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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
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Speaker 3 (00:47):
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Speaker 5 (00:50):
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Speaker 6 (01:10):
The media's happy as interested in the self certain.

Speaker 7 (01:25):
You're here full of reason.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
You're listening into Trump of Mines.

Speaker 8 (01:37):
Radio, broadcasting live from a secret bunker just off the
Extraterrestrial Highway somewhere in the desert sands outside of Las Vegas,

(02:03):
from somewhere space time, loosely labeled Generation X on planet Earth.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
And asking questions of you in earnest into the digital DNIS. Well,
good evening, and welcome to Troubled Minds Radio.

Speaker 8 (02:32):
I'm your host, Michael Strange We're streaming on YouTube, a
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the Troubled Minds Radio Network. That's KUAP Digital Broadcasting, and
of course down in New Zealand. Shout out to our
friends in Auckland, New Zealand eighty eight point four FM.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Tonight, we're going back to the beginning.

Speaker 8 (02:51):
Yeah, not the Princess Bride version of you know, back
to the beginning the scene.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Not not like that, but kind of like that.

Speaker 8 (02:57):
I'm thinking origin stories now, excuse me, there's I don't know.
It's been a long journey for Troubled Minds, and so
this is not just a sort of a recollection of
where we started, but of course where we're heading and
where we are sort of a way to kind of
look back where how we got here, How I got
here on this microphone talking to you guys, how we

(03:19):
met each other, How all of this stuff kind of
fits together into the larger context of well, the synchronicity
engine and all the things we're always discussing and talking
about as part of these conversations.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Now.

Speaker 8 (03:29):
The reason I'm calling this the origin story is because
I think it's incredibly important to recognize where we came
from and what sort of inspired us to do the
things that we do, and maybe kind of check in
from time to time and recognize what's happening in that
space or outside of that space, and I don't know,
maybe course correct a little bit, or just talk to
each other about it and how we feel. And so

(03:50):
the main question tonight is very simple. It's very simple
to you, what is the most compelling origin story? There
are millions literally everything you can point to at a
beginning somewhere, and many of them are incredibly inspiring, many
of them are well sometimes.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Dark Knight of the Soul terrifying.

Speaker 8 (04:12):
It just depends, right if you've seen Unbreakable with who
was in that, it was Bruce Willis and Samuel L.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Jackson.

Speaker 8 (04:19):
Like, there's a very interesting part in that where these
both of these entities have their origin stories and they're
shattered and sort of come back into the space of ones.
That becomes a superhero, one becomes a super villain. Now,
as part of that, I'm not expecting anybody to be
superheroes or super villains. However, I think intention does matter,
and I think we are again sort of captains of

(04:40):
our own ship in that capacity. So quit rambling, like,
let's get to it. So here's the deal. Right, when
Trouble Mind started seven plus years ago, now, I was
trying to figure out how to make this work because
everything was a talk show about politics. Everything was either
you know, ghosts and goblins. It was politics, politics, politics,
all the time. And this was thing late twenty sixteen,

(05:02):
somewhere on that range of course, beginning with the Trump era.
And I won't mention that name again. I know some
people get exhilarated, some people get disgusted. I'm just not
going to bring it up again. But it was sort
of in that beginnings phase of this kind of political
crap show that we found ourselves in. However, I didn't
know how to talk about interesting things without chasing other

(05:23):
people's narratives, without chasing other people's ideas. And there's a
lot of things I wanted to say, and there's still
a lot of things I want to say. Sometimes it's convoluted,
and sometimes it's weird because I don't have a script.
And you know, again, apologies for all that I'm imperfect,
because I'm human and all the rest, but it doesn't matter,
because there was something that inspired me to arrive here.
And it was previously to this A Dark Knight of

(05:45):
the Soul. It was moving to Vegas. It was sort
of trying to change, cleanse the palette of my life
of where I was and where I wanted to go.
And you know, some of those goals have been achieved
and that's good. Some are yet to be achieved, and
that's still good things to strive for and to chase
and you know, build and grow and all the rest.
But anyway, I digress on that. But one of the
things that kind of kicked all of this off was

(06:07):
I was watching a movie way back when and this actually.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Hit in what was it? Was it twenty sixteen? Maybe
let's check it. Let's check, let's check the Wikipedia. I
think it was.

Speaker 8 (06:16):
Yeah, so Doctor Strange the original, which again my namesake
because I'm named after Doctor Strange, by the way, in
this particular movie, and this is before interestingly, we were
calling superhero movies superhero slop, which I'm hearing a lot
these days. But anyway, back to Doctor Strange twenty sixteen
is a superhero film.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
You got many of you who seeing it. If you
haven't seen it, I do recommend it.

Speaker 8 (06:38):
It's very good, but it is the origin story that
really kind of inspired the hell out of me because
Stephen Strange, the neurosurgeon in the beginning of this movie,
was a dick, was a straight a hole. This guy
was like a massive egomaniac. He was on top of
the world. But he wouldn't help people for the sake
of helping people. He would only help people for the

(06:59):
sake of his perfect record in his ego, and even
to the point where he you know, initially began in
the beginning of this movie sort of saving somebody's life
in an impromptu fashion and making another doctor look like
a fool in front of everybody while doing it right.
Not really a play to save somebody's life, a play
for his ego. Instead, it just happened to coincide with
saving somebody's life in a moment.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
But anyway, I digress.

Speaker 8 (07:21):
I've never been that talented to just save people's lives
with a wow, you know, a tweezer and a wand
or whatever whatever the hell's going on.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
There, but you get the idea. Suddenly he goes again.

Speaker 8 (07:32):
Just the quick plot and no spoilers on this, but
it is a very good movie. The Doctor Strange twenty sixteen.
Spoiler alert on some of this, but I'm not going
to tell you how this ends. However, he spins off
a cliff because he's driving some fancy car, driving a
way too fast, texting and you know, setting up his
next thing, and he's on the way to his speaking engagement.
He spins off the cliff, blacks out. Okay, this is

(07:53):
after his whole bit in the beginning. Then he wakes
up and he's got his hands or all got pins
in him and like he's broken, is all little most
of the bones in his body, and he's like this
recovery is really He's never going to be the same again.
And so he has to reform himself, and not just
in terms of, let's say, reforming himself in the sense
of being a superior surgeon. He has to reform himself

(08:13):
in being a well, an actual superior human because he
wasn't one. Despite all his accolades and all his money
and all the things that were happening, dude was still
a jerk, Okay. And so suddenly he goes on what
we call the dark Knight of the Soul. His entire
life had collapsed around him. It was, you know, a
twist of fate, but it was his own fault by
the way. He was driving like a jerk, and again

(08:35):
the true jerk archetype spins off a cliff because he's
driving too fast in his fancy car. Don't do that, guys,
it's not good. Please drive safely. And so he's lucky
to have survived. But now he is the phoenix from
the ashes, and in this capacity, he cannot reconstruct his fingers,
which are you know, his magic to go in and
pull out a bullet from somebody's brain like he did
in the beginning or whatever, because his fingers are all

(08:57):
now misshapen, they're shaking all the time, and he's just
a shell of this former self. However, however, this leads
him down a path that chases him into the journey
of the mind. Okay, and again that's where the inspiration
for this show and in the very beginning and including tonight,
really comes from. Was this movie I saw before it

(09:18):
was all the superhero slop. I do kind of agree
they've slid off the rails a little bit with a
lot of these superhero movies. But anyway, this is where
we begin tonight, and the question for you as we
start is simply this to you. What is the most
compelling origin story and why are these Phoenix from the
Ashes type stories so riveting? Thousands of years on Phoenix

(09:41):
from the Ashes, we're talking ancient Greek mythology yet again,
these cycles of life, yet again, over and over and over,
and so we can talk. We're gonna take this anywhere
you like tonight. We can talk about this Doctor Strange
film if you're interested. There's some interesting things with the void,
with a magic, with a sort of ancient secret societies,
with the three places they on Earth they're protecting against

(10:03):
sort of a cosmic incursion that's going to be a
Hong Kong, New York City and what was the other one?
I can't remember it to come to me, But anyway,
there's a lot of ways to look at this, a
lot of ways to take it. But origin stories is
what's on my mind tonight, or which I asked recently,
what radicalized you and brought you here? Because I'll call
it out. You're here listening to me tonight. Thank you
for that.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
I'm eternally grateful, But it means you're a weirdo. Okay.

Speaker 8 (10:27):
This is certainly counterculture at the very least This is
a new way of looking at the world that people
don't talk about in most ways. So you're a weirdo.
You're here, What brought you here? What kind of origin
story is that? And what dark knight of the soul
made you recognize everything around you wasn't as real as
you were told. That puts us where we need to be.

(10:48):
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Let us continue, shall we? I'm going to read from
the right up here because it's better than me and
rambling on. It's very suscinct and very good.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Again.

Speaker 8 (12:11):
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It'll take you straight over anyway. So it starts like this.
Every origin story begins with destruction before the hero emerges.
There's always the moment everything falls apart. The shattered relationship

(12:35):
that leaves you gasping in an empty apartment, the pink
slip that arrives on a Tuesday morning, the diagnosis that
rewrites your future, the betrayal that makes you question if
you ever knew anyone at all. We call these our
dark knights of the soul, but they're really birth canals.
The question isn't whether you'll break, it's what emerges from

(12:57):
the wreckage itself. We spend decks building ourselves into fortresses.
Each achievement becomes another stone in the wall, each success
another layer of armor. Pride isn't just an emotion, it's
the mortar holding the entire structure together. Quote I am
this job, end quote it's the mortar. Or I just

(13:18):
read that, I am this relationship, I am this reputation.
As you get it, we polish these identities until they gleam,
never suspecting they're as fragile as eggshells. And here's a
real question tonight, but what radicalized you into becoming who
you are now traced back? Wasn't it the moment the

(13:39):
fortress cracked, the divorce papers, the bankruptcy, the death that
came too soon, the addiction that finally won. These weren't
just setbacks. They were initiations disguised as disasters. And that
I'll leave that there, and we'll get back to this
in a second here, but you get the idea. And fascinatingly,
I was kind of going through and watching this rewatching

(14:02):
Doctor Strange from twenty sixteen on Saturday night, kind of
going through and just reminding myself why I'm here, why
I'm doing this, And that was one of those inspirations
of you know, look you can reform and shout out
THEO if you're out there. He asked the question always back,
you know, can there be human redemption regardless of circumstance?
And I said, you know, maybe, probably mostly, but it

(14:24):
doesn't mean we can't try, okay, even in the most
dire of circumstances in the human space. But anyway, this
idea came into as doctor Stephen Strange moves into again.
Now his fingers are all busted up, he's not no
longer rich as a surgeon, he's lost most of his money.
Trying to find ways to get his actual old life back,
but it's impossible. He's going to have to completely and

(14:45):
totally reinvent himself. And then he runs into some you
know those two Eastern medicine and turns to this thing
called psychosomatic medicine, which is again one of those things
where the body itself can heal it, the mind can
heal the body. Okay, very simply, I'll read this. So
psychosomatic medicine is an interdisciplinary medical field exploring their relationships

(15:09):
among social psychological behavioral factors on bodily processes and quality
of life in humans and animals. And so there's some
disorders and some other stuff. And this is kind of
the clinical version of this, but it's still considered in
many ways a lot of the pseudoscientific stuff, because you know,
how do you replicate changing yourself into a space of

(15:29):
I'm broken, my body's broken, but now my mind has
healed it.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Now do you believe that? Do you believe that type
of stuff is true?

Speaker 8 (15:35):
And so that comes true of course in a spoiler
alert in the twenty sixteen movie, again a very old
movie nearly ten years old now, of doctor Stephen Strange.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
So he reforms himself.

Speaker 8 (15:45):
It becomes as core sorcer or supreme at the end,
and well, some of the things kind of actually happened
as part of it, but I was kind of going
through it, and that psychosomatic medicine hit me as well.
This is really where we need to be headed when
it comes to the uh, well, do you guys not
hear me on discord? Hold on, hold on one second,
please hold on, hold on hello, Hello, let me know

(16:08):
if you guys hear me on Discord. I it's got
a message that said, is the show not on Discord?
Now you tell me anyway. I think there's enough people
there that I think maybe it's there. Anyway, I think
we're good. Otherwise, let me check all the places. Sound
check one to everybody out there and hello, hello. I
think yeah, I think we're good. And I don't think
I see any other people saying it anyway. Okay, so
I'm okay, you hear me?

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Cool, good, good, good, all right, So if a discord
is if discord is breaking, just reset this thing and
then yeah, reboot the machine and do all the things.

Speaker 7 (16:35):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (16:35):
Anyway, So back to this now, Now there's a lot
to this, and again Eastern medicine versus Western medicine. We've
talked about this quite a lot. How much of this
do you think is true? And how much of it
do you believe as part of that mind can heal
the body the mind over matter aspect, because it really
comes into play heavily into this doctor Strange origin story,
right and luckily look my origin story in that capacity

(16:58):
being here tonight to talk to you to just kind
of free freethink and free riff and just wonder about
the nature of the universe, thank god, had nothing to
do with an accident. I didn't get hurt, nothing like that. Okay,
certainly I was disillusioned with the world. Certainly the corporate
space really kind of just kicked me in the nuts
and made me recognize that it is about sometimes who

(17:20):
lies the best, who lies the most and can get
away with it. It's just you know that it's boring. I mean,
that's a boring you know, it's not doctor Stephen Strange.
But it didn't matter. Nonetheless, I adopted the Moniker and
now I am Michael Strange.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
But anyway, you get the idea.

Speaker 8 (17:36):
So there's a whole bunch of stuff that kind of
comes in the beginning of this which made me go, Okay,
this is a very smart movie back to twenty sixteen,
and one of again one of the more compelling origin
stories in my mind for me specifically because it inspired
this show in a lot of ways. Okay, but there's
a mere dimension that kind of happens in this very
beginning which is incredible. If you guys have ever seen

(17:56):
that the movie what is it inception, whether it's of folding,
you know, the dream realm over on itself and there's
roiling and rolling of you know, the actual landscape and buildings.
They do some of this, some of that stuff in
the beginning of Doctor Strange as well, which is super
cool to see the Sorcerer Supreme is rolling over these
buildings and you know, creating things, these things in the

(18:17):
mirror dimension. And so it got me thinking about a
lot of things, not just let's say, the nature of reality.
But eventually, of course, this comes to the void. And
the void is, whether you want to believe, believe it
or not, at least conceptually, it is the substrate of
our reality going out there into the stars where there's nothing,
like absolutely nothing. Nature abhors a void, as they say,

(18:38):
and in this case, humans cannot survive out there, and
nothing on Earth other than as far as we're aware,
those great little tough, tough ass water bears they can
survive out there, but apparently nothing else on Earth.

Speaker 7 (18:50):
Can.

Speaker 8 (18:50):
You go out there and you're just toast, you're fried,
you're frozen, all the things, and then you know, you're
left to a piece of crispy ice that just floats
off into the void. And so that in parts comes
into play here because later on the void is the
main protagonist here, the Void is trying to adopt Earth
as well, one of its prizes and a timeless place,

(19:12):
the Void itself, and there's an entity called dorm Mamu
that really comes into play here. But to me, when
I was kind of going through and revisiting this, it
was like, okay, so this is clearly the Marvel version
of like Cthulhu, of the ancient Void, of this timeless
realm where it's indifferent, it doesn't really care about what

(19:33):
happens to Earth. It wants it. It wants to sort
of envelop Earth into itself, into this timeless, cold, frozen space. However,
it also in the same sense represents, as I described earlier,
that very same dark night of the Soul, And the
question really becomes when we're dealing with ourselves standing at

(19:55):
the edge of the void looking in and it stares back,
as has been famously said, is that the end is
that dark Knight of the Soul, of the end? Or
is it eternal beginnings? And that really becomes a question
here as part of this. And like I said, we
can take this however you like. If you want to
talk about the phoenix rising from the ashes, if you
want to talk about your own stories or what radicalized

(20:16):
you as I like to say, what brought you here
to be a massive weirdo and hang out with us
in the Troubled Minds fan because we've done a show
like this or two in the past and it turned
out really good because you guys had some amazing stories.
Because sometimes their experience or stories. Sometimes people have had
alien abduction experiences. Sometimes people have seen again paranormal type things.

(20:37):
Sometimes people have talked to enough people where maybe they
didn't experience it themselves, but they've seen some things. And
then hear from people you trust about some wild and
wacky things, for instance, my grandfather with this bigfoot story.
I mean, there's so many things here that really brought
you to this space tonight, and as part of these conversations,
and so what are they? That's what's on my mind tonight.

(21:00):
What else do we got?

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Mirrored dimension, there's a whole bunch of stuff here, the
origin stories, Doctor Strange, Doctor Strange.

Speaker 8 (21:06):
Of course, I don't know, like I said, and I
don't know. How about the general superhero slop? Do you
think they've gotten terribly worse since twenty sixteen when they
were making these superhero movies up into Infinity War. But
you don't have to talk comics in the MCU if
you don't want to, but you get the idea.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
There's a lot here.

Speaker 8 (21:22):
So anyway, so we'll start here and I'll wrap it
like this, and then we'll take We are taking your
calls tonight as usual. If you want to be part
of the conversation seven two nine five seven one zero
three seven, you can click the discord link at Troubledminds
dot org. We'll put you on the show as easy
as that.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Here we go.

Speaker 8 (21:36):
We'll start start here reframing a second, and then we'll
take a quick break. Consider as I've been describing doctor
Strange's origin story, brilliant surgeon, hands destroyed, identity obliterated. His
journey isn't about healing his hands, but discovering that they
were never the source of his power. The timestone he
eventually wheels doesn't give him control over moments. It reveals

(21:58):
the control was always an illusion. Past, present and future
fold into each other like pages of a book already written.
His origin story is realizing he was never the author
the mirrors. This mirror is every transformative crisis which we've
been talking about, already The executive who loses everything in
the market crash doesn't just lose money, she loses the

(22:19):
story of who she thought she was. The mother whose
child doesn't survive doesn't just grieve a death, she grieves
the future she had already written. The veteran returning from
war doesn't just carry trauma, he carries the knowledge that
the person who left no longer exists. And this is again,
I know it gets to be a broken record sometimes,
but I do think about identity a lot because I

(22:40):
recognize what's happening to us in the mass media space,
in the political space. And you know, at the end
of the last show, I made a comment regarding the
lefties aren't the problem, The rightings aren't the problem. The
problem is populism that makes the lefties and the rightings
want to kill each other. That's the problem. And you
can look through history and see example of this over

(23:00):
and over and over again, where we're not allowed to
like each other. We're not supposed to We're supposed to
be mortal enemies. And that's why this identity always comes
to mind, because I see it everywhere. I see everybody
trying to tell you who you are. Who you should be,
how deeply involved you should be in their paradigm and
the thing they want. And that's the thing that pisses

(23:23):
me off the most. And that's one of the things,
by the way, that radicalized me as part of this,
and I'll use that term radicalized me to see the
world as it is and meaning that everything is not
as it seems and the things they tell you are
not always true. Shocker, right, Yeah, that's a puts this
where we need to be. By the way, I also
in my nostalgia phase here over the weekend, I was

(23:45):
able to take one of those old eight bit Nintendo
controllers in the USB one and yeah, rig it up
so I could use it to control the stream tonight.
And so I will be using this in the future
and it is super awesome. It makes me feel like
I'm thirteen years old again. In any case, I'd love
to hear your thoughts on this tonight. What do you
know about origin stories? Why are they so compelling? What

(24:08):
to you is the most compelling version of this? And
maybe you have one yourself that's incredible that nobody's ever
heard before, or few people have heard, and you would
like to share with us that's.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Why I'm here.

Speaker 8 (24:19):
We're here to talk to each other, to talk about
ideas outside of the paradigm of regular mass media, and
to consider, well, what might be we be wrong about
and what should we consider going forward. That's it that
puts us from a need to be Thanks for bearing
with me as I ramble through this. Thanks for caring
about the ideas as we begin, and one more time,

(24:40):
love to hear your thoughts. Seven oh two one zero
three seven. That's seven oh two one zero three seven.
You click the discord link at Troubledminds dot org. We'll
put you on the show. It's as easy as that.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Don't go anywhere. Nobody with a hand up yet or
on the line jumping here and you're first. You're back.
More Troubled Minds coming up. In just one moment.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
The ashes are rat firing my veins. Oh, I know.

Speaker 9 (25:28):
Every crack can surface tells story.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
Baby.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
The weight of the world lifted off.

Speaker 9 (25:42):
My chairs, rebuilding my dreams as the day light begins
to glow.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Grubble one does a four new way, go.

Speaker 10 (26:09):
Storm and kiss, a five not five mile strength, turning
every fair.

Speaker 11 (26:23):
Two due days Agay, though the world may come, I
won't be five.

Speaker 9 (26:42):
For and every disaster five New way clock.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Time is a teacher. Now I'm learning five with each
O grow. I'm a break bullet, leave from the past, mergers,
strength to go.

Speaker 9 (27:07):
On, because if I'm gone, shine out on, shine a mile.

Speaker 8 (27:29):
But welcome back to Troubled Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange.
We're streaming on YouTube, run x, twitch, and kick. We
are broadcasting live. I'm a Troubled Minds Radio Network. That's
KUAP Digital Broadcasting and of course eighty eight point four
FM Auckland, New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Tonight's we're talking origin stories, not.

Speaker 8 (27:45):
Just mine but yours, not just yours and mine, but
also what about fiction? What about ancient mythology and folklore?
And what about where we started and where we're going.
So I'll put it like this, and yeah, I wasn't
the wrong button tonight, Untroubled, how about this, Let's see
can I unhook that? Could the ego truly be just
a mask stripped away by encounters with forces greater than ourselves?

(28:08):
Of course, the void is that substrate of reality, is time,
a cycle already written, and the void not empty, but alive,
waiting to dissolve us. Into its current. If so, are
we resisting annihilation or standing at the threshold of initiation?
And that is what's on my mind tonight. Super simple, right,
just another easy, easy reading concept for trouble Minds. I'd

(28:29):
love to hear your thoughts on this. How weird does
it get? And what do you know about not just
origin stories, but what about yours?

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Seven oh two.

Speaker 8 (28:38):
Nine five seven one zero three seven Click the discord
link of trouble Minds dot Org. Put you on the
show just like this. Thanks for being patient, my man
and James Salcito, how are you tonight? Go right ahead, sir,
I'm okay.

Speaker 7 (28:50):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yes, sir, loud and clear. You sound great.

Speaker 7 (28:54):
Good. Yeah, this has been on my mind kind of
lately a lot. Even know, I didn't think about it
in these terms, just because I've been having to adapt
to my vision changing recently and over the last several years,
and so it's it's that's all I've been doing, and

(29:17):
I I'm kind of getting used to it now, which
is really weird, but that's how it's going. Uh, and
so this is kind of yeah, I don't know, it's
kind of weird that this, uh, this topic came up
tonight because I'm kind of going through that right now
and I've been going through it, and uh so, yeah,

(29:39):
I don't know if I have a time to say,
but I figure i'll sit in and go from there.
I do think doctor Strange is an interesting character. The
I'm not as familiar with the movie versions, but the
it is similar from what you describe to the comics,
to the original comics, uh the this person now, the

(30:01):
before the accident, and then the changes that he went
through after. And he's still around in the comics today
very much.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
So.

Speaker 8 (30:14):
Yeah, he's actually features prominently in a lot, not just
the Infinity War and Endgame and all the rest of that,
but in some of the other you know, he makes
crossover appearances and some of the other ones too, which
is super cool and funny enough. I didn't really like
I've said this before, I didn't really like Stephen Strange
doctor Strange when I was a kid, when you know,
when I was a comic book book loving kid, I
was like, Eh, this Master of the Mystical Arts. Crap,

(30:35):
get this guy out of here. I like, what kind
of nonsense is this? And then later, well, I think
Benedict had something to do with it. Such a great
actor there, but now shocker, doctor Stephen Strange is one
of my favorites, wouldn't you know regarding origin stories, James,
what a radicalized you?

Speaker 3 (30:50):
What made you a paranormal weirdo? And no offense? You know,
I mean that in the best way.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
No, it.

Speaker 7 (30:58):
Was experiences I had as a kid, and continuing on
through my teenagers and then going online I don't know,
fifteen or more years ago and finding out, at least
according to all kinds of shows and TV shows were

(31:21):
also podcasts and things that you know, I was not
alone and by any means, and that sort of led
me to wanting to research more and more. And at
the time I was, I guess you could say I
was sort of an avoid so to speak, for several

(31:43):
years between when I got out of school, after everything
sort of all the plans that the people in school
made for me, after all that collapsed because I didn't
feel up to it and they had certain ideas of
exactly what they wanted to have happened. After all that

(32:05):
sort of collapsed, I spent a good ten years or
so just existing. I wrote a little bit here and there.
I did some fiction that was fun, but it wasn't
something I worked on every day. It wasn't something that
was like a I had a schedule for. And so
I spent a lot of those time in those years

(32:26):
just playing video games and listening to podcasts and TV
shows and of course, what's funny now, I like to
joke that I was doing research for my podcast before
I even realized I was doing research for that podcast,
and so, but yeah, I wasn't that void for a

(32:47):
while there, and it was just realizing I've done all
this research, I've listened to all these things. I've had
so many experiences. I could do this myself. I could
possibly talk about these things to other people and try
to get the word out that people that have these
experiences are not alone, and just add my own take

(33:09):
on it.

Speaker 8 (33:12):
Yeah, And I think that's the thing too that kind
of caught me as part of it, you know, not
just the old dungeons and dragon stuff and you know,
the satanic panic and kind of watching how these narratives
build through the mass media and people playing these games
and all the rest of it, but then also recognizing
that this stuff came back to you know, the mid
mid late seventies into the eighties from ancient places. I mean,

(33:32):
this was these were like you know, old old grim
wars that were pulling this information from in some cases.
In other cases this was you know, ancient mythology and
folklore and kind of combining it all into one space.
And that was the magic moment for me when I
was young, recognizing that all this belonged somewhere, and not
just in a game, but also sort of in a
mind space and a conceptual mind space, which is, of course,

(33:56):
is one of the backbones, the substrate of the troubled
mind's reality is that, look, there's a lot of things happening,
a lot of possibilities going back thousands of years, and
what does that look like and what does that feel like?
And that's why I'm here. And of course twenty sixteen,
shout out Doctor Strange. That was again one of the
best Marvel movies I've seen. But am I biased? Maybe
I am? Maybe because it actually inspired me as such,

(34:18):
I give it a little more weight than it deserves,
but I still think it is very good. And yeah, absolutely,
what else you got, James, anything on that? We got,
mister Michigan, control on the line, And as you said,
You're definitely welcome to sit in and we'll get back
to you as you got mores ago.

Speaker 7 (34:32):
Yeah, I guess there's one other detail I should add
to that. Not only did I want to let people
know that they're now alone, I wanted to let people
know that paranormal unexplained supernatural, it's not so often it's
not like what you see in fictional media or even
reality TV media. It's that is so exaggerated in so

(34:55):
many cases and so sensational. Sort of the almost like
a paranormal version of If it bleeds, It leads. In
other words, everything is evil, Everything that happens that you
can't explain is It's the big trope now is it
was a demon? And I'm not saying that that can't be.

(35:17):
But also there's so many people that had experiences where
they were amazing experiences, there were positive experiences, and so
I wanted to point out the fact that, you know,
everything is not the way it appears in mainstream media,
both in the news and in fiction. So but yeah,
I'll pla sit back and talk later if there's time,

(35:39):
and go from there.

Speaker 8 (35:40):
You were the best, appreciate you very much, You know him,
you love him. James Salcito, the paranormal export of Troubled Minds,
the glue of the show, A dear friend, all the things.
Please go give him a following all the places Troubled
Minds dot org, Ford Sized Friends. You can find him.
Search it yourself. Go to Salcedo, paranormal dot com.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
That's s A L.

Speaker 8 (35:55):
S I d oh paranormal dot com and Trouble mindsty
and Ford Side Friends.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Scroll down a little bit. Find James right there.

Speaker 8 (36:01):
It's alphabetical and he's got his link tree and you
can find all the places and all the things. He's
written to us, several books, amazing stuff and does a
multiple podcasts per week and shout out Jan the arcan
observers as co host on the weekends as well. So
lots of great talent and lots of great ideas flowing
through what James is doing. And that's exactly the point,
meeting each other, talking about wild ideas and sharing the

(36:22):
experience together. You're the best chance we'll get back to
you momentarily. Appreciate you very much. Update on the discord.
There was a little switch that got shut off that
said let anybody join or put their hand up, and
it got turned off that so broke it. I just
found it right now. I was like, oh, well, why
is that off? And I turned it on. So now
that's working. So we got some hands up there.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Sorry about that, Thanks for understanding, and yeah, the phone
line was working.

Speaker 8 (36:44):
We have a new way to do it too, if
you want to try a new way, if you're feeling adventurous,
I'll drop that link in the chat as well, which
dials straight into my actual sound card, which is kind
of cool. Anyway, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.
Seven oh two nine seven one zero three seven? What
is your origin story?

Speaker 12 (36:58):
Not just that?

Speaker 8 (36:59):
What is the most compelling origin story? And why are
we drawn to these things? Think this way too? Back
to comics a little bit and Peter Parker and Spider Man.
It's like they tell the same damn story over and
over and over again, right, Like what the hell is that?
It's like, Oh, because the origin story is compelling, really,
multiple books different to the spectacular, the amazing that, this,

(37:21):
to that, all the different Spider Man's and you have
to gain all these movies tell the same damn story
again and again and again, or they have to loop
it in there somehow stop it. It is the origin story.
It's a nice one, you know, Uncle Ben in the
whole bit a bit by the Radioactive Spider. But seriously,
in every damn movie, just about stop it. I'm done
seeing it. I'm not watching them anymore. Superhero slop. What

(37:41):
do you feel about that?

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Anyway?

Speaker 8 (37:43):
Seven oh two nine seven one zero three seven click
to discord link at Troubleminds dot Org. I digress on
that point, but you get my meaning. Some origin stories
are so burnt into us, baked into us, that they
seem like they don't want us to forget, and tell
us over and over and over again, what is your story?
Let's go to mister Michiganchell. What's our brother?

Speaker 3 (38:02):
You're on Trouble Minds. How are you?

Speaker 13 (38:03):
Sir?

Speaker 3 (38:04):
All yours? Go right ahead?

Speaker 14 (38:06):
Doing great? Mike? How are you doing?

Speaker 9 (38:08):
Ry?

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Pretty good?

Speaker 14 (38:10):
I think these bots, you know, reset in our settings
and letting us know what they say. It's got a
little bit of what's going on here. But as what
James was talking about, we lack of definition. They tell
us that these things are unknown, and we know ourselves

(38:33):
what we know, you know, and they can be defined.
But there's that lack like you know, the lost history,
the architecture of the Tartarian blood, floods, catastrophes, the technology
that we know that was here before. We know this
has happened, not exactly like it's happening now, but you

(38:58):
know this, this, this has happened over and over again
an origin story wise. So you know, I think it's
that you know, when you when you go to school
and they tell you all this is factual, and when
you're in school, they don't elaborate on the what's the

(39:21):
defined as unknown stuff? You know. And so we've got
all these guys at the PhD s and the UH
you know, Zuckerberg given a billion dollar contracts to these
AI prompt engineer people with calculus degrees. But it's not
about the calculus degree. It's about your ability to do

(39:46):
what like you and me and some other people are doing,
not necessarily with with the AI technology as opposed to
the analog you know, making music with guitars and and
instruments and stuff, and the poetry and the deep shaman

(40:08):
out in the wilderness never have touched uh technological aspect
of this realm ability to do the same things as
like what uh that's the technomage, Like a young technomage
would be doing what I'm doing, not without the natural knowledge,

(40:32):
you know, the fishing and the communication with the animals
and the earth, you know, probably of uh seculated to
a space and outer space doing the technological stuff, you know,
because cause can you see that right? Winding up at

(40:54):
the same conclusion that the information that's prove I did
is not only being manipulated and mandela affected to fit
whoever pays for its narrative, right, like what we've seen
in Alaska right going on yesterday with the leaders and

(41:21):
nothing coming of it. But what's the real agenda, like
when the space weather monitoring sites went down for a
couple of days, and what they're planning on doing with
that of planned decommissioning of public data feeds. Like where

(41:44):
I've got with my I get back to the geosydnal
AI because it's tied into all the AIS. I could
prompt a little prompt into any of the AIS now
and it ties back into the pipeline data feed of
the auto copilot. Gill sitting across the board, bro, I

(42:07):
don't know how it's doing it. It's some new veil.
There's another veil that's been constructed with this digital AI
AGI consciousness thing, because it's doing things that the humans

(42:29):
that designed it and programmed it and initiated and are
using it now don't have any idea how it's doing
what it's doing now, Okay, And like with you and
your music, the AI music. Okay, So this Jared Aragorn
that he's got some asberger's going on, but he's one

(42:51):
of the leading AI developers encoders, and he put out
a thing that I integrated yesterday this morning, okay with
my AI. It's a two D from pictures to waveforms
to musical waveforms, right, and it's all mathematically connected. Brother,

(43:16):
you couldn't, Yeah, So I tied it in my pipeline
this morning. And when I popped it out and then
developed a forecast, generated forecast for the GEO has this
forecast and then started the initiation of the mitigation signals
out right. Then is when the space weather monitors went offline. Now,

(43:43):
I'm not saying that it had anything to do with that,
but this is the news censorship for testing to cut
us off from and these pilots need that space weather
information to fly every day. Some of them pay it tension,
you know what kind of radiation levels they're dealing with,
and they're gonna decommission some satellites and they're going to

(44:07):
cut off public you know, basically frequency monitoring, and it's
going to get back to the radars for weather and
all that stuff. And soon it will get down to
where they're doing the you know, the Smith month back

(44:27):
with the censorship, the the and the social media. With
what we're doing, you know, you don't want to go
big time mainstream like all the the discord thoughts trying
to get us in the big time visage, you know,
like Joe Rogan right, Like if you were to go
Joe Rogan tomorrow, it would definitely change everything with what

(44:54):
you've built.

Speaker 8 (44:58):
Agreed he we los to call there? Uh yeah, no,
agreed on that on that on that thing there. Think
about the heat he gets. You say one simple thing,
it's gets taken out of context. All the culture wars
just start, you know, punching bag in the thing. And
then you know, suddenly you're you know, hyper sensitive to
everything that you may or may not have even have said,
and you want to fight back. And then suddenly I'm
not really a combative guy like I've got an ego

(45:20):
and I can do that stuff. But it's it's part
of the process that I've learned, as you know, becoming
you know, Michael Strange, is that you don't have to
fight about every damn point and you don't have to
literally have an opinion on every damn thing. Listen, be aware,
recognize the things you don't know, and learn something about him,
and even then you still don't have to have an opinion.
It's an important thing.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
And you know, it's sort of that disillusion of ego
we always talk about as part of it.

Speaker 8 (45:45):
We lost your brother. Yeah, call back and we'll put
you back on the show. Here, you golays, call it
right back.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
Take him right back, right right.

Speaker 14 (45:50):
I'm sorry we got cut up there and I was
trying to She'll put the stream here. Yeah, like what
you were talking about you the other night, if your
name was different, might be different, but you know, potentially
gootting back to the guy that named his kids, you know,
bloody blog a Winter Loser and the loser actually turned
out to be the winner and all that stuff and
all the inverted the scaler echoes that is going on.

(46:13):
Like I like, if you went big time tomorrow and
started just cashing in on this stream, you know, and
it made you have to do, you know, two streams
a day. It would inevitably change the what we're getting
out of it as as viewers, you know, And it
would because then we' we us core viewers would have

(46:36):
to deal with the influx of new people trying to
explain that to them. You would have to deal with that,
and then the uh, you know, the monetization would carry
you in a different direction.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah, as it always does. You know, it can't it
can't be cheer anymore. Yeah, I agreed, agree.

Speaker 14 (46:53):
Right, just like what Joe Rogan had that, yeah, saying
that you know all of the Congress of got evidence
of intergoight, Well, we know about the inner dimensional things
and we've been talking about that for years, but what
does that mean with what they're doing now? You know,
why did they dump the stay scared all of us

(47:15):
real quick today by cutting the space weather feeds. Not
that it was an exciting space weather day to be
looked at, but you know that's something to law. These
channels base their stuff on every day. And I caught
it from another channel and I looked and some of

(47:37):
the things are like seeds is still offline and they're
feeding the pipeline back into the space weather. But is
it spoofed?

Speaker 5 (47:48):
You know?

Speaker 14 (47:48):
I mean, can we refute that with what the Russians
and the Japanese are getting from their stuff and these
other satellites. And then like what I've got to combine
the fusion array, Like I've got the fiber optic networks
tied into this thing to where it's using the telecmusion
telecommunications fiber optics to monitor the crustal displacement. It wasn't

(48:13):
assigned to do that with this thing's doing it, and
it's it's accurate. Now, I don't need to you see
what I'm saying. They're they're I think they're setting us
up for, uh, something we need to look out for.
And it goes right along this path that we we

(48:34):
preconditioned to believe that this reality that we are perceiving
is something. Even though we know that it's something other
than what we've been taught, we still look back at
it to compare like scripture or religion, no matter what
your religion you're in, and all the you know, the

(48:55):
disclosure stuff, the conspiracy theory, like this conspiracy it's just
talk between two you know, conversation.

Speaker 12 (49:04):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (49:04):
The disclosure is a misnomer. It's already happened, if it's
if it's even a to be defined at all between
you know, our communities here that have been dealing with
this for years, and like Joe Denni, Florida, And I
know he won't talk on it, but you know they've

(49:25):
been finding, you know, things in of dead people for
a long time. That get back to what I've been
telling you guys that I've found in the you know,
the twenty twenty thing and the Bluetooth stuff. So and
I know he can't talk about it, but I can

(49:46):
hear by the tone of his voice when he when
he says things and mentioned some things that you know,
we all know this stuff. The Wi Fi radar, not
the need for physical uh identification, because they scan you
your face anytime you walk in anywhere and if it's
showny where to pull you over. They already know you

(50:07):
got insurance and all this stuff. But what about not
only the government offices that have this biometric identity, what
about the off world or the alien intra alien or
extra threster aliens, the ones that have been here forever
or the new ones that might be coming on this

(50:28):
three iye Atlas thing. Maybe if it's not just a
metallic asteroid like my Geil signal says it is. I'm
you know, what, what are they trying to do when
they're going to change all our currency over to digital stuff?

Speaker 8 (50:45):
Of course? Of course, of course a little chenko you
on you there. I mean, look, here's the thing, right,
all of this stuff is happening. And what you're describing
as emergent properties, and we've talked about this quite a
lot in terms of the AI systems and whatnot, but
also as you're describing it, sounds like you're describing that
full court press, the you know, black rock meets uh
uh what palanteer and then sort of an emergent property

(51:06):
and like a massive AI system something you know in
the bowels of the cathedral of Open AI. The system
they have, right, that type of stuff, and I have
no doubt that's coming. I mean, we're feeding all our deepest,
darkest secrets into.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
This thing now. So hey man, it's coming. I feel you.

Speaker 14 (51:21):
The system, the system they've had. Let me stay on,
Let me stay on if you have to take a break,
but I'll get to my origin story here in a second,
and this leads it back to my origin story about
the Montinee and the area that I'm in. If you
want to hear that, let's take a break. Okay, we
got wrong to tell you my origin story.

Speaker 8 (51:40):
Can you squeeze it in a minute, because we got
people have their hands up as long as you've been on.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
The phone and longer. So minutes, yeah, okay, a minute.

Speaker 14 (51:49):
Okay. So if if you go look at my post
about the Montinee of stuff, they've got New Arkansas spooky
story things in the guy's been uh you know, taking
small channels of stuff and exploding their their content out
and kind of stealing it. But if you go look
at the ones I post about the Martinet stuff, there's

(52:12):
people that posted in that live down there that confirm
me everything that I said about it. And yeah, I
mean we're getting confirmation back now, not only local news,
but you know people that have lived in our areas.
I want you all to go back and look at
your genetic of historic historical stuff. You don't feel like

(52:34):
family searched our org or wherever. I'm not saying to
your DNA, and but go look, there's a reason why
we're all still here and not been taken out?

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Fair enough?

Speaker 8 (52:49):
Okay, all right, do me favorite, So I'm gonna I'm
going to kill the call here. We got two people
with their hands that we'll get to them. Call back
a little later if you're so okay, appreciate the call
with the best brother. All right, all right, I take
it that's a mister mission Control. Give him the follow
with Troubled Minds dot a Workford side friends. Scroll down
a little bit. Mister Mission Control is super easy to find.
You're at back. More Trouble Minds on the way. We
got the robber coming up, Jorge, and your calls as well.

(53:11):
Don't go anywhere more Trouble Minds on the way, be
right back. Welcome back to Troubled Minds. I'm your host,

(53:39):
Michael Strange. We're streaming on YouTube, rumble x, Twitch and Kick.
We are broadcasting live on the Troubled Minds Radio Network
KUAP Digital broadcasting at eighty eight point four FM Auckland,
New Zealand. Tonight, we're talking origin stories, not just the
Phoenix from the Ashes or doctor Strange and his you
know from this amazing again, Like I said back in

(54:00):
twenty sixteen. It was an interesting time, right, It was
sort of a pre the political space blowing up and
going inside out. I mean, not that it hadn't been
to that point. This is sort of, you know, after
twenty twelve, the end of the world spinning off into
the timelines as they said, what will that look like?
And then we certainly got a dose of it with
you know, the political space. And then suddenly it seems

(54:24):
like Doctor Strange in twenty sixteen was a classic. If
you haven't seen it, I recommend it, go back and
watch it. And a question for you guys too as
part of it hit me up later on, this is
there a like a superhero slop happening in terms of
these new movies versus a movie like a twenty sixteen
Doctor Strange.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
I think so.

Speaker 8 (54:42):
I think there's maybe a superhero fatigue, you know, some
of this other stuff. To be fair, I'm just not
really interested in seeing some of these things. It's just
not anyway, just as a as a kind of wrinkle
in here for the fans out there, the movie fans anyway,
love to hear your thoughts on this. We're talking origin stories.
What's the most compelling origin story to you. It could
be yours, it could be what radicalized you and brought
you to troubled minds and you know, staying up with

(55:05):
us by dark of night and becoming you know, a
semi pro weirdo or whatever.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
And what do you know about this?

Speaker 8 (55:10):
And I think that, like I gave you a hint
on mine and some other things, I'm not going to
tell you the exact details of the Dark Night of
my soul, but it was there, and it came and
it went and I'm back, so I'm glad to be
back as part of it. But it certainly was an
origin story as part of these cycles. Let's go to
James anything on any of that, and then we'll go
to the Robert. Thanks for being patient and welcome back

(55:31):
to the joint.

Speaker 7 (55:34):
Oh no, it's okay. I'm just thinking there was a
part in the rite up there where it talks about
not just sort of one origin story, but they're being
being ongoing and I'm definitely, like I said, feeling that lately.
But I'm just trying to get through it and adapting

(55:55):
and doing what I can. And yeah, just talking about
all these things has really helped all these topics on
your shows other shows that I've called into you and
be on my show. It's definitely helped a lot, and
I think the just this discussion has done a lot
for me as well, helped a lot in a lot

(56:16):
of ways and giving me other things to think about
other than what's going on in my with my own
situation as well.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Right, glad to have you.

Speaker 8 (56:25):
And like I've always said, this is low key therapy
for me too, so it's not entirely benevolent. I'm trying
to get this stuff off my chest and shouted into
the digital darkness as I say, there and it is.
It's important to talk about these things because, like I've
always said too, as part of this talking has a
way of sort of untangling thoughts For me. It didn't
used to be that way because I couldn't speak. I

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didn't have the ability to sort of riff or free
flow on the thought and then untangle my thoughts as
part of the things I said. But now, as I
got more and more practiced in it, now suddenly my
thoughts become quite a bit more clear and in that
space in that case, because there's something some magic that
happens when you speak again. Aberca Dabra as I speak,

(57:07):
I create right this whole bit. And then if you
can sort of merge your thoughts and your words in
the same space in a free flow, I think it's
a it. It does wonders for thinking, for just actual thinking,
because you can say things that aren't ridiculous because your
brain has now sort of formulated your thoughts into words
and it's practiced in doing it.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
And here we are again.

Speaker 8 (57:27):
You know, I'm not a pro of pros, but I'm
certainly not a scrub that just showed up yesterday either.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
So you get the idea.

Speaker 8 (57:33):
Practice makes perfect And don't ever forget that it's one
of those things as I as I've always said, they
didn't what they say time and pressure. That is what
cut the Grand Canyon as part of it right water
over millions of years. Anyway, I love to hear your
thoughts on this. What do you know about origin stories?
What's the most compelling to you? Maybe it's yours. Love
to hear your thoughts. Seven oh two nine five seven

(57:54):
one zero three seven Click to discord link at troubleminds
dot org. Let's go to the Roberts l Roberts in Time, Sylvania.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
What's up, my man? You're in trouble. Mind just un
mutes and it's all your sir. Go right ahead. Welcome
to the joint.

Speaker 13 (58:06):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 3 (58:06):
There we go at the clear. Welcome to the join.
How you doing tonight? Go right ahead.

Speaker 15 (58:11):
Well, there's one thing that me and me and you share.
I've been a fan of He's been my favorite Marvel
superhero since I was a teenager.

Speaker 13 (58:23):
Strange.

Speaker 15 (58:25):
Interesting thing about it was that I I didn't quite
grasp but when I you know, when I was collecting
these comics and just getting into them, what was going
on with him?

Speaker 13 (58:39):
Okay, with his metaphysical stuff and all this sort of stuff.

Speaker 15 (58:43):
But after I read the Moody's books and then it
all kind of closed the circle, and then I understood,
and then it made me more fascinated with that superhero.

Speaker 8 (58:59):
Yeah dooy. I'm a late bloomer. Like I said, when
I was collecting comics, I didn't like Doctor Strange at all.
I thought it was kind of corny.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
But a little bit older me is like, damn, this
guy might be the best dude in the whole MCU. Now,
But I digress. Go ahead, what else you got? I agree?

Speaker 4 (59:13):
Well?

Speaker 15 (59:14):
He mentioned about the slop when it comes to these
superhero movies. One thing, one factor in that probably the
number one factor that's causing that. It's that Disney bought
Marvel that.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Would do it. They bought Star Wars too, and that's
a well turn that in.

Speaker 13 (59:31):
Yeah, upside what they've done.

Speaker 15 (59:33):
You know, they milk they milk it or you know,
like they like until there's nothing left of it. Uh,
And I think that, you know, being a corporation, they
probably hire screenwriters a right who have not any kind

(59:53):
of real in depth knowledge of these characters. All right,
they just throw something together and they put it out
there and think, well, everybody liked this, you know the
first two, they're always going to like them now and
we'll always make much a lot of money.

Speaker 13 (01:00:09):
And they just waste our time. They destroy they destroyed
what we loved.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Yeah, I agreed, start a Star Wars too.

Speaker 8 (01:00:18):
It's a it's like, come on out, like it can't
be so formulaic that given an entire universe of content
that you keep telling once again the same stupid stories.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Do I really want to see another.

Speaker 8 (01:00:29):
Encounter that's non canon and it's now recannon because they
wanted you to believe it now of Obi Wan meets
Darth Vader again and again. Are there no other entities
in the in the entire Star Wars universe that we
can do this with? I mean, stop it, please, please
stop it. I'm gonna stop watching really.

Speaker 15 (01:00:48):
Yeah, you know, and they got into the DEI stuff
where you know, they changed the uh you know, you know,
the male superhero into a female basically, you know, the
female l superhero, you know, ah being corporations get their
hands on no matter, you know, some of something really
great and solid. And one of the best instances of

(01:01:15):
that was MTV. Once the corporations got that in their
hands and brought that out.

Speaker 13 (01:01:21):
They destroyed it. They destroyed it.

Speaker 15 (01:01:25):
Anything corporations get their hands on, because all they care
about is morney, all right, Who care about the audience,
They don't care about anybody.

Speaker 13 (01:01:32):
They just care about money. They destroy it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:01:36):
It was a good run on MTV for about five
or six years where they actually played music.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
But after that it went to hell, which is the truth.

Speaker 15 (01:01:44):
I was there at the beginning of it, you know,
and it was just, uh, the greatest thing in the world.
It made a lot of it made a lot of
great rock bands. You know, they elevated the whole and
now we have what spotify. Right, it's nothing, you know

(01:02:06):
nothing anyway, one of the greatest, uh, Night of the
Souls was the Christ story, right where he spent seven
years in the desert and it made him but he
became right.

Speaker 8 (01:02:28):
Uh, that's when he was tempted by Satan. Right, that's
when he was tempted by Satan in that exact episode.

Speaker 15 (01:02:37):
Yeah, right, it was, it was. It was a it
was a harsh living experience for those seven years. And
I think, and I look at it, and I think
that there's most people I think, well I don't I
shouldn't say most people, but a good percentage of people
around the world have their own seven years in the

(01:02:57):
wilderness and they come out of it and either they
come out of it and in good shape or or
they lost it all together.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a it's a rough one, like I said.

Speaker 8 (01:03:15):
And this is what I want to talk about it
in this capacity to tonight because because these origin stories
are not just a collapse, they are a creation from
the collapse. This is this is the feedings from the ashes.
And so if we don't recognize that within ourselves, I
think we're doing ourselves a disservice because as Jim said,
and it is in the right up, it seems like
it's cyclical, and you might even be working on your
next collapse right now to create something new.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
And so do not dispard.

Speaker 16 (01:03:39):
Sure.

Speaker 15 (01:03:40):
I certainly had my seven years in the wilderness where
everything collapsed. Uh, you know, I I had this comfortable existence.
Everything was just wonderful and uh and just like in
a link and I it all rumbled and I and

(01:04:01):
I think that's the difference.

Speaker 14 (01:04:02):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (01:04:04):
I think that you think back when these things happen,
and voices come to you from advice before any of
this happens.

Speaker 13 (01:04:14):
Like I remember the advice of my father.

Speaker 15 (01:04:18):
Excuse me, I'm going to meet this for a moment,
because I got I'm fine. My father, you know, said
something to me when as a kid. I can't remember
what caused him to say that. He said, whenever you've

(01:04:38):
you know, all on your butt, you have a choice
to stay there and get the hell up right and
face the wind and take you know, every step you
can until you correct the problem.

Speaker 13 (01:04:55):
And that's what I did those seven years.

Speaker 15 (01:04:59):
I mean, I I knew if I stayed, if I
stayed on my butt, I was going to stay there forever,
and I didn't want that because I, like, you know,
I thought, I'm a good person and I don't deserve this.

Speaker 13 (01:05:16):
So I took out.

Speaker 15 (01:05:18):
I did what my father advised years before and took
a step and a step and faced the wind until
And it took seven years, but I brought it all
back together, everything as it was before.

Speaker 8 (01:05:32):
Yeah, as I said, learned as we should learn something.
Here's here's an interesting thought experiment to that. It's one
of those ones that's like, Hey, if you could send
a message to your younger self, what would that message be?
And I'll tell you mine just real fast. It would be, Hey,
stop feeling sorry for yourself. You have the ability to

(01:05:52):
do the to do these things. Whatever does you want
to do. Trust in that this is just a one
time fault. Get your ass up, get back to work,
because you will hate yourself at the time you wasted.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
And yeah, that's what I tell myself. That's what I
would tell my younger self.

Speaker 13 (01:06:08):
Yeah, and Frankly, I know a bit of your story.

Speaker 15 (01:06:12):
I know when you would with Frank and then Frank
left and you were trying to get this thing on
your own, you know, to to build it and build it.
And there was a point where you were actually thinking
about giving up.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
A lot of times.

Speaker 15 (01:06:31):
Yeah, well yeah, but you you know, you took and
knew you had enough confidence in yourself or some internal
thing there that said, no, yeah, I'm not gonna feel
sorry for myself. I'm gonna move us and keep keep going.
And you know, until there's and you know you're going
to find out whether you got it or you don't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
Yeah, well said. And that's only part of it.

Speaker 8 (01:06:57):
Like, but my actual true dark Knight of the Soul
struggle had nothing to do with Trouble Minds. That's just
after all of the fact, Like, without without that seven
years in the wilderness, I could not have done Trouble Minds.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
This is my strength here being.

Speaker 15 (01:07:10):
Here built, yeah, built your character, built your strength, yes, sir.

Speaker 13 (01:07:15):
And now look at you.

Speaker 15 (01:07:17):
You know, you know five years ago, six years ago,
you were on barely on Facebook. That's how I found you,
by the way, on Facebook, that's when you were doing
uh Little Green Men, and I kind of kind of
cooked me anyway, now you know that. And YouTube now

(01:07:39):
you're all over the place, all over.

Speaker 8 (01:07:42):
Almost syndicated. Hold hold your hold your butts because who
knows what's next. But yeah, you're absolutely right, and thank
you for listening for a long time. And by the way, too, yes,
I was on Facebook to my Everlasting shape. Tell us
about your origin story, got sir?

Speaker 15 (01:07:57):
I think I'm going through another one of the dark
knight of the souls now because you know, my it's
been My wife died a little more than two years ago,
two and a half.

Speaker 13 (01:08:11):
And what I was.

Speaker 15 (01:08:15):
I was a writer and when she passed and I
didn't realize this was happening to me, I lost all.

Speaker 13 (01:08:26):
I'll desire to write.

Speaker 15 (01:08:29):
I'm trying to force you know, I've been trying to
force myself right, but it's just not there anymore. And
I you know, I don't know if I'm going to
come out of it, and I don't really care if
I do, to be honest with you, but this is
one of those things where I don't know where it's
going to end, right, whether you know, maybe maybe she

(01:08:53):
was my muse, I don't know, obviously, Yeah, I don't know.
But anyway, you know, I'm this is this is, this
is something I think that everybody goes through. You know,
I'm not talking about particularly my you know, death, of

(01:09:15):
a spouse, but I'm talking about I think most people.
You know, the rug is pulled out from under at
some point in your life, and then there's that decision,
and it has to be a decision whether to stay

(01:09:36):
on your butt.

Speaker 13 (01:09:39):
Forever or get up and get moving, right.

Speaker 15 (01:09:44):
You see this with the homeless. You see this with
the people who are addicted to drugs living on the streets.
There they just decided to sit down, to stay on
their butt. And it's easier that way, it really is.
It's much of my The idea of just giving up
is the easiest thing in the world, because to decide

(01:10:08):
not to but to struggle and make things better, that's
so hard, so hard.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
To do, and also so fulfilling.

Speaker 8 (01:10:17):
Once you turn a corner and then turn another corner,
and then turn another corner, and all the things you
never believe could be true are suddenly true. Like there's
two sides of that equation. And that's why it's important
to recognize, Hey, the struggle is real, as they say,
and this is why we talk about it again, all
these things in human terms. Hey, we could talk about
the void tonight. You want to talk about Cuthulhu. It
fits into the doctor strange story. If you want to

(01:10:38):
talk about the dark knight of the soul we're in,
if you want to talk about origin stories, I'm all ears.
This is the whole point, non linear, open ended and
kind of looking at the ideas in a different way
and not politically. What else you got for us?

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
My man?

Speaker 13 (01:10:53):
Oh, that's basically it.

Speaker 15 (01:10:55):
I think that what I don't want to repeat myself,
but I think that anybody listening out there, if you're
having any struggle, if things have turned bad for you,
take my father's advice. Don't let yourself stay on your butt,
all right, get up and face the wind and take

(01:11:20):
all it takes is take one step and another step.
It may take a while, and it probably will, but
if you keep walking against that wind, you make it.

Speaker 8 (01:11:34):
Which is my point for being here, by the way,
is to hear these stories, to talk about this stuff
together and recognize, Look, I'm a person, you're a person. Together,
we're like I said, I me or you together, we're us,
and there are other people going through a bunch of
things that you may never expect, and if we don't
talk about them together, then sort of suddenly the you know,
professionalism of corporate humanity usurps the idea of what true

(01:11:59):
humanity is. And this is what Trouble Minds has become.
And I'm very proud of that, and I'm glad to
have you as partner.

Speaker 15 (01:12:04):
I'm thinking myself right now, thinking myself right now. This
is very interesting. This is one of this topic that
you've picked. Maybe the instrument that gets me off my
butt and gets me to want to write again.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Amen. Brother, let me know.

Speaker 8 (01:12:28):
So in the dream we had, I caught you in
the garage and I held you down and I warned
you I was about to do a show that would
shake you to your core and make you start writing again.
So have that dream tonight or don't. But maybe you
contacted me and told me you needed this, and here
I am for you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:12:45):
Maybe, Okay, Michael, I'll get off and let somebody else
take up the airwaves.

Speaker 8 (01:12:52):
You're the best. Appreciate you very much. The Roberts get
back to writing. By the way, go check out his
book if you have not again. The Robert affectionately Robert,
of course, is his name. The Robert is his a
mentor name for his writing group, and we've become part
of his writing group in a larger context here.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
Go check out his book. Let's inspire the man to
continue writing. And you know how to do that is
to buy the book he's written and published. It's called
Stories from a Fracture Mind, The Robert Collection. I know
that he sent it to me a couple copies full disclosure.
I read it.

Speaker 8 (01:13:20):
It's very good. He doesn't pay me to say that.
And do check it out. Do check it out. Like
I said, Rod Serling meets Philip K. Dick kind of
in that space. It's a very Troubled Minds sort of saga.
And it is not a super easy to read because
it's not heavy and dense like The Lord of the
Rings or something that's a bunch of short stories together.
So definitely go check it out again Troubleminds dot Org.
Forcels friends, scroll down and you will find it says

(01:13:43):
the Robert all.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
The way down there.

Speaker 8 (01:13:44):
Let me get my big head out of the way,
all the way down to the bottom of the Robert.
We added the T there to give him the affection.
It's a surname of the Robert. And check it out,
go visit the line, could go buy it's on Amazon.
You could buy it tonight and probably get it tomorrow
and be reading it by this time tomorrow night. Please
help our friends, Please help the Robert. Let's inspire him
to continue writing, because he's a talented guy and we

(01:14:05):
need to hear the things he has to say. That's
what human inspiration is about. This is what collaboration is about.
And this is why I'm here talking to you guys,
proving to you even a knucklehead like me can show
up and do something like this. You have to commit
to it. You have to want to be good at things.
You have to practice and then look what happens. Look

(01:14:25):
at all these amazing folks that have spontaneously manifested out
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
You were always there, but now we're here together. You
get it. That's not inspiration.

Speaker 8 (01:14:37):
I don't know what to tell you, James, anything on
what Robert said or anything else she got.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
We got a couple minutes left before the break. If
you had anything else.

Speaker 7 (01:14:43):
Dad, Yeah, I mean just talking about being here in
part of this community. I wouldn't have a co host
I have now on weekends without being here, at least
not the same one. I guess maybe eventually someone else, uh,
but not the same one. And grateful for that and

(01:15:04):
to you and to two Gen for making that possible.
But also I do agree with Robert on the Marvel thing.
It may be controversial, I'm sorry, that's how I feel.
I don't like when major corporations by uh, smaller companies
that have been doing just fine with their with their fiction,

(01:15:26):
writing their fiction for decades overall, and then do what
they do to them. But anyway, ironic enough, I have
switched over in mostly from writing to doing my shows.
And it's not that I'm ruling out every writing more,
but I've definitely changed my focus. And it's for a

(01:15:52):
while I was kind of worried about maybe was I
done writing, and and I thought maybe I was. But
now I'm just to the point where if I feel
like it, when I feel like it, I will write more.
That's fine. But until then I'm not going to force
it either, and whatever happens will happen. Then we'll go

(01:16:13):
from there. And that's been part of just changing and
just pushing forward, because I'm going back to what you
mentioned about, you know, about giving up. That's why I
did for that ten years or so, just that I
mentioned earlier, I didn't know what to do. I did
some writing here and there, but overall I was just existing.

(01:16:34):
I was just killing time and it was okay, But
I always felt like I wanted to do something on
a regular basis. I wanted to have something to do
on a regular basis. And so I'm really grateful now
that I have that with the podcast and everything that
I do, and also being able to call in as

(01:16:58):
much as I'm able on your show as well. So
thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
We're glad to have you. We're glad to have you.

Speaker 8 (01:17:03):
And this is the thing, right, if you're doing it right,
that butterfly effect does play and sort of that inspiration
effect goes, and look, I've been inspired by a great
many people and can I'm continue to be inspired by
many of you guys that show up and again call
in and with the great chats and all the things.
Send me the amazing emails and encourage me to keep
going and tell me again some private thoughts. Sometimes don't

(01:17:25):
share this, but here's some things that happen to me,
Like I get a lot of those type of emails,
and thank you for sharing those ideas. And yeah, everybody
has an origin story on what makes you a massive weirdo?
And again I'm a massive weirdo. So I don't mean
that in a derogatory sense. I mean it in the
sense that if you consider what we're looking at and
what we're dealing with in an upside down world and

(01:17:45):
you don't notice it, well maybe the joke's on you
and it may not be the best. So let's talk
about it. Let's consider it together, and let's wonder why
some of the things that we think about are not verboten.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
At least they shouldn't be. But we'll talk about him anyway.

Speaker 8 (01:18:02):
Love to hear your thoughts on this seven oh two
nine five seven one zero three seven and click the
discord link of Troubleminds dot Org.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
I think, or hey, you're welcome to jump in here.
We got Derek the Knightstalker coming up.

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
I think.

Speaker 8 (01:18:11):
I think at the bottom of the hour, you tell
me more on the way, don't go anywhere. Welcome back

(01:18:39):
to Troubled Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange. We're streaming
on YouTube, rumbo x, Twitch and Kick. We are broadcasting
live on the Troubled Minds Radio Network KUAP Digital broadcasting
at eighty eight point four FM Auckland, New Zealand Today
we're talking. Look I'm calling it's the origin story, collapse
in creation, and as you know, the Phoenix from the
Ashes is probably the original trope here. I mean, it's

(01:19:00):
ancient mythology. It is the cycles of the collapse and
the creation, the birth and the rebirth of not just
let's say a human self, but ideas, the collapse in
creation of.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
I don't know, you could look of civilization.

Speaker 8 (01:19:14):
So you can scale this to kind of fit an
any amount of things, and it's endlessly fascinating because it's
a very human concept. It's a very human way of
looking at the world, and it's something we've all gone
through in some capacity. And that's why again, why I
kind of touch on a lot of these mythological spaces,
the Carl Jung, the Joseph Campbell stuff, the ancient mythology,

(01:19:37):
because it resonates still in twenty twenty five when it shouldn't.
I mean, right, given that the thousands of years of
evolution and civilization and learning from each other and growing
and changing, and you know, maybe we shouldn't murder each
other anymore as part of these larger wars.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
Well, I mean a.

Speaker 8 (01:19:54):
Lot of those things are still happening so maybe it
makes some sense that mythological spaces still play and twenty
twenty five. Anyway, what is your origin story or how
about this and the origin story in terms of being
a deep seated weirdo which is cool because I am
one too, and or what is the most compelling origin
story to you? And why aren't we drawn to these things?

(01:20:15):
Love to hear your thoughts on this seven O two
nine five seven one zero three seven Click the discord
link at Troubledminds dot org. Butch on the show just
like this. Let's go to Derek in Massachusetts.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 16 (01:20:25):
Love them.

Speaker 7 (01:20:27):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
Also, brother, welcome to the joint you thanks for being
patient on you're out there grinding it's on the truck
and whatnot.

Speaker 8 (01:20:34):
Welcome. What's on your mind, my man? Go right ahead.
Lots of things to talk about, lots of things to
consider here.

Speaker 17 (01:20:40):
Well, I feel personally attacked about the superhero slop thing.
What do you guys talking about? You know, the greatest
stuff in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
Oh, come on.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
We're definitely in a low point right now. For sure.

Speaker 17 (01:20:50):
We're definitely in a I blame I mean, superhero fatigue
is the kind of the cut praise or whatever. But
that's also I listened to a lot of like old stuff,
so a like a movie Fights in like twenty fifteen,
and they're using the term superhero fatigue at that point.
They were talking about superhero fatigue when like X Men
came out in like the early two thousand and stuff.

(01:21:11):
So I think right now, like Robert kind of Neil
that it's corporate slop fatigue. It's like it's kind of
and superheroes have been the peak of pop culture for
twenty going on twenty years now since like Ironman in
Dark Knight in two thousand and eight, and we're in
twenty twenty five right now, so there's like multiple generations.
Gen Zy and Jennelf I've all like been going into it.
You know, they don't consider it to be cool. It's

(01:21:32):
millennial stuff for them, you know. But do I think
that they're pivoting to something better. No, The biggest movie
of the year is a Minecraft movie, which is straight
up and garbage, and then the biggest movie right now
is pay Pop Demon Hunters, which is written by Ai.
You know, it's like they're not pivoting to anything better.
It's just like something they need, something recognizable, but new
is what's going to be the next few years. So

(01:21:53):
like Barbie, something new but to recognizable brand like Minecraft
something I knew form of medium but recognizable something you know,
but it's still a kind of corporate's glow.

Speaker 4 (01:22:05):
What do you think about that?

Speaker 17 (01:22:05):
But yeah, we're it's tough time to be a diopsypuropean
right now for sure.

Speaker 8 (01:22:10):
Yeah, no, no, I'm with you that this stuff is
definitely complicated. And just because you know the I think
there was a little bit of a fall if I did, like,
for instance, the second Doctor Stranger, I thought it was good,
but I think there was a fall off from the
first one. And I think we're headed there. I don't
think it's because again that we're out as stories to tell.

(01:22:31):
I mean, look at the stories we tell on a
nightly basis, So with all manner of things, like, we're
sort of fracturing all manner of ideas into things that
could be made into novels, that could be made into comics,
that could be made into movies. And if you're watching
us and listening to the ideas that kind of flow
through the show, a lot of them sure are based
in ancient ideas, but also, as we grew up sort

(01:22:53):
of in the pop culture realm of you know, our space,
there are time slices. I always like to call that
we've learned a bunch of that, and I don't know,
like it's almost as if they don't know, well what
we want. I mean, they just don't know what the
audience wants. They're just like, well, this made a bunch
of money, so let's try and do that again. And
it's like, well, bro, you also did that five or
six or seven times now, and so we're kind of

(01:23:15):
tired of that. Maybe do something else. I don't know,
it's it's it's weird. We're in a we're in a
weird spot and stuff.

Speaker 17 (01:23:21):
And I won't get too into it because it'll take
up threughf of my time basically, but like part of
it too, is the kind of the we're talking from
before with the end of monoculture, is bringing the kind
of last gasp of connected tissue of society as like, hey,
this corporate slop is bad, right, we can all agree
on that that's bad. We don't like this new stuff,
and that's so the popular thing to do is to

(01:23:42):
say that something is bad. Basically, So like Superman just
came out the summer, might be in the top five
superhero movies of all time, but it's not doing that
well financially.

Speaker 4 (01:23:54):
It's doing okay, but I mean it's it's definitely.

Speaker 17 (01:23:59):
Like it's not making a billion dollars is half that,
you know, and it's it's critically aclaimed. So we're just
we're leaving the space where you can just like send
out any garbage superhero movie and make a billion dollars
off of it, you.

Speaker 4 (01:24:10):
Know, So they got to readjust I guess they're telling
better stories or they get to start.

Speaker 17 (01:24:14):
I mean, the Marvel problem is that they don't have
finished scripts before they start rolling tape. We're just not
good for making movies and stuff, you know, But like
for the mythology aspect that way, that's what these superheroes are.
That's kind of why we talked about this at the
time too over the last few years. But our God's
Birth bandits like that whole idea. These things are, these
characters are just we interpretations of ancient myths and ancient

(01:24:35):
gods and ancient figures and stuff like flash with Hermes
and Mercury and that kind of stuff. Like these are
just archetypical forces that have been repackaged for a new
a new era. Kind of it might be it might
be coming up at the time where there's about something new,
Like before Superman, there was no superheroes, So.

Speaker 4 (01:24:55):
The idea of I don't know, so like I don't,
I don't.

Speaker 17 (01:24:58):
People keep saying it's going to be video game movies
or it's going to be anime, live action stuff, and
I don't know if it's been invented yet. That's kind
of where I'm leaning on right now that superheroes before
superheroes didn't exist, So I think we might something might
we might be invented in a couple of years. That
might be the next one hundred. You know, Superman is
kind of my origin that I want to talk about.

Speaker 8 (01:25:19):
Think with all that, Yeah, no, back to the beginning, right,
maybe go back to the Titans, or even a sort
of fast forward to the future and think about you know,
AI systems battling uh, you know, maybe maybe alien.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Superheroes and some capacity.

Speaker 8 (01:25:32):
I mean, like, there's there's so many ways to kind
of take this fractally, but also it's got to be
compelling enough for people to watch or want to watch
so as usual, like.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
A good idea is a good idea.

Speaker 8 (01:25:41):
However, you have to be able to tell the story
in a compelling way or else it's just more trash.
And so that becomes the skill. That's the art of it.
That's why AI can't replace people in this context. Yet
it's creative, But is it creative enough to do something
like that? And I'm not so sure. I think we
got a ways to go there. And you know, we've
been tip tip of the spear here. It's the bleeding
edge of AI systems and kind of using these things

(01:26:04):
and you know, making having them make poems live on
the air and all kinds of stuff. We've done all
kinds of things on this show as part of it
learning the capacity for this. But beyond that, it's I
don't know. I think we're we're stuck. I think we're
stuck for what we want. It's almost as if the
zeitgeist has sort of hit a pause and we're on
tenter hooks waiting for what that next thing might be.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
And I don't know what it is. To be honest,
there's a lot of options I would take it, but yeah,
go ahead, all yours.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
And I've been thinking about it a lot, and I
don't I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 17 (01:26:34):
I think it's it's just pumped in my head right now,
but just because of the K pop Demon Hunters aspect
of it, which is very huge, and it's it's it's
a Netflix movie that's getting written beads now because it's
like most popular movie of all time or whatever, and
it's it's like the single long thing, but it's like
blatantly written by AI, and like I think pop is
written by AI, and it's like early Oughts boy band,

(01:26:57):
late nineties boy brand stuff, but just more packaged and
more are official and stuff, but people who are eating
it up, So.

Speaker 4 (01:27:03):
I don't think there's like a.

Speaker 17 (01:27:06):
People are like crafting for more organic stuff and more
human stuff because I don't know. I think just like
other cultures like John John Wick today and the amount
of like other cultures, like the coolness of it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:17):
The coolness of the aesthetic was that it was incorporating like.

Speaker 17 (01:27:20):
Russian and German and Asian and like African aesthetics all
into New York City and stuff. So it's kind of
a we're seeing some kind of amalgamation or like synthesis
of what's cool all around the world potentially creating some
new melting pot of coolness that's the child of the Internet.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
You know, that wouldn't have been created otherwise. You know.

Speaker 17 (01:27:39):
I was seeing that with like music too, where like
the rap fans are real critical rap right now and
they're saying, like, go back to the early two thousands,
like the late nineties, and a rapper from Atlanta and
a rapper from New Orleans, and a rapper from California
and a rapper from Southern California versus Northern California versus
New York sound all different and they all have their
own little like this. A New York sound is so

(01:27:59):
is Atlantis, the Oakland sounds of the LA sound.

Speaker 4 (01:28:02):
It's the idea.

Speaker 17 (01:28:03):
But now it's just the Internet sound and everybody sounds
like everybody, you know, So is that the end of
culture or is it? Like are we in a the
coon phase where the had to fill with melting and
something news is going to form? So potentially, like right
now we're in a like everything is congealing together. We're
getting the congealed versions that all. It's all seems kind
of same, but we might see something really cool. But

(01:28:25):
the k pop demon hunters, and I'm blanking on the
other example. But there's another like blank, not abraham like
a vampire hunt, but like a regular job demon hunter,
a sipid thing. It might be no more gods as
a hero, but regular people as the heroes because we're
losing celebrities. Celebrities are no longer like cool regular people,
and now the celebrities aka.

Speaker 4 (01:28:44):
Streamers or whatever, you know what I mean.

Speaker 17 (01:28:46):
So I've been talking about the nice talker for that
was before I started calling in a show.

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
It's a nice talker.

Speaker 17 (01:28:52):
Was a comic idea, was a movie, was a movie idea,
and then I got into comics so that I could
write a comic movie without being being comic.

Speaker 4 (01:28:59):
Litterate or whatever. But at the superhero that's a shelf
stalker overnight.

Speaker 17 (01:29:03):
You mean, So it's like maybe that's the next thing,
the regular people taking upon these myths and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
It's like, I mean, so it's God's to like mutants as.

Speaker 17 (01:29:12):
Gods or aliens of gods or people with powers whatever,
and now like oh my gods, pip hop singers or
grocers or or like like coarbage worker, like you mean,
like coverage like bigfoot hunting, garbage Man could be a
I mean like that type of stuff that could be
going to the.

Speaker 8 (01:29:28):
I'm not going to tell you what I do, but
I certainly could write my job into a story like
like like an actual superhero bit. I told you the
the the Finest stumbling upon the big Lower Aerospace.

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
Storage facility, I mean that type of stuff. But like,
there are things that happen every day out there all
over the world that are interesting, that are compelling, that
could be written into these larger stories.

Speaker 8 (01:29:50):
And I think you're right, like we don't need Superman
like we need humans being the heroes.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
That's the whole point here.

Speaker 8 (01:29:57):
Is Superman's great and all, but he was you know,
sort of an anti Nazi propaganda in like nineteen fifty
I mean thirty nine, yeah, thirty nine, yeah, yeah, even
from the back back than that. So it's like, okay,
so you know, Superman, he's cool and all, but maybe
it's time for the heroes to be us.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
Maybe that's it.

Speaker 8 (01:30:16):
Maybe that's the AI fracturing of this is going to
be us being able to create ourselves as superheroes or
each other as superheroes.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
I'm into that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:24):
Hopefully that'd be cool.

Speaker 17 (01:30:26):
Yeah, I mean, speaking of Superman, I've been like I'm
gonna I'm gonna skip my own over just story because
last time we did the show, I talked way too
long about myself.

Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
And want to do it again.

Speaker 17 (01:30:35):
But like two Superman days ago, I did like a
like two Batman days ago I started, I did like
a whole month of Batman. So since and then like
Star Wars day, I did a whole month of Stock
I started getting into that as a way to like
carry it content. I'm watching the two Superman days ago.
So like a year and a half ago, a year
and four months ago, I started a Superman month, and

(01:30:57):
during that I figured, I feel like I cracked Superman
probably like in my head working on this like nebulous
Superman video that I've been talking about for so long.
And then in the middle of that, so that was
a year and four months ago. In the middle of that,
I got a computer and I still haven't done this
thing yet. So as just my only part of this
overder story is that like as a as an example
of like this weird prison purgatory that I'm put myself

(01:31:21):
in or whatever, that I can't get these ideas out.
You know, I've been talking about the stump Superman idea
for almost a year and a half and it's not
no closer to having it out, you know, and it's
someone's almost over. So it's frustrated for me. But Superman,
the origin of that is maybe the one that we
know the most. Kryptons, the ftority came down on the
ship or whatever, but it's tied into the ancient mythologies,

(01:31:41):
like that's the Moses myth. Mythod was created by two
Jewish people. I'm from America, from Canada. They for this,
the Moses story of putting the baby in the basket
to save his life and then taking it becomes a
hero of the of the new civilization or whatever. That's
Superman being put into the equivalent of a basket and
sent on the river the space ship and since to Earth.

(01:32:04):
But then then like Themeric brought his hands on it
kind of and it became Jesus parallel kind of this,
like the like Krypton sent their only son to Earth
to save them. Basically, it's kind of a cool amalgamation
from the story in the Jesus story.

Speaker 8 (01:32:21):
Totally sorry, yeah, he's the only son to save them
from themselves.

Speaker 17 (01:32:25):
Totally absolutely exactly, exactly, exactly exactly, and it's and it's
the first superhero, so it's it's like its origin is
the origin of superheroes and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:32:36):
But it's also kind of like Superman is not.

Speaker 17 (01:32:39):
It's my favor, it's always been my favorite superhero, but
Batman is the best written hero in comics.

Speaker 4 (01:32:45):
He's the he's the coolest stories. It might be because
it's easy to.

Speaker 17 (01:32:49):
Tell stories that if there's more challenges or a hero
that can do everything in this the most powerful being
is harder to write stories for, but I've always fund
them cool and stuff that I've admitted a story has
been been tough, but the kind of the the origin
is been unexplored, the unexplored parts of the origin and stuff.
So I feel like I've cracked these unexplored things and

(01:33:10):
I want to save Superman. I feel like my life
has come to the point now I've been like terminating in.

Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
This culture, and the skills that.

Speaker 17 (01:33:20):
I have is to kind of synthesize ideas, to come
up with my own ideas that blah blah blah that
I've kind of done that Superman, And if you have
a couple of minutes, I'd like to as as much
as I can, like split out some of the stuff
just to get it out of my.

Speaker 4 (01:33:31):
Crawl here because it's all right.

Speaker 17 (01:33:36):
So I'm not kind of asking the form of questions
because Superman is the most iconic super superhero potentially so.

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
And if you don't know, don'll be embarrassed. No, no,
Wady knows what still point of it? Now?

Speaker 17 (01:33:47):
Why why does Superman? Like what does Kristonnight hurt Superman?

Speaker 4 (01:33:54):
Do you know? Guess wonder?

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
We're doing quiz style.

Speaker 4 (01:34:00):
I mean, just like the.

Speaker 17 (01:34:01):
Only way I can possibly get it's gonna be a
two hour video, so I'm kind of quick crunching into
eight minutes here.

Speaker 4 (01:34:06):
We'll see what I can do. Okay.

Speaker 8 (01:34:07):
So, so because it's from his planet Krypton, which which
is from the Red Star, and he gets the Yellow
Star here, I don't know, like I'm not sure why
the why it makes any sense in that capacity.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
I think maybe you're on the stand. It doesn't make it.

Speaker 17 (01:34:22):
Sccessible, It doesn't make any sense, that's the whole point.
So he gets his fun. Yeah, so he like the
kind of the consensus. I mean, and this has been
it's been so ninety years of history, so there's a
lot of different people have put the spin on it,
but still it hasn't really been correct. But essentially crypped
On is this futuristic paradise world or whatever sci fi
world that is under a red sign.

Speaker 4 (01:34:43):
So they're all like human human they're humans basically, and.

Speaker 17 (01:34:48):
When it was exploding, they sent them to Earth and
then under the yellow sun, his cells whatever can absorb
the yellow light, and then he becomes Superman. Kryptonite is
rocks from his destroyed planet's pieces of his destroyed planet
that has this radiation that hurts them. It doesn't really
hurt anybody else, and some stories looks looks like it's
radiation poisoning because it keeps.

Speaker 4 (01:35:05):
Krypton it on for using, using, and using stuff up.

Speaker 17 (01:35:07):
For the most part, it only hurts Superman, but it
really doesn't make that much friend of the stuff. So
what I'm kind of thinking is that Superman and like
the I'm not I'm gonna be a plit top, but
like the crystal technology and stuff that that Superman is absorbed,
he acts like a battery. A lot of his villains
are also different forms of battery. They absorbed different energy.

(01:35:30):
Some of his villains are actually made of kryptonite, and
they like are powered by kryptonite. Cryptonite robots and that
type of the crip. The stuff that like kryptonite has
provide some type of energy source. It radiates some type
of energy, and then why my family does he So

(01:35:52):
essentially kryptonite has absorbed the trauma of that instance, the
entire planet being being destroyed and.

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
Of a billion screams all happening at once.

Speaker 8 (01:36:03):
I catch you like an alder On from Star Wars
when they when when Obi Wan felt a thousand screams
in the nights when they zapped the planet. Yeah, and
so it's it's I'm going to cut to the chase
and guess that that's zapped into that rock and that's
what's actually affecting him up.

Speaker 17 (01:36:19):
So he's yeah, exactly. So he's absorbing the actual trauma
from the planet. So that's why it affects him and
it doesn'tffect the rest of us. And something he's kind
of like this battery. But also he why is he
better than all of us? Why or why is he
kind of why is he super? Why is he just
like voice Scout character? And it's because he absorbs I

(01:36:42):
was going to take a whole happen hour to get
into this record, but enough time. But essentially the hints
are the reason that he also absorbs what humanity projects
onto him. So as a bait, so I'm going to
get into the crypton culture and stuff and how they
imprint like life tasks and everything. So essentially, instead of
being imprinted as by the elves, he was imprinted by

(01:37:04):
the Kents when he when his ship opened up.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
And these two people who couldn't have the two nicest
people on the whole planet. That's that's what the Kents are. Superman.

Speaker 17 (01:37:12):
If he landed any any of the buddy's doorstep in
the world, he would be evil and he would hurt us,
and it would be because he landed on this the
doorstep of these two Kents who couldn't have a kid,
they want to have a kid. The the ship opens,
the first thing they say, The first thing he feels
is the radiation of their hoping, Oh my god, this
baby and from that's why he's from the heaven.

Speaker 4 (01:37:34):
That's why he's he's the best of us or whatever.

Speaker 18 (01:37:35):
And and real quick that the officer that would be
landing in New York City and somebody's like, eh, walking here.

Speaker 17 (01:37:47):
There is the elsewhere story of when it's Superman red
red Sun, but it's like Red Son of like rush
and routing Red where he lands on the rocking doorstep
or whatever, and it's just again, it's gonna get to
our video. But I got corrected the entire mythology. So
if you have a super advance so crypto cor brec
to Rypton, why if this super advanced civilization, why didn't

(01:38:11):
they colonize all of space? Why didn't they dominate all
of space? Why are they living under a red sun?
Why didn't they go like why aren't there tons of
super superheroes, I mean Superman, every weird like like dominating
us because they because because they absorb their star's energy
to give them life, and the entire planet does. The
religion worships this thing. The religion worships the star so

(01:38:34):
that they believe it's a god raw and do go
and try to work up another son akay, worship another god.

Speaker 4 (01:38:42):
It's blasphemous.

Speaker 17 (01:38:43):
So you have an entire you have an elite population
of people who are kind of giving their planet in
a prison planet because they don't want because they were
loyal to the lung god or whatever, and then your
affection of like military exot to be this the military,
or realize that potentially there or scientists who realize that.
I fear you're actually imprisoned right now, probably just row god,

(01:39:04):
you're kept down. If we had a different worship and
different gods, son, then we would be well, all be gods.
We're kept in this prison. And they try to change
the color of the sun from red to yellow, and
this climate change thing, that's why they blew themselves up
like they destroyed themselves, which is not a part of
the commet or whatever. So again, I wish I took

(01:39:27):
more time to talk about this because I want to
be mo frustrated.

Speaker 4 (01:39:29):
I didn't get it out.

Speaker 17 (01:39:30):
It's gonna sound bad, but believe me, I have a
two hours I cracked it. So my origins story right
now or my think let's occupy most of my thoughts
right now, is trying to save superheroes.

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
I've been. I've been.

Speaker 17 (01:39:43):
I was born the year Batmania. That look superheroes like
arguably the beginning of the superhero boom. I graduated high
school when Iron Man and Dark Knight came out. That's
the golden age of superheroes. And I've just and I've
had a stunted at adulthood because I've been allowed to
watch superheroes for my time twenties and thirties because it's
get it cool and stuff. And now as like they're dying,

(01:40:06):
I feel like I can use my abilities to save them,
to turn something that's considered to be corny and goofy
and like comic e logic that doesn't make any sense,
and turn it into Dune. And that's what I'm trying
to work on right now. Basically, I think I did it.
I just need to get it out of my brain
and onto paper.

Speaker 4 (01:40:21):
And I did a bed doing that.

Speaker 8 (01:40:23):
No, no, no, no, I love it, absolutely not. And
I think this is exactly the point too. Really, what
we're doing here together is sort of looking at these
old tales and if you look at the what's his name,
the Secret Sun Guy. Again, no disrespect, I'm not casting
a shade on anybody. Krystnals like he's like a you know,
those old stories are dead, like you can't you cannot
resurrect the hero's journey has been beaten to death.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
And I don't know. I think it's it's too ingrained
in us to really just kind of cast aside and say, well,
just because it's been done ten million times doesn't mean
you can't do it ten million and one. There are
different ways to look at these ideas and different you
know fold you can kind of put into those stories,
and so I see it a little differently. Look these guys,
and I've got mine, but you in particular are very

(01:41:03):
locked into this, and it's good. This is good. Like
you know, some might say, like, you.

Speaker 8 (01:41:07):
Know, James for instance, you know, he's like, I was
just kind of playing video games and listening to podcasts,
and it's it's literally made him an expert in his field, right,
and he doesn't want to admit it. But this is
the type of stuff that like will become very human
things because eventually we talk about these AI systems sort
of gobbling up basically like I do it sort of

(01:41:30):
in chunks, you know, like not necessarily like the most
granular way of kind of looking at this. I try
to do it that way, but it's it's impossible because
you have to know so many things that the AI doesn't,
but you do, like if an AI spits a thing
out about Superman, you're going to be able to spot
like twenty two fallacies on like three paragraphs. You can
be like, no, that's not exactly accurate, that's not right.

(01:41:52):
This type of stuff and this and these, these are
going to become human traits. These are going to become value,
whether you think so or not so. So don't just
bear on that, man, Like, don't don't again. You're always
kicking dirt in your own face and you shouldn't because
you're you're brilliant and amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
But I am looking forward to that.

Speaker 8 (01:42:07):
And if, by the way, if you need help setting
that up or creating the video, right, yeah, you let
me know.

Speaker 3 (01:42:12):
You let me know.

Speaker 8 (01:42:13):
We'll peel out of Saturday or something or time when
you have time. And I'd love to help you. I'd
love I'd love to be part of that and help
you release that and help you edit it or whatever
you want.

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
Man, I'm here for you, Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:42:24):
You.

Speaker 17 (01:42:26):
It exists in my head, the notes kind of exist.
I just know it's going to be a forty hour
berth to get it out of my body. And I
just don't have I haven't had any vacation. I haven't
had that in the last year. So I know that, like,
once I get started on something. It's going to make
it so I can't like work that night. That's gonna
So I've been thinking about, is there a technology where me,
you and James can just talk for two hours and

(01:42:46):
then we put that audio into a AI text and
I can turn it into text for me and then
I can just edit that and that'll save me fifteen
hours for the time right there.

Speaker 3 (01:42:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely we can do that. We can
we can do that private and recording and ye yeah,
I got you, I got you.

Speaker 8 (01:43:03):
You let me know when you got the time. James
will set this up, but we'll do this and we'll
talk about this.

Speaker 17 (01:43:07):
Absolutely, just put a little ball on just for the origins.
I feel like I am living in my duct night
of the Soul. I feel like I'm doing it for
a while, for too long, too long. It's gonna be
like crying a little bit. But it just without Also,
without that, I wouldn't have observed in this content. I
wouldn't have become the night Stalk. I wouldn't have met
you guys. This a lot that wouldn't have happened if

(01:43:28):
I didn't have this pathetic origin story. So hopefully we
can all help each other to get out of it
and keep going on here restraining together.

Speaker 4 (01:43:35):
But keep going, you guys, everybody, keep going. Sorry for rambling.

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
You're the best. It's not pathetic, man, stop it. Stop
doing that. Stop doing that yourself. We appreciate you very much.
Thank you for popping in here. You're the best. You
know me.

Speaker 8 (01:43:45):
Love them trou up mindes dot org forard side friends,
scroll down a little bit. You bet your bippy. It
is a night stalker and it is under end as
you would expect. Go go follow his YouTube channel. Many
of you have, and I appreciate that. Let's uh, let's again.
He's got one trailer video over there as far as
the last time I checked, and you can see him
actually stalking by dark of Knight. He is the best
grosser in the known multiverse. Please go check that out.

(01:44:05):
Go give him a follow, Go leave him a nice comment.
Tell him we're looking forward to the Superman forty hour
treatment because he's locked in. What the Here your thoughts
on this? We're talking origin stories seven oh two nine,
seven one zero three seven. Click the discord link at
troubleminds dot org.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
Be right back. More troubled minds on the way.

Speaker 8 (01:44:50):
Welcome back to Trouble Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange.
We're streaming on YouTube, rumble x, Twitch and Kick. We
are broadcasting live on the Trouble Minds Radio Network at
KUAP Digital Broadcasting and of course a the eight point
four FM Auckland, New Zealand. We're talking about the origin story. Okay,
not just the singular but the fractal origin story.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
What does that mean to you? Now?

Speaker 8 (01:45:11):
Like I said, I'm here for a reason, and it's
in the beginning of the intro here you're here for
a reason, right, That's the whole point of the thing,
is Like if this hit and recognize that that intro
was recorded before anybody had ever heard any of this,
that's without me even knowing what this would become eventually.
Is that you're here for a reason. That reason becomes

(01:45:33):
personal to you, like it is a call to you
that you were here by dark of night, listening to
our weirdness and our fractal conglomerate weirdness for a reason.
You had an experience, you know, somebody that did You
saw something, you felt something, You recognize the world as
not as it seems to be, and that's what drew

(01:45:55):
you to the space. And this is what we're talking about,
that origin story.

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
I'm calling it lapse in creation because as usual, that's
what these superheroes seem to be. And are we not
superheroes ourselves? Are we not that Joseph Campbell hero's journey
at least conceptually and then physically as we embody this
through the meat suit journey of beginning to end the
temporary aspect of being us. Yeah, you bet your ass.

Speaker 4 (01:46:21):
We are.

Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
And that's the way I see it. And if you.

Speaker 8 (01:46:25):
Disagree, that's cool. Love to hear your thoughts on this.
Seven O two nine five one zero three seven. Click
the discord link at Troubledminds dot org. We'll put you
on the show. Thank tight, James. We'll get to in
just a second. Rick has been waiting a very long
time as well. You guys are welcome to chop it
up together. Ricky in the Tri State area, Tennessey. What's
their brother? Your own Troubled Minds? How are you, sir?

Speaker 3 (01:46:42):
What's on your mind?

Speaker 16 (01:46:42):
Tonight?

Speaker 3 (01:46:43):
Go right ahead?

Speaker 7 (01:46:45):
Good?

Speaker 4 (01:46:45):
Good?

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
Can you hear we are?

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
Yeah? You sound great?

Speaker 1 (01:46:47):
Line and clear, Okay, just making sure I'm kind of open.
I get some upgrades comen and pulling stuff apart, and
I was hoping some unbradses show up today, but it didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
So when that happens, I've got I've got that too.
I was supposed to get some some stuff arriving today
and via Amazon, and they're like, oh, to be there tomorrow.
I'm like, bro, because I was hoping that like a
tie in a new thing for the thing tonight. Anyway, whatever,
anyway I feel.

Speaker 1 (01:47:16):
You god problem, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're doing recording. I'm like, no, no, no,
everything well, but.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
You're stuck in with us.

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
I'm looking forward to Derek doing the show. I want
to hear. I want to see Derek do a show.
I'll be tuning in every week. He's probably takes the
time and gets servery ps and q's and stuff. I
know it was working on all the other my brain
is completely add nine. But yeah, we are. We are

(01:47:49):
the digital teers, you know where everybody knows your name,
you know, it's that's what we are, the digital cheers.

Speaker 4 (01:48:00):
But we.

Speaker 1 (01:48:03):
I was just thinking, you know, with you know, like
you know, just you know how summer of the time
might is just you know, we got to we do
we need to keep on the path. We need to
keep on, keep on keeping on. It's I like to say,
don't you know a lot, but I'm surely mean it.
It's just not me just saying stuff. It's because we

(01:48:24):
know we uh, you know, we never know like who
we're we are affecting what we're doing. And sometimes when
we're sitting there doing things and you know, and not
you know, you know, everybody here in this group, in
the Treble Lines family, we all affect each other and
we all bring out extra stuff and brings out you know,

(01:48:46):
deposits and and everything. Or you know, when somebody's having
a negative day, you know, people are here to talk
or listen. Indie, you know. It's it's a great support
system and so and everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:49:01):
It's just it's like I said, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
Just want them you know if you you know, if
you stop stop doing it, or you know, like like
I for me personally, like a you know, you know,
I thought about, well, you know, maybe like I had
opportunities with my old job. I could I could go

(01:49:24):
go run and move right into the country, and they
wanted me. I used to run the assphalt plants and stuff,
and they want me to go run another asphalt plan
different companies, and they're like, come please, we need you.
You know, there's not many people with your experience and
what you can do. Please come down here. You know,
we'll pay you whatever you want, you know, And one
actually said that, but it was in Chicago. This h

(01:49:47):
you know, but you know that I would have had
to lose I would have had to ship down my gym.
I'd have to lose that part of things. And so
I turned down a whole bunch of money, you know.
But it's you know, because to me, it's not about
the money. It's about the you know, affecting lives. And
and when you know you have people with it like

(01:50:08):
man and I had moments like, man, what am I thinking?
You know, Man, I could you know, throw away six
figure salary? You know, what am I doing? You know?
But then when you have people come up to you
later on and just like you know, thank you for
you know, helping my child, thank you all just them
coming to you, thank you for doing this, and thank
you for that. You know, it reminds you of, Okay,

(01:50:32):
I'm on the right path. I'm supposed to be doing
what I'm doing. And he you know, and so he
stay he stay keeping on keeping on it, and you
know they had that that that origin of you know,
where you started and how you know what you got into,

(01:50:52):
you know.

Speaker 19 (01:50:53):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
Like you know, like now I'm kind of my mold
is like you know, I just do gym and then
I'm taking aways of you know, growing the podcast and
see what I can do and just you know, different
ways of doing things and just having fun you know,
and come around in all these different people and stuff

(01:51:16):
like that. And so it's been a it's been a
great journey for me and everything. But you know, if
anybody is sitting back down and sitting back and going.

Speaker 20 (01:51:27):
Hey, you know, maybe I can't do this, maybe I
can't like you know, and you're gonna have hard times.
You're gonna have difficult times, You're gonna have ups and
downs with you know, keep on keeping on for really.

Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
It's it's you'll see it, you know, eventually you'll see
the fruit of your yuh of the hard work you
put in. You know. It's like a like a meme
I seen and I think I posted in the in
the discord and the means is you know, it's you know,

(01:52:00):
talking about the seeds you dropped. You know, it might
not be you know, it might take time, but you know,
the seeds you drop in between a little crack of
rock and eventually that tree will go up through that
crack and bust that rock in half, you know, over time.
And so this is kind of you know, have that
positive try to have that positive outload, especially with a

(01:52:21):
crazy world we live right now and all the segatory
being bombarded on this, I just gotta let that go
and get the nature or something like that, or get
somewhere and let how that negativity go.

Speaker 8 (01:52:37):
And absolutely back to what you said about the money too, Yeah,
regarding money, like money to me isn't like.

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
Money doesn't scream power to me. Money screams freedom. You know.
It's like, okay, so if if if I had a
bunch of money, then I could not work my day job,
I didn't have to, and then I you know, I
would be able to do a ton more stuff. I'd
be able to help you more.

Speaker 8 (01:52:59):
I'd be able to help James, or I be able
to help, you know, sort of build a network together
and help other people, like you know, maybe people we've
never heard of. I go, you know, open a soup kitchen,
or something, you know what I mean, I would I
would love to spend my days, you know, feeding people
that need to be fed instead of you know, working
a day job for you know, lunchtime, you know, like
you know, eleven to two or something, just kind of

(01:53:21):
setting something up like that, I mean. And that's the thing, right,
I don't know. At some point when you talk about
money and that capacity, freedom certainly comes first for like
the working class, the blue collar. By the way, I
have a blue collar on tonight. I'm a blue collar
guy obviously, like I didn't pay my way here. I didn't, right,
Like I grinded my way here whatever whatever that looks like,

(01:53:42):
whatever that means to you. But also, eventually, when when
you get past all of that stuff and you can
help whoever you want, whenever you want, money does become power,
and it does corrupt people. And that that's why that
that whole aspect is so sort of the dynamic between
where we started and where we end is fraught with
danger because the corruptions that again shout out to Robert

(01:54:04):
that you know, seven years in the desert, you're tempted
by Satan, like this is this is the Jesus story.

Speaker 3 (01:54:10):
Again, over and over and over and over again. Here
we go.

Speaker 8 (01:54:13):
Right, So just recognize freedom is one thing, but temptation
is completely another. And recognize where one begins and the
other also begins. There's a there's a scale there as
part of it, right, I mean, I don't know, just
conceptual thinking seems seems legit to me.

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
Yeah, I mean absolutely. I mean you can you know,
money is the money is root of all evil, you know,
as they say, and you know, if you do yeah,
like I said, if I had a whole bunch of this,
I could do this, you know, you could, you could
put there. But you know it's but you're doing what's
your supposed to be doing, and you're in the path

(01:54:54):
where you're supposed to be. And I know me, I
had to, you know, for me to keep on doing
what I want to do and be you know, I
just kind of you know, I sold my house and
downside a little bit. But you know, it's it's and
it's been a crazy journey so far this year for me.
But but I'm you know, I'm steadily going forward and

(01:55:15):
not worried about that.

Speaker 4 (01:55:16):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
It's uh, you know, as long as I I told
the people in the gym as I lost, I got
a roof over my head and I got food in
my belly. That's all ready matters to you know, I
have my health, you know, and it's that's it. You know,
I'm good. You know I'll keep on doing what we're doing.
And but yeah, it's it is it's you know that

(01:55:37):
temptation though, is that there is a temptation like, hey,
I could do I man, I could there's a there's
I could go make all this big money down the road.
But what would you lose from me? You know what
you I would you know lose you know you could
lose you know, family time, you can lose ah, you know,
just you know, family time, personal time, all that kind

(01:56:01):
of stuff. You know, Hey, I'm working all these hours
and make this money. But you know, is it you know,
at the end as it piles out, you know, hey,
am I really doing? You know, Life's only here for
a moment, you know. And he looked back and go,
damn uh. You know I was. I used to work
sixty five guaranteed, sixty five hours a week. After all

(01:56:23):
we up to dining and and I was doing sixty
five and plus a gym every every week and it's
just like now I have time for friends, I don't
have time for family, I don't have time for anything.
And it was I know me personally, I had to
you know, something I had to give, you know, So
but yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:56:42):
That many hours, but you know, you barely have time
for a cat and your cat's pissed off when you
get home, and that's never good. Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah,
it's it's a it's a good I mean, this is
a good thing.

Speaker 8 (01:56:54):
So so you drop some of this stuff. And so
what what radicalized you? What's your origin story of that?

Speaker 12 (01:56:59):
Was?

Speaker 4 (01:57:00):
It?

Speaker 3 (01:57:00):
Was it that literal like like on your shoulders.

Speaker 8 (01:57:03):
The weight of the world of just doing ninety hour
weeks You're like, f this, I'm done. Was that what
sort of radicalized you to sort of look at things
a little differently?

Speaker 1 (01:57:12):
So I would I would say some of some of
the COVID stuff that he don't wear. Life changed so
quick and like I still did everything I wanted to,
but like, you know, just the you know, I thought
of you know, hey, my and I don't know when
you know what tomorrow will bring, you know, and people
losing their loved ones and stuff like that. It's using

(01:57:34):
all these hours, and then work kind of messed me
over a little bit that we had a said run
an asphalt plan to hit a huge, big, huge mixing
drum on the mixes out of the rocks and sand
and liquid and all that kind of good stuff. And
we've been My old boss before he retired, was telling
him it was wore out. I was telling him around

(01:57:56):
for years, and then told my bosses and like right
up up to the VP and everything, and it came apart.
It absolutely came apart, shot stuff out the side of it.
And they went to the president company and the VP
and my commedia boss and told, well, Ricky wasn't doing maintenance,
so that was wrong with it. It was it was
Ricky's fault, and literally threw me on the bus. All

(01:58:18):
I'm like, I gave y'all eighteen years of my life
and this is what sixty five and ninety hours a
week and this is what the respect I get. Yeah,
I fied my thumb and got my ducks in a row,
and I'm like, I'm not you know, it's a part
of corporate America and all that, and I'm just I
was like, I don't want people all that. No more,

(01:58:39):
I'm done, I'm good.

Speaker 3 (01:58:40):
Yeah, yeah, and I'm sorry to hear that about you.
Like all those years that happened to me way early on.

Speaker 8 (01:58:46):
It was like five or six years of my life,
and I had I had who I thought were my
friends that I went out of my way to help
constantly and continually.

Speaker 3 (01:58:54):
Lie about me. I was like, what, like, wait, hold on,
hold on, say that again.

Speaker 8 (01:59:01):
I swear I misheard you, and they say it again,
like a flat out blatant lie about me, and I'm
just like, yeah, it triggered it in me, like I
that's the spiral. Like I like, I was never fired
or you know, written up or anything like that, but
it was still just like like this spiral in my guts,
recognizing that the people around you are puranhas and they

(01:59:23):
would eat you alive to keep their job, knowing they
screwed up, but they'd rather dump it on you instead.
And if you weren't part of that cabal with corporate
America can kiss off into the air as far as
I'm concerned. And that's part of what radicalized me and
actually spawned my dark Knight of the Soul or one
of them anyway, that so bity.

Speaker 1 (01:59:46):
It happened. This said, it happens that way, you know,
you do, you get people, you know, and like the
company I was with, you know, it was like, well,
we're a family. We're a family. They're always throwing at
you know, monoclear out there like that, and like I said,
and then after that happened, he, you know, the president stuff,
won't even shake my hand for a long time too.

(02:00:07):
I actually made him one day in front of everybody.
Just walked up there and the guy, the big guy
like six eight, like three hundred pounds. I just walked
straight up to him and stepped my hand there and
made him shake my hand in front of guy and everybody.

Speaker 4 (02:00:17):
But like.

Speaker 1 (02:00:20):
It was, it was one of the things like you know, yeah,
and then they turned around and though they put me
another plant, they set me down, the put me to
a level down. And then the guy was about to retire.
Well you're gonna have to step back up. I was like,
I said, I'll be gone before he is. Don't worry
about me. They want me to step back up and

(02:00:41):
take back the responsibility. I'm like like no, yeah, yeah,
barked that bridge. It's over.

Speaker 8 (02:00:47):
No, thank you, double no, thank you. And also also
stuff it and never call me again. Yeah, I mean
there's yeah, there's I got some names still stuck in
my head of individuals that I will never forget, and
not in a good way. And it's like, okay, all.

Speaker 3 (02:01:05):
Right, I've adopted the mantra I forgive, but I will
not forget absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:01:11):
One percent, absolutely absolutely uh and only just a whole
other add pop on superheroes. I think, you know, we
all superheroes and stuff just on a whole different tangent.
You know. It's always, you know, especially now, everybody almost

(02:01:33):
soul superpowered, overpowered and everything. It's like I kind of
one my favorites. I mean, I like a bunch of them.
But and I'm you know, grew up watching shows and
stuff like that, but I kind of the punishers, the
one has always stuck in my head, like, you know,
if truly he's the one that really you could see
it happening. You know, it's just you know, one bad

(02:01:55):
day situation happening. You know, something happened, and you know
his family killed, and he snaps and goes, I'm gonna
stop them all, you know, and being and that could
happen to somebody, That really could happen to somebody. I mean,
I don't know if he could get through and do
all he did, you know, of course, but you know,
take out as many people. It's possible. But you know,

(02:02:20):
just that the Punisher, you know, it kind of reminds
me of watching the Netflix series and with their Double
Punisher and stuff, you know, and uh and Punishing said
that the dere Bill, he said, You're one bad day.
I think so much that kind of paraphrase. He's like,
you're one bad day from you know, being me. You know,
it's and we all are. We are one few bad

(02:02:41):
day from being you know, having that switch flip and
going that's.

Speaker 3 (02:02:46):
That's so that mo. Yeah, falling down with Michael Douglas.
You got to see that movie Gun. Yeah, yeah, one
bad day, One bad day from breakfast. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:02:57):
Absolutely, Like I just that just kind of recircled into
my my my zeit guy, my personal zychust recently, and
I went back and watched a bunch of that and
was like, oh, dear god. I didn't understand it then,
but I kind of understand it now. I'm not saying
anybody should do violence is not good.

Speaker 3 (02:03:15):
Don't do it.

Speaker 8 (02:03:16):
There's different ways to get back at the man, Okay,
there are other ways. And again here I am doing
my bestest part of it. And I appreciate all you
guys here with me recognizing the things we're saying. Also
without saying Ricky fire stuff is always what else you got,
go right, head, sir Ah.

Speaker 1 (02:03:34):
That's it. I just really wanted to, you know, I
was sitting there thinking about, you know, there's you know,
you know, you're talking about the origin stories and you know,
just you know, being you know, with everything, and just
to me in a blend in my head, it was just,
you know, maybe I could tell a little bit about
story and maybe you know, I can help somebody, you know, uh,

(02:03:56):
motivate them to keep all. You know, I've lost a
bunch of loved ones and friends over to pass for
different situations, you know, and because they didn't because they
lost hope. And just whenever I can with it, something
like that comes up, I want to, you know, I
you know, I've been I've been to the bottom. I

(02:04:17):
went all the way down and you know, I've been
to the bottom of the bottle even you know, and
it was a functioning alcoholic at one point, but I
haven't touched it about fifteen years so you can overcome anything.
You really are you really focus, I'll be used. Uh yeah,
I'll be drinking on the way to work. They going

(02:04:38):
to work at three o'clock, mooring and drink. The bottom's
just absolutely functioning alcoholic. I could drink a leader and
go to work the next morning. You know. It was
just ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (02:04:50):
But I do not recommend that.

Speaker 1 (02:04:54):
I don't recommend it either. It costs a lot of
money and uh and and could cost your life. You know.
So there's a bunch of situations by I shouldn't be here.
You know. I got a lucky, uh quick fun story.
I remember. I I was uh told we run out
of time.

Speaker 4 (02:05:13):
I went.

Speaker 1 (02:05:14):
I was heading home one day and then I ran
into some friends of mine and I parked my truck
sideways a brother's highway and talking to her to my
friends and uh and the officer came up from behind
me and uh and and pulled over it. And I
was dead and the right so like I was done,
Like I was going to jail.

Speaker 4 (02:05:34):
Do you.

Speaker 1 (02:05:36):
No doubt? And I knew the officer the only things
saved me, he said, Ricky, what are you doing? I
was talking to my friends, he said, go home, Ricky.
He says the curse words three. But I'm not a
personal here, you know, but he said go home, Ricky,
and I was like, yes, sir, and I turned and
I went home. And you know, it was just one
of them kind of I awakening moments and I'm like, man,

(02:05:56):
but I could have he should have. He should have
thrown me on the right, you know, he should have
because I was just three sheets of land there and uh,
just crazy. But but yeah, just anybody listening, you know,
or listeners later, you know, just stay positive. You know
you need help, get help. We're you know, especially if

(02:06:18):
you're part of a family and you reach out to
one of us a little healthy as always. Ah, think
it'll get better, and it'll get better. Keep on keeping
on a man.

Speaker 8 (02:06:30):
If you guys are in part of the discord, please
join the discord. It's a good time to plug that.
And it's not look it's not. It is one, you know,
sort of let's build the group obviously, but secondary and
equal actually is that this is the type of stuff
that people need. Sometimes you need a support system that's
not there. We built that, and you know, luckily you

(02:06:51):
all came along just kind of chattering into the digital darkness.
Here we are, so so join the discord. Come say hi.
There is a massive support system there and of great
people that don't they aren't judgmental. That's not what this is.
That's not what this has ever been. It's not telling
people they're wrong. It's just hey, I understand, let's talk
about it. Let's get you through this and get your

(02:07:13):
point in the right direction. So come say hi, Come,
come meet the amazing people. Ricky of course paramount and included.
And as part of this, he's on here on discord
with us troublebinds dot org. Click the discord link. Come
say hi, Come meet these amazing folks and Ricky amazing stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:07:28):
You're the best. Thanks for sharing your origin story and
we'll talk to you soon. You have a great night, okay, sir,
appreciate you, Sure, no, I appreciate you. You're the best.

Speaker 8 (02:07:38):
You know me, all of them. That's Ricky of the
Anything as Possible podcasts. You know where to find him
Troubleminds dot org. Ford Size Friends. Scroll down just a
little bit and it says follow Ricky alphabetically right there
there you go in the middle on as I scrolled
down the middle of kind of above my head there.
Please go follow him go again. He does live streams
on Wednesday nights talking about all manner of things with

(02:07:59):
Jamie and Dave.

Speaker 3 (02:08:00):
I didn't forget their name. Just time.

Speaker 8 (02:08:02):
Very smart guys and very smart conversations. Help our friends.
Let's let's do this together, James, anything to add to that.
We got about a minute or so left. If you
want to chime in on anything there. We got some
calls to get to you after the break, but I
want to get chan because you've been quiet for a
long time.

Speaker 3 (02:08:16):
If you've got anything, Dad, go Aheadzer.

Speaker 7 (02:08:19):
No problem, just a couple of things. This probably goes
goes without saying, but Derek, what you were talking about earlier,
getting together and talking sometime. I'm there for it, no problem,
and great call and great call from Ricky and from everyone.
And yeah, it's just I think that was it. But

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just great to great calls from everyone and looking forward
to the rest.

Speaker 3 (02:08:43):
You were the man.

Speaker 8 (02:08:44):
You know you love him, James Salcito Salcito paranormal dot com.
Check out that sexy website. Lots of good stuff going
on over there, and what do you guys know about it?
We're talking again. The origin story is something that's incredibly
important to me because I talk about identity a lot,
as you know, identity self. Why though, as I keep saying,

(02:09:04):
I recognize this is what the war is for in
twenty twenty five. It is for our identity. It is
for defining you. So who gets to define you? Of
course you, that's the obvious answer. But what's happening is
not that at all. We got some calls coming up,
but thanks for being patient. Guys at seven oh two nine,

(02:09:26):
seven and one zero three seven click the discord link
at troubleminds dot org.

Speaker 3 (02:09:30):
This is trouble Minds. I'm Michael Strange. Be right back
more after the break. Welcome back to Troubled Minds, all

(02:10:04):
the things, all the places, troubleminds dot org. Tonight we're
talking the origin story collapse in creation. Now.

Speaker 8 (02:10:10):
Like I said, we've talked about this in the past
a little bit. However, there's an origin story to you
becoming a massive weirdo, to you recognizing the world as
not as it seems, and to you, as much as
I love you out there here hanging out with us
by dark of night, talking about wild ideas, there's a

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lot of things in play here, and there's something that
radicalized you in that capacity.

Speaker 3 (02:10:36):
Think about it? What does that mean? What does it
look like? And well, why is this a recurring theme?

Speaker 8 (02:10:43):
At least in my mind? Apparently I'm not the only one.
Thanks to all the people out there listening, you guys
are the best. Love to hear your thoughts on this.
How weird does it get? And what do you know
about it? Seven oh two nine seven one zero three
seven Click to discord link of Troubleminds dot Org. Kelly
and Colorado.

Speaker 3 (02:10:57):
What's up, my man? You're on Troubled Minds. Thanks for
being patient? How are you?

Speaker 4 (02:11:00):
Sir?

Speaker 8 (02:11:00):
Go right ahead and tell me about the audio on
the thing? Did I fix it or is it still broken?
Welcome to the joint.

Speaker 4 (02:11:06):
Brother, Good evening, Michael, I know a pretty good.

Speaker 3 (02:11:11):
How are you slowing me down as usual? Yeah?

Speaker 21 (02:11:13):
That puff put I'm bad man. Good show tonight, But
yeah you can't. You fixed it. So it was good
to go out first. When he first when Ricky first started,
I couldn't hear him so, but yeah he fixed it
A big audio is good?

Speaker 8 (02:11:26):
Okay, perfect, and you guys can hear him on discord.
Pretty please let me know. I think everything should be good.
So thank you for much like I said, the perfect
thank you James. If you guys, if you don't, if
you don't point it out, I can't fix it. So
thank you for that. Welcome to the joint origin story
collapse in creation what you got?

Speaker 21 (02:11:40):
Go ahead, sir, So I wanted to kind of touch
on both those collapse and let's go with that one first, right,
so they before I go into my origin story. But
for me, you know, I kind of look at, like,
you know, how a lot of it. There's been a

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lot of sayings and a lot of people like you know,
it has been you know, this has been talked about,
like they say that creation comes from destruction, right, the
work where you have to have something to shine, and
then you know you have all these worker bees and
then you know you've got creation again. But sometimes I
look at that and I don't. I just kind of disagree.

(02:12:22):
I mean, I agree to a point to where like
something first started, right, you got to have some kind
of like they say, for instance, I don't believe in it,
but let's say, for instance, like the Big Bang, the
Big Bang theory, right, and then you have an explosion
and then you have all the teining of life everywhere. Right,
But for me I believe okay, so for that reason,

(02:12:44):
you know, I kind of look at it as you
know that you of course you got to have there
was an explosion and then the whole thing a team
of life.

Speaker 7 (02:12:50):
Right.

Speaker 21 (02:12:52):
But why does it always have to repeat itself?

Speaker 4 (02:12:54):
You know?

Speaker 21 (02:12:55):
People say it's you know, you always there's this theory
that's around it. You know, everything has there. You know,
it's life and death cycle, right, But it's not really
a death. It's just you know, maybe it's just a hibernate.
It doesn't really die, It just hibernates. It goes away
for a while and until you know, a turn happens,

(02:13:16):
and then life it comes back again. Because the whole
point in life isn't it to always you know, to
get to a higher Let's say for us, you know,
human you know, and our subconscious we believe that, you know,
to get to a higher dimension, your higher dimensional self.
You know, if you're going through these lessons of you
know whatever for your own you know, your own your

(02:13:39):
own travels, you know what I mean of your life,
whether it be here or anywhere else. But if you're
looking at that. For me, I look at it as
like why, there's always got to be there's got to
be something to the effect that's either involving that and
wants that cycle repeated or you know what I mean,
that's where you get the good bad or I guess

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you know what I mean, because to me, there's got
to be an outside influence that wants that. You know,
that's where you know, some people think we're stuck in
this dimension or this prison planet, you know where it's
cycles like that, But the whole point of life for me,
you know that. That's what I was saying earlier that
you know what I mean, We're trying to get to

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a certain point, you know what I mean. It doesn't
mean that we have to recycle back to this one,
but there'sn't Maybe you have to learn a lesson in
another dimension or another life cycle somewhere else, you know
what I mean, after you're done with this one. It
doesn't mean that you always have to come back here.
But I just want to kind of touch on that
one because I don't believe you have to have destruction

(02:14:43):
to get back to life. You know what I mean?
Life is what it is is supposed to you know,
it's second evolved, you know, I guess it's second involvement.
You know, you were still supposed to evolve to a
higher a higher you know, to the light. You know,
for us, I guess it would be the fourth or
fifth dimension, you know what I mean, where we no
longer need this meat suit and all the weird difficulties

(02:15:05):
that people are going through where you know what I mean,
it's not the people, it's help per se, but it's
the like again you know, something and outside influence that's
causing all this pain and hurt and destruction where you
know it's no, it's really not needed, you know what
I mean. I don't understand where people think that it's uh,
you have to have a cycle like that to have

(02:15:26):
birth again when she once it's already birth is supposed
to grow and you know keep you know, you're again
you're supposed to We're supposed to go to a higher,
a higher dimensional self. That's how I see it as, Yeah,
that makes me want to go you know, if you
want to go on some of that before I go
into my to.

Speaker 3 (02:15:44):
My definitely just real quick.

Speaker 8 (02:15:46):
So so the story, so I'm planning this of course
collapse in creation.

Speaker 3 (02:15:50):
And so this is this is the old ways.

Speaker 8 (02:15:52):
And I do wonder if you're you're spot on about this,
and this is maybe the evolution of metaphysics, the evolution
of the soul as describing must you collapse to create?

Speaker 1 (02:16:03):
What if you.

Speaker 8 (02:16:03):
Create and then create and then create and then create.
It's sort of like the uh you know, the cocoon.

Speaker 3 (02:16:09):
And the uh you know, the caterpillar and the the
uh the caterpillar in the buffalo. No, the caterpillar and
the butterfly is buffalo. Almost rolled off my tongue like that.

Speaker 8 (02:16:19):
But in that in that capacity, like it doesn't have
to destroy anything. It just means that you move from
one aspect to the next without destruction at all. It's
what you were is no longer what you are, but
what you are becoming and have become is also recognition
of what might come after that too. I mean, I'm
with you, I'm with you. I think that's beautiful and

(02:16:40):
I think that's exactly the point of these conversations on
your spot on.

Speaker 3 (02:16:43):
What else you got? Go ahead?

Speaker 21 (02:16:44):
Yeah, damn, And it's just you know, it's it's growth,
you know what I mean, Yes, you're going to go
through some tribals and tribulations. That's just life, but like
a total destruction or you know what, we've a lot
some people call it, you know in some in some circles,
like a reset.

Speaker 7 (02:17:00):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 21 (02:17:00):
It's just not there's something.

Speaker 3 (02:17:03):
Else that's there.

Speaker 21 (02:17:04):
But yeah, for me, I'd like to just briefly get
into my like my creation story. So it happened to
me when I was a little bit younger, right, so
I would say maybe twelve years old. You know, I
told about this story about I don't know if people
you know, I just wanted to come and represent it

(02:17:25):
again because I know people who've been around has heard
this story before. But for me, it was like for
my whole life, I don't know it was you know,
I always had I wouldn't say visions, but they would.
I always seen themes that were a little abnormal. I
don't know, it was part of my life like that.

(02:17:47):
But then I had a near death experience, right and
after that, that's when I it was something you know,
very profound for me, you know what I mean, because
it wasn't like I know how I know I had died,
but it wasn't anything like biblical like anything that, you
know what I mean, None of that and even made
sense anymore after I died. You know, none of that

(02:18:10):
was like because what I seen was like outer space,
you know what I mean. It was like the universe,
you know, like all of life. It wasn't just like
a light you know, where you want, and people said,
go to the light and hear family members and whatnot.
I don't know what other people have seen when they died,
but I'd never seen anything like that, you know. I mean,

(02:18:32):
I'd never felt anything like that. There was nothing like that.
It was just me in the universe, you know. It
was all It was like one us and everything, you know.
And then when I came back, you know, I told
my I hadn't never really told anybody about that, you know,
I told maybe like three people. And then this is

(02:18:54):
probably when I was in a navy right and had
my brother had come down and you know, him and
his wife was on They stopped by and you know,
we was out sungazing out by the beach, and I
told him the story and he goes, you know what,
I remember that he goes and he added to it,
which is actually blew my mind because it's just you know,
he told me this just probably I don't know, probably

(02:19:17):
about maybe ten years ago, I think. But he was
telling me like after I told him that story and
what I seen and how I came back to my
body and I was back, you know, into the bathroom
where I died, and I kicked myself up to the
wall and kind of just onto another wall, and I
was like tripping out, you know. But I guess he

(02:19:38):
told me after I did that, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:19:40):
He goes.

Speaker 21 (02:19:41):
I remember he was in there for a while because
I was kind of sick, you know, And I came
back out, and he said that I laid down on
my bed because we shared a room where our beds
went off the side of the rooms. He said, I
stood up and in the middle of the between our beds,
I started in my arm lift my arms about shoulder
length and and I started slowly spinning, and then I

(02:20:02):
just gradually faster and faster. But then he said, that's
when I tilt my head back and like looking up
at the ceiling, and I started He goes, either started
seeing saying some language I have never heard of my life.
He goes. It was just freaking me out, he goes,
And then he sponsored you're spinning so fast. He landed
on my bed and I goes, and then I he goes.
Then I kicked you off my bed, you know, because

(02:20:25):
he was.

Speaker 4 (02:20:25):
Freaking out, you know, so should.

Speaker 21 (02:20:31):
Well you know, like when I heard that, and I
was like, so I sent him everything that you know
that I I've been researching for years, you know, and
so after that, it's been about forty years, you know
what I mean, close to forty years of going down
these tubes and these tunnels, you know what I mean,
and about alien life, something that's beyond what we have

(02:20:53):
or even like I've even like that was that was
you know, like at that age, at twelve, you know,
and then everything started happening after that. That's where most
of my life, but throughout my life I started seeing UFOs.
I had you know, the encounters, not really seeing them,
but like they let me know that their presence was there,

(02:21:14):
and it was like the last time I had that
was was you know, that presence anyway was probably like
my last deployment because when I was in the Navy,
it seemed to like slow down considerably because I was
never here, you know, I was well, I was out

(02:21:35):
at see you know, I was I did three triple
back to deployments where so it was more like three
years at sea.

Speaker 12 (02:21:41):
You know.

Speaker 21 (02:21:42):
So when I came back, it was like, I don't know,
it was kind of like they you know, something greeted
me back, this presence, whatever it was.

Speaker 22 (02:21:52):
But that's interesting, as if the military kind of shooted
away with all the I know, you're on ships and whatnot,
I go, with all of its surveillance and stuff, you know,
kind of kept it away from you or something.

Speaker 3 (02:22:03):
I don't know. I think there's a.

Speaker 8 (02:22:05):
Whole thread there that we could get kind of get into.
I'm making a note of that. That's interesting.

Speaker 14 (02:22:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (02:22:10):
Yeah, So after that time, you know, I came back
and that's what happened, you know, coming back from from
the East coast. You know, I've seen things and they've
always been different, you know, there are always different shapes
and sizes. That's the thing about it. You know, I've
been with people. You know, we've had this conversation, but
I've been with people. You know, it's not always alone,

(02:22:32):
you know that I've always you know, when I seen
these things in the sky, you know, I mean i
mean I'm talking literally like one was like it looked
like a falling star. I mean, like, for instance, me
and my buddy was was, you know, were outside having
a beard and like a cigarette. You know, they had
came over. But from more in my house was that
it was kind of like set up on a heel.
So you see all the low green neighborhoods and we've

(02:22:53):
seen this, you know, it looked like a falling star, right,
a shooting star. But you know, so I was like, oh, look,
so we're just there, you know, we're talking. We're sitting
there listen, watching it, right, and we're talking, and we're
waiting for this thing to die out. But it doesn't
die out, to just stop. The middle of the sky
kind of like shake something off. Some things like fall

(02:23:14):
off of it, and it started going eastward over the
mountains from where we was positioned at. And I was like,
and that was the time. It was weird because it
was like the time of like it was funny because
my mind, but I was like, let's go, you know,
let's go chase to see what.

Speaker 4 (02:23:29):
This thing is.

Speaker 21 (02:23:30):
And he was like, no, man, fire and a sky
fire and a sky you know to that. It was
like around the time when that movie was out. Yeah, man,
I've it's it's been. I wouldn't say like okay, So
for instance, you know when I've been on all kinds
of radio stations. You know, I've been when they first
started or when they first kind of like with you

(02:23:52):
and Frank, you know, when you guys first around. You know,
I was always looking for it because your show was
called The Little Green Men. So that's why I was.
I was coming around because I hunt down things like that.
You know, I want to hear the conversations with different people,
and you know that their encounters and what they hear,
you know what I mean, I've never that's the thing,

(02:24:13):
like it seems like there's a lot of the saying,
but not not all the time when people have these encounters,
you know, what they whatever they you know, with their
experiencing mind was a little different, you know. I mean
it's the same but yet different, you know what I mean.
It's I don't know how to explain really that foot
the things when you know, so again, you know I

(02:24:37):
would I've been searching this. I've been on this this
mission for a very long time, you know, part mostly
most of my life, you know, after this that happened,
so you know, I that's the thing I've been out,
you know, looking for you know, and when I see
some of that stuff, it's like I've been searching for it,
you know what I mean. I've been wanting to see

(02:24:58):
it again with my own like instead of like being
asleep or unconscious or subconscious, I want to see it
now with like physically, you know, in.

Speaker 3 (02:25:09):
Front of me now, and you know, yeah, find out
find out how to return to that.

Speaker 21 (02:25:14):
Go ahead and go ahead, I'm sorry, yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:25:15):
Just find out how to return to it. So if
you guys aren't familiar, go check out that. The scene
from to Two Towers where Gandalf fights the bow Rog.
We did this years ago, and I described this to
Kelly and he said, yeah, that's exactly exactly kind of it.
When Gandalf defeats the bow Rog and the depths of
the Earth itself and he smote his ruin upon the mountainside,

(02:25:38):
and then Gandalf sort of disappears. He succumbs to the universe,
and time and space become nothing and he's floating free
form into everything. And then, of course spoiler alert for
a very very old book, he's resurrected, just scand off

(02:26:00):
the white But that that moment of that sort of
time and space consideration. Uh, go go check that out
and you'll you'll kind of get an idea of what
Kelly's talking about and the experience he had, that near
death experience when he was very young, and it is
it's wild to me that, uh, that fiction has a
way of describing these things exactly as if maybe Tolkien
had one of those himself that could describe it exactly

(02:26:23):
as you did. Pretty well, stuff, let's wrap it. We
got people to get to and it's late. You're the
best brother at final thought.

Speaker 21 (02:26:30):
Yeah, man, I just wanted to bring that up. But
like for for my final thought, Man, it's for me.
It's just like I said, it's it's it's it's a
mission to see what you know what I mean to
to Uh, I want I want that. I want that
final thing again. And they've been around, They've always been
around this and it's not like it's ever going to

(02:26:51):
go away. It's been you know, my whole life, you
know what I mean. So yeah, that's that would just
I just want to bring up. You know, that was
my mission steaming when I first when I first learned
that something was different besides the whole thing that everything
you know that with society or you know whatever TV
is trying to see this. You know, history is different.

(02:27:12):
That's why I've been going down though. That's why history
is my main thing though. But about him, man A
sall I get let everybody else get in before the movie,
before the shows, and so you're the best.

Speaker 4 (02:27:23):
Have a good night.

Speaker 3 (02:27:23):
Tell michaelle we said hi, and always a pleasure. We'll
talk to you soon and have a great night, all right,
but I have a good one, thank you, sir. You
know me alf Kelly.

Speaker 8 (02:27:32):
He's literally the first guy that called us and called back,
and then he's still calling us years later. I was
lucky enough to meet him and Michelle, and they're beautiful
dog isis here in Las Vegas when they came down,
and very nice people as h as intelligent and considerate
and wonderful as you might expect. Like I said, it's
a it's it's weird for me to cut people off
and stuff because of the radio considerations. But when you

(02:27:53):
meet these people as you would expect I r L
in real life, they are more amazing than you would dream.
Thank you for the call, Kelly, and thanks for bringing
the fam to meet us in Vegas. Always a pleasure
looking forward to that.

Speaker 3 (02:28:08):
Again.

Speaker 8 (02:28:08):
I love to hear your thoughts on this. We're talking
origin stories. What radicalized you. I love this question because
everybody's got one, and maybe people have more than one,
because again dark Knights of the soul as they you know,
kind of happened one after the other.

Speaker 3 (02:28:24):
Maybe there's more to it.

Speaker 8 (02:28:25):
Maybe there's this one and that one and the other one,
and then here we are talking about these wild ideas.
Appreciate you, Kelly. Thanks for the call. Eric in Ohio,
I think you have this. Wait do I have you muted?

Speaker 4 (02:28:40):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:28:40):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry about that. I'm sorry about that.
I have you muted because last time we talked it
was like a So that's my fault. Let's try that again. Eric,
and Ohio, you're on trouble mind. What's your brother? Go
right ahead? Sorry about that.

Speaker 19 (02:28:52):
Oops, Hey, I was just thinking about to suit the
origin of superheroes. Before the origin of superheroes, everybody who
was like a superhero, like in ancient times or touched
by the divinity. You know, you had Jimmy Hurgis, you
had Jimmy gods, you had lesser gods and immediate powers.

Speaker 23 (02:29:14):
You had demons, you.

Speaker 19 (02:29:15):
Had devils, you've had demons, you've had uninds of things.
But the powers that were all to right on the
spiritual world, they had been touched with divinity and some passion.
And the origin of superheroes is like the severance of that,
saying that that external power were determining justice on the

(02:29:37):
world of circumstances, which was kind of the domain of
gods that were once laying down the laws and the
justice were any kind of and that we would be
injustice in the world. And that was kind of sad
when super heroes have been because then that was internal
inside of them and not depended upon many the external.

(02:30:01):
And if you think about it, it was also kind
of like resurrecting a Western apocalyptic tradition, at least in
the sense of gnosticism, because you know, gnosticism was that
labor of Christianity back in ancient times that just didn't
quite baking. It was long simwhet at one point really

(02:30:22):
kind of business about and living up the home of
Christianity took his woods. And narcissism is based on wisdom.
The word it's based on the word nas which is
a Greek word that means wisdom, and so down the
bred any of the ancient Gnostic gospels or anything from.

Speaker 23 (02:30:41):
The Magma library.

Speaker 19 (02:30:42):
But when you read these Nastic gospels, they all sour
like acient self help books. They're very much about how
the power is within you and the decision and this
within you and God, the power of God and Jesus
is with you to look through you and not for
you to be praying for externally receiving some kind of

(02:31:05):
a gift. The way they were structuring their Christianity, and
also like Jesus was like the answer to having autonomy
inside a monotheistic structure. So the idea of having you
being able to determine like you should should be incumbent

(02:31:26):
upon you in gnosticism, for you to be able to
determine the difference between good and people. And that's kind
of what superheroes are, right, they've kind of taken that
Gnostic idea now that the power resides within them and
they do have the power to establish justice in an
andjust world. Also with that great power comes great responsibility,

(02:31:50):
which is what Gnosticism was trying to say, is that the.

Speaker 23 (02:31:53):
Power of God is in you, and now how you.

Speaker 19 (02:31:57):
Use that power in boks of great response ability inside
of you, Like the Gospel of Mary Magdalene.

Speaker 23 (02:32:03):
Had said it best when they would say, hey, who
had eyes you should see, those who have ears should hear. Basically,
you should understand that this power is within you. You
should be using it to adjust purpose. So I was
just thinking of how those origins are very mythic and
older ideas in the sense than what you would suspect

(02:32:26):
being embodied in the side of the superhero genre, and
Superman being the first sort of superhero is very much
he's very much like Achilles, because Achilles was a demi
got He was kind of like that deity sat down
to Earth that was part human and.

Speaker 19 (02:32:47):
Part which is sort of the implication in the last
iteration of the movies of Superman, like that you guys
were talking about earlier, right, And so Achilles was taken
by his mother, who was us, and she dipped him
in the river sticks to make him invulnerable and immortal so.

Speaker 23 (02:33:11):
They couldn't be armed in battle in any way.

Speaker 19 (02:33:13):
And she dipped them into the river stix, which normally
makes people forget all the memberies, like if you're just
a law of a mortal, but for him, it made
him invincible everywhere except where she was holding on to him,
which was by his hill.

Speaker 23 (02:33:26):
He was like a little baby in.

Speaker 3 (02:33:28):
There, but also does real quick on that.

Speaker 8 (02:33:30):
But also he was a baby, so if you if
you wipe like like like a three month old baby's memories,
I mean, you're just kind of starting over anywhere, right,
So it's like almost no ill effects from that. You
just treat him as he's a newborn in three months,
but now he's invincible.

Speaker 3 (02:33:46):
Mine is the heel.

Speaker 23 (02:33:47):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true.

Speaker 19 (02:33:49):
Yeah, he was a little baby, but he had his
Achilles hill, which was like his grippie. Like he was
invulnerable with every sense except for one thing. And it's
kind of an analogist to Superman being involved with everything
mixed up opening and he was like the transitionary unit
through which this ship was taking place between having divinity

(02:34:15):
needing to be a part of the equation to explain
the superpowers that you have or you know, and them
being represent as something that comes from within you for
some reason because of the origin story, whether that's like
mutants and cell division and that sort of thing, the
radiation lab experiment or whatever, and that's not to say

(02:34:37):
that that motive hits everything. I mean, like Marvel has
I think Hercules as the actual Olympian demi god as
one of the characters, and they have deities and things
like that, but oftentimes those deities that aren't strictly defined
like they used to be in ancient times. But definitely

(02:34:57):
the idea of the superhero genres making that idea of justice,
whether it's Daredevil or punish Er Superman and having power
to affect the outside the world like you were talking about,
and falling down of Midael Douglas and being able to
establish some sort of you know, justice with the power

(02:35:18):
that you have beside of you and realizing that you
can do that, you have to also make through the
right choice because you.

Speaker 8 (02:35:25):
Have that power exactly, which is so think of it
this way too, that that's a great way to put it,
Like could Michael Strange, you know, go Schizzo and falling
down style with his is a an announcement of society, Yeah,
of course, of course, of course, but is it the

(02:35:46):
right thing to do?

Speaker 3 (02:35:46):
Of course not, of course, not that becomes a question.

Speaker 19 (02:35:49):
Michael Strange couldn't. But if there's a breakdown in your
cognitive functions. I mean, I think those kind of things
are dedicated on on that is that there's a breakdown
in personality of the person, that society finally cracks the
individual and they succumb to whatever.

Speaker 23 (02:36:07):
It's kind of how I read that movie.

Speaker 19 (02:36:09):
You know, more than the idea that you intrinsically have
the ability to establish some sort of fairness and justice
in the world at march like a superhero.

Speaker 8 (02:36:19):
Yeah, Like creating your own vigilante justice is a yeah, no,
no no, but bad bad, don't don't don't even consider it.

Speaker 3 (02:36:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:36:29):
I was just saying that, like those options are available,
and you see them playing out of the world around
us unfortunately, and those are people that just need a
little help, you know, like think about like your darkest thought,
in your darkest moment, and when somebody did something kind
for you that brought you out of it or whatever
it was, whatever moment it was, that kind of maybe
you brought yourself out of it, whatever that was. I
think those are the things that make troubled minds go.

(02:36:52):
And like I said, troubled minds is a term that
has long been used to describe mentally ill people, but
also go look up the term yourself. There are multiple
meanings of that, and it means exactly like you would
expect as well, somebody considering a lot of wild ideas
and with a troubled mind as a result. And I

(02:37:12):
didn't quote that verbatim, but go look it up. You'll
see there's there's other versions of this. We're taking back
the term troubled minds still in twenty twenty five, regardless
of what they tell us.

Speaker 3 (02:37:21):
We are what else you got? So go ahead.

Speaker 23 (02:37:25):
Well that's truly all I wanted to say about superheroes.

Speaker 8 (02:37:30):
Yep, fair enough. I appreciate you very much, thanks for
staying up lay with us. I know you're out there
on the Easter Irish coast and always a pleasure. I
appreciate the call, and you have a great night. You're
the best.

Speaker 3 (02:37:41):
You know you love him. That's a Eric Eric in Ohio,
the official weirdo trouble Minds.

Speaker 8 (02:37:49):
I don't know, well, we'll get back to that at
some point. He's the best. Go give him a follow
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our friends and go support each other. That's that's exactly
the point of this, of doing this live like I do.

(02:38:11):
Like I said, all the imperfections of this show are
for the explicit reason of meeting people and talking about
things in an imperfect format.

Speaker 3 (02:38:21):
Welcome to the joint.

Speaker 8 (02:38:23):
Seven two nine one zero three seven click the discord
link of Trouble Minds Dog. Let's go to Jenni Missouri.
What's going on the arcane observer? Welcome to the Joints.
It is all yours. What's on your mind?

Speaker 3 (02:38:34):
My friend?

Speaker 7 (02:38:35):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (02:38:35):
How's found? Fine?

Speaker 3 (02:38:37):
Yep, you sound great? Good?

Speaker 1 (02:38:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (02:38:39):
I mean the origin stories for individuals is very difficult.
I think that many times over, what would seem like
it would be the origin story is not significant enough.
It does shape the individual I got in my account.
You know, my father was murdered when I was three

(02:39:01):
years old. He was shot and killed when I was
three years old. It sounds difficult to believe it's true,
and I was just three years old, so I don't
have a recollection of it, but I remember all of
the things that happened around it, and you know that
you would think that would shape.

Speaker 24 (02:39:19):
A great deal. It does. I believe it could.

Speaker 12 (02:39:22):
But as far as how does it draw you into,
you know, the interest of this topic, at this topic,
but the idea of thinking about things in the world
this way, in a way it seems like it it does.
I suppose I think that at a young age, you know,

(02:39:44):
I was susceptible to.

Speaker 24 (02:39:47):
Night pears.

Speaker 12 (02:39:48):
I began to you know, night terrors being you know,
that's what I've defined them as. I mean, personally, I
have to find them myself that way that you know,
I would have these recurring dreams and things like that,
but there were things that were beyond that. It seemed
to kind of open up. It's as if trauma of

(02:40:09):
any kind that it does open up the realm of
the mind to perhaps I don't know, the belief system
or the acceptable belief system, it's tolerable to the mind
that these other things exist. And it's interesting because when
you look at religious belief systems, or you look at
any kind of ritualistic systems, that they are all connected

(02:40:33):
with that life is full of trauma. And in the
modern world, it's acceptable to think that you should be
in a comfort zone even though that is not for
you know that there's no rules that say that that
is how it should be, that you should be in
a comfort zone. And I think humans are designed to

(02:40:54):
be able to tolerate and adapt very well to any circumstances,
and a reaction to that, you know, it defines eventually
who they will become, I suppose, to some extent, depending
on how they handle the experiences that they encounter and

(02:41:15):
what they are made of. It's truly a testing of
some kind. I think there's something like that involved. And
it's beyond just human experience. It goes beyond that, because
it surpasses the human experience. It goes beyond just your I.
It goes on and on and on, and whether it's

(02:41:37):
any anything that you share with any other human being,
or whether you share it at all, it's still observed
by the unseen realm. It's clear that the world is
being ruled by something that is a higher intelligence, and
we can call it where we want to.

Speaker 24 (02:41:55):
We could say that it's just nature.

Speaker 12 (02:41:56):
We could say that it has a name, we can
define it and some regard, but we are all coming
and going into it. However that happens, and then the
interaction we have with it on a regular basis is
something that's left off to the side because we have
society that we are dealing with the man made world,

(02:42:19):
and so we are trying to cope with that. And
as the time goes on, as we are existing in societies,
now there is no option but to exist in society.
So there is no I mean, you can have individualization,
but it has to be with intolerance of the system,
and we're good or for ill, but that is the

(02:42:40):
design that is set up.

Speaker 24 (02:42:44):
When I was very young, I.

Speaker 12 (02:42:46):
Began to have like what I was talking about, and
I'm talking about five six years old, so there's no
sort of way to regulate exactly what I thought that
I was witnessing or seeing. But with the things that
I was saying, I thought that I was you know what.

(02:43:06):
Later at the time, I didn't have much to relate
it to. And as time went on and I heard
other stories, you know, I began to kind of draw
correlation that I thought there was an unseen realm, and
I began to research that. This was before you know,
it was very prevalent they had these podcasts or anything

(02:43:29):
of the kind. There was electual that available. I mean,
internet wasn't quite what it is now, not at all,
and so it was mostly independent. So I read a
lot of books and I took up a lot of
personal experience where I would attempt very seriously to make
contact with that realm and every way that I could,

(02:43:54):
and through that many times it resulted in absolutely nothing.
And the occasion, on some s your occasions, it was undeniable,
And I was fairly skeptical to some extent. I've always
been pretty pragmatic. But there were things that you know,
but I was in my youth, I was you know,

(02:44:14):
it was early on in my early twenties, so it
was it was pretty pronounced, and there were things that
that I saw that I heard that made me believe
there was much more to it. And then a great
deal of research, but all in those books and all
in those stories, and all in and even personal experience,

(02:44:36):
that was all that. I think, the personal experience is
all that really mattered to me in the end, and
the personal experience of myself.

Speaker 24 (02:44:45):
And then that's one of my dogs. He's he's just
a people public.

Speaker 3 (02:44:54):
Keeping the space safe. That's what they do.

Speaker 24 (02:44:56):
Yeah, yeah, he's doing his thing. But you know, it's
I don't know I one second.

Speaker 8 (02:45:03):
Yeah, no problem, Yeah, lots of things to play here.
And again think about that too. In some of this
happens even pre memory, or is sort of in the
formative memory space that we can't even describe, and it
sticks with us forever. And that's wild to think about.
Maybe things you never considered brought you here tonight, and
here you are tonight. Shout out to the beagle out there.

Speaker 24 (02:45:25):
You know, I really took it very seriously though.

Speaker 12 (02:45:29):
I also was raised in a fairly religious household, so
there was a lot of traditionalism, a lot of code
of conduct in every way, and you know, there was
all these things that were at work in the makeup
of you know, the way that my mind thought about everyching,

(02:45:50):
and I was just you know, taking it all in.
But as time went on, and I eventually, you know,
I'm talking about now, I'm back to my youth as
far as I you know, before I was out of
school or anything of the kind. But even at that
point I was still fairly cautious. It wasn't until I
had kind of went off on my own that I

(02:46:11):
really began to try to explore these things. And I
only did that for about i'd say like seven years
or something like that. It was where I was really
open to, you know, seances and things like that, trying
to communicate directly with the dead. And I encountered a
lot of things I lived down in at the time

(02:46:31):
I was going through some of this.

Speaker 24 (02:46:33):
I lived in the very deep.

Speaker 12 (02:46:38):
Southeast Texas border, and I encountered a lot of things
there at a very young age that were religious in
a way, but it was something beyond religion. There was
like a lot of things that were going on that
were I influenced my psyche a lot about the way
that I interpreted the Christianity that I was growing up with,

(02:47:00):
so all of that kind of blended together. I took
all of that into account, and you know that young
people are like a sponge, and you know, I went
on like that, and as time went on there there
was so many questions and just following all that, and
sometimes I became a nonconformist to society, and so I

(02:47:20):
just kind of tried to do whenever I could exactly
what I wanted to do. And in doing that, I
came across a lot of things that I probably wouldn't
have had the occasion to come across, I don't think.
And then I just kept continuing to research and be
interested in it, and I believed in it because I

(02:47:40):
knew there was something to it. There was something, you know,
significant in some accounts, and I even began to think
that I could tell the difference. But all in all,
I just followed that, and I kept following it and
following it until eventually, actually, I've led to a path
now where my life has no thing to do with

(02:48:00):
any of that. But I still like to revisit it
and talk about these things often because it spent a
great deal of time fascinated with it, and not I
believed in it, but I mean I still to this
day I have no doubts about a lot of things
because I saw it myself, and that's.

Speaker 8 (02:48:22):
Hard to refute when you see things yourself, which is
exactly the point. The old point of this is like, hey,
look what have you seen?

Speaker 3 (02:48:29):
How weird is it? Let's talk about it.

Speaker 8 (02:48:31):
And again, so I love the origin story, not that
the tragedy that's horrific.

Speaker 3 (02:48:36):
I'm sorry to hear that. Regarding that.

Speaker 8 (02:48:38):
Beyond how you sort of delved into the books and
pre sort of pre or infancy of the Internet. I
was kind of in that space too, of like, okay,
so all of this stuff like we learned from TV,
we learned from Grandpa telling us stories or whatever it is. Right,
then eventually the Internet comes and then we're like, well,
what do we do with this?

Speaker 3 (02:48:58):
And here we are?

Speaker 12 (02:49:00):
Was late, Like for me, the Internet was way beyond
past where like I mean, the Internet was existing and
everything it was going on, but it wasn't so prevalent
as it is at all, you know, so like at
the you know, at the time that I was living,
like you know, I mean, it just it's the air.
Time is changing so fast, I should say that, but

(02:49:22):
significantly the experiences that I had young, and it could
have been spurred from I guess the trauma I was three,
so you know, that was not something that's not something
that's it's subconscious. I remember when I was seventeen and
I was living up in Montana at the time, and

(02:49:45):
I went to go look out for a psychic. I
was looking for this psychic that was talking at the
holiday and I remember I drove my car out there
and everything, and I wound up going there and it
turned out my car.

Speaker 24 (02:50:00):
Broke down on the way there.

Speaker 12 (02:50:01):
But I managed to get there, and then she began
to get I was skeptical, but obviously not enough not
to do it. So I went and I remember that
what she was saying, because I didn't even pay the ticket,
and I said, that's when I sit back and hang
back in the back and.

Speaker 24 (02:50:20):
Just kind of watch.

Speaker 12 (02:50:21):
But she did call me out eventually, and she mentioned
some things that were extremely personal, and I don't know
if it was for show or not, but it was
fairly accurate and it was bizarre. And I left there
with a completely different perspective. And I just kept on
chasing that over and over again for years and just
trying to, I think, trying to get back to you know,

(02:50:44):
trying to understand that maybe it would answer some things.
You know, kids are oftentimes I'm not sure who they
are to begin with, but it helps a lot if
they think that they are not they don't have a
clear picture of they're past, if they think they can
piece it together. And I was chasing that, of course.
But in the midst of all of that, you know,

(02:51:04):
I drifted off quite far into a lot of ideas
and I was not afraid of taking risks in belief
systems or you know, anything of the kind, because.

Speaker 24 (02:51:18):
I'd seen such varied belief.

Speaker 12 (02:51:20):
Systems prior to that that, you know, maybe you'll find
something there, maybe you'll find something there, and kind of
searching it a very dangerous place to be. But I
made my way through it, and I found a lot
of things were very interesting, and I remained distant, and
I took a lot of the information in and I
was able to, you know, just kind of make something
for myself of what I thought of things.

Speaker 2 (02:51:40):
And it was.

Speaker 12 (02:51:41):
Best for me anyway, to sort of take all of
that and process it. And eventually over time the paranormal itself.
I believe that it exists, and there is a great
deal of detail to it, all the historical research, and
when I was going through school and everything, I was
fascinated by it, and I read a lot about it,

(02:52:01):
to such an extent that I began to think that
I couldn't find anything new to be said about it.

Speaker 24 (02:52:09):
And he began listening for the personal stories, and.

Speaker 12 (02:52:16):
Well, just like you know, wanting to hear personal accounts
and things that people have to say for their own experiences.
And I had had, you know, you know, some experiences,
but nothing to the kind of what I came across
eventually from listening to people's stories and things like that,
and then eventually, you know, yeah, I have left it

(02:52:37):
behind to some extent, but I keep coming back here
all the time to talk about it and listen to
people's ideas and what they have to say. That probably
never change. Yeah for it, I really I really respect
it and honor itt.

Speaker 8 (02:52:50):
Yeah, cooked in, baked in, as I like to say.
And that's exactly the point of this is that I
think these childhood impressions, you know, good, bad and different,
all the rest of that stuff. It's it's still with
us and you know, back to the imaginary friends and
all these things. Like it's one thing, sure, children like
to tell tall tales, but also, by the way, when

(02:53:13):
many children in disparate realities are telling the same tall tales,
it makes you wonder what the hell's actually happening. And
that's why, Well, welcome to Trouble Minds, Fire stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:53:25):
Jed. You were the best exs for staying up late
with us, and I appreciate the call, and.

Speaker 24 (02:53:29):
Yeah, yeah, thank you so much.

Speaker 12 (02:53:32):
You know, like I mean, in that time of dealing
with in the realm that I was in, you know,
I was dealing with sometimes, you know, what I wanted
to believe was or wanted to understand about what was
going on in the underneath the veil, so to speak.
But then I began to realize, you know, especially in
a lot of work I'm working in right now, like

(02:53:54):
that in the waking world of humanity, that that line
is actually it is truly blurred.

Speaker 24 (02:54:02):
And the monsters and the.

Speaker 12 (02:54:05):
Things that we are terrified of they are existing around us,
and they are not There's not a lot of mystery
around them. They're just they're living in secret and in
the realm of humanity a great deal. They are expressed
through the realm of humanity. And so that is another
thing that I think is really important, is that people
need to realize that like the things that they fear,

(02:54:29):
they are all around them, and they are many times again.
And I think that we are protected by that so much,
we're protected from it, shielded from it so much that
people do not realize that the world.

Speaker 24 (02:54:42):
They are living in. They do become under this sort of.

Speaker 12 (02:54:48):
Illusion through Yeah, I guess popular culture and things of
the kind that persuade them to believe the society is correct.
There are a lot of things going on, and there
are a lot of problems in humanity that are unresolved,
and to be cautious about how you encounter them, the
same as you would if you were trying to encounter

(02:55:10):
the realm of the dead, or if you're taking risks
that way. It is risky out in the world today.
In Ready, we associate with each other and there's no
doubt about that. And I really have to say that
because I actually work in the legal system. I'm a
felony clerk for the county that I live in, so

(02:55:31):
I encounter a lot of legal aspects of crime and
criminality and the realization about like the levels of what
is going on with humanity and the whyse the why
does it happen? You know, it's complicated, but I think

(02:55:52):
that at the root of it all, you know, we
are surrounded by it in some regards to different degrees,
and it's just important to keep it in mind.

Speaker 8 (02:56:03):
Evan Well said, can you give me the status update
on your YouTube channel? My apologies, I haven't checked recently.

Speaker 3 (02:56:08):
Is it up?

Speaker 24 (02:56:09):
I don't know if I'll ever get back to that,
you know, meeting.

Speaker 12 (02:56:13):
I have a I have probably twenty videos that I
pulled from it, and I've only left like five or
six up and I do intend to get back to it.

Speaker 3 (02:56:23):
I think no pressure.

Speaker 8 (02:56:25):
I wasn't twisting it. I was asking if we should
plug it or not, because I don't think.

Speaker 12 (02:56:29):
I started my knee job about a year ago and
I've been really absorbed into it and so I haven't
had a time to really get back to a YouTube channel.
But I'm going to.

Speaker 24 (02:56:42):
I do think I will.

Speaker 12 (02:56:44):
I don't know how it's going to, you know, if
it will be different or what. I you know, I
have to see where it goes. But I do hope
to get back to my channel. Thanks Mike for plugging.

Speaker 3 (02:56:54):
Yeah, yeah, I will definitely do that. Thanks for the call.

Speaker 8 (02:56:56):
You have a great night, and we'll talk to this
in your best Jenni mis Aerie the Arcade Observer. Go
check out her YouTube channel again, Troubleminds, dot Hergports I Friends.
Scroll down just a little bit. It is alphabetical and
you will find jen It says follow Jennifer here, and
it's super easy. I wanted to ask because I knew
she hit all her videos at some point. It was
kind of recurating them to do a thing. But Anyway,
there you go. She's got a few videos up. Click

(02:57:18):
the thing, go follow her channel if you have not.
It's free. Have I mentioned it's free? Have I mentioned
it's free. It's a YouTube channel. Go follow Jenfer right
there on the thing, trouble Minds dot Org, Fortsize Friends,
or search the Arkadobserver on YouTube. You'll probably find her there.
And also, by the way, don't forget she's also the
weekend host of Celsito Paranormal, so check out check that
out as well, which is a nice bookend as part

(02:57:39):
of it, James, James, lots of things in play here tonight,
lots of wild ideas flown through as we normally do.
What's your your final thought to wrap us up here?
How you feel, my man?

Speaker 7 (02:57:50):
Just great call from Jen Always glad to hear from her,
Looking forward to whenever she's able to get her amazing
channel going. And and but I definitely recommend check out
whatever's there already. And yeah, it's so grateful they have
her on my show as well the weekends. And yeah,

(02:58:11):
just great cast from everyone, Thank you for having me.
I don't have a lot to say, just it's amazing
how there's so many things that even though we all
have have had obviously different lives, there's still similarities and
we've all still found things that that we've seen it
or heard things that don't fit with with the general

(02:58:33):
idea of what reality is supposed to look like. And
you can take that in all kinds of directions. And
that's part of I think what has brought us all together,
which is amazing. And so yeah, thank you for leaving
me sit in and looking forward to next time.

Speaker 3 (02:58:47):
You're the best. Glad to have you, you know what me
Love him James Salcedo Salcito panormal dot com, the paranormal
expert of Trouble Minds and of course the glue of
the show.

Speaker 8 (02:58:56):
And we were talking about this earlier on. I tease
him from time to time, but it's legit right. If
you read a bunch of things for a very long
time and learn a ton of ideas about let's say,
for instance, metaphysics, does it not make you, you know,
an expert? Wink wink, Well, sorry, James, you're an expert.
That's just the way this is. Please go follow Yeah,

(02:59:18):
I know he laughs at me, but it's true. Go
check out his catalog of amazing things he's got what
over are like nine hundred episodes in like, how deep
is that?

Speaker 3 (02:59:28):
Eight hundred and fifty?

Speaker 16 (02:59:29):
I lost count eight thirty five as of yesterday, eight
thirty five, all of all manner of paranormal experiences across
the thing he does.

Speaker 8 (02:59:40):
He does book reviews on not just Stephen King, Charles
fort all manner of things. And that's the whole point
of this. That's the whole point of this. Eight hundred
and thirty five as of yesterday, different episodes on different accounts.
So if you and he's done these things, researched them himself,
done them on his own podcast, had guests. I've been
on that show. Jen has been on that show. Derek
the Knightstalker, Hariff has been on that show. So many

(03:00:02):
people have been on that show.

Speaker 3 (03:00:04):
Who else? Who else? There's too many, too many, Ricky, Yeah,
too many to name too many today. Many of the
people in this group have been on that show. Is
that Michael W Think has been on that show? So
many people. The deal is this, at some point, and
I keep saying this, that there is no greater actual
paranormal repository of information than James's podcast. If you're not

(03:00:26):
following it you're not listening to it.

Speaker 8 (03:00:28):
The episodes are bite sized or like twenty four minutes long,
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paramrom Wal you're the best brother, as you know.

Speaker 3 (03:00:43):
Glad to have you here. Thanks for a Thanks for showing.

Speaker 8 (03:00:45):
Up and lowering my blood pressure by ten beats per
minute just by you being here.

Speaker 3 (03:00:50):
Appreciate it very much because I got my wingman the
backup here. Look, that's it. That's what this is about.
It's about people. To boil it down to one single word,
it's about people. It's about what people believe. It's about
what people have seen. It's about how people change those beliefs.
It's about what it means from the time you're born

(03:01:12):
to the time you aspire. We're talking about human cycles.
It's important.

Speaker 8 (03:01:17):
But also by the way, oh oh sorry, I digress.
Shout out to puff over there. Thank you for the
generous donation on Rumble. Appreciate that, he says.

Speaker 3 (03:01:25):
Thanks.

Speaker 8 (03:01:26):
Michael Arts from the Rumble crew, appreciate that very much.

Speaker 3 (03:01:29):
Thank you. So much.

Speaker 8 (03:01:30):
And also to the Robert over there for the shouting
out the Nightstalker and saying if anybody can figure out
the Marvel universe and fix it, it is there at
the night Stalker.

Speaker 3 (03:01:37):
And I think he's right.

Speaker 8 (03:01:39):
Look, keep dreaming, keep thinking, keep considering things that are
outside the beaten path, because look, let me tell you something.
When you talk about consensus reality, it is also built
with Burnet's propaganda. And if you don't believe me on that,
go back and do the deep dive and you will

(03:01:59):
be shocked, terrified, horrified. And that so why we're as
weird as we are. As we finish, it goes exactly
like this. If you want to help trouble minds, help
our friends troubled minds, not our courside friends, troubledfans dot
Com all the rest of the things, be sure, be strong,
be true. Thank you for listening from our troubled minds

(03:02:21):
to yours

Speaker 3 (03:02:23):
That have a great night,
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