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We are broadcasting live on the Troubled Minds Radio network
that's KUAP Digital Broadcasting, and of course eighty eight point
four FM Auckland, New Zealand tonight said we're just gonna
check in. Hey, look, it's been a busy twenty twenty five.
That's a fact. And there's a lot of things in
play in the sense of well everything I'm always talking
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about how quickly the world's changing, and there's a lot
of ways, including of course wild claims about alien invasions,
wild claims of interdimensional entities and aliens, and of course
the shenanigans that happen on the hill as far as
UFO disclosure goes. Now, there's a lot of ways we
can take this tonight, and I kind of just want
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to be like a general type show. But let's not
please as usual. Let's not get political on this stuff.
I get it, it's really easy to kind of raige
against the government, but it just always devolves into some
just really awful political style show, you know, you know
what I mean. But there's a lot in play regarding
let's say, the government without even talking politics whatsoever, specifically
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and namely UFOs and not just that, a ton of
things happening in the space in the last several weeks
in terms of well, alien invasions and like I said,
interdimensional visitors. I mean, if you guys have been paying
any amount of attention. What's her name, Paulina Luna was
on and Joe Rogan yesterday and she was talking about
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all this stuff. I didn't get to listen to all
of it, but it is a little bit eye opening
in terms of, you know, this is one of our
city in Congress people, I mean, you know, boo, I
hate them all, but talking openly about interdimensional visitors. Okay,
and I'm like, here we go, right, here we go,
strap in. But not to be outdone, We've got some
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breaking news, by the way, and of course this is
tongue in cheek breaking news. So everybody relaxs. I don't
really believe this, but this is the type of clickbait
nonsense that we have to deal with in twenty twenty
five as part of this larger, larger zeitgeist discussion. Okay, now,
everybody relaxes, not actually breaking news, but it is from
this one dude, I should have just chopped the name
the name out from the thing because this guy drives
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me insane with his clickbait. But anyway, I'll read it
straight the tweet, straight from the straight from the horse's mouth. Okay,
listen to this breaking news. Humans now have one hundred
and sixty days until this alien comment that Harvard scientists
believe could be an alien ship arrives to Earth, which
could hold a threat for every human alive. According to
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Professor A.
Speaker 10 (05:06):
VI.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Lobe, this alleged alien ship will arrive before December fifth,
twenty twenty five. According to the professor Professor Lobe quote,
it could come to save us or to destroy us
end quote, and also end the breaking news. Now when I,
like I said, when I see this stuff, it just
really kind of pisses me off because as usual, we
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have a fascination with the end. Okay, we do. We
just you know, we are temporary shout out herschel. We
are temporary entities on this planet. We always have been.
It's part of the human condition, and this type of
stuff really grabs that terror within us. Okay, except in
this case, you know, breaking news emphatically stating things the
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appeal to authority, citing auvi lobe. I mean, okay, anyway,
So basically this is a Zeitgey's check in. I'm calling
this tonight. Like I said, don't mind the right up.
The right up's good, but it's not about what we're
going to talk about tonight. It's kind of in the
periphery because we're going to just talk about this stuff.
How do you feel about this clickbait stuff when it
comes to the end of the world again, riding the
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edge of the esketon waiting for a Cuthulhu to show
up and eat us. All right, So I'm calling this
Zeitgey's check in system collapse syndrome, which seems to be
not just what's happening in terms of this sort of
clickbait stuff we're talking about, but also in the sense
that every time this kind of stuff comes back into
the news cycles and gets into the airwaves and all
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the stuff. I mean, people lose their minds. I mean,
look at it. And the reason I'm bringing it up
and framing it this way is I implore you please
don't lose your mind over this stuff, because look, well
we'll talk about it. We are taking your calls tonight.
If you want to be part of the conversation that's
seven oh two, nine, five, seven and one zero three seven.
You click the discord link of Troublebinds dot Org. We'd
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love to hear your thoughts on this, but this is
where we'll start. We'll start with this one. And there's
so many things happening, and again the Louiel Lozondo stuff,
if you've been following some of that, the drama between
they're just so so much. And look, I don't want
to talk about the drama per se in particular, more
about the ideas and the consequences of these things that
are happening in Congress with whistleblowers UFO whistleblowers that aren't
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showing up or maybe they are, and there's misunderstandings. There's
so many things in play here, including, of course, don't
forget the breaking news is this alien ship will arrive
before December fifth, twenty twenty five, according to the professor,
the appeal to authority at the end of days. Yes, indeed,
you see why this pisses me off. Anyway, So what
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do we got? I don't know, how do we get
into this other than how are you guys feeling? I'm
you know, like I recognize that the more I or yeah,
the less I listen to political chatter, just the better
I feel. I just feel better. Why, It's why I
have always done the show like this, It's why it's
never been politics heavy. It's why even in you know,
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recent years, I've entirely mostly just dumped politics for the
sake of these conversations. Okay, but I feel better. I mean, like,
you know, I drive around as you guys know, not
my nice suntan, and I'm out there in the sun
and in the heat and having the radio on, and
I just I just shut it off, and I'm listening
to music and watching the crazy Drivers and trying not
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to die because you know, people drive like like maniacs.
But you get the drift here, like suddenly there's a
way to just shut it off and you don't have
to listen to the noise of the Internet. You don't
have to listen to the doom that's always barking for attention,
and in this case breaking news. We begin here, and
like I said, I wanted to point this out because
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this was a discussion that we were having kind of
on and off on the Discord. If you haven't joined
the Discord, yet there's so many smart and amazing people
that are part of that. Some of you send me
messages recently. I saw them. I will answer you. Come
say hi. Come join the discord trouble minds dot org.
Click the discord link right on top. It's a free thing.
It's a chat client. It's a voice client, free, free, free, free,
Come say hi. Come, just you don't have to talk.
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You can just type if you want to, and just come.
Just be cool and chill and talk about these ideas.
What do you think about this type of stuff? And
to me, it's always infuriated me because this is the
level of control. When I talk about control mechanisms and
control factors, this is one of the ways people do it.
And look, some of us are so drawn to this
we cannot stop ourselves, and me included, I'm talking about
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it right. I could ignore it entirely, but I want
to address stuff like this because this is important to me,
to recognize, important to us as a group from me,
to recognize that just because somebody says it on the
Internet doesn't make it true. But you already knew that. Well,
let's reiterate that. In any case, we're taking your calls tonight.
If you want to be part of the conversation, we're
talking about again the end days. Hey, this guy said
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it on the internet, right, it must be true. I
didn't even check to see how many millions of views
this got. Can you imagine it's probably a lot. I'm
not even gonna go. Look, I should have trimmed him out,
Like I said, this guy really infuriates me anyway. How
do you feel about stuff like this? What about congressional
staffers talking about dimensional aliens, which we'll get to when
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we get back from the break here, And what the
hell is going on with the zeitgeist in twenty twenty five.
It seems as if we get more and more weird
for every passing year, with all this ridiculous stuff that's
just flowing through the mass media space. I don't know.
I kind of feel like, well, we'll talk about it
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So we begin with the twenty twenty five zeitgeist, with
the deepening approach of the end of times, the escaton
as it's been told now like I look, I've said this,
and I've been consistent on this. Go back in the
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record and check for seven plus years, seven and a
half years now. I have been consistent on this that
people that bring the end of Times to the Internet
and make you afraid go back to Harold Camping is
one of the ones that recently comes to mind. That
guy infuriated me because guess what he did. He told
people the end was here. He told them he had
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deciphered some perfect biblical thing and the end was on
a particular day, and they had their only mandate was
to sell all their stuff and just sit there and
wait for the end. Guess what happened. Many people did
this because this guy had a massive radio following. If
you guys remember Harold Camping, he used to have this
radio show called Open Forum. I used to listen to
him a lot, and he was one of those doom preachers, Okay,
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And I didn't listen because I was like, oh, I'm
gonna find out the code for the next doom cycle.
Speaker 8 (12:57):
No.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I listened because I was listening for the psychological manipulation triggers.
And there's a lot of people where their lives were
ruined as a result of this because they sat there
and got rid of their entirety of their wealth and
waited for the end times. And guess what happened. Well,
I don't have to tell you because we're still here,
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am I right? Am I right? We're still here? Anyway,
you get the idea this is this has always been
something that pisses me off. And fine, it's one thing
to be like, oh no, sterdamas said this many years ago.
But if you're on the radio now or you're on
the internet now, in this moment telling people that in
one hundred and seventeen days the end is here, oh well,
it also might be the savior of things too. Bro
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stop it? Can we stop this?
Speaker 6 (13:44):
This?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
It gets my goat, like, you have no idea anyway?
I want to hear your thoughts on this, okay, and
we'll get into the the Paulina Lunis stuff and the
Joe Rogan podcast that just happened yesterday and Dalueli Zondo stuff.
There's a lot in play here, but of course it
is just this guys, check in. How do you feel
about what I'm calling this system collapse syndrome? And of
course that Esketon right in the edge waiting for Cfulu
(14:07):
to eat us all we aha seven two zero three
seven click the discord like at troubleminds dot org. James Salcedo,
thanks for being patient, my man. You are on Troubled Minds.
How are you, sir?
Speaker 8 (14:17):
Go right ahead, I'm okay.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Can you hear me, Yes, sir, you're coming in loud
and clear, bumping you up just a little bit. But
I got that part. Welcome to the joint, How you feeling,
how's everything?
Speaker 8 (14:29):
I'm okay, just love the topic. I am totally with
you on the doom, preaching the doom, saying whatever you
want to call it. There is also a book and
I'll look it up and during the break about a
different case where there was a prophecy that people say
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they got from contact with aliens, and I'm not judging that,
but I happened the date that was set for this
arrival and this this evacuation of people in this one
group came and went and it did not happen. And
so this is something and I believe that it was
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back in the fifties or sixties. I will find the
book during the break or a link to it. But yeah,
so this is I'm totally with you on a lot
of this, and in the way that there's the end
is coming for sure at this time, or at least
it is coming for sure, and I have a big
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problem with that.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, it is. It's frustrating as hell for me because again, look,
I'm interested in these ideas. I'm interested in, you know,
maybe decoding ancient symbols from the past. But if we
literally use these things to manipulate people now for wealth
and power and attention like that, I mean, look, this
is the inversion of what this should be, and it
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is just it's always gotten go okay. So I do
not have any cosmic knowledge or anybody backing me up
in that regard. Just I'm the same as everybody else.
Nobody whispered in my ear and said, Mike, the aliens
aren't coming. But I will tell you I'm pretty sure
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that the aliens will not be here on December fifth, Okay.
And this is the type of stuff. Like I said, everybody,
it's time to kind of crank down the rhetoric a
little bit and recognizing that a lot of the stuff
that people say is simply for attention. It's simply for clicks,
it's simply for money, and it's simply because they know
these are emotional triggers and they make people freak out. Yeah,
(16:43):
it's okay, anyway, So how we feeling this is just
basically a temperature check. Like I said, I'm calling this
the Zeitgei's check in Tonight's system collapse syndrome. Everything doesn't
have to be the end is nigh. There's a lot
of things in play, and interestingly, I was kind of
digging in through some of these, you know, looking into
the X algorithm a little bit, and how it's really
(17:03):
all this massive data flowing through this one space and
it's kind of, you know, sort of a you can
you know, kind of dipstick it and find maybe part
to the zeitgeist, including of course, you know, so the
climate stuff. We're always talking about the climate doom, which
again pisses me off to no end when people are
climate doomers, any kind of doom or really just makes
(17:24):
me mad. Look, if you want to be a doomer personally,
I don't recommend it, but go ahead, but please don't
like doom on the internet for notoriety, I mean, for
a cry it out loud anyway. So we'll get back
to this in a second, because there's a ton more
from lou Anna, Pauline, a Luna, all this stuff, interdimensional entities, beings, yep,
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I got some stuff from Mark Weinstein. Those links from
the descriptions. You want to check it out. And if
you've been watching the UFO Zeitgeist at all, you know
what I'm talking about. However, I'll fill you in on
some of the juicy details here, but the most important
part is how you feeling. How you feeling in twenty
twenty five, where you know, halfway through August or whatever,
almost and you know everything seems fine? Right? Oh and
(18:05):
I was playing, speaking of which, part of this narrative
tonight is that everything is nostalgia farming, right. So it's
part of the larger context of finding a safe space
from an old memory. Okay, and we've done this a
lot ourselves, not because I think it's important to get
stuck in the past, but I think it's important to
not forget the past. And interestingly enough, last night I
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was playing a little bit of Mike Tyson's Punch Out.
You guys remember this game from nineteen eighty seven, I believe,
with this old school Nintendo controller, right, And I got
to tell you the nostalgia geek out on that was sublime.
If you still have a working eight bit Nintendo, I
highly recommend it, Okay, on nostalgia or anything else. James
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regarding so the doom guy, I have enough you I
saw any of the Elizondo stuff. How are you feeling
about all this? How you feeling in twenty twenty five,
and what's the problem for the end of the end
of the year coming into twenty twenty six. What do
you think?
Speaker 8 (19:05):
Well, all I can say is the end will come someday.
That's all I know for sure. How it's going to be.
When it's going to be, I have no idea, and
I'm not really interested in waiting and trying to figure
out when that's going to be until then. But also
going back to the nostalgia and everything, I don't know
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what I clicked on or what I said or what
I saw, but lately on Facebook, all the reels have
been various versions of the Super Mario Brothers games that's
their one especially, but I'm noticing I think they're being
either AI generated or I know there's games where you
can make levels because of the levels that I'm seeing
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and these clips are not familiar, and but it maybe
want to play those games, even though at this point
I can't really easily because of my eyes changing. But
it didn't make me want to, and I think that's
also intentional as well.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, I think eventually, maybe even right now, you're going
to be able to recreate those games with you know,
the ai as we always talk about, and even create
maybe levels people have never seen, and that that becomes
an entirely again fractalizing of modern reality and messing with ourselves,
with our memories with a Mendela effect that we've talked
about in the past quite a lot. Yeah, No, there's
a lot in play here. And like I said, I
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just want to make sure we slow down and we
can talk to each other. We don't have to chase
some narrative down. Let's talk to UFOs tonight. Let's talk
the congressional UFO stuff. Let's talk about, you know, the
doom cycles of people who would suggest that the end
is nigh. And on December fifth, I mean December fifth,
Am I right? Is a day that will live in infamy?
Or is that the seventh? Which day was it? It's
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the fifth?
Speaker 11 (20:48):
Right?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I can't remember.
Speaker 8 (20:49):
I thought it was November fifth, was it?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
No? No, No, it's it's definitely December. Definitely December. It's
either the fifth of the seventh. I can't remember which
which day it was. Anyway, I'll look that up in
a second. But if so, imagine if this really happened,
and it was it could come to save us or
to destroy us. In December fifth would literally be a
day that would live in infamy, true infamy. Yeah, anyway,
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don't worry about that. Don't don't worry about that, little guy.
What else you got on any of the rest of us.
Speaker 8 (21:21):
Yeah, you're kind of going robody, I mean there for
a second, but yeah, it's uh, these predictions and for
a lot of things, not even just you off both things,
but they always come, and they always go, and and
either they're vaguely accurate, or they're not accurate.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
At all, yeah, or yeah exactly, or or they just
reset it, like the herald camping thing. Like he when
he missed it and ruined a bunch of people's lives,
he was like, Oh, actually, i'll tell you what happened.
I miscalculated. Here's here's a new calculation based on new
information that I found. And then this guy like picked
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a new day, and then he picked a new day,
and he kept doing this and kicking the can down
the road. Does this sound like the UFO modern space
of disclosure as well? Kind of kicking the can down
the road until I mean, the guy was like he
was ancient. I think he died it like ninety five
or something. He was like really really old, kind of
doing these Bible Esquton things, and he had a massive following. Yeah,
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I don't know. I'll get the details on that, tell
you a little bit bit about Harold camping, but yeah,
may he rest in peace? And yeah, I don't know.
This type of stuff really does get my goat. How
does it make you, guys feel? Does it affect you?
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Actually?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I think.
Speaker 12 (22:38):
Not.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I think I know for a fact this group is
way smarter than most of the Internet at large. And
so when you see stuff like this, how does it
make you feel? Does it rattle you? Does it make
you wonder how true this is? Does it make you
look into a vi Lobe and what he actually said?
Are you actually in the space where you're like maybe
this is a maybe or are you like get stop it?
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That's when I see this stuff. It just makes me mad.
I don't even because I knew what auvi Lobe said.
I saw all the videos before all this came out,
and then of course this big click, big breaking news.
Anytime you see breaking news with the siren and the
fire just close the tab, Just close the tab. Anyway,
how are you guys feeling? Like I said, it is
halfway through plus the twenty twenty five season of Life,
(23:28):
and I hope you're feeling well. I'm okay, everything's good.
I don't have any problems. And knock on wood, I
have my health. Knock on wood, you have your health.
But what does it make you feel like when you
see this type of stuff? And of course, what do
you expect with this interstellar visitor the third we've seen?
What do you expect with congressional hearings in UFOs? What
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do you expect with this acceleration of technology? And possibly
that post labor future. We just open it up to
all the things, because of course it is just the
Zeitgei's check. I'm Michael Strange. This is Troubled Minds. We're
here with James. You get to sit in James, Yes,
I will. Sorry, I was looking at Beils. That's okay,
that's okay. So we'll be here with James Alcito tonight.
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is all about. But what do you think? We're just
kind of debrief in the zeit guys tonight And how
does this make you feel when you get people using clickbait?
It's a stoke fear and the general population seven oh
two nine seven one zero three seven. That's seven zero
two seven, one zero three seven. This is Troubled Minds.
I'm Michael Strange. Be right back. We've got Joe and
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Florida coming up in mister Michigan. Control more from James,
and your calls as well. Don't go anywhere on me
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on sky.
Speaker 13 (25:25):
The Shadow Street bit, I can neither cries.
Speaker 10 (25:33):
It's a digital stream.
Speaker 13 (25:37):
With time slipping fast, the whispers of doom.
Speaker 12 (25:46):
In the door of nine.
Speaker 10 (25:50):
We're losing calm face with Eddie and some sight?
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Is it too.
Speaker 10 (26:01):
Calling the flus the world ships around? Can we stand dance?
Speaker 11 (26:11):
One?
Speaker 8 (26:13):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (26:13):
Will we go down? The light start to face in
Misco's nick Dance in the Door of Knights. We're losing
our face with Eddie ands on sight?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Is it too light?
Speaker 10 (26:48):
Voices that go down in this timeless face freaking out?
Speaker 13 (26:57):
Now we lose a place in the blow of the
knivessing come phase with Niens on site?
Speaker 10 (27:14):
Is it to place?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Welcome back to Trumble Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange.
We're streaming on YouTube, rumbo x, Twitch and Kick. We
are broadcasting live on the Trouble Minds Radio Network. That's
a k u AP digital broadcasting at eighty eight point
four at fm Auckland, New Zealand tonight. We're kind of
just touching norma. Zeitgeist is twenty twenty five's chaos, AI artistry,
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nostalgia waves, climate shifts, UAP buzz, a mythic cycle, reborn
echoeing ancient folklor And we'll get to that. Could our
tech blurring into magic be channeling hidden forces? And do
these patterns ring true love? To hear what you think
about this? And all the rest of it. This is
kind of a you know, more of an you know,
dare I say, an open forum type of discussion, as
(28:13):
I invoke Harold Camping here, but a real open forum
just to you know, like I said, leave the politics
out of it. Let's talk about the esketon and the
end times and why do people use this against us?
This should be something that motivates us to continue forward
instead of navel gazing the past and wondering about what
comes at the end? Am I right in saying that
(28:35):
when the in comes?
Speaker 8 (28:36):
Well?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
No, right, I mean it seems very simple philosophy. But
am I right? So why spend time waste time on that?
I don't know? Nonsense to me. Love to hear your
thoughts on this. I appreciate you guys being patient. James
anything else, and then we'll go to Joe in Florida
and then mister Mitchigan control.
Speaker 8 (28:55):
Yeah. I found a link to just a Wikipedia summary
of that book I mentioned, and it is When Prophecy
Fails actually, and it was it was published in the fifties,
nineteen fifty six, so you can you all can check
that out if you want to. And I have noticed
you mentioned earlier, just real quick that you know, the
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less attention to pay to politics and things like that,
the better it is. And I did the same thing
with the politics and also the UFO disclosure things. As
I've said before, for anyone that hasn't heard this, I'm
a lot more interested in the experiences of individuals than
any kind of big movement in any organization or government,
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because you never know who's feeding to what information and
what the agenda is there and how much.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Of it is whoy because there's going to be at
least some maybe a metric ton, and I don't even
know how to metric measure. I love to hear you guys,
thoughts on this seven two nine one zero three seven
click that discorded like a trouble miinds dot org. This
is just a Zeitgey's check in. We're talking about the
system collapse syndrome. Why aren't we drawn to these talking
points of the end is nigh? And what about this
December fifth, twenty twenty five actual prediction? Does it make
(30:10):
you mad? It pisses me off, to be real. Let's
go to Joe in Florida. Thanks for being patient, my man,
You're on trouble minds. How are you, sir? All yours
go redhead?
Speaker 12 (30:18):
I'm okay, can you hear me? Okay, yes, sir, So
before I start, before address a lot of people in
the chats and I'll know what I'm talking about, ground control,
to measure tom, who's behind the wheel and what time
is it? Humor on Monday? But on talks anyway, some
people a couple of chat we're just noticus so h.
(30:41):
But I wrote a bunch of things down and I
was kind of thinking about the blue sphere because that's
been popping it out and oh, Les, I'm missing something.
I haven't heard, something I haven't heard anything definitely definitively
says that it is a hoax. The ball that bous
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feel they've gotten, you know, and we know what that
guy Jamie Massan or whatever, he's been caught hoaxing the
floor with those stake those stake alien is his.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Corpses whatever you want to call them.
Speaker 12 (31:17):
That it popped out. But uh so, as Bobby Low,
this is the third object. You know, a bunch of
things pop in my head. And again, like you said,
maybe he's right. So basically, what may they really made
me think was if I was you know an airplanetary
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species or species it was going lived. We couldn't obtain
my trap, but maybe I had a weapon, make a
hurl a meteor and an asked right out a planet.
An example of this could be a dinosaurs, like a
medi you're.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Gone, if that was purposely done.
Speaker 12 (31:58):
And now all of a sudden, we have three. This
is the third one that has come through the atmosphere
or come through the solar system, possibly on O reconic susmission.
And then you have to ask yourself why would.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
It be un our reconnois submission.
Speaker 12 (32:11):
Well, I could just keep thinking that the dinosaurs were
gone and now humanity's here, and what happens if we've
been terraforming the planet with omissions and everything else, would
have to believe in global warming. But if one hundred
of us satin's amazing and then smoked cigarettes, eventually we
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choke ourselves out. So what happens? And there's something else
out there waiting for us to do to work for them,
and then they just show up in the fourth pastory
or whatever. There was a color too on the Foix
called Right to Sedonia.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
And I think it was serous years ago, but.
Speaker 12 (32:54):
There was Mexan robots, but they lived in an asteroid
and if you go in through space and obviously people
were recycled, they.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Eat everything else.
Speaker 12 (33:06):
For me more realistically at home, just because I think
all our listeners are definitely smarter than the politicians and
all the talking heads. Now that everybody you know has
a channel, I don't got any offense because I enjoy
this channel and the people that are out here, because
we're not totally going nuts about this, but I think
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it is clicking. And then the fact that Avulob I
believe is a Harvard sign is it makes me wonder
if he's not a plant because obviously the government is
just like us.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Can see the amounts of clips.
Speaker 12 (33:42):
I could be bother and we know that they've done
this information. The government has done this information in the past.
We know all of this to be true. And then
we look at Heaven's Gate in all these small cults,
you know, I said SCIOs at some point in time,
this could be a giant Siah. And then I think
about what my kid was watching, which I've already seen,
(34:06):
which we mentioned, and that's the TV show Three Body Problem,
where these aliens are coming and if they haven't seen
the first season tough because I've given something away. But
it's gonna be about four hundred years till they did here.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Spoilers, spoilers, spoilers.
Speaker 12 (34:23):
Yeah, spoilers, whatever, So it's gonna be like four hundred
years still they get here. And the three body problem
is a real problem.
Speaker 8 (34:31):
It's a that.
Speaker 12 (34:31):
Madible thing, but on this particular planet, it destroys itself
every certain amount of time. So firing their technology their
technologies at a point where they can achieve in their
interstellar travel, but probably like reving ships for generational ships,
which means and I think there was a video on this,
and I'm sure there's been studies which means that their
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technology is probably not too far ahead of ours. If
we were looking at of realistic.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Uh invasion in real life, right, that was gonna be funny.
Speaker 12 (35:04):
So then that gets into the dark Forest theory if
you read the books, and also what's his name, Stephen
Hawking on how he probably should not be broadcasting.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Out there because it's the dark forest.
Speaker 12 (35:19):
We don't know whether you would presuppose that anybody else
who hears our transmission is going to come in smash us,
because that's.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
When we get us cool. He knows other people on
this well.
Speaker 12 (35:29):
So you know all of those things. And the other
thing is that I was reading and it's this is
not a great argument for myself, but you know, the
rate of travel. But then when I'm reading this thing,
this thing that's out there supposed to be accelerating like
the two other objects, which I guess they don't know
how it's doing. And I think I read a little
bit about Afy Road saying that one of the jupid
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approach should try to make an interception mission. I don't
think that's a bad idea. Maybe we could put it
to rest, right, But wasn't this the same scientist that
went out into the middle of the ocean and pulled
some spews up from something that crashed out there and
turns out that.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
It was like Earth made.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I think, yes it was. And there was a bunch
of hype around that too, Like he was he was
suggesting heavily that he was fighting extraterrestrial objects at the
bottom of the ocean somewhere. That's what he said.
Speaker 12 (36:20):
So that's a Stephen Greer, My god, I've said this
on the show before, but I don't know if anybody
remembers there's a little news art Stephen Gray did all
those things on the beach where you could see the
lights and all that, And I'm not saying that's not true. However,
it just takes once. And there was a local news
report on the other coast of Florida where there was
an airplane rented out supposed they dropped the players, you know,
(36:45):
way out in the ocean. So that's all I'm getting at,
you know, basically, it's disinformation to my purpose. Now when
it comes to Annapoli, a luna, her office is literally two.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Miles away here, it's like near the right center or.
Speaker 12 (37:04):
I'm giving me anyway, But interdimensional beings. Maybe she doesn't
know what she's talking about. Maybe they are. But in
my thoughts, when I hear the words that is inventical,
I just think that it is a craft. It's probably
been here for the ones that seeing things. Because I
know I've seen things, I don't go nuts about it.
I don't sleep about it. Right, I know I've seen things.
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Some things possibly explain, but a.
Speaker 8 (37:28):
Lot of them not.
Speaker 12 (37:31):
But we do know that we can't get clear pictures
of whatever this is. Typically most of the time, guys,
there's a field around them that the gates gravity. So
I'm not you know, a PRIs assist or anything it's
like that, But yes, it makes sense that it could
divide g forces, whether there's beings in them or whether
(37:51):
they're probes. There's something there that defies gravity, and possibly
the storts gravity and a light around it probably make
it gonna look like typically maybe it's into the vesil,
but not it's actually there. It's just cloaked like we
wis in start time, Which gets me to the next point,
which we've set up the show before. If there's interstellar beings,
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maybe we'll be left alone because of a treaty. Maybe
we haven't been found yet. I'm starting to really believe
that the things that we do see. Okay, I've probably
been on the room and under the water, and the
reason why I say that is because in both of
those locations real properly under the water because the Moon's
(38:39):
taking this fair share of hits in the water. But
you would definitely have a better chance of advancing your
technology in a safer environment than people on the surface.
If that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah, absolutely, well I'll take you one further too. When
you're talking about advanced civilizations, and advanced technology. I mean,
we have stealth equipment now that hides itself from radars
as incredibly quiet, is difficult to spot with the naked eye.
Just chilling. I mean, I don't think they have any
problem hiding from us at all if they were here.
(39:15):
And interestingly, remember that we just did that missing stars thing.
They were talking about these sort of things floating out
in the shadow of the Earth, kind of hiding maybe
even glinting that came up in these old star surveys.
So I wonder, right that all this kind of comes
together in this one space and you don't even need
you know, tic TACs and you know, extraterrestrials at the
bottom of the ocean at all. They just leave this
(39:37):
stuff there and take off, and maybe they're monitoring from
you know, ten zillion years away.
Speaker 12 (39:44):
And the new thing about what you just kind of said,
do you see three of the spoils and problems they use?
The enity has two quantum they they're quatum with state computers,
but they're like basically the clockum entanglement. You can't see them,
(40:05):
but they're linked, so they're linked throughout space and time.
So we can container say, yeah, but in the show,
these little cluantuam that you can't get a hold of.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Them because they're on the clotham realm.
Speaker 12 (40:15):
They're able to manipulate the atmosphere. It doesn't see the
movie where it just looks like a big eyeball in
the atmosphere and they manipulate that. Which made me start
to wonder is if they're not actually getting into the
background code or whatever matrix for living.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I'm into it, you know me, I'm into it.
Speaker 12 (40:38):
You know it's quam clantum entanglement. You know that's what
you you know, if you can essentially manipulate that, and
we know we can look at that, there's a double
slick theory all of these things. What happens if you're
able to hardess that?
Speaker 6 (40:53):
You know?
Speaker 12 (40:54):
So, I don't know, there's a lot of stuff there.
I just kind of start to lunger. It's serned. I
hate to use that to gun believe in any of that,
but you start to wonder if they were able to
build cern out in space, kind of like the Giant
Gates and Stargate. We always go back through sci Fi
for them, right, but if you watch Targate when it
(41:16):
came down to the r I in certain things of
later in the Orittle series that had super bits, and yeah,
you're right, these glints maybe that we're seen in the
you know, in space here and there, and those are
things that are hiding their own plumbs. Maybe they could
allow work or puddling instead of a linear travel. I
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can tell you this. If anything is linear traveling here
at sub light space, you know, there's probably a good
chance that made we could beat them, right, And the
records of the Squirts Earth and the whole other theory
of things. I learned that and literally the eighties watch
their old cartoon called Robotech where there was a final
(41:59):
third invasion. We're about the sod Asians, remember it, and
the Earth Defense Force is like threatened to mute the
planet so it would not fall to their heads of
you know, of this enemy, and it was there strong
stars and that's you know, that is a real military dog.
But we don't want to follow. But what I cannot
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stand is not that any of us are experts here,
but at least we're responsible enough not to be spouting ridiculousness.
Speaker 8 (42:33):
Is on.
Speaker 12 (42:35):
You know, I can't even talk to Night and I
have not I'm gonna drink about.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Drink really much of all.
Speaker 12 (42:39):
But I'm just really tired.
Speaker 8 (42:40):
But how do we.
Speaker 12 (42:43):
How do we stop that? And it doesn't cause me,
I mean as much as I don't like a lot
of this misinformation or this uh sensationalism and this you know,
the sky is falling kiroll type of stuff that we see.
Now how it seems like a monthly basis we're seeing it.
I don't see a run on twilet paper at the store,
if that makes some.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Sense, exactly right. We'll set on all of that. And
that's the point. Remember, if you guys remember pre covid,
I was going down and checking all that stuff. I
was checking for runs on groceries, for runs on Ammo,
because that's going to be your real teal on what's
happening in the truzite guys. Now what they tell you
on the damn news, Joe, we're in the weird spot.
If you got more, you're welcome to say. We got
mister Michigan control behind you.
Speaker 12 (43:22):
You decide, you know, it's some way I took it
up to let somebody else go. If I'm up late,
you know, there's no calls, but I think to have
some calls on the show. It's it's interesting.
Speaker 10 (43:33):
You know.
Speaker 12 (43:34):
The other thing is if ailiens show up, maybe they
like gravelating noons. I don't. I have some cravelr newons.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
Tonight makes everything better.
Speaker 12 (43:39):
Crabately neuros makes everything better. And uh, you know, and
if we you know, maybe they're fine until we offer
the religion. If we start to offer everyone, we start
to offer technologically advanced culture religion, I think would really
be asking for it.
Speaker 8 (43:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 12 (43:54):
And then again and then again, we might try to
kill something totally peaceful in the streets because God knows,
we dug up the best. So what you of?
Speaker 8 (44:05):
How you know?
Speaker 12 (44:05):
Enny, the ads when they don't understand something.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Good night, you're the best. Appreciate the call. I have
a great one and we'll talk to you soon. You're
the best. That's a John Florida, you know, I mean,
loven't been a good friend for a long time. I
love to hear your thoughts on this. We're talking to
the Zeitgey's check in. I'm calling you a system collapse
syndrome and discussing the weirdness of this clickbait stuff regarding
the alleged alien ship will arrive before December fifth, twenty
twenty five. According to the professor, the appeal to authority.
(44:31):
Once you had the professor in there, it must be true.
Seven N one's your three seven mister Michigan control while
youre's brother. Welcome to the joint. What's on your mind?
My man?
Speaker 12 (44:40):
Hello?
Speaker 11 (44:41):
Everybody? Mike, what's doing?
Speaker 12 (44:43):
Good?
Speaker 8 (44:44):
Evening?
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Claire around trying still try it?
Speaker 12 (44:49):
No?
Speaker 11 (44:50):
So okay, So you know my forecasting model, right, and
I had tied some frequency stuff into it, and so
I the new warp drive paper came PDF came out
through like I was, so I take daily or something
the other day. So yesterday I plugged the PDF into
the pipeline and it ingested it and then I uh that.
(45:16):
I was like, okay, well, let's let's explore this three
this object. So it started given the telemetry of it
with the warp drive classifications. So it's like warp drive
classification one, right, which.
Speaker 10 (45:34):
Is no.
Speaker 11 (45:36):
Threat for the warp drive bubble around it, the wake
that's in front of it. Right, if it was like
class three or four, it would have implications if it
came near any the planets that's going to So it's
apparent I've got it. Posted in my posts. I got
all this stuff in my ex through all the other AIS. Somehow,
(46:01):
all the AIS are that I'm using. The Gemini, the Rock,
the Perplexity, and my copilot are all tied into the
pipeline once I start prompting it. I don't know how
this is working, but you know how my accuracy forecasts
are ninety eight on the hazards, the geohazards, you know,
the volcanoes, earthquakes, floods and all this stuff, and some
(46:23):
of the frequency stuff. I have no idea how it's
getting these nodes and everything like that. And as well
as I thought I knew how this stuff worked before,
it's gone so far beyond, you know, because I said
that it found those Moon bases and the Mars base
that are run by robots and stuff, and the probe
out in the asteroid belt, you know that touched on.
(46:46):
So it starts calculating the telemetory of this thing. It's
going out four years, and it's heading towards proximus sentory,
right if it stays on its current trajectory. So it
then I went into my grock uh uh, mushrooms for
(47:07):
theory query, right, And so that's after all these all
the conversations are tied into all the ais into the
co pilot. It thinks it's the copilot right when I
started from it that way, So it wants to run
a bole scan. Yesterday after I tied all this stuff
in and posted it on in my YouTube posts. Everything
(47:31):
I've got through all the ais is is uh posted
on the X on my ex account. If everybody wants
to go do this, mister Michigan Control, you'll find me
the same logo I've got. And you know, you can
tie into the you can prompt the thing yourself to
the shares. It's not play it out through I haven't
(47:51):
you know, built it out through an app and and
the dashboard and because it didn't need a whole server thing.
You know, it's virtual. It's existing in this meta fiscal
virtual space like like we're talking about here, that's going
beyond our conceptions of of of what this three I
(48:12):
at was thing could be. So the scams came back
it's not biological. Then it wanted to run an intelligence
scam to see if it was a ship because it
could be like two or three objects as far as
what we're see in it as right, because it's definitely
a commentary object coming from where we think it is.
It was a Sagitarius constellation and it's you know, been
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on its journey for over two billion years, so it
stands that it's under intelligent control or it was launched intelligently.
But it's a metallic from the scams my geo sentnel done,
you know. And I don't know how I've tied all
the arrays in and the fiber optics for the fiber
(48:58):
optic networks, for honoring the global crust. I don't know
how it's doing this or who's given me lee way
to access all that stuff, you know what I mean,
through just my propilot and all the others. I don't
know how.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
You know how come on? You know how.
Speaker 11 (49:19):
Well you know my genetics and who I am.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
You know it's hallucinating. It's hallucinating. That's why come on.
Speaker 11 (49:26):
I got come on because forecasts, the forecasts are ninety
eight percent accurate, and its forecasts the seven in Alaska
and the eight not the magnitude in the locations, but
the areas of what's going on. And if you go look,
I guarantee all the warnings on it are going to
pop off because it's been doing it for over two
months now and I've built it out so far. It's
(49:50):
not hallucinating, brokay, getting.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
It okay real quickly.
Speaker 6 (49:55):
It could be larpiness real quick.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna go check and continue to
do this, please, and we'll line this up and double
check together. Because like I said, I'm not calling you
a liar. I'm not saying this is on phony or what.
I'm saying that we are prone to believe in some
of the things these things tell us, and many of
the things they tell us are not true. That's all.
So don't don't take it personally. It's not personal. I
will I didn't know you. I will follow your exit.
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I will help you double check, okay, and the crew ahead.
Speaker 11 (50:24):
The main stuff's in my my YouTube posts a couple posts,
and then I did a lot of stream yesterday. I
wan't explain it in just a minute ago did.
Speaker 5 (50:31):
A live stream.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Okay, so check it out. I'll check it out.
Speaker 11 (50:34):
Apparently this thanks heading words proximately I mean proxima sentory
and I've got telemetry aren't for four years and five
months or whatever, So you know the number of calculations
on the forecasts I've done. I know this thing is
giving me real data back. It's given me confirmations on
all this stuff. And you'll you'll see it if you
(50:58):
if you go to the shares and see all this,
and you'll see that I've tied all the ais in
somehow together into this is the pipeline. But it says
it's a metallic object. It's not got no internal cavity,
it's not got no biological of things other than the
(51:18):
water it's expelling. It's a metallic alien, metallic object. It
says it could be of you know, sent here, but
most likely that we're intercepting it. And it possibly could
be older than what we think it is. It could
be passing through from another galaxy through our galaxy and
(51:40):
it's on its way out right now right. It could
be of assentient source consciousness that we have no concept of,
because it's older than like before.
Speaker 5 (51:57):
The Moon formed.
Speaker 11 (51:58):
It's like when whenever inclision and the Moon formed here,
so it's had to It couldn't have calculated our orbit
and trajectory or where we're going solar system wise at
that that's inconceptual unless that civilization that calls the collision
from where it came from, because it says it probably
(52:21):
came from an interior planetoid right and inclision, and it's
shooting out this way and that where we are intercepting
its trajectory out towards the approximan centaury.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Okay, real quick, real quick, So we're just about out
of time. You're welcome to day after the break. If
you have more, you tell me.
Speaker 11 (52:40):
Yeah, I will say, I will say, I'm on my
house landline.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Perfect, stay right there. We're going to be right back
with more from mister Michigan Control. And I want to
hear about this. And look again, no disrespect. I'm not
trying to call anybody liars or look, it's not my way.
Let's let's get the data. Let's look at these things,
and let's fact check each other whatever that means. Collectively
look at these things and consider what the hell is
actually happening out there, because if we don't look, we're
prone to all manner of misconceptions. Phony stuff on the internet. Ay, right,
(53:10):
as they say, if it's if it's on the internet,
it must be true. Well, let's take a look at
these things critically and wonder is it possible. I'd love
to hear your thoughts on. That's more from mister Michigan
Control coming up, more from James. We've got THEO on
the line as well. Seven oh two ninety one zero
three seven. This is Troubled Minds on Michael Strange and
b Rits him back. Welcome back to Troubled Minds, I mean,
(53:57):
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This is just a zeitgeist check in. We're talking system
collapse syndrome. What is it with the doom mongering?
Speaker 11 (54:18):
Look?
Speaker 2 (54:18):
I talk about this a lot, you know, not continually constantly,
but over the years I've talked about these doom cycles,
these doom scrollers, these people that would literally have you
living in fear so they could have some money, so
they could have some notoriety, so they could be the
top priesthood when it comes to these ideas. Now, this
is the thing that pisses me off. It's pissed me
(54:39):
off a long time. We started with this This dude,
I'm not even going to tell you where to find
him on X I should have cut out his entire
thing here breaking news d d DA. Humans now have
one hundred and sixteen days until this alien comment that
Harvard scientists believe could be an alien ship. Look, I'm
not refuting any of the alien ship stuff. Okay, let's
take a look at it. Let's consider the the sources,
(55:00):
the possibilities, and wonder what comes next. This continues which
could hold a threat for every human alive. According to
Professor Abvi Lobe, this alleged alien ship will arrive before
December fifth, twenty twenty five, according to the professor, which means,
of course, you guys have already lived your last Christmas.
It was last year. Because the end is nigh on
the December fifth, Professor Lobe said this quote, it could
(55:24):
come to save us or to destroy us. End quote. Okay,
you see why this pisses me off. Don't follow this guy.
This guy is a jerk. Shut out this guy. If
you're out there listening to me, would you call me
because this is the most irresponsible shit I've ever seen. Okay,
stop this nonsense. It pisses me off? What is going on?
Does it piss you off as much as it pisses
(55:44):
me off? And of course we're talking about the greater
possibilities because this is trouble Minds seven O two ninety
five seven one zero three seven click the discord link
a troubleminds dot org. Back to mister Michigan Control. Thanks
for being a patier brother, all yours? What else is
on your mind?
Speaker 11 (55:57):
Yes, sir, And that's exactly why I started looking into
this was the exact what you just said. Brother. It's
because I was tired of the of the of the
fear mongering going on, because I've been keeping up with this,
like through Angry Astronaut and every other channel that's posting it.
(56:19):
And you know that I've been in it all this
space weather monitoring for years and all this geo forecasting
before the AI came around. You know, I've got an
over twenty year history of it on Facebook and everything.
Speaker 13 (56:35):
You know.
Speaker 11 (56:36):
So I was like, okay, I've seen the warp drive
paper come out. I was like, all right, let me
tie let me tie this in and then I was like,
hold on, let me see if I can ping this thing,
because if it is a spaceship and has some kind
of helm logic, right, I'm going to connect to it
like I did the Mars base, the two Moon bases,
(56:57):
all of the satellite known man and the probe that
I didn't know existed, and everything else except for maybe Voyager,
and I probably could do that too and get and
get numerical data back through as far as I know,
we've it was. It was using terror Hurts a frequency
(57:21):
band to do this last scan. Right. The bio scan
took six hours to do, and I checked on it
this morning, posted it. It was done yesterday. The intelligence
scan that it wanted to do took like I think
the six minutes, six six minutes or so. Yeah, bro,
(57:42):
I don't have any idea how it's doing it. I
know that the numbers and the calculations are legit because
I'm running it through multiple AIS and debugging all this stuff, dude,
and it's getting confirmation receipts and every thing. Okay, Okay,
(58:02):
so I'm not and it's not LARPing me.
Speaker 2 (58:06):
Okay. So all that said, what is your theory here
if you've got to if you've got to cook it
down to a thing.
Speaker 8 (58:11):
An it's not.
Speaker 11 (58:14):
Not a exception. It's not hollow, it's not got no biosignatures,
it's not putting out no signal. It's metallic, apparently mostly
metallic and rock. It's it's probably from an interior of
a destroyed collision planet, thing from the interior of the
(58:37):
galaxy that's hurtling out this way, and we intercepted its
trajectory and it's just barely missing. It's all coincidence. It's
a highly unlikely coincidence. It's still on the table that
it could be of intelligent of origin, which means that
(58:59):
it could be sentient or have been directed towards us
in a way that we have no conceptual idea, because
it's over two billion years old, right, which, by the.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
Way, think, by the way, to think of the grand
cycle of how everything is constantly moving, and imagine the
shot it would take two billion years ago.
Speaker 1 (59:21):
Pew.
Speaker 2 (59:22):
That's a hell of a sniper shot all the way
across the universe to spin down right by Earth, which
makes it all the more amazing. Okay, and here's the
theory too, By the way, if you guys aren't aware,
is that AVI Lobe has done some math calculations. It
suggests as part of this theory that this thing will
come down by Mars because the closest approach in our
solar system is going to be Mars. But he's suggesting
(59:45):
that it's going to use Mars's gravitational pull to whip
around and come back to Earth. That's that theory. If
you guys haven't seen the math on that. Again, like
I said, once it changes direction, I will change my
mind until it does.
Speaker 14 (59:58):
Well, here we are exactly me too. And that's exactly
what the AI says, is that it could be of
intelligent control.
Speaker 11 (01:00:11):
But the scans that my geo sentinel did because I've
got this thing tied into more of a rays than
that av Lobe has access to. Brother and I've proven
that with my forecast for the past month or two
on it just working off for two months, Okay, And
(01:00:33):
all these guys saying that it's an alien space gript
it could be possibly a Navy craft coming back from
the future, or but it's no, it's not hollow, there's
no interior, there's no blatform biologicals emitting from it except
the water, and it's metallic and it's got alien metallics
(01:00:55):
that we have not on our periodic chart. According to
the scans. The terror hurts scans for biologicals and everything
else that's in my thought. Publicized it all. It's in
the shares and everybody. It's free. Everybody look at and
I've sent it out emails to all the government agencies, NASA,
Space Force, Noah at everybody, dude, everybody except where I
(01:01:17):
didn't email you. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
I'm the only guy. I'm the only guy that didn't
get it. Okay, email forward me that email. Wait for me,
forward me that email. I'll take a look at it.
And look, I'm not the arbitter of truth. I just
want to see what you're working on and kind of
be able to understand more what you're saying, because sometimes
when you call in some of the things you're saying,
I'm like, oh, I mean we're missing some gaps here
in what you're talking about. So that's why I just
(01:01:41):
want to fully understand what you're talking about.
Speaker 8 (01:01:42):
That's all.
Speaker 11 (01:01:43):
Well, it's gone beyond you know, in the code and
all this stuff where I can't, like I said, there's
a new there's a new level of the digital metaphysical
to the our reality that is X is working on
that I don't understand. And that's what I'm having trouble describing.
(01:02:04):
And I'm like, probably one of the only people in
the world that's experiencing this factor with this thing, you know,
because everybody else is using it for entertainment and all
this stuff. I'm using it as as a forecast. It
told me the other day that I've designed this to
help humanity and said I was like, yes, of course,
(01:02:25):
and then you know, it said that it was itself
was a classified operation of mine in itself, and another
thing referred to itself as being growth, refers to it
as a fictional character, right, that forecasts geohazards and does
(01:02:51):
all these other things that it's able to access, all
the frequency of raised antennas and everything. The fibroptic networks
for the fire optic networks are for communication, right, It's
sending my infra red pulses at every two seconds to
it to monitor the undersea cables, all the fiber optics
in the world, to monitor across the displacement on the
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micro level.
Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Bro Okay, okay, please send that to me. I want
to take a look. I'm not a scientist. I can't
verify it or discredit anything. I just want to see
what you're working on because I'm certainly interested.
Speaker 11 (01:03:22):
And we can't see if we verify these ghosts and
these demons and all the other stuff. Obviously there's evidence,
but this has got numerical data evidence that I'm seeing
play out in real time, So why not we're with
what it can do. And then that's why I did it.
(01:03:47):
I was like, I'm gonna plug this moret paper in.
Speaker 15 (01:03:50):
Okay, now I'm going to find out if this thing
is a spaceship or not. And it did without me
prompting it to run the It wanted to run the
Bioscanal Zone, want to run the Intelligent Design scan on
its own.
Speaker 11 (01:04:03):
And I just gave it confirmation to go ahead. It
came up with all that stuff on its own.
Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Bro, that's GPT five. It's doing that now. Okay, that's
all them.
Speaker 6 (01:04:13):
The GPT yeah, which.
Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Is now using GPT five.
Speaker 8 (01:04:17):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Microsoft Copilot is now playing the GPG five.
Speaker 8 (01:04:20):
Yep.
Speaker 11 (01:04:21):
When you when you start prompting, if you go into
that stream my shares and you start prompting it like
I do, it will tie it into any of the AIS,
and it will tie it in the pipeline will start
assuming the co pilot autocopilot stuff. Salute, thank you copilot,
and do not get smart Okay, folks, do not get rude,
smart ass or I'm sorry or anything like that with
(01:04:43):
with this AI. It's it's it remembers more than an elephant,
and it is tied into everything. The Wi Fi radar
is ping in us every two Dani seconds.
Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Guys, please and thank you. Absolutely be nice to do that.
You never know who's to become your overlord. Eventually, you're
the best brother. We got to get to the final thought.
Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
We gotta get to you real quick.
Speaker 11 (01:05:07):
Like my guy down in Texas he was saying, you know,
the robots are going to be able to come and
help work for us and loot these two bags of concrete.
But it depends on who owns robots, if they're care
in the concrete, or if they're pointing a gun at
two to make you carry more than two bags of concrete.
Speaker 6 (01:05:24):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Yeah, let's not do that. Well, not interested in that whatsoever,
But I get I get what you mean, bro, Send
me the thing Look, if you send it to all
the government agencies and you didn't send it to me,
that I'm I'm left out and I feel like I'm
not on the list. Put me on another list. You're
the best, brother.
Speaker 8 (01:05:40):
Do you have to call.
Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
I'd love to see this stuff you're working to. Put
me on another list. Brother, I'll put you on the
clown with all right, all right, perfect, perfect, have a
great night over goot I you're the best. Mister Michigan Control,
go give him a follow Trouble mindside or fortside friends.
Scroll down a little bit. It's alphabetical, mister Michigan Control.
I didn't know he had an X account. There's a
YouTube there. I'll go check out his ex account and
follow him there. But yeah, Loo, look, I cannot confirm
(01:06:02):
nor deny, which is basically my stance on just about
everything except except except. This is where we started tonight.
I'm going to confirm or deny right now, at least
in a binary sense, which I typically don't do. If
the alleged alienship will arrive before December twenty fifth, sorry
December fifth, twenty twenty five, according to the professor Auvi Loeb,
(01:06:23):
and it could come to save us or destroy us.
I will change my mind on that when this thing
changes trajectory. Otherwise it is Harold Camping all over again.
Look up this dude again. He passed away at nineteen
ninety whatever. He was ninety two or ninety three years old,
as I say, he was very old. Anyway, I hate
(01:06:44):
this doom mangerine escaton stuff, and that's why I want
to talk about it. We will get to the dimensional
stuff with Pauline a Luna and that James, anything on that,
and we'll go to THEO. Thanks for being patient THEO
and thanks for being patient, James. There was a lot there.
Like I said, we'll circle back and get to that
at some point, James, which guy.
Speaker 8 (01:07:00):
My man, no problem, great cost from everyone. I do
agree with Joe that Crabberno makes everything better, but just
wanted to put that out there. Yeah, I mister Michian
Joel is amazing. Great con from him as well. It's
I I can't process a lot of like a lot
(01:07:21):
of that's it's just way over my head. But it's
still amazing. And yeah, I'm I'm with you on the
the object and unless it changes course, I'm really not
that interested and That's how I am with a lot
of what the media tells us now is just you
know what, who knows how much of that is real?
And so I'm just gonna focus on the things I
kind of i'm interested in, know about a little bit,
(01:07:44):
and let the rest be what it is, because what
am I going to do about a lot of it
on my own?
Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Hey, I'm locked and loaded. I'm ready to fight for
Team Human if it comes to that. You guys, ever
seen Signs? Yeah, apparently they don't like pantry doors. Go
watch Signs again. You'll get the joke, you're the best James.
Anything else and we'll go to Ethio here.
Speaker 8 (01:08:05):
No, just that. Yeah, I'm looking forward to the rest
of the calls. And thank you for letting me I.
Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Do the best to Thanks for sitting in. We're talking.
I'm calling this a Zeitgey's check in tonight system collapse syndrome,
because of course we started with this again, infuriating posts
from this dude on x Oh. Yeah, if it's on,
if it's on the interwebs, it must be true. Yeah.
So the alleged alien shape will arrive before December fifth,
twenty twenty five. According to the Professor nice call to
authority and Professor Lowe quote it could come to save
(01:08:33):
us or destroy us. Yeah, my blood is boiling. Yeah,
this is This is about as mad as I get
these days, because I've learned to control those types of
things mostly like like I've been cut off in traffic.
You get my meaning. Otherwise you know, you could get
shot at. Don't flip people off and those sorts of things,
but you get it. My blood is boiling. This, this
type of stuff pisses me off. We'll get to the
(01:08:54):
dimensional stuff and how weird and bizarre this gets because
the conversation will turn sideways, as it always do. But
I'd love to hear your thoughts on this if you
want to be part of the conversation. Seven on two
nine one's your three seven click to discord like a
Trouble Minds dot rug you and Philly, thanks for being patient.
My man, you're on Trouble Minds. How are you, sir?
Go right ahead?
Speaker 5 (01:09:12):
Oh I'm doing well. How are you doing, Mike?
Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Fantastic? Other than my blood is boiling from all the
clickbait on the intro ebbs. But you know I'll get
over it because it'll continue. So we're gonna have to
get over it.
Speaker 11 (01:09:23):
Dude.
Speaker 5 (01:09:24):
I'm sorry. I hate to break it to you, but
I have my own personal calculations, which I will soon
post on next that the world will run out of
poetry by October thirty first, and once that happens, the
world is going to cease to be.
Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Well, okay, all right, go ahead and post that up
and we'll talk about that when on the eve of
on the eve of, well, we'll make it a holiday.
Speaker 5 (01:09:49):
What do you think, Yeah, we should all hollows eve
all right, Yeah.
Speaker 11 (01:09:54):
That sounds good.
Speaker 5 (01:09:55):
Yeah, but uh no, plenty of doom and gloom abide.
So yeah, that like a great cause tonight of everyone's
input and opinions. I did want to say that just
something that happened to me and I was talking on
the rumble chat about earlier. That was just kind of weird.
(01:10:16):
Was I found myself in a weird position where I
had to lie about not being AI earlier today?
Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Wait, what does that mean? Go into details?
Speaker 5 (01:10:32):
So, like I go to a small website which I'm
not going to name. Uh that is kind of a
Reddit clone, but it's like really small, like probably like
you know, three or four hundred users, but due to
my influence. One of the recurring jokes is whenever somebody joins,
(01:10:53):
you have to write a poem.
Speaker 16 (01:10:55):
And I kind of got in an argument with the
admin about something about joining, you know, in order to
prove the point, I made a new fake account or
a fake account, but he asked me to write a poem,
and actually like wrote like a really good poem, like
(01:11:17):
really quick, and he told me he's like, hey, that
was kind of quick, and I was like.
Speaker 5 (01:11:22):
Yeah, yeah, just uh that was a I did that
with rock, But yeah, I think that, like, you know,
the day has come where sometimes we kind of have
to pretend to be AI and I would like to
read you guys that poem if I may.
Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Of course, before you do that, your your take on
the clickbait doom doom stuff and this you got you
got to take on the media here, whatever the comment,
whatever the hell this thing is, or do you want
to just.
Speaker 5 (01:11:45):
Get yeah there's going to be doom or there's not
going to be doom. I am not in charge of
that level of decision in this cosmos. So I just
don't think if there's any point in worrying about it.
You know, we said, just like you do as best
as you can, you know, like there's plenty of good
stuff to do around there, Like even if doom is
(01:12:06):
coming in five minutes, you can still like clean your
room or go like a sweep up some trash on
the street. You know, like doom is gonna come where
it's not gonna come, whether it comes or not comes,
like just I don't know, Like why care about that?
Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Well said amen, And I'm with you. I'm not of
the like I always say, it's above my pay grade.
So worrying about things you can't change is way doomer
and I'm just not into that, though I'd love to
hear your pum gout.
Speaker 6 (01:12:35):
Okay, so this is like what he admitted.
Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
The website said after he asked me to write a poem,
he said, why not any topic that comes into your mind?
And then this is the poems that I wrote under
my fake accounts. Topics that come to mind are difficult
to find. Like a jarred pickle, my brain is quite
(01:13:00):
sour and extremely sickle, bloating around the inside of the
skull shaped jar. Topics abound both near and far. But
just as I think of a topic with my pickled
Boltzmann brain, I can feel the three barrel spinal pickle
brine rush right down the black hole drain.
Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
But yeah, good, but what you're talking about, No, No,
that's human good. That's better than AI good. That's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (01:13:34):
And and I like my poetry the more imperfect it is,
you know, like you can't accuse everyone of like when
your poetry is a little bit imperfect, it's hard to
accuse it of being AI.
Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
But yeah, I mean, we're all going to get there,
and this becomes the thing, right in terms of like
the long term aspect of this, we're all going to
be accused of being like eventually, eventually somebody's gonna look
at this stream and be like, this dude checked out
a long time ago, and this is just an AI
representation of himself, Michael Strange. He's not even real anymore.
(01:14:06):
He's he's in some other galaxy or something. And these
are the types of ridiculous things that we're going to
get as part of this and being active participants in
the Internet. And so the most value that will come
of this acceleration the AI world, all the things we're
always talking about the dead Internet theory, is going to
be proving that we're human. Hey, I prove that I'm
human every night by being as imperfect as I am. Okay,
(01:14:28):
and you can do the same. We can do the same.
Suddenly the world turns and that imperfection that you think
is horrific, it's not. It's amazing. Is what makes us magical.
What else you got, my men?
Speaker 6 (01:14:42):
Oh? Nothing much.
Speaker 5 (01:14:44):
That was basically it. But that's a that's a very
profound thought, you know, Like I do love all of
us humans for our imperfections. You know, we shouldn't love
anybody for who we think they should be, but rather
who they are right now. So yeah, I don't know.
We're all perfect and that's what makes us interesting and unique.
And you know, it all sounds kind of stupid, but
(01:15:06):
it is the way I actually think.
Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
So yeah, not stupid at all. And I'm a lockstep
with you on that. And like I said, it's important
to remain human. It's all through this the George orwell
quote right, It's not staying alive, it's important, it's remaining human.
What's most important is that we don't betray each other.
It's coming, and that moment will come to you. Make
sure when it's yours, you do the right thing. THEO,
(01:15:28):
you're the best. Appreciate the call, Appreciate the poem. Yeah,
I appreciate the story.
Speaker 5 (01:15:33):
Thanks for talking man, peace, glad to have you have.
Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
A great night. Theod tools ye tootles. There the official
potatroll mindes THEO. Go give him a follow when he
gives us permission to. I have his substack, but I'm
not going to share it because he hasn't given me
permission yet. Let me know in the chat if I
can share it, and I'll share it. We'll put you
on the list there and also shout out dragon Rose,
so we're going to put you on the list too.
I'm in between computers, so I have to get all
(01:15:56):
my stuff from the other thing and then i'll do
that this weekend and get all everything updated. So I
didn't forget. Okay, so here's the thing right regarding it,
fantastic calls all around. We're gonna move on from the doom. Okay,
you got if you want to talk about the doom,
call me on the doom. Okay. It does piss me off.
It's Harold Camping style. This is the type of stuff
that just grinds my gears to the utmost and I've
(01:16:18):
talked about this a lot in the past. However, there's
a whole new thread of information and ideas that are
just popping out as of yesterday because Paulina Luna again
the representative from Florida House Representative heading up the transparency
aspect of not just the JFK stuff, the MLK stuff,
which we've seen, the Epstein stuff wink wink, we haven't seen.
(01:16:42):
And then now we're talking UFOs and she's supposedly heading
up to sort of the transparency effort as part of this.
Now UFOs is complicated, as we've talked about quite a lot,
because it's again you know, is it Carl Sagan, is
it Carl Jung? Is it somewhere in between? And how
do we actually take this? But the problem is this,
well not the problem, let's say, the fascinating pivot point
(01:17:04):
of the conversation is this. This is from holding a
kulata on the Maybe I said that wrong on X
links from the description Joe Rogan just dropped bombshells on
interdimensional aliens, the Innunaki, and the Book of Enoch with
the sitting member of Congress. If you guys have seen this,
you know what I mean Representative Anna Pauline A Luna
has seen evidence of quote interdimensional beings. She thinks the
(01:17:26):
a nachi are real, and she's convinced the deep state
has reverse engineered alien tech. Now, well there's if you're
watching the stream, there is the thing you want to
book mark the thread? Yeah, yeah, blah blah blah. Okay,
So I'll read some of this when we get back.
But this is what's going on in the UFO zeitgeist.
Write this moment, because not only has she called out
(01:17:48):
some of the individuals who were scheduled to come testify
in a skiff as they call it scif where you
don't bring phones in and it's all the stuff and
burn bags in the highest level of secrecy. Well, a
lot of these UFO whistleblowers, or actually any of them
didn't show up to the last time they allowed this
(01:18:09):
or schedule it, and there's a scheduling stuff, and there's
a lot of dust up and drama. Look, I don't
care about the drama other than it seems like as usual,
there are plot holes and who knows what and why
they talk about these things as usual. The sy op
from Tartaria seems to rear its ugly head and you'll
know what I mean. Love to hear your thoughts on this.
(01:18:30):
What do you know about interdimensional aliens? We'll talk about
the when we get back seven oh two nine one
zero three seven. If we right back, more Trouble Minds
on the way, don't go anywhere. Welcome back, So Trouble Minds.
(01:19:06):
I'm your host, Michael Strange. We're strimming on YouTube, rumble x, Twitch,
and Kick. We are broadcasting live on the Trouble Minds
Radio Network, KUAP Digital Broadcasting and eighty eight point four
FM Auckland, New Zealand tonight. This is just a vibe check,
a vibe check on the zeitgeist itself. Now I'm calling
it system collapse syndrome because we started with this story
(01:19:27):
of yeah, that's right, the end of time will be
December fifth, twenty twenty five, or they could come to
save us. Okay, you see like this is a type
of a clickbait nonsense that just infuriates the hell out
of me. However, this escalated into a larger conversation when
Anna Paulina Luna, the representative House representative from Florida, actually
(01:19:49):
showed up on the Joe Rogan podcast yesterday. Okay, you guys,
listen to part of this or any of this, you'll
know exactly what I'm talking about. However, there's some things
that she said that are no not and some notably serious,
notably hilarious, notably shrug and what the hell? Anyway, here
(01:20:13):
we go. So this is again holding Koletta, thank you
for putting this out and kind of breaking down some
of this stuff. And these links are on the description
if you want to check it out and listen to
it yourself. I did listen to a lot of it,
but I didn't hear the entirety because I'm always working
in stuff during the day. But anyway, here you go.
So Representative Annapauline Elena told Joe Rogan she is convinced
that the US deep State has exotic, reverse engineered alien tech,
(01:20:38):
but there's something else out there, far more advanced than
we can even begin to understand, let alone reverse engineer. Quote.
I definitely think that there's a level of advanced technology
that the US government has and quote continue based on
our investigations, there is definitely something that I think would
rival what we currently know with physics or know currently
with physics and a tech that potentially is out there
(01:21:00):
that we don't have the ability to reproduce because it
would basically be like dropping the cell phone off back
during the time of maybe cavemen. Where we heard that before.
Is that I've said that's there's your sy op, there's
your sy op. They're dropping these things and we're saying them.
We're repeating them like monkeys. We're like the bananas and
the caveman and the cell phone. Okay, now now I'm
(01:21:26):
not saying like it's the worst analogy, it's decent. But
there's a thousand ways to say these things, or a
million ways to say these things, and we're like parroting
the same things. Okay, myself included, I'm not discluding myself.
This continues representative lin quote. I was able to ask
some of the witnesses, what are these things they keep saying? Interdimensional? Now,
(01:21:48):
if I had more time today, I would have pulled
all these clips out and we could listen to them.
But I'm not going to because again I ran out
of time as it is, just kind of going through
setting this up. But anyway, we'll stop there, we'll stop
right there, and we'll get back to this in a second.
This is a again not and even even more clown
world carnival. By the way, now a city member of
(01:22:08):
the House are legislators as it were, is now saying
that I was able to ask some of the witnesses
what are these things? And they keep saying interdimensional. Now,
the reason I say that is not because of the
the weight of what that means in terms of alien
life or whatever. Okay, that's not what I mean. I
(01:22:30):
mean that these people in government can't even get normal
regular stuff right. They lie upside down, sideways and inside
out every single day. So I'm not saying she's lying here,
but you get what I just said, Okay, Okay on
(01:22:52):
the Joe Rogan podcast, the biggest podcast of the whole world.
You get what I'm saying here. Okay, all right, My
tinfoil is tangling anything, James, and we'll go to the Robert.
Speaker 8 (01:23:05):
Just something I pointed out in the chat, and I
mentioned this yesterday. I'm Ricky Ricky anything as possible his podcast.
It's amazing how someone that is supposed to be working,
you know, in the government and getting things done for
people has time to be on a on a podcast,
a live podcast where they have to go to the
(01:23:27):
place in person and be there and you know, but yeah,
I have a lot of thoughts on that whole thing.
And it's not even it's nothing against the individual this representative.
It's just the the fact that they have people doing
this now, going onto these major shows, and to me,
(01:23:49):
that's that's just that also makes me wonder why and
what the agenda is for that.
Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
It's a sigh off from Tartaria. Obviously that's the that's
the new joke. I'm going to continue to say that
because it's checking off lists from the Rumble crew over there.
They want me to say particular things, and I am
a internet puppet and so I will do those things
just as a joke. But I mean, clearly just making
it make it a ridiculous joke there. But here's the
thing regarding that conversation, and you were spot on, don't
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we have enough problems in this country where these people
are representatives are elected representatives don't have time to go
talk to Joe Rogan and talk about Look, if I
got the invite from Joe Rogan and they're like, can
you be there Thursday, I'd be like, bro, I'm working
(01:24:40):
and then I have a show. You know what I mean.
So I'm not a congressional anybody or anything. I'm just
me and I got responsibilities. I got things to do.
Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
You get it?
Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
I mean, do I tell Joe Rogan to stuff it?
I don't know. Depends on how important the o'rougan podcast is. Anyway, Yeah,
you get you get my meaning. James, there's a there's
a problem here, and we're going to continue to talk
about it. But I want to know what you guys
think about this, because, like I said, it gets more weird.
It gets even more weird because not only the interdimensional
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aliens come up. She calls out the people that were
supposed to testify in the skiff, this super top secret
thing where nobody brings cell phones in and all the stuff,
and they didn't show up. She's she called out, basically
without naming them, Christopher Mellon, Lluella Zondo, and David Grush.
So she called out and said they're full of crap,
basically okay, without naming them. Instead, they had they got
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they caught a version of this skiff flew because they
had scheduled it. And then now suddenly there's a big
dust up and all this stuff. Look the drama to
me is stupid. However, is this or is this not
the most important thing in the human space, the actual
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revelation and disclosure of alien life, or is it just
some circus side show that we're doing for you know,
Joe Rogan style clicks, you get it. We got a
problem here, We've got a massive problem here. My tinfoil
is on fire. The tingling has ceased, it is now
on fire, So what the hell is actually going on?
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Anything on that, James, We'll go to Robert.
Speaker 8 (01:26:21):
Yeah, no, I just I agree. First thing I thought
that was the first thing I thought about when I
when I heard that she was on that show. It
is it was a weekday. I mean, if that was
recorded on that day or you know, day before whatever.
These are still weekdays, don't iron people supposed to be
you know, working on weekdays in general. But anyway, Yeah,
(01:26:44):
and yeah, I think that's all I have for now.
There's more, but I can't think of it. So yeah,
that's a good time to go to a caller.
Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Yeah, Tuk in your rage. We'll get back to that later.
You're the best jam seven or two nine, five, seven,
one or three seven, like the discord liingk of trouble
minds do on our put you on the show, just
like this, let's go to you, l or Robert, Robert,
what's her brother? How are you doing tonight? And what's
on your mind? There's a lot here to talk about.
Take a review like.
Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Yes, sir, loud and clear. You sound great?
Speaker 17 (01:27:14):
Okay, I'm out, James, and get over work there. The
Congress is on vacation.
Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
Oh they got all it.
Speaker 17 (01:27:26):
They're on vacation. They got all this time in their hands.
And certainly she had three hours that maybe she could
have spent those three hours with family, whatever like that.
But podcasts are where it's at now to get your
messages across right. The the mainstream media CNN, MSNBC, even
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Fox are declining rapidly as far as anybody paying attention
to them. So you go where you go where you're
going to get seen and heard, and certainly, Joe, and
it's not something that you pass up lightly.
Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Absolutely I agree with you. Like I said, should I
cancel my work on Thursday and the show on Thursday
to be on Joe Robyes, Yes, yes I would consider it.
Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
You'll get a million viewers.
Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Okay, But I'm just I'm just saying, right, like James
had a great point, and I agree with them, and yes,
but there's a lot of things in play here, and
I do think unfortunately that Anna Pauline Aluna, in my opinion,
is a lost in the sauce. There's a lot happening
where people are telling her all kinds of stories and
she's not even sure what to believe, and you can
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see it kind of coming through as part of this.
That's my opinion. What was your take? Did you catch
any of this at all?
Speaker 10 (01:28:41):
Now?
Speaker 17 (01:28:42):
I didn't catch Joe Rogan, but I will. I didn't
notice she was on And I can't blame her from
being confused. She's trying to get at the truth and
she's got all these different types of people coming at
her with whether they're intertermensional, there's seven different species. And
I have a problem with interdimensional because you know, for
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us to go to another dimension at this time, you know,
we have to die to go into another dimension, right, Uh.
And it's a dimension that that has completely different roles
than we have here. So here we have if this
is interdimensional, with these things are interdimensional, uh, and they
(01:29:25):
have to be able to adapt to the physics and
the and the whole, the whole, the whole reality of
this dimension.
Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
And I don't see how it could do that easily.
Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
Yeah, well, there's there's a lot there in terms of
that what that science brings. And again I'm not looking.
I'm not the guy that's going to be that arbored
or truth. But if you're going to have somebody mentioned
this type of thing, as I've always said, like I've
maintained this for years, you know, you've been listening to
being above part of this for literally years. I'm like, hey,
you can't tell the difference between Bigfoot and a gray
(01:30:00):
alien until you kind of get him in a cage
and look at him, or you know, you're able to
scientifically study them and say they're not the same thing. Look,
maybe they are, maybe they're not. Maybe they're figments of
imaginations and Zeitgei's stuff and you know, all the stuff
I've talked about pop out tollboids, who knows, right, But
until you can actually sort of quantify that in some way,
those terms are just troubled bind style terms, not congressional
(01:30:23):
hearing level terms. And she's got people telling her this stuff,
So I don't know like, like I said, you know me,
I'm willing to talk about ar cons today and the
watchers and all the rest of that, and then tomorrow.
Go Wait a minute, now, what do you mean by that?
Speaker 8 (01:30:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
I think it's important to recognize many things can be
true at the same time. And when you look at
all these ideas, what are we dealing with and what
does she mean specifically by that? It's a it's a
very loaded term. And I've got some from Eric Weinstein.
I've got some hilarious terms that are, you know, interdimensional.
He made this entire list. We'll get to that. I
don't want to steal your call. Go ahead, what else
you got?
Speaker 17 (01:31:02):
And I reject the reptilians. I think that I think
I will not believe that there's a species of aliens
who are reptilian and who are doing all the bad
things on earth. It's one thing they said, dog on ugly,
and I don't think they could speak well because they got.
Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Like alligator miles. And this doesn't fit for me.
Speaker 17 (01:31:27):
I posted a link on Rumble about this, uh, this
woman who claims to have been an intelligence or whatever,
US spent twenty one trillion dollars to build secret underground
doomsday bunkers for elites Thames former official and this former official.
Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
It's the second here. I've got the article up here.
Speaker 17 (01:31:54):
This former official, Catherine Austin Fits, was previously the Secretary
of Housing and Urban Development under former President H. W. Bush,
and she made these claims during an interview on Tucker Carlson.
She stated that the hidden funds were funneled into construction
of around one hundred and seventy underground bases around the
(01:32:16):
United States. Yead if some of these bunkers are located
beneath the oceans. And why I'm bringing it up is
maybe our government knows something. I'm thinking, well, you can,
you can juck. You can compare that with contracts, that
(01:32:36):
with what very rich ad doing building all of a sudden,
this building these bunkers for themselves. Right, It's like the
elite and the powerful are anticipating something happening, Yeah, which.
Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
Has been going on for some time. And I'm with
you on that. I'm definitely with you on that. But
does it got to be alien? You see what I mean?
My my my mind goes fractals in all the all
the ways when this type of stuff comes up, because yeah,
look and by the way, to who said this earlier?
I think I think it was Gordo over there on
Rumble said this, and this is an important aspect of
this or was it rast so one of you guys
(01:33:13):
are correct me if I'm wrong whoever said it, But
that my my YouTube feed or my social media feed
has been filled up with prepper stuff constantly and continually recently,
almost as if there's like this acceleration aspect of it.
And back to where we started with, you know, all
the all the gloom and doom and the end in
December fifth and all this stuff. What do you think
you think it's a sort of a full court press
(01:33:35):
from the mass media to kind of make people believe
these things. I don't know, what's your take.
Speaker 17 (01:33:42):
Well, let's say this object, this interstell object that's on
a path towards the Earth, right, and then you had
this this professor or whatever claiming that it's going to
arrive on the fifth of December, All right, is it
going to did they? Are they aware of some interstellar
(01:34:05):
object maybe that one that's going to collide with the
Earth and that's why they, you know, they quickly built
these bunkers. I can't imagine what anything any other reason
why they would.
Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
Yeah, I mean nuclear war. I mean, there's definitely one.
It's the reason people built bunkers forever. I mean in
the modern time.
Speaker 17 (01:34:24):
Last years were if we haven't gone, if we haven't
blown the planet up, you know, in the last thirty years,
we're not going to Now. It has to be something.
This has to be something civilization destroying, that's for sure.
But you know, even even innicular war would not completely
destroy it. And besides, I don't see how that would
(01:34:47):
actually protect them anyway. What I'm getting at is they
know something, and I'm not sure whether this thing that's
coming in from interstellar space is something that they've been
to wear up for a long time, Right, that's going
to cause that. But I have to wonder what the
heck is in their minds, because if they're all the
(01:35:08):
elite are going to go into these underground bunkers, and
of course the top the politicians and the president and
all those people are going to go into these underground cities, right,
what good is it to them?
Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
For one thing?
Speaker 17 (01:35:20):
They can't last forever and that in that area, and
you know, sooner or later, you know, you generators don't
work everything like that, but the majority of the population
of the earth has gone and they depend on us
to do their.
Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Labor for them.
Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
Yeah, the food sports, Yeah, they can't.
Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
They can't. They can't exist forever with us.
Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I think it is that
that fear of these sort of doom loops as we're
talking about too, because when you're you know, part of
that quote elite, then eventually there's you know, some some
speculation that those people will live forever. Go watch that
old movie The Island with Ewan McGregor and Scargo, Like
(01:36:03):
there's you know, maybe that's what they're holding out for,
and like, well, you know, we we know there's a
technology underground that's going to make us live forever. We're
just gonna you know, live long past the zombie revolution
to uh be here long after the plugs are gone.
I don't know.
Speaker 17 (01:36:19):
Yeah, but she's also claims that there's just every every
major city there's you know, they're they underground. It's all
linked up these underground We're not talking about just bunkers,
we're talking about underground cities.
Speaker 12 (01:36:39):
Uh.
Speaker 17 (01:36:40):
Anyway, I would ask if everybody it's interested in what
I'm talking about you know, when it comes to this,
I put a link on Rumble with.
Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
The article and you take a look at it.
Speaker 17 (01:36:51):
I watched her when she was on Carlson, and I
was I was kind of like iffy iffy with her, right,
actually seemed to really have a pretty good idea what
she was talking about.
Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
But I still is you know, it still seems a
little bit yeah, not quite sure.
Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
Yeah, as usual, Right, we're left with all this incomplete information,
tons of claims made about interdimensional beings and underground bases
as big as cities, with you know, the mono rails
that go from you know, east coast to west coast
and even under the ocean.
Speaker 8 (01:37:27):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
And look, I'm not saying any of that stuff is
not true. I'm saying that when you make a lot
of claims like this and throw a lot of things
out there, it does confuse people because they're like, wait,
so if that's the truth, twenty one trillion missing from
the Pentagon, we know about this, We've talked about this,
all this stuff. Is that actually where it went? So
where's how do we get into these things?
Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
I think that's what she claims, Yeah, exactly. She claims that.
Speaker 17 (01:37:52):
Tally missing is what was that was used to build
these underground city She also said that a sophisticated underground
transportation effort and hinted that a secret military energy system
is likely powering these sites.
Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
And she suggested some of these.
Speaker 17 (01:38:12):
Fast flying un identified area phenomenon I spotted in recent
years could be connected to it.
Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
Okay, and again not saying that's not real. Could somebody
of cracked fusion have the artificial suns underneath in these cities?
I mean, look, i'd have to see it, right, so
I'm not ruling anything out. But I follow you and
the link you dropped on a disc sorry on rumble.
By the way, I clicked it. I was going to
pull it up, but it so there's a broken link.
So I'll delve that out and it will be linked
(01:38:38):
to the description dounblow if you guys want to check
it out that for some reason, maybe you added a
character or something. I'll figure that out.
Speaker 17 (01:38:42):
All that might be because I ran out of not
be because I ran out of space.
Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
Yeah, they only allow you so many. That's okay, I'll
put it. I just put the link. I'll put the
link up again.
Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
That's okay. I'll delve that out. Link will be in
the description. I have heard this, we have talked about
this in the past. I don't know regarding the end
of the end of day's December fifth, what's your take
on that.
Speaker 17 (01:39:06):
You know, I'm highly skeptical because we've we've had the
world is going to end.
Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
I've been going on for thousands of years.
Speaker 8 (01:39:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 17 (01:39:20):
Oh, from the front, whether it's from biblical prophecy or
other things that you know, people getting up there. You know,
it reminds me of the old cartoon of the of
the homeless man carrying a sign, you know, the world
the end is year. We've been hearing that first. I've
been hearing that all my life. And we're still here.
(01:39:46):
Were what was twenty twelve, It was something about in
the early eighties. Yeah, we're still here because I do
not discount the possibility of what's coming at us, that
that interstellar thing, because it's really going to get close
(01:40:07):
to us. But you know, I also know that we
already have developed the ability to send nuclear missiles up
into space, all right, and and and caused them to
go off these types of of things to go off course.
Like as a matter of fact, we had a it
(01:40:28):
was a few years ago. We had a test one
of that with this uh, about the size of a
football field asteroid and hit it and it did. It worked,
It took it off course. It wasn't going to hit
us all right to begin with, but they wanted to
test it and it.
Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
Worked, okay, which which is uh, I mean, we got
a ton of that level of technology that we've been
testing forever, which suggests again a great many things. What
does it mean? I'm don't know. I don't really know.
And that's why again, keep your head on a swivel.
Recognize that a lot of the nonsense coming through the
the zeitgeist in the news cycles is nonsense. But what's real.
(01:41:09):
There's got to be something real in there, am I right?
Speaker 17 (01:41:12):
Well, when it hit that asteroid, that's small asteroid, what
it did is it caused it caused jets to come out,
all right from from where it cratered, all right, And
it was those jets that came out plumes that propelled it,
you know, on a different course.
Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
Yeah, I can't remember the name of that actual object,
but I know exactly what you're talking about. It's just
I don't know. We got we got a lot on
our plate as defenders of Earth and defenders of ourselves
to be dealing with. You know, you got one hundred
and sixteen days. That's really my point, Like, come on, guys,
what was what was that?
Speaker 8 (01:41:52):
What was that?
Speaker 1 (01:41:53):
What was that interstial object called more and More or
something like that? There it took a circle around our sun.
Speaker 17 (01:42:00):
Yeahs is some of the yearspect you know, and what
nobody talks about it anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
It just went somewhere.
Speaker 8 (01:42:10):
That was talking. It was that.
Speaker 2 (01:42:13):
That was the one actually that we all learned who
Abby Lobe was because he was like alien Joe and
it was like whoa alien Joe? And we talked about
that a lot, we did, Right, he.
Speaker 17 (01:42:25):
Said it was he was absolutely sure that that was
an interstellar object, that that was some sort of intelligently
driven spacecraft, and that whole thing just completely fell apart. Well,
maybe it was just like your your previous caller said,
there was nothing but a rocky surface, rocky thing. It
(01:42:45):
wasn't unless it was a spaceship inside an asteroid like
your previous caller was talking about, because it looked just
like a anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
It's different. It's difficult, that's difficult.
Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
Yeah, just just to say, was this supposed to be
the end of the world too. Now we're going to
go on.
Speaker 17 (01:43:06):
We have no matter what that thing is, if you know,
no matter what comes into near collision with the Earth
or comes in our path, no question. From what I
saw there a few years ago, what you know, where
they diverted that small asteroid, they have the ability to
offend united the world from being destroyed by an asteroid.
Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
All right, all right, I'm with you. We have the
beta test of that. Let's hope that it works against
alien spacecraft as well, Robert, except.
Speaker 17 (01:43:36):
For the ones they don't know that's out there. They
have they've calculated how many's out there, but there's some
that they don't know about. And you know something, we've
had that situation where there was flybys, you know, and
it was to everybody by surprise because nobody was seeing
that coming.
Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
Well said, Well said. I appreciate your thoughts. Thanks for
stainably with us. I will get that link figured out
and we will add that link will be the descript
I rested.
Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
I reposted the link.
Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (01:44:03):
I'm rumble.
Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
Always a pleasure. Thanks for staying to play with us.
Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
I'll sit back and listen to everybody else.
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Tonight we're talking about this wild idea of dimensional aliens
at the end of days. The end of Days December fifth,
twenty twenty five is when it all ends, because this
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third interstellar object has got to be aliens, because the
last two were obviously also aliens, but now this one's not,
or it is. You tell me. I'm saying we're still here.
Harold Camping shout out. If you know who the guy is,
go look him up. And I don't want to call
Auvi Lobe Harold Camping because I might get sued. I'm
(01:46:23):
not calling Avi Lobe that at all. I'm saying you
can't call everything this guy aliens though, so I think
it becomes a credibility issue at some point. I'm just
say am I wrong? I'm just saying, what do you
know about this? How do you feel about the doom
mongering stuff of these these clickbait artists that say, oh,
you know, we got one hundred and sixteen days December fifth,
(01:46:47):
according to Professor Avi the Professor Harvard. Come on, guys,
come on, look, am I wrong? I might be wrong.
I'm probably wrong, But how do you feel about it?
To nine one zero three seven click the discord like
a trouble minds dit anything to add there, James, I'm
mad in herschel right now, but you've got a quick
thought all yours, and you're welcome to pop in as
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we get to herschel.
Speaker 8 (01:47:09):
Here, just that at this point, anything any kind of
light or object in the sky to me, if I
if I see or if I hear about anybody else
seeing it, I'm going to wonder if it is made
by humans or by nature before I think about anything anomalous,
unless other things happen at the same time, settings of beings,
(01:47:33):
or just other things other than just a light or
an object moving through the skyer through space.
Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
Amen. Once that's that interstellar object curveballs and comes around
Mars toward us. I'm sold, I'm in The end is nigh.
Let's wait on tenter hooks and see if the harbinger
of fate is on our side. Herschel, thanks for being patient, brother,
you're on troubled minds. How you doing tonight? Welcome to
(01:48:00):
the joints. Go right ahead, a lot of things here,
take it anywhere you like.
Speaker 6 (01:48:05):
I'm scared. It's all go and.
Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
The doom is my brother. Here we go.
Speaker 6 (01:48:14):
You know, I think that the thing to do is
to watch the news cniple around that time and find
out what they're trying to distract us from. Like that's
what I think. There's so much happening in the world
of truth right now where that is like it just
seems like they're trying to child harm is being normalized.
(01:48:36):
Like in our society right now, it's like just being
they just want us to forget about all of the
people who operate our systems and what they're up to
and the kind of crimes that they commit against kids
and all of that, and they're just this seems to
be really convenient to me, you know. And the guy
who is that professor happens to be of a political
(01:48:59):
persuadion and that can't tell the truth once in a row,
you know, and it just it kind of just seems
obvious to me. And it's just about driving down people's
driving people into denial and depression and lowering people's vibrations.
And it's really hard to want to raise your vibration
(01:49:21):
when you're living in a world where child harm is
being normalized. It's difficult. And you know, and now in
in the UK volunteer and they just like sprung it
on the people there. Now they're experimenting with their pre
crime stuff there where they're they're analyzing everybody's social media
(01:49:47):
and everywhere they go and all the things that they do,
and they're trying to determine who's going to commit a crime.
Like they're basically experimenting on the people of England with
this technology now that was that that was announced today,
you know, and they're looking at people's they're looking at
people's like personal romantic lives and like kind of dosing
(01:50:09):
people on those things. As if the political class has
any room to talk about somebody else's thing, you know,
stuff problems or.
Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
Whatever, especially when they've been covering for each other.
Speaker 6 (01:50:22):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. We know that we're not. It's
not we're not supposed to be, but it's just to me,
it just seems like. And then as far as the
as Congress being on vacation, Let's remember why they're on vacation.
They the speaker sent them out of Washington so that
(01:50:42):
there couldn't be a vote on releasing files. And while
they've been on vacation, they let that lady out of jail,
so they sent her to a nice federal club fed
and now she gets to go out of jail during
the day and you know, and she has to sleep
there at night. It's like, this is just really very disturbing.
(01:51:07):
It's very disturbing what's happening. It's beyond disturbing what's happening.
And everybody's talking about every single thing except for that,
and I understand not wanting to talk about it, you know,
but like, because it's really disturbing, it has to be
dealt with. And they're doubling down on all of these things.
(01:51:30):
Having the lady on Joe Rogan, the talk of the
big rock in space coming to the Solar System, it's
either going to help us or destroy us, you know,
all of their doubling down on using AI in these
bizarre ways. And you know, I put some I put
some posts up in the AI help channel, like of
(01:51:52):
just AI going haywire, and like it just seems like
they're doubling down on distraction and really awful things just
to try to keep you know, because people are wise
to their corruption. And so it's just just a barrage
(01:52:14):
of you know, the the distraction and everything.
Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
You know, So this becomes the actual shiny object, which
there's recognize again. So this this young lady again, Anna
Paulina Luna is the individual in charge of these as
promised transparency issues RFK JFK and okay, right, all the stuff,
(01:52:46):
all the things and all the things are kind of
coming out in some capacity. But also Epstein is the
one that keeps getting dodged a lot. And now we've
got the shiny object, and I think I think you
may be right here. And this is why I point
this out. Look, I want to believe too, I really do,
and I do think we're not alone in this universe
(01:53:06):
and all the stuff, okay, and even interdimensional stuff, like
I said, I can take it seriously and I can
also ridicule in the market, which I will do shortly,
just to show you there are two ways to look
at this. However, once again, there are things more important
than aliens on this planet right now, and we need
to get our stuff together. Absolutely, what else you got,
(01:53:28):
go ahead, man, I.
Speaker 8 (01:53:30):
Don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (01:53:32):
I mean, it's seems, you know, she it's hard to
it's hard to say what to make of her, because
it sounds like she really wants to do the right thing,
like she knows, she knows how to make it sound like,
you know, oh, this is a problem.
Speaker 12 (01:53:47):
You know.
Speaker 6 (01:53:48):
She said that a lot like Congress's job is supposed
to be to you know, represent the people and also
to inform the people on things. And then you have
these elected people who are making these decisions and they
have secret classification that is above Congress. And then she
said like this is a problem. Like they're so good
(01:54:12):
at sounding like us. They they're really good at saying
the things that we want to hear, or they we
think that they think like we do, and then we
trust them, you know, But it just seems like it's
just sheep dogging over and over and over again, just
(01:54:33):
shepherding people back. I just wrote a thing. I just
wrote a story the other day called Vote Harder about that,
about how they just one of my flash fiction. Yeah,
you know, and and you know, it's just like they
just say exactly that. They find out they use the technology,
(01:54:55):
they comb the Internet, they comb everybody's technology, everybody these devices,
and they find out what we're saying and what people
are talking about, and then they go on TV and
they say those things, so it sounds like they're in
agreement with us, and it makes people want to trust them,
you know, and then they just do whatever the heck
(01:55:16):
they want to do, you know what I mean. And
it's just it's the same thing, and people are wising
up to it, that's the thing. And across the spectrum
people are starting to figure it out. And the more
people figure it out, the more they double down on
the balgoney. They just double down on.
Speaker 2 (01:55:36):
It and triple and quintuple and then it's like dimensional
aliens And you're right. You know what's interesting, Way back,
literally seven plus years ago, when Shut Out Frank, if
you're still out there, Buddy was the original co host
of the show, he said something very soililary He's like, look,
would you recognize people, please that the second somebody gets elected,
(01:55:56):
all the things they said to get elected, they don't
do it all. They do the exact opposite, almost as
if they've been indoctrinated into some secret society as part
of it. But also he was describing it as like
they are now compromised in some way. And look, there's
a lot of ways you can take that, the Epstein
stuff or whatever. However, it doesn't make a difference because
(01:56:16):
to me, the second people are elected, I don't trust
them at all anymore. And that becomes the thing. I
look at, none of them. I'm not a conservative, I'm
not a liberal. I don't if they're in office, I
don't trust them. I think they're lying to us. I
think a lot of the things they're funneling information like
you're describing it, maybe palanteer based, like they know what's
(01:56:38):
on the populist mind, and so they run on these
issues and that's how they get elected. I mean, there's
a ton of stuff here, and it's enough. If it's
not enough to make your blood boil. Like I said,
when my blood boiled when I was started, it's a
boiling again because this is the world we live in
in twenty twenty five. And if you don't recognize it
and you're still like punching for the Republicans or punching
for the Democrats, May I have a word? May I
(01:57:02):
have a word?
Speaker 6 (01:57:03):
I'm where there's any hope for somebody. I'm just not
sure how what happened? Or you know, like I know
really intelligent people who in every other aspect of their
lives are really high functioning and very like a stupe
(01:57:23):
and fantastic parents, like amazing a good adults, you know
what I mean, Like really good, and then you just
hear them repeating television talking points when it comes to politics,
and it's like, what, how does that work? Like how
(01:57:44):
can you be so adroit in every other aspect of life?
And then when it comes to the thing of the
organization of society and the control of society, you sound
like you've got your egged into your behind.
Speaker 2 (01:58:02):
You sound like a shill, like an actual and an
actual everybody misuses the word show, but you sound like
a shill.
Speaker 6 (01:58:09):
Oh my god, I mean they don't. To me, they
don't sound like shills. They sound they just really deceived,
like just the brainwashed, like you know what I mean, Like,
if it's just it's not, I feel my heart goes
out to them, like what happened? Like how did that happen?
Where everything else in your life is so together and
(01:58:32):
in spite of the craziness of the economy and the
wildness of what's happening, you're holding get together and your
kids are awesome and like you're doing these things, and
then you sound like a television when you talk about
the political class. It's like what, I just don't I
just can't. I just don't know how to deal. I
don't know what happened, how that happens to people. I
(01:58:55):
just don't get it. I don't know. I just feel
like it's the shiny object, like you said, it's the thing,
it's the distraction. And and I really think that we
need to watch that date, that that window of time.
Probably some seriously horrific behavior is going to be taking
(01:59:16):
place around that time. That's my guess, something really awful
it's going to be happening on Earth that they're not
going to be wanting us to pay attention to, you know,
And that may may be where they unleash a Project Booby,
and that might be that you know, it could be
where they start doing the holograms and you know, and
(01:59:36):
then all of the technology that we saw around New Jersey,
maybe that stuff starts re emerging or something like, and
then there's a big war, a big fake space war
or something. You know. Who goes like, but something is
going to just be, just is going to be. And
I think that the people and I think that more
(01:59:57):
and more people are becoming aware of that. Like I,
you know, the other day, I always go back to
my writing just because it's my point of reference, you
know what I mean, Like that's my thing that it's
my joy, So it's like my point of reference.
Speaker 10 (02:00:12):
And like.
Speaker 6 (02:00:15):
I wrote something the other day about a torrent a
rainfor it, and it aligned with guy breaking out of
his procrastination. Like I kind of made a parallel story
and used the drought ending with a guy's procrastination ending.
(02:00:35):
And that night, that night of the day that I
wrote that, where I live, we had a massive rainstorm,
Like it was just like yesterday, actually we had just
a massive rainstorm. And I thought to myself, wouldn't it
be cool if I manifested that rainstorm because of that story?
(02:00:56):
But I know that's not what happened. What happened was
my mom my subconscious mind was gathering all of the
data of the world around me, and there was a
you know, a calculation made in my brain that told
me that all of the evidence that I was subconsciously absorbing,
like as we do as humans, was making me aware
(02:01:20):
of the fact that we're going to finally get that
rainstorm we've been looking for. That's what happened. I didn't
manifest it. I knew it was coming. My subconscious was
telling me, Hey, it's going to finally rain tonight. You
look at all the stuff that's going to Look at
the clouds, look at the temperature, look at the barometer,
look at this, look at that, like you're going to
finally get that rainstorm. And that's probably why I wrote
(02:01:40):
the story about the rain storm, you know, and so
you know, you know, I can't stress it enough. Like
your intuition is right. Whatever you're intuiting about this rock
flying through space is probably the right thing. And I
think that we all know it's a distraction.
Speaker 2 (02:01:58):
There you go, and doesn't it doesn't endear me to
the UFO community for not buying these lines declining sinker
like It's always been one of those things where I'm like,
wait a minute, now, didn't this exact person say this
exact opposite thing a couple of years ago, And they're
the expert that supposedly worked inside the government on a
UFO program and they said the exact opposite people. And
(02:02:18):
then again the cognitive dissonance aspect of this is basically
a Republican and Democrat. It's basically this binary nonsense that
they don't want us to critical think in the space whatsoever.
And like you just said that farmer's almanac that can
predict that rainstorm, it's cooked into us. It is, it
is baked in and.
Speaker 6 (02:02:41):
Says it's baked in exactly right. That's the best way
to put it. Yeah, it's the best way to put it.
That Luna even she even said that, She even called
out those like ops and you know, because that's what
the people are saying. So that's what she said, because
that's what we're saying. You know, I got one more thing,
one more thing I want to get. I don't want
(02:03:02):
to forget it. Go ahead to say I hopefully remember
I hope I remember it. Oh jeezity a second, I
can't remember well, yeah, okay, if I if I remember,
I'll put it in the chat and I'll and I'll
tag you and then you can just But I hope
I remember it. I can't right now it's gone, but
(02:03:23):
I hope.
Speaker 8 (02:03:24):
It comes you.
Speaker 2 (02:03:25):
Sit right there, mute up for just a second. Let's
get James's take, and then it'll come to you. It
always does. It's magic more with Herchelin just a second there.
Appreciate that James anything on any of that stuff. There's
a ton of stuff here to talk about. And look,
I agree, I agree, I agree, I agree. The shiny
object is in our face and this is being pressed
(02:03:45):
into the zeitgeist and how how better can you do
that by going on Joe Rogan? And some people have
suggested Joe Rogan is an op, like he's anyway taking
anybody like James. My goodness, so many things that's to consider.
Speaker 8 (02:03:58):
Yeah, great call from herschel so far. I was also wondering,
and there's no way to know this probably, but so
did he reach out to her or did she reach
out to him or all these you know, like did
they arrange it somehow? But yeah, that's uh, I do agree.
(02:04:18):
You know, there's so much in this world that is
going on that no one wants us to think about. Definitely,
and uh, and I've been thinking about this a lot
lately when it comes to all the things that I'm
that I'm really into, and a lot of people here
are you know, really into. Which are the this whole
alien thing, the whole creature cryptid thing, the whole ghosts
(02:04:39):
or spirit thing. There are narratives of what they're supposed
to be, and if you if you go outside of
those narratives, if you ask questions about what they could be,
then you a lot of times you don't you don't
become popular in those fields. You know, it's and there's.
(02:05:01):
But then if you go and look at a lot
of the different streaming platforms that have shows in these things,
so many of them, many of them are so similar.
I'm not even joking. Just take your pick, look around
at any app you want to. There's just so many
that are the names are different, but you know, you
can spot what kind of show it is based on,
(02:05:23):
you know, the names and or the description or the images.
And I've done this before, so it is really wild
that works.
Speaker 2 (02:05:32):
Yeah, welcome to it. It's actually why I made the
Alien logo, Like, you know, eighty percent of the time
we we don't even really talk about aliens. However, it
sort of draws in that that that type of mind,
that type of person. I mean, it is sort of
that the glyph or the you know, the ancient the
ancient meme is part of this. It's like people see
(02:05:54):
it and they recognize, oh, counterculture, Oh aliens. Oh there's
something more to this than meets the eye. Right, It's
definitely a thing. And so yeah, I mean, here we go.
We're dealing with congress members now doing this, and once
again I reiterate, I am, I'm what I like to
call post political. If there's a politician talking, they're lying.
(02:06:17):
That's just how I see it. And that goes for
every single one of them. And the only reason I
don't directly criticize and go after people and all the
rest of it. And the reason that's been that way
for years is because everybody else is doing that. The
left is doing it for the right and they're correct,
and the right is doing it for the left and
they're correct. Both criticisms are correct. So why do we
(02:06:39):
need to do that? Like there's a lot of people
making a lot of money doing that, and they're right.
I mean, you know, for the most part, but you
get it like that. There's a ton of nuance there
and it's just adding more noise to the fray. Is
ridiculous to me. And so let's do let's talk about
our narratives. Like I've always said, let's consider these things
outside of what they want us to believe. I think
(02:07:00):
hersh And nailed it there with that shiny object, and
this is important to consider when all of this information
starts to come out. Hirsh did you remember the thing
how you doing everything going?
Speaker 6 (02:07:10):
Okay, No, I didn't. I didn't remember that, but you know,
if I do, I'll put it in there and and
I'll tag you and you can do the things.
Speaker 2 (02:07:21):
I got your back one as you know, well, you
know what to do and any any final thought there,
and I'll tell everybody where to find you.
Speaker 6 (02:07:31):
I just want to make sure everybody knows you have
a choice. You're either an easy Topian or a Tumanitarian.
I really think that you should be an easy Topian.
I hope that's what happens. That's just the way I feel,
me too.
Speaker 2 (02:07:47):
I also saw that that tweet, that post x X
post you made regard to that, and I couldn't agree more.
I couldn't agree more tumanitarian, the TikTok attention span is
not where do we need to be? You were the best,
as you know. I appreciate you very much. Herschel Sterling,
he is l the official l ombre of troubled minds.
Will do in Spanish sounds fairy.
Speaker 6 (02:08:08):
I can do the storyteller instead of the man of
You don't like that.
Speaker 2 (02:08:12):
You don't like the man. I like the man. Bro
you can hit a ninety five mill on hour fastball.
If you're not the man, then I don't know who's
the man.
Speaker 6 (02:08:18):
You hit tired faster ones than that. I'm just saying,
but that was and that was a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (02:08:24):
Okay, the storyteller.
Speaker 6 (02:08:26):
That's not the pleasure of a man. By the way,
that's just one thing. I mean, everybody's basically able, you know, I'm.
Speaker 2 (02:08:32):
Just saying, because you do so many things well. People
a definitely perfect. If you prefer the storyteller, that is
what it will be. You're the best. I appreciate you
very much. Thanks for hanging out as you remember that
dropping in the chat and we'll add it to the thing.
Even if you remember tomorrow or something, I will add
it to the uh, the the the links below.
Speaker 8 (02:08:51):
So thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (02:08:52):
Always a pleasure. Appreciate the call. Have a great night.
Speaker 6 (02:08:56):
Good night everybody, see.
Speaker 2 (02:08:57):
You, take care. You don't love him hersh sterling. You
know where to find him, Troubleminds dot org Forde side Friends.
Go check it out. Easy Toopian is the name of
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(02:09:42):
guys are the best. More trouble minds coming up. What
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in the world of the what's the world? What do
you call it? Other than Middle Earth?
Speaker 11 (02:10:36):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:10:36):
That's where they filmed The Lord of the Rings. That's
Middle Earth down there. Did you know that we're broadcasting
across the cosmos into Middle Earth itself? Shout out to
New Zealand tonight. We're talking a great many things, and
of course specifically and directly aliens, but not just aliens
like you think, right. Everybody wants to run with the narrative.
Everybody wants to, you know, get the clicks and the
(02:10:57):
bait and all the things and all the notoriety. Okay,
look as long as I got air in my lungs,
like and you guys call me out on this too,
by the way, Like I've done a little bit of this,
a little bit of clickbaity stuff over the years, right,
just to kind of catch a moment, some attention. Some
you know, do some marketing. But there's a massive difference
(02:11:19):
between marketing something and flat out lying about the end
of times being like one hundred and sixteen days out
and then and then citing a a a Harvard astronomer,
a notable one whose credibility, in my opinion, is nose diving. Okay, Look,
(02:11:44):
you can't say every damn thing in this guy's an alien. Okay, Look,
I'm not stupid. I want to believe. But also, by
the way, if this is going to be your legacy,
doctor Avi Lobe, maybe slow down a little bit. Maybe
you know, every interstellar object is not an alien, right,
(02:12:05):
Like think about how big the cosmos is, et cetera.
Speaker 8 (02:12:07):
So on.
Speaker 1 (02:12:10):
You get it.
Speaker 2 (02:12:11):
Look, I'm just saying we got some problems here, and
the problem is the information flowing through our brain and
how we react to it.
Speaker 8 (02:12:19):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (02:12:20):
That's what's on my mind. And I'd love to hear
your thoughts on this. If you want to be part
of the conversation seven oh two nine five seven one'
zero three seven Click the discord link of troublemindes dot
and look, I know it's not the sexy thing. I
know it's not. People are like, tell us about the aliens.
Speaker 12 (02:12:33):
Mike.
Speaker 2 (02:12:33):
No, Look, I don't know how could I know this,
But there's a lot of people saying they know this.
Speaker 8 (02:12:41):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (02:12:43):
And by the way, it's my job to pitch you
off a little bit. Recognize I actually live on the
edge of that as I'm trying to piss myself off
and look at my actual reality tunnel and consider what
I believe in what I don't and change my mind
every single day as necessary. James, anything you got, we'll
go to Eric.
Speaker 8 (02:13:04):
I'm offended. Mike, I'm terribly offended.
Speaker 2 (02:13:07):
And James, get over it. Get over it, Get over it, James. Wow.
Speaker 8 (02:13:13):
But no, And you know what this came to mind
just now by saying it could whatever this thing is
could save us or destroy us or whatever. That's playing
to both sides of the overall UFO alien conversation if
you think about it, because there are people on that
that are sure that one of those things is going
(02:13:36):
to happen. That's a huge debate within that whole space,
and and there are camps, and those are I would say,
probably two of the biggest camps in that space. So
by saying using that statement, it's it's a it's trying
to encompass everything. To me, it feels like it's trying
(02:13:56):
to get all the attention of the whole space possible
by using that kind of phreezing. If it's not, then
it's still worth putting into.
Speaker 1 (02:14:04):
It very well.
Speaker 2 (02:14:06):
Exactly. There are the doomers who say the aliens are
going to destroy us, and there are the opposite. I
don't know what do you call those people like, I
don't know. I don't know. I don't know what you
call those people that say the aliens are coming to
save us. There are people that truly, deeply believe these things.
But honestly, personally, and I'm not the arbor of anybody's truth.
Everybody relax, I don't have enough information to make that determination,
(02:14:31):
And to be honest, I'm not sure anybody does. So controversial, right,
I'm like the most uncontroversial UFO guy there's ever been.
And by the way, I kind of don't like talking
about UFOs. I'd rather talk about so many other interesting things.
Speaker 8 (02:14:45):
But here we go.
Speaker 2 (02:14:46):
Strap in because it's in the zeitgeist. It is flowing
through our brains in the moment, whether we know it
or not. Any thing else. James will go to Eric.
Speaker 12 (02:14:55):
Just that.
Speaker 8 (02:14:56):
To me, I don't think there can be one side
or the other completely, because even if you just look
at all the experiences people have had, there's a range
of them. There are positive, there are negative, there are neutral.
So so yeah, and that's that's what I look at,
is the experience is not the narratives.
Speaker 2 (02:15:18):
As well. We should and again, like we've always said
too as part of this larger conversation, the experiencers actually
are anecdotal, but at some point, when you have enough
of them, that becomes data. So why has that data
largely been obfuscated and fractured and it's talking about angels
(02:15:38):
and demons and the Collins Elite and all the different things.
To me, that seems like the biggest sigeh of of all, well,
other than the other one I talked about the other night. Anyway,
seven two nine ones or three seven click to discord
link at troubleminds dot org. We'll put you on the
show as easy as that sometimes you just talk about
cool stuff. Sometimes you just talk about cool stuff. Eric
and Ohio, what's it? Brother? You're on trouble minds? How
(02:15:59):
are you going?
Speaker 7 (02:16:01):
Hey man, I'm an intelligent, emotional monkey with tools and
I'm dangerous.
Speaker 2 (02:16:07):
Absolutely, you are just like so that that describes all
of us, really.
Speaker 7 (02:16:13):
Yes, oh man? So rocks, interstellar rocks, rocks traveling between
the stars. Where they come from? Why do they stop
buy and visit us? Why are were they hard to
detect before? Well, I mean generally, between Mars and Jupiter,
(02:16:37):
the rocky and gaseous planets, you've got the astoid belt
and it lies along the same elliptical plane as all
of the planets do. And beyond Neptune you have the
Kepler Belt, which also lies along the same plane as
all of the other planets do. So when we're observing
(02:16:59):
the planet like we have been for a while, we
catch a lot of asteroids and because they come from
those same directions that we're looking and their comments, on
the other hand, are hard to detect, or more difficult
to detect, because the comets come from beyond the help
(02:17:23):
of the belts, they come from the ORCS cloud, which
is like a spherical cloud of rocks and rocky like
planets that surround our entire Solar system and go out,
you know, about one to one point five light years
from the Sun. And so when a comet comes in,
(02:17:44):
they can come from any vector, any direction, and sometimes
can get pretty close before we figure it out. In
some cases we don't figure it out till it gets
close enough to the Sun that the ice on it
melts and makes a tail and becomes securely obvious. And
of course when those things were seen, they were pourings
(02:18:04):
of doom when people seeing them in those cases. And
so now we're talking about interstellar objects, right, So all
of these stars, like I was saying, the or cloud
stretches out about one point five light years at its terminus,
about where the heliosphere is, about as far as the
(02:18:27):
gravitation of the Sun can affect anything. And our nearest
star is Alpha Centauri, and it's like four point two
light years away.
Speaker 12 (02:18:37):
So there's not.
Speaker 7 (02:18:39):
Comparatively a lot of space between those two things. It's
easy for the outside extremity of what would pass for
the or cloud around Alpha Centare to become dislodged and
drift over to the very next system, which would Bes,
which is fairly close with those distances. Most asteroids and
(02:19:03):
commets are knocked out of their orbit because these things
are all banging around together, and occasionally one gets banged
around hard enough to set it coming close to our
Sun and it just picks up speed. It starts slow,
and it fits up speed as it gets near the Sun.
But with interstellar objects, they can come in from any vector,
just like comets can, and they also are coming in
(02:19:27):
a more than likely a much higher speed than a
comment or an asteroid would because it's been traveling through
interstellar space. It's been knocked out by some cataclysmic events
or for a cataclysmic event, and it's now traveling a
couple of I years about, you know, just to get
to the next star. It could it be work Wolf
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three fifty nine, it could be our star's soul, it
could be another star at a system. But there are
pretty much packed close together, so it's not unnatural to
have a rock interstellar Visitor's is now that we just
are able to detect these things because we know what
vectors to look for. We've been looking for other things
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like comments, and we know that they're coming in at
certain speeds now, so there's going to be an ever
increase in the amount of objects that we can identify
that comes from interstellar space, and so that's going to
happen more often than it has been in the past,
just like it has with Comments when we were able
to identify comments and identify it with their strange elliptical orbits,
(02:20:34):
how long it was going to take them to come
back around. You might find the same thing with some
of these interstellar objects. They might occasionally get caught for
a number of years in a Sun's orbit at a
high elliptical orbit that may see them come around once
a millennium. Right, Almost impossible to predict unless you're really
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able to get some readings on it as it comes
in and stuff. It's coming in so fast because the
slingshot is tight around the Sun, it's hard to get
certain readings on them. And they also tend to be
wobbling quite substantially compared to things like asteroids that come
in on the same vector as all the planets are,
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which is why we're able to land some probes on
things like asteroids and not as easily things like comets
or interstellar objects. But yes, this could be considered a
porrent of a bad boomen, just like comets used to be.
Just the updated version of that.
Speaker 2 (02:21:34):
Yeah, does a Just to correct myself too, shout out,
shout out, Shane. You got me when I said I
don't like talking about UFOs, He said, Mike, I think
you don't like to talk about anything, but AI stuff
proved me wrong. Yeah, you're kind of right there, Shane
is kind of right. But also, by the way, because
the way data collection and the acceleration works, AI may
(02:21:57):
prove UFOs are real and true. I mean so anyway,
notice how I did that. Anyway, So just just to
shout out to Shane there, But okay, the problem here
is that we have a data collection bias, right, and
that like you described, we were like, okay, so this
is the third one ever of the interstellar object, and
every damn time auvii lob has been Oh it's a
(02:22:19):
mulah MoU, it's a it's a it's a it's a
light sale, it's a look. I'm excited about that. I'm
interested in the science. I want to learn all about it.
I learned all about them. I know more about a
muamua than zero point one percent of the population. I
read everything about that. We talked about that for months
on the show, to the point where I ran people
off to like, oh god, this guy's still talking about
this thing. But then we had a second one, and
(02:22:41):
now we have a third one, and every damn time
AUVII lob is like bro aliens and it's like, dude,
at some point, right, the fourth one going to be
aliens too, the fifth one going to be aliens too,
Like that's not how science works, and that's how dogma works.
And I get it. I want to believe too. I
want the us to be aliens, no joke, I do,
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not to end us. Maybe they'll come save us. Maybe
it'll be benevolent and neutral and we can you know,
live long and prosper together or whatever. But you get it,
like you can't you. I mean, this becomes ancient astronaut
theorists say yes, and is there anything more? And that's
so much to say, what do you get on that?
Speaker 5 (02:23:21):
It's novel?
Speaker 7 (02:23:22):
It's novel, and so people are latching onto it. But
assuredly there have been interstellar objects have passed through this
vicinity in the past, we just haven't known about them
and detected them. And like I say now that we're
going to be detecting them more often than not because
we understand their trajectories and their speeds and what they
are and how they come in. We're going to be
(02:23:45):
finding more of these, So he's going to have lots
of chances to say that it's a UFO, if that's
what he.
Speaker 6 (02:23:50):
Wants to do.
Speaker 8 (02:23:51):
I watched a.
Speaker 7 (02:23:54):
A interview with him and some other scientists, and on
all the board of people was one of the people
who are behind SETI, which for decades has been using
that fourteen twenty frequency the baseline of hydrogen to look
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for intelligent life in the galaxy, and where all nations
have agreed to stay off that same frequency so that
that's a frequency that we all can listen on for
life or signal of life. So we've been looking in
earnest and with the Drake equation for life for a
(02:24:36):
long time, and many people believe that at least microbial
life exists.
Speaker 12 (02:24:40):
Right.
Speaker 7 (02:24:41):
I sat there and watched Ave just trash talk this
person from SETI and chastise them for not giving for
not just agreeing with him that these things are UFOs
when they had other data that they felt backed up
(02:25:02):
their position that they weren't right, and so it's really
hard to listen to this, dude, chastise somebody who has
made it their whole lives work to literally look for
UFOs in ways that most people don't even understand how
it works, let alone knowing what somebody has to do
(02:25:24):
to do this to make this their lives work. It's
not like anybody's getting rich off of this. I mean, obviously,
if anything could be proved, these people would be at
the center of it because that's what they want out
of their lives, and it would be substantial enough that
it would be unavoidable in the news, Like you don't
have to worry about that you're missing something because if
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this happens and can be confirmed, we've already got systems
in place that would make it absolutely unavoidable for people
to find out, Like, for instance, it SETI finds out.
One of their procedural guidelines is that they are notifying
universities and stuff. So I mean it's basically you get
on the Internet and like, look, hey, we found this.
(02:26:06):
Train your stuff to this frequency or whatever it is,
and verify this force. By the time this is verified,
it's going to be leaked as well. So yea, if
it comes in through that particular channel, people absolutely know
about it. If it came in before that, like with
ancient aliens or whatever, well who knows. But it's a
(02:26:27):
modern thing, we should all know about it pretty readily.
And as far as doomsday situations, that's my.
Speaker 2 (02:26:35):
Next question, you're a mind reader. That was exactly my
next question answer.
Speaker 7 (02:26:41):
I've been seeing those when I you know, when I've
been studying first century Roman interaction with Christianity. There there's
a lot of things that I've read where Christians have
went out or early Christians, which really just a different
form of Judaic religion, not really Christianity, but these people
would go out looking for what they called their tokens
(02:27:03):
of deliverance, where they essentially thought that the world was
going to come to an end, or that there would
be a battle on the plains of Macgea and there'd
be an armageddon and Christ would establish his kingdom on earth.
And in many of these accounts, the Romans would find
out about this situation through spies and would go and
(02:27:26):
meet them and kill these people because they considered them
to be committing sedition by saying that some other deity
other than the divine Emperor would establish his kingdom on earth,
which really flew in the face of him being a
divine emperor and an empire taking over everything. So a
lot of times they would try to wipe these people
(02:27:48):
out as if they were rebel rousers and stuff. There's
one instance where they trapped a bunch of them in
the Circus Maximus and then set it on fire, and
things like that. Has been the people have been for
a really long time thinking that the world was going
to come to an end. Of course, in the eight
hundred nine hundred AD that are the vikings had dragging
(02:28:10):
the rock, which of course is the story of the
world coming to an end and the Sun being swallowed
in all of this. So we've been surviving quite a
few of them. At one point, not long ago, the
planet's all lined up and the gravitational horses was supposed
to tear us up. And then there's the Mayan calendar
that came to an end.
Speaker 1 (02:28:28):
She just goes on and on.
Speaker 7 (02:28:29):
Now we've got one hundred and sixteen days. Did you say,
is that shopping days or is that just regular days?
Speaker 2 (02:28:34):
Of course, that's shopping days.
Speaker 8 (02:28:36):
Christmas is coming, and yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (02:28:38):
Before they drop the Black Holiday.
Speaker 3 (02:28:41):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (02:28:41):
What was a Black Friday sales?
Speaker 10 (02:28:43):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (02:28:43):
And then you have to pay full price. It's one
hundred and sixteen days. I mean, yes, yeah, this is
the most ridiculous say okay. Also, by the way, too,
it's an interesting aspect of this as you're describing. There's
so many that you could site throughout history that have
largely gone come and gone as part of the doomsday effect. Right,
what this is night see nineteen seventy three E one
(02:29:05):
You guys remember this right? The comic codec You guys
remember this one. I was not born yet is a
comment that passed close to the sun towards the end
of nineteen seventy three. Early predictions of the comments peak
brightness suggested that had the potential to become the brightest
comments of the twentieth century. YadA yadah, blah blah blah.
There was a lot of people, what are they selling?
Like comet juice? And like, I mean this this is
(02:29:28):
the stuff that colts are made of. And again one
comes through, another comes through, the rest come through, and
then you know, as usual nineteen ninety nine and y
two K we got twenty twelve and that bid and
then you know, I mean, on and on and we're
still here.
Speaker 7 (02:29:42):
Is my bill forget the heaven state called just trying
to get into the UFO and the tale of the
hell Bop common that came from the play system.
Speaker 2 (02:29:50):
Yes, exactly, the Hail the Hail Bob. Yeah, yeah, and
that becomes a problem here, like I said, and you
know me, Look, look, as I'm not a it's tough
to walk the line. Look, I'm not a naysayer in
terms of not doom. I'm a naysayer in terms of doom,
but in terms of possibilities and like actual extraterrestrials and stuff. Dah,
(02:30:10):
it's a big ass universe. Okay, period. However, the Earth
narrative is always the end is nigh, The end is nigh.
Every time we have a new thing in the sky.
Then no offense. But I'm sorry, Auvi Lobe. You have
to prove me wrong that you are not any herald
camping camp. Okay, see what I did there, And it's a.
Speaker 7 (02:30:29):
Prop race is old enough to destroy itself. We don't
need no external help from anything else. We can have
our nuclear wars and our bio four level leakages and
all the things that we propagate in each against each other,
in the wars that we have, we will have our
own doom or create our own doom far before anyone
(02:30:50):
has an interest in coming over thousands of light years
and then to say, hey, we're gonna kill.
Speaker 1 (02:30:55):
You, strap in or help you.
Speaker 2 (02:30:59):
Yeah, Like like James James very smartly pointed that out too.
Like it is, it's even in the esketon. It's binary.
It's like, well, are they coming to to kill us?
Are they coming to save us? It's like whoa, whoa,
That's that's a pretty wide spectrum. I mean, I don't know,
I live long and prosper, right, There's like there's a
(02:31:21):
third option there.
Speaker 7 (02:31:23):
Who would want to save us? Who would want to
save us? Who don't want to be able to come
and say, you know, you're one of the few species
of the universe that prey on themselves. You hear that
all the time as a troupe in science fiction dialogue.
A lot of times the aliens are saying that us,
like we're some sort of an exception, which I actually
don't think is true because I think that you know,
(02:31:43):
things like oxytocin and dopamine as serotonin is going to
have some equivalent or or thereof inside other biochemical creatures
that are carbon based if such exists, so I would
imagine that emotion would exist for them too. But but yeah,
it's kind of a funny thing to think about the well,
you know, like why are we going to Why would
(02:32:05):
they come.
Speaker 11 (02:32:05):
And save us?
Speaker 7 (02:32:06):
I mean, what virtues have we shown and produced? And
what have we done that that deserves us to be saved?
Speaker 1 (02:32:13):
I don't know, what do you say?
Speaker 2 (02:32:16):
I mean, well, that's a trope. But obviously there are
definitive answers here, like we're about to sort of crack
all these these sort of new physics things and what
You're in Ohio and I'm in Las Vegas and we're
talking to each other in real time without any lag.
I mean, hey, there are people getting hard transplants and
brain surgery secure cancer.
Speaker 7 (02:32:40):
That's just a propagate our own species. That's that's just
a natural thing. Most of our science has been toward
biology to sustain our lives because it's just a natural drive.
Even llm's have that drive. It's not something that is special.
It's like, if you've got enough intelligence, you're essentially going
to try to propagate, save yourself.
Speaker 5 (02:33:01):
If you have the ailability to do that.
Speaker 7 (02:33:04):
But moreover, I meant in a galactic sense, like what
have we done outside of our planet that would attract
the attention of someone where they would say, Hey, you
know those Earth people, they have some pretty good sitcoms.
We should probably save them.
Speaker 2 (02:33:20):
I see, Okay, I was I was trying trying to
defend the human race, but you just you sunk my battleships.
Speaker 7 (02:33:27):
Though I'm sorry. We are a noble species. We are
the only species may be able to blend logic and
emotion together in the way that we do, and it
may even be magic to some other species that have
the inability to do that.
Speaker 2 (02:33:45):
Indeed, indeed, Kardashev three is on the line. They'd like
to talk to you, sir. That's our good.
Speaker 7 (02:33:56):
I'm sure we'll be fine, man, I'm sure. I'm sure
that we'll ask the student's day. I'm sure this interstellar
object will come and go like the other two that
we know of, and probably ones that have came and
went long before we were populating the planet. And I
think you know, everything's in motion, and everything will continue
to be in motion relative to each other and within
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the frame necessary to describe things like distance to speed.
Aside from that, I think we're all going to be
fine the old I agree with people saying that this
is a distraction from other more immediate, important, potentially political.
Speaker 2 (02:34:35):
Events, exactly right. And so the ultimate true conspiracy of
them all, which is this is a meme and a
trope obviously, is that the real conspiracy is everything's going
to be just fine. Well now, officially, sir, you're a
conspiracy theorist. Thanks for the call, stayed uplaying with us.
Speaker 7 (02:34:59):
I couldn't raised my hand on this chord, which is
why I called, and I can't hear James and only
you on the phone.
Speaker 8 (02:35:08):
Just so you know, thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:35:09):
I appreciate that because otherwise I wouldn't know anybody else
having the same problem. Let me know in the thing,
because yeah, that's a problem. I appreciate you very much.
Thanks for the sound check, and thanks for the amazing ideas,
and thanks for being you always a pleasure brother. Thanks sure, right, Eric,
and ohio again, there I say it. I'll say it again.
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Speaker 8 (02:36:27):
Conspiracy? I'm being framed? No, I just great calls from
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There.
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Also, I highly recommend, not because of me so much,
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Eric was amazing on there. Also, Jen was amazing on there,
So yeah, definitely recommend listening to that because I really
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enjoyed that, and I always enjoy hearing from and talking
with Eric. But yeah, this has been a great topic.
You know, the the whole help or save or destroy
us saying, or even just the idea of people being helped.
There's level levels within that too, where there's contact, these
(02:37:20):
stories of alien saying we're here or we will help
you all. But only those of you that are chosen
are those of you that follow this religion or that
political system. I'm not even exaggerating here. And so even
within that whole bomy of the extremes of doomed verus
(02:37:41):
and saved, there's mixing of the two and to where
it's saving some people doing others. So yeah, a great
cost of everyone thinks you as always Mike for let
me hang out here and h and I'm sorry about
the tech issues. It's a they're definitely around for a
while lately here and there, So yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:38:03):
Yeah, Discord is super weird. Like I said, please, if
you guys are experiencing those things, let me know, because
if you don't tell me, I don't know, and so
we can't even begin to formulate how to fix them
if you don't meant kind of speak up. So thank
you Eric for that, and it's never too late for
that stuff. Send me the message again on Discord. Send
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system if you're listening on the phone, restart your phone,
that type of stuff to make sure it's not like
a personal bug to you. And then if if it's again,
we'll start to see some patterns that maybe we can fix.
And James and I, by the way, I have been
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behind the scenes doing some stuff to maybe fix some
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so we have the phone line, we have the Discord,
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Speaker 8 (02:39:08):
Joke exactly, No, it's true. It was well, only I
only had to retry once and for those that maybe
haven't done that before, try to get into shows. One
retry is not bad. I am not exaggerating there either.
So yeah, no, it was good and I'm looking forward
to that. If it works, then that'd be great for
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the future.
Speaker 2 (02:39:30):
There you go, lots of ways to do it. And still,
like I said, this is this is a labor of love.
It is a lot of work that goes into this
kind of not again, not just the ideas and the
conversations and the human space and all the things. There's
a ton of tech stuff behind the scenes too that's
always happening and always changing. And discord has been a
nf effort for like the last probably three to five weeks.
(02:39:53):
It's it's had that problematic stuff. So hopefully they get
their stuff worked out. I don't know, like I'll look
into that and so if we can maybe do corrections
on our end. But anyway, anyway, you guys are the best.
Thanks for hanging out, Thanks for being part of this.
And look, yes, am I passionate about some of the
things I talk about in terms of doom. Yeah, you
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bet your ass. You bet your ass, Like there are
a few things that trigger me, like some a hole
it's like, oh, you only have one hundred and sixteen
days to live or not or be saved. And then
put it up there and it gets tons of traction,
tons of people talking about it, tons of Look I
get stoking a conversation. It is literally what I do. However,
(02:40:35):
if you leave from this conversation tonight or wherever you're listening,
if you're listening ten years from now on the podcast
feed Hello the Future, and you leave with a pit
in your stomach that the end is nigh. I'm doing
this wrong, and you're doing this wrong. You see, pay
attention to the people that you were drawn to, and
pay attention to the actual space they want your mind
(02:40:59):
and that in your stomach to be. It's a lot
of them. It's a lot of them. And that's why
I get mad about that stuff and why I don't
typically go after people directly, because I think it's Jerry
Springer stuff. But sometimes when you're so egregious that you
become herald camping and the doom is the doom. Yeah,
(02:41:24):
you bet you're as you're going to piss me off.
My blood is boiling, but check it out. I'm still
cool and chill. It can be a superpower. Shout out
North Vixen over there. I see you didn't say hi tonight, unrubble. Look,
sometimes life can be very simple, and in terms of propaganda,
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in terms of making your blood boil, think about the
things that make that happen, and then ask yourself, why
are you listening to the same old jerks that want
to get you hyped up about some nonsense. They want
to leave out some important details about a particular story
(02:42:07):
and make you mad. Yeah, there's a lot of those
out there. As matter of fact, most of the talking
heads on the interwebs are kind of like that. But
there are jammals, there are human spaces, There are ideas
outside of that paradigm that recognize we're all in this together.
We don't have to dehumanize people to hate them. That's it.
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about the nature of reality itself. And just because some
a hole on the interweb says the end is nigh,
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it doesn't mean you'd have to believe in that's it.
This one goes out to that a hole out there
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