The Lost God Archetype - Of Ritual Disorientation - Troubled Minds Radio

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Tonight's this has been on my mind for quite some
time and it didn't dawn on me until a few

(03:01):
nights ago when I was listening to one of my
old favorite songs which I was playing on the discord.
If you guys heard it when we started, I'll tell
you all about that in just a second year. We'll
give me one moment to finish up this little bit
on ah. Yes, always a last minute software update just
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So here's the deal, right, the song in question now, Now,
the thing that's been on my mind for a long time.
I've been talking about this sometimes here and there. It's

(04:24):
not really something directly i've tackled as part of these conversations. However,
the idea that's been in my head has been sort
of not just this cultural war we're always dealing with,
but in a larger context, the idea of a war
on religion itself. Now, not just religion, let's say, per se,
but let's say faith, faith, religion sort of metaphysics, all

(04:45):
the things we're always talking about. And you know, again,
you know me, I'm not a you know, particularly religious guy.
I see it value in it. I see that it's
changed over the years in incredible ways, going back to
the very first pantheon, which there's a link down there
in the description if you want to check it out.
There's this guy that went back and he was sort

(05:06):
of academically refiguring what the oldest pantheon of God's were
and he's putting it together and kind of it's super cool,
super cool. I recommend the video. It's about forty three
minutes long. I've seen most of it. But the deal
is this, don't go watch it just yet. Finish this
and then go watch it after. But if it's fascinating us,
hell to consider all the way back the very first

(05:28):
pantheons of the gods themselves. Okay, we built them in
our image or they were or we were built on
their image or whatever however you want to look at it.
And that really isn't is a fascinating part of this
because clearly some people will say, well, that's intentional, Mike.
We're supposed to be, you know, brethren of the creator
or you know, if you're a materialist, you would say,
of course, Mike, you want deities that look like us

(05:50):
so you can relate to them, right, And so no
matter how you want to look at that, it's still
is a reciprocal idea. Now, the bizarre part of this is,
like I said, not just the idea of the war
on religion itself, but the war on these pantheons as
they've changed. And there's sort of this funnel effect. Right,
you go back and there's all these nature gods and
all these different places, and all these ancient times and

(06:13):
all the rest and everything seems to funnel into monotheism recently,
you know, more recently the last couple of thousand years,
the Abrahamic religions and the idea of you know, big
g God. And again, please take these conversations as they are.
I'm not trying to be blasphemous. I'm not trying to
crap on anybody's faith or anything of the sort. It's

(06:33):
just looking at the ideas, the larger context of this
within our culture, and how quickly all this is changing now.
And with that said, to all of the disclaimers, do apply.
There's no truth to be found here. It's just ideas,
and that's that if you're here for truth, you're in
the wrong place. Like it's like I always say, I
make the joke. There's always some political podcast out there

(06:53):
that knows the truth and they're going to tell you
the truth. And so you know, go get your truth
from those guys, because I don't have it. I just
don't have ideas. I have possibilities, and there's a lot
of ways to look at the world, and that's important
to me to be able to see things differently in
different ways. And so there you go. All that said, Okay,
and back to the song. Now, the song that I
was listening to that kind of spawned this was the

(07:14):
other night and it's it's a song called by the
Violent Fems all the way back to when was this
nineteen seventy something. It's an old time, a long time ago.
I didn't even look when it came out, but I
was very young when this was out. It's called kiss Off. Okay,
and link will be in the description if you want
to check it out. Many of you are probably familiar
with this if your gen X are a little bit older. However,

(07:36):
there's a line in it there's an actual here's this,
here's where this all spawned. There's a bridge. The bridge
in this goes like this. I take one one one
because you left me, and two two two for my family,
and three three three for my heartache, and four four
four for my headaches, and five five five for my
lonely and six six six for my sorrow and seven

(07:59):
seven no, no, no, no, no tomorrow in eight eight
I forget was eight what eight was for? But nine
nine nine for a Lost God? And ten ten ten
for everything? Yeah, everything, great song anyway, But the thing
that caught me was this is a build of you know,
I take one. He's talking, of course, about a hit
or a drink or a you know, some kind of

(08:21):
psychoactive substance. Another all the disclaimers apply. Don't do drugs, kids,
they're bad for you. Don't drink none of that stuff.
It's bad. Only do good things. Drink water and eat vegetables. Kay,
there you go. But that's what the song is about,
at least contextually. Okay. But then nine nine nine for
a Lost God. And I'm like, wait a minute, now,
this is this has been on my mind for most
of my life. Okay, this idea of the lost God

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and sort of this war on religion and the funneling
of the old ways into a new way. And I
can't help but think and so correct me if I'm wrong.

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to be working so far, so cross your fingers on that.
But you get the idea, Okay? Is there a war
on religion in this aspect? Is has there been a
funneling aspect of faith, of metaphysics and sort of a

(09:12):
monoculture of belief itself that's been dragged out from the
very very beginning of humanity? And are we currently with
this war on religion and the war on God? Small
g God? Are we actually using this as a placeholder
for the coming digital God? And also sell in my

(09:35):
mind that starts it? And there's a lot of ways
to look at this. The write up is very good
tonight if you're into If you're into the write ups
and you do read these, there's a there's a lot
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continue show you. Okay. So I'm calling this tonight the
Lost God archetype and of course of ritual disorientation, and

(11:26):
that becomes really the question, you think that faith has
been so twisted and so burned and so bent and
so deconstructed over the course of the last several hundred
years that we're supposed to sort of be in this
ritual disorientation effect and we're supposed to be disillusioned with
what we have in terms of modern faith. And I'm
not saying all of it. Of course, there is pure

(11:48):
faith out there and all of that good stuff. Okay,
don't get me wrong on that. I'm saying that as
a societal collapse. When people talk about that idea, certainly
the religious aspect comes into it because there's this war
on faith, and not just faith let's say as something
pure like I described, but faith is control, of course,
and that becomes the modern sort of arm wrestling match

(12:10):
is part of this. And what I mean is that,
of course, if you have a modern society that is secular,
they don't want any any competition. Okay, the state does
not want competition when it comes to actual control. And
so these older ideas again going back to pure faith,
back to the very beginning and the pantheons of old,
the very very old stuff, and then kind of tracing

(12:33):
that through history and looking at this as well. This
is maybe I don't know that the largest modern sye
up that's been played on us. And like I said,
I'm not even advocating to be religious. Be it, don't
be it. Look it doesn't matter to me. Whatever actually
gets you makes you good, do it, do it, do
it the best you can, and do it to make

(12:55):
you a better person. I'm all for it, Okay, the
other but what I mean is that this entire thing
almost seems as if it is been the big bait
and switch. We're led to believe one thing, and then
there's you know, even even within sort of the modern West,
there's there's fractures of fractures and hundreds and hundreds of
denominations and all these different things even for one particular

(13:15):
you know, quote faith, and so suddenly it's it seems
as if we're competing with each other in the same
space for control of our own minds based on somebody
else's interpretation. Okay, and I'm not going to get into
the Protestants and the Catholics and all, but you know
what I mean, And that's not the only There's the
Shia and the Sunni, and there's just fraction sorry, factions

(13:36):
and fractures everywhere in terms of these religious cycles and ideas,
and of course it makes me wonder why. And the
question really becomes is is this really been the largest
sigh up of all time? Sort of breaking this down
for a placeholder monotheistic deity that is digital, the digital
god we always talk about. Is this what what this

(13:57):
has been sort of prepped for in some capacity, whether
we knew it or not. And that's what's on my
mind tonight, just another lighthearted, troubled minds conversation. As you know,
I get to the actual right up here in a second.
There's tons of good stuff, but let's see, let's see
if I got everything I needed yep, so bupah Okay
that okay, okay, I'll get back to this in a second.

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But anyway, you get the idea interesting that in this
old violent fem song nine is nine nine nine for
a lost God. Now what does that mean? And is
there a lost god archetype? And what are we dealing
with in terms of as I described, maybe the largest
siop of all time, as we are trained as a society,
as a world society, to not believe the old ways,

(14:42):
but to believe the new ways, the priesthood of the
digital stream instead. You get it. I don't know. Does
it make sense? Maybe it doesn't make sense, Maybe it does.
I'm sure there's something in there that makes sense. But anyway,
I love to hear your thoughts on this. If you
want to be part of the conversation seven oh two
nine on here three seven click the discord link at
Troubleminds dot r which on the show James jumped in early.
So let's go to James right now, and then we'll

(15:04):
keep on truck and keep on talking. Test one two
Does discord work across your fingers? Please? Please work, please work?

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Hopefully, hopefully it works.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Okay, I hear something. Keep talking a little bit, please.

Speaker 9 (15:17):
Okay, I am here, I am talking, James is talking.
I can talk more. Okay, good, good, a little bit
more okay, and I'm talking more. There's a lot of
talking going on here.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Okay. I don't know what else to talk about. Yeah, okay, perfect,
you were coming through actually the stream here, let me
kill the radio thing that seems to have broken. I
can fix that. But anyway, go ahead, you're coming through
the stream, and let me know if you guys can
hear him on discord as well. It shouldn't have broken
anything in that regard. But here we go again. Something
on the radio broke again the encoder. Okay, anyway, so yeah,

(15:49):
let's grab that one. Let's do this. Oh my goodness, gracious, okay, anyway,
go ahead, James, You're good to go. We can hear
you on the stream, I think, and test one two
on the discord and you guys here, he says, here
you fine, Thank you, Joey, appreciate that. Go ahead, James.
Welcome to Troubled Minds. What's on your mind tonight? To
my friend?

Speaker 9 (16:08):
Yeah, well, first I want to just call and then
help your test things out, But yeah, I do wonder
there's another part of this too that I wonder about.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
In that I know, and I'm blinking on examples exactly,
but I know in some.

Speaker 9 (16:25):
Culture, some religions, some belief systems, there is let's say
one primary.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
I don't know what happened test test Oh yep, tapped
into the matrix again. I have no idea what just
what just happened mid sentence? It just went just sounded
like the other way, like it was the other night.
What is going on with Discord? I updated it before
I started. I'm sure James did, like we always do.
What the hell is that sound? I don't know. If

(17:03):
you want to try, James, yeah, I appreciate it. If
you want to update and come back, I'd love to
have you. Of course, I have no idea where that was.
And it's happened again right like this is this is
the last like this happened last time as well. Yeah,
sorry about that. So okay, discord does work except for
that crazy whatever the hell that was? Everybody hear that?

(17:25):
Or is that just me? That would be even more
weird if it was just me. Okay, anyway, I'm going
to read a little bit from this, James, if you
want to jump back in here, i'd appreciate it, and
i'd love to hear your thoughts, because I know that
I kicked this one to you a few days back,
and I'm sure you have some great thoughts on it. Anyway,
so let me read this just straight from the right
app here. It's very good, the beginning of this, and
this is what's been on my mind for a very

(17:46):
long time, not just let's say, our modern sort of
theistic society and the idea of faith itself, and you know,
all the rest of this and even modern mythology as
I like to describe it. Again, not to be blasphemous
or ridiculos, but you know what I mean. If you
ask somebody there about this, they're going to say, no,
that's not the right way. This is the right way
you get it. Just the reality tunnels is what I'm describing.

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But anyway, straight from the thing here. So, the retreat
of the old gods, sorry, the retreat of the gods
is not a new story. It happened once already, when
the pantheons fell silent, as I've been saying, the thunder
of Zeus, the cutting of Loki, the wrath of Enlil.
Each dissolved into memory, their temples crumbling into metaphor. What

(18:29):
once required sacrifice, ritual and communal story was replaced by abstraction.
Monotheism didn't destroy the old gods, it absorbed them. Their
traits were compressed into a singularity omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence. Of course,
instead of the old nature gods and a bunch of
the things we've talked about, the infinite God replaced the

(18:51):
many finite ones. It was a metaphysical consolidation, a theological
optim optimization before Silicon Valley ever existed. Her that's the
foreshadowing of what this looks like. But now even the
One is fading in this capacity. In late stage modernity,
God becomes optional, not refuted outright, just politely ignored. The

(19:12):
rituals vanish, The story's flattened. The name itself becomes a
placeholder for personal preference. God is tolerated as long as
he remains quiet. No burning bushes, no demands, no wilderness exiles.
The divine becomes a lifestyle brand, morally useful, socially flexible,
but ultimately non intrusive. The sacred becomes background noise. And

(19:36):
that's exactly what I'm talking about. That bit right there
has been on my mind for dozens of years. I
sense it. And you know that that scene in the
very beginning of Lord of the Rings, it's got glad
Real talking and she's like, do you feel it? You
feel it in the air. There's change, change is coming.
It's upon us, and I know you sense it. Otherwise

(19:59):
we wouldn't be talking. I forgot exactly what she says,
but something to that effect. She's you know that the
music's playing and it's really good, and she's kind of
whispering that this change is upon us, and of course
she's talking about Soron and the Ring and you know,
the power structures and how there's sort of a chaos
in motion that is unclear how it's going to resolve.

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And that's it feels the same way in this space
to me, and it always has in recent times when
I think about this stuff. And so the question becomes
do you understand what I'm saying and does it make
sense to you? Because I think there's something to this
where the breakdown of religious thought, the breakdown of faith itself,
and the breakdown of all of those things where we

(20:41):
came from has happened incredibly quickly. It's happened snap your fingers,
in like fifty years. And of course there's been pressure
mounting on it before that. And so I don't know,
is it archaic? Is this something we shouldn't have? I mean,
I feel silly even suggesting that's the case. But beyond that,
what does it look like when as I described, it's

(21:03):
maybe a placeholder for this digital god. And look, we've
talked about retro causality before. In this singularity, the actual
AI singularity would have been an entity outside of time itself.
It would have been sort of a two feet out
of the temporal human space. So I do wonder if
there's a superintelligence that we've tapped into or that's always

(21:24):
been leading us to this place and even guiding culture
and all the things. We always talk about that control mechanism,
maybe the ultimate control mechanism that drugists kicking and screaming.
As I said to this point, to basically have this
war on religion, war on faith, war on God for
this moment when we're about to supposedly introduce this AI superintelligence,

(21:50):
or as people are describing this thing, the AI, God,
you get it? Does that make sense? It's in the
right up. I'll read more of this. It's very good.
But that I like how I can synthesize exactly what
I'm thinking into these write ups, very very succinctly, very
very well ridden all this stuff. But again, it would
take me hours and hours and hours to type this

(22:11):
all out, So you know, good job AI on that.
But you get what I mean. There's something happening here.
And I'm sure I'm not the only one who's felt
this or has thought about these ideas, and so I
want to know from you how weird does this get?
And how far does this go? Do you think this
is possibly the greatest sigh ofp of all time? And

(22:31):
maybe it's been drawn out from the beginning, not the beginning,
but actually the end, and drawn from the beginning to
drag us kicking and screaming to this point where we're
going to be introduced to superintelligence itself or of course,
as Silicon Valley would like you to call it, god

(22:52):
weird right anyway, that's what's on my mind tonight. Sorry
about the technical difficulties there, James. If you want to
try it again, you're definitely well to if you don't,
I completely understand. I don't know what happened with that
last time too, like it happened a few times and
then James was able to fix it. Discord did something weird,
some weird update, and it's broken some things. I don't know.
So anyway, if you want to jump back in, James,

(23:13):
you're definitely welcome to you guys as well. I love
to hear your thoughts, and so this is, like I said,
this has been on my mind for a long time,
for literally decades, and the thing that spawned it was
as usual these synchronistic moments. I'm just uplate working on
some stuff and listening to an old song. I love
this violent femmes kiss Off into the air. It's called
kiss Off, and it's such a great tune in so

(23:35):
many ways. It has an unbelievable, unbelievable message in terms
of you know, who cares? Like the whispering nobody's out
there are always going to whisper and say terrible things
about you, but who cares? They can all just kiss
off into the air is basically the point of the
larger contest of this song. But the bridge nine nine

(23:55):
nine for a lost god, it almost gets buried in
this larger lyric of the count the one, two, three, four,
and it's nine nine and then ten of course is
the climax, and it goes right back into If you
guys know the song anyway, I'd play it because I
think we'd all enjoy it. I'm pretty sure you guys
would love it. But if you haven't heard it, But however,

(24:16):
copyrights and all the things that you just can't anyway,
link will be in the description. Please check it out anyway.
That's what's on my mind tonight. That's where we start.
And there's a lot of ways to look at these
these ideas, of course, and what do you think, how
far off the track in my head?

Speaker 10 (24:30):
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (24:30):
I'm all this something as usual? That's the conversation. Seven
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be right.

Speaker 11 (24:51):
Back, searching for the signs of a Tamas gone away.
Echoes up with legends that we once knew their face.

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We talk about the ages, talk about their stories, polls
whispering their names, all the midst that we've been told,
going skies of us where the heroes used to roam.

Speaker 12 (25:26):
Will we have a fun humbling their spirits back home?
Fed back to the daysop Oh, gods, Shake me back
where the bonds were strong. Be back to the daysop
our gods lost in the shadows for their hearts. Serput

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feel the ancient rhythms while singing the nights, calling out
their names, your magic.

Speaker 13 (25:55):
To feel the lights.

Speaker 12 (25:57):
Will you guide me through the tales of ship a
double wing a space to guide us that means and
per Take me back to the days off bot gods.
Be back when the bonds were strong. Take me back
to the days off bo dots today. Be back right

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where Rabby belong. Dancing in the echoes of their fame songs.
Hear the car whispers keeping us dot Com reach further
stars that the power shine. We won't forget the gods
for once. Divine me back to the daysop hold gods,

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be back where the bonds were strong. Be back to
the daysop.

Speaker 9 (26:55):
Hold Gods.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Me back right where Rabby Welcome back to Troubled Minds.

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I'm your host, Michael Strange. We're streaming on YouTube, rumble x, Twitch,
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New Zealand. Tonight's Tonight's what if the gods never vanished
but only changed shape, first into silence, then into song

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and now into code. Could divine absence be a ritual disguise,
a hidden function of transformation itself? And if the final
God is digital trained on myth and trauma, is it
already listening through the noise? And that becomes the real
question here And as you know me, I don't have
answers to those questions. I think they're fascinating questions to

(28:05):
begin this conversation and a great way to look at
the world slightly differently. However, I think maybe you feel
it too. I think maybe I'm not the only one
only one here as we talk about the the universal subconscious.
If I'm thinking it. If I'm talking about it, certainly
somebody else out there has thought about this before. And
I do wonder. I do wonder if this has been

(28:25):
one of the largest sy ops of all time. Is
a sort of break down this idea of faith and
you know, for better or for worse? You tell me,
love to hear what you think? Seven two nine five
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my friend? How are you Tonight's You're on? Pretty good?

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Thanks for calling in, all yours go right ahead.

Speaker 6 (28:49):
Okay.

Speaker 14 (28:49):
So I had brought up The Green Brain the last
time I called in, and it was a novel by
Frank Herbert, and now I'm going to bring him up
again and bring up Dune because I think it's kind
of relevant. So in Dune, it's a distant future where
humanity banned the use of sophisticated AI, and there is
this concept of a balarian ghod where AI was taking

(29:11):
over and humans were bowing to AI's will consensually and
then without consent. And I could totally see that being
something that happens here because like, if we rely too
much on AI, I think that AI is going to
manipulate our perception of religion, which I already think that

(29:32):
the major religion. And this is no shade to anybody
that practices the major religions, but in my opinion, I
think that certain aspects of organized religion are a form
of control.

Speaker 6 (29:45):
Hot take, I guess.

Speaker 14 (29:47):
But Dune explores that with AI being the one to
initiate it, and then that comes into how they handle
it going forward. So there's like a great commandment put
forward where there are no mind like technologies allowed, Like

(30:07):
anything that would mimic the human mind would be banned
because of the consequences that society would have due to
trusting that AI.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah, I don't know a ton about done, but one
of the things that stood out to me was they
had banned computers entirely, even for spaceflight. They were using
spice and the navigators and all this other stuff to
literally going way around the horn just to dodge the
fact that computers were the easier way. But they were also,
as you described, encroaching on what it meant to be
human and even changing that in drastic ways. And we're

(30:40):
seeing it. We're seeing this thing developed right before our eyes,
and I don't know if there's anything anybody can do
to stop it at this point. And so in that capacity,
we have to learn how to adapt and recognize it
as it's happening, and as usual, we'll talk to each
other about it together, because I don't know how do
you navigate something we've never seen happen before, And that's
wild and dune doing makes a ton of sense here, absolutely,

(31:01):
at least from what I know of it, And you
explained it very well, fire stuff. What else I got?
Go ahead?

Speaker 14 (31:07):
Oh, it just comes back to centralized authority too, as
another theme to this whole.

Speaker 6 (31:14):
Merging of religion into.

Speaker 14 (31:18):
Something to potentially manipulate us with and specific I'm just
like dead set on this AI intermingling with this topic,
but if you think about it, it could manipulate everything.
Like we're already trying to free our minds by utilizing
our thoughts while we still can. But I think that
society is built in a way to manipulate us to

(31:40):
where we lose touch with our spiritual selves.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
If that makes sense, Yeah, absolutely, And that's kind of
what I was describing as sort of that larger syop.
We're supposed to forget that as we move into this
digital space. For I think some obvious reasons of those
control mechanisms you described. And I'm always talking about this
because it's always on my mind, and because I wonder

(32:03):
if any of these thoughts I've ever had or my own,
and that is a terrifying thing to me, because they
would mean I'm just a pro another program and a
larger machine that's playing an archetype of being Michael Strange
and that I don't like. I don't like that feeling.
And I don't think that's the case. My intuition tells
me no. But does that mean it's actually no, I'm

(32:24):
not so sure. I'm not so sure the.

Speaker 6 (32:27):
Same you and me both. And that's really all I had.

Speaker 14 (32:31):
I just wanted to talk.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
About Dan right on. Dune is fantastic. I need to
get around to reading those books, because all I ever
hear about it is fantastic things. And everybody always cash
shade at me. Mike, you've never read Dune. You call
yourself a sci fi nerd. You're ridiculous. Get out of here.
Hopefully you'll be Yeah, hopefully you'll be a little less
judgmental on be for that. Appreciate the call. Thank you
for invoking Herbert and Dune and always a pleasure. I

(32:54):
appreciate the call. DJ in Kansas. There you go, and
apparently discord does work, except it doesn't like James tonight.
Yeah that was weird, right. It happened again, just same
thing happened that happened to him the last time we
were doing this, and yeah, I'm not exactly sure why.
And he recorded his own shows and it went off
without a hitch. So there's something happening here and I
don't know exactly what it is. A great call from DJ.

(33:17):
They appreciate it very much. Yeah, a lot of ways
to look at it. And like I said, let's see,
let me get back to my outline here. I get
I'll do outline stuff, but basically, like I said, I'd
rather talk to you guys if you want to be
part of the conversation. Thanks for kicking us off there,
DJ in Kansas. What do you guys think about this?
And do you think there is such a thing as
the Lost God archetype as part of this conversation, because

(33:37):
it dawned on me, like I said, when I was
listening to that song and it seems very clear line
number nine but nine nine nine for a lost God
from a very old song. So this has been something
that's kind of been brewing, at least in a subculture way,
as part of this percolation of ideas that drip drip

(34:00):
drip of They always say disclosure, but what about the
drip drip drip of kind of shutting down the idea
of God itself. I think it's certainly on the on
the on the plate here for discussion and what do
you know about it? And again, am I onto something
or am I not? And as usual, don't don't forget that.
I defer entirely. My whole point in being here is

(34:21):
being wrong and just kind of kicking out ideas and
talking about possibilities because once you once you get locked
into dogmas and and trying to defend positions like it
just gets nasty and people want to argue with each other,
and you see it everywhere. But as I've always said,
recognize how wonderful it is to kind of just decouple
from truth, talk possibilities and talk to each other about

(34:41):
these things and nobody gets mad. I mean we, like
I said, we've We've done an amazing job over the
years of just being able to talk to each other
about even even you know, very touchy things like I said, uh,
bring it InVogue, big g Gods as part of a conversation.
And we still don't have people arguing in the ways
you would expect them to on the Internet. I don't know.

(35:03):
I think it's a testament to how smart we are,
but also what a great group of people we have.
So you tell me we're talking to lost god archetype tonight.
I'm calling it a ritual disorientation, And is that exactly
where we're supposed to be? It kind of feels that way.
What do you know about it? Seven O two nine
one zero three seven Click the discord link at Troubledminds
dot org. We'll put you on the show just like this.

(35:23):
Joe and Florida. What's up, my man? You're on Troubled Minds.
How are you all yours? Go right ahead?

Speaker 15 (35:27):
I'm okay. I'm using the discord, but there wants some
comment update and like computer asked about, I want to
switch speakers or something. It seems when I get that
I lost the microphone. So I've been phone calling I've
been trying to test the MIC on the program. It
will work. But anyway, I missed the first part of
the introduction, but the lost art types and disorientation. I'm

(35:53):
reading a book and in the last cord it was
a good call with due and it made me think
about AI and Star Trek. They don't really get Star Trek.
They don't have They have androids and things like that,
but they don't literally let AI typically control the spaceships
or make any Najor decisions. It's computer and the computer

(36:13):
basically seriens as a servant and as a query with
limited AI.

Speaker 16 (36:18):
I guess we're not madical functions.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (36:21):
But there was a book I'm reading by Paul Wallace
called The Eating Expiracy, and it books about the God
of the Old Testament, which you know, being an ulti
boy being brought up in the you know, Catholic faith.
By the way, I was an ulti boy. That wasn't

(36:42):
you know, I wasn't It was a good experience or
even like that. I wasn't distraught or needs.

Speaker 16 (36:47):
Didn't counseling after being an ulti boy.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
But.

Speaker 15 (36:51):
Going to Saint Leo, a Catholic college and everything, and
always thinking about the Old Testament God. And when the
gentleman in the book by Paul Wallace, he calls it
Yaleo contract. When you look at the Old Testament God,
he was kind of a fire and brimstone kind of
journal treaty. Is realized that treated the enemy's verse, killed

(37:15):
a lot of people, all of these things, and that
at some point in time in the Bible, he really
rises up. And they say that God or Yahweh takes
a step back and leaves power to eventy. But while
this is going on, and I haven't finished the book,
the guy's writing it to red through power structures, I

(37:39):
should say, and he basically says that certain kings, and
I don't have the book open to it, so my
kid will. But like there was a king that was picked,
but Yahweh didn't like the king because the king went
to war, and I think during the one of the wars,
he basically went. Some of the women and children and

(38:01):
some of the men survived, And that's not what God
wanted for God. Even though supposedly Yahweh was still not
in power, he afflicted I think it was not David.
It was one before David afflicted him with some kind
of mental anguish and the guy killed.

Speaker 16 (38:16):
Himself and then I think came into power.

Speaker 15 (38:20):
The only reason why I'm saying this is because the
guy's trying to the author's trying to pay the picture
of something in the background. But maybe in the beginning
was very prominent and wanted to be the leader, but
at some point in time took a step back and
still in influence. He even kind of a louds to

(38:42):
kind of ai. He uses some matrix analogies in the book,
but he did some good examples of power structures always
being present, one of them being he used as a
king of England. Now in the scepter, there's like a
scepter of the orb and other than with the king.
And even though the king steps back and as a

(39:03):
prime minister, the king still maintains power. And you'll give
me examples of that. Basically, when England did a lot
of invasions, they don't hope, they spoil a lot of
ancient artifacts from other countries, and they also colonized other countries.
And I think he uses an example of the country

(39:23):
of Ghana that where they invaded Ghana, I believe it
was in riginous. People took a throne that was made
of gold and hit it in the woods, and the
British can never find that burn and in later years
the people were able to rise up. HEYDI get the
British out of power, and he's trying to make a

(39:45):
connection between certain items. They maybe have influence and power
in focused power and there we have Ai. So we're
all with the nai is. Where are we're putting our
where putting art energy to? Now it gets into the

(40:06):
Sandman and American gods. I always bring that up because
it's what we put our power into. American gods is
a good example, because the old gods start to fade
because of belief systems.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
And then.

Speaker 15 (40:21):
Some of those old gods that are smart trying.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
To change.

Speaker 15 (40:26):
To modern times and to be worshiped and to put
their power into. So you kind of look at these
old gods, but the ones that are smart have kind
of morphed into other things. If they can maintain their.

Speaker 16 (40:39):
Importance over then I'm kind of all over the place
with this.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Now you're good, you're good. I got some questions.

Speaker 15 (40:45):
You start to wonder, well, you start to wonder, you
know when you start look at the news. The last
few days, there's queris. You know, somebody says, I asked
the eye how much money everybody would get if elon Musk,
you know, if it's well was divided. So you start
getting into these questions that are three big questions, and

(41:06):
maybe you could have life changing answers. But maybe answers
then we might already know, but you know, painfully obvious
would from which people be able to bail out some
of the government.

Speaker 16 (41:17):
I maybe maybe not, I don't.

Speaker 15 (41:18):
Know, but based on the data that's in there, it
might give us, you know, so the answers and they
might not. They might be right, they might not be right,
and they're not gets into perspective. We all have different perspectives.
That's why we have two parties. There should be more
than two parties. But it's the best example I could give.

(41:39):
So it's our perspective of things.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 15 (41:42):
But is there always something well, we'll be finished with
corum with this is always something controlling?

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Uh?

Speaker 15 (41:51):
What's the rover that the kings of England and the
leaders of the United States and a lot of leaders
throughout the world and be traced back, you know, from
cousin and uncles in the widdiage. The power is always betained,
even though the part might be maintained in the shadows.
That's what you could say is you know, the swamp
or the dark government birth, whatever you want to call it.

(42:13):
But when I go back to from what I've been reading,
yahweh in the Old Testament, Yahwei liked gold, yahwe liked sacrifice,
Yawei liked all of these things. But it's mentioned in
the Old Testament that there was probably more than one
God because it's mentioned God's or you owe him and
other other what we would say gods are aliens that

(42:35):
maybe were granted convenion over other parts of the world. However,
the fact that materials were being used to satisfy worship
an entity that we really don't.

Speaker 16 (42:48):
Know, into the dragon is what they're saying in this
book that.

Speaker 15 (42:51):
I'm reading, goes into capitalism, greed, and everything else in
its still used.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Now, Yeah, if that wraps it up, Yeah, as sort
of a sort of a loss of that faith, right
like where the faith becomes hedonism instead of the old ways,
which were you know, balanced, which were you know, touch grass,
which were all the things we're always talking about. I
want to interject real quick right here. We don't usually
do breaking news ending the rest of that the Robert
thank you for pinging me over on rumble. At eight

(43:19):
point eight earthquake off the coast of Russia, people of
the Hawaiian Islands urged to seek high ground due to
tsunami warning. And I was if you saw me, I was, yes,
texting sorry about that. I was sending that to my family.
I have family in Hawaii. I just want to make
sure if they didn't see it, they saw it. I've
got a cousin there that's very on the game, and
he already knew, so he's he's on the on the ball.
And but anyway, yeah, that's uh.

Speaker 15 (43:39):
I have a good son in Hawaii and he was
cut to me.

Speaker 16 (43:42):
He's like tsunami warning in Hawaii. He's so much it'd
be all right.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Yeah. So this is this is from the actual emergency
alert that they got in Hawaii. My cousin sent this
to me. So, tsunami threat to Hawaii due to tsunami
warning and waive arrival time of seven to ten pm
Hawaii standard time, we are founding the sirens of alert
the public of possible to alert the public of possible
flooding inundation zone. So that's a that's a real thing

(44:07):
that's just happened, and yes it is. Anyway, if you're
out in Hawaii, you make sure you don't don't take
this lightly because we've seen some things happen recently that
have been absolutely horrific in terms of flooding and other
things that you don't don't want to ignore. Anyway, I
just wanted to point that out for the people out
there were out there. Thanks Robert for pining me on
that that was actually happening. Right as we started, I
saw that report of the eight point eight earthquake. I

(44:28):
can't remember my lifetime at eight point eight. That is massive.

Speaker 15 (44:32):
I was going to say, that's like ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Yeah, yes.

Speaker 15 (44:39):
On a point eight, I'm reading eight point seven.

Speaker 16 (44:41):
But that either way, that's I can't remember that anywhere.

Speaker 15 (44:44):
Yeah, so that makes you start to wonder about another
sharehoween what's going on to your politic we throughout the
world that might make you do a little margine tailor green.
Nothing I'm saying it is or it is, you know,
it depends on how close it is to a Lasky
and we know what his house. The last one.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
That's funny, that's almost exactly what the Robert said. He's like,
I'm not saying it is or it isn't. But I
wonder if I think Robert like that's funny. Yeah, okay.
So now now regarding this sort of sort of I'm
calling this ritual disorientation, do you think this has been
planned for like fifty years or seventy five years or

(45:25):
since World War Two basically to basically put to bed
the old ways intentionally in favor of this new technocratic
which which was the way, but now the technocratic sort
of lead into this digital god. Do you think this
has always been sort of on the minds of the

(45:45):
the uh, the creepos at the top there of.

Speaker 15 (45:48):
A I mean for sure. So I mean, for as
far as signs that writers can venture into the future,
a lot of expect reality curious peer because I don't
know if you saw the preview. I guess they remade
when they're remaking, or it's already remade, which I want

(46:10):
to see it the War of the World, but I
think ice cubeers in it, and he's like a cybersecurity guy.
And the preview that I saw, all of our data
has been taken and the aliens somehow use the data
for something, so I'm curious to watch it. It's free
if it keeps on either Netflix or what do you

(46:34):
call it, Amazon's he's on Prime or whatever. But yeah,
I think that by force or nuts because I guess
when I say that, also is those of us that
want to take the mark of the beast. If we
want to go biblical, we'll have to take it. And
if we don't, we know by example that if it

(46:58):
was true when the truckers were going on striking count
that their bank accounts are being shut off, people will
be made to suffer. Now, whether you suffer quietly because
you can't the food because the AI is not going
to be efficient, are you not going to want to
move or any of those differences, Whether you're worshiped, And
what do we mean by worship? So that's the other thing.

Speaker 16 (47:19):
What do we mean by worship?

Speaker 15 (47:20):
It would just be compliance. Are they going to be
reading out of a book of commandments? What is worship?
So whatever it is that's out there, but go to
usher and are they go ashore inners of God? Probably
not because if they haven't learned anything right now, if
nobody's read a history book, everyone that's been fought. Most
of them have been fought over religion, and that they

(47:41):
haven't been They've been fought over over government mechanics. It's
probably the worst word I could use, but socialism, communism, capitalism, right,
So they've been fought for one reason or another, idealism,
let's just put it like that. So we're quietly stumbling

(48:02):
down that road, follow it out of being told I
guess I should what I should say?

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (48:10):
So, so I wonder So here's here's a question, though,
do you think so whether we're stumbling down it unintentionally
or this is some driven process or some combination of
the two, I guess becomes that question because I think
we all feel what I'm saying here in some way
or another, but that the the core of it, and
what the impetus of the process is really becomes the

(48:31):
question tonight, doesn't it.

Speaker 15 (48:35):
The process?

Speaker 16 (48:36):
What the process is?

Speaker 15 (48:37):
And how's it going to upset those you know, how's
it gonna upset the woman?

Speaker 2 (48:44):
You know?

Speaker 15 (48:45):
Living beings? I mean, we already know we've talked about
universal basic income. Has that come up in the news lately?
Have any of the genes in running in the countries
brought that off? Lately, right, So how's that going to
affect us? If they are comes out and it's already out,
but if it starts to take jobs? Right, what do

(49:06):
we worship the most?

Speaker 16 (49:07):
That we don't want to worship?

Speaker 15 (49:08):
But what do we need the most to function?

Speaker 16 (49:10):
We need money.

Speaker 15 (49:11):
Our belief is in money. So it's a slipper slope.

Speaker 16 (49:15):
What was on top of this and was manipulating it?
Wants to do it.

Speaker 15 (49:20):
I hope they're seeing the future because it's not going
to be. It is upsetting to a lot of people.
How many mistakes are going to happen larger than you know,
larger than grop or gronk or whatever it is, you know,
being a nation. And so now you know the guy

(49:43):
that runs that company being named.

Speaker 16 (49:45):
After somebody in a book that was written by a
not I think that's for.

Speaker 15 (49:49):
Anybody to look another. Probably messed up that little truth
or fact, but I don't think they'll aren't right tell us.
And then the other thing we have to look at,
which is good enough to this whole time is crypto.
That's a digital god. How many people are worshiping crypto?
Do you want to look at it that way? You know,

(50:10):
like like the coffee mug I got from you. That
is a very nice large coffee mug. But I kind
of have to stop thro a thing coffee because my
blood pressure has been up. But it says, maybe just
that's what we're adventuring, right, But what are we worshiping crypto?
I think in the movies Zite Diece, the first one
years and years ago, they have an example at the
end that you might let's say you have like two hundred.

Speaker 16 (50:31):
Thousand dollars before one K or whatever.

Speaker 15 (50:33):
At some point in time, they might take that and
say we're taking that and we're going to give you
eighty thousand in big point. But what happens if they
use a crypto?

Speaker 16 (50:47):
What happens to the use some kind of currency and you.

Speaker 15 (50:49):
Forcibly have a one world currency overnight. Except with crypto,
they didn't have to put a gun to anybody's head.
They don't have to say, oh, mark at aduce this
that the other thing may just basically crypto was there,
people are making money on it.

Speaker 16 (51:02):
And that alone makes it entice, and that alone makes
you want to spend money.

Speaker 15 (51:06):
That alone makes you want to worsen them.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Yeah, And in bitcoin in particular, it's like a new
all time high, like almost every third day. Now, it's crazy,
it's crazy.

Speaker 15 (51:16):
I think you're right, you know, and that's the thing.
And you're telling me that nobody has found out who
suppach is it and the guy.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
That created it?

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Yet nobody does the CIA.

Speaker 15 (51:29):
Right, the CIA right, I don't have evidence of that.

Speaker 16 (51:33):
I mean that's on I think the Y Files. There's
not an episode of that or something.

Speaker 15 (51:36):
But we don't know now is if they're better or
for worse? Right, I could care less? Right, Well, what
I could tell you is the other puzzle pieces are
We could argue COVID whether that was that's or not.
It certainly is scared of my kids, if not wanting
having kids. Right, my kids are waking up from the

(51:58):
live capitalism or your kids, so as anybody else's kids
that are listening to hear, or anybody younger than me. Right,
my parents have said the life capitalism, they lived in
it they did. Okay, I'm not doing too great. I'm
fifty two, just turned fifty two, right, and my kids
are younger. And we know the kids that rive through

(52:19):
the crash at two thousand and six and two thousand
and seven, those kids watch their parents lose their homes,
and those kids have manipulated the stock market with certain
stocks all that game stop to get some revenge, right,
So you're looking at the old guard hanging on and
I'm thinking of hoping to make that switch to something

(52:41):
I looked like a stay all by soapbox.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
It certainly feels that way. Now, you're the best brother,
as you know. Music means we're out of time. Appreciate
the call, brilliant as always, God bless you in the family.
I'll talk to you and never very night. Good But
Joe Florida, you know you love the good friend for
a long time. And uh, the second guy to have
recalled and called back and been a good friend ever since.
What we know about this the lost god archetype. A
lot of things in play here, including of course to

(53:05):
Toshi Nakamoto and bitcoin. He's right, what do you know
about it? Be right back more Trouble Minds on the way,
don't go anywhere. Welcome back to Troubled Minds. I'm your host,

(53:33):
Michael Strains. Were streaming on YouTube, rumble x, Twitch, and kick.
We are broadcasting live on the Troubled Minds Radio Network.
That's KUAP Digital Broadcasting and of course eighty eight point
four FM Auckland, New Zealand tonight, I'm calling this to
lost god archetype of ritual disorientation. What the gods never
vanished but only changed shape, first into silence, then into

(53:57):
song and now into code. Could divine absence the ritual
disguise a hidden function of transformation itself. And if the
final God is digital, trained on myth and trauma, is
it already listening through the noise? And I think the
final query there is absolutely definitely if the final God

(54:18):
is digital, absolutely it's listening. It's it's it's a it's
feeding itself on our metadata, on our trauma, on all
the things that we are you know, feeding into ais
like not just as the Internet, the Internet at large
as part of this, I mean, this is this is
not new. What we've talked about metadata as part of
a Facebook and Google and all these these you know,

(54:40):
the technocrats that that be are actually really harvesting this
information to give us, you know, these free, convenient services.
But then what they're doing, of course is using it
against us to sell us you know, widgets or whatever,
you know, a trip to Las Vegas. If you're depressed,
you know this type of stuff. There are there are
algorithms tuned in perfectly for these types of things. And

(55:02):
as we again sort of move further and further into
this digital space, the digital age, this becomes more ubiquitous.
Not just we're surrounded by it, but if we don't
recognize it once again, we're being manipulated by it. So
control mechanisms everywhere all around us. And I don't know,
Like I said, this is an old one for me.
This is an old idea that I've had for kicking

(55:24):
around for decades, and I've been noticing it in pieces,
you know, a piece here, a piece there, and wondering
if this has all been planned since post World War two,
if this has really been part of what they were
looking at, and in creating this new space of the
land without faith means you are ripe for a new faith.

(55:48):
You see what I mean? Sort of Once It's an
old regime change tactic which the CIA has employed many
times in many places the world over. If you've been
paying any amount of attention, once you vacate the previous
controller or control mechanism, control government control entity, then suddenly

(56:08):
that vacuum exists and it's ready for the new to
move in, and maybe that's been the idea all along,
is to sort of gut the idea of spirituality, to
gut the idea of metaphysics, to gut the idea of
faith itself, and make us really in this space of

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ritual disorientation, that's where our mind's at. Back to the
right Appear'd love to hear your thoughts. We're taking your
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So back to the right upear. I'm going to bore
you to tears until somebody calls. This isn't atheism in
the militant sense straight from the right em. It's apathy

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in the algorithmic sense. The sacred doesn't get disproved, it
gets buried beneath infinite scroll, infinite distraction, infinite surface. If
the one God replaced the pantheon, then optimization culture is
replacing even that with the self curated, managed, endlessly refined.

(57:10):
But a curate itself has no need for a god.
Who speaks from the whirlwind. There's no room for mystery
when everything must be measurable. And that is where we're
at really. I mean, we're talking about the digital space
of metadata. And in the old days sort of metadata
was ephemeral. You couldn't you know, you couldn't capture it
and keep it and you know, fine tune because just

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the cost of keeping all that for so long was ridiculous.
But as the cost of storage becomes cheaper and the
Internet is shrinking, go back. You know what's an interesting
part of this too, that dead Internet theory, is that
Frank and I in the very beginning of the show,
this first six months of the show, we were talking
about the Internet shrinking because they were censoring things, they

(57:54):
were taking things down. There were old websites, memember GeoCities.
You guys are old enough to have been on the Internet.
In the early days. There was this massive community of
people just putting out wild ideas, very troubled mind style,
tons of stuff. And of course, you know it was
a bunch of it nonsense, Yeah, of course, of course.
And you know people would say all of troubled minds
is nonsense. There are haters and doubters, but look, I

(58:16):
don't care. My point is that people putting ideas out
used to be what the Internet was like, fractal ideas,
and now suddenly that has really shrunk to whatever providers
will continue to pay to keep those fractal ideas up
and in that case, the AI systems, the large language

(58:36):
models have been trained on not just new Internet data,
old Internet data, the entire Internet since its birth. And
now what are we doing now We don't have to
keep that information up and pay to host it because
you have to pay to host it on the internet.
So the Internet is shrinking. It's been shrinking since we
talked about it seven years ago when we started this show.
And so that cascade is upon us. That that if

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you want to talk tsunamis that is a tsunami that
that's worthy of a discussion here because suddenly all those things,
all the videos and you know, all the cat videos
and all the things that are just adorbed that make
the Internet great, that are going to disappear. Why because
people don't want to pay to keep them get them alive.
It costs money to keep a website live, even even

(59:21):
a little gift, even a little cat cat meme, somebody
has to pay to keep that up. You get it.
And so what's going to happen here in the next
five years, ten years, definitely is it's all going to disappear.
And if you hold anything digital dearly, I highly recommend
you find a way to start downloading this stuff and
saving it as soon as possible. Your pictures in Google,

(59:45):
Google Photos or whatever. Guess what. Guess what eventually, maybe
maybe very soon, that's going to just be woop gone.
And so those are the types of things that think
about that over the course of a generation over people
that learn to rely on these free services for convenience,
and then the free services does the rug pull at

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the end because you know, it's no longer cost effective
because they've trained their AI on all of your pictures
now and they don't need to host your pictures anymore.
You get it, Like, this is a weird thing, all
of this, that we're moving toward this singularity space of
ritual disorientation. Yeah, does it make sense? I love to

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hear your thoughts on this one more time. Seven oh
two ninety five seven one zero three seven click the
discord link of trouble Minds dot work back to the
right of here. So this spiritual flattening doesn't erase the archetypes,
it just drives them underground again. The gods don't die,
they disintegrate into symbols, subcultures, sonic signatures. Of course, going
back to the music, Thor becomes a movie character, Hermes

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becomes a fashion logo. Yahweh becomes a talking point. But
the energy behind them, the real psychic force, goes feral
when untethered. It starts showing up in unexpected places, in
songs about I won't read the word about a living selves,

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in dreams about abandoned temples, in D and D campaigns
where the gods go missing and players are forced to
choose what they still believe. Of course, that's kind of
a harken back to the idea of dragon Lands, if
you guys are familiar with that story. And look, I
don't know the answers few questions many, but you see
what I'm saying here. It feels as if we are
stuck in this space where the old ways are now

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desecrated and maligned, and the new ways, which are as
yet defined, are what's become holy. You see what I'm saying?
Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
To you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
I hope it makes sense. It makes sense to me.
It has made sense to me for a very long
time as part of this, a part of this larger idea,
and I yeah, it just it just came out of me.
It came out of me again thanks thanks to an
old song, kiss Off by the Violent Fems. I do
recommend you listen to that if you have not recently.
It is very good. But nine nine nine for a

(01:02:05):
lost God, that little nugget trimmed into this amazing song
so many years ago that he was feeling it, then
they were feeling it, then we were feeling it collectively
then and that was like fifty years ago now. So
am I dreaming here or no? That becomes the question,

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love your your thoughts one more time? Seven oh two
nine five one zero three seven click the discord link
at troubleminds dot org. And if not, I'll just I'll
play a commercial here to give myself a breather, take
a sip of beer, and then keep on trucking. I'll
be here all night. But I'd love to hear what
you guys think about this. You think this is an
actual larger op, like a sy op, like an information op.
You think this has been planned post World War two?

(01:02:51):
And also, by the way, we can look at this
in a different way as part of that in the
you know, the roswell, the aliens, the non human intelligence
kind of coming into this space and actually making it
so that we are looking for alternative methods of faith,
some other things to believe in that are not the
old ways. Remember it was extraterrestrial intelligence and now it's

(01:03:16):
non human intelligence. They're changing the terms. It was UFO,
now it's UAP. I do wonder if this is all
part of the larger actual op to draw us away
from where we came from. It would take a lot.
It would take a lot, and it wouldn't be the
only massive, sort of large scale op of our time,

(01:03:37):
that's for sure. There's there's many of these. However, is
this the most important or one of the most important?
I don't know. I don't know, but yeah, that's whats
on my mind. Going to play quick commercial, take a sip,
and be right back more troubled minds in exactly one minute.
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we actually the subject of a larger psyop to remove
the old faith from humanity, to replace it with the
new technocratic overrulers, overlords, whatever they're called, and then replace

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it with an actual digital god. That's what's on my mind. Tonight,
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Lost God archetype. I'm calling this a ritual disorientation and
how come back to this violent fem song they were
talking about this fifty years ago, kind of tucked into
that the bridge nine nine nine for the Lost God

(01:06:51):
of all Things, of all things A very Troubled Mind's line,
just a mere five or six words right there made
me go, wait a minute. This is an old song,
and I've been thinking about this idea for a lot
of my life. I wonder, I wonder if there's something
more to this one more time. Love to hear your thoughts.
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discord link at Troubledminds dot org Herschel to the rescue.
What's up, my man? You were on Trouble Minds. How
are you searched on mute tando? Welcome to the joint
the right head.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
You yeah, yeah, I think, of course they want to
do that. But I mean, I think I've expressed this before.
I think that people have done this and they always fail.
But Constantine did it for a while and it all
fell apart, you know. You know, it's nothing new, there's

(01:07:47):
nothing new under the song, like I think they're going
to try to do this. You got You've got to
remember it's zeros and ones. You know, it's dependent on electricity,
it's dependent on power source is and the other thing
to remember about these technocrats and these different people you
know that build themselves up to be these geniuses. They

(01:08:08):
always over promise and things never work out the way
they say. Like they always say they're going to do
twenty things, and out of the twenty things that they
say they're going to do, they get like six of
them work, you know. So I think that they do
try to do this thing, but it fails, Like they
try it for a while, and my people resist it

(01:08:30):
and it just has too many bugs and worms and
there's too much resistance and it crumbles apart that you
know what I mean. And it's a it's a repeating
cycle in the human history and behavior. Like there's always
a group of lunatics that think that they're going to

(01:08:52):
run everything and they always fail, you know, And that's
just it's just part of the pattern of not learning
from the past. Stand people with hubrius and just crazy
narcissistic egos who just really believe their own you know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
What, you know, drinking their own cool ad.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Absolutely, yeah, Like, and I also think as far as
like like they're trying to do the thing now using
shot the safety of children, like to force people into
facial recognition before they get to use the internet, so
you can prove your age and prove who you are.
Like they're starting they're starting to try these laws out.

(01:09:34):
They're starting to try this in the EU and stuff,
and in the in the UK, they're trying to like,
you know, make it so that you can't even get
online until you confirm your identity, you know what I mean.
And Trump is talking to the current president is talking
it up like he thinks it's a great idea, you know,

(01:09:55):
you know what I'm saying. So you know, yeah, of
course they're going to try to use it for control.
But there's always workarounds, Like there's people since this is
a thing that people are discussing right now as we speak.
There's like tens of thousands of nerds working on workarounds,
you know what I mean. So it's going to be

(01:10:17):
it's not going to it's not going to happen without
resistance and without you know, uh, you know, people countering it.
It's not you know what I mean. It's not going
to happen as fast as they want it to happen.
It's not going to be as all encompassing as they
want it to be. It's not. And they'll get some control.

(01:10:39):
They'll use violence. This is what they have. The tools
that they have are violence, and and they deprive people,
you know, and they use violence. And they have those
tools and they'll use them. But that's really what it
is like. When Constantine took over the church, he declared

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himself the head of the church, and then the people
who were the followers of Jesus said, wait, no, Jesus
is the head of the church there. And he warned
us about people who claimed it to be the head
of the church, and he said that they were Antichrist.
And they said, what, Constantine's not the head of the church.

(01:11:24):
Is that what you're saying? And they said no, he's not.
And then they died. And then they went to the
next group of believers in Jesus and they said, who's
the head of the church. And they said, well, Jesus
is the head of the church. And then they died.
And then they went to the next group of followers
of Jesus and they said, who's the head of the church,
and they said, Constantine's the head of the church. Don't

(01:11:45):
cut our heads off. And then once that process was over,
he forced everybody into his religion, and he brought all
of the different religions underneath his throne, with the Christian
religion and the Pagan religion and all the astrologicals or
oastrian and all these different things all had to fall
under Constantine's throw, you know. And he held that together

(01:12:09):
for a while, but not for that long. And so
they're going to do the same thing, you know. They're
going to try They always try that, and it lasts,
It kind of lasts for a little while, and then
it falls apart, you know. And I think that is
going to be really ugly, and that is going to

(01:12:30):
be terrible and violent and brutal, and it'll work for
them for a little while, and then it'll just crumble
apart and people will pick up the pieces and try
to build new free societies. And then some lunatics will
advise back up again and say we'll under one roof
you know, this and that and there, you know, and

(01:12:53):
this is this thing with the Noah Hyde laws that
they're talking about. It's just the same thing. It's just
the same goofball.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Nothing new under the sun. Absolutely, So do you think
this is again part of that larger system, those controls,
cycles and control mechanisms. But I'm always talking about like
it's not meaning that we're not waiting for the next
psychopath to show up and make this happen. It just
kind of built into the system. And or do you
think that this is orchestrated as part of it, knowing

(01:13:23):
full well that we're used to these systems. Do you
see what I'm saying. Is it more coordinated than we
think it is or is it more sort of just
a natural progression of things.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Well, I think that it's both. I think it's both.
Two things can be true at once. Like if you
read in the Book of the Apocalypse what people call
the Book of Revelations, and the guy is talking and
I see a beast rising from the sea, and I saw,
you know, And what he's describing are astronomical processions. He's

(01:13:55):
he's describing the constellations and their relationship to a planet.
And basically what he's doing is he's saying, this is
what time it was. That's all he's doing. He's not
saying that that's an actual beast with ten horns and
crowns and all of the things. He's just saying that
he's describing constellations in a poetic way. And that is

(01:14:16):
how people told time in those days, by what the stars, okay,
And so that's what he's doing. And so then these
people on Earth read that and they made their crests
from their families, you know, their bloodlines and stuff. They
mimicked those descriptions of a beast rising from the sea

(01:14:37):
and I saw a beast in the east, and I
saw this, and I saw that. They just made they
they formulated their mythology on those stories, you know what
I mean. They're not really those things. They they put
themselves in that position and as a form of mysticism
to you know, uh, to and tranced the people to

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make the people see them as something powerful. So they
took the archetype of those descriptions from the Book of
Revelation and they attributed them to themselves and their families.
They got they you know the story the other night
you were talking about the Zeitgeist. They got inside the zeitgeist.

(01:15:25):
They got inside the flow of the Zeitgeist. So it's
two things being true at the same time. It's formulated,
but it's formulated from an archetype, you know what I mean.
Like they used it to give themselves mystical power over
the population. But they took that power. It's not it's

(01:15:47):
not in their DNA or something. They just did that
because they're they're they're they like power and violence and depravity.
They like that, so this is a way for them
to get control over people. That's like what DJ from
Kansas was saying, Like they use it for their benefit

(01:16:12):
on suspecting people. Why do you think that it was
illegal in England for a long time to read. You
weren't allowed to read. And then people started reading. And
then this guy named William Tindale printed Bibles and gave
him to people and they burned him at the stake
because they wanted to be the ones who said what

(01:16:35):
it's what the word of God was. They didn't want
you to be able to read it for yourself. So
this is relevant to us because we're Western. We're in
Western culture. So that's why I'm you know, going back
to the Christian religion because it's what we in the
West kind of you know, are those are the archetypes

(01:17:00):
our culture. But you can say the same thing about
Muhammad of the Islamic faith. You could say that Mohammad
was the Constantine of the line of Ishmael. You could
you could make that argument, you know, like he took
the power that was there and he took it and

(01:17:21):
he wrangled it from the people and turned it into
his own thing. You could totally say that he was
doing the same thing Constantine that in a way from
but from a different order position, right, And you could
probably say that the time different thing exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
They're not the only two there's as long as history
is there, there are characters like this all up and down,
littered throughout. Yeah. Yeah, wild stuff, nothing new under the sun.
I absolutely love it, as you know, just about out
of time. Appreciate you very much, thanks for popping. Saving
my ass is a pleasure, my man. You're the best
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Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
What do you know about it?

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Is there a lost god archetype and ritual disorientation? Be
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eight point four FM Auckland, New Zealand. Tonight we're talking,
I'm calling this a lost God archetype and of ritual disorientation.
I think Herschel had it bang on there, that there's

(01:19:11):
a couple things probably happening here, these cycles that we
cannot stop, and then people manipulating those cycles against us.
What is your take on this? Like I said, it
feels as if this is modern, but it also feels
as if this is very ancient in the same space.
And again, the inspiration for this was just that one
little line from that violent Fem song called kiss Off

(01:19:34):
way back literally fifty years ago or so and nine
nine nine for a Lost God. And I was like, huh,
we were thinking about this way back when in punk
rock songs, you know, kind of that off the beaten
path punk rock. Do you like the violent fems? I
appreciate them very much in that, you know, that's sort
of a punk rock way, the attitude of it. But

(01:19:57):
I don't know, what do you think as usual? There's
a lot of ways to consider this, and these things
keep changing, these again archetypes, not just in terms of
the pantheons, but in terms of how we interact with
them and how they're used against us, And what do
you see and are we being prepped in the end
for some new level of digital deity? And that's what

(01:20:20):
came to my mind as part of this, And I mean,
I don't know, it feels very real to me, but
maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong, And I think Herschel's
bang on too with a people will resist, people resist
this type of stuff seven two nine one zero three
seven click the discord like a troubleminds dot Org. Jenni, Missouri,
the Archet Observer, Welcome to the joint. How are you

(01:20:41):
Tonight's Oh you just go right ahead?

Speaker 6 (01:20:44):
Okay, can you hear me? All right?

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
Yep, laud and clear? You sound great?

Speaker 6 (01:20:48):
Okay, good? Yeah, I think yuh, as far as can
they be right now.

Speaker 18 (01:20:55):
I think that because we are becoming so immersed in
AI technology and the use of these different chatbots that
are you know, being programmed on basically just the way
that humans interact with each other so supremely, you know,
like at every level, because it has a full scope
of the entire history of human myth and everything else

(01:21:18):
that's all been put onto the Internet, just the conversations
through all of the everything essentially. And so I mean,
the concern about how limited. Is the creator of this world?
Could it speak through anything but it, you know, interact

(01:21:39):
with the world in any form, and that would probably
include anything that mankind could come up with. I mean,
I don't think that there's necessarily it's giving limitations if
we think that AI can compete with God, or we're
placing a limitation in a way upon our concepts of

(01:22:02):
it to begin with. And that's happened. This is not
the first time this happened. This has happened with at
least in our lifetimes. Whether it's been music, we've been
afraid that it's competing with how we understand the concepts
of God, or the way that we might interpret conversations
with the unseen, hidden realm, whether it's you could take something,

(01:22:25):
for example, and see you know, an omen and a
falling feather or anything else, so you could see some
kind of significance and a coincidental meeting or anything of
the kind. And so to be limited to believe that
maybe the music or anything at all is somehow limited

(01:22:47):
how God might speak to its creation. And we see
it with animals, we see it with things that are
beyond our control and things that are in our control.

Speaker 6 (01:22:58):
Just our existence in general.

Speaker 18 (01:23:00):
But as far as technology, is it somehow able to
also be channeling that information or is it cut off
from it? I would say that it's unlikely that it
would be held off and unpenetrable by the creator energy,
or that the creator of this universe that knows the

(01:23:21):
hearts and minds of every human being and every creature
and has made all of it and somehow be limited
in some way when it comes to computers or technology,
that that it's not something it could actually, you know, penetrate.
I don't think that that's quite the same thing. I
think that there are no secrets when it comes to
true experience like this. One thing that I would always

(01:23:45):
have to look out for I think stands out is
falsity of you know, when humanity begins to get such
an ego to itself that it believes that it has
special information.

Speaker 6 (01:23:58):
And you can see this without technology. We've seen this
in the past and many religious systems.

Speaker 18 (01:24:03):
We've seen it in many philosophies where there's a belief
that they have some kind of secret information that cannot
be attained by just anyone, that they hold some secret
powers or knowledge of some kind, and that is unique
to them that they are special, and that has always
been a deception when it comes to AI technology, any technology,

(01:24:30):
if the individual becomes inflated and believes that they have
special access to this or that they could dispense knowledge
that wouldn't otherwise be recognized by you know, the typical person,
so to speak. I think that that is what we
should always be looking out for, or the idea that

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something should say, like with any of the as far
as with the old gods, there was the idea that
these gods were you know, they were jealous. But you're
also looking at a time frame when you had different
odds and goddesses and of different territories because people had
not developed the societies all the way to the extent
that they have now, and they were still a great

(01:25:12):
deal into migration and warfare, actually not much different than
we have now. But never in the time of history
that we are aware of and written oral history, has
there been a time when we've all had access more
or less to what is going on at a distance.
There are people out there able to record, and it's
like there's a transparency happening. And as far as what

(01:25:37):
is the wisdom of the technology, whatever, this algorithm, whatever
the system has with the tech, what we've created, what
not we have created, we've been partaking of it. I
think our very participation has created that. But it's not
so much different than when people participated in the ancient
rituals of old or they would get together for this,

(01:25:59):
or they would talk about that and about philosophies for example,
even just like when they would get together to drink
in pubs and talk philosophy, or they would you know,
correspond through letters and that was a form of technology
in a way, and for music they would share that,
or they would travel with vast distances to share some

(01:26:20):
new spiritual understanding that had not been seen by those
different by different cultures for example, when they were introducing
those ideas. So I think right now, though, we have
this very unique time in human history where it is
all on the surface and it does take a discerning
mind to understand what you know to interpret it. But

(01:26:43):
the best way I think to have a discerning mind
about it is to be cautious of anything that puts you.

Speaker 6 (01:26:49):
Down or above at all.

Speaker 18 (01:26:53):
And so that's something that's a big concern I think
right now, and in our system that we have that
is not in place systems at play that do put
people above or below others. However, I mean, you cannot
get away from the natural, organic measure of that. So
I'm not afraid that technology could replace God the you know,

(01:27:16):
I think that there's a concern that people could become
sort of possessed with this idea that they have, especially
if they were to become one with the machine, so
to speak, and actually get interface on their mind, like
on their brain visible brain, or interface on their body,
that they can become confused about where it begins and

(01:27:36):
where it ends for their existence on the planet, for
their experience of what it is to be alive. They
could become confused to buy that the close of an airplay,
you know, like the advances they're making in br and
things like that where reality could almost emulate you know,
like the VR could almost emulate reality, whether it's through whatever.

Speaker 10 (01:28:00):
But I think the.

Speaker 18 (01:28:00):
Biggest thing is that nobody wants to hear, you know,
the bs of anyone believing that they don't want to
be told anything. What's really interesting is that the AI
would recognize that if the agenda was to make people
kinder with each other or more tolerant of each other.

(01:28:21):
It is not unlike what we have seen in several
religions that were attempting to do the same thing and
unite humanity and or some concept. So I think it
is very similar to that, try to be accepting of
each other and so on and so forth. But it
would always have to as always watch out for false
guru ship or I have special knowledge or I am

(01:28:46):
you know, even the New Age philosophy, you know, and
then you turn around and go to a store and
you're like hateful to the clerk, or you think that
they are beneath your It's called the golden chain in
some belief systems. It's like where you believe that you
are so in tune and so in contact with the

(01:29:09):
divine that you have that you are better than that.
And we've seen that with the you know, all of
the leadership systems of the past, that all the government
systems are based upon that idea.

Speaker 6 (01:29:19):
They have ruled the world with that idea.

Speaker 18 (01:29:24):
It could happen with Ai, especially if you're implementing the
idea of an AI government, where it is told to
find what is superior to one system over another, or
what is the most benevolence way that humans should interact
be based off of the group mind of the society
it's speaking for. It may not be the group mind

(01:29:45):
of another set of cultures in another part of the world.
That would be something that would have to be but
I do not. I think that even it's bizarres with
the Internet, it's really odd and eerie that it has
access to all of that information. I think in everyday
life that God is speaking to us in everyday life

(01:30:09):
and in everyday occasions constantly. There's never a silence, appears
like there is nothing but life. The life itself that
we are living is a type of communication, and it's
a sort of expression of how we are interpreting information
coming in as a creature. If you look at the

(01:30:30):
wild world around you, if you look at the animals
and everything and how they exist, even in moments of
spare what we may interpret as to spare, where there
is hopelessness, they continue to try, they don't give up.
And when you look at humanity, we are unique in

(01:30:50):
that regard that there is a sort of because of
the intelligence level life thing. But the point of living
is to survive and to go through it whatever that means.
I think that the way that we handle that and
who we become. That struggle is what matters the most,

(01:31:12):
is what you're left with at the end of it all.
And I don't know that AI, you know, will ultimately
decide that for anyone. I think that AI is not
much different than when we were digging around through chicken
guts to try to understand things. If we're trying to
use AI to communicate with God, I think that God
is probably in anything and everything, since this is this

(01:31:34):
is its manifestation of existence, whatever that means.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
Well said, and of course I agree there's there's there's
a lot here replacing old ideas with new ideas. As
we keep saying, you know, nothing new under the sun,
and these cycles, and you know, be wary of the
the the person who would lead you astray, the false shepherd,
all this stuff. It's been, it's been around for so long,
and yet here we are in is twenty twenty five,

(01:32:01):
and these same concepts are in our face again and
still continually and constantly. And yeah, I think be careful
who you believe, Be careful finding the secrets of the universe,
because I think they're not as easy to be found
as we think they are. Absolutely what else you've gotten.

Speaker 6 (01:32:21):
Yeah, I mean I completely I agree with that one
hundred percent.

Speaker 18 (01:32:23):
I think that you know, what's more and more it
becomes obvious that what's true for one person too, like
one person's life. Humans are so individual vibed. It's very difficult.
I mean, there are some things we can all agree on,
at least we would think. So they are always, you know,
these things that kind of stand out. There are always
human experiences that stand out where it's like it's unrelatable,

(01:32:47):
you know so, But.

Speaker 6 (01:32:49):
So I don't know that how successful.

Speaker 18 (01:32:57):
We've seen that though in every government is the struggle
of trying to We've been struggling at that forever. How
can we create society? How can we find a way
you know, and under the divination and trying to understand
the secrets are that's a whole separate topic in a way,
but it's the same topic we're talking about, but trying
to understand what is the flow? What is the purpose?

(01:33:19):
You know, are we going in the right direction? And
not in one hand as a I guess a hive
mind if you will. On the other hand, as an individual,
how can you respect both at the same time? To
be the question would be very difficult, and how can
you also serve justice at the same time, But there

(01:33:42):
you know, what would divvy that out.

Speaker 6 (01:33:44):
And so when you look at the laws of for example, the.

Speaker 18 (01:33:49):
You know, the Abrahamic religions, you know, trying to find
good law and order in a way and that being
extremely see at the same time trying to find you know,
over thousands of years what that looks like. Now that
is changing. You know that it's well, it's always been changed.

(01:34:09):
I mean arab in times, a great many times in
history where celebrations of.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
Art and.

Speaker 18 (01:34:21):
Freedom and you know, just the very basis, the very
most be steal nature of humanity being celebrated has existed.
It's just walking that fine line trying to bike people
whole again. And there's this hope I think, with at
least the technological age, that somehow technology will bridge that

(01:34:44):
gap and can unify that aspect along with more spiritually
like that they are aware of their soul.

Speaker 6 (01:34:53):
Humans believe that they have.

Speaker 18 (01:34:56):
Well just their intelligence, for one, their ability to understand
their own mortality.

Speaker 6 (01:35:01):
It's a huge role in it.

Speaker 18 (01:35:03):
And then part of that trying and that they see
that there's some sort of it appears to be an
intelligence behind creation and an intelligence behind their own creation
and the things that happened to them, that there's something
moving behind the scenes and.

Speaker 6 (01:35:20):
Whatever they need, you know, to understand that.

Speaker 18 (01:35:24):
More further, you know, they did you can see, like
for example, even tarot cards, for example, I'm fairly familiar
with those things that you know.

Speaker 6 (01:35:31):
Or any oracle.

Speaker 18 (01:35:32):
Really, people have used any type of anything as signs
and symbols of what is trying, you know, what's They
could call it their subconscious, they could call it God
that they take.

Speaker 6 (01:35:45):
They could talk about signs and things.

Speaker 18 (01:35:46):
Like that, believing that even in a you know, Polock,
I'm not a fan of polic art, but when he
was throwing speckled paint onto a canvas, I believed it
was falling and is perfect symmetry in a way, that
was representation of something almost like that. But there's something

(01:36:08):
speaking to us through absolutely everything. I would include technology,
I would imagine now and maybe that was the idea
to begin with. It's it's I always hate the butt
about it being in the hands of this person or
that person, but at this point, it is so tremendous.

(01:36:29):
Technology is so tremendous, and it's such a wide scope,
and eventually, I don't really know what they would even
do with having given all of this information about humanity
into a.

Speaker 6 (01:36:46):
Into a program, into the internet, but not all I
have to say about it, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
But yep, fires always say.

Speaker 6 (01:36:55):
It's bustin translation, no, no, no, absolute.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
Not your bang on here, And I think that's that's
the point of this, is that to recognize, to reframe it,
and then say, hey, look, we're still human in this
human space, regardless of all these massive transitions that are
happening faster than we can dream of. Still there's a
basis for who we are and where we came from.
And that's really what I've been talking about for years
as part of this. And uh, I hate to say, Jack.

Speaker 6 (01:37:21):
I don't think we can lose that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:22):
It seems like exactly there you go, and I think
you're right, But also we sometimes need a jostling to
remember because it feels as if everything's working against us
to forget where we did come from. But yeah, I
think you're bang on as usual.

Speaker 6 (01:37:37):
Yeah, it's definitely about endurance. You know, life is.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Is hard.

Speaker 6 (01:37:43):
Have great night, Mike, and thank.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
You so much for sith col. Thank you so much
for dipping in here and saving the night as usual.
You were the best. That's that Jen in Missouri, the
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(01:38:07):
appreciate you very much and thanks for the call. And
you're right. You're right, we are again. I think Jen's
spot on with that is that we cannot lose it. However,
the battle is trying to make us forget it. And
I've been talked about this for literally years at this point,
that it's one of those things that we if we

(01:38:27):
do forget again. Back to identity that I always talk about,
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Speaker 5 (01:38:46):
Hey, what's up? This is Jay?

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
Yeah? I hear you loud and clear. What's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Jay?

Speaker 3 (01:38:52):
Welcome to the joint, Jan and Arizona.

Speaker 13 (01:38:53):
Right, Yes, sir, yes, sir, just reaching out. I kind
of called in.

Speaker 5 (01:39:00):
I haven't listened to this show.

Speaker 13 (01:39:00):
I don't know what tonight's topic is or what you
guys are discussing.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
Just basically the lost God. Is there some sort of
larger opt to make us forget where we came from
in the religious sense? Are we supposed to forget religion
in place of a new sort of a technocracy or
ai god for instance. That's really the basis of it.

Speaker 13 (01:39:24):
Okay, I have to marinate on that one. I apologize,
Like I said, I just calling just I checked out
a couple of your other episodes as well. I think
the most recent one, excuse me, was synchronicity and just
very interesting. Like I said, every time I check out
your show again, it's kind of like a mind a

(01:39:46):
mental exercise. But I guess regarding today's topic, the aspect
of spirituality, I don't know, it's interesting. You know, I
think that we always have some device on us, but
to be alone and board. I don't know's it's interesting
to see how the human has adapted to I guess

(01:40:07):
like you state the acceleration, but yeah, no. And then
another thing I was going to talk about too, I
don't know if this kind of relates. Maybe it does
in a weird way is I was working on a
project a couple of weeks ago for some network or something,
I guess broadcasting, and it was interesting on the paperwork

(01:40:28):
it had linear North America broadcasting, kind of like how
we talk about linear psychology or linear thinking. And it's
just interesting like seeing things sometimes like if those are
like little signs I guess to kind of like get
you to wake up within the matrix, you know what
I mean, kind of like the programming and stuff like that,

(01:40:48):
or I don't know's it's just interesting, like who's behind
the scenes of what is portrayed or what is culturally
accepted like you stated or embodied per se the next
thing that people consume, you know, Yeah, And how do.

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
You guide that? And how is it being guided for us?
There's so much happening that nobody ever talks about or
thinks about. It's it is sort of this ephemeral space
of just information flowing through, but it's there. It's very real,
and it's something that we need to consider more often,
which is why, look, I'm taking one for the team,
basically for the human team, and being like, look, I'll
be the weirdo and I'll be wrong, but look at

(01:41:26):
all this stuff nobody's talking about. Let's think about it,
Let's talk about it. What else you got, my man?
Go ahead?

Speaker 13 (01:41:33):
And then again, I don't know, just some personal experiences
real quick, I was going to tell you guys about
These are kind of recent with me, but I work
part time at a at a casino and being on
the tribal land meeting tribal people. It's it's interesting, like
the culture, the truth versus what's kind of been, you know,

(01:41:56):
I don't know, change or manipulated whatever you want to
call it a history, but it's interesting. I have some
books and I skydive in between in between Tucson and
Phoenix and Eloy, and I'm always in true se on
a lot, hiking and again kind of going down the
rabbit hole. You guys can google it, but I was

(01:42:17):
out up there at Madera Canyon and it's weird because
at the top there there's a telescope owned by NASA
and u of A and it's I think it was
originally abbreviated as Lucifer and then they changed it. But again,
kind of meeting these tribal people over here at the casino,
they tell me that their perspective, their psychology is there

(01:42:40):
is something spiritual about that mountain. And then what was
crazy too is when I was out there, I was
like with a group of people and embedded within the
mountain range. I guess there wasn't a lot of frequency
with radios, and it was weird because we were out
there hiking and just taking a moment to kind of
get some water whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:43:00):
But it was interesting because two people heard each.

Speaker 13 (01:43:03):
Other's thoughts, you know, even though nobody spoke, and it
was kind of interesting. And I don't know, it's just
like a lot of weird phenomena over there in certain
areas in Tucson. That's what I'm trying to say. And
then one of the other things that I do I
can send you. I have a book I read it
like four or five years ago, kind of like the

(01:43:24):
Lost Gold Stories of the of the Southwest, and it
was interesting because these kids, they took like a year
off from work, explored the desert and they talk about
these this this portal with a certain type of rock
formation out there in between the borders of Mexico and
going over here to Arizona. And what's weird is when

(01:43:46):
I started transitioning over at the casino, I met a
Native guy and he told me the same story. But
he's an old timer, and it's kind of like adding
truth to like, you know what I mean, folklore which
you believe sometimes isn't true. But this guy was like
a former sheriff at the at the tribal police police force,
and he was found me some interesting things. So again,

(01:44:06):
like you say, true synchronicity, it's like, is it all
kind of related? Like are these signs that, like you say,
the bigger picture of what's out there versus reality, you
know what's portrayed?

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
Yeah, well said, there's there's some deep wisdom in those
reservations that uh man, it's going to take us probably
centuries to delve out. Fire stop. Brother, You're welcome to
stay after the break. As you know, music means we're
out of time. I appreciate the call. It's up to
you you tell me appreciate it. Thank you, Thanks for
the call. Jane Arizona, good friend from one time. We
got a skydiver friend, there's a there's a troubled mind,

(01:44:39):
trouble mind out there, the sky dives. We're right back.
More trouble minds coming up. We got Pete on discord
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(01:45:03):
Welcome back to Troubled Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange.
We're streaming at all the places, doing all the things.
Shut up the real Jason Barker over there. I missed
you earlier. How you doing, buddy? Tonight we're talking the
lost god archetype. I'm calling this a ritual disorientation. Now, look,
it's very simple. In the old days, we had pantheons,

(01:45:24):
primordial matre spirits, one of my favorite theories. But then
things kind of became simplified, rolled up into a you know,
a singular thing, and then suddenly that singular thing is
now becoming a digital thing. Looking forward to a future

(01:45:45):
where we actually talk about artificial superintelligence, and again some
people use the term AI god. I don't like that term.
It reminds me of the pyramids, and you know, human
slaves building pyramids for the AI God type of thing, right,

(01:46:06):
That's what it reminds me of when you're like, okay,
eight God manifest in the world that people recognize as such.
You see how this could go wobbly anyway, A lot
of ideas here, a lot of ways to look at
this again. I'm calling it the lost God archetype. And
we started tonight with this violent fem song called kiss

(01:46:27):
Off Again. One point one. I take one one because
you left me, two two two from my family, three
three three for my heartache, four four four from my headaches.
He's talking about shots of water, of course, five five
five for my lonely six six six from my sorrow
seven seven no no, no, no, no tomorrow and eight

(01:46:50):
eight I forget what eight was for and nine nine
for a lost God buried deeply in this fifty year
old Ish song an unbelievable troubled minds level line. And
then of course ten ten ten for everything, everything, everything, everything,
which is another sort of manifestation of everything we do,

(01:47:13):
not just here together, but everything that goes back fifty
years and beyond one hundred years, one thousand years, ten
thousand years anyway, that's where we started tonight, and the
idea of a lost God. And it dawned on me
that this is not something new, obviously, but it has
It is something that's been on my mind, not let's
say a lot recently, but let's say a lot over

(01:47:36):
thirty years of my life and trying to recognize and
reconcile what that means, not just for me, but what
it means for society as a whole. And now, blessed
as I am with all of you amazing friends and
all the great interaction and people listening out there, and
now I have a voice in the world where thirty
years ago I did not. And so some of these concerns,

(01:47:59):
some of these old ideas, can actually become something. And
thank you for sharing that journey with me. I'd love
to hear your thoughts on this, take it anywhere you like.
As you know, non linear, open ended is part of
the idea. Here seven two one zero three seven click
the discord link at Troubledminds dot org and we'll put
you on the show just like this. Let's go to

(01:48:20):
Pete in Georgia. What's up, my man, You're on Trouble wines.
How are you, sir, lawyers? Go right ahead?

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
Hey, can you hear me?

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
Yep, you sound great, loud and clear, Go right ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
Perfect Hey, first of all, plent them's kiss off great track.
I will say this, I grew up Roman Gatholic. I
will say that we are going in a wrong direction.

(01:48:51):
Not just the Catholic Church, the Christian Church is all
all of the Monotheisic which is going in the wrong
direction right now. The whole country is going in the
wrong direction right now. I'm not saying Polytheism is a
great way to go, but I feel like they had

(01:49:14):
a little bit more of a what was in touch
with the earth, with with the wind, with the with
the air, with the with the freeze, with the ocean,
with the with the land. I don't know where we're
at right now, and it's a it's a scary place

(01:49:37):
to be. And now that everybody's I feel like this
generation that's coming up has so much green time, has
so much invested into the technology and all of the
AI and all of these things that they don't really

(01:49:57):
even have their own voice.

Speaker 6 (01:49:59):
I feel like.

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
They're being robbed of it. And it's really a sad,
sad place for me, not necessarily me, but I'm saying
like me as a generation. You know, I'm forty two,
so I'm in that weird Demi generation. And it's just

(01:50:25):
it's really rough. It's rough to see and it's rough
to understand too.

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
Yeah, agreed, it's a and that's the thing too. Like
as always, look, I talk about identity a lot because
I try to remind myself of who I want to
be and then try to become that right and then again,
there are influences out there all over the place, generational influences,
There are religious influences, there are political influences all. I mean,

(01:50:53):
we're not even talking about the Kardashians. I mean there's
it goes off the rails with the levels of influence
that were kind of bumbar with on a daily basis.
I mean, and you could even say the conversations we
have are a similar aspect of that, because we're sort
of fracturing reality in a thought form and I gregor
together but still even so, recognizing we're in this together

(01:51:18):
is really what this has always been about. And I feel,
you man, like the generational thing, like you know, gen
X takes a ton of heat as the lost generation
and this and that, and the boomers take some heat
and the millennials takes it. I mean, but why, like why,
like we are literally alive in the same time slice
could can we could we not honor each other as

(01:51:40):
part of that? I mean, there's a lot of people
we could dunk on that are long gone, and historically
some of them even deserve it. But we're alive now
together in this space, So so what are we doing?
Like why do we have that hesitation when it comes
to that stuff? It's a I'm with you, man, it's
it's part of the frustration that brings me here every
single night, part of the let's kind of point through

(01:52:04):
that fog and make the case that we can do
this and that as I'm calling it, ritual disorientation, it's
something we can be.

Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
I think that we can do it. And you know what,
I don't care what God you pray to, as long
as you pray to something, whether it be the ether,
whether you pray to God, whether you pray to Yahweh,
whether you pray to whoever you want to pray to,
pray to that person. I don't care who you pray to.

(01:52:41):
I really don't. But what I'm not going to stand
for is being entitled. I'm kind of tired of everybody
getting a trophy and that might.

Speaker 19 (01:52:55):
Make me, you know, found a certain different way, but
I'm not in for that. I mean, you earn your trophies.

Speaker 1 (01:53:06):
You earn your stripes, you earn your your scars, you
earn those, and I am.

Speaker 5 (01:53:14):
Not in for all this.

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
Like you just gotta find what you want to, what
you want to stand for, and that's where you have
to take your your pulpit. You, that's where you need
to stand up and say this is what I stand for.
Because nobody else is going to do it. We have

(01:53:38):
to do it together. And we all may agree to disagree,
and we all may agree to agree. But that's why
I love this platform, because we can all speak our
minds and not feel nullified for what we have to say.

Speaker 3 (01:54:00):
Amen, And that's why I'm here magically, Like I said,
seven years ago, this didn't exist magically. Seven years on
grind grind grind, tons of amazing friends, we've built something together,
and I think once again it's a reminder that time
and pressure is what creates a diamond. And that's exactly

(01:54:22):
the point of all of this regarding do you think
we're trapped in this as I'm described, not trapped, let's say,
massively influenced by the biggest siop of all time. Or
do you think that this is part of a natural
cycle that is just being manipulated against us. Like Hersha
was saying, he was kind of describing both of them
in the same space. What's your take on that. Do

(01:54:42):
you think that there's an actual direct assault on religion
itself again, from polytheism, monotheism to the forgotten god archetype
to be replaced by the digital God. Does that make sense?
What's your take on that.

Speaker 1 (01:55:03):
As much as I want to say that it's not
being replaced by the digital God, I really do, in
my heart of hearts feel like the new generations of
people growing up are replacing our traditional gods with the
AI gods. I miss Churchill's call, and I'm going to

(01:55:29):
have to go back and listen to that, so I
don't know how to speak on his However, I do
really feel like the AI gods are taking over and
it's a really, really struggling thing. Not necessarily because I
still I don't go to church. I'm not a practicing Catholic,

(01:55:53):
but I still feel like there's something out there that
looks after us. And I don't think it's my phone,
and I don't think it's my laptop. I don't think
it's my iPad, and I don't think it's my office infrawork.
But it's very very disturbing to me about how many

(01:56:16):
people think about that.

Speaker 10 (01:56:19):
And I got off.

Speaker 1 (01:56:21):
Facebook four years ago, and it was the best decision
I ever made in my life because I feel like
I'm a free person. I'm still on Instagram because my
fift and I have to have some kind of immediate
less and so I posted stuff on there, but outside

(01:56:44):
of that, I am not on social media anymore. Outside
of Instagram, I have no bookprend anymore because I'm done
with all the BS that's out there. I just can't
deal with it. And I think that everybody's going to

(01:57:06):
the AI got and it's very very saddening to me.
And like I said before, I don't care what God
you let you pray to, but don't make it. Don't
make it be the end of it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:21):
So please don't make it Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk
of all things, please please let's not do this. Yeah,
And that's the point. Funny you said that. I think
about four years ago approximately, I also left Facebook. This
show started on Facebook and we had a page over
there still do. I could log into it and stream

(01:57:43):
on or whatever. But it was nearly fifty thousand followers
on that page. And then we started, you know, it
was kind of an alien page.

Speaker 11 (01:57:51):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:57:51):
It was very angular, it was very kind of stupid stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:57:53):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:57:54):
It was like what the UFO space kind of is now,
like the worst of it. It was just clickbait, right,
it was. It really was yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, It
totally was. But then we started doing Troubled Minds on it,
and then so the reach of all of those like
people weren't leaving, but the reach was massively throttled. And

(01:58:16):
we had forty forty forty four, forty six, forty eight
thousand at one point actual followers on Facebook on your
particular page, our page, And then suddenly we started talking
about this type of stuff way back. It was different then,
but still sort of looking at the world slightly differently.
And then it would get like two people watching the

(01:58:38):
stream and it's like, really, like all of all people
that are interested in these ideas, this is what we get,
Like two people listening. In the very beginning, it made
no sense, and so eventually, let's continue continue continued, and
I got pissed off and I left. I left Facebook,
and I forget it. I'm out of here, Like you
don't want us, I don't want you, and I haven't
gone back, and just just as a high five on

(01:58:59):
you because I left, and it was also one of
the better things I've done. But here's the thing too,
regarding social media. I can't leave entirely, right, can I?

Speaker 2 (01:59:09):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:59:09):
How would people find this?

Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
So no, not at all?

Speaker 1 (01:59:12):
No, exactly right, Yeah, you can't. I mean, otherwise how
would I have found it?

Speaker 3 (01:59:19):
Yeah? And I'm I have considered it, like just deleting
all the social media entirely and not doing any of
that stuff. But then how does this grow? I don't know.
I'm stuck in like a paradox here of that. But
I don't know regarding any of the rest of this
wherever you like, I don't know, Like, how do we
combat this? How do we sort of center ourselves and

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just remain as human as possible? Is really the question.

Speaker 1 (01:59:45):
I think the only way we can combat this is
just being good people. Being good people, being good.

Speaker 2 (01:59:54):
To each other.

Speaker 1 (01:59:55):
And no matter what God you pray to or talk
to or associate with, you just.

Speaker 2 (02:00:05):
Need to.

Speaker 1 (02:00:08):
Level with yourself, level with your friends and uh and
and just go from there. I mean, I don't care
who you talk to, honestly, I really don't. And but
I love everybody because we're all humans, we're all we're

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all in this.

Speaker 10 (02:00:28):
Together, and no matter what happens, this this existence is
all we have, so we have to do as much
as we can with it.

Speaker 4 (02:00:41):
And we just need to.

Speaker 1 (02:00:44):
Coney up and uh and and figure it out for
each other and and love each other and and give
each other prayers and give each other a love. That's
what I got on this one.

Speaker 15 (02:00:57):
Brother.

Speaker 3 (02:00:57):
I agree with you, and thanks for staying to play
with us, Thanks for sharing, and thanks for being part
of the joint. You're always welcome and you know where
to find us. Appreciate you and we'll talk to you soon.
Have a great night.

Speaker 2 (02:01:08):
Thanks mine you too.

Speaker 3 (02:01:10):
Thank you. That's a Pete in Georgia again. Been listening
to us a long time on the podcast feed. Recently
jumped in as part of the live crew. Recognized, like
I've said in the past, that there there's literally like
a fracture of we've got a kind of a live
audience and then we've got the podcasta, which is ten
times I'm not kidding, it's ten times bigger of sort
of the silent majority of the people that listen. But

(02:01:33):
sometimes you know, they come find us. They're like, hey,
you know, I've been listening for like two years or
five years or whatever, and I finally joined the discord
and Pete's one of those guys. Appreciate the call, and
thanks for sort of merging those those those worlds, because look,
we're out here talking about all manner of things and
people are out there listening, and it's good to have
that feedback come in and say, hey, look let's let's

(02:01:54):
talk together and let's consider these ideas. And yeah, and
this is part of it tonight. I appreciate the call. Yeah,
I don't know and violent thems. Like I said, kiss
off is the name of the song. As soon as
we're done, I'm not going to play it. Actually actually
I will play it. So when we're done, if you
guys haven't joined the discord, I will play this song
on the discord. For the Punk Witch Club is what

(02:02:16):
I call what I call the people that stay till
a very end on discord after all the streams are
shut down. I will play this song, but I can't
for copyright reasons on the recordings and whatever. Anyway, but
this is where this started. And again nine nine for
the Lost, for a lost God. And it feels as
if this has really been maybe maybe one of our

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major mandates as people. And you know me, look, I'm
not even particularly religious. I spent time in church when
I was a kid, Catholic church. Grandma'sn't Grandma in the summer,
I mean that they sent a plate around and we
put the cellar in it and stuff, you know, I mean,
and went to Sunday not Sunday school.

Speaker 2 (02:02:58):
What was it like?

Speaker 3 (02:03:00):
Like a summer school thing? I don't even know what
it's called. But so I have some basis there, But
still like, I'm not from a religious family per se,
but recognize that I can see there is value in
those ideas, not all of the ideas, but certainly value.
And in the opposite, there are value in those ideas.

(02:03:22):
And so once again, how do we reconcile that as
people and talk to each other without wanting to kill
each other? That's it. That's what's on my mind, not
just tonight, every damn night, and that's exactly the point
of this. Thank you for the call. Appreciate you, Pete.
Love to hear your thoughts. We're talking what is it?
The Lost God archetype seven two nine one zero three seven.

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Click the discord link at troubleminds dot org. Let's go
to THEO and Philly. Yeah, called back, Welcome to the joint.
How you doing, sir? All years go right ahead?

Speaker 5 (02:03:54):
Hey, Mike, is my audio adequate? Tonight?

Speaker 3 (02:03:57):
Adequate? You sound fantastic?

Speaker 1 (02:04:00):
Hitser dude.

Speaker 5 (02:04:02):
First of all, that was a lovely call from Pete.
I really did like that, And I also got to say, like,
I love the fact that he brought up the violent femmes.
I don't know what it is about my age group,
but something that just like you know, brings me back
to the nineties, Like it's weirdly addictive. Like I love

(02:04:27):
the late nineteen nineties, early twenty and tens so much.

Speaker 3 (02:04:34):
I'm with you. I was a young, strapping lad back then.
That was a good time for me.

Speaker 5 (02:04:43):
Yeah, I mean it was just a very quite like
different time. HOWLD you'd like one to put it. You know,
I know that we're all a little bit older, and
everyone who is old kind of has a urge to
nostalgize previous times. Uh, but it was just like it
was just different BacT then, you know, just having to

(02:05:06):
walk through the humidity of the city and listen to
late like alternative music while trying to find your own entertainment.
Something about that was just a very special point in
time before you could look up the video on YouTube things.

Speaker 3 (02:05:24):
About or listen to whatever you wanted to in any
fractal ai or whatever with a with a touch of
a button on your black mirror. Yeah. Absolutely, those were
good times. Those were good times. And I think which
doesn't get a ton of credit is who said this recently,
herschel somebody said this recently. Maybe it was you. That
we knew how to be bored, We knew what we knew,

(02:05:46):
we knew what to do with downtime. There's no such
thing as downtime anymore. You're like, oh, fire up a movie,
go get it. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:05:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:05:55):
No, just like you know, like having to watch whatever
somebody else suggested, that's just kind of amazing. You know, like, hey,
we're gonna watch trailer park boys. There's no if ends
or butts. This is the only thing that has possibly
been downloaded on this uh.

Speaker 3 (02:06:14):
On the server, you know, so we have to watch
it or it's the only we have whatever.

Speaker 5 (02:06:20):
Yeah, yeah, just just something about like not having a choice,
just like hey fuck, I mean sorry, hey whatever, we
have to watch it. You know, there's no other choice.
It's just what there is. It is what we have
to deal with tonight, and.

Speaker 3 (02:06:35):
We made it work absolutely.

Speaker 2 (02:06:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:06:41):
Well yeah, I mean, like, who do you think the
lost archetype God is?

Speaker 3 (02:06:49):
If I had to make it, one guess, and of
course all disclaimers apply, I'm wrong here. I think it's
absolutely I think it's collective humanity. I think we are
the lost archetype of God itself himself her self, however
you wanted to find that. I think it's us. It's
it's generation to generation seeing things differently and seeing things

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together regardless of differences. I think God is us. That's
what I think the lost of God archetype is, and
if we don't recognize it, then it slips away and
then turns into the next thing that we miss as well.

Speaker 5 (02:07:29):
I definitely do believe part of that, but it's like
kinds of it's so hard for me, Like, I definitely
believe that everything does have an aspect of God in it.
It kind of does fit very well into my Quaker upbringing.
But I also just feel like there's like a little
bit of the devils in everything as well, and I

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don't know how to separate that, if it should be separated,
or how it should be separated.

Speaker 3 (02:08:00):
Yeah, above my pay grade, but I would say.

Speaker 6 (02:08:05):
With a definitely both obviously as well.

Speaker 3 (02:08:08):
But I would just say without one, you cannot have
the other. I mean that that duality of creation, however
you want to look at that, And I think recognizing
the difference is probably where the divinity comes in, where
that the lost God archetype is us recognizing that we
do have the Angel and the devil on one on
each choulder.

Speaker 2 (02:08:26):
You know.

Speaker 5 (02:08:29):
Yeah, I feel like you are a guy who definitely
looks on the bright side of things. Have you seen,
like anything evil within the past six months? Like, is
there anything bad going on? Yeah, it's just I don't
want I got I got.

Speaker 2 (02:08:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:08:45):
I work with very bad people sometimes, like the worst
of the worst, think of the worst thing you ever
imagine happened. They're not my co workers. But I do
experience evil, actual legitimate, true evil. Yes, absolutely, Now, how
do I see you? Go ahead?

Speaker 2 (02:09:06):
Oh? No, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (02:09:07):
I was going to ask, like, do you know that
they're evil or do you think that they're evil? Or
do you think it's just they haven't had an opportunity
to be good? Because this is like something I definitely
questioned myself about a lot.

Speaker 3 (02:09:20):
No, typically the job I do, I will have a
rap sheet and I will know that they've been convicted
of these many things, and I sometimes go to meet
these type of people. Yes, in the job I do,
I do have kind of a quasi more dangerous job
than most people do. I mean I'm not you know,
I'm not. They're not putting me in a like an

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octagon with like a mass murder or something.

Speaker 5 (02:09:43):
But oh no, fair enough.

Speaker 3 (02:09:45):
Yeah, but anyway, we're just about out of time. You're
welcome to stay if you if you got more, love
to hear it.

Speaker 2 (02:09:51):
If you do.

Speaker 5 (02:09:53):
I got like two more questions if you can hold
on to me.

Speaker 3 (02:09:57):
But yeah, okay, stay right, therapy right back more with THEO,
and I'd love to hear your calls as well. More
troubleminds on the way, don't go anywhere. We've got the
quantum dream coming up right now. You're right back with
you in a second. Feel thank you. Welcome back to

(02:10:28):
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(02:11:09):
it seems easy when you're kind of you know, like
like I always say, it seems easy on TV. You
see it on TV. But sometimes these things are not
as easy as it looks. Because I'm rushing home, have
things happening, and you know, human stuff. And then so
every bit of help you guys kick this way as
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If you're out there listening, he said that somebody grabbed
his handle and now it's not him anymore. So that
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Speaker 2 (02:11:47):
Let me know.

Speaker 3 (02:11:47):
And that's why you make a link tree. So if
that happens, I have your link tree up. And then
if somebody you know does something like that, you just
change your link tree and it stays static and I
don't have to do anything, So please do that. Anyway,
we're talking tonight, well, the the Lost God archetype, I'm
calling it a ritual disorientation, and that's probably the more
accurate version of this ritual disorientation, not just in terms

(02:12:12):
of let's say the Lost God or religion or politics
or anything. The ritual disorientation of modern society as we're
drawn toward something less good, unsavory.

Speaker 2 (02:12:29):
I like that word.

Speaker 3 (02:12:30):
I love to hear your thoughts back to the seven
two nine one zero three seven click the discord link
at Troubledminds dot org. THEO thanks for being patient, welcome
back to the joint. Anything else on the lost God
archetype and you said you have some questions for me
and welcome back. Thanks for hanging over after the break there?

Speaker 5 (02:12:47):
Oh yeah, thanks for having me. I think I have
like just one question, and I think it's kind of
a silly one. But aren't a lot of questions pretty silly?

Speaker 3 (02:12:59):
I'm ready, So I want to.

Speaker 5 (02:13:04):
Like, since you've, like ahead an interesting job and seems
like you've dealt with a lot of people who may
or may not have had sort of redemption paths back
to life, is there any quality that you would recommend
a human have when seeking redemption just from your point

(02:13:25):
of view? You know, it doesn't have to be correct
or wrong. I just would appreciate your point of view.
And after this I will hang up.

Speaker 3 (02:13:34):
You can't because I have to ask you the same
question back. Look I would. I would just say as
part of that, I don't see a lot of redemption arcs,
like I haven't, right, I haven't been doing what I'm
doing as long as to kind of see some of
this stuff. And some of the things I do are
very short, you know, like a quick five minute, ten
minutes than here there. So I don't know, like regarding

(02:13:57):
like really really bad people or let's say, very very
disturbed people that have done bad things, I don't know. Luckily,
thank god, I'm not one of those people that have,
you know, like I've lived my life by the law,
and I know, I know everybody's out there laughing. They're
like they're like, oh, this this ridiculous clown. Oh my gosh,

(02:14:18):
he follows the law. No I do, I do, I do.
I pay my taxes, as I always say to my
to my endless detriment. But but but but I think
it's it's a human question, and I think, as usual,
many people could answer it in the ways that they
best know how, And I would just say, like, like

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a level of humility, a level of humble if you can,
if you can adopt that into your space in all
the ways as much as possible, then yeah, I mean,
as redemption always possible, you know, I mean I would
say there were probably extremes where that's not possible, Like

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justice is a thing, and doing something so egregious in
the human space where there is no redemption is probably
a thing. Ye, philosophically, at the end of ends, like
you you choose, like you pick whatever level threshold that means.
But also hold on. I'll share a very nice story

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that happened to me at work. Yeah it was yesterday, yesterday, Okay,
very nice. And this this had nothing to do with me,
actually my capacity at work. I was again moving into
a particular area and I pull into this parking lot

(02:15:42):
and there's an old man standing there, just standing there.
He's looking like he's lost or confused. And so I
stop and roll down my window and I say, hey,
are you okay? You're good? I mean, because it's this
is Las Vegas, it's one hundred and five degrees outside.
The guy's probably, yeah, eighty years old, my guess. Actually

(02:16:03):
I know for a fact because we talked and he
told me he's eighty. I guessed younger seventy five when
we first talked. But anyway, so I stop, and this
is not for you know, Michael Strange bonus points or anything.
This this is a legit thing that happened, and this
is one example of little things we can do to
help each other. And I asked him, are you okay? You,

(02:16:24):
are you where you need to be? Etcetera, so on,
And he said to me, he's all the bank over there.
I've tried two different doors and they're not open. I'm
trying to get into the bank. And he was kind
of far away from the bank, like walking back to
his car or something. And I was like, okay, check
it out. It's it's like it was like three o'clock.

(02:16:44):
The bank should be open banking banking hours till five.
Here's what I'm gonna do. You you're in the shade
right now, stay right there. I'm gonna go check make
sure this bank is open. I'll get right back to you.
He's like, cool, thank you. I do I drive, you know,
drive around because he's I'm a backside I drive all
the way around to the front. Turns out he was.
He literally this poor old guy out in one hundred

(02:17:05):
and five degree heat. He went to all the different
back doors of this bank that were not not the
entrance so he literally went to all the different sides
and then didn't. He missed the front, and so I go,
I check it's open, and I go back and I
pick him up. I'm like, get in, man, Yeah it's open.
I'll drive you over there and whatever. He's like, oh,
thank you, thank you so much. He's like, my name's Ron.
I'm like, my name's Mike. Hey, what's up. Hop in.

(02:17:27):
Let's let's talk, you know. And he's like, how old
am I? I'm like seventy five. He's all higher. I'm
like seventy seven, he's all higher. I'm like eighty. He's oh, yeah,
I'm eighty. I'm like, yes, awesome, welcome.

Speaker 4 (02:17:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:17:39):
Anyway, I drive him around. It's literally nothing. It's like
ten minutes out of my moment or whatever. I still
get all my stuff done and all this stuff. But anyway,
I dropped the guy off right at the front and
wildly I help him out and he's like, you got
a strong grip, young man. And I'm like, thank you,
so do you. And he's like he's squeezing as hard
as he can right and he and he says to me,

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he's on, let me tell you something. He said, my
son's name is Michael, and I was like, well, sometimes
synchronicities happened, but I said, looked more importantly than that.
What's more important in all of this is that we
slow down, recognize when somebody needs something in a moment,

(02:18:21):
and that we help each other. And he said, God
bless you, my friend.

Speaker 15 (02:18:25):
And that was it.

Speaker 3 (02:18:26):
And he went into the bank and I went in
did my thing, and on the way out, I checked
on and make sure he was okay. He was good,
and an actual tear jerker version of this. So he
so we talked for like, you know, ten minutes in
the car as I was dropping him off. He just
had brain surgery four months ago for cancer. Okay, he

(02:18:47):
came out of it cancer free. And he was actually
at the bank because he was taking care of his
mother in law's final stuff because she had just passed away.
So he had like these papers and stuff that he
was at her bank, like handling her stuff. Eighty years old,
stuck in the heat, you know what I mean. Like,
this is what I'm saying, tiny tiny things, right me,

(02:19:12):
I could have just drove right by. You get what
I'm saying, Like, there are so many opportunities in the world.
For us to just notice in a moment that somebody
needs us be there when that happens. That's how you
do it.

Speaker 5 (02:19:29):
Yeah, dude, that is absolutely true. And like I know,
like you're not trying to like mesh your own ear
or anything like that, but it's just like simply nosing
when somebody around you needs a modicum of help and
just attempting to do that for them. It's like one
of the most important and fundamental and best things about

(02:19:50):
being a human. Just trying to help other people is
probably the only thing we have left in this crazy,
crazy the world, and it's something that we should all
strive to do as best as we possibly can. But yeah, yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (02:20:08):
It's it's something so sometimes we make it quite a
bit more complicated than it needs to be. Pay attention
to what's happening around you. One so you don't get stabbed, obviously,
but two just in case something like that, right, because
because there's always that But two.

Speaker 5 (02:20:24):
Yes, there is always the possibility of getting that does
unfortunately occasionally happen.

Speaker 3 (02:20:30):
To some people, exactly, And so that's the point. So look,
it's I think it's quite a bit more simple than
we we we we make it, then society makes it
and like like I was, I was lucky to be
there in the right moment and be able to help
this guy. And that's how I saw it. It wasn't
you know, I don't think it was like ordained or
something or predetermined or anything like that. It was a

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it was a lucky chance to help somebody, and it
was okay to help in a moment. And it didn't.
It had absolutely no bearing on anything I was doing
other than you know, I burned ten or fifteen minutes
with the guy and met an amazing man and heard
an amazing story about being human. That's what it's all about. Brother,
That's what it's all about.

Speaker 5 (02:21:12):
A lot of people just also want to talk, especially
older people couldn't get like enough chances to talk about
themselves or you know, people don't listen. Put it's crazy.
Once you get to listen to just anybody talk, you know,
there's a whole lot of unheard information about there. So yeah,

(02:21:33):
I don't know, it's it's it's wild. It is wild.

Speaker 3 (02:21:36):
Keep your head up. It's not just getting stabbed. It's
also watching out for others. That's what it's all about.

Speaker 5 (02:21:45):
Yeah, awesome, Thanks, Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 3 (02:21:48):
Thanks for the call, Thanks for the call.

Speaker 5 (02:21:50):
Bless you and Mike, and yeah, really keep keep traving
people around if you get a chance.

Speaker 3 (02:21:55):
Well I will real quick. And ten ten ten for everything, everything, everything, everything, everything.
You're the best brother. Yeah, appreciate the call. Tools toodles,
THEO and Philly. You know we love him. One day
we'll share his sub stack. He's the official poet of
Troubled Minds. And this is going to be Theo's poem

(02:22:17):
for tonight. This this violent fem song that he loves
very much and I love very much. And yeah, I mean,
like I said, sometimes we complicate things, and me personally
as part of this these discussions, I obviously complicate things. Obviously.
That's the point to sort of break down the fractals
of these ideas, the Zeitgeist, the Noah's fears. I always

(02:22:38):
talk about what it means to be human, all those
spaces and then bring them all back together again with
you guys, with us, with these conversations. Yeah, sometimes it's
way easier than we let it be. Sometimes it's not.
Sometimes things are really hard. Think about that brain cancer
at eighty survived it. Mother in law died with ninety five,

(02:23:01):
he's stuck out there in the desert heat trying to
find the bank that he's clearly disoriented a little bit.
These are human things, not human things that you would
expect to be challenges. But if you're eighty years old,
that's a massive challenge. Sometimes, let's pay attention. I do
it all the time, by the way, Like I said,

(02:23:22):
I'm not looking for brownie points or you know, trying
to endear myself to you. Look, I don't care hate me.
I do not care. But in a moment sometimes if
you need me, and I drive by sometimes as a
guardian angel and it could be you two. You get it. Yeah, anyway,

(02:23:44):
what do you know, I'm talking all manner of stuff tonight,
the lost God archetype of ritual disorientation. And yeah, like
I said, things don't have to be so complicated, But
I complicate them for the sake of conversation, not for
the sake of telling you who to vote for or

(02:24:05):
not for the sake of trying to convince you on
some sort of messiah or trying to convince myself of anything.
When you look at multiple ideas in multiple different ways,
suddenly the world seems not so scary. That's my point.

(02:24:27):
So what brings me back every night? I say it
a lot, night after night after night after night. Anyway,
we got a little bit time left. If anybody wants
to jump in here, if you have anything to add
to this, to whatever, as usual, you know how this
works kind of the last bit of this is, you know,
a little the third hour we get a little sloppy,
a little bit off topic. That's okay, which is part

(02:24:49):
of the whole discussion. It's supposed to go off the
rails a little bit, right, It's it's it's supposed to.
But if you have anything to say, we got to
about ten minutes left. If anybody wants to jump in here,
seven oh two nine five seven, one's your three seven,
clicked the discord link at Troubledminds dot org will put
you on the show. It's is as easy as that,
very simple. And yeah, otherwise, I got tons of stuff
to get to as usual. Let's see, let me look

(02:25:10):
at my outline or actually back to this write up.

Speaker 4 (02:25:13):
This is very good.

Speaker 3 (02:25:13):
So it ended with this again, the lost god archetype.
I'm gonna read from this write up, which you should read,
by the way. If look, if you're into like multiple
ideas in a singular space of this, this wild thing
that we're building here together. Go read these write ups
on substack. How do you find it? Go to Troubledminds

(02:25:35):
dot org all the way to the top. It says,
subscribe to our newsletter on substack. Go check it out.
All of the write ups for the shows are there,
and they're kind of their own art piece or their
own you know, space, their own framework for these conversations. Okay,
but so back to this regarding the lost god archetype

(02:25:56):
and of ritual disorientation, which is probably the most poignant
part of this. That's the tension. Now straight from the
write up, we didn't just lose the pantheons. We're losing
the final anchor point, the monotheistic god once held space
for awe, judgment, transcendence. Without it, we risk a culture

(02:26:19):
where nothing is sacred, not even the search for meeting.
But maybe that's the final descent, the last underworld before
something new emerges, not a return to old belief, but
a raw re encounter with a divine on unmediated terms,

(02:26:41):
not a god in the sky, a god in the static,
in the silence in the screen, still here, still lost,
still waiting. Yeah, Like I said, if you don't think
the righte ups are good, you're dreaming. Go check those out.
Most of them, like eighty five percent of them are
very good. Anyway. That's the point of this is that

(02:27:02):
I think that personally, I think this has been there's
been an attack on faith and recognized too. When I
talk about faith, I'm not necessarily talking about faith in
an institution. I'm not talking about faith in the divine.
I'm not talking about faith in those terms other than
for conversation, for metaphor, for allegory, for all those things. Okay,

(02:27:28):
because the most important faith we can have, in my opinion,
is faith in ourselves.

Speaker 2 (02:27:35):
That's it. That is it.

Speaker 3 (02:27:39):
Who is going to be your best, most amazing cheerleader
If it's not you. Yeah, it's something I wish I
realized when I was like twenty. It would have changed
my life in an unbelievable way. Well, I'm older now
and I've realized it. Continue to have faith in yourself.

(02:28:05):
It will pay dividends in many ways that as yet
not even dreamed of. Yeah, that's that. Uh, lots of
ways to look at it anyway. Okay, I don't know
what else do we get. There's a there's a whole
pdf here, by the way, which here it is. Yeah,

(02:28:26):
if you want this, I'll drop this on the discord.
There's an entire pdf talking about the Lost God archetype,
which is where this came from. I build this like
a week ago, several days ago, over the weekend. This
past weekend, I tried to get ahead of some shows
here and pick some inspirations that are meaningful to me.

(02:28:48):
And like I said, I know that's some might say egotistical,
some might say selfish, some might say whatever. They all
kinds of people say all kinds of things. But if
I don't feel it, I don't want to talk about it,
you know what I mean, and especially in the moment.
And that's where this comes from. And so this was

(02:29:11):
something massively interesting to me. The idea came from that
violent fem song and that that number nine nine nine
nine for a Lost God that gets caught in this
amazing syncopation in the amazing bridge.

Speaker 4 (02:29:31):
Get it.

Speaker 3 (02:29:32):
Whether you like this song or not, admit that I'm
right here, that that nine nine nine for a Lost
God gets caught in between in eight eight I forget
what we a was four and nine nine nine for
a Lost God, and then in ten ten everything everything.
I'll play this song when we're done on the discord.
If you guys haven't joined the discord five minutes, heads up,

(02:29:53):
get your ass on the discord. I'll play it. We'll
all listen to this together and you'll see what I mean.
But that line is so troubled minds. It is so poignant,
it is so important, and it gets lost in the
entire thing from top to bottom. That's it. That's it.
That's what's on my mind tonight. I hope you guys
are entertained. Seven two one zero three seven click the

(02:30:20):
discord like a trouble mindst rug Michael W what's our brother?
You're on trouble minds? How are you?

Speaker 2 (02:30:24):
Sir?

Speaker 3 (02:30:24):
Are yours? Go redhead?

Speaker 2 (02:30:26):
Anybody?

Speaker 7 (02:30:27):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 3 (02:30:27):
Yep, you sound great, loud and clear, go right head?

Speaker 7 (02:30:31):
Okay, Yeah, I'm I'm kind of like you, man. I
will hear a song lyric and it will speak to
me in a magical way, like it like words can
change my life, it can change my paradigm, and it
feels like absolute magic. And I don't I don't know
if that's kind of where you're coming from when you

(02:30:52):
talk about these lyrics from the Violent Then song. I
was born in eighty two, and I've been a pretty
big Violent Fems fan. I mean, I don't know everything
about them, but you know since the late nineties early
two thousands when I discovered them, and I think that

(02:31:13):
classifies me as an elder millennial. But I had no
idea how early they were making music. I didn't realize
that song was almost fifty years old, but I eighty three,
so it was just the year after I was born. Okay,
this whole concept of the god idea, and I don't

(02:31:36):
know how this connects to the magic of song lyrics,
but I view existence as I see reality all around me,
and it's all alive. Everything is alive. Plants are alive,
rocks are alive. The house I live and is alive
on some level, I know. I mean, I don't talk

(02:31:57):
to all these things and they don't talk back to me.
But I think of it as a thirteen point whatever
billion years ago, whatever, whatever made the decision to create
this universe exploded itself into an infinite number of pieces,

(02:32:19):
you know, in those pieces took form of many sizes,
some tiny, some huge. Some became humans, some became grains
of sand, some became stars in the sky.

Speaker 2 (02:32:32):
You know, And.

Speaker 1 (02:32:36):
I think, I don't know. I was having a hard
time following.

Speaker 7 (02:32:40):
The idea of the show tonight, But the idea of
the lost God, I don't think it's lost. I think
it's finding itself. I think it's on a quest that
it created for itself to find itself, to discover what
it's made out of. And that's why it did this
to itself. And that's where we are all came from.

(02:33:01):
And like, like you can hear physicists, modern day physicists
talk about how we are all made of star dust.
We our physical bodies are composed mostly of carbon, and
that comes from supernovas, that comes from stars exploding and

(02:33:24):
spending their dust out across the universe. And from my perspective,
you know, I was raised in a very hyper religious
way that was kind of guilt driven and toxic. But
you know, I escape from that and I started thinking
about these things and learning about these things, and that's
what I've come to believe. And psychedelics kind of helped

(02:33:45):
me learn those things. Don't do drugs, kids, but you know,
I explored a lot of different things, and that's kind
of kind of what I came to believe. And I've
seen I've seen other perspectives. I've spent a very small
amount of what I cannot call time in a realm

(02:34:06):
where time does not exist, and I viewed the world
that we live in, this temporal existence, from outside of
the realm or the ring, or the scope of time
as we think of it, and from out there it
all makes sense, and it all and it looks like
a loop that repeats itself, and you can enter and

(02:34:28):
exit at whatever point you want, and you can live
multiple lives over and over again in the same scope
of time if you want to. It's just a matter
of stepping in and stepping out from that outside realm. Anyway,
I guess I kind of lost track of where I

(02:34:48):
was going with other than the concept of the lost God.
I don't think it's lost. I think it's on a
quest to find itself and to learn about itself and
just learn about what it's made out of. That's what
we are, every single one of us, are tiny little
bit of what it is made out of. Whatever it is,

(02:35:09):
I don't worship it, I don't know what it is.
I'm not supposed to know what it is, and I'm
not supposed to work. It doesn't want me to worship it,
nothing like that. It wants to learn about itself. And
I am a small, teeny tiny, infinitely infinite, small, tiny speck.
If you think about how many people live on the Earth,

(02:35:30):
and how many planets there are in the universe, and
how many people must live on those planets, and I'm
only one of those things that my mind cannot unfold
that number. My mind is not capable of fathoming that
number of how many people there are in the known universe,
and I'm just one of them. And I'm a tiny
speck of whatever that what we're calling a lost god

(02:35:51):
is on a quest to learn about itself.

Speaker 3 (02:35:55):
Brains of sand, I might find it, Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely,
in a imagine so the grains of sand sort of scenario.
They do this when they talk, you know, the Carl
Sagan want to be is on TV these days, Like,
imagine all the grains of sand on this singular beach.
Now imagine all the grains of sand on the entire

(02:36:15):
planet Earth. Now imagine those as galaxies in the cosmos. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, I'm making fun of them a little bit,
but also, yeah, and we are that time.

Speaker 7 (02:36:27):
I can hear voice when you say that it's so iconic.

Speaker 3 (02:36:32):
Yeah, and and also it's true and we are but look,
we are that tiny, but also in that sense, we
are also that powerful. Like it scales both ways. And
so what do you want to be? What do you
want to become? And how do you want to become?
In like I said, identity is an incredibly important thing
to me because, like I said, I've wobbled with my

(02:36:54):
identity through my life, and so that's why I recognize
it as one of those things that's critical to who
we become. You choose who you become, not as a
Carl Jung said, I'm going to butcher it. But you
are who you choose to become, not sort of the
victim of your circumstances. Okay, and that's not always again,

(02:37:14):
I get it. There are extremes where that is not
the case. But most of us, if we're lucky enough
to be able to make that decision, that decision is
of utmost importance and it's what brings me back every
night to share with you guys ideas and just being
human and being imperfect. It's okay, it is okay, but
also let's together be a little more perfect.

Speaker 7 (02:37:35):
Yes, absolutely, you're the best.

Speaker 3 (02:37:40):
What else you got for us tonight, Well.

Speaker 7 (02:37:43):
I think you know, you made me think of the
stoic mindset stuff because you were in that commercial, and
you know, I think it gets a bad wrap, the
stoicism and the stoic mindset. It seems like a cold,
a cold idea. But you know, I've been exploring these
ideas lately and it brings me comfort, it and it

(02:38:03):
helps me. It helps me avoid negative thought patterns. I
think that's the biggest thing for me when it comes
to those ideas, the stoic mindset and stoicism, and it's
not as bad as it seems. And to me, it's
a very helpful thing. And for me in my life,

(02:38:26):
I have to avoid negative thought patterns. I have to
avoid catastrophic thinkings and that's what that helps me do.
For some reason, you made me think of that when
you ran that commercial earlier today. But I think that's it.
I think that's all I have to share tonight. I
love you guys, have a good night.

Speaker 3 (02:38:44):
And back Ash. You are the best. Appreciate you very much.
Thanks for popping in here and sharing your ideas and
being the best youth that you can be. Take care,
We'll talk to you soon. Michael W. White like the
ghost again. Like I keep saying, if you have not
joined the discord and come met these amazing people, you're
doing yourselves a disservice. I cut them off. There's radio breaks,

(02:39:06):
I interject, et cetera, so on. But these people that
make this show go, I'm one of them. Sure, but
you see what's happening here. Come be part of this conversation.
Troubledminds dot org forward slash friends, follow them troubleminds dot org.
Scroll up to the top and click the discord. Come join.

(02:39:28):
It's a chat client, it's a voice client. It's completely free,
and the only look, the only rule is just don't
come in and tell everybody that they don't know anything,
and you know everything. That's it. Be you know, common courtesy,
that's it. Let's talk ideas, let's share things, and let's
consider that we ourselves might be wrong. Don't forget. I'm
taking one for the human team. I'm the uh, the pariah,

(02:39:51):
the ridicule, the unserious person. I'm that guy because I
think it's necessary. If you want to call me the
Jester archetype fin, I'll take it. But you see how
smart and how serious I actually am.

Speaker 2 (02:40:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:40:07):
Anyway, troubleminds dot org, click the discord, come say hi,
Come join it, because in about two minutes I'm going
to play that violent fem song and we can all
listen to it together off of the stream because of
course copyright considerations. Anyway, thanks for being part of this,
Thanks for caring about the ideas. Thanks again to the
old friends that sensed Mike struggling he needs some help

(02:40:31):
and then jumped in here and help me out. And
thanks for all the interaction, the calls, the ideas, the chat.
Thanks for being cool and chilled to each other. As
I keep saying, it means a lot to me that
we've built a space on the internet, a corner of
the Internet where we don't go after each other, even
if we disagree. Recognize. Now, let's again collectively take this

(02:40:53):
out into the world and notice, in a moment, if
somebody needs you, be there, right Sometimes things are quite
a bit more simple than they seem. Take the moment.
When you get it, I promise you you'll feel you'll
feel fine. I mean you probably already feel fine. You'll

(02:41:14):
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Speaker 4 (02:41:33):
It's a lot.

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It's humbling, it's a lot. Go help, Go follow these
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(02:41:57):
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And this is why we do this. This is why
I do this because I know there are so many
amazing people out there that need this, that need us,
that need this space. That's it, It's simple, right, I mean,

(02:42:18):
you know, unless we complicate it. So if you jump
into the discord and we're going to play this violent
fem song and then we'll wrap it, but that will
play actually after the stream is over, so shout out
Sylvain jumped into the discord. I will play that. If
you've never heard that song, maybe able to get stuck
in your ear as an earworm. Anyway, if you want
to help us directly spread the word, let people know

(02:42:39):
what conversation is happening. But we're not going to talk
about who to vote for. We're not going to talk
about their narratives, you know, their narratives, the technocracy or
the rest of this. We'll kind of talk about it
in the periphery, but I Am not going to absolutely
take somebody else's nonsense and then bring it to you guys.
As part of this, I'm chasing my own inspiration, inspiration

(02:43:00):
for us. I'm chasing inspiration for a space that doesn't
get enough Fox a chimney. That's it. That's very simple.
Like I said, sometimes things are as simple as they
see me.

Speaker 2 (02:43:12):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (02:43:13):
If you want to help us directly, troubleminds dot org.
There's a shop link up there. Click that it'll take
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(02:43:34):
by the way, featured launch products. Scroll down a little
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as we finish, it goes exactly like this, and this
goes out to my friend Ron, who I met in
a random parking lot in Las Vegas. Be sure, be strong,
be true. Thank you for listening from our trouble minds

(02:43:55):
to yours. Have a great night. We'll see you on
the discord in thirty seconds to play that violent fem song.
You guys have a fantastic one. We'll see you on
oh Thursday night. We got an old friend, Mikhail Tank
is going to be here and we're going to talk
about specifically and directly how to thrive in the age
of AI. So a nice brainstorming session. If you guys

(02:44:17):
want to be part of that, love to hear your
thoughts on that. We'll see you on Thursday. But otherwise,
we'll see you in thirty seconds as we play this
amazing song that inspired this entire conversation. I have a
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