The twenty eight fifty
five demographic is basically our core audience here, And so
we're kind of in that space demographically together where you
(27:34):
wake up one day and your ankle hurts for no
damn good reason, and you're like, man, I used to
make fun of mom for getting older whatever, and now
suddenly these things start to happen to you. The fender
falls off the car or whatever, as he says. But
these things are expectable as usual, and we don't think
about them until it's upon us. As usual with humans,
and the way we think about the world is that,
(27:55):
you know, in our youth, we have this sort of
illusion that we will live forever or persist beyond sort
of the human space, because you know, dare we, you know,
suggest that we're lucky enough to live to eighty or
eighty five years or whatever the longer of a human lifespan.
Then still that seems forever away. But then you know,
if you guys are a little bit older along of
(28:16):
tooth as I'd like to call myself, then suddenly it
sneaks up on you and you're like, damn, where did
thirty years go? And it's here? In a blink. It's
pretty wild stuff. I got wonder a little bit here.
It's about a minute left from this clip. But again,
these clips will be in the description down below along
with the rest of the Joseph Campbell Foundation stuff. Very
very poignant to me, very on the game of where
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we should be with our minds in our mind space,
and if we don't bring these ideas back, I fear
we have an issue when it comes to sort of
synthesizing the acceleration as I always talk about the AI space, robots, consciousness,
sort of redefining and realigning what these things mean to
humans in twenty twenty five. Anything on any of that, James,
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I'll play the the other clip here in just a second.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Welcome back there for me, patient, Yeah, no problem, Yeah,
it was. It came to me when I was listening
to that that it's amazing how he's referencing the whole process,
not just of the physical existence, but also what is
before or after without really giving it a any kind
(29:26):
of labels. And I think, you know, there's a lot
of people out there that they will use the different labels,
but there's a lot of people in the world that
seem to feel or believe or in some cases, based
on experiences, know that there is something in that before
or and that after, in that space where we're not
(29:48):
exclusively physically here. And so I found that little tie
into you could say, the paranormal fascinating as well, because
I do wonder what that is that part of is
that sort of other level of reality, the way it
tries to reach out to people in different situations. Are
(30:09):
some of those contacts being made to get points across
people about their lives. And I hear so much about that.
I had this weird experience and it turned out to
be really important because it, you know, it reminded me
of something that I had forgotten that was important to me,
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or just any number of situations, but so many cases
where paranormal and or anomalous events change people's lives for
the better in a lot of cases. And there's some
rare ones where it's for the worse, but there are
plenty of them out there where it is for the better.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, And he does get into so the
hidden dimension is what we'll do next after we come
back from the break, And a lot of what James
is describing there is also covered in that clip, that
paranormal that sense of awe, that recognizing that we are
are living in a space that you can quantify and
you can count the beans of and all the things. However,
there's this reverence about the cosmos and the space that
(31:13):
we cannot quantify. And if we don't recognize it and
sort of give it that reverence, then once again, as
I like to say, we're doing it wrong. And so
that's again a bad paraphrase of what he's describing here.
But again we're listening to some clips from Joseph Campbell
talking about I'm calling this the futures Hero, which of
course is just you. It's simply me. It's you, It's
it's what it means to be human. And these cycles
we all go through together as part of just growth,
(31:36):
and you know, the old getting old, right, getting old
becomes you know, you're at your you will be at
your peak one time, whatever that means, however you count
those beans and quantify that. Look, I don't know, I
still feel like I'm not at my peak. But what
does that mean? The world will tell you, right, and
so I don't know. I don't know if that's years
(31:58):
from now or if it was five years ago. I mean,
maybe that's a depressing thought, but in any case, like
let history decide these types of things and don't kind
of get caught up in them, or else you'll be
doing yourself a massive disservice. Back to Joseph Campbell and
thanks James for being patient here, and we got Joe
on the line. We'll talk to him when we get
back as well. More from James and your calls. There
we go the last little bit here from again Joseph
(32:19):
Campbell living in a chord with nature again courtesy of
the Joseph Campbell Foundation. Please give them a follow on YouTube.
The links will be in the description.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Here we go no, and then gradually the whole thing
drops off and consciousness free joins consciousness. I mean that
it's no longer in this particular environment.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
And the myths, the stories have brought this consciousness.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Well, I live with these myths and they tell me
to do this all the time.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
And this is the problem which can be then metaphorically
understood as identifying with the Christ in you and the
Christ who doesn't die Christ and survives death and resurrects,
or it can be with Sheva Shiva hung I am Sheba,
and this is the great meditation of the Ogiese and
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the Himalayas. And one doesn't have even to have a
metaphorical image like that, if one has a mind that's
willing to just relax and identify itself with that which moves.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
It, indeed, identify with that which moves it, which is
the whole point here. Basically, we'll get to at the
end of this to follow your bliss aspect. But basically, look,
the reason I'm here, I'll tell you the follow my
bliss that's leading me. That led me to troubled minds. Okay,
that led me to talk about these wild and crazy
ideas is because when I was very young. I've told
(33:48):
the story maybe three or four times on the show ever.
But I was in elementary school in California, and we
were lucky enough to have a very old woman. She
was probably eighty years old, and she you know, when
you're like eight, everybody seems like they're ancient, but she
seemed like she was ancient. And every Friday we would
all go into the library. They'd take all the classes
(34:10):
in elementary school and they would bring us all in
the library. We'd all sit down, you know, with our
legs cross and just on the floor and listen. And
this woman would come in and she would read us
these ancient myths. She would literally just read them in
the most amazing way you could ever dream of, because
of course, she lived this, She knew the experience of
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these things and was trying to embed that in us
for us to carry on. And so that was one
of my formative experiences when it came to this, that
sort of calling of well, okay, there's a ton here
to talk about, there's a ton here to consider, and
how do you synthesize it? You know, we talk about aliens,
and we talk about the paranormal, we talk about all
kinds of stuff on this show, conspiracies and everything else. However,
(34:55):
those are archetypes, those are Carl Jung, those are Joseph Campbell. Though,
are dogma cycles or human cycles of everything. And so
in that particular space when you hear the calling or
the hero's journey or the rest of that, and you know,
if you do something you love, you never work a
day in your life. That's what this is. I'm still
(35:16):
drawn to this space, to these ideas, to these conversations
with all the amazing people out there because of that
formative experience when I was very young. I was like
eight years old, and it was the highlight of my
week to go in there and sit for an hour
in the library and listen to this woman read us
the ancient Greek poetry, the ancient Greek mythology. And I'm
(35:38):
hoping to carry that torch forward and do our part
for that next generation as well, because it's a to me,
Like I said, it's personal. This is a personal thing
that when I finally found Joseph Campbell as part of
this troubled mind's journey, and you know, shamefully they didn't
teach it in high school at all and barely touched
on it when I was in college, and so it's like,
wait a minute, now, to me, this is one of
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the most important things we could probably consider and how
we move from one space to the next for one
era of our individual lives, but also one era of
a changing zeitgeist into the next. And we don't talk
about this at all. We barely even consider these ideas
because of the again, the cascade of the twenty four
hour news cycle, the matrix rain per se right, it
(36:22):
drives me nuts and so as usual. The reason I'm
here and the reason why these conversations aren't mostly a
political as much as possible, is because that's their narrative.
That's what they want to talk about. Let me tell
you what This is what I want to think about,
and this is what I want to talk about. So
thank you for being here as part of this. Thank
you for sharing the journey with me. Anything to add
on that. James about a minute left and then we'll
(36:43):
take a break and come back. Talk to Joe and
I'm more from James and your calls as well.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yeah, I'm definitely apper and I will sort of and
we've had this discussion before. I will not push back
against you, but I say that I don't consider the
parent of our experience is so much a a just
a human thing, but also that it is part of it.
(37:08):
But also I think stories are in general just being
repressed now, the idea of stories, longer stories, not just
the shorts. The short videos that are on mind now
are being repressed well in a lot of ways and ignored.
But when there's so much you can learn from them,
I think that's the reason why they're being They're being
(37:29):
repressed because you can learn from them so many things.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Exactly right, the censorship of the ancient ways, and that's
certainly a thing. I agree with you one hundred percent
on that. And what does it mean as usual right
if we if we can't hear this stuff and notice
it ourselves and talk about it, we're doing ourselves at disservice.
As I always like to say, you told me, I
love to hear your thoughts on this. Seven two one
zero three seven. That's seven two one zero three seven.
(37:54):
Click to discord blank of Troubledminds dot Org. We got
Joe and Fillerda coming up. More from James and your
call as well. Don't go anywhere, You're right back more
Trouble Minds on the way. Welcome back to Troubled Minds.
(38:28):
I'm your host, Michael Strange. We're streaming on YouTube, rumble x,
Twitch and Kick. We are broadcasting live on the Trouble
Minds Radio Network. That's KUAP Digital Broadcasting and of course
eighty eight point four FM Auckland, New Zealand. Tonight, we're
talking to Joseph Campbell, living in accordance with nature, the
Hidden dimension, and of course follow your bliss and remember
the hero's journey. Need not be about slaying dragons. Okay,
(38:51):
maybe metaphorical dragons, but it may not be about all
of the things that we read in these ancient tales.
It's about you, it's about me. It's about the modern
day and how we synthesize it with the ways of
the ancients, with the ways of our ancestors. So what
does it mean to you when you talked about the
hero's journey and I'm calling it tonight the future's hero
a personal journey because it is you, it is me,
(39:12):
it is all of us together in this space wondering
what the hell is going on and how come none
of it makes any amount of sense. That's the point
here we're listening to some clips from Joseph Campbell again.
We started with living in a chord with nature, and
then of course we'll get to the hidden dimension in
just a moment. We're here with James Salcido sitting in
the paranormal expert of Troubled Minds A and of course
(39:32):
taking your calls if you want to be part of
the conversations. Anything to add, James, and we'll go to
Joe and Florida. Thanks for being patient friends.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Oh just that what I was talking about with the
stories being hidden, or the importance of them being sort
of undermined, or and even just not even necessarily with
the link of videos, I mean the air shows or
stories that is a too, but even just with the
(40:02):
way that so many of them now are. They're designed
not to tell much of a story. They're designed to
make money, or they're designed to tell the story that
people at the top of these companies think will make
the most money. And that is not how stories started out.
(40:24):
I'm pretty sure. I mean I wasn't there, but I'm
guessing it wasn't about making financial profit. When people were
telling you stories to each other about things that happened
or things that they hear it happened, you know, myth stories,
all these things. You know, I'm pretty sure financial mobility
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was not part of the original intention of those stories.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Absolutely, And I think interestingly, I was talking to Missus
Strange about Joseph Campbell last night and today a little
bit too, and I brought up that exact point that
recognize what happened. So George Lucas was heavily influenced by
Joseph Campbell. He's cited as saying that he lost the
plot in Star Wars and didn't know where to take it,
and he was sort of lost in his own sauce
because it didn't make sense, you know, kind of crafting
(41:15):
your own narratives. It's harder than it sounds. And then
he found Joseph Campbell and The Hero's Journey that the
Hero with a Thousand Faces, and that basically allowed him
to go back and say, Okay, I've got these characters,
I've got this backdrop, I've got all of this stuff.
But that he started sort of incorporating these archetypes, the
scoundrel of Han Solo. Of course, the hero himself of
(41:35):
the Hero's Journey would be Luke Skywalker, the you know,
marry your mother to kill your father Oedipus complex type
stuff with Darth Vader becoming the father. And so all
of this bizarre stuff that seems kind of out of
place in a space drama or a space opera is
all all based on the Joseph Campbell's stuff, which to
me again kind of punches you in the face when
(41:56):
you think about how deep these stories are and how
they resonate and why that one and it became one
of the biggest stories ever told, right in modern times anyway,
but then also recognize what's happened recently with Disney. As
you're describing, it's like they've lost the plot when it
comes to at least breaking down some of these ideas
of the hero with a thousand faces, and they start
telling these modern tales that are politically laced, that are
(42:18):
you know, sort of gender based, that are all kinds
of just this weird stuff that's like, I mean, look cool, right,
but also like you still got to tell a good story.
You can't just jam back at Star Wars with a
bunch of politics and expect us to be like, yeah,
the Last Jedi. By the way, I was watching that
in the theater and I remember looking at my watch
it was like almost two hours in, and I'm like,
(42:39):
is this freaking over yet? Like that's not what you
want when you get people watching a movie like, you know,
like I kind of got things to do, you know,
let's wrap this up, right, I mean that horrible anyway,
I cuicked out on that, and we'll go to Joe.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah, and I can described. At first, I was just
of the short three videos, but then I started realizing,
you know, just what you're talking about. They here with
with modern so many modern pieces of fiction, they don't
have stories that everyone are interested in anymore, at least
(43:12):
as many people. And I think that that's the results
of the box office results and all those things are
probably showing.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
That amen exactly because people aren't interested because the stories
don't resonate with that ancient sort of sauce that's in us. Right, Yeah,
get with it, Hollywood. Recognize where you're going wrong. And look,
there's a lot of steps in the hero's journey. You
can you know, three three, you know part one, part two,
part three, do sort of that, but there's like thirteen
steps of this or fourteen. It's it's huge. It's it's
(43:42):
massive cycle of things, and so you don't have to
just follow everybody else's template. There's ways to kind of
incorporate those ideas into larger stories and they will resonate more.
I'm telling you, I think it's just the truth. Prove
me wrong. Come at me, bro just getting seven O
two nine one zero three seven. Click the discord link
at troubleminds dot org to Joan Filoda. Thanks for being patient,
my man, you're on trouble minds. How are you certain?
(44:03):
Go right ahead? I'm okay, can you hear me? Okay, yes, sir,
loud and clear.
Speaker 10 (44:09):
So a while back, in the beginning of one of
your introus I think you were trying to alienate some
of us by calling us some regular people. And I
think I took aferense to that.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
So okay, extraordinary people. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, my bad.
Speaker 10 (44:24):
I would think that we're extraordinary. And from when I'm
reading right now, when I'm reading, I think we're all
dabbling getting absurd because life is absurd. Joseph Campbell stead
of here and there, you know, the hero's journey. To me,
it's basically do what you got to do to get
(44:46):
yourself through the day. You did coint it earlier, which
is really good because I wrote some notes. But yes,
the rate for extreme I mean back then, I mean
back then, and you had time in the evening because
there was no electricity, not much technology, we were able
(45:07):
to tell stories, you know, and maybe get us to dead,
but also make us hope for a better future or
a better day for tomorrow. It's a conversation that I
had in my college class so long ago about what
it's hoped and doesn't require faith. Is like that you know,
when I hear Campbell correctly, he's kind of leading into
(45:29):
think and things for the hero's journey, but it's it's difficult.
It's difficult. And again maybe the younger people in the audience,
and maybe not even because even my kids right now,
I deluded, to lack of a better term, capitalism waite
(45:51):
stage capitalism. So I know that I've tried, and you
try to be here, and you try to work and
try to get a decent job, and you want to help,
you want to be productive, you want to get through
your day. I mean, you reach an age. And Cavell
was bringing that up, but I feel like I in
there right now. I'm having a very hard time right
(46:13):
now with definition of life, good life, do where it's going,
and trying to keep things together and you know, dealing
with mistakes that I've made and things like that. But
when you stop, it's hard to stop when you have
the mills coming in in all of those space. And
(46:37):
I think the younger generation, and I'll just kind of
to all these thoughts out now and have some other notes,
but I think the other generation. I'll give you an
example of those kids that were like kids in two
thousand and six and two thousand and seven, it's their
parents lose their houses and everybody and to them, their
parents will probably hear us everything. And those kids learned
(47:02):
the lesson right, and they learned the lesson probably the
evil or cutting quarters of being crabby is the way
to get buy and that was if you remember the
game stop Pump and a lot of other stots that
they pumped to steal from Wall Street. And you can
look at that as like the Robbinhood, just like Pops
in the minor notes of that. But you know, you
(47:24):
want to make sure you thinking a here, make sure
to the Robbinhood if that makes.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Sense, it does, you know, it's hilarious about that, and
synchronistic is the modern day trading app is called Robinhood
by the way, that the one everybody uses that they
made the app for, which is funny.
Speaker 10 (47:41):
That's true, that's that's definitely I think about that. You know,
so you know, who has time to explore the hero's jury.
You know, I wanted to teach, and I didn't teach
for a little bit. Wasn't paying the bills because I
couldn't it full time, and I had some life changes
going on, so I just went that's who became a
funeral director. And then when I put that suit hard
(48:03):
in the morning tomorrow. So if we go to bed soon,
I'm got to be a hero for somebody else, you know,
And part of me, I think this is different for
people because I think we run into different people that
we look at people that we're like they have no
soul or this person's and narcissist. We feel those things.
And I know myself, I've been.
Speaker 12 (48:26):
Very I have very little.
Speaker 10 (48:29):
You know, my wife will beg to different, but I
have very little friends. I have acquainton since I go
play ice hockey on a Wednesday, talk some smack in
the locker room and we you know, but the w
a DJ which has made once a month, and I'll
cover for somebody at the club.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
You know.
Speaker 10 (48:49):
I get along with the other DJs because we're all
like minded. But it's not like day out. But I
ended up being a fielder, so, you know, a room
trying to close that thought out. When I meet with people,
I have to give them genuine self, but I don't know.
I always question is that my genuine self? If I
(49:10):
bump into somebody, I'm usually nice. I don't think having
me you know, I've been told I don't think I
have ignore bating your body, but I have a president
or action with people, and I try to put myself
in their shoes. So dare I use the words and
not to start anything? But dare I use the word empathy? Okay?
(49:32):
Can you understand what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (49:34):
I think I do.
Speaker 10 (49:35):
But there I use that. There, I use that to
be somebody else's hero, to get somebody else to today
because they just lost the loved one.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
Right.
Speaker 10 (49:43):
What they don't know is I just want to get
home so I can take a little map and enjoy
my evening, you know, hit a pattern around the backyard,
or jump into the bicycle right, or maybe watching the
Reregistan truck. So we've got all that ambil you know,
(50:04):
he said to the Christ inside of me. All that,
and when I go to bed at night, sometimes if
I say a prayer and I catch myself, I have
to say, just try to be a Whether I believe
Christ exists or not, it's still a topa. It's still
something to expire to aspire to put the same thing. Okay,
(50:26):
But like you said earlier, I've got a stress test
this week. I got a heart test a week. I
got all kinds of tests coming up. Okay, so I've
had this reality does We're all going to go through it,
maybe some younger, maybe some older. It's gonna be different days.
It can be a death, it could be a car accident,
(50:46):
God forbid, and everybody nature through. But I've been questioning
myself for a long time now, probably about the last
ten months. And I'm reading because I started greeting a
myth of Sisyphis by Albert Candis or Albert.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Klou and.
Speaker 10 (51:06):
I get to some love the paradigms of your full nihilism.
And I don't know if anybody in the crowd' sure
everbody knows what Sisyphis does. And I've only read a
couple a little bit of the book. I'm kind of
getting in. I've read some footnotes. But basically, in a
life where we're looking for meaning or looking to be
a hero, life doesn't answer us back. And the book,
(51:27):
this guy basically says, not absurd, So how do you
rebel against the absurdity? And he tries to rule out suicide,
and he also tries to rule out religion as excuses,
and to me, it almost seems like that's total realism.
It's totally being a realism because Sisyphis basically the analogy
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you think is as you roll the stone up, and
he always came back there and he had to do
that for eternity. So, like I said, I just kind
of write a hand with the notes in the book,
you know, and they're just trying to enjoy it because
I want to read some other things about chauderful Bils. Yeah,
(52:08):
what's the point? Yeah, Yeah, what's the point.
Speaker 4 (52:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Albert Camu was one of the ones that I read
when I was in high school. I was in the
smart kid's English class, so we were sort of like
a year or two ahead of what everybody else was doing.
And I just hated the stuff they made us for
you because it was I mean, Camu was dark, right,
But I had a friend he's still a friend. Shut out, buddy,
you know who you are. And we went to high
(52:32):
school together obviously, and he used to call me the
stranger because he's like he's like, he's like, Mike, you're
the guy. You're that guy that he's just fribing in
the book. You're the stranger. I'm like, bro, stop stop,
you're gonna make me cry. Stop it but yeah, I'm very,
very familiar with that denihialism of Albert Camu one hundred percent.
Speaker 10 (52:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (52:53):
You know.
Speaker 10 (52:53):
So I'm like reading here's the thing I'm reading now,
and I'm like, well, I live my wife. This whole time,
I've been starting to do a hero right or inspired
to have a retire on I right, or this or that.
But the reality of it was, I think, you know,
we all make ourse up with choices, but the reality
that right now is part of my life. It makes sense,
(53:13):
absolutely makes sense that if I've got to roll that
stone up tomorrow and it rolls back down, maybe I
could smile.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
A little bit.
Speaker 10 (53:21):
Maybe I could enjoy that observice. My wife wanted to
drag me out to see a concert and in the
concert of the park where I live, but I knew
it was gonna be all white hairs, and I'm there,
I have to make my terrible jokes, and I'm telling
somebody that was with us. I'm like, I'm like, I
should give out my business cards to people who look
(53:42):
like they're next, you know, because that's how I'm dealing
with the observed. I'm like, I like to go, dam
I'm fifty too. I'm like feeling I should grow up.
I should not that I dress any particular way. You know,
if I go out to the golf club address a
little bit, I'm not make it and I don't do
any of that. I just you know, there's some content
shirts of a combat birds going out with the pants
(54:03):
are just go out and dance and had a good time.
That's being so well since I've done that, right, because
of what's going on in society, things that maybe I've
done all kinds of things. But I'm at this concert
in the park and everybody's got long chairs and everybody's
god damn sitting down, and I'm like, where's the retiring home?
(54:23):
And then the band played. The band plays the Killers,
and I'm looking for my kid, right and I want
to dance, nobody's there. And then the girl plays Flack
of Seagulls goes, you know, she's like, played a Seagulls song.
I ran and we were playing everything. But they were
probably twenty years out of their crowd. They probably still
(54:45):
had there's plenty still shore have been playing fifties and
sixties for the group that was there, right, for the
group of for the group of nice voters that were there,
basically where I live. So she plays lock of seagulls.
I'm literally like the only one dancing. And my wife
came out of the after when I forced her to,
like dance with me out in this park. You're not
enforce her. She just just kind of whiggled around there.
(55:06):
That sounds terrible, like yeah, you need to do it,
but I'm like, come on, come on, and I get it.
And that was like my way to just you just
just got to some screw it sometimes, and it's tough.
It's tough. It's hard. It's hard. I got to look
around me, you know, the weekends lately, I just spend
it home. I don't want to interact. I don't want
(55:27):
to go out. It's tough when you you know, and
then you look at the beer and you say, I've
made some bad decisions. And let's say some heroes, the
heroes out there made bad decisions and redeem in the
arc of redemption, whether you redeem yourself you did forgiveness
to yourself and try to evianate that, that's what that's funny.
(55:50):
If you read that. I didn't read that in uh
in high school. You know, we you know, we read
some things in college and things like that. And then
you know what pops into my head to right, allies,
I said it before, This is Davis. This is Davis
in the theater. And this goes back to what, oh god,
(56:11):
hold out here, what we were saying about the shows
and the heroes journeys and all the shows and what
basically James who was saying about. But it's some things
like things being short and being squashed out. I mean,
it's true. It's true because they want to do it
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in favor of and then I'll go back to American gods,
but they want to go back to the favor of you.
Gods are going to be the tech gods, you know,
and it's going to be believed in those things in
the algorithm and volunteer and things that are good watching us. Okay,
and ask yourself, this are those people? It's same. Ever
(56:52):
meet your heroes or all of those people that we
thought were great okay, all the social media platforms, or
any of those people acting like heroes right now?
Speaker 3 (57:07):
Yeah, not that I notice. They may think they're going
through their own heroes journey arc, but I think they've
got it backwards in there. They got it inverted and
they're they're doing sort of the villain arc instead.
Speaker 10 (57:20):
Everybody wants my space back. That would have been easy, right,
everybody owns my space.
Speaker 7 (57:25):
You know.
Speaker 10 (57:26):
So other things I look at is you know, I'll
compare with the funeral director again, how do you playing
funeral directors? And I had to laugh this week forgive
me whatever is out there, but one of my disadvantages
who screwed me all the time and time again and
just whatever. He didn't have any kids. He was in
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it for all the money and stayed in it for
the money and the power, and because he was the
funeral director of bel air, he wanted to help his
friends and not give a discounts or anything. That type
of guy. And I remember getting written up and arguing
with my boss and the district manager and saying, I
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don't expect you guys to understand you don't have kids,
and they were gonna write me up and they said, well,
you need to make a choice. And it was when
my kid was really sick. It was it was during
the time that I was first calling into your show
when I found out my kid out it's my older.
Speaker 3 (58:21):
Kid, I remember, and uh huh, I remember you called
us from the hospital as a matter of fact.
Speaker 10 (58:27):
Yeah, yeah, Well I would wait for him to go
to bed, and then I would go eat late because
I felt that because he couldn't eat, so like he
would go to sleep, and I would go down with
the cafeteria like and that was kind of an e
experience because they'd be like two in the morning, you're
one in the morning, and I'd go down to the
cafeteria and I'd sit there in the corner and just
watching my shit. All the doctors and nurses just doing
their things, buzzing along, and I was just there eating
(58:48):
because I didn't want to eat in front of my kid, right,
And I would call in and I had the big
laptop that I got. Anyway, come to find out that
his boss, he said I retired. He wanted to keep
his seat in the car. But he's got dementia. And
my friend it still works. And here she told me
she goes the other day because he didn't find the edge.
(59:08):
And I laughed, and I don't even think I felt
feelty about it. I left and I could say shame
on me, not shame on me, anybody else there could
say whatever, you know, because I've got another friend of
mine and he's going through with his mom. He called me.
He's like, hey man, he goes, I can't get help
my mom, his dad. I don't want you to help me.
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I just want to know that you're going to be
there at the end. And I'm like, wait to call
a friend. But friends do that, you know. I have
friends that called me out of the blue and I'm like,
this is not a good phone call. But for him,
I have a little bit of compassion and I was
able to call hospice to get him help. And he's like,
I don't know what you did. And I said, well,
I talked to the hospice every day, so I got
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you help and I got him help, and I felt
I felt good about that I did the job because
he was my friend. Because if a friend asked for help,
you help. Right the loop my old boss when I
got told this week he had he couldn't even find
the action part of a fe year old. I had
a nice left.
Speaker 7 (01:00:09):
That was it.
Speaker 10 (01:00:10):
I feel you you got a he because because does
that make me not a hero? Does that make me
a terrible person?
Speaker 12 (01:00:16):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
No, no, I was just just a reminder again because
we'll be there. Well one day, we'll be there, you know,
to not sort of snicker at other's misfortune. So h
and I get you, though, I completely get you because
this guy has done you wrong for for forever. And look,
I've got the type too. I've met people like this,
which is why I checked out, by the way, I
left corporate corporate America entirely because I was not built
(01:00:38):
for it. I was not built to lie, cheat and
steel to get to the top and not care about
what we were actually doing. And I left, and you know,
to my detriment, I could be you know, wealthier all
the things, and I choose to be honest instead. And well,
here I am doing trouble minds.
Speaker 10 (01:00:54):
Yeah, it's it's definitely want to double like that, my
buddy tells me, because I do. If we were to
stay in New yorkle kids just would probably be making
you know, we'd be banking right now. It's like wasting
It's not it's a bad word to say it, but
I feel like I got waste of potential, but because
it really wasted it for making other people's lives better.
If you've got to talk, so want if we're here
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to bank, if we're here to do these things, we.
Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Could be out doing worse, worse, We could be able
there doing why worse?
Speaker 10 (01:01:23):
You know what I mean? So I don't know. But
maybe in the future, which is now, maybe the lie,
maybe AI will give us time to get a little
bit of you know, UBI and maybe have time to
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be a hero in our community. If that makes sense.
Maybe it would have us ask ourselves, which we've forgotten
the things that I do now? Is this for the
public good? Forget not that we get the politics. But
that's a question that nobody asks anymore. We do, okay,
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we do here. The question should not be asked. Is
this for me to consolidate and maintain power? And that's
going to go for both.
Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Sides, absolutely, absolutely thirty seconds.
Speaker 10 (01:02:22):
The lives that we lead when we get out tomorrow,
the lives that we lead, are we going to try
to on that enorm mistakes and be a better person
for the community, not for God, not for anything, Because
if I was reading it, certain is a right we
all we have is now when we die, maybe we'll
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figure out the rest if there's something there, and then
we take that journey then, But for now we're here.
This is the only time we have to make an impression.
Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Amen.
Speaker 12 (01:02:54):
Brother.
Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Times running out, times running out. That's the thing. So
let's let's remind ourselves that continue to do the best
you can because time is precious, and so for some
of us it's not just a blessing, but it's all
we've got. You're the best brother. I appreciate the call.
Heather right night as Joan Florida, good friend for a
long time. By the way, No joke met him years ago.
He called from the hospital. His kid was sick and
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he was listening to Troubled Minds. We were talking to aliens.
We're right back, We're talking to the futures. Hero Tonight
A personal journey. Joseph Campbell, What the hell does it mean?
Speaker 12 (01:03:23):
More?
Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Coming up from James and here calls as well, don't
go anywhere, be a right back More Trouble Minds all
the way, Welcome back to Troubled Minds. Blah blah, YadA YadA,
(01:03:54):
all the places, all the things. We're talking to the
Future's Hero Tonight A personal journey. One of my favorites.
Joseph Campbell and the Hero's Journey. The Hero with a
Thousand Faces now playing some clips, living in accord with Nature,
the Hidden Dimension and follow your bliss as part of this,
and we got James with us tonight of Salcito Paranormal,
and we're just talking about these ideas and what they
mean in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
Now.
Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Yeah, look, my calling is very easy. It's very simple.
Like I said, I didn't want to be some corporate
slumlord or something. I didn't want to be some bastard
that just made money off of everybody else's misery. So
instead here I am not making any money doing this
because this is honest. This is a way to look
at the world and wonder if how we belong in it,
if and when and where and why we all have
(01:04:36):
a place and so, you know, like we all have
to make those decisions on what we want to give
up to, you know, for what we can have, And
clearly I've made mine. And that's one of one of
the major reasons I'm here is I just as I described,
I can't do corporate America. You know, they can stuff
it and I'm not going to I'm not going to
do that. I Am not going to be part of
the systems that are as grotesque as as they seem,
(01:05:00):
and that are very obvious to the rest of us
but fire stuff. I appreciate the call from Joe there, James,
anything to add real quick, and then I want to
play just one minute from Joseph Campbell to get lead
us in. And then we got Derek the Nce Talker
coming up as well. James, you and then we'll go
to Derek in just a moment.
Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Yeah, a great call from Joe. Great to hear from him.
And yeah, it's I think this call reminded me of
my life and some of the things I've done here
and there that you know, I wish I had acted differently,
and and some of those things still haunt me in
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the form of form of dreams to this day every
once in a while. I've mentioned that before here and there,
and I'll talk more about that later. If there's having
exit is a sort of fascinating thing to me in
a way, even though I'm experiencing it here and there.
So anyway, Yeah, great call from Joe, looking forward to Derek.
Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
And the rest and you were the best. And so
here's the thing too, regarding that it's incredibly important to
wreck it is that things you regret can just be
a boat anchor, or can be something you learn from
and don't do it again, right, and sort of push
forward with the opposite of whatever that message was initially
within yourself. And that's how we sort of encapsulate the
(01:06:15):
butterfly effect together and push for a better space. Back
to Joseph Campbell, just a quick clip here, and then
we'll go to the Death the knighte Knocker. Hangtime, my friend.
Now he's talking about in this one the hidden dimension. Now,
this is where it starts to get weird and get
kind of paranormal esque, because we're moving through the threshold.
Listen to this. This is wild.
Speaker 8 (01:06:31):
Is there something in common in every culture that creates this.
Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
Need for God? Well, I think.
Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Anyone who has an experience of mystery at all knows
that there is a dimension, let's say, of the universe
that is not that which is available to his senses.
There's a wonderful saying in one of the panishads, when
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before a sunset or a mountain and the beauty of
this or of that, you pause and say, ah, that
is participation in divinity.
Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
And I think that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
It's the realization of wonder and also the experience of
tremendous power, which people, of course living in the world
of nature are experiencing all the time.
Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Okay, we'll leave it there, but you get it. We're
talking about now sort of. I love how he talks
about Christ too. He talks about the Christ consciousness, Okay,
which to me again as a sort of born and
raised in California, sort of a Catholic for five years
with my grandma when we lived with her for a
little bit. You know, when people say Christ or Jesus,
(01:07:52):
you know you kind of run away because you think
they're trying to convert you to something, right, but when
you talk about the Christ consciousness, it seems completely different
to me. Right, maybe I'm wrong and it's just sort
of the old bias of mind that I need to shake,
But I mean, that's that's the old way, the old
way of me. But it's interesting when he talks about it.
He talks about it sort of in the sense of
a larger context. And I'll talk about that a little
bit more as we go, but we got calls, so
(01:08:14):
let's get to those. I'd love to hear your thoughts
on this. We're talking the hero's journey tonight, Joseph Campbell,
the Hero with a Thousand Faces, and of course the
future's hero, which would be you, which would be me,
which would be us together? And how do we integrate
this into the present and of course the coming future.
I'd love to hear your thoughts. Seven oh two nine
five seven one zero three seven Click the discord link
of Trouble Minds dot Org. We'll put you on the
(01:08:34):
show just like this from Derek, Massachusetts. What's a brother
of the ice locker? How are you welcome to the joint?
Thanks for being patient. You're on Troubled Minds. I hope
you're well. Go right ahead. A lot of ways to
take this, as you know, you're a very creative and
clever guy. And what do you got and take it
anywhere you're like the testing.
Speaker 7 (01:08:53):
I'm gonna little like over here. I'm not sure it
does you sound fine?
Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Sound good? Cool?
Speaker 13 (01:08:59):
Little echo on my end when I was okay, fixed, Sorry, yeah,
great show, great show, well stuff. I don't have a
ton I have no notes short handed that work, so
I'm just uh, I just we're happening to take it.
I wasn't playing on Colin, but just happen to take
a break and there was nobody on the line, so
I picked it out, hoping.
Speaker 7 (01:09:15):
Had a few thoughts here.
Speaker 13 (01:09:18):
First, Uh, when Joe said that he feels like he's
a little bit of a wasted potential, that like.
Speaker 7 (01:09:24):
Really resonated hard of me.
Speaker 13 (01:09:25):
I feel like I'm just I'm reckoning with the idea
of being thirty five, maybe thirty six and in a
few months now, and I'm just like and it's weird,
like nostalgia purgatory or watching old stuff, and I'm just
like trying to like contextualize my life and I don't know,
it's just it's it's weird, but just to waste the potential.
So I've been thinking about waste potential and stuff. And
(01:09:49):
then I was like thinking about I was watching like
Batman and stuff, and I was thinking about, like how
there's so many villains in Gotham that have to be
like mainly gang and there's probably like more gangs than
there are people to save or whatever, and it's like
it's almost like these people to save are like NPCs
are just popping up so Batman can save them, and
he's that kind of a weird prison or whatever.
Speaker 7 (01:10:09):
But like the waste potential aspect of it, and I
did feel like a.
Speaker 13 (01:10:12):
Lot of people deal with that a lot like, I
feel like that's kind of the when I talk about
the Gen X anks with the kind of the fight
club ancs, kind of the office space slacker clerks, like
reality bites type thing in my head at kind of
the first generation to really reckon with the waste of
potential aspect of it.
Speaker 7 (01:10:32):
And I feel like there's.
Speaker 13 (01:10:33):
More stimuli and more like overtly bad stuff to kind
of occupy millennial and Gen V mind, but they're also
kind of dealing with that same thing. So I wonder
if part of the hero's journey is to kind of
come to grips with that, Like, not everyone is going
to be the is Luke Skywalker. Some people are just
like a person in the canteen there, some people are
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are he's not an uncle, or some people are just
like need to be saved. It would ever, so it
was like like if everyone can't be a Loo because
everyone like reckoning with that idea, because we've got like
before that generations before they didn't have the idea of
that hero's journey necessarily puts so overs like first and
foremost but like every writer knows here journey and just
the way the specialness of definitely my generation, but like
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I feel like reckoning with the fact that you didn't
save the galaxy.
Speaker 7 (01:11:27):
Like WHENY hit forty whatever, maybe, like I don't know.
Speaker 13 (01:11:32):
The future heroes is to realize that doing everyday stuff
and being a hero to your family and community and
smaller things are a hero and it's not always like
all to adventure and sometimes you never get the call
and having to deal with that feeling of wasaice and
potential like why did I get the call?
Speaker 7 (01:11:47):
Why did I get like that? That's my power Range
is pitch?
Speaker 12 (01:11:50):
Is that?
Speaker 7 (01:11:50):
Like, stop trying to make a reboot Power Rangers movie
for kids. They don't want it.
Speaker 13 (01:11:54):
There's like a four year window where pow rangeres was
cool and like ninety three. Make it for those kids
now who are thirty five, who finally got the call.
They thought they were were going to get the call
because there it's teenageer of the latitude, it was of
the Far Ranges and they come and wrecking with the
last twenty years.
Speaker 7 (01:12:08):
Damn, I wanted to be hero, but I never got
the call, and finally they get the call or whatever.
Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
But like what if?
Speaker 7 (01:12:15):
What if that makes sense?
Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
I'm trying to say, yeah, no, I follow you. I
think the call is an interesting part of this because
it is different for everybody. And back to the canteena
scene in Star Wars, right, You're like, okay, so those
people aren't Luke Skywalker, but those you know, they got
the Alien Band. Their call was you know, playing in
dive bars, you know, and maybe not necessarily that, but
it was certainly the musical aspect that drew them to
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the space. And so I think, you know, and it
probably saved their lives, you know, in terms of that
inspiration and where they took it. And you know, as usual,
you know, they maybe they had a day job, right,
and they're they're like grinded by night because their soul
needs it, and they you know again, and think about
how ridiculous we're describing this as the Alien Band grinding
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a day job to save their soul by night, because
you know, it's it's what they need. They crave the
music that doesn't pay the bills. And so I mean,
so I think the calling part of it is the
most nebulous because it can be many things for people
and for for everybody, and so I think that's that's
the interesting part of this and the most difficult because
(01:13:19):
it seems like we all want to be Luke Skywalker,
but clearly we all can't be. There's only one Luke Skywalker.
But I think those those those resonant uh circles, the
same cycles we're always talking about, regardless of whether it's
Luke Luke or not. Saving the galaxy. I think saving
the galaxy means saving yourself first, and if you can't
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do that, I think we got massive problems. And think
about that canteena band. You know, they're in some dive
bar in moss Eisley, which is you know, the the
the hive of scum and villainy as said, but they're
still grinding away in the bar. They're playing music, you know,
boom boom, boom boom, whatever the hell was it. I mean, anyway,
just as an example, there is that that you cited.
And I think I think the calling part is probably
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the most difficult, difficult of this because we don't really know.
And as they say too regarding us getting older, the
old the old meme goes something like this. You know,
Tolkien didn't start writing Lord of the Rings till he
was forty five or something like that, right, So, I mean,
so so everybody, I mean, look, your calling is there,
like it's it's it's built into you. It's sort of
(01:14:22):
just finding it, you know, kind of doing it and
kind of kind of chasing it. And look, again, this
doesn't pay my bills, Like I'm grinding my guts out
to be here night after night, you know, which is
why I need some time off. And so it's a
it is it's Catharsis for me, but also it's I
hope in some capacity it's Catharsist for you and everybody else.
That's part of this and that's the point and hopefully
a little bit of inspiration to recognize some random guy
(01:14:45):
from the Bay Area that you know, was called the
Stranger in high school that you know, kind of came
out of the nihilistic aspect of doom and gloom to
to maybe find some hope in the calling. Because I
think fundamentally, as I like to say, for doing it right,
I think that's what this is about. Anyway.
Speaker 7 (01:15:02):
Yeah, yeah, it makes me think that. Put again, so
I don't know if there is.
Speaker 13 (01:15:08):
Yeah, it makes me wonder that like like Luke, he
has that he has that kind of angst he has
that Damn what am I?
Speaker 7 (01:15:14):
What am I?
Speaker 13 (01:15:15):
Doing My friends are all going up their call is
or be pilots or whatever, and I'm kind of stuck
here on the farm or whatever. And he dreamed of
adventure and then it came for him and stuff. But
what if it never came for him? Where would he be?
Would he would he be depressed forever? Would he be
that like dopey person that is kind of a what
blanket in the beginning of the series and never never
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like transform himself into a complete person by.
Speaker 7 (01:15:38):
The end, Like do you only have one call?
Speaker 13 (01:15:41):
Or like could he only be satisfied with that adventure
or is that like his destiny like or is it
somebody like I don't know, I feel like that feeling
that he had kind of everyone kind of has to
some degree. So his neighbor potentially had the same is
also dealing with the same thing.
Speaker 7 (01:15:58):
His friend are going away.
Speaker 13 (01:15:59):
He's wrapped in the farm and everything, and his dad's
not dreath Vader, you know, and his family's not like
mixed up in these adventures and stuff. And maybe to
hero with a dozen faces, And we've talked about the
main character, but maybe we have to kind of expand
to the everyday heroes. Maybe that's the problem that we're
seeing right now with it's framed us as like the
(01:16:19):
participation trophy generation or whatever, but in another like kind
of twist, it's like it's like disappointment that you're not
the star of the show. And this could be generation
going back like like tick aning of Hollywood, or or
you're kind of like gree did this kind of like
other version of ourselves that we're comparing everybody to, or
(01:16:40):
we're comparing our life what we see in the media
and all that kind of stuff. Everyone wants to be
the star, everyone wants to be the hero or and
it's kind of like making it so I mean the
gen Z versions. Everyone wants to be an influenceer nonybody
wants to be a plumber or uh like like till
the fields to stuff.
Speaker 7 (01:16:57):
Obviously, because you can be on your you can be
on social media and.
Speaker 13 (01:17:00):
Get paid Lebron money and all that kind of stuff,
and everyone wants to feed that or everyone or previseneration.
Everyone wants to be a pro athlete or a movie
star all that kind of stuff. And maybe we're kind
of the degradation that we're seeing all around us because
we haven't considered the other jobs, the other bases of
(01:17:22):
the the year with a dozen bases, and those are
the people who were toiling away every day.
Speaker 10 (01:17:27):
I make.
Speaker 7 (01:17:28):
I don't know, I don't know, but.
Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
Yeah, interestingly enough, I'm thinking about you cited. You know
what happened to Luke's buddy that was stuck on the farm.
Luke Luke round off his father's Darth Vader. He got
the light saber, He's got the mentor of Obi Wan Kenobi,
all the stuff, right, the force is in him all this.
But his buddy, funny enough, and I'm thinking positively here,
ended up inheriting the farm and now he's like a
you know, he's rich because you know, he's a got
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all the water water on tattoo because he's you know,
they're they're moisture evaporating or whatever the hell they're doing,
getting drips of water to sell like it's cold. But
I mean, so he's got all the water because he
inherited the farm and stuck with it and you know,
probably improved the process. And I don't know, it's it's
weird to kind of again, it seems absurd to cite
it like that, but you know what I mean is
that there there are multiple ways about it as really
(01:18:12):
I think the the the space here and and look,
I don't know, I do not know the answer, but
I do know why I'm here. And it is again
it traces back to sort of that that that magic
in my soul that I couldn't shake when that that
young or the older woman was reading those those old
tales to us, like there's like there's some magic in
(01:18:32):
that that even as a child, you recognize that there's
these aren't just stories, there's something else. And so I
think it is that the human the human cycle. And
I don't know, man, Like I'm with you, I understand entirely.
And I was your age, of course I'm a little
older than you, and I when I was your age,
by the way, I went through a dark night of
(01:18:53):
the soul. So I mean because it was that right,
it was like like how what am I going to
do now? Like I've I've burned out all my prospects
in the corporate world, I've burned my bridges because I
told everybody to f off. And not only that now
I'm sort of been out of work. I started playing poker,
as you know, So I was playing online poker and
then and then wildly enough they shut it down so
(01:19:13):
you couldn't even do that anymore. So I was just like, okay,
well here I am right here, I am. I haven't
the end of ends trying to reinvent myself and I
don't know, Man, it comes, it comes, you come out
of it. And I think your purpose is incredibly important,
even though it might seem frivolous. And here we are
his trouble mind's frivolous. I don't think it is at all.
Speaker 7 (01:19:33):
Oh yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 13 (01:19:36):
And I just think that, like I'm finding more appreciation
and like more heroism and just doing the sucking it
up and doing the mundane for the like I mean,
he's saying, find your bliss, and I feel like I've
tried to do that, like and it's kind of manifested
(01:19:56):
in like self gratification. Like I could be a lot
much better scenario if I didn't. If I sacrifice the
immediate for the future a little bit, and if I
smoke a little bit less and burnt a little bit
less money in the in the past ten years, I
would be I would be more wealthier or whatever, and
this or I appreciate.
Speaker 7 (01:20:16):
That, like I consider my dad to be a hero.
Speaker 13 (01:20:18):
Now more than I did when I was younger, or
just any person who's like working really hard. I don't
know that there's some kind of like dreaming of an
adventure as like potentially a deffrimental effect, that we're only
focusing on one face of the hero with a thousand
faces or whatever, and maybe there's other types of heroes
and that they're necessary for the story to be told,
but they're not the main character, so we're kind of
(01:20:39):
ignoring them a little bit. I have another point that
I want to get to, but like he's talking about,
I don't even know what I was just sented that.
Hope that made sense, But uh, the for the for
the kind of the cycles of it, and kind of
we're trapped. We're not trapped, but we're repeating the same
myths over and over again, this mono myth and thing
(01:21:00):
story told over and over and over again, and these
kind of like the twelve steps of the journey where
many of there are and kind of squint a little
bit at that, and it almost seems like we're in
like a samsar or like a purgatory, like a like
a reinformation cycle of story or of of all of humanity,
that that's a collective or whatever, and that we need
to kind of need to like bust out of that
(01:21:21):
to an extent or or find a new step or
make a next next step. And we talked about before,
but maybe like part of that is to realize that
you're in a story that you're in that's kind of
the gnostic take on it, that you're in the Truman Show,
you're in the Matrix, or that like to kind of
to rewrite the rules to a certain extent, to kind
of like find out that you're in.
Speaker 7 (01:21:42):
You're in a story, that you're in this mono myth and.
Speaker 13 (01:21:45):
Try to escape that constant cycle or whatever, the constant
death and rebirth or whatever. And I put it in
the context of like a Batman or what if the
DC Universe realizes that they're at the whims of the
of the editor or the writer of the story, and
that Batman is like all the the reboots and crisises
and collapses and and and like uh rebirth of the
(01:22:07):
DC Universe because it's to sell comics and it's the
great news new number ones and stuff. But for the
characters in the story, his parents are being killed over
and over and over again every five years when they
make a new Number one or whatever, or every one
shot or every different movie. His the pearls have to
hit the street and his parents are killed right right
in front of him, and his starred forever. And if
he comes to the realization that that's because he at
(01:22:29):
the whim of the storyteller, potentially like you can have
kind of take back some agency and maybe like the
thirteenth step at the gove that we talked about is
to realize that you're you're in the monomath and to
try to gain some kind of agency agency over that
to kind of rewrite the rules or kind of escape
(01:22:50):
escape this cycle.
Speaker 7 (01:22:51):
Maybe that's what we'd both be doing, you know, by like.
Speaker 13 (01:22:54):
Understanding that we're in, like I don't know, talking about
for so long, the monument, the monumouth telling the story
and that to realize to a play that to us
and try to break out of that cycle the way
we try to break out of theunicination cycle.
Speaker 7 (01:23:04):
Or whatever, and then to I don't know, does that
makes sense.
Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
Yeah, it makes perfect sense. It's the head game that
that sem sorry you describe sort of that prison we've
created for ourselves. With on our mind, right, because we're like, well,
here's here's what society suggests we do, and you know
what you should do. But you know, if you spend
fifty years grinding this, you would hate yourself because it's
not what you love at all. And so as usual,
(01:23:29):
this is this is that reckoning. We come to that
reckoning and we make these decisions. And as you described
your father, do you see him as as more of
a hero now than you ever did? There are a
thousand different heroes and even more than that, you know
how many billions out there. And so I think all
this is incredibly important to talk about and to think
about because we're there's no way you're going to be
(01:23:49):
Luke Skywalker. No offense to you or me or anybody else.
Speaker 10 (01:23:52):
It's just not.
Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
That's that's an exemplement, an exemplification of exactly what the
mono myth is to get us interested. However, it does
apply to us back in the metaphorical sense. And I
don't know, Like like I said, the more I'm listening
to to Joseph Campbell again, he gets it. Like I said,
that gets into the christ consciousness and stuff. It's it's
this is brilliant stuff to me, and there is that
(01:24:13):
magical tinge in my soul that I'm drawn to when
I read this stuff and I hear this stuff for
exactly that reason. It was sort of the magical dust
was sprinkled on me when I was eight years old
in an elementary school library. And here we are.
Speaker 13 (01:24:25):
Yeah, I'm not a I'm not a expert in christ
consciousness or narcissism, but I'm like fairly certain that, like
the Sophia.
Speaker 7 (01:24:36):
Character has kind of.
Speaker 13 (01:24:39):
A crazed consciousness aspect to it that kind of is
of the system. And that's the way the kind of
crisis of God kind of incarnates into the system to
kind of tell the people that they're in a system
in the first place. And that's kind of like the
simulation theory Book of John that writ before kind of
places the terms coming the theme that like the creat
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or knew that the being in the in the simulation
were suffering, so we encarnated into the into the thing
to tell them that they're in a thing, so to
stop hurting each other whatever. And it's like, such as Sophia,
this wisdom, this knowledge, this christ consciousness could be the awakening,
could be the Neo could be the Morpheus given the
pill to Neo three wakes out of the matrix. So
the Truman Show, realizing that you're in the show where
(01:25:21):
they live, putting the goggle on, and realizing that all
these gnostic texts, to realize that you're in a story
and somebody else is telling the story, whether it's the
architect or the aliens, or the machines or the whatever,
and how to get some agency to break out of
that story and tell your own story. So is I
don't know, maybe that's where we're headed. I don't know
(01:25:41):
what form it's going to come in, obviously, and that's
but potentially, like I don't know, And I think maybe
the part of the hidden hidden, like like the fact
that these archetypes keep manifesting over and over again in
story makes it seem like it's because we're in the
cycle of this pattern, these yugs or whatever, and that
(01:26:03):
the goal is in narcissism and all these different things
is to break the wheel, like we're in this kind
of evergoing wheel and to kind of break out of that,
to break the chains or whatever, and not just necessarily
like not not necessarily a prison per se, but just
that like we're in this kind of like gestation period
and potentially we have to kind of burst our way
(01:26:25):
out to go to the next stage, you know, kind
of he talked about it in kind of the Steps
of the Hero to kind of read to change your
name and change your appearance and kind of just kind
of change your own kind of way you play the game,
but maybe the entire thing needs to be changed. That
like there's it's you know that it's not just to
the twelve steps and then go back to one again
in the generations, to the twelve steps and go oh whoa.
(01:26:47):
And then thirteen step is to like read the realization
that you're you're having all of these steps, and then
step thirteen is start stepping for yourself.
Speaker 12 (01:26:56):
You know.
Speaker 13 (01:26:56):
It's that we're in kind of I mean, twelve steps
creates a school because we're kind of in this adolescence.
In the thirteenth step that realizing that you're in the
myth is to tell your own myth could be the
adultot of humanity that we could be getting into.
Speaker 7 (01:27:09):
Yeah, I don't mean, you know, some kind of ripping indemic.
Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
No, it makes perfect sense. And that's exactly what he
talks about it further in these clips too, he talks
about sort of that growing up process of you know,
at some point you have to stand on your own
and going through that hero's journey is what allows that
because you recognize those cycles, and in modern parlance, we
would say, you know, come on with whip or snapper.
I've been around the block a couple of times. I'm
not going to fall for that. Like that's exactly it is.
(01:27:34):
That you've been around, you've been through these cycles already,
and so you're not going to fall for the same
dumb thing that you fell for the first time and
even maybe the second time, because you've been around the
block and now you're free to sort of create your
own narrative, choose your own adventure.
Speaker 13 (01:27:47):
As I like to say, Yeah, yeah, it's true, it's great,
and it's it's like that the only villain left for
Batman to beat is a person who keeps putting them
in the situations, which is the writer or comments itself
or whatever.
Speaker 7 (01:28:01):
And obviously I.
Speaker 13 (01:28:02):
Don't know how to I don't know what that will
look like in reality or whatever. But potentially that's part
of what the Hidden world is is to kind of
go into these go into kind of the latt of
structure underneath reality and kind of understand how it's operating
so that we can kind of tweak it and come
back to this reality and kind of make it work
for us. And that could be kind of to rewrite
the rules to go see what to see the see
(01:28:23):
how the game is being played, so that we can
kind of take over agency of the game.
Speaker 7 (01:28:27):
Whatever.
Speaker 13 (01:28:28):
Interesting on this it teams really like Luciferian like rebel
against God, and that's not what I mean. I just
think that maybe like these twelve steps are just the
first twelve, and we have another thirteenth that we're supposed
to get to as a culture, and that like maybe.
Speaker 7 (01:28:39):
That's where we'reheaded.
Speaker 4 (01:28:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (01:28:41):
I'm ramblin.
Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Point on, point is always, and I think that I
think you're you're spot on with this because it is
a cycle, and so just because there's one cycle doesn't
mean you don't emerge in step thirteen or fourteen or
fifteen to create your own cycle. I think I think
you're spot on, and that's exactly what this is all about.
Speaker 7 (01:29:00):
Thank you, bro, Thank you guys. Great, sure you're the best.
Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
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Hero's Journey Joseph Campbell, the Hero with a Thousand Faces,
and how it does or does not resonate with you,
and we've heard some compelling ways that it may not.
And that's exactly the point here, right What does it
look like, how does it feel to you? And how
weird does this get? One more time seven oh two
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click the discord link of Trouble Minds back to James
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Starry to keep you waiting for so long. As always,
the glue of the show Patient and pro is always
what do you got anything to add to what Derek
said or any thoughts you had, And after you're done,
we'll go to some Joseph Campbell clips. Welcome back to
the joint, Go right headzer.
Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Yeah, great call from Derek. I just think I put
it in the chat there too. But when he was
talking about the example of a fictional character, as he
was talking out there Batman, let's say, realizing that that
his whole universe is created by someone, by writers, by people,
(01:31:35):
and asking how you know, how he would manage to
sort of stop all there, break keep anything else from happening.
I put in the chat there. I think, just speaking
in terms of concepts that I wondered how this would
play out, how we apply this to our reality. The
only way to get out of that, I would think,
is too for the writer, And it may even have
(01:31:59):
to be like one writer, which is funny because it
goes back to that monad idea. But one writer to
focus on one character, whether it's Batman or anyone else,
so much for so long that they eventually create it
in their own mind and or out in the real world.
(01:32:20):
We've heard of this tulpus thought forms, And of course
there are examples of this happening with a couple of
writers throughout time as well. And I wonder how many
times has happened where we haven't heard about it, but
to the point where this thought form becomes so powerful
because this person is thinking about it so much, that
that thought form can then either physically or mentally stop
(01:32:45):
that creator from focusing on that character anymore.
Speaker 4 (01:32:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
Well, and that becomes the weird part of this, the
hyper focus of that singular character. But it is just
a manifestation of the story to tell to you and
to tell to me in a way that makes sense
and keeps you interested. I mean, would you would you
you know, listen to for instance, back to what Derek
was saying, and what I added to it is that, uh,
the you know, Luke Skywalker having the villain of the
(01:33:12):
universe be his father and him having the inherent ways
of the force built into his bloodline. Would you listen
to that? Or would you listen to his neighbor who
stayed on the farm, inherited it and became you know,
the uh the slumlord of Tattooed and I had all
the water because you know, he spent the rest of
his life not chasing the ways of a Jedi and
the Force, but instead, you know, grinding what was necessary
(01:33:35):
because people need to drink water on a desert planet,
you see what I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
Oh, And I totally agree with with him when he
was talking about the idea of there being all different
kinds of heroes and you know, doing all different kinds
of things, and I think that is very much true.
And also just talking about that calling aspect of everything,
it reminds me of sort of again my own my
own life and how things happen. And it just had
(01:34:04):
me thinking about how when I started out, even like
as a teenager, I got into writing fiction, I was
really fascinated by that process and the idea of making
stories for many years up until I don't know, just
maybe even just I guess I'm still interested in it now,
(01:34:25):
But I guess the point is, so for a while
my main focus was writing, and for a while it
was fiction to start with, and then it turned to
nonfiction a little bit, but and then eventually things changed.
My interests changed went to more towards all these paranormal
(01:34:45):
things I always think and talked about, and research and
eventually that's what led to me talking online to people
that I've never met before. And I feel like I
had that first calling of writing, of making stories, and
then later on I had a second one, And I
(01:35:08):
will never give up writing. I'm not going to ever
say that I'm done writing, for sure, but also I'm
most of my energy now, most of my interest is
in is in doing my shows, and is in the
research and sharing those ideas with people. That's where I'm
at now. I still love writing. I still think it's important.
I still think fiction is important in mythology and the
(01:35:31):
story the art of storytelling is very important. But I'm
also at a different place now. But I think you
can be in cheting places in your mind at the
same time, even if you're only sort of working on
that one of them at the same time at any
given moment.
Speaker 3 (01:35:48):
Yeah, no, exactly, And that's exactly the point of this
is that the thousand faces means all of those things.
And so what what kind of follows you to your
bliss as part of this longer narrative? Yeah, fire stuff.
I mean, look as usual, it may or may not
resonate with you, guys. I think this is so sort
of cooked into our DNA, that goes back for so
(01:36:08):
long that I think it certainly is whether you can
sort of make it fit your life in some capacity
or not, I think is up to us, of course,
but I think it's there. I think it's you can find,
certainly find elements of this and look at people. People succeed,
people fail, people fail and then they succeed. People never
really take the journey at all. I mean, there's there's
(01:36:29):
so many, so many ways to kind of go about this.
Or sometimes people become the villain, they become the anti
hero and so and we did a whole show on that,
sort of the backwards version of the hero's journey and
what we call it. I think A Villain with a
Thousand Faces was the name of that show. Check it
out on the podcast feet if you're interested, which is
a nice sort of counterpoint to this. But I mean,
(01:36:50):
as usual, look at the answers are few and the
questions are many, and that's why we have these conversations.
Got more from mister Campbell unless you got anything else.
Jams Ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
Probably did, but I think I've lost it. So yeah,
looking forward to more of the clips there.
Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
All right, hang tight, if it comes back to you.
Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
Just let me know.
Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
I'm gonna play a couple of these and get us
caught up here. So we started with the Joseph Campbell
Foundation again living in accord with nature. And this one
gets weird. This one gets the hidden dimension sort of
crossing the threshold and then coming back with some sort
of hidden knowledge. And there's a lot of stories that
fit this bill, of course, but let's hear him continue
on this particular space about the hidden dimension itself.
Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
You know, there's something there that's much bigger than the
human dimension. And our way of thinking in the West
actually is that God is the source of the energy.
The way in most oriental thinking, and I think in
most what we call primitive things also is the God
(01:37:50):
is a manifestation of the energy, not a sauce. The
God is the vehicle of the energy, and the level
of energy that is involved or represented determines the character
of the god. There are gods of violence, there are
gods of compassion. There are gods that unite the two.
(01:38:14):
There are gods that are the protectors of kings in
their war campaigns. These are personifications of the energy that's
in play, and what the source of the energy is
what's the source of the energy of these lights around us?
Speaker 4 (01:38:30):
I mean, this is a total mystery.
Speaker 6 (01:38:32):
Doesn't this make of faith and anarchy a sort of
continuing war among principalities.
Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
As life is, Yes, even in your mind when when
it comes to do anything, there will be a war
a decision as to priorities, what you're to do now
or in relationship to other people. There are the four
or five possibilities my way of action, and the notion
(01:38:58):
of divinity or life in my mind would be what
would decline my decision.
Speaker 3 (01:39:05):
Okay, we'll get back to that in a second. But
as usual, if the guys on point here and recognizing
that this hero's journey doesn't have to be the larger arc,
it could be sort of smaller subarcs within this conversation.
And that's why I think this stuff is so fascinating,
because there are fractals of the hero's journey and even
microcosms of it that happen in our daily lives. And
(01:39:26):
again he's talking about dogma cycles. He's talking about what
we sort of achieve as recognizing deities within ourselves and
without ourselves, and all of that. The influence that comes
from any of those spaces and then of course how
we share those ideas with each other. And it's again
the hidden dimension is one of the amazing parts about
this because it is a very paranormal aspect, the whole
(01:39:48):
kind of moving through the veil to get information that's
forbidden knowledge and then bring it back and share it
with the true world that you live in, that you
reside in. And so as Derek said very smartly too,
that there's this arc that turns into maybe step thirteen
or fourteen or fifteen, and you need not follow this
pattern again. It's time to make your own and that's
(01:40:11):
the whole point of this. That's again, like I said,
like I said, Joseph Campbell is the guy we're talking
about tonight. The Hero's journey and the moto myth. Again,
many ways to talk about the books he's written, but
his most famous as a Hero with a Thousand Faces.
As part of this conversation and what was it to
Airy the Cats that I've read one book in seven years.
I read that in the YouTube chat and he said
it's been it was Hero with a Thousand Faces. I'm
(01:40:32):
telling you, I'm working my way through it. It is
very good and I've been inspired by this guy for
a long time. As soon as I found him, I
was like, damn, this is what I've been getting at
for as long as I've been doing Troubled Minds. I
just didn't have the words to say it. I didn't
recognize there was a larger context to what I was
trying to say, and this guy's mapped the framework for it,
which is absolutely wild to me. James anything on that,
(01:40:54):
we got to herschel with his hand up. We'll get
tim in a moment.
Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
Yeah, I clip reminded me of what I was thinking of,
which is what do you okay? So he mentioned in
one of the earlier clips the feeling you get when
you look at a mountain or I forget what else
he mentioned, but different parts of nature. It's a sense
(01:41:18):
of our wonder or mystery. Also, funny enough, what happens
to a lot of people when they have experiences they
can't explain. There's a lot of emotions that can happen.
But I'm sure and then in my case as well,
one of those feelings is wow.
Speaker 12 (01:41:35):
This is.
Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
This is so weird. I can't explain this. There's a
mystery here, there's power here that I don't know where
it's coming from. And I find that fascinating that you
can have that different causes but having the same effect.
And is it because it's all natural in a way?
Is it because it's all from some part of in
(01:42:00):
a way and it's just manifesting a different ways. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
Yeah, the fractals of our perception. And that's the whole point,
is that if you can, if you can take all
that information and kind of boil it into a story,
these are the stories. And like I said, there there's
a magic in my soul that they sprinkled the fairy
dust on me when I was eight in that library,
eight years old in the library, listening to these ancient mythologies,
these ancient tales that I don't know. Here, I am
(01:42:28):
still caught by it, stuck by it. And maybe maybe
it's another control mechanism. Maybe maybe it's another it's another
ill cycle for ourselves. I don't know. I don't really know,
but I do know. I love it and it certainly resonates.
And that's the point.
Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
Yeah, it's stories everywhere, and I hope they never go away.
Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
A man, We'll keep telling them, We'll keep talking about them.
I'd love to hear you guys thoughts on this. We're
talking Joseph Campbell tonight, the hero's journey and living in
a chord with nature, the hidden dimension and follow your bliss.
We'll get to that as we go seven two nine
one zero three seven Click the discord link at Troubledminds
dot org. Thank you to everybody that participates in the
show and has some ideas to share with us. Let's
go to Herschel in Arizona commercial Herschel, what's our brother?
(01:43:11):
You're in Trouble Minds. How are you, sir? And go
right ahead.
Speaker 12 (01:43:14):
Oh man, this show has just got so.
Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
Much it's uh, it's deep. Well, we'll get back to
this at another point because there's so much of this
guy said too that we're not really going to get to.
But yeah, wild stuff, what you got?
Speaker 12 (01:43:28):
Yeah, Well, I just want to mention to James, like
people who read a lot generally write the best books.
So I just say go follow that, you know that
fiction like desire and write some new fiction because you'd
probably write some really good stories because you read so many,
(01:43:50):
you know, so you should do that. And I'm all
for it, Like I'm all for it. So then the
other thing is the thing he was taking and about
how these different people like throughout history kind of created
their own gods, like they created that, like that God
was the energy. It's the way they used the energy
(01:44:12):
that was there. So God was the vehicle for the energy.
I think of that as like an Aggrigor, not so
much of God. I think that's more an Agregor. We
had that discussion about Agrigor's last time. I think there
was more. I think that's more that. That's my opinion
about that. That's just how I gee, that's just the
way I think about it.
Speaker 4 (01:44:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (01:44:32):
The other one thing was like when he talked about
like how you change your clothes, he changed the way
you are, you change your name, you know, so every
so often or whatever you know, And just that really
resonated with me. It's just a mechanism for some people.
It really helps, like just to create these weird characters
(01:44:54):
that you write from and get on the outside of
yourself looking in just look at it. You can look
at it things more objectively. It's just fun. It's just
a fun choice. I think it's a good life choice.
I think I made a good life choice. But every
time I would a new project, I would create a
different name like I was. I've had so many fake
(01:45:15):
names over the years doing music projects and like different writing,
like phases and chang just different things, you know. I
could just really relate to that a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
It's normal too, like any you know, quote entertainment business,
think back to the eighties. You know, Will Smith was
DJ Jazzy, Jeff and the Fresh Prince, right. I mean,
they do these things. We do these things, and it
is a way to step out of you know, as
you said, the mundane where we came from the crappy
high school. I went to shout out any any of
the people from the crappy high school. I went to
(01:45:51):
if you actually listen to the show, but I'm sorry
it kind of was. But here we are, anyway, so
far removed from that that I no longer care.
Speaker 12 (01:46:01):
I made. I made the best of it. It was crappy,
but I met some good people and there were enough
good adults that I got through, you know, so.
Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
Same that's how I look at it. But I got through.
Speaker 12 (01:46:17):
But you know, my you know, reality wins. It's all right,
all shakes out on the walk, you know. So we
have public sector talk, all.
Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
Right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 10 (01:46:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:46:35):
Let me ask you to because because uh, I learned
Camu in high school, but not Joseph Campbell. Did you
get either of.
Speaker 12 (01:46:40):
Those I've read. I haven't read this book by Campbell.
I've read some of his shorter essays and stuff, and
I've read snippets of the book, but sadly I have
not read The Hall of Pay. Yes I should.
Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
Currently. But that's the thing, right, is that I think
this is one of those core principles we should learn
because it is it's not just Luke Skywalker, it's us
and different ways to kind of break it down into,
like I said, the larger cycle or the microcosms of
the cycle. And as Derek smartly said, the whole point
is to break that wheel when you're done with it.
And that's that's a you know, welcome to trouble minds.
Speaker 7 (01:47:17):
Right.
Speaker 12 (01:47:19):
Right, Yeah, for sure, break the cycle every chance you can.
Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
Heck yeah, absolutely absolutely sure fire stuff. Appreciate you. What
else you got?
Speaker 12 (01:47:34):
Not much else, man, not much else, just the stories.
Like you know, I write my stories and I do
my show that where I read stories and I encourage
other people to read. And I've had and I've had
people tell me they want to participate, but they just
can't do it on Sundays. So I'm thinking about like
throwing in an evening show too. So if anybody who
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hasn't been able to read or wants to or just
you know, but you haven't been able to because it
with Sunday, then you could you could come on that show.
We'll make sure you know. Like when I do stuff,
people need to tell stories. I think we need to
listen to old people's stories. My young people need to
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listen to old people's.
Speaker 3 (01:48:19):
Story and old people need to listen to old people's
stories too. Like it's it's it's all inclusive. That's the point.
And you've heard me talk about this, and we've talked
about this in the past as well. Like that generational
divide pisses me off a lot because bye bye bye.
By bridging that divide, we're fixing sort of the propaganda
that it's like, oh, the boomers are the cause of everything.
(01:48:39):
It's like, hold on, that's not fair because you know,
they lived in a different time. And also the boomers
their parents are the ones who beat the Nazis, and
that that massive, disgusting, grotesque war so I mean, like you,
it's it's so just grotesquely judgmental to me to to
kind of do that generational war. But I think by
doing that, that's part of the propaganda of not listening
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to the wisdom of your elders and breaking down and
destroying the hero's journey by Joseph Campbell, which is unfortunate
because this is literally what we are. So we're not
supposed to recognize what we are. We're supposed to hate
who we are instead, you know what I mean, Yeah,
I do.
Speaker 12 (01:49:18):
And the generational thing too, Like you notice gen X
gets it from all sides. Everybody insults jen X because
gen X is rejecting everything, like they're rejecting this whole
this whole thing, Like they're saying they're they're becoming less
partisan and they're like really kind of fed up with
their stupid feuding parents. Like that's why they get it
(01:49:42):
from all sides, because they're not a lot of them
aren't buying in. So that's something to think about too,
Like you know, like it works all the different ways,
and there's a lot that can be learned from listening
to all people's stories because like we might have to
face some of those things again, like the stories about
like the depression, stories about like really difficult times, stories
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about good times, important lessons. You will learn stuff too,
but still we might need to learn, we might to
understand some of that.
Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
So I don't know, yeah, exactly right. My grandmother still
had some of that great Depression cooked into her, and
she was always holding stuff, holding food and uh, you know,
burying money in the backyard type of stuff in coffee cans.
Like she she was kind of stuck in that societal
trauma because you never know when the banks would just
(01:50:37):
pick up and take all your stuff that you're left
with nothing.
Speaker 12 (01:50:40):
I mean, well, when my family are trump have been
trying to buy the property that my parents, my mom's
family grow up on because they swear there's money there,
and they can never get the building. They want that
building so bad they want to dig it up.
Speaker 3 (01:50:56):
There's probably money there. There's probably like a gold coins.
Speaker 12 (01:50:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not going to get into the
whole story. Well, yeah, there probably is.
Speaker 3 (01:51:05):
That's funny. Yeah, And that's the thing, right, So like
we we are as as I like to say, kindly,
children of the West, and we so we're of the
generation and lucky enough to not even recognize what a
real hard time looks like, and so instead we create
the hard time for ourselves. When stop it? Can we
stop it? And can we like recognize that we have
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harmony right in front of us and we choose to
reject it for drama and strife. It's ridiculous to me.
Speaker 12 (01:51:34):
Yeah, it seems like the history of this country and
just how really, I'll be kind to just say how
aggressive the history is, you know, like it seems like
the only thing that would really be revolutionary would be
like an outbreak of nonviolence, Like that would be the
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only way to break the paradigm on this of what
we do on way that would be the only way
to break it. Is everything else that just a continuation
of it. You know, Yeah, you don't you want to
break that cycle. You want to break it, so you
change your behavior.
Speaker 3 (01:52:14):
You know exactly. But what's what happens is part of it.
And you know this very well that the christ consciousness
of the turn the other cheek aspect only get you
so far, because the brutality of the ruling space will
be like all right, cool, well I'll smash the other
cheek too and put my boot on your neck and
drag you to the gulag like that. That's modern reality.
(01:52:35):
And that's the unfortunate part is that, you know, as
they say, the state has the monopoly on violence, and yeah,
it's here we are stuck in the cycles again.
Speaker 12 (01:52:44):
There's something that says, you don't defend yourself.
Speaker 3 (01:52:47):
I mean, right, I didn't suggest that.
Speaker 12 (01:52:50):
I'm just saying, I mean, or you're title about state
actors like yeah, so so yeah, that's pretty much it.
Like that's but that's pretty much what he brought.
Speaker 4 (01:53:04):
To my mind.
Speaker 12 (01:53:05):
But you know, he is. He does really have a
handle on on some things. He really does get to
the to the core of things. I just don't agree with.
I think it's an aggrigor. I don't think it's gone
to do that.
Speaker 3 (01:53:21):
Yeah, this is just a it's just it's a small
clip of a larger conversation he did, like a like
a big series of like it was like fifteen or
sixteen hours or something like that. So just there's like
five minutes of that.
Speaker 12 (01:53:30):
So yeah, you know, I'm just saying I'm splitting there.
Speaker 3 (01:53:35):
Fair enough. We're allowed, we're allowed to agree and disagree,
and it's all good, all.
Speaker 12 (01:53:43):
Right, good night, everybody will see her on finish mind You.
Speaker 3 (01:53:46):
Were the best. Appreciate the call. You know what you
love him. Commercial Herschel. That's the name of the substack Easytopi.
It's the name of the podcast.
Speaker 4 (01:53:51):
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people write and short stories and read them together in
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fundamental aspect of what humans are. It's all narratives. It
always has been. But until we recognize that as usual
and as I like to say, we're doing ourselves a
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it not? Does it make sense? Be right back more
Trouble Minds on the way, don't go anywhere. Welcome back
(01:55:10):
to Troubled Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange. We're streaming
on YouTube, Rumble, Exit, Twitch, and Kick. We are broadcasting
live on the Trouble Minds Radio Network. That's k UAP
Digital Broadcasting and of course eighty eight point four FM Auckland,
New Zealand. Tonight, we're talking the futures hero a personal Journey,
and it just means we're talking about you, We're talking
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about me. We're talking about the human experience through the
lens of Joseph Campbell, the hero with a thousand Faces.
Now again, dude was brilliant, in my opinion, a scholar.
He went through and sort of catalog that comparative religion
or comparative mythology into one space called the mono myth,
known as the mono myth. Now, why do we still
(01:55:51):
talk about this in twenty twenty five? And my take
is that it's more important than probably any other narrative
because it's about us. It's about learning who we are.
It's about breaking the cycles of our past and then
creating our own cycles going forward. That's what this is about.
And if you think that's frivolous, once again, like I said,
(01:56:12):
I don't get a lot of hate or a lot
of heat from the innwebs, but I don't pick a
lot of fights either. But these ideas challenge what it
means to be us, and that's exactly it. And if
we can't look at things a little differently and talk
to each other about it, to me, what are we
even doing? Like why are we going to just follow
all the crap they show us on TV? Which is ridiculous.
(01:56:34):
I mean, like I said, come join the discord, go
check the politics channel. I dropped the thing in there
that would perplexity sniff it out. It was like, well,
how come there's this A and there's this B that
they're always fighting about, but there's a very obvious C
that is off the table nobody discusses because it would
(01:56:54):
fix the problem or you know, hone in on a
fix for the problem. But instead we're the race to
the bottom. Where do you vote for these guys or
you vote for those guys? And it's just it's it's
a disaster one way, it's disaster the other way, and
it's by design. It's unfortunate, but it is the world
we live in, and so you can you can rally
around that, you can whoop it up and be like, ah,
(01:57:16):
team this or team that, but recognize you're not You're
not chasing your own narrative, You're chasing theirs. And it
is more brainwash that I can even shake a stick at.
That's how big and wild this is anything. Dad Jameson
will go to some of Joseph campilc clips. Welcome back
to the thing. Yeah, great, kaffinhersh. I was just thinking
(01:57:38):
about about what he said about me reading more fiction listening.
I would be listening more fiction, and that is one
thing It's funny that I have gotten away from because
of all the research I'm trying to do for this,
this sort of subject I'm into, and has me wondering
now if at some point, not this month coming up,
(01:57:59):
but after if I if I should slow down a
little bit and work in some fictional audiobooks into my
schedule more than I have been, because I really have
not been listening to fiction at all for quite a
while now, and sometimes I miss it, sometimes I don't,
but makes me wonder if is this because of this
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other calling that I have now?
Speaker 2 (01:58:23):
Is it a good thing or not? Or how does
that work? And I don't really have any answers to that.
Speaker 3 (01:58:29):
Yeah, I think it all comes together like it all
like like kind of interlaces. And you know, if you've
got want more than one A, B, C, D, E,
F G, then you know you kind of pick and
choice what keeps you motivated in the moment to create
beautiful things for the world. I think it's a simple
equation to me, which is why, by the way, Troubled
Minds And I know I lose people when I talk
about stuff like AI shows, Right, I'm deeply invested in
(01:58:53):
that and I've been following that for not just recently
but for years. Some people are like, no, I'm out fine, cool,
But literally, it's been one of the core tenants of
what this show has always been about. And so having
multiple interests combining them in one space is okay too,
And that's exactly the point. And recognize there's going to
be sort of breadcrumbs for everybody because we do talk
(01:59:15):
about the paranormal stuff as you know, the aliens, all
the stuff that the George nap UFOs and the psyops
and the Tartaria and all the things that kind of
come with it. And so I think multiple interest spaces
are okay, and you know, you kind of pick and
choose what you want in the moment, and whatever the
inspiration you feel is is the way to go. That's
how I see it.
Speaker 2 (01:59:37):
Yeah, that's funny because we were just talking about that
the other day with with the audio books I've been
listening to lately, my choice of topics and everything, and
how I had no idea why I was really into them,
but then just a couple of the like yesterday, I
kind of figured out, well, well, it's kind of about
this other subject that seems to be connected in a way.
(01:59:57):
And so yeah, that does make sense. And that's all
I have for now.
Speaker 3 (02:00:03):
Okay, hang tight, you're the best nobody on the line.
If you guys want to jump in here and say
something about Joseph Campbell, the Hero's Journey, all the rest
of this stuff, it's a very near and dear to
my heart. And this is one of the guys, Like
I said that when I found him finally inspired the
crap out of me, because this is what I've been
trying to say all along. Not exactly, of course, because
everybody's different and have their own twist or their own take,
(02:00:25):
but this guy has it. Here we go another part
of this, the hidden dimension.
Speaker 4 (02:00:31):
If we're rather crude, it would be a rather crude
to see.
Speaker 8 (02:00:34):
Is divinity just what we think?
Speaker 4 (02:00:37):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (02:00:38):
What does that do to faith?
Speaker 4 (02:00:41):
Well, the tough one about faith.
Speaker 8 (02:00:44):
You are a man of faith, You're a man of wonder,
And yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (02:00:50):
Don't have to have faith. I have experience what kind
of experience. Well, I have experienced of the wonder of
the life. I have experience of love. I have experience
of hatred and malice. I like to punch the guy's jaw,
and I admit this. But those are different divinities. I
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mean from the point of view of symbolic imaging, those
are different images operating in me.
Speaker 4 (02:01:17):
For instance, when I was.
Speaker 1 (02:01:18):
A little boy and was being brought up at Roman
Catholic I was told I had a guardian angel on
my right side and attempting devil on my left. And
when it came to making a decision of what I
would do, the decision would depend on which one had
most influence on me. And I must say that in
my boyhood, and I think also in the people who
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were teaching me, they actually comcretized those thoughts. I did
what I it was an angel. That angel is a
fact and the devil is a fact. Do you see
other wise? One thinks of them as metaphors for the
energies that are afflicting and guide you. And those energies
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come from your own life, the energy of your own
body did different targets in your body, including your head
on the conflicts systems.
Speaker 3 (02:02:12):
Okay, and this is a big question, so recognize what
he's saying. So the organs in your own body are
the different conflict systems, and this is your body fighting
itself biology. But then also beyond that, there's the larger
context of these cycles that again they don't have to repeat.
(02:02:33):
So they repeat clearly in the societal sense, they repeat
clearly in the individual sense if we allow them to.
But as Derek said very smartly, you break the cycle.
As Herschel agreed, you break as many cycles as you can.
And that's the point. And like I made the metaphor
directly earlier, of I've been around the block once or
(02:02:56):
twice whipper snapper. You can't fool me with that anymore.
But do you continue to fool yourself? Like I said,
this stuff is very important, not frivolous whatsoever. And so
if we're not talking about it and we're not thinking
about it, what are we really doing? And so he
asked him one more time, I'll rewind it just a
little bit here he says, Okay, including your head are
(02:03:18):
the conflict systems.
Speaker 4 (02:03:20):
Click systems, and your life comes.
Speaker 7 (02:03:22):
From where Yeah, you are.
Speaker 1 (02:03:26):
The ultimate energy, that's the life of the universe. And
then you say, well, somebody has to generate that. Why
do you have to say that? Why can't it be impersonal?
That would be Bruckman, that would be the transcendent mystery
that you can also personify.
Speaker 3 (02:03:44):
Uh huh, you hear what he's saying. Why does it
have to be personal like that? We're talking about the
cosmos now, we're talking about directed transpermia, we're talking about Cuthulhu,
We're talking about the greater mysteries of all the things.
But if we can't encapsulate that into the human space
(02:04:06):
and recognize there are things above our pay grade to
even begin to understand, though we try where are we
and what comes next? You guys have thoughts on this?
Love to hear At seven O two nine seven and
one zero three seven. We got about ten twelve minutes
left if anybody wants to jump in here, anything on that, James.
We'm going to move on to the follow your bliss
(02:04:27):
part of this because, like I've always said, the encapsulation. Sorry,
I'm not going to talk. I'll start after you've got
anything dead.
Speaker 2 (02:04:37):
Just I love that last part there because to me,
it feels like the energy aspect of it being throughout
the universe and everywhere and everything. I totally I feel that.
And this is just this next part is just my
own feelings and things I do believe, And I do
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feel like there are other consciousness out there that are
not the same as us and are not always physical.
But I also don't think of them as being there
being one that is in charge of everything, or even
(02:05:19):
one that is in charge of all good and one
that is in charge of all bad. And this is
just my thinking, but I have noticed, just because of
all the experiences and everything and things I've read, there
do seem to be, at least for a lot of
people out there, other beings and yet we are all
still in this universe. So it's really to me. It
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makes me think of this idea of there being many
but also just one, and where do we separate those
two or can we? Or are they are they both
at the same time? That's my questions to basically his response.
Speaker 3 (02:05:55):
There, Yeah, yeah, in a lot of ways. To take that,
I see a chef pee, give me just one second
hand play just a little bit from the follow of
your bliss, because this is the most import important part
of this, as I was saying there, is that when
I try and encapsulate the idea of the hero's journey
into my own space, into my own personality, into my
own mind, the question becomes how and what does this
(02:06:19):
look like? And how can we personify this not just
individually but as a society, as a group, as just
a group here and again, of course, mister Campbell, doctor
Campbell has has an answer check this out.
Speaker 1 (02:06:35):
I came to this idea of bliss because in Sanskrit
it's just a great spiritual language of the world, and
they know.
Speaker 4 (02:06:44):
All about it, and I have known about it for
a long time.
Speaker 1 (02:06:48):
That transcendent is transcendent. But there are three terms that
bring you to the brink. You might say, the jumping
off place to the ocean, and the three terms I
ch ananda and stop. The word stop means being, she
means full consciousness, and ananda means rapture.
Speaker 3 (02:07:13):
Being full consciousness, rapture. Just to just to break that down.
Speaker 1 (02:07:23):
So I thought, I don't know whether my consciousness is
full consciousness. I don't know whether my being is proper
being or not. But I do know where my rapture is.
So let me hang on a rapture and that will
bring me both being and full consciousness.
Speaker 12 (02:07:40):
And it works.
Speaker 4 (02:07:41):
What was your rapture? One started with.
Speaker 1 (02:07:44):
Indians and then it went on and into more and
more mythological matters and the realm of the arts, music
and h And.
Speaker 4 (02:07:54):
When I met Jean, then the dance came in and
this is uh, this is it. To stay with that.
Speaker 8 (02:08:02):
And one doesn't have to be a poet to do this,
Rpenters do it.
Speaker 1 (02:08:07):
A poet is nobody one who's made a profession and
a lifestyle of being in touch with God.
Speaker 3 (02:08:15):
Okay, I'll kill it there and shout out THEO the
official poet of troubled minds. Yeah, so back to follow
your blistening a secondary but you see what he's saying, right,
like he recognized it and you know it too. It's
like the conspiracy theory mind is like you've seen the
trope that the meme where it's like, you know, me
during history class, you're asleep, you know, you're not even
(02:08:36):
listening me, sort of searching history on your own. You're like,
you know, the always sunny and Philadelphia, making the connections
on the board and all the things. Right, So suddenly
like it doesn't necessarily mean history is uninteresting to you.
The way it was taught to you is uninteresting because
of course, don't forget that all the all of our
education is is baked in narratives, and some of it
(02:08:59):
should be. We shouldn't forget things like World War Two,
we shouldn't forget these things. However, there's some narratives that
are cooked into those those those education cycles that are
modern propaganda. And so that's why in large part we
(02:09:19):
tune out not everybody, but there's a you know, like
there's a there's a good way to teach history, and
there's a crappy way to teach history. We've all seen it.
If I actually did a history class. Would you guys
be interested?
Speaker 11 (02:09:34):
Right?
Speaker 3 (02:09:34):
Because I because I go through some old books and
be like, here's some really interesting things about it, and then,
you know, then kind of fill out the context a
little bit, and then we talk about it about really
wild stuff, because there's a ton of wild stuff in history,
some things that light your mind on fire. But then
there's also the propaganda cycles. Anyway, I digress seven or
(02:09:55):
two ninety seven one zero three seven. Click the discord
link at Troubledminds dot org. Let's go to uh, Pete,
Pete and Georgia. What's the brother you're in trouble minds?
How are you tonight? Thanks for staying up lay with us,
Go right ahead. Test test one two? I do not
hear you? Are you there?
Speaker 4 (02:10:16):
Nothing?
Speaker 3 (02:10:16):
Nothing?
Speaker 1 (02:10:17):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (02:10:17):
If you didn't, yeah, mute on mute. If you didn't
update discord, that may be it. If you want to
do a quick update and come back, that may fix it.
It's it's literally been the bugaboo of my life doing
this show forever, and they update nearly daily, so if
you haven't updated today, it's probably it. If you want
to update and come back, I'll hold the space for you.
And yep, there you go. We'll talk to Pete in
(02:10:38):
a second. But yeah, I mean, like I said, I'm
not a history teacher. I'm a history buff, but I
think there are interesting ways to do these things that
will sort of light the fire in the minds of
people were trying to teach. I don't know, Like I said,
there's one I've said this before in the past. There's
a there's a math teacher that changed my life. Not
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just math, but I thought I was a math dummy
because I had a punitive math teacher. She was a
think of the worst worst word you can say about
an individual, she was one of those, and she would
try and embarrass me in front of everybody because she
knew I didn't get it. However, however, there's some larger
(02:11:20):
aspect to that that. I was saved a little later
by a teacher named mister Hunter and geometry that showed
me there's a better way to do this and a
better way to teach, and also a better way to learn.
And then I restored my faith in myself as a
young person. Back to those hero journey aspects. I hanged
tied Apok and we're going to go to Apak in
(02:11:40):
a second. Here we got to Chef Pete, who's probably
disupdated discord. What's up, Chef Pete, you're on trouble wines?
Speaker 2 (02:11:47):
How are you?
Speaker 12 (02:11:47):
Sir?
Speaker 3 (02:11:47):
The right edd?
Speaker 7 (02:11:48):
It's better line and clear.
Speaker 3 (02:11:50):
What's up?
Speaker 12 (02:11:51):
Man?
Speaker 3 (02:11:51):
Thanks for staying go ahead?
Speaker 14 (02:11:53):
Yeah, of course, Hi everyone, good evening, Glad to be here.
I have an interesting that was that was an interesting
uh tidbit from from mister Campbell.
Speaker 15 (02:12:09):
Here's my thing and I actually want to go back
to the last video that you showed about the gods
of good evil in between?
Speaker 7 (02:12:22):
Where are we all?
Speaker 16 (02:12:26):
And this is what I really think?
Speaker 4 (02:12:29):
What is it really?
Speaker 16 (02:12:32):
I don't know any gods are really controlling any of us.
I think that we have to control ourselves a little
bit more.
Speaker 14 (02:12:41):
Of course, something is up above us is controlling the
whole narrative. However, we can nudget this way, nudget that
way and kind of coexist a little bit better than
what we're doing right now. And the hero's journey what
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what is our ultimate plan? I don't know that any
of us will ever get there. It's ever evolving.
Speaker 16 (02:13:15):
I thought I was going to be one thing, that
I was going to be a musician.
Speaker 4 (02:13:19):
Now Mi chef, you know.
Speaker 16 (02:13:23):
It's ultimately it's how can you contribute to the world
that we're in.
Speaker 14 (02:13:30):
And I think that if we all work on ourselves,
and if we all work on towards being better to
each other, I think that we're going to be okay.
Speaker 7 (02:13:40):
But we just got to do that.
Speaker 3 (02:13:43):
Yeah, sometimes we overcomplicate things, and about being nice to
each other is a certainly one of the best ways
forward we can choose as as part of all of
the options available. For sure, you're spot on.
Speaker 14 (02:13:56):
I mean, I know there's one region in the world
that's been more since the world's been there, and that's
never going to reach a resolvement, unfortunately because it's been
ingrained in them for generations and generations.
Speaker 16 (02:14:12):
But for the Western for our world, for our hemisphere, there's.
Speaker 4 (02:14:21):
No reason why we can't do that.
Speaker 14 (02:14:25):
And I just think that, you know, with all of
the technology and all the things that are advancing so quickly,
we all need to come together and figure out a
way to put some things aside and maybe make some
Each government makes a faction that doesn't really answer to
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their larger governments and really focuses on the science of
things and focuses on humankind.
Speaker 16 (02:14:57):
I think that that would be a big step in
the right direction.
Speaker 3 (02:15:01):
Exactly right, exactly right. But again, these these cycles that
we didn't create, that are controlling us at all every turn,
these are the things we need to reject entirely. Again,
sort of binary propositions where there's no third answer, there's
no fourth answer, there's no fourth way. Shout out our
friend on an exerpt the fourth way he was on
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the show here. But I mean that's the point. So
recognize when we're being had and if there's only this
or that, trust me or being had in a world
of infinite possibilities, it's either this or that. Stop it, guys,
stop it. And look, we will gladly fight over these things.
We will gladly dare I suggest kill over these things
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as has been done recently and also throughout history. It's horrific.
Speaker 7 (02:15:51):
Yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 14 (02:15:53):
I mean, there's this and that, and then there's an
us together as a world being, and I think that
we as a world have to focus more on that
as opposed to this, and that we have to focus
on that third option of how can we sustain ourselves ultimately.
Speaker 3 (02:16:16):
Which is a fantastic question and for us to keep
on top of mind as the as the world turns,
as they say, I think that's incredibly important and very poignant.
What else you got. Thanks for a standup late, Thanks
for calling.
Speaker 14 (02:16:30):
Yeah, no, I mean that's really all I had. I
just wanted to call in because I thought that that
last piece really got to me. And you know, the
hero's journey, who is the hero?
Speaker 8 (02:16:45):
We all are.
Speaker 16 (02:16:47):
In our own specific way.
Speaker 14 (02:16:49):
And you know what, if you want to be the
president of the United States and you become a baker, well,
you know what, you're providing bread to.
Speaker 7 (02:16:58):
Whoever may need it.
Speaker 14 (02:16:59):
If you become an accountant, then you're providing needs to
some other people. So no matter what you do, if
you're you know, whatever you may do, you're providing a
service to somebody who needs you. So don't ever think
that whatever you're doing is not good enough, because somebody
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relies on that. And maybe it's not what your view.
Speaker 4 (02:17:28):
Of what your destiny should be.
Speaker 14 (02:17:31):
But at the end of the day, you're making the
world a better place. And you just got to be positive,
be positive and love each other and help each other, and.
Speaker 16 (02:17:42):
We'll get along just fine.
Speaker 3 (02:17:44):
Hey man, brother, And we're proving we can do it
here again. We got religious types, we've got non religious types,
We've got esoterics, we got futurists. So many people in
one space able to come together and agree and disagree
and still press forward with love and peace and understanding.
That's what it's all about. And what you're describing there,
by the way, is the invisible process, is what I've
always called it. Shout out Joe and Florida. People pass away.
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There are people that process that transaction here on earth.
Joe's a funeral director. Shout out to night stalker, staying
up late overnight stock in the grocery stores as you're describing.
As you very well know, a chef wakes up very
early to make sure all the stuff is cooked and
prepped and all this stuff. You're up at four in
the morning, as you said, to do all the work
that needs to be done for breakfast or whatever. These
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are the types of sacrifices that happen on a daily
basis in society as part of the invisible process that
we all take for granted. And you, my friend, are
certainly a part of that. Our truck drivers Shout out
everybody out there doing the work that never gets any credit,
deserves more credit. Than they get. And that's my thought
on that.
Speaker 16 (02:18:48):
Yeah, bick up to the people in the medical field.
Speaker 7 (02:18:50):
They're up twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 14 (02:18:53):
You know, maybe it's not your ideal potential or your
ideal hero quest.
Speaker 16 (02:19:03):
But you know what to somebody you are and that's
what matters.
Speaker 3 (02:19:07):
Amen, absolutely well said. Thanks for staying up late with us,
Thanks for calling. Always a pleasure, brother, Have a great nights.
Thank you, Chef Pete. On the discord, join the discord.
If you have not come meet these amazing people. They're
active on the discord and clearly calling in and just
talking about wild ideas by dark of night. And again
recognize that some of the most sublime ideas come from
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some of the most innocuous spaces, meaning the invisible process.
We're all part of it, and we all there, I suggest,
don't get the credit we deserve. Seven O two nine
seven one zero three seven. Click the discord link of
Troubleminds dot org. Go to apoc somewhere in the Midwest. Hello,
(02:19:52):
good evening.
Speaker 2 (02:19:53):
How are you can you hear me?
Speaker 4 (02:19:54):
Oh?
Speaker 17 (02:19:54):
Shoot, I wasn't muted that you might have heard other
things like my dogs?
Speaker 3 (02:19:58):
No, oh, I thought that was.
Speaker 17 (02:20:01):
I did do, actually, but mine were That's fine.
Speaker 3 (02:20:05):
It was only once and it was very quiet. You're good.
Welcome to the joint of that head.
Speaker 17 (02:20:11):
Okay, So the question of I grew up in a
religious science church. I don't know if you're familiar with that,
but Ernest Holmes was a philosopher basically, and so this
guy that you're talking about is somewhat similar in how
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he's communicating, I think as Ernest Holmes was. But I
sort of grew up with the idea of an impersonal
process of nature, you know, and I don't know about
the devil and the angel on the shoulders. Didn't grow
up with that, but.
Speaker 7 (02:20:54):
But i've been.
Speaker 17 (02:20:56):
This is something that's kind of been on my mind lately,
is that, you know, there's a lot going on in
the world that I have absolutely nothing to do with.
I don't know about, and there are so many levels,
I'm sure, and layers of existence and what happens, you know,
(02:21:17):
other than my little part of it that I don't understand.
But philosophically, what it feels like is that people put
this idea of decision making, of judgment, of either locking
(02:21:49):
in or I don't know the way thing the way
people do things in attempting to put control on the
things around them. I suppose I'm trying to figure out
how to say this, but in nature as God quote
(02:22:10):
unquote un quoting, you know, the silent quote marks.
Speaker 3 (02:22:14):
And like a small G God, right, small G, No.
Speaker 2 (02:22:21):
Just big G.
Speaker 17 (02:22:22):
But but whatever you want to call it, you know,
whatever you think that is big G would be the
internal workings of everything that exists in and out of
everything else. So no matter whether you're in one dimension
or multiple dimensions, you're going to have a large existence
of something right that that is all of those things.
(02:22:47):
So it's like all of those things are working within
a thing. Maybe I don't even know this, but this
is what it seems like. You know, if God exists,
then God is all things. And if God is all things,
then the foundation for the systems that work in nature
(02:23:09):
is cyclical, evolutionary and designed to evolve. Right, Because if
God is everything and everything that exists is God or
within God, then what we have is something that works
in a way that's designed to support the growth or
(02:23:33):
evolution of God itself in a way. And that's my take.
That might not be everybody else's take. Somebody else's take
might be, well, God is just there to experience God,
or we're just here to experience what we're doing. And
if we're part of God, okay great. And if God
exists or doesn't exist, okay great. But I'm in the
big picture, My big picture of this stuff, you know,
(02:24:00):
nature would be God. And so if things are happening
in a natural way, and I have two takes on this,
and let's say we on one side are attempting to
control part of it, and in doing so, we're taking
(02:24:24):
the reins on part of God's job. I guess on
part of and I'm in quotes the whole time I'm
doing this. Then we're attempting to take the reins of
something that we know the surface. And this comes from
what he was saying in the talk the surface stuff.
(02:24:49):
It's like, if we can see something, maybe it is
possible to see everything of that one thing. But I
think how we make decisions as human beings is that
we have sort of this subset, this microcosm of information
(02:25:10):
that we get from our experiences and the people we meet, etc.
And we're doing this thing too, and I don't even know,
you know, what we're doing when we exchange having a
conversation whatever. Everybody's got their own reason, I'm sure for
(02:25:34):
saying and doing what they say. But we take only
the microcosm, the points that we can see, and we
take action or make assessments or judgments or whatever based
on that. And if it were a natural process or
a God supported process, or a core God process, if
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it were that part what is it microcosm macrocosm that
I was stating, then wouldn't.
Speaker 12 (02:26:07):
It be.
Speaker 17 (02:26:09):
That if someone were taking that action on as a godhead,
so to speak, then would they not be able to
completely access everything that that human being is and not
only that every person that human being has touched. Not
only that, but every experience that person has affected. Not
(02:26:33):
only that, but how in the future and the past
that's going to work and has worked. Blah blah blah,
because that would be the essence of God, which would
be everything right and nothing, because there wouldn't be a
place or a thing that God would or would not be.
So if I think sometimes what I'm looking at are
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the systems as human beings that we've created, like the
educational system, like the whatever, the things that are supposed
to support the masses or support the large groups or
whatever of people, and we're we're looking and even the
smaller experiences and exchanges of people. Of course, but I
(02:27:19):
think because the Godhead support system isn't clearly defined, you know,
then are we Are we not attempting to move via
instinct and move via God's self and embody that like.
Speaker 12 (02:27:43):
Knowing that.
Speaker 17 (02:27:46):
That everything is as it should be in one respect
or another, or are we going to attempt to control
the stuff which in a way controlling our stuff, right,
you know, being our stuff is you know that allows
(02:28:10):
for us to live in a linear fashion and make
sense of things. Right, But if we're attempting to could
control other person's.
Speaker 3 (02:28:18):
Stuff, which becomes the thing that becomes the actual thing.
Let me go back to what you said before I
forget it. So something stuck in my brain when you
said this, So why do we talk to each other?
And why we get different things out of it and
all the rest of it? And back to storytelling and
back to myth. Right, So, even if our lived experience
can't encapsulate ways for us to see the world in
(02:28:41):
a different way, we can say Star Wars and Luke Skywalker,
you see, like I've never been to alder On and
learn the ways of the force. However, when I say
these things, you understand them, and everybody that's kind of
seen any part of Star Wars understands them, and so
that becomes really that again back to what Brian Johnson
said that storytelling is the most advanced technology for exactly
(02:29:03):
that reason. So we don't necessarily have to have a
lived experience. It could be based on our lived experience,
but also the storytelling aspect of it, the metaphor, the
parables and all the things that come with it allow
us to communicate more effectively without necessarily having done it,
but also having experienced a part of it in a
you know, in our granular method of life that resonates
(02:29:25):
with it, you see. So it's like it's a way
of communication is all is all it really becomes. And
I just want to say that because you made that
little thing there and then turned the corner three different
times and went left and write it up to I
just wanted to make sure I got that in because
it was very important in my mind. I had to
get it out. But yeah, what else you got?
Speaker 4 (02:29:41):
Go ahead?
Speaker 17 (02:29:43):
Okay, I don't even know what I said to inspire
what you just said, but I mean what you said
was great, So yeah, I think you know, that's part
of the microcosm, right, the metaphor, the the you know,
having a shared base knowledge base. We have shared knowledge
(02:30:04):
bases that help us communicate and enrich our lives in
so many ways, in multiple layers, I'm sure. But what
I guess I'm saying is the confusion. I'm not even
gonna say that because I don't know that to be true,
but the shifting of the idea of the actual Godhead
(02:30:29):
to the microcosm of that shared experience. I think some
people have the experience of thinking or knowing or thinking
or knowing that, and I say knowing because for them
it might.
Speaker 12 (02:30:50):
Be true.
Speaker 17 (02:30:50):
I'm not trying to judge things here, but it's again,
it's all metaphor in a way, right, because we can't
have the actual experience as we're extracting things from our
past and pulling things from the philosophical future of our ideas, right,
So we're when we're communicating right now, that's what we're doing.
We're taking those multitudes of things from who we are
(02:31:15):
and what we've experienced to present them now in the
space of shared communication.
Speaker 3 (02:31:23):
So that's beats Dog again. Huh, that's beats Dog again.
Speaker 17 (02:31:28):
Yeah, it's mine the call. But you know, I think
some in some ways, if we're creating a system, we're
creating a godhead. You know, if we're creating an idea
that's for the masses or for groups of people, are
creating a godhead in sort of a blanket or a cover,
(02:31:52):
or an idea or a philosophy that's attempting.
Speaker 16 (02:31:57):
To cover all the bases.
Speaker 17 (02:32:00):
When when you but when you look at most of
the systems, most of them are flawed and in some
way or another, and certainly do not create a full Okay,
and here's where we get to the idea of personal.
Speaker 3 (02:32:17):
They don't create a full cycle intentionally.
Speaker 17 (02:32:21):
Well, it's also impersonal, But I think the Godhead would
not be impersonal. We say that the Godhead would be impersonal,
we say that that the working of God would be impersonal.
But I'm saying, if you get more defined with it,
if you become fractalized in the microcosm, I think that
(02:32:42):
it would be incredibly personal because you're because in order
for things to work in the microcosm, there has to
be that microcosmic intelligence, that intelligence of all that that
being or that sell or that whatever actually is in
(02:33:03):
order to create the best, the best in order to
create the most effective or the most uh prolific outcome
for growth in one way or another or whatever however
(02:33:23):
that needs to happen. But again, this is of course
coming from the things that are strong inside my mind
about what I what I think or feel is important
and so I'm not sure anyone else would even share
these thoughts, but I think that it's interesting to do.
Speaker 3 (02:33:51):
Sorry, you're good, You're good, or good fire stuff just
before before we move on in before you go, hiker
over there, says I. I love hearing a box calls again,
so welcome back. Definitely glad to have you back. Give
her a follow, and Iiger linked it over on rubble
apocalypsetow dot WordPress dot com. Hey, pop are the best.
(02:34:12):
I appreciate the goal, ask you anything.
Speaker 17 (02:34:13):
I have a writing if you want to hear it.
Weirdly enough, I actually wrote this right before uh I
started listening to the show, about an hour and a
half before.
Speaker 4 (02:34:31):
I think, so.
Speaker 17 (02:34:34):
I'm going to be all scattered and I probably won't
read it well because I have not actually read anything
for a long time. But This is the first time
that I have read and actually liked what I wrote.
What I wrote is the first time that I have
written and actually liked what I have written in a
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very long time.
Speaker 3 (02:34:58):
Since we're ready, we're ready for it, then we will
like it too, I'm sure.
Speaker 17 (02:35:03):
Clearing the mind space a conglomeration of uninvented, unnamed skyscreek,
sky streaks and machines that, from seed to sky complete
conclude a project of sensory things, blobs and patterns, blue, pink, orange.
(02:35:24):
All of this here to inspire, exists to be threads
of things we can pick up with thumb and forefinger,
as webs from some giant, sprightly spider wines, as webs
rigged from standing poles of trees, cut and lunged into
(02:35:45):
the ground, more delicately placed to seem invasive, as connection
becomes seemingly more complete, seemingly yet itself always distant, as
a standing stone, as orange and pink clouds connect with
neon painted mortar and brick chili chili's dipped in black,
(02:36:15):
evermore present, ever more obvious, with background sky fading darkening
with dips and chips, and the pronounced road should be
hovercraft machines pouring air onto ports onto ports, stones, the
(02:36:35):
sound from weight and physics from man and nature nature
stepping back as I follow her there maybe to hold
hands with both.
Speaker 3 (02:36:49):
God, damn. Yeah, thank you for sharing. I like that.
I'm pretty sure everybody else like that. And keep writing
and keep dreaming and keep thinking. Uh you got you
got a hell of a mind on you. By the way,
also over on Rumble, shout out to uh poff, says
a Apoc is awesome. She has good calls on old episodes,
so welcome back. I'm glad to have you back. Thanks
(02:37:11):
for thanks for considering the ideas, Thanks for being cool
and chill, Thanks for sharing the art you're creating, and
we look forward to more.
Speaker 8 (02:37:21):
Appreciate it and.
Speaker 17 (02:37:22):
We'll call when I can. I'm still doing you know,
weird stuff, so I'll be random as are.
Speaker 3 (02:37:30):
We are looking forward to it. Always a pleasure, have
a great night. I appreciate the ca Thank you. Dot
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and all the rest and all the rest. James, hang tight.
I'm gonna play the rest of this because we're almost
at the end of this hidden dimension bit of no no,
(02:38:13):
the follow your bliss and then you get the final word.
This is thank you to heypok for the call there.
And we're gonna go late because we started late so
right so we're kind of in that pocket right now
where the show would normally be ending, so we're gonna
go a little bit late. So thanks for staying up
late with us. And this is again Joseph Campbell from
the and again give them, give them all the love
the Joseph Campbell Foundation, please follow them in all the places.
(02:38:36):
I just subscribe to their channel as well. You should
and just go listen to what this man says and
like I said, think about it in fractals, think about
it in things that make sense to you, because that's
all we've got, right until we grow and we grow,
and we grow and we grow together, and then suddenly
it doesn't have to be so personal infractal. It could
be societal.
Speaker 1 (02:38:57):
Back to Joseph Campbell, people have to be concerned with
other things that they get themselves involved in, economic and
other activities.
Speaker 4 (02:39:10):
You're drafted in the war that isn't the one you're
interested in, And how to hold this umbilical, you might.
Speaker 1 (02:39:21):
Say, under those circumstances, that's the technique. Each one has
to work out for himselves somehow. But most people living
in that realm of what might be called the occasional concerns,
they all have the capacity that's waiting to be awakened
to move to this or the place.
Speaker 12 (02:39:41):
I know it.
Speaker 4 (02:39:41):
I've seen it happen in students.
Speaker 1 (02:39:46):
Wonderful way of teaching we had at Sara Lawrence, where.
Speaker 4 (02:39:49):
I taught for thirty eight years.
Speaker 1 (02:39:52):
I'd have an individual conference with every one of my
students at least once a fortnight for half an hour
or so. Now you're talking on about the things that
students ought to be reading, and suddenly you hit on
something that the student really responds to. You can see
the eyes open, the perplexion changes, life, possibility has opened there,
(02:40:14):
and all you can say to yourself is, I hope
this child hangs onto that. You know, they may or
may not, but when they do, they've found life right
there in the room with you.
Speaker 6 (02:40:26):
How would you advise somebody to tap that spring of
eternal life, that joy?
Speaker 4 (02:40:32):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:40:32):
Well, we're having experiences all the time which may, on
occasion render some sense of this, a little intuition of
where your joy is, Rabbit. No one can tell you
what it's going to be. I mean, you've got to
learn to recognize your own depths.
Speaker 6 (02:40:49):
Do you ever have this sense when you're following your
bliss as I have at moments of being helped by
hidden hands?
Speaker 3 (02:40:58):
Just a real quick shout out, nightstalker. So this is
a synchronicity aspect of it. And he directly asked the question,
do you think that there is something out there guiding
you to that bliss, to that space, to the thing
that you know you are here for. It interests you,
it calls you. Check the answer this is wild and
(02:41:18):
then we'll wrap this down after this, it's just just
about the end.
Speaker 4 (02:41:22):
All the time. It's miraculous.
Speaker 1 (02:41:25):
I even have a superstition that has grown on me
as the result of invisible hands coming all the time,
namely that if you do follow your bliss, you put
yourself on a kind of track that has been there
all the while waiting for you. And the life that
you ought to be living is the one you're living somehow,
(02:41:46):
And when you can see it, you begin to deal
with people who are in the field of your bliss
and they open doors to you. I say, follow your
bliss and don't be afraid, and doors will open where
you didn't know they were going to be.
Speaker 6 (02:42:01):
Do you ever have sympathy for the man who has
no invisible means of support.
Speaker 4 (02:42:07):
There no invisible means.
Speaker 1 (02:42:09):
Yes, he's the one that evokes compassion, you know, the
poor chap And to see him stumbling around when the
water water life is right there's really evokes once.
Speaker 4 (02:42:23):
Pity right there right there? Do you believe there?
Speaker 8 (02:42:27):
Yes, the water is of eternal life right there where
wherever you are.
Speaker 1 (02:42:33):
If you're following your bliss, I mean you're you're having
that joy, that that refreshment, that life all the time.
Speaker 3 (02:42:42):
That's the great Joseph Campbell rest in peace. And I
think he figured out. He figured out a lot, and
so it's up to us. And the reason I'm talking
about it tonight, and the reason I wanted to talk
about those things. I meticulously went through and clipped out
all the audio from that, and I wasn't able to
do it. So we just did it old school star
and just played the YouTube. It worked out well enough.
But you get what he's saying. He's recognizing the patterns
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within us and the patterns without us, and where do
we fit in those spaces and what they mean to
us in the most primal sense. That's what this is
all about. James, Thanks for being patient, my man. What
else you got on anything anybody else said, or if
you got any other ideas or something you want to share,
welcome back to the thing and all yours for a
(02:43:26):
final word.
Speaker 2 (02:43:28):
Sounds to me a lot like that call and that
bliss maybe the same thing. We just don't know it
at first, until we hear that call or I feel
that call, and until we're able to answer answer it somehow.
(02:43:50):
It's just what came to mind. I don't know if
that's accurate or that, but that's the way it seems.
I feel like it seems accurate, at least in my case.
And again, I don't like to talk about me. That's
the funny thing.
Speaker 4 (02:44:02):
In a way.
Speaker 2 (02:44:03):
Anyone that knows me is aware of that. But some
things they just do resonate. And that's one of them.
Speaker 3 (02:44:12):
Yeah, Chase it follow it, whatever that is, whatever that is,
and there is, you know, synchronistically as he asked the question, right,
there seems to be a reason for that, for these things,
for these whatever mysteries you're drawn to or not. Let's
say you're not drawn to mysteries at all, you're drawn
to the mysteries of science. Impressing that forward. Remember those
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two things don't have to exist in different spaces. The
mysteries of science undiscovered is the same as the mysteries
we're talking about on troubled minds. So what's all about?
That's literally what it's all about. Yeah, anything else, James,
I'm going to play the outro music and roll this
or if you got anything else, not to cut you short.
(02:44:52):
I want to make sure you had something you wanted
to add if we had time. We have time.
Speaker 2 (02:44:57):
Well, yeah, I just I do think learning and and
sort of forgiving ourselves or at least understanding why we
did things. I think is important. So I mentioned way
earlier that I have I had this. I've had things
I've done here and there that I regretted. And one
(02:45:18):
of those things is at one point I had a
friend from school who was also legally blind, but he
also had some learning and other other factors other things.
He basically he just he was not able to get
(02:45:38):
a job. He was basically permanently disabled, I would say, mentally.
And I'm trying to think of like the easiest, the
nicest way to say this, because I don't mean this
anya anyway as a put down, but I just over time,
whenever we talk, nothing was ever changing with him, and
(02:45:59):
I was just I felt so bad. And at one
point I ended up getting changing phone numbers, and I
forgot at the time to get his number off of
my old device and put on my new device, and
I just did not try to get to that number
again and never talked to them again. And I don't
(02:46:23):
know where the number is. That This was a good
twenty years ago now, almost maybe moore around there, and
so I was fairly young still at the time compared
to where I am now and so years later, every
so often not so much now. I wonder if that's
because I've kind of just realized, well, I don't want
(02:46:46):
to make the mistake again. I've had dreams of being
in his house, but everything is always dark, there's no
lights on, and I feel like there's presence, a presence
or presence is in there. But I never come across anyone,
but I'm always afraid that I'm going to. And I
(02:47:08):
know it's a dream. I'm not calling this paranormal in
any way, but also because of just my mind the
way it works, it felt pretty vivid still, and so
I had I've had this dream of variations of it
a few times over the years, and I figured out why.
And yeah, so now I just do my best never
(02:47:30):
to do that again. And I've learned from that.
Speaker 4 (02:47:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:47:34):
So some of the things we do when we're young
flippantly or yeah, and not the best. And there's there's
people that do rely on us. Take it seriously because
those people out there definitely need us. I would suggest
James again, just kind of a random shot in the dark,
see if you can find him again. Maybe there's a
maybe there is a way, you know, like phone books
(02:47:54):
and stuff like that exists, you know, like so I
mean in twenty twenty five, you know, did he use
Facebook or maybe not or I don't know, like just
saying like there's there may be some ways. Maybe maybe
you can rekindle old old things and sort of heal
old wounds and catch up on old times. But yeah,
thank you for sharing that. That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:48:14):
Well, I think if again, if I can help anyone
by sharing anything, then that's that's why I want to
do it. And I was there's one other real quick thing.
I was thinking about how it's amazing sometimes it's amazing
how people hear about some stories and never hear about
other stories of mythology or modern fiction. I was thinking,
(02:48:38):
you know, it's a that's a good thing. If we
all knew all the stories, then there be no need
or no interest to tell any of them again, because
we would all know them all. And I wonder if
that's part of why we only have so much room
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in our minds our brains for things at times. If
there's some those are some of those in miserable hands
that who knows who are what they are, but they
help help us find the ones that we need over time.
Speaker 3 (02:49:19):
Well said, Well said, you were the best. Thanks again
for sitting. Then all of you, thanks for bearing with
me as I go through my It's a hiatus, it's
not a dark Knight of the soul or anything. I'm
working on some other things. I'm learning about vibe coding
and you know, creating some projects and all the rest,
so which do fit into the show. As you saw
some of the news stuff we've been doing. So the
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the news. Thank you for listening to the Trouble Minds
Radio Network. Let's check the news right. Ah, but there's
more projects coming, some related, someone related, just a hey. Look,
basically this follow James Salcedo Paranormal dot com s A
L S I d O space Paranormal or not space
(02:50:02):
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follow James. He's got a link tree. Go buy his books,
Go listen to his podcast, Go join the discord, go
hang out, go go spread the word on all the
things that are happening with James and with this community,
because that's what the that's what this is about. Like
I said, this is a human space. We use technology
(02:50:23):
to create a larger human space. You get it. It's
very simple, but sometimes right like we you know, you
you tap dance on a nerve or whatever and talk
about the Christ consciousness instead of Jesus or whatever, and
some people are like yeah, cool, and somebody are like no,
hell no, find whatever or recognize. We don't tell you
(02:50:43):
who to vote for it. Recognize. We don't chase down
the narratives they want us to talk about and they
want us to think about. Recognize if there's an A
and a B, we are not even close to CDEFG.
We are like way down the alphabet considering these ideas
that they want us to forget. Go check out the
(02:51:06):
Joseph Campbell Foundation. Again, links will be in the description.
Check it out, Go follow their YouTube channel at the
very least soup. It's free, completely free. It's just like
it sounds, Joseph Campbell Foundation. It's a Joseph Seph. Yeah.
I mean, like I said, this dude inspires the hell
out of me. So what's next? This is the question
I have in my mind. And we'll get back to
(02:51:26):
this at some point. Carl Young The archetypes of Carl
Young Joseph Campbell and the larger contextual hero's journey. What's
next in twenty twenty five? Who has the mind to
take the next step in the ever encroaching AI space
of robots and beyond?
Speaker 4 (02:51:49):
Is it us?
Speaker 3 (02:51:50):
I feel like it's use. But also I think when
you tempt destiny and suggests that you are part of it,
I think you're doing it wrong. As I said, Tree
decides those things.
Speaker 4 (02:52:01):
Not us.
Speaker 3 (02:52:02):
But also we know that history plays a dirty trick
by censoring fantastic ideas. Keep thinking, keep dreaming, keep recognizing
there are narratives out there that there outside the political space.
And that's it. That's that. It's as simple as that
shout out puff over there on a Rumble thank you
for they're kind of generous. Tip love from the Rumble crew,
(02:52:24):
love back. Oh, by the way, I do this once
in a while, I do like the devil signs like
on the on the show, right, And I want to
also clarify it's an ironic thing. It's if you ever
if you're gen Xit or do you ever watch Beavis
and butt Head, They used to do like the devil
thing and they go breaking the law, breaking the law.
It's it doesn't mean I'm Illuminati. All right, nobody's accused
(02:52:44):
me of this, but I know eventually somebody will. Okay,
so recognize there are ironic things that happen in the
world around us that absolutely mean nothing other than us
laughing at ourselves. Simple as that. As we finish, it
goes exactly like this. Be sure, be strong, be true.
Thank you for listening, from our trouble minds to yours.
(02:53:07):
Have a great night. We'll be back to full time
Thursday show. I'm gonna go. We'll take Tuesday off. Thursday,
we'll be there and then we'll get back to full
time because we're in it's Halloween season. Yeah, we got
we gotta talk spooky stuff. It's spooky season. We'll be
doing more of that. Have more James on and all
the rest of your calls as well. You're the best, James,
thanks for being here and all the rest of you
(02:53:27):
guys as well as James. Have a great night.