Watched by the Dead - What Funeral Directors Know Pt II - Troubled Minds Radio

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We are broadcasting live on the Troubled Minds Radio Network.
That's KUAP Digital Broadcasting and of course eighty eight point
four FM Auckland, New Zealand. Tonight we are. Last week,
we had a fantastic conversation with our good friend Joe
in Florida, who is a funeral director. I called it
Watched by the Dead what funeral directors know? And the
response was so fantastic, and we had a ton of
stuff that we didn't get to in the first conversations. Oh,

(03:00):
we're gonna continue with part two of that caveat. Joe's
got to work tomorrow, so he's going to get up early,
so he's got to cut early. So I'm going to
do the same thing because I got a ton of
stuff to do. So we're gonna do make this a
two hour show. We will end it with the Stargate
Ritual at midnight, and then we'll see you guys on
Sunday for the season finale. I'll explain all that on Sunday.
There's just a lot going on in my life right now.

(03:20):
Everything's fine, nobody's sick, nobody's there's no problems. My job
is safe, everything's fine, my marriage is good. There's no
problems there. Just sometimes things happen that you don't expect
and you've got to handle them. So I'll give you
some more details of that on Sunday. But so I'm
calling Sunday the season finale. A troubled Mind's got to
take some time off and handle some stuff. But otherwise,
for that, we'll kick that down the road for a

(03:41):
couple of days. And right now we'll just talk to
our friends, because that's what this has always been about,
meeting people, learning new ideas, and looking at the world
in slightly different ways. And that's Welcome to Troubled Minds.
That's what Troubled Minds has always been about. So let's
do it again. Thank you. Thank you again to Joe
and Florida for peeling out some time. I'm with us
again this week, and James as well, James always Johnny

(04:03):
on the Spot, the glue of the show. Salcato Paranormal,
the paranormal expert of Trouble Minds. Welcome both, gentlemen, and
we're going to just kind of free flow this a
little bit. I didn't really prepare anything other than the
same conversation we had last time to six some expansions
on some of the questions I had for Joe. But
there's a ton here to talk about. As I recall,
we left off with the celebrity story. Okay, we don't

(04:24):
have to get back into that, but just just to
kind of bridge this, as part two of that conversation,
we were talking about sort of a specific cremation or
preparation that Joe did on a particular celebrity. If you
miss that, no spoiler alert, go watch the other one
and it's at the end of the other episode. We
don't have to get directly into that. But welcome both
of you, gentlemen. Thanks for bearing with me as I

(04:45):
ramble on into the night, and thanks for being here.
Let's go James first, and then we'll get to Joe
and we'll start the conversation. Welcome, gentlemen. How are you.
What's up? James? Feeling? Okay, tonight, I'm here.

Speaker 6 (04:58):
All I can do for now, okay, just you know,
as with you sort of real life stuff. Just keep
me busy. But yeah, glad to be here. And I
do have one one new piece of I guess you
could say one new account, I should say, I'm an
experience that is I related. This I found in between

(05:18):
the last episode and this one.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Nice okay, sweet put that in your back pocket and
we will get to that as we go. Appreciate you
being here as usual, and again best wishes for things
as we go forward here together. Joe, Joe, welcome back
to the joint. Thanks again for being part of this.
How you feeling and I think we can hear you
loud and clear. Everything's good now. Thanks for jumping through
the hoops. You're on trouble minds. What's up my man?

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Hey man, It's been a crazy week for me too.
It was a year to the day.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
I was in the hospital on Monday. I have a
little dar articulitis or something. So I teach you over
the weekend, well for short, I believe I got.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Very dehydrated and very messed up. So I'm kind of
clearing it down. Feel a little better.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
Got to work the day job tomorrow, then I have
to DJ tomorrow night, and then I've got a DJ
on Saturday during the time change, So I've got two
long days of playing music for potentially annoying customers. But
I'll get through, and you know, we could just shoot
some stories out and have a good time and be

(06:23):
glad that we are above.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
The pavement right now exactly. One of the core tenants
of Troubled Minds is you can't enjoy the show if
you're not alive. So just a reminder that be grateful
for every day we have, because tomorrow is not guaranteed.
And it is one of those things I like to
point out, just to remind us that as bad as
things seem, sometimes there's always the alternative. You're the best brother.

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So okay, regarding where we stopped, what was on my mind?
So I'll tell you what I was thinking about as
we finished and we didn't have time to really get
to and then you can kind of take o wherever
you like. I know you have some stories to get to.
We'll get to James's as well. But I was thinking
about as you preparing bodies for you know, whether it's
going to be burial, whether it's going to be cremation,
whether there's the embalming all that, the process that happens

(07:06):
with the funeral direction business. I was thinking about that
that idea that came out of recently. It's it's an
old idea but it's it's a it's been sort of
resurfaced in the Skinwalker Ranch conversation with George Knapp and
those guys, But it is that idea of the the
hitchhiker effect where let's say that you are in this
business and you know there's this bad energy of people

(07:27):
meeting their demise and the rest of that. Do you
think there is some level of actual attachment that comes
with maybe energy and it might be just psychic energy
sort of you know, kind of down on yourself or whatever,
because it takes a special person to do this right.
But I don't know your thoughts on that whole hitchhiker effect,
and we'll kick us off that way and then get
to whatever whatever else you got to get to.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
So there definitely is weird example today not directly related
to me, but I'll get into that. My friend of
mine who I did a cremation for him for a family,
and he had another family member who was a sister
of his that was fighting the cremation. This thing it
happens quite often, but it's worse, you know, the saying

(08:09):
you don't do a favor for friends and that's the
reason why. So the sister was trying to hold things up,
and of course I've been through this a million times before,
so I have very little patience for it. And then
he shows up with the will that says he's the
executor and that his mother wanted to be cremated. In
the meantime, his sister had stalled me. She wanted to

(08:30):
do an autopsy privately, but she was playing games. And
whenever people play games through at the funeral home, it
has nothing to do with the deceased.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
It has to do with the estate and the money
that comes afterwards. And you try to be nice.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
But I've always been nice to people, so now the
type of person where just I just take the gloves
right off and I literally tell people you're not going
to get money out of the air.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
So I end up young people.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
And it could sound callous as you want it to be,
but it's the truth. And that kind of started me
off on a little negative path these last few weeks,
and I think I saw the result of that, and
I tried to get ahold of this woman for like
a week and a half.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
She would and.

Speaker 5 (09:12):
Answer my phone calls and then she would email me,
and then finally she calls me after holding on to
this person in the corner for two weeks, which is
totally disrespectful. There was no reason for it. And come
to find out for my friend that she wanted him
to sell the house so that she could take She

(09:33):
literally told him, she's like, you need to sell the
house so I can pay off my house and retire early.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
I mean, that was that had come out.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
And you always know as a funeral director, there's layers
to onions why people do things, and it's absolutely terrible.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Harper's very negative effects. And it continued this week.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
You know, I'm not saying any names, but I had
somebody that ended their life, and there was a person
that was not married to them that they had children with,
and that person wasn't there. She was calling in and
I wasn't giving her any information because she really didn't
have any right to any information. I told the immediate family,

(10:14):
I said, look, you know, and I tell them, you know,
whether it's money or not, I says, I could take
your money to do this, but I would not feel
comfortable doing that, and I don't think it's advisable under
the circumstances of what happened to this person that we
should allow them to be seen, especially by children of
a certain age. And the family agreed with me, but

(10:36):
the mother of the kids didn't. And then she called
me telling me, oh, why are you charge for this?

Speaker 3 (10:46):
And this and that? And there is a charge.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
It was made clear and all of this, and I'm
you know, I says, it's not an actual embombing. It's
what they called an identification view, which is just for
immediate family. But you still want to present this in
the control environment due to the circumstances of how this
person died.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
I really advise against it. And the woman tells me, Oh,
I'm a nurse, and I really hated when people come
to me like they know my job.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
That's nice, not just you.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
Oh, you're exactly right. And I had her on speakerphone.
And the good thing is is I'm not working for
a corporation, so then I'm recording my calls. But I
put her on speaker and that was money that I
was getting sick, and I basically I just told you know,
I wasn't nice tour.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
I was rude.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
I was just firm, and I wasn't nice tour. And
then lo and behold, I wasn't there Tuesday because I
was sick from work, and then I wasn't at work
on Wednesday, and I went back today. So when I
went back today, my buddy came in, my other friend
came in from the first story, and he bought his
Alaskan husky with them, and then he was picking up
a nameplate for the urn, you know, an engraved nameplate,

(11:52):
And he comes inside with the husky and the husky
like lays down, and then the husky gets up.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
And it was acting nervous in the funeral home.

Speaker 5 (12:01):
In mind you the current place that I work at,
we really don't feel any bad juju there. But the
husky started howling like huskies do. And my buddy looks
at me and he goes, this is unusual for him.
And I'm like, that's kind of weird. He doesn't do that.
He's like, no, he doesn't start howling. So we continued
our conversation outside of the funeral home. Make with that

(12:23):
which you will, But that happened to me today. Continuing
the story from last week, which was a Tuesday night,
I went to the locker room and I was playing
hockey on Wednesday, and I mentioned the story that we
ended with on Tuesday, and one of the there's a
firefighter that I skate with, and he said, you know,

(12:43):
my dad.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Sold this particular famous.

Speaker 5 (12:47):
Person the jeep that he passed away in, which was
more synchronicity at how close knit everything is here.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
So that was kind of weird on Wednesday, after the
story that I ended with on Tuesday night.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
Wednesday morning, I'm literally telling that story in the locker room,
and the guy crossed the street from me.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
He goes, you know, my father worked for such and such.

Speaker 5 (13:09):
There was like Dan Andrews Jeep, Chrysler and clay Water
here and so in the jeep that he died.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
Go figure, Yeah, that's wild. After we had kind of
concluded the last conversation with that, that sort of revelation
that you had prepared that that individual again spoiler alert,
go go go go watch the end of the other
one a famous wrestler. Let's say we'll leave it at that.
But I mean, yeah, and okay, so so I want
to say this too regarding this. So we didn't touch

(13:38):
a lot on this last time, but it definitely brings out.
I did mention it, but we didn't really discuss deeply.
And this is what you're doing here as part of
this is that when somebody passes away, right, like, there's
all these just freaking out emotions that go through you know,
the people that are still here moaning them all the stuff. Right,
Sometimes it's expected, sometimes it's not, but it does have

(13:59):
a way of bringing out the worst in people, which
is just just horrific to see. It tears families apart
when it comes to this type of stuff and it's
over money, it's I mean, it's over things. It's over
you know, material possessions, and it's like that's sort of
the last thing on my mind when those types of
things happen. But that's why I don't get anything in
Wales or whatever. I mean, I'm just I'm just saying,

(14:19):
you know, like some people spend their entire life angling
for the will when somebody passes away, and some people,
you know, spend their time being there with the person
while they're still here. That's just the whole dichotomy is
just really grotesque. But yeah, I'm sure you've seen a
ton of that well, and that's what.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Makes it worse.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
It's like you could predict, you know, the DJ the djying.
I've got to read the room, the funeral home.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
I got to read the room.

Speaker 5 (14:46):
I am tired of predicting human nature two or three
moves ahead, maybe even four or five with certain political things.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
But you get old. It gets old.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
It gets old, you know, you think you're gonna pull
it over on me. Gets old, and you know, and
that's it. And that's the other reason why I think
I'm honest too, because I could be a sales guy.
I could be a sales shock to these people. But
you know, it's you know, I shouldn't have to give
you the facets of a casket. It should sell itself.
This casket is more expensive because it looks better, right,

(15:17):
I shouldn't have to push it. I tell people this is,
this means the requirements, this is what it costs. You
can get this or you can get that. Doesn't matter
to me. Family place I work for, it doesn't pay
me on commission. They just pay me and they pay
me enough, and that's okay, you know, But yeah, human nature,
it is.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
It's taxing.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
And then you could say that the negativity follows you,
whether it's spiritual negativity or just negativity from the lows
of human beings that are alive in front of you,
that are draining you. I think that's more of what
it is because I can make the contrast to one
I DJ like. I DJ this last Saturday and I
was pretty crappy with some people, and I'm usually not,

(15:59):
but someone asked me to play literally asked me to
play Nickelback, and I about died. And then also in
the middle of the pack room, I literally shut the
music off.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
And told somebody, what do you want to hear?

Speaker 5 (16:10):
And I did it twice, and then they thought they
were gonna heckle me, and the rest of the pack
dance floor heckled them until they stop and they get
out of the way. And I've never done that. I've
never done that. But the same thing is is I
don't have a DJ name. I'm just a backup people
ask me, so I really don't care. So whader's I
got a pack dance floor and that's what I go for.

(16:31):
But you could always tell when these people come up
and they want something that's totally out of the ordinary,
and all they can think of is themselves instead of
seeing apparently you're the only one having but the two
hundred people I have out there are having fun, but
you're the only one that literally.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Has come up to complain.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Yeah, so yeah, you can't.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
It's a total human thing.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
And when I get approached for that, whether it's for
money or for music, it's a self centered ego.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
The ego, the ego always coming back to bite us.
Anything on any of that, James, The hitchhiker effect again
is one of the things that fascinates the hell out
to be. It's not just the attachment of negative energy,
but as you're describing negative emotions as well, is there
anything else on that chames that you want to add it,
as far as the panormal space or whatever else you
got on that idea or anything else by the way.

Speaker 6 (17:19):
Yeah, there's reports from paranormal investigators who go and check
places out and that where they have experiences, and sometimes
it's it's relatively mild things shadows, they'll see shadows, they'll
have objects move. Other times there are more rare cases

(17:40):
where it's extreme and they don't ever they have to
basically seek help to get the energy removed, and sometimes
they even never investigate again in some rare cases. So
it is a thing that I can see happening, and
it's I always thought that was fascinating because I've known
of that for a while now, and then I turned

(18:02):
about the whole Skinwalker ransling, and I thought that that's fascinating.
That's two different you would take two different types of situations,
but maybe not so much.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
Yeah, the the you know, the alien or whatever is
going on there, that they've got the ancient entity, the
Skinwalker itself, but then also sort of this weird space
of sort of hauntings and attachment and energy and stuff.
As we said, not to the previous show here that
we did together, but the previous Troubled Mind show. We
talked a little bit about that idea of classifying these energies,

(18:35):
like we have a hard time with it anyway, you know,
Bigfoot and aliens and things like this, anything that's sort
of as yet proven scientifically, you know, whatever that means
to you. It's still still really up in the air
as far as what we name these things, the naming
conventions of humans in the ambiguous space, for sure, what
does you?

Speaker 5 (18:53):
God, go ahead, So I don't know if we want
to tell a way up, Sorry, James, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
No.

Speaker 6 (19:00):
I was gonna ask who who wanted to go next,
But I was just gonna say that's true with even
with skin Walker that's a very specific type of entity
according to people from from that part of the country, Utah,
in all those areas. And but then people who aren't
as familiar with it, they wonder, do that are they

(19:21):
when they have encounters? Are they seeing that? And they'll
use that name when maybe it's not necessarily that, and
not that they're doing that to be ignorant or disrespectfully.
They just don't know.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Sorry, go ahead, will you, Joe?

Speaker 5 (19:35):
So, so does anybody who's just do you want me
to tell a quick story that might be kind of
funny here that I had going on too, and we could.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Kind of go back to the questions.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
So anyway, I don't know if anybody true story, any
of these are true. So, but has anybody ever dealt
with this guidance in their house and felt like it
might have been a ghost but surely wasn't really a ghost.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
So anyway, I've had a decent collection of.

Speaker 5 (19:57):
Hot Wheels cars and some of them were Treasure Hunt
series and they could be worth some money. So I
had moved out of my parents' house and I left
some of the collectibles and items in my old room.
Every once in a while, I would crash back in home.
Sometimes on a few occasions I would notice things moved around,
but upon deeper inspection, this particular time, I had something missing.
It in some of the cars missing, so specifically some

(20:19):
of those hot wheels cars. So I was wondering about
who was in my room. One day in passing, I'd
asked my parents if they had moved anything in my room,
and they seemed puzzled, but you know, I pressed on
and I told them that I was missing some cars
and stuff. So then they have recalled that we had
it was either a hurricane or like a tropical storm.
It had come through for gave me. I'm like changing

(20:41):
the page here, but I'm reading. But anyway, so this
tropical storm hurricane that had come through was it was
some years ago, like probably over ten years ago. I
was working in the crematory, but we had some family
members stay in the room. It was like my mom's
cousin and her husband, and her husband was kind of
a joker in the family. God blets his but anyway,

(21:02):
so they tell me that, you know, these folks had
stayed in my room, and then I'll all realized that.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
My mom's cousin had stayed there. So again he was joker.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
He was a little bit suspected, but he had a
reputation of being a kleptomaniac.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
So it was him.

Speaker 5 (21:16):
We knew it was him and stole the cars, but
I felt bad I didn't confront him as he was
in his old age.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
He had diabetes, he was missing a leg from his
knee down.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
So anyway, fast forward a few years and he passes
away and I ended up doing the cremation.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Like I had to do the cremation, so I.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
Says, laying in the box, I literally forgave him for
a second. You know, I looked around jokingly to see
if the cars were with him, but I knew he
wasn't gonna have the Hot.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Wheels cars in the box. That would have just been
a miracle.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
However, when you do the final check and you look
for jewelry and you look for items, his prosthetic leg
was in the box, which could have been cremated to him,
but I removed it. Anyway, after the cremation, I brought
him home to my house so that his wife I
have to come pick him up, and I bought the
cremating range back to.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
My parents' house, I should say.

Speaker 5 (22:05):
So I put the bag with the box of ashes
on the table and my dad basically goes, what the
hell is that? And I'm like, it's franky, and my
dad freaks out and says, get him out of here.
He stole stuff from the house. And I literally reply,
I turned around and I'm holding up the prosthetic and
I go, it's okay.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
I forgave him and I took his leg.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
So anyway, it always made me remember how people will
be remembered, and it's my lesson to try and keep
you know, to keep too, although sometimes I fail, but
you want to forgive people. But yeah, I had his
leg and my dad was like, get that hell out
of here.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
But the morbid humor that comes with the job, yeah,
I don't know. Like I said, we said this last
time too, I don't know if I could do it. Man, Like,
just kind of seeing new stuff every day, every other day,
just and again being so sort of entrenched in the community.
You know a ton of people there because I have to.
You just have to that you know that this malady,
the finality of humans is something we all deal with.

(23:03):
So I mean, I just can't imagine, man, you were
again a hero to me, just for that about a
minute left and then we'll take a break.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
So real quick story. I went in the cooler. We
had an idea body. We had this woman. She was very,
very heavy, like four hundred pounds heavy. She was still
on the EMS plastic board, the EMS boards strapped in.
So we get in there, me and my buddy Daryl,
who looks like that. I forget the actor again, the
actor that was on the Green Mile that passed away,
and he was an arm again.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Anyhow, he's in there.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
I climb in the rack, in this little rack, and
I'm cutting with the razor knife the little nylon cables
that have the woman strapped in. And as I'm cutting them,
he's pulling, trying to get her out of this rack.
And I'm crouched in this rack with this body that
barely fits in there. And I pull one of the straps,
cut the strap. He pulls the body and this woman's
arms just flops out and pins me in the cooler.

(23:54):
And he takes off running, shuts the door and closes
the light on the cooler and I'm stuck in the
cooler with this sleeve's on, just having me pinned in there,
and I'm screaming, you know, until I finally just like,
because you're screaming, you laugh, what can you do now?
I finally just pushed her arm back up and I
real well out. And it was just awkward and weird that,

(24:16):
you know, being pinned by a very very unfortunately large
human being that probably passed.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Away way younger than she needed.

Speaker 5 (24:24):
But it was kind of a crazy, real life thing
that happened there among all the other crazy stories that
I probably would have time.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
For, you know, indeed, you will have some time to
to tell some of those fire stuff. Appreciate that. We're
here with Joe in Florida tonight, a funeral director, an
old friend from the days of yere when we started
Troubled Minds. He was one of our first callers they
called back. He's been a good friend ever since. We're
also here with James Salcido of Salcito Paranormal. If you
know what me loving the glue of the show, the
paranormal expert of Troubled Minds. I'm Michael Strange. Be right back.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
More on the way.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
Lots of things to talk about. We are taking your calls.
I'll tell you about that when we returned. See you
on the other side of the it can be all
right back. Welcome back to Troubled Minds. I'm your host,

(25:28):
Michael Strange. We're streaming at all the places, all the things.
You can find all that stuff at Troubledminds dot Org,
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Trouble Minds Radio Network AUAP Digital broadcasting streaming on all
the places tonight. We're taking your calls as we're I'm
calling this Watched by the Dead. This is part two
with our friend Joe and of course the paranormal expert
James of Troubled Minds Stall see the paranormal what funeral

(25:52):
directors know. And it's an interesting space. Like I've talked
about this a lot in the past, not just you know,
our truck drivers and you know that in visible process,
the people who stought grocery stores overnight. Shout out our
friend out there that does that. You know who you are.
There's many of you that kind of do these things
where the world just kind of keeps on truck and
because people are you know, working by dark of night,

(26:12):
or people are you know, kind of driving and doing
things that nobody thinks about needs to get done, but
they get done. And certainly, as I said before, that
final transaction, the human transaction of when somebody passes is
something we don't think about until it happens to us,
not directly but in a close circle of family or
friends or whatever. Tragic always and difficult always, but there

(26:34):
are professionals people that actually handle this and Joe again
been working in that business for years. Thanks again for
spending some time with us tonight and sharing your wisdom
and knowledge. Welcome back to the joints. Still feeling okay?
And well let us continue? Shall we more from James
in a second here? But what else you got you?
Welcome back? I hope you're feeling okay.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
Yeah, earthing is good, you know, but yeah, it was
just one of those scoofy times and I got pinned,
you know, in the colder and stuff.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Totally absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
There was another time where sometimes I was allowed to
have friends come in, not to really see, like they
didn't see the loved ones, but they would see the
box and they would have to watch from.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Like the gate, from like the garage.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
When I used to work at the crematory because a
lot of these stores are from the crevatory, so it
was like a torpedo loader. You would put the box
on the machine and load it in. I don't know
if I said during the last show, but I had
a buddy of mine watching. Then when you opened up
the door to the retort to the oven, everything was
you know, it was flame, it's hot, it's going. But

(27:40):
I pushed a button to the loader and the box
is loading in, and then the loader gets stuck at jams,
and I've got a box that's almost in, but it's
still getting heated, and I can't push the machine to
get ant in there. Next thing you know, the box
starts smoking and catching five outside of the machine, and

(28:02):
I'm like my balls, I'm like yelling over the chains,
and my buddy was looking like in horror.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
You know.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
It's probably why I don't have my friends come out
when i'm actually DJ. I usually just surprised do it,
because I don't want anybody to see if something goes wrong.
Of course, the machine jams. My boss comes running out.
We're pushing this box in and my arm hairs. Everybody's
done it get their arm hair on fire. But my
arm hairs were all singed and on fire, got the

(28:33):
door closed, got the creation done. It was it was ridiculous.
It was absolutely ridiculous. It was another word of those
times where you're literally horrified, but at the same time
you're kind of laughing when it got done and you
got the box loaded in.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
So yeah, the uh one of those times you wish
you had a camera rolling with Joe. And I've joked
about this over the years on and off that he
kind of feels like he needs to make some kind
of sitcom out of this because there's just so many
like amazing moments that are, you know, not just morbid,
but also hilarious. And I guess the genre would be
hilariously morbid. We got to we're gonna talk to David

(29:11):
just Hankti, Dave, give me just a moment. We'll get
to you just a second, James, anything to add to that,
and then we'll go to a Dave of Viking superpowers.
And I think that's for being patient.

Speaker 6 (29:20):
Well just yeah, I can imagine. I can't imagine the
things that happen with all that. That's uh, yeah, there's
things that you know, there's a genre though that dark
humor is a thing nowadays that that's a whole genre
of comedy and fiction, both in TV and in books

(29:41):
and everything, and so I'd imagine that would probably that
kind of a show would do.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
Okay, Yeah, in the twenty twenty five where everything is
twisted and upside down, I would think so too. Speaking
of which, Missus Strange is watching American Horror Story. I
guess there's twelve seasons of that. And we've also been
watching a little bit on and off of American Gods
and that's Joe show. He said, he brought it up
several times on this show, and I'm like, I'm a

(30:06):
little bit horrified when I'm watching and I'm like, what
the hell is this? Like, what is going on? So
no spoilers. I'm enjoying it, but it's definitely one of
those jarring ones where you're like, what in the hell
is going on with this? But the far stuff. We
are taking your calls tonight. If you want to be
part of the conversation seven oh two nine one zero
three seven click to discord link a trouble minds Dotter,
we'll put you on the show. We're calling this Watched
by the Dead. What funeral directors know let's go to

(30:29):
Australia to our good buddy. What's up, Dave Lovegrove of
Viking Superpowers? How you been man, Welcome back to Trouble Minds.
How are you and what's on your mind?

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Go ahead, I'm great night. You can leave me okay,
loud and clear.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
You sound fantastic, my.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Man, fantastic. Well, I you know you always your show
always pops up on my phone and if I if
I can, I love to jump in and listen. And
I was just as soon as I saw funeral directors,
I laughed, because you know, the old clear showed Westerns

(31:01):
the sheriff and the doc and the funeral director, you know,
and there's the mayor. But they're sort of like pieces
from a game. And I've actually been the sheriff. I've
been the doc at least as a nurse, but you know,
I've been the guy after gun. I've been the the

(31:22):
old spot doctor who stitches everyone up. But I had
did a two day stint as a funeral director. I've
sort of got the trifector of Western movies covered, and
I'd love to get one of those big black hats.
But what the reason why I wanted to tell you

(31:43):
about this is I was dubious about doing this job
because from both being a law man and being a
nurse for you know, almost ten years together, I had,
you know, somewhat had PTSD and I'd seen a lot
of death. And this friend of mine was really talking

(32:05):
me into the job, like, it'll be great day. You know,
you won't have to do anything really icky. You know,
you've got a great presentation, bloody, bloody blah. So I said,
all right, gets my sort of better judgment. I said, okay,
I'll do it. So I had this black suit. I
go out with this guy and we were to pick

(32:27):
up a body at the morgue at the local hospital.
Now when I was we sort of wait and they
take us in and they bring this body out in
a bag and I didn't really get to see it.
So we get back to the funeral home and it
looked bumpy to me, the bag, and when we zipped
it open, this poor man was in there. But I

(32:49):
mean he looked like he was trying to get out
of his coffin. You know, his body was all over
the place, his arms or up, his head was up,
his mouth was open, one leg was kicking, And I
said to the senior guy, like, what the heck is this?
You know, like when I was a nurse, when someone died,
one of the first things we did was lay them out,

(33:10):
meaning basically put them in a nice flat position with
their palms under their legs so that when rigamorter said him,
they were nice and straight right, And he said, oh,
I've got really slack about this. They don't care less.
They just put the body in, you know, a position.
When I was appalled by this, you know, the guy

(33:31):
looked like he was screaming, you know, and I you
know how you can't just mind thinks it's got the situation,
but you can feel the other mind squirming. And I thought, oh,
I don't like this. You know, there's something I really
don't like about this. And I said, what are you
going to do? He said, oh, well, you know we're

(33:53):
going to have to break the arms. No, no, no,
I'm oh, hell no, you know. And I went out
and saw my friend who got me the gig, and
I said, look, I just you know, I'm trying to
be brave here, but honestly, this is really freaking out.
I sat there was a lot of ancient stress coming

(34:15):
up for me, just seeing that poor man, and oh,
you don't have to break his legs. You just stay
here and we'll go and do it. So I go
home and next thing, I just got the most horrendous
gut pain, like almost screaming level gut pain. And my
wife rushed me up to the hospital and I ended

(34:37):
up in there for like four days. It was a
miserable four days. I had this nasey gastric chub down
the nose, which is an awful thing to eat for
four days. Upside was, I lost a bit of weight.
But the only time I've ever had something like that
happened was many years before. My wife and I were

(34:57):
going for a walk in Sydney. You near these very
high cliffs, and we just went up there for the view.
But it was an infamous suicide spot. And as it
got really dark, people started to leave and I saw
a man coming towards me. I couldn't really make him
out in the gloom, but as he went past me,

(35:19):
I could tell he was sobbing. And I spun around
and I said to my wife, quick, find somebody with
a phone. This is just when we were just people
just getting fanes. Go after those people. And I knew
those I sort of noticed that those people actually started
to move quicker, and I think that they picked up
what I picked up and thought we get out of

(35:42):
here when I got to deal with this, and so
she ran after him to ring the police. I went
after this guy. He climbs over the fence. It's like
a three hundred foot drop under rocks, and I just
took him by the Charlie's a big, strong young guy.
I said, hey, brother, what are you doing on the
wrong side of the fence. You're not supposed to be
over there. And he sobbing his head off and he's

(36:05):
talking incoherently, and so I'm just talking to him. Eventually
the police came, but it was about half an hour.
The whole time, I'm sort of convincing him, look, you know, fuck,
you'll hit the bottom, you come out of your body,
you'll go Why did I do that? He's telling me
it's all about a girl who's left him. And he's

(36:26):
a stockbroker, so he's got money. And anyway, it took
us about an hour and a half. Eventually just physically
picked the guy up off the ground and pulled him
over the fence, and the police took him away. The
next morning, I woke up with the same thing as
if I'd been shot in the guts and went to
the hospital and was in agony for ages. And I

(36:51):
do think, you know, from that second event, I thought
at the time of that that one with the Cliff,
that it was like somehow I'd taken a big hit
to save his life, Like this was like something really
negative wished him to die, and I'd wrestled with it

(37:11):
and stopped it. And this other poor body. I don't
know if that's what happened, but it seemed uncanny that
the lack of dignity and the just the ugliness of
the situation struck me that as if something could have

(37:32):
happened to me, you know, like because I was involved,
Like it wasn't fair. But that's my in all director story.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
You know, I love it.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
I love it. It is amazing and horrific and all
at the same time. And by the way, props to you,
kudos for again stepping in. You know, like many people
just turn turn the other way and horrific things happened,
but you legit saved a man's life. So that's the
way we need more. Dave love Groves and the world absolutely,
and the attachment part, which is clearly what we're talking

(38:04):
about here. I'm similar, by the way, like I'm pretty
pretty stoic in the moment when things like this go
go down. I don't lose my mind. I don't freak out,
you know, I'm like the guy you want there. But
then the next day, two days later, I am the same.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
I am.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
I've got bubble guts to the like ninth degree and
I'm just ill like ill. It's a and it reminds
me of that old idea the sin eaters right where
they'd pay these people to kind of like eat the
sins out of you know, figuratively, but you know, they
believed it was really happening. That's an old tale. But yeah,
amazing stuff. I appreciate you sharing that that the two
day stint is the funeral director too. That's absolutely wild.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Joe.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
Anything for Dave while we got on here, appreciate you
to day for sure, don't go anywhere.

Speaker 5 (38:45):
I had a friend of mine that needed a job
really really bad, and he was a driver. I think
his first two days he astid probably two or three
days driving and he quit. And the thing that comes
to mind with your story is you were those three things.
You had empathy. So you know, if you're an officer

(39:06):
of the law, you know you try to hopefully not
really want to be brutal or mean the people or
whatever it is. You want to try to understand when
people need help.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
So you've seen all of that.

Speaker 5 (39:18):
But what immediately came to mind from the American standpoint
here and part of the history here was older funeral homes,
like in the fifties and sixties, the hearse also doubled
as the ambulance.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
So this gets into compassion and empathy. So a lot
of the.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
Funeral homes would take a stint one week. This funeral
hall would be on call for the hospitals, so they
would double as like the paramedics and the funeral law.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
So what happens if you pick.

Speaker 5 (39:48):
Somebody up that was close to death or not doing well,
and let's just say that the funeral holl was slow
and that ambulance took the long way to the hospital.
You follow what I'm saying. So those were ethical arguments

(40:08):
that you see in the law, at least in Florida.
I've seen in the law here, and it's actually part
of an argument that I've got going on right now
with certain things that concern and trap it.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
But yeah, definitely.

Speaker 5 (40:22):
And then, like I said, I was in the hospital
on Monday, and it was just because probably I stressed
myself out and I was around some very terrible people.
Most of the time, I don't think about it. I
think that I've had the ability to cautiously cut myself

(40:42):
off in partition things in my mind. It's not to
say that I don't suffer from you know, bad juju
or things that I've seen, or that I don't have
anybody to vent to or tell anybody, but yeah, you definitely.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Stop somebody, and that's a good thing.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
And I had somebody that went through with it this
week and you know, and was found and the medical
esey was involved, and you know, I had to pick
up the pieces and it's very impersonal, but it's something
where the person's my age, and that suicidal ideation, I
guess you want to call it is more prevalent. And

(41:22):
I don't know how it is in Australia, but they
do say that at a certain age that shows up
for one reason or another. And I don't know how
old the guy was that you stopped, but good on
you for stopping it.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Yeah, thanks mate. Can you still hate me?

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Yep?

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yep? Yeah. Well the guy I stopped was only a
young man. He probably was like twenties, very handsome, well dressed,
you know, he was a stockbroker, and I definitely felt
there was an evil entity at him. Like I'm not
a religious person, I'm a spiritual person, but I do

(42:06):
I have encountered negative energies a couple of times where
it was definitely something you could feel it, you know,
something really angry and evil. And I felt something was
trying to cause this guy to jump. And I was
just like the angel saying to him, no, brother, when
you hit, when you hit there, you come out of

(42:26):
your body. Because I know that happens, and I know
that you'll regret it and then maybe you'll have to
live this life again to you know, do a better
job this time or something like that. And you don't
want to do that. Let's keep you here, let's work
it out. But I take my hat off to you.

(42:48):
I swear to God. As a law man, you know,
a sheriff, I saw plenty of dead people and violent
deaths that we've just come upon them or be sent
out to them before the ambis got there. But yeah,
I realized I wasn't up to it. In my little stint,

(43:08):
I had enough. And I thought about all of you
guys who do it as a profession. You've got huge hearts.
It's extraordinary because it takes a toll on you.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Oh yeah, it does.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
But I think it's the human. For me, it's the
customers and the human toll. Sometimes it gets it gets difficult.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
You know.

Speaker 5 (43:31):
I usually have the same script and say the same things,
but you know, you just have families in different states
of grief and you got to try to calm them down.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
You know.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
I had a lady that came in a couple of
weeks ago. I hadn't seen her in like two years,
and she came in to pick up prayer cards at
her husband. Same thing took his took his own life,
and he was like in his sixties. And when she's
seen me, she started crying because I walked her through everything.
But I couldn't really help her this time because I
was with another family. I just stopped out to say ahi,

(44:07):
And you know, she admits that she's like, I'm an alcoholic,
I drink, I'm you know, I'm in bad shape and
blah blah blah, and and you know, there's a line
that I have to not cross where it's like, you
know that they have to seek help.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
And at some point they have to seek that on
their own. That's the difficult thing. It's like, where's that
where's that line?

Speaker 5 (44:30):
You want to counsel people, you want to talk to people,
But at the same time, when people are done with
the funeral home picking up their ashes or the certificates,
they move on. And most of them move on, you
know healthy. Some of them don't, and I don't. You
don't always know that. You don't always know if they
have a support system or not, so.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
You just kind of hope you don't see them.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, I've actually got a very personal story I haven't
told anybody about. I've got a you show channel where
I talk about these sort of things. But would you, Mike,
would you mind if it is about my mom when
she passed?

Speaker 4 (45:09):
Yeah, definitely, So we got Yeah, I'd love to hear it.
So we get we have about four or five minutes left.
Do you want to wait till after the break and
hang out with us a little bit? Or is it
something I don't want to cut you short because it
is such a personal thing. Break Okay, So stay right there.
We're going to get back to David hear this, and
I appreciate you considering sharing it with us. Again, I

(45:30):
consider you a really good friend. And this is this
is why we do this, people to talk, people talking
to each other about things that you kind of need
to get off your chest. Sometimes you need to say
the words. So I appreciate you very much. Yeah, great stuff. Okay,
so hey type for that. We're going to get back
and hear that from you. James. Anything on what anything
was said here, We'll rewind this down and then come
back after the break and keep on trucking.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Well.

Speaker 6 (45:53):
Mental health is important and energy is involved, I think,
and I think it's not something that's always talked about,
but I think there are based on just all the
things I've heard and read and people's that have talked
about these things, there, it seems like there may be
positive and negative forces out there that may interact with

(46:16):
people with their minds, with their bodies different ways. And
it's something that I think we should all be aware
of being a possibility, and then all we can do
is deal with it as well. As we can if
we encounter anything like that. And I agree that I'm

(46:37):
glad that they was able to help with that person
in that case. But I can't imagine because I'm just
thinking whenever I get nervous or stressed for a long time,
I do get like an upset stomach. After it's done,
i'm feeling better mentally, I will have a day or

(46:57):
two where my stomach is upset. Man, that's just with
everyday ordinary life. I'm not in any kind of job.
I'm not in any kind of position, and so I
can only imagine what people in any kind official positions
in the in visual process along those lines of dealing

(47:18):
with medical treatment and or afterwards, what you all have
to deal with. So you are amazing for dealing with
that and and yeah, thank you for being here and
sharing with everyone.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Yeah, on hundred percent, it's a This is one of
those things. I'll play the during the breakthare. I'll make
sure we play the you know, the suicide hotline and stuff.
This wasn't supposed to be that type of show, but
that's real. It's human stuff. These are things that you know,
people deal with and not just maybe maybe not personally
that that dark energy you're describing, but people around us,
and just a reminder, you know, one of the most

(47:53):
important parts of being human is to just do the
human thing for the human next to you and all
this stuff. When I when I see all the tragedies
and things going on in the news and whatever, I'm
just like, like, look at all this stuff that's going
on that we're arguing over nonsense, and instead of doing
the human thing, we're just we're just like calling for

(48:13):
more violence and things like this. It just absurd. The
absurdity of the mass media just drives me nuts. And
I digress. But it's a yeah, it is. It is horrific.
Anything else, Joe, And then we'll get back to a
Dave after the break here. Appreciate you guys being patient
with each other. Got about two minutes left and we'll
take a break. We'll play that commercial and some music
and say hi to the chat.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Go ahead, Joe, if we got about two minutes.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
Yeah, So I want to try to get this quick
at least funny, half hearted story. And a couple of
years ago, I won a costume contest around Halloween at
the club that I DJ at. So the stuff that
I won, well, there's a bunch of sex toys. Weird
leading off anyways, sex toys, and I had them, and

(49:01):
I stuck him into the house because my wife would
have been like, what the house. My wife finds them
in the bedroom and she's like, she's like, you got
to get rid of these things, right, So she's like,
you gotta get rid of these sex toys. So I
put them in the back in the pickup truck. Like
what the hell am I going to do with this?
So I forget about them. I'm driving around. My friend's
mother dies. I do the cremation for him. He's going
to come meet me at the house. So I have

(49:22):
the cremated remains in my pickup truck and I realize
that I've also had sex toys in the pickup truck
with ashes, and all I could keep thinking was if
I get pulled over by the cops, this is going
to be ridiculous, right. So my buddy and we both
knew some strippers.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
I still know some strippers. We use some strippers and everything.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
So my buddy comes to the house. My wife, who
works in food service, is like, give your buddy a turkey.
He comes to the house, to the front door, and
I've got like a bag and then I've got another
bag at the truck that my wife doesn't know about.
And I literally give him his mom's ashes. One hand,
he's got a frozen turkey in the other hand. He's

(50:04):
cracking up. I'm walking to the true I walk into
his was like his suv or whatever. I grab another
bag full of toys. He's like, what's that. I'm like, dude,
just get rid of these for me. So when he
got home, he was like, he's cracking up. And we
always we always joke about that because.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
He was surreal.

Speaker 5 (50:21):
He like left my house ashes in one arm, frozen turkey,
and the other. I gave him the sex toys to
give away. God knows what happened to him.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
That's that spawns a thousand jokes right there, the bag
of dildos jokes.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Yeah, it was totally ridiculous, man.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Fire Stuff. Appreciate the the tales and the personal experiences
and the expertise. We're here tonight with Joe and Florida
the funeral director and James selci To Selcia To a Paranormal,
the panormal expert of Troubled Minds, All dear friends, and
of course Dave Love Grow, thanks for calling in. We're
gonna hear a tale from him when we get back.
A personal experience that's Viking superpowers. Give all these fine

(50:58):
gentlemen a following. Trouble mind or forward side friends. If
you're at back, we're on the way. Hang tights. Got
to play some music and we'll be back in just
a quick moments. See on the other side of the break.
Beefe boop boop. Michael Strange out for a moment. Welcome

(51:30):
back to Troubled Minds, all the places, all the things.
Troubledminds dot Org, KUAP Digital Broadcasting eighty eight point four
FM Aukland, New Zealand. Tonight, we're talking with our good
friend Joe and Florida, who is a funeral director, which
is timely since it is October thirtieth. If you're listening
to us tomorrow, Happy Halloween, All hallos e whether you
celebrate or not, one way or the other. The world

(51:51):
continues to turn. Tonight's we're considering that invisible process that
I like to call it, and the final transaction of
the human space. Are professionals that handle this on a
daily basis, and well, Joe's one of them. And he's
a good friend for a long time, and we're kind
of talking the ins and outs of the business and
not just that, but the experience of being an actual

(52:11):
funeral director. And like I said, just the idea creeps
me out because I look, I can handle it in
the moment, but I'm telling you, I take the stuff
home with me. I would not be a good dude
to be doing this because it would just give me.
I would just just suck up that negative energy. It
would be horrible. It would just be horrible for me. So,
like I said, I'm glad there's people out there that
can do this on a professional basis and handle it.

(52:33):
And hey, take care of yourself. Joe, welcome back to
the joint. How you do and how you're feeling. Just
a reminder too, we got one more hour left, and
we'll end this a little bitterly because we're going to
just do two hour show tonight instead three, and then
season finale on Sunday night. Welcome back, Joe. Still still okay,
what's going on? My man?

Speaker 3 (52:49):
We'll set here. I believe we have a story.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
We do we do Okay, all right, cool, just checking in,
just checking and make sure, Okay, cool, let's go back
to Dave lovegrowth, who's going to share a personal experience.
You sure you're okay with this? Like I said, this
is a very human space, that's why we do this.
But if it's very personal to you and you've never
told anybody ever, I asked you to reconsider only because

(53:13):
you know, once it's out there, you can't take it back.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yeah. No, that's absolutely fine. Mate. It's over a year
ago and I've sort of sat on not just waiting
for the right time, and I feel like this is
a right time. I am going to make a video
on my own channel about it. But essentially, my dear
old mum Freyer she became. She wasn't getting senile, really,

(53:42):
but she was finding it harder and harder to look
after herself. So we helped to get into a nursing
home there where we live, and she was eighty nine
in the end. She started to nod this night every
thirty seconds. She seemed to be falling asleep. So I

(54:04):
got the nurse. They checked her out. They said, well,
we don't really know what this is, but we'll zip
her up to the hospital. So I followed her up
and they did some tests and they said, well, she's
got a flu, but she's also had a bit of
a small heart attack. So I brought the wife and

(54:27):
the kids up and we all had to wear masks
and gowns, and she was in an isolation room, and yeah,
I got to chat to Mum and she, you know,
she was happy. She wasn't distressed, she wasn't feeling pain.
But they said, look, we'll let her rest. You guys

(54:49):
go and come back tomorrow morning. And I said, well,
did I stay, like, you know, i'd like to stay
if m Mom's likely to pass. They said, no, no,
it's not going to happen. She's fine. You know, it's
a mild heart attack. She's got a bit of a flu,
but please don't worry. You feel good about going home,

(55:10):
and she'll be she'll be back at the nursing home tomorrow.
So I went up to the cube window and it
was just a little glass square and I looked in
and Mum saw me, and I pulled down the mask
that I'd had on, and Mum gave me the biggest smile,
like a really beautiful smile, and she blew me a

(55:32):
kiss and I blew her a kiss back. But something
passed between us. It was like a real see you later.
It wasn't just thanks for coming. I felt something, and
I saw in her face a knowledge that something big
was happening. And she'd always been a Christian, but she

(55:54):
was a strange sort of Christian in that she's so
completely open minded. She loved all my Norse to is.
She loved nothing better than me reading Viking stories in
Icelandic tour, but often talk about the Vikings and the history.
So I'm sitting at home and I start to feel

(56:16):
quite panicked. I'm thinking, man, I really I should go
up to be with mum. And even though a couple
of the sisters had said, look, don't worry about it,
she'll be right, something was telling me you need to
get to the hospital. I'm watching. I just turned on
the TV and randomly that Star Wars series came on.

(56:43):
What's it called, it's a guy's name, it's one of
the best things in recent years, or and or that's right,
So it's about episode eight. It just randomly started playing,
and I hadn't watched it for a few weeks. For
some reason, it just popped up. I thought, I'll watch that.

(57:05):
I'm enjoying that, so it starts playing and then I
see the mother of and Or. She dies and they
put her in a coffin and she's being floated out
of the house and I got that eerie feeling. I said,
oh a minute. And then next scene, and Or rings.

(57:27):
He's on the Runney rings from the planet he's on
and his mate answers on this secret phone and Andel's
raving and he says, no, stop, please, you know, stop talking.
I got something to tell you. He says, I'm sorry
about this, but your mother is dead, right, and then

(57:48):
Andal is shocked and just and I was shocked, and
I thought, this is just really clutched at the wind.
And then the phone rang and it was I got
up and went to it, but it rang off, so
I rang back. I saw it was the hospital and
there was a young Chinese nurse and she when I

(58:15):
said who I was, she goes, I'm sorry to tell
you this, but your mother is dead, which is an
Australian native English speaker. I generally wouldn't say that. It's
just a little bit too to the point, but she,
for her, there was a reasonable thing to say, you know,
my mother was dead, but she said exactly the same

(58:35):
words that they just said on and Or, and I
got this shire up my spine and I said, right,
I'll be straight up. And as I was sitting there,
I decided to film myself. So I filmed myself telling
this story, and I rewound and I filmed what happened
on the show, and I said, at this hour, this day,

(58:58):
this happened. I believe my other just told me that
she died. You know, her spirit came and by some
magic made that show come on at that exact time
and said exactly what that nurse had said. So I
zipped up to the hospital and I went in to
see mum and she just looked like she was asleep

(59:19):
with the mouth open. And as always with I've seen
many deceased persons, and it was my mum. But it
was like a Tussad's waxwork version. A dead body never
feels alive, like odd thing to say, but something's gone.
You can feel it. It's like it's a cocoon and

(59:42):
the beautiful butterflies got out. And so that's the story.
And I, yeah, a lot of things happened after that.
I ended up going to Scandinavia, partly from a little
bit of money that Mum had passed on to me.
She'd said to me, I really want you to go.

(01:00:03):
She didn't say how it would happen, but she said,
I really would like you to go to Iceland. You've
been dreaming about Scandinavia for fifty years and I all
these things happen in Scandinavia, and it just felt like
Mum was there setting things up for me the same way.
I should know. That show tell me about her passing,

(01:00:26):
and her name was Freyer and she'd chosen that name
for her self years back. So yeah, it was that's
my story.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
That's incredible, and I do wonder there's a lot of
things in play there that are very synchronistic, that are
very exact spot on, bang on. It makes you wonder, right,
like what kind of sort of energy passes between in
that transaction that you know when people do pass. And again,
thank you for sharing that. Like I said, I know
it's very personal to you and you've never shared it
with anybody, so thank you for sharing it with us

(01:00:57):
here at large and the group on the podcast by
the way too. Regarding the trip to Scandinavia and all
the rest of that, we talked about that at length
and two different shows. So please go check it out
on the podcast feed with Dave Lovegrove. You'll find it.
Just search Viking Superpowers on our podcast feed and you'll
find us discussing this with him as trip and all
the rest of this. But I mean, the way that

(01:01:18):
comes together is absolutely incredible. Anything on that Joe and
then James and then thanks again a gentleman for being
patient with each other.

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
It totally happens a lot more than people realize because
they it's only an experience.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
You know that they see there.

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
But on the other end of the table, when I
see all these families, that's a repetitive experience. It's a
true experience I've set up before.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
I think I believe that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:46):
Whatever it is we believe in, I think that the
game gives us little bit of control towards the end
of when we're going to go. A lot of times
loved ones hang on until you leave the room. A
lot of times people make it to visit and when
they leave the room they pass away. A lot of

(01:02:08):
times they hold on for the holidays and they passed
away for me two quick ones. I had the cell
phone incidents, but after my dad had passed away. I
had this like Kyo Sarah wasn't a flip phone, but
it was might as wall have been a flip phone.
It was a little kiss here kiyosarah phone, blue phone,
and it was ringing with random numbers and letters. I

(01:02:32):
know when my son was in the hospital, I had
video of it. I think it actually, I think one
of the phones I turned in. I don't think I
have video of it anymore. But the phone in the
hospital room was ringing. Nobody uses those phones anymore for
phone calls, cell phones, So this phone is randomly ringing
in the hospital room, and I pick it up, and
you heard like distant chatter and nobody was really responding

(01:02:55):
to it. Was ecstatic, Like James helped me with this,
whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
To call it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
It was like an EVP, I guess, but I could
hear it and I hung up and his grandfather.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
In fact, we've had two experiences where my son was
coming out.

Speaker 5 (01:03:12):
Of a procedure where family members had died, but his
granddad wasn't doing well in his granddad had died out
of My wife remembered the details, but it was probably
a day or two later. But that phone rang and
it was weird. Now here's the thing. I don't know
if it's a dave, like, I'm sorry you did you

(01:03:34):
realize that after the fact, because like with me and
my family, we're kind of akin to it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
We hear the knocking.

Speaker 5 (01:03:41):
Sometimes we'll get the knocking, so like I'm kind of
almost adjusted to it when I see it ahead of time.
In other words, it's not in my hindsight, like I
see those things happen and I'm like, yeah, somebody's gonna die,
like I already know, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Or I'll have a family in front of me.

Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
I had a guy that was in front of me
and I tell what family call me if they want
to get things done, And I'm like, are they imminent?
And I get told yes. I'm like, well, listen, I'm
not going to change the price tomorrow. You could stay
with your family member and when the time comes, you
could take care of it after the fact. But a
lot of times families want to feel like they want

(01:04:18):
to get it done, and they'll come in on the
funeral home if their loved one is imminent in hospice,
and I'll be taking the information down and they get
a phone call and I already.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Know what that phone call is? It's the new passway.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Yeah, well I didn't really. I really did believe the
sisters that mone was going to be fine and i'd
see it tomorrow. But when I saw that guy on
the Star Wars show and heard him say I'm sorry,
but your mother's dead, I knew straight away, yes, this
is a message. And then the phone rang and that

(01:04:55):
was like, whoa, that's that could have happened anytime during
the night, and you know, she could have just been
back there. But I have been a person involved in
the mysterious for a really long time, so I a
long time ago I set my mind to notice stuff
and write things down and become you know, try to

(01:05:18):
tune in and not have to go back. Oh that
was something back then. I sort of tend to get
it right at the time. I think, Okay, this is happening.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
Yep, I got a weird sync for all of this.
This is this is wild. So I've got this website
up behind me. It's one of the very first shows
we did on Troubled Minds was the number stations right,
And I was going to make a joke at the
end of the show that I had tuned into the
commet right, the comment everybody's talking about, and it was
sending a signal, right, And so I had this exact
station tuned in to kind of play it as a joke,

(01:05:51):
you know, in content or whatever, so for some laughs
at the end. But it turns out that the phone
call you're describing, Joe sounds exactly like the station that
I picked, and so this is completely organic. I had
this setup before and then hold on, I'm gonna play
this and let's see if this rings a bell. Tell
me if you guys can hear this. But holy crap,
you're describing it, and I'm like, I've got that queued

(01:06:11):
up on this number of stations. Okay, here we go,
here we go. Okay, I'm muting that because too much

(01:06:34):
static is bad. But I was listening to that earlier
and there's people talking in the back like you. You
could hear like a conversation happening through that static. That
was just a pause in the conversation. But anyway, so
when you were describing that, I'm like getting chills, like, well,
holy crap, Like I literally have almost exactly that cuede up,
and I promise you I will share the So the
frequency is nine nine three zero point three nine KILLO

(01:06:55):
Hurtz and the website will be linked in the description
so you can check it out. But I will try
and play them at the end again. But I mean, like,
holy crap, like we just created like the synchronistic circle.
And the funny thing is, I haven't even found this website.
I've been trying to find it forever. But I was
going through my old stuff before the show today and
I was like, oh, there, it is cool, and I
was kind of just messing around with it. But anyway,

(01:07:16):
you know, like I literally haven't been on this website
in years, no kidding years, But anyway, wild stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
It's a little creepy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Yeah, yeah, well, oh if I could just sign one
short thing the it's sort of it just really blows
my mind trying to think how the spirit of somebody
who's just passed could organized to have you know, a

(01:07:46):
Star Wars TV series come on just at the right time.
You know, Like the only way possible is if my
mom became part of the great consciousness of everything and
was able to do that. You know. That's that's something
that really grabbed me. I thought, it just doesn't make sense.

(01:08:09):
How could that possibly happen unless she was you know,
she's linked to the thing that makes all happened and
all the things and when yeah, yeah, we'll give Dia
a message that's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
Wild. I call that the substrate of reality, like kind
of tuning back into that where you were able to
sort of manipulate those spaces and Interstellar is a fantastic movie.
Kind of talking about that type of stuff. But yeah,
fire stuff. I appreciate you sharing the tail there, James.
Anything on that, James has been quiet for a minute.
Anything on what Davi is saying, maybe this the weird synchronicities,

(01:08:42):
the meaningful coincidence of Carl Young and the rest of
what you got James.

Speaker 6 (01:08:45):
Ahead, Well, I will just say manipulation of electronics, phones, TVs,
computers nowadays is something that is getting more and more
common in paranormal experiences and especially surrounding loved ones that

(01:09:10):
are about to pass or have passed. And I'm wondering
David near case there. You know, I don't know what
the as far as the TV, what what platform you
were using, or what you were on, But what I'm
wondering is if it was more of a case of
your your mother again still being part of that that

(01:09:34):
part of reality, that being able to sense things in reality.
But then I don't know, possibly choosing when she sent
that message to you, when she passed by, knowing that
this show would be on, and somehow getting you to
be watching that when you did, more so than affecting. Again,
if it's a TV station, especially you know what show

(01:09:58):
was being played. Not that that's impossible, that they can't
affect electronics directly, but I do wonder in some cases,
especially with radio. So I've heard there was songs in
the radio two where you know the songs are scheduled,
but people end up turning on the radio at just
the right time, and he sung from a loved one
and they get a sense of that love one being

(01:10:18):
there with them and knowing that they're there. All these
things are connected.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
The whole, the whole of life is one great painting.
To me, it's one great incredible creative act in the
in the true sense of the word, where an artist
is painting at all, and I am an artist, like
a trained painter, and big reality of artists and you know,

(01:10:46):
modernist style artists, and I've often been just gobsmacked by
how I just randomly fling some paint at a canvas,
and it's just the most perfect. It's is if I
magically control the physics and I realize it's just meant
to be, you know, It's like it's almost like I'm

(01:11:09):
seeing into the future before I even make the mark.
And I think that people like us who consider these
things deeply eventually realize that we're in a flow. And
part of the secret of life, I think, is to
learn to go with the flow. You know, let's sort

(01:11:29):
of let go and trust that it will work out,
that a great creative painter will make things happen, even
if you can't see how it's possible, it'll just happen.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
I love it. And not only that, it's a sort
of recognizing the moments, because you know, not all moments
going to be magical, but there's going to be some
magical moments, and so maybe more of it is than
we ever dared dream. However, as you're describing, as Jims
said too, as what we've been talking about regarding your experience,
there there are these meaningful coincidence that seem to accelerate

(01:12:08):
when somebody passes, almost as if they are, you know,
kind of pressing these these ideas out to us in
different places. Yeah, I mean, I mean, yeah, Well, I'll
make a mark on that, make a note, and we'll
get back and do a full show on that, because
I think it's probably worthy of discussion and many many
people have experienced similar things. I appreciate the call.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
Brother.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
We're going to get back to this. You've got a
final thought for us, and again, thank you for being
here and sharing again a brand new thing that you've
never shared with anybody ever. Thank you so much for that.
Rest and peace, Mom Frea. And I know again I
can't I'm not the arbiter of truth, but my intuition
tells me one hundred percent she had something to do
with that entire sequence to let you know in the
moment that that was the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Yep, yeah, absolutely, it was one of the coolest things.
That's what happened to me. And it also the message
was I you know, you'll see me again. It's like, hey, Dave,
I'm not gone, I'm not just I'm not just a
dead body. I continue I am. I am alive, you know,

(01:13:11):
and I've been lucky. Sometime I'll tell you some of
my stories when I was a nurse and some of
the people passing and the things I experienced. But for me,
with Mum and what happened, it was the most positive message.
It was like, Wow, Mum's been dead for like five
minutes and here she is making this happen. You know

(01:13:33):
what I mean. It was like proof of the afterlife.
A cynic or a de monker wouldn't believe me, but
it's the truth. You know. She made it up. Mean,
she wasn't gone, she was still there.

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
Do me favorite too. When when you get that video
cut up, please share it with me. I'll share it
with the fam here and we'll watch it along with
you when you get that edited up and properly placed.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Okay, oh good one mate, Yeah, that'd be fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
But the pleasures, the pleasure's mind, the pleasures are appreciate
you very much. I'm gonna drop you back down to
the thing. We're gonna keep on truck, and thank you
so much for again being just just you. You or
you were a peach. Glad to meet people that are
incredible all over the world, and certainly you qualify. Always
a pleasure, my man. Thanks for the call. You have
a great night. Thanks brother, appreciate you, you know, and
you love him. That's Dave Lovegrove of Viking Superpowers. Check

(01:14:22):
out his channel Troubled Minds dot org Forward Size Friends,
scroll down just a little bit. Search it yourself. Obviously,
Viking Superpowers will take it. He's got a book which
is fantastic. He's got a YouTube channel which is fantastic.
It's alphabetical.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Here.

Speaker 4 (01:14:33):
Let me get my big hit out of the way.
Go give him a following all the places Joe got
a minute and a half left, Joe or James, you
got anything to add to that. I think there's a
ton here when you consider, well the idea is a synchronicity.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
Well, I got a quick story.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
It would gotta be just coofy to end up the
to around out the half hour here, or we could
shave it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:57):
We could save. It's up to you if you can
would speak. I mean, I mean, I mean totally.

Speaker 5 (01:15:02):
I've said a secretousies before, like with black Bear on
the first show that we did last week, where I
kept seeing Native American and the guy's name was black Bear,
and I kept seeing bears and things in my purview
and it was basically this guy just telling me, Hey,
just cremate me and don't worry about the rest of
my family, when Native Americans typically don't cremate.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
So those were all signs that I was seeing, So
you totally get signs.

Speaker 5 (01:15:28):
What makes me wonder is is if we pre write
the script, like if the script is pre written, and
that gets into the Big Bang theory, and if the
future of the past and everything is cliding at once,
and maybe if our body's leaving the.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
Flesh suit and changing into energy, maybe we're living in.

Speaker 5 (01:15:51):
Two or three different time spaces, the past, the president,
of the future, of the ones, and that might be
the easiest way to explain maybe how we could affect
thanks in the present.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
Which I brought up Interstellar. Go watch that. It'll blow
your mind. You're the best. We'll be right back more
with Joe and James and your calls as well. Appreciate
that call from Day Viking Superpowers. More Troubled Minds on
the way. One more segment left and we'll see you
after the break. Be right back. Welcome back to Troubled Minds,

(01:16:37):
all the places, all the things. It's good to be here.
Hope you guys are having a great time tonight. We're
talking all manner of things. Synchronicities. We're talking passing on
the human soul. We're talking the afterlife, we're talking processing
that final human transaction with Joe and Florida, good friend
for a long time, a funeral director with James. Of course,

(01:16:59):
the paranormal like sort of trouble minds. You guys. You
guys know these guys. They've been literally friends and contributors
for as long as I can remembers, as far as
this show goes. Get a special shout out to Dave
Viking Superpowers as well. Thanks for the call and thanks
for the incredible experience you shared with us. I appreciate
that very much. There's a ton here when you when
you get to synchronicity, the things start to stack. It's

(01:17:20):
it's so bizarre. Like I said, I'll play a little
bit of that as we finish up tonight, to that
that weird radio signal and see if it tracks. I'll
record a little bit of it, Joe, the part that
I heard because it was static and it was voices,
and I was like, well, this is super weird. And
it's almost as if, you know, like if you were
picking up some sort of alien signal or some weird
from the ether or whatever, and I cued it up
before we started, and then and then you kind of

(01:17:42):
mentioned exactly. It's it's just so crazy how these synchronicity stack.
But welcome back, gentlemen, Thanks again for being cool and
chill and patient and sharing the airwaves. James has an
experienced tale story to get to. I'm not sure which
which it is. He's got a new thing he found, Joe,
anything to add to what we're talking about. If you
want to tell your tale first, or you guys want

(01:18:02):
to negotiate that, you tell me there's a there's a
ton of stuff here, and we got some time left,
so uh, well that's up.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
You know, James has a whole story there.

Speaker 5 (01:18:12):
I've I've got ghost stories written up, but we had
said them the last time we had the show last year.
Uh I kind of was thinking they could keep it
a little bit light, so I kind of have some
other goofy things that actually happened. But if we have time,
I could kind of blast through some spooky stuff that
happened too.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
But but James go ahead, yeah, well.

Speaker 6 (01:18:35):
About that of course, my uh, I get a frog
in my throat just as I'm trying to talk.

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
But voodoo, black magic, James.

Speaker 6 (01:18:45):
Dang it, Mike, I want to I once we're out
in the station, thank you. But you know I'll save
it for after. We'll talk after, and you know, I'll
tell you off. Sounds just kidding, sounds good. But so
I I For those of you that I don't know,
or even that you know, I do a podcast, my podcast,
al Seto Paranormal. One of the things I do is
I find reports of experiences people have online that they'd

(01:19:09):
make posts to forms and things, and then I share
those of my shows, and so I do this. I
did the research for this almost every day of the week.
I usually do this six days a week. I'm trying
to find things to share, and after the show. I
can't remember what day it was, it was after last
week's show that we all did together. Part one of this.

(01:19:31):
I found one where someone made a post and they
basically said they had two cats that passed away, and
they had their ashes and they were keeping them in
their home, and then their father passed away at some
point and they were asked by the people in the

(01:19:51):
funeral home if there is anything any special things that
they wanted to include with the father's remains to be
buried with those with the father's remains because it was
going to be a burial, and the family talked and
they decided to bury because of the grandfather. The father

(01:20:12):
that had passed was close with the cats and everything.
They decided to bury the ashes of the cats again
going back to the first part one of this with
the father. And I know you talked about this before
the last time, Joe, about special requests, and you know,
there's things that you're not supposed to do technically, but
they still happen sometimes, and and so this happened and

(01:20:35):
the father was buried and everything was fine. The person
that made this post said one night they were just
laying on their bed relaxing and they had their their
toddler with them, like a year and a half the
old toddler, and the toddler just pointed at the doorway
and said, look, Grandpa and then I forgot the names

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of the names of the cats were, but look like
Grandpa Sam or whatever the names are of the cats.
And the writer was like, wait, what you know, and
the toddler said that again, Grandpa Sam.

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
Max.

Speaker 6 (01:21:11):
The tddler was apparently seeing the father and the two cats,
the ghosts of the two cats in the doorway of
the bedrooms.

Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
As if that reunification happened metaphysically, let's say, and then
kind of kind of came back to say, what's up.
That's that's I love that. That's wild as usual James
slaying it, And isn't it weird to all the synchronicities
kind of come together when you tell you just get together,
like I promise you guys, one hundred percent. None of
this was planned tonight, zero of this. I had no

(01:21:44):
idea Dave would call. I didn't know what Joe was
going to say. I didn't know what James was going
to say. But it is wild that you can kind
of get together, talk to each other in an open
minded space and just kind of pick these synchronicities and go, damn,
how is this happening? It seems as if you know
there's there's always something happening in that substrate of reality.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:22:03):
I just want to add too, the static and the voices.
I have heard and read a council people who said
they got fit their calls and or even voice messages
where they heard static, but then they could have swore
they heard their loved one, and sometimes it's hard to
hear what they're saying. Other times it's a clear message

(01:22:23):
and it's a sort of like a just a hello,
or you know, I love you, those kind of things.
I've come across many of those kinds of posts over
the years, and so that's wild that that came up
in this conversation tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:22:34):
And then I had one queued up that sounds exactly
like that. I'll play a little bit again because, like
I said that, the part they creeped me out, it
wasn't the static. You guys just heard the static, but
there are voices back there. There's like this weird conversation
happening too. It's not like a radio show. It's almost
as if it's tuned into somebody's living room and they're
watching TV together or something, and then you hear like
them talk. It's so weird. And I'm not saying that's

(01:22:54):
what it is. I'm saying that's what it sounds like.
Wild stuff. Joe, what do you got? I mean, what
about synchronicities and how this kind of fits together. It
seems like we're turning the funeral Director show into the
Synchronicity show. Tonight.

Speaker 5 (01:23:09):
Well, you know, I got a story about that. It
took place at the funeral home that I've worked out
last in clai Water. But I wrote it up and
I could go into that little Maybe it wasn't so
much of a synchronicity. I don't know, coincidence whyever you
want to word it. But it's quite a few years back.
I want to say it was before the plan the
pay what everyone to call it, the demic.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
But I was coming home.

Speaker 5 (01:23:34):
I was coming home every evening after work and going
out back and had the hotel. But I was looking
out into the sky and the more you look up,
the more you do start to see things. So I
had been observing the night sky and everything, and I
had a couple of weird sightings things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
It didn't drive me nuts.

Speaker 5 (01:23:53):
But anyway, I was working at the funeral home and
like early in the afternoon, I look out the back
door and there's a dude sitting out in the back
parking lot next to his car. And I didn't think
anything of it. I mean, he had plenty of other
places to park. But sometimes our parking lot was like
a pass through from a grocery store, like to a

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trailer park.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
In a residential area. So three hours goes by and
me and one of the other.

Speaker 5 (01:24:23):
Workers were leaving work and female, you know, and we're
leaving and that dude is still there by his car
and he starts like blabbing Abbey and he's pointing up
to the sky and he's like, it's the holographic.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
He starts telling me. So I look at the woman
and I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:24:42):
Like, just get to your car. I'll talk to this dude.
It's no big deal. So, and I've said this story before,
I don't know who's heard it, but so it was
weird because I've been i'd been looking out in my backyard,
just was consciously making these observations and things every afternoon
and seeing things in the clouds, you know, your typical

(01:25:03):
orts stuff here and there. So this guy's telling me
about how the clouds are like three dimensional and they're
not really there and they're holograms and airplanes can go
through them like tunnels. And then he started going into
like the symbols of cars and Michael Lexis and Toyota, how.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
These symbols have other beatings.

Speaker 5 (01:25:23):
And as he's telling me that I see these this
couple and I just call this the modern day men
in black. I see a couple come walking through and
it's Florida and it's not cold, but they're dressed in
black pants. They had like white shirts on, not white,
maybe like white sweaters, but they had black vests, those

(01:25:44):
like you know, those sleeveless black vests that you wear
when it's cold, you know. And they had the same
sunglasses on. And I see them walking and they have
the whole parking lot, they have the whole damn parking
lot to walk by. And I'm talking to this dude,
and out of the corner of my eye, here come

(01:26:07):
this two people, no expressions. I look at them, and
then I just turn and I'm talking to the guy
and the hair in the back of my neck just
stands on end. And they just go walking by, no expression,
no nothing right.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
So kind of passes. It's kind of weird.

Speaker 5 (01:26:27):
And then I get a little panic, and I tell
the guy, I'm like, look, I gotta go, and I
jump in the truck.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
So I get in the truck and I have to.

Speaker 5 (01:26:36):
Cross a busy, busy street, very busy street for a
vehicle to pass. And I get across the main road
and I get onto the road to the other direction,
and I get caught in the light and my windows
roll down, and I'm like reaching for my cellphone, and
as I look up, here's that same couple that I
just passed me in the parking lot. Now, all of

(01:26:59):
a sudden, for whatever reason, they're across the street, going
back the opposite way from.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
Where they came, which made no sense at all, which
gave me the creeps.

Speaker 5 (01:27:09):
And I start driving and I call my I have
a half brother and we don't talk off and we
it's probably been eight.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
Months, nine months since we've spoken.

Speaker 5 (01:27:20):
And I call him and he does a show up
in New York with like mediums, like the New York
Medium and stuff like that. So he does these shows.
So it was really weird because I'm like, who the
hell can I call?

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
Because this is really really weird.

Speaker 4 (01:27:33):
So something tells me.

Speaker 5 (01:27:35):
Something tells me call my brother. And as I call
my brother, he picks up the phone. He's like, dude,
what's up.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
I don't hear from you. And I start telling him
and I'm like, what's going on.

Speaker 5 (01:27:43):
He's like he's like, as a matter of fact, I'm
opening up the studio because we're doing a show tonight,
probably much like what we do here, but it's on
public Access TV.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
He used to post it. But it was really just
a weird secret.

Speaker 5 (01:27:56):
Isity because I call him about what's going on, and
he's getting ready to take a show about the same thing,
and he tells me.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
He goes, Dude, that wasn't He goes, that wasn't happenstance.

Speaker 5 (01:28:06):
He goes, you were probably being watched because you've probably
seen some things. And that was a particular year that
I saw a lot of things that you know in
the sky that year, you know, during the Christmas time
of that year. I remember driving with my son in
the car and he was looking at his kindle and

(01:28:27):
we're on a road and it was like eight o'clock
at night. It wasn't late, but the time it changed
it was in December. And as I'm driving and it
was not late again, I look up and I see
a light and I'm hitting my kid and I'm like, hey,
look up, look up, and he looks up. And as
we're driving, we get underneath a Chevron Craft.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
Bye. I'm going to say it was Ruth eckerd Hall.

Speaker 5 (01:28:52):
If anybody wants to look up the location and there's
an apartment complex there, and I had the sense enough
to hit the brakes and turned into the parking lot
of the facility with the windows down, and we're underneath
this thing and then it takes off, and to me,
it looked like a black V shape but kind of

(01:29:14):
like a.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
Plane but not.

Speaker 5 (01:29:15):
But my kid was saying it could be a plane,
but he's like, I couldn't see a lot of detail.
But he will admit that we didn't hear anything. It
was silent, and when it took off, it was like
watching the old film. It was like watching like a
like if you drew it on, if you drew like
on a paper, like an old school cartoon that you
were flipping the books.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
That's what it looked like. So the next day I
go into the funeral hall.

Speaker 5 (01:29:39):
That I'm talking about it, and again the front office manager,
who we had a lot of coincidences, she's like, you know,
I don't believe in this stuff, but last night I
saw this thing in the sky like it was a
plane flying in reverse. So she tells me that, and
it was the same night in the same area of
what I had seen. And and then a woman that

(01:30:02):
the other woman that's older, way older than me, and
it was just an attendant there. She turns around and
she goes, you know, I don't believe it the stuff
he is. She goes, but I was up in Mom's house.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
Taking care of her one night, and I got up
in the middle of the night and I went out
and I looked, and I saw a disk. And what
made what made me believe her though.

Speaker 5 (01:30:19):
Which a lot of people don't know, is what made
me believe her, was that she said the disc was
on its side. And if we hear some UFO accounts,
then sometimes the UFO will go up on its side.
If it's a saucer shape, then it will go up
on its side before it takes off. And she described that,
and I'm like, she didn't know that, she didn't know

(01:30:40):
enough research to know that. And she told me that
once she saw it, it was like standing on its
side and then it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:46):
Took off, yeah, kind of skipping through water, which was
the original Flying Saucer Mountain near what was the guy's name,
you guys remember the guy's name was that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
The one that he was seeing. He was flying the
plane and he saw it like down below.

Speaker 4 (01:30:58):
No, like said, he saw like a bunch of them,
like a whole bunch of them and bunch.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:31:01):
The only way he could describe this was the original
the guy that coined the term flying saucer, because the
only way he could describe it was that it seemed
like they were skipping like a stone through water. They
weren't flying directly like you would expect a plane to
be flying, and so the term flying saucer was coined.
Is it Kenneth Arnold? I think as I wanted to
say the name, Yeah, okay, it is, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:31:22):
And just real quick on that. They weren't actually saucer shaped.
It's just that's the phrase that the motion of them
is what the newspapers ran with. They weren't actually saucer
shaped at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:31:35):
I think he said chevron shape, right, I think yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:31:37):
They looked more like yeah, yeah, they looked more like
little space fighters with like a wing like a batwing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
I would say it was like a badwing or like
a batman like a batwing thing.

Speaker 4 (01:31:46):
Yeah, okay, all right, we got Kelly on the line.
He's been waiting a minute. Let's get Kelly in here
and we'll wrap this up. You guys are the best.
Thanks again, for again peeling out time. Thanks for understanding
the formats and you know, the commercials and stuff and
being cool and chill with each other. You're all the best,
as you know. Kelly and Colorado. What's up, my man?
You're on trouble minds?

Speaker 7 (01:32:03):
How are you?

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
What's on your mind? Go right ahead. Somebody's having a
conversation Kelly, Kelly in Colorado? Are you there, Kelly? Kelly?
Maybe Scott is out of LA Hello, Hi, accident, Yeah exactly,
let's give it a sack. Okay, So anything on that, James.
And then if Kelly picks up and recognizes he's on

(01:32:25):
the thing, well I will go to Kelly. There's a lot.
There's so much here. Yeah. Good.

Speaker 6 (01:32:31):
There's two things I do wonder Joe, with that experience
with the guy and then the two people. I wonder
if it wasn't so much they were there because you
had seen things. I wonder if they were there because
of that guy something to do with that. I'm just
really curious about that. I mean, I don't know anything
for sure. But also it is really weird because there's

(01:32:53):
one time where I was in my vehicle with my
dad and my stepmom at night and they both said
they saw a rectangular light coming down through the clouds,
just shining down from the clouds.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:33:08):
I don't know if any vehicles that have a large
rectangular light that shines down from their bottom in that way.
And of course I didn't see it because it was
you know, late at night and we were moving and
you know, there was a way up there. But I
just thought always found that fascinating that, you know, here
I am the weird one out of the three ye overall,

(01:33:29):
and they're the ones that had the sighting.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
It could have been watching the guy because the guy
was the guy was totally off the wall. I mean,
who knows, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:33:37):
But the whole thing was that whole time of year
was a coincidence, and I felt like maybe I willed
it into existence because I had seen some weird things
in the sky and I just kept focusing on it.
And I think that we do could manipulate attention in
our intentions, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:33:57):
And that guy was there.

Speaker 5 (01:33:58):
I mean, what was the what was the problem of
some dude being out there just meeting me and talk
to me about like the holographic universe and all these
total totally random, random things, you know, so yeah, whatever
message that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
Was, I get to learn.

Speaker 4 (01:34:15):
I guess, you know, maybe there wasn't one. That's the
thing too, that the coherence factor of that substrated reality,
Like we're we're just struggling and doing our best to
trying to understand what the synchronicity even means a single synchronicity.
But I mean we've done this a lot together where
when we're doing a show, it's like I said, I'm
not kidding you guys, like you can ask wealth of them.

(01:34:37):
I'll ask both of them when I make this statement.
We don't plan this stuff at all. It's not like, oh,
we're going to set up this this sink to happen.
I had no idea Dave would call in tonight right
to shout out Dave Lovegrove of Viking Superpowers. No idea,
no idea. Joe would talk about calling and having this
sort of static with voices in the back, which I
had queued up before we even started. I mean, they

(01:34:58):
can all confirm. And how much prep do we do
James and Joe for tonight? How much prep do we do?
We're just plugged in zero zero?

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
Right? So did I tell the story? I mean, I'm
going to leave it on a lighter got a funny note.

Speaker 5 (01:35:15):
Did I tell the story about I know I did
it last year, if anybody remembers, But do you remember
if last week? Because I don't remember, I didn't scribble
off But if I told the story about the guy
that I played hockey with that left me that message?

Speaker 4 (01:35:27):
I've heard this before. It helped me, James if because
I'm a little bit polluted in my brain because the
three of us had a conversation for like an hour
of the discord the night before we did the show.
So I don't know if I've heard these stories the
night before or during the last week's show. You remember,
James at all? Somebody helped me here.

Speaker 6 (01:35:46):
I do not remember it, But that doesn't necessarily mean anything,
given how much goes in and goes out of this
this thing in my head that is supposed to think.

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
Let me tell this. This story is going to be
a little graph in a funny way.

Speaker 5 (01:36:01):
Hopefully it doesn't offend anybody. But I could tell this
one here and we'll see what we have because we're
running out of time. But okay, and then on a
kind of a goofy funny note, unless we have something else.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
We want to talk about.

Speaker 4 (01:36:12):
You're good, perfect. Let me just interject real quick, shout out, Kelly.
I don't know if you were. It feels like he
butt dialed us. So the reason I hung up on you, Kelly,
if you're listening, is because I didn't want your conversation
being broadcast everybody, because it sounded like you guys were
talking in the background. So that's why non personal privacy thing.
It felt like we were butt dialed. But go ahead, Joe, Sorry,
just what just wanted to clarify.

Speaker 5 (01:36:33):
All right, So you know, this next story was told
to me by a fellow director. Probably took place in
the late eighties, you know, while he was in the
funeral arts class in Miami.

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
But anyway, he was telling me the story of a
donated body.

Speaker 5 (01:36:45):
And a lot of times when you're doing involving in class,
the body's donated. They could be vagrants or donated from
one ers or another. It's unfortunate, you know, or John
does that you get so anyway, so we told the
story of the donated body, and you know, they believe
that this particular gentleman that they had pulled out was
a manager of some ladies of the night. Okay, So

(01:37:08):
any way, the gentleman at the table wash you know
he was he was African American. He was covered by
a sheet, and apparently the teacher in the class was
a bit of a joker. It was down in Miami
and anyway, so he was getting the body ready and
I guess the class was going to come in. But
unbeknownst to the class, I guess this guy was a joker.

(01:37:28):
You could probably get away with it back then. Nowadays
you'd be you'd be shitcan in a heartbeat. But he
had tied a string to a very stiff part of
this guy's body.

Speaker 3 (01:37:40):
Apparently.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:37:42):
Yeah, so apparently when the class was right, it's funny
because my my old boss, who we don't really get along,
and there's a lot of things to it, he said that,
you know, he's he was the white guy.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
In the class, and he was like a lot of
the girls always liked him and stuff like that. He
would always joke about that. But uh, itways good.

Speaker 5 (01:37:56):
I mean, everybody got along, which was always good to hear.
But anyway, when the class was ready for the embalming,
the teacher, you know, they removed a sheet and from
what I could only envision. It was done like a
magician taking the table clothed off a table, but this
guy cut the twine that had held a large member
in place. Anyway, as the member made the appearance of

(01:38:19):
the appearance of the ladies, and some of the guys
were totally aghast and startled. And my boss said that
he heard some money, I guess one of the other
students in the background saying mom is going to be
missing that tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
That was you can't do the front.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
Roll on that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:36):
But he told me that, and I was like, oh
my god. You know, so it was, you know, one
of the things. And for me, you know, my dad
had passed away. He was a butcher, and I actually
had to miss some embombing classes.

Speaker 8 (01:38:49):
And I remember.

Speaker 5 (01:38:53):
We had a body there on the table and it
was autopsied and the visceraa was in a bag, and
it was me and a friend of mine were finishing
up the embombing and we had to sew this guy
up and I got the bag full of viscera and
the tea, and my dad had just passed away like
two weeks ago earlier, and the teachers.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
Like, I'm like, what do I do with this?

Speaker 5 (01:39:13):
And He's like, well, we got to build up the neck,
so put the vistra up, you know, in the thorax
upper chest and the neck to build up the neck.
And as I have the bag and I hand it
to my partner, my lab partner, I made the comment,
I'm like, if my dad could see this shit right now,
because he was a buncher, you know, And we all
kind of chuckled, you know. Here I was and put

(01:39:33):
the bag in there, sew this guy up.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
And got that embombing done, you know, but it's weird.
You got to cut it off. I don't know what's
going to happen.

Speaker 5 (01:39:44):
Kind of burned out, you know, in the past ten years,
you kind of get burned out you keep doing it.
I went to work today. It was a simple day,
you know, and I got to thank myself that I'm blessed.
I'm blessed to work with the family place right now.
And the ghost stories aren't really that much. And that's
a good thing for me because I've you know, there's
a bunch of stuff we didn't cover, you know, we

(01:40:05):
cover it last year and things like that that I
can repeat and go over. But it's nice not to
be so haunted, I guess by the dead.

Speaker 3 (01:40:14):
I am more haunted by the living.

Speaker 5 (01:40:16):
And I think a lot of us are haunted by
the living, whether that's the media and everything else. And
let me tell you something, I've been thinking about it,
if there's reincarnation or if I got to go to honestly, honestly,
if I die, I think, And if I die and
they're like, hey, you want to go for another round,
I'd be like, no, you know what, just like, get
rid of my soul.

Speaker 3 (01:40:34):
Just get rid of it, get rid of it. I
don't want to come back for this. That's what I've
been thinking.

Speaker 5 (01:40:37):
Like, so, I think I have to think like an atheist.
I'm hoping that there's nothing after this. There probably is
something after this. I mean there's probably something that goes
on after this, because I see it, we've all lived it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
But I've started thinking to myself, I really don't want
to play this game again. I really don't.

Speaker 4 (01:40:53):
Yeah, the eternal cycle or whatever. Yeah, it's a funny
addendum to your story there. It's nice it even in
a passing, we can still make the ladies blush depending on.

Speaker 3 (01:41:07):
This is the deal.

Speaker 4 (01:41:09):
The show's over, except we're gonna do the midnight Stargate ritual.
We'll do kind of a quick five minute thing after
the things. They could bite it everybody, good night. Shout
out Kelly, thank you for understanding. In the chatt he
said he had an emergency with his pet. Thank you
for the call, and thank you to Joe and James
for being here again. Like I said, impromptu, we scheduled
this sort of on the fly. But you guys are incredible,

(01:41:29):
and I think there's an entire third or fourth or
fifth show. As Donald was saying, shout out don and
was like, yeah, we could do like five or six
or seven shows of this because that's how good this is.
I agree, you guys are incredible. Joe, if you've got
to dip, I understand. I'm going to play a song
and then we'll come back and then kind of do
the outros officially. But appreciate you very much, my man,

(01:41:49):
No problem.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
I'll probably be listening. I'll disconnect the headsets and the bike.
I'm assume that he's up talking, but I'll just connect
our people listening because I gotta take my meds before
I go to bed.

Speaker 4 (01:42:00):
Get it, get it right on. We'll talk to you soon.
And having a fantastic night and be well.

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
Cat folloween guys and whatever you believe, be safe.

Speaker 4 (01:42:09):
Thank you, Amen, you too. Here we go, be right back,
quick startge ritual. We'll be back to Secodbye to everybody.
Here we go.

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Open to the.

Speaker 4 (01:44:59):
Ckade, indeed, shout out to I'll go over there Carla
and Hanny. Happy birthday, Handy you guys as a handy. Yeah, yeah,
I was gonna say, Honey, Handy, Yes, happy birthday. I
see you in the chat. Thanks for hanging out. Yeah,
So shorter show tonight. We're gonna end it right now,
just Sarah goodbyes. I'm gonna play a little bit of
that again. Bizarrely synchronistic. Look, I have literally four link

(01:45:22):
stuff tonight on this thing. It's this, which is the
original show sort of blurb the website. I have the
original Troubled Minds newsletter that was written up for the
first time we did this for part one. And then
I have this number station thing that I haven't looked
at in years, no joke. I've been looking for this side.
I couldn't find it, and then I was kind of

(01:45:42):
going through old notes and I was like, oh crap,
there's a side sweet, and so I dialed in some
stuff and it turns out that Joe described a very
similar thing to exactly this, or very similar to this.
Joe still there, let me play this and see and
so he described a phone call with static where there
was voices in the background. Let me play a little
bit of this, see if I can get the voices,
because there were no voices the first time. But when

(01:46:03):
I heard it and then he's describing, I'm like, holy crap,
how do I have this exactly tuned in to what
he described as some weird phantom home call. Here we go,
see if you can hear the voices. Really, I hear

(01:46:30):
some whispers, but not really there's a full on, like
kind of phantom conversation going on earlier on this. Anyway,
I got this, so I'll give you the the actual,
the actual thing super weird that of course, you know,
all all the synchronicities on command don't don't don't make
their appearances. But again so that if you're if you're

(01:46:52):
doing that again, thank you. I see that that you
guys have this on on. I forgot this sight Like
I've been looking for this for literally months nine three
zero point thirty nine and it's the filter is at
thirteen point five three Killer Hurts and it is basically
number stations like a but a batch of this as
number stations kind of constantly playing. And my joke was
I was going to make the joke that, hey, guys,

(01:47:12):
I've been vibe coding this thing and I'm actually tuned
into the comment and it's sending this signal and I'm
I was going to play the sec. That was the joke,
but the joke wouldn't be good because there's no voices
like there were there were voices earlier when I was
doing this. So anyway, James, Joe any, James, Joe, James anything,
and then let's wrap this up. Appreciate you guys very
much for staying emily with us and spending your time

(01:47:33):
and energy, and everybody else out there, thank you again
for just being part of this year all again make
my world go round, and I hope I do my
part for you. I guess let's finish with Joe. If
he's got anything, he said he's gonna unplug, So if
you have anything, pop it back in. If not, we'll
go to James, and then we'll wrap this up. Wild stuff, right, always,
wild stuff afoot? Give it just a second here, Who
did I miss in the chat? What's up? I see

(01:47:54):
you guys, Good evening, good evening. Yeah, uh, you know
I mean tuned in, vibe coded the thing, tuned into
the comedy that you know voices. I mean, you know,
I'm listening to Auvi Lobe now or whatever. Anyway, James, James,
what you got and let's wrap this up.

Speaker 6 (01:48:12):
Yeah, just I'm really glad that I was able to
be part of this. I appreciate you and and Joe
both being open to sort of having just an extra
voice in this and talking about how some of these
things I've heard and read about before, how they track.
And so it's been a lot of fun talking with
you all and listening. And I do think, you know,

(01:48:36):
the thing is with all these kinds of experience is
there's just so many I think we probably could do,
you know, like you were joking and I was saying
three or four part three or four or.

Speaker 3 (01:48:45):
Five, but.

Speaker 6 (01:48:47):
I think after a while it would it would it
would all sound very similar. So and that's a lot
of work for everyone to do to pick up through
all the experiences, to try to remember them all. I
can speak to that personally, like there's things I forget
about until something reminds me of something I had happened
to me. But yeah, so thank you for that, and
I find it ironic almost like it's a ghost like that.

(01:49:10):
You know, you got the voices earlier before you started,
but now they won't because you know, that's the old,
old joke. But also I think it's true. You cannot
make the paranormal happen on command easily.

Speaker 4 (01:49:23):
Yeah, you know in most cases. And I've been watching
the Beetle Juice here in there isn't it isn't that.
I saw a moment in Beetle Juice where it was
something like that where they were like, you can't just
make us dance on command, right, like this type of thing, right,
And so it is an old trope. But also, by
the way, apparently you cannot. And and I'm watching Beetlejuice,
by the way, and I'm seeing a lot of James
inspiration in there.

Speaker 6 (01:49:46):
Correctly to finish it, because I think we could do.
We can have you know, conversations, I mean maybe maybe
a showing me not but just conversations about that. And
especially you know, once you finish that first one, you
need to see the second one because there's some things
I want to talk to you about at some point.

Speaker 4 (01:50:00):
Okay, absolutely, it's on the list. It's on the list.
You were the best. You guys know him, you love him.
James Selcido of course, not just a paranormal elect but
a Troubled Minds the glue of the show, a dear friend,
all those things, but also an amazing human being. Go
give him a following all the places Troubledminds dot org,
forward sne friends, scroll down a little bit, you'll it'll
say follow James, simple as that, and uh yeah, yeah,

(01:50:20):
that's what it's all about. A lot of friends that
are on there. What shout out? Algoes on there? What
have a apoc and the Chad who are Viking Superpowers?
Who else is on there? Jacob my Fisto on the thing?
What's up? Gaston's on there, Matt's El's on there, Darryl's
on there? So many people, sweets, what's up at the Robert?
You guys are the best. If you have something to
share and you should be on this list. Remember it's
an end list, not an out list. Just let me know.

(01:50:40):
Send me an email Mike at Troubledminds dot org or
Trouble Minds Radio at Gmail. I'll get out of the
way and uh yeah, just just like I said, I'm
honored to be surrounded and conceptually and ideologically and the
fractal of the mind space by so many incredible people.
Thank you for being part of it. Shoutouts even England,
I didn't say hi to you earlier. That's that. That's that.

(01:51:03):
It's a wrap. So it going in the future, okay.
So Sunday will be the seat. I'm calling it the
season finale because I'm having a life change. Like I said,
nobody's sick and my marriage is fine, my job is fine,
money's fine. It's nothing like that. So it's just something
you got to handle that does come up in life, okay.
And it's it's also an exciting space because there's some change.
So change is good because right they say, chaos is

(01:51:24):
a ladder. Sometimes I just can't really justify doing troubled
minds when I have to focus on something else to
make sure where we let the cat out of the bag,
where we land is a good space to land. Okay.
So there you go, and there's your hint on what's happening.
But so Sunday night will be the season finale. I
don't anticipate any shows for a couple of months, probably

(01:51:47):
until the after the first of the year. So if
you got something to say, bring it on Sunday night,
because that's going to be that for a minute. So yeah,
that's that's the deal, right, that's the way things work,
and we'll welcome to Troubled Minds. Hip shooting two thirds
of the time and then the other third of the
time we're just smashing synchronicities together, which is incredibly weird.
But yeah, let's play this one. That's the one, that's

(01:52:11):
the outro music. Thanks again for being part of this,
Thanks for caring about the ideas. Happy all, hallow z Eve, Halloween, solid,
whatever did you celebrate. If you go out tomorrow, please
be safe. There's crazies out there. If you've got children,
you know, I don't have to tell you, keep them safe,
keep them all. Have the roads and stuff, and just
be careful, just to keep it, keep your head on

(01:52:31):
the swivel for what comes next, because we'd ever know.
I'll tune into the comment and vibe code the thing
and then show you the No, I'm just kidding, and
my deal is, Look, I don't know, you know me.
The questions are many, the answers are few, and I
think if you look at the world that way, it
may not be the best for you, but if you

(01:52:53):
can do it in a mind space and a philosophical
construct but I think maybe, just maybe it is beneficial,
So welcome to it. Who'd I miss? Gaston Matsel? What's up?
Jacob Dave? Thanks for the call of liking Superpower, Steve
in England, the Robert Dawn, sweets Apoc, Darryl. You guys
are all the best. Who'd I miss? Sweets Puff? Why?

Speaker 7 (01:53:13):
Why?

Speaker 4 (01:53:13):
Good night guys, Hiker, I see you the chat raz
good evening, Puff. That's it, that's it. Why are you
still here? If you want to help trouble Minds, help
our friends Salcito, Paranormal dot Com, trouble mind Slot REPORTSI friends,
go help the amazing people that have made this show
go over the years. It's not just me. It is
not just me, like I can take all the credit

(01:53:35):
and all the rest of that, but it's not right
and it's not fair, and let's support each other. That's it.
Fractalizing the conversation is the entire point of this, and
so different spaces with other ideas is good. Let's continue
to talk to each other and not forget the human space.
That's what this has always been about. If you want

(01:53:55):
to help trouble minds, directly spread the word, let people
know what conversation is happening. Where we don't chase their narratives.
We think about things outside of what they want us
to believe. That's it, and it may be real, it
may not be real. You decide that for yourself. I'm
not the arborder of truth, like I said, barely for

(01:54:15):
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(01:54:37):
nobody here has heard of them, all of me. Maybe Fred,
maybe Kelly, maybe maybe Joe. I mean, I don't know,
I don't think so and so if you miss us
during the transition period, then you know what to do.
Listen to us on the podcast feed is a way
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(01:54:58):
monetize them when you listen. I do get a few,
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Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:15):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:55:16):
Yeah, So we'll see you on Sunday nights seven pm.
God willing. Don't forget Tomorrow's not yours until it is.
And that's that. And this one goes out to each
and every one of you. Thank you again for your
time and your energy. Your time is a currency you
cannot retrieve, and I'm honored by every second you spend
with us, and thank you for that. So to each
and every one of you out there for staying up
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you for listening from our troubled minds to yours. Have
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