Spooky Travel: Flagstaff's Hotel Monte Vista

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everyone. Today we are goingto chat about one of the most haunted
hotels in the country, andit's called the Hotel Monte Vista.
It's located in Flagstaff,Arizona, and it's off of historic
Route 66. This hotel is on anumber of haunted hotel lists and
even on the haunted bucketlist locations on many of the little
ghost maps. Have you seen those?

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They're so cute. They're so cute.
I'm obsessed. Yeah. And Inoticed when I was looking at them,
I'm like, oh, my gosh. Thishotel is on so many of them.
We've done a lot of the thingson those little mappies too.
We have. We have. So if youare looking at those maps, listen
to a lot of our spooky travelepisodes, because it includes a lot
of those. I'm in Arizona,right? We all know I live in hell.

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Well, I actually did go tothis hotel many years ago, before
I knew its history. I knew itwas haunted, but that's all. I knew
nothing about it. And I willsay, I did have a long night because
of the strange vibes.
Hmm. Hmm.
We went up for, like, a snowday and stayed there overnight. And
I went with my family and afew friends. And, yeah, all night

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we were like, this is weird. Ikeep hearing this. Or, like, I just
feel like someone's watchingme. I do not remember what room I
stayed in. I don't remembermuch about it. I think I have some
old photos of it. But now I'mlike, oh, I can't wait to go back.
Yeah, yeah, that's fair. Itdoes sound interesting. I hadn't
heard of it before we had donethis, but I was like.
Ooh, and Flagstaff is superfun. There's a bunch of, like, little

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shops and coffee shops, youknow, my favorite. So I love going
there.
I do like, a place with littleshops and coffee. That's just, like,
a little moment.
Yeah, that's my dream, is justto have a coffee in hand and go to
little weird shops.
But anyways.
Okay, so let's start with thehistory of the hotel. In the 1920s,
tourism was on the rise inFlagstaff and Arizona. In general.

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And a lot of locals realizedthat they needed something new in
order to meet the growingdemand of the people visiting. So
they're like, we need a placefor these people to stay. The current
hotels at the time were a bitoutdated, and so they needed a way
to also stand out. So they'relike, we need something to catch
people's attention. So inorder to do this, they decided that
the best way to fund thisproject would be to do a big fundraiser.

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And so In April of 1926, theystarted their fundraiser. Prominent
citizens invested prettyquickly, along with a novelist named
Zane Gray. Within a month, thefundraising goal was reached and.
And they made $200,000 intoday's money. That would be about
$3,600,000 in a month.

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That's interesting. I alsodon't think that today that would
get you a hotel.
No, no, Nowhere.
Yeah, yeah. Unless it was in aplace that was very rural, I don't
think it would get you one inthe city.
No. Now, ground was broken onJune 8th of 1926, so, like, quick
turnaround time. They startedthe fundraiser in April, and then

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they were already starting thebuild June 8th. Right. Pretty quick.
Their plans for the hotel werefor a 73 room hotel and that they
were going to incorporate twoexisting structures. So I think that
that would have saved somemoney too, if they're like, we're
going to use these twobuildings that are already here and
just like make it into one big building.
Makes sense.
Now, the structures that werealready there were the post office

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and that had opened in 1917,so it wasn't open incredibly long.
And then the other buildingwas used for the Coconino sun newspaper
company. And now that. Thatspecific area, from what I saw, is
the Monte V cocktail lounge.So that was what the old building
now is. Hmm.
Okay. So April, they'refundraising. The hotel opened on

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New year's day of 1927, sowe're not even a full year later.
Yeah. Now, when it opened, itwas called the Community Hotel. Cute,
but a terrible name for a hotel.
You're very judgy about hotelnames, though.
I am incredibly judgy withhotel names. And I just refuse to
believe that that is a goodhotel name. I just don't think it's

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good. Because the CommunityHotel is bizarre. Because it's typically
not the community that'sstaying in the hotel. They live.
They live there. That's wherethey live.
Yeah.
It should be the non communityhotel, if anything. And that's also
a bad thing. Oh, the strangersHotel. What a vibe. I like it. That's
way better than the CommunityHotel. Anywho, okay, so they named

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it this because they wanted tohonor the donors of the project.
I still think that that was abad idea. I think they also agreed
because they changed the nameto Monte Vista, meaning Mountain
View. And they actually pickedthis because they had a naming contest.
Which one? I just love theidea of that. Hell yeah. Have a naming
contest, but you have to stickwith it. But the person who submitted

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this Idea was just 12 yearsold. So change to Monte Vista Hotel.
That cute. I love it a lotbetter. For decades, the hotel remained
the longest publicly heldcommercial property, but it did sell
to a private investor in the60s. Now let's just talk about some
of the notable things thathave happened in the hotel formerly
known as the Community Hotel,now known as the Monte Vista Hotel.

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Yet I can't say a single word.You know, Anywho. So you know what
I'm thinking, when we'retalking about a notable hotel, we're
obviously going to talk aboutclassic haunted hotel stuff like
the fact that it had a role inthe early days of radio broadcasting
and Flagstaff. That's justyour standard haunted lore, is it
not? Of course. So in 1927,Mary Costigan, who was the second

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woman in the world to begranted a radio broadcasting license,
moved to Flagstaff to assisther brother and business partner
in running the Majestic OperaHouse, now known as Orpheum. When
her brother's health declined,she took over and established a 25
watt radio station backstageat the Majestic Opera house. Then
just two years later, in 1929,she moved the station to the Monte

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Vista and upgraded it to ahundred watt radio station that aired
three hours a day. And thefirst broadcast had an audience of
about 400 residents. And sheran her show out of room 105, which
I do love the idea of that.But can you imagine being a person
in the next room and you canhear how a person loudly talking

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and being like, hello, welcometo I'm just imagining a very slow
jams jazz stat. And a personis very loudly playing slow jams
jazz. I mean, like, hello,welcome to the jazz time. And it's
very loud for some reason. Idon't know why, but it is. Anyway,
she is running her show out ofroom 105. And I say casually, but

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it was impressive forconsidering that time period. It's
like 1929 and she's running aradio station out of a hotel room.
Okay.
Yeah. And I mean, women'shistory too. Like she was one of
the first to be able to dothis. So I think that's kind of fun.
Yeah.
And strange that it was thehotel, but I guess like it's easy
to get space doing thatnowadays. You'd rent like a room

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in one of those big buildings,you know, for people that do various,
what, spa treatments? I'veseen dog washes, all kinds of stuff.
Oh, like an industrial parkkind of deal.
Yeah. Before it was just letme rent this hotel room to do my
three hour radio show.
Fascinating. Love it, love it.That's what we'll do. We'll run true
creeps out of a hotel room.
We should, we should justtravel to all the haunted hotels

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and do an episode.
I say that jokingly becausehow can cute would it be if this
took three hours every week?That's all it took. It was just.
Well, if we were just doingthis live and saying nonsense, we're
just dealing with our shit forever.
Yeah, yeah.
So under this hotel there is asystem of underground tunnels that
is accessible from severalbuildings in the area, including

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the Hotel Monte Vista. Thecreation of these tunnels is widely
debated, which I thought wasinteresting. You would think you
would be able to easily findwhy these were built, but that's
not the case here. There arelots of rumors though, as to why
the tunnels were built. Whenyou look at the hotel's history page.
One rumor, and I think thisone is one of the common rumors,

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is that they were originallybuilt by Chinese immigrants in the
early 1900s. And unfortunatelypeople were peopling and they were
not treating the Chinesepeople very well and even may have
blamed them for some firedamage that happened to many of the
buildings that were downtown.So the rumor is that they created
it and used these tunnels toget around.

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Interesting.
Kind of a sad reason.
Yeah, yeah, it is very sad.And it's also horrifying that you
would feel like you would haveto use underground tunnels to be
able to safely exist whereyou're living or anywhere. Frankly,
that breaks my heart.
I read one when I was lookingfor history and we're going to talk
about why some of this is justup in the air. But they were saying

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that a lot of them were movedout of the area for a while and let
everything like everyone gettheir shit together and cool down.
And then they came back, whichagain, so sad.
Yeah, it's awful.
Now, according to NorthernArizona University, the college there,
who also has tunnels under thecampus, the tunnels were actually

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built to transport heat fromsteam plants to various buildings.
And it looked Like, a lot ofthe tunnels were built at different
times. They also said thatChinese residents may have helped
with the construction, butthey were built for a different purpose.
So Flagstaff's pioneer museumcurator, Joe Meehan, says that the

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tunnels from a mill to thesteam plant downtown were incredibly
small, and they likelycouldn't have fit grown men. So perhaps
a lot of them were built fordifferent things. Some were big,
some were small. That's mytakeaway from it.
I'm always fascinated by anunderground network of tunnels of
unspecified origin or purpose.

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Yes.
Just generally, I'm alwaysgonna. I'm always like, tell me about
this tunnel.
Right. And Meehan did say thatthere were several larger tunnels
under several of the streets.And one that he specifically called
out was Babbitt's DepartmentStore and Babbitt's Garage, and they're
on the southeast corner of SanFrancisco street and Birch Avenue,

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which is pretty close to thehotel. And they were built in order
for the bookkeepers and otherstaff to pass between the two buildings
during snowy weather, and sothey could move around important
documents and books withoutthem getting wet.
That makes sense. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, looking at someof the pictures of the tunnels that
are still online, though,like, I wouldn't really want to walk

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down there, but. Okay.
Yeah, fair.
Now, so it seems like thereare various tunnels. Some of them
had various purposes andreasons why they were built and how
large they were. So it's justthere's so many different ones.
Yeah.
Now, most of the tunnels todayare typically used for storage and
pipes. Others have beenbricked over and closed.

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There are lots of rumorsabout, obviously. Right. We've got
unknown origin. You gotunknown origin. We're going to fill
in the lore. So there's alldifferent types of suggestions, ideas
as to what they were used for,including the manufacturer, selling
and use of alcohol and drugs,gambling, and sex work. There's been

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some evidence of some of thesepossible activities found down there,
like alcohol bottles and slotmachines and gambling tables. So
we're pretty sure about thegambling part, but we're not sure
about everything else.
Yeah, yeah. And the alcohol prohibition.
Well, yeah, I'm like, thegambling kind of comes with the alcohol.
Right.
Like, people are like, I'mcompletely sober and gambling away.

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Here's all my monies. Take it.
Yeah. But, yeah, likely leftover from Prohibition, and we will
talk about it later, but thehotel was featured on some haunted
TV shows, and there was onethat actually goes down into the
tunnel under the Monte Visa.The cocktail lounge opened up during
the Prohibition era under theguise of a newspaper publishing house.
And rumors suggested thatduring this time there was a major

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bootlegging operation and evena speakeasy in the space. Local authorities
stopped it, however, in 1931,but it was able to reopen just a
couple years later in 1933,after Prohibition ended. There was
a light on top of the buildingthat acted as an emergency signal
in the town in the 1930s. Soit's a little bit unclear whether
it was a light or whether it'sthe neon sign that's up there and

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that they would use that as analert mechanism as well, but we're
kind of unsure. But it wasused to alert authorities and citizens
of hazards and catastrophes inand around the area. And this seems
so much better than once anhour being like, hey, there's been
no murders. Everything's allclear. AKA calling the hour, which
we talked about in ourHammersmith episode. It does make

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sense, too, that they would beusing on something on top of this
building since, like, if thearea was small enough where they
were looking for a place tohouse incoming tourists, at the beginning
of that, it kind of boom thatthis would be one of the tallest
buildings, I would imagine.
Yeah. And, like, if it was asign, it's a pretty prominent sign.
Like, it's still there today.And that's like what you think of

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when you think of this hotel.
Oh, yeah, yeah. When youthink, like red ish, red yellow hotel
sign, it is this. It is likeclassic old hotel.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Now,let's talk about some of the known
guests of the hotel. I alwaysam fascinated by, like, who stayed
there and who was the talk ofthe town when they were staying there
at the time.
Yes, yes.

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So in the 40s and 50s, Westernfilms were gaining popularity. And
during the filming of thosefilms, several celebrities stayed
here. So they'd film in thearea or outside the area, but this
is where they'd go to stay. SoJane Russell, Gary Cooper, Spencer
Tracy, John Wayne and BingCrosby were known to stay there.
Now, some other notable names.Bob Hope, Michael Stipe, and he's

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the REM vocalist, Zane Gray.He's the one that helped get the
hotel built and also spent aton of time at the hotel. He also
mentions the hotel in some ofhis stories.
Nice.
Michael J. Fox has stayedthere. And then my favorite. Many
people probably don't know whoshe is, but Susie sue from Susie
and the Bansheets stayed there.
We've talked about her inanother episode too.

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I think probably I'm obsessedwith Her.
I love her.
And so, like a lot of theother hotels that we've talked about,
there's been some movies, TVshows, things like that that have
included the hotel in it. Oneof the biggest ones was Casablanca,
Forrest Gump. And then it'salso been on a lot of, like, spooky
travel shows, like TravelChannel's Most terrifying places
in 2019. It was the topic ofportals to hell in 2021, which I

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didn't know existed. I hadnever seen Jack Osborne. Talk about
spooky shit. I thought thatwas interesting.
I don't think I've seen thatshow, but I've watched another show
where he's basically sharingwith his parents. Spooky shit.
Okay.
I've watched it with. WhenBen's mom came to town, we would
play cards and watch that.This is also related, but unrelated.
They talk about cryptids inthat other show. So it made me think

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of this. Someone has madeTikTok accounts for cryptids.
Oh, no.
And of course, there's aMothman, and he's like, what's up,
flock? When he starts it andhe's got a selfie stick and he's
camping. And then there's alsoa chupacabra one. There's a werewolf
one. There's a Loch Nessmonster one. They are, in fact, AI.

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They're very clearly createdby, like, I don't know if a person
wrote the script and then hadthat video done by AI or if it all
is AI, but I am amused at thefact that they have their own tikt
generally.
I love it. I love it. So acouple other paranormal shows that
have included this hotel isGhost Adventures and then Most Terrifying

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Places in America in 2019.
Nice.
It's real spooky.
Yeah. Certified spooky. Onemight say. Certified. So let's talk
about Monte Vista Hotel.Today, the hotel is listed on the
US Registrar of HistoricPlaces. So the hotel has 73 rooms,
and within the three floors,there's suites there as well as the
hotel seems to embrace theirghost stories, and they're even on

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their website. Love that. Tellme about your ghost lore. You're
going to draw more people in.You're going to have your people,
and if they don't want ghosts,let them know.
Yes. Yeah, I love it becauseit's like, on their history page.
They include it after. They'relike, oh, by the way, these.
Are our resident ghosts.
This is their background.
Honor them. I love it. Solet's talk about the hauntings in

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room 220. This is known as the.
I hate this.
I'm gonna give you a pause.I'm gonna pause really quick. Just
guess. Guess what this room is called.
You won't guess.
You won't guess it, but I wantyou to try, just take a little guess
also. Just message us what youguess. I want to know. I want to
know what you guessed becauseit's wrong. Because it's nicknamed

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the Meat man's Room.
I. I read that and I was like,what the fuck? Yeah, no, thank you.
No, thank you. And what I hatethe most about that is that it makes
sense. Like, is that it's a.It fits with the. There's a reason
why it's the meat man's room,and it's because there was a long
term guest that would hang rawmeat from the chandelier.

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I hate it so much.
I'm gonna take a moment andI'm just gonna let us all process
that he hung raw meat from thechandelier. Like, why? Where was
that meat from? Why? Why?
I can't. I can't even get past that.

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I will just pause and say, myfirst apartment in Mount Vernon,
fourth floor, walk uptownhouse, cool little place. Except
the guy beneath us, hisapartment, when he would open the
door, smelled like an open airmeat market.
Oh, no. Was that the resident?
That was the meat man's room.We didn't have chandeliers, so I

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don't know what he was hanginghis raw meat from, but it certainly
smelled like he was hangingraw meat in there.
Anywho, wouldn't you be mad asthe hotel owner, though? You're like,
yeah, I'll rent you a room.What the fuck are you doing in my
room? You're hanging meat.
Hey, what if you didn't? Yeah,because someone's gonna clean that
now. There's raw meat juicesall over it. Also, again, I just

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need to point out we're sayingmeat. Are we specifying the origin?
Is this beef? Is this chickencutlets? Is it?
I hate all of it.
It's all bad. But somehowchicken breasts me up even.
More than anything else. I'mthinking, like, bloody meat.

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Yeah. No, no. I originally wastoo, but then I thought about chicken
cutlets, and it makes it somuch worse because it's salmonella
as well. You could eat prettyraw meat, but not poultry. I'm gonna
assume that it's a red meat.Anyway, he's hanging red meat. Now,
unfortunately, this man diesin the early 1980s and he was found

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dead in his room. So he wasnot found right Away. It was estimated
that he was found about threedays after he died. And that's horrific
and sad. It is, it is.
But also, I just think of the.The room itself.
Yes. The other part of it is,presumably there was still meat hanging
from the chandelier of unknownage and origin.

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And.
And I'm sure that had a smell,and I'm sure the people who work
there were used to the smell.So if there was a new smell that
was similar or it wasstronger, they might not notice.
But still sad. But it's like,oh, no, just the. The factors are
making this difficult. Yes. Sonot long after he died, a maintenance

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worker was in there working onsome repairs. I'm going to assume
he was taking down thechandelier for a deep clean. Frankly,
probably everything. Yeah. Andhe needed to get a new fixture and
had to leave the room. When hedid, he locked up and turned the
lights off. A few minuteslater when he walked back in, the
TV was on at full volume andthe sheets on the bed had been ripped

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off and thrown around theroom. Bizarre, right? Today, some
guests have reported the TVdoing strange things. Some people
hear coughing and laughing.Some people even hear disembodied
conversations. Some say theysmell the raw meat. You know, I don't
like a ghost smell, but that'sthe worst one.
Yeah. Give me the cigar smellany day.

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Oh, yeah, like police, please.
The old perfume.
Like the old perfume. Oldcologne. Okay, sure, sure. But I
guess my thing, too, is, like.I guess I can sometimes get caught
up in the details. I generallyfind, you know, with my hobby of
smelling raw meats, that rawmeat doesn't really have so much

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of a smell unless something'swrong. Right. So I do think I simply
would vomit. I would justvomit about it. So housekeepers have
walked into the room and haveseen the chandelier swaying. And
according to the hotel'swebsite, they have. Okay, so take
a moment. Prepare yourself forwhat I'm gonna say next. Okay. Because

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we've got a lot of questionsand a lot of comments.
We do.
We do. Okay. Per the. I lovethat the hotel puts this on there.
You can't be mad about it. Wefucking warned you. They have reports
of, quote, cold male handstouching guests in their sleep.
Yep. So the specific quotefrom the hotel is, today it is common

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for the television to act onits own accord, as well as reports
of cold male hands touchingguests in their sleep. That's a direct
quote from their website.Okay, just so we're out there. First
off, what?
That's Way too casual.
That's too casual. Also, Iwant to understand how they know
their cold male hands. Sothese guests can differentiate male

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versus female ghost hands.
Yeah, I'm actually.
They get this ability.
I have such a specific answerfor this. I've solved it. I've solved
this problem.
Okay. Okay.
Are you ready?
I'm ready.
Okay. So you're a person whostayed in the meat man's room 2:20.
The chandelier has swayed.You've been woken up by male hands

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touching your face. You'relikely not going to scribble a note
down and write this out andhand it to the manager. You're going
to call, you're going to talkto someone. This is going to be a
verbal conversation. And therewere male hands touching me in my
sleep. However, the hotel justheard it wrong. It was male M A I
L. And they had envelopes intheir hands as well. They were rubbing

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envelopes on their face.That's what was happening. That it
was just parcels, envelopes, aUSPS stamp, if you will. They were
sticking stamps on their face.That's what I'd like to think.
Okay. Okay. Well, the thingis, is it doesn't specify. It doesn't
specify where.
Oh, no, I thought face, but Iguess, look, they're just getting

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touched with envelopes, Iguess hands and envelopes. They're
male hands. Hands holding mail.
What I thought of. What Ithought of is your ghost facial massage.
Yeah.
Because, you know, you're an expert.
Yeah.
So do you think that you couldtell the difference between male
and female ghost hands on your face?

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Well, I would know if it was amale face massage because I'd have
paper cuts from the envelopes.I'm so tickled with myself. But like,
like, I'm so amused here. Butobviously fucking not. I mean, also,
really, we need to give likea. We have to give a sex to the hands.

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Is it that important? If I'mbeing touched by something that is
not there? Well, I'm probablynot gonna like it.
Yeah.
And after that, I don't thinkI really need to have too many details
because anyone can have big orsmall hands.
Like, I think this is the oneroom in the hotel that I'd be like,
actually, can I get adifferent room? Like, I don't even

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want to deal with any of this shit.
None of this is a whimsicalhaunt. It smells like rotten meat.
The chandelier that washaunted by that fucking meat, its
entire life is traumatizedtrying to air itself out. Something's
Touching you with envelopes.Nothing good is happening in that
room. Unless that's whatyou're into. Which, no. No judgment.

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But you know what? Maybethat's for you. Maybe the meat man
is for you. I love that. Thathe could have, you know, an alive
counterpart. Who's into it.Now, I will just say, I just think
it's possible. Maybe the ghosthad envelopes in its hand. Maybe
it had the little sack ofletters, okay? Maybe it had some

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stamps, and when they werebeing touched, they were being stamped
with those stamps.
That sounds about right.
That's definitely it. That'sdefinitely it. Because that's the
only way that it would makesense. That's for someone to say,
male hands. Male ghost handswere touching me. That makes more
sense than being like, thiswas a man. A man's ghost hand.

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This is where you can stay.And you can.
Me.
Not.
Not. I. Not high. I'm good.No, thanks. I just do need to mention,
what the fuck was the meatdoing? All that chandelier. What
was the purpose of it?
I don't fucking know. Was he,like, aging it or something? I don't
know. Meat grosses me out so.
Well, I was thinking maybe hewas cooking it.

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Like, could he be on the chandelier?
Well, maybe it was hot becauseit was. The glass got hot from the
lights. I don't know.
The only thing I was thinkingabout is, like, yellow jackets, you
know, like, they'd hang to,like, let it bleed out.
But what's he letting bleed out?
Why?
I don't know. I don't know ifthat's what it was. You hang meat
from a chandelier? Also justfound out I don't know how to spell

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the word chandelier.
That's a weird word.
Oh, now, look, I don'tgenerally like that Google gives
me AI search results at thetop of it. But sometimes it is useful
because here's what it toldme. It said, meat aging or artistic
or decorative purposes.

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I'm happy that I said aging,like I knew what I was talking about.
Now, it did say, ifconsidering hanging meat for aging
purposes, it's crucial toensure a safe and controlled environment
to prevent spoilage.
And so not the hotel room.
It says, not a commonpractice. In summary, the most plausible

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reasons for hanging meat froma chandelier are for meat aging or
artistic expression.
If that's your artisticexpression, I'm worried.
Yeah, I am dead.
I'm dead. I just.
The Meat Chandelier by Nathan.
What? There's a book?
No, there's an Artinstallation. It's called the Meat

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Chandelier on the charcuterieproject.substack.com I don't know
what else is on that website.Don't go there. I don't. I mean,
I can't tell you. I'm justtelling you what came up when I put.
Why would you hang meat on thechandelier? I gotta go. I gotta.
I gotta exit out of this. Thispart of the Internet. I'm gonna start
to see strange things. Nothinggood is gonna come from here.
Okay, so then let's just moveon and explore another room.

(27:30):
If I can. I might come back tothis. I cannot guarantee I'm not.
It's haunting me.
It's three hours of non.
Right Live.
Now. We gotta leave that joke in.
Yeah.
Beginning, so it makes sense.
Anyways.
Okay, let's move on to theroom that would probably scare the
fuck out of me. This would be,like, the scariest room for me.

(27:51):
Specifically, before you saywhat it is, would you stay in 220
or this room?
I think I'd still stay in thisroom. I can't. No. Meat smell.
Yeah, no. Like, the meatsmells the worst. I go back to Faliska
before I stayed in the meat room.
Same. I'd stay the night at Villisca.
Like, at least I got pushedand I was awake.
Yeah. Anywho.
Anywho. Tell me about this room.
Okay, so room 305. It is saidto be the most active room in the

(28:13):
hotel. Now, people havereported seeing a woman in the rocking
chair near the window. Andeveryone knows how I feel about rocking
chairs. Especially rocking ontheir own.
I mean, fair, though.
No. No. Thank you. So hotelguests and even employees have said
that the chair does move onits own. Also, people have heard
knocking sounds coming fromthe closet. Unsettling.

(28:36):
I don't like that.
Sometimes while you're stayingin there, the lights will flicker.
And other guests have reportedthat their covers have been pulled
off.
That just feels rude. That'sjust disrespectful.
Oh, you were sleeping. No, you weren't.
Oh, you thought. You thoughtyou were sleeping.
Just watch me rock in myfucking rocking chair. Do not sleep.
Look at me. I'm rocking outand you're gonna be a part of it.

(29:01):
I will say one thing. Theghosts are not allowing you to sleep
here. They're like, if you'rein this room, you're here for me.
Baby, I'm bored. Notice me.
Yep.
I can just say that there's ahaunted hotel where you go and you're
like, I'm gonna sleep andmaybe investigate places and then
there's a place where you, youdon't sleep. You're doing your investigation.
That's what this is.
I'm not gonna try to sleep.

(29:21):
Yes.
In the room where there'sknocking from the closet because
I'm not going to sleep.
I would move the. I would movethe rocking chair somewhere else.
I wouldn't be sleeping. I justwouldn't be sleeping there. I'd be
like, we're investigating.That's the purpose of me being in
this room. I'm not gonna tryto relax. That can't happen there.

(29:44):
No, no.
So in this particular room,the hotel says there was an elderly
woman who had been a long termrenter that would sit by the window.
But they didn't have a namefor her. And we also couldn't find
one in our research. Somesources say that she was waiting
for her son to come back fromwar and she would watch him out the
window. That feels just veryold timey. Yeah. Will my insert male

(30:08):
relative ever come back fromwar? And just as looking outside,
I feel like that's if you'vegot a woman ghost. People are like,
well, she's waiting for someman to come back from war. That's
the only thing she could bedoing. Looking out that window that
are looking for her baby.
Oh.
Oh. I mean, we have talkedabout how we want ghosts to break
the glass ceiling, you knowwhat I mean? Of haunting and be able
to just have a better originghost story. Let's do that. I think

(30:30):
that we could do a little bitbetter than she literally spent her
entire life looking out awindow waiting for her son to come
back from war. Not saying thatshe couldn't be concerned or worried.
She just liked that chair.
Yeah. Surely she was doingmore than that. Was she reading a
series of great books? Was shewriting a novel?
She was complaining about themeat man.
I mean, honestly, maybe shewas sitting by the window because

(30:51):
it fucking smelled because,you know, 305 is not going to be
next to 220, but it is goingto be like up and a little over,
you know, so the vents maybe,you know, like maybe she's on the
other side. Maybe the meatchandeliers under her room. I don't
have the blueprints. There's alot of reasons one could be near
a window. Look, maybe. Maybeshe was smoking pot near the window.

(31:13):
You know what I mean? Justblowing it outside. I don't know
who could say? Some people saythat she's watching for her son.
I don't know. I feel like shecould do better. The restaurant manager
Genie said that many of thesestories have been orally passed down,
and there isn't much, ifanything, written about them. So,
again, you're. We get intothese classic tropes. I am more inclined
to believe the meat man originstory because why would.

(31:38):
You make up that story?
Who and why? That's just toospecific. And those are also highly
unpleasant things toexperience. Look, I think I'd be
okay if they were based on thefact that it smells like meat and
the chandelier moves. We thinkmeat was hanging from the chandelier.
That feels like a reasonableguess, even if we were never really
sure of the lore. But arocking chair moves. It's probably

(32:01):
an old woman looking outside,waiting for her son to come home
from war. There could be somany more things. Anywho, Jack Osborne
even asked Jeannie, like, hey,like, why isn't there much written
in newspapers about this? Andwhat she said was that the stories
were passed down orallybecause since this hotel was in an
affluent area and they weretrying to draw tourists, they weren't

(32:21):
gonna write about the deaths.They weren't gonna write about all
the weird shit happening. Theyweren't gonna talk about the guy
with the meat chandelier. Imean, fair. Fairish, I guess. Also,
there are a lot more deathshappening at hotels than. Than we
generally know about. One ofthe things that we've talked about
before is that it is actuallypainfully common for people to go
to a hotel to take their ownlife because they don't want their

(32:43):
family to have to find them.And doing it in their life is harder
than doing it elsewhere, you know?
Yeah.
Again, if you know thatthere's more death in hotels generally
and you're not seeing iteverywhere, you can assume that,
yeah, it actually ishappening. We're just not knowing
about it, and no one's talkingabout it because the businesses don't
want you to know that.

(33:03):
Yeah. And, like, we are drawnto haunted hotels, but not everyone
is. Some people refuse to stayin a hotel that is said to be haunted.
So between that and then,obviously, bad stuff happening in
your hotel, you don't wantthat everywhere. That's going to
hurt tourism. And back in theday, especially if it was, you know,
a affluent area where peoplecould control some of that stuff

(33:26):
being said.
Mm.
That makes sense to me. So,yeah, when I watched the episode,
it seemed like many things inthis hotel are orally passed down.
All of the stories are, andthere Isn't much written. So that's
why we don't have a lot ofnames of who was staying here, who
the meat man was, who thewoman in the chair is, who.
The meat man was.
And there's more that we'lltalk about where I even looked. Like

(33:47):
I scoured, looking for policereports or anything that I could
find on certain individuals. Icould not find a thing. So very weird.
Yeah.
Anyways, now, there was avideo that was featured on Portals
to Hell that was taken in thisroom, and a man named Hollis Centriole
was filming with his kids inthis room. They were playing with

(34:07):
a Ouija board. And he said,quote, if you're here, move the rocking
chair. In the video. Itimmediately moved, and the entire
family runs out of the roompretty much screaming.
Fair. So fair.
Right now, the man wasgenuinely scared. I think, like,
he sounded terrified. And thenthe hotel confirmed that he checked

(34:28):
out in the middle of thenight. Now, on Portals to Hell, Hollis
came in and did an interviewback in the room, and he looked very
uncomfortable when he wastalking about what happened that
night. He almost, like, tearedup. So I feel like his fear was real
or he's just an incredible actor.
Interesting.
He mentioned that he reallydidn't believe in the paranormal

(34:48):
at all when they went. And hethought he was just going there to
kind of mess with his kids. Sohis kids had been watching YouTube
videos about spirit boards,and he's like, hey, why don't we
make a little trip out of it?Why don't we go to a haunted hotel?
We'll pick one up. We'll takea little vacation. We'll play in
the snow.
Oh, no.
And then we'll come back,we'll use the board in this supposedly
haunted hotel room. Well, itkind of backfired on him, Right.

(35:11):
The family had told all oftheir friends that they were going
to do this, too. And so aroundmidnight, they're like, hey, we'll
stream it to all our friends.They can watch. So not only are they
doing this and they getterrified. They do it in front of
people. When they startedstreaming, they were at, like, this
little table in the room, andthey had candles lit. Hollis says

(35:32):
that they had the heat on, butit did all of a sudden feel colder
right before it happened.
He didn't think anything of it.
Then he felt nausea coming on,and he's like, this isn't common
for me. There wasn't really areason for it. Okay, that's interesting,
right? Someone on their littlelive stream said, hey, you should
Ask it to move the chair. Sohe did. Now, when the chair moved,

(35:52):
the whole family does run out,and you hear the kids screaming and
you hear him just saying, holdon, hold on, hold on, like, while
he's running out after them.But his voice did sound panicked.
And I'm like, okay, you'redoing a livestream. I see that sometimes,
like, depending on who'swatching or what's going on, you're
kind of putting this characteron. But just his voice really did

(36:12):
sound panicked to me. Like apanicked father.
Yeah.
When he talked about it with,like, Jack Osborne in that show,
he was tearing up and talkingabout, like, how scared he was and
how he didn't know how toprotect his family from something
that can't be seen. So, like,his panic wasn't, I don't think,
because the chair moved. Ithink it was like, oh, my gosh, what
if it tries to do somethingand I can't help my kids?
Yeah. I would also imagineseeing your kids scared puts you

(36:35):
into a protective mode. So,yeah, even if you aren't necessarily
sure what you are afraid of,you are picking up on their fear.
So you're. The fact that youare terrified right now and running,
it's instinctual. You don'teven need to know what they're scared
about, I would imagine.
Yeah, yeah. Like, that's justa scary situation. So from what he
said is like, his familyrushed downstairs, and then he had

(36:57):
the manager come back up withhim to get all their stuff so they
could leave. And while theywere, like, packing it up, the manager's
like, oh, yeah, this happensall the time. Like, nothing. Huh.
Interesting.
Pretty scary room, I'd say.
Yeah. Yeah. So let's talkabout 306. Now, as a note, the red
light district was just abouttwo blocks from Monte Vista. So sometimes

(37:18):
people will bring sex workersto the hotel. In the early 1940s,
two sex workers were broughtto room 306. And while they. They
were there, they were bothmurdered and thrown from the room's
third floor window to thestreet. So since then, guests have
reported being woken up in themiddle of the night and not being
able to go back to sleepbecause they had the feeling that

(37:38):
they were being watched. Also,men who have stayed there have reported
waking up to feeling likethere were hands placed over their
mouths and throats and theywere unable to breathe.
That's pretty scary.
That's pretty fucking scary.That's very, very terrifying. And
also so horrible.
Yeah.
That those sex workersexperience that. That's disgusting.

(37:59):
It is. It Is. And that'sanother one where I'm like, surely
there has to be names somewhere.
Surely there has to be namessomewhere. But I would be shocked
if there was a news articleabout that because it would mean
that they were admitting thatthere were sex workers brought there
and that there were murders.
That's true.
So there's also someexperiences that people have had

(38:19):
that have kind of been indifferent places throughout the hotel.
For example, some guests havesaid that they would hear a KN knock
at their door and someoneshout room service. And they would
open the door and no one'sthere. Others would kind of look
through the little peephole oropen the door. Not quite sure how
they saw this, but they wouldsee the figure of a bellboy standing
outside of room 210, which isthe same gray room. So one notable

(38:41):
guest who reported this spiritis John Wayne. Apparently he reported
this happening during severalof his stays, but he said the ghost
seemed friendly and he didn'treally feel threatened. Interesting.
That's good, I guess. Yeah,yeah. So the bellboy is described
as having an old fashioned redcoat with brass buttons and has also
been seen just wandering downthe halls. He's the most important

(39:05):
spirit. We always have ourbloopers after the credits, but I
originally missed thatstatement. And just please listen
to the ad to listen to thehorror show that I made just by saying
one word wrong. But one, whenyou think classic bellboy outfit,
that. That's what I'mthinking. And two, you know, it makes

(39:26):
me unhappy to see a ghostworking at their job. Yeah, sweetie.
No, go home. Go anywhere else.
You don't gotta.
I mean, maybe that was hishome, but that hurts my soul too.
Don't live where you work. Anyway.
Anyway, I'm still thinkingabout that bellboy.
I'm so sorry.
Lindsay describes you with.
You're welcome. This is ascary podcast.

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Yeah, yeah, that would havebeen real scary. Okay, so let's move
on. Various places around thehotel that people have seen, felt,
heard scary things. Sometimesfurniture and empty rooms gets moved
around. So I imagine like thehotel staff is like walking in and
they're like, what is wrongwith this? Some have reported an
apparition of a woman roamingthe hallway outside of the 2002 rooms.

(40:12):
They didn't say what shelooked like, what she possibly is
doing, just that they've seen her.
He's just doing a little walk.Yeah, just doing a walk. Up and down
the walls, down the walls.
I was getting my hair donelast week and we were kind of talking
about haunted locations. InArizona. And one of the stylists
kind of, like, looks up, andshe's like, oh.
I have a story.
Her name was Jessica, but sheactually brought up this hotel. I

(40:34):
didn't bring up this hotel.And the funny thing is, is it was
the day after I startedresearching for this episode. So
I was like, oh, tell me more.But she says that she was staying
in a room, and she woke up tothe scent of someone blowing smoke
into her face. And she's like,it was so much. I couldn't see the
smoke, but it's like someonewas smoking literally in my face,

(40:54):
and it woke me up. She said itwas super strong and the scent, like,
surrounded her. And I'm like,that is an unpleasant.
Way to wake up.
Bizarre. She's like, I don'tknow why. I don't remember what room
I was in, but I just rememberwaking up and just being uncomfortable.
I would be pissed if anyoneblew in my face to wake me up. I

(41:15):
would be even more angry if itwas smoke. Hot breath on my face
is bad enough. It doesn't haveto be smoke on top of it.
Yeah, yeah. No, thank you. Sothat I don't know what room.
She was in, but I guess that.
Can happen there as well.
That's from the. The meatsmoking room. Oh, no, no.
She didn't say it was thesmell of meat. She said smoke. I
will take smoke over the meat, though.

(41:36):
Smoked meat.
No smoked meat.
I'm so over it.
My husband got a smoker, and,like, that is, like, his thing now.
No, I'm sure you guys will love.
It when you come to visit one.We do. Like, I'm not being facetious.
And then also, him and mybrother can bond over smoked meats.
Oh, God. Great. Love it.
I'll be somewhere else. Okay,so let's move on and head to the

(42:00):
basement. Talk about thespooky basement. Many employees have
heard an infant crying in thebasement, which is unsettling, right?
Yes.
I don't know if I've told you,but have I told you the story of
the apartment with the babycrying that we lived in?
It sounds familiar, but Ican't place it. Yeah.
So, like, in the middle of thenight one night, we're all asleep,
super late. It had to havebeen. My mom and I, from opposite

(42:24):
ends of the apartment, get upand start running to the living room
because it sounded like a babycrying. A newborn baby. Like, very
loud baby. And there wasnothing there. And, like, we checked
outside. We checked because wehad, like, a patio and the front
door checked. Both. Like.Like, did someone fucking lose a
baby or leave it somewhere? Nobaby. But we both from opposite ends,

(42:45):
opposite bedrooms, jumped upat the same time because we heard
a baby crying.
Dislike?
No. I hated that apartment.Now for the hotel basement. There
isn't a reason that we couldfind about why a baby would be down
there crying. But there's someodd stories that are likely just
weird legends of some of thesex workers that had gone to the
hotel and perhaps one of themhaving a baby and it dying. I don't

(43:09):
know, though. That just seemedlike they were just trying to something
up to make this make sense.But either way, it sounds horrible
hearing a baby cry in a darkbasement. Now, others believe that
there could be children thathad lived in the area during the
early days of the hotel andthat they may have died either from
an accident or possibly anillness. And so perhaps they were

(43:31):
just. That was like, a funplace to be. I don't know. Some have
heard laughing down there aswell. So at least it's not always
a cry.
None of this is good.
None of it's good, though.
Yeah, disembodied laughingfreaks me out, too. This is all like,
hey, what's the mostunsettling haunting behavior bit,
as the kids say. Yeah, yeah.
And in the basement, too.

(43:52):
Yeah, not in the basement.
You know, like, if it was in aroom, it would just feel different
than the basement. Now, thereis one story that we read where a
maintenance worker was downthere and he heard a ball bouncing.
So then when the maintenanceworker went to investigate, like,
is someone down here? Why isthere a ball down here? He found
nothing, but he could heargiggling around him.

(44:13):
That's interesting. There is ahotel here. It's the Lord Baltimore
Hotel. And I went on a ghosttour, I don't know, last year or
two there. And they actuallyhave a ghost that, like, on one of
the floors. It's like, one ofthe things they often hear is the
sound of a rubber ballbouncing. Like, it's a common sound.
And there's like. I believethere's a painting of a child with,
like, a red ball up therebecause of it. Oh, interesting. And

(44:35):
that is, like, one of theirmost common hauntings. But that's
a cool spot. We might stop bywhen you're here because it's an
interesting little space.
Okay, yeah, that sounds good.So another story that we saw that
happened in the basement isanother staff member reported feeling
a small hand grasp her fingerswhile she was working in the basement,
but she was alone no one wasdown there with her. That reminds

(44:56):
me, though, of Aliska.
Yeah, yeah. And Lexi holdinghands and whatever was happening
with me. Yeah. Some peoplehave also reported seeing a shadow
man in the basement near thetunnel. And when he's around, it's
apparently terrifying becauseyou'll just be walking around and
you'll feel something behindyou, and then you'll turn around
to look because you just feelsomething. And there's a six foot

(45:19):
tall shadow just lurking.Absolutely not. Again, just. They're
like, hey, we heard you likeghosts. We're gonna ghost. We're
gonna, like, go so fucking hard.
Yes. Yeah. Any of the tunnel,like, just tunnels are unsettling.
No matter what they were usedfor or what hotel they're in. You're
always like, a littleintrigued. Like, is someone in there?

(45:39):
Who is it?
Yeah.
Who's left in there?
Yeah.
No. Thank you.
So let's go back to thecocktail lounge. We've talked about
it a few times, but we talkedabout history at the cocktail lounge.
But let's talk about hauntingsnow. So guests and employees have
said that they've seen atransparent couple dancing in the
area. And when they see them,they're wearing formal attire and
they're smiling, so they'rehaving a good time. That's kind of

(46:01):
sweet.
I like that. That's good. Yeah.
Yeah. That's one of thosethings where if you're thinking of
different types of haunting,that feels like an echo of a moment
more than like a haunting.Like, it's just on a loop. Yeah.
But another thing that peopleexperience. So in 1970, three, men
robbed a nearby bank. Duringthe robbery, a bank guard shot one
of the three robbers. Now,after their robbery, they were like,

(46:25):
hell, yeah, we just robbed abank. Let's celebrate and hide out
at the Hotel Monte Vista. Sothey're in the bar, and the guy that
was shot ends up bleeding outwhile having that drink. So that's
very sad that he died. Don'trob eggs. But sad that he died. Now,
just as an interesting note,because lawyer Lindsay simply cannot
resist saying this. So felonymurder, if someone dies when you

(46:48):
are committing a felony withother people, it is felony murder.
So the other two men could bearrested for murder, like felony
murder because the guard shottheir accomplice during the robbery.
Isn't that wild?
Interesting.
Yeah, it's because when youcommit a crime like that, it's just
more likely that there will bea death. And this way, it's a good

(47:11):
deterrent for robbing banks,if you will to be like if one of
you dies, even if someone elseis shooting back at you.
Yeah.
Even if one of you dies notfor one another doing it.
Murder.
Wild. Anywho. Yeah. So peoplein the bar have been greeted by a
man saying good morning. Andthey think that it may have been
this robber.

(47:32):
I like that he's polite.
Yeah. I was like, at least.He's like, you know what? I'm not
gonna let my little death makeeverybody else not have a good time.
You're in a bar, let's have agood morning, you know? Yeah. So
also, barstools and drinksseem to sometimes move on their own.
And even sometimes people seea bottle or a drink just go flying
off the wall or bar again,just like quintessential haunting,

(47:55):
you know?
Yeah.
People have seen a half bodiedapparition standing at the bar. Now,
this is a little different.Some people see the figure of a ghostly
cowboy. They say he appears tobe almost solid at first. And he's
wearing a wide brim hat withold fashioned clothing. They see
him sitting in the chairobserving the people around him.
But then he just disappears.And he's like, why don't you all

(48:16):
have cowboy hats on? What areyou doing?
Right.
Other things that peopleexperience there are just the general
feeling of being watched. Oneof these spirits could be the bank
robber. But people also thinkthat it could be the spirits, the
people who drank and gambledin the building. And we've talked
about this before, but maybeit's somebody who wandered up from
the tunnel.
Maybe. Yeah. Or I mean, ifthey had a good time there.

(48:38):
Yeah. You don't have to move.
That was one of their favoriteplaces to hang out. They may have
gone back. Another thing toois for that robbery, I sat there
one night, I was like, oh, Ireally want to find something on
this robbery. Could not find athing. It looks like there's a museum
and some like, old newspapersthat you can look at there in Flagstaff.

(48:58):
But I couldn't find anythingonline about that specific robbery.
Interesting.
Yeah. But my thought was like,maybe Jeannie is right and perhaps
the people were not wantingany negative press out there. But
it just seems weird because ithad a specific year. So I feel like
in 1970 is a lot differentthan like 19, the year the hotel
opened.
Yeah. Yeah.
It was kind of strange. So,Lindsay, would you visit the Hotel

(49:23):
Monte Vista?
I think I would visit, but Iwouldn't sleep there.
No, I would love to, like, goand have a room and do an investigation.
Like a nighttime investigation?
Yes.
Or get two Rooms, get one ofthe haunted ones to investigate,
and then one of the rooms onthe other side of the hotel to sleep
in.
There's just no sleepingthere. I wouldn't sleep there.
No. I mean, he slept in theElms just fine.

(49:45):
Yeah, but the Elms didn't havethis. Like, there wasn't a meat man
touching you with envelopes inyour sleep.
I don't think he travels rooms.
I don't think he has in thepast, but it wouldn't be the first
time that we experiencedsomething that other people haven't,
you know? So I'm like, I'm good.
They're like, did you have anice rest last night? And you're

(50:06):
like, actually, I didn'tsleep. I was afraid the meat man
was gonna come to my room.
Yeah. I was a bit worried thatsomebody was gonna give me paper
cuts in my sleep with theirmale hands. I will die on this joke.
But, I mean, I have stayedthere before. I don't think I experienced
that. I just felt like it wasactive. Like the energy there is

(50:26):
a bit different.
Yeah.
So kind of a fun place. Ifyou've stayed there. We want to hear
about it. We want to know, didyou experience anything? Did the.
Did the bellboy crawl on thewall? You'll know that after you
hear the.
The end of our episodeanyways, but.
Did you experience thebellboy? Did you experience a shadow
person? How'd you feel in thebar? Did you see a weird cowboy man

(50:48):
that wasn't actually there?Tell us, because I am fascinated.
And, I mean, this is only,like, I think an hour and a half
away from me, so. Yeah,perhaps I will take a little trip
to where it's not as hot.
Yeah. Yeah, that feels fair.
Now, if you've stayed in anyhotel that was creepy for whatever
reason, and you have storiesto share, we want to hear them. Please

(51:08):
reach out. Also, we're notquite there, but we're getting there.
In October, we have ourlistener episode. And we would love
to include that in ourlistener episode then. Or if we end
up covering that hotel, we'lladd it to that, if you're okay with
it.
Yeah. And you'll also notethat pretty much from here on out
till we get to October, we'regoing to remind you, send us your
spooky stories. Any of yourspooky stories. We want to share

(51:29):
them on our listener episode.You can share an audio recording
of it, or you can also justsend it written and we'll read it
for you. You can send it anonymously.
Or with your name. Yes, please.
It's all on our website on howto do it.
It is. It is. Also, if youhave a spooky spot that you'd like
us to include in our spookytravel series, we want to know that
as well. I am fascinated byall the places, especially like in

(51:50):
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You know it.
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the show with your fellowcreeps and or ghosts.
I beg of you.
Yeah, that's my dream, is justto have a coffee in hand and go to
little weird shops.
That's literally what we didwhen we went to Salem was we just
went to various coffee shopsand then went to little shops all

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day. A treat.
I went to Puerto Rico lastmonth has been a month, maybe two
months ago. I don't know whenthis comes out, but they grow their
own coffee there and thecoffee there I brought back like,
like five or ten pounds,something some outrageous amount
because now I'm like.
The freshest of fresh.
This tastes so much better.
I bet.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm obsessed. I brought homecoffee and a dog. You know the norm.

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As one does. As one does.
As one does. No one has beensurprised by that. But I took a dog
off of an island.
Not a single person issurprised by this at all. Certified
spooky. Oh, my gosh, Amanda.That's gonna be our thing. We're
gonna make a stamp, and it'scertified spooky. And we'll put,
like, just, like, the hotel,like, whatever. Certified spooky
from True creeps stamp it.Yeah. And when we go to visit places,

(54:22):
we can bring them, like, aframed, like, plaque, and it's like,
hey, congratulations. You arecertified. You're a true creep. Certified
spooky.
Oh, my God.
Feel free to display this. No,I'm not kidding. Like, I think giving
a place like a plaque, like,oh, no. Hey, by the way, we've researched
it. We've looked into it.
It.
We've experienced it. You are,in fact, certified spooky. So congrats.

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After we stay there, we shouldsend them that.
Yes. Yes. We should also sendit to the Elms.
Yes. Yeah, the Elms. Melissacan have one. Yeah.
Velisca can have one. We'llgive one to the lighthouse because
they definitely need that fromus. Treasure chest can have one from
us everywhere we go. Certifiedspooky. Love it. Love. Somebody was
like, you guys should do liveepisodes. And I was like, you should

(55:08):
be quiet. I was like, youhaven't listened to the raw audio.
Where suddenly I'm mid speech,and it sounds like I have marbles
in my mouth for no reason. Noreason at all.
Say tangents that have nothingto do.
With anything, that you'rejust committed for the ride. Like,
if you're cool with it, thenyou're cool with it. You know, we

(55:29):
could fill three hours withthat. We could fill three hours.
Well, we'll take a littlepause mid thing. Start shopping.
Who knows what we'll buy? Whoknows what we'll take a look at?
Who could know?
Yeah, who could know? Whoknows where we'll start? Who knows
where we'll end?
We don't even know sharks.
Do you want three hours ofunfiltered, unedited live chats with,

(55:54):
you know, loosely about spookytopics like. Like, we'll start there,
but we're gonna talk about alot of things.
We're not gonna end there.
We're not gonna end there. Imean, like, no, we'll circle back.
That's scripted when weactually end there, though.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We don'thave a like a producer. There's no
one being like, knock it thefuck off. Amanda and I are just like,
yeah, you tell me about thatweird thing. I'm gonna talk about

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something else now too. Let'sjust do that for a minute or so.
We're the producers.
We're the producers. We run this.
Hold on, don't we. Didn't weget an IMDb credit for our producer?
Oh, hell yeah, we did. I waslike, I think we did. Are we fancy?
Yes. We are writers. Oh, no,no, sorry. We're writers, directors
and actresses.
Oh, yeah. This is all acharacter. This isn't who I actually

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am.
We're voice actresses.
Oh, yeah. This is all made up.This isn't real.
But yes. So serious. Threehours of unfiltered nonsense. Yes.
That's what people want.
Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it'swhat that people want. What we are

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missing, that's what we'remissing. It's three hours of unfiltered,
unedited nonsense where weloosely talk about what we've researched.
Yep. And then a lot ofshopping, a lot of looking at houses.
We say shopping, we meanlooking. We're not necessarily buying,
we're just looking.
And the weird that we've seenthroughout the week. Lots of dogs,

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lots of cats. Yeah, we'll givethe people what they want.
That's what they want.
Okay. We have a lot of end ofepisode stuff already.
Yep. You know it.
Thirteen minutes in. Okay.
The bellboy apparition isdescribed as having an old fashioned
red coat with brass buttonsand also has been seen just wandering
up and down the wall.

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The halls. Not the walls. Thatwould be terrifying.
Walls. Wandering up and downthe walls. Wandering up and down
the halls.
I just imagine this bellboy.
I'm gonna scurrying up anddown so bad. Like I said, it's so
terrifying.
Never mind. I'm not going there.
I just imagine likeNightcrawler but like in a bellboy

(57:59):
costume. Okay. That needs togo on the end because that is funny.
But I'm gonna resay this. I'mnot gonna let my death stop everybody
from having a bad time, a goodtime. Okay, man, Are you a bad time?
Yeah. Hello, man, Is thisChicken Cutlets?

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