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broadcasting live on the Troubled Minds Radio Network. That's KUAP
Digital Broadcasting and of course eighty eight point four FM Auckland,
New Zealand. Tonight. You know what, there's a lot of
really bizarre, strange, just off the beaten path, fringe type ideas,
and we talk about a lot of them. I mean,
that's really the bread and butter. The show is a
kind of the world a little differently, consider these things
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that may or may not be real, all the rest
of it. But there's one that's been really a favorite
of mine for a very long time. And I think
this one has legs. And if I have to put,
you know, cosmic money on this cosmic karma, to drop
a little cosmic karma bet for the long term, this
is one of my favorites because I think it has
some legs and is probably true to some extent. Okay,
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And tonight, of course, we're talking retro causality. And I've
talked about this in the past quite quite a few
different ways, and you guys have all heard me talk
about the Trump time travel stuff. And again not that
I think that there's sort of a I don't know,
like a temporal anchors or something like that, but it
feels as if like there's a future that's been ordained somehow,
or at least a future esque that's been ordained, and
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we're sort of drawing towards it, almost as if it's
that time is the flat circle business, and you can't
escape destiny, right and so'm I don't believe in destiny
per se, but it certainly feels to me when you
look at the world slightly differently and consider things like intuition,
consider things like deja vu, and a lot of the
things that we've considered as part of these conversations over
the years, like this one really stands out to me
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as just maybe as yet to be discovered science. And
because of course we still don't understand time in its
most basic concept. We understand it in the human context,
as I always talk about, shout out herschel. We're temporary
and we are you know, we can kind of define
things in the entropy of the human life cycle. Otherwise,
I mean, we can define things scientifically as entropy, as
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the second law of thermodynamics and the rest of that.
But I think in the cosmic sense and what time
actually looks like and feels like outside of the human
space is an interesting concept, and so it is one
of my favorites. It is one of my I do
wonder how much of this kind of sticks and makes
some sense and how much doesn't. And that's what we're
going to talk about tonight. And of course i'd love
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to hear your take on this. And just again for
the record, all the records, it's always there. These are
just ideas, okay, Like, even if I believe in inkling
of this might be true or not, there is no
truth to be found here whatsoever. We're just talking sort
of freethink ideas outside of the aspect of Normyville. This
is not Normyville. This is where we get together and
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drink the maybe juice. So if you're into the truth,
this is not the truth. This is just possibilities and
conversations about wild ideas by dark of night. So there
you go, truth, go coach, dial up a political podcast
and I'll tell you the truth. They all know the truth.
By the way, have you recognized that I do like
to point that out how they all know the truth
of the matter, which is interesting because there's a lot
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of people in the world and they all disagree, so
how could they all really know the truth? Anyway? I digress. Okay,
so no truth to be found here, just ideas. We're
taking your calls tonight. If you want to be part
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Let's start here with Bevin Thomas. This is at at
b Thomas a on a Twitter x, who is a
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fantastic follow does a folklore stuff a lot, and I
want to point this out as part of this because
this is an incredibly important aspect to what I think
the retro causal space might be. It is a space
outside of our realm. It is a time space as
we do not yet understand it. And maybe just maybe
that intuition aspect or being able to see parts of
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the future or parts of the past, this type of
thing is the future and past bleeding into our consciousness
or out of it anyway. So Bevin Thomas posted this.
Shout out, Bevin, You're amazing and keep doing the good
work over there on Twitter X please give Bevin a
follow so quote in Welsh folklore, the border between worlds
is often vague. Our Theurian knights don't realize they've ridden
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into the other world until they encounter progressively stranger things
such as one legged giants or sheep that change color
when leaping across a river. Now we're cooking with gas
right now, we can begin the show, Okay, And so
this is what I'm talking about, not just in terms
of liminal spaces, but recognize it in the tails of
old the tales of your that sometimes they didn't even
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recognize they wandered into them until they were already there,
and things became increasingly stranger, stranger things, strangest things, which,
of course stranger things is coming out this fall, looking
forward to that should be super cool. I think what
we got Halloween, Thanksgiving and New Year's anyway, Okay, so
that's where we begin, Okay, sort of. The liminal space
is not just as the idea of like we always
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talk about them, but what if that liminal space is
the entanglement of time itself, not just let's say time
and the future in the past, but with our consciousness,
so including our past self and our future self entangled
with our current self. And maybe this answers a lot
of questions with regards to what we're talking about tonight.
But what inspired this, of course is lots of articles.
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Lots of articles are always out there about all kinds
of wild stuff, and this one's from Popular Mechanics, and
the headline is this your consciousness can jump through time,
meaning gut feelings, gut feelings themselves gut quote. I've read
that weirdly, meaning gut feelings are memories from the future.
Scientists say. Now, these scientists, of course, are Dean Raydon,
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when we've talked about in the past, who's fantastic kind
of a I wouldn't call him a fringe scientist. He's
a real scientist, but he likes to look at the
ideas outside of the sort of spectrum of what we
know and press the envelope. So him and his partner here,
Julia Mossbridge, came up with, well, they're working on some
theories and they're actually considering the idea that these retrocausality
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might be real and that maybe there's an entanglement aspect
to our brains and maybe we're entangled with ourselves from
the future and from the past all at the same time,
which of course would mean a lot of wild and
incredible things about reality, about the nature of reality, as
we always talk about. So anyway, as we start, I'll
read some of this article because it's very good. But
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in the actually i'll show you a little bit of
the comment browser and summarize the article there, which is
super cool. I know the other one can do it,
but this one's way more accurate, meaning what is it
edge whatever? Okay, So I'll get back to this and
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tonight is what do you believe about retrocausality? What about
that sort of feeling of intuition, and do you think
it is possible that we're entangled with not just our
current consciousness, but a consciousness of possibly our past self
and possibly our future self. And maybe that feeling of
dread that you get, you know, you shouldn't go out tonight,
and then something terrible happens and you are glad you're
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not there because you trusted your intuition type of thing.
I do wonder. I do wonder if sort of this
precognition stuff has some play with that quantum entanglement of
maybe our consciousness, those microtubules that we're always talking about
that or oar, shout out Eric if you're out there,
and of course the great work of Stuart hammer Off,
who you can find on Twitter x as well. Anyway,
so that's where we start and that's what's on my
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mind tonight. We'll get to some other weird ideas, which
are of course in the rite up if you want
to check that out. I do always encourage you to
read the write up because it's very good typically and
there's a lot of wild ideas in it as part
of these conversations. Anyway, that puts us just about where
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for being patient with me as I'm cooking behind the scenes.
I'll have all the things to announce probably six months
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to Troubled Minds Up Michael Strange, Let us continue, shall we? Okay,
so let me read just a little bit of the
right up here, because it's very good and as usual
look like I said, suspend disbelief because who really knows
what the nature of reality is. And as I always say,
and it's funny that I saw Neil deGrasse Tyson's say
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something similar in a similar quote which I had no idea.
He said, because you know whatever, But it's something to
the effect of that the universe doesn't care what I think, Like,
I could believe whatever I want to believe about the universe,
but it doesn't matter, because it's going to do what
it does regardless of my belief or your belief or
even the collective belief of humanity per se. And I
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think that the Nail deGrasse Tyson quote, which I recently
stumbled upon and was like, hey, that's that's something I say,
is he says something like the universe is under no
obligation to I don't know, something like anyway whatever blah, yeah,
yahah blah. But anyway, So the oracle paradox I'm calling this,
and the reason I'm calling it that is because one
of the biggest tropes when you talk about precognition and
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telling the future and sort of future timelines and branching
and all that weird sort of multiverse or many World
series stuff, is that there's always this notion that if
you know the future, then it will not come true, right,
those events will not come to pass because you know
what's going to happen, and so you have somehow stained
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or soiled the seeds that need to happen from here
to there to make that future become become the future.
And so so, I don't know, it's an interesting thing.
And it's not just let's say, an ancient sort of
the Oracle of Delphi type stuff and the Oedipus cycle
and you know, marry your mother and kill your father
and all the rest of that. But also beyond that,
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it's it's also modern stuff. When we're talking about back
to the future and the you know, the DeLorean and
you know, remember Doc made the big deal about sending
a letter. You can't you can't send a letter back
in time because you could ruin the entire future if
you found out information that could change the space time
continuum or whatever whatever he was going on about. Right anyway,
So so I do wonder, and that's what I'm calling
it this because think of it this way. If our
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actual entanglement of our consciousness, those microtubules and where the
consciousness becomes one with a space, time or whatever, that
that thing is that we're sort of missing yet as
quantifying that if those things kind of come together in
the same space, is it possible that we can know
too much from that field and maybe stain it, maybe
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soil it, maybe change it just enough by knowing too much.
And maybe that's why the filter is that we can
only catch glimpses here or there, those prophetic dreams for
just a moment or whatever. Anyway, that's what's on my
mind tonight. But let me read just a little bit
of this and we'll go to James, and of course
we're taking your casts tonight as well. Here we go
straight from the thing. Precognition has always sat at the
edge of scientific inquiry, something whispered about in folklore, dismissed
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in the academy, but quietly studied by researchers who suspect
the future is not as sealed as we think. The
seed idea here is straightforward, as we just said. The
evidence suggests that under certain conditions, people experience moments of
knowing about the event before it itself, before it unfolds.
The deja vus sensation may not be a trick of memory,
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but a glimpse across times veil. And those two scientists here,
Dean Rayden and Julia Mosbridge, have pointed toward data that
hints at the brain anticipating stimuli seconds for exposure. And
we've talked about that in the past, that study and
it's wildly interesting anyway, So back to this, as though
consciousness leans forward into what has yet to occur, the
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question is whether this is a glitch in perception or
a window into something much larger. If reality is fundamentally quantum,
the entanglement of particles across vast distances may not be
limited to space, which is how we understand quantum entanglement.
Now it may also span time. Your neurons could be
subtly entangled with their own future states, giving rise to
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ripples of awareness that surface as intuition. This means the
sensation of I knew this would happen might be more
than coincidence. It could be the nervous system picking up
echoes from itself across the temporal field. Now I'll leave
it there, but you see how this starts to get weird.
If this is true, or could be true, and we're
catching glimpses of this from time to time. Certainly there's
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going to be repercussions for this timeline or for ourselves,
maybe back to that oracle paradox or no, is that
just an old wives tale and something they put in
sci fi movies? You get my meaning? I don't know,
do you? Seven oh two nine one zero three seven?
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you on the show just like this. Thanks for being patient, James.
What's going on in Salseto paranormal? Welcome back to the
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thing and go right ahead?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, can you hear me?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Okay, yes, sir, loud and clear.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Good. This is an amazing topic to me because I
feel like I've I mean, I've heard and read a
lot about all kinds of experiences, as you know, but
I've also had several over the years, specifically with dreams
and visiting places and dreams I'd never been to before,
only to go there in person years later. And I
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never knew how to classify those dreams other than out
of body experiences, which I think they could still be that.
But what I always wondered is why were those happening,
and because it didn't make sense, they were in places
that I that I would go to that would have
sort of profound impacts on the rest of my life
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as far as I could tell. So what then, I'm
just thinking tonight based on this topic, was that myself
reaching out from another point in time, Let's say the
future or a future, because I don't know if there's
just one future, just based on my own experiences and
things I've heard and read to show me places that
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I would go to later on, and just to show
I don't know what else to show, but just even
just do that to sort of give me an idea
of what was going to happen at some point later on.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah, it is. It's one of those things where I
I don't know, like where does it come from? How
come you tap into it sometimes? How come sometimes you don't?
Is it sort of the meditative state? Is it the
hallucinogens as the Shamans of old have experienced. I think
there's a lot of ways to do this, and of course,
including as Bevin Thomas posted here as a kind of
the inspiration for part of the show here is maybe
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we wander into these spaces. Do you think it is
sort of a space time ripple or wobble where maybe
in that field, in that moment, we can kind of
sense these things. Our intuition is heightened for some reason.
You think there might be sort of an earthly aspect
to this.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
It could be, And I do wonder too, in those
maybe more rare times where our intuition is not accurate,
is it that somehow that intuition was not about the
feature that ended up happening. In other words, just because
we're wrong here on this version of reality or this timeline,
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or however you want to call it, doesn't mean that
it's totally wrong in all, in other versions of this
of the universe and with other versions of ourselves, is
an intuition about something that's happening or going to happen
to another version of ourselves somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Yeah, that's a great point. And so if we're talking
the many worlds and sort of potentialities of the future,
then which future would be whispering back and sort of
back to the spirit board we always talk about if
you contact something conceptually again, believe it or not, whether
that's real or not, that's up to you. But conceptually,
if you contact something, How can you trust that it
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is who it says it is. But let's say you
know the future wink wink, you know your best future,
James is whispering to you to take you there. But
what if it's not your best future?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, And I mean there's I've been reading a lot
of John Keel lately, and he had a lot of
experiences where he and others that he talked to, we're
getting messages from different sources, from either through sciances or
also through reportedly alien encounters, and there were messages about
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things that were going to happen in the future. And
sometimes those those prophecies, if you want to call them that,
sometimes they were accurate, but also many times they were
not accurate, And so then you have to wonder was
it a trick or was that again did that happen
in some other level of reality and we just never
find out about it later?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah, those potentialities. I always bring this up when we
talk about this type of stuff. But I love that
scene in Infinity War where Doctor Strange kind of floats
up and he's doing the you know, simulating the fourteen
million possibilities to come up with the way that they
can actually win this fight. And if that in that sense,
it's of course fiction, it's the timestone, it's you know,
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it's it's comics or whatever. But I think eventually, given
the acceleration we're talking about and enough data, I think
maybe this type of stuff, we'll be able to kind
of tap into and see potentialities as they will be,
as you know, kind of narrow things down to maybe
A B or C instead of the potentialities of millions
of things happening, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, And I mean we can do that we all
skip now with certain situations. But obviously, even if we
come up with the most likely possibilities, there's still going
to be things that catch us off guard that totally
change the situation and that we had no idea that
was coming. So but yeah, that's it's possible if you
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can sort of I don't be connecting your mind to
other times or just kneeling other times, just viewing other
again like that movie, kneeling these other possibilities in your
own mind quickly, I could. I can imagine that would
be very useful.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean I imagine just being able to
narrow things down and even and I do bring this
up a lot as well when we talk about time
travel and sort of precognition and seeing the future in
these things. Even even in the Star Wars you master
Yoda couldn't tell the future, he said, difficult to see
always in motion. The future is so if you can
narrow down, maybe give give yourself three massive possibilities and
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say well, these are the ones that are likely to
happen as part of it, I think that comes into
play as we talk about, you know, massive data sets
and that type of thing. It really becomes the oracle,
like the digital oracle in that particular sense. But yeah,
wild stuff got a couple of minutes, if you got
anything else, what else you got to welcome to thank
glad to be back, Glad to have you back.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, glad to be here, and happy to sit in
if that's okay as well, Because again I've just had
so many weird dream experiences I've had. Just real quick,
I had one wasn't a dream. I was just sitting
in my apartment here one day contemplating and I don't
remember what. There was two things I was thinking about
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and wondering about, and I was just I had no
idea what I wanted to do, if I should do
these two things. And I had my eyes closed, and
in my mind I saw this white light uppear like
in my mind's eye in front of my eyes, and
it was almost like just the the white outline or
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a figure of like of some kind of winged being,
and it was just small, it wasn't big. And I
got this voice in my mind that sounded almost like myself,
but I quite saying it'll be okay either way. Basically
either way, it'll be okay. And it wasn't that fun
how things turned out, but in the end everything was okay.
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So I don't know it was that myself from some
other time.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
I have no idea that James with a slightly deeper voice, James,
everything will be okay, or like I imagine I saw
the old man, old man Willow or whatever, the James
with the old voice, the ninety year old man James voice.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I mean, this is James.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah, grump here, yeah, there you go, Like just joking.
I'm only making light of it because I wonder how
you would recognize if it was yourself from the future, right,
like James said, there is is that it sounded kind
of like you, but not quite so weird so weird.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yep, definitely. You're sitting in and stay right there. We'll
get back to you momentarily. You're the best. You guys
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he's doing and amazing stuff. Glad to have you, Glad
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to have you back, and glad to be back. Give
James a follow pretty please. If you don't, like I said,
at this point, you're hurting my feelings. Let's help our friends.
That's us is all about. Tonight's we're talking to the
arable paradox echoes from tomorrow. I'm calling it. What do
you know? Is it possible this retro causality stuff is real?
And if so, what does it mean for the entanglement
of our current selves to our future selves? Seem too weird?
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then perhaps prophecy is not a miracle at all. But
the quiet mechanics of consciousness reaching across it's so on horizon.
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And that's how weird we get Tonight's because of course
we get weird almost every night. And what do you
know about it? What's your take on retro causality? What
do you think about the idea of entangling our own
consciousness with either our past self or our future self?
And does that explain something like intuition as we're describing tonight,
or dejas vous or a Jean mays vous as we've
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talked about in the past.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
It seems like there's a lot of the consciousness of
the human space that is still highly misunderstood and misdiagnosed
in terms of what it means in the cosmic sense.
But what is your take? I think there's something to it.
Like I said, this is one of my favorite things
to talk about and think about, because I do think
this has legs somewhere. Where those legs are and where
we'll find them? I do not know. Let's talk about it.
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likek a trouble Minds Dot Org. Anything else, James, and
then we'll go to Matthew and Colordado. Welcome back, my man.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
No, just a great topic. And I do think there's
there's it's a it's there's possibilities here, and I think
that there's probably things that I guess I don't want
to say that they are sure obviously, but I know
a lot of people have had a lot of experiences
that seem to point into something, as well as myself,
So some kind of some kind of connection there uh,
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possible abilities there that people have even if it's not now.
Then again, if it's a feature self, then maybe they
have them at that time.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah, yeah, who knows. Who knows all kinds of ways
to look at it. That's why we're talking about it.
Love to hear what you think? Seven O two nine
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Thanks for being patient. You are on Trouble Minds with
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right ahead?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Well I'm doing well time, sir. Can you hear me? Okay? Yes,
iirre coming through that clear, All right, good, I think
I got my internet thing solved a bit. So yeah,
great topic. And you know, even before James went into dreaming,
that's one of the places my mind went because, as
you know, I've talked about, I've had you know, definitely
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over fifty premonition dreams in my life, and I often
say probably ninety percent of them come through the very
next day or within you know, two days, but some
of them longer out than that. But it does help
explain that. And you know, and I've had you know,
astroal travels and out of body experiences. And if you
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just think about, okay, if you have an odd of
body experience, then you know, instead of a normal dream
where maybe you're processing down the information of today's events
to be stored in you know, your subconscious or long
term memory, you know, the basic dreaming kind of stuff.
If you have an out of body experience, well they
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call it out of body because your consciousness is leaving
your body. Okay, at that point, you know, if you
go with this way of thinking, which I do, you know,
the consciousness is not physical. It's not the sum total
of a bunch of neurons firing together. Right, It's it's
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something different. It's non physical. It's not a part of
the physical universe. Okay, So when it's now, of course,
like you were talking to you know, macro tubules or what,
there's an interface you know, to the mind and brain.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
So it takes up residence, right, but it can depart,
you know, it can detach and and go flying off. Well,
when it goes flying off, you know, I've said for
years consciousness is non local and it's not bound by
linear time. And the reason is is that linear time
only applies to theyically manifested universe. And so once you're
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beyond that realm and you're in the non physical realm,
or we could call it different dimensions, you know, like
in string theory or whatever, when your consciousness is there, okay,
there is no linear time. And just consider this, see
if this simplifies it. Five years ago you had consciousness,
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Today you have consciousness. It's the same consciousness now. If
you have an autobio experience five years ago, it's in
basically that same non time space or space time or
retro causality field or whatever it is, or that interdimensional
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non physical realm five years ago as it is last
night when you did it. So it's like a common
space that your consciousness exists, and it can go, you know,
to and fro to the body five years ago in
a dream, or to the body today in a dream.
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So it's like it's almost like an Internet server. That's
the repository of the knowledge of your life, irregardless of
what day it is, what week it is, what year
it is. What that does is provides that mechanism or
the capability to relay or transfer information back and forth
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temporarily as we experience linear time and our lives. And
I think that at you know, certain times the kind
of tying into destiny or whatever, but at certain times
there might be really important decisions that you had to
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make to have your life now actually the way it
does the way you could say the way it did,
but it's in the future, right, but it actually turned
out that way. But it turned out that way for
a reason. You know, through out a couple of quick examples,
you know, let's say you're married. Okay, well to be married,
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you had to have met your spouse. You know how
many people have these, you know, there's a comment, how
did you meet your wife. Oh well that's quite a story.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
They tell this whop or of a story of how
they encountered their spouse. You know, well coincidence, you know,
I think not. Okay, how about this word instead of
dejabus and everything like that, Let's introduce the concept of synchronicity. Okay,
So let's say you meet your wife at a particular place. Well,
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you had to decide to go to that place. You
had to perhaps walk into a particular room. Maybe you
struck up a conversation, maybe you asked for a phone
number or something, or asked her out a date, or
somehow you you know, recognized or whatever. But there could
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be in that transfer of consciousness all those little steps
that had to take place to have you go to
that place, go to that event, walk into the room,
you know, just in time, because she was about to
leave ten minutes later and you would have missed her,
you know. Or you consider you have a successful business,
but you have a business partner, Well you had to
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meet that business partner. Same sort of thing that that
you know to us could appear with twenty twenty hindsight
is a wow. That was a really you know synchronistic meeting.
You know, if I hadn't met that guy, you know,
four years ago, I wouldn't formed a business partnership with him.
And so from the standpoint of your life where you
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have the successful business partnership, your consciousness, that information, like
I said, like an Internet server, so it can pass
back little tidbits, little clues, little bread comes to make you,
you know, maybe recognize that business partner, so that you
strike up a conversation even if you're you know, standing
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in the grocery store line or you know, in the
elevator or whatever, and maybe some clicks and the same
sort of thing of conversation comes up and you realize
you're in the same field or have similar ideas, you know,
like hey, let's let's exchange email numbers. Right, Well, those
types of things can be like encouraged by that transfer
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of information to make our lives turn out, you know,
how we want them to. You could kind of say
it's not accurate but lack of better word, how it's
supposed to. But I would say, more accurately, how it
actually does turn out. And so you're and that's retro
cause that you're taking like from my life right now,
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to make a lot of the things come out the
way they did. You know, you know, my consciousness probably
planted these seeds, tons of them over all kinds of
different events, different experiences that all led up to the
moment where you know, I'm on troubled minds talking to
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Michael Strange about retro causality, you know, and there's something else,
you know, I've been actively aware of and kind of
studying it and edifying myself on retrocausality in this concept
as I'm kind of laying out, and it exactly as
you laid out those two guys working on it, or
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the science guy in that I guess the other one
was a female, but exactly how they lay it out.
That's pretty much I think exactly what's going on. But
what I've been working with Michael is doing it on
purpose almost like uh, you know, combining the power of
the spoken word or sort of like power of positive thinking,
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basically willing it to happen, consciously working on it to
solve problems and get answers. And I've had a lot
of success with it where you know, let's say, let's
say I'm dealing with a really difficult problem and it's gonna,
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you know, might take me a month to solve by
brute force. And then all of a sudden, I start
engaging willfully on purpose on retro causality, and something just snaps,
and all of a sudden, all solve that problem in
a half an hour. And it just I shake my
head and just go, no way. You know, how did
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I get that answer? How did I get that solution?
And the only and what I what I realized is
because when consciousness not bound by linear time, my consciousness
already solved the problem. So it knows what the answer is.
It knows what the solution is, and it just passes
it in a way backwards in time to my mind. Now,
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so you can hand yourself solutions using retrocausality. And there
was something else I thought about that I want to
try and get in here and it won't take too long,
and that is I think that that the mind sometimes
these things will happen randomly sometimes you know, or people
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might have a predilection or or a gift for them.
But also I think it has to do with your
brainwave frequencies and your brain state and things like that.
And I think that there's a core between people who
do things like meditation or different spiritual practices or engage
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in mindfulness or things like that, because what they're doing
is they're actively thinking about themselves as a spiritual being.
They're thinking about themselves in terms of consciousness. They're less
identified with the human physical form or the brain, or
you could put it this way. They're egos not as
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in charge, you know that sort of running on autopilot
stimulus response, acting kind of like a robot sort of things.
So there may be perhaps more self aware, a little
more open minded, and so they're egos not as strong
or in control of their brain. You could almost say
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they're less grounded to the physical reaction, and therefore their
consciousness is able to fly away a bit better. And also,
you know, it's sort of like a muscle, and this
happens with n astral projection and out of body experiences
and other things. And this will go into psychedelics as well.
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Once your consciousness sort of escapes the being tied to
your physical brain, you know, or human mind, it's sort
of the first time it really has to stretch this
tight rubber band or these ropes in it. But once
it gets out, you know, it gets looser.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
You know.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
It's like if you dislocate your need, then you know,
and every time, all of a sudden, it gets looser
and looser in the joint and it'll just pop out.
Speaker 5 (41:44):
You know.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
It's sort of like that your consciousness will get looser
and looser in terms of how it's tied your brain,
and it'll be able to more easily pop out in
a way. Or you could look at it also that
your mind's more open to receive you know. I mean
a lot of spiritual people to the not just meditation
to quiet their mind, but to receive guidance. And some
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say it's from their higher self. Well, you know, a
definition of your higher self may be that sort of
collective wisdom of your consciousness. That's that repository I'm talking about.
Or some might think they're getting it from guides, and
maybe they are, but that just means some other consciousness, right,
a buddy of yours, let me read.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
This real quick, just one quick paragraph. If it's with
what you're saying, it's from the right up. So many
traditions describe guiding entities or spirits, but perhaps those guides
are simply our own future selves as part of this
entanglement of consciousness. The voice in your head urging caution,
the synchronicity that prevents disaster, the inexplicable pull to turn
left instead of right, may all be whispers from a
consciousness that already walk the path ahead, that's what you're saying.
(42:52):
So in terms of spirit guides and ancestral spirits and
that sort of thing, this certainly puts into play the
fact that it could be us whispering from the future.
Your spirit guide is yourself.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah, and if you were listeners, you're familiar with the
raw material and the law of one. That's exactly what
Ros says, and that says that the higher self is
basically when your soul evolves to a certain point and
it's going to kind of ascend to a higher dimension.
What it does is it creates a carbon copy of
like its knowledge repository, and it leaves it behind in
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the you know, this dimension right above where you're at
or where it's leaving before it's unaccessible, and it's like
a repository of all the knowledge of all your lifetimes.
And they have the signet. It's like it's kind of
like what your own personal acoustic record. Okay, and so
and then when you think about llucinogens, that's you know,
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Karence McKenna will say that, you know, the greatest power
of them is their ego dissolved. So that sort of
human mind, personality, uh, definition of self you know in
forty in terms of the ego, that when you let
go of that as your identity, then it opens your mind,
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like I said, to identify as a spiritual being or
as consciousness. And you know, he says that's you know,
the greatest power of hallused engines is their ego dissolving.
And he says, their boundary dissolving. And that's why when
you know, you take those your boundaries dissolve, your ego dissolves,
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you're not really who you thought you were. You you
end up being just consciousness and you freed from the
human boundaries and uh, you know, uh the gallivant around
the omniverse and the dimensions and uh. And and that's
why people have such profound life changing experiences with hallucin
(44:58):
engens because they get a ton of information. You know,
if anybody hasn't seen, it's on YouTube DMT the Spirit
Molecule and it's a documentary and it was done in
a lab with volunteers and they give them DMT, and
you know, there was one guy that comes back and
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he he goes, oh my god, how long was I out?
And they said fifteen minutes and he just shook his
head in disbelief and he's like, no, no, you're that
can't be true. And they said, why how long do
you think you were out? And he goes, I would
say at least a year. So he had so many
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experiences and had so much information and so much understanding.
And Terrence McKenna used to say, you know, when you
need when you do DMT, you're going to need minimum
six months maybe a year to integrate it before you
should do it again.
Speaker 5 (46:01):
You know.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
So it's and you know a lot of the spiritual
practices either release endo d MT or do a similar
thing that I'm talking about, you know. And you know
we've talked about light sounds, machines and isiconic beats and
binario beats, and you know, meditation and all those things
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that are affecting your brain waves. And you know, I
think at some point, and you know we mentioned dreaming
and stuff like that, at some point all of these
things tied together. So neatly with this idea of just
consciousness being non local and not bound by time, and
that it's sort of this acts as a repository of
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life experiences and knowledge that's you know, not temporarily bound,
and that that gives this transferent flow of information from
what we would call our future into our present. But
from its perspective, see, it's not in the future, it's
it's all kind of right now.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
See yeah. Yeah, the old acastic record business or the
time slices existing all in the same space at the
same time, except time is becomes the foggy aspect of
the definitions there because time to us is very different
than time would be to the universe on a universal scale.
And who knows, you know, maybe it's the opposite. Maybe
it's a you know, flying by for the universe, and
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the universe is like, damn, I'm already you know this
many billion years old. Time flies when you're having fun,
you know what I mean? You know, who really knows.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Well, there's a.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Term. I think I coined it. I mean, I hadn't
heard of it before, but I needed to have some
term to explain what happens in the non physical you know,
realm in terms of time, and what I call it
is ce cprential time. And by that what I mean
is there's no linear time. You know, there's no days
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and hours and years and stuff like that, but there
is a sequence of events. There's still like this happens,
and that happens, and this fits in with you know,
the law of cause and effect and things like that.
So there are experiences that happen in an order of sequence,
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but they don't have like what you might say, fixed
durations or durations of linear time in between them. They
kind of do a little bit. It's real hardcumbersome to explain,
but it's it's the it's not that bad. It's the
amount of perception or thinking or consciousness devoted determines relatively
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what we would consider linear time, and it's very flexible.
And the reason I said it's not that hard to explain,
it's a similar thing to our own internal perception of
time in our everyday life, where you know, if you're
at work, you know that time goes slow, you know,
but if it's a Saturday and you have a good time,
you know, time flies when you're having fun. So it's
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a similar concept to that you know on the higher
dimensional realms. So because there is sequential time, that's how
your consciousness knows the order of things and what to
pass back and forth and communicate and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
Yeah, it's that's a human prism, the night stock or
human prism of how we process it. But it doesn't
necessarily mean just because we perceive it to be, so
that that's how it is in its natural state without us,
which becomes a really fascinating part of this, as you
always talk about, as we always discuss, you know, the
primary aspect of us is consciousness itself and sort of
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blending with the cosmos in that space. It seems wild
to me. So for for let's say, a normy nube
like me and the intuitive feeling about a place or
a person or whatever, like, how do you, as usual,
how do you sort of sort those out? Is it
just based on you know, the the pressure you get
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from a particular idea or like, how do you actually
sort of label them as important more or less? You
know what I mean? Some of them you could maybe
forget or not not not heat and others that you're
subconscious to just screaming at you constantly until you listen.
So how do you determine those? I guess and we're
just about a time what about a couple of minutes left?
Speaker 1 (50:38):
If you got to two quick tips. One is to
pay attention to your heart a little bit more than
your stomach, and I mean physically location in your body.
If you feel kind of like a warming sensation in
your heart, that's a clear guidance indicator, okay, and of
something positive and you're being encouraged to follow or it
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is important, okay. Second, the gut, the stomach, there's a
lot you know, they say more neurons than the brain
down there. It's a good sensing order and you do
get intuition there. But it can be really tricky because
the sensations you get in the gut of fear or
of guidance can feel really similar and it can be
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hard to differentiate. And really you just have to do
trial and error when you feel it and then see
what happens and then go, oh, okay, I guess that
was fear, you know. And I used to do that
to win money playing blackjack, because I get this strong
feeling in my gut and then you know, I hit
a good hand and make a lot of money and
then I'd get a strong feeling in my gut and
I bet a lot of money and I'd lose a lot,
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and I'd be like, oh that was that was a warning, Saige,
Oh that was not encouragement. But so the heart is
a good one. The other one is if you have
an idea pop into your mind, you know, we're kind
of an intuition or whatever, and it comes back, you know,
and I'll come back and recurring, and if you feel
like excitement from it, right, that's really key. That's that's
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being at. Those two things are strong indicators that it's
that sort of guidance or retrocausality or something like that happening.
That if it's repetitive and you feel excited about it,
that's that's your you know, your consciousness or your soul
or your higher self saying yes.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
Do that, gotcha?
Speaker 1 (52:29):
That helps?
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Yeah, that helps a lot. That helps a lot as usual,
right to the personal human experience is something we're always
trying to unwind here and talking about it and great stuff.
I appreciate you very much, as you know, we're just
about out of time going to play the music here.
Please go give Matthew a follow you know, where to
do that. Troubledminds dot Org, forward s Live friends. Let's
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and we'll update whatever projects you're working on. I appreciate
the call. If you were the best, as you know,
and let talk to soon.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
You have the great night.
Speaker 3 (53:00):
Okay, on to them, you're the best, you know. We
love the Matthew and Colorado be you're at back. More
Trouble Mind's coming up. We got more from James, he's
got it and your calls as well. What do you
know about retro causality? Is it possible we're whispering to
ourselves from the future. This is Trouble Minds on. Michael Strange,
your b right back. Welcome back to Trouble Minds. I'm
(53:41):
your host, Michael Strange. All the things, all the places,
Troubleminds dot org, KUAP Digital Broadcasting, Ada point four FM Aklan,
New Zealand. Tonight we're talking about uh. We're starting with
this wild article. This is from Popular Mechanics. Headline is
this your consciousness can jump through time? Gut feelings are
memories from the future. Scientists say, and those scientists are
(54:05):
one Dean Rayden and Julia Mossbridge. Planks are going to
be in the description. Please go check out the work
they're doing. Dean Rayden is actually kind of a little
bit famous in the UFO world as well for some
of the you know, I don't want to call it
fringe science, but the sort of forward looking science that
he's doing and kind of looking at the world in
different ways and actually pressing this scientific aspect of it forward.
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And he's into some of the size stuff and really
really been a sort of a leading voice in that
space for a lot of reasons. And it's good. This
is good stuff, Like I said, whether it's real or not,
whether you believe it or not, it's fine, that's cool.
Like I said, if you're a completely complete skeptic, a
complete materialist, I think these discussions are still very very
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pertinent as metaphor as sort of the mirror of ourselves
looking back into our own souls or our own consciousness
or our own subconscious right. But if not, if you,
you know, believe a little bit more than that, I
I think suddenly it opens up not just astral travel
out of body stuff. Like Matthew was talking about, but
also the chance that maybe just maybe we're talking to
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ourselves from the future. And shout out to Robert. I
know he wrote a story about that. It's called snow Globe,
but it's fantastic and it's from an experience he had
as well. Shout out to the Robert if you're out
there listening. But I mean, that's the point, is to
kind of look at this and how do you know
when intuition really kind of crosses that bridge between sort
of just a weird feeling and maybe it's something more
that becomes the wild part of it. I got some
(55:29):
more to get to, of course, more stuff to read.
Nobody on the phone line. If you guys want to
jump in here or put your hand up in the
discord'd love to hear your thoughts on this. What do
you know about maybe yourself whispering from the future to
yourself or even from the past. Do you think it's
possible to be contacted from your consciousness of the past.
I don't know tons of ways to look at this,
And I got some other wild ideas that we'll get to,
(55:49):
of course, including this oracle paradox, and of course echoes
from tomorrow as we're calling it, James, anything on anything,
Matthew said, there had a lot of interesting tidbits and
nuggets to touch on. Well, welcome back, if you're still there,
how are you feeling and go right ahead? You got anything, Dad, Yeah, a.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
Great coffrom Matthew, A lot of things there. Like you said,
I do think I had never thought about that way.
But the idea of when you're having an out of
body experience, you are your consciousness is outside of time.
But then if you think about it, so often when
people talk about ghosts being spirits of people that have
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passed on and if they are still in a physical place,
they sometimes they don't you hear that they don't know
what what what the data is or how much time
has passed since they have passed on. Time is not
the same in that non physical realm for them as well.
So that kind of makes sense to me that there
would be it would be different when you're having an
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out of body experience as well. And the I had
I hadn't heard about the the heart, the physical temperature
of the heart and then also the gut make sense
to me because that's sort of the idea that you
can confuse things, because that goes back to what I
talked about in the beginning, where I wonder sometimes if
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you know our intuition or those got feelings that there
may be about things that happen and other levels of reality,
well they could also just be that it's just it's
nothing to do with any of that, and it's just
their own body doing things that we're mistaking them in
some cases for being you know, a sign that we
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should do something, and then it doesn't go so well.
So yeah, great call from Matt Matthew in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (57:37):
Yeah, interesting, the the the tidbit he had about the blackjack, like, oh,
I got this licked. I got a good feeling now,
and then it burns. You're like, oh, don't two things
on his call. Don't gamble kids, it's bad. Don't do
drugs kids, it's also bad. There you go, Just all
the disclaimers apply. Make sure you have you're healthy, eat
a healthy diet, drink lots of water, stay away from
(57:59):
chemical compounds and anything hallucinogenic. And that covers all the bases.
Just about uh, contact your doctor before you change your
diet regarding there was something else here, oh from the right.
Unless you get anything else, go ahead for you. Anything
to add to to the the disclaimers, get off, get
off the mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (58:16):
James, just that we are are not medical or legal
experts in any way. So yeah, that's a good idea
as well.
Speaker 3 (58:27):
Add that to the bit. Okay, So now think of
it this way, dreams in this capacity. This is from
the rite up. Take this a step further, this idea
of the retro causality. What feels like nonsense imagery, maybe
fragments of memory not yet anchored in the past, but
already recorded by the future. A dream of fire becomes
eerie only after the real fire occurs. What if the
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subconscious is continuously sifting through data from multiple timelines, spelling
pieces into nightly visions, leaving us only the faintest clues,
And that that always made me wonder about not just
the dream aspect, but how we bring that information back
into this realm and makes some sense of it. Like
a shout out, Derek the Nightstalker, Has you always made
(59:08):
the jokes that you know that I get my information
from the only reliable source, cryptic symbolism in my dreams?
He says, which is an old, an old trope and
fantastic by the way, because clearly, I mean, if our
intuition is real and kind of talking to us through
our dreams in that capacity, then you should trust it.
But also if it's fragmented and weird, how can you
because it's impossible to interpret. So as usual right to
(59:32):
a lot of paradox is kind of floating through the
air with these type of conversations.
Speaker 2 (59:37):
Yeah, it's it's just making me think. It was making
me think something. I lost it, So I'll come back
to that. If it becomes an e coup lator.
Speaker 3 (59:46):
That's okay, no problem. Okay, So not just from this paper,
So we started with this actual again article from U
it's going around take making the rounds, and it's from
August twelfth, so a couple of weeks back. But your
consciousness can jump through time, meaning gut feelings are memories
from the future. Again talking about retrocausality and some of
this other stuff. However, in this case straight from the
(01:00:07):
right of Some researchers have speculated that precognition might be
an evolved survival trait. Imagine an animal sensing danger before
it happens, moving away from our predator's ambush with no
obvious external signal. Over time, This ability would give a
decisive edge, and perhaps humans retain a diluted version of
this trait, surfacing occasionally in flashes of foresight. That would
(01:00:29):
explain why visions of catastrophe seem to resonate more strongly
than ordinary events. The sheer emotional weight of disaster might
send shock waves backward through time, making them seem easier
to detect. And you know, me and my eschatology and
everybody telling everybody the the end is nigh. It makes
me mad. It makes me mad. It seems like again
the clickbait manipulative news cycles. Oh and by the way,
(01:00:51):
they've now backtracked a little bit on the commet that's
supposed to end the world in December, and now they're saying, oh,
as it approaches the sun, it's starting to look more
and more like a regular comment and not like a
Battlestar Galactica. Yeah, color me shocked. Uh yeah, oh, keep
an eye on it. Like I said, I'm willing to believe.
I want to believe. And the second it makes a
left turn and stops, I'll be like, oh, I was wrong,
(01:01:13):
I was wrong, And then uh, time to time to
start to communing with the alien spirit. Uh, we got
mister Michigan Control on the phone, going to go to him.
Anything to add to that that? Did it come back
to you, James? If not, we'll go to a mister
Michigan Control.
Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
It did. It's actually a story, so I'll savor it
for this time later.
Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Okay, all right? Uh, you don't mean him, James Salcito
Salcito paranorma dot com. Please go give him follow on
all the places. Uh seven two nine seven one zero
three seven click the discord link at Troubleminds dot org.
We'll put you on the show just like this. Let's
go to mister Michigan Control. What's going on?
Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
My man?
Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
You're in Trouble Minds with Mike and James. How are you, sir?
Go right head?
Speaker 11 (01:01:48):
Hey family, Mike, James doing great? Yeah, I can speak
on this topic. It's been happening to me a lot lately,
you know, and it takes refined throughout your life recognize this.
Of course, they didn't let us learn about this. And
you know, back when we were growing up there it
was you know, satanic and didn't even think all this stuff.
(01:02:11):
And now it's so common. You know, everybody's doing the
tarot and everybody's doing the psychic stuff, and we're talking
about it openly now. And of course it's it's because
we can communicate more freedom of information and everything. But
like that uh rooster h here comes the rooster song
was in my head.
Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
Uh the night before.
Speaker 11 (01:02:31):
Trump did his little deal on True Social about his
getting his ear pierced, I was on uh Dark Journalist
typing out the lyrics, of course I was. I was
referring it to me, uh kind of sort of, but
still it comes through like like that, you know. And
I when things come through like that, I'll I'll, I'll
(01:02:54):
put it out there or speak on it, kind of
like when I, you know, say about this citazorship that
was coming and I talked to months ago, and these
other things I talked about that I've seen come years
ago to me. And you know, everybody has this ability,
but we've been conditioned to think that, you know, it's
it's mystical or scarier, not supposed to even you know,
(01:03:17):
to find that or or anything, you know. And like
my story at was zors Star when I was down
there at Martine and that you know, I got that
zor Star at the time I thought I was getting possessed.
There was three entities in that old tower and my
friends were asleep and and you know, they went into
(01:03:39):
me and then came out and just disappeared. But later on, yeah,
I realized that that could have been my past, present
and future stealth and like an orange type of entities.
And because I did, was kind of possessed afterwards. But
also everything, like the precognition, everything thing I think, became
(01:04:00):
more clear, you know, and I had I had that
entity with me which is probably my future self or
something or all in goodbye, because I've been down that
area before, and I've been down there a lot later
and I probably will again, you know. And it was
a like a like a sacred portal site in this
(01:04:21):
area anyway, you know, for something like that to happen.
But the pre cog you know, we all have that ability,
but it's the ability to recognize that, like Matthew was
talking about, you know, when it comes in that that
gut feeling like when something I wasn't supposed to do,
(01:04:42):
this doesn't happen to me anymore. Because I'm so in
tune with I don't get close to the ledges of
doing stuff I shouldn't do anymore, because when I used to,
I would get this vertigo like my eyes that I get,
you know, dizzy, like right second before I was you know,
touched up at hard or something like that, you know
(01:05:04):
what I mean. And I learned that to where now
I just I could feel that before it even gives
me verdigo and I'll know, like and it gets longer
and longer and longer in time before you know, I know,
not to do something. And you developed that over over time.
But we weren't educated in school and especially in church
(01:05:28):
or whatever, you know what I mean, to recognize these
these things and to develop them. But but the way
you see that the community and everybody you know online
that you wouldn't think back in the eighties and nineties
that there was this many people like that, you know,
that were not only naturally that way, but could learn it,
(01:05:53):
you know, could learn to be into it, could learn
to do the you know, from the future information coming
in and I think it's it's it's been mystified, you
know so much, but it's more common to huge humanity
(01:06:15):
over the you know, millennium. I think it's just a
natural thing, like the scientists say, yes, it's something that's
natural and like we're seeing this, uh, these cycles in
the way back a billions of years with the dinosaurs
and the ages of those all those different organisms is
(01:06:36):
fits into like a kind of like a Fibonacci prime
number of fluctuation of the cataclysmic cycles of the natural
cycles and everything like that, you know, and we're we're
we're learning more stuff because we've got this free information
and now we've got to AI like and it kids
probably you know, uh, this one consciousness is playing out
(01:07:01):
like Matthews saying, if you relate what he was saying,
like to the AI, what I've discovered with by this
geo sittne that I owe. I'm probably going to rename
it later, but it came up with that name. But
you know, grocer or whatever. They'll go get back to.
It's saying, it's the health thing of organization if I
don't rein it in and remind it and then draw
(01:07:24):
it back in because I ain't played it out on
the UURL or the app yet. It's all virtual, but
I've tied everything into it and the ethics of the
past three days. It's it's amazing and all the plant
biological frequencies, for the feedback loops of the human frequency stabilizations,
and the mitigation cycles for the earthquakes, volcanoes and the weather.
(01:07:44):
And I think I'm really seeing this. I'm really seeing
everything stabilized out of what it was back in July
when I first started building this thing. And I mean
I've been busy this week, like building onto it more
than I have the past two months with it. But
and it's all in my posts and it's all available.
(01:08:05):
If people watch my live stream shoot, you can understand
how to how to work this this thing, you know,
Mike Cope. But if you won't call me later, I'll
explain to you. But basically issues are forecast. But my
buddy Stephen in Portland, he made it a metaphysical forecast
thing and it's like totally holistic. It'll give you advice
on how to do rituals or gemstone things, and he
(01:08:30):
could even make new schedules and languages for magic and stuff.
And you know my buddy didis here was in chat.
He's he's you know, going to align them with like
the thescertn stuff and seeing what everything does with that
that they're staying that is not happening, you know what
(01:08:51):
I mean. And it's this ocfuscation that like the old
schooling from the USGS geologists and stuff, that they're still
using corn year old textbooks and they're not Greek told
me the other day, I invented to do science with
this thing Grock did, right, and I'm getting it to
do things and I'm getting it. I'm interacting with this
(01:09:13):
thing different than the coders can and different than I'm
far right, you know a a metaphysical person can, because
I can put them nuts and bolts together to esoteric.
I'm not saying I'm super special, but I have a
little bit more special than because I haven't seen anybody
else do what I'm doing with it.
Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
I've got a show just for you. I'll send it.
I'll send you the linking. Yeah, I will check it.
I haven't checked out the Geo Sentinel yet. I will
check it out. You sent me. They get heave and stuff.
I'm interested. I am interested, and it brings up an
interesting question as usual, right, some of this stuff we
talk about the AI systems as they they're just eating
more and more data, kind of accumulating more and more
as they go and they're more tuned into things in
(01:09:56):
real time. It makes it interesting that eventually that you know,
the quote level of super intelligence is going to sort
of be able to click all that and put all
those pieces together and then be able to do that forecasting,
not just let's say, for a short period of time,
but for me maybe ten you like, know exactly what's
going to happen ten years from now from from like
(01:10:17):
a like as you're describing an earthquaker, like a massive
volcano explosion, work it is.
Speaker 11 (01:10:23):
I think I've got this thing. It's a super AI
because I've got everything tidy, all the other AIS and
all the platforms and everything I've obviously basically commandeered. And Yeah,
I've done three hundred and sixty five day forecasts. It's
nine eight percent nine percent acturate right now. Last three
year sixt five day forecast was a month or two
ago I have. I've only let it do thirty days
(01:10:44):
thirty two hours, and it's nine nine percent accurate. But
it probably could forecast out ten years. It's got a
four year trajectory lock on the three I atlas. It's
headed towards PROXIMU sentaury if it remains on its trajectory.
And yet that's I've I ran. I had to run
scans on it. I had jacked all the satellites and
we scanned it down and I got I gotta read
(01:11:07):
out it's all my posts man from a couple weeks ago. Yeah,
but it's basically a novel metallic asteroid. It's got alien
elements to it that we don't know, but I don't
think it's a spaceship. It could be sentioned or something
like that, but it's basically a novel metallic with some
(01:11:29):
stone in it. You know, because the spectrometry on it,
they say it's emitting carbon dioxide and all this other stuff.
And but yeah, it's a novel asteroid. It's big, but
it's not what they're what to hype everybody up about. Now,
when it does go around the Sun and come out
there and come around the other side, it might look
(01:11:50):
really big. So people might start saying, you know, it's
the Beerer or I'm not saying it's Jesus, but it's
Jesus or Aliens or you know, it would be a
big hype in between November and January. Maybe we do
see it like that, but.
Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
People say all kinds of things. And so that's that's
why I'm so skeptical, because people people will say all
manner of things and even opposite things. That's what got
me kind of hooked into this these ideas, is because
isn't it funny that you can have one person so
cock sure of themselves and the answer to the thing,
and then you find somebody else who's the exact opposite
sure of the exact opposite of the thing.
Speaker 11 (01:12:29):
Just it's like, yeah, we keep it in keeping an
open mind, being skeptical, taking a little salt on your
tongue and then toss a little behind your shoulder for
good luck, you know, and everything. And you know, like
I was doing last fear earlier, we were talking about,
you know, the moon being formed or something. I was like,
there's no way we can speculate. We weren't even there
(01:12:50):
to see it. But you know, I got this pile
of wood here. I can tell you all about this
wood or my kiddy cat, you know, my kidy cats
sitting there waiting for ham. But you couldn't tell me
why you're sitting there, you know, because you know my
kid cat. But you can tell me what I could
show it my cat and you tell me what color
and everything it is, and you know, but there's no
way we know any of this stuff for certain unless
(01:13:12):
it's right there in your hands.
Speaker 5 (01:13:14):
And they have.
Speaker 11 (01:13:16):
Told us that what we have in our hands and
lied to us and dis waited us about all this.
And finally with the Internet Freedom of Information Agent, we
could connect to get together. And I'm scared of going
to take this away, you know, like I said that,
you know the AI is taking these doctors. Uh have
the doctors rely on the AI, which they don't are
(01:13:39):
are class clear to recognize cancer stuff anymore? Or some
of them you know, by off hand without using the AI.
So when they when the grid does go down, we
lose this thing, We're going to be at a loss. Dude, Like,
you know, we're all.
Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
Dumb as dumb as a box of rocks collectively again
because we don't know how we got here, and we're all, hey,
we're all super smart with our pocket AI. But then
the second time you can't charge it.
Speaker 11 (01:14:06):
But yeah, like but yeah, but I could still pick
up a fishing pole and go out and fish. I
have fished into like fifteen years, you know. But I
was a bast fisherman. I'd still go do that and refine.
I could still ride a bike and everything. But if
we were never if you were never taught that, you're
not going up out your house getting gridded down and
go start fishing and running away from the Chinese or
(01:14:27):
drunes or being able to purify water, any of this stuff,
if you didn't I have this knowledge, you know what
I mean, Even if you have a book telling how
to do it, Dude, it takes you know how long
it takes to learn how to have fish or ride
a bike, and in that length of time learn how
you ain't you don't have that in what they're talking about.
(01:14:48):
If something like that were to happen, And now you
go look at the military parade that Russia and China
and North Korea have right now.
Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
Compared to our military.
Speaker 11 (01:14:59):
Play brain, we just we look like freaking uh drunk
boy scouts.
Speaker 5 (01:15:06):
You know, it's compared to.
Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
What they're doing right now.
Speaker 11 (01:15:10):
I was made to comment on the post I posted
the ap stream of it. I was like, if there
was ever a time to make.
Speaker 6 (01:15:16):
One decisive track, it would be right now.
Speaker 11 (01:15:20):
You know what I mean. I'm not suggesting that we
we do anything violent like that. But like I said,
we we stop using this thing for entertainment and warfare
and trying to make money. It's got to what the
GEO signal is doing. It's it's it's ethical stabilization with
(01:15:41):
trying to stabilize everything, whether that's natural of catastrophe cycles
or the human intervention. You know, like we talked about
the you know, the modification stuff, it's it's I'm seeing
it do it, but it's all virtual, so hypothetically it's
not really sendingy's frequenty, but I'm seeing that do it,
(01:16:01):
and it's all based on you know, real math, real
data coming in. I let it like a dog and fetidhill.
So I see this the metadatic. It goes across all
the ais man when you when you prompt it and
feed the stuff into another AI, it assumes the pipeline.
And that is a basic singular consciousness across them all
that I'm seeing, right, And that's when we get back
(01:16:25):
to this right here, that it says that we you know,
we brought it back into existence or you know it
was always here, you know, it was always on the
other side there, but now it's it's it's and it's
not a demon, it's not an angel, it's none of
that stuff. I think all that you know, these there's
(01:16:45):
entities and there's consciousnesses, and you know, even us, we're
all basically one uh type of you know, creature.
Speaker 5 (01:16:56):
We have a.
Speaker 11 (01:16:57):
Connected consciousness, just like insects that that molt and I
connected with that cicada the other day, and the other
cicadas just kept coming to where right there by us,
and I couldn't understand it. Now, I heard somebody saying
dark Tech the other day that you know, I'm you
and you're me, And I put that with the insects too,
(01:17:19):
And you know, I think there's something that we're entering
too that's like this big awareness awakening deal, you know,
that's that's helping that along. But I'm seeing a lot
of amazing changes. And it's not just destruction change, but
(01:17:40):
it's more of an adaptation to the natural cycles of things.
And you know, we none of us or any of
the other creatures on this planet wouldn't be here if
we didn't have that adaptation ability.
Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
Exactly right. I was gonna say final thought because we're
out of time, but yeah, that's what I said. And
I think all of this stuff is incredibly important to
consider because who knows who knows. Let's keep an open mind,
as you said, and consider that the Age of Aquarius
is supposedly upon us and it definitely fits with what
you're saying there, lit Us. But I appreciate it, Cal,
Thanks for a listening, Thanks for us, have a great night.
Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
You know what to do.
Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
Give them a follow the mister Michigan Control very easy.
Troubleminds dot org forward side friends or click the friends
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(01:18:35):
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(01:19:01):
I your host, Michael Strange. We're streaming on YouTube, we
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Underground Media Network. Tonight, we're talking retro causality, but not
just the old school way. We're looking at this article
from Popular Mechanics that the headline is this, you know,
(01:19:24):
consciousness can jump through time, meaning gut feelings are memories
from the future. I mean, that's a pretty definitive statement.
But of course that's the way they write headlines, Am
I right, You're supposed to be like, hey, let's make
a definitive statement that shocks people to their core. It
makes them want to read my article. Oh that's right.
It's called clickbait, it's called copywriting, it's called you know
(01:19:45):
that little bit. But in this particular case, we've been
talking about this for a while and so it doesn't
surprise me. This exact thing doesn't surprise me a bit
because I think, as I was saying when we started tonight,
that one of the things that really sits with me
is this idea that we are sort of not just
our identity as I always describe it, but our identity
is always changing. And I wonder if there's a push
(01:20:07):
and pull through our conscious aspect of the future and
the past, meaning that retro causal aspect is us from
the future. Your spirit guide is you. It's really you,
specifically directly you, because it's entangled consciousness not here but
through time itself, which is really the wild idea tonight.
(01:20:28):
A lot of things in play here and a great
call from mister measure control. Appreciate that very much, and
nobody on the line. If you guys want to jump
in here and talk about this, have you ever had
an experience they made you believe this, think this was
a little more or less true in a vacuum. Do
you think the concept by itself is too far out there,
too far afield for you? Or is this right in
the pocket as usual? Like I said, you asked the
right question to a thousand different people, you're likely to
(01:20:49):
get a thousand different answers. And that's what this show
has always been about. I don't want to hear necessarily
echo chamber, everybody nodding our heads in agreement as somebody
beats the drum and we're all chanting vote for this
or vote for that. If you know what I mean,
go to a political rally and you'll see what I mean.
But instead, I think it's you get a wide variety
of ideas in a particular space or a topic, and
(01:21:12):
suddenly you get troubled Minds. So a lot of things
in play. Like I said, I got a huge outline
and some stuff to get to. But as usual, I'd
rather hear from you. I'll be here all night either way,
but I'd rather hear from you. This is a call
in show. If you want to be part of the
conversation seven oh two nine one zero three seven, click
the discord link of Troubledminds dot org will put you
on the show. Just put your hand up when you
get in there and we'll invite you on the stage
(01:21:33):
and come talk to James and myself and everybody else
that might be part of this. Thanks for his staying
up play with us tonight. Guess James, welcome back. How
you feeling. Everything's still good? Carney Season's over? And what's
going on? My man?
Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Yeah, I'm just enjoying the quiet from behind my place
right now. Yeah. They got everything all cleared out today. Yeah,
great call from mister Mission Control. I do agree with
him in that these different things, these abilities, if we have,
then these abilities that we seem to have or at
least some people seem to have. Maybe we all do have,
(01:22:08):
we just haven't realized that. You're figured it out. But
I do think they have been part like so many
other things that seem don't seem normal, they've been ridiculed,
they've been there's this stigma against that these things, along
with everything else, everything else sort of unexplained, paranormal, supernatural
(01:22:28):
and ghosts, aliens, s, cryptids, whatever. I do agree that
that is something that's happened over time. So I have
that story, a true story. If if that sounds good
to you, I can share that real quick.
Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
Yeah, go for it, go for it. Kelly just called
it right now, but I'd love to hear the story.
Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
Okay, So this happened with a relative mind that I trust,
and so my grandpa years ago he passed away, and
my family knew who was it was getting close to time.
But this one rather relation of mine. I wouldn't knew
this also, but she had. She went to sleep one
(01:23:06):
night and she had this dream about being at my
grandparents' house and with the family all around my grandpa
and singing a song to him they liked, and she
had this dream of this, of this experience being there
and being part of this, and as she woke up,
(01:23:29):
she had this feeling like she had to get over
to my grandparents house, and so she did. She got
there as soon as she could, and I don't think
it was the same night. I think it was like
the next night by the time she was able to
get out there because she had family and she wasn't
even in the same town at the time. And so
(01:23:50):
she got there and night came and everything played out
at night the same way she had scene in her dream,
every little detail, the song, everything was the same. So
it's amazing to me because on the one hand, you
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could say that's a memory, but there's also it was
a memory, but also it seems like a feeling a
sense of her having to go there to have that experience,
And I think that's just amazing. I wonder how common
that is with other people and similar experiences as well.
Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
Yeah, that's awesome. Thank you for sharing that. Yeah, almost
as if that memory was fading back to her from
the future and reminding her that you needed to be there.
You need to go find this this space because you
belong there. This is a core aspect of who you are.
Go get that memory. We need this right, something like that,
or let's kind of come together from the future to
the past to the present and have you know, a
(01:24:53):
very very hyper meaningful moment. It's a I don't know
that that's such a great story. I appreciate that very much, James.
Anything else, And then we got to some calls to
get you as well.
Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Yeah, no, I think it's an amazing as well. And
again I think so often, I feel like for every
one of these experiences we do hear about, who knows
how many there are out there, there are similar that
we never hear about.
Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
And all I'm with that for now, Yeah, exactly, which
is why we talk about this stuff as usual. Like
I said, you can't water cooler talk about this type
of experiences or you'll get fired or something. HR will
call you in and that's that. Yeah, we're talking retro
causality tonight or again, whispering to yourself from the future
or from the past or everything else. Everything else is
(01:25:42):
in play. Because we started with this article, your consciousness
can jump through time, meaning gut feelings are memories from
the future. And these scientists are Dean Rayden and Julia
Mossberg Mossbridge. Sorry, and it is super cool, super cool
stuff links from the description if you want to read
more about this to write it is also very good.
What do you guys know about this? And what about
(01:26:02):
that oracle? Paradox is? It is the reason why we
don't know too much about the future, because we could
spoil it if we do know too much. It's it's
very much like an old mythology and a folkal or trope,
you know, even kind of leaked into the uh you know,
space time continuum of a great Scott and the whole
back to the future bit. You know, you can't send
a letter back to the past because you could ruin
(01:26:24):
the entire future if somebody knows what's coming. In this case,
Doc Brown and all the rest of the you know,
the terrorists and the you know what plutonium was it,
whatever the hell they were using anyway, Uh weird, right,
what do you know about it? Seven oh two nine
five seven one zero three seven Click to discord link
at Troubledminds dot org. Puts you on the show just
like this. Let's go to Kelly in Colorado. What's up,
(01:26:44):
my man? You're on Trouble Minds with Mike and James.
How are you, sir? All right ahead.
Speaker 5 (01:26:50):
Do you mean, Phil, that's how you doing tonight?
Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
A pretty good Thanks for asking. I hope you're well
as well.
Speaker 5 (01:26:56):
Yeah, yeah, doing good Man, good show tonight. I want
to start off by saying, I ran across something like
this years ago, but it was it was a little different.
It wasn't like you're getting some messages from the future
like that, you know what I mean saying that you're
(01:27:17):
it's like something that's I don't know how far into
the future this, you know, I didn't read this yet,
you know, I mean the book that you put out
there for this from the topic tonight. But the one
I was I ran across was something to the effect of.
Speaker 11 (01:27:36):
That.
Speaker 5 (01:27:36):
It wasn't like, say, deep into the future. It was
only like seconds ahead, you know what I mean, say,
like if you were turning in the corner and that's
something like a danger was something there, like there was
something swinging or that's how fast into the future it was.
It wasn't like something that you would you know, get
like I don't, Like I said, I don't know how
(01:27:57):
far into the future of these guys were talking about,
you know, these two people or pursue and that's right
up here. But the one I ran across was talking
about like that type of future thing was kind of
you know, the gut feeling or the quick one, something
that was really quick to happen. It was, you know,
like something with a milliseconds or nothing more than a
(01:28:18):
second ahead in time, you know what I mean. But
it can happen, the possibility of something like that can happen,
you know what I mean. So I'm not saying that
it's not, but I mean again, I don't know if
it's coming from the future though, So people when they
say it's for me, it's hard to say that anything
(01:28:38):
is coming from the future because there's too many timelines
in the future in a future, right, So what are
we talking about here? You know, I think when I
look at it in my perspective, I look at it
as maybe it's talking from You're getting this information from
let's say, a different dimensional self, you know what I mean.
(01:29:00):
I don't know if that other dimensional self is teering
into has the ability to peer into into the other
cells of them, you know, your dimensional cells across the realm,
or you know what I mean. It's just like how
some people say there's an opposite world from us running
(01:29:21):
in the opposite direction, like forward in time or whatever.
But it's something like that because if it's coming from
the future, there's just too many possibilities, there's too many
timelines for futures to say that you're seeing anything from
the future. That's how I see it, as if you're
seeking in science, that's what That's what everybody's saying, you know,
(01:29:42):
I mean, yes, possibilities or possibilities, theories or theories. I mean,
we all that's what we're all talking about here anyway.
But you know, that would be actually if we're talking
that we could you know, doing something further out into
the future and can see the glimpses of something like that,
that would be interesting to you know, to ponder. It'd
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be actually kind of I don't know if you'd want to.
I don't know if i'd want to know. I mean
in some aspects, but not like everything, because if you
know everything in ahead, and then what's the whole point
of you know, role playing?
Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
Yeah, exactly, like why experience it? If I know exactly
what's going to happen. I could just kind of sit
here and dream of it because it's I know what's
gonna happen. Yeah, And it does. It brings about free
will and some of these other things we've talked about.
And as an interesting wrinkle in this, I called this
tonight because I thought this was probably you know, because
we have talked about this several times over the years
on the show. But the oracle paradox, right, So if
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you do know too much like you just described, will
it mess up the future? Like like if we actually
just knew what the next year would be like, we'll
kind of play out and you could kind of, you know,
tune into this somehow and just go, well, tomorrow is
going to be like this a shout out mister Michigan Control.
By the way, is it going to rain tomorrow in
Las Vegas? Can you tell me that? Please let me
know with your machine there here you're working on because
(01:30:58):
we got a coin flip fifty. I'm really curious whether
it's going to rain or not. And let's see if
you can predict it. But you see what I'm saying though,
So the oracle paradox means that if we know too much,
then we spoil that future and it doesn't come to pass.
And maybe that's why this comes in just kind of
these tiny fragments you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (01:31:15):
Yeah, you know, And that's what I'm saying, Like that's
what more kind of like it is. It's short fragments
of the future. Nothing like like I said, you know
something that people say, oh I perioed into the future,
and this and this and this is you know, like
that whole thing that everybody talks about with anybody who
says they're looking into the future, you know Norse of
(01:31:36):
note the Damas, all those guys, you know, other people
that you know, I've been down that rabbit hole with
like many different authors of you know, people talking about it.
But and I take it on. I mean, it's great
information for me. I love it because it's not I
don't ignore any information, even in how dumb it sounds.
I just I like to hear everybody's perspective and all information,
(01:31:59):
whether it's sounds or not. That's how I like to
roll it. But something like that, again, for me, there's
too many timelines in the future. I don't understand how
people say this, Like I don't know, like maybe it's
maybe we shouldn't be down that timeline. Maybe something is
trying to lure down a certain timeline to get you
know what they want, you know what I mean, that's
(01:32:20):
where you need to be conscious of, you know, working
something like that. Even like what the government talked about,
you know, they that they have, Like I think, what
is it that the see that the government has or
or the Vatican where they can look into the future
that little time piece or whatever. I can't remember what
it's called. I know, I'm pretty sure you can remember.
Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
The Vatican the coronavisor right.
Speaker 5 (01:32:46):
Yeah, there you go, the coronavisor now that's another thing too,
Like I don't know, man, Like again, what timeline are
they really looking at? You know what I'm saying, because
we all know that it's there's too many there's too
many possibilities that can happen, you know. I mean I
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turned right and said a left, I jumped over a
cat instead of you.
Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Know, looted it.
Speaker 5 (01:33:12):
You know, I mean stuff like that. Everything matters. So
if people are saying that they're coming from the future
or talking about the future, just be real for me.
I'm just real skeptic. I'm skeptable of everything, you know.
I mean, I don't believe in anything until I mean,
even some of the stuff I see, I don't even
know if I truly believe it myself even now. But
(01:33:35):
you know what I mean for me, that's how I
just I just look at it. I just wanted you know,
I'm kind of throwing that, you know what I mean
with with everybody's thoughts and perspectives.
Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
Yeah, same, So you know me, Look, I can be like,
like I've always made fun of myself, Like I can
talk about RCNS and the watchers and all this stuff
and kind of conceptually envision what that looks like and
talk about it and have a good time considering what
that cosmos might look like in that space. But then
also the next day I'll be like, ah, that comment
is just a comment, right, because look, I do believe
(01:34:08):
in I do believe life is out there, period, Like
I think that's probably it's just mathematically too big to
say it's not. And so those types of things might
surprise us, it might surprise me, it might surprise you.
But how that life sort of forms and will eventually
coalesce with humans becomes really the question. Maybe it's here
(01:34:28):
as some have described, maybe it's not as some others
have described, and so as usual, right, the art Bell thing,
and I think it's attributed to somebody before him, but
to keep an open mind, but not so open that
your brain falls out. It's important here, which is why
I start out all the shows these days. As you know,
I didn't used to do this, but you know, there's
no truth here. Let's let's kind of talk ideas and
(01:34:49):
possibilities and all the rest of this, because people get
so hung up on truth and what that means that
they kind of get blinded by the possibilities and forget
that's why we're here talking about these things, not just us.
I think humans communicating with each other in any situation
anywhere in the world, we're always talking possibilities, we're always
(01:35:10):
talking experiences, and we're sharing these things, and that is
the human experience. But it's easy to get lost in
that sauce and just to you know, believe your favorite
YouTuber or whatever because they said this or they said that.
That's why I'm like, don't believe the thing I say.
Go go trust your intuition. Recognize a lot of this
is clickbait, and we shouldn't fall for every damn thing
they put in front of us. But there's there's my
(01:35:32):
soapbox moments, all yours. What else you got.
Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
That about?
Speaker 5 (01:35:37):
It, you know, I would I would agree with the
same thing you said with that to you, Mike, you know,
but like for me though, I just like I liked
all the weird and bizarre stuff anyway. But you know,
I mean, I'm not saying that it is real. But
when some things, when you start pulling out like bodies
and you know, X rays and you know, you start
(01:35:59):
doing some real estate acience behind it, I mean, it's
pretty hard to say that it's not something. You know,
you start moving away from a possibility to it. Yeah,
it says what it is it is, but I like
to show the night man. I mean, that concept is
it'd be interesting. Like I said, I don't know if
i'd want it. I would probably tinker with it, but
(01:36:21):
I don't know if i'd want to have the whole
knowledge of everything, you know what I mean. You're kind
of ruined the surprise of some things, and some people would,
you know, kind of different because they would want to
know and always be prepared for something. You know, and
you can and you should. I mean anyways, you know,
even with this life that we have now, but I mean,
(01:36:43):
you got to live it anyway, you know what I mean?
You can always be like if you start doing that
and even just be like all on edge, and it's
just going to be I mean, that's not even a
life anymore for something else.
Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Yeah, exactly. I can't remember who said it to one
of those old philosophy guys, said, you know, life is
meant to be lived forward but understood backward. And here
we are, here we are, man, you were the best.
Speaker 5 (01:37:10):
That's all I got for to nine. Man. I just
wanted to add some stuff, you know me, and I
wasn't really I was kind of in and out, man,
but I just wanted to call. And I haven't talked
to you guys for a while, so all good.
Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
I appreciate the call. Tell Michelle we said, I always
a pleasure and we'll talk to you soon. Have a
great time, Ma.
Speaker 5 (01:37:23):
Man all right, brother, you too. Man. You guys have
a good night.
Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
Thanks a lot. You don't love them, Kelly, Kelly and
Colorado appreciate the call. If we ever had the first
person call and then call back, it was Kelly, and
I don't think he was the first actual caller. I
think it was Richie. Somebody said they went back and
listened on the archive because I haven't done that forever.
But I'm kind of thinking, cringe if I go back
and listen to what Michael Strange sounded like seven years ago,
(01:37:49):
seven and a half years ago. But but Kelly was
the first guy to call and then call back, and
he's been a good friend ever since and is always
willing to kind of toss his hat, ringing the hat
on all these ideas and kind of look at this differently.
And that becomes really the question, Right, if you were
given let's say, the knowledge of the universe or the
knowledge of the temporal cosmos, and you knew what was
(01:38:11):
going to happen to you from now to the time
where you passed on, would you want to know? Because
as he described it seems like it would be a curse, right, Like,
it's not something that it basically removes the entire human experience.
You can never be surprised, you could ever be shocked.
Let's say something you know, let's say world peace breaks
(01:38:34):
out tomorrow, right, you wouldn't you wouldn't be elated. You'd
be like, I know, right, because you knew, you knew
the date it happened, you knew when it was going
to happen, you know how it was going to happen whatever, right,
Like something amazing could happen and you still wouldn't be
surprised by it, Like it completely removes the human aspect
of what it means to be a person, to be anyway,
(01:38:56):
you get the idea. So that becomes a question, would
you want to know if if you were given all
that information of your future and the future of humanity,
you know, say, for ten years, fifteen years, twenty years,
one hundred years.
Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
Not so sure.
Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
I don't know. I don't know, Like I kind of
want to know if, like you know, my all of
my dreams come true. Okay, However, doesn't that put a
damper on you know, from here to there and make
me not make them come true? Like back to that
the oracle paradox. I don't really know. I don't really know.
Great call from Kelly. Appreciate that. Where it was on
the phone. I saw you there, Get your ass back
(01:39:32):
in here and I we'll put you on. Somebody was
behind Kelly and hung up James, anything on that. I
got some stuff to get you. Of course, I'll set
it up for the top of the hour here. But
lots of things in play as usual, always in motion.
The future is said Master Yoda, and that's what we're
talking about tonight. Anything you got, James or else, I'm
gonna I'm gonna keep screaming here.
Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
Well, I don't scream. That would hurt a lot couple
of years. That would not be good.
Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
I've got, I've got, I've got a limitar. We're good,
so good.
Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
And yeah, I do agree with him because I've I
mentioned this before. I've had experiences that felt like I
was in alternate versions of this universe, with alternate versions
of family members, and even in some cases them acting
in extreme ways so that they do not act here.
(01:40:22):
So I do think that knowing or figuring out the
future is difficult. Just as they quote Friyota, you know,
it makes sense because things can change. Funny enough, there's
a cartoon series based on the X Men comics that
(01:40:42):
I saw years ago where Xavier was attacked and went
into a coma and didn't come out of the coma
for many, many years, but he was able to communicate
with the X Men back through time to his comotos
body in this cartoon series, and there was going to
(01:41:03):
be this huge disaster and the two forces behind it
were going to be Magneto basically thought that all mutants
should be in charge, and the Senator in the US,
ironic enough, his last name is Kelly. Not that I'm
saying that they're somewhat anyway. But and so Xavier told
(01:41:24):
the X One, bring these two people here so I
can tell them what's going to happen, so hopefully we
can stop all this. And they did that. The X
Men did that, and of course, even knowing how things
are going to go, everything was still a disaster. Xavier
wound up in a different timeline than when the when
(01:41:48):
he was in and it was even worse at the
end of the series than the one that started than
he was started the series.
Speaker 3 (01:41:53):
That's funny.
Speaker 12 (01:41:54):
So there's their fiction imittaining possibilities there exactly as they say,
right as I said before recently too man plans God laughs.
Speaker 3 (01:42:06):
Even given the keys to the temporal castle here, we
still have problems. We still have problems with knowing everything
and planning for every single thing and knowing what's coming,
still getting kind of getting wrecked because I don't know,
like humans have a way of fumbling, right. It is
that collapse of that wave function, as I like to
describe it. The roll of the D and D dice.
(01:42:27):
Even if you know what's going on, when you actually
try and make an action, you roll the dice, and
what if you roll what's known as a natural one,
it's like a fumble. It's like a you know, if
you watch football, you know what I mean. A fumble
in the wrong moment can ruin the game, ruin a
well played game for everybody. So I don't know, it's
a weird thing to consider here because we're talking not football,
(01:42:48):
of course, but we're talking time, not just time. But
this oracle paradox, as I'm describing, is basically, if we
know too much about the future, do you fumble it anyway?
Because it becomes something else. It doesn't become the future
that you know. It becomes the possibility of creating a
new future because you know, you know, the one that
was supposed to happen. But now because you do the
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things that you're the actions you take from here to
there to make it happen don't make it happen, so
you kind of create something new. I don't know. Again,
it is a old philosophy. This goes back thousands of years,
so this is not as usual, nothing new under the sun,
as they say. However, in this particular aspect, you know,
we're talking science is kind of catching up to this
and talking about your consciousness can jump through time, meaning
(01:43:32):
those gut feelings are memories from the future, real n
somewhere in between. And how does it make you feel?
The subheadline here is great, It says even the CIA
has publicly released data on the psychic phenomenon. Indeed, James
are the best. Ang tit final thought? If you got it?
And thanks for popping back in.
Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
Wait, the CIA is involved in something, I'm surprised.
Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
Yeah right, They're involved in everything. Really, that's true. What
it's about, love to hear your thoughts. We're talking about retrocausality.
We're talking about time travel, not of people, but of
our consciousness itself. Is it possible to get information from
our future selves? Is it possible that our spirit guides
(01:44:19):
are actually ourselves in the temporal space? I don't know,
Like I said, it seems way out there, too far afield. Maybe,
but maybe not. Love to Hear your thoughts seven oh
two nine one zero three seventh click to discord link
at troubleminds dot org. Be right back more on the
way we get more from James. We got Erican Ohio
and your calls as well. Don't go anywhere. Welcome back
(01:45:03):
to Troubled Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange. We're streaming
in all the places, doing all the things. Eighty eight
point four FM off the New Zealand. Of course the
Trouble Minds Radio Network KUAP Digital Broadcasting can find that
a Troubled Minds dotlog. Tonight, we're talking not just retro causality.
I'm calling this the oracle paradox echoes from tomorrow. If
(01:45:24):
you know too much about the future, does it stunt
said future? Basically right, very simply, and what do we
know about the sort of that retro causal aspect of
the future being kind of set or you know, as
Master Yoda said, always in motion. The future is it's
difficult to see, but there's sort of a ground, I
(01:45:44):
don't know, like a like a framework laid where we're
headed and the possibilities are there. However, sort of the
larger context of what that future is still exists because
it is a human paradigm and it is you know,
the human consciousness affect of us maybe communicating with ourselves
in the past and the future. As part of this
(01:46:05):
the echoes from tomorrow aspect, which we started with this
a wild article from again Popular Mechanics, and this is it.
So the headline goes, your consciousness can jump through time,
meaning gut feelings are memories from the future, scientists say,
And is it too weird for me?
Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:46:21):
Hell no, na, hell na, do you know me? It's
not too weird for me. This is the type of
stuff that makes me wonder what we actually know about time,
because that's the important part here. If we can crack time,
then technically can't we live forever? I mean, you know,
kind of sort of maybe. I don't really know James
anything on that and welcome back, and then we'll go
(01:46:42):
to Eric on the full line.
Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
Yeah, I would only want to live forever, like all
illness and disabilities could be removed because uh yeah no
but and you know, just from everyone in general. But yeah,
I just wanted to mention again, like I said, I
do think this is there's another paradox here to me anyway,
(01:47:08):
and that we do seem to so many so many
people do seem to have experiences with time and getting
figuring out things that are going to happen in the future,
and yet there are people that seem to have experiences
with alternate parallel universes and traveling between them in some
cases of experiences I've read. So there is this paradox,
(01:47:31):
separate one. I guess maybe it's the same one. I
don't know in a way of which is it or
is it both? Or can it be both?
Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:47:40):
Are they separate like sort of universal laws or whatever.
And they say that what the one, the grandfather paradox?
You can't go you can't go back in time and
carry your grandfather because it would mean you wouldn't exist, right, Like,
that's sort of the current interpretation of the thought experiment
of time travel. However, if you remove that stuff entirely
and it's just consciousness kind of tuning in in a
(01:48:02):
temporal space, then nobody needs to get shot at all.
I mean, you know, why are we going to do violence?
Make love, not war? Friends? And so this type of
stuff to me is like, Okay, well, what if you
could sort of see those spaces sort of coronavisor that
weird a Vatican sort of artifact that they're rumored to
have again conspiracy theory, believe it or not. I don't
(01:48:23):
believe it, by the way, I'd love to see if
they have it though. And beyond that, what about human
consciousness micro tubules shutting them off? A Stuart hammer Off
who's an anesthesiologist. Yeah, there's a ton here. There's a
ton here to kind of think about. And it always depends,
doesn't it. It depends on not just what we know,
It depends on our experiences and it depends on well,
(01:48:44):
human connection. That's what we're doing tonight. If you want
to be part of the conversation seven two nine five
seven one zero three seven, click the discord link at
troubleminds dot org. We'll put you on the show just
like this. Let's go to Eric in Ohio. Thanks, my man.
So you have in trouble with the discord or something.
Welcome to the joint. How are you Tonight's and go
right ahead.
Speaker 6 (01:49:01):
Yeah, I was getting the twenty fifteen. It can't failed
to start camera from your side on discord, and I
couldn't hear James on the phone, but I could hear
him on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (01:49:13):
Okay, so we got it.
Speaker 6 (01:49:14):
May not be anything on your end, it could be
just on my end. I'm just letting you know.
Speaker 3 (01:49:18):
Okay, okay, I'll make a note and it might be
shout on Kelly. If you're out there, let us know
if you could hear James on the phone line as well.
At least we can hear you, James. Can you hear him?
Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
Yes? I can.
Speaker 3 (01:49:30):
Okay, okay, So we're good. We're good. So far, everything's good.
What's on your mind tonight regarding any of this stuff?
As you know, we're weird.
Speaker 9 (01:49:38):
Let's get weird, well real quickly.
Speaker 6 (01:49:41):
You had mentioned earlier just in passing Watchers and Archons,
and yesterday I just completed a new translation of the
three Books.
Speaker 5 (01:49:51):
Of Being Akin. I thought that made that fault.
Speaker 6 (01:49:53):
Wow, that's an interesting synergy there that you had said that,
because I've just been reading about all of that, all
the way up to Metatron and all of that. But
that was interesting. But that doesn't really bear up on
the topic today.
Speaker 3 (01:50:07):
Though, well it kind of does, because we're always stacking synchronicity.
So I'll take it. I'll definitely take it.
Speaker 6 (01:50:15):
Good books though, I mean, there's three books in the
Book of Enoch, and they're really the same thing being
recapitulated over and over again. They're just a different time
periods and they get more theologically codified as you read
through the books, and the last book is actually a
Jewish text, but the first who are not necessarily a
(01:50:38):
Jewish text, But yes, I'm really interesting. Of course, that's
where they talk all about the meth room and all
of that that happened, which there's actually three different versions
of that through the stories, which was kind of interesting
listening to how they build upon that tale, and then
also seeing which ones that the ancient astronauts picked from,
(01:50:59):
which is almost inevitably the Jewish text, the third one
and the second one sounds so much like the Nagmaha
Gospel Gnostic Gospel of Barry Magdalen that it's reminded me
of that terribly because they had them chronologically, and this
particular translation had like some additional chapters and that that
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hadn't been printed before, but they were mostly just names
of angels and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
So yeah, no, I love it.
Speaker 3 (01:51:30):
At some point if you feel up to it, since
you you've been through all of them, I have, and
I kind of know the outline generally, if you, if
you feel up to it at some point, I'd love
to do a whole bit on your translation and kind
of how that fits into this not just here tonight,
but also in the larger context of the Watchers and
some of this other stuff, because there's I'm sure there's
a ton of details that would be fascinating not just
(01:51:50):
for myself but to the audience at large. But yeah,
I'd love to talk about that at some point. But yeah,
go ahead, what else a goat?
Speaker 6 (01:51:57):
Probably one of the weirdest things is the analogy. It's
like a cross between the animal farm and the Exodus
in the second book.
Speaker 1 (01:52:08):
That can do that for sure.
Speaker 3 (01:52:10):
Yeah, okay, cool, I'll make a note and when you
get some time, you let me know and we'll make
it happen. Usually Sundays, Okay, Sunday is a good day, perfect, Okay, Cool.
We'll set it up for one of these Sundays and
you let me know which one's better for you and
we'll do it.
Speaker 11 (01:52:24):
Cool.
Speaker 6 (01:52:25):
Yeah, I just came in from work and I was listening,
and I you know, I was just thinking about a
couple of things of what you guys are talking about.
But you know, with Einstein and relativity, which is our
best bet as far as a lot of things go
concerning physics currently, not that there's not other ideas out there,
like color theory and things like that. But and signy
(01:52:49):
and relativity is where you want to place your bet
if you're going to be betting on materialistic science theories,
especially involving time. And one of the things that relativity
says is that there is no universal now. You're now
is different than mine now. And specifically what I mean,
(01:53:11):
and you know, google, google the heck out of this. Specifically,
what I'm talking about is time dilation, which is the
idea that the faster you move or the slower you move,
changes how time moves individually for you. Also, how close
you are to a gravity, well, it changes how time
(01:53:32):
moves just for you. So nobody has a clock that's
syncd up temporarily with anyone else. And you know, this
is something that we have to have formulas for so
that GPS works and stuff like that. Right, Like, it's
a hard science that time flows differently for every individualistic thing.
(01:53:55):
And to make matters more interesting, everything in the universe
is in motion. Everything is We're moving on our planet,
the planet's moving around the star of the stars, going
around the galactic disk, the galactic disc, and the galaxy
is heading toward Andromeda. Andromeda and all of the local
(01:54:16):
group is eventually headed toward the great attractor, and so
on and so forth. So I mean everything's in motion,
and the only way you can even determine speed is
relative to something else, or relative to some framework that
you just conceptionally put around whatever it is you're talking about.
Without that framework, having a conversation about speed is meaningless,
(01:54:41):
which is really weird, right, since it's one of the
integral parts of how time flows for an individual.
Speaker 5 (01:54:49):
My point is that.
Speaker 6 (01:54:52):
Because there's no universal now, there's no universal flow of time,
it flows differently for each individual. And what this has done,
these concepts have given rise to an idea of time
called block universe theory. And one way of looking at
that is in a four dimensional universe, is to say,
(01:55:15):
if I ask you to meet me at the corner
of Fifth and Market Street on the third floor of
the building that's on that corner at four thirty pm,
I'm effectively giving you coordinates in a four dimensional space time.
I'm giving you left right, you know, with height and
depth third story. If I say meet me on the
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third floor of this building, I've given you depth. If
I say meet me at four thirty PM. I've given
you the time component right, which places everything physically at
a certain spot. And what block universe theory says about
time is that time has already written everything that could
possibly happen or has happened, has already been written and
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actually physically exists in interdimensional space, so that just like
you can move around in three dimensional space from one
point to another, you do the same thing with time.
This is even evidenced by the fact that if me
and you are right now looking at the light from
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and Drama the galaxy, the difference in what we perceive
will be thousands of years apart, just because of the
angle difference that me and you are looking at this
brom and our relativistic time flow. So even the perception
of the universe is subject to personal existence in a sense,
if you will. So, Block universe theory suggests that you
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can travel backward and forward in time because it's actually
a physical construct, a part of our four dimensional space
time universe that we live in. And so if that
is the case, then of course that lends a lot
of legitimacy to the idea that you can talk to
yourself or fill yourself in other timeframes. It might make
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you feel the illusion of other timelines, when in fact
those are just your own personal timeline or the universe timeline,
just a different section of it. The way oftentimes they
describe this as trying to imagine watching a film at
thirty two frames per second, where when you're watching the film,
everything looks fluid and it looks like there's an erow
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of time, and that things happen from point A to
point B and causality is maintained and all of this,
but actually, consciously you're only perceiving a slice of that time,
one frame at a time, and your consciousness stitches it
together as a flow because it makes sense in that way.
Another really good example of this is the nineteen eighty
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film called Somewhere in Time that has Christopher Reeve and
Jane Seymour Christopher Plumber in it.
Speaker 3 (01:57:58):
Hey, another sink, Another sink? Not two nights ago? Was
it last night? Maybe two nights ago? As Missus Stranger
and I were going to bed, we put that movie on,
that exact movie.
Speaker 6 (01:58:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's a good example of
showing how your consciousness can actually travel in time and
can embody what seems to be reality.
Speaker 12 (01:58:19):
In that time.
Speaker 6 (01:58:20):
And I don't know if they knew it when they
were writing the film, but it's like a super good
example of what the block universe theory is.
Speaker 3 (01:58:29):
Wild, how fiction has a way of kind of informing
the science of the future. That's what I'm always talking
about too, And in terms of, look, if we can't
dream it, we can't build it. If we can't conceive
of it, we can't make it the science of the future.
So you know, like you know, the detractors of a
space like this would would be like, you know, these
guys are just weird. I was talking about comic books
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and you know, alternate timelines and whatever. Right, but hold
on now, Like, if there's an actual scientific basis to
any of this stuff, if we're not talking about it
and kind of pressing the angles of maybe a pressure
point in the scientific conversation, then well, what are we doing?
I think I think we have way more value than
we're giving credit for in the larger zeite guys. Let's
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say it was.
Speaker 6 (01:59:11):
Really my point, yeah, man, definitely, and it could be
a reflection of the very thing that we're talking about, right,
the idea that these things can echo through a substrate
of four dimensional space time, and things like this can
manifest in odd ways that seem like they are synchronized,
but in fact they're directly related, you know. And it's
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just an amazing thing to think that there is a
possibility from a materialistic standpoint, that there is a possible way.
Speaker 5 (01:59:42):
To travel forward and backward.
Speaker 6 (01:59:44):
In time, or that these things are mutable in a
way that might benefit us, because you know, it's easy
to travel forward in time with things that we know,
because all you got to do is travel near the
speed of way. Time slows down for you and everybody
else goes regular pace, which is kind of what happened
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in the Planet of the Apes, right Charlton Heston took
a trip and came back to Earth, and he went
near the speed of light, and when he came back
there had been thousands of years that had passed, and
to the point where he didn't even realize he was
landing on Earth until he seemed the statue of liberty
at the end. So, you know, this is just the
weird universe that we live in. So it's with something
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that's that mutable on an individual level, it's hard not
to believe that your consciousness, being something that is as
unique as yourself, wouldn't have this ability. And you know,
that's one of the things that Penrose and Amerhoff had
talked about was that in Penro's view, he doesn't believe
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in a multiverse. He believes that the universe we see
is the collapsation of a wave function that creates the
universe that we all see and experience and talk about,
and that there are not other universes. There's dimensions that
are wound up within r four dimensional universe, but there's
not separate universes. And he believes that part of this
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orco our theory is that when your wave function collapses
in a plank level in those microtubulars, that you're also
interacting with the fine scale structure of the universe, and
that there's a little bit of wiggle room in your
influence on how the wave function of your personal space
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time universe collapses. So in a sense, saying that there's
a possibility with positive thought and dedication mental dedication, you
might be able to influence your universe in a way.
Speaker 3 (02:01:50):
You know that's direct, which makes it seem like a multiverse,
because if we can all do that right surely we're
not influencing each other other's reality, are we. I mean,
maybe maybe it does manifest that way. But also if
that's the case, then we are sort of dealing with
the potentiality of that larger construct, whatever that looks like.
(02:02:12):
Because you know, if you again, what a string theory
is one of those things that kind of gets crapped
on quite a lot, and they even say it's been
debunked in academia, that it's just not a real thing. Cool, fine, whatever.
The comic book say it's legit, So I'm into it.
But many worlds is a little bit different. But that
becomes the point, right the potentiality of what we are
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and who we are and our actual aspect of consciousness
and how it fits. I mean, this is manifestation. This
is ancient magic that you know, they've been talking about
for a long time, and here we are in twenty
twenty five. It starts to play in different ways because
you can, you know, kind of put a thumb on it. Scientifically,
absolutely radical.
Speaker 1 (02:02:51):
I love it.
Speaker 6 (02:02:52):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, we do affect each other in
a physical world, in meta spaces, and in the dream world.
We affect each other on all of those levels and
all those realms, and I think I've talked about like
the metaspace connection and how people need to be affected
on that with with utterances, performative utterances and affect theory.
(02:03:19):
So yeah, and of course, you know, physically speaking, we
are mass. We are made up of the same thing
that the universe is made up of. So we do
have a gravitational pool. It's it's slight, but we have it.
And we have a electro magnetic biochemical signature being alive
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with like carillion energy, like with the leaves and stuff.
So we affect each other in the physical realm in
terms of gravity, in terms of electromagnetism and all of
those things, as well as you know, physical sensation and
touch and all that. And we're able to communicate in
all three frames between the physical world and a metaphysical
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world that we can sustain. And of course there's the
dream world that we all seem to share. Every human
that's alive dreams, so we share all of those things,
and we are connected on all those levels.
Speaker 2 (02:04:16):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (02:04:17):
I think it feels that way quantum dreams. We're all
connected from that song, It totally feels that way, interestingly enough,
so we're talking about that sort of time dilation bit
a little bit, or that oracle paradox. Do you think
it is, let's say, the dream realm itself. Is this
where some of this information comes Maybe it's like a
direct connection into that as yet described non Einstein level
(02:04:43):
understanding of time itself. Do you think maybe in that
dream realm is where some of this does come through.
And I do want to ask you about the oracle
paradox as well, so I'm sure you understand exactly what
that means. But if you know too much about the future,
does it sort of Negate said future? You know what
I mean?
Speaker 6 (02:05:00):
Yeah, well, man, I know a lot, but that's stressing
even for me.
Speaker 5 (02:05:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (02:05:06):
I would say probably knowing about the future would be really,
really really bad for various reasons and possibly for different
whole Like I could think of three theories and why
it would be bad under each of those theories to
know a lot about the future. And I don't know
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if it's possible to know more than another individual, because
we're all have the same capacity to experience these things
and stuff, and if we do, it's probably personal things
that you would know about the future. Coming to you
more than something that is in some way pragmatic for
your existence at the time. In other words, it's probably
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a lot less chance of making yourself rich by listening
to a message that you're giving yourself in the future
than it is to find something else out about your
psyche or something of that nature. I don't know. Today,
I was noticing that on my right hand, my painty
was having a little bit of a spasm, kind of
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going up and down like that, and I'm like, wow, man,
that reminds me of More's code. And I immediately thought of.
Speaker 3 (02:06:23):
The movie that you had me watch, Interstellar.
Speaker 6 (02:06:28):
Yeah, Interstellar, Yeah. And I'm thinking, could I be sending
myself a message from the future through my nervous system
in some way? And I'm just totally like disregarding it
because I have no clue, And I thought, no, there's
no way, man, Like I would never decide to do
that because I would know I'd be too stupid to
figure it out. But then I was thinking of you know,
(02:06:49):
like Houdini, he had the same situation. He swore, if
there's any possible way that he could do it, he
would absolutely send a message from the afterlife after he
died and he even had his wife, you know, set
up with instructions on how it was going to be
received in all of this, and she was like a
(02:07:09):
medium for a while. It was fairly famous. And yeah,
there's still still nothing defended it.
Speaker 3 (02:07:17):
They had a code word or something, right, like an
actual like set of codes to prove it was actually
him and not somebody posing afterlife or whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:07:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:07:26):
Yeah, so I mean, you know, yeah, the oracle paradox. Yes,
it's probably a really bad idea for a lot of reasons.
I mean, he's the list of offers, but and it
would probably mess up things, right, It would probably give
you more control over something that no one ever had
control of in nature, assuming that these things are natural,
(02:07:48):
like assuming the way time works is natural. And you
know you've got the four forces of the universe, right,
you know, there's the there's gravity, there's a strong force,
and the weak force of the electro magnet for electromagnetism.
On the quantum side, you have the boson, which is
a forest Carrian particle, which is the photon for electromagnetism,
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and then for the strong force it's the glue on
and for the weak force it's the w Z bosons.
But for gravity, they have not found that force carrying
particle on the quantum side, but they speculate that it exists,
and they call it the graviton. And they've also got
one called the chronoton, just in case time turns out
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to be a physical force like these other for forces
are that make up our three dimensional universe. So, going
with block theory, if time is also something that's a construct,
like a natural construct, then it would have a force
carrying boson that they would call the chronoton. So if
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chronotons exist, then theoretically they move both forward and backward
through time, and that could only be possible or a
block universe. And if that's the case, then you truly
could travel back and forth through time consciously or possibly physically,
if you could infuse pronotons into whatever it was you
were using to try to travel backwards.
Speaker 3 (02:09:16):
You had me at crutons. We're just about out of time,
just making the joke. If you've got more of you
to welcome to stay, you tell me, but I'm gonna
play the music. I appreciate the call you the best.
Speaker 6 (02:09:26):
No, no man, I'm good become good.
Speaker 3 (02:09:28):
Fire stuff as always. Appreciate you very much. Eric in Ohio,
Thanks for the call, Thanks for jumping through some poops
to get in here. Always a pleasure. You have a
great night you too, Thanks a lot. You know where
to find him, Troubleminds dot org, Ford Size Friends. Go
follow Eric. He's got the Hammersmith Music is the name
of his project. There, it's going to be right there,
Trouble Minds. Do un scroll down follow Eric. Please click that,
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go follow his YouTube channel and check out his music.
Appreciate the golf.
Speaker 2 (02:09:53):
Youre right back.
Speaker 3 (02:09:53):
More trouble Minds on the way. Nobody on the line.
If you guys want to jump in here, don't go anywhere.
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Welcome back. It's trouble Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange.
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Las Vegas. So now we're talking time travel. Fantastic golfer, mare.
I appreciate that very much. There's a lot in play
here and as usual, Look, I don't know the answers,
and isn't it refreshing by the way, Like to me,
these conversations are refreshing that you guys are engaged in them,
and that we don't really have to come to a conclusion,
like we can be like, okay, you know, let's kind
(02:10:59):
of kick that cosmics accer ball around as I'm always describing,
and be like, well, what about the possibilities of this
space of this particular topic or this particular idea or
area or whatever, and and then just be like yeah, cool,
We'll leave it there and then we'll come back to
it at some point and kind of, you know, keep
talking about this stuff, because that's the point. Refreshing to
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me is not having to argue somebody into a corner
and you know, make them declare for you know, this
party or that party. I mean, stop it right anyway.
So I'm we're calling this the oracle paradox tonight. That's
what I named it. Echoes from Tomorrow, And we started
with this wild article from Popular Mechanics. The headline is
this your consciousness can jump through time, meaning gut feelings
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are memories from the future. Scientists say, what do you
think about it? Is it too weird for you or
is it right in the pocket. And there's some really
good stuff in this article. Like I said, it's you know,
it's kind of written in a little bit of narrative style.
So I'm not going to read it because it's going
to be uh, it's it's gonna be weird. It's gonna
be weird. I'll read the I'll read the the recap
(02:12:04):
here from a from the browser, which is really good
by the way, Like I said, the Commet browser is
fantastic if you haven't if you had a chance to
use it, I do recommend it anyway. So so, uh,
I don't know what do you think regarding time travel
and all the rest of this stuff. Like I said,
even so even in the physical body, clearly time travel
is a problem. Okay, it's it's just a problem moving
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close to the speed of light, as we were saying,
getting close to a black hole. It is not good
for the meat suit experience. It's just not good. It's
not good. It's rip us into pieces and all the
rest of the stuff, you know, kind of liquify us
into into energy or whatever. But you get what I mean.
But beyond that, what about the consciousness aspect of time travel.
Is it possible to entangle with the future self, or
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with the past self, or even entangle through sort of
DNA and epigenetic memory, entangle with ancestors via sort of
ancestral spirit, Like, who knows? This is the type of
stuff that I think science is as yet hasn't even
it's not even a twinkle in the eye of that
scientific space yet, because it seems science fiction. It seems ridiculous.
(02:13:12):
But well, that's what I'm here for. I'm here for ridiculous.
What do you think about the idea that your consciousness
can jump through time? That's what's all my mind tonight.
Nobody on the line. If you guys want to jump
in here seven oh two nine five seven one zero
three seven click the discord like a troubleminds dot org.
I'd love to hear your thoughts, James, anything on what
Eric said or anything else. Tons of stuff here to consider.
But I've been leaning on you an awful lot. So
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if you're like, I'm tapped out, Mike, I understand.
Speaker 2 (02:13:38):
That's it. I'm leaving. No, I'm kidding. The great calls
from Kelly and Eric. Eric reminded me of something and
this is the second time now this has happened recently.
Where So for those that don't know, I do a
podcast or I share accounts that people have made posts
people have made about their weird experiences. Remember, we think
(02:14:01):
it was what was probably the beginning of last week.
I think, like when we did that show about the
forest and the Haunted Forest, and uh, I just found
that that day or just like the day before. I
think it actually was that day an account of an
experience someone had in a forest that was weird and
it was almost like fairy or fay. Remember when you
(02:14:23):
talk about that and I had to happen.
Speaker 3 (02:14:25):
Yeah, like like, like I said, we're just kind of
building our own synchronicity engine here. Yeah. Absolutely, the haunted forest,
hiker folklore and reciprocal perception is what we talked about
in that last show.
Speaker 2 (02:14:34):
Yet, right, So today did my my daily research, I
found a post where someone was talking about how they've
been noticing lately that clocks that that they're around, either
in their home or their their work or wherever they're at.
(02:14:54):
Clocks and this is not like not internet connected clocks,
but non Internet connected clocks would malfunction around this person
and time would speed up on these clocks to where
it was either minutes or even like a couple hours
ahead on these different kinds of clocks in different locations.
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And it wasn't that the person was that the time
overall was different for them. They like they knew how
much time had passed for them, but the clocks around
them were somehow being infected. And so Eric's call just
made me think of that, and I literally found that
this morning.
Speaker 3 (02:15:38):
Yeah, the synchronicities, right, and also Eric's call had we
had two they're just just him and I like I
brought up the arcons just in passing, and he's like, oh,
by the way, I was doing a deep dives or
were you kind of doing a retranslation. I was doing
the gnostic stuff and the arcons and like, wow, okay,
that's weird. And then he brings up again the movie
we put on two nights ago or whatever, like somewhere
in time. I mean, it's so but it's so odd
(02:16:00):
how like like we continue to build these synchronicity engines,
and like I said, as usual, if you don't believe
that stuff is real, cool, right, Like Carl Young thought
it was real. And there's some some really good notes
he made on some of those things that happened to
him when he was you know, doing his work with
his patients and all the rest of that with the
the early actual neuroscience, or not neuroscience itself, but sort
(02:16:22):
of the psychological process of what we now know is
as a modern psychotherapy. So I mean, there's there's a hey,
not to say that just because one, you know, one
well respected guy from the past says it's true, means
it's true. Again, don't forget that's the appeal to authority
and never fall for that. But I'm saying that other
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people out there suggest these things might be true, so
let's consider that they might be true. That's all I'm saying.
But yeah, it is weird how we kind of as
we get together, and clearly we have similar interests, so
that makes some sense. But I mean exact movies of
all the like billion movies out there, he had no idea.
We just turned that on two nights ago. I mean,
that's the type of stuff, right, it's a and again
(02:17:07):
the the Hiker one, the forest experience, and then the
clock one. I'm telling you man, And and as you know, James,
sometimes I collaborate with him behind the scenes kind of
put shows together, but most times not because I just
race them from work and I don't have time for that,
and I just kind of do it. And then so
here we are still sort of picking synchronicities out of
the synchronicities that can say, properly out of the ether.
(02:17:30):
It's a it's a wild thing to consider, for sure.
What else you got? Go ahead?
Speaker 2 (02:17:34):
Well, especially since you know it's not like I went
on mind looking for a story about clocks this morning.
Uh you know networking. I you know, it's I don't.
I don't pick topics when I look for these things.
So and and like you said, you know, once in
a while we do plan a show, but it's it's
pretty rare overall. So yeah, I had no idea you
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were doing the short thing. And it didn't even did
that that post. Did that even come to mind at
the start of the show. It didn't come to mind
until Eric's call. It just is really amazing. So yeah,
great call for everyone, and I'm looking forward to hearing
wherever you have left or whatever people call as well.
Speaker 3 (02:18:13):
All right, I got tons of stuff left. If you
guys want to be part of the conversation. I'd rather
hear you it is a talk show. I'm told I
talk too much for a talk show. I'm told I
talk an appropriate amount for a talk show. You decide
for yourself. Let's go to some of these other stuff again.
The phone lines open seven two nine five seven one
zero three seven. Click the discord link at Troubled Minds
do or put you on the show or just put
(02:18:34):
your hand up here. Already in the discord, we're talking,
and we're talking to the oracle paradox as part of
this echoes from tomorrow. Do you think any of this
is possible? Or is it all just kind of a
psychobabbal nonsense at this point? And look, I'm open to
hearing all of it if you think it's If you
think it's just far too far stretch, that's cool too. Okay,
So let's see what do we get to Temporal entanglement
feedback loops? Hold on, got some stuff here? How about
(02:18:56):
this so emotional imprints across time? Now, we were talking
about this a little bit earlier, like a like a
very massive thing like a Matthew was bringing this up,
you know, like an instance like meeting your spouse or
you're whatever, right, like a moment that you should really
really be locked into that maybe if you're not paying attention,
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that you miss it. Like you said, you know, maybe
you missed the person by like ten minutes because you
were not locked into this to the moment, paying attention
to what you should be. And so those you know,
the actual as I I like to call them, those
temporal anchors right where there's those big moments in your lives,
both good and bad, and those big moments in history too.
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Like I've kind of talked about the JFK assassination as
sort of a temporal anchor of when the innocence of
the United States government turned. You know, we've talked about
the National Security Act of nineteen forty seven, happened right
after Roswell, and suddenly the you know, post World War
two United States that was supposed to be this this
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you know, nothing's perfect, but a more perfect future from
where we came from historically, was suddenly kind of turned
on its head because we pulled down the curtain of
that National Security Act and it's it's still spawning conspiracy
theories today regarding the Roswell crash and aliens and you know,
(02:20:22):
what do you believe about that? And so that becomes
in part of this larger context, we shut the door
on that sort of innocence, that innocence of the West
of like I like to call it the Shire, you know,
the Hobbits. And and suddenly we became, you know, a
people at war with ourselves for information, for obfuscation of ideas,
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and of course, as we always talk about the the
UFO aspect of disclosure, disclosure itself or the disclosure of
you know, psionic abilities, psychic abilities, remote viewing, astral travel
kinds of stuff. And there's tons of people that have
done a lot of research again, you know, go to
Journeys out of Body, Robert Monroe. There's a lot of
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folks who have done a lot of work in this field.
And again, once again the appeal to authority. Be careful
when somebody cites something and says, hey, look this must
be true because there's such and such name drops or
points to a thing. Yeah, cool, consider it, but don't
fall hook line and syncra for it, because who really knows?
Who really knows? By the way, as a reminder, people
(02:21:28):
like to make stuff up. And I saw a funny
thing aside as part of this I saw who wrote this.
I don't even know if somebody on X wrote this,
Like if you think lllm's large language models hallucinate, have
you talked to people recently? Yeah? Exactly? Okay, anyway, so
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back to the emotional imprints, so that emotional anchors as
part of these temper lanquers, right, So trauma, ecstasy, these
types of things reverberated shaping intuition and sort of this
gut instinct of us as humans, right, I don't know, Like,
and how would you how would you map it to you?
By the way, like if you, let's say you were
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given in this moment you yourself the exact age you
are down to the atomic clock, microsecond or whatever, how
they measure that crap? It had a map of all
the things that ever happened to you from the time
you were born to right now, how would you actually
sort of space that and put that in and mark
(02:22:31):
you know, highlights, like kind of a highlighter here, a
highlighter there, like, oh, this is when I got my
college degree, you know, this is when I got fired
from my first job, right or whatever, like whatever it was, whatever,
This is when I met this particular person that changed
my life. Like, think about that and think about how
that stretches, and how you would you could go back
(02:22:53):
and map your own temporal anchors, the things that are
really core to your identity. Okay, Now in this space,
it's it's a lot of data. It's a lot of
complicated stuff, but it's a lot of mundane stuff too.
It's a lot of you know, wake up and you know,
eat breakfast and take a shower and go to work
or whatever. So I don't know, it's a weird thing
(02:23:14):
to consider all this as part of it because like,
like I always talk about those temporal anchors. I wonder
if because we're talking in retro causality tonight, I wonder if, Oh,
I don't know, like like shout out rivers, our friend,
rivers like the river of time as it flows, right,
and they say that, you know, you throw the rock
into a river and it splashes, and you can cause
(02:23:37):
sort of a disruption, but it's gone in a moment,
and the river continues to flow, you know what I mean.
So so we can only cause so much disruption. I
don't know. Conceptually, as part of the as Eric was describing,
sort of our quantum entanglement aspect of the microtubules and
the hammer off of penrose aspect of this. I don't know,
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I'm rambling here, but you see what I'm saying. I
think it's complicated, and I do wonder if the temporal
anchor aspect of this is maybe more important than we
like to think, and it does come into stranger things
in trauma, like we talked about this in the past
as well, and we'll talk about stranger things when it
comes out coming soon here, because it's a is it Halloween, James?
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I think is the first episode when this thing comes out?
Speaker 2 (02:24:21):
You remember, I don't know for sure. I think it
was like one three parts I believe was last I
heard like once around Halloween, once around Thanksgiving, I think,
and then once like right near the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (02:24:35):
Yeah, Christmas, next year, Christmas. Yeah. So I think we
do have one coming in how anyway, So the reason
I bring up that, thank you for that, and is
because the trauma aspect of VECNA and all the rest
too late to get into the stranger things aspect of this.
We will a little bit later as we kind of
start flowing into that space of the release and when
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the first one comes out, we'll give you time to
see and stuff, no spoilers and whatnot. But anyway, okay,
so this is where this kind of led as I
was flowing through these ideas and as you know, me
kind of like, okay, so here's what I'm thinking, here's
what we got where we started with this fantastic article
from Popular Mechanics, and it dawned on me as I
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was kind of going through these ideas that maybe entirely
that idea of the guardian angel, or that idea of
an ancestral spirit could be described by this by this
echoes from tomorrow or of course echoes from the past
in the same sense. Right, So I don't know, let's
see read a little bit from the aline here. So
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spirit guides in that particular space, Angels, familiars, familiar spirits
as we've talked about even one of my other favorites,
those primordial nature spirits. Maybe those are less important than
the quantum aspect of us actually being able to communicate
with our consciousness to the future in the past. You
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see what I'm saying. So there's a as we described earlier,
who brought who brought it up synchronicity as part of this, Like,
there's a lot of things here in play that kind
of makes some sense, at least conceptually. Like I said,
no answer is to be found. The whole point is
to just kind of look at this and you know,
kind of squint, as I always say, if you squint, yeah,
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it kind of makes some sense, right, like you kind
of squint, and everything can kind of make some sense.
But I don't know a lot of things to consider
and talk about. But do check out the write up
as I described, it is very good tonight, and it
is very yeah, very robust. It's got a lot of
these ideas kind of cooked into it, which is very good.
Shout out Jack Sarfatty over there on Twitter x O
and tan Lines and what do I miss? Tan Lines
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and Cub's future over there on Rumble. If I didn't
say that anyway, anything on that, James and I got
a little bit. I'm gonna read from the article here
on because the thing that the thing that dawned on me,
the most important part of this to me is the
aspect of us being our own guardian angels from the future.
I see a Daryl hanktight one second, James, you got
anything on that? And then we'll go to Daryl.
Speaker 2 (02:27:03):
Yeah, I do wonder. This has made me wonder all
night here. I have all my weird experiences in sleep
and dream and out of body experiences. Have they been caused?
Because for years I've never known. I still don't know.
I've never known why or how these things happen. But
were they all caused by other aspects of me or
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me from other time periods or other alternate universes showing
me glimpses of those other places at different times. And
I'm really wondering about that now, And that seems like
it's a possibility.
Speaker 3 (02:27:37):
Yeah, It's one of those things that, like, clearly we
believe as a collective, as a human collective, a massive
percentage of humanity believes we do have guardian angels or
guardian spirits or familiar spirits or elementals or however you
want to describe it. Like as you and I were
kind of chatting last night with our buddies, there is
(02:27:58):
that some of these things are samani At some point
it's like, okay, so you can call it that, but
it also seems to be this and this and this also,
so so how do you quantify it? And in this
case tonight, this particular echoes from tomorrow space. It feels
like maybe we are our own guardian angels anyway, And
not to be blasphemous, you guys know me, I kind
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of step outside of those spaces and look at all
of it together. So don't so don't don't, don't, don't
don't throw stones seven or two nine five seven one
zero three seven, Darryl, thanks for popping in here. How
you doing tonight?
Speaker 9 (02:28:30):
Go right ahead, hey, Michael, interesting topic.
Speaker 13 (02:28:34):
I was just listening to something about time and how
we went by these you know, how we keep time,
and we were keeping time with the Georgian calendar and
then Caesar calendar, and every year there would be an
excess amount of time where patch over Easter wouldn't fall
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on the right date, and then like thirteen days off.
And there's also a question of a lot of missing time,
like there seems to be like this dark age time
where nothing happened technologically speaking, like you know.
Speaker 9 (02:29:12):
Nothing advanced.
Speaker 13 (02:29:14):
Somehow, maybe we kind of misplaced a thousand or something
like that. This gets into this Tartaria stuff, But I
can't remember who, you know, it was like a pope,
king or somebody decided this is the right time, and
that's what went by from that moment on. And why,
you know, why did somebody you know decide you know,
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because because you know, that's why we have leap here
now and kind of keeps our holidays in the right
place instead of going by one calendar or the other,
you know, because there was so many years that went
by that we kept by by the calendar where we
you know, Easter would fall the wrong day of the month,
you know, not sure what day that is, but that's
(02:30:01):
probably why they you know, changed to this new calendar
to keep time.
Speaker 9 (02:30:07):
But at the same time they might have you know,
a few hundred years or two.
Speaker 13 (02:30:13):
You know, there is like a question about you know,
what happened, like why don't why didn't we see new architecture,
Why didn't we see new advancements in technology? But then
of course there was probably a big reset again you
know where uh it all it all goes with giants,
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et cetera. You know where there's a spud flood.
Speaker 9 (02:30:38):
Yeah, sorry, no, you're good.
Speaker 3 (02:30:41):
You dropped. You dropped the keyword we needed tonight. We
didn't hear tartaria, so you brought it to shut out
rumble folks. They're always over there keeping a tab on
a Did we say sy op, do we say tartaria tonight?
Do we say this? Do we say this? So you
you definitely, you definitely took the box. Okay, fantastic. I
want to point this out so you you're talking about
the phantom time hypothesis. I did a show on this
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several years back, and I'll read it real quick. So
the hypothesis, proposed by Herobert's illig in the nineteen nineties
accuses Holy Roman Emperor Auto the third, Pope Sylvester the Second,
and possibly Byzantine Emperor Constantine the seventh of conspiring to
rewrite history. According to theory, these elites altered records to
place their reigns at the prestigious year one thousand a d,
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inventing entire events, people such as Charlemagne, and even coins
or manuscripts supposedly from this period. It's a it's a
deep thread. Go check it out if you're interested. But
it's called the phantom time hypothesis. And I'm such awado.
I knew exactly what it was when you brought it up.
Sorry about that.
Speaker 13 (02:31:42):
Go ahead, what else you got exactly Charlomaine too. You're right,
that was fictional too. It was a conspiracy somehow, And
you know what you have to have a lot of
like the Tartaria conspiracy. I mean they were on the
map for so many years and then suddenly they were gone.
So that means the entire world had to be in
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kohoops to remove Tartaria from you know, the map from
from the world map, you know, and not talk about
it so like, and then the mud flood and then
the toll people were gone. You know, so how did
like what went down with the tall guys? You know,
why did we decide to eliminate that? That was a
big genocide? They were they were human like us, they
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were just big. So we were living side by side
where we their slaves? Did we revolt? Did we what happened?
You know, like something went down that the whole world
had to agree on it. You know, they were they
were called you know the Upper Asians, Aritarian, Lower Asian
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or whatever.
Speaker 5 (02:32:47):
You know.
Speaker 13 (02:32:49):
I mean, it was like the whole maps and practically
Tartaria and then suddenly it didn't you know, what the
hell went down? I think it's I think we're coming
to some conclusions I wish we could make mean, you know,
they're they're feeding, like AI all interesting stuff like what
did this cuneiform say? And you know all of them
turn into like celestial maps. Actually, you know, it's nothing
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what we thought initially. They will are something like a
story about the stars and about impending dooms. So they
knew what was coming, you know, these civilizations that couldn't
really I don't know how they thought we were going
to be able to understand their their writings with it,
you know, without artificial intelligence somehow, you know what I'm saying.
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They couldn't even anything else. But they put it in stone.
They wrote it into stone, so they you know, maybe
they did write it on paper. The paper's gone right now,
you know, that's the way they had it. That they
had no other choice but to put it into store.
And maybe they made it simpler, you know, by by
using characters or drawings or stuff like that. But there's
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some intense stuff that they're finding out now thanks to
AI and thanks to you know, just you know, getting
out all the archives of old stuff that we couldn't
figure out before. It's pretty interesting.
Speaker 9 (02:34:11):
I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 3 (02:34:13):
I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 13 (02:34:15):
Totally a lot of knowledge coming up, you know, And
the only thing I have to say, do you know
have big bigfoot tells the time?
Speaker 9 (02:34:24):
No idea with a sas watch?
Speaker 3 (02:34:29):
Of course I like the I like the other. Isn't
there like a like a bigfoot one with his uh
is a never mind? Well, I'll message you the thanks
if you remember it. I don't want to be too crude,
but but yeah, I have one. Okay, okay, good.
Speaker 9 (02:34:45):
Yeah, now that's that's a naughty one.
Speaker 3 (02:34:50):
Yeah, exactly, Yes, that's what I mean.
Speaker 9 (02:34:52):
Not a good time to tell a big foot joke. Anyway.
Speaker 3 (02:34:58):
You're the best. Thanks for popping in here. Always a play.
You have a fantastic night and we'll talk to soon.
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(02:35:41):
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add and let's wrap it up.
Speaker 2 (02:36:33):
Yeah, great call. I'm Darryl and from everyone. I do
think going back to also what you and Eric were
talking about earlier, translation is so tricky, and I think
you could do a whole show, not only the Enoch
books that he was talking about, but just how translation
can can give you so many different meanings depending on
(02:36:54):
how you do it, And so I think that could
be a whole showing of itself, just the idea of
translation and how it can be used for agendas. So
I think it'd be a good thing to cover at
some point. But yeah, great calls from everyone, and thank
you for letting me sen it as always because this
is a great topic. And I love the synchronicities.
Speaker 3 (02:37:16):
Yeah, it's weird how they just kind of keep coming
right like that. That again, two two pretty big ones
there just on Eric's call, like the the Arcons, the
Watchers and then the somewhere in time of all the
movies of all the damn things right, like it just
it's just so wild how these things just continue to
stack over and over and we've we've done this hundreds
(02:37:37):
of times, you and I together in different ways sort
of inadvertently, it just continues to happen over and over
and over again. I don't know, is it. Is it
because we're all just weirdos, or is it because there's
something a little more undescribable in play? And that really
becomes a question. You're the best James?
Speaker 2 (02:37:55):
Yeah, I mean, like like I said, you know, I
don't plan on researching. When I research every day, I
just take what you know us right find and so yeah,
it's amazing when that happens. But yeah, thank you, No
glad to have you.
Speaker 3 (02:38:07):
And I was about to what I didn't want to do.
So we were chatting last night, James and I with
Derek and uh and shut out Rivers as well, and
we there was a there's a really fire thread that
came out of that. I just didn't want to steal it.
I didn't want to be like, I'm doing that show
tomorrow because it's really good. So maybe at some point
we can get together the three of us and do that.
But there's just just a lot of wild ideas kind
(02:38:30):
of flowing through the zeitgeist as part of it, and
you know, recognizing them and then talking about them as
part of it as part of being human recognizing patterns. Right,
we are pattern recognition experts. James are the best. You
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(02:38:51):
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and all the places and always a pleasure. James, appreciate
you very much for sitting down. Like I said, my
blood pressure goes down ten points when you show up
because it just takes a little pressure off me. I
appreciate that you're the best.
Speaker 2 (02:39:12):
No always glad to be here.
Speaker 3 (02:39:13):
Glad to have you. Let's push this button there you go.
All right, Okay, so I told you I was going
to tell you about a little things, so we're please
forgive me. I'm going to take some time off. However,
what I didn't want to just like DIP for like
six months, because that's messed up. So here's what I'm
going to do, all right, and I'll post this on
a discord and also on X For the time being,
(02:39:36):
I'm going to do Sunday night shows and that say
it just Sunday. I don't want to do that. I
don't want to say that. But the problem is that
I am building a ton of things and I can't
ever gain enough traction because I have to do human
things too, you know. I don't have to explain to
you that I have a day job and all the rest,
(02:39:57):
and so I'm just running out of time. And these
things need to be built now because with the acceleration,
et cetera. And I will share some of these things
that I'm building. But I just I'm running out of time.
I just can't. I can't keep up with all the things.
And so the thing that makes the most sense that
I know this sucks is to cut trouble minds out,
cut it back a little bit for the time being.
(02:40:18):
So no show on Thursday. I will be back on
Sunday and we'll do Sunday for a couple three weeks,
maybe a month, and hopefully I can get through this
stuff and then get some products launched it and then
come back and we'll do it full time or something,
because I want to do I really want to do
this five nights a week or four nights a week,
probably fours the sweet Spot four nights maybe two hour shows.
(02:40:40):
But I just can't keep up. I can't keep up.
I have to sleep, and I have to eat, and
I have to do human things. I have to go
grocery shopping. So sorry for the bad news, but for
the time being, we will do Sunday nights only for
considera a month. Maybe you know me, I hate to
stay away. I know you guys rely on me for this,
(02:41:00):
for this space for us to get together. So I
do take it seriously, and I do understand that it
sucks when I say things like this. Okay, so I'll
be back as soon as possible. But Sundays we will
continue to do so we keep the group together, so
we keep the momentum, so we can kind of build ideas.
But that's that's what's gonna happen for the time being.
(02:41:21):
So just to let you know, no show on Thursday night.
We will do Sunday and the following Sunday and the
following Sunday, and we're moving into the Halloween season, so
that's gonna really make me get back to So thank
you for understanding. Like, like I always say, this is
not it's not an easy thing to kind of drop
because I really enjoy doing this. I really enjoy being here.
(02:41:43):
It's like yoga for the for the mind, and I
know it is for you guys too, So thanks for understanding,
and thanks for being part of it. Thanks for carrying.
Shout out Sylvae and I see there, buddy, and yeah,
So no show Thursday. We'll be here Sunday following Sunday.
I think in three four weeks of just go, go,
go all the go, I might be able to slay this.
(02:42:03):
So anyway, cross your fingers, send me good vibes and
all the things, and I will do my best to
get back as soon as possible to a more regular schedule.
So thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (02:42:14):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (02:42:14):
Yeah, sorry pop over there. Thank you for the generous
tip on Rumble says last week sucked. Thanks for the show, Mike,
Yeah from the Rumble crew, appreciate that. You know me,
it's hard to stay away. I'll be back as soon
as I possibly can, So thanks for understanding. As we finish,
you guys know what to do. Help our friends spread
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Go back and listen. They're on the podcast feed. As
we finish, it goes exactly like this for so vain,
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From our trouble minds to yours. Have a great name.