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Into the digital darkness. Welcome to even you, and welcome
to Troubled Minds Radio. I'm your host, Michael Strange. We're
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Digital Broadcasting and of course eighty eight point four FM Auckland,
New Zealand. Today, we're going to look at this a
little bit differently as we normally do. That's the entire
point of these conversations. No, it's not always about aliens. No,
it's not always about the things you would expect. But
we are in the middle of the spooky season, and
the whole point of that, for me, well, is multi faceted,
(03:04):
and I think we're seeing some data emerge that would
suggest that it's not just for me. I think there's
a as usual, the hyper what do I always call it,
the hyper acceleration of technology, and of course stories and
AI and all the things that are happening in the
let's say, human mind space are certainly coming together in
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this idea of spooky season. Or of course, right the
spirit Halloween stores roll out, people going to start start
buying the twelve foot tall animatronic skeletons from Home Depot, right,
and it actually dominates the searches like its spikes like
crazy in late September early October. For that actual big skeleton,
which I've seen several out there on the road. Is
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they're pretty terrifying and pretty awesome at the same time.
A matter of fact, my neighbor street over has one,
and it's a sight to behold those twelve foot tall
skeletons stand in somebody's yard. Right. Well, I ran across
this article that as part of this that made me
wonder about all of this, because I think there's something happening,
and I think there's a ce change in the way
we we actually perceive Halloween, and not just Halloween the
(04:09):
spooky season so in as it's known, all Hallows Eve,
all the different things we always talk about with this regard. However,
in twenty twenty five, there's a boom. It's it's almost
as if this the paranormal uh you know, kind of
got tamped down into the I don't know, into the
back pocket of society because it was just so uncouth, right,
(04:31):
so unsavory that nobody wanted to talk about it, because
you know, it's it's this so you know, eighteenth century Mike,
what are you talking about? However, if you look at
this article, now, this is a This will be linked
in the the description down below, and of course on
the podcast as well. But even though reported this, even
though dot com e E e ve e n d
O dot com and this was reported October first of
(04:52):
this year, just a few days ago, paranormal tourism a
booming industry in twenty twenty five. Right now, I was like, Okay,
that's interesting, because you would expect in a technological age,
as we're seeing the hyper acceleration of technology and the
AI space and all the things we're always talking about,
(05:12):
you would expect us to become less and less Actually,
dare I suggest superstitious, like you're more scientific minded? Right?
But of course we know the Troubled Minds Gang and
the people that have listened and contributed over the years.
Here is that it's not as simple as that. Sometimes
these ideas spiritualism, the paranormal, and science, they do converge
(05:35):
in pretty mysterious and wondrous ways sometimes, and that's where
the conversation really lies about what we don't know yet,
what we're expecting to find around the corner. But as
I was reading this, I was shocked to find out
check this out, Okay, read just a little bit from
this article. I'll link it in the chat in just
a second here, But in twenty twenty five, paranormal tourism
isn't just a niche interest. It's a booming industry with
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the market valuation around thirty two point seventy six billion
million dollars. That's billion with a B. I'm not going
to invoke the orange man and wave my arms around anyway,
Projected to reach thirty nine point seven seven billion by
twenty thirty two, fueled by a by a c agr
of two point eight percent. Now let's see. Okay, So
I'm gonna read just the top of this because this
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is highly fascinating. And so the question I'll start with
the question tonight as part of this discussion is why
do you think this is? Like I said, this is trying.
This has really been tamped down out of the lexicon
of conversation for pretty much ever. Right, you know, we
don't talk about ghosts and stuff, Mike, That's that's what
ten year olds do, all right. You know that's cool.
I mean I don't agree entirely, but you know, let's
(06:41):
let's you know, look at things a little differently and
be creative about it, and suddenly the possibilities present themselves
if you're open minded about it. But in this case,
the paranormal is surging, and like I said, in a
hyper let's say, scientific space, you would expect it to
kind of be declining right under normal circumstances. But I
(07:01):
think this is no longer normal circumstances. Back to this, so,
paranormal tourism is served from a fringe interest to a
substantial economic sector, drawing in travelers with its unique blend
of history, mystery, and thrill. Ah. The industry encompassing ghost tours,
haunted attractions, and paranormal investigations appeals to a broad audience
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seeking immersive and memorable experiences. This evolution is fueled by
a growing fascination with the supernatural and the innovative ways
destinations and businesses capitalize on haunted places and ghost stories.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
The paranormal tourism market is estimated again as I read
that part already reflecting a compound annual growth rate that's
CGR of two point eight percent. This growth is propelled
by several factors, including the increasing accessibility of haunted locations
through digital platforms and the rising interest and unique traveler experiences.
The industry's appeal lies in its ability to combine historical
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elements with the thrill of the unknown, attracting a diverse
range of visitors. Okay, and so back to the question,
back to the original question of this, why do you
think this is? This is counterintuitive to what you would
expect sort of in a vacuum thinking about this idea
without looking at the data, you'd be like, yeah, it's
probably you know, we're probably becoming less religious over time
(08:20):
like that. I'm sure the data tracks with that, but
I don't know. I wonder if there's a spike that
kind of kicking back in the other direction, not just
for let's say spirituality or even religious thought, but this
idea of paranormal itself and the tourism aspect of it.
And it really brings to mind a very poignant question
posed by James. Welcome James, how you doing? And welcome
(08:42):
to the joint. How you feeling tonight? Hope everything is okay.
I think I's knuck up on him. Are you there, James?
Speaker 7 (08:50):
About that? Yeah, I'm here.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Oh that's okay, I snuck up on you. Just want
to say hi. Before we took a break and I
was going to ask your question, how you doing Tonight's everything?
Speaker 7 (08:58):
Okay, Yeah, doing okay, And I'm really happy to be
here for this topic.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Okay, glad to have you. Okay, so you're up right
after the break. But this is this is a very
smart question posed by James, Like I kicked this idea
to him a few days ago and he's like, yeah,
I'm down, let's do this idea. But he asked this question, right,
like what is the difference between a haunted house, like
a true haunted house and like a commercial haunted house? Right?
And suddenly the lines are blurring. We're creating these novel
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experiences and suddenly we don't even know what's what anymore,
and that hyper reality of bouldery yard, like how the
hell do you say his name? I can never say
the guy's name, links will be in the description is
upon us. And suddenly the idea of a haunted house
and that novel scare is quite really nothing like it
used to be. And suddenly we're creating these you know,
(09:47):
plastic skeletons that sit in your front yard and whatnot. Anyway,
so the question is, why what the hell's going on
with this? And I don't know. I guess it's a
good time to be into the paranormal. So we're gonna
be right back with James. Of course, to James Salcido,
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Welcome back to Troubled Minds On Michael Strange. Let us continue,
shall we you? Okay, So now back to this paranormal tourism.
It's booming in twenty twenty five and expected to grow
compounded growth over the next several years. Why is that?
And why do these spirit Halloween stores open earlier and
(11:53):
earlier and earlier. We may as well just keep these
damn things open year round, right, So what's going on
with this? Anyway? The best way to do that is
to invoke an expert. Let's go to our dear friend James,
And of course, said the paranormal expert of Troubled minds.
Sorry about seeking up on you before the Breakdore. I
know you're expecting me to talk to you after, but
I wanted to cite your very smart question about this.
(12:14):
There's a lot of ways to take this. We'll get
back to the question or unless you want to take
it head on, but the difference between a commercial haunted
house and a real haunting and a haunted house itself
wild stuff and play here, let's start with your take.
Welcome to the thank thanks for being patient. Go right ahead, sir,
take it anyway, like, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (12:31):
No, I'm really happy with this topic because I've been
thinking about this for years now. I just never really
knew if I wanted to do a show about it
or if people would like a show about it. So
I'm glad. I'm glad that you kind of came across
that article on your own and then we started just
talking about it in a chat and yeah, and it's amazing.
(12:54):
You know, when I go online to do research for things,
for any kind of paranormal things and look up I
don't ever look up the term haunted house because there
are two kinds. There is the place that is said
to be to be active with the paranormal, and there
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is the place that is set up to scare people
that it looks like a house, and not even that's
not even completely the case anymore. There's ponted houses in
old buildings of all kinds. But and there's people that
want one and do not want the other either way.
And so this is not so much my prier at
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all a judgment. I just think it's fascinating how some
people want the to be scared and they don't really
care if it's not actually anything real in a sense.
But then there's others that are really curious about what
could be happening in these places where there are said
to be they are said to be haunted and all that. So, yeah,
(13:57):
a great topic and looking forward to this.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah, this is this. This is a great one. And
as usual like that, the trends sometimes reverse on themselves
and are kind of counterintuitive to what's actually happening. As
I've always been calling this, you know, we live in
the upside down. It's been a theme of this show
for literally as long as we've been doing it, kind
of pointing out so that some of the plot holes
in history and society and you know, in the data
(14:20):
we're given, we're supposed to believe, but then your intuition
kind of tells you differently. And here's a perfect example
of that. Like I said, you'd expect this to be
you know, more scientific and less spiritual, less you know,
into believing the paranormal in twenty twenty five, and yet
here we go it's booming and growing. And that's the
type of stuff that kind of makes you scratch your
chain and go, well why. And as you very smartly said,
(14:40):
there are different haunted houses, and I find myself doing
the same thing when I'm searching for shows and stuff.
You can't search on it house because it'll pop up,
you know, I don't know, some Scranton wherever, wherever the
hell that is, sorry if you're living in Scranton, but
it'll say, you know, Scranton opens a new haunted house
starting on the twelfth, and it will go through the
eighteenth and or whatever teenth of next month, whatever it
(15:01):
is I mean. And so you can't really do any
kind of you know, digging into you know, classical cases
of real hauntings, because you're just going to give you
this sort of the plastic skeleton effect. Once again, it's
pretty wild to consider. Do you have a take on
why this is why the actual paranormal tourism is booming
this year and expected to grow a compound over itself
over the next several years. What's your take on that?
Speaker 7 (15:24):
Well, I think over the last several years, the Internet,
funny enough, has helped people again world events in general.
I'm not going to go into which ones they are accident,
that's not the point. But there's been time over the
last several years here where people have had a lot
of time to look around online at things that interest them,
(15:47):
and I wonder if one of those things eventually becomes
I became the paranormal and even just thinking about places
to go to travel to to check out for the history,
because is a part of all this as well. There
are people that go to places just for the history
and they don't even know or or they they've heard,
(16:09):
but they want nothing to do with the paranormal. So
it's it's all it's about history, it's about the unknown,
but it's also about having an experience and or just
being frightened by something unexpected. And it's really I think
with the way that you can you can do searches
for places now around the world and look into specific
(16:33):
locations online before you go there in person. I wonder
if that's had an effect on that and made it
maybe easier to plan things and to find that when
places are open and when they're not, and just all
these details you can look into before you even go anywhere.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Now, Yeah, that's true too. Is that with the Internet,
you would expect us to be smarter, as I keep saying,
and for some reason it seems to be the opposite
in many cases for many people. I'm not going to
call anybody out, but this is the type of stuff
where you wonder, like some of the stuff you should
be able to find easily now, and you know, you
can get like an AI list of the top ten
haunted places in your area, right and be able to
(17:11):
kind of curate your own lists and do your own stuff,
and you know, and but but then once again we're
back to the original question here of you know hat
like real haunted versus you know, quote real haunted versus
the rest of this plastic skeleton type stuff. And so
I don't know, I think, as you said, there's like
that primordial terror within us that wants it, we need
it to kind of snap us out of reality, but
(17:32):
it's growing, and it's a I don't know, it's an
odd thing to consider that maybe one of our interests,
you know, clearly your interest, my interest is in these
fringe ideas, but also that it seems like the population
is kind of growing around or kind of growing into
that as well. With again all the scientific stuff that
kind of plays and you know, makes you squint and
(17:53):
wonder how much of this is really actually a real
thing now, anything on that, And I got to more
stuff to get you, of course.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
Well, and what cracks me up is is some places,
some haunted house attractions will intentionally go to places that
are said to be haunted and set up there, and
then people will have experiences with the paranormal while they're
in an attraction and only find out later, or the
(18:20):
staff will have experiences. But then on the flip side,
you'll have places that they they will set up in
some rare cases, they will set up basically fake paranormal
events or fake sounds or fake images in their buildings
that are said to be haunted to keep that going
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and to make money off of that. There's an example,
and I forget where it is, and it's not important
but just real quick on TV years ago on the
original original ghost Hunters TV series. Now, paranormal reality TV
is controlled by the networks, which means you're going to
have them, the networks, making the shows fake or exaggerate things.
(19:09):
But what is hilarious about that is the the team
on this TV show went to investigate this bar and
they were hearing sounds and they traced them to speakers
that were set up in the bar putting out strange noises.
So here you have this reality show that is a
(19:33):
reality show, and that means scripted them in a way
that means, you know, all the things that go with
reality shows. Investigating a place that it is said to
be haunted and then they find speakers And I just
now I think back on that and it cracks me
up because it's talking about hyperreality, talked about the real
and the unreal mixing together. That that just is amazing
(19:55):
to me that that that even happened.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah, and it's not the only time too, Like a
lot of those shows have been outed and caught literally
faking sort of paranormal instances and running out screaming on
something they staged. And I mean, like, fine, it is TV, right,
as usual. You know, take take all that stuff with
the grain of salt, and shame on you if you
believe everything you see on TV or the internet, right,
I keep saying this twenty twenty five for crying out loud.
(20:20):
So we should not. Of course, However, it draws in
the interest. And you know, the reason I think they're
one of that primordial reason back to our interest in
the paranormal is because many people have had an experience
in some way and it's not okay to talk about
it typically because people just think you're insane. And so
you know, when that type of conversation kind of sparks
(20:41):
in a normy space, you get people interested that might
you would never expect they'd be interested in these types
of things, but maybe they've seen something, maybe their mother
saw something, maybe their brothers saw something. Right, and that's
the type of stuff that everybody's kind of got a
story where they go, well, you know, I mean, I know,
I'm not supposed to believe in it stuff, but let
me tell you what happened, Mike, you know, and this
(21:02):
is this is where we're at. And so it is
probably one of the most suppressed things ever because it's
it's something we all experience at least partially or have
hurt a second hand account. But then also we're not
allowed to talk about it for fear of ridicule. So
it's in this bizarre space where you know, it's like
a powder keg waiting to happen of ideas and experiences
(21:24):
and dialogue and conversation and all the things, but we're
not supposed to talk about it. And so I think eventually,
you know that that kind of comes apart at the
seams and you get shows like we do, you get
conversations like we have, and you know, God, bless it,
thank goodness for that, because this stuff does need to
be talked about, at least again for that pressure release
valve of society that I'm always talking about. It is
(21:45):
a it is a great service what Trouble Minds has
become for that specific thing. A couple of minutes left,
and well, of course we'll get back and James is
going to sit in with us tonight and thank you
for being here, James, A pleasure and take on that
on the whatever I said there and whatever else you got.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
Yeah, I think it's with so much now, with with
with with ghosts, with hauntings, with any of the things,
with aliens, UFOs, cryptids, creatures, that stuff. The general idea,
or the general idea pushed by so much of a
society is that stuff is all fine as long as
it's fiction. It should not exist and what people will say,
(22:28):
it does not exist in any kind of reality. But
then there are people that have experiences with all these
things I just mentioned and more that are seeing there wondering, well,
hang on, something happened. I had this experience. So you're
saying that can't be well, it happened. I don't know
(22:49):
what it was, but happened. So there's that whole aspect
of it. And yeah, I just it is. It's a
thing where I bet you if you if you talk
to everyone you know, at least a handful of people
that you talk to, if they will talk about it all
again part of that stigma, you'll find out there's people
that have weird experiences all the time. And when I
(23:12):
first decided I wanted to start my podcast, I had
two relatives. I was tell you about this at lunch
one day that know me, sit there and start laughing,
and I was going to do this podcast on this
topic and eventually I had to just tell them, you
know what, never mind, and I even raise my voice
to one of my own own uncles, which I'd never do.
(23:34):
But they never picked up me again after that.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
So sometimes you gonna you gotta stand up for yourself.
And yeah, it is at the intersection of many things,
and it is the intersection of being human, which is
which is again what the show's really always been about
at it at its core. I mean, the alien thing
draws a lot of ridicule too, but to be fair,
it's because of the clickbait and stuff. It's because of
all the nonsense that people put out there, you know,
like this comment. I mean, we keep seeing that, I
(23:59):
can joking of the Atlas comet is going to be
right from another dimension soon, and they're like, oh, it's
sending radio signals and it's now it's a fleet of
alien spaceships and shout out, Ricky. I mean, there's so
many things happening with this that just makes you face
palm and not even want to follow the news because
it just drives you insane. And the paranormal space is
exactly like that too. A lot of people, you know,
(24:21):
flat out making things up or exaggerating or leaving out
key details that would solve their mystery. It's it's ridiculous anyway,
So the question for you guys tonight. Yet we're here
with James Elcido, the paranormal expert of Trouble Minds. Of course,
uh check out this podcast Alceito panormal dot Com Trouble Minds,
Honering Force's friends, scroll down, follow James, and we're taking
your calls as we discuss why why that this paranormal
(24:42):
tourism is actually booming and having year over year growth
as part of this this, this, this dialogue, this, this,
this entire I don't know what what the hell's going
on with this? That's what I want to know. Lem
hear You's also we got shift Pete coming up. I
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That's seven oh two seven, one zero three seven. This
is trouble Mind's on, Michael Strange. If you right back
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more with James and your calls as well. Don't go anywhere.
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We'll welcome back, so Troubled Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange.
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point four FM Auckland, New Zealand Tonight. Is it possible
that Halloween has become more than a holiday, turning world
into a constant eerie carnival where digital hauntings feel as
(28:04):
real as any ghost could, The line between simulated fear
and true mystery already be gone, And of course that
the article were citing in the idea is suggesting exactly
that it's growing. I mean, noticed that Halloween stores are
opening earlier every single year. This article suggests paranormal tourism
as a booming industry in twenty twenty five and expected
(28:26):
to have growth year over year growth of the next
several years. And so the question becomes why, Like, what
the hell is actually going on out there? And you know,
James and I have laid out a few reasons why
we think this might be the case, But what do
you think? As usual, this is a a The whole
point of doing this is to have conversations with regular
people about extraordinary ideas. That's the whole point of what
this has always been. So what do you think? And actually,
(28:48):
let's add a fun wrinkle into this. What is your
favorite ghost story? Do you have one? And where maybe
ghost trope or whatever, the granular ghost aspect. I'll tell
you mine right off the bat. My favorite granular ghost
aspect and a sense of mythology and folklore is that
water stuff where the in the legend is sleepy hollow.
(29:08):
The actual ghost of the Hessian soldier cannot cross the
river where Ichabod Crane is safe, and so running water
shout out, Derek. The Ninstock or those mystical source waters
is really sort of a I don't know, a barrier
of sorts, the liminal space. It is one of my
favorites there and it makes a ton of sense for
a lot of ways, but also it also seems a little,
(29:31):
you know, fairy tale. So I don't know, let's add
that wrinkle in as just part of the conversation. As
you know, we can take this anywhere we like. Nonlinear,
open ended is the point of these conversations. So I'm
not an ogre about keeping things, you know, as long
as we're kind on topic talking Halloween type stuff. But
I love to hear what you think about this, James,
or anything to add real quick to that, and Hank
tight chef Pete, we're going to get you just in
a moment here.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Yeah, just that.
Speaker 7 (29:55):
I was thinking about one of the reasons too that
people go to these not so much the the attractions,
the ones where there's no report of paranormal activity, but
the places where there may be, is is that people
who maybe have had an experience, or maybe have heard
about experiences, never had one. I think that is also
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a part of the draw to these places, is that
they're hoping to have one for the first time, or
they're hoping to have one again somewhere else with other people.
So there's that confirmation when you're there with people and
something happens. So I think that's part of the draw
to that as well.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yeah, that makes a ton of sense. And there's for
every person who's had a paranormal experience, there's somebody who
probably hasn't. So that's that it would be a draw
that not only could you experience it, you have a witness,
because the witness is always the one that makes you go, Okay,
I'm not insane. Love your guys. Thoughts on this, we're talking.
I'm calling it the Halloween singularity, paranormal hyperreality and why
is this a booming industry? And why is it growing?
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link with Troublebinds dot org chef Pete and Georgia. What's
our brother? Thanks for being patient. You're on trouble Binds.
How are you, sir? Go right ahead?
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Doing well?
Speaker 4 (31:08):
How about yourself?
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Mike?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Pretty good? No complaints out of me, doing what I
love to do, talking to wild, amazing, great friends about wild, amazing,
great ideas. What's on your mind? Go right ahead with
the Halloween Singularity, take it anywhere you like.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
When I saw the.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
The idea behind this episode, I said, I got to
jump on this one.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Then I.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
As you know.
Speaker 15 (31:32):
I'm in Savada, which is reportedly the most haunted city
in the United States, and I would say that spooky
season here starts January first and it ends December thirty first.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
That seems legitimat.
Speaker 15 (31:48):
The city thrives on supernatural tourism. We have first tours
going year round. We have haunted tours going year round.
Any any day of the year, you can go to
one of these haunted buildings. And there's several in the city.
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I claim to be the most haunted. I've been to
a few of them. I will say that the building
that used to be the Moon River Brewery, the third floor,
they closed it off because there's too much paranormal activity.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Things just move around up there.
Speaker 15 (32:26):
And things get thrown across the room, and it's it
kind of gets a little bit crazy up there. And
actually was it was a good brewery, but they close down.
I actually I got to make up here with them
for one of my old jobs and it was fun.
But I will say this, I mean we've talked a
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little bit. My house is haunted. My house is from
the eighteen hundreds. I've got my spirit dog, but that's
traveled with me, but we have there's definitely a Ghattle
figure in the house. And then there's the little child
of the house that we just recently started seeing a
couple of months ago.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
So I would say that.
Speaker 15 (33:13):
Going back to why is it booming, I think it's
because people with disposable income.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
That are probably around our age.
Speaker 15 (33:22):
We grew up in the eighties where movies and a
lot of other stuff was like awesome, and now we
want to experience it for ourselves. And you want to
go to those places and if you can afford to
do it, if you can get to it, if you
can go there, why not. I mean I think it's
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and now we're all getting to that point where, you know,
maybe wearing jobs where we can take some time off
and go and do that. And it's just so happens that. Yeah,
of course October is spooky season, but here in this
city it's year around. People come here all the time,
uh to get their freak one and and and you know,
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do what they normally can't do.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah, yeah, there's there's a bunch of those. Two. New
Orleans is another one that's a sort of perennal perennially
spooky and it draws, you know, ghost tours year round.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I don't think there's too many in Vegas here, but
it's certainly a spot with some some haunted spaces that uh,
you know, the mob ties that to the to the
past and stuff. I mean, there's a lot of these
cities that that really have sort of a deep paranormal
entrenchment in terms of their identity. And so I don't know,
I think it's incredible that we're you know, the paradigm
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is certainly changing, and I think that's a good thing.
Like but like, and like I always say, and I'm
gonna I'm asking about your your house in a second here,
But like I always say, keep an open mind when
it comes to this stuff, but not so open that
your brain falls out. That's that's the art bell thing.
And so make sure that you don't just write the
off out of hand, because you never know. Just because
you haven't seen something, doesn't you know, negate the fact
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that it might not exist in this universe, and so
that becomes the real question of what's real and what's
not as we commercialize this and sort of press heavily
for these, you know, nostalgia experiences as you're describing now
your house. Last time we talked to you and I
in the group here, you were saying you had a
friend coming that was going to help cleanse the house
(35:25):
and maybe tamp down some of that. You got an
update on that or has that happened yet? Can you
tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 15 (35:33):
It hasn't happened yet because he is ramped up with
appointments out the Ying Yang and I've been busy with
work too because also it's banquetcy and so we've been
pulling million dollars months here for the past couple of months,
so I have not been getting that much time off
to get him in here to do it.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
But it is on the docket.
Speaker 15 (35:56):
Me and him have talked about it and it is
going to happen, but probably more towards the end of
November ish, probably towards Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
It'll probably happen. So I'll have more on.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
That, Okay, But that's cool, Yeah, I mean, so an
additional follow up question to that then, so has the
the activity in your house leveled off, has it spiked,
has it What's what's happening in that regard?
Speaker 4 (36:27):
It's it goes up and down. It's kind of like,
I will say this, my wife told me about the
little girl.
Speaker 15 (36:37):
I didn't see her until about maybe a week and
a half ago, and she was like, no, you haven't
seen a little girl.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
And I was like, no, I haven't seen a little
girl and uh.
Speaker 15 (36:48):
And then the other day I was like, honey, what
did I just see because we were watching TV in
the living room and something just across across the breezeway
through through to the kitchen and it was like, you know,
maybe it was just like a little bit like a shadow,
like a wispy shadow, and it ran from the laundry
rooms to the kitchen.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
And I was like, what the fuck was that? Sorry,
I want to get us canceled. And she was like
what did you say? And I explained to her and
she was like, oh, that's a little girl. Like yeah,
she was like I've been seeing that for like a
month and a half now.
Speaker 7 (37:24):
I was like, no way.
Speaker 15 (37:27):
So that's definitely gonna be one of the questions that
we asked the my psychic for when it comes over,
what's going on with this house? Because there's definitely things happening,
plus the weird movement of objects, and you know, you go,
you look around, and then it's right where you thought
(37:48):
it was like two hours later.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that'll disappearing object trick that re materializes. Yeah.
I mean, like this is the type of stuff, like
normal stuff that people encounter every day. But once again,
sometimes the circumstances are so spooky that you can't just
write it off to sort of a faulty memory or
whatever the human experience. So so lots of ways to
take this, I don't know. So clearly you're in a
(38:14):
paranormal town, and clearly this is probably growing year over
year like the rest of the country. At this point.
What comes next? How weird does this get? And do
you think that we're going to be sort of a
three hundred and sixty five paranormal country and paranormal realm
going forward?
Speaker 15 (38:33):
I think I think it'll probably wramp up a bit more.
I don't know if we're going to be three sixty five,
I would probably say pass that. I would say it's
probably going to be a six month a year thing
honestly nationwide. But like I said, here, it's year round,
year round, one full, long, full bar, and.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
It's it's kind of cool. I mean, it brings a
lot of mine in the city.
Speaker 15 (39:01):
Keeps all the hotels full, keeps all the restaurants full,
every hotel, every restaurant has a has a Uh that's
a story. Actually, it's really funny. One of our reviews
that this past week from my specific hotel said that
they were staying in a certain room and uh, it
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was like ten o'clock at night and I guess got
hit in the head with her son's bracelet that was
on a on our venza and then like the lights
started flickering and whatnot. And then they ended up checking
out eleven forty five. Yeah, but they loved us a
(39:42):
great they left us great scores, they loved us a
great review. But they were like, yeah, we couldn't stay there.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
That's funny, that's funny, like a five star experience. We
got the hell out of there as fast as possible.
Good luck, guy, don't get don't get Yeah, I love that. Okay,
So lots of things in play here and I don't know,
I don't have I don't have the answers obviously, and
like I said, approaching these these ideas, you know, sort
(40:07):
of not trying to find a definitive anything is refreshing
to me because we can kind of just talk about
the periphery or you know, go straightforward or dance around
it or whatever we want to do. But there's no
doubt about it that the paranormal is really booming in
twenty twenty five, and I look forward to more of it.
We got Robert behind you. We got to get to
but you got a final thought. Appreciate you staying up
late with us, and thanks for the call.
Speaker 15 (40:28):
Final thoughts, don't go to the haunted attractions. Go find
a good city, Go check it out. If it's it's
not here, yeah, go to New Orleans. Go to another
haunted city. Go somewhere where those real places, because you
you can take your picking, your cameras and stuff, and
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you can go and you can do all the you know,
the investigations and stuff, and you can get with local
paranormal teams and do that. It's a lot more fun
and it's a lot more rewarding as opposed to going
to a bog haunted house. It's you know animatronics and
(41:09):
you know hydraulics and whatnot. But yeah, it's a good
time and you won't be disappointed. But yeah, as far
as that, I'll keep you guys posted on the house.
Though the house is getting a little freaky, so but
I will definitely keep you guys updated.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
I appreciate that. Thanks again for listening, Thanks for staying
to play with us. Thanks for the call. It's a pleasure.
If something comes to mind, You're welcome the popin later.
You were the best chef Pete in Georgia. Savannah, Georgia
one of the most haunted places in the country, and
he has his own haunted house built the eighteen hundred
wild Stuff. I'm choking over here. Anything James will go
to Robert in just a second. Here, I'm gonna shut
(41:52):
up and catch my breath. Welcome back.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
Yeah, may want to do that. Reading is necessary for
talk shows. I hear here so and that's not fun.
I've been there, but yeah, it's Jeff pe brings up
a good point is that some cities, some places, they
do have that tourism going on, those kinds of especially hotels.
(42:16):
Even in some cases there's a lot of hotels that
do not want anything to do with us, anything to
do with anything anomalous paranormal. But then there's so many
that that once they kind of get all kinds of reports,
they will sort of lean into it and and have
even to where they will advertise certain rooms. I've seen
(42:38):
this before on different websites and different places I've looked
into over the years, where they'll advertise, you know, we
have this room that is said to be haunted, and
you can you can ask about it and reserve it,
and it's sometimes it's met some months in advance. So
I guess the point is there are our places, I think,
around the US and probably around the world where this
(42:59):
kind of stuff, the halloween and or the paranormal is
a year round thing. It's just that we don't always
hear about it.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Yeah, well said, well said, what's your favorite ghost story? Guys?
What do you know about this paranormal tourism booming? And
why is it growing? And the interest in the paranormal?
What the hell is happening here? Does anybody have a
twelve foot tall skeleton on your front lawn? Seven two nine,
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(43:27):
Right ahead?
Speaker 14 (43:29):
I'm fine. And as far as there's really house size skeletons,
they're all over my town.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yeah, they're everywhere. I was as I was kind of
doing the show tonight and putting it together. The A'll
publy the actual data on it, but it was saying
that every year it gets bigger and bigger. That that
huge spike in searches for that twelve foot tall skeleton
from Home Depot. It's crazy.
Speaker 14 (43:54):
Yeah, I love Home Depot. Every Halloween Christmas, they always
have some really really good animated figures for the holiday,
and I always wind up buying we In matter of fact,
I bought three of them. They for just to knock
me on my butt when I went past them, because
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they activated as you're going past, and I thought, I
gotta get that. I mean, last Halloween, I had some
scary stuff and I'm thinking about uh, most most of
the kids dealt with it pretty good. But the one,
just the one that which the one whitch started howl
and that little girl probably know more than three or
four years old. She got so scared she ran away
(44:37):
for her mother Donald sidewalk.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Yeah, some of them are kind of you know, they
sit there quiet and then they jump up and spook it.
I mean, it's real. This stuff is real. And I
did see your video.
Speaker 5 (44:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
By the way, if you havent joined the discord, please
do Robert share a video of the three little things
he purchased and they are fantastic. Thank you for sharing that,
But go ahead. What else you got and what is
your take on why this is booming? What the hell's
going on with this?
Speaker 14 (44:59):
Well, everybody likes to get scared. It's why they go
to the meats in parks and Halloween. Is this has
got uh you know, it's just full of of spooky
stuff and and people just love it. But although I
believe that, uh was it universal? What one of the
(45:19):
one of the big means and I know Disney Disney World.
I went through the haun And house and a guy
had a heart attack in there set lifts on the
knees about a week ago.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Yeah, I heard that. I heard that they actually had
did he make it? I didn't catch what happened to,
but I know they pulled him out of an ambulance
and everything.
Speaker 14 (45:36):
I think he died.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Oh that's obviously not the best. Yeah, don't uh, don't
overdo it, guys. That's that's absolutely wild. And some of
those places again, so they've opened here in Vegas. I
know we talked about this a little bit, like for
four new haunted houses, and uh, I've got colleagues at
work that went. They got sort of an early pass
to go check it out. And some of the some
of the things they are telling me were kind of terrified,
and I'm like, whoa like strobe lights and that the
(46:01):
the Exorcist girl walking backwards and upside down. But it's
a certain like a you know type circus performer, I mean,
really scary stuff that if you your faint of heart
just to just stay out, to stay in the bar,
have a beer.
Speaker 14 (46:13):
What else do you imagine? You imagine? Uh, not too
far away? Year or two, maybe three, the kind of
haunted house is going to be that's AI generated.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Yeah, with with real holograms and maybe generating let's say
in a real time. Yeah, this is the type of
stuff like we've been sort of hypothesizing for like the
last five, six, seven, eight years on this show. But
now some of that stuff is actually coming to fruition,
And you're right, it's going to be. Things are just
going to get more and more weird, right as Terence
McKenna said, and boardery yards, I can never say, right,
(46:48):
hyperreality aspect is upon us pretty pretty creepy stuff.
Speaker 14 (46:53):
I wanted to tell my own little haunted house story
when I bought when we bought this house by off
the widows her her husband had died, and we bought
off the widow. And then after we moved in, uh
for years, Uh you know, doors that open and banks
shut upstairs, and all kinds of stuff was going on. Anyway,
(47:19):
we had a fire in here some years back, and
when the people came in to do the repairs. I
stopped by one afternoon and they were upstairs and and
one pulled me aside and says, is there anybody here?
We've been here? He said, well, I am. You know
(47:43):
when I'll move back in when you're done. He says, no,
we are. We have voices up here, and uh, I
believe them. I'm sure he's hearing the voices. But after
after after the fire, my belief is that uh, it
was husband who was haunting. If the widow's husband that
(48:03):
was haunting the place. After the fire and everything was
taken back into order, it stopped. But my wife he
said that there is I thought it was because the
fire drobe map but my wife was adamant and that
it wasn't the fire. Uh, the widow died and so
he was no longer restless. I guess got that together
(48:27):
or something.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
Well, or sort of sort of calm the energy in
the space. Yeah, I mean that's the type of stuff,
you know. Me, like, I'm open to these ideas because
I think human energy is resonant. As I'm always saying,
there's some you know, like especially trauma, trauma sticks, and
when somebody passes on in your circle or somebody very
close to you, there's there's a you know, sort of
a even let's say let's say they pass on and
(48:49):
it's it's to the best place or all the rest
of that, but you still have harbor your own trauma
as part of it. And so maybe you know you're
haunting the place, do you know what I'm saying. I mean,
there's a lot of ways to look at this, per usual,
and that's why it's a fascinating to have these conversations.
Speaker 14 (49:05):
Yeah, yeah, well that's that's why I called it forward,
to give my personal story of this house that was
harmed for years, and I'll let it go and let
somebody else get in here.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
You were the best. Appreciate you very much. Thank you
for the call. And again before you go, thank you
for that incredible generous donation and that actually paid for
my tire. So thank you so much. You bought me
a new tire.
Speaker 14 (49:26):
I appreciate it here and you're welcome.
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there about the haunted house, and yeah, wild stuff. I
got a couple of minutes left, dreams. Anything to add
to what Robert said or any ideas that popped into
your head? Welcome back? How you feeling?
Speaker 7 (50:08):
Well, that's that's an amazing story there of the experience.
And I wouldn't be surprised if if the activity there
did end, because maybe the husband and wife were together.
I have heard of accounts of similar things happening where
just activity stops after sort of a family has and
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this is from natural causes, and that you know, nothing tragic,
and is in a sense where they moved down, Where
a couple has moved down, where a family is not
in a location anymore, sometimes things stop, there's no more activity.
If there's time later on, I can talk about my
grandparents' house because it's my favorite because there's multiple people
that have seen the same thing at different different points
(50:55):
in time over the years, and my grandma figured out
who it was, So I will tease that for later.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
Nice, nice looking forward to that. Yeah, what do you
guys know about hauntings? That's the whole point tonight, because again,
the paranormal tourism space is booming. Apparently. I've actually toyed
with the idea of doing my own paranormal ghost tour
here in Vegas. I mean, I am Michael Strange, after all,
I am a professional driver, after all. I mean, hop
(51:22):
on it. There's spooky lights and there's water in the back,
and here we go mister Toad's wild Ride. I mean,
that type of stuff is super fun, right, And not
only that, as we're talking about tonight, there is a
distinction between you know, the Universal Studios haunted houses they
created here in Vegas just recently they just opened up,
(51:43):
but this clearly and obviously for this season, and they're
going to be running year around. And you know, if
anybody knows Vegas, they change stuff all the time. So
it won't be you know, the four static haunted house.
Is it going to swap the mountain stuff. So it
should be pretty cool. It should be a pretty cool experience.
But there are places here that are legitimately quote haunted,
and you know, depending on the tale, depending on the experience,
(52:05):
depending on who's seeing what, And so I don't know,
what do you believe about it? It's twenty twenty five,
the paranormal space is booming. Do you believe in ghosts?
Do you believe that human resident energy has a way
of sticking around somehow, whether you believe in the soul
or not, And that becomes really the paramount question of
the night and why of all things in all places
(52:27):
in twenty twenty five? Is this a massive growing space
in terms of entertainment, the paranormal tourism space. I don't know.
Love to hear your thoughts. We are taking your calls
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staying up late, listening and contributing to the common versation.
What do you know about it? Paranormal tourism booming twenty
twenty five? It seems counterintuitive? Why one more time? Seven
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more on the way. We got more from James, and
we got Ricky coming up and euro calls as well.
Don't go anywhere. See you on the other side of
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(53:45):
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tonight works on the paranormal. Now, we started with this
article here that's suggests this well. Site stats paranormal tourism
(54:08):
a booming industry in twenty twenty five and they expect
a year over year growth of two point eight percent
over the next several years. Now, the question is why
the hell is this happening? Because clearly, like I keep saying,
we seem to be in a weird space in twenty
twenty five, where this hyper reality is encroaching with technology
and old ideas and new ideas and all the rest
(54:29):
of the stuff that we're always doing. But also it's
really hitting the larger zeitgeist. It's hitting the human psyche.
And this isn't one of the things you would expect
to boom. You would expect all manner of other things
to maybe boom. But here we go, strap in. Things
are about to get weird. As Terrence McKenna said, do
I still have that clip? Let me see if I
have that mechanic clip, because that's too good, because this
(54:49):
is exactly the point. This is that idea of not
just hyper reality, but beyond that.
Speaker 14 (54:54):
Do I have it?
Speaker 3 (54:55):
Oh my gosh, don't tell me. I need to get
my glasses to read these things. Okay. Anyway, I'm not
gonna I'm not going to try and just smash a button, okay,
but love to hear what you think about this. The
whole point of this is to have a conversation with
amazing people. So let's talk James and welcome back anything
to add to what I said, what was said? Anything,
blah blah blah. Welcome to the thing. How you feeling,
Go right ahead, if you got anything, We'll go to
Ricky right after you.
Speaker 7 (55:17):
Yeah, I'm okay. Great calls from fire I do think
that the clickbait, I mean it goes even to places
where there's there's like when I do research for places,
sometimes I will I will find some one website that
I'll say this one place is haunted. Then I'll find
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two or three or four others that say, there's no
evidence to this, there's no reports to this, other reports
to this, other than this one website. And I found
examples of that before, So it is a thing and
so but then on the other hand, there's just places
where like there's just constantly people investigating them.
Speaker 6 (56:01):
The way it really.
Speaker 7 (56:02):
Hill's Asylum in Kentucky, I think to me is one
of those places where there are just so many reports
that yes, there's reality shows that have gone there, however
there's so many reports from individuals if you look around
the mine who have gone there, who had experiences. So
I do believe that place that's activity. So you really
(56:23):
have to do a lot of research, I think these
days to find out what's going on. And yeah, I
mean some websites are counting on you not doing that,
so that's always there as well.
Speaker 3 (56:33):
Yeah, I'm running into some similar stuff too with AI.
You know, say you dig a little deeper and it
like finds one like really niche weirdo website, no offense
to niche weirdos. But and then it kind of you know,
draws you into the thing and I click it and look,
and I'm like, I think all this is made up? Right,
Like I can't verify that, But it's also an interesting space.
Think about this. Remember in the old days, like like
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the old seventies ghost movies or any kind of mystery movie,
they would like go down to the library to do
like local research and find like, oh, we found it.
There's a person who used to live here in the house,
and you know, there's a tragedy that happened, and there's
probably you know, trauma kind of existing spiritual trauma or
something to that effect, right in the old days. And
now with the Internet shrinking like it is, because of
course the AI systems are gobbling up all the information,
(57:17):
and now the data itself becomes less valuable directly because
now they've kind of got it in their back pocket
and they're like, you know, why do we need to
host this crap when we've sort of learned from it.
But of course it's way more complicated than that. But interestingly,
my point in bringing all that up is we're probably
moving into a space where that library experience is going
to be just as magical it was in nineteen seventy seven.
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So go down to your local historical societies and check
the library and see what kind of actual stuff is
in your area, because I'm telling you there's probably more
stuff than you could shake a stick at that will
be forgotten if we don't find a way to remember it.
Fire stuff, anything on that.
Speaker 7 (57:53):
James, Yeah, I definitely agree.
Speaker 14 (57:56):
And just the act of.
Speaker 7 (58:00):
Having events where you can you invite people to talk
about these things and just opening up that that conversation,
not just in what we do on these shows, but
just this is something I would love to do locally myself,
is host events where I just opened up to people
talk about this topic these topics in person, and then
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see what comes up out of that, because I think
there'll be some amazing stories in any local area from
that kind of event. But those things are not you know,
they're not common, and people don't always want to a
lot with them or have them at their locations.
Speaker 3 (58:36):
Yeah, exactly, exactly I'm going to be I've actually recently
been down to the Clark County library here and here
in Vegas. I'm gonna go spend some time, some weekend
time doing doing some research to see if I could
find some things. And I don't know. I gets a
kind of a hardy boys mystery aspect of well, what
are we missing? Because I'm sure there's a ton out
there and a lot of these old places. Again, ironically enough,
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with the digital space sort of shrinking, this is going
to be the space that we're gonna We're gonna end
up back to square one. You know, the Library of Alexandria.
Let's hope we don't burn it. Well, do you guys?
Thoughts on this? We're talking again? How come in twenty
twenty five the paranormal space is booming? What the hell
is going on with that? And what does it mean?
Because of course it's counterintuitive, it's backwards. It seems as
(59:19):
if this isn't the thing that should be happening, and
yet it's happening. Nonetheless. Seven oh two nine five seven
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the Tri State area. What's a brother? You're on trouble Binds.
How are you, sir? Go right ed?
Speaker 7 (59:45):
Good?
Speaker 6 (59:46):
How are y'all doing?
Speaker 7 (59:47):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (59:47):
Pretty good? No complaints out of me. We're talking to
ghost stories by dark of night. It is what we do,
having a good time. Welcome to the joint. What's on
your mind?
Speaker 6 (59:56):
Yeah? Yeah, this what was about?
Speaker 1 (59:57):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (59:58):
We just need a little campfire going we can. We
can little campfire video in the background as we do.
It'd be fun.
Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
But hell yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:00:07):
I've seen them the biggest keletons and stuff like that.
I've seen a dog the other day. I had it
pretty cool is it was like off foot tall. It
had like glowing eyes. I had an extra two hundred dollars.
I would buy it and put in my woods and
plug that thing in, just freak people out as they
drove by. But be I think it'd be pretty fun.
(01:00:28):
Somebody probably shoot it, but it'd be still.
Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Yeah, it'll be worth yeah, yeah, so certain parts of
the country. Yeah, to care for you, things might get shot,
you do know what an interesting to side on that.
As I was walking the dog the last couple of
nights with Missus Strange, we were kind of going and
checking out the Helminen decorations and stuff. It's a marvel
that here in Las Vegas, you know, high crime and
all the stuff, big city, the upper we live, they
(01:00:53):
can just put out these really expensive things in their
yard and nobody steals them. I mean, I don't know,
it's a it's a weird thing, and nobody shoots them
over where you're at. I mean, I'm just saying it's
it's a weird thing.
Speaker 6 (01:01:02):
Well go ahead, Yeah, I don't think they would. I mean,
it's it's just might break somebody out, imagine, But they
might not shoot it, you as long as it wasn't
like a deer. I've seen people do that where people
put them artificial deers and stuff in their front yard
and then hunters would come through the woods and see
them and shoot them in the front yard. And it's
just crazy stuff, you know. But but yeah, it's you know,
(01:01:30):
just the more and more it seemed like more and
more that the people are pushed to you know, it's
just at that time of awakening of more or what.
But there's so much more paranormal stuff. There's of course,
there's so much you know, you can get on Discovery
Plus or whatever, and there's shows all over. There's got
(01:01:51):
another what's that new network they got it's all paranormal stuff?
Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Is it Comet?
Speaker 6 (01:01:56):
But I forget what it's called. I know, Save Straighter
and all them. Someone got some shows on there. But
I don't want to pay the money. I won't pay
twenty five hours a month for just a handful of shows.
So yeah, hell no, yeah it is. I was like
that sounds cool, but uh no, I just was like,
(01:02:16):
we got this, and like I understand they got to
start off and you know it's going to be a
little bit but but yeah, no, it's I'll just wait.
Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
I'll be patient and eventually they'll be a stable for
free on two B or something. So yeah, coming soon
to a two be near you or some some other
free streaming platform.
Speaker 6 (01:02:36):
Absolutely, oh absolutely, you know it's we'll catch it on
you know something, something's gonna be we'll be able to catch.
So yeah, it's I mean all these shows and stuff
are coming out more and more, more and more paranormal stuff.
It's more and more people are opening up their minds
to it and seeing more. And actually I'm wondering, you know,
(01:03:01):
maybe it is that energy. And of course this time
of month, we're sure enough going to have the crazy stuff,
which hopefully knock on wood. I don't, but since I moved,
I was thinking that. I was thinking that to night
we started talking ghost stores. I'm like, I think I
left my ghost there at my old house, so it's
one of the things I want to go. I asked
to do, was like, hey, you know, have you seen
(01:03:23):
anything or anything? But you know, so I was like,
I didn't really disclose that the house was possibly haunted,
so probably won't leave them alone.
Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Yeah, any any trouble, Yeah, exactly. Any real estate agents
out there that know, like, if it's if it's like
a haunted like a you know, historically haunted, do you
have to actually like report that in the listing. I mean,
I think there was something about that I saw, you know,
in the last couple of years since we were talking
about this, But I don't know. I'm guessing it's probably
a different state by state, But yeah, I mean right,
you kind of got to be like, yeah, there's also
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a ghost here. I mean, because you know some people
are like no, hell no, no thanks.
Speaker 6 (01:04:00):
Yeah really, I mean I I've heard that before that
you know, there's like if you don't have you know,
if you don't disclose like everything, like if you have
all kinds of crazy stuff. I don't know, but I didn't.
I didn't say there was nothing, and I didn't say.
Speaker 5 (01:04:16):
There was but.
Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Yeah, it's just old. The old architecture makes some noises
in the night. You know, Everything's fine. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 6 (01:04:24):
That's it. No, don't worry about the clips I have recorded.
I don't worry about those of sleeve. It was alone
and you know what that stuff and uh exactly what
I did record a yeah, it was just that yeah yeah,
uh yeah I did record.
Speaker 14 (01:04:42):
I did get a.
Speaker 6 (01:04:45):
Voice when I was actually back eddy of my one
of my videos along a long time ago, and I
heard a hello come through and like I think I
had to be sitting beside me for my mic to
pick up, Like holy hell.
Speaker 12 (01:04:59):
M.
Speaker 6 (01:05:00):
I've had a bunch of my nieces and daughter and
a bunch of everybody's been in my house at one point.
Another of my old house was they've had uh no,
you say something, Yeah, I think my house haunted and
they're like no, shit, Like oh wow, okay, well I
won't say enough, no more about it, but.
Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Don't manifest the haunting. Yeah, I mean yeah, And I
think that's the thing too, right, because it's like superstition
is one thing. But then, like I said, it's almost
it's probably coin flippy that you know, maybe maybe close
to fifty percent by my estimation of people have probably
had an experience, and I would say of this group
(01:05:42):
of people that listen to these type of shows, it's
probably way higher. It's probably like closer to you know,
eighty five or ninety percent. Just just kind of hip
shot guessing on what these numbers might look like if
people were honest when they took these polls. And so,
I don't know. It's it's a weird thing that that
this interest is growing because I think it's, as we're
describing tonight, it is sort of they one of those
interests that's been censored, you know, that it's been ridiculed.
(01:06:04):
It's been just like the alien conversation. It's and it's
not look at scientific to say, are we alone in
the universe. It's a scientific question. But then the second
you're like, well the atlas that the three I whatever
common or whatever that was called, is an alien spaceship.
That's different, which is funny. By the way, you're the
one who dropped that in the link in the discord
earlier with the guy claiming I called it.
Speaker 14 (01:06:24):
I called it. I called it.
Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
It's like, what like, there's a fleet of alien spaceships
that's what you called. Wow, Okay, that looks not that
it's impossible just to go outside and look up use
your own eyes.
Speaker 6 (01:06:39):
Yeah, I had to share that. That was just I
was like, man, I showed it the day before. It
was some funny and then then that popped up, and
I'm like, that's just it's getting crazier and crazier. You
know what they're putting out there on that on that saying,
which you know they've had it under nuclear power, they've
had you know one a second, Well maybe it is
a calm Well no, it's not a comment because it's
(01:07:01):
this and it's just like, I don't know, it's kind
of like they're they want this information out there. Maybe
they're gonna use it.
Speaker 14 (01:07:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (01:07:12):
Uh, who knows, uh, who knows?
Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Is fine, It just clickbait to the to the nth degree,
which is the frustrating part about it.
Speaker 6 (01:07:21):
Part it is Yeah, I mean, you know, I kind
of I don't know. I'm still in the boat. Like
you know, Project Bluebeans or our variation is coming and
I think they could use that, but I don't know.
We'll see m the possible there are endless exactly, but
I do think that's kind of what's what we have coming,
(01:07:42):
because it's gonna be really that's not really what it's
gonna be. But oh, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see
its strapping because who knows what's coming.
Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
So the question for you then, why is this Why
why does the idea of the paranormal persist in twenty
twenty five and why is this space growing?
Speaker 6 (01:08:06):
I think like more and more, like I heard, you know,
you know one like we did, we did. We did
grow up on like Gruble shows. We grew up you know, eighties.
We had all kinds of stuff from from Freddy Kruger
to do you know Ghostbusters, which you know was a
lot of people got into and I think a lot
of people got into ghosts and looking at that stuff,
(01:08:27):
you know, from from Ghostbusters, and it made it popular,
you know, it really did. And I think it's more
and more some of us nostalgia because of that and
some of it it is just more and more people
are being open or being more honest with it because
it's more openly, uh, you know, before years ago, it's
(01:08:50):
kind of like what the UFOs. It was you looked
down on. They would make fun of you or whatever.
He look crazy if somebody said something to you about
well this place is this or whatever. Now it's pretty open.
You know, people are well more open about you know,
what they've seen or what they heard. And and so
(01:09:11):
I think that's one of the things that we'll see
more more well actually, you know, and there so there's
a drive for and then people they just you know, hey,
we'll make some scary shows and we'll or we'll make
this and you know, and so some of you already
threw really really the places, you know, and I put
in a chat like Hot Springs, Arkansas, one of one
and also another one of the most haunted places in
(01:09:32):
the United States because of at all them water Hot Springs,
you know, natural water uneath there and and they had
mop tized wish all kinds of people got whacked over
there because because of the mob and everything. So that
combination is it is, it is highly potent. It's another
(01:09:54):
cool place. Plus it's up there and kind of the
in the mountains and stuff. You've been out west, they're
not they don't look like mountain mountains, but they're they're
pretty cool little eels compared to the out there os
r so o's are pretty nice, are pretty pretty. But
you know, compared to like, you know, on the West
coast mountains there, they're nowhere near the size of you know.
Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
Yeah, yeah, different too, like a different vibe, different feeling.
I've been to both, and yeah, all that's super fascinating
and all those places too, you know, going back to
the natives that lived here for thousands of years that
there there's you know, these sacred spaces. And we've talked
about this quite a lot on the show in different ways,
but I mean, you know, we we do things like
(01:10:37):
build on sacred spaces, and you know there are there
are you know, actual organizations that try and stop these things,
but it happens anyway, and you know, it's it's it's
part of one of the big modern fights of you know,
preserving things versus what tradition versus progress. Right, it's the
big the big deal there. But but beyond that, it's
I don't know, it's I think everything is kind of
(01:10:59):
say ground, especially in some of those places that with
high trauma. You know, Gettysburg, we've talked about a lot.
Uh people was talking about the Savannah, you know with
you know, the slave trade and the native wars and
all kinds of stuff that happened there the Civil War.
I mean that he said, what was he saying in
the chat there that you know, anywhere you walk there's
a there's a body beneath your feet, Like that's how
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it sort of just trauma soaked that place is. So
I mean it's got to play. It's kind of play
in some capacity. What I got, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (01:11:30):
Yeah, it's like another one like I've been to is
like Shallow. It's in Tennessee and it was a Civil
War battlefield. They had over twenty five thousand people killed.
Absolutely horror on he said they during the battle that
the uh, all the smoke and stuff, there was a
you know, cloudy day whatever and kept all the smoke down.
(01:11:52):
So really people were just killing each other there was
you know where it was, you know, the same side
was killed the same side because the head of coudn't
see now there's somebody's shot. So they shot back at
that desk, you know, at the sound kind of thing.
And that place is super super haunted. I went, I
mean my last year, I think it was me and
(01:12:12):
my parents went up, mam and Mom was like, I
want to go to Shatlow okay. And they also have
it's also got bounds, ancient Indian bounds there too. You
know that a lot of them been those have been
destroyed through the years and stuff like that, but it's
got those there also. And we drove around and I
had driving roma cheap and I had the windows down,
(01:12:33):
radios off, everything. We're just idling through there, just looking around,
looking at stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
And.
Speaker 6 (01:12:40):
And I heard I heard like trumpet music. I like,
just a light music come across there that's soft. And
I'm like, what the hell? And I'm thinking in my head,
I'm like, what the hell was that. My mom turned
and looked at me and she's like, you heard that,
didn't you. I'm like, yeah, I heard of mom, and
she was on what And then we and we turned
around with we kept going because it's like it's like
(01:13:01):
a figure eight, because you go this way and you
go around, and you keep going around, and then you
and he before you can see all the different sites
and it's then all of a sudden we heard we
heard cannon fire, like faint cannon fire, and they were
doing re enactments, but it wasn't in our forty five
minutes before they did it, and so they were we
(01:13:22):
heard faint cannon fire, and of course him, I was like,
you heard it, you know, yeah, Mom, I heard that too,
you And so it was because she knows, she knows
I'm sensit of that stuff, and so it was I
didn't I wasn't going to say nothing. I was just
sitting there and just driving them like I didn't hear nothing.
I didn't hear nothing. We were kep riding along, and
of course, like when she turned looked at me, and
I'm like, man, you know, I'm not gonna lie to her,
(01:13:44):
and like, hey, yeah, I did. I for sure heard it.
Speaker 10 (01:13:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
It was.
Speaker 6 (01:13:50):
It was a freaky time. And in those Indian miles used,
it's like a if you are sensed of it's like
an energy coming off from things. Because of you know,
with the native you know, the being buried there and
what they put there and just the energy of it.
Of course you get right there. It's like the Tennessee
Rivers were flowing right there beside it there or so
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it's another water.
Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
Area.
Speaker 6 (01:14:14):
It just it's amazing how water and air normal just
it's just hand in hand. But his, I've seen some
wild stuff and I heard some wild stuff over the years,
and uh and and and it's taken me this year,
this many years really and for me really opened up
and like talk about it, like really since I found
the show here, you know, and you know, I went
(01:14:35):
on Jane Show and talked, and I went on a
few other places, and I'm like actually able to open
up and say this because I'm like, you know, its
like and people look at you crazy you talk about
this stuff, you know. Before now so many people are
opening more and more open and saying, hey, yeah there
is other things, there's other stuff. And so it's I
think it's gonna be. You know, we're gonna keep on
(01:14:58):
growing in the field and paranormal field, and there's gonna
be there's gonna be more scheisterers and stuff and all
that come out is a bad thing on the side
of it, but it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting
to see, you know what comes of it.
Speaker 5 (01:15:12):
Though.
Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Yeah, it's an easy thing to fake, is is the thing, right,
because you just need to tell a story and you know,
kind of backing up with this or of that. And
you know, my my buddy saw it too, and you know,
maybe maybe you don't have any friends, no offense, not
to you or anybody here, but you know what I mean,
all you have to do is go wink wink, I
had a corroborating witness and then suddenly, right, you don't
sound like a crazy person, or you can kind of
(01:15:34):
get away with the fib and so. And there's a
lot of that too. There's a lot of that, not
just in the alien space, but also in the paranormal space.
Anything that's fringe is gonna gonna be rife with that
type of stuff. And some of it, Look, look, I'm
a weird guy, and we talk about weird stuff. And
I even pushed the envelope on, you know, kind of
conceptually but moving the conversation in different directions. However, some
(01:15:58):
of the stuff I see online makes me facebalm and
I'm like, I just can't. I just can't. Like I
end up muting people. I'm like, I look, I can't.
If every damn thing you see in this guy's an alien,
we have a problem, right. It's it's one thing to
say an orb okay, it's another thing entirely to say
a fleet of alien spaceships okay, because again there's there's
eight and a half whatever nine billion growing people on
(01:16:20):
this earth, and go out and look up. And if
you don't see a fleet of alien spaceships, your your
TikTok post is just simply rubbish. I'm sorry, just about
out of time. Final five. Thanks for popping in here.
Always a pleasure, my man. What you got.
Speaker 6 (01:16:35):
I see it? I just I figured I come in
and talk about my house not being a new area. Hopefully,
hopefully this area is not where I'm at now. And
you know, uh, extra friends, freeloaders. But I put in
a chat that's the Beacon TV is a new paranormal
TV channel, I guess or service. I guess service would say,
(01:17:00):
actually it's one of my It looks like some cool
shows on there. I just I just can't puney up
right now. And I appreciate you having me on here
and appreciate the and uh to hear James too. I
said that last night on my show. At the end
he fussed at me for calling him the paranormal expert,
but all my chat.
Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
He'll get on.
Speaker 7 (01:17:21):
Hey, I did that to everybody who calls me. It's
not just you. I'm kidding.
Speaker 6 (01:17:26):
I knew he would when I said it, so, But
I appreciate y'all and always a great, great topic for
sure tonight and I was able to call in.
Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
You were the best. Thanks for staying to play with us.
Thanks for spending your time energy with us. Thanks for
sharing your ideas and your thoughts with us. Appreciate the call.
Always a pleasure to go a great night you too,
Thanks a lot, brother, that's you don't mean love him
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Wednesday nights, and he's done a ton of paranormal stuff
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growing these ideas and why in twenty twenty five is
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to paranormal Now, we started with this article that says
this paranormal tourism a blooming industry in at twenty twenty five,
(01:19:28):
with a market valuation around thirty two point seven six
billion dollars projected to reach thirty nine point seven seven
billion by twenty thirty two. Yeah, right, So what the
hell's going on? Like I said, this is the inversion process.
This is you wouldn't expect this to be what is
actually happening, but it's actually happening. Because we're supposed to
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not believe in ghost stories, right, Society is like, stop it,
that's nonsense, which is fine. Look, I'm okay with that
take too. The whole point is, if you run the
gamut of the ideas, you've got to understand both sides
of the argument and understand where people would say something
if they saw something or had experiences maybe growing up,
maybe an imaginary friend they couldn't shake, maybe that's still
(01:20:09):
with them. You know, things like this, like they're as usual.
There are things that will change you when you've had
an experience of it. Okay, and that's cool, But then
also if you haven't, sort of on the other edge,
of the spectrum. You're like me, you know stuff whatever,
it's like an old stupid ghost story. Fine, fine, but again,
at least put yourself in the space to recognize what's
(01:20:30):
happening on both ends of the spectrum or in the
gamut of the conversation. And that's the point. That's why
we do this, that's why we again get together and
talk about these wild ideas and why it's interesting to
see that it's a growing space and it's not just
let's say, the tourism space, but also I would hope
the podcast space is part of it. James, anything on
that or anything that Ricky said, or anything that you
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got to add, then we'll go to Derek the Knights Talker.
Speaker 7 (01:20:54):
Yeah, great call from Ricky. Great costs for everyone, and yeah,
these it's not just buildings. It's funny. I did a
post earlier today on a substack about that it's not
just buildings that are part of that paranormal tourism now
that are said to be paranormal hotspots now well really
(01:21:16):
not even just now. It's not just buildings, is my point.
There's just all kinds of places out in the wild,
and even some of those are now again because of
historical events happening in places. Even some of those now
are they have events, locations have historical reenactments. But then
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of course, even if they don't advertise it themselves, if
it's a big enough place and well known, then people
will go there because they hear about it, and they
find out about it through the online to any number
of places books from over the years. So yeah, I
think that's going to increase, keep on increasing too, because
these places, especially these battlefields, there's so many I've heard
(01:21:57):
of where there is reports of almost sounds and apparitions
happening there.
Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Yeah, as Ricky was describing, and there's so many. And
the South particularly again, that Civil War was just so beastly,
just like such a traumatic event, all the death and carnage.
But it was brother against brother, right, it was. It
was not a good spot to be in. And again,
you know, you get you get clipped with a bullet,
you might think you're lucky to survive, and then you
get gangreen. I mean, it was just horrific. How the
(01:22:26):
medical process really wasn't in place shit to kind of
stop a lot of this mass casualty stuff back then
in the Civil Wars. Anyway, just my point is that
trauma exists in the Deep South and where all these
battles were fought, and it is you know, people still
hear and see things today as you're describing, and that's
what we're talking about tonight. I'm calling it the Halloween singularity. Now,
this paranormal hyperreality and basically is it becoming ubiquitous? Are
(01:22:50):
we going to turn into a space where Halloween gets
longer and longer and longer, where it's three hundred and
sixty five days a year like here in Vegas by
the way, I've said this off and recently too, that
we have we have a kind of Halloween stores year
round because it's Vegas, right, People show up dressed like
Bigfoot on the strip or something and it's just funny.
But you can go down to stores here a year
(01:23:11):
round and by Halloween stuff. It's just the way. It is,
like a world weird town. But I don't think there's
a lot of towns that are like that. So, uh,
is it going to really become sort of a fac
simile of Vegas the world over? I don't know. And
what's going on with this Halloween singularity? Love to hear
your thoughts. Seven oh two nine five seven one zero
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go to Derek in Massachusetts. What's up to night, Stucker?
How are you my man? Welcome to the joints. How
are you feeling? Go right ahead, I'm.
Speaker 8 (01:23:44):
Doing a little spooky over here. Yeah, wall stuff all stuff.
I don't have to I don't know too much for tonight,
but yeah, well wild stuff. I don't have any of
those those giant skeletons or whatever, but I've seen a
bunch and I've seen people call them nipple and skeletons
or do think it's pretty funny?
Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
That is funny.
Speaker 8 (01:24:03):
Yeah, I was thinking, like you were talking about how
there's more and more searches for them, and like soon
I'm probably like they're gonna get bigger and bigger soon.
Speaker 5 (01:24:11):
Maybe they'll go from skeletons to a flush on them.
Speaker 8 (01:24:15):
Maybe soon they'll move around and stuff, and then we're
kind of watching kind of the the formation of them
coming to life, you know, for like the start of skeletons,
they get some flush, they start moving before you know it,
take come to life.
Speaker 5 (01:24:26):
You know it's as episode righting to happen.
Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
Yeah, seriously. Not only that, the weird part is, I
know you guys have seen it if you're out there,
they have like these these lights. You know in the
old days, like you're back in the eighties that the
lights were just like Christmas lights and you couldn't even
find orange ones. It was just Christmas lights. So you
didn't really find decorations like you have today. But there's
now like these, you know, the holograms that swirl in
the windows and like all this stuff. Imagine when it
turns into like a three D space, which is coming.
(01:24:50):
I'm sure, I'm sure maybe next year the following year,
we're going to have like full on three D like
ghostly apparitions flying around your front yard type of stuff.
Like that's how that's how nuts these decorations are getting
right now exactly.
Speaker 8 (01:25:02):
And then move from holograms to those touchable holograms and
stuff too, and you'll cosby pooping down, picking you up
and like grabbing the witches broom and like getting uh
like hanging on to your life and that kind of stuff.
I said, there's one house on my ride home in
the morning. Uh, it's I'm not sure he lives there anything,
but there's all there's like it's across from one of
the giants skeletons.
Speaker 5 (01:25:22):
It doesn't have any on their own, but it has
like a bunch of cob webs and graveyards.
Speaker 8 (01:25:26):
One of those houses, it looks like you just dumped
an attire like uh, high party or whatever, right onto
the front lawn and stuff that just covered in it.
But then the very front it has a big like
poster I guess, or like it's like the whole length
of the yard saying, uh, Hollywood is dead in a
bunch of graves, and I think the graves are like
celebrities and stuff too. It was like that's a kind
of weird theme, like dead Hollywood. It's like hunted Hollywood.
(01:25:49):
But yeah, I mean the guys has this thing around holes.
Speaker 5 (01:25:52):
I guess you can't hear me. Sorry.
Speaker 8 (01:25:58):
So I'm thinking that this kind of the experiential aspect
of of the paranormal tourism and the paranormal events kind
of could be a reason. And I think like with movie,
like the economy is bad, so people are less likely
to go out and spend and do a lot of
recreational stuff.
Speaker 5 (01:26:18):
Or whatever.
Speaker 8 (01:26:19):
So the movie theaters are struggling, so the one the movie.
The movies that aren't struggling as much are like the
experiential movies, like there, that's why all the theaters are
getting the crazy seats and the rumbley seats and the
forty X bringing water around you and different smells and stuff,
and or like the reason My Superheroes or Mission Impossible
is the like these big movies, the big kent pole
movies a big because like you can't get the same
(01:26:41):
experience in your house and stuff, So I think experiential,
this experiential nature of it, it's probably a reason that
people are willing to show out money if they can
get an experience that they can't that they can't get
at home, and to be scared as an experience that
people seem to love. So like like the again economy
is bad, the theme part are not really struggling.
Speaker 5 (01:27:01):
Theme parks are kind of still going strong.
Speaker 8 (01:27:03):
Like people say Disney's struggling, but Disney's Team parks are
really not struggling at all. Or like the cruise industry,
people still go on cruises even though the economy is bad.
Speaker 5 (01:27:11):
That seems the thing that's kind of economy.
Speaker 8 (01:27:13):
Proof is experiential events and something that you can't like
recreate on your own is to be haunted, to be
scared or that's the rollercoaster thrill or whatever. Or guarantee
in Hollywood for movies is like make a horror movie.
Soit purst as a director trying to bust into theo
the industry, the first thing they do is make a
horror movie because they're basically like foolproof like movie fans,
(01:27:36):
like you see, like a people are more likely to
give a chance on a horror movie. They're more likely
to like go on like a suggested a suggested video
or some like direct to Shutter, direct to Amazon horror
movie or some kind of thing that they know is
low budget more so than any other genre because because
even if it is low budget, they can still kind
(01:27:57):
of get those scares that the scares is this commerce
is scare is this like asset that people seem to
always want, you know, m Rambler But putting in with
the experiential nature of it, that people are still willing
to show out for an experience when they won't show
out for other stuff.
Speaker 5 (01:28:13):
Yeah, experience of big experience, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
Think absolutely And uh. Modern neuroscience has has suggested that
that's the best way to spend your money because you
remember those things you don't remember, like the junk you
buy and then throw away or donate to the goodwill
or whatever after you You know, it's a it's it's
just a relic of an old time that's is now obsolete,
that you spent money on then and now it's worthless now.
(01:28:36):
But that memory never goes away. And that's that's exactly
the point. And and maybe why this is actually booming.
You got to take on that, James, Yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (01:28:46):
Think that could be, and that could also explain the
I was I think I was talking to you about
this a while ago, Mike how I was thinking or
someone anyway, I was talking to you how I was
looking to get into more find more resources for paranormal
content for research and everything. And I looked into a
couple of those online streaming services for shows for that topic,
(01:29:11):
and then of what I saw was the paranormal investigation
reality show format. I'm not even kidding it was that much.
It was just different names of different groups and different locations.
And I wonder if that's private too, Is that that
is now if you can't go to these places in person, Well,
(01:29:33):
then the best thing you can do is to watch
one of those shows, even though you know, if you
look into it more, even if you're aware, I guess
you can if you really want that, you can look
into that and watch this stuff twenty four to seven.
Speaker 8 (01:29:48):
Yeah, I think there must be money in it. There
must be because if you look at the kind of
trajectory of it. A decade ago, all the hosts were
kind of like paranormalos. They were kind of celebrities with
in the field. But then all of a sudden you
get the Jack the Jack Osborne's coming in. But now
you look and it's like every every one of these
shows has a real celebrity doing it, Like Lawrence Supern
(01:30:08):
has his own kind of spooky show, where William Channer
has one and he kind of has.
Speaker 5 (01:30:12):
Like Cause Shatner, the sarcer guy.
Speaker 8 (01:30:14):
It has like you opposing stuff in it too, but
it's always kind of go to the ghost angle and
stuff or celebrity my celebrity ghost story, and it's like
every episode is like four different celebrities telling their ghost story,
where a decade ago you might not have gotten that,
or like the Annabel Doll just got sold to that
comedian Matt Rife, who it's like that like TikTok comedian,
(01:30:34):
so like there and he's just I've never heard him
talk about the paranormal before. He's just like a he's
like the young heart throb comedian or whatever. But I
think it's just like it's an asset. I think, like
the way like Logan Paul buys Pokemon got stuff. I
think there's just money in buying these paranormal assets too,
in the same way, which is kind of an interesting
and so like in is there always kind of money
(01:30:56):
in the paranormal? Does does the paranormal kind of always sells?
It always kind of a hot commodity because if you like,
like spiritualism was a very popular recreation. It's like the
rich people obviously to be focused on that, like the
the elite did it. But I think it's just like
kind of always a little bit provocative to the I mean,
like which the ghost stories have always been popular, and
(01:31:18):
like I think it's just people are always fascinated in
the unknown and the mysterious and stuff, and it kind
of always sells. And I just mentioned the horror movies
kind of always work. The first blockbuster people credit Jaws,
but technically it's The Exorcist. This is the first one
that people lined up and they had a huge roll
up for it, and it kind of changed cinema when
ther when Marvel was in trouble in the comics, they
went to they turned to our and stuff. That's when
(01:31:39):
like all their their big horror they Marvel Cult to
Marvel with seventies and stuff. That's when they got into that.
Before the superhero boom, the main blockbusters were were we're
like par adjacent. Even the comics one like Blade or
like Underworld and Resident Evil and that type of stuff
like League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, and that's kind of has
the mc US kind of look like Lessening and it's
(01:32:03):
it's Psyche ice Hold. It's also doing the same thing
like a couple of years ago it had the where
We'll finite special. This year, this big thing is the
season's big thing is Marble, zombies and stuff that kind
of like when in doubt, whether it's Hollywood or entertainment
in general, stuff like spooky spooky always sells. So like
now kind of this perfect storm where people don't have
a lot of disposable income, but.
Speaker 5 (01:32:24):
They still want to do stuff and the like.
Speaker 8 (01:32:26):
So the media is just leaning into the spooky, the
experiential aspect leaning into the spooky, and I think people
just like spooky more so. I mentioned this before, but like,
like the superhero thing is, I don't think it's dying
per se, but it's it doesn't have its same hold
on on the collective. And a reason for that is
that gen Z considers superhero stuff to be like like
(01:32:48):
mid millennials trash a little bit. It's the it's their
parents or their older brothers thing, and they're into spooky stuff.
So the big example is like Stranger Things or Wednesday
or whatever. But you can see it on like Kinder
and stuff like see you know, it's on social media
that witchy is a personality trade or to being spooky.
Is it's just a thing that's it's I don't know,
(01:33:08):
people embrace it as part of the personality.
Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
It's just like it's an identity, is what it's identity.
Speaker 5 (01:33:14):
I think, yeah, good, I'm going I think no, no.
Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
You're right. And I think Stranger Things is a perfect
example of that. I was reading some stuff on it,
you know, no spoilers I don't know anything about it
other than it was incredibly expensive. They spent like was
it sixty million dollars an episode, sixty sixty million per
episode or something some absurd amount.
Speaker 6 (01:33:33):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
I'll see if I can pull it up and get
like correctly to the actual amount. But it's an absurd amount.
And so it's like eight episodes, I think, or seven
episodes something like that. That's sixty million to pop. So,
I mean we're we're talking like episode.
Speaker 8 (01:33:48):
I think it's like it's like it's like a focus
an over nine and a half per per episode.
Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
Okay, so it's like like a feature movie basically every
damn episode or saying yeah, it's so crazy, so crazy,
but but they so not only nostalgia. We've talked about
this a lot in the past as well on the show,
but in the sense of the paranormal directly, as Ricky
was saying too, you know we had in the eighties,
we had the Ghostbusters, as you said, you know, prior
to that in the seventies or late seventies or was
(01:34:12):
that the Exorcist?
Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
And so.
Speaker 3 (01:34:16):
It sticks. I think it sticks because it is trauma, right,
Like we've talked about We've talked about trauma a lot,
and it's so strange that we're like, we're so blessed
right that we seek trauma. It's such a strange thing.
But here we are welcome to twenty twenty five. It's nuts.
Speaker 8 (01:34:35):
Yeah, I mean with the Stranger Things, it's like can
talk about the monoculture, the water cooler stuff for everyone
watching the same thing.
Speaker 5 (01:34:42):
And like the real official end is like twenty nineteen.
Speaker 8 (01:34:45):
It's like the same week Avengers Endgame, Game of Thrones ended,
So that's really the end of it. But like the
last kind of one of the last things that everyone
kind of watches that everyone has to talk about your
stranger things. So people are upset about their rolloff for
Netflix's rollof for it because splitting it. They're trying to
dominate Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year's because they know, like
this is the one thing that everyone will watch, Like
(01:35:06):
Netflix is known for their binge model, they'll just drop
it all whatever, but they can't.
Speaker 5 (01:35:10):
It's too precious. This is the precious commodity that everyone.
Speaker 8 (01:35:13):
Like the gen X says, the nostalgia for it the eighties,
but then Millennials and Gen D is like the I
don't know, the spookiness of it, the strangeness of it,
I don't know, and just yeah, like I think that
people like to just feel stuff, and I think people
(01:35:33):
like to be able to have controlled trauma to an extent.
And I think that people say, like, the reason why
it feels good to be inside when it's raining out
is because somewhere deep ingrained in you is that you
know that, like you could be outside in the rain,
but just because you're inside, it's as a safe feeling
in your body, just like at least these endormers and stuff.
(01:35:54):
And I think it is a similar thing where if
you can control the scare, if you know, you're in
a controlled environment like a rollercoaster or horror movie, so
you can kind of get that same adrenaline, get those
same endorprins and stuff, but without the actual risk of.
Speaker 5 (01:36:05):
Death, then that's like an enticing thing.
Speaker 8 (01:36:09):
I don't really like roller coasters and I don't really
like horror movies, but scary stories I like to talk
about them.
Speaker 5 (01:36:14):
I like to talk about love Craft.
Speaker 8 (01:36:16):
I don't necessarily like to watch love Craft as much
because it's really gross.
Speaker 5 (01:36:20):
And gory and stuff. I don't really necessarily like.
Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
That pulling limbs out.
Speaker 5 (01:36:26):
Yeah, I like to read it, but I don't like
to see it per se.
Speaker 8 (01:36:31):
And the same way with like spicy food, like like
spice and heat is having like a huge moment. And
if somebody raised in New England and Boston back to
like super white Catholic parents who have very poor palettes,
like going to college was like a shock.
Speaker 5 (01:36:46):
We took a ton.
Speaker 8 (01:36:47):
It was a shock to me, like I couldn't handle
I couldn't handle the spice, Like I'm a I'm a
mild buffalo wing guy to my sugarn.
Speaker 4 (01:36:53):
You know.
Speaker 8 (01:36:54):
And I think the and I think like the world
just likes to have that. And to me, it's like
what do I want to have a food hurt me?
Like what do I want to be scared by a movie?
What I don't want to be like thirsty? It's like
what do I want to chase eat feeling? But I
think people do and like they want to be scared
and stuff quitting I go one more like esoteric point
(01:37:16):
to make put in with that.
Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
Yeah, yeah, it was regarding the hot sauce. I grew
up in California, and you know, a quarter of Mexican
and so like I've never had like the you know,
look I look, I'm as white as anybody, right, like
the white skid as I've been called. But but I mean,
like I said, if you see see the rest of
my family, they're all brown, like they're all you know,
like a like darker skin, brown hair, brown eyes. And
(01:37:37):
I'm like the soap bober Mexican or whatever. At no offense,
I'm I'm not trying to make fun here, but but
I grew up eating hot stuff. Like you know, they
joked that I was, you know, drinking a refried beans
out of a bottle when I was like, you know,
a year old or whatever with hot sauce. Yeah, so
like like hot stuff really doesn't bother me, you know,
like I can have up to the hottest stuff without
(01:37:59):
I mean, you know, sweat a little bit, my eyes
water a little bit, and I it doesn't bother me
too much. But uh, I don't know, it's such an
interesting cultural aspect that you're describing there. So to me,
it's like, yeah, you know, I mean, the hotter the better,
mostly until until it hurts, and I don't want to
I don't want to hurt. But is an interesting aspect
(01:38:19):
you're good.
Speaker 8 (01:38:20):
Yeah, no exactly, And I think that's like I try
to acquire taste for it, especially in college I was.
I felt embarrassed that I couldn't like my mom and
is somebody that like I can't even like if she
thinks that there's like black pepper on her food, like
salt and pepper, she won't eat because it's too spicy
in her mind, like some of these the people who
raised me.
Speaker 5 (01:38:38):
So I didn't.
Speaker 8 (01:38:39):
I didn't stand a chance, And like my sister is
the same way. My friend takes fun of me and
stuff didn't stay. I but like a chef, like a
professional chef will tell you tell you usually like spice
springs out the flavor, the heat, the heat like important,
like the heat is to it the most out of
the dishes to I used to have to have the
added impact that and stuff. So I think there's just
a I don't know, I think like I think to
(01:39:01):
be scared to be I don't know, I don't know
what that is, but I think there's an aspect to it.
People people want to feel, and they want to feel
on their own terms. Because we're constantly being we're at
the whims of feelings that we don't necessarily want. So
if you can control control the freight, control the trauma,
control the bad stuff, then it feels good to people,
I think. But James, you talking about a lot, how
(01:39:26):
like there's paranormal towards these spots that are known for
a certain type of ghost or whatever. Like a let's
say there's like a little boy ghost that has like
a baseball hat, and it's known as like this person
or whatever it's like, has a name assigned to it
and stuff, and there's a whole story and mythology around it.
And then come to find out you do a little
bit of research that person ever existed, or if it
(01:39:46):
did exist, they lived down the street and that wasn't
even their house, as a misunderstanding, But the mythology is
still built around this house, and people still see paranormal events,
I mean paranormal experiences and stuff. So I wonder if
there's a monetization of these paranormal tourism and stuff, people
are more incentivized to call different spots paranormal and stuff,
(01:40:08):
And I wonder if if that will cause more places
to become paranormal because kind of that we're putting that
on areas that might not necessarily even be paranormal, like
a point that some person's taking a paranormal spot in
their yard, Like I mean it catches on fifteen years
on the line which actually will be will become a
paranormal spot, Like could this? Could this cause more paranormal
(01:40:29):
activity that happen because people are chasing it? You know,
they could take it to you manifest How would do
you think?
Speaker 7 (01:40:35):
Yeah, And there's reports of people in in in like
poltergeist cases, other cases where they say that there was
paranormal activity in their home and then later on they admit, well, no,
I was faking that, but then real things started happening
to them and to the people that went there to
visit them and to see that the things that are happening.
(01:40:56):
So definitely, I think that's a that's another aspect of
as well. For sure.
Speaker 5 (01:41:01):
Yeah, it's interesting. I think just.
Speaker 8 (01:41:05):
The reason why I like this stuff is because it's
like it's fascinating. I'm into Like I think we're all
into stories and interesting stories and into comics. We're into
comics and stuff, and this I've always said that this
is like I treat it like comics.
Speaker 5 (01:41:19):
That could be true or like interesting.
Speaker 8 (01:41:21):
Stuff that that could be true, and there's like more
stakes to it, that added weight to it because it
could be It's like people believe it to be real.
It could be real and stuff we had my own experience.
But throughout the fact that, I don't know when I think,
when I think when the economy is good, bed and
breakfast are popular, people just want to go out and
do stuff. It's people don't want to stay home. People
(01:41:42):
want to go out and socialize and everything. And I
think when the economy is bad, people still want to
do that, but you need to need more incentives and stuff.
And I think right now oooky stuff is just popular period.
But then I think there's also the added part of
where we just like to be scared a little bit,
and it's just added an incentive of of you can
go to a bed and breakfast, but that there's a
there's a chance that you can see something mysterious, you
(01:42:04):
can see something that defies what you've been told in
your entire life. You can have some kind of you
put magic back into your life in the time where
maybe people might feel like the magic is taken out
of their life and they don't have two dollars to
up together that kind of stuff that I don't know,
it's it's we have an added juice all around us
that can spice up or an added seasoning all around
(01:42:27):
us that can spice up all our dishes in the
form of spookiness.
Speaker 5 (01:42:30):
Maybe that's maybe that's why it's like.
Speaker 8 (01:42:31):
A it's like the old spice trade and stuff and
during the during the explorer days, like the people were
primarily fighting over territories and fighting over trade and stuff
to go to that precious spice whatever. Maybe the current
breakfast spice is a the spooky, the spookiness.
Speaker 5 (01:42:47):
You know, we have a kind of a gold ruck
for for the weird.
Speaker 3 (01:42:54):
Yeah, yeah, right now you're getting for the loose or
whatever like it, like like like we're being onto it.
Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
It is.
Speaker 3 (01:43:01):
It is a weird thing. How the economy is, you
know what it is, and the AI stuff, and I
mean there's just so much information coming through. We talk
about doom scrolling all the time. However, this is sort
of like a you know, go go out into the
real world like a Pokemon version of doom scrolling instead,
and you're like, let's go, let's go to a haunted
house instead and see you know what was actually the
(01:43:22):
thing and hear the story and don't forget too that.
You know that the weird O'Brien Johnson guy on on X,
that's like the guy that's trying to live forever with
the blood boy, his son and all the weird stuff
he's doing. But he said one of the most important
things I've heard in recent memory that storytelling is the
most powerful technology. And so I think, as usual we're
(01:43:42):
drawn to that for a lot of very obvious reasons.
And uh yeah, that's that's a I think we're onto
something here.
Speaker 8 (01:43:48):
Go ahead and go any bit of Jeb and these
spots are have stories baked onto him that are interesting,
and it's like it's like history that could jump out
and touch you. It's like you can go to a
place where George Watson and stuff, but it's an extra
extra if you can see the ghost of Georg to Washington.
That's actually cool. And I think that's what might be
a symptom of the veil coming down. We have politicians
(01:44:08):
now they are talking about demons openly and everything. I
think that might be a symptom of you better stop
believing in ghost stories because you're in one now, Michael James, you.
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Welcome back to Troubled Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange.
We're streaming on YouTube, rumble x, Twitch DLive and kick
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As we discussed the paranormal. We started with this article
Paranormal Tourism a booming industry in twenty twenty five. Now
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you do not have to be a believer in anything
paranormal to have this conversation, which is literally what Troubled
Minds has always been about, looking at the world in
different ways, recognizing the gamut of the conversation goes from
one spectrum to the other. But it doesn't matter because
in this case, the zeitgeist is really surging with paranormal ideas,
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with again year over year growth, like I was saying,
which is not typical in many industries today. You know,
we have some stagnation, We've got some shrinkage in particular areas.
It's it's it's not the best, you know, a changing
time with AI. We are in a transitionary period. But
it is interesting that that this space is growing anyway,
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So what does it mean, What does it mean about
the human psyche, what does it mean about the zeitgeist itself?
And what does it mean about human ideas? That's what's
on my mind tonight, and how do we answer this question.
Love to hear your thoughts on this. Seven oh two
nine five seven one zero three seven hang type Massol
just a moment, anything on that, James, and then we'll
go to Temple of the L Matthew in California.
Speaker 7 (01:46:45):
Yeah, great, Calf and Derek. I did want to point out,
and I mentioned in the chat that some bet in
Breakfast now some bnbs and hotels, they will actually have
equipment for paranormal investigations, or even some larger places, we'll
have one or more resident sort of people that are
there that are paranormal investigators on site to record the
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experiences and talk about them and give tours and things.
And then the bed and Breakfast, like I said, they
will have the equipment that you hear about and you
see in the TV shows on site for their guests
to use while they're staying overnight at the bed and
breakfast to see if they can find anything. Now, that's funny,
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and I'm not even joking with that. I've heard of
this before, so that's all cases.
Speaker 3 (01:47:33):
That's funny. And the only reason I'm not shocked, you
know that, is because you're the paranormal expert of Trouble Month.
It's amazing, it's amazing, and this is the type of
thing that's happening right. As Derek said, I think it's
a sort of spice on the experience. And that was
a great analogy and way to put that is because
you know, you can go see like a historical place,
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for instance, go to you know, downtown London, and you know,
maybe sort of experience the Jack the Ripper experience. But
what if you also saw something right, you also saw
something that was like OMG, what was that?
Speaker 7 (01:48:09):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
And so suddenly it turns like an experience, a visit
to a particular historical place, into something that sticks. It's glue.
It's the glue to the psyche of the human mind.
And yeah, as usual too, by the way, the shamanic journey,
we're always chasing it, we're always trying to find it,
and it manifests in so many different ways. And that's
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exactly what trouble Minds is all about, not specifically that,
but periphery that.
Speaker 14 (01:48:37):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
I love to hear your thought seven oh two ninety
one zero three seven click the discord like a trouble
minds Kelly. I see you on the line. Hang tight,
and you're probably not gonna be able to hear the discord,
so listen on the I'll fix that. I'm sorry, I haven't.
We're not going to talk to Kelly right now. We'll
talk to him momentary. We're going to talk to Matthew
in California. Tumble of the out Matt saw whatso, brother,
your own trouble mind? Thanks for being patient. How are you?
Serga red ahead?
Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
Hey, my good show, guess, Thank.
Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
You very much, appreciate you. What's on your mind?
Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
Yeah, well I actually called. You know, I'm into going
to these haunted locations and going to these even the attractions.
I like to be scared and I like that that
that high of being scared. So I like to go
these places. So you guys kind of know where I've been.
I've been to some of the haunted locations here in California.
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But if you guys have any questions, you can ask
me to say up. But I actually called. I have
a take and a story. But my take on something
that James said, I think he's on fire. I think,
you know, he said, there's people out there that I've
never had a paranormal experience, but they had a friend
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or someone they know that had one, and they're kind
of searching for it. They're kind of looking for it.
So they're looking for it wherever it is. And then
there's people out there like me, for example, that I
had a paranormal experience as a kid, and ever since then,
I've been questioning it. I've been wondering about it, and
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I kind of like push the boundaries. I'm trying to
I'm trying to push it to find it, to have
another experience, to document it, to experience it again. It's
almost like I don't want to say chasing a high,
but it's like chasing that experience again so that I
can confirm it for myself. And so there's you know,
(01:50:30):
people out there that want these kinds of things, and
that fear kind of pushes it pushes the boundaries and
things of different places that you can go or attractions
that you can get scared. I think that's what's going
on in society today.
Speaker 3 (01:50:44):
Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean chasing the high is
kind of a you know, a negative connotation. I think
it's more like a validation of the experience you had. Right,
You're like, Okay, so that happened once. So it's clearly
a thing in the human paradigm. So what does it
look like now? Like, has it changed for me? Has
it changed for the world? Like what's the relationship between
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me and the energy around me? You know, I've changed,
so has it as well? It's a I think it's
a very complicated thing with a ton of parameters that
are mostly immeasurable. But that's that becomes the basis of
this and why again, chasing mystery in that regard is
really kind of like that, Uh, let takeal to the brain, right. Look,
(01:51:27):
it's what brings me back to do this show over
and over and over again because there's so many sort
of just angles and things that people don't talk about,
and I'm like, hey, hey, hey, listen to us, Like
what is going on here? There's a ton of stuff,
and it's pervasive throughout society. If you if you're watching
for the symbolism and all the things like we talk
about the thirteenth floor and elevators, it doesn't exist. It's not.
(01:51:51):
They peeled it out because it's bad luck. So what
the hell does that mean? Right? I mean, really, we
live in a superstitious society that's expecting why the bad
things that happen on the thirteenth floor, I mean, and
this is this is why this type of stuff is like, okay,
so this is this is baked into us. We know
about these things, we consider these things, and many of
(01:52:12):
us have seen some things that make us wonder about
the larger context of the of this. And that's why
we're here. Brother, you're a as you know, as you know,
you're definitely in the right spot. What else you gotta
go ahead?
Speaker 1 (01:52:23):
Uh yeah, my story I tell the story about uh,
you know, do you have these hunted tours you can
go on? And one of the best stories I have
is one of the ones I went on in twenty
twenty I was living I was living in Portland and
instead of there's thing about when I lived there, every
(01:52:45):
you know, every weekend, we would go out. We go exploring,
looking for you know, looking for something to do, and
there's never any parking spots or there's all kinds of
weird things or pay for parking. There's no parking. So
I drive around and one day I found this parking spot,
this parking lot, a lot and completely empty parking lot,
(01:53:08):
no one around. It was free to park, Okay, So
I parked there and we went around exploring, and we explored,
and every time we went out for the weekend, we
would go out and we couldn't find a parking spot.
We'd always end up at this same parking spot to
walk around and go downtown. And in that year when
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me and my wife, it was for our anniversary we had,
we went on a Haunted tour of Portland Organ. And
so it was me and my wife and the tour guide.
We went on the tour and I went to that
same parking lot, the empty parking lot, and I parked
and walked to meet the tour guide and we went
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on this tour, you know, it's tour Haunted Portland. Organ
got to learn all the stories, the history about you know,
the underground tunnels and hotels, the you know, all the
crazy things that happened there, and hear the stories. And
it was a great tour, you know, lots of history,
(01:54:12):
you know, it's an old town and lots of things
that happened there. Great great tour. And so we go
around and we come we walk around and we come
back to where my car is parked at the parking
lot and I think, oh, you know, it's over, it's done.
And the tour guy I go think her, thank you,
thank you. You know, this is a great tour. Thank you,
(01:54:33):
thank you. Here's our car and she goes and this
staid the best for lasts. This is the most haunted
location in Portland, Oregon. Where at this parking lot, there
was a hotel during prohibition and we caught fire prohibition.
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You know, the bar is downstairs, so it caught a fire.
A lot of people died in the fire and ended
up being this this parking lot. People wouldn't go to
this parking lot because they would see apparitions. They would
see even skin walkers there, and there was you know,
the people that went to this parking lot would have experiences.
(01:55:19):
And I thought it's silly, right, Like that's why I
would always go.
Speaker 3 (01:55:22):
I was going to go back to and that and that,
and that was your spot. That's that's the spot that
nobody parked.
Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
Yeah, the spot that nobody else parked there they knew
and you didn't know.
Speaker 3 (01:55:34):
Or whatever. The energy. That's funny. But but maybe again
I talked about the armor of God, maybe maybe you
had some you know, some some actual uh uh protection
against it, you know, maybe because of your background, maybe
because of your mind space, you know, so you didn't
feel it, you didn't notice you didn't recognize it, but
it is fascinating that that that comes full circle in
(01:55:55):
that space. Well, now we know why the parking lot's empty.
My goodness, I know.
Speaker 1 (01:56:05):
Yes, it is good to talk about this stuff and
learn about this stuff. Anything, any questions you guys have
from me, all that anybody else go. That was the
only story I wanted to tell. But if you guys
have any questions from me or drop in the chat,
try to answer. But all that somebody else go behind
me at this time.
Speaker 7 (01:56:24):
Anything for Matso James, Yeah, that's amazing, that's all. You
know what I'm thinking too. I one ever goes back
to that idea where you didn't have any experience there
because you weren't aware of their being experiences that were
had there. In other words, you know there there may
have been and there may have been energy there, but
(01:56:45):
because again like there was talking about and like like
I've talked about before, because you were not told about
this beforehand, there was no there was no suggestion at
all in your mind, even fabric Kate, possibly not you,
but just to be wondering or computers about what's happening there,
(01:57:06):
or there was also no energy or whatever it may
have been there to pick up on to maybe then
manifest because you weren't aware of it.
Speaker 1 (01:57:19):
Yeah. Man, that's one of my favorite tour stories. You know,
I've I've been to a lot of different tours hunting locations,
and I also like the hunted attractions.
Speaker 14 (01:57:31):
I do like that.
Speaker 1 (01:57:32):
I like that being scared, you know, so I think
there is a thing that the energy of it. And
talking about some of the places, not actual haunted locations,
but like the haunted attractions, like you know, places they
try to get you to go to and pay money
to go to. And how some places here they have
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to have like a paramedic staff. They has to have
paramedics on staff because people do get sick or have
heart problems in these locations. Pretty crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:58:06):
Yeah, who said that earlier? That somebody that was a
Robert Right that said that somebody got pulled out of
a haunted house, had a heart attack and it ended
up passing away. Yeah. I mean, look, these places, like
whether you believe this stuff or not, these places are charged.
They're charged with, as I keep saying, human resonant energy.
And so what does that mean, what does that look like?
And how does it affect people? And sometimes look if
(01:58:27):
your materialist cool, then it's in your mind. But still
that resonant energy and the stories. Again, the most powerful
technology is storytelling. Shut out Brian Johnson, the weirdo on
Twitter x. But that's the point, right is these stories
live in our head, rent free and even terrify as
to the point of right to demise. And so it's
(01:58:47):
an interesting space. The whole thing is wild and incredible
and that's why again it brings me back every night
because I think there's so much more here that needs
to be talked about. What else you got by men?
Speaker 1 (01:58:58):
Yeah, I just like to say I like it. I
can see how other people like it, and how the tourism,
how and some of these things. And let's go on
this real quick. Let's talk about Matt Rife and how
he bought the Warren's house and seems like Zach Began's
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haunted museum. You know, I've been there. What I was
thinking is like, so these people they don't own the objects,
they house them, and people like the Warrens, you know,
they were taking these haunted objects off the streets pretty much.
They weren't collecting them because they wanted to, they were
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taking them, taking them away from people so they don't
cause harm to other people. And they built these museums.
You have the zach Begans Haunted Museum in Las Vegas,
and you have the Warrens Haunted Museum that Matt Rife bought.
And I think about, know who's who's like how responsible
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for that? Like when they passed away, like the warrants
passed away? How is who's next in line? There should
be some sort of hierarchy to like house those objects
that know that work there. I think about things like
go ahead.
Speaker 3 (02:00:20):
Like pass it on to the next wizard? Is all
I wanted to say.
Speaker 1 (02:00:24):
Well, I think about things like like zach Began's you
know he's he doesn't he doesn't have any kids, he's
getting older, you know, in a couple of years, and
you know how many years he passed away.
Speaker 2 (02:00:38):
Who who does that go to?
Speaker 1 (02:00:41):
Is it up for grabs the highest bidder?
Speaker 5 (02:00:44):
You know?
Speaker 1 (02:00:44):
How does how did? How do they hierarchy that?
Speaker 5 (02:00:48):
What? I know?
Speaker 3 (02:00:49):
Who it goes to? It goes to Peter's deal, so
we could do another talk on the anti Christ and
have all the props live while he's doing That's that's
what it goes. It goes to a billionaire, right, a
billionaire collector. I mean, and you've got a good point.
You make a good point. Is that imagine collecting all
these you know quote haunted artifacts. Again, if you believe
it or not, the stories resonate, and if it just
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goes to the highest bidder of how responsible are they
as shepherds of these stories. It's a fascinating thing to
think about.
Speaker 1 (02:01:20):
Yeah, I believe that place was haunted before he bought
the artifacts there. It's the same thing as I was
talking earlier about the Winchester Mystery House and that you know,
that's obviously haunted, but they have a haunted attraction like
attraction like pay money and go through the haunted house
(02:01:42):
at the Winchester Mystery House. But so it's a haunted
attraction inside a haunted house. Does that does that add
to the you know, does that make it worse? Is
that adding to the already hauntings there? Like we're adding
that to it? You follow me?
Speaker 3 (02:02:01):
Yeah, And I don't know. I don't know the answer,
but I do follow your your your line of logic there,
because who really knows. Like I said, so strip the
paranormal away from it entirely and then say the story
is what resonates, So who is the shepherd of the
story and how does it affect humanity going forward? It
is this whole thing is again massively ambiguous, and that's why,
(02:02:24):
like I said, it's so fascinating to look at these
from different angles because regarding you know, experiencers aside, you know,
his historical ghost stories or whatever, it's not all that stuff.
Throw it out and there's still a ton a ton
of meat on the bone to kind of dissect and discuss.
Which is the most fascinating part about this. That's why
I love being here and I love talking to you guys.
Speaker 1 (02:02:47):
Yeah, and then one last one I was I thought
about was you know Matt Rife when he bought that
annabout the Conjuring House, and he's they're doing sale, they're
doing paranormal investigations there, and it's like, you know, you
guys want what's going on? You always want to I
(02:03:09):
don't know, it feels like doing paranormal investigations in a
place that's already haunted. It's like you're adding to it
and we're not really helping anything. We're just making more
energy energy for the feet off of I don't know,
there's a lot of stuff going on in this story.
(02:03:30):
So I'm all over the place.
Speaker 3 (02:03:32):
That's okay. If you've ever listened to me, you know
I'm all over the place. And that's the point, so
that the different ideas converge and in the space. That's
why we host the space. And you're the best. Appreciate you.
What else you got, if you got anything else we got,
we got about five minutes left. If you can finish
it up to go ahead. If not, I got Kelly
on the line. I want to start with him and
then have him go after the break. He's been waiting
a minute too.
Speaker 1 (02:03:52):
I'm sorry. I do have one more thing that I
want to stay here. And it talks about we're talking
about hand houses, hon locations. This is news to me.
I didn't know if you guys knew about this. Have
you guys ever heard the hont location of Bobby Mackie's
Music World?
Speaker 3 (02:04:13):
Not me, James, I have, yeah, of course, James.
Speaker 1 (02:04:19):
A couple of months ago, Bobby Mackie's Music World was
torn down, and uh, and they're rebuilt. They're going to
rebuild it, but it was torn down.
Speaker 5 (02:04:29):
So uh.
Speaker 1 (02:04:32):
A whole nother Trouble Minds episode there's talk about kinds
of things, things that happened, just some some news for
you guys.
Speaker 3 (02:04:41):
They tear down and build is like a like a
twelve foot tall plastic skeleton, but the real haunting versus
the fake haunting. Here we are welcome to twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (02:04:50):
You're the best, Matt You Where did the where do
you thre those big skeletons?
Speaker 3 (02:04:56):
I don't know, I don't I guess you gotta lay
him down and put him in the garage or something.
I have no idea. I don't have one. I have
a great mattsoll you know me. Love him. Temple of
the al as the name of the podcast, and please
give him a follow troubleminds dot orgport size friends, it
says mattsou scroll down and affectionately we call him Mattsu.
It's Matthew in California. But also, by the way, Temple
(02:05:20):
of thel dot com. Very simple, go go check that out.
He's got an amazing podcast and always doing wild stuff.
And I appreciate you very much. Thanks for the call.
Seven or two nine five seven one zero three steffn
I Hank type James, We're gonne it back to you. Sorry, Kelly,
you waited a minute, you're on the thing. You got
about four and a half minutes, and then we'll go
after the break as well. If you got more. Welcome
to the joint. Thanks for being patient. How are you
siggered right head?
Speaker 2 (02:05:40):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 3 (02:05:41):
Well, I'm clear you song?
Speaker 6 (02:05:42):
Great?
Speaker 2 (02:05:45):
That was no problem. I didn't mind waiting anyway. I'd
like to hear some of that's stories.
Speaker 3 (02:05:49):
He's got right on, right on. Appreciate that. Go ahead
about three minutes and then we'll hold you after what
you got.
Speaker 16 (02:05:56):
I want to add some things to it, like for
Halloween anyway, you know what I mean. For let's just
go with that real quick.
Speaker 5 (02:06:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 16 (02:06:04):
For me, it's like the whole thing is almost it's
kind of sad in a way, how they turned everything
around with it and you know, made it like more
of a macabre holiday and stuff like that, because it's
more of a it's a day of remembrance for the dead, right,
and that's originally what it's for. But you know, and
(02:06:25):
a lot of cultures do with different things, you know.
But it's like the end of the end of the
Harvest is October thirty first, and then I remember first
to some places they call it All Saints' Day, but
like in Mexico, you know de la Mortes, right, so
they you know, celebrate their they're they're passing on some
family members. But you have like some it's not exactly
(02:06:46):
in October, but it's you know, in the same timeframe
as I kind of posted that on on discord, but
it's it's around August. You know this in Indonesia, it's
Monday May, right, and they bring out their dead and
they dress them up, redress them in new clothes. It
doesn't happen every year. It happens every three to five years.
But they pull their bodies out, they redress them. I
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mean the bodies are all rotted. You can see them.
Speaker 5 (02:07:10):
You know.
Speaker 16 (02:07:10):
They're all family members, doesn't matter babies or old people,
everybody that had passed away. You know, they bring they
pull them out and they you know, it's a celebration.
It's really to them, it's an honor, you know that
they get to do that. So you know, it happens
this It does happen around the same time as like
you know the harvest, right, you know, the end of
the year everything like that. You know, it's just I
(02:07:32):
think it's more of a celebration. I think, you know,
with you were here that type stuff. But you know
later in the years, you know, later on in the
years too out. You know, that's where you get what
we call this this crazy Halloween that you know, more macob,
more kind of scary it. And it's like Matt was saying,
some people like, you know, they learn they have that
you know, sort of feeling of you know, getting scared.
(02:07:53):
You know, the little adrenaline rush that people get.
Speaker 5 (02:07:57):
You know, some people like that.
Speaker 3 (02:07:59):
Yeah, hell yeah, I mean you like it as long
as like the you know, the knife is fake and
it doesn't you know, like it's good dude to do
a real knife damage like that. That's the type of
stuff that we're talking about here, and we're drawn to it.
It is again human energy. And even if as you're
describing and you're you're you're spot on by the way,
it's it's a like like this time of year, this
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liminal space is about honoring the human cycles. It's about
again remembering where we came from and then you know,
being cautious about where we're heading. That's the whole point.
If we don't do it properly. Then you know, we
end up with twelve foot tall skeletons in our yard.
And sorry, if you're have one in your yard, I'm
not making fun. I'm just saying I wish I had
one too. That we're out of time, Kelly, hang get
(02:08:42):
right back to in a second. But sure, appreciate you
being patient. More with Kelly coming up, and more with
James as well, and thanks for bearing with the technology.
It is completely my fault that I screwed that up
because I keep meaning to fix it. I just again,
I work at day job and I have so many
things going on. So more from Kelly, and call about
from James and your calls as well. We're talking the
(02:09:02):
Halloween Singularity, the paranormal hyperreality, Why where when? How come
seven two one' zero three seven? Don't call the phone
line because it's broken. Get us on Discord Beer right back.
More Trouble Minds on the way, don't go anywhere. Welcome
(02:09:36):
back to Trouble Vinds, YadA YadA, all the places, all
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hang out with us and talk about why will ideas.
By dark of night tonight, we're talking I'm calling this
the Halloween singularity, the paranormal hyperreality. What the hell does
that mean? I don't know. You tell me. Is it
possible that Halloween is actually sort of flexing and becoming
(02:09:57):
not just sort of the liminal space of the fourth
quarter or the space moving into it, but maybe it's
a larger aspect of everything. Maybe it's encapsulating all of
the things that we're always dealing with. And I'll play
this before we end, but I've got that Terrence mckennic
quote where he says, thanks are gonna get weirder and
weirder and weirder until pretty soon we have to start
(02:10:17):
talking about it. And we've been so far ahead of
that game on Troubled Minds because we recognized it early on.
But things are getting weirder and weirder and weirder. Welcome
to it. What do you know about the Halloween Singularity?
Hang tight, James, back to Kelly. Thanks for being patient,
my man. We were talking about the hauntings, we were
talking about all kinds of things. So welcome back to
(02:10:38):
the thing. Kelly in Colorado on mute and you're on
Troubled mind Thanks for being patient, my man.
Speaker 2 (02:10:43):
Thanks for allowing me to show up.
Speaker 16 (02:10:45):
Heure, Man, I forgot to tell you everybody's I like,
everybody's thought on tonight's subject.
Speaker 2 (02:10:52):
So I forgot to say that everybody earlier.
Speaker 16 (02:10:56):
Waiting for me been listening, but I just been type
of anything that we're really much in discord. But yeah, man,
touch base on some of that. What I kind of
have some theories on, like the paranormal and stuff like that.
We talked about this sometimes, you know, back throughout the
years around the same time of the hallow Eve or
(02:11:18):
the you know, around the same time. So I kind
of think, like, you know, you have different stories of people,
like you know, they have paranormal have paranormal events that
happened within their life.
Speaker 6 (02:11:34):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:11:34):
I've had, you know myself too.
Speaker 16 (02:11:36):
I've seen some weird stuff talked about this season about
in different shows. But my thing is I kind of
look at it and the more I look at it,
you know, and I keep coming back, you know, not
all the time, but you know, I'm always in different
rabbit holes all the time anyway, but you know, it's
always it's always there, you know. The whole thing about
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the human spirit or whatever you want I want to
call it, you know, your life cycle, your energy, you know,
because you know you can't really there's no producing energy,
energy and energy.
Speaker 2 (02:12:07):
What it is is out there and I know it
can just transform.
Speaker 16 (02:12:10):
But if you're looking at it that way with death
right and for me, like you know, people say that
there's a lot of you know that there's places that
are haunted, right, Well, if that's the case, you know,
sometimes I think maybe it's haunted.
Speaker 2 (02:12:26):
Sometimes in some places it is because maybe.
Speaker 16 (02:12:32):
What we call a soul whatever got either trapped in
that area and that what happened to them in that
specific time frame, or something violent, you know what I mean,
where they get some somehow attached somehow to that area
or because I mean, if you really look at it right,
you go back through time, I mean you have you
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would have massive land areas that's I mean, everything would
be you know, one big you know, a place where
everybody would see ghosts, you know, I mean, everything would
be haunted, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:13:05):
So it's to look at it, and you know, you
got to look at it.
Speaker 16 (02:13:09):
I look, I'm trying to look at it in a
different perspective as like maybe they're somehow they're trapped.
Speaker 2 (02:13:14):
Right in graveyards.
Speaker 16 (02:13:17):
Well, you know, I follow some of these guys that
have like those little machines that they have, right, and
they walk around and they pick up voices you know
that supposed to be people that are you know, that
are dead there. What if that these graveyards are keeping
these people there, You're not everybody.
Speaker 2 (02:13:33):
Goes to the light, you know what I mean.
Speaker 16 (02:13:35):
So it's not that they're going to be you know,
reincarnated or you know, recycled back to this planet here.
But maybe they're just stuck here, you know, somehow, you know,
attached to their body, you know, through DNA, I mean,
because we know that DNA holds a lot of information
and all we are is like an electrical vibrating light being,
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you know, energy frequency, right, And so if you're thinking,
is that somehow they're being stuck here like you know,
they always talk about this this uh you talk you know,
if you hear anybody do is a out of body experience.
They say that they're connected to like a silver cord
or something maybe that didn't sever when they died and
they're still stuck there. So these these graveyard mass graveyard areas,
(02:14:19):
burial places. Maybe they're the reason why they're there is
that you know, it's almost like a battery pack if
you really think about it, you know, all their energy
is just packed up in those places like that.
Speaker 2 (02:14:31):
Yeah, and that could that could affect a lot of
different things.
Speaker 3 (02:14:34):
Go ahead, Yeah, just real quick. And the trauma aspect
of those battlefields and all the rest of it. I mean, uh,
one of the most powerful, uh aspects of humanity is
that fear, Like that fear mechanism of what happens when
we die. And you know, if you're I don't know,
like to get morbid for a second. You know, if
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the cow is standing on the conveyor belt that goes
through and gets you know, killed in the slaughterhouse, like
you say, your buddies getting wrecked before you. You know,
like that that fear is real, that real, like real, real, real,
And so imagine you know, bullets flying around your head
and stuff like that. Maybe you don't have to, I mean,
I know you're in the service, so I don't want
to sort of invoke that and make you explain or
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anything or tell us any details. I'm just saying that
like that fear in and of itself is one of
the most powerful human emotions. We can have and so
locked into those battlefields, those spaces of people dying and
people fighting and fighting for their lives and fighting for
ideologies and fighting for freedom or whatever it is is.
It's an interesting thing. And you know that human resonant
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energy is a term I always use. I think it
certainly plays.
Speaker 16 (02:15:41):
Yeah, I mean you really think about it sometimes, and
you know that's how I kind of just pondered looking
at and stuff like that, you know, I mean, it's
just a different theory, you know what I mean, just
because you know, again, if you say that the place
is haunted, it's either that or you know this there
is an area of this you know that people will find,
you know what I mean, could be in the forest
(02:16:02):
or anywhere else, you know, hidden places that where you
know people were doing rights, you know what I mean,
where they were doing some magic or some kind of
spells or using something you know, the the uh elementals
around the area, you know what I mean, where you
know that those that type of energy still being used,
their trapped there as well.
Speaker 2 (02:16:22):
But like as for saying that, it's I.
Speaker 16 (02:16:24):
Mean because okay, another thing I want to bring up
is like, okay, so you know I have seen some
apparitions or whatever you want to call them, right energy, Like,
I guess something, but I've seen something, right.
Speaker 2 (02:16:40):
It was a little girl and this old man two
different times, but I kind of look at it. Okay.
So if that's the case, you know, people see things.
Speaker 16 (02:16:49):
But when you start getting things into like people say
they get in touched by these things or physically harmed
by these something like that, that's I believe that's something different.
I believe that's something then that's like you know, Talk
even talked about in the UFO fields. You know that
these things are like you know, transdimensional or or you know,
from a different dimension or vibration like Talk would say
(02:17:12):
that those things are you know, because they that's where
you get with like the shadow people or the shadow
beings where they can you know transform, they're like shape
shifting things, you know, where they can move across and
they're just you.
Speaker 2 (02:17:24):
Know kind of like the you know, the on was
that movie where they like, oh man, I don't want
to go into movies right now, but.
Speaker 16 (02:17:36):
Where they're just where they're just you know, where he's
running and he looks like the you know, the background,
you know what I mean. But if it's something like that,
you know, I mean, because you even talk about like
what's interesting is where you know. I'll give you one story,
what's very a very weird story is that there's a
papyrus that's found in like over in England.
Speaker 2 (02:17:59):
Right, it's in a museum I think is owned by.
Speaker 16 (02:18:03):
Rockefellers or one of the families, right, but it's a
pirate pyrus that's owned by them, and it talks about
how this guy named Yashua, right aka Jesus. But they
were saying the whole reason for the kiss, right, you know,
everybody talks about the kiss in biblical terms. They say
the reason for the kiss is not only to you know,
(02:18:24):
target him, is because he was a shape shifter. He
could be his original Like the skin he stands in
is black, and they say it's not like black person.
They're saying, it's like black like night. But he's also
a shape shifter. He could be an old man, a
little girl, a young boy. He could even shape different colors,
(02:18:45):
you know, of different people. He can even be plaid
if he was running next to like cloth or whatnot.
You know, you have to hear stories about something like that,
you know, and that's the whole reason for the kiss,
not just to identify and yeah, what would be the
whole reason? You know, like what in the crowd, there's
a whole reason for that. And it's a papyrus that
sits in the museum over there. I mean, it's pretty
(02:19:08):
interesting you see that. I've seen it like on a
I think on a post on ancient it's called Ancient
Mysteries or something like that.
Speaker 2 (02:19:16):
But so I had to deal down in that rabbit
hole and check that one out too.
Speaker 16 (02:19:21):
Which is pretty interesting is if you if you look
at in that perspective, right, so, what are these things
that are we talking about?
Speaker 14 (02:19:28):
Are they?
Speaker 16 (02:19:29):
You know, some people would say demons from you know,
or like you even it's not only biblical, but you
even look at like ancient writings where they talk about
a lot of these things that are you know, I'm
pretty sure people are just going by the stories that
have been passed down to generations, you know, but they
don't believe any of the other stuff. I mean, in
(02:19:50):
some cultures they still do because they deal with these
things that we think that you know, that go bump
in the night, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:19:57):
I mean in some of these jungles different on earth.
Speaker 3 (02:20:00):
They still hold that absolutely real quick so let me
let me read. It's like five lines, it's super short.
But shut out Terry over there on Rumble, which fits
exactly with what you're saying. He said this a ways up,
and I thank you too, Khorda for repinting it on Rumble.
But he said this sadly. I think one of the
reasons that the paranormal and shock horror are becoming increasingly
popular is because the Satanic elite want it just that way.
(02:20:24):
It's guiding people towards their yes. And so I mean,
maybe like we're being manipulated so many ways that quantifying
all the ways we're being manipulated is the biggest sigh
op of all time. And I know I keep saying
using that vernacular, but we're stuck in it and all
the rest of that. But back to you, So you
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brought that up, and I wanted to read that comment.
But you, I mean demons, right, Maybe maybe not as usual. Look,
I don't know, I don't know how to define these things,
but I do know that we're being influenced by a
bunch of things that aren't the best for us. I
think I can certainly stand by that.
Speaker 16 (02:21:01):
Yeah, I mean to actually add to that, right, it's
kind of weird because like if you really think about it, right,
like like I was saying, like graveyards, you know, they're
like a power a power packet, you know what I mean,
It's a soul's trapped pure energy, right, it's just trapped
there somehow. That's why they're you know, the people walk
around with these rogue these little radios and they can
(02:21:22):
hear all these people. And it actually was another one
some guy was saying that he was going in there
and it was it picks up binary code and that's
how they were like communicating through like binary code.
Speaker 5 (02:21:32):
It was weird.
Speaker 2 (02:21:33):
I see that one too.
Speaker 16 (02:21:34):
That was but to add what he was saying, it's
kind of weird because it's you know, not to go
off track, but like it's it's it's not it's true
because you know Jeffrey ep thing, right, and you go
into like you know what's going on and the people
who here he was working for, which you.
Speaker 2 (02:21:50):
Know, the guy with the little hats.
Speaker 16 (02:21:52):
But it's and not to go like I'm not being
all right so that way, right, But what it's interesting
is the found like a lot of the stuff they
were finding in him when he was like supposedly a
teacher or whatever. Right, There's they had a lot of
they have a lot of how would you how would
they put it? They had like the stuff they were
(02:22:13):
finding was like they were using high mathematics, right, a
lot of stuff that was like that. A lot of
mathematicians kind of say that, you know, like some of
the weird shapes, right that they don't believe that they're
you know, part of the equation of what's you know,
our life, like our physical realm, right, but it's it's
(02:22:35):
something else. So but they were messing or well around
with all that stuff, you know what I mean, they're
like using they know that all how to use that
trap that energy, use that energy, the fear, all that
stuff like that. Now, and if you that's how I
see with like people, they're pushing people towards cities. And
if you look around towns and cities, small towns, rural towns,
(02:22:57):
now that everything they're throwing up it's not homes anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:22:59):
And if it is homes, it's industrial homes.
Speaker 16 (02:23:01):
They're like all packed together, they have no backyard, or
it's straight up apartment buildings, right, And it's the same
thing they're using. It's like everybody's a big battery pack
and if they get everybody on a fear and all
that energy is being used, it's being trapped somewhere right
and you gotta it just makes sense.
Speaker 2 (02:23:22):
Everybody's got that vibration and if you're going, you know
they want you to.
Speaker 16 (02:23:25):
It's like, you know, all these horror movies that are
people that are into now, they're just kind of making
a mainstream now. But you know you're releasing because I remember,
like when I was a kid and seeing like the
extresses and the fear that I was. You know that
that movie came out like when you when I was
because I was a young kid when that came out.
Same but the fear that was pushed out out of me.
(02:23:48):
I mean you could almost feel like that energy leading
you is how scared that.
Speaker 2 (02:23:53):
You know that you could get you know what I mean?
Just something like that, you know, and that's what you know.
I'm not going through conspira theory.
Speaker 16 (02:24:00):
You can go to all kinds of conspiracy dear with
that too, but I don't think it's conspiracy theory, man.
Speaker 2 (02:24:06):
I think it's just a theory that it's like like
anything else.
Speaker 16 (02:24:09):
I mean, we, like I said, we are all energy,
vibrating frequency light beings, you know, and if we're giving
that out and you're trapping everybody in a city, that's
where they're pushing everybody at, and that's where they're even
can tell you that the world overpopulated, in which it
isn't because I've been around the world. Believe me, there's
plenty of spaith for everybody around here. Anyway, Not to
(02:24:31):
get off track with that, but again, man, yeah, like
I don't know, I just feel like, again, we're that
energy and somehow this you know, those people may be
trapped or didn't turn to the light like they're you know,
they like they want you to, and they order that's
something that is so profound in their life that they
wanted to stick around.
Speaker 2 (02:24:51):
You know, you don't we really don't know about the
other side.
Speaker 4 (02:24:54):
You know.
Speaker 16 (02:24:54):
People can give their opinions and their theories and stuff
on it, but until we really you know what I mean,
I don't know how else you would track that. I mean,
I'm pretty sure science has been trying to do that
with the mind forever now.
Speaker 3 (02:25:05):
But it's basically the entire point of science is to
find out what's beyond as I mean, I say that
kind of flippantly, but it's also very true. Like I could.
Don't make me write a whole thing about it, because
I will. I think it's very obvious. It's one of
the most basic human tenants of who we are, where
we came from, and where we go and we're done,
(02:25:27):
and uh yeah, certainly it's it's it's one of the
biggest mystery science has been chasing forever, for as long
as science has been a thing. I think that's absolutely true.
Speaker 1 (02:25:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (02:25:37):
Man, Well that's all I got for tonight. I just
want to add some stuff with the I mean good
calls with everybody, and uh soon we'll have the holiday man.
You know, it's the closer we get. It's a good
chiw tonight. Make you guys have a good evening.
Speaker 3 (02:25:51):
Appreciate the call. Tell Michelle we said hi, you guys,
be blessed and we'll talk to you soon. Appreciate the call.
Speaker 2 (02:25:57):
All right, man, A good one.
Speaker 3 (02:25:58):
Take care of you two. That's Kellen called out. You
known me love him? Look like I said, shut out
Joe and Florida. The second guy to ever call and
call back, the first guy to ever call and call
back was Kelly. He's literally been a good friend for
a very long time, years and years and years, just
considering all these wild ideas sharing the space of our
minds together, right, wrong or indifferent, and recognize how we
(02:26:19):
talk to each other. There's, you know, sometimes there's truth,
sometimes there's not. There's there's a ton of ambiguity, and
that's what a good conversation really takes place. Appreciate your brother,
fire fire, fire stuff. Where does it go after this? James?
Thanks for being patient, by man, You've been very very
patient for our guests here. And what do you got
(02:26:41):
on any of that you had a taiale you wanted
to share or if you got anything else you want
to bump that instead? You tell me thanks for being
patient to all yours. Corred Head, Oh, no problem.
Speaker 7 (02:26:50):
Great calls from Kelly and Matt Tell and everybody, everybody tonight,
And I just the one I just wanted to say
real quick. Ca we heard in Kelly's call. Yeah, all
those those things he was talking about, all those are
options possibilities as to what is going on. And yeah,
I also do think based on Kelly's comments and from
(02:27:11):
Terry that you read there in the chat. I've been
saying this for a long time. When it comes to
the media, the big networks, the big entertainment networks, the
big all those things, paranormal is supposed to equal evil.
That's the big narrative they push and in never mind
(02:27:32):
that there are people that have experiences that are neutral
or positive. And that's one of the biggest problems I've
had with the big companies over the years that use
that narrative to make money because of the fear, but
also who knows. I mean, maybe they do want everyone
to be afraid, and not just for the energy releases,
(02:27:55):
and because some people do enjoy it. They want people
in chargeage and power want that anyway, So that is possibility.
I do have a story, but I will if you
have any thoughts on that, I can wait for a
minute too.
Speaker 3 (02:28:08):
Now that's why we talk to each other. That's the
whole point is it kind of spread the ideas out
and you know, recognize that we are being influenced by
a bunch of things that are invisible, like literally invisible,
and it's stories. Sometimes sometimes sometimes there is no human
resonant energy. Sometimes we create it in our mind, okay,
And so just as a reminder that just because we
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cite this or cite that as part of the conversation,
it doesn't necessarily mean it's God's honest truth, because I'm
not sure what is. But there's a ton of options here,
there's a ton of availability of conceptual bases. And that's
the point is, so what are we missing? How does
this work? How does it fit the past? How does
it fit the future? Welcome to twenty twenty five. Love
(02:28:51):
to hear what else you got?
Speaker 7 (02:28:52):
Go ahead, Well, I guess I will end with my
story here and I will try to make it as
brief as I can. But so, when I was about
fifteen years old and my cousin was about eleven, we
would visit my grandparents all the time at their house.
A lot of my family would. There was just people
coming and going there all the time. And this one
(02:29:15):
day we were there visiting and we happened to go
by the stairway leading up to the second floor and
we passed it. Then we stopped and we looked back
because we saw something on the landing at the top
of the stairs that before you turn left to go
wrap around, basically, and it was an older woman in
a blue dress with a white apron, and I believe,
(02:29:40):
yeah it was, yeah, it was. I just I have
to very like double check in my own mind. But
and we saw this, and she was just standing on
the landing there, and we could see through her and
through the curtains at the window there, and she was
just standing in place and smiling. And again I'm legally blind,
(02:30:01):
so I don't know how I could tell she was
smiling unless there was some kind of communication, some kind
of since I was getting I'm not even sure. But
and this is after we had our first experience at
my cousin's house. But the difference was that first experience
at my cousin's house we were freaked out. This one
(02:30:24):
it felt fine. We didn't feel anything negative from whatever
we were seeing. And so we had this experience a
few times over the years, and eventually I told my grandma,
my grandma about that I got to be an adult,
and she was surprised, and she told me this. She
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a couple of times. She was in the house back
before I was everborn, back when my dad and his
siblings were all kids, and she was in the kitchen
and she walked away from the stove for a second
to do something and came back and there was this
woman in a blue dress with a white apron standing
(02:31:06):
in front of the stove, and she was there and
then she was just gone. And my grandma saw her
a couple of times in the house like that, just
there and then gone. Well, one day she was invited
by the wife, the husband and wife that lived next door.
The wife invited her over to visit, so my grandma
(02:31:28):
went over there. They were talking and the neighbor had
to leave the room for a minute to get something.
My grandma saw this picture and it was of a
woman in a blue dress with a white apron, and
the neighbor came back and saw my grandma looking at
the picture and said, yeah, that's my husband's mom. She
(02:31:48):
was the original owner of the house that you live
in now. It was built for her. And my grandma
didn't say anything because she didn't want to freak anybody out,
but she is pretty freaked out herself. And then it
turns out, talking to my dad years later, he saw
the same woman on that landing in the stairs, same
(02:32:12):
place with my cousin. I saw her, but she was
actually sweeping the stairs when he saw her, and then
she just vanished, so last bit the family. A lot
of the people who my family know about this now
because after me doing all that I do, we talked
about it. My older sister and her husband and their
(02:32:32):
kids moved into the house that same house after my
grandparents had passed, and they they bought it, but they
had to sell it eventually, but they when they moved in.
My older sister, who was also interested in these things
but has a family so she can't really look into
them as much as I can, she knew about everything.
(02:32:55):
She knew about all these sightings, and she decided one
day because she was feeling sensing energy around her in
the house, and she decided to try an EVP session
electronic voice phenomenon where she pulled up a recorder recording
app on her phone and asked if there was anyone
(02:33:18):
there and asked for the asked for the neighbor that
the name of the woman that used to live there.
She asked for her by name, by last name, Are
you here, and then just let it go for a
little bit, and then stopped the recording, played it back
and got I am here in a woman's voice, so
(02:33:41):
I don't know, I mean one person, okay, maybe you
know they're mistaken two people, Well maybe they were both
at the same time. They were mistaken. Well, yeah, but
these two people saw things years apart. Then you have
three people seeing things also years apart, and then you
have this last little bit. So I don't know what
(02:34:03):
it was. I have no idea. For sure, it felt
like it was a conscious, sentient individual the times that
I that my cousin and I saw here. But beyond that,
that's all.
Speaker 3 (02:34:15):
I can say. Yeah, fantastic stuff, Thank you for sharing that.
And the wild part about all of this is when
I talk about human resonant energy, like that experience right
there is exactly what I'm talking about, because not only
do we experience things personally, we experience things generationally. We
(02:34:35):
experience things from through our grandparents. We experience things through
our parents, who our children, through our grandchildren, through this
hierarchy of being human. And not only that, the fascinating
part is how those nodes connect, because again, so it
was sort of a fractured experience that people didn't talk
(02:34:56):
about for years, Like they saw it, they didn't say anything,
and then years and years later they finally admit, yes,
I saw that too. And this is and This is
part of the stigma of talking about you know, experiences
and this type of stuff, is we're really tamping down
on or censoring that human resonant energy, that storytelling aspect
(02:35:19):
of how these things do live on. And even without
like a like a direct uh words, from one person
to the next, to the next to the next. It's
not like it was like a you know, like a
like a massive a story within the family or something.
It's like the kind of piece cobbles the pieces together
after the fact from from decades ago that people saw
(02:35:41):
things that didn't say anything because they knew they would
be ridiculed. And so so again and I should clip
this this entire thing that you you told there and
then me kind of really spacing what what I describe
as human resonant energy. I say that term a lot,
but that's exactly what I mean. Like we are connected
(02:36:02):
to ourselves personally in this physical space now, but also
the past, the president in the future. It also seems
to flow through us through through these connections. And I
and I again, how do you quantify that? It's impossible yet,
but I wouldn't be shocked if we found a way
to eventually measure that and kind of maybe even tune
(02:36:24):
into the energy of our ancestors whatever that means. And
we've talked about that quite a lot. But yeah, buyer stuff. James,
appreciate you sharing the experience there and the family, the
family actual saga and and hi, Hi Grandma. I mean,
you know, like we can only we can only hope
and guess that our ancestors are hanging out listening and
hopefully being proud of us.
Speaker 7 (02:36:46):
Yeah, definitely. And I have so many other accounts of
experiences with my grandparents, especially my grandma funny enough after
she passed. So but I've told them before and I'll
tell them again at my own show. So that's we
are not making this show go with other few hours
because that would not be good for everyone.
Speaker 3 (02:37:07):
Well, you know, we'll take a break, eat a sandwich,
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as we talk about all the rest of that stuff. Look,
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out his website, Go check out his books, Go buy
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his books, Go listen to his podcast, Go do all
the things. That's exactly the point. Let's help each other
and James glue the show. I appreciate you man, And
again we're James and I are colle oberating behind the
scenes on ideas because we've done a ton of a
ton of stuff on Trouble Mind, He's done a ton
of stuff on Sauceedo Paranormal, and so the question really becomes,
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you know, like, how do we merge these ideas and
look at technology, look at history, look at human resonant energy.
Remind me, James, because this is like that ten twelve,
fifteen minutes we just did. Right, there's a perfect, perfect
example of what I mean when I say that. But
you were the best, as you know, appreciate you hanging
out and staying up late and all the rest of it.
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As we say, I do. What's what's the language? I
don't even know, Audios Adios.
Speaker 7 (02:38:37):
Words are hard. Yes, I actually have a merchandise store
tea shirt that says that. Actually multiple shirts. Let's say
that funny enough, because words are thanks to sweets.
Speaker 3 (02:38:47):
Shout out sweets, the other the other glue of the show,
shout out sweets. Okay, before we leave, I'm going to
play this because I promised I'm play it and I
found it. Now listen to this. This is exactly what
we're talking about in a bunch of different ways. Why
it's like a minute or two and then we'll wrap
this up.
Speaker 17 (02:39:04):
It's just going to get weirder and weirder and weirder,
and finally it's going to be so weird that people
are going to have to talk about how weird it is.
I look for the invention of artificial life, the cloning
of human beings, possible contact with extraterrestrials, possible human immortality,
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and at the same time appalling acts of brutality, genocide,
race bating, homophobia, famine, starvation. The mushroom said to me
once it said, this is what it's like when a
species prepares to depart for the stars. You don't depart
for the stars under calm and orderly conditions. It's a
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fire in a mad house, and that's what we have,
the fire in the mad house at.
Speaker 10 (02:39:52):
The end of time.
Speaker 17 (02:39:53):
This is what it's like when a species prepares to
move on to the next dimension.
Speaker 3 (02:40:03):
Agree or not, you've got to admit he was an
interesting fellow. That's Terence McKenna talking about basically where we
sit twenty twenty five hyperreality. Things are going to get
weirder and weirder and weirder until we have to talk
about them. What comes next after that? We certainly got
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the talking about them walk down. Thanks for being part
of this, Thanks for carrying. Don't forget to follow our
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Friends click the friends link on the website. A lot
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Strange and I'm a weirdo. However, there's a lot of
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other amazing weirdos out there that can see conceptual thought
in fractals and isn't that what it's all about? Our
friends who know what to do. Do you want to
help us directly spread the word, let people know what
conversation is happening. Where we're not going to tell you
who to vote for. We've I personally haven't checked out
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of politics. I pay attention, but I'm done talking about
it because it's so dishonest, all of it, both sides.
I don't want to hear somebody trying to make the
case for this side or that side, because it's all
trash in my opinion. So I don't talk about it.
I think about it, but I don't talk about it
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because you can get that crap anywhere else. Yeah, it's
a I don't know, a sanctuary space away from that
binary political nonsense. Don't forget there are ideas out there
that will never die, and it's up to us to
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foster those ideas, impress them forward through inspiration to the
next generation. That's my hope.
Speaker 14 (02:42:05):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (02:42:06):
That's the hope that I have. Is it something one
of us said, we will inspire the next generation to
help us make the best of humanity.
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That's that.
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back to the regular schedule Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, working on
some stuff as usual. I'll let you guys know as
that develops. Thanks for being part of this. As we finish,
you know what to do. Thanks to all the mobs
out there keeping the chat clean and respectful and pinning
all the things and all the places. Thanks to all
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the reposts and retweets and all the things that are
happening too. Like I said, that's what this is all about.
If we're not sharing ideas with each other, what are
we doing? That's that And as we finish this one,
it's for Pete in Georgia, Savannah, Georgia. Thanks for the call,
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thanks for the ideas, be sure, be strong, be true.
Thank you, for listening. From our troubled minds to yours.
Have a great night,