Halloween: Weird Laws & Scary Happenings at Haunted Attractions

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Hey, everyone.
Today we are going to havesome crazy discussions about weird
Halloween rules and laws,along with some strange and horrible
events that have taken placeat haunted house attractions.

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Hello, everyone.
It is spooky month, and wecouldn't be more excited.
This is our time.
We're ready.
We've been waiting all year.
We have.
Well, today we are going to bechatting about some strange Halloween
laws along with some horriblesituations that have happened during
spooky season.
One thing that I feel likecomes up in my head every time around

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spooky season is haunted houses.
Right.
Have you ever been reallyleery of weapons at a haunted house?
Like, is that a fear that youalso have?
Not a fear, but, like a thought.
So when we're talking hauntedhouses, by the way, we're talking
about the haunted houseattractions, not like actual haunted
houses.
Yes.
My biggest concern withhaunted houses is that they are staffed

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by real people, and sometimesreal people are real fcked up.
Yes.
So I'm easily startled.
Whatever.
That's a thing.
But in addition, there is thispart in my head that's like, but
what if?
Right?
Yes.
Because if you did want tohurt people, it would make sense
that you would be in a placewhere people would be like, oh, you're
spooky.
And then you stab them.

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They're like, oh, wait a minute.
You know, like, mm.
Well, with some of the thingsthat we're gonna talk about today,
if you listener have that samethought or fear, it may make it worse.
Like, we're sorry, but we'realso not sorry because I just feel
like we found more than wethought we were going to.
We were like, this'll be acute little part of our episode.
We say cute.
An interesting part of our episode.

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And then we were like, oh,this is the episode.
The episode is the horrors ofhaunted attractions for realsies.
Yes.
Yes.
We didn't expect this, but it.
It turned into a thing.
So the first part will be kindof just silly for the most part.
There are a lot of weirdHalloween laws that we stumbled into

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this week.
I haven't really considered itbecause here there's not really much
around it.
It's like go trick or treatingwhen you feel like it.
Like if the light's off, don'tbother anyone.
That's the extent.
I don't know if it's like thatin Maryland as well.
It's just never occurred to methat there could be Halloween laws.
Like I was like, why?
For why?
Like some of them kind of make sense.

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Ish.
But it's like, why did youneed to make this a law?
Couldn't we have just madethis like a practice as opposed to
passing a bill, if you will?
Yes, yes.
So there's a few that westumbled upon that we just wanted
to share.
So in Belleville, Illinois,it's illegal for kids who are in
grade nine or above toparticipate in trick or treating.

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It specifically says it'sunlawful to make tricks.
Trick or treat visitationsunless you're a student in the eighth
grade or under.
For what?
For what?
Like God forbid an adolescenthave some fucking whimsy.
Yeah.
Just want some free candy.
Who cares?
Yeah.
If you are a grown ass adultand you're trick or treating.

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Okay.
Like I'll give anybody candythat day.
You know what I mean?
I will too.
Yeah.
I don't know.
That just feels.
It has like real get off mylawn energy.
It really does.
But yeah, so.
So if you're.
Or like I imagine like kidsthat are too like, that are a lot
taller or you know, like, yes,a little more grown up, like getting
hassled.

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I think that that's just theinteresting wrinkle that sometimes
you have to consider that whenyou make prohibitive laws that make
assumptions on people based onwhat they look like.
Like a kid looking like a highschooler when they're a kid, you
know, or other equivalents.
You're acting as though likethe person who is making the determination
in that moment is like, ah,this is an eighth grader.

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Like what children have tocarry their student IDs and be like,
I go to so and so middle.
You shouldn't have to do that.
Like you shouldn't have togive your name and, and like grade.
Also you shouldn't have togive your name and grade to get candy
on Halloween.
But also if someone startsasking your child a lot of personal
questions about themselveswhen you're trying to just trick
or treat, that's a red flag.

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So it's like it doesn't evenmake any sense.
It's more what I feel likeit's a law where it's like, I hope
they're not enforcing thatbecause could you imagine Like a
ninth grader getting like acitation because they went trick
or treating.
Like, get the fuck away from me.
Get away from me on that.
Like, ridiculous.
It's so weird.
Yeah.
So there's also a specifiedtrick or treat time and it's from

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5 to 8:30 to quote, limit such solicitations.
Oh my gosh.
Turn the porch light off, baby.
I've never heard trick ortreating like sounding so official.
It's like someone was like,you can trick or treat, but we will
be removing all of the funfrom it.
And again, could you imagineit's like 8:31.

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Yeah, exactly.
What, are you gonna arrest thesix year old?
Yeah, like, don't you darebegin doing that.
No, it's just.
That's silly.
Turn your porch light off ifyou don't want people to come to
your door.
Most people understand thatthat means there's no candy here.
Yes, yes.
And now the ordinance is under 13019.
Halloween solicitation is whatit's called.

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I'm sorry, that sounds like first.
Okay, I'm sorry, I'm going topause you right there.
Because when you think ofsolicitation, typically what goes
into your mind should be sex work.
Right.
Like that is often the waythat it's given.
So that just makes it soundlike Halloween sex work.
Which, like, I also think thatthe way that we criminalize sex work
doesn't really make anyfudgeing sense.
But either way, all that tosay is that Halloween solicitation

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does sound like trick or treating.
Like please, please don't makethis sound like an adult phrase.
Like you just don't need, youdon't need to.
No, no, it's.
It's weird.
Yeah.
Do they have to like submit aformal stamped request and apply
for the candy so they can geta fun.
Siiz Snickers, you know, likea hunting license.
Yeah, you need a trick ortreating license.
Yeah.

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Here in Maryland we used tohave it so that like you had a vertical
ID if you were underage andthen you had a horizontal ID if you
were 21 or over.
I could be getting thesebackwards, I don't know.
But like, all I can imagine isthat like when they turn a certain
age, they like, they, they geta new student ID and it's like, oh,
you know, it's in black and white.
There's no pumpkins on it anymore.

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Yeah, there's no.
They like.
No, they have what actually,what they have in there.
There's an ink on their childregistration card because that's
what this place would includebecause it requires it that lasts
approximately like 13 years sothat once they're it like fades so
they no longer have trick ortreat privileges.

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Ah, okay.
Ridiculous.
Ridiculous.
Now another interesting noteis that we also saw that it was unlawful
for a person over 12 to wearany mask or disguise without permission
of the mayor or chief ofpolice on days other than Halloween.
And so I feel like that'sactually something that we're seeing
that's more often than not isplaces where you full on cannot wear

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a mask.
And sometimes that evenincludes like ones for health purposes.
Well, what I'm thinking islike, okay, so obviously you probably
shouldn't be wearing a mask,like a full on, like Halloween mask
to the grocery store.
Right?
But like, what about themedparties or like people that go to
football games and they wearall the crazy stuff.
Do you have to be like, I'mgoing to be the mascot for this,

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like high school football?
Oh yeah, Mr. Mayor, Ms. Mayor.
Oh yeah, I.
Please get permission to wearmy mask tonight, please.
That didn't even occur to me, the.
Red tape to go through it.
Yeah, there's a lot of mask things.
Things.
And there's like birthdayparties where you can hire like Minnie
Mouse.
Oh, you're totally right.
Yeah.
I wonder if they have like, ifthey would eventually figure out

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like a.
They might not like deem thatas a mask.
But like, I love that you wentto wholesome places.
My brain did not go towholesome places.
And I was like, if a personwants to wear a mask in their own
home, like get away from me,like just like let people live.
I get it.
You don't want people walkingaround stores with a mask on.
That's a weird vibe.
Also, if I'm like going onlike a casual little walk around

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my neighborhood, do I want tosee someone with.
In like the clown mask?
Yeah, yeah, like in a, in ascary clown mask.
No, I don't.
But also, I don't know, I justfeel like there's some things that
we just like dictate associetal norms.
You know, hey, we're not goingto wear masks all around because
that's suspicious.
It's suspicious to wear a maskin the middle of April when you're

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not going to a party.
If you're just walking downthe street, that's a weird thing
to do.
Also, what if you're trying onmasks at the Halloween store?
Can you do that?
Is that allowed?
Are you allowed to put it on?
I would write to the mayor, you.
Have like a Permission slip.
You bring it to Spirit.
Like, I got it stamped.
Yeah.
What if you work at Spirit?
You can't.

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Yeah.
Or honestly.
Halloween adventure.
Did you guys have Halloweenadventures near you?
No, I don't think so.
That was another chain thatused to exist.
There's only one in New YorkCity now, but, like, that's where
my brother and his wife met,by the way, Was.
They both worked there, whichI think is really cute.
But it.
We could spend the next 20minutes just being like, here are
reasons why you might bewearing a mask.
Why it would, like, make sensefor you to be doing that.

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What if you're fencing?
Yeah.
Can you fence?
Can you not fence in that area?
I don't think without mayor permission.
Also, I just love the ideathat my brain went to fencing.
Like I've ever done that, you know?
Or.
Sorry.
Chief of Police.
Chief of police.
Yeah, yeah.
Don't get it twisted, Amanda.
You don't want to get yourapplication wrong.
You got to have a license totrick or treat.
You know how much longer itwould take for me to be able to wear

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my mask if I sent it to thewrong person?
I took a sip of my tea.
It was a mistake.
I almost, like, spit at my computer.
I just want to know if I was aperson who lived in this jurisdiction
and these were the type oflaws that were getting passed, I
would be so fucking annoyedbecause at any given moment, like,
there is actual real shit thatshould be, like, being reviewed by

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our government.
And when we're dictating,like, hey, if you're in eighth grade,
you can't.
Trick or treat.
Get the fuck away from me.
Just, like, kindly get thefuck away from me.
Yes, yes.
Also, it was passed in 2008.
This isn't like an old law.
Like, this isn't just, like,old, funny, duddy, fucking people.
This was in the 2000s.

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Like, I just.
I had to send her the link toit again because I was like, just.
Just look at it the way it's written.
Even it's so official.
And you're like, can we.
Can we not?
Oh, and they also.
They're like, hey, even ifyou're homeschooled, you, like, the
grade counts.
I like.
They were like, no, we don'twant any of these old homeschool
kids going through the loophole.
But just.
Yeah, so get permission.

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If you live in this area.
I want to see these requests.
Like, how do you ask for the request?
I need to know if you live there.
Let me know.
I just need you to know, like,okay, I'm not going to go through
all these.
But when I googled weird lawsin Belleville, Illinois, some of
the things that popped up.
Again, we're not going to factcheck it because this is happening
truly, mid episode.

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But you're.
Now I can't even say it.
You're not.
It's illegal to allow your petto smoke.
Well, what is my dog gonna do now?
She's a chain smoker.
Yeah, like, she's.
Like, she's stressed.
What's she gonna do after ahard day?
It's also illegal to possessaquatic life whose value exceeds

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$600.
Okay.
I mean, I understand peopleget weird animals and they shouldn't
have them.
So maybe that's like, the wayto stop that.
Yeah, because it's, like, expensive.
But the next line is, whichhas led to the misconception that
it's illegal to own more than$600 worth of salamanders.

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Well, what am I gonna do withmy life now?
That is specific.
$600 worth of salamanders.
And then apparently it's also.
This is just.
In Illinois, generally, it'sillegal to make faces at dogs.

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I am legitimately crying.
I can't.
I can't.
Oh, the dogs got really upset.
Okay.
I am truly just, like, weepingat the idea of this.
You also can't remove the ideaof homing pigeons.
You have.
You have to have a permit fora garage sale.
It's $5 to get that permit.

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Oh, no, you can't.
In another jurisdiction,Illinois, you can't sing or whistle
in the streets after 10pm Fair.
That's creepy.
I mean, I don't disagree, butit's like, that's the most important
thing.
Ma', am, what were youarrested for tonight?

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I whistled past the music curfew.
Like, all that.
This.
This all has the mayor in thetown and footloose energy, doesn't
it?
Yeah, I.
The idea that, like, there'stimes when we're like, this is annoying.
Why is our government, like,policing this thing?
Right.
But it's like you're tellingme this is the.
Like, these are the important issues.

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I can't get.
Get away.
Amazing.
But you can have $600 worth ofsalamanders, so that's good.
Yeah.
Okay.
Oh, no.
What if you buy $550 worth ofsalamanders and they reproduce and
then it's over $600 of salamanders.
Well, so.
And that's the interestingnote is because you can have over
$600 worth of things.
So say, for example, you hadinsert Expensive animal that even

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doesn't even.
Okay.
It's aquatic, by the way.
It's aquatic specificallybecause I was like.
Yeah, they don't like aquaticanimals there.
Well, because at first I waslike, okay, a lot of, like, breeder
dogs, they are more than $600,which is wild to me.
Shouldn't they be focusing on that?
I feel like that's more important.
Yeah, like, maybe you don'thave puppy mills, but like, yeah,
I guess.
Is aquatic life relatively cheap?

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Typically?
Say you have some, like, veryrare squid in your house, right?
And you're like, you want tobreed rare squids?
If your squid gets pregnantand has babies, right.
Say your $500 squid has babies.
$500 babies.
How long can you keep those500 babies in the house?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Maybe you have to turn them over.

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You have to turn them over tothe mayor.
They get confiscated.
You're a baby.
The mayor's obsessed withaquatic animals, and that's their
way of getting the.
He's actually.
They're like a black marketexotic aquatic animal dealer.
And that's how they get them on.
They sell them on whatnot.

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They're gonna make a.
The boo boo loss.
They can confiscate those next.
Amazing.
Okay, so overall, Illinois isnot the place to celebrate Halloween
or have a lot of aquaticanimals, it seems.
But you can have a lot ofsalamanders, you know, like, that's
okay.
So a few years ago inChesapeake, Virginia, they actually

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went viral for banning anyonewho was older than 12 years old from
trick or treating.
Now, that original ordinancewas passed in 1970, and it was like,
extra harsh because if youwere too old to trick or treat, it's
like, okay, I could seegetting like a.
A citation, right?
Or like, maybe even a fine.
But again, we're talking aboutfucking typically children.

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But, like, it was punishableby up to six months in jail.
And, like, can you imagine?
Like, what are you in for?
Trick or treating as olderthan 12.
Are you fudgeing?
Kidding me?
Like, I'm gonna send you tojail because you trick or treated.
Get away from me.
That's my phrase for today isget away from me.
So fortunately, it was not enforced.
Really?

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Now in 2019, they were like,okay, we're going to be a little
bit more easy breezy.
They raised the trick ortreating age limit to 14.
And if you're over the age of14, the ordinance states, if any
person over the age of 14years shall engage in the activity
commonly known as trick ortreat, he or she shall be guilty
of a Class 4 misdemeanor.

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When someone does a backgroundcheck and they're like, hey, things
came up.
Juvenile stuff.
Might not.
But what if you're 18 and youwent trick or treating?
You're.
Oh yeah.
Or also like, what if you'relike applying to colleges and, or
like applying for a job?
I don't know how that'll.
I'm honestly, I don't know howlike juvenile criminal offenses work.

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But like, for real, we'regonna treat that as a misdemeanor.
Now you can be older than 14and accompany a child to trick or
treat and then don't.
They're a little bit morestrict on the time here though, because
you have to fucking wrap upthat trick or treating by 8pm or

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you guessed it, class four misdemeanor.
Like what?
So you're telling me like a six.
Year old again who's like 801comes up in their little like princess
costume, like ding dong, andthey go to the wrong house and they
got like a fucking cop thereand they're like, little kid, you've
got a fucking misdemeanor.

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Obviously that's not how that works.
We know that.
But like the idea that you'regoing to give a misdemeanor to like
a 10 year old because theywent trick or treating after 8pm,
like what?
I thought of two things as, asyou said it.
One, because the way that wewrote it, the, you guessed it, class
four misdemeanor, all Ithought of is parks of rec where
he's like, straight to jail.

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Straight to jail.
Yeah.
That kind of feels like again,sometimes you can just tell that
somebody got like a little bitannoyed and then just went too fucking
hard.
Right?
Like they were just like, itwas like, you didn't have to go,
like, you're telling me againthat this is the, the thing that
deserves the governmentattention in Chesapeake, Virginia,
how old people are whenthey're trick or treating.

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Yes.
But I also in my mind thoughtof them filming an episode of Cops.
Oh my God.
They're like, tonight whatwe're doing is we're looking for
late night trick or treaters.
Amazing.
10 out of 10.
10 out of 10.
And then it also in Virginia,for that 12 and under age, it's still
12 and under.
For Newport News, Virginia and Portsmouth.

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Are you fucking kidding me?
That's just wild.
That's just fucking wild.
It's so silly.
I just can't imagine though,like, yeah, you, it's like a setup
you know, like when they catch.
To catch a predator.
To catch a trick or treater.
I cannot.
I cannot.
They like a really beautifullydecorated house.

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The door is open.
You can see that there's likea candy bowl with a bowl with like
bull sized candy bars.
There's like a kind lookingperson at the door, beckoning them
forward.
We got that spider man.
And the fucking SWAT comes in.
Oh, yes.
That's how it is in my head.
Oh, my gosh.

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Okay, so moving on.
In the Los Angeles municipalcode, there's an ordinance that prohibits
anyone to possess, use, orsell silly string from 12am on October
31st to noon on November 1st.
And if you violate this, youcould receive a $1,000 fine, and
obviously your silly stringwould be confiscated.

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Not again.
What a goofy.
Not again.
What a.
Like, what a fun evidence room.
It's just like, like cans of.
Cans of silly string.
So this ordinance passed in2004, and apparently there's like,
environmental concerns as wellfor this.
And part of the reason thatthey actually passes was because
it was causing thousands ofdollars in property damage because

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it was coding cars and thelittle stars in the Hollywood walk
of Fame.
Like, it was going on thoseand it was like, causing damage to
it.
So I'm like, okay, I canunderstand that.
I've also just like.
I guess I've never seensomeone just go fucking wild with
silly string.
Like, outside of like a sillylittle goof to like, someone who
I know.
And you, like, spray it onthem and everyone's fine and everyone

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laughs and then it's thrownaway and it's like, no worries.
I haven't seen, like, mischief afoot.
But I'm also like, if yourmischief is that intense where you're
damaging property, I'msurprised that your medium is silly
string.
Yeah, right, right.
And also, like, I would justimagine that if you're doing that,
vandalism is vandalism.
So, like, if you are doingsomething with the intention of causing

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damage to that property.
Interesting.
I don't know Los Angelesvandalism ordinances.
But, like, it's justinteresting that they're like, you
could walk around with paint.
You could walk around withlike a chisel, right.
A baseball bat to knock, likewindows out.
But silly strings are.
We draw the line.

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Yes, yes.
And then additionally, in theearly 2000s, police said that Hollywood
property owners had a 200, 000cleanup plus recovery cost after
Halloween.
So people were like, sprayingthat much sill string.
So apparently they had like asilly string problem.
Like, I can, like, it's Hilarious.

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It's hilarious.
But I'm also like, like, man,like, I. I would never even consider
that.
Like, at least this one,there's, like, an actual reason that
it was, like, causing damage.
It wasn't just, like, we don'tlike fun, and we think you better
grow up.
Get a away from me here.
It's like, hey, you'recausing, like, a lot of damage and
it's expensive.
Could you not please stop?
Yeah.
Like, yeah, please not.

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But, like, versus, you know,again, I refuse to give my candy
to a teenager.
And don't knock on my doorafter 8pm Straight to jail.
Because, like, theoretically,generally, you can knock on anyone's
door at any time.
I mean, some of it's going tobe weird.
Yeah.
Like.
Like, if you trick or treat inJanuary, I'm going to look at you
a little funny.
But I will go get you candy ifI have it.

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Yeah.
Candy crackers.
Something that you have.
Something.
Something packaged, you know, fair.
Fair.
I always keep a nice, hard candy.
I have Werther's in my fridgeBecause I'm 95 years old.
I do.
I do have a nice, coolWerther's in my fridge.
Uh, but if you want to hearabout cold Werther's head to the
end of the episode again withall types of weird stuff.
Now another one.
It doesn't quite fit in here,but I read it and I, like, cackled.

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Perfect.
Thought of this.
There's a video, too, but aweird Halloween arrest.
So we found this Halloweenarrest while looking into the laws.
And in Portland, Maine, a mandressed as a tree was arrested after
blocking traffic in 2016.
And there's a video, and Idied watching it.
Amazing.
Amazing.

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I think it's interestingbecause it's like, honestly, that's
a pretty good fucking costume.
It is.
But just the thought of, like,you see them escorting this tree
out of the road.
Police say the man'smotivation was to, quote, see how
people would react and how itwould, quote, impact people's natural
choreography.

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Okay.
I read one article that said afriend of the man also said that
he was trying to study thecity's traffic patterns.
And what better way than to bea tree in the middle of the road?
I mean, I am a fan ofcuriosity generally.
Okay, man.
Like, you use that free will.
You make the decision.
I will say if you've ever beenat a Christmas tree lot and see where

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they've chopped off some ofthe branches and there's, like, a
pile of them to the side.
He is that pile.
Like, I wouldn't say that heis tree shaped.
I would say he's made of tree limbs.
And that's very differentbecause he is not a convincing tree.
Like, it's definitely.
It looks, to me, it lookedlike it was literally just like parts
of tree.
But we'll put it in our show notes.
Please watch it and tell us ifyou agree that he looks like a pile

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of tree as opposed to anactual tree.
I feel like if he would havejust like squatted down, he could
have been a bush.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I also, I just feellike if I saw a tree in the middle
of the road, I'd have some questions.
You know, I would be like, would.
It disrupt the traffic pattern?
It would, it would, would.

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It would disrupt my natural choreography.
I just feel like people aredancing in this town everywhere.
Yeah.
Or driving.
Right.
Because they're drive.
Dancing, I guess.
Yeah.
What a time.
Cars.
It's like Cars the movie.
He's the opposite of the mayorand Footloose, only dancing.

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Yes.
Gorgeous.
Perfect.
But I, I saw that.
I was just like, we have to.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
Nonsensical.
Okay.
And we're shifting to ourhaunted houses now, right?
Is that what's up next?
Okay, I'm excited.
Now we're gonna talk aboutactual creepy stuff.
We had to get the sillinessout of the way.
Yeah.
We got our little Halloween goofs.
So we're first going to talkabout a haunted house attraction
in Ohio.

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And it turned out to be apretty dangerous trip for one haunted
house goer.
So in Ohio, an actor decidedthat it would be a good idea to use
a real knife.
And that actor accidentallystabbed a child.
I just feel like maybe youdon't make the decision.
That's a bad decision.
Right?
Yeah.
Right.
And now let's talk about howit happened, because that.

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That seems very strange.
Yes.
So it happened a few years agoon September 18th of 2021.
And as an 11 year old boy, whowas almost a 12 year old boy, by
the way.
So this almost 12 year old boywas about to walk through the haunted
house and it was called SevenFloors of Hell.
Perfect.
When he encountered one of the actors.
I do have a very quick question.

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If you are going to have ahaunted house that is called Seven
Floors of Hell, it better beseven floors.
Like, don't walk me into seven rooms.
I would be like, well, thisbetter be like a big building.
Like, there better be sevenfloors in here.
Don't walk me into seven rooms.
When it's called Seven Floors.
Anywho, that's not related.
Go ahead.
So, all right, the boy'swalking, he encounters the actor,

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and now the actor walks up tohim holding a knife and is trying
to scare him.
Okay, that happens.
Yeah, that's why they're there.
And to paint the picture, itwas a bowie style knife.
So like, scary looking knife.
Well, the boy was not scaredand he said something along the lines
of, that's fake, I'm not scared.
So then the actor decided itwould be great to stab the ground
around him and drag the knife.

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Well, when he was doing so, hemissed and he missed the ground and
stabbed the little boy throughhis croc and cut his big toe on his
left foot.
They're like, you are going tobe scared now.
Yeah.
And how horrible is that?
Yeah, that.
That is pretty fucking bad.
It's also just kind of like ifyou are a person who is doing this
and you make the decision touse a real knife, I think that you're

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like a person who's like, ooh,I'm a scary looking person.
You shouldn't be a personwho's interacting with people.
Like, that's just a bad decision.
Yeah.
So the boy, luckily he wasokay, but he was taken immediately
to the first aid area and theydisinfected the cut, called his mom,
all that fun stuff.
The cut was about a third ofan inch long and they bandaged up
the toe, but he did refusefurther medical attention.

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So, like, it, it wasn't theworst, but like, still, you're getting
stabbed at a haunted house,that's not good.
So luckily it wasn't too bad.
And the mother and son endedup getting their tickets upgraded
and were able to continuethrough the rest of the haunted house.
So the rest of the sevenfloors of hell, which, like, okay,
a can do attitude, that doesmean that, like, it likely wasn't
so bad.
So the scare actor was 22 yearold Christopher Pogozowski and he

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was let go.
And the police department Lt.Tom Walker said that the actor was
charged with negligent assault.
The president of NightscreamEntertainment, Rodney Gifford, who
owns that haunted house,confirmed that it should have been
a safe attraction and thatthat was the actor's decision.
Right.
Like, that was like, theyweren't like, we, we let them decide
whether to use real or fake knives.
They were like, no, like, wedon't do that.

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And typically they do use propor rubber knives.
Again, a huge mistake.
Gaffert said that, quote, hewent to his car and did this on his
own free will.
And we don't tolerate or putup with that.
And Pokozowski, he was veryapologetic and he helped the boy
after, but it was stillobviously just a bad fucking decision
for what.
Yeah.
And so the officersconfiscated the knife.

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And the pick of it is like.
It's horrifying.
It's again, like, it's a scary knife.
It is scary.
Like, why?
But so at the time, thehaunted house had been at the fairgrounds
for 21 years, and they hadnever had an incident like this.
So this was clearly very abnormal.
And there are some differingoutcomes of what happens as a result
of this, depending on whicharticle you look at.

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But some synthesize thatmother pressed charges, while others
say that she decided not to.
And then some articles alsosay that she pressed for there to
be more safety practices reviewed.
And we looked through theCuyahoga county court records to
see if we could find anythingon Pogozelski's case, and we couldn't
find anything related to thisparticular incident, which, like,
holy fuck, though.

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Yikes.
I can't even imagine.
Yeah.
Just going to a haunted houseand literally getting stabbed.
And we're.
We're going to talk,unfortunately, more about this.
Yeah, I mean, like, I thinkthat our concern is very valid that
the horrors in the hauntedhouse are the actual people, like,
who they are without the costume.
Yes.
So we're going to talk aboutan incident that happened in Nashville,

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Tennessee.
And on October 5th of 2018, agroup of co workers went to a haunt
called Nashville Nightmare.
And it was a super popularhaunted house.
And after they finished goingthrough the haunted house, they were
playing some carnival style games.
And a woman named TanyaGreenfield was approached by someone
who she thought worked at the attraction.
It looked like a person thatworked there.

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And so they interact with this person.
The person came up and askedher if one of her male friends was
messing with her or bothering her.
We've seen both.
And her thinking it was a jokeplayed along, and she's like, yes,
yes, they are, you know, likemessing around with.
They're goofing, they'rehaving a good time.
So then this person whoapproached her handed her a knife,

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which she thought was a propand said, well, here, stab him.
You see where this is going?
Because she thought it was ajoke, she took the knife and stabbed
her friend James, he goes by JYocum, while laughing and saying,
gotcha.
Well, it wasn't a prop knife.
It was real.
And his arm began gushing blood.

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I bet it did.
Could you Imagine.
Oh my gosh.
I feel like I.
Like you would feel it, but Iguess like some props look so real
and feel.
I just don't understand.
I have never held a prop knifethat wasn't light as.
Like, I've never held a propknife that felt like an actual knife.
They've even like really goodones, the ones that retract, they're
hollow.
Like, that's how it actually works.

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That's why it's lighter.
It's also possible thatthey're having a good time.
Maybe they weren't completelysober or like she was caught up in
the moment and didn't consider it.
But like, huh, yeah, terrifying.
So she had stabbed her friendin the forearm.
An ambulance had to be calledand the person who approached the
group ran away.
After the incident, Jay needednine stitches, but ultimately was
fine.

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And he said after, you know,the whole incident, he said that
he heard the person who gavethe knife to Tanya say that they
didn't realize the knife wasthat sharp and panicked, saying,
I didn't know.
I'm sorry, before running.
In a statement from NashvilleNightmare, they discussed the safety
and the safety measures takenthere, including that there's a metal
detector when entering, whichI thought was interesting.

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Like, how the fuck did thesnipe get in there then?
They also said that theybelieve that it was an employee that
was involved in some way andthat they had been placed on leave
at the time of the statement.
Oh.
Because it was ruled anaccidental stabbing.
Metro Police were not doing afurther investigation.
However, a personal injurylawyer in Nashville, Jeff Roberts,

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said that the victim had astrong case for compensation.
We looked for some courtdocuments related to this and saw
that there were two cases, oneagainst Nashville Nightmare LLC and
another to 13th FloorEntertainment Group.
But the records don't show.
It just shows that there wassome sort of payout.
Interesting.
So what we've talked about sofar is scary and shitty things that

(32:19):
have happened at hauntedhouses that perhaps were or were
not actually criminally charged.
But now we're going to shiftto talking about specific criminal
activity at haunted houses andthere is more than I thought that
we would find.
Yes.
So we're going to talk aboutsome trends, we'll talk about some
instances in a little bit ofdetail, and then we're going to get
into some of them in a bit more.

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So to start in 2019, a man wasarrested for leaving his five year
old daughter at a hauntedhouse attraction for over two hours.
That's so sad.
Right?
And per the arrest report, thegirl was pretty scared and had been
found by other parents.
So from what it seems like, itseems like she may have been left,
like in the actual hauntedhouse itself or like right near it

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where like, she was like,engaged in the scariness of it without
having a parent.
And I'm like, she was five.
That poor baby.
Yeah.
We also found over 20 separateinstances where employees of haunted
houses or the owners werearrested in relation to non consensual
sexual activities within thehaunted houses.

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Which I had never consideredthat, like, I had never considered
like that type of thing.
No, I just figured there'd belike cameras everywhere and people
like, you know, kind of like amovie theater in a sense, like.
Yeah.
Watching or, I don't know,making sure everyone's safe.
Weird.
You're there to.
To get like, scared, butyou're not there to get trauma, you
know.
So we're not going to get intothe cases themselves, but there are

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some trends that we noticed.
There was a significant amountof victims who were children.
That's sad.
And some of the arrests werebecause there were sex offenders
working at the haunted attractions.
So I do think that as you'reconsidering, like, whether a haunted
attraction is for you,consider how long it's been there.
I'd read reviews, especiallywhen it comes to this kind of stuff,

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and consider whether or notyou want to take kids there.
Because in some of thesituations, the range of horrors
that were happening in termsof sexual assault, it began at groping,
right?
So like, some people werelike, I was just groped and didn't
come forward until otherpeople did.
So, like, this would behappening for a long time.
And people were like, oh, itwas an accident.

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They didn't mean to do it.
And like, it was happeningmore often than it was actually being
reported, I believe.
And like, I can say that,like, I've been in haunted attractions
where I was like, touched in away that I.
That was not okay.
But I was like, oh, they justbumped into me.
It wasn't that I mistook this.
And I wonder how often that inparticular happens where people are

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touched inappropriately andthey're chalking it off to a mistake
when it is absolutely not.
Yeah.
Horrifying.
Horrifying.
So so far we've talked aboutterrible things happening because
of Scare actors mostly, butsometimes terrible things are happening
to them as well.
A drunk guest at the YND JC'shaunted house attacked employees
when he was asked to leave.

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And he hadn't even gotten intothe haunted house yet.
Oh, my gosh.
He had been Bothering otherpeople in line, and that's why he
was asked to leave.
He ended up attacking severalof the employees and punched one
of them in the face, causing abloody nose.
He was arrested and chargedwith assault and battery at the o'
Keefe Ranch Halloween Maze,which seems to be a field of screams.
Location, several of the scareactors were attacked with a crutch

(35:29):
by a guest.
Oh, no.
Then at Oklahoma's UltimateTerror's haunted house, Julio Abrola
Jimenez shoved his hands intoa scare actor's face and hit her
nose.
He also was charged withassault and battery.
Then in Utah, Angelo DimitriApadaca was arrested after he attacked
a scare actor at the nightNightmare on 13th street attraction.

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He walked up to the scaredactor and punched her in the face.
And he laughed as he walkedaway and was later overheard saying
that hitting her was funny.
Get.
Dude.
Oh, my gosh.
Yeah.
Apodaca was charged withaggravated assault, which is a third
degree felony.
Yeah, that's.
Yes.
Then in Pinellas County,Florida, Incus Shusser was arrested

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after he hit the owner of ahaunted house attraction in the eye
with a toy gun.
That sucks.
Right in the eye.
Yeah.
And at first you heed it like,oh, with a toy gun.
How bad could it be?
But it was bad enough, andbecause Amanda's gonna explain to
you why in a second.
So the owner was dressed as astatue, but was not a scare actor.
Now, Ingus hit him so hardwith the toy gun's handle that the

(36:35):
victim began to bleed underhis eye.
Afterwards, Ingus wasapologetic and simply said that he
thought the man was a statuewhile laughing.
But why are you hittinganything there?
I don't know.
That's silly.
So then Angus tried to fleefrom the attraction, but was stopped
by the owner, and he wasarrested soon after.
He was charged with aggravatedbattery and possession of a bulletproof

(36:57):
vest in the commission of a felony.
So, like, presumably thatmeans that he's wearing a bulletproof
vest at the time of this,like, instance.
But, like, what the fuck areyou doing?
He just knew he was going tobe a.
And like.
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, that.
That's very strange.
That's a weird one.
Yeah.
Now, this next one.
The incident itself is notfunny, but it's just so ridiculous

(37:19):
that it's kind of humorous howridiculous it is.
Well, yeah.
It's also like, the headlineof it is, like, what?
Yes.
Yeah.
This caught my attention right away.
The headline is, karate Expertbreaks Haunted House Ghost jaw.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So horrific for the personthat happened to but just the aftermath
is just.
You'll see why.
So this incident took place ina haunted house in Japan and ended

(37:42):
with.
A super weird lawsuit.
So I think we've all knownsomeone who just punches when they
get scared, right?
Like we talked about it in ourHammersmith episode two, where they
were trying to punch the ghostbecause they got scared.
And like, I don't know if you.
Have any friends that arelike, I.
Can'T go to haunted housesbecause I'll punch them accidentally.
I don't know.
That's the thing.

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People punch when they get scared.
Well, I also think, like, it'sfair to like, look, man, I don't
know the lives people have lived.
If when you feel attacked in astartled manner, you're like, oh,
I'm gonna punch.
There's times that I'm like,if you're startled because someone
walks into a room, you've gotta.
You gotta lock that down.
You can't start punchingpeople because they're walking into
rooms because you're easily startled.

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But like, yeah, you know, ifsomeone with a knife is coming at
you and your gut reaction isto punch them.
Okay.
Like that kind of makes sense.
Just maybe you don't go tohaunted houses just like Amanda said,
because you're like, yeah,this is not a good idea for me.
Yes, yes.
So in this particular hauntedhouse, a patron took it a bit further
than that.
In September of 2011, a groupof co workers visited the Toei Kiato

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studio park as part of acompany trip.
And just to note, because Iwas like, I don't know what this
is.
This place looks really interesting.
From our understanding, it'skind of like a Universal Studios
backlot tour.
A living history museum andSix Flags merged into one.
That's a lot.
But yeah, it's a lot.
It looks really cool.
And its theme is the Edoperiod Japan.

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Roughly like 1600s to mid 1800s.
Ish.
And it has a heavy focus onsamurai, ninja and historical drama.
Like, it's hard to imagine.
Okay, that's very specific.
But yeah, I like it.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
But the most exciting part forme is that it's run by Toei, one
of Japan's biggest filmstudios, who is also famous for Super

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Sentai, which is what thePower Rangers is an adaptation of,
and they use some of its footage.
Oh.
Amanda in her nerd version.
Like her different nerd version.
I like Power Rangers.
Who doesn't like Power Rangers?
Freaks.
I don't dislike Power Rangers.
But if someone was like, oh,this is the thing.

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It's based off of.
I go, oh, cool.
I wouldn't know.
Like, I wouldn't know what it was.
Fair, fair.
But they had, like, this.
I don't know if it's stillthere, but they had a whole thing
around all of the PowerRangers costumes over the years.
Like, they had kind of like alittle museum thing.
Okay.
I mean, that's cool to see,like, how it evolved.
Yeah, I thought it was cool.
I saw a few pictures as I waslooking it up.

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But anyways, so this group ofpeople, they're exploring the theme
park, and they decide to checkout the haunted house attraction.
Now, one of the members of thegroup was a karate Yudinsha, which
means that they are a blackbelt rank, which also has a dan rank.
Just have that in your head.
And they had been drinking as well.
Not a good combination.
Yeah.
And so he walked in and he'sholding one of the other members

(40:33):
of his group's hands.
And we weren't sure whether itwas affectionate or, like, to steady
themselves because they were nervous.
But either way, it does not help.
Right.
So as they walk through thehaunted attraction, a scare actor
dressed as a ghost approached them.
And as soon as they did, theunnamed karate pro kicked the park
employee in the face so hard,he broke his fucking jaw.

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That's fucking hard.
Yeah.
And so, not surprisingly, alawsuit followed, and the ghost was
seeking compensation.
And in 2015, a settlement wasreached where the karate expert had
paid them 10 million yen indamages, which is about 6,800 in
US dollars.
And it did not end there.
The man then decided to filehis own lawsuit against the theme

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park's managing company,saying that they were also responsible
for the incident and shouldhave a share of the financial burden
that he had to pay.
And his claims were the following.
One, there was no partition orphysical barrier between the ghosts
and the visitors.
The park didn't train itsemployees to avoid attacks from the
customers.
I cackled writing that becauseall I thought of is, like, I read
that in Dwight Schrute's voice.

(41:36):
Yeah, yeah.
Like, you should be ready atall times for an attack.
He stays ready.
Yeah.
He's always talking about howthe office isn't ready for attacks.
And like, what?
Yeah.
So then he also included thatthe park failed to adequately inform
customers that the hauntedhouse contained human workers who
acted as ghosts.
He thought they could be real ghosts.
Yeah.
It's like, do you think you'regoing to kick a real ghost in the

(41:57):
chawl?
But anyway, so he also allegedthe park shouldn't have even let
the karate expert into thehaunted house because he had been
drinking.
I do just want to point out,though, that in all of these things,
what I'm not hearing is aworkman's comp claim.
Because all of this, it feelsa bit of a stretch.
Obviously, I do not knowJapanese civil law, but in the us,

(42:19):
right?
Like, if you were hurt whileyou were doing your job and you're
not, like, fucking aroundsometimes, even if you're fucking
around, but if you get hurt asa result of your job, like, you can
get some compensation based on that.
And so I find it interestingthat's not a part of this, because
unless maybe he signed somewaiver that he would, like, be cool
with it.
But that's wild.
But I do think that last oneabout the drinking makes sense because,

(42:42):
yeah, you shouldn't letintoxicated people come in and attack
your employees.
Like, that's just bad.
But also, was he holding adrink in his hand?
Like, how are they to know?
That's fair.
Yeah.
Like, was he stumbling aroundor was that, like, after the fact
when his jaw was broken andeveryone was like, clearly very,
like, huh.
You could then kind of tellwhen the lights were on and stuff.
Can you tell then versus, youknow, someone you're stumbling through

(43:05):
a haunted attraction becauseit's kind of dark.
You don't know where you're going.
You're scared.
I could see how.
Yeah.
It's hard to tell if someone's drunk.
I think of, like, a themepark, like Disneyland, right?
They have drinks now.
You could get drinks at, like,California Adventure.
I wouldn't have been like, oh,that person's drunk.
They shouldn't go on this ride.
This one's fine, though.
You know, like, they're alljust waiting in line and, like, being
shuffled in that.

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It would be hard to tell if hewas acting appropriately.
So for Universal, theirHalloween horror nights, the last
time we were there, I, like, Iwill go to haunted attractions, but
I do not enjoy them.
I'm like, I've had enoughtrauma in my life.
I just don't want someone toscare me on accident.
I just don't want.
I don't, like, enjoy feelingscared by a stranger, you know?

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Like, that's just not fun for me.
Yeah.
But one of the things that Ithought was funny is that it really
helped me not be so scared.
Because every time there was ascare actor, there was a secure security
guard right across from them.
So I knew every time there wasgoing to be a scare actor.
Yeah, I like to go first WhenI go to haunted houses, because they're
always going to get the personwho's more scared.
Yes.
So when I go first and I justpoint behind me, I just walk around.

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Well, and also when you're ina group, whoever's first is always
doing that.
They're always pointing to thepeople behind them, pointing us out.
Disrespectful.
Go first.
So I think.
I think I have sometimes, butnot always.
Okay, so back to our poorghost's broken jaw.
In 2024, an Osaka districtcourt threw out the man's suit, which

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was for the park to take on 4point million yen of the 10 million
in damages.
Which is kind of crazy.
The man was not done yet, though.
He appealed and upped hisrequest for the park to now cover
7 million.
Okay, okay.
He's relentless.
A few months later, the highcourt ruled again in the park's favor

(44:51):
and said that there was noneed to fight back as the ghost was
not attacking customers.
Hmm.
Also, the kick went, quote,beyond the scope of reflexive action
taken out of sheer fear.
I mean, I think that that's fair.
It's also interesting thatwhen you're thinking of somebody
who is a trained fighter.
So, okay, you're a person whois not like, classically trained

(45:14):
to fight, right?
You punch someone in the face,they die.
You likely like, fck, right?
You probably weren't like,this could happen.
You're a person who is aheavily skilled fighter.
That's actually your job.
You punch someone in the face,they die.
There's a difference, right?
Like, there's a difference inthe expected outcome of that moment.

(45:34):
Right?
Like in one of thosesituations, you're like, I punched
them once.
I really did not think thatwould happen.
Right.
Like, we were fighting versus.
Yeah, you hit somebody as askilled person, right?
And I think that that's.
That really is like.
The difference here is thatthis wasn't just like a random person
kicking someone.
And also, if I was a scareactor, I would imagine, like, I would
generally be aware that peoplemight throw a punch, right?

(45:56):
Like just out of fright, butlike a kick, there's kind of like
no way to break that.
Because if it was hard enoughto break his jaw, I think if he,
like, tried to block with hishands, he may have ended up breaking
his arm.
Yeah, that's true.
That's.
If you're kicking that hard,you're kicking that hard.
But you wouldn't expect thatto happen.
Even if you're doing anotherday of work and you're like, I'm
just playing a ghost.

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And then they're like,actually, I'm gonna break your jaw.
Exactly.
So we've talked about some ofthe scary things going on at haunted
houses other than just thegeneral attractions themselves.
But let's just talk a littlebit about how to stay safe at them.
So before you go in, ask wherethe exits are or note them if they're
visible.
This is because not only,like, just generally, when you go
into a space, you should kindof have an idea of where the exits

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are because of, like, in caseof whatever.
But if something happens, youwant to be able to leave.
You don't want to have to gothrough the rest of the attraction
for sure.
Verify what the policies arebefore you go in.
Right.
Is there a no touching policy?
Okay.
If that's the case and someonedoes touch you, the next scare actor
you come into contact with, belike, I actually need to talk to
someone right now becausesomething's going on, and you.

(46:57):
You know this asap.
And then depending on theextent of the contact, you can either
leave the attraction.
Right.
Like, you can just leavebecause you already know the exit,
or talk to someone else andthen secure your belongings so you
don't lose any valuables.
Because if you drop your cellphone, like, that might be gone.
And if other scary things aregoing on, you want to make sure you
have it.
And look, it sounds boring, itis boring, but read the rules of
what.
Of, like, what can happenwhile you're in there.

(47:19):
And I would also just, like,consider, I don't know, do a cost
benefit analysis of the thingsthat could happen versus if you want
to go in there, I would saylook at reviews, see if you see anything
weird going on.
I'd also, you know, do youwant to necessarily spend three hours
researching every haunted attraction?
No.
But if it's a place where, youknow, people that, like, who have

(47:40):
gone there, I'd ask them about it.
Like, hey, like, does it seemlike they have a bunch of kids who
work there?
Or are these adults?
Because typically, like,places that hire children.
Right.
No worries.
Right?
Like, if a teenager wants toget a job somewhere, okay, great.
Love that for them.
But I would also just considerwho else they might be might be employing.
Right.
Like, I would think of that.
Because who knows who could bethere, you know?

(48:03):
Yeah.
But also, they can be greatfun if it is safe and if it's a good
place and if the people whoare creating the attraction are doing
so for you to have a goodexperience, not just to make money,
which it could Be both.
That's true.
But not just to make money.
Yeah.
And I mean a lot of these werelike just poor judgment at that moment.
A lot of these were.
I would say it was some of thesexual assault ones.

(48:25):
I would say not so muchbecause sometimes.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I mean like those weren'tjust like a one time thing for the
most part.
It was like it was happeningseveral times and sometimes it was
the owners of the attractions.
Yeah, that sucks.
But, but yeah, for the, theother situations, those were just
very bad decision makingskills there.
Yes, I guess everything is technically.

(48:47):
But anyways, so we want toknow, do you have any weird local
Halloween rules or laws?
Because now I'm like investedin this.
It's so strange to me.
Yeah.
Or do are your neighbors wherethey're like, no trick or treating
or like, does your HOA have arude ass law where you can't.
I say law.
A weird ass rule being like,you can't do this, you can't do that.

(49:08):
Because I would imagine thatthere's a lot of HOAs that have a
lot of opinions on Halloween generally.
Literally how you breathe.
Yeah.
But we want to know, and alsoif you have any crazy run ins or
like haunted house stories,tell us about it, all of it in our
bat bonfire.
We'd love to hear about it.
Yeah, always.
We always want to knoweverybody's stories.
Yes, yes.

(49:29):
It's also never too early tostart sending us your scary stories
for next year's podiversary episode.
That's true.
Never.
We also really, really, reallyneed to know what your Halloween
plans are and what you'regoing to be.
Because it's so exciting to me.
I love seeing everyone's costumes.
I mean, I think the mostimportant question is, what's Oliver
going to be this year?
Oh.
Because he's got like theweird ass things and now they've
got a 3D printer.

(49:49):
Like, oh, fuck, Amanda, you fucked.
Oh, fuck.
But yeah.
Does he know what he wants tobe yet?
Yeah, he's decided last weekhe wants to be a modern tv.
Like a flat screen.
Yep.
Okay.
Interesting.
Yep.
Because I was like, oh, a tv,no problem.
Like it's just a box.
No, it's not.
Theoretically.
Could he be the wall and thenyou mount a TV on him?

(50:11):
Kind of.
Yeah.
I'm trying to figure out thelogistics because last year he was
a computer and it got a littleheavy throughout the night because
it had computer parts in itbecause it actually like all the
parts ran.
Okay, here's my.
Here's My pitch, Get a TV box,cut out some arms and be like, go
nuts, kid.
Like, he's just a TV box.
That's it, Right.

(50:31):
I thought about that, but he's.
He won't fit in the TV box.
It's gonna have to be, like,on him.
So I'll have to make some sortof harness again that's comfortable.
Couldn't you do, like, asandwich board?
A what?
Like a.
Like a.
There's a front, and there's aback, and then there's straps on
the top.
Yeah, you could, but I alsoneed stuff.
I need it to be sturdy enoughso that I can make it light up or,
like, look like a screen.

(50:51):
The word need is verysubjective here.
Are you planning on dressingup my kid?
I don't know yet.
My.
I normally put so much into his.
Costume that I get, like, I. Irun out of time every year.
I'm like, oh, I'm gonna dothis after.
But, like, of course it's my kid.
And he's, like, the king ofHalloween costume contests.
Bizarre Halloween costumes, too.

(51:13):
Like, he was, like, abookshelf one year.
He was an Alexa.
Like, an actual Amazon Alexa.
Yeah, that one.
That one was a good one.
Um.
Yeah.
He wanted to be not just a computer.
He wanted to be his computerlast year.
Amazing.
I love it.
I'm so.
I. I. I'm always curiousabout, like, I'm like, well, what
does Ali want to be this year?
Because Amanda typically,like, he's like, I want to be this.

(51:33):
And she's like, heard.
And then she, like, rocks it.
She's like a Project Runway challenge.
She's like, got it.
I want it, like, heard.
Will do.
Yeah.
He was a.
What was it?
Was it two years ago or.
Yeah, two years ago.
He was a fridge.
Yeah.
And he needed it to open andhave contents and light up like a
normal bridge.
Damn.
But it was very cute becausethe dogs were chefs.

(51:56):
Okay.
I mean, 10 out of 10.
Adorable.
He's very excited.
We're hoping that potato iscleared for activity so that he could
go trick or treating too.
Oh, my gosh.
Okay.
So you could have one of thembe, like, a remote control and another
like a bowl of popcorn.
Yeah, I like that.
That's cute.
Yeah.
I need to figure it out.
I need to see.
I normally.
I'm already, like, halfwaydone with this.
Costume, and I haven't evenstarted yet.
Yet.
So we'll see.

(52:16):
Yeah, you've got some time.
What are you guys going to be?
So I'll never say what we arebefore the actual Halloween.
Because my brother has aHalloween costume contest at his
party each year.
Yeah.
But I think that a lot ofpeople this year are going to be
Gladys.
I think a lot of people aregoing to be Gladys this year.
I think a lot of kids aregoing to be the K Pop Demon hunters.
Oh, yeah, we're going to see alot of that.
I hope.
I see a lot of the tiger aswell on the magpie.

(52:39):
I mean, you could always be a tv.
I think I'm good on being a tv.
Maybe a fridge.
Perhaps an Alexa.
I do a bookshelf.
Yeah.
Although people were gettingreally weird with the bookshelf and
they're like, is he a onenight stand?
And I'm like, ew, he's a child.
Yeah.
I'm like, he's a fucking bookshelf.
Obviously.
Yeah.
Like, obviously he's a bookshelf.
You absolute fucking nightmare.

(52:59):
Like, why would you say that?
If he was an adult, it's onething, but, like, as a. I don't like
that.
Yeah, I don't like that.
It was weird.
Yeah.
Freaks.
So we want to know what you'regetting into for Halloween or also,
like, are there cool, spookyevents coming up?
Is it here?
Is it someplace else?
Please share them in the batbonfire and let everybody else know.
Like we.
Everybody wants to know allthe cool stuff happening in spooky

(53:21):
season.
So share them with us.
Or put it in the bat bonfire.
We'll pop it up in our.
If it's on, you know,Instagram, we'll pop it in our stories.
But if you put it in the batbonfire, like one.
Everybody wants to know.
But maybe you also make a coolnew spooky friend to go to school.
Spooky things with you.
Yes.
Yes.
If you're in another state,you know.
Yeah.
And if.
Especially if you dress up, wewant to see it.
And a million percent if yourpets dress up, we need to see it.

(53:45):
It's like mandatory.
Yeah.
But just keep in mind that ifyou are in Illinois, your pet can't
be smoking.
Okay.
Don't let them smoke and don'tmake faces at them.
We do not support pet smokingand do not make faces at them.
Also let us know what you're watching.
I want to know all the spookythings people are watching this year,
especially if it's a new one.
Something strange, something cool.

(54:06):
Yeah.
Weird.
I like when they make.
When people make the.
A calendar of, like, each daya certain theme and then they find
a movie that, like, goes withthat theme.
Those are really fun.
I think that's fun.
But I'm also like, I can'tcommit to this every day, but I can.
Oh, yeah, I can't watch the episode.
Maybe.
Yeah, I like, I was like, oh,I think I'm gonna post, like, the
spooky stuff that I'm watching.
But, like, I'm just not gonnagive myself the pressure of it, like,

(54:27):
being a daily thing.
Because I was like, I don't.
Like, I don't have the time every.
Day to watch a thing.
I wish I did.
Me with my reading schedule,with how much I read for fun.
I can't also watch a movieevery day if I'm gonna read for an
hour every day.
I mean, I wish I could, butthat sounds.
It's just.
It's a lot of commitment.
That I just can't do.
Yeah, that's fair.
That's fair.
And with that, have a great weekend.
Thanks for creeping with us.

(54:50):
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(55:10):
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I beg of you.
Look, Amanda, I've decidedwe're gonna put this at the end of
the episode, but.

(55:31):
Okay, sorry.
Up until 2020, it was illegalto curse and, like, it actually ended
up, like, getting overturned.
Like, they, like, undid thelaw, if you will, because it was
like, are you kidding me?
But, like, straight to jail.
Straight to jail.

(55:52):
Animals couldn't be hunted onSundays except for raccoons.
What is raccoon like?
Okay, before the recent.
Mm.
So you could hunt raccoonsuntil 2:00am on Sunday mornings.

(56:14):
Like, 201.
Straight to jail.
Straight to jail.
Like, what?
And then when the bars close, you.
Have to stop hunting raccoons too.
What?
You can't go home, but, like,you don't have to stay.
What is it?
You don't have to go home, butyou can't stay here.
And you also can't hunt raccoons.
Like, that should be like,they're saying there, but also in

(56:37):
Virginia, a woman can't betickled but men can be tickled.
I can't.
I can't.
And they also have.
You have to honk at somebodyif you're passing them.
Unnecessary.
Yeah.
Next up in Los Angeles, theirmunicipal code prohibits anyone to

(56:59):
possess, use or sell sillystring from midnight on October.
Thirst.
Thirst.
On midnight on October 1st.
Oh my gosh.
On midnight.
From October 31st to midnight.
To midnight.
Perhaps on midnight.
Man in man on midnight.

(57:21):
On midnight also.
Amanda, please, when you'redoing this, just like don't even
edit this part.
Just put it right at the end.
Don't even.
Just add it as it is.
Let them really sink in.
In my soup brain.
The last episode I edited,you're talking about your cold Werther's.
My cold Werther's are veryimportant to who I am.
That's the new thing coming upon every episode.

(57:43):
How many cold words weathersdoes Linds.
Cabinet fridge at the momentit's also how can I work cold Werthers
into the conversation?
Like, can I get it in there ina way that feels like natural?
Because it.
I mean that did make sense asto why I brought it up.
It wasn't like, oh yeah, likethey were eating dinner.
Sometimes I eat cold wers.
Even that I feel like thatthat kind of.
We're talking about eating.

(58:04):
It tracks.
It's more like he went for adrive and I'm.
Well, sometimes I eat cold wers.
That's something I do sometimes.
We'll see.
Let's see how many times I can slip.
I can see how much sheremembers this.
I almost said, let's see howmany times I could slip it in.
Ew.
Ew.
Lindsay.
The end of this episode'sgonna be a fucking a ride.
So the whole episode.
The whole episode.
So it happened a few years agoon September 18th of 2021.

(58:27):
And as an 11 year old boy whowas almost a 12 year old boy, by
the way.
For you, Lindsay.
Don't say for me.
Just in case someone's never listened.
That's how we measure peopleand things and everything.
Honestly, in 12 year old course.
Of course not.
11 year olds I like.
I thought you'd get excitedthat we're finally talking about
12 year old.
Don't say that I'm gonna getexcited to talk about 12 year old

(58:49):
boys.
This all sounds very bad.
We use 12 year old boy mathbecause Americans will measure use
anything but actual measurements.
And we decided to 12 year oldboys back in our lake linear episode
versus Amanda making me sounddeeply problematic, which I am not
Goodness.
Goodness.

(59:10):
You know what I'm saying?
Right?
Like, right.
And I just.
I seriously.
Again, speaking so seriously.
Yeah, I know.
Like, I even.
I was like, what's my mouth, man?
It's worse than normal.
In a statement from National.
Well, with that.
Happy Halloween.
Halloween.
Oh, my God.
Halloween, Halloween, Halloween.

(59:32):
I'm not gonna say it becauseit's not Halloween and we have a
Halloween episode.
Yeah, I know.
You're like, lindsay, you'refucking lost.
You're lost here, and I am.

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