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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Truckin'
with Tammy, the podcast where we
navigate the highways andbyways of the trucking industry.
I'm your host, tammy, and todaywe are talking about a topic
that is my hot button.
Are CDL training schoolsovercharging for the instruction
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they provide?
I say yes.
So let's buckle up and dive in.
So, first off, let's set thescene.
Did you know?
The average cost of CDLtraining can range anywhere from
$3,000 to $7, dollars, withsome schools charging up to ten
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thousand dollars or more.
What are you getting for thatprice?
Is the quality of thatinstruction and the return of
your investment worth it?
I've talked to students, I'vetalked to instructors, I've
talked to industry experts, andthey all say basically the same
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thing.
So I talked to a student driverthat said they paid about
$5,000 for their course, butthey were rushed.
They went in, they did theclassroom, they spent a lot of
time on the classroom, but whenit came to the actual driving,
he said they were just checkingoff boxes.
So they give them the sheet,right, it lists all the things
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that they are supposed to learn.
You know, stop signs,stoplights, making a left turn,
making a right turn and theyjust check off those boxes as
they go and you do it once, oneand done Later, gator, and
that's a common sentiment thatI've heard you know.
So what exactly should beincluded in these comprehensive
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CDL training programs?
All right, according to experts, a well-rounded CDL training
program should cover classroominstruction.
Of course you got to learnregulations, the green book,
safety, road rules and extensivebehind the wheel experience,
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which most people don't get.
But why does the price seem toballoon, right?
So if you are also getting yourhazmat or tanker, there's
extended price for that as well.
New trucks more price.
They're not doing a whole lotof manual training anymore.
Most of it's automatic.
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So high price doesn't alwaystranslate to better training,
right?
So high price doesn't alwaystranslate to better training,
right?
So what are the requirements ofthe classroom and behind the
wheel experience according tofederal requirements?
Okay, so in the classroomyou're supposed to learn basic
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operation, safe operatingprocedures.
Basic operation, safe operatingprocedures, advanced operating
procedures, vehicle systemsreporting.
You know your DVIR, your hoursof service requirements, driver
qualification requirements,driver wellness.
You know they're supposed tocover how to handle if you're
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sick on the road, things likethat Whistleblower protection,
which is crazy.
I guess they're worried aboutall the coercion going on, all
this classroom stuff.
You're supposed to score 80% onthe classroom part of it in
order to pass.
Okay.
Then we have what's calledbehind the wheel training.
That behind the wheel trainingis broke down into three
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sections your pre trip you haveto learn that truck and trailer
front to back, all the parts,whether it's been broken, you
know leaking air, et cetera.
You got to learn basic vehiclecontrol skills.
You got to learn how to driveit and then you got to take it
out on the road.
And you got to drive it tolearn how to drive it, and then
you got to take it out on theroad and you got to drive it.
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The problem is there is nospecific federal mandate on the
number of hours required forbehind the wheel training.
Oh, we're going to charge you$7,000 and give you three hours.
True story I had a femalestudent who finished her CDL
training, came out for her firstjob as a CDL driver.
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She had three hours behind thewheel with her training company.
Okay, equipment Training issupposed to be conducted in the
same class of vehicle.
The student will be tested onfor their CDL.
If you want to drive a, manualtraining must be tested on for
their CDL If you want to drive amanual, training must be in a
vehicle of manual transmission.
If you don't train in a manualtransmission truck at the school
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, you will get a restriction onyour license that you can only
operate manuals.
Then schools offer endorsements, right.
We have Hazmat, we have TANCR.
Those include additionaltraining, or they should.
I mean Hazmat, we all know itis a whole nother level, right.
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So that's what you have tolearn.
What does the training providerhave to provide?
You know what are theirrequirements to even be able to
offer their training services.
Well, they have to be on aregistry, right.
They have to fill out paperworkand show, meet whatever
requirements that the governmentis handing down for actual
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training providers right now.
Okay.
So, and then that trainingprovider, when you finish
everything, they have to issue acertificate to you that says
you finished the curriculumhours in theory and behind the
wheel, and you have a timelineto do that.
So once you start, you have tocomplete both of those with that
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training provider within oneyear, okay.
With that training providerwithin one year, okay, um.
So that's a lot.
No actual number of hoursbehind the wheel, though.
So you can pay 10,000 and havea couple, or you can pay 5,000
and have 20.
Um, so not having an actual setamount, a number of hours, is a
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serious issue in the trainingprogram.
Okay, so what kind of trainingprograms are out there?
I went to a community college,so most of the community
colleges offer a longer trainingprogram.
Um, your other CDL trainingschools are basically set up on
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a four week training.
Bear with me one moment.
I had to get my coffee.
I was getting a little drythere.
You notice I have a spoon in mycoffee.
Yeah, everybody likes to teaseme about that.
That is my coffee spoon.
I don't share it, it's my spoon.
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Everybody in the house knows toleave my spoon alone, right?
Okay, so community collegeversus other CDL training
programs?
Right, so the best trainingnormally comes from the school
that's going to focus on realworld scenarios, right, but the
problem is majority of these CDLtraining schools only are there
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to train you, just to pass theCDL test, so you're not fully
prepared when you're coming outin the real world.
They're not taking the time toprepare you.
I talked to prepare you.
I talked to, uh, many drivers.
I talked to a young lady acouple of years ago actually
called me crying um from a weighstation.
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She, uh, had went through CDLschool, she had went to a mega
carrier.
She got hired.
She had a trainer who was notme.
Um, she went out on her own,got called into a weigh station.
She was overweight on hertrailer, on her tandems, and she
didn't know how to slide thetandems.
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And the DOT officer told herthat if she could demonstrate
knowledge and she could slideher tandems and get her weight
correct, that he would let hergo.
So she called me crying fromthe road and I had to take this
panicked, freaked out, anxietyridden female and I had to walk
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her through how to slide hertandems.
She went through school, shewent through training with a kid
and still did not know anythingabout weight distribution and
sliding her tandems.
And that is a serious defect inour training and that is one
story of many.
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It's the value right.
So they're saying there's adomain for truck drivers.
So why is there such a gapbetween the cost and the quality
?
It's the business model ofthese CDL schools.
They are driver mills.
It's like a puppy mill fordrivers.
They are just taking in thishigh volume number of drivers
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doing the littlest that they cando to get them to pass the CDL
and sending them on their way.
They're promising job placementand then they're not placing
them in jobs.
You know they're.
They're making these highexpectations and then they're
not preparing these drivers forthe real trucking world.
And it's brutal out here.
I talked to a gentleman lastweek on one of my TikTok lives.
I talked to a gentleman lastweek on one of my TikTok lives
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and he had went to a CDL schoolrecently.
When he went he told them dueto his family situation, that he
had to have a local job.
There was no other alternativesfor him with his family
situation.
The school says, hey, we havejob placement and we have local
jobs.
We have job placement and wehave local jobs.
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So the guy put out over sevengrand for this training program
to turn around and not be placedor have options for local
drivings.
There were none and that.
That that's uh unbelievable tome.
It's like recruiting gone wrong.
I mean that's a lot of money tospend out and then not to be
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used.
I mean what?
You take that shiny new CDL andyou just throw it in a drawer
somewhere because you can't useit.
I mean who wants to spend$7,000 on something that they
can't use on something that theycan't use, you know.
And that's not to even talkabout the companies that offer
CDL training in exchange for awork commitment.
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So you know, I had anothergentleman who was on my life who
was working for a mega carrier.
They paid.
Now he didn't have anythingnegative to say, he just said he
paid a lot of money for his anduh or it costs.
He didn't have anythingnegative to say, he just said he
paid a lot of money for his andor it cost.
He didn't pay.
The company carrier that hewent to work for paid it, but he
was paying it back weekly outof his paychecks.
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And as long as he stayed withthe company a year they had some
kind of agreement where hedidn't have to pay full price.
But if he left them then withinthat year, then he had to pay
the full financial burden ofthat.
So what are our options forpaying these overly inflated
tuition One cash, I mean hardearned money.
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I mean I don't know a lot ofpeople that are looking for a
career change that has that muchmoney laying around.
To be honest, you know, I guessincome tax time is coming if
you're looking to spend somemoney, but most of the people
it's either tuition-basedprograms, so you can get grants,
scholarships.
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There was some work-relatedgrants through the states that
you could get if you weredisplaced.
A displaced workers grant anemployer tuition reimbursement,
which I just said.
If you're going to work forsome companies, they offer that
they will pay for you and thenyou either reimburse them or you
work it off with a contract, oryou work it off with a contract
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.
Um, and that that's themajority of it.
I mean that's a high price thatyou're going to be responsible
for.
So, um, yeah, the amount ofmoney that you're spending,
though, you want to make surethat it's worth it.
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So you're a potential truckdriver, right, and you are
thinking about getting your CDL,and the first step that you're
going to do is look for atraining school, which you have
to take, by the way.
So a couple of years ago, theypassed a ruling that you can no
longer just borrow a truck orget in a farm truck and go take
the test on your own.
You don't have the optionanymore.
You have to go through atraining program.
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You have to pay a drivingschool for your training.
So how do you make an informeddecision.
Oh, social media is a wonderfulthing.
The first thing you're going towant to do is a lot of research,
right?
So you're going to want to lookfor the school accreditation.
You're going to want to lookfor reviews, and there are so
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many resources out.
There's groups on Facebook.
Everybody wants to put theirexperience somewhere right.
Facebook Everybody wants to puttheir experience somewhere
right.
Look, search, pay attention,read.
You want to know what theirpass rate is.
Nobody wants to pay that muchmoney for a training program
that they're not going to passand, trust me, it happens a lot.
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I have a very good friend ofmine who struggled in the
beginning getting her CDL andand she went to not one, not two
, but three different programsbefore she finally got enough
training behind the wheel thatshe was able to pass, and she's
a great driver now.
She is an amazing driver, butshe needed more than three hours
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behind the wheel to do her jobright.
Also, some schools go checkthem out.
Drive over, see if they'll letyou hang out in the classroom,
see if they'll let you go out onthe lot and see how the
instructors are teaching.
You want to know how many hoursyou're going to get you.
You want to know how long theprogram's going to take.
You want to know how much ofthat's going to be focused on
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you.
Um, especially the behind thewheel stuff.
Do Do you how many people arein the truck with you?
So when you go out, generallyyou have you, you have the
instructor and there's going tobe a couple other students right
and you all have to divide thattime up between you.
So you want to know, with allthe behind the wheel, how many
people that has to be divided upbetween.
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Okay, you're also going to wantto look at financial aid and
what your particular situationis and how you are going to pay
for your schooling.
Are you going with someonewho's going to pay for it and
you're going to dedicate a yearand reimburse it?
Is there a program in your areathat's going to pay for it?
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Is there a program in your areathat's going to pay for it?
Do you have a community collegeprogram that you're going to
look at?
Right, future employment Futureemployment's a big deal.
There are only certain companiesthat will take a new driver
with zero experience.
Know that.
Know what you have to do.
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Dreams of local jobs right outthe gate aren't always feasible,
not in every area.
A lot of areas you have to goout and do three months, six
months, nine months or a yearover the road to get your
experience before you can moveon to the next step.
Okay, so experience is reallyimportant out here.
Step Okay, so experience isreally important out here.
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So after all my rambling andtalking about these CDL schools
and what you can expect ifyou're considering CDL school,
again, I cannot emphasize howimportant research is.
Look beyond the price tag.
It's not all schools are thesame Success rate, other driver
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experiences, job placement,scholarships anything that's
available that'll keep thefinancial burden important.
If a school is charging apremium rate, are they providing
competent practical training?
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Are they going to prepare youfor all road conditions or are
they just driver milling you?
Are they just pushing youthrough the system and they
don't care if you're going tomake it or not, as long as you
pay the money right?
Remember, your journey intrucking is going to be a long
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one and in the beginning it's anexpensive one.
It's really important that youchoose wisely where you're going
to start.
Okay, any questions you canreach out If you have insights,
if you have an experience thatyou want to share.
We all know how much I loveexperiences.
You can reach out to me.
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Tammy, you can find me.
Uh, stay tuned for moreepisodes where we'll continue to
explore the ins and outs of thetrucking world.
Thanks for listening to thisextended discussion and I'll see
you next week on trucking withTammy.