Watched by the Dead - What Funeral Directors Know - Troubled Minds Radio

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(02:16):
of you in earnest into the digital dist Well, good evening,
and welcome to Troubled Minds Radio. I'm your host, Michael Strange.
We're streaming on YouTube, rumble x, Twitch and Kick. We

(02:38):
are broadcasting live on the Troubled Minds Radio Network. That's
KUAP Digital Broadcasting and of course Auckland, New Zealand eighty
eight point four FM. Tonight, we've got some friends on
the show, an old friend Joe in Florida who's actually
a funeral director. And of course what better way to
cement it altogether than having James as well, the paranormal
expert of Troubled Minds, not other than Aims Salcido, And

(03:01):
we're gonna be talking about psychopomps tonight. We're talking about
the final passage of the human life cycle and the
individuals that are on the front line every day taking
care of that invisible process. Now, you know me and
how I love to think about these invisible processes because
there's a ton of things that happen in the world
that nobody really gives credit to or for. It just

(03:23):
happens things. You know, something, some damage happens downtown or something,
and then before you know it, somebody comes along and
cleans it up or whatever. But in this case, this
is the final transaction. This is the one where we
kick over, as they say, kick the buckets. Not to
be crude or ridiculous, but we are going to have
a little bit of fun tonight, because that's the whole

(03:43):
point of doing these shows together is talking to each other.
Because that is really what these these ideas have always
been about, talking to each other, regular people about extraordinary things.
And of course the ultimate question is what happens when
we die? And well we can talk a little bit
about that and about any other things tonight, but don't
let me ramble on. Let's get these gentlemen on. Welcome.

(04:05):
Let's go James first, and then we'll go Joe. Welcome James,
how you feeling everything? Okay? Tonight's welcome to Trouble Minds.

Speaker 6 (04:10):
How are you doing okay? Hopefully I saw him the right.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Yep, good stuff. I'll adjust to your volume as we go,
but you should be good to go. Speak up a
little bit. We're good. Welcome to the Joints one more time.

Speaker 6 (04:21):
Hello, Hello, Yeah, glad to be here. Thank you for
having me on. I would have been happy just listening,
but with everything that I do, I couldn't help. But
you know, mentioned I could join you if if it worked.
So thank you for having me.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeah, glad to have you, always a pleasure. You are
the best, my man, the glue of the show. And
we'll tell you about him as we go. Salcito Paranormal's
the name of the show. But let's get Joe, Joe
the funeral director in Florida. What's up, Joe. Thanks for
peeling out some time for us tonight and scheduling this
and sending over some amazing stories which we'll talk about.
How you feeling welcome to the thing?

Speaker 2 (04:55):
I'm doing? Okay, I'm trying to get into the season.
It's been a little bit admittedly hard year. By the
first year. I haven't decorated. Uh can you hear me?
Okay though? Or does anything need adjusted?

Speaker 4 (05:05):
I think you're good. I'm just adjusting on my end,
which is normal. So us talk away. You're you're your
second week in Latin clear, so you.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Know, we could start anywhere, James, Mike, stop me with questions,
you know, because while I'm trying to read some of
this and kind of just paraphrasing and going along, it'll
evoke like me being in the scene and probably going
back to that, you know, to that time. But uh,
you know, we could go either way. I've got, like

(05:35):
I said, I've got some of the older ghost stories
in here, but I figured, uh, I sent you that
list of some of the real world things that I've
seen that have happened. If people are interested in that,
and we maybe we should give a warning, you think
to some people, because some of these stories could be
maybe a little bit graphic and kind of off the

(05:55):
coffer unexpected.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
Yeah, that's it's a good time to actually drop all
the stuff other than the eyewitness examples that Joe's going
to give you from things he've seen, he has seen
in his life and in his work. Here tonight, again
there's aside from personal experience, there's no truth. We're going
to be talking about wild things, so throw that out
as usual. Look, all the disclaimers do apply where we're

(06:17):
not here about truth. We're here about conversation and possibilities,
and tonight maybe a slightly graphic. So if you're squeamish
and don't, like, you know, stories about expired bodies, to
put it lightly, then just just a fair warning as
we get into some of this stuff, because it is
some you know, some people handle this stuff differently, and
so to me, I can hear it, I can you know,

(06:40):
visualize it, but when I see it on a screen
and it's realistic, I'm like, that's where I kind of
draw the line and I'm like, no, thanks, I don't
want to watch it. That's that's just not yucky. But
you don't have a choice in some cases. But so
what we're gonna do tonight with Joe and James is
and you guys who will be taking your calls if
you guys have questions for Joe again, he's a funeral
director in Florida. James, of course, the paranormal expert of

(07:01):
Troubled Minds. And so here's the deal, right, We're going
to just talk about what that invisible process. The Joeys
talked in the past about how he got into the
funeral business. He talks about it quite a lot on
the show. We can just go kind of glaze over
that real fast and get right into some of these stories,
because he's got some wild things that have happened, not
just to him, but some of the colleagues he's worked with.

(07:24):
And also I went and dug up some other sort
of accounts of these these types of things. Other funeral directors.
Things they've said from Reddit and some of these other places.
So take that again with a grain of salt, because
we can't verify that we don't know those people. But
again I'll ask you if you've heard some of these
other things and all the rest of it. And James
has pulled some stuff out too, so we got a
ton of stuff to get to. But yeah, how about

(07:46):
we start with you, Joe, just real quick, and how
you got into the funeral business, and then we'll get
in some of the tales and some of the tropes
and some of the fun so a perfect So you.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Know, I finished college. You know, I took a long
way around. I wanted to teach history, so I have
like my major. My bachelor's was history political science, you know,
and really wanted to teach, but I had been asked
to work for actually an agency and other things because
it was after nine to eleven. But wanting to teach

(08:17):
was probably something I wanted to do. I did a
paper on labor and everything, and when I finished college,
I ended up teaching Spanish at a Catholic school. It's
probably the only job I could find at the time.
So started working at a funeral home part time in
mid North Florida. We could say it was spring Hill
Hudson And a disclaimer, none of these stories have to

(08:39):
do with the people I work for now, And I've
said in other shows, I think the reason why none
of these hauntings or anything happened at the place that
I work at now is because it's a family run place.
And we could discuss that later, possibly with what it's
got to do with energy. Anyway, So I'm teaching. I
take a side job in the summertime, just opening doors

(09:01):
as a funeral attendant, you know, And I just jumped in.
I'm like an extra money, It's easy. I can work
when I want to. That was it. So I was
doing that, and then we add all the salespeople, clear
out which salespeople are not licensed funeral directors. They could
have been selling furniture the day before, but here they

(09:23):
are selling cemetery and funerals because you could sell things
in a pre neid basis. Anyhow, a lot of those
people end up being dishonest, they quit for whatever reason,
and I kind of got thrown in. They're like, hey,
do you want to try sales? So there was no
sales crew I jumped in and I started learning unbeknounced
to me. I mean, the commissions were good, and I

(09:44):
sold honestly because I didn't know any better, you know,
when you're getting taught and all these things. So I
started learning the cemetery and started learning things. And basically
as I was going along with that, I didn't go
back to the job teaching because there was some months
that I was making like thousands of dollars and you know,

(10:06):
I was outspending it. Who knew, but I was doing
well at it. So then I was getting ready to
quit and move to UH to the county I live
in now. So get ready to quit, and the sales
manager wants to keep me, and he goes, hey, there's
a there's a job opening at the crematory. Now I

(10:28):
had no clue. I had no clue what to expect.
You know, I was dating some money that I'm married
too now and she wanted me to move closer. So
I just jumped in. You just jumped in, right, What
doors open? One door opens and the other door opens
to kind of just go in and to get in
on it. So go to work at the crematory, and

(10:49):
now I'm full time now I got steady income, which
was good because I have steady income versus commission that
I'm learning something new, so I'm challenged again and I'm
enjoying it. But I didn't put this in the storyline.
We could ask how do they get the job in
the crematory? Now, a lot of times in the crematory,

(11:09):
either people quit, like they quit any job, or they
get fired for something. It's typically not good. And if
you've never been in a crematory, it should be done
where there's one body put in at a time into
the retort, and when that's done, those cremated remains have

(11:32):
to be swept out. There are bones left and there's ashes,
so you try to sweep it out, you try to
vacuum it out, you try to get everything out. So
apparently the guy that I replaced, he was outside of
the evening, probably smoked a little bit, did a little

(11:52):
stuff he shouldn't have been doing, had been in trouble before,
and he goes to to a cremation, but he forgets
to empty out the machine from the previous two cremations,
is what it turned out. So I found Yeah, I
found all this out later, and basically what happens is

(12:14):
you have a shoot at the end of the It
could be in the front of the machine or the
end of the machine, depending on how the machines were made.
So you're with ours, you swept them out the back,
and then you would also use if they're doing it right,
you would use like a high temperature shop back. It
was like a steel vacuum with a probably like a

(12:34):
teflon coked filter. It was like a paper filter, but
it was fire you know, it was fire resistant or
heat resistant. Anyway, by the time he was done, there
were three bodies or three sets of ashes. They got
caught in the shute. In other words, the long bones
got stuck in the chute and by the time they

(12:55):
realized that there were three bodies in there, I had
not been working there, mind you, I was replacing that guy.
But that's what we found out. And anyway, those families
got everything refunded. I don't think there was a lawsuit.
Maybe they settled, I don't know. But that's how careless.

(13:16):
It's a very simple job, but it just takes a
split second to be not careless. But somebody's loved one.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
Yeah, some things are across the board on any industry
and it's so hard to find good help these days.
Is the thing that sticks all the way around no
matter what you're doing. That's a fact.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
That's exactly it, so, you know. So that's basically how
I got into it. And then I went to school
full time to get my certificate, you know, for cremation
and involving. And we're not getting into all those stories
because those are more just like life general life stories.
Companies get solved and you get transferred and things like that.

(13:55):
But a lot of these things through the years, you know,
some of the stories stick out. Some of them are sad.
I won't say the real sadd one that I discussed
it through Saturday. Some are not. The beat goes on,
you know, and in a world where we cannot agree,
and I'm just reading from what I had written, but
in something that we can't agree, I would say, none
of us are going to make it out of here alive,

(14:16):
you know. But then again, there's a chance you might
get raptured. And if that's the case, that just means
peace inquired for me. Most of these stories are going
to be anonymous. Some might be a recollection of dreams.
Some you might have heard before, is ghost stories if
I get into those, but some of them were graphic. Anyway,

(14:38):
we all know the story of Franken's not go ahead,
go ahead, I just recok.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
I think we missed Rapture Day. That's the day I
was recording the podcast with ray K. Shout out, ray K,
we missed rapture Day. So I think the rapture thing
might be behind us. I'm just kidding. Go ahead, sir,
Sorry about that. I had to make the joke.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Only God knows. Only God knows. But anyway, so I'm
sitting here some candy corn and you know, some chocolates
this evening, and some sweets, and I've really been good
about getting off the sugar, but tonight's not that night.
Everybody knows the story of Frankenstein. So we know how
grave robbers might sell bodies to doctors for research, you know,

(15:17):
and back then it was really taboo. And of course
when science isn't understood, you know, and the dead and
all of that, it's always a taboo thing. But even nowadays,
there's regulations for body donations, organ donors. I've seen very
graphic things. I've seen eyes taken, not just corny is,
but eyes and that's kind of really freaky. I've had

(15:39):
to put a bag of viscera meaning organs back into
a donor body. We could talk about that later. That
has to do with my dad passing away in things.
But most of the time, you know, the workdays stayed
at work, but sometimes things would creep in strange dreams,
you know, and I could say they felt real, and
maybe they were, but I don't know, so I can

(16:03):
remember these. I had been working in the crevatory for
a few months and I was getting used to the
way things ran, to identification of loved ones, to weights,
because there's a physic you know, there's physics to how
you cremate, doing paperwork, temperatures, all these regulatory things that
you needed to do. But it was surreal putting somebody
into a fire. It was surreal opening up a machine

(16:28):
door and having a loader, which every time I loaded
a box in, it reminded me of Star Trek for
being in a submarine and loading a torpedo team. That's
what it was like. The machine would load the box in,
the machine would pull out, you would close the door
and you get the flames going. But cremation is something

(16:48):
we've done forever, you know. So i'd open the boxes,
I'd see people, usually looking like they were just asleep,
but sometimes some of them died in accidents, whether it
was car accidents to his sides, explosions I've had, you know,
And sometimes you'd had a rough day. And one day
I had a pretty rough day. It wasn't bad, it

(17:09):
was more surreal. And I come home and I turned
on the TV and Frankenstein is playing. So I just
watched Frankenstein. He's been a long day. And I get
off to bed, and I didn't really have an outlet,
you know, except in my dreams. So in my dreams
or not. That night, I'm back in the crematory and
it's business as usual. That'scept my partner. And his name

(17:33):
is Darryl. You could picture him as I forget the
actor he passed away. He was the actor in The
Green Mile and an army geddon you know what I'm
talking about.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
I don't. It's been a long time.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
The African American gentleman, the big guy.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
The big guy. Yeah, yeah, okay, I'll get his name.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
God, I get his name from The Green Mile. My
buddy Daryl was like that big is big dude. And
I'm not big guy, right, so, but we always have
a good time. He was he was good nature, you know,
and he would tell the stories about the hat man
and about getting out of Chicago and all these things.
But anyway, got it.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Michael Clarks duncan, Michael Clark.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Michael Clark dunking, Yeah, Michael Clark duncan. So he's calling
me in to the coller. And on occasion, if we
needed to do a double identification, like we weren't sure
if this picture matched this or if this ankle bracelet
match the name, we do like a double take, you know,
I could double id and things. So while we're in there,

(18:36):
you know, I get back into the coller to help
identify some money. As I walk into this dimly lit coller,
it's got racks on both sides. They can hold about
one hundred people, right, I see the rectangle cardboard alternative box.
It's on the lift, ready to go. So as we
open the box, I am shocked to see that something

(19:00):
is missing in that box. And while but a bit
of a shock looking in the box, saying, oh my god,
you know, my mind is trying to register what is
going on here because this isn't what you usually see. Okay,
I look up and my partner is shaking what appears
to be he's shaking the hand of an unattached arm. Okay,

(19:26):
So as he's looking up and he's casually shaking his
whole unattached arm, he looks at me and says, how
do you do how do you react to?

Speaker 6 (19:35):
How do you do it?

Speaker 4 (19:36):
The rim shot? That's how I react to that? Yeah,
I mean, And this is the thing too. Some of
these stories are obviously dark, but humorously dark, and it's
and these are the types of things you end up
seeing on a daily basis. We're kind of getting down
the bottom the hour here, got about five minutes left.
Let's peel some time off around that out real quick,
and let's get some time for James to kind of
add some information here. We are taking your calls and

(19:57):
I guys, if you want to be part of the conversation,
you have a question for myself, for Joe or James
and or James seven O two nine seven one zero
three seven click the discord link of troublebines dot org.
Just put your hand up on the discord. I'll go
ahead and finish that up Joe and yeah, that's that's
a crazy tale. But then leave some room for James.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
So basically he's there holding the arm, you know, and
what can I do? I screamed and laughed. You want
to talk about mixed emotions, I scream and laugh or
run out of the cooler. So apparently the Torso was
donated to science. All I literally had in that box
was a pair of arms and a pair of legs,
very hard to technically identify, but I'm missing torso. Is

(20:35):
identification enough? So I want up? You know, I woke
up wondering if that horse was being used for something
like Frankenstein or maybe helping the next round of medical students.
So that's the end of that little notated story.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
Perfect, and we've got plenty more coming again. We're here
with Joe in Florida tonight, the funeral director, and he's
telling not just a personal experiences, possibly how the dream
realm kind of impact sim as part of it, and
of course the haunted tropes of the funeral game. So, James,
what you got on that? Thanks for being patient. We
got about three and a half minutes left. If you
got anything, go right, hitzir.

Speaker 6 (21:12):
Oh, just yeah, that's that's I can't imagine. You know,
there's all this energy that goes into everything that we
do and when it comes to jobs or whatever we're doing,
and so I can't imagine the energy that is involved
with all that and what may be sort of lingering

(21:33):
with with the remains of an individual after they passed,
and how those could all interact. I just wanted to
point out I've I've there are so many accounts, and
it's not every time I look into things, but many
accounts of just anomalous sounds or apparitions or different things

(21:54):
happening in and around funeral homes. The research I do
for my show and everything, every once in a while
I find one and so, and a lot of them
have the same things. So I won't have a ton
to go into today. I do have one story, but
I figured maybe it's fair to say it for later,
just because it's so unique from what I found, and

(22:17):
I'm looking forward to the rest of the show.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Well, but not only that, A lot of these I
like to call them tropes. Of course it may not
be fair, but a lot of the same cycles and
patterns come out of these funeral homes. There's a ton
of stories that are part of it. And again, as
being the paranormal expert, that's what we have here. Of course,
again not just because we love you and you're fantastic,
but because you've got an unbelievable insight into some of
these things that we might miss. So if you see something,

(22:42):
by all means, jump in here and let us know. Hey,
by the way, this is a thing. I've read some
of these tales or experiences or whatever they are, and
this also is a thing because I mean, of all
the haunted places we talk about, you know, prisons we
talk about, we talked about, museums last night. There are
so many things you can talk about in terms of
your battle fields being haunted, but certainly the funeral homes

(23:03):
got to be on top of that list. And it's
something that nobody talks about. And to be honest, it
doesn't really enter my mind because, like I said, it's
part of that invisible process. And you guys know, I've
talked about this a lot in the past. And so
if we didn't meet Joe as part of this, as
part of his everyday life, this this type of stuff
wouldn't kind of come to conversation to the top of

(23:24):
our minds to kind of handle this and process this
together with him. Joe, go ahead, got about a minute
left if you got anything to add to that, and
then we'll take a break and we'll come back for
some more.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
No, you know, it was a it was you know,
that particular story was just you know, it was a weird,
bad dream. But you know, on occasion people donate, you know,
and God bless them for doing that. You know, I
still being in this business, I still ethically don't know
or I can't get an answer to if I want

(23:57):
to donate something, you know, because you do all your
stories about people that are on the edge and they're
still alive and sometimes being their organs are being harvested
or they're about to be harvested and they wake up.
You know, I had somebody that worked directly with that
that I knew, and that had happened on more than

(24:18):
one occasion where people woke up and you don't ever
hear that. You really don't ever hear that. And that's
not to do with the funeral. That's got to do
with events that take place in a hospital.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
Yeah, the hospitals are another one too, which again so
we're talking again. So I'm calling this tonight Watched by
the dead. What funeral directors know and wouldn't you know?
We have a funeral director here with us tonight, Joe
and Florida, which we will continue with some of his
personal experiences, some of the things he's learned and talked
about with colleagues, and of course we will be taking
your calls. If you want to be part of the conversation,
you don't have to do give us a call seven

(24:51):
oh two one zero three seven and click the discord
like a Trouble Minds dog. You're right back. Mrwoo, Joe, Murwitt, James,
and your calls as well. Wouldn't we return? More Troubled
Minds coming up. See you on the other side of
the break, Be right back.

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Speaker 8 (27:03):
Revolumes.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Welcome back to Troubled Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange.
We're streaming on YouTube, rumble x, Twitch and Kick. We
are broadcasting live on the Troubled Minds Radio Network. That's
k u a P Digital Broadcasting and of course A
point four FM Auckland, New Zealand. Tonight's We're here with
Joe in Florida, the funeral director, and of course James,
the paranormal expert of Trouble Minds. And this is a question,

(28:08):
It's a big one. Is it possible that those who
prepare us for our final journey stand closer to the
unknown than science admits could? The presence felt in funeral homes,
the strange timing of last advice, and this stirring of
consciousness after death hint that our experience isn't simply over
when the body fails, and there you go. Lots of

(28:30):
things to tackle with that, and lots of things on
my mind. Hope you guys are well tonight, Thanks for
staying up late. The camera did die off? Fix that
in a second here, but thanks for being part of this.
You guys are incredible. James, anything to add, anything you're
thinking of, any maybe ideas you kind of want to
kick into this, and then we'll get into more stories
from Joe. Welcome back, gentlemen.

Speaker 6 (28:50):
Well, it is amazing when I'm thinking about just the
few accounts I've found of experiences. There was one I
had found a while ago. I shared on a show
about cleaning company employee that the company had a contract
with a couple of I'm not sure if there were
separate funeral homes or they were just part of one chain,

(29:10):
but they had an experience with seeing an apparition in
one of them. And the one that they saw this
in it always felt weird to them. It always had
sort of a heavy feeling to them. But then the
other one that they worked in, they never had an
experience and it always felt light or positive overall. And

(29:31):
I really find that fascinating. And of course a lot
of these these these experiences I read about, you know,
they don't mention, you know, locations with names and all that,
which I totally understand. But I wonder if now I'm
thinking about it, I wonder if one was owned by
a corporation and the other one was more of a

(29:53):
family owned thing. But again I have no idea, but
I think that that could be something that that could determine,
that could lead to maybe one type of location having
activity and another maybe not. But again with all these things,
as soon as you find the pattern, you can also
find the opposite pattern. So I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Yeah, well said, and we certainly will get to that.
Joe's talked about that before. Joe, what's your take on that,
And let's get in some more of this stuff that
you sent over. A fantastic work pre prep on the
stories and the tales there. I appreciate it very much.
Welcome back.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
No, probably, Yeah, well I got a couple of other
stories here. I got a bunch of stories and then
I had highlights too. But I talked about it today
what James was just talking about. And to give a
couple of quick examples, I don't know if I wrote
them down from like the last set of ghost stories,
but it's perspective. So I only worked in two corporate

(30:51):
locations until now working for a family place. And when
you're in the family place and everything is calm, and
even the people that own it tell you that there's
nothing there, you know. So the perspective being that when
I worked at the corporate places, I could tell you
among a bunch of stories and things that happened to me,

(31:13):
not all bad, not all good. But the Quicke ext
examples I remember is this one woman that I worked with,
she's still there. She told me that she would see
a guy. She saw him once come into the back door.
But she saw him in a back hallway wearing clothes
and a hat and he was basically putting his jacket

(31:36):
in his hat on a stand, you know. So she
had told me that, and then there was an experience
to her and I both experienced where it was middle
of the day. Both of these were in the daytime actually,
but excuse me, middle of the day. They were down
the hallway and we hear the door open, which it
was one of those It was a side door, you know,

(31:58):
like a church door or school or you push the
latch like a heavy door, you know. So we heard
the door open, and we heard the door slam closed,
and there was nobody in the office. And we looked
at each other and that was for sure there was
nobody there, you know. Among other things that had happened
in both of those funeral homes. And then in contrast,

(32:20):
I go to work for the excellent folks that I'm
working for now, and it's just three of us family
run everybody's calm. And my theory on that is when
you work for the corporate place, it's never hardly a
positive energy because you have real life people pushing you

(32:46):
to push the family into buying things they don't need,
you understand, So there's a lot of pressure. So funeral
directors for corporate places sometimes they turn into salespeople because
what you don't know sitting on the other side of
the table is they're only going to show you packages.
And while that might be something you may want, but

(33:09):
they're not showing you the all the card options. They're
only gonna they're gonna admit what might be cheaper and
push you into a package. And if they sell that,
they actually make a commission, so they'll make their base
pay and they'll make a commission. And if you ever
go on indeed, kind of getting into the weeds. But
if you're going indeed, or you're looking for a job,
a lot of the corporate places will not show what

(33:32):
the pay is or if they show the pay and
might say up to this much, and then that's that's
when you have to figure out, well, it's not going
to be commissioned.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
So of course, right the o the old trick how much?
How much can you sell to people in their grief,
which is unfortunately a fact of life. It's not just
something that happens in that industry. It happens in every industry,
but in that particular space, grief is a the one
of the most powerful emotions we experience, as you beans,
and so taking advantage of that is particularly scummy in

(34:03):
the corporate sense. Yeah, that's yeah, it makes my blood
boil just a little bit. Let's say, well, you.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Know, I mean I I don't think I sent you
that letter b private. I mean what I'm getting into
it here with the public because I still don't know
what the outcome is going to be. But you know
what I told you this weekend, what I what I
have going on right now is directly against that without
getting into the laws of Federal Trade Commission and complicating
everything for the listeners, but solicitation and things like that.

(34:34):
But yes, it makes your blood boil up today, as
a brief example, I had somebody send us an email
inquiry and they literally put the amount of what they
were willing to spend. And I called them and said,
you know, you're doing the exact opposite. Lucky, you know,
but they were shopping around and I said, look, you know,

(34:55):
I can make you spend that much, but you really
don't have to. And by law, this is the price
of the service as you're asking for. And it was
half of what they were willing to spend. But if
they took that to a corporate place, they might spend
every last bit of that and then more.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Yeah, yeah, of course. I mean it's a really brutal
thing because you're like, okay, so how do you put
a price on the memory of the deceased. I mean,
you put as much as you you think you can,
you know, as much as you can kind of stress
in that regard, because I mean, you know, like, you're
not gonna go cheap. This is the memorial for somebody
you loved very much. So I mean this is just
rife for export exploitation. And speaking of which, it's actually

(35:32):
a fantastic segue. So Joe and I and James jumped
on the discord over the weekend this past weekend, and
we were just chopping up a little bit, testing Joe's
mike and making sure, you know, we were all set
for the show tonight, and something came up that fits
into this very well. You were talking about this super
expensive casket that was handmade by monks somewhere in the Midwest.
Can you tell us about that Speaking of the corporate party, I.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Don't think it was super Yeah, I don't think it's
I don't know. I honestly don't know what the price
is because the family here's purchased a third party. But
it's it's the traditional coffin. It's not a casket. It's
the coffin work with that coffin shape that you would
see like watching an old you know, Bella Lagosi Dracula movie.

(36:15):
But if you look it up, it's Trappists tr A
p p i s T. Trappist bunk caskets and they
are handmade and they are gorgeous and then they engraved
the name and they're in the wood and like the
one that we had last week, the wood had like
a knot in it, and a knot you know, sometimes
a knot will come out of the wood and you

(36:35):
can look at it as a defect, but it's not.
They put a lot of work into that and they're
just gorgeous and almost I'm not a wood guy, you know,
I prefer the metal. Uh. But when I look at
some wood caskets, in these particular coffins, it just seems
a shame to put them in the ground, you know.

(36:58):
But again, when you look at it and somebody wants
to purchase that for their loved one, it's out of respect.
It's not, you know, it's out of respect. It's because
they're able to do it. And it's not that other
families disrespect it. Because some families just go with a
minimum casket. And that's absolutely fine, okay, because if it
meets what you need, that's fine. I don't want to

(37:20):
put anybody in the bay, you know, in the you know,
in bankruptcy. But the Trappis casket, if you look it
up now, some people put the picture up there, AYK
did That's not the version that I had. It's more
of the the I forget the shape what they call it,
but I can look it up and post it or
maybe James Campbell we're talking, but it's Trappist caskets. I
believe it's out of Ohio.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
I've got them, I've got the i've got the website up.
I'm looking at I'm showing it right now, and I'm
looking for that that particular bella Legosi style there's as.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
The one which as the standard, that's like the standard
shape of it. It's like a coffin the coff inside. Okay,
but they should have that Trappist monk shape casket. And
I'm not going to type on the keyboard because you
hear a lot back broad doors probably.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
But yeah, that's okay, just a real quick for the
for the people out there. And so because this is
this cuts down to an audio format. So the premium
rectangular casket, the price here for for Trappist handmade by monks,
and what was it Iowa, Ohio, whatever it is, I
was gonna yeah, So thirty eight hundred, forty nine hundred
the premium rectangular which shows up on the top here,

(38:22):
and it goes all the way down to seventeen to
twenty seven hundred. Then the clergy casket and the child
casket doesn't have a an actual price, but the rustic
earned four hundred and fifty bucks he's from made of wood,
and I'm a wood guy. I've done woodworking in the past,
and I can make a fine finish like this. So this,
this is fantastic stuff. And the stain is top notch,
and that that the finish is a glossy but not

(38:44):
too glossy. It's like the flag gloss it's a this
is very good. I'm Mcconoiughsuler. I could do this myself
if you gave me the wood. I'm not a woodworker,
but I'm certainly a finisher in that regard. So yeah,
this is this is fantastic work. And I'd never heard
of it, and we were talking about it on Saturday night,
so I thought it important to kind of put into
this that there's all manner of industry that kind of
comes into this. But we can get back into the
spooky stuff. We don't have to talk about the economics

(39:05):
of this space anymore. Who just wanted to bring this
in unless you got anything else on it.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
It's I got a quick funny story about that one.
I don't know if I wrote it down, but my
first experience with that casket was quite a few years ago,
and I don't know if I wrote it down, but
this would be a story about you know, no judgment, right,
so no no judgment of people. And I go into

(39:30):
work one day and I got to take care of
a family. Turns out that this guy was a priest
up and I want to say it was Pennsylvania. It
was a northern state. But he was accused of doing
those things that some priests get accused of doing. So

(39:51):
my boss is telling me, I got to meet with
his family, kind of had a reservation, and he looks
at me and he's like, you know, dude, it it
ain't arte and he's right, He's like, it's not really
our job to judge when we don't really know. Okay,
because the gentleman had never been convicted or anything that happened. However,

(40:12):
he died in Florida and there was a conversation of
if he was going to be buried with his investments,
meeting his you know, traditional priest uniform, basically his vestments. Okay,
so that's it. Iowa Sweets has it down as Iowa.
I thought it was Ohio. But it gets into that.

(40:33):
Get this gets into the rest of the story. So
I'm meeting with the family and they're still debating with
the church and the diocese how this guy is going
to be buried. So we're getting closer to the date,
and the family orders one of these caskets, and I
look at the gentleman, and the gentleman is pretty overweight,

(40:54):
and the traditional trappis casket to be ordered. We weren't
sure if he was going to fit. Not to mention,
there was a blizzard coming through there. So I tell
these folks, you got to order that casket. Get it
over here, you know, and they try to get it
to you with them like twenty four to forty eight hours.
So family comes in and I don't forget I've got

(41:17):
a priest who was accused. Family comes in, they drop
off all the clothing and they leave. So I'm looking
through the clothing, just getting the inventory because people typically
give you a full set of clothing. So as I'm
looking through this set of regular person's clothes, I'm missing

(41:37):
an item which was embarrassing. The item that I was
missing in the clothing. So I'm like, I'm telling my boss.
I'm like, dude, this is terrible. What are we doing.
We got to call the family back or do we
have the ropes? And my boss is like, what are
you talking about? What's missing? And I'm like, I've got
the priest here, I've got all his clothes, but I
don't have his pants. And you could you know, you

(42:00):
can get the drum roll on that one. But I
literally had a priest with no pants hands. We had
to get those pants in, we had to get them dressed,
and in that night, I literally was tracking the shipment
of the casket while there was a blizzard coming through.
But the casket didn't make it in time, and we
did bury the gentleman and he did and he did

(42:22):
have and he did have pants on.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
Well that's that's that's the good news. And also as
a as a an individual with a commercial truck driver's license,
God bless our truck drivers out there that are driving
through blizzards to get these things to where they need
to be when they need to get there. So yeah,
I mean that's all of that's incredibly wild. And again
some of the humorous things that happened as part of
this we need pants. Anybody got a pair of pants?

(42:45):
About a you know, thirty six waist?

Speaker 2 (42:48):
What the hell?

Speaker 4 (42:49):
Crazy stuff?

Speaker 2 (42:51):
I had a priest with no pants. I mean, I
was just like that's the you know, how was that stapunchline?
I'm sitting there like pries and no pants. What more
weirdness can that be? You know? But uh, you know,
who knows what I happened? The only God knows with that,
and then it we just went into the burial and
and that was it.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Now it just makes for like a little bit of
a chuckle of a story.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
Absolutely, I say, James, back in here, anything, James, thanks
for being patient, my man? What you got on any
of that? I hope you are wearing pants over there?

Speaker 6 (43:21):
Uh well no, I'm wearing shorts.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Oh, thank you very much.

Speaker 6 (43:25):
All right. I mean, I'm not kidding, but I'm kidding.
But I'm just wondering here too with the transportation. I
have a family story, not luckily to do the family,
but real quick one am I. And I'm wondering if
anyone or if Jove you ever heard of this were
what I tell it? And you can tell me. My

(43:45):
grandparents had a new couple, a couple around their age,
and apparently the husband of I told the wife and
this couple of friends that I don't ever want to
be transported in a hearse for the funeral for any
for anything, and the wife said, okay, no problem, and

(44:09):
didn't think much of it. Years later, the guy passed away.
They put him in the hearse. It will not start.
And they tried several times to start this hearse. It
would not start. So they had to transport put him
into it, get rent, get another vehicle that was long

(44:29):
enough for the for the casket, and get him to
where he needed to be in another vehicle. And then
of course once he was out of the vehicle, the
hearse worked fine. Not even joking.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Of course, that's the last message. I mean, that's some
people I believe, but I you know, we could talk
about that. You know that the soul kind of sticks
around for a little bit whatever that is that you can.
But that's a message. I mean, that's that's just as strange,

(45:02):
if not stranger. Theyre the ones that I've seen that
the hearts not starting. But you know, I've seen things
like that in the funeral and I've seen books fall
off the shelf or be like be upside down when
I when I know I put like I put the
registered book this way, and I come in the next
morning and the lights are flickering and the registered book
is another way. Right, I've seen that, so I believe it,

(45:26):
you know, And I think no matter what your belief
is in the direct God, whether got out of the
Bible or wherever it is, I think there's you know,
whether you want to call it conscious energy, hopefully it's
conscious energy that maybe could affect things. Yeah, yeah, it
sticks around, you know.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
Yeah, I actually got a whole list of questions to
ask you regarding that type of stuff. Did this because
because I got some you know, funeral home tropes and
you know, that type of stuff that's like have you
have you ever had this happen or had somebody you know,
you work with described this. So I've got a bunch
of that. So if you want to question you, let
me know. I have a whole list of them. But yeah,

(46:07):
I mean that's the type of stuff that makes you
wonder about sort of the last wish, right, and this
type of stuff, you know, how the consciousness maybe plays
as we spin off this mortal coil as the actual
saying goes. So maybe that the you know, the last
meal and the final wish and sort of all that
the ritual stuff really plays deeply and heavily into the

(46:30):
conscious consciousness aspect of the passing. I mean, that makes
a ton of sense there, and I'd never heard of that, James.
That wasn't on my list. But that's fire stuff, great stuff, gentlemendo.
What else you got back to whoever, whoever's got anything?

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Well, I think, you know, maybe James agree or not
agree with chime in with that. But since we don't
talk about death as a culture, I would think, you know,
we talk about spelling and the word, and the word
means power. Maybe that particular story that James is saying, well,
that guy said he imprinted it, he meant that, you know,
he meant that, because who would think of that. I

(47:06):
don't want to be putting in hers who would think
of that? Who would say that? So yeah, at the
end when he died, probably like you know what, I
need to make sure they remember because I meant it
when I said it this many years ago, you know.

Speaker 6 (47:21):
Yeah. That's That's what I always wonder is was it
was he still there or was his was his force
of his reasons behind that here, his will or his
just wanting it not or not wanting so strong that
it affected things in the future. I have one other account.

(47:42):
I did find online of something somewhat similar but not
quite the same, where a family member told their family
and the person that made the post that I found
that they did not want an open casket funeral or viewing.
And and this was years before they passed, I believe,

(48:04):
and they when they did the when they did everything
and serve everything up that the family either forgot or
didn't didn't think it was a big deal. I don't know,
they didn't say. But during the viewing at the funeral home,
in the middle of this people talking about the individual
and how much they loved them and everything, the lid

(48:25):
of the casket closed on its own with a kind
of a loud slam and made everyone jump. But then
it brought back to mind the people that were there
that that had been told this by the individual, what
they had said they did not want an open viewing
at the at the funeral home. And so I do

(48:48):
wonder about that. How does that work?

Speaker 2 (48:51):
You know, the caskets have that they could have just fallen,
but I doubt it. There's like a spring lock on
that hinge. There's different type of hinges and you usually
push them in to release and you just close the
casket lid you know, it could have been faulty. But again,
I've never had that happen to me where the lid

(49:14):
just lamps closed. So again, I you know, there's nothing
to not believe it. I've seen things with my own eyes,
and you know, there's no coincidences, right, I think we
could say there's no coincidences. So I would think that, yeah,

(49:34):
maybe there was something there going on that made that
thing close, because people are vain, and if that person
was vain, like you know, I know people are vain, like,
they wouldn't want to be viewed that way. So you
could say that there is vanity on men and women,
you know, vanities not just like women. It's men women.
People are vain about the way they look and maybe

(49:56):
they really meant it and that needed to be respected
and that needed to closed. You know, that's it, you know.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
Yeah, so it might not even be that too, like
like just imagine I don't like I can't imagine personally
what that what that's like as you know, the deceased
again thinking about consciousness and the metaphysics and you know,
the soul and all this other stuff that maybe you
do have a round for a few days and maybe
you do actually get to sort of witness your own funeral,

(50:26):
and you know that type of thing you float up
into as as the out of body experience suggests, your
life flashes before your eyes. You hang around sort of
floating on the ceiling for a few days till you
go off into the ether or wherever you go. Now
that's the case, imagine sort of experiencing the grief and
the trauma of the people that love you, like I

(50:46):
don't know, man like that that like that part of
this is the thing that kicks me in the stomach
because I'm you know, it's not it's not a vanity thing.
I I kind of don't want people to, you know,
like see my my unshaven face for a last time
and be I don't know, kicked in the guts in
a similar fashion, you know what I'm saying. So I'm

(51:07):
not sure it's about vanity entirely. Surely some of it's
going to be. But I think in this sense, like
the metaphysical aspect certainly plays at a deeper level. Got
about a minute left, So if you've got a final thought,
go ahead and we'll we'll get back into some of
the great stuff that you've got and I've got some questions.
I know James has some questions, but we are taking
your calls on I guys, if you've got questions for
Joe myself or James seven or two nine five seven

(51:29):
one zero three seven, you click the discord like a
trouble minds, don't or if you're already on the this group,
put your hand up. Go ahead, Joe A final thought
about a minute, and then we'll come back after the break.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
You know, we can we can go into some more
of these weird stories. I guess we're doing okay on time,
you know, choose, So I got another one that's probably
kind of, you know, kind of funny, kind of quirky
that we can weed in with. I also wrote some
notes down. I had one that I basically called the
Dentist and the Gold. That was bizarre, But we can

(52:00):
get into that after the break if you want to
about why somebody sunned wanted to retrieve the gold out
of their teeth, which is really minimal, really and it
kind of drove me nuts, and it still drives me nuts,
and that's why I probably wrote a note down about it.
But yeah, that's it. And if there's some questions or

(52:23):
some then we can talk about it to the limit
of my knowledge and James's knowledge and what we think,
and if we want to get into some of the
ghost stories and I can repeat kind of, we could
do that too, because as you know, I've seen some
pretty weird stuff and had some weird things, and I
even had something weird to happen not too long ago.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
So perfect, fantastic. You guys are all radio pros now.
I appreciate the the brevity when necessary and rolling with
the punches and me yam oran on and all the
rest of it. You guys are great. We're talking again.
We're we're here with Joe Tonight, who's a funeral director
in Florida, of course, James the paranormal expert of Trouble Minds,
and we're talking to it. What funeral directors know? What

(53:03):
do you think happens that our passing and do you
think there is a resonant energy that sticks around in
the places that process the psychopomp space. I'd love to
hear your thoughts. Seven oh two nine five seven one
zero three seven Click the discord like a trouble mindst rug.
You're right back. More on the way, Do not go anywhere.

(53:49):
Welcome back to Troubled Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange.
We're streaming on YouTube, rumble x, Twitch, and Kick. We
are broadcasting live on the Troubled Vines Radio Network. That's
KAP Digital Broadcasting and eight point four FM Auckland, New Zealand.
Tonight we're talking. I'm calling this Watched by the Dead?
What funeral directors know?

Speaker 8 (54:07):
How?

Speaker 3 (54:07):
What I know?

Speaker 4 (54:07):
I wouldn't, but as luck would have it, we have
a good friend Joe and Florida, who is a funeral
director and has been for basically as long as I've
known him, seven ish years. He's been a great contributor
to the show in a lot of different ways. But
there's a lot of questions regarding it because the old
tropes are that these places are haunted. That you know,
we talk about, as we talked about last night, haunted

(54:29):
museums or as I mentioned earlier, haunted battlefields. But certainly
when you have these places where the freshly deceased are
sort of ushered in and processed whatever that looks like
in the modern realm, well maybe this is kind of
rife for a haunting. And that's what's on my mind. Tonight,
and that's that's what's the topic is. And if you

(54:50):
guys have questions for Joe, and if you don't want
to call that school, just type him in a chat to.
I have a ton of questions that we haven't actually
got to. I wanted to kind of lead us down
the Spookyville and we're here with James. The paranormalics were
to trouble minds as well, so we got a great
mix of ideas and talent and experience all in the
same space. So uh yeah, I love to hear what

(55:10):
you think. Let's go back to James. Anything to add
to anything we said, and then we'll go get to
some stories and some questions for Joe. Welcome back, gentlemen,
Thanks for thanks again for being here and all you James.
What's what's going on? My man?

Speaker 6 (55:21):
Well, for one thing, I just realized I had muted
up and muted myself while I was went and sary
from the computer first second, and so I'm glad that
I've caught that before. You waited too long, I've done
that before. But you know, there was one point I
wanted to make too about I guess a couple of
quick points I have found a couple of stories of
accounts of experiences my research and everything where loved ones

(55:46):
would see people would see there the person that had passed,
sort of an apparition of them at the funeral home,
in and around the room where they're being viewed, and
or just on the poper And I'm really curious about
that because it makes me wonder does a funeral home

(56:07):
have to be haunted so to speak? Does there have
to be energy that's always there for there to be
activity like that that just comes and goes along with
the family and the individual, Because I think I can
get behind the idea just because of accounts I've heard
from people about having one experience in their home or

(56:27):
in their workplace and then nothing before or after ever again,
so I'm curious about that. We all think of those possibilities.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
Yeah, and real quick on that, just real fest. It
used to be too that they would process, you know,
the deceased in parlor like in a parlor in their home.
They would have like a room built for it. So
that's that's another like massive reason again trope wise or
idea wise, why those older homes are potentially more haunted

(56:57):
or whatever. But sorry, sorry to interrupt, Go ahead, Joe,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
It's a good point. I have an older story based
on that, and you know it's years old, and the
one doesn't mine. But I have a gentleman who was
a Native American and the last name was black Bear.
I'm just gonna say it. It's public, you know, it's
public information. And if I can remember the details, I've

(57:24):
said this story years ago. But there were always weird
things here there at the funeral. Not Washington's say always
they were with certain families and things. Not every family
had a weird experience. But alluding to what James getting
to a James statement, the one that jumps out at
me was, I mean, I have my sister in law,

(57:46):
which is a story I can tell later. You know,
it's not a happy, funny story. That's a sad story.
And this one here is kind of a story about love.
Since we're just going to jump into it, I'll just
recollect it. But this woman come in. She want to
do cremation for her husband. But sometimes funerals quite often

(58:08):
are like layers of an onion. You keep peeling them
back so you find out. So this guy passes away
and we're gonna cram in and the wife pays for
the cremation, and next thing you know, I've got sisters calling.
Sisters of the deceased are calling, and the calling from

(58:31):
out west. One of them, I believe, was on a
reservation or live in a reservation and things, and they
were calling and they wanted to stop the cremation because
they wanted to do burial and they wanted to have
him shipped out. This gets into the legality of things.
One sister in particular wanted to have him buried. So

(58:54):
I tell them he's married, and they're like, he's not married.
So now I got to go to the life and
I tell the wife, Hey, you know, what's the truth here,
and she says, well, we're married in the eyes of God.

Speaker 8 (59:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
So now here I am stuck trying to do the
right thing. I've got somebody that's paid for the cremation.
I literally have. It's the Department. It's a Department of
Interior for the United States government, but it's a representative
of the tribal nations. I don't remember the thing, and
I'm not hopefully offending anybody, but that gentleman had called

(59:32):
me saying, hey, we want to get this guy, you know,
moved and I basically said, who's going to pay for it?
Because it's thousands of dollars to do a barrel and
to do this, Who's going to pay for it? I says,
I've got somebody that pay for the cremation. Taken up
with the family and he backed off. But in the meantime,
as far as coincidence were concerned, I literally see a

(59:52):
license plate it says black bear. There was on the
news a black bear in one of the northern counties
here in Florida, which is not unheard of. But it's
the timing of things, like we say, timing and coincidence
or not. Then my daughter, who must have been five
or six, comes back from the library with my wife

(01:00:15):
and she's like, oh, I found books for you, and
it's a book. It was a book by Michael Sala
I think it was called a Warrior I've got to
do somewhere, And it's funny that it sticks out. I
never read the book, but I opened up the book
and it was about a Native American story. I don't
think it was a black bear, but it was a
Native American story. So then I got to say to myself,
what are the chances that I'm seeing all of these things.

(01:00:38):
Oh and by the way, the register book and things
that I was putting together in the room in a
display room where we have like the urns and things,
there was a book with an eagle. There was a
nature themed registered book. I had put it up and left.
The funeral coming the next morning, and the office manager

(01:00:59):
tells me, She's like, you know, I don't believe in
this stuff. But the light kept turning on in that
room over the display case. So I go walking in
there and I'm looking at the register books and I'm like, hey, Jill,
did you see a book or anything on the floor.
She's like no. And the book was upside down. It
had an ego on it, and the eagle was like

(01:01:21):
upside down. It was weird, man, it was weird. And
got the cremation done. It was a priest, a Christian
priest in the reservation wherever they were living in whatever
it was out west, and he accepted to take some
of the ashes and was accepting of that. So once

(01:01:42):
I felt that we got this religious acceptance the life
did something with part of his ashes here on some
sacred grounds, and the rest of his family was able
to do something with the ashes there. And when that
happened and I got him mailed out, those incidents stopped.

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
Yeah, and that again and James could talk more about
this is that sort of at rest right, like I said,
sort of a hovering consciousness, waiting for the moment when
it's okay to rest, it's okay to stop, sort of
meddling with what you expected or what you want before
you move. But a ton there, A ton there?

Speaker 6 (01:02:20):
What you got on that, James, Well, this is probably
maybe a good point to share something I brought up
to you earlier today. Mike post about an experience that
I found, and I'm just going to summarize. I'm not
going to read it all. Basically, there was someone that
made a post online. So there's different places online websites,

(01:02:43):
forums where people can post their experiences, and this one
person made a post saying they worked as an undertaker
and for a funeral home or near a funeral home,
and this one day they were the funeral home was
being moved the business of it, not the home but
the building, but the business was moving and they had

(01:03:06):
a room and I'm really actually curious about this. Once
I finished, Joe if you think any of this sounds
like it could be made up or whatever exaggerated. But
they had a room where unclaimed ashes of individuals were stored.

(01:03:27):
But of course the business was moving, so this undertaker
had to take care of the transfer, to pack the
boxes to bring them to the other location. And they
had headphones on and they were listening to the podcast.
They didn't see which one. They didn't say paranormal either,

(01:03:48):
so I'm guessing it probably wasn't that it could be. Well,
but it's funny because they said in the post a
couple of different times, I'm not into any of this
paranormal stuff, like they pointed out, you know. And so
they were taking the boxes they had their remains and
putting them in these storage bags, and of course I'm

(01:04:10):
guessing they were steel boxes, otherwise they wouldn't be putting
them in bags. And so at one point they went
and to put a box, and they had two bags,
and they had went to put a box in one
of the bags and then they just froze. They said
they felt like someone had taken taking control of their
body and just made it stop, and almost like they

(01:04:35):
felt like they in their mind heard someone say no
and they looked down at the boxes that they were
working with and transferring, and they noticed the one they
had just put in a bag had a name on it,
and first like a woman's name, first name in the

(01:04:55):
last name, and then the box they were going to
put in the other bag had a basically the word
baby and then the last name on this other box.
Of course, tragic situation, whatever happened. But what they figured
out is this happened when they were going to put

(01:05:16):
the box with the baby's remains in a separate bag
from the one with the mother's remains. And they've never
been in any of this before. Like I said, they
pointed out they'd never had an experience, but they didn't
peared on it before and never since, and they just
could not believe that this happened because they weren't thinking

(01:05:39):
about anything anomalous. They never had an experience with that before.
And so yeah, I was just saving that because I
was really curious, what do you think, Joe and everybody
thinks about that, because I think that's fascinating.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
Yeah, absolutely, that's a great one. Just real quick, just
as the timekeeper here get we're good on time. Pete
Chef Pete has had his hand up for a minute,
so let's make some time for him. But go ahead
and answer that, Joe, and we'll get him in here
in a second.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Yeah. No, No, that's that's a crapy one that I
haven't heard of. But you could tell that they're probably
telling the truth, because not a lot of people know
that when a baby or feed it depending on what happened,
if it was an accident or if they died in
child of birth, we don't know, but typically when the
hospital releases remains, it's usually baby, and then like baby

(01:06:26):
Smith or baby Dough, it's usually the baby and then
the last name of the family. And then when we
get to the funeral home if we're doing cremation and things,
the family could give the baby a name and adjust
that on if there's a fetal death certificate or regular
death certificate. But just based on what you've told me,
with that accuracy, you know, I wouldn't disbelieve the story.

(01:06:49):
It's kind of a creed. That's a creepy one, but
you know, one could say that that energy again was
surrounding for that long and probably kind of a shame
and scary because we do have a repository, not a repository,
I should say. But we do have a cabinet that
we'll hold on to cremative remains and we keep them inventory.
And what's a shame about that is they're unclaimed. And

(01:07:11):
that's more a shame than anything. So you're saying, that's
you telling me that story. If if I'm allowed to
have empathy, and that's the sarcastic joke, but if I'm
allowed to have empathy, I hope that when that person
passed away that they didn't feel cold and alone and
that that's not continuing, because that's where my head goes

(01:07:34):
right away, and maybe that's why I do this job.
You follow what I'm saying, Yes, definitely those ashes, those
ashes never came home, and that's just sad to begin.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
With, and that might be what.

Speaker 6 (01:07:47):
Definitely a lot there, and I agree, and I'm just again,
I've never found another account like that. I've found so
many accounts of people seeing things, hearing things in seeing
our homes, but that when and that I just found that,
like within the last few weeks, so interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
Timing on that synchronicity's are bound. Sometimes that's the way
these things work. All right, let's let's put a pause on.
Let's get let's get Cheff Pete in here, chop it
up with him for a second, get a question and
some other stuff. You guys are welcome to call again.
We're here with Joe and Florida the funeral director, James
at Salcido of course, Salcito paranormal, the paranormal expert of
Trouble Minds. We're just talking. We're just talking about ideas.

(01:08:26):
Looking at I'm calling it watched by the dead. What
funeral directors know? And if only you had a good
friend that's a funeral director that can answer some of
these questions. Well, we've got one here, So if you've
got questions, you're welcome to again. Steven O two nine one,
dear a three seven click the discord like a Trouble Minds.
We'll put you on the show. Easy is that. Let's
go to Cheff Pete. What's a brother? You're in Trouble
Minds with Mike and James and Joe. Go right ahead.

(01:08:49):
What's on your mind tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Hey guys, can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
Will load and clear? Do you sound great?

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Awesome?

Speaker 9 (01:08:56):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
I got an open ended question.

Speaker 10 (01:08:58):
I just my ad on my mind, and maybe Joe
might be the ant the bed and this is a
little bit of a morbid one. But do you see
any difference in activity when it comes to people who
die naturally like in their bed, or if there's a

(01:09:20):
violent death, or if there's a traumatic death. And I'm
just thinking, what does that look like when you're passing over?
And and do certain certain deaths than the stay over?

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
You know what I mean. Yeah, So if I'm hearing
you correctly, if it's more trauma, I mean, bot's face it,
we're dying, right, But if there's more trauma, uh, let's experience,
does that leave behind you know, a shadow?

Speaker 9 (01:09:56):
And I think.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
You know, James, they were got both answer that. I mean,
as far as the funeral home's concerned, have I seen
anything lingering in the funeral home that I funeral homes
that I worked at, there was always a general discomfort
of energy, you know, And I would go into work
and I would kind of clown around, probably because I

(01:10:19):
could and everything. But like the place that i'm that now,
like I said, it's very peaceful, it's very calm. I
don't really joke around. We do our job, we get
it done. And I've had trauma. I've seen people that
were traumatized in jail and the medical examiner says one thing,

(01:10:42):
but there's a private autopsy saying something else. I've seen
all of that, But when it cast a shadow at
a funeral home, I don't doubt that it would. In
the ones that I've seen, I don't think anything lingered.
Whether people die the sleep or they drive die dramatically.

(01:11:04):
You know, I would just see some energy here and there.
It wasn't with a lot of families. We'd see lights
flickering on and off, or coincidences, which again are synchronicities.
But if it gets into violent things, I had a
story about that with the Missouri State Penitentiary where I
didn't even know. I mean, I'm kind of getting on
a side note, but middle of the day, I'm visiting

(01:11:26):
my wife's cousin Missouri and we're driving in front of
the penitentiary because we're just driving around, just shortness around,
and I literally just see a shadow who just fall
out of the building. It looked like clothes, looked like
just a black shadow. And she's like, oh, that's She's like,
that's the penitentiary. And then come to find out that
it was like a haunted like murders and all kinds

(01:11:46):
of things happened there. And I literally saw that before
I knew it. You know, if that answers that, and
then I could tell you a story later on that
Michael knows, and that some of these people, you know,
some of them was who's here these people? Sorry, but
some of the folks here that have been listening, I
have heard about when my sister in law passed away

(01:12:07):
in Hawaii and I literally had things going on in
the house. I had things going on in the funeral
and that all kinds of things until again the ashes
were put to rest.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Yeah, and she may have died, you know, my sister law.
You know it was all it was a heart related issue.
The way I saw her and found her, I know
she experienced some pain, you know. And I think also
that people, you know, all of us, most of us,

(01:12:41):
you know what we see physically, we you know, if
we have empathy, we experience that like if if you
see something in a movie and you winch but it's
a movie, right, you get the desired effect. But then
there are people like me. I hate to say it,
but because it's not like I asked for it, But
I have had people look at me and say, you're open,

(01:13:02):
like you're like force I hate to use the bullshit
you know thing, but you're like force sensitive, you know,
because in my family it runs when we hear the
knocking and things like that. But it's a good question,
it's a fair question. And then what I would have
to tell you is this. Sometimes I think that when

(01:13:23):
we're in the agile, we're dying. You know, if if
you choose, if we are taken out in our sleep,
maybe that's the best death that we don't know. It's
an unexpected, unattended death. We pass away our sleep, there's
not a lot of pain and we just go. But
a majority of the deaths or we linger from a disease,

(01:13:47):
whether it's a stroke, all Azheiber's comb whatever, Okay, we linger.
What I do see more times than not is that
when the family leaves the room, a lot of times
a person passes away, which in my own mind, to
justify that, I think that maybe at the end of

(01:14:09):
the line, I hate to say, God, but whatever's there, okay,
maybe gives us a little bit of power just to
kind of stick around and choose where do we have
to cross over. If that makes any sense.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
You know what, that makes a lot of sense, because
I will say this, when my grandmother passed, my paternal
grandmother passed, she hung on sort of my maternal grandmother
because we lived that a state and we had to

(01:14:49):
travel in because they were like, hey, listen, it's happening.
And I got up to New York and my paternal
grandmother lasted another two weeks, so we got to see
her and hang out and bullshit, and then when she
was done, she let go.

Speaker 10 (01:15:11):
And then my maternal grandmother she waited until the day
after I got there and me and my wife got there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
To pass and it was just my grandmother's my grandfather's
just passed. They just they just went. They were like, yeah,
we're good.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
I was gonna say you one of the why because
because we're guys, and we're like, like, man, I don't
need to be around here anymore. Let me just get
out of here, you know, just because we're guys. You know, baby,
maybe the women know of I'm just totally joking, but
maybe the women like to see him suffer a little more,
like he didn't cry enough and hit him cry, you know,
stop it but here's the thing, you know, here, here's

(01:15:55):
the thing, if it's going to give you, if it's
just to everybody, you know, I'm a recovering Catholic, but
what you have seen and what you've experienced is akin
to yourself. But the fact that you're asking me this question,
because I see it time and time again on the
other side of that table, should tell you at the

(01:16:17):
least that there's something else going on that we don't see.
And to me, that kind of gives me hope that
you know, when I go somewhere wherever it is that
I go, I can still play ice hockey and you know,
go out dancing and do some crazy stuff and you know,

(01:16:37):
to go to a strip club you know, in or
whatever the heck it is, you know in the matrix,
That's what I kind of hope for, right But you know,
joking aside what you've seen, other people have experienced. They
may not talk about it, but other people have experienced it.
And again, to justify it, in my mind, it's because

(01:17:00):
our creator or whatever that is, I think gives us
that grace period. If that's a good way to word.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
Final flat b rap I think d time good, Okay, okay, no, no, no,
go ahead, go ahead at about thirty seconds, just to
let you know, wind it up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Oh, okay, okay.

Speaker 10 (01:17:18):
And then the other thing is do you think, and
this is an open question again, do you think how
you choose to go out, whether it be in the ground,
through the crematorium, on a funeral pyre, do you think
it makes a difference.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
It doesn't. Here's why, because ashes to ashes does the dust.
So what the earth does and we get discuss that
after the break, But what the earth does in years
and years of putting concrete and not a little the
ground and fluid in the ground, the crematory just does
that in two to four hours. That's the way you
have to picture that. Okay, we're just a shell. We're done,

(01:17:59):
so you get your pre arrangement stunt. You want crebation,
ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Very good questions.

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
You're the best brother. Appreciate you. That's a Pete in
Georgia via New York. Obviously you're the best brother. Thanks
for staying up late with us. Thanks for the great questions.
And by the way, one of the questions you asked
was on my list exit to ask, so I'm glad
you did it right with Joe tonight, the funeral director
in Florida, James the south Sea Expert, the paranormal expert
of Trouble Minds, and yours truly talking about well what

(01:18:31):
we don't know? If you're at back more trouble Minds
on the way, don't go anywhere. We got to questions
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(01:19:01):
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(01:19:22):
this ecosystem, the Troubled Mind's ecosystem, for literally years seven
is years six and a half. It's been a very
long time, and it's good to make friends with open
minds that are very smart different walks of life and
look at things, you know, a little bit differently, a
little bit the same. And that's why it's important that
people talk to each other and not running into this,

(01:19:42):
you know, the censorship regimes of the modern space that
try and echo the old ways. Hey, can we echo
the old ways in the best ways and make tomorrow
the best of where we came from? That's what this
has always been about. But that aside. Tonight we're talking.
I'm calling this watched by the dead. What funeral direc know? Well,
if only we knew a funeral director, and we do.

(01:20:04):
We get Joe and Florida with us tonight. A question
coming in from Robert just to let you guys know,
so we'll get to him momentarily. James, anything to add
real quick. We'll go back to Joe and then we
get a question from Robert. Welcome back, gentlemen, thanks for
peeling out of time for us, sharing your ideas and
your expertise. And James, welcome back to the joint. What's
on your mind? Go ahead?

Speaker 6 (01:20:23):
Yeah, a great con from Chef p I did want
to add too to that. I haven't heard so much
about these things. The words are heard the way in
which the person passes having an effect on the funeral
home so much as I have heard of that having
an effect on the place where they passed or their

(01:20:48):
home in some cases with those places, yea, and so
I And again not to say that's not possible, just
based on all the accounts of experiences I re reading
and hear out, it's more to do with the important
locations in the person's life usually than it is the

(01:21:09):
actual pianial home. Not that I'm putting down the piano
home at all. I'm just saying in terms of paniom
my activity, it's it's more laid to those places from
what I've heard.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
Go ahead, you got anything on that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
No, I mean it's true. I'm writing something down from
Chef Pete that he just posted because I think I'm
gonna have family going over to Savannah, so I might
have the pan visit. Uh there's chocolate thing here. But
but yeah, that's what I was kind of alluding to
with that story about the about the the prison, you know,

(01:21:41):
when I was in Missouri, just to kind of get
a more more detail that story. Again, We're driving around
and I'm talking to somebody in the car and my
kids through the whole families in the car, and I
woke up and I'm like, did anybody just see that?
And the prison's been sitting empty, there's nobody in the area,
and it just looked like somebody threw a bag of
or something out of like the third or fourth story

(01:22:04):
of that prison. And when I started looking up that
prison bit of murders in that prison, I think people
had escaped the prison and were committing murders of the town.
At one point in time. It was pretty wild. So
again in Prince, you know, there's always in prints. I
had there's a story that I have written in there.

(01:22:24):
I don't know how long we're going to go with
the show. But even in my own house, somebody and
we didn't know this, but somebody passed away in this
house and the neighbors kind of didn't really talk to
us at first, and you know now, and they were
talking and I've heard two stories about somebody passing away here,
and I didn't know any of that. However, my mother

(01:22:47):
and myself, you know, we had seen like shadow out
of the corner of my eye. My mom definitely thought
she saw somebody, but there was something going on here. However,
my kids the front rooms and they don't ever wake
up complaining about anything, So who knows? All right, But yeah,

(01:23:07):
residual energy. I think we've always you know, I think
we all believe in that. I think a shadow on imprints.
The thing that I don't get is why repeats like
a movie film, like if they're stuck. That's what's really weird.
And it also why do ghost have clothes? Because I
don't think our clothes have a soul. And that's just

(01:23:27):
my ADHD brain running about why do we see people
with clothes on?

Speaker 6 (01:23:32):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
Do I see all my ghosts naked? And what I
really want to see that?

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
Anyway, I think that's a whole that's a whole like
deep energy thing, and we could probably do a whole
show on that, like why do ghosts wear clothes? And
because here's just a quick theory and then we got
some questions here, we're going to go to some questions.
But the deal is this right to me? It's part
of your identity. And I talk about identity a lot, right,
And so you know, Michael Strange by Dark of Knight

(01:23:58):
is this weird guy that's into these weird eyes ideas
Michael Stranger by day is a you know, very professional,
you know, quite as much as possible. And you know
what I mean, so like and fractured identities all the
things we're always talking about and reality anchors and all
the things. But I think I think our identity is
part of that energy. And so let's say, if you
spend your time, you know, in uh, white T shirts

(01:24:21):
and jeans your whole life, I think your ghosts would
probably show up in white T shirts and jeans. And
that's probably part of identity, part of the resonant energy
of identity itself. If you guys got a quick take
on that, well we got questions from the Robert Tanda
from David as well, but go ahead, good, we real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
So then you just made me think about it. Well,
how about the ghosts aren't appearing here? How about if
it's just a message from the main computer basically just
sending that signal into our brain, like basically like aliens
kind of telepathy. How about it? You know, if the ghosts,
you know, are real, but they're not sitting here like

(01:25:00):
in my house really, but they're where the wherever they are,
but they want to be remembered, So they just kind
of tickle your brain, if that makes sense. So when
they tickle your brain, the memory comes out as a smell,
which I've had experience with, or a vision because they're
wearing clothes.

Speaker 4 (01:25:16):
Yeah, well I got to take on that, James, and
we'll go to some questions. Yeah, just real quick on that.

Speaker 6 (01:25:22):
I think the identity is part of it, and that's
can go as far as even some persons have appeared
to the family members younger than they were when they passed.
In other words, in younger the way they maybe thought
of themselves as being in their own mind or going

(01:25:43):
back to a point that they identify with more than
they did their older selfs. So all possibilities there as well.

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
Yeah, and that's what this is about, by the way, possibilities.
And remember though, all the disclaimers apply no truth, and
that's why this is a refreshing conversation from everywhere else.
There's a lot of propaganda there. There's a lot of
everybody knows the truth. But think about it this way.
If everybody knows the truth, then and it's all different
than what the hell does that mean? Welcome to troubled minds,
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We'll put you on the show. It's as simple as that.
Thanks for being patient. Friends. Let's go to the Roberts
in Virginia. What's up, my man? You're on Trouble Minds.
How are you? Just unmutes and go right ahead? What
do you got for? Whoever's here? And uh, welcome back?

Speaker 5 (01:26:31):
All right? Can you hear me loud and clear?

Speaker 4 (01:26:33):
You sound great?

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:26:37):
Have any of you ever heard of and watched a
CBS community series called Ghosts?

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
I saw, Yeah, I saw a couple of episodes of
it and actually enjoyed it, but I frittished, like probably
after the first four or five episodes.

Speaker 6 (01:26:58):
Oh yeah, very a little bit of it.

Speaker 5 (01:27:00):
And there's a there's a there's a bit in there
that identifies with the idea of clothing that we basically
wear the clothes that we died in. Like for example,
one of the ghosts, uh, he was teaching an archery
class and one of the students accidentally discharged his arrow

(01:27:20):
into his throat and that's how he died. How he
walks around and he walks around the whole whole show
with the arrow in his neck as that's and and
then there's the guy who thought who his head was
accidentally chopped off the sword fell from a ceiling. They

(01:27:41):
all died in this one place, this one estate, and
he a sword fell off off the wall and decapitated him.
So he runs around the the dwelling headless, but his
head is always somewhere. It's on the floor and it's

(01:28:03):
talking to it's it's just hilarious and.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
And right, I personally haven't seen it. I saw that
the commercial, the trailer or whatever that was, and I
saw that the arrow and the guy's head or whatever.
I was like, that seems cool, but I never caught
up to watch him.

Speaker 5 (01:28:19):
So so yes, it's it's it's you gotta you gotta
catch a few episodes of it because it's only half
an hour. But and it's hilarious, but you really can't
appreciate unless you like go on to the stream service.
I guess it's paramount watching, Yeah, and watching from the
beginning question for Gerald, do you believe that when you

(01:28:45):
pass away you'll go to some kind of afterlife?

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
You know? I oscillate on that, but probably seventy percent
of the time, I say yes. Now, do I believe
it we'll be ring card? I say yes, So I
think I know what that looks like the afterlife.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Do you want to have us know? You know?

Speaker 5 (01:29:09):
Yeah, But if we're obviously sitting here thinking about well,
when Joe's time comes and he passes on, I wonder
if all the people that will greet him are the
people that he took care of in his funeral.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
Prob So, thank you, thank you for putting yourself in
my shoes, because I have to tell myself that like
almost like you're coming out and you know what you're
coming out of the You're coming out of the tunnel
to get on the ice. So you're coming out of
the tunnel to get on the field. And all of
the people that know you or that you treated their

(01:29:48):
family right, you know, I mean, things aren't done for free.
We charge what we charge. But I know in good
conscience I can sleep at night now right, So yes,
some times I believe that at the end I might
have that chance to experience that whatever that will look like.

Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
You know, And when you passed, Joe, do you think
that you'll hang around long enough to see how well
the the individual that's preparing you, uh for service.

Speaker 4 (01:30:23):
I knew that question.

Speaker 5 (01:30:25):
Are you going to look at him and critically and
see it? Well, now you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
No, No, I totally do, because I'll totally do because
here's how come, uh, there is a downturn in the
quality of people they're doing this business. And I had
told this to Michael on Saturday. You know, not that
I have great power, but I didn't intend to be
a funeral director. I didn't intend to do this, but

(01:30:52):
it was put upon me and I have for now
been doing it. And every time I want to get out,
I get a compliment. It's not money. Every time I
want to get out, there's a letter, there's a compliment
from my boss, which you know, they could be blowing smoke,
but they're not because I have a very good reputation.
And then families also give them comments, so you know

(01:31:17):
there's something to be to be said about that. Whereas
the quality of people that are coming out of the school,
and Mike and I have this conversation, I am repeating myself,
but sometimes they do it because they think it's cool
to play with dead things. And the reality is the
majority of the job is not playing with dead things.

(01:31:38):
It's respecting the living and helping them to move forward.
If that answers or helps me answer that question.

Speaker 5 (01:31:45):
Okay, a personal thing, a person's story, if I'm i
to take a few minutes, I am really confused by
this concremation. I see, you know, it used to be
something rare, but now it seems like it's everybody's in
that direction. And like, for example, my sister when she passed,

(01:32:06):
all right, because they were she had no insurance, her
daughter didn't have sufficient funds to purchase a plot and
and and go through the whole ritual with a casket
and stuff, and she is going to have her cremated,
and that is beat. I just couldn't handle that. So,

(01:32:29):
you know, that's my sister. So I forwarded the money
to make sure she was proper given proper to her
rest in a you know, grave and tombstone and casket,
the whole nine yards, all right. And this is the
reason why if she would have been you know, when
people are cremated, all right. And I'm sure there's other

(01:32:53):
people who there are people who for her to be
have it that way, and there's people who just can't
afford anything better. But when that happens, you know, and
the ashes unless they're spread, If the ashes are returned,
it and earned, and it's put up in the mantle,
and a generation goes by, another generation goes by, all right,
and so sooner or later, what's in that vase doesn't

(01:33:16):
mean anything to anybody, right, all right. So that's the
reason that it drove me crazy when it came when
I found that was what was she planning for? My
sister is And I tried to explain her, you've got
the business of putting somebody in the ground with a stone,
is that it's somebody that you in your lifetime, at

(01:33:37):
least in your lifetime. You can go and see, you
can go and lay flowers on the grave, and you
can mourn, you know, it's part of the morning process, yes,
all right, and maybe three generations from now that grave
won't mean anything to anybody, but if you know it
just that's my feeling that now, and so.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
I am with you on that. But my job is
to give the family the facts. Now, a lot of
people do cremation in the Catholic Church. And when people
tell me, and I did, my personal opinion quite often
when I'm counseling or talking with the family, But you
are correct, I tell families, what are you planning to

(01:34:27):
do with cremated remains? You know, the place that I
work at now is predominantly Catholic business, and while the
evaticating in the church except cremation, they really like you
to place the cremated remains somewhere so at the minimum.
You know, we could disagree on burial of a casket

(01:34:48):
or burial of an earned but to me, the endpoint
is having a stone or having a name there through time,
through time, immemorialm says that we existed. And you're right.
I mean that in my opinions may be a little
bit different about why we would do it. But again,
you could go someplace to grieve it says I existed.

(01:35:10):
You know, I have You know people do they have
cremated remains in the house. And it's like and it
was one of my selling points. It wasn't it wasn't
so much as a guilt thing. It was I would
tell a family they were pre arranging so they had
time to plant it. Family would come in, they're looking
to do cremation. I wanted to sell right because I
was a sales guy at the time. I'm like, what

(01:35:32):
are you going to do with the ashes when you're done? Oh,
we don't know. We're going to talk to our kids.
I said, why don't you talk to your kids and
get back to me before we write it. Like I
would tell them, don't give me the money, come back
to me and tell me what you want to do,
and maybe I'll cut and maybe I'll cut you a dealer,
So here was the day. I would kind of a
deal what they didn't know, and it was and it
was an innocent deal. So they would come back. They'd

(01:35:53):
be like, you know what, what do you got in
the cemetery. So I'd show them some niches and different prices.
But I would tell them, look, i'll get you know,
you pay full price for one cremation. I'll discount the
other cremation and you could still pay you know, you
put your full price. Whatever, we work a deal out
for them. It was a win for me. It was
a win because when you sold cemetery you actually got

(01:36:15):
quite commissioned twice on it. So I'd rather sell the
cemetery right and lose a little bit of money on
the funeral services and still get the deal. In the words,
I wasn't greedy if I went, if I let one
hundred bucks walk out the door, I still brought in
four hundred. Well I got lost. You know.

Speaker 5 (01:36:36):
That's that's why your destiny was driven to what you're
doing now. You said, like you didn't plan on this, Uh,
it was planned for you, probably because you were the
kind of you'd be, the kind of person in an
occupation like that who really had compassion for the people
that are that hire your services as opposed to uh,

(01:36:59):
you know corp exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:37:05):
And another thing about have you ever thought of doing
a podcast?

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
Yeah, but for me, like I said, my Mike knows
and you know, Robert two because I know you could
be a little political, and I respect that. I think
we're probably on the same side of a lot of things,
but it probably lean more political. And I'm going to
tell you why I really don't want to do a
podcast about death, because there's a lot of people doing it,

(01:37:30):
and they're doing it for the wrong reasons. And I'm
still in the industry, and I know people that don't
have a good reputation in the industry or they just
get up there to flub and it's constant content. It's
constant content. And like you know, Mike comes on the
show when he has a good idea, and sometimes Mike,

(01:37:51):
you don't do a show on some night.

Speaker 4 (01:37:53):
Sometimes you do do a show, and we all try
to contrigure and sometimes and sometimes I don't have a
good idea at all, Just to be clear.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
But sure not out there actively maybe going down a
rabbit hole. We shouldn't go with certain things that you
and I talked about on Saturday that might be discussed
on Rumble, right. So yeah, I thought about a podcast,
but if I did it, you know, my day job
is my friend scene.

Speaker 5 (01:38:19):
Look, I've seen it, I've seen I've the algorithm. A
while back, I was coming up with a podcast cost
called Ask I'm a Mortician, where this mertician, Catlan Doherty,

(01:38:39):
you know, explain it went into all the details. You know,
it would be a different subject each time and she
would start to explain this and explain that, and I
thought it was fascinating. One more thing before I go,
One more thing before I go. When you have cremation
and you have the asses on the mantle, all right,

(01:39:03):
the idea of talking to that earn, you know, as
opposed to going to a grave site. And you know, people,
everybody I do, right, go to the gravesite and have
a conversation, all right with deceased. Right, it's a little
bit different at the graveside than I imagine talked them

(01:39:24):
to an urn.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
I would say so too, you know, because it's what
you're say in private life versus what you say, you
know in public. People in public always give the eulogy,
and most of the time they always give, you know,
the going review of somebody's life. But you and me, right,

(01:39:46):
we're all real people here, and I know that I've
had ups and downs in my relationship. And I'm sure
that my wife would tell me a different story if
my ashes were sitting on the mantelpiece than if she
did in public, just like we have real life goes
in the closet. It now that we don't talk about
in public. It's the same thing. You know, I think,

(01:40:06):
if I'm hearing you correctly, excuse me, I think that
conversation would be different.

Speaker 5 (01:40:11):
So yes, okay, well i'm i'm, I'm, you've, you've He'll
be a lot with your with your responses to my questions,
and and now I'll sign off and let somebody else
come in.

Speaker 4 (01:40:24):
You're the best, Robert, appreciate the call. Thanks for staying
in play with us always a pleasure, and we'll talk
to you soon and have a great night. Thank you
very much. The Roberts, you know you know you love
him again, a mentor of mine, a mentor of us.
All go check out his book Trouble Minds. I wrote
force my friend. Scroll down. It's the Roberts Stories from
a Fracture of Mind and Robert Collections. He's the first
guy that sent me a book that he wrote. No,

(01:40:45):
James did it too, But if you guys write books,
send him to me. I'll read him. And not only that, Uh,
it's good. Like We've got a lot of talented people.
James's book is good, Robert's book is good. Please please
help each other. And this is again not stamp on
each other's faces to compete. Let's help each other together.
That's the whole point by Robert's book, Trouble Minds, rog Fords,

(01:41:06):
Lize friends. Scrolled down the Robert click it. It's on Amazon.
You know you could buy it tonight, get it tomorrow,
just like James's book. Thanks again for peeling out the time, James,
and always being the glue of the show and the
rock here that brings me back and contributes. And hang tight, David,
we are not going to get to you. You got
as much time as you need when we get back.
James has been quite from anything to add to what

(01:41:27):
Robert said and what Joe was saying. James, all you
and we got about a couple of minutes left, and
thanks for being patient and the glue of the show
as usual.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
Oh, no problem.

Speaker 6 (01:41:36):
I don't really have any sort of personal views and everything.
I'm kind of at this point now with everything I do.
I've heard so many different views that I haven't really
decided what my views are on a lot of things yet.
I will say that some accounts of experiences I found,
it doesn't matter so much if it's an urn in
a home or a grave in a cemetery. Sometimes there's

(01:42:00):
paranormal activity around those those objects in those places. Other
times there's not. So I just want to point that
out there, that you can have weird things happening in
homes or in burial sites, and but then the other
times nothing will happen. It's just really odd how all

(01:42:20):
this works. And that's why no one has figured it
out yet because there's no no one pattern that that
seems to govern everything.

Speaker 4 (01:42:29):
Yeah, it's weird. The whole thing is weird. And this
is why once again, sort of fractal information or anecdotes
scattered to the wind and into history is you know,
like ridiculed. But I mean imagine again, I know, I get,
I get, I get accused of being a robot. Mike's
way too into AI. But remember, by the way, with

(01:42:50):
the AI stuff, the very first line of this show
is Stephen Hawking talking about AI will spell spell the
end of the human race. It's very much a part
of this show. It's very much a part of my
interest and kind of synthesizing these ideas. But if you're
able to take that scattered to the wind information and
bring it back into the modern space, somehow the fractals

(01:43:14):
rebuild them from the places we came from. I think
there's something magical that we could discover about our past.
And again what is that? I don't know. As usual, Look,
I don't have those answers, but I think this is
important to talk about. I think it's again, Look, I'm
blessed and I'm honored to have such smart, amazing friends
that are part of this, that show up and bring

(01:43:36):
ideas regardless of how ridiculous I can be. I can
be ridiculous, but we're here and so thank you again.
Special thanks to Joe for peeling out some time showing
up and he's off tomorrow, so that's part of it.
That's why we schedule it today. A special thanks to
James for always being here and being the rock of
the show, the glue of the show, and each and

(01:43:56):
every one of you thanks for staying to play with us. Look,
we're talking about passing this mortal coil? What does it mean?
What does it mean to you? What does it mean
to me? Let's talk about it and how weird does
this get? We got David eighty seven coming up and
your calls as well. What do you know about haunted spaces?

(01:44:19):
What do you know about the funeral director? Who is
our dear friend? Be right back more Trouble Minds on
the way, don't go anywhere more with Joe, more with James,
David on the road, and your calls coming up, be
right back more.

Speaker 8 (01:44:31):
On the way.

Speaker 4 (01:44:53):
Welcome back to Trouble Minds, all the places, all the things,
YadA YadA. I'm Michael Strange. We're here with Joe forward
it tonight a funeral director. We're here with James the
paranormal export of troubled minds. So I'm calling this watched
by the dead? What funeral directors know? You would expect
them to see some things that the rest of us
probably don't see. Yeah, right, So let's talk about it.

(01:45:16):
Not only that, how fractal does this get? How weird
is the ideas as? The idea plural squared, et cetera.
How weird does this get? And what do we know
about this mortal coil? That's what's up my mind tonight.
There's a lot going on here again. Thanks to the
good friends that have been good friends for a very
long time. You know who you are, and thanks for

(01:45:38):
supporting the show and caring about the ideas. Shout out
to Poncho Zorch. He said, yeow, yes, indeed I did,
real quick. James, anything to add it? We'll go to
let's get the question from David, he's been waiting for
a long time, and then we'll go back to Joe.
So James, eure up anything to continue, and then we'll
go to the call and back to Joe.

Speaker 6 (01:45:58):
Oh, nothing right now, I've kind of gone over most
of what I had, so hopefully you all will help
me come up with More's out the rest of the show.

Speaker 4 (01:46:06):
Here, you bet your Bippy, I'm your Huckleberry. Absolutely, let's
do it. Seven or two nine one zero three seven.
Click to discord link at troubleminds dot org will put
you on the show. It's as easy as that's and
let's do the thing. It's cool that discord has kind
of become the way to do this and not the
phone line anymore, the old technology. David in nineteen eighty seven,

(01:46:26):
what's her brother? Welcome back? How are you tonight? And
what's on your mind? Regarding the topic here.

Speaker 9 (01:46:31):
Yeah, I've had some experiences lately where I've been seeing
more shadows. And it's a little odd, I guess, because
I've seen them past over past decade, but now I've
been seeing them more often, and I think it might
be the situation I'm in now where I'm taking care

(01:46:52):
of my father and he's old. He's eighty five, and
he's got dementia and he's you know, he's getting close
to the end, and so I have been talking to
him lately, and I didn't know this, but he recently
told me that the latest wife passed away in the

(01:47:14):
home in bed, and so I was like the less interesting.
I thought that might have something to do with the
shadows I've been seeing. But it turns out I've been
seeing two shadows. We're over the past decade, but now
a lot more, having a lot more recently where I've
been able to test and see that you know, this

(01:47:37):
is what I'm actually seeing and.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
Sae.

Speaker 9 (01:47:43):
For instance, I'll be waking up in the mornings and
my room's dark, and my door is closed to my room,
and outside the door in the hallway there's a little
bit of light coming in under the door, and the
second I get up bed, there's two shadows that go
through the door, and I think we'll get someone else up,

(01:48:06):
as my father walking down the hallway with his walker,
and I go and look out out my door and
checking nobody's up, No way's anywhere. This happens about every
morning practically, and and so I kind of laugh because
I think you guys are talking about spirits wearing clothing,

(01:48:26):
and I think that they leave my room, these two spirits,
because I don't sleep with clothing on when I get
out of bed, they're they're they're leaving pretty quickly because
I'm not I'm not worrying.

Speaker 4 (01:48:40):
Yeah, it is weird though, right, regarding that idea of
identity and how maybe this spirit would sort of adopt it,
And I wonder too. Let's say, for instance, and it's
a good example, and I'm sorry about your father. That's horrific.
I've I've been through, uh, that very similar thing with
my grandmother. We took care of her to the very end,
and you know, dementia and it is it is just

(01:49:02):
horrific to deal with. So I'm sorry you're dealing with that.
I'm sorry for your father, and just a situation. And
in that space, there's this bizarre aspect of trauma. And
let's say that for instance, let's say, and this is
just a just a theory, just throwing it out there,
Let's say there's an extended period of dementia, right, it's

(01:49:25):
maybe goes on ten years or something or something like that.
I think in terms of identity, and when somebody passes
on with that level of trauma in that space, do
you think they would sort of show up in sort
of a hospital gown or do you know what I mean,
sort of the hospice space that they were in or whatever,
you know what I mean. So even though they were
like identified as the white T shirt and the jeans

(01:49:46):
like I described earlier, do you think at some point
it does turn and then maybe the trauma becomes that
identity and then you see them, you know, in a
hospital rope. What's your take on that? What do you think?

Speaker 9 (01:50:00):
Yeah? I think it might be the state of mind
and you know, wherever the most of your emotions are at.
If you know and now before you pass, I think
then maybe that's what sticks with you. Yeah, it's as
good as gusts as any I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:50:18):
Yeah, I didn't expect to really know, but I mean
that's what That's what we're doing here, is guesting together,
which is the whole beauty of the show. You got
questions for James or Joe or anything else, go ahead
and continue. If you've got more on that. Thank you
for waiting a long time. You waited a long time.

Speaker 9 (01:50:31):
Yeah, I guess the question would be, Ah, what do
you guys think that that would be? These shadows I'm seeing,
are they they could be uh, they could be spirits
of family. I guess I don't know, so.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
It brings something to mind for me. Uh but yeah, family,
maybe they're in comfort you to let you know what
you're not alone, because here's the thing, you know. First
of all, you know it is a difficult thing to
deal with, so bless you for doing that. It's a struggle,

(01:51:06):
but it's an honor if you're able to do that
and take care of your dad. But you've better watch
out for yourself. Also. I just had it recently with
a good friend of mine that he took care of
his mom. Can't get into the details, we don't even
have time for it, but he suffered and his mom suffered.
I mean, there's no doubt she finally passed away and

(01:51:27):
is a peace. But he had nobody helping him, his
families that kind of turned against him. Without all of
these details, but with you, two things come to mind.
Either there's family there hopefully maybe making sure you're okay,

(01:51:47):
or it could be that and this is a dream.
I'll keep it brief, but my parents had little alf
little adult family care home that day you had years
and years and years ago, and I was living at
a set house away from them, and they had the business,
and I woke up one day I had a dream
that there were two angels that were tall, couldn't really

(01:52:08):
see their faces, but they were like ten eleven feet tall,
and they had a gentleman. The gentleman was on his
knees and they were dragging him by the arms, and
it was on a grass field, but there was like
a brick wall and a gateway or a big door entryway,
and the comment was made, he's not really wanting to come,
so we'll have to come take him by force. So

(01:52:30):
I told my mom that dream. In the morning, one
of their clients was in the hospital and everything was fine,
and that gentleman was supposed to be released later that day.
He was supposed to be released back to his wife
later that day, and all of a sudden, later that day,
that gentleman, you can't say it was unexpected. I mean,

(01:52:51):
he was elderly, but he had a heart attack. And
you kind of equate the dream and taking them by
force too to the heart attack. If there was such
a connection with you, I would like to believe if
the hairs that staying in the back of your neck
and you're seeing this as a constant and depending on
what time you get up in the morning, because things

(01:53:13):
start to happen after three in the morning, we hear
those things, but also when you get up in the morning.
Even me, I'm a night person, but when I get
up in the morning, I've made it a habit trying
to really pick up the phone and look at things.
Your mind is typically clear when you're kind of waking up,
it's fresh, so maybe you are for sure seeing things.

(01:53:36):
I would like to believe that that's just maybe a
signal that there's things around and you need to keep
an eye on yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:53:46):
Well said, Well said what us you got, David? Thanks again,
welcome back. Like I said, it's been a minute. Thanks
for being patient with us tonight. I know you wait
a long time. Like I said, there's a lot here,
there's a lot in play as usual in terms of ideas,
an emotion. And again, like I said, I know you're
going through a hard moment right now with dad. That
that is horrific. Like I said, I've been through with

(01:54:07):
a grandma. It is not the best.

Speaker 2 (01:54:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:54:09):
Yeah, my sister is helping out a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
But I apologize. What can I make a comment that
might help you? Sure? Okay, So my buddy. He wasn't
getting the responsible hospice because it was time. And I
don't know how far along she is, but at the
end when family was helping, God bless you for having
family help because it's not an easy thing. I've seen

(01:54:32):
it a lot obviously, but you might need to get
your doctor. And I don't know what state you live in,
because I had to pull strings for my friend. I
literally called the hospitals liaison that I talked to after
there's deaths and I said, hey, look, I had a friend.
He needs help because nobody's calling him back. And she
was able to go up the chain and he had help.

(01:54:55):
He had help. It wasn't all day help, but he
had help maybe bathing, cleaning and things so that he
could get a break. I don't know how far along
he's on that path, but you have to watch it,
you know, not to be cold and matter of fact,
but you still have your life, you still have another
chapter to go, so you have to watch yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:55:17):
That's all.

Speaker 9 (01:55:17):
Yeah, he's he's he's having a hard time walking, so
he's not going outside anymore. He's yeah, he's he's getting close.

Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:55:29):
Yeah, that's that's that's horrible. Yeah, easy, you hang in
there too, because, like like Joe said, you got you
got to take care of yourself. This is this is
not just a clearly a very difficult time for him,
it's a very difficult time for you. So those limital
spaces we always talk about, hold the identity, be the
best you can be in all that space. And yeah,
fire stuff. What else you got for all James or

(01:55:50):
anybody else here?

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
Oh that's it.

Speaker 9 (01:55:53):
Thank you, you guys, have a good night.

Speaker 4 (01:55:55):
You're the best. I appreciate the call. Welcome back to
the thing. That's a David nineteen eighty seven. Let me
know if you got a project going and we can
help you with and I'd love to do that. Okay, sure,
yeah right, keep your mind. Thanks, thank you, you're the best.
Appreciate you very much. David in Utah, nineteen eighty seven.
And yeah, this is a He's one of the ones
I talked about as part of that invisible process. He's

(01:56:16):
I don't know if he's still a truck driver, but
he was at least in that capacity. Like I said,
I was too, that invisible process. And this is why
it resonates with me so deeply. When Joe does what
he does. People don't. People don't think about when you
go to the grocery store, it's just there truck drivers, okay,
Or when somebody passes that it just happens that the

(01:56:39):
processing of that, you know, mortal coil transaction happens. Yeah,
there's a lot of things happening in this world that
people don't think about, people don't talk about, they just
expect it to be. And of course I'm talking about
the West. There's other places in the world where this
is I mean, you know, throw bodies in the river
or whatever. But James, anything to add to any of
that's and then we'll go back to Joe. And I've

(01:57:01):
got some questions for Joe too that I have a
holist of questions that I've never asked him that I
want to ask him. But James, anything on that, and
then we'll get back to Joe and some of these
other tales.

Speaker 6 (01:57:12):
Yeah, I just wanted to mention that apparitions or experiences
before and and after and again sorry to hear about
that what's going on with David's father, but experiences before
and during and after someone's passing, not just from the

(01:57:37):
individual that is passing, but there are people that are
around them are very very common overall. It's one of
those things that I find in my research fairly often,
and it's I think it is important to take care
of yourself. Again, like Joe was saying, why you're going

(01:57:58):
through all this, I did see that with my own
grandparents as each as each one of them passed, it
was there was family that were helping take care of them,
and then there was the rest of the family that
was just trying to help and take care of everyone
involved with that that that helping take care of them.
So and I'm lucky that, you know, in this case,

(01:58:19):
I have a big family, so there was plenty of
people to help out. I helped out in small ways
at different times. So yeah, just but these these the paranormal,
the unexplained, the afterlife, spirits, ghosts, whatever consciousness, they do
come around. And sometimes it appears to be relatives, sometimes

(01:58:42):
it's it's hard to tell, and other times it's others.
And but all all that does happen in and around
that time.

Speaker 4 (01:58:51):
Yeah, well said real quick on dementia, and how how
difficult that is. My grandma when she was going through
this like that, she was deep into it and she
recognized my face, but she didn't remember my name, and
she would be she would get so excited when she
saw me, and she would call me Bobby. My name
is Mike, obviously, I mean, that's my real name, Mike.

(01:59:11):
But she she would just get so so excited that
I was there and she'd say Bobby. And it's like
it's like it's like that heartbreaking aspect of how well
where we're heading, I mean, and again hopefully look and
this is this is one of the again the beautiful
things about modern science, about modern medicine, about even like

(01:59:32):
I said, I know, there's a lot of heights out
there that like why is this guy always talked about AI?
Because we're gonna be able to put patterns together that
we've missed forever. That's why interdisciplinary research that might be
able to cure this stuff or at least alleviate that trauma.
It's a it is it's horrific. If you've been through it,

(01:59:53):
it is horrific. Okay, Joe, I got questions for you.
But if you want to get to some some other things,
so they're experiences or what have you got?

Speaker 3 (02:00:02):
This?

Speaker 4 (02:00:02):
We got about ten minutes left.

Speaker 2 (02:00:03):
Good, Well, so you don't have to. You don't have
to tell me now, but I've got pages of stuff
that we haven't gone through. So I mean, if you
want to try to squeeze something in, if the crowd's
good with it, I could do more throofy stories in
another day, but let's do something a little what I
think might be funny. And then if you want, you
could shoot some questions at me. Sure, maybe they're just
kind I don't want to take away, but maybe we're

(02:00:24):
just lighting the mood a little bit. And this really
doesn't have to do with the funeral home, but it
does have to do with ashes, and it happened right
here in my backyard. But to kind of set the scene,
I've always loved fireworks, and I've always been pretty safe
with fireworks, pretty safe because I have stories about that.
But you know, my kid's fourteen. My wife was due.

(02:00:50):
She was due with our daughter, like in a week
or two in July, and it's July fourth and my
mother in law, God bless her, she's passed away. My
mother in law came for the house with her boyfriend
at the time, and there's a lot of stories behind
that that are he wasn't a good guy and everything,
but he came with his deceased wife's ashes from his

(02:01:14):
previous marriage. Right, so he shows up to the house
and I've got fireworks, and he's got fireworks, and he's
got he's got mortars, right, the mortar shells that you
put in the tube and you light him and they
make big explosions. So this clown and I go along
with it. He tapes he basically takes two of the
tubes and he screws into a plot, you know, to

(02:01:36):
a little plank of wood, and we put them up
in the backyard pool like elevated, and he's gonna tape
ashes of his wife to.

Speaker 4 (02:01:47):
The mortar shows stop and stop.

Speaker 2 (02:01:50):
Dead serious, Michael dead stairs and I'm like whatever, you
know whatever to each his own. And you know, I
was working at what was working at the crematory at
the time. We're just get finished be licensed. But anyway,
he thought it was a good idea of like whatever.
So this was this gets into weird happenings, and my
wife would tell you that it happen. It's funny, but

(02:02:13):
not funny. So we're sitting there and it's the backyard,
so we're maybe twenty five or thirty feet away and
we launch. You know, they go off boom, No problem.
He does like the next round and he ties the mortar.
He ties the wicks to the mortar shells together right

(02:02:34):
so he can light them together. And you know, we
could have two of them go off at once.

Speaker 4 (02:02:39):
So this is funny, not funny.

Speaker 2 (02:02:42):
Yeah, it's funny, not funny. So the next round going,
and keep in mind, I'm not much of a drinker
and I had not been drinking. So next thing you know, bam,
one of them goes off and the other one the
tube lays down and faces us. And it was it
was me and my wife, my pregnant wife, my son,

(02:03:02):
my mother in law, my sister in law, and then
the boyfriend of the mother in law were all there
and we run, I mean, the shell comes out, we
run for cover. It hits my wife's foot, the top
of her uncovered and the old flip flop floor to
wearing foot and hits her foot, bounces and just explodes
right and literally like when you see in the movies,

(02:03:25):
like your ears are ringing, you know, you're kind of
your everybody was dazed. I kind of was days. We're
all days. We'd get inside and I think it was
my mother in law. She had like a silvery like
disco ball shirt. Part of the shirt was melted, so
like everybody was, okay, it s my wife. My wife

(02:03:45):
was pregnant, right and my daughter was born my two
weeks later. She's in the shower and we're trying to
clean the wound on her foot because her foot was
like she had a cut. It was like busted open.
So she was in absolute pain, screaming and in pain.
On the fourth of July, I take her to the
hospital and she's calmed down, she's, you know, feeling better

(02:04:08):
because it was superficial, but it hit the bone so
hard she had like a bone bruise for like ever.
But we're there in the hospital, they we're looking at
each other and she wasn't mad. We were like, I'm like, so,
what are we gonna do? Who were gonna blame? And
she's like, you did it. And the embarrassing thing was
was when the doctor came in. I looked at the

(02:04:29):
doctor and I'm like, hey, listen, she's pregnant. I'm not drinking,
but are we the first ones tonight? And he goes,
oh yeah, he goes, you guys are the first ones
in here tonight you broke the ice.

Speaker 4 (02:04:38):
That's he had a beer right Like, he's like, I
got one for you. He goes into the cooler and gives.

Speaker 2 (02:04:45):
You a beer. Yeah. So, And I never lived because
forever my wife would be like, these shoes hurt me.
They hurt the top of my foot, like she's never
you know, every once in a while it comes up.
You know that she doesn't let me live it down.
But that happened. And then on a side note about
fireworks again, this time not with ashes, but my wife

(02:05:11):
was in Italy with our son. He graduated and she
was out in Italy and I was like his graduation
trip and I was here with my daughter and my mom.
And once again I had a big Fourth of July
thing going on. And we did it in the park
a lot at the arcade next door. And I put
a big white tarp out to collect all the debris,
me and the neighbor because we didn't want to have

(02:05:32):
to clean up the parking lot. So we get done.
I rolled up the tarp, put everything in the back
of the truck. There were some unspent fireworks to the
side of the pickup truck. I pulled up to the
house and I posed everything, or I thought I osed everything.
So everything is wet, everything is hosed. And I'm sitting
in the pool and it's like one o'clock in the morning,

(02:05:55):
and I hear firecrackers go off. I got to find
the picture is probably not tonight, but I'll put the
pictures of later on. So I hear like some bottle rockets,
just simple bottle rockets, golf, and I tell my daughter,
I go go out front and look and see it's
like one o'clock in the morning. So next thing you know,
my daughter is running through the house. I'm in the pool.

(02:06:18):
She's screaming. She looked like mculay Culkin from Home Alone
when he slapped his cheeks. She's like, the truck's on fire.
The truck's on fire. I run out of the pool
on slip sliding through the house. I grabbed the hoose.
My mom's calling the fire department right I'm telling her
to hang up because I'm hosing out the back of
the truck. Basically, the tarp melted and started melting into

(02:06:39):
the rubber liner, and I put the fire out from
the truck and it was your truck.

Speaker 4 (02:06:47):
It was your truck. Your truck.

Speaker 2 (02:06:48):
It was my pickup truck. Yeah, my pickup truck was
on fire and the tailgate the back I hose that
damn big off, right, So then insult to injury. My
wife calls formidarly at like three in the morning and
she's like, how's everything, And you know, she tells us
about her day, which was crazy at Italy and she's like,
how are you guys, And it's on video and she goes,

(02:07:09):
I see you have all your fingers and I was like,
well about that? And I told her. She's like, you
ass whole yeah, what about that? So like a week later,
I'm in the junkyard right trying to find a matching
maroon tailgate for an F one fifty and all I
could find is the red one. And I'm doing the

(02:07:29):
walk of shame through the junk yard in the Florida heat,
and the cashier looks at me and I've got this
big ass tailgate on a two wheeler. And I looked
at her and I says, I think I saw Jesus
out there. That's all I could tell her, right, And
she's trying not to lose it, and I just I
was like about died, I about died, so anyway, I
still have the pickup truck. But yeah, that's my second

(02:07:52):
experience with the fireworks.

Speaker 4 (02:07:55):
That's awesome. And there's there's that weird sink where they're
you know, trying to launch ashes into space and this
type of stuff. I never thought about it on like
a bottle rocket. So I mean, yeah, ashes to ashes,
dust to dust, indeed, anything on that. James about a
minute left and then we'll come back and that finishes
up My goodness.

Speaker 6 (02:08:16):
That's a yeah, that is wild. I am.

Speaker 2 (02:08:21):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (02:08:22):
Yeah, I mean the idea of sending ashes to space,
I mean always makes me wonder. You know I mentioned
this before, are there is there a paranormal activity out
in space? Not just because of those satellites and rockets
trying to do that, but just in general from the
planet moving through space? And of course I have no
idea slightlyve at that.

Speaker 4 (02:08:41):
Nor do I. Well, I do have an idea of this.
Thank you for the generous donation over there on Rumble
the Roberts. He says this, the reason ghosts wear clothes
is the dad, mom, grandma, et cetera. Don't want to
be shocked. And you even more by appearing before you naked,

(02:09:03):
should you actually see them? And there it is, there,
it is. I appreciate that the Robert. Yes, indeed, there
are some things that we don't need to know, and
some of those things are the obvious. In this moment,
we're here with that, Joe and Florida, the funeral director
at James the paranormal expert of Trouble Minds taking recalls.

(02:09:24):
Watched by the dead. What funeral directors know? What else
don't we know? Be right back and more trouble Minds
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(02:10:04):
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(02:10:25):
the dead. What funeral directors know?

Speaker 6 (02:10:29):
Well, what I know.

Speaker 4 (02:10:30):
I'm not a funeral director. If only we had a
very good friend for a very long time. That is
a funeral director. And of course it is just in
time for spooky season to talk about this. Not like
we didn't plan this for exactly that reason, but we
got to Joe and Florida, the funeral director James Selsey,
who of course the paranormal expert of Trouble Minds, and
you you find amazing people with all the questions, the

(02:10:52):
great questions tonight. Thank you for the calls and if
you want to be part of the conversation seven oh
two nine five seven one zero three seven click to
discord link of Troubleminds dot org James anything, and then
we'll go into some of the stuff that that Joe's got,
I got some questions and all kinds of stuff. I
think we could do a part two of this like
this is this is. This has been so flow and
so easy and so great because all you guys are incredible,

(02:11:14):
but uh, I don't want to speak for your guys time,
but uh, fire stuff, James, anything to add to them.
We'll go back to Joe and talk about Watched by
the Dead.

Speaker 6 (02:11:24):
I mean, I'm always happy to talk about these things,
so yeah, I mean, if if you ever want to
do that, let me know. I was also just joking
and chat. I think there must be a ghost in
the parking lot behind me, because there's just one vehicle
that the alarm has been going off on it like
five six times now tonight, in the last hour or so.
So I don't know, but only the timing on that

(02:11:46):
right in the middle of line on the show.

Speaker 2 (02:11:48):
Good thing.

Speaker 6 (02:11:48):
It's kind of a little ways away.

Speaker 4 (02:11:50):
I can't hear a thing. You're good to go, but
that push to talk that plays well, doesn't it?

Speaker 2 (02:11:55):
It does?

Speaker 6 (02:11:58):
But yeah, no, nothing else to add right now, and
looking forward to what questions and seeing what I can
provide as well.

Speaker 4 (02:12:05):
Okay, I got some questions, but Joe, do you want
to tell the famous? So here's the thing too, right,
and when famous people pass away, and when famous people
pass away there are cremations or processing of the psychopomp
again conceptually of the funeral director, do you want to

(02:12:29):
tell that one or you want to put that in
the back pocket and maybe come back another time.

Speaker 2 (02:12:34):
I was thinking, so we're on the right track. So
I was thinking, you know, you've great questions. You know
everybody's some gracious it's a good knit community. We got
by your great host. I figured maybe we can address
some of your questions and then I can either do
the beef turkey story. I could do the other personal

(02:12:56):
hockey story, which I've said before, but maybe not everybody listens.
And if you want to go part two, I'm sure
we can work that in. But I just don't know
what nature. I didn't know what the nature of your
questions are, so that maybe we can leave the show
on kind of a lighter note if that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (02:13:13):
Yeah, definitely. Okay, So, so Pete asked shout out chef Pete,
he asked question number three. Okay, so here's my questions.
Number one, have you ever felt like you were being
watched or evaluated while working on a body, whether it's cremation,
whether it's going to be what's the other thing, embalming,
or any of the rest of that. You ever felt
like a presence kind of looking over your shoulder? Is

(02:13:34):
that anything you've ever experienced or and all of these
questions fall in line with that that not just you,
but people you've worked with that maybe personal experiences they've
told you, so it doesn't have to be necessarily you,
but kind of in the space of your professional business.

Speaker 8 (02:13:51):
There.

Speaker 4 (02:13:52):
Yeah, so I'm to ask the question again, have you
ever felt like you were being watched or evaluated while
working on a body.

Speaker 2 (02:14:01):
So at the crematory, yes, there's been times where you know,
and I don't know that it's so much you feel
or maybe that was like that in the beginning, but
it's part of the habit. So I'll give you an example,
if you could picture this. You've got the box with
the human body getting ready to be loaded into the machine.

(02:14:25):
But you you know, so the box is there and
you've done the ID so you know for one hundred percent,
and that's the person in that box before you close
the box, right, you know that. But let's say you
walk out to use the restroom, or to get a snack,
or to get out of the heat. But I would

(02:14:46):
come back sometimes more than not often. I would always
have this itching feeling of is somebody going to play
a joke on me and switch a body? Which was
totally unrealistic. But I would maybe order that to more
of my slightly paranoid nature, which has served me well
by the way in surroundings and things when it comes

(02:15:09):
to prep. I mean, have I in bomb Yes? Am
I great at it? No? Have I done a lot? No?
There are people there that just in Bomb eight hours
a day. That's what they do. I'm sure if you
ask them, it'd probably tell you know, just because it's
so routine and wrote For me, when I do a
prep I know it's going to take me longer because

(02:15:30):
again I'm not super great at it. Because through the
corporate path of it, I was always put in front
of the families because probably because I have that empathy
and I knew what I was talking about and that
kind of shine through where you have the opposite with
people in the prep room and you and I had
that conversation on Saturday, I believe with being familiar with

(02:15:53):
what I was getting at with that. But when I
do in bombings, I will if I'm doing makeup on
you know, on anybody. I've noticed that I like doing
makeup period. There's something a little bit more peaceful to it,

(02:16:17):
where when you're involming, you want to make sure you
get the karate. You don't want to get the wrong
artery or cut the artery or do the wrong thing,
because then you got to do what's called the four
point injection, which means you got to look for the
femerals and the other you know karate. If you do
a restricted cervical or one point. We try to do
what's called the one point where we just get one
karate the artery. We get it, we tap it, we

(02:16:39):
you know, and the fluid goes all over the body.
But sometimes you're so focused on that, I don't know
that somebody's watching you, but you know that the family
is going to be watching the result, if that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (02:16:57):
Yeah, Like you can screw it up like you can actually,
and it's been as you as you when we started
tonight you were talking about how you ended up kind
of being drawn into this is because somebody else screwed
something up massively, and so this is as usual, right
Like they be careful what you eat, be careful of
any service you engage with. And I'm not going to
tell you my my car car repair story recently, but

(02:17:20):
I mean there are there are thieves out there that
would lie to you and tell you all manner of
things that are not true and not real that we
should be warey of. And that that's uh, And that's
that is one of those tropes, right like, as you're
sort of being the you know, modern psychopomp in that
space again, just using that as a descriptive term of

(02:17:43):
the old ways, clearly you're not o cyrus or something.
But in the modern space, to the materialists, that's kind
of what that what you would be. Okay, However, if
you're working on on a person in a body and
you know the rest of that, it's certainly a trope
of being watched, you know, kind of that as we
described earlier, the hovering aspect of consciousness, maybe watching you James,

(02:18:08):
anything on that. I think there's probably a lot there.
In terms of the paranormal stuff, I.

Speaker 6 (02:18:13):
Haven't come across anything like that regarding those hidden processes. Again,
I have come across though, accounts of people attending the
viewing in the funeral home seeing apparitions of the loved
one that had passed, and usually in a very comforting way.
They're just there watching and smiling. And that's basically the

(02:18:39):
extent of that. But again, I mean with that sense
of being watched, it's so specific, and if that's all
that's happening, I could see some people writing it off
as being well, it's just because I'm aware of what
I'm doing again, sort of going to what Joe was
talking about there, or also just energy again, what your

(02:19:00):
managed fields, they can cause two different things. They can
cause it the appearance or the feeling of being watched
when maybe there's nothing paranormal there, or they can also
fuel paranormativity. So is that paradox within that kind of
energy that may be around us, that is around us?

(02:19:20):
I guess I should say, yeah, well.

Speaker 4 (02:19:23):
Said, well said anything on that Joe. We got to
herschel with this hand up, so we got to work
him in here. But I do have more questions, and
we're going to get to that beef jerky story. I
think it may be the cherry on top tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:19:32):
I want to do that one because I was thinking
of a well, it's fine, yeah, we could do that
one because then the other they're all funny. Yeah, let's
end with that one of the famous person. But let's
let's try and get through the questions.

Speaker 4 (02:19:41):
Man, Okay, Okay, more questions. Yeah, great stuff from James.
Appreciate that. Okay, So how about this? Have you noticed
patterns and when paranormal experiences happen, time of day, how
recent of death, that type of thing. Is there anything
to the timing of this aspect, like like and real

(02:20:01):
quick as an addendum to that question, is it like
when something happens recently, like a something horrific, and is
there like a I hate to say a buzz, because
that's that's like a positive term, but like a sort
of a negative buzz, like we get a fresh one,
you know what I mean when they kind of bring
it into the space. Is there something like that, like

(02:20:21):
this just happened and everybody knows about it, and that
type of thing is there?

Speaker 3 (02:20:25):
Is there?

Speaker 4 (02:20:26):
Back to back to the question and the buzz aspect.
Have you noticed patterns and when paranormal experiences happen, time
of day, how recent of death, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (02:20:35):
So remember a couple of weeks ago on one of
the shows I mentioned, Well, the short answer is yes, patterns. Okay,
so uh the recent pattern now on death certificates that
I really try not to really look at causes, but
dementia like in tonight's show, I have seen dimension popping up, right,

(02:20:59):
So you start looking at things and you hone in
on those things like the time of the clock. Right. So,
probably about a month or two ago on a couple
of death certificates, I had seen the virus which was
shild not named, but that was still coming back as
a cause, right, you know, and again getting back to dementia,

(02:21:21):
certain things seem to repeat, certain dates repeat when you
want to talk about the pattern. The one that I
told you about we had it was a Hawaii coincidence
which I have with my sister in love that passed away.
But the reason Hawaii coincidence was we had a call
from the family in Hawaii that didn't want to be

(02:21:45):
buried in Hawaii. They wanted to be buried in Florida.
And I wasn't the funeral director on that one, but
we knew. I kind of knew what was going on, right,
but I was the funeral director that had to take
that funeral out. So I meet with the out of
the deceased and the wife of the deceased, and they
came from Hawaii to Florida, and they were grateful. They

(02:22:09):
didn't want to do a burial in hawaiife for whatever
reason there was they had. They had their they had
their reasons, and they had their their issues and whatever,
so I don't ask those questions. We went out to
the cemetery. Everything was fine. I hear the wife of
the deceased talking to somebody from the cemetery and to
my associate helper that her friend had just passed away,

(02:22:34):
and when she said the name of the friend, my
jaw dropped because that was a funeral that was is
and it was a funeral that I was going to
be doing on Monday. So literally, on Friday, I'm doing
a funeral for a family that I didn't really meet
until that day. And I hear the wife of the
deceased saying, oh, yeah, you know, I talked to my

(02:22:57):
friend YadA, YadA. So I go up to her and
I say, did you say such and such a name?
And she goes, yeah, she goes she was really really sick,
but she did. She was a salesperson at the cemetery,
and when her and I were talking, he said, I
should do the I should come visit her because she
had just come down with cancer. But I couldn't visit

(02:23:19):
her because I was taking care of my husband. So
the synchronicity of that was the husband passes away, they
end up in Florida for the burial, and it just
so happened that it wasn't scheduled that way. But then
on Monday, I was also having the burial for her
very good friend that they had been friends for a

(02:23:39):
long long time, and always kept in touch, even though
one of them lived in Hawaii and one of them
lived in Florida. And I had the lady that I
took care of, the funeral that I took care of.
I had wrote that lady's funeral in twenty twenty two
and she passed away this past year, so I had
all the details. But it was just bizarre. You don't
see that often, but there was that weird synchronicity. It

(02:24:03):
happened and that was just two weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (02:24:08):
Yeah, and they they I think, if you're paying attention
these the synchronicity aspect is fast and furious. It's it's
kind of like it's coming, it's coming, It's coming, it's coming,
and that and that again, that's the Carl Young thing,
like go look at the what did the scareb beetle
and Carl Jung and sort of that the whole tale.
He tells about a patient he had and they were
talking about a very specific thing and then.

Speaker 2 (02:24:29):
The beetle shows up.

Speaker 4 (02:24:30):
I think it comes through the window. Yeah, and is
exactly the type of stuff they were talking about for
this the scaab uh symbology, and it's it's absolutely wild.
And that's when it kind of dawned on him and
he's it's it's it's well documented. It's not I'm not
making something up, but it's I don't know, like like

(02:24:50):
as usual, what is the what do those synchronicities mean?
And the for another show? So I'm not going to
ask that question. Leave it damp in that. We got
other stuff to get to. I got other questions, and
I do want to hear the beef jerky story because
because I think that's a perfect cherry on top. But
we got some questions to ask here and we got
to hand up. So let's go to seven two nine

(02:25:12):
one zero three seven click the discord link at Troubledminds
dot org. Let's go to a commercial. Herschel, what's our brother?
You're in trouble Mines with Mike and James and Joe.
What's on your mind? Go right ahead?

Speaker 3 (02:25:21):
Okay, So I missed about a half hour of the show,
So if you already covered this, just tell me and
I'll go back and listen to this midst Okay, and
we don't we don't have to waste time, like tell
me to say in it again?

Speaker 6 (02:25:36):
All right?

Speaker 3 (02:25:36):
So you know, sometimes people are buried with objects like
they want to be buried with something, you know, like
that it's precious to them or something. Any stories related
to that that seemed that were weird, like that were
odd or something happened with you know the that and
energy related or.

Speaker 2 (02:25:57):
Yeah, so kind of the opposite. And I wasn't involved
in this because I wasn't a Fueld director at the time.
But when you do cremations, if you have I don't
know about the saline, but if you had silicone implants,
you know, we cremated one and it looked like we
picked a new pope. You typically when you do a

(02:26:19):
cremation correctly, you really shouldn't see smoke, but like rubber
and those type of materials will sometimes smoke white clear typically,
So I had cremated somebody that had silicone implants. And
the joke for me on that punchline, which is a
terrible punchline now because I haven't set the story up,
but you know, you learned the hard way. You went

(02:26:40):
outside and it was like, uh, we picked the pope right,
because there's smoke coming out, right, So when you pick
a pope, you see smoke. Now, probably maybe about a
year later and I'm just kind of generalizing the time.
But there was a guy that his his wife. I
want to say it was the life because he wasn't
able to do it if he was a boyfriend or whatever.

(02:27:02):
But he he paid for the implants and he wanted
them out. And I'll be damned if because it was corporate,
they didn't want to get pushed back, because it would
have been a family place would have been like, we
can't do it, and that said sign a waiver. But
this guy, they made waivers and stuff for him, and
they literally and I don't know what he did with
them and how they did it because it's a biohazard,

(02:27:24):
but they removed the implants from the loved one. I
don't know what the hell. I don't know if he's
got him stuck on the wall. I don't have to
hear that, but but fuck if.

Speaker 4 (02:27:35):
I know, basically easy on the language, I'll say, what
the ever loving f that's that's nearly as bad as
the uh, the the fireworks and my goodness, gracious, go ahead,
sorry interrupt, No that I mean I was.

Speaker 3 (02:27:50):
Just curious, you know, like sometimes people want to be buried,
like with their a picture of somebody or you know,
all the time, so for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:28:00):
Like like I'll tell people like if they didn't have
a chance to say goodbye. If i'm you know, if
I'm got all my thoughts together, I'm like, hey, you
might want to write a letter to the deceased. If
it's a kid, hey you might want to write a letter.
Or if the kids lost a family member, hey, you
might want to tell your kids to draw a picture.
I mean, they do make caskets with compartments that like

(02:28:23):
keep sake boxes, so you can like open up part
of the casket in the rim and put stuff in there.
So yeah, I mean, can I think of a specific
ovict But I thought it might have been odd right
off the top of my head. Not really. I could
tell you stories about people that got in trouble for
putting other funeral directors that got in trouble for pretty
like a dog's ashes in there. So to me, that's

(02:28:44):
not weird. Wanted to maybe have your animal with you,
but technically you're not supposed to. But if you tell
the funeral director, hey, look, put this in there, they
don't really ask questions. They should just do it. Unless
you're going to a military cemetery. If you're going to Arlington. Uh,
somebody that I know got in trouble. He didn't get fired,
but he tried to stink a set of ashes for

(02:29:07):
the loved one in the casket, and one of the
bombers before they let the body go on the flight
found the ashes and it could have been a big deal,
but it was kind of blown under, you know, But
those are the things you kind of see. Nothing weird,
Like nobody wants to be buried with sex toys and
vibranting dildos or nothing like that. You know, even though

(02:29:30):
you know, you hear stories about if you know, people
being being and shoving something up there doing you know,
I hear stories about people doing shitty things, and I've
never I would never think of doing something like that.

Speaker 4 (02:29:41):
That's more for another show. That's like the the er
on you know, er visits on a full moon whenever, Yeah,
go ahead or what you got.

Speaker 3 (02:29:52):
No, No, I just was curious about that. If there
were any interesting stories related to that. That's something I mean,
because you.

Speaker 2 (02:29:57):
Know, I'm sure there is, I just can't think of
it right now.

Speaker 3 (02:30:01):
Yeah, you know, yeah, thank you? All right, Well, thanks
you guys. A really really great show. I like that
we can have these conversations.

Speaker 6 (02:30:08):
That's good.

Speaker 4 (02:30:09):
Absolutely, thank you appreciate the questions and the call. You
were the best. You know, you know you love him.
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Please do that man.

Speaker 2 (02:30:29):
It was Herschel the one did he posted the earl.
I was looking at the video about the ovals of
the sky.

Speaker 4 (02:30:35):
That's him. Yep, absolutely so last night were on the side.

Speaker 2 (02:30:38):
Note, last night I was out back lifting weights and
because I got my weight, betch just out in the
open whatever. So I'll just try to lift when I can.
And I'm always looking at the sky. I lately I
haven't seen anything but last night. On a side note,
if we have a minute too, because I'll go to
the beef Turkey story. But I'm looking out there and
usually the airplanes that come into Saint Pete clear Water
they fly the same pattern. So I saw a dot

(02:31:00):
in the sky and I'm like, that could be a satellite,
I'm thinking, and it was like a round little star.
I see it, and then I see a plane. I mean,
I know it's a plane. I see a plane coming in.
I see you know, the land. The light's blinking and everything,
and I'm looking and I'm like, I'm like, well, those
two things are close together, but they're going to pass
at different altitudes. So this oval or this circular light

(02:31:22):
whatever they were sitting there, it just like disappeared and
the plane kept flying, and I'm like, wait a minute,
maybe it went behind the cloud, you know. And I've
seen enough things that my hair wasn't standing up on
end or nothing. But I stayed focused on that area,
and that other light never appeared, and the plane, you know,
flew over the flight pattern and went to the airport

(02:31:43):
and that was the end of it. But then he
posted that today and I'm like, yeah, man, there's stuff.
You know, there's there's stuff out there. And you know,
yesterday it was like, oh I have another sighting, No big.

Speaker 4 (02:31:55):
Deal whatever, you know, but it becomes common, at least
in the propaganda space, and then and this is this
is the thing too. Never mind's too late to get
into that, but I mean that the three I comment
at list whatever the hell it's so, it's just so frustrating.
It's just so frustrating that everybody's like, wow, working this

(02:32:18):
end of the thing. I mean, if you go back
and watch, you know this is ten s fifteen seconds
maximum overdrive from the eighties. The comic came and the
machines woke up and started attacking people. This is the
type of stuff that we're getting propaganda wise. Like everyone's like,
I'm like, let's see this.

Speaker 2 (02:32:36):
I wrote some things to the chat, but I just
believe that as being a great story. Like I just
brought in the black Light. I'm like, what happens to
the black Night? Satellite has been watching us, and you know,
UFOs appeared after a nuclear explosion, and now they're checking
out AI. They're checking out our next best advancement. And
let's just say there are rocks out there. How cool

(02:32:57):
would it be? But not cool? That was like a
dead man's switch or a doomsday weapon that basically says,
when we reach a certain level of scale so that
maybe we don't kill ourselves with a I, a couple
of rocks wake up and they just fire up whatever
engines we're left on them and they bombard the planet,

(02:33:17):
or they emp the planet just enough, just enough, we
don't go, we don't know extinct, but just enough to
put us back to maybe barely the Stone Age.

Speaker 4 (02:33:28):
Stone Age. The Stone Age was the best, wasn't it? Okay,
So I got one more question. It's not mine. This
is from Puff over on Rumble, and then let's get
let's wrap up with the beef turkey story, which is
super hilarious. Sure Puff wants to know this. Can you
ask him? What's the weirdest thing someone wanted him to
do with a burial? You got a weirdest story there?

Speaker 2 (02:33:49):
Ooh, so there's probably a few. There's there's like the roma.
I hate to use the word gypsy if you don't
know what aroma is. Uh. That was an experience that
somebody I know had. Without getting into details of that
real quickly, I could tell you a quick funny one.
We had somebody that was Buddhist and Catholic and they

(02:34:09):
were being buried in the Catholic cemetery and it was
a great funeral. I did everything for this family, right, everything,
And then my partner he's like, hey, Joe, you worked
hard on this one. Let me just let's all go
to the cemetery together and I'll do the burial part
of it. Now that saying goes with Catholics feet to
the east, but then I guess with Asians it should
be like the head to the east. That somebody could

(02:34:31):
look that up and correct me. But shame on me,
because it's not like we did a lot of Buddhists
and things. So at the time of the burial, the
family must have owned like a deelic contestant. And honestly,
all of these little ideas that I wrote down for you,
I would love to put into a half hour comedy
because I could totally make this into a ridiculous comedy
like the Office probably, but literally in the cemetery, I

(02:34:55):
have all manner of folks, a lot of them of
Asian you know background, and everybody's there in the family
because they're respectful and they're grateful, and I'm you know,
and then they address you as mister Joe. So I'm
like being addressed as mister Joe. And my one old
boss who's kind of an asshole, but he would make
fun of me for that, like all mister you know,
he would do a little trope and the stereotype bullshit stuff.

(02:35:17):
But anyhow so if you could picture it, We've got
a cemetery full of people, cars lined up, and we're
going into an area where there's headstones, right, So it's
a it's a little bit of an upper class area
for headstones. So the family put out a picnic table
and they were giving out subs because they must have
hold the restaurant. So literally there's people in the cemetery

(02:35:38):
eating subs sandwiches, right, And we put the casket on
the lower ing device and I look at Danny. I
look at Dan, a funeral director, and he's not arguing,
but he's kind of having a debate with the family,
and he's Italian and he's moving his hands, but the
family's kind of laughing, and I'm like, what is going

(02:35:59):
on here? So like literally you see them in the
grounds crew take the casket and they turned the casket around,
and I was too far to realize that put a
debate was going on about are we gonna bury him
Catholic wise? Are we gonna bury him like Eastern religion wise? Basically?
And I always found out amusing because again, even in death,

(02:36:22):
it was a little bit of a religious debate, but
we got the person when they needed to be and
everybody was happy.

Speaker 4 (02:36:28):
All right, But perfect fire stuff. Okay, So let's get
into that. And I think it's a perfect cherry on
top because this is something that doesn't ever get discussed.
And so, like I said, I know there's some legal
ramifications here, So if you want to be as vague
as possible, that's cool. But let's get to the beef
turkey story. And what I mean is that that there

(02:36:50):
are actual look, famous people past two obviously, duh, Like
that's the dumbest thing I've ever said, the most obvious
thing I've ever said. But the thing that happens as
part of it, there's like a you know, nobody really knows, like,
you know, Michael Bowden, which has been you know, he
had an HBO series of the Autopsy Guy doing you know,
autopsies on famous people or whatever or famous incidents or

(02:37:13):
deaths or whatever. But you kind of don't ever know
anything about this because why, like, how come you know,
like such and such doesn't say such and such from
such and such because this person, Well, because there's legal ramifications,
so be very careful about how you attack this. But
I asked you. I asked you, I asked you ten
times if you wanted to tell the story. But yeah,

(02:37:35):
it was super interesting to me because this is one
of those things that's like, hmm, interesting, Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (02:37:39):
Sir, it's absolutely fine. So anyway, moved to my house
where all of that, and I'm sitting there, so anyway
I want to read it, you're just going to read
the story. So basically, who likes beef turkey? Who likes
beef turkey in wrestling? You know, if we're just going
to say that beef jerkey and wrestling, right, So I
really don't care for beef jerkey, but I enjoyed Russ

(02:38:00):
when I was a kid, you know, and I'm sure
a lot of people did. So this particular case required
me to sign an NDA before the actual cremation. So
that's kind of the argument. But it's been years and
years and those things expired and we're not using real names.
But I used to work like the afternoon shift at
the crematory, so it was another day of me sleeping

(02:38:21):
in before my afternoon shift at the crematory. You know,
as I lay in bed, I could hear the wining
of some ambulance horns and basically I thought it was
the nursing home that was down the road, because you
would always hear nursing home, you know, you always hear
the ambulances point up to the nursing home quite regularly,
and I didn't think anything of it. So it turns

(02:38:41):
out later that evening on the news it was mentioned
that someone had out a heart attack and crashed her
jeep into a tree by a church, which to this
day still has a little memorial on the tree here
and there if you pay attention and look. So it's
just you know, so that was in the news and
it was somebody that was still as famous. So nothing's connected.

(02:39:07):
You just hear in other news. It's public information. But
about a week later and I went to crevatory and
I'm doing the last cremation of the day. So my
boss comes in and at the sign of NDA for
somebody who was famous. So when we did the idview
and we opened up the box, you know, of the

(02:39:29):
family member, and what I saw was basically a childhood
hero and he was a fun childhood hero who I
always liked over that moron whol Cogan, right, So it
was just a minute of seeing an old wrestler who
did have slim gems placed in the container with him.
He was the face of some pretty amped up speeches

(02:39:50):
while talking to me and gen Okerland on a Saturday
morning on wrestling, and he would later have been to
those slim gyms on commercials all over. My boss and
I said, our to a childhood hero, and that was it.

Speaker 4 (02:40:04):
I used to do a pretty decent impression of that
particular individual because you know, I'm of that generation when
I was ten again, so wrestling was cool to me
when I was ten, and then when I was twelve
it was not cool anymore. But yeah, when you told
me that Stary, I was like, ooh, yeah, that's what's
good guy. I was a feeling.

Speaker 3 (02:40:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:40:24):
So a lot of those a lot of those guys
live around here, you know. You know, I don't think
I don't think I've met now my my wife met
some of the Bucks players from the first super Bowl
that they had won out of the last whatever it
was with my call Stot and stuff like at the beach,
like you know, I've had famous people come into the

(02:40:47):
club and everything. Never met that I could recall, never
met a wrestler. I mean, the whole Cogan lives around
used to live around here anyway, and people would run
into him here and there. And but this guy lived
run around the corner for me, you know. And and
that was it, you know, at least at least when

(02:41:08):
he passed away. I don't think he passed away with
a shadow over his legacy. Hul Cogan clearly has. And
if you live in Florida you would understand that. Know that.
And then also if we know what he did, the
Jesse Ventura with the union and all of that, and
a lot of these guys suffered, you know, from the
injuries and things like that, while people really got rich

(02:41:30):
on their backs and things. And when I saw him
in the box, he was beat up. Man. You could
tell this body was exhausted, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:41:41):
Yeah, And so that's it, and so you were the
again not to be overly dramatic, but the psychopomp for people, right,
that becomes a thing, right and not likely there's some
demi god or something to that effect, but there is,
as usual, as we're discussing when we talk to you,
that transaction and you are processing that transaction. And uh, again,

(02:42:05):
thank you for sharing that story and all all of
your experiences and all the rest of it. Like I said,
it is something that's so far off the beaten path
that this is typically not information that gets public at
all period because well, for for very obvious reasons. It's
it's not something we'd like to think about, but think
about it this way inverted, and it is something we'd

(02:42:25):
like to think about a lot. We sort of don't
like to think about the consequences sort of after like that,
the tragedy of such. But it is a tantalizing thing
that's been you know, drawing us for for centuries millennia,
even thinking about these ideas of you know, crossing over passing. James,
anything to add and let's let's wrap this up. You

(02:42:45):
guys are the best things for stay and play with us.

Speaker 6 (02:42:48):
Yeah, just thank you both for having me on here
with you too. And uh, I was just thinking maybe
you're What you just said like made me realize with
all the handful of accounts I've had over the years
that I found about experiences in and around funeral homes,
they never come from the the the actual the person

(02:43:11):
that has handled all this, like in Joe's position, They
usually come from other employees, or if they do come
from anyone that works there. They you know, obviously they'll
never they don't ever share names or exact locations, so
it definitely is something that has not talked about much
at all. And I mean, these are you have to
go and find these forums to find these accounts of

(02:43:32):
these experiences, so they're they're in the public domain. But
who looks there? Not many people?

Speaker 4 (02:43:40):
Yeah, yeah, well said, yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead, go
ahead and finish up, shoe and let's wrap this up.
Thanks again for staying to play.

Speaker 3 (02:43:46):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (02:43:46):
You are the best.

Speaker 2 (02:43:48):
You know. I have a plenty of ridiculous, groofy stories,
which again could be if you could really picture well
in your head, I could translate into you know, idea
I really would love to do, not so much your book.
It would be a short book. It would really be
good to do some of these on screen. That's if
I could leave the industry that I'm in without getting
in trouble or write like a screenplay, if I could

(02:44:09):
figure out how to do that, because I think I
could probably get like two ten season you know about
you know, ten episode seasons, like two seasons of this
just because in my mind I picture it kind of funny.
But everything that I told you here is true. You know,
I don't even think I've really exaggerated some of these
things here. I don't even think because there are some

(02:44:30):
other ghost stories in here that I've kind of exaggerated,
but I haven't really discussed any of those. I mean,
they happened, but I kind of added some things to it.
But these are things that went on and that I've seen.
Some things were dreams, we could say, you know, but yeah,
And I don't even even think we discussed another one
of those coincidences. I totally forgot if I said that.

(02:44:52):
But I had a dream about seeing propeller rotors on
the ground. I think I told do that, like wood
rotors and propellers. And lately there were a couple of
helicopter crashes around the country, and there were some airplane
crashes crashes in Florida. And while when I woke up

(02:45:16):
I thought the dreams were about something else, I was
starting to think, well, maybe that was just what I
was seeing, because I had seen like airplane or drone
parts on the ground. So it's just like weird coincidences.
But if you want to do another show, I've got
plenty of other goofye and I don't know if we
want to or not, but if the crowd wants to,
you tell me and we could do another Tuesday or

(02:45:37):
Sunday or Thursday. I just might not be able to
stay up that late with you.

Speaker 4 (02:45:41):
Okay, I'm looking at the calendar. All right, let's we'll
do a poll. You guys haven't joined the discord yet.
Troubleminds dot org. Click the discord link on top. It's
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come hang out. But yeah, let's a because I'm looking

(02:46:02):
at the calendar right now, and one week from today
is a twenty eighth so which is uh, you know
you're off tomorrow, You're off Wednesdays as a given your
schedule away there, which is why we're doing this tonight.
And because he's in Florida by the way, so it's
ten for me, it's one am for him. It's very late.
So that's why we do this and schedule these obviously

(02:46:24):
for the best for everybody. James two is very late
as well. But here's the thing, right, so do you
want part two of this because there's a ton of
stuff here, Like I've got a bunch more questions. Maybe
you guys do Again, this is a valuable resource. And
I say that as a non human entity, but then
I'm going to place this on the human entity of
Joe again. The experience that he's had dealing with this

(02:46:48):
type of stuff, like I said, is incredibly fascinating to me.
And I know you guys because like we're at the
end of this and you stayed up lateant and listened
and you're locked in. But I don't know what do
you think another one Tuesday? Uh maybe a different angle,
some shadow stuff or some I don't know. Anyway, you
guys tell me, uh as the the thing goes when

(02:47:10):
you come out for the uh the encore. Yeah, the
more noise you make, the more the more more likely
to do this. But appreciate your time, Joe. Thanks, thanks
again for being part of this. Thanks again for scheduling
this and it God bless you for what you do.
Like I said, look, I'm you know, I'm in a
I'm in a field where i don't have to deal
with that type of stuff and so I'm grateful for

(02:47:31):
it and I'm grateful for the people like you, for
you that that do handle these things. This can't be
an easy weight on your heart, and so thank you
for sharing it. And uh, I know it's an outlet
to and you're and you're glad to be here as
part of it. But uh, like I said, if you
don't speak about these things, these are things that we

(02:47:52):
we end up I don't know, like forgetting forgetting these
things happen entirely.

Speaker 2 (02:47:59):
Yeah, for sure, for sure, thank you for the time.
I'd like to thank the audience. I don't know if
any I had a few people that I let know
just because I It's like when I DJ, I don't
tell my friends that I'm DJing just because I'm afraid
I might fall on my face.

Speaker 6 (02:48:13):
I just have that.

Speaker 2 (02:48:15):
I don't know if it's a humbleness, but everybody here
is always supportive in this group. If anybody that I
know from my local area listened, I hope they enjoyed it,
and I thank them for listening. Yeah, if you want
to do a part two, like I said, we could
talk later in the week or just you know, if
I get on the discord and shit you a message
over the weekend, I have no problem doing something else again.

(02:48:37):
I think on Tuesday soon as I don't have a concert.
I think I know this week it's flock of seagulls.
I think we're going to see on Thursday. I don't
think I have any conscious to go see on a Tuesday.
I've got to see, but I'll check in. Yeah, we
could do something.

Speaker 4 (02:48:51):
Okay, all right again, if you guys are super interested
paying me in all the places, send me an email,
hit me on X, hit me on Discord, and I'll
put up a poll there too. Round two of this,
I have a bunch of questions I didn't ask, and
of course there's a bunch more questions that maybe you
guys want to ask that weren't asked tonight, because so
much of this is fascinating. James, final thought, and let's

(02:49:13):
wrap this up. Thanks for staying up late to both
of you guys. You're incredible.

Speaker 2 (02:49:18):
Oh, no problem.

Speaker 6 (02:49:20):
Yeah, And like I said, I really appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (02:49:22):
Know.

Speaker 6 (02:49:22):
I could have sat back here and listened to you
too tonight and no problem. But I was glad I
was able to contribute here and there. And just regarding shadows,
I mean, I've got plenty of accounts of that, so
I can talk about that with you off, if that's
something you want to do. But either way, if there
is a part two, I'm happy to join you again
as well.

Speaker 4 (02:49:40):
Thank you again and would we'd be honored and glad
to have you. I'll jid you very much again. James Salcedo,
the paranormal expert of Trouble Minds. Salcito Paranormal dot com.

Speaker 9 (02:49:51):
S A L.

Speaker 4 (02:49:52):
S I d O paranormal dot com. You can find
all this stuff there Trouble Minds, I run fordside Friends. Joe,
Thanks again for schedule this, Thanks for setting it up.
Thanks for sharing your life experiences in a space where
the rest of us are like, wow, people actually do that. Yeah,
you're that guy. You're that guy man, good night, good night,

(02:50:16):
sleep off. It's super late for him. I appreciate you
stayed up late with us. If you want to help us,
help our friends read the word, let people know a
conversation is happening. Okay, I'll get to that in a second,
but help our friends. There's a lot of creatives that Again,
like I said, we're honored. I'm honored and we're blessed
to have all these amazing friends, and if you once

(02:50:39):
again please follow these people and if you should be
on this list, you should be. This is an in group,
not an out group. We don't do that. And there's
a lot of people that are out there that I
could reach out to, you know, you know, notable people
or whatever. Whatever. Look, I just don't have time. I
don't have time to do that stuff. So thank you
for coming to this space that we create. Thank you

(02:51:01):
for bringing ideas to it and talking about this with us.
That's the whole point, right Like and and by the way, too,
I dropped this on the discord of ways back. Regarding
collaborations and stuff, I'm open to it. But when I
started this show, you know, you start a show, go
do try it yourself. Create your own conceptual show and

(02:51:22):
start reaching out to all the people out there and
be like, hey, you want to come talk to me.
Nobody will come talk to you. Years of being cock blocked, basically,
guess what, we did it ourselves f all that. So
I'm not going to go chase celebrities down. I'm just
not going to do that. Like I'm too proud. Hey

(02:51:42):
f off, I was here asking and nobody answered right
to my detriment. However, what we look what we've built instead,
you get it. There's a there's a magical space here
that I could ramble on into the night because I'm
a talker these days. When I started, I wasn't a talker.

(02:52:05):
Go back and listen to the first episode. It's on
the podcast feed. You'll see what I mean. Anyway, as
we finish. If you want to help us, help our friends,
troubleminds dot org reports, that's friends. So many great, creative,
brilliant people have been part of this, and we have
room for as many more want to join. That's that.
If you want to help us directly, spread the word.
Let people know what conversations happening. But we're not going

(02:52:27):
to talk about the political space. We are not going
to chase down their narratives. I'm not going to tell
you who to vote for. Look, I have my own
ideas regarding that.

Speaker 2 (02:52:38):
But it is.

Speaker 4 (02:52:41):
A grow tesque. It's grow tesque because the choice has
given us are grow tesque. If you want to help
us directly, you want to buy some merch or whatever,
troublefans dot com please please buy the hats, please please
do the things. Is does the music, it's all there
Troublefans dot com. Right as we finish, it goes exactly
like this. Thanks again for staying to play with us.

(02:53:02):
This one's for Joe and James for scheduling this and
being Johnny's on the spot and slaying it tonight. I
appreciate you guys very much. Be sure, be strong, be true.
Thank you for listening from our troubled minds to yours.
Have a great night.

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