Spooky Travel: Cassadaga, Florida

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Hey, everybody. Today we'regoing to be talking about one of
the oldest continuously activereligious communities in the United
States. It's called Casadaga,and it's in Florida, which means
that this is one of the placesthat we went to when we went to Florida.
Yes.
This was one of the placeswhere we went for part of a day just
to explore it because it'svery tiny. But we were very excited

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because it's considered thepsychic capital of the world.
I loved that all the streetswere properly named too, for it.
Oh, yes, yes.
For example, when we werewalking, we're going to talk about
the various places, but one ofthe cross streets was Mediumship
Way and Spiritualist Street.
Yeah, yeah. They were like, wewant you to know the fucking vibe.

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Yes.
As soon as you get here.
It was so cute.
We're going to talk about ourvisit there and what that was like,
but before we do that, we'regoing to talk a bit about the history.
So. So the founding ofCasadago would not be possible without
a man named George Colby. Andhis medium power surfaced when he
was a teenager. And as he gotolder, his reputation as a medium

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and a public speaker grew. Sohe traveled throughout the east and
Midwest. And we're, you know,we're talking about a while ago.
We're Talking about the 1800s,right. This is olden times. So traveling
is difficult. Knowing aboutpeople is harder, you know, Like,
I don't know. This wasn'tincluded in the outline. And I realized
I didn't say the year, so nowI'm winging it. And you can tell,

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know. But anyway, he wastraveling to and fro.
Again. You could tell thisisn't our normal recording day.
You could tell I was gonnasay. I was like, it's an off recording
vibe. You can feel it. Okay,so he was in Iowa doing.
All I thought of is he was inIowa doing Iowa things.

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You know, Iowa. He was in Iowadoing Iowa thing. You know what I
mean? You gotta wink. So,okay. Colby was attending a seance
in Iowa when his NativeAmerican spirit guide, Seneca told
him to go see T.G. gidding andhis family in Eau Claire, Wisconsin.
There was a lot of informationthere. There was a lot, right? We've

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got a lot. We've got a lot ofinformation from this. So after he's
instructed to go see Giddingin Wisconsin, he goes and sees him.
Those two fellas have a littleseance with some other people. We're
not a hundred percent sure whoall came, but we know there was more
than just the two of them. Sowe're going to just call them the
group, because what else areyou going to call them? You know

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what I mean?
You mean they. They didn'thave a sign in log?
No, no.
We need to get on that, or.
At least it's not accessibleto us. So anyway, the group is like,
yes, we are going to establisha spiritualist camp in Florida. So
they leave from Minnesota, andthen they go to Chicago, then they
head to Louisville, and thenthey go to Montgomery, Alabama, by

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train. The traveling noteshere, look, I'm not saying they make
the most sense. I am sayingthere's some gaps because they went
to Montgomery by train, andyet they're going to travel down
the Chattahoochee by a boat.But anyway, this is the news we've
got, so it's the news we'regiving. So he goes down the Chattahoochee
on a boat with the group, thenthey get on a train to Tallahassee,

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then they go to Jacksonville.All of this to say they went a lot
of places. They saw a lot offaces. They. Then they got. They
went from Minnesota toJacksonville, Florida. Then they
were traveling on a steamboatnamed the Volusia to Blue Springs.
By the way, they're going toend up in Volusia. So it's kind of
funny. And from myunderstanding, they went on the St.
John's river, which is inJacksonville and shockingly, St.

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John's County. So, okay, theyget out their little steamboat. They
decide, you know what we'regoing to do? We are going to camp
on a riverbank in rural Florida.
Sounds horrible to me.
That sounds like a bad idea.That sounds like a recipe for gators
and ghosts. And you're thefuture ghost. Yep. So they're like,
ooh, we don't know what to do.So we're just gonna camp next to
this river. Sure. Then Colbysays, like, hey, Seneca appeared

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to me. They gave me a visionof what the camp's gonna look like,
where the place is. So he'slike, we're gonna get in a wagon
and we're gonna follow thedirections. So they do, which I just
Love the faith in this. One ofyour friends is like. Your friend
calls you. They're like, oh,my God, I have a fucking vision.
Let's get in a wagon and forma. And you're like, oh, fucking K.

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Let's go, George. So, okay,that's what they did.
Accurate history.
So then when they get to theplace, Colby's like, seneca, is this
the place? And Seneca tellshim, fuck, yeah, this is the place.
Word for word.
Word for word. So this iswhat's eventually known as Cassadaga.
And it's named Cassadagabecause it reminded him of the Casadaga

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Hills of New York, which Ilike saying Casadaga. And if you
haven't said it out loud, Iwould encourage you to do so. Now.
That's my new thing, istelling people to say things during
this podcast. Like, that's athing they're gonna do. I hope you
did, though. I'm gonna giveyou another opportunity right now.
Anywho, I love the idea ofnaming a place after another place.
Cause it just feels confusing,but you know what I mean? Oh, yeah,

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we like it. It's Casadaga.
Everything's confusing. SoGeorge filed a homestead claim for
75 acres in 1880 and receivedthe title for the land four years
later. We had a whole episodewhere we talked about homesteads
and claims. During this timeperiod, the area was not developed.
Surprise, surprise. And it'sbecause it was just marked to be

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a spiritualist camp.
Right.
They were told as an exampleof how sparsely developed this area
was. Florida soldiers who didnot want to serve in the Confederate
army hid in the forests ofVolusia County.
So that's how rural it was.Which I'm like, that's interesting
to think about that.
I mean, when we're drivingthrough, like, there's still parts
that are like. Like, you seemlike you're in the middle of nowhere.

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Yeah.
So Colby homesteaded, but didnot always live at the property full
time because he would travelto work as a medium over the course
of his life. He built a homeon the property near a lake. He also
fostered at least 15 unhousedchildren. It's a lot of children.
Very nice, though. TheNational Spiritual and Liberal association

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appointed a committee to finda permanent location for their winter
camp after there had beenseveral successful spiritual events
in central Florida in the late1800s. The events were in Deleon
Springs, and the localgovernment tried to incentivize them
to build their community therewith municipal bonds. Locals promised
to donate over 20 acres ofproperty and build A massive hotel.

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During these discussions, oneof their members, George Colby, was
pretty quiet. But after theyhad looked at all other options,
he suggested that they cometake a look at his property. Two
mediums, Emma J. Huff andMarian Skidmore, who were pivotal
in the Lily Dale Spiritualistassembly, were the only ones that
accepted Colby's invitation tovisit his land. So everyone else

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is like, nah. And they'relike, yeah, let's go look. Skidmore
and Hough thought the propertywas lovely, but Huff insisted that
the community could onlythrive if Henry Flagler's railroad
would serve it. Henry Flaglerwas a businessman who owned the Florida
east coast railroad system. Atthe time, he did not own the line
that reached Lake Helen, whichwas very close.

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And what's wild here is thatit's not that they were like, oh,
we want there to be a railroadstation close by. It's that they
wanted specifically HenryFlagler to be the person who owned
it.
Yeah.
Okay.
Three weeks after thediscussion, Flagler ended up buying
the Lake Helen line. So allgood. We got him.

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Got him.
They formed the SouthernCasadaga Spiritualist Camp Meeting
association, or the SCSCMA in1894. Either way is not easy.
No.
Then George topped the landdonation that was being offered in
De Leon springs by donating 34acres of land for the camp. They
formed bylaws as part of thecamp's creation, which included a

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prohibition against alcoholbeing distributed or sold well before
prohibition was instituted. Soeven before, they're like, no alcohol
here.
I also do feel like if you'rehaving people come, like, eventually
for perhaps psychic readingsand things like that, you might not
want any substances that wouldalter people's memories. And also,

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like, say you give someonenews they don't like and they go
drink.
Yeah.
Insert mayhem. That's fair.
That's fair.
That's just my guess. I don'tknow exactly why.
No, that makes sense. And Imean, I'm the same way for, like,
ghost tours and stuff. I hatewhen they're like bar crawls or everyone's
really drunk, and you're like,this ruins everything. This ruins
it.
Yeah. Yeah.

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The camp's first event was inFebruary of 1895, and the three day
event was held at Colby'shome. I can't imagine having a three
day event at my home.
That is my nightmare. I'mexhausted just thinking about it.
The next year, they made itclear that the invitation was forever.
Everyone, regardless of classor race, the spiritualist camp was
added to the National Registerof historic. Places in 1991.

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So within Casadaga, there isthe spirituals camp, but there's
other things that exist there,too. And so when we talk about what's
there, we're going to startwith the things that are not associated
with the spiritualist camp.And so the first thing that we're
going to talk about, you know,it's a big piece of lore about Casadaga,
but it's not even in Casadaga.It's right next door in Lake Helen

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at the Casadaga Lake HelenCemetery. And it's called the Devil's
Chair. So it is a cement andbrick seat that is built into a grave
site. So the idea is, like,you could sit there and visit with
your family.
Yeah.
And legend has it that if yousit there, you'll hear someone speak

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to you inside your head. Andsome people think it's the devil
or that you'll see the devil.Others say that if you leave an unopened
can of beer on the chairovernight, it will remain unopened,
but it will be empty in themorning. Other versions of this say
that just can disappear orthat it's been opened, which, like,
someone threw it away or drankit. No worries.
Right.
This does just sound likethere's somebody who lives by the

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cemetery who's like, thanksfor the free beer.
True, true. I will say,though, while we were here at the
cemetery, when we were walkingaround, there was an empty can of
beer near it. It wasn't likein the small little, I don't know,
square area where thisbenches, but it was right outside
it. It was opened, though. Idid pick it up and throw it away.

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Fair. Yeah. So there's alsosome lore about the Devil's Chair
that says that there was ayoung man who sat in the Devil's
chair at midnight on Halloweenand then was never seen again. So
the last time his friend sawhim, he was walking into the cemetery
and he had told him where hewas going to go. Some say he was
dragged to hell by Satan,while others thinks he was just,

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you know, sucked up into avortex. As one does.
As one does.
Fascinating. And also, welooked for missing people in Volusia
county from, like, the lastseveral decades, and there wasn't
anything that matched thisfor, like, a young guy who went missing
in that area. So we don'tthink it's true. Shocker there. But

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we're like, maybe what ifthere was something that kind of
supported it? There's not. So,although not associated with the
Casadega spirituals campwhatsoever, they do include a little
note about this on theirwebsite, and they say that these
are just myths and urbanlegends, everything about it. And
they note that wealthierfamilies in the area would add stone
seating areas to theircemetery plots and that someone created

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a ghost story about one ofthose seats because they'd never
seen anything like thatbefore, which I had also not seen
anything about like, that before.
Not like those ones. I've seenlittle benches near certain ones,
but not, like, elaborate. Thattook up a good amount of space. Yeah,
there were several in the. Inthe cemetery too. It wasn't just
this one.
I've never seen it where itwas clear that it was, like, for

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a particular group grave.Like, I've only ever seen where there's,
like, a bench within an areaand, like, you could be facing in
any direction versus this islike, there's a back and there's
little walls. Like, it's clearthat it is for this family.
Yeah. When she says walls,it's like three walls around it that
surround the bench, howevermany grave sites there are. And then

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like a little walkway into it.Yeah. So it's like its own little
private area.
Yeah. So we obviously, wevisited to see if we had any experiences
ourself with the devil'sshare. And so when we wandered around
the cemetery, the first thingwe notice, there were several different
graves that had chairs thatlooked like it could be the infamous
devil's chair, but they allhad kind of a different vibe when

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you stood near em. The firstone that I saw was whitish in color.
And I didn't see the gravesinside were very worn that I could.
So I could barely read them.And the entire little section, the
enclosed area that Amanda justdescribed, was filled with, like,
leaves and trash. Buthauntingly, there was a rocking horse

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on it, which added anotherlayer of spooky vibes to it. As always,
check out our social media.You'll see it there.
And a tricycle in front of it.
Oh, yeah, I forgot about thetricycle. That was haunting. Fittingly
so. Okay, that one's got aweird vibe. That's the first one.
So then the next two. They'reboth connected to graves for people
with the last name Thatcher.And there's two of them, and they

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look vastly different. Thefirst one is kind of ominous. It
is simply the two graves inthe fruit, the front and the seats.
Everything, like, lookedbizarrely cleaner than other areas.
Like somebody was maintainingit, but in a good way. Right. I don't
know how to say this, but ithad just more of an ominous vibe
to it.
Right.
And those headstones werenewer in the front. That's important
to note. The bricks weren'tnew, but the headstones were newer.

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Then there was the secondThatcher family enclosure, and that
one was so whimsical. Therewas little plastic flowers, little
lawn decorations that youmight expect to see in front of someone's
house around Easter. That'sthe vibe we're talking, like, cheery
pastels, little flowers, andso when we sat down in the first

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Thatcher area, I didn't reallyfeel anything. Did you, Amanda?
No, I don't think I actuallyended up sitting down at that one.
I walked over because otherpeople were over there taking pictures,
and I was like, I wonder ifthis is the one. And I kind of, like,
looked at it, and I was like,it doesn't look significant. Yeah,
not anything bad against,like, who's buried there. It just
didn't have a weird vibe or. Idon't know. I don't even know how

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to describe it.
I didn't feel anything. Like,it just felt like a place, you know?
Yeah.
So then we went over to thesecond Thatcher area, and so when
we walked over there, Benwalked in and he sat down, and I
was like, how's it feel? Andhe's like, oh, this is, like, very
comfortable. Like, I'm verycozy. And mind you, a cement seat
with a brick back, that is nota comfy seat. And so I was just kind

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of like, hey, do you feelcomfortable or do you feel comforted?
He pauses for a moment, andhe's like, both. And I'm like, okay.
So then I walk in. The energyinside of it versus outside of it
was drastically different. Itfelt calming, Kind of like a hug.
Very relaxing, very chill,very welcoming. And I was like, how

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interesting. So then I waslike, amanda, you go sit in it.
And I was far away when theyboth sat there the first time.
She didn't see all this.
Yeah, I was wandering, justlooking at some of the pretty graves.
Mm.
What did you feel when youwalked in?
So I sat down, and I was like,this is oddly comfortable. And I
feel like, what did I. Whatwas the word I used? I think I was
like, it feels chill in here.Like, it feels just calm and nice.

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Kind like, nothing bad.
Yeah. Good vibes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I sat there for, like, agood. What, 15 minutes?
Yeah.
Yeah. This is. This is comfortable.
Yeah. So in our head, we'relike, okay, either the first Thatcher
area or the creepy space witha rocking horse. Probably it. So
we pulled up a photo of whatpeople claim to be the devil's chair.

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And we realized from comparingthe other grave sites and where they
were and what was in thebackground of the photo that it was
the whimsical little joyouschill place that was supposedly the
devil's chair. Some people saythat the actual devil's chair that
people are talking about wastorn down and that the photos that
are out there now are notreal. We don't know. But we were

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pretty shocked that it wouldhave been that one because the feeling
of it just was so opposite tothe nefarious lore about it.
Right. And one of the mainphotos that Lindsay's referencing
too, of the devil's chair Isfrom a haunted museum in Casadaga.
Yeah.
That we had visited before.
So we were like, this is reliable.
Yeah.
We'll also talk about thishaunted museum in a moment.

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Yeah. But very different vibesfrom what we expected. So we're going
back to Cassadaga spiritualistcamp. The actual area.
Yeah.
And in the area there areseveral vortexes. The Cassadaga spiritualist
camp website defines a vortexas, quote, a point of concentrated
psychic energy on the planet.Vortexes can be man made or naturally

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occurring. And Cassadaga is anatural vortex. But there are also
smaller vortexes on thegrounds of the camp. These were developed
because of the activitiespracticed at the camp, which I think.
Is really interesting becausethe idea that vortices aren't naturally
occurring, but rather they canbe created by psychic or mystical

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or woo woo energies.Interesting. I'm intrigued.
Yeah. And two examples at thecamp are Seneca park's vortex and
the fairy trail. Other sourcessay that one vortex is on top of
the hill in the park, One inthe classroom within the meditation
center, and that there's onein the local pastor's office. So

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plenty of them in the area. Wesaw another source that has a spot
near a lake as well.
And that's the one that weactually went to.
It is. Yeah. And it's funnybecause it's between these two palm
trees and there's even littleindents from where people stand.
Yeah. And it's very close to,like the tall grass near the water.
And Ben was like a gator couldpop out of there. And I was like,

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I feel like I would see somesort of rustling first. And I just
don't think that I am whatthey're most interested in.
They had a sign though.
I know.
Beware of wildlife too.
For liability.
That specific one. We were atone of the little shops and one of
the employees Is like, oh, ifyou want to walk over, there's one
right there. So she actuallypointed us in that direction to this

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one as well.
When you stood in the vortexspot, like, how did you feel?
I felt like there was moreenergy there. I don't think I really
felt one way or another as faras like feeling completely different,
but I definitely felt likethere was like a more concentrated
energy space as soon as myfeet were in the place that everyone

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else had stood. And that issomething I thought about too was
like, so many people havestood there and meditated and did
various things that perhapssome of their energy remains there.
So it's like tapping into allthe people that have been standing
there for a decent amount oftime each time they go. So I don't
know.
Or maybe they made a vortexthere from everybody standing right
there and doing just that.Maybe that's how they're making vortexes,

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is by saying, stand here now,do this thing perhaps.
And it's a pretty area too.
Gorgeous.
When you walk up to the lake,that's the spot you're drawn to.
Right? Like that's like theperfect spot, the perfect viewing
spot.
So.
But it was nice. What about you?
I haven't talked about it onthe show. I've been taking Reiki
classes and I was like, Iwonder if it will be easier to do

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Reiki here. And so when Istood there, like, I just felt generally
buzzy in my head before I eventried anything. But then I was like,
oh, I'll just give myself someReiki. And I have never had it be
easier than when I steppedinto those little footprints. It
almost felt like you werebeing plugged in.
Yeah, that's a good reference.
Yeah, you just plug yourselfright in. And but for the fact that

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we had other things we weredoing that day, I think I could have
just stood there or nearby andlooked out that lake for hours. It
was just so peaceful andserene. I like nature, I like being
chill, but I have adhd. Mancalm is boring sometimes. So that's
not always something that.Where I'm like, that sounds like
a good time. But I truly thinkthat I could have just sat there

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and stared at that lake forlike several hours. It was very pretty.
Yeah, I think you took a phonecall at one point. So Ben and I were
sitting by this little likeman made waterfall thing, I don't
know, water feature andwatching the lizards. And I liked
that too.
I fucking love a lizard.
They were very cute. Therewere several different ones. So other
people that have visited Someof these vortexes in the area have

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reported a variety of things,including spiritual experiences,
healing, like every kind,physical, mental, emotional and spiritual.
Tingling sensations, spiritualclarity, increased psychic abilities.
That one's kind of fun. Rushof energy. I feel like that's what
I felt. Consciousness shifts,altered perceptions, euphoria or

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bliss, and heightenedcreativity and inspiration. I want
that one.
When you're sitting in a calmplace, your brain is taking a little
rest, taking a little snooze.So if you're a person who is psychically
inclined to think that way andthink those things exist, then it
is more likely that if you arerelaxed and in a certain type of

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mind, that you'll be able todo it easier. And the same thing
with creativity andinnovation. If you feel like safe
and calm and collected, it'seasier to do those things versus,
like, if you're going, going,going. Yeah, that's fair.
So on the same thought ofvortexes, there is a bed and breakfast
named the Ann Stevens Housethat was built in 1895, and that's

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right on the outskirts of theneighboring town, Lake Helen. And
we're not going to get toomuch into it, but they do report
having portals there as well.So then one guest said that when
they held the pendulum overwhere the vortex was, it started
spinning in circles, despitethere not being a reason for it to
be moving, which interesting energy.
Right.

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People also report that thereare two ghosts there, one being a
little girl named Marjorie andanother of a gardener named Virgil.
So the bed and breakfastdoesn't allow small children to stay
the night. It looks like theyhave to be 12 and over. But people
have heard laughter and toysin the hallway.
Yikes.
Which I wouldn't think like anover 12 year old.
Yeah.
You know, would be playingwith toys in a hallway.

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Yeah, yeah. I don't know.
They might, but it's not ascommon, I'd say.
Yeah, okay, so we're going tomove in to just some general Casadaga
experiences. So one Reddituser mentioned that while visiting
Casadaga, a psychic approachedhim and asked him if he wanted a
reading, and they mentionedthe name of his dead father. From

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my understanding, this personwas just kind of visiting to look
around. They hadn't had like areading booked. They did not know
this person didn't tell themtheir name, didn't. This person didn't
know anything about them. Sothere was no reason for them to know
his father's name. So anotherfascinating thing about Casadaga
is when you're looking forwhat people say about it, how people

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talk about it. You'll see alot of reviews. There's reviews on
Google and TripAdvisor and allthese things. But people don't always
get into the specifics of thepositive experiences they're having
with psychics or the vortices,which I think is actually pretty
fair, because when you'rethinking of, like, a vortex and your
experience, people don't loveto put into writing. Here's what

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I felt in this spiritual placeall the time.
Yeah.
Especially if you're a personwho's visiting and this isn't like
your life. In the same waythat people don't like to report
cryptid sightings because theyknow that it can fuck up their life.
Yeah.
And then when it comes topsychics, we have talked about this
before, that the idea oftalking to a psychic or medium, you
are often trying tocommunicate with someone who has

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passed. So there is a certainelement of grief that is just intermingled
with that. I mean, it'stypically intensely personal. So
I could see why you might notwant to be like, this is the very
heartfelt conversation I hadwith my relative who passed, and
here's how everything went.But just interesting that it's kind

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of hard to nail down, like,specifics of what people are getting
very similar with. People aresaying that they're see, they see
spirits there and theyexperience spirits, but there's not
a lot of detail into what that means.
There is a wall in one of thelittle shops where you could buy
things, but then there's like,an office where they do readings.

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And people did post little,like, one or two sentence things
about their readings. And Iliked reading those. Those were really
interesting.
Yeah. Okay. So we mentioned itearlier, the haunted museum, but
it's called CG Green's HauntedMuseum and Store. And there's not
a ton of specifics onlineabout what is in this museum. They

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talk about having a Ouijaboard collection and a collection
of haunted dolls and that youcan buy one from them. They also
mentioned online that theyhave George Colby's original seance
table. But we went throughthis museum. I think it was like
10 bucks to go through.Totally worth it. A fun little time.
There was random pop culturethings about, like, movies and, like,
contemporary stuff that wasnot haunted particular, but it was

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like, of the mystical realm,if you will.
Yeah, they have that listed inthe things that you'll find. Yeah.
The thing that struck me themost was that when you walk in, the
first thing you see is a fullbookcase filled with dolls to the
point where there's somesitting on the floor in front of
it, and at the top there's ahandwritten sign that says haunted
dolls, $25. And I was like,oh, 10 out of 10 will not be buying.

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But I liked that it was there.I was intrigued by it. So it wasn't
too surprising that when wewent through one of the things we
saw were several haunteddolls, including a replica of Robert,
the doll the replica used tolive in the same case as Robert.
There was also another dollthat I'm not even going to say its
name because we wereoriginally going to talk about this
doll in our first hauntedhouse episode, but we had read that

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like some stuff with animalshappened, and we were like, no, thank
you. In all kindness, no thankyou. We do not want to perhaps make
something happen. Because whocould say, yeah, Amanda, when we
were walking through there,what was your impression? Like, what
are the things that stuck outto you? Because there was a lot.
So at first the first roomseemed fine. Didn't really think
anything of it. And then asyou kind of wind to another room,

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I don't even know if you'd sayit's another room. Just the way that
they have it laid out. Yeah,the layout, it's not bad. It's just
kind of windy. But once weturned the corner, there's these
two dolls that move like it'san animatronic thing, twins. And
when you walk past them, theymove. And we're like, haha, okay,
cool. And we're going in theother room. And then it was just
the three of us in this museumat the time, so me, Lindsay and her

(27:12):
husband. And when we enteredthe other room, all of a sudden the
dolls start going off bythemselves again. And I was like,
are they timed? What? So Ilike stood and staring at them for
a minute. They didn't go off.So I walked up to them. Motion sensor
goes off again. And I'm like,why did this just go off? That's
unnerving. So that caught myattention. And then when we were

(27:32):
in the little hallway that hasthe doll that you're talking about,
I felt like she was staring.Like, I mean, all dolls have eyes
and look like they're staringat you. But this was like a different
feeling. But we were veryrespectful. We said hi, and we're
like, please don't come withus. We're happy to visit, but goodbye.
Um, she's also sitting on avery strange chair that stood out.

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And I guess it was a chairused for death photography of children,
which.
Like, that's really sad. Yeah.
So that room was not myfavorite. And then I loved the Cryptid
room. I thought that was fun.Like, all the signs and everything.
And then there was anotherposter that caught my attention that
was like, you might need a lobotomy.
Oh, yeah, yeah. There was awhole section for that. It was like,

(28:15):
old medical equipment right there.
Yeah. Yeah. So that was fun.
It honestly felt like a truecreeps museum. There was so much
stuff in there. I was like, wedid an episode on that. We did an
episode on that. Like, therewas the crying boy painting print
of it that was there. And Iwas like, yeah.
Oh, no, there's a ton. Theother poster that I was like, oh,
that's interesting. Is like,reasons why you could be admitted

(28:38):
to a hospital at a certain time.
Oh, no.
And it was just most. The mostrandom. I'm like, all of us would
have been at the hospital.
Yep.
So that was. That wasinteresting. Yeah. The Cryptid room
was probably my favoritebecause they had that Jersey Devil
picture. But, yeah, you'reright. Like, I think I was taking
pictures of all the thingsthat we had done episodes of. And
I was like, we've done this.We've done this. I posted a few on
our stories, but it was aninteresting place. Like, especially

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for only $10, for sure. If youhave the opportunity to go.
Oh, yeah.
On our way out to. We werechatting to a couple of the employees
of the museum, too, and theywere telling us about the specific
doll. And they had mentionedthat she came from someone that had
a pig, I guess, as a pet, andthe pig was fine. So I was like,
okay, maybe she got over it. Ihope so. I hope she was nice to animals

(29:23):
from now on. But they alsomentioned. And I was like, maybe
I misheard, but they mentionedsomething about how they found either
her or the chair sealed in awall. I was like, that's interesting
and horrifying.
Dislike.
What were your thoughts on the museum?
Just generally, if you takedown a wall and there's something
that's been walled.
In, you put it back and you leave.

(29:44):
You put that wall back. Youput that wall back. That's just for
everyone's benefit. If someonethought. I mean, with the exception
of, like, if someone, like,buried someone in a wall. Right.
Other than that perhaps theywere doing a service to humanity,
you know? But anyway, so whenyou first walk in, one of the first
things they have is thislittle display, and it says, june's

(30:04):
room, and it says, amazingpieces owned by Original family owner,
June. She is now our whitelight of the museum. And it's like
crystals and like littlefairies and all. It's just like a
very interesting, like, littlevibe. Just like set the tone, which
I thought was cute. And theyhave for Colby's seance table, like,
they have a whole little setupwhere it looks like there's two figure

(30:25):
mannequin things. I think oneof them was actually a skeleton having
a seance. But behind them isan abundance of Ouija boards and
spirit boards, which I thoughtwas interesting. They had different
haunted objects abound.Different types. All different types.
I will say that before werounded the corner to where Robert
replica doll and dolla, whosename I will not say there was. And

(30:50):
again, not surprising here. Anabundance of haunted dolls that were
kind of collected in one area.And there was one particular one
that I want to vaguelyremember being in like a tank. Was
it in a tank? Now I'm lookingat my photos, but I remember it being
in like an enclosure where Igot like, specifically negative vibes
from it. And I was like, oh, Ido not like this.
I only remember the vine of dolls.

(31:12):
Oh, yeah. There was a wallwhere it was like foliage and there
was like dolls mixed in withit. It was a display more than anything
else. I would say. They alsohave a little note about the island
of dolls. We have so manyphotos of this that we'll share.
It was a really fun time. Theyalso have what they say are haunted
books. And the sign with itsays, some are so old they will fall

(31:36):
apart. Some are haunted.Either way, it won't work out well
for you. Thanks managementthere. This did make me like, look
at Amanda and say, when youmove to Maryland, guess what? We
can make sharks.
We're going to need you.
Listen, sharks. Do youcollection of haunted things Want
to see a true creepscreeptastic spectacular museum? We

(31:59):
would come up with a bettername name tbd. But what a fun thing
that would be to like make ajust weird, creepy shit museum.
Yeah, yeah, I'd love that.
Look, do you want to stand ina corner and when you stand on a
certain thing, you hear meyell Jersey Devil at a whole little
exhibit about the JerseyDevil. What a treat that would be.

(32:20):
Sharks. What a treat.
There's no amount of moneysomeone wouldn't pay to go to that,
right?
Priceless. Think of thememories. Perfect. All that to say
this was a cool little museum,a really fun time. Definitely spooky
vibes. It was equal partsweird shit and learn about creepy
things, which you Know us, wewere all about it.

(32:42):
Oh, yeah.
Again, we have so many videos.We've been sharing some of them on
social media already, like thevideos and photos of the museum.
Another place I would say tovisit if you're in the area, is the
Casadaga Hotel. And it wasbuilt in 1922. And just three years
later, on Christmas Eve of1925, the hotel, as well as two adjacent
buildings were completelyburned down. So you know what that

(33:04):
means. Super haunted. AndJustin and Reed Williams lived next
door to the hotel, and theywere the first to notice the fire.
They ran into the hotel towake up the guests, and fortunately,
everyone survived the fire,which is very good. However, the
property damage was extensiveand the hotel was rebuilt the following
year. The new Casadaga Hotelhas 40 rooms with baths, a dining

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area that could seat 150people. It also has a few parlors.
It's very pretty. It's a cool place.
It's gorgeous.
So the hotel was sold in 1933.Diana Morne bought the hotel in 1979.
And Diana Morne had visionsall of her life and really didn't
feel like anyone understoodher until she moved to Casadega.

(33:47):
She finally found her people.I love that.
Yeah.
Diana said that she came toFlorida while she was on vacation
from Wisconsin and stayed. Shesaid God led her to the hotel. And
in interviews, Diana mentionedthat there were spirits from when
the hotel caught fire in 1925.She doesn't like the word haunted,
so she doesn't use it.

(34:07):
Okay.
Yeah, that's interesting. Iwonder if it's just people that.
I mean, no one died in thefire luckily, but maybe from that
era.
Yeah.
So there are a few spirits inthe hotel. People have reported seeing
ghosts on the porch and insidethe hotel itself. And from what we
understand, the spiritualistcamp is very clear about where the
boundaries are for the campand that the hotel is not part of

(34:30):
it, which is interestingbecause it's literally right there.
Like, it's a tiny street thatyou cross to be at the hotel.
Yes.
Now, we did visit the hotel,and all three of us at different
points went down this littlehallway where there are rooms, but
there's also public restrooms.And one by one, we went in the area,
and I was like, okay, walkdown the hall and then tell me how

(34:53):
you feel. And all of us hadthe same feeling, which I thought
was interesting, in the samespot of the hallway. So once you
pass the first door, not thebathrooms, but, like, the door where
someone could stay, you'relike, Yikes. This is heavy. We all
felt it. So I thought that wasreally interesting. We didn't do
any videos or investigationsor anything there because they had

(35:14):
signage that said that no onehas permission to film any paranormal
stuff or investigations on theproperty. So we respected that. But
interesting. Like, we. We alldid feel that.
We also weren't, like, lookingfor a place to feel something. I
was like, I have to peebecause I pee every 30 minutes. And,
like, we were naturally inthat area. And we're like, yeah,

(35:35):
yeah.
Because we took turns goingin. And I don't know where Ben went.
He walked away for a minute.
He was wandering.
And so while you were in thebathroom? I walked down it, and then
I was like. And then weswitched, and I was like, you walk
down that while I go?
Yeah.
And also, the bathroom feltweird in a particular stall?
Yes. Yes.
So if you're looking for aspooky place to stay, I think that
that would be a really cool place.
They also have a restaurantthere that looked delicious, but

(35:57):
we already had dinner plans.Otherwise we would have probably
considered it. But it lookedreally cute. The last time I was
there, there was a coffeeshop, which I was hoping was still
there, but it was not.
No, we were looking for thatcoffee shop.
We really were. So we saidthis was the psychic capital. So
now we. What do we need totalk about? The mediums and healers
of Casadaga. So, per RichardRussell, who has worked as one of

(36:19):
the mediums and healers at thecamp since 1997, it is a long process
to become one of their mediumsor healers. You have to take in person
training at the camp, whichcan take four to six years. Then
you have to do a publicdemonstration of your gifts. I was
hoping to see if, like, oh,maybe we could, like, fit in a reading.
And I was looking at the boardto see who was available. And Richard

(36:42):
Russell was one of the peoplewho was available that day for readings.
So I was like, oh, he's there.Active, doing the things. Darlene
McCormick, who was the publicrelations committee chairperson in
2020, says that it takes about200 hours of classes and seminars.
So we were talking to someonewho is very aware of Casadaga and
the spiritualist camp. Theymentioned that the FBI screens people

(37:05):
who are part of thespiritualist camp that, like, you
have to pass an FBI test first.
I thought that was fascinating.
We don't know whether that'strue or not or whether just the person
he was talking to had thattype of testing done. We were like,
oh, interesting. Today,Casadega spiritualist camp has 57
acres with 44 homes. And tolive inside the camp itself, you

(37:26):
must be a spiritualist. Andthe purchase of the home has to be
approved by the board oftrustees of the camp. They also have
a historical and spirit tourlisted on their website.
Yeah. And when we were there,we found a bunch of different tours
that they had. They had abunch of flyers about it. You could
do like your own walking tourand all kinds of things you can do.
So they're very organized withwhat they offer.

(37:48):
I loved it. So they also havea lovely gift shop and we spent so
much time there. There wascrystals and books and all types
of things in there.
Yeah. And that one's calledthe Casadaga Camp Bookstore.
Yeah. We realized that Ben didnot have any crystals for our investigations.
So we stocked him andourselves up while we were there.

(38:09):
So the clerk that we talked towas a treasure and a delight and
so sweet and was talking tous. They also, when on the receipts,
when you buy crystals, theylist out every crystal you buy, which
is so lovely because sometimesyou leave and you were like, oh,
these are beautiful rocks.What are they? Unless you've got
like a guide, which I got abook, but like, it's hard. It was

(38:29):
so nice to have the list.
I appreciated that when youare crystal shopping there, they
have little information sheetson each crystal, like why, how it
helps you, what it is. Andthen also something that I grabbed
by the crystals is there wasthis little printed two page sheet
that say crystals and stonesand why they work. And it's a whole

(38:50):
explanation about them. So Ijust appreciated that.
Yeah.
They're like, here'sinformation, here's why you want
this. And it's not just buythis, this is this type of crystal.
It's like, here's how itworks, here's why it could work,
here's how you can use ithere. You could buy it in crystal
form, necklace form, braceletform. Like so much information. I
just appreciated it so much.

(39:11):
Yeah. I also feel likecrystals are one of those things
where. Okay. Whether youbelieve or you do not believe, on
one side benefits of crystals,the worst thing that could happen
is that you have some gorgeousrocks. There's no downside here.
There's simply no downside.
Yeah.
But so anyway, we're talkingto the store clerk, a treasure, a
delight, as I was saying. Andas we're nearing the end of our conversation,

(39:34):
she mildly abruptly pivots andsays something akin to the world
is changing and the truth Willbe unearthed. Which we were like,
okay. You know when you're ina movie and someone has, like, a
prophecy and they change theirtone and the look in their eyes changes,
and everything just looks,like, a little different? That's
how it felt to the point whereAmanda and I looked at each other

(39:55):
and I pulled out my phone andmade a little note, like, what? Because.
And now that I said that, I'mgonna look up what the actual statement
was, because I was like, thisis so interesting. Okay.
Yeah. And it was like. Likeyou described it. She was kind of,
like, happy, joking and, like,talking about what we were buying
and what we were doing. Andthen it just. The tone changed, her

(40:16):
face, everything changed.
She got serious. Yeah. And sowhat it. What she said was, a lot
of secrets are going to cometo light, and the truth will be unearthed.
We were like, okay. So thenext day, we were in St. Augustine,
and we were having aconversation with someone, and same
thing. We're having a lovelyconversation. The conversation kind
of tilts a bit, and in thesame kind of seriousness, he says

(40:39):
something that is, like, notthe same exact statement, but the
meaning is so shockinglysimilar that Amanda and I, again,
just kind of looked at eachother like, yeah, what. What is going
on? What a bizarre message tojust get two days in a row from two
separate people that is soclearly the same. I don't know.
Just.
It made me kind of be aware of it.

(41:01):
Yeah. The second conversation,we were talking about the world and
some of the bad stuffhappening. And he had mentioned something
like, oh, the good time juststarted. And we're like. We looked
at him. We're like, what youmean by that? Like, then he's like,
oh, no, no, no, no. The goodstuff is just starting. It's happening.
It's in the process. It's.It's coming. And we're like. He's

(41:21):
like, there's gonna be a bigchange or something like that. And
we were like.
Because he also went, we'regoing to find out everything. All
of the truth is going to comeout. It's going to emerge in a similar
way. So it was like he wassaying all those other things, but
it got to. The truth will come out.
Yes. Yes.
In this intense way.
It gave me hope.
Yes. I had tingles in my head,which I was like, me, too.

(41:43):
Yeah.
Energetically, for me, thatmeans I am vibing with what is happening,
like, spiritually more thanjust a. I agree with you. That's
fair.
That's the first time duringthis trip, is the first time that
I've had the top of my head gotingly, like, it, like, engulfed
my entire head. And I waslike, this is weird, but it happened
several times during thistrip. And one was. Yeah. When he

(42:04):
was talking about it. And Iwas like, it filled me with joy.
And I was like, is everythinggoing to be okay? Yeah.
I was like, is this hope? Ifeel. Yeah. So mentioned it earlier,
Reiki stuff. But part of thetraining for that is you get an attunement.
And it wasn't until after thatattunement that I started feeling
things energetically in myhead with, like, buzzing feelings,

(42:24):
like, to the point where,like, sometimes I forget that's what
it is because it feels like anitch almost, but it's not. It's,
like, inside your skin. It's,like, buzzy. And so it was just very
interesting. And when the ladysaid it at the spiritualist camp,
I was also like, that's where,like, my whole head was like. I was
like, oh, okay, I'm. I'malert. I'm aware. Noticed her. Right.

(42:49):
And it was. When she said it,it was so different because you were
checking out at that time, andI was waiting to check out, and I
had sat my purchase on thecounter, so I didn't drop anything.
And I was kind of, like,looking at the books, listening to
her and looking at the books.And then when she said it, like,
her voice had changed. So Iturned around, I was just staring
at her like, what is happening?
And also, I loved it. Thoughperhaps I am. Tell me if this is

(43:09):
Amanda and I have not talkedabout this particular opinion on
this moment before now.
Oh, no.
But did you get the sense thatthere was, like, an awkward pause
afterwards where she was like,what the fuck was that like? Like,
she seemed surprised that shesaid it.
Yes.
Like, not that she disagreed,but she wasn't like, this is the
thing. Next thing I'm going tosay as part of this conversation,

(43:29):
it was like, it just channeled out.
Yeah. Because then she wentback to her, like, cheerful self,
like, bagging up yourcrystals. And I was like, this is
just like a movie.
Yeah. It was a pause, like,what was that? And then it, like,
went back. Because the otherthing, too, is that she was faced.
So, like, the way that the regwas set up when we walked up to the
register. The register, we'refacing the side of the clerk, and

(43:51):
she's facing to the right,putting things into the register.
So when she said, the world ischanging, the truth will be on earth,
she Turned and made eyecontact and then kind of like paused,
like. Huh. And then she turnedand went back to what she was doing.
Yeah.
It was a full. Like, it was sostrange. I mean, I liked it, but

(44:11):
it was fascinating. Peculiar.I would say also. What is the word
I'm thinking of? It wasjarring in a positive way.
Yeah. But it was, you know,like those movies that you watch
where I don't think this iswhat happened by any means, but you
know, like when someone getspossessed momentarily and they say
a message and then it leavestheir body.
Yes.
It was like that in a movie.

(44:31):
Yes. Where it's that stark ofa difference.
Yes.
So fascinating.
Cheerful, sweet lady. I couldtalk to her for hours. She was so
nice and she knew.
So much about crystals and atreasure, a delight.
Yeah.
Everyone who we talked tothere was lovely.
I feel like during this trip,I've met several people where Lindsay
and I both were like, can Ijust spend hours on your floor and

(44:53):
listen to you speak?
Oh, my gosh. Like the personwho we're talking about with that,
like, the second person wetalked to on the Friday, I was like,
if he starts a cult, Iprobably would. I'd be like, where's
our uniform? Like, let's go.So we're gonna have at least two
more episodes on our trip forSt. Augustine.
That includes investigations,too. Yeah.

(45:14):
And those are gonna be moreinvestigation based, one of which
will be on all ofinvestigations that we had planned
to already do. And then theother will be an investigation that
we did that we decided ratherlast minute to do it.
Yeah.
And it was a wild experience.But I would say that I. I've never
talked to so many strangerswhere I was like, yes. What you were

(45:36):
saying aligns so thoroughly.
Yeah. We found our people.
Yes.
In Florida, of all places.
Yeah. Which I didn't thinkwould happen in Florida. I mean,
it's where I found my husband.So I should have known that maybe
there were. There were somegoods left in Florida, but I wasn't
expecting that part of thetrip for like, spiritual congruence,
if you will.
Yes.

(45:56):
That was not what I expectedwhen we went to Florida.
And that night we went todinner and we had to wait a while
because we didn't realize itwas bike week. And we met the most
lovely couple and their pitbull named Stella. And on her collar
it said sweet Stella.
Yeah.
And we talked to them forlike, I don't know, at a half hour
or so. And they were thesweetest, too. We just met so many
nice people.

(46:16):
Yeah. It was truly lovely.Truly lovely. Except for the people
who were above us in theAirbnb, who were. There was a Celtic
festival also going on in St.Augustine. A lot of stuff happening.
I was like, they're riverdancing at like, like quarter to
seven. And I said that, notrealizing there was a Celtic festival.
And then I was like, oh, no.They actually legitimately might
have been because Ben, like,looked outside and saw them, like,

(46:37):
walking downstairs, and theguy was in a kilt. I was like, love
that you're in a kilt. Hatethat you're stomping above my life.
What else was he doing? Theother description that Ben gave as
he watched this man descendfrom the.
Stairs, he was like, he'swalking down the stairs with a newsy
cap, a kilt, and chugging aregular Coca Cola, which, like, I

(46:59):
was a Diet Coke girly beforethis. And I. I can't imagine doing
it, let alone at like, 8 inthe morning.
Yeah. But fascinating place. Ifeel like if you do have the opportunity
to visit St. Augustine andCasadaga, do it because it was such
a fun time.
Yes.
Scary at times, but great all around.

(47:20):
Yes. Yes. Overall, good.
Yeah. Yeah. And again, likeLindsay said, we're gonna have a
few other episodes about ourtime in St. Augustine, and we're
going to be talking a lotabout investigations and some of
the new tools that we boughtwhile we were there.
Oh, yeah. We're going to getinto a lot of tool talk. Okay, I'm
going to say it now.
Tool talk. Tool talk with Lindsay.

(47:43):
This is a drill. It drillsspecific. That's actually my moonlighting
podcast, the one that I cheaton Amanda with. It's. I have a tool
podcast where I explain howtools work. It's just me saying the
name of a tool and then makingit into a verb. You know what I'm
saying? Perfect unison. That'show we can line up our audio. Us

(48:06):
saying perfect at the samefucking time. So as of us recording
this, I have not yet used mynew tool with Marge.
And she's not talking about atool to, like, build a house. She's
talking about a ghost tool, bythe way.
Oh, yeah. My ghost tool. Myghost tool. I have not used it yet.
I have a drill.
We will talk about what thatis at a later date. But, Amanda,

(48:27):
I kind of want to do a Margeepisode at some point, the Life of
Marge, because there's enoughthat happens in our house where we
could probably talk about it.And when you come here.
Yes. Can I talk to Marge?
Yes. Yes. I Like, I think thatwould be a good idea. I also know
that Marge kept a very cleanhome and that my house is not a very

(48:48):
clean. Like, my house iscluttered, and I am overwhelmed at
all times. So I know that sheis deeply unhappy. And I said to
Amanda, I was like, I'm afraidthat if I talk to her, it's just
gonna be her being very mad atme. And Amanda was like, well, she's
gonna be even madder if youdon't talk to her. And she knows
you can talk to her becauseshe's about the house and can hear

(49:10):
this.
Yeah. That's a new level ofanxiety, too. You know how everyone's
mad at me and you're like, notonly is everyone mad at me, but the
ghost that lives in my houseis also probably mad at me.
And, dude, let me tell you,that's fucking true. When I need
to clean this up, and I'mlike, I know Marge is mad at me.
I know Marge is mad. Thatsucks. I don't want my ghost to be
mad at me or disappointed.Like, she's not mad. She's disappointed.

(49:34):
Oh.
Oh, no.
Anywho.
Okay. So we visited casadega.We visited St. Augustine. We went
to Iowa. We went to KansasCity, Excelsior Springs.
The Elms Hotel.
Yeah. So if there are otherplaces that one you want us to talk

(49:54):
about or perhaps visit in thefuture, let us know.
Yeah.
Because this has been so fun,and I love finding new, spooky places.
I didn't know Casadaga was athing. I'd never. I had only been
to Florida for, like, a minutebefore. Like, it was to get on a
boat. So this was really funto visit.
Were you getting on a steamboat?
A steamboat down or. No.
The train before you got on.17. Other different methods of transportation

(50:18):
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That's the only way to travelin Florida. Yes. Yes, Absolutely,
yes.
Accurate.
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11 ish 12 year old boys inweight and they are 1.3 to 12 year
old boys long.
Good to know. Good to know.
Yeah.
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podcast and all of that doestake money. So with their help we're
able to not only produce theshow, but also now do investigations
and share it with you guys. Sojust from the bottom of our hearts,
thank you so much.
Yeah, we really, really,really appreciate that.
And I love our conversations.Like they make my day. Especially

(52:46):
when I have like I know a hardday or something and I look in there
and then I'm laughing. 5. Ijust love it. So thank you all.
Oh yeah, yeah, we've got alsowe've got like a pet channel where
I'm like, oh, I know that dog.I know her.
Yeah, I, I know people buytheir pets a lot of the time, so.
Yeah, I mean fair, that'srelatable. I get that.
I did not know our neighborsnames for the longest time, but I

(53:07):
knew.
All of their dogs names. Well,how many times are you out in the
world where you're like oh,may I pet your dog. And they're like,
yes. And then you're like,what's their name? Because you're
touching them and petting themand it feels weird to not know their
name.
Yeah.
And they're like, oh, this is.Is Bobby. Why is that where I went?
But whatever. This is Bobbythe dog. And. But you don't give
a about that person's name. Doyou know what I mean? You're not

(53:27):
like, hi, I'm Amanda. What'syour. And your dog's name? You're
like, let's cut straight tothe point. What is this sweet, ethereal
being's name?
Yeah, this is who I want toknow. Yeah, this is my actual neighbor.
You just take care of them.
Yeah. Yeah. Priorities.
Anyways, we have a lot for theend of episode this week.
So much it's rich. There'salso some late breaking news.

(53:51):
There is some late breaking news.
This is at the end of theepisode. If you don't listen to the
end of the episode, you're notgoing to know this. So I'm just telling
you this is just a plug toalways listen to the end because
you might get some hot gossipdeets. We've also got a pitch to
the sharks. I don't know ifthat made it into the episode proper
or not.
It's somewhere in there. Also,you didn't even use your newsy voice
when talking about the latebreaking news.

(54:12):
When's the last time I used mynewsy voice?
It's been a minute.
I've almost forgotten my.Well, there's my newsy voice. Ugh.
What is it? I was thinking ofmy, like, butchered transatlantic.
It is. I think that's it.
Late breaking news, Mary.Okay, hold on. Wait. I'll do it now.
Redo. This is why we don't dothis live. Late breaking news. Bloody

(54:32):
Mary. The lamb cap Succubusfluid aficionado is loose in Savannah.
Listen to the end of theepisode for more details on that.
Perfect.
And with that, have a great weekend.
Thanks for creeping with us.Thanks for listening and as always,
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Please see the link in ourshow notes to learn more about how

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the show with your fellowcreeps and or ghosts.
I beg of you. Also, fun fact,can you wink? Because I can't. It's
not like, like, I can do whenI wink. Like, you know how people
can like flirty wink. Ben isgreat at a flirty wink. I cannot

(55:36):
flirty wink. I'm like, hey,oh, like, like an old timey pirate
and not a good one. Amanda,her eye got. Other eye got really
big when she winked. Like, theother one opened more and it alarmed
me, which is why I cackled.All I think of, we were just.
Talking about ArrestedDevelopment and there's an episode

(55:57):
where she winks and it's the best.
I've seen that one. I've seenthat part. Like a clip of that. This
is all end of episode fodder,if you will, but, like, what a treat.
Okay.
I had to look at a picture of it.
Perfect, Perfect. I love thatfor you. So he went to visit G while
he was in Wisconsin to visithim. So when he went, I'm just like,

(56:20):
I'm having a hard time readingthe words I wrote. I don't know.
He went to visit him inWisconsin when he went to visit him.
Okay. Gidding and Colby werethere, but we're not sure who else
was there. Sources vary.Amanda is trying so hard to keep
straight face right now.
I can't.
I cannot. Okay, I'm gonna sayit again.

(56:42):
I have Mary in the room withthem. I don't know why.
Oh, my gosh. She just needs tobe in, like, everything, just very
tiny.
Can we edit her into everyhistorical photo now?
Oh, my gosh. Beautiful. Ofcourse. Like, she's just gonna be
there. I also do think that weneed to have Mary Merch. Like, we
need to have a T shirt of heror, like a big sweatshirt. I would

(57:03):
rock a fucking big merrysweatshirt. You know, I'm half like,
I want a photo of her and halflike, I could do a quick drawing
of her. I don't know which oneI want. Maybe both. I don't know
who could say, is.
It pre being in our pocket or.Or after?
Oh, my God, you mean when shewas a dirty girl? Or before, which

(57:24):
she wasn't even dirty. Herpaint was just wearing off.
We tried to bathe her how many times?
Yeah, we bathed her so manytimes and she just got dirtier. And
Ben was like, like, do youthink the paint's coming off? And
you and I were like, didn'trealize that was a thing that could
happen because, like, itwasn't as though she's a toy. She's
meant to be played with. Like,why would she be so fragile? She's

(57:47):
a succubus on the prowl forfluids. You would think that she
could handle the world anyway.
Literally now.
Literally. Okay, so Mary wasbought. This is at the end of the
episode. If you don't listento the end of the episode, you're
not gonna know this. So I'mjust telling you this is just a plug
to always listen to the endbecause you might get some hot gossip.
Deep Mary, the real one, thereal haunted bloody Mary, OG Real

(58:10):
quote unquote from ebay, waspurchased by a haunted museum in
Savannah. Our friend Ineka,when we saw her in Florida, she told
her friend about this, and hewas like, oh, yeah.
And, like, immediately boughther while we were getting tattoos.
It was wonderful.
While we were getting tattoosof ghosts. Mary also got a tattoo

(58:30):
while she was there. You justcan't see it. It's very tiny. It's,
like, up under her fur. Youknow what I mean? Anyway, anyway,
so she was purchased as onedoes. You ship the haunted item,
and it's marked as delivered,but it is not there. Her package
is missing. So bloody Mary,the lamb cat succubus fluid aficionado

(58:52):
is loose in Savannah, andshe's prowling for fluids.
I expect this to make the. Thenews, national news.
Oh, my God. Can we make likea. I want to make, like, a news alert.
Breaking news.
Breaking news.
Mary's lucid. Savannah on theprowl for your fluids. In my head,

(59:14):
I wanted to make a littlenewsroom and, like, you know, put
the. The pages together and belike, we have breaking news.
Oh, you were gonna be like,we're newscasters. We'll be like,
this. This just in. BecauseI'll have to have Ben hand me paper.
Like this just in.
And then on the bottom of thescreen, it's just, like, out. Mary
wants your fluids in all caps.

(59:34):
A tickler. No, no, the. Underthe tickler. It's like local blood
banks, missing blood testingfacilities. Find urine samples are
missing. Milk truck hijacked.Just, like, all different types of
fluid. News at the bottom.Fluid news. Flus, if you will. Okay,

(59:56):
we're never gonna finish this episode.
No. This is gonna be ninehours long.
Okay. Okay. So then he'straveling down that chatty hoochie
on a train. God damn it. Yeah.And they're very, very serious about
not wanting you to park incertain stretches. There'll be, like,
18, 000. No parking signs in a row.
We can post a video.

(01:00:16):
We saw that, like, on twodifferent occasions when we were
driving from St. Augustine toCasadaga on the highway. On the highway.
Even I wouldn't think to parkon the highway, but it was hilarious.
I'm assuming it's truckersbecause it was kind of after rest
stations. But, like, I feellike they didn't need to have that
many signs.
I hope that everywhere hasthat many signs for everything.

(01:00:37):
Now that would be annoying.
No excuse.
You saw the sign and it openedup my eyes.
Ace of Ace. The events were inDelon. I'm saying Delano. The events
were in Deleon Springs.
It's gigantic as Bruturfiusall over again.

(01:00:59):
The events were in Dela.
Now you've done it.
But after they had looked atall of their. Why am I adding words?
I told you, it's just today.We can't read something about today.
We can't. Parallels. That'show you say it. A mouthful of rocks.
What was that? Oh, our alkalilake monster manster. Because you

(01:01:19):
know us. I was gonna say welove history, but Amanda categorically
is not a huge history fan.She's like, I'll talk about it, but
I don't love it.
I am interested in it. I just.I just get bored.
It's one of those things wheresome people are like, I just can't
hold the facts. Like, I can'tretain the facts, but I find it interesting
and I like to learn about athing and then I file all that information

(01:01:43):
away and I say to myself, youhave notes on this, therefore you
do not need to remember it. Sounless it's something that I access
a lot and talk about a lot,the information's gone. So for a
lot of the cases that wecover, I have like a surface level
of information, like,available to my brain generally.
But to know any type of like,deep fact, unless it's something
we talk about a lot, I'm like,oh, it's. Yeah, it's in deep story.

(01:02:05):
Yeah, 12 year old boy math.
Yeah, 12 year old boy math.I'm good on.
You know, and also, maybe I ammarried to a history nerd and all.
Yeah, he does is watch history documentaries.
Yeah, no, never.
And they're all monotone.They're all monotone. And it's so
boring.
And Mike is like an NPR girly,though, like, oh, yeah, absolutely.

(01:02:26):
When I drive the car afterhim, he blasts NPR like it's music.
Like, I get in the car and I'mlike, what? The.
Like, I like npr, but Iwouldn't say I've blasted. I just
like the idea. He's, like,bumping. You know what I mean? Like,
he's just, like, in their vibeinto it.
It's loud as. Yeah, yeah, perfect.
Okay. They're like, oh, myGod, I have a vision. Let's get in

(01:02:49):
a wagon.

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