St. Augustine Lighthouse Investigation

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Episode Transcript

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Listener discretion is advised.
Hello, everyone.
Today we are super excited totell you about our first investigation
from when we were in St.
Augustine.
I am so excited.
I am, too.
It feels like it was 7,000years ago, but it was not.
No, it really wasn't.
But we've been going throughso much footage for the past couple

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weeks.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It seems unending.
Well, and we also.
We wore mics this time aroundso that we could have better audio.
And that meant that we thenhad to listen to, like, hours and
hours of audio on top of itand listen to it slowly to see if
we caught anything that wedidn't catch with our ears.
Yes, yes.

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So that takes time.
Boy, does it.
But I actually.
I really liked going through it.
Cause I was like, I remember that.
And then I just also realizedthat I'm just chronically unserious.
I realized how many tangentswe go on when we're on our own.
Even, like, we're not eventalking to anyone and we're still
going off on random tangents.
And no one's replying either.
Oh, I'm just being goofy.

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Yeah, I'm just a goofy gal all around.
I don't need an audience to be goofy.
I'm.
This is my natural state.
There's one.
I forget what video it's in,but I, like, turned to Ben and I
was like, she's unhinged.
Oh, I think it was when.
I think it was when Lexi and Iwere talking about gators and ghosts
and we're, like, laughing very hard.

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And if you want to hear thatall of our nonsense and goofiness
from this investigation isgoing to be after the credits.
So it'll be a longer after thecredits section.
Today we named our trip Gatorsand Ghosts.
Bangin and clanging.
And so it's how we came upwith that, but also just how many

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times we said the phrase aswell, just banging and clanging.
So today we are going to shareclips of our investigation.
And now they may be at adifferent level, but than us typically
talking because we can't doany editing to it, otherwise it can
mess the clips up.
So just a heads up, it maySound a little off.
It may sound a little low orhopefully not too high, but they're

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gonna be sprinkled throughoutthe episode today.
So our first investigation wasthe St.
Augustine Lighthouse, which isa fun time, and hence why we did
the episode on the lighthouse.
Yes.
Before we get into ourexperiences, we wanted to discuss
the different tools that weused while we were in St.
Augustine.
The first tool that we usedwere EMF readers.

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And EMF stands forelectromagnetic field.
So that's what it's reading.
And it's believed that ghostscan also cause a reading on these
devices.
The tricky part, though, whenusing one is you need to keep it
away from your electronics oranything that has an electricity
flow, because it can set themoff as well.
That's why they exist in theworld, is to do testing for electricity

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and such.
So, yeah, when you're usingit, if you're holding your phone
very close, you might begetting false positives.
Or if you're in a more modernbuilding that has electricity in
the walls and you're near awall, could be that.
So just something to keep inmind if you use them.
One of the things that we'lltypically do in a space before we
start is for science.
For science is what we callit, is where you walk around with

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the equipment and go for science.
I actually walked around withLexi, and we were, like, testing
all the equipment while theother one was recording.
We went for science and thenwould make the thing go off so that
you saw what it looked like when.
When something interacted withit and you saw its natural state.
We would start by putting theEMF near the walls and seeing if
it did anything when there was nothing.
Yeah.
And we weren't askingquestions or purposely engaging with

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anything so that when it didgo off, it was clear that it was
from something.
Not just the wall being a wallwith electric in it.
Correct.
Yeah.
Another thing that we usedwere voice recorders.
And pretty much the same asthe name, it records voices.
And sometimes you can capturea voice that may have not been one
of the living people in theroom with you.

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And so we used a voicerecorder, and then we also used mics,
like Lindsay said.
Another new device that weused is called a poltertune.
And we bought this wall in St.
Augustine at Ghost Augustine.
So if you are nearby, I wouldrecommend checking it out.
But it's a music box that goesoff when it detects movement.
So it's nice because not onlycan you see it from far away, because

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lights go off, especially whenit's dark, but it's also fairly loud.
So it's a good tool that youcan leave in another room or like
on the other side of the roomfrom you because you'll know when
it goes off.
It also is creepy as hell.
Yes.
It plays this song.

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Isn't that creepy?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I love it, though.
But it was so much fun to have it.
I've used a different kind ofmusic box before when I was at the
Whaley house, and I reallyenjoyed it, so I'm really happy that
I have one now.
Yeah.
Another tool that we use isalso a new gadget that we have, which
is a Polter script.
And it's generally a newertool, but it works very similar to
a novelist and Amanda's talkedabout those before.

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But it converts environmentalenergy and changes it into words,
letters, or numbers.
You can see it.
It pops up as words on thedevice and it also says it.
It'll show you the last three words.
When we play clips of audiofrom the Polter script, we will let.
We'll typically cut inafterwards in, like, the audio recordings
we're going to play and saythe word very clearly so that you

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can understand it in the moment.
Our goal wasn't to record content.
Our goal was to have anexperience, and then hopefully we
could, you know, to have anepisode later on about it.
With that in mind, we want tomake sure that you can actually understand
with what it's saying.
And if we're jumping in withthe word, we also have a recording,
typically that shows what it said.

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So we're a hundred percentsure what it said.
The Pulcher script works inEnglish, so when I was buying it
from Ghost Augustine, the guywas like, hey, if you notice that
it says a few words that arerhyming, you might want to change
it from library mode, which isa library of words, to spelling,
so that it can spell things out.
So if it's in a different language.

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And then we also use theNecrophonic app, which is an app
that works on a smart device,if you will.
So it could be a tablet, itcould be your phone.
It doesn't ask permissions, soit shouldn't be able to hear or see
what you're doing.
Typically, the device itselfis going to be turned onto airplane
mode, so it can't interactwith things.
So what it does is it workswith eight sound banks to kind of

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cobble together sounds and words.
Like a spirit box?
Yeah, just like a spirit box.
So the audio is made up ofphonemes, partial Words, reverse
audio, foreign languages, andother parts of speech to help with
communication.
So it allows spirits tocommunicate using words and sounds.
And it sounds a little creepywhen you're using it, but it is a
great tool.
It is.
And I was super skeptical thefirst time that we used it.

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And I think it's just becausethere's so many fake phone apps out
there that are just nonsense.
And I don't know.
In my head, I don't.
It shouldn't.
But an app just sounds sillyto me.
But after we used it inVillisca and then also this time,
the responses that we havegotten that are very accurate and
there's no way of explaining it.
I'm a believer now.

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Although Amanda and I dobelieve in this stuff.
We don't believe in everything.
We do approach thingsskeptically because we're doing an
investigation.
We're not there to, like,prove our theory.
We're there to have an experience.
And we understand there won'talways be an experience, too, in
some haunted places.
Yeah, it's not.
You're not always going to getthe spirits to do what you want,

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which they don't have to.
Yeah.
When you have people who arekind of more in tune with that kind
of stuff and who know how touse the tools, AKA Amanda, she knows
how to use all tools.
I think it's a little bit morelikely that you'll be able to, because
if you're sensitive to it andyou have a means of communication.
Okay.

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Or when I went to Pennhurst,they have, like, a lot of.
They had people in our group,and there was this one woman named
Tiffany who was with Ben and Ifor most of the night.
And she described interactionswith ghosty things and such on devices
in a very interesting way.
And she said, yeah, I wasgetting a lot of intelligent responses.
And I was like, oh, yeah, likewe're having a conversation.

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They're answering a question.
What they're saying is inresponse to what you're asking.
It's not like you're like,hey, what color shirt am I wearing?
And it's like four.
Unless you had a shirt thatwas four different colors.
Very clearly four different colors.
Or a number four on your shirt.
Or it's like, what color shirtam I wearing?
And it's like New Mexico.
That's not an intelligent response.

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But when you are getting moreintelligent responses than not, it's
a bit interesting.
Or if they're all along acommon theme and more than one person
is picking up on that common theme.
But that being said, not everytime we used every tool did we get
an intelligent response.
Right.
Not surprising.
The other tool that we usedwas a Necrometer.
This is another app.
It's made by the same creatoras Necrophonic.

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And this one does a few things.
It detects EMF changes and thefluctuations of energy fields, and
it connects those with words.
So again, similar to an olus,it has over 60,000 words.
And when.
When you say that it detectsEMF changes, again, I was very skeptical
because I was like, why woulda cell phone be an EMF reader?
That makes no sense in my head.

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But when I looked it up, Iguess a lot of cell phones do have
the ability to be turned intoan EMF reader, and I did not know
that.
So I was like, oh, I didn't either.
I discounted that a lot.
But there are a lot of sourcesonline that say that it could be.
So I'm like, okay, great.
And then I tested it the firsttime I used it along with my EMF

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reader.
Not in the same hand becauseit would, you know, ruin it, but
it got very similar readings.
Like when it would go off, myEMF reader was going off.
So I'm like, okay, maybe thisdoes work great.
Yeah.
Because there's a little,like, meter at the top where you
can see the changes.
Yeah.
Anyways, fun to use.
Yeah.
So we had a few differenttools that we used for actual word

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conversations.
Yes.
And I don't think we.
That they were nearly asactive in this investigation as a.
The other ones in St.
Augustine.
I do think we got a lot ofintelligent responses.
I think so too.
So we also got a variety of cameras.
So we had obviously phone cameras.
Right.
In one of our investigationsthat we'll talk about at a later

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date, we had videosurveillance cameras as well.
And then I also, like, the daybefore the trip, I was.
I went crazy and bought athermal cam because I was like, this
would be fun.
We had an abundance of tools.
We'll post a picture of allthe tools that we had with us.
There wasn't even enough timeto use every single one, but we were
like, we're bringing it.
Nah.

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Yeah.
Just in case.
I also brought a video cameraand I charged it the night before.
And I didn't bring it out forthe lighthouse just because we'll
talk about it.
It's very quick.
But for the next one.
The next day I brought it outand the battery was completely drained,
but it was a hundred percentwhen I left and it did not turn on.
So just interesting.
To consider.

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We also brought cat balls.
When they're moved, they flashcolors so you can see them in the
dark, which is great.
I also have one for my cat,and he likes it, he plays with it.
But I love that they're easyto see in the dark, so it's easy
to leave them around a darkroom, and then you can see when they
go off.
However, they're verysensitive, so if you do bump one,

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it will go off.
Or if it's like a floor thatmoves when you're walking close to
it, it'll sometimes go off.
So we normally put them downand then we do the for science, and
we walk by it a couple timesto see if we influence it or not.
Mm.
Yeah.
We also brought a laser grid.
It's literally a green lasergrid that you can see on a wall,
and it looks like a flashlight.

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So you, like, turn on thisflashlight, it puts a grid on a wall,
and it allows you to seedisturbances in the grid pattern
fairly easily.
So, like, if someone walks by,you know, someone walk by.
But also if no one walks byand you see something walk by, you're
like, okay, I really did see something.
Also, if you play the gamephasmophobia, you know that one very

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well.
It's also just lovely.
I love the vibe of it.
We have photos from when wewent to the Elms Hotel of that, and
then we have videos or photosof us using the laser grid at all
three places.
Yes, yes.
And then we also brought a REM pod.
And it's the best way I candescribe it is like a fancy EMF reader.
It also has an antenna thathelps detect any changes within a

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360 degree radius.
So instead of having to haveit in one little area, you kind of
get to see the area around it,if that makes sense.
This particular one that Ibrought has different sensitivity
levels as well, and it has anoption to detect significant drops
in temperature, too.
So I had it on a sensitivesetting and I turned on the temperature

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detection as well.
And when this one's activated,it lights up and it makes a pretty
loud sound.
And, like, the closer you getto the antenna, the more intense
it gets, so you really know ifsomething's near it.
And it did go off at thelighthouse, so we'll talk about that,
too.
So because we'll be talkingabout the lighthouse today, we want
to do a quick refresher aboutwhat we talked about in February

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for anyone that didn't listento it.
So you still understand what'sgoing on today.
This wasn't the originallighthouse that we visited because
the original lighthouse fellinto the ocean in 1880, and then
during the build for the newone, there was a tragic accident
involving three young girlslosing their lives.
We're going to talk about thema lot later.
There were also several otherdeaths that were confirmed on the

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lighthouse grounds.
And it's said to be a veryactive area for spirits connected
to it.
So people have seen themduring the day, at night, all over,
outside, inside, Just all overthe grounds?
Yes.
If you haven't listened to our St.
Augustine episode yet, we talka lot about coquina, probably more
than you ever wanted to talkabout coquina, but it does have limestone

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in it, and there is a quarryfor this right by the lighthouse.
So perhaps that has somethingto do with one of the reasons why
it's so active.
But we're not gonna do coquinatalk today.
So let's talk a little bitabout the tour we went on called
the Dark of the Moon GhostExperience, which included a tour
of the area, a few of thestories about what happened, and

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then we had some time to doour own stuff, so we did our own
investigation.
There was definitely morepeople than we expected on the tour,
but after the tour was over,again, we were able to do our own
thing.
So, Amanda, what were yourfirst general impressions when we
got there?
We'll go into more of ourimpressions on each location when
we talk about each location, too.
Well, I thought it wasbeautiful, especially, like, walking

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into the lighthouse itself.
I was amazed.
I thought it was so gorgeous.
While walking with the tour,though, there's a lot of people,
like you said, so I didn'tfeel much activity at first until
we arrived in this buildingthat was near the lighthouse that
held some old items.
That's when I started feelinga little bit.
And this building might havebeen like a museum exhibit because

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it had some old items andposters, perhaps where they take,
like, children on field trips.
I don't know.
But our whole group was inthere, and she was telling us a couple
stories, and I just felt likesomeone was behind the group watching.
And I kept looking up, like,oh, is there an employee about to
walk in or something?
I don't know why I keeplooking over here, but I had a hard
time concentrating on what shewas saying because I kept feeling

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like someone was walkingthrough that door in the back.
Hmm.
The other place that I feltsomething was once we got to the
top of the lighthouse, I feltlike there was an energy shift up
there, but again, like,nothing bad I didn't feel like it
was, like, too much or anything.
It just felt different.
Especially when you walk fromthe inside to the outside through
that door.
But I didn't see anything.

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I didn't, like, expect to see someone.
It just felt different up there.
And I'm not afraid of heightsor anything, so, like, I don't think
it was that.
Just rub it in, Amanda.
Just rub it in.
No, it's just some peoplewould be.
Like, rub your top of the lighthouse.
Not afraid of heights.
We'll talk about the.
We'll get.
We'll get there when we getthere, but just rub it in.
Well, no, I could see someonebeing like, well, you're very high

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up, and that's unsettling.
But, like.
Yeah, I don't feel unsettledby that.
No, I understand.
I was just being a shit,that's all.
Whatever, Lindsay.
So I would say that the mostactive area to me was the lighthouse
keeper's house and the parkacross the way.
And we're going to get intospecifics about both of those in
a bit.
Yes.

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So we knew there were going tobe other people on the tour, but
I was surprised at how manypeople there were and how many of
them were teenagers, which,you know, teenagers are teenagers.
So as we were doing ourinitial, like, walk about the grounds.
It's dark.
It's very dark.
Beautiful, but dark.

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It was hard for me to get agood read on whether I was feeling
like someone else was aroundor something else was around.
Yeah, because it is all very dark.
There are people who are onthis tour.
There was also another tourthat was happening that was before
ours.
So people were around.
My brain was just like,there's so many people.

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I don't know if I can do myscentsy stuff with this many people
present because I also feellike my.
My soul of souls was like,you're feeling very perceived right
now, therefore, it is hard foryou to perceive the things.
So before we get too much intoour investigations and all that,
we're going to share someclips we got from the other people

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who we did our investigations with.
And that's our small group,not like the whole big group of people
who were on this particular tour.
This is our.
Our small group of people.
We'll also list social mediahandles in our show notes.
But the first was Lexi.
We originally met her when wewent to Villisca.
We did meet her physically atthe Villisca house, although we had

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chatted with her before then.
She actually also justreleased her.
Her first book Last month, andit's called Colonial Park Cemetery.
And she's got more on the way,and we're so excited and we're so
proud of her.
We've posted it at least onceon our social media.
We'll probably post it moreand we're probably gonna do a little.
Little something with her onthat at a later date.

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So.
Yes, yes.
Maybe keep your.
Your ears ready for that.
But here's a clip of Lexi'simpressions of the lighthouse.
Hey, guys.
So, okay, first up on the listis the Lighthouse.
I don't really know that I gotto really form any first impressions
because we were kind of, like,surprised by, like, the number of

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people that were gonna bethere too, because we kind of thought
it was gonna be off season andthen also, like, the time restrictions.
So really I was kind ofthinking more about that, that I
don't think I really got tomake any, like, quote unquote, first
impression feelings about the place.
I don't really think thatanywhere in the tower itself self
stood out either.

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It was very cool to climb tothe top and see it and everything,
but I didn't get any kind of,like, vibes off of it or anything.
And then last but not least ismy husband, Ben.
I wrote his introduction.
So he doesn't know what's in here.
Will he ever know?
Who could say?
But.
So he's the ultimate cat dad,and he's a rugby coach for the Baltimore
Flamingos.

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Feral side, which he's veryproud of, and I'm very proud of him.
And he and I put a longtimenot listener, not first time caller,
because you've heard his voiceon here before.
But here is Ben's impressions.
When we got there, I was alittle bit creeped out about it.
It was really dark and notsuper well lit.

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I felt a little bit morecomfortable seeing people in the
gift shop and as people werecoming there on the tour.
But I got kind of an uneasy feeling.
But that might have just beenbecause I'm generally a little bit
scared of the dark, especiallyif I'm in a strange place.
I wasn't really getting a feelof anger or anything negative when

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we were at the Lighthouse.
I would say, if I had to sayany sort of feeling that I did have
was maybe sadness.
So once we were done with thestructured side of the tour, we were
able to walk up the lighthouseto let loose.
Let loose, yes.
Start banging and clanging onour own way.

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Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Now none of our shoelaces gottied to any of the staircases or
anything.
So I don't know if that's agood or a bad thing.
But as we were climbing, eachlanding had some facts about the
lighthouse.
And then some of theselandings had shadows painted on the
wall.
Disrespectful.
And it very much caught us offguard while walking up because we

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know the stories about peoplethat have seen all of the shadow
figures that, like, look downthe stairs or, like, lurk around
the stairs.
So the first landing that gotup to and saw the shadow thing, I.
I don't remember if it wasLexi or Inika that was in front of
me, but one of them, like,kind of jumped back, and then they
were like, oh, that's a painting.
So it was perfect.
I'm glad that I wasn't thefirst one, because I would have definitely

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did the same thing.
The top was super pretty.
We'll share a quick video.
I did, like, a panned video ofwhat it looks like from being at.
The top, which I very muchappreciated because I very bravely
and very graciouslyvolunteered to stay and at the bottom
of the lighthouse and look upto see if any shadow men were leaning

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over the railing.
It definitely didn't haveanything to do with the fact that
I am incredibly afraid ofheights and the fact that I have
been in lighthouses before,walked all the way up lighthouses
before.
And yet I got up, like, the first.
The first landing, and my legsfelt like noodles, and I was, like,
dizzy, and my entire body waslike, you cannot do this.

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You will not do this.
So I got the first landing,and I was like, amanda, I cannot
do this.
So when Amanda says we, she'snot including me in that because
I only got to the firstlanding before skittering back downstairs
and hanging out in the dark lighthouse.
But I did keep a vigilantwatch up to see if I saw any, like,
weird, shadowy things.

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And I was also, honestly, justbeing a little bit nosy and people
watchy for people who arewalking down to see if they said,
like, they heard or saw orfelt anything.
Yeah.
But I didn't see anybodysaying anything fun.
And it's so dark in there.
Oh, it's so dark.
Everywhere was so dark, whichI appreciated.
It made it spookier, but itwas surprising.

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It was a little unsettlinggoing back down without being able
to see the stairs below you.
Yeah, yeah.
And they said not to turn on,like, flash or anything because then
there's, like, little holes inall the stairs.
So, like, if there's aflashlight or something, it could
Blind someone or look crazy.
So we were trying not to, butit was unsettling.

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So we will share tons and tonsof photos from our trip, but I just
need to explain to you whatthese stairs look like.
So, spiral staircase.
Shocking.
Uranus lighthouse.
Of course, they're spiraled.
219 steps of spiral.
219.
And there's no back to the steps.
And not only is there no back,but as Amanda mentioned, there's

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little holes in the steps sothey don't even look solid.
Lace steps with no backing.
Just all the way.
Fucking up lace steps.
My soul was like, I will notbe doing this.
But.
So, yeah, beautiful though, outside.
And from what I could see onthe inside, I stand by my decision.

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Perfect.
So let's talk about thekeeper's house.
I did go everywhere in therethough, that they would let us to
specify.
Just as a little bit of a.
Recap, the keeper's house wasbuilt in 1876 and was in use for
the keepers and theirassistants until 1955.
The headkeeper lived in thenorth side of the building and the
first assistant on the south side.
And then there was these twosmall rooms that were left over between

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the two sides.
That was located on the topfloor between each of them.
And that's where the secondassistant lived for both the north
and the south side.
The bedrooms were located onthe upstairs, and each one had a
dining room and a parlor onlike the ground floor.
We did some stuff in there.
In 1888, brick kitchens wereadded along with a new roof.
The house became a rental fora little bit after the 1950s.

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And then in 1970, the househad been empty for a time before
it mysteriously caught fire,as all haunted places do.
And at that point, only thebasement and kind of like the charred
timbers were left.
The Junior Service League of St.
Augustine, an all volunteergroup, raised over a million dollars
and were able to renovate it.
But it took like 15 years to restore.

(25:15):
So it ultimately became partof the lighthouse museum.
But it wasn't originally.
So it went back and forthbetween being associated with the
lighthouse because it is very close.
Yes, we'll share pictures, butit's really pretty.
So let's talk about ourimpressions upon entering the keeper's
house.
So, Amanda, when you firstmade your descent into the basement,
what were your thoughts?

(25:37):
It was very dark.
Like you can't see in front ofyou dark.
And so when I first got downthere, I was like, I thought we were
alone down there because Icouldn't see anything.
So I actually pulled out Mythermal cam.
Because I was like, this ishow I can see if people are down
here with us or if there's ghosties.
So there's actually a video.
I think Lexi took it whereshe's like, behind me.

(25:58):
We walk down the stairs, andthen I turn on the thermal.
And I was like, oh, I thinkthis is the area where they see the
man.
And then on the thermal,there's like this tall guy standing
in the opening to the next room.
And you just hear Lexi go, oh.
And she immediately stops recording.
So I was like, if that was aghost, this one turned out to be
an actual man that was in theother room.

(26:20):
But if it was a ghost, Lexi.
Would have been like, nevermind, I'm dead recording.
I don't want this much proof.
Which, honestly, that kind offeels bare.
If something's that corporeal.
I feel like I would also kind of.
Nope.
If you will.
Oh, yeah, no.
Hate to Lexi.
I probably would have justbeen like, no, no.
I would have put my phone downand been like, I need a little bit
further distance.

(26:41):
Yeah, yeah.
Also so dark.
So, so dark.
I could not see anything at all.
So I also was surprised at howdark it was.
I have a video of us goingdown the stairs into the space so
you can see how dark it is.
Then we'll have that on social media.
We're not going to play thatvideo because it's just.
Just a video of us walking downstairs.
So, like, this is an audio thing.

(27:01):
What do you need that for?
But we'll have it on socialmedia so you can visualize how dark
it was when we were going downinto this.
So when we got down into the area.
So there was two sections ofspace, and there's the farthest space
where we were kind of set upin the back room in the corner.
And then after that, we set upin the front room.
But when we were in that backroom, the REM pod was set up and

(27:24):
it was going off in a way thatalmost sounded like Morse code.
I looked at the footage andnothing picked up the sound as full
as when we were there.
Even our mics didn't pick it up.
Yeah, it was weird because itwas like so clear.
And I've never seen a REM podgo off like that.
It sounded like an old timeyMorse code thing from a fucking movie.
I've never had that happenwith that REM pod anywhere else.

(27:47):
Nothing has made that soundbefore, which is really, really weird.
Yeah, let's just talk over andover about how dark it was.
But given the nature of whatthis tour was, that there were so
many people on it, I wassurprised it was that dark because
there's a lot of strangers around.
It just felt jarring.
We created an audience at onepoint down there.
Oh yeah, keep in mind we had atote bag, like a big ass tote bag

(28:12):
in like my backpack filledwith stuff.
So like we got down and we'resitting on the floor and we're just
unpacking, right?
We've got Big Mama with us.
She's there.
We're moving in, we're moving in.
And someone was like, you guysare equipped, I'm staying with you
guys.
I probably would do the samething if I was just like witnessing
things.
And she did kind of stick withus while we were there and just kind

(28:34):
of observe.
We didn't even get her name.
We were just like, okay, we'vegot a short amount of time, let's
get down to business.
So we just like spread out onthe floor.
We took over that back room.
We really did.
We really did.
So we're going to talk aboutthe experiences that we had down
the keeper's house basement.
But before that we're going toplay Lexi's impression.
Going into the keeper's housedefinitely felt different.

(28:59):
Not in a bad way, but not in agood way either.
Just felt like spooky andthat, you know, there was energy
in there, something going on.
I know we tried in thebasement first and we kind of got
a little like hit or miss stuff.
It wasn't really anything toolike, oh my God, this is happening
kind of thing.

(29:19):
I didn't really get any toomany impressions down there either
again because I think the timeconstraints, worrying about that.
And then we had also kind ofdrawn some people that were watching.
So it's just kind of like, ohyeah, these people are watching and
let's explain what we're doingand that kind of thing.
But not thinking too muchabout how things were going on vibe

(29:42):
wise or anything like that.
And here's Ben's for thekeeper's basement.
When we went inside anddownstairs, I was pretty creeped
out actually.
It was very dark.
It felt like there was morethere than just the people that were
there on the tour lookingaround and hunting around with their
tools.

(30:03):
I would say that in thebasement again, I didn't really get
a negative feeling, but I didget a feeling that there were three
things or something down there.
Observing everything going onand watching.
But to me it just very muchseemed like whatever was down There

(30:23):
watching, did not want to be found.
It seemed more like they werekeeping to the shadow, so to speak,
or to the peripheral and justwatching and trying to, I guess,
kind of lurk.
And so this next part thatwe're gonna play, remember I told
you when we have our polterscript, we're gonna cut in and tell

(30:45):
you what the word says.
But this was one of the firsttimes that I was really hearing it
go off this particular tool.
So it is kind of eerie in howmonotone it is.
You and Lexi were kind of onone side of the room, and then I
was with Ben, I wanna say, onthe other.
And then Inika was, I think,between all of us.
Like, she was kind of goingback and forth.

(31:05):
And I had set up where thekids table was, and I put the REM
pod there, and I put thepolter tune under the staircase.
And we'll play this too.
But the polter tune did go offafter I asked for them to touch the
red light, which I thought wasreally cool.
And it was so close.
So close.
Just as a note.
Generally when we're going toplay audio on here, if there's a

(31:27):
long space, we'll typicallytake the long space out.
But we won't take out if weask questions and there's no response
because we don't want it tonot be what it was.
But we will, for time's sake,not make you wait five minutes for
a response.
Right, Right.
So for this particular one,we're going to play in just a moment.
It there's no, like, takingout the filler time.

(31:49):
Also, you'll hear anothervoice in our recordings, and that
is Ursula.
She'll introduce herself.
And that is just to help youguys hear exactly what the Pol Poulter
script was saying.
Because we thought we repeatedevery time.
Not always.
So if you hear the voice, youknow who it is.
Salutations, hot cheeks.
I'm Ursula.

(32:11):
I'll be cutting into, let you know.
What the Poulter script said.
Don't worry, babe.
I'm not a ghost voice.
Keep stopping and going.
You like the music?
You touch the red light, it'llplay a song.
Was it moving a second ago?
It sure is.

(32:32):
You can play with it towardsthe brick wall you have.
It's within three feet of thefront because you can walk around
with it too.
I was like, let me make sure.
Yeah, no, I played with it a.
Little bit when I turned it on.
When I put the batteries in.
Like to play a game with us.

(32:53):
Who are you beside?
Right Right to your right.
To the right.
Me.
My name's Section.
What?
Right Section?
I felt like whatever you weretalking to with the Poulter script
was different than what wasinteracting with the music box and
the REM pod on the kids table.
I feel like that side of theroom was really light.

(33:16):
And then on the other side,when I walked over there, I think
I was helping Ben maybe put upthe grid, and I was like, this side
doesn't feel as nice as the other.
And it's not even, like, thebiggest room ever.
No.
But it was definitely adifferent tone on either side.
But you can tell the moment.
Lexi and I are like.
It feels a lot like this isreferencing Villiska.

(33:37):
Yeah.
It was terrifying.
There's multiple Alice.
That's pretty cool.
How many are with us?
Quad.
Four of you.
There's four.
It's a quoth.
Do you want to play hide and seek?
There's eight.
Bang, bang.

(33:59):
Bang.
It says seek.
Before that.
Kim.
Who's Kim?
Venus.
Venus.
Lesser.
Lesser.

(34:19):
Lesser.
Help.
What do you need help with?
Edge.
Etch.
Let's say bench.
Etch.
Labor.
Labor.
Trying to build something.
Spirit.

(34:39):
Spirit.
Farm.
Farm.
Do you see how it keeps, like, stopping.
But it wasn't doing that.
No, it wasn't during that.
Preacher.
Preacher.
Okay.
House.
Did you work here on the property?

(35:01):
Kate.
Hi.
Hello.
Evil.
Evil.
Salvation.
Yeah.
Jesus.
Ghost box.
That is a ghost box.
Yes.
I'm with you, evil preacher.

(35:21):
House.
82 years.
82 years.
Ghost box.
Yeah.
You.
Yeah.
You wear a mat, right?
How many years did it say?
82.
All right, 82.
Asin.
That's significant.
Has it been 82 years?

(35:43):
Tablet.
Tablet.
Tablet.
Do you want to draw?
Multiple.
Multiple.
Paralysis.
When things start referencingValiska, it makes me feel like we're
being played with, and I don'tlike that.
I don't like when it feelslike whatever we're talking to is

(36:05):
toying with us.
And that's what it felt likein that moment.
The energy that I experiencedin the basement had a weight to it.
It wasn't joyous.
I think so at times, for me.
It was just in the basement.
The impression I think I gotwas, like, it was bored, and it was
like, I bet I could mess with you.
Not malicious.
Just, like, bored and lookingto be entertained.

(36:26):
It got a rise, you know?
So the next thing we want totalk about is a little bit of a refresher,
but I promise there's a reasonfor it.
We're going to play a clipfrom our St.
Augustine episode that cameout a Little bit ago about the Pittie
sisters tragedy.
And you'll know why in a few minutes.
So here's the clip.
So when it first became knownthat the first lighthouse was going

(36:49):
to eventually fall, wementioned that they started working
on a new one.
And so the constructionstarted in 1871, and the superintendent
of lighthouse construction,Hezekiah Pitti, moved him and his
family to St.
Augustine to oversee the construction.
And they were all fromElizabeth, Maine, so it was like
a decent move.
Pittie's family included hiswife Mary, and their children.

(37:09):
Mary, adeline who was 15,Eliza, Edward, who was 13, and Carrie,
who was just four.
Now, children being children,they decided that the construction
site was a super cool playground.
They would also play withother construction workers kids.
So there's just kids runningaround all over this place.
By 1873, the foundation inabout 42ft of the tower was done.

(37:32):
And how construction workerswere moving the supplies was via
railway cart.
So what it would do is itwould move the supplies from the
supply ships and they weredocked at Salt Run, and then the
little cart would carry it tothe construction site.
So back and forth.
Yeah.
Well, to a kid, that wasessentially a cool roller coaster.

(37:52):
Right.
Like it's a moving cart.
I could see how that could be.
Yeah, yeah.
So the kids loved it.
And what they would do is theywould ride the cart down to the water.
And at the end there was thiswooden board, is the best I can describe
it.
And it would stop the cart atthe end.
So they'd like hit this pieceof wood, stop, get out and do it
again.
Okay.
Yeah, fair.
It sounds like how you wouldimagine it to work.

(38:14):
Yes, yes.
Now, on July 10th of 1873, thegirls were playing with an unnamed
girl whose father likely wasalso working construction on the
lighthouse.
And this breaks my heart.
And I, judging by the historyof the place, too, I think this is
why the only details that wecan find on the unknown girl are
that she was just 10 years oldand she was black.

(38:35):
That's it.
No names, no nothing.
You don't know who her father is?
Nothing.
I hate it.
Just that they guessed that hemight have been working.
And so that like, broke myheart that we don't know more about
her.
And then some other storiessay that there might have been five
kids total, but I haven't seenany other names that might have been
doing it.
So not sure.
I believe it was just the fourof them, though.

(38:55):
So the three Pittie girls andthen the unnamed girl.
The kids were riding theroller coaster Doing their thing.
However, this time it was different.
The wooden board at the bottomwas not there.
Oh, no.
So when they went down, theywent straight into the water, but
the cart flipped onto them inthe water, trapping them underneath.

(39:15):
And so Dan Sessions, who wasone of the workers nearby, saw it
happen and he ran to the water.
He jumped in fairly quickly,from what I understand.
And he did everything he couldto try to save the kids.
Yeah.
Unfortunately, by the time hewas able to lift the heavy cart up,
three of the girls had already drowned.
So the only survivor waslittle Carrie, the four year old.

(39:38):
Those poor kids.
Yeah.
So the town and theconstruction site all shut down for
the funeral of the kids.
Like everything just halted.
The Pitti family ended upheading back to Maine and they buried
their girls there.
And unfortunately, it'sunknown where the other little girl
was buried.
Some sources also said thather body was never recovered, but
I only saw that in one or two,so I'm not sure.

(40:00):
Other sources didn't evenmention her.
I hate that.
Which is heartbreaking.
They just mentioned the pity girls.
Yeah.
But I'm.
I'm pretty sure that there wasan unnamed girl there.
So a psychic who visited thearea once contacted the staff and
they said, hey, I might knowthe little girl's name and said it
might have been Ellie or Eleanor.

(40:20):
Cute, sweet name.
Yeah.
The St.
Augustine Lighthouse websitesaid that they have been continuing
archival research to hopefullyfind the answer one day.
Yeah.
So I'm glad that, like,they're at least looking for it to
see, like, can we find recordof her and talk about her too?
Yes.
Okay.
The reason we want you toremember the Pitty sisters and their

(40:43):
friend is because we believethat we may have interacted with
them quite a bit during thesenext investigations.
Yeah.
First off, we enter what isthe parlor room, and we actually
have a clip of us entering theparlor room because we may have had
an interaction there.
Yeah.
And so in this clip, it's me,Amanda and Ben.

(41:06):
So I'm just saying words right now.
You know my voice, but Amanda,you say some words.
I feel like they would know myvoice too, hopefully.
Right?
Hopefully.
Maybe.
And then here's some randomclip of Ben talking Pickle.
TT Theo.
Theodore.
Titi.
Marie.
Tiny.
Tina.
Picky.
Pick, pick, pickle.

(41:27):
Okay, here's the three voicesthat we were aware we were recording.
Now tell us if you hearanother voice and what you hear them
say.
We're gonna play it twice.
Oh, sorry.
Blast home with the hounds.

(41:48):
Hi.
Having fun?
Yes.
This is the parlor, guys.
Gorgeous.
Oh, sorry.
Bless.
Thank you.
Hi.
Yes, this is the parlor, guys.
Gorgeous.
Hi.

(42:09):
As a note, the three of uswere together with the entire group,
so it wasn't as though wewere, like, rejoining each other.
Yeah.
So one more time we're gonnaplay it.
Hi.
Tell us what you've heard,though, because we are intrigued.
So Lindsay found that clipwhen she was going through some of
the audio and sent it to me.
And I was like, who is sayinghi in this?

(42:29):
Because it's so high pitchedthat it doesn't sound like either
of us.
Now I do say, are you having fun?
To Ben in, like, a higher tone.
But I wasn't greeting himbecause we were there.
It was the first time that I'dhad, like, a moment to, like, ask
him when there was, like,relative calm around.
Even when I speak in a highertone, I don't think I sound like

(42:52):
a child.
Yeah.
And to me, this sounded like a child.
Yes.
Yes.
It.
It was interesting.
And we had all just walkedinto the parlor room, I think.
I don't remember if this cliphas me saying parlor room like, 60
times for whatever reason, butthere is one of those.
It might be in here somewhere.
But we walk in, it's extremelydark again.

(43:14):
And then we.
We are on a time frame, so wejust set up super quick.
We have no knowledge thatsomething may have talked to us.
When I was listening to theaudio, the hair on my arm stood up.
When I heard the high.
My body had a visceralresponse to it.
I need you to also keep inmind that we listen to hours and
hours and hours and hours of audio.

(43:35):
So we were listening to a lotof us talk.
It's hard for me to get behindthe idea that some random clip where
I sounded different would havehad this visceral response in my
body when I'd been listeningto myself talk.
Hi.
So let's talk about our impressions.
When we entered the parlorroom, again, for me, it was just
insanely dark.
And I had never been in there before.

(43:56):
So I'm like, I don't knowwhere anything is.
So we were looking around with flashlights.
At first, I will say thatthere was a big energy shift from
when we were outside walkingin, but it wasn't a bad energy, by
all means.
Mm.
Mm.
When I say it was dark, wecouldn't see each other.
The only things that we couldsee were, like, the lights from our
devices that we were holding.

(44:16):
At one point, there was a manin one of the other rooms, and the
only way we knew he was thereis because he was also holding, I
think, an EMF reader or something.
I also just do need to pointout that this man was, like, in his
50s or 60s, and he was byhimself, and he was so hyped.
Like, he was, like, so excitedto be there.
Which one?
I just genuinely love peopleenjoying things, but also just there's,

(44:38):
like, this older dude, andhe's like, I'm hanging out with ghosts.
That's gonna be us.
Was so excited about it.
Yeah, that's us.
It's us now.
For me, the space generallyhad a brighter vibe.
And when we went in, my headfelt kind of buzzy.
Like I was like, okay, there'ssomething here.
But good vibes only.
And knowing how it felt inthat room, it's not altogether surprising

(45:01):
to think that whatever we wereencountering may have been excited
that we were there.
Yes.
Yes.
And then here's Lexi'simpression of the parlor room.
When we went upstairs to theparlor, it was again, just kind of
like it felt like there wassomething in there maybe watching

(45:24):
us, but it didn't feel bad ornegative or anything.
And then once we got startedon the hide and seek, like, the shift
in the air was very.
I think the people that wereeven on the property kind of described
the hauntings there as being alittle bit more whimsical and a little
bit more fun, because itgenerally is the girls trying to
play hide and see seek, whichis what we ended up being able to
do, which was a lot of fun.

(45:45):
Here's Ben's impression of theparlor room.
Upstairs in the keeper's parlor.
That was a good bit of fun.
And I did feel some energy up there.
I did feel like there werethings beyond just the people up
there.
But unlike in the basement, Ifelt like whatever was up there had

(46:06):
a more playful, inquisitiveenergy that really wanted to interact
with the folks that were therearound them.
Maybe it was the children.
I'm pretty sure it was the children.
That was the kind of feelingthat it was, was lighter, a little
mischievous in, like, a fun way.

(46:27):
Like they wanted to playwhatever it was wanted to play and
just wanted attention.
And I think it seemed likethey enjoyed feeling like they were
included in a part of something.
14.
So once we got all set upthere, pretty quickly it seemed like
someone wanted to play hideand seek.
So let us describe this parlorroom to you.

(46:47):
Think of, like, a rectangularroom, and it had a couple windows
along one wall, and in thecorner, there's a little basic chair.
And then the window is almostTouching it, but not quite.
Like a little bit of thecurtain is.
And so what I did, becausenone of us were sitting on any of
the furniture or anything, isI put the polter tune facing the

(47:08):
corner where the chair was ora little bit of the curtain.
So if someone were to sit onthat chair, perhaps it would have
gone off.
If someone would have wentnear that window, it may have gone
off.
But none of us in our groupwere near that at all.
I was sitting in, like theback left corner.
Eniko was standing to the farleft side of the room.

(47:29):
Lexi was next to me, and thenAmanda and Ben were kind of moving
about, but they weren't movingin front of it, obviously.
No.
So pretty quickly we're goingto play this clip.
It seems like someone wants toplay hide and seek with us.
We catch on pretty quick.
So the way you play hide andseek with a ghost is you have an
EMF reader and first, youknow, we do our for science thing.

(47:49):
See if anything just randomlygoes off, but then you're walking
around and eventually when youfind whomever is hiding, it will
go off and then you'll restartyour game.
Yeah.
And how this was happening isInika was doing the Estes method.
I think we talked about it inour Villisca episode, but she puts
on headphones where she can'treally hear us.
Or it's very, very drowned out.

(48:11):
Because when she has thenecrophonic app on that's pretty
loud.
It's very hard to hearanything outside of the necrophonic
app.
Yes.
And so she puts it on.
And so when you hear hervoice, that's her telling us what
the necrophonic app says.
She doesn't know what we'redoing or saying.
But this was what Lindsaycalled an intelligent response.

(48:33):
Yeah, yeah.
You'll also note theinflection that Inika uses.
Typically when you're doingthis, you're not only repeating the
word, but you're repeating howit's said.
Because it's not just likeyou're hearing a monotone word like
you do with the poultry script.
It's got inflection.
Like you can often hear theemotion behind the words, which is.
Makes it even more intelligentseeming because it does seem like

(48:56):
a personality.
And when you're the personwith the headphones on, you're in
your own world there.
Yeah.
So it's a little unsettlingbecause you don't know who you're
speaking for.
You don't know how these wordsare impacting your group because
you don't know what they'reasking or what it means.
It's just random words to you,but from the outsider perspective,

(49:18):
you're like, this is a wholeconversation happening.
Yeah.
And because it was so dark,it's not as though she could, like,
read our lips or anything.
The clip that we're going toplay, it's about three minutes, but
it basically is the start tothe end of the game.
While we're in this room,who's in here with us?
Is there anything you'd liketo tell us?
Don't forget the children.
Okay.

(49:38):
The kids are here.
We're happy to.
Do you want to play?
You want to play hide and seek?
Yes, ma' am.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
We can play hide and seek.
Okay.
Yeah.
Hey, Ben, come back.
Yeah, they'll play hide and seek.
Yeah.
Okay, so grab the.
Grab the EMF reader.
So he's gonna grab that greendevice, and he's gonna count to 10.
Okay.

(49:59):
And then we'll play.
Hold on.
First.
How many of you are playing?
Oh, yeah.
How many does he need to find Mommy?
You and your mommy.
Hi.
Okay.
Oh, okay, Go.
So you're gonna go.
All right.
We'll come find you.
Stay downstairs.
Yeah, stay on this floor, please.

(50:20):
Yes, stay on this floor.
So you want to count?
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
Ready or not, here I come.
10.

(50:42):
Mom.
Well, there are two moms here.
They might want one of you to play.
Okay.
Do you want me to play?
What?
Lexi or Amanda?
I'm Amanda.
That's Lexi.
Play.
All right, let's play.
Let's do it.
Okay.

(51:06):
Are you having fun?
All right, I'm gonna count the 10.
Yep.
I'm gonna try to combine you.
Okay.
You gotta go find first.
All right?
All right.
And if we find you, you havego ahead and.
Gotta go hide.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.

(51:36):
This is yours.
Gotta hide, honey.
All right, 10.
Ready or not, here we come.
Where could they be?
Up over here?
Are you playing with Marybehind me?
Did we find you?

(51:56):
Were you in this chair or inthe curtain?
Oh, are you behind the curtain?
Did you just.
She just said curtain, didn't she?
And that was me.
No, I think you say curtain.
I think Enie just said, did wefind you?
Were you behind the curtain?
Behind you.
Behind the curtain.
Goodness, you're a good hider.

(52:17):
Yeah.
You want to play again?
Hide.
Are we hiding?
Do you want.
Do you want to.
Do you want to hide or do youwant to seek?
Yes, ma' am.
You want to do Both.
Okay.
Do you want to hide?
I want to find him.
Oh, you're hiding me.

(52:38):
You want to find me?
Yes.
Okay.
You're the only him.
We've got a couple moreminutes or no.
Sorry, guys.
Oh, I'm so sorry, sweethearts.
Hopefully, we'll.
We may try to come back tomorrow.
So thank you for playing with us.
So our.

(52:58):
Our game got cut short becausewe ran out of time, and they were
not about us continuing, whichwas fine.
We'll tell you why in a second.
So while we were in St.
Augustine, we mentioned thatwe went to Ghost Augustine.
And should you go to St.
Augustine, we cannot recommendenough that you go and visit them.
It's a small store, butthey've got lots of cool stuff.
They've got equipment.

(53:19):
They've also got some touristystuff, if that's what you're looking
for.
So while we were there, wespoke to Troy, and he's the VP of
Taurus, but he's also thestore sales manager and incredibly
experienced with paranormal investigations.
We talked to him for a verylong time.
He was a treasure and a delight.
I think it was two hours andwe would have kept going.
Yes.
You ever just meet somebodyand you just vibe with them?

(53:41):
And it was like, we just clicked.
Cannot say enough wonderfulthings about him.
We asked him if there were anypublic places that he would suggest
that we go or we don't go.
And we mentioned that we weregoing to the lighthouse, and he suggested
that we go to the park thatwas just right across the street
because it was open to thepublic and didn't close.
We'll explain more about thatin a second.

(54:01):
But he mentioned that peopletypically have activity there.
So we were like, okay, let'sgive it a go.
So after we left the keeper'shouse, we're outside, and we realized,
oh, we could go to the park.
And we're like, if you canstill hear us, girls, come to the
park.
So, like, we didn't know if.
I don't know anything heardthat or not.
But we then went across to the park.

(54:24):
It's not officially part ofthe grounds, but it's literally right
in that area.
It's also called thelighthouse park.
So that gives you an idea.
Yeah.
Amanda, when we got to thepark, it was very dark, as everywhere
we went.
What were your impressions?
So, like, walking over to thepark, I was like, this really does
have an eerie vibe.
And I don't know if it'sbecause it was just super dark as,
I don't know, all of St.

(54:45):
Augustine is for whatever reason.
But it was also coupled withvery creepy looking trees all over
the park.
They were creepy trees.
They were very like spindly.
These had like thick assbranches that grew in strange ways.
They were squatty and justcreepy trees.
Just creepy trees through and through.
It was.
Yeah, we have a picture ofMary on one of them.

(55:07):
Yes.
Yeah.
In a video, I think.
But there was like a littleplayground, had swings and everything,
A little climby thing.
And then there were benchesand tables kind of scattered throughout.
But it is a pretty large parktoo, because while we were there,
we could be on one side of thepark and the others on a far area
and barely hear each other, ifhearing each other at all.

(55:28):
Yes.
And then also when we firstgot there, I'm like, it's so dark
and there's not a lot of light.
I don't know if we're alone here.
Or if there are people heredue to greed.
So I took out the thermal andthere was like a man sitting on one
of the tables kind of far off.
And I was like, I don't knowif this is a person or not.
So I walked over and like, Iwas like, okay, it's a real person.

(55:49):
They're there.
Amanda's like, it's cool.
I'll walk near a strangeFlorida man in the park very late
at night.
No worries.
Yeah.
And then off, like, I don'tknow if it's a parking lot or something
after the park, but there werea few people over there.
But it was light over there,so we could see where they were.
And they weren't influencingus at all.

(56:09):
We couldn't.
We could barely hear them.
We were also doing the Estesmethod and Ben and Amanda could not
hear Enika talking.
If they knew that she wastalking, it was only because Lexi
and I were screaming what shesaid to them across the park.
Yes.
Yes.
That is the only time thatthey were aware.
So also Eniko was facing theopposite direction so she couldn't

(56:32):
see what they were doing orwhere they were.
And the headphones are on andit is kind of like you're just doing
that.
It's hard to do anything elsewhen you're listening.
Yeah.
Because you're trying todecipher and such.
Because it was nighttime andwe were at a park, I immediately
felt like we should not bethere because most parks have a sign
that says, don't go thereafter dusk.
I did not see that sign.

(56:54):
Otherwise I probably wouldhave been like.
Lindsay is what we call a rule follower.
Like my husband.
Oh, yeah, I'm a painful rule follower.
Like, I'm uncomfortable withnot following rules.
Meanwhile, I'm just off andI'm like, I'm lost.
Amanda's like, I do what Iwant and I apologize later.
But, yeah, but also, we.
We were respectful to the space.
We didn't leave any trash.
If we saw trash, we picked it up.

(57:15):
Of course.
Of course.
You know, we weren't a blightto this space.
So anyway, I felt like weweren't supposed to be there, but
whatever we were doing, what Iwould say is a wholesome activity.
And we, again, truly justunpacked our menagerie of tools.
We spaced them out a good bit,too, which stressed me out because

(57:35):
I was afraid somebody wasgoing to, like, skitter up and take
something.
But no one did.
So when after we unpacked.
Yeah, we did kind of the same thing.
We.
We wanted to continue what wewere doing, and we were hopefully
going to talk to the girls again.
Yeah.
So Indeka started in Estes Method.
We put the tools kind ofspread out, like Lindsay said.
I had the polter tune by the swings.

(57:57):
We had the REM pod on, like, arandom table or something.
And then just all over the place.
Also to note, we were at.
There was one, think oldschool wooden picnic table.
That's where I was sitting.
I stayed there the whole timebecause I was across from Enie when
she was doing the Estes Method.
I simply wasn't gonna, like,leave her alone when she had her
eyes shut in a park.

(58:18):
Lexi's there with me for agood bit.
But so Enika, her back wasright in front of the fence, and
on the other side of thatfence is a tennis court.
Amanda and Ben are moving about.
At one point, Lexi gets up,but when Amanda and Ben are at their
furthest, they're on the otherside of the tennis court.
So when you hear Lexi and Ikind of like yelling what Enika says,

(58:41):
that's why.
It's because there's no waythat they could actually hear Ineka.
Right.
So we're gonna play the fullaudio of the hide and seek session
again, where there was long silences.
We took those out wherethere's us, like, banging and clanging
around on equipment or things.
So it's like kind of anunpleasant sound.
I've pulled that out as well.
And then there's.

(59:02):
At one point, a random manapproached Amanda and was talking
to her about ghost equipment.
And our mics were on the same line.
So we decided to take outAmanda's spiel on Ghost equipment
to the stranger.
And we input the audio fromone of the videos that we had.
Because we're taking videos,audio recordings, all the things,
right?
So if the audio soundsdifferent at one point, that's why

(59:25):
we're going to play that now.
So when you put it.
That got me set.
It is.
It goes.
Set it and forget it.
Okay.
So we're gonna check and makesure that it's still legit.
I love that he remembered howto do that, because I've used that
three times.
I still have no idea.
He's a good man.
It was just a boat, everyone.
Just a boat.

(59:45):
Boat.
Doing boat things.
Yes, we are.
Are you here to play hide and see?
Yes, sweetie.
Yes.
Did you follow us from thekeeper's house?
He did a.
You want to keep playing?
She said, sh.

(01:00:06):
Don't tell.
Don't tell who?
Him.
Him.
He wants to play too.
Get him.
Get him.
Like, what?
Is he gonna hide?
You mean you get to hide?
Okay.
All right.
What number are you gonnacount to him?
Okay, man.
Yep.
They said him twice.

(01:00:26):
Yeah.
You're only him.
Oh, okay.
I know.
Okay.
He's gonna hide.
You want to count?
He's going.
Are you covering your eyes?
Don't peek.
Lexi and I were like, no cheating.
Okay.
Are you counting to 10?

(01:00:48):
No.
I mean, yes.
I don't know.
I panicked.
He doesn't have much time left.
Just go.
Did he take it?
That's a REM pod.
He needs an EMF reader.
I don't know where he put it.
Here's one.
I'm gonna.
Eight.
Oh, shoot.
Seven.
You only have two seconds.
That was real Blair Witch of me.

(01:01:09):
Oh, I think that she gave hima second.
Okay, now she's done.
Okay, let's go.
Let's go, girls.
Ready or not.
Are you looking for him?
Where could he be?
Looking for him.
Okay, let's see if we can find.
If you want, you can touchthat red light over there, too.
And the music box is by the swings.

(01:01:31):
The music box is going off, guys.
How many of you are there?
And you still here?
Oh, you'll have to find him.
You know his name?
Did you find him?
Yes, that is his name.
Do you know how old he is?
Did you find him?

(01:01:53):
All right, you can play withthat again.
I turned it on and off.
Did you find Ben?
Oh, I see him.
Can you touch the.
You gotta tag him.
Yep.
They also said your name.
No, I said, do you know his name?
Then a few minutes later, no,they found him.

(01:02:14):
They say, then.
Did you have fun?
Fun?
Time to Seek.
Time to seek.
Oh, you have to seek now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's people over there.
It's okay.
Okay, so you want me to hide again?
No, you're seeking.
No, you're seeking.
You have to look for them.
Yeah.
Is that correct?
You want him to look for you?
All right, you got to take the emf.
Some little girls laughing.

(01:02:35):
Okay.
Okay.
All right, so I'm going tofind you.
I'm going to count to 10.
All right?
You got to close your eyes, though.
Okay?
One, two.
Are they Stop and start again.
Nefarious.
Six, seven.
Hi.
Eight, nine.

(01:02:56):
It sounds like they're talkingto each other.
Oh, okay.
And they said, hi.
Do you want to.
Wait a second?
You're not.
Here I come.
He's coming.
All right.
There's the bathroom.
Okay.
You're good.
All right.
I'm gonna come find you.
Please don't be too far.

(01:03:16):
I'll look with him, okay?
I'll be with him.
So I can.
Ms.
Amanda's gonna help me.
Is that okay?
Can Ms.
Amanda.
I'm not looking.
I have my eyes closed so thatI can't give you away.
I don't know where my otherammo figure is.
Can Ms.
Amanda help?

(01:03:37):
Ms.
Amanda's gonna help me.
Okay.
Okay.
We're looking.
All right.
We're looking.
All right.
Touch the green light.
Ben.
He's coming.
He's looking for you.

(01:04:05):
They're laughing and whispering.
You gotta be quiet.
They won't.
They might find you.
But do you like.
Ben.
Don'T come to here.
Oh.
Oh.
You were close.
Close.
You were close.

(01:04:28):
We're close.
It is significantly colderover here.
Just you over here.
You like playing hide and seek?
Do you like playing hide and seek?
Seek.
Seek.

(01:04:51):
They said my name again.
Maybe they want you to seek.
She can't hear me.
I don't know why I'm talkingto her like she.
You're warm.
You're warm.
You're close.
You're close.
You're warm.
They said.
Who's warm?
Ms.
Amanda or Mr.
Ben?
You don't have to call him Mr.
Ben.

(01:05:13):
Does she know how to seek?
They're talking smack.
Burn.
What happened?
They said, does she know howto seek?
Oh, her.
Yeah.
Ghost burn.
You're laughing again.
I love this.
I love this.
They're trash.

(01:05:33):
Yes.
Ms.
Who?
There's Ms.
Lindsay next to me.
My name is Lexi.
Miss.
Ms.
Amanda.
She's trying to help Ben.
What are you talking about?
Enika?

(01:05:56):
Eyes open.
Eyes open.
Look a lot.
Do you think they're overhere, though?
Do you Think they're overhere, though.
Maybe.
Are you here with us?
He's coming.
Oh.
Is Ben.
Getting close.

(01:06:17):
Found her.
What?
Found her.
Seek, seek, seek.
Come on.
Over here.
Over here.

(01:06:38):
Come on.
They said we think.
I think they're over there, bythe way.
Where?
I think they're over there.
Where?
Over there.
Oh, like in the court, maybe?
No, I just think they're inthis direction.
Oh, he's taking some shorts.
Does he need help?
Probably.
He does.
That's why.
That's why I was suggesting.
Am I going the right way?

(01:07:04):
Am I going the right way?
Better.
Still hiding.
You're still hiding.
You are really good hiders.
Yeah.
You guys are so good at this game.
Are you under the table?
You know, it did get colderjust now at my.
At my legs when she said that.
Did I find you?

(01:07:25):
See, I'm good at.
See here.
They're here.
They're literally.
They're here.
Yes.
Can you touch the green lightfor me?
I just felt like the green light.
Are you over here?
Funny.
You can touch my hand or thegreen light.

(01:07:45):
Oh, I don't believe you.
I don't believe you.
I think you're moving.
I think you're goofy.
Are you behind?
Oh, wait.
Are you under the other table?
This table?
Okay, well, I can tell you for.
With a certainty in my soulthat they were here and then they
left and that some little.
Some little girls are cheating.
Is it this table?

(01:08:07):
I'm not gonna.
I'm not here to call you out,but I'm just saying that someone.
This one.
And now it's gone.
Did we find you?
It's time.
Oh, do you have.
You have to go to bed.
You have to go to bed.
That's okay.
We'll try to sometimes.
Yeah.
Okay.
Good night, girls.

(01:08:27):
It was nice to play with youand hang out.
We had fun playing with you.
We hope to talk to you again soon.
Bye.
Bye.
Right.
Oh, did you want us to leave?
Oh, yeah, we can.
We can go home too.
Yeah.
Yeah, we'll pack it up.
We'll pack up our stuff.

(01:08:51):
No, they were absolutelycheating and moving around.
I want.
They came under here, gaveLexi a high five, then left.
Then.
Then we were like, you're cheating.
And then they came back like, they.
They.
I think.
I think they like.
Because they were goofing.
They were talking trash.
Were they?
Oh, yeah.
I can't see.
Can she seek?
Does he need help?
I was like.

(01:09:12):
But that's when they weresaying that.
That's why I said you kind ofhave an advantage, girls.
And that's when you heard themgo fair.
That's funny though.
Look.
I love that you got a ghostburn.
One of my favorite things.
Oh, my gosh, that was so funny.
And like, so the guy wassitting at the table.
That's the one that I had seenon the thermal cam.

(01:09:33):
And when I was over therelooking for the hiders, he was like,
hey, that over there keepsplaying a song.
And I was like, oh, yeah, thisis why.
And he was like, I'm just fascinated.
But he's like, I wanted totake a photo or a video, but I was
afraid I'd ruin what you guyswere doing.
So I've been just over herewatching and I was like, oh, like,

(01:09:53):
let me explain it to youbecause, like, he seemed so interested.
Yeah.
And that's why he was there.
He might have been on ourtour, I don't know.
But he loved seeing theequipment go off and I love that
he got to see it because webarely even could hear the loud ass
music box from where we were.
We saw the light a couple times.
So we're like, oh, look, it'sgoing off.
But yeah, I stopped to talk tohim cause he was being really nice.

(01:10:14):
And he was like, I don't wantto take a picture or take a video
and ruin what you guys are doing.
And I'm like, oh, it's totally fine.
Like it won't ruin anything.
And then that's when they'relike, can you even seek?
And I'm like, loved it, loved it.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, no, he was being very respectful.
But also, there's no way Inikaknew what I was doing.
She couldn't see me, shecouldn't hear me.

(01:10:36):
I was, I think, as far as youcan go.
I think my mic even started tocut out at one point because I was
so far.
Yeah, it did.
So there's no way that shecould have known.
It was right when I had beentalking for a couple minutes and
they're like, are you evenplaying anymore?
So it was like on the nose.
Earlier we mentioned how youplay hide and seek with a ghost with
an EMF reader.

(01:10:56):
Right.
So Amanda and Ben both haveEMF readers at one point.
Ben only has one becauseAmanda Blair Witchstyle ran to him.
If you want to see Amanda'sBlair Witch video, go ahead to our
social media because this, theaudio can't do it justice.
I was recording knees tochest, he's running, making sure

(01:11:17):
Ben has an EMF reader.
But that was the first game.
Yeah, because they wanted Bento hide.
And so I was like, he's notgoing to know if they found him.
So I.
I was already recording, andinstead of stopping the.
Yeah, the phone fromrecording, I decided to run.
And then as I'm running back,and I was like, that was very Blair
Witch.
Well, then when we werewatching it back, I forgot.

(01:11:38):
And so then I.
I got to just really, like,observe it fresh.
But obviously, we had such afun time playing.
Oh, my gosh, it was so fun.
And, yeah, Lindsay believesthat they cheated a little bit, which
is fine.
It was funny.
Oh, they did.
Sweet kids.
But cheaters.
They were very polite, too.
They always said, like, yes,sir, yes, ma' am.
Except for when they werebeing sassy and saying, can you even

(01:12:01):
seek?
I deserved that.
At the end, they were justlike, we gotta go.
It was very clear they were done.
Yeah.
They were like, it's time.
And I want to think it wasabout, like, 12:30.
Ish.
Let's see.
When we made the unhingedvideos of Mary.
This is Mary's firstparanormal investigation.
Amanda and I were just lookingat our cameras to see, like, what

(01:12:22):
time exactly.
The last thing we did was,like, took a selfie in the park.
And that was at 11:16.
So I feel like it was probablyaround 11 because we were putting
all the equipment away.
But it was such a fun time.
What a whimsical ghost experience.
It had never occurred to me toplay a game with a ghost.
And now whenever I'm someplacewhere there's possibly children,

(01:12:42):
I'm like, that's a kind of funthing to do.
It was so fun.
And then when we did our firstepisode about the lighthouse, and
I brought it up because thatwoman had played hide and seek with
them in the basement.
And I was like, I neverconsidered playing games.
And that's gonna be a theme ofthis, too.
Ghosts playing games in one ofour future episodes as well.
But I loved it.

(01:13:03):
I loved that that interactioncan happen, and it can be so positive
and fun.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Now to piggyback on positiveand fun.
As we were leaving the park,you heard us say bye.
You heard the whole clip, right?
We were listening to this clip10,000 times, obviously.
And we think we hear somethingduring the buys, so we're gonna break

(01:13:25):
it down after, but we're gonnaplay it again.
Take a listen.
Listen while I'm talking.
We hope to talk to you again soon.
Thanks for coming over.
Bye.
Bye.
We hope to talk to you again soon.
Thanks for coming over.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye.
And then the reason why wethink it's someone else is because
here's Enika's bye bye.

(01:13:47):
Then this is Amanda, Lexi andLindsay saying bye.
I don't know why I'm saying my name.
Amanda, Lexi and I saying bye.
And we overlap.
So we're not going to separatethem out.
But that is the order.
So it's Amanda, then Lexi,then me, Lindsay, bye bye.
And that sounds like none of them.
We hope to talk, but a lot.
Like that high from the beginning.
So we're going to play themboth together now.

(01:14:09):
Hi, we hope to talk.
Hi, we hope to talk.
This was just one of the threeinvestigations that we did.
We had another one on Saturday night.
Then the third was one that weimpromptu planned while we were there.
I've actually never had somany paranormal experiences all at
once, so much at a time, have you?

(01:14:29):
I have similar experiences,but it, it does stand out.
I loved it.
If you are planning to go to St.
Augustine, we would sothoroughly suggest that you do a
tour of the lighthouse and ifyou can go to that park afterwards.
Because what was nice is thatit was more secluded, there wasn't
other people around unlessthey were like interested in what
we were doing.

(01:14:49):
And even then they were very polite.
So I feel like we needed tointroduce ourselves there in order
for them to come play at the park.
It's also possible that wewere interacting with someone else
at the park because like, howexcited would like little kid spirits
at the park be?
Also like, I'm sorry, I'm anadult ghost and you want to play
hide and seek?
You bet your fucking ass I do.

(01:15:10):
It also, it could have beenadult ghosts being like, can you
even seek, nerd?
I love the idea of that too.
I suck at hide and seek.
I'm sorry, I get distracted.
Yeah.
So again, we mentioned thisearlier, but we are.
We've got so much content tosift through.
This is one of the reasons whythese are taking a little bit longer
to come out.
You know, we're just bangingand clanging our our way through

(01:15:32):
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It just means so fucking much.

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I beg of you.
How do I get outside?
Where am I?

(01:17:34):
Top of the lighthouse.
Just rub.
Just rubbing in that I couldn't.
That I.
What I could never do.
It's fine.
Like, it automatically.
You guys were in fact bangingand clanging up that lighthouse,
though, like, not to kill it,but like, you were banging and clanging.
That's.
That's what was happening.

(01:17:54):
Oh, yeah, that would be great.
I loved it.
Did we take Picture Maryliterally anywhere?
No, we sure didn't.
Well, I got you.
I got you, girl.
It's your girl Mary.
Please record that.
And that's the thing thatwe'll just put up.
Absolutely, yeah.
One moment, please.
Hey, everyone, it's your girl, Mary.

(01:18:16):
Bloody Mary.
Okay, okay, hold on one moment.
Sorry.
No, perfect, perfect.
All right, I've got my.
She's serious.
And I'm like, uhoh.
It's your girl Mary.
Coming in hot.
So sorry.
When are y' all ready for meto hit start?

(01:18:37):
We're good now.
We're good now.
I'm an adult now because I hadto say, oh, she can't hear me.
Why am I explaining?
You know what?
We could set up.
We could set up the trail camover here too.
We're gonna catch a gator withour trail cam.
Or hunter.
I feel like something.
Gator and ghost gator.

(01:18:57):
Then go.
Your wife is unhinged.
It's recording this too, bythe way.
We're gonna set up the trail cam.
And they're like, oh, we'regonna catch a gator.
And we're like gators andghosts banging and clanging.

(01:19:20):
Could that be the episode?
Yeah, absolutely.
Gators and goats banging and clanging.
That's also me with the microphone.
This whole fuck but for.
Look at his thighs from afar.
Really, just take them in.
He knows.
He knows.
I'm progressively getting tobuy shorter and shorter shirts.
I packed everything and everybattery in North America.
Boy, we're banging and clanging.

(01:19:40):
We're banging and clanging.
Obviously everybody's like,what the hell is.
Wrong with all of you?
What?
Just banging and clinging.
She was banging and clangingall the way.
Oh my God.
Thinking game to.
How many times we said banginand clanging and not do so well,
drink water.
That's how you're hydrated.
Haha.
Thank you.
Keep on banging and clanging.

(01:20:01):
Banging and clanging.
Sorry, guys.
Let's be banging and clanging.
Sorry, guys.
Huh?
You know me eating glow sticks.
Banging and clangs.
Is that going off too over there?
That was me.
That was me again.
Banging and clanging.
Otherwise we're banging andclanging up the stairs.
No, but I would have been okaywith that.

(01:20:21):
Just holding, you know.
Where's that parlor?
Banging and clanging.
Stealing.
Lindsay, where's the parlor?
Banging and clanging.
I mean, I kind of like it.
Wait, is that where the parlor is?
That way?
The parlor?
That's bathrooms.
Oh, that's not the parlor.
There's cat balls over there too.
I think they're near yourfeet, actually, Ben.

(01:20:42):
That's where you step right bymy feet.
Do you want to play with oneof these?
Fox woman?
Smack it.
Don't ask children to smackyour balls.
Okay.
I love.
I'm not the only one that's in here.
Did you go there?
Mary, it's your girl.
Okay?
Blinding eenie.

(01:21:02):
She's like, what the fuck is happening?
She's gonna stop.
Oh, but you know what though?
Amanda.
Yes, what?
It's your girl.
Can you take a picture of her?
Oh, obviously, yeah.
Mary, it has to be like that.
Like.

(01:21:23):
And I've been recording thiswhole thing.
Perfect.
Perfect.
I love that.
For us.
Yeah.
Yes.
Banging and clanging all right.
This is the name of your St.
Augustine book.
We'll all collectively nameour items.
This is our project, ourFlorida project.
It's goes.
Banging and clanging Mary'shad a rough night.
She's laying on her belly.

(01:21:43):
We figured it out.
Oh.
Oh.
What?
You're dancing?
What's going on?
Mary, right there.
Oh, my gosh.
Perfect.
Beautiful.
Where is she?
I love that Mary is going tobe a celebrity one day.
She is.
She's a celebrity in my heart.

(01:22:04):
Sam.