Treasure Chest: Investigation

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Hello, everyone.
Today we are going to betalking about our second investigation
from when we were in St.
Augustine.
And we're going to talk aboutwhere we went in just a couple minutes.
But first we want to say thatthis episode is going to be a little
different than our typicalinvestigation episodes because this

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investigation was differentfrom our other investigations.
And so this is going to bemore of a discussion and we're going
to throw some things in hereand there's and other people's takes
here and there, but it's gonnabe more discussion based.
And at the end we're gonna askyour opinion on it and what you think
about discussions versusinvestigations that are very, very

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planned out.
Yeah.
As far as the episode goes,not the investigation, we're crazy.
Yeah, we're learning each timewe do an investigation, we're learning
from that on.
You know, how do we want torecord contact, what type of tools
do we want to use, what do wewant to do, determine at the beginning
versus what do we want to keeploose and all of those things.

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So as we go, ourinvestigations will always be evolving.
When you keep doing something,you get better at it.
But in terms of how we presentit, we are looking for feedback.
And also if you have questionsat the end of the episode where you're
like, you touched on this.
But I just need to know more.
You know us, we love to chat.
So reach out to us in all ofthe ways.

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We have everything on ouroutro at.
The end, we also want to touchon the tools.
I know you've heard some ofthis before, but just so any newbies
know.
Exactly what we used, it'll bequick, I promise.
This is gonna be kind of ajust quick overview of what tools
we brought because there wereso many of them and they're going
to come up quite a bit in our stories.

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So you may have already heardsome of this, but we're adding to
our collection every time wego somewhere it seems.
Yeah.
So the first tools we broughtwere EMF readers.
EMF stands for electromagneticfield, so that's exactly what they're
reading.
It's believed that ghosts canalso cause a reading on these devices.
So that's why it's used forghost hunting.
And the tricky part is keepingthem away from any electronics that

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you may have or anything thathas electricity flowing through it,
because that will definitelyset them off as well and give you
an incorrect reading especially.
That's also what they're for,is to measure electricity.
So it makes sense that youwould not want to accidentally use
them for their given purpose.
Yes, yes.
They're much easier whenyou're in very old places with no
electricity.

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The next tool we used werevoice recorders.
Pretty much the same as the name.
It records voices.
Sometimes you may get a voicethat may not have been one of the
living people in the room with you.
And we used a couple different ones.
I think we had two.
Yeah.
We spread them out around the place.
And then the next item is anew item that we bought while in

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St.
Augustine, and that's thepolter tune.
And it's a music box that goesoff when it detects movements.
So it's very nice because notonly do you hear it when it plays,
but it has lights that go off, too.
So it's a great tool that youcould leave in, like, another room
because you can hear it go offas well as see it if it's a dark
room.
Yes.
And we'll play a little clipof it as well.

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Yes.
One.
So our other tool, which isalso a newer tool, is the poultry

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script.
It works very similar to an obelisk.
It converts environmentalenergy, and it changes it into words,
letters, and numbers.
You can both hear and see whatthe device says, and it continues
to show the last three words.
Whenever we play clips and youhear the polter script talk, we'll
then have a voice that's notmine or Amanda's so that you know
definitively what it's saying.

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Because we know what it saysbecause it showed on the screen when
we've done this in the past,we've used, like, an AI voice to
assist, because otherwise youhear my and Amanda's voices, and
if we cut in again, it's justkind of confusing.
So before we used Ursula, shewas in our Lighthouse episode.
Right.
So we also use the Necrophonicapp, which is an app on your phone
that does work like a spirit box.

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It doesn't ask for permission,so it shouldn't be able to see what
you're watching or hearing.
And when we use it, it's onairplane mode.
So this way it can't bemilling about in the Internet.
It has eight sound Banks andthe audio is made up of phonemes,
which are partial words,reverse audio, foreign languages
and other parts of speech tohelp with communication.
So it works pretty similar toa spirit box.

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It allows the spirits tocommunicate by using words and sounds,
but they have to use thisbank, the sound bank, to build it.
So, like, that's the toolsthey have is just what's in there.
Right.
It sounds very creepy whenyou're using it, but it is a great
tool.
It really does.
And I will point out as wellthat one of the very interesting
things about it is that one,when this voice come through, they

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come out spatially.
Sometimes it will sound likesomeone is like behind you to the
left.
Sometimes it will sound like someone.
Someone is like moving around you.
You'll be able to hearinflection, volume changes.
So sometimes it's a whisperand sometimes it's a shout.
I didn't expect that part.
That and the multiple voicesat the same time where like multiple
people are trying to talk,it's very hard to concentrate.

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Yeah.
Then we also use theNecrometer, which is another app
and it's made by the samecreator as Necrophonic, so same things.
We're going to keep it onairplane mode.
It's not asking forpermissions in that same way.
So it does a few different things.
But one of the things is itdetects EMF changes and the fluctuations
of energy of the energy fieldand connects it with words again.

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We thought that this wasstrange too.
We were inherently a littlebit skeptical of tools before we
use them.
But if you could have an EMFreader on your phone, we see no reason
why you couldn't have it inthis app.
And then also as a note, thisparticular app works similar to an
obelisk, where it shows wordsand it has a 60,000 word bank as
of recording.
That's what it is.
It might go up in the future.

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Yeah.
We also brought various cameras.
We obviously had our phone cameras.
And then I had also bought athermal cam that hooks onto your
phone.
So I was able to take videosand pictures with that as well.
And then I brought a videocamera, but mysteriously the battery
was drained even though I hadcharged it.

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So we did not get to use it.
We brought cat toy balls,which are like what you'd buy your
cat to play with, except whenthey hit it or when it's hit, it
lights up.
So it has colorful lights andthey blink.
So it's super easy to see inthe dark.
And it's great to leave itaround a room and see if they move
when you're not in the room.
We also, for science, alwayswalk by it a couple times because

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especially in, like, olderbuildings, the floor creaks and moves
a little bit.
We don't want to be the onesthat moved it.
So we do test it first.
We also brought a laser grid,and it's literally a green laser
grid that you can put up on a wall.
And it looks like it's aflashlight, but instead of having
light, it's a grid.
It allows you to seedisturbances in the grid pattern

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fairly easily.
So if someone walks by, itdefinitely stands out.
Or if someone doesn't walk bybut it catches your eye, it might
be something else walking by.
So it's just a handy tool tobe able to see your environment a
little bit better and easier,I would say.
Yeah.
And if you play phasmophobia,you know this as a Dots ghost.

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And lastly, we had a REM podand it's another fancy EMF reader.
It has an antenna, so it helpsdetect any changes within a 360 degree
radius.
And this particular model thatwe brought also has different sensitivity
levels.
It does have the option todetect significant drops in temperature
too, so has a couple differentthings it can do.

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And when it's activated ortouched or something goes near the
antenna, it lights up and itmakes a pretty loud sound.
It does.
It really does.
It's startling, even one might say.
It is, yeah.
So now that we've told youabout our tools, now we're going
to tell you about where we were.
We were at a place called theTreasure Chest, which is in the historic
downtown area of St.
Augustine.
One of the people who wesometimes investigate with Inika

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arranged with the person whoruns the tours and activities there,
Scott York, for us to investigate.
Now, the Treasure Chest runseducational activities for kids primarily
on school trips.
And from our understanding,they also run ghost tours in the
evening as well.
The building itself that wewere in for most of the night was
built in 1878, and it's pretty sparse.
There is another building, theone in the back has a bathroom and

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then there's an Airbnb on theother side.
The building that we were inis essentially just one big room.
Yeah, there's some furniturearound, but it's mostly stuff for
the activities for childrenbased on the different time periods
that they're going to talkabout with St.
Augustine's history.
So you'll see some old tools.
They also had a menorcan likebox that we looked at at one point.
There was also murals on thewalls and things like that.

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But it wasn't as though therewas a ton of stuff in the room.
It's mostly on the perimeter,if you will.
Yeah, yeah.
Just so a huge class could goin and fit comfortably.
Exactly.
So we're going to get into ourinitial impressions.
Amanda and I are going tostart with ours, and then we're going
to play the audio of Lexi andBen, as always.
So, Amanda, what were yourinitial impressions?

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So we went there earlier inthe day, the.
The evening that we investigated.
So we were there during theday, and then we came back in the
evening.
And I will say, when I walkedin, I was just like.
I don't know.
Didn't have any negativefeelings in the building or anything.
Even that caught my attention,to be honest.
But when we walked, like, wedid kind of a walk around of the
building in between that andthere's a coffee shop next door where

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you can walk in the back whereLindsay said the bathroom in the
Airbnb is.
That's the area where I didnot like the feeling of.
And even during the day, I'mlike, I hate it over here.
Especially right in front ofthe bathroom area.
There's, like, a littlewalkway between this building that
we investigated and the bathroom.
It's, like, very tiny.
But that area, I think I waswalking next to you or maybe Ben,

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and I was like, oh, I hatewhatever it is right there.
Like, there's just some sortof feeling that I detest.
Yes.
And it's right here, and Idon't know what it is.
And it's middle of the day andI hate it.
Yeah.
It wasn't as though it was,like, dark and spooky.
It was just a place in the day.
Yeah.
But, like, inside the buildingfelt fine.
Like, it was.
There's, like, kids, toys everywhere.

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And we were, like, tired fromwalking around and doing the tour,
so I was more just, like,excited to sit.
What about you?
Yes.
So I also got bad vibes from that.
The bathroom area.
So much so that at one point,I'm like, I'm gonna put a voice recorder
in there later in the night.
And I'm like, everyone,there's a voice recorder in the bathroom,
so maybe pick it up and set itnext to the sink or turn it off,

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you know, like.
Or, you know, put it outsidewhile you're in there.
Yeah, do what you do.
Yeah.
And I think I was like, pleasedon't turn it off.
Just move it out of, like, theroom so that, like, this way we don't
accidentally, like, missaudio, but weird vibes from the back.
Originally, I didn't reallyhave much of a feeling of anything
inside, but as ourinvestigation began this.
These are the notes that I have.

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You ready?
It's quiet outside.
The mood at the start is kindof somber slash awkward.
Like, if I was a kid, Iwouldn't want to play here.
Yeah, just like an interestingvibe considering, like, what we thought
we might be interacting withand what the space was for.
I was, I don't want to sayuncomfortable, but I felt discomfort.

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It just felt kind of off.
Maybe that's the way todescribe it.
Okay.
At night, not during the day.
At all times.
It always felt kind of off to me.
Oh, okay.
Interesting.
Yeah.
It didn't feel like I washaving, like, oh, my gosh, gut feelings.
Everything's wrong here.
It was just like something wasamiss, if you will.
Okay, that's fair.

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Before we get into our initialimpressions, we're going to just
have the intros of everybodythat was with us on the investigation.
You may have heard these before.
We'll also list social mediahandles in our show notes, but the
first was Lexi.
We originally met her when wewent to Villisca.
We did meet her physically atthe Villisca house, although we had
chatted with her before then.
She actually also justreleased her first book last month,

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and it's called Colonial Park Cemetery.
And she's got more on the way,and we're so excited and we're so
proud of her.
We've posted it at least onceon our social media.
We'll probably post it more,and we're probably gonna do a little.
Little something with her onthat at a later date.
One of the people that we wentwith was Ineka, who we also went
to Villisco with.
They actually coordinated this investigation.

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So thank you.
Ineka.
They run tours for, I believe,historical and ghost tours out of
Savannah, Georgia, and theyalso have an excellent TikTok and
Instagram game.
So we'll put all that in theshow notes.
And then last but not least ismy husband, Ben.
I wrote his introduction.

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So he doesn't know what's in here.
Will he ever know?
Who could say?
But.
So he's the ultimate cat dad,and he's a rugby coach for the Baltimore
Flamingos.
Feral side, which he's veryproud of, and I'm very proud of him.
And he and I put a long time.
Not listener, not first timecaller, because you've heard his
voice on here before.
But it was Amanda and I Plus,Lexi, Ben, and Enika.

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We have impressions from Lexiand Ben.
So we're gonna play Lexi'simpression now just as a note.
She gave impressions about thewhole evening.
So if you notice that when weplay her clips, it seems like she's
starting out of nowhere.
It's because we've broken itup for.
The treasure chest building.
So first impressions.
When we got there, you coulddefinitely feel that there was, you

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know, energy there.
It didn't necessarily feeldark or good, but it just felt present.
It was me like, okay, thisnight is probably going to be very
interesting, but it, you know,didn't feel like it was going to
go one way or another in termsof good or bad, you know, lighthouse
versus four, as we had alreadypreviously experienced on this trip.

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I remember the first time Iwent out to the bathroom because
you had to go outside and thengo through another door to get to
the bathroom.
I remember not liking that,but I kind of, like, brushed it off
to myself.
Like now, like, it's justbecause you're walking, you know,
outside and it's dark.
And he had warned us thatthere was somebody that was homeless

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that slept around there.
So I was just kind of like,again with being on, like, alert
in the park when we wereplaying hide and seek, you know,
with the girls from thelighthouse, it was kind of like,
they're strangers around here.
You don't know them, that kindof thing.
So I just kind of, like,brushed my feelings of, like, not
liking it out there awaybecause I was by myself.
It was dark.
There might be, you know, astranger, I don't know, lurking around.

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So I just kind of brushed itoff as that we were preparing to
do the investment.
And I think this was aroundthe same time that, like, I was getting
ready to go to the bathroombecause I had my crystals tucked
in the pocket of my leggings,and I went to take them out to go
to the bathroom because I waslike, oh, these are just gonna fall
out of my pocket anyway.
And Lindsay being like, don'tdo that.

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And she was like, don't.
I just.
I don't want you to do that.
Like, keep those.
I was like, okay.
I mean, I'm gonna take themout of my pocket anyway when I go
into the bathroom.
But, like, sure, I will keepthem, like, in my hand, like, on
my person.
That's fine.
So obviously, Lindsay wasmaybe catching something that wasn't,
you know, quite apparent toall of us yet.
But again, I kind of brushedit off.

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Should learn not to do that.
And then here's Ben.
All right.
So talking about my initialfeelings about the treasure chest,
when we visited there, Ididn't know what to expect.
I wasn't sure exactly whatkind of a place it was that we were
visiting.
So when we got there, I was alittle surprised to see that it was

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a single room building.
And I didn't feel any sort ofweird, creepy, strange or negative
vibes on the start of ourevening when we were in there.
As the night got later andtime progressed, that did shift a

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bit.
So when I initially didn'tfeel any presence per se or anything
odd or out of place oruncomfortable, I will say that as
the night went on, I did feellike it took more of a dark or a
spookier turn.

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So in many of theinvestigations that we've talked
about in our past episodes, wewere going to a place that was notoriously
haunted, if you will.
So there have been lots of investigations.
There was a general sense oflike what was going on or who might
be there.
And there was a narrative ofkind of like that we were either
confirming or considering oropen to.
And this was very differentbecause there, that wasn't happen,

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that wasn't happening there.
There's only been a fewparanormal investigations there.
And the activities were vary widely.
And the theories of what mightbe going on there also vary widely
to the point where it's like,is there even a cohesive story here?
So some think that there's aspirit of a 12 year old girl there,
possibly named Lily, and thatshe died in 1820 from a fever.

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And this is from other investigations.
But the other reason that theythink it might be a child specifically
is because they'll come in andsome of the toys will be moved.
When they close up at the endof the night, they put all the toys
away, especially things likemarbles where like if you walk on
them, you could, you know,fall like a cartoon.
The things that they see movedare the hoop and stick and the marbles

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throughout the night.
During our investigation, weasked the entities that we were talking
to if they wanted to play withany of the toys like the marbles.
But we didn't really see any movement.
No.
And we even used some oldschool marbles.
I think they were like made ofwood or something and nothing.
So the other theory, whichfrom what we understand is what at
least one of the women whoworks on the tour believes, and she

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thinks that there might be aspirit of a man who used to hurt
children there.
And then separately, there'sanother theory that perhaps the entity
that some people havecommunicated with or that has been
moving things is the spirit ofa man who had been working on the
roof of that back building.
And unfortunately he fell fromthat roof and he eventually died
from the injuries he sustainedin that fall.

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And we don't have the namesfor either of the two men, although
we heard plenty of names whilewe were there.
We just don't know if theywere associated with either of those
men.
So before we went, we had alsodone our own research into this particular
parcel as to what families mayhave owned it.
And just to get a generalsense of who might be there, who

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we may talk to, and who mighthave been tied to the property for
any reason.
But unfortunately, we reallydidn't have any encounters that seem
to match any of the peoplethat historically would have been
connected to the parcel, whichis interesting.
Yeah.
I had originally gone throughand did property research and I was
able to find familial type ofhistories with that.

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And then I passed thatinformation over to Lexi, who did
like, complex genealogicalresearch on these people and learned
a lot.
So we had a good sense ofthese people and like the timelines
of their life and that kind of stuff.
It wasn't as though we werelike, oh, it's just a name.
We had more than that.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
And like we.
We know with other hauntedplaces, just because someone passed

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there or in that area doesn'tmean that that's where they'll stay.
People can sometimes bringthings into places and they like
the vibe and they decide tostay or they take them away.
So it could be a grab bag ofanyone, really, whenever you go to
a haunted location.
Exactly.
At least in our.
In our theories and thoughts.
So this investigation, I'dsay, is different than any of the

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other ones I've done in thepast or that I've.
Done with you before or anythat I've ever heard of, even.
Yeah, it was the best way wecould describe.
It was kind of chaotic.
It seems like we were talkingto different entities throughout
the night.
And that mid conversation wewould end up speaking to someone
else.
So you'd like, start gettingsomewhere and then everything would

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change and it would soundcompletely different and even like
not necessarily a voicebecause some of the tools we were
using is just like a standardmonotone voice.
But the way that they wereresponding was much different than
like whatever we were talkingto before.
Even the cadence, like howfast you would get a response.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
So it was very bizarre becausethere was so much going On.

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And one of the super difficultthings about investigating in a place
like St.
Augustine is that given theage of the city, the atrocities,
the limestone, everything,it's possible the entities have had
no relation to the given property.
But maybe hanging out there,kind of like what I said before,
like, it could be anything.
It's also worth pointing outthat it's completely possible that

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the entities that were nearbywere curious as to what we were doing.
Like, oh, hey, they.
They understand us.
Perhaps we can chat with themas well.
One of the things that Ben wassaying, he was talking about, like,
paranormal investigations andlikening them to, like, fishing and
that sometimes you go fishingand you just don't get anything.
And Amanda and I have alwaysapproached our paranormal investigations

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like we would love tointeract, if not, no worries, because
they aren't there for our entertainment.
I don't think that itnecessarily seems less legitimate
because we often have experiences.
I find it not that surprising,given that we are skeptically open,
if you will, and that severalof the people in our group, like,

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describe themselves assensitive in that way and picking
up on those types of things.
So if you had a group ofpeople where several of the people
are sensitive at the most,mild version of that is how one might
describe it to openly skeptical.
You might want to talk to thatgroup, especially over a drunken
ghost tour, if.

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If that's the options, you know.
Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.
And I will say too, when wefirst got there, just to kind of
paint a picture, I thoughtthere wasn't going to be much going
on because it was a very slow start.
And I was like, okay, I acceptthat, like, not always is this going
to happen.
And then it started ramping up.
And then it was the chaoticscene from my recollection.

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Like, the originalconversations we were having were
like, are you a child?
And we were starting with thisangle of an idea of who we were talking
to.
And.
And I think it's when webacked off from that that we really
started to have more responses.
I do think that as we continueto do investigations, to be like,
do we want to make sure thatwhen we start, we're starting in

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this complete blank slate oflike, hello, who's there?
Versus hey, we heard your name.
Is this.
Is that who we're talking to?
We heard that you were doingthis action.
Is that you?
Because we never know how manyentities may or may not be there.
Exactly.
And like we mentioned severaltimes, we did not get a sense of
one particular entity, butseveral notable experiences.

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And between all of our toolsthroughout the night, we got a ton
of names thrown out there.
And none of these nameshistorically are associated with
this particular building.
Not that we were aware of.
So just a couple names tothrow out there.
It said Harriet, Patrick,Emma, Emily, Kathleen, Zane, Jeffrey,

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Jean, which is interestingbecause that's my middle name.
It'll make sense later.
Tom, Virginia, which could bea name or possibly a state it really
likes.
State loves a state.
And then another one that waskind of weird.
It said Chase.
And then a couple hours later,it said Chase is watching.
It was like the second to lastthing that I got.
We're going to talk about thelast name that we got later, but

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kind of creepy.
Yeah, yeah.
Just as a note, this is not acomprehensive list of every name
that was uttered.
This is just some of thembecause we were using many tools
and often they were going off simultaneously.
So I might have a record of,like, what's on the polter script
because I had a camera pointedat it.
If another person hadsomething else, they might not have

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that or the polter scriptdoesn't record it.
So say I was doing somethingelse and somebody else was holding
the polter script.
I don't have a video of justwhat was on there.
Yeah, yeah.
Unless they yelled it outduring one of our videos.
Exactly, exactly.
So we also did a couple essesessions while we were there, but
this time we really wanted tomake sure that the person doing the

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ST's method could not hear anyone.
So we banished them to the outside.
They went outside, and therest of us would ask questions, and
then we kind of switch aroundso the person outside would not be
influenced and have no way ofhearing what questions were being
asked.
Yes.
Yeah, exactly.
When I was watching and typingwhat people were saying, I was like

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eagle eye on that person,watching what they were doing and
how they were responding and,like, taking notes on that.
Because, one, I find thatgenerally fascinating.
But two, when you are theperson who is listening for the necrophonic
app in such a intense way,there is sensory overload.
I do not think that peoplenecessarily understand what they're
doing with their bodies.
And their emotions are very just.

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It's an unmasked experience.
You are truly just like, inthat moment, trying to listen.
And you're not thinking aboutyour face.
You can understand a lot aboutwhat that person is experiencing
and what they're hearing basedon the way that they're reacting.
So there's one point where Istarted feeling this intense pressure,
this heaviness.
And at the same time, Benstarts Scratching all over.

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Like, he gets real itchy.
And I was like, oh, that'sinteresting, because how people experience
different things, it's alsogonna feel different in the body.
So I was super aware of how Iwas feeling, and I was interpreting,
like, certain data input formyself and how the people who were
responding were.
That was one of my favoritethings the entire night was that

(26:19):
experience.
We also have videos of the.
The full SD sessions, which Ireally like.
That video is just them responding.
Yeah.
And you can see their faces.
Yeah.
Mm.
So let me explain exactly howwe did this.
Lexi was the first one tovolunteer to do it.
And she was outside.
She put headphones on.
She was totally blind to whatwas happening inside.

(26:40):
Meanwhile, like Lindsay said,she was not only watching what was
happening, like, with theirbody language, but also texting us
what the replies were.
So Lindsay was texting Ben,who was inside with us, and including
things like inflection andanything that was standing out as
to how Lexi voiced the response.

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There's also a live stream,and we do have video from the outside
perspective, too, so we wereable to cross reference all of the
videos together afterwards sothat we could, like, see the whole
Essie's method on both sidesplay out.
And interestingly, too, beforeany questions were even set inside.
Right.
Like, we were kind of sitting,just getting ready to, like, start

(27:25):
the session.
Lexi, who was outside her,heard, hello, Scott.
And Scott was the person whoallowed us to do the investigation
in this.
Building, and he was present also.
That's a good point to note.
Yeah.
He was inside with us, and hestayed inside for the most part.
And now we have a clip fromLexi about the Estes method.

(27:45):
So then that night, because ofthe end of it is still, and I haven't
gone through all of my videosand recordings and everybody else's
videos and stuff yet to reallycement in the details.
But from what I remember, wedecided to do an Estes method because
things were a little slow.

(28:06):
It was like, oh, do you wantto play with these toys?
Do you want to say somethinginto the polter script?
Do you want to, you know, makethe music box go off?
And things were very slow again.
It felt like there was anenergy, but it didn't feel like it
wanted to interact, maybe.
So we were like, okay, what ifthe person doing the Essays method

(28:26):
went, like, completely outside?
Like, sat in that little teenywalkway between the door to the treasure
chest and the door to the bathroom?
That way, like, we would know.
Like, even, you know, we usethe soundproof headphones anyway.
But like, we would know thatthere was no potential, like, cross
contamination, hearingsomebody, whatever.
And I had already volunteeredto do the essays method, but not

(28:49):
wanting to go out there bymyself, I was like, oh, I don't know.
I'm going out there.
So Lindsay came with me especially.
She was going to text what Igot to y' all so you would know what
you know, the answers were toyour questions.
And again, like I said before,I had brushed off my feelings of
how I felt out in that areabecause of being out there alone.

(29:13):
And it was dark and potentialstranger, you know, on and on and
on.
And I was.
So this time I was like, okay,okay, Lindsay's gonna be out here
with me.
It's fine.
As we discuss the SD sessions,we are not going to go through every
question and response, but weare gonna cover some highlights in
our impressions.
So pretty soon, in Alexi's SDsession, she said it sounded like

(29:34):
it made a sound just to like,startle me and to like, make her
do a jump scare.
And the longer she did it, themore she looked unnerved.
There was a clear increase.
And so I think that's one ofthe things that I again, really liked
about being in a separatespace was that I could look at her
and note the fact that rightnow that startle sound happened versus

(29:54):
in the mix of all of us.
We may have missed that.
When she was finished, I askedher whether it seemed like she was
hearing from multipleentities, children, or whether it
seemed like something wastrying to confuse her.
And she said that by the endof it, it sounded like something
was trying to confuse her.
Lexi also described that whenshe was listening, she often heard
voices all around her.
So earlier I mentioned thatyou sometimes on the necrophonic

(30:17):
app, things spatially, like,she heard things spatially.
Here are Lexi's thoughts abouther SD session.
But even still, I was like, Idon't like sitting out here.
I don't like it out here.
This is very.
I just.
I didn't like it.
There was a dark.
Just eh, out there andlistening to some of the answers

(30:41):
that came over the headphones.
I just didn't like it.
And I think Lindsay even saidthat, like, my body language was
just like, off.
Didn't like it.
So eventually I was just like,okay, I need it.
I need to tap out for a minute.
I don't want to listen to this anymore.
I want to go back in.
Don't like it out here.
So we went back in.
Yeah.
Ben was the next listener.
And frankly, his responsesseem substantially more dark.

(31:05):
And it seemed to be sayingwhat it wanted rather than responding
to questions.
That was my impression of itand I did not like it.
It was unnerving to watch.
And we should also say when wehad the people go outside to do the
Estes method, they weresitting in front of that bathroom.
Like, the area that I waslike, that's a no go zone.
Yeah.
I was sitting with my back tothat bathroom.

(31:26):
I was like, I do not like this.
I.
I didn't even want to go in there.
So I did an esti session atthe end.
And if you stick around afterthe credits, you can hear all three
SD sessions in full.
We had them edited without thepauses removed, and they are without
the questions because it's a nightmare.
But it is still an interestinglisten because you can hear the cadence

(31:48):
of how things are respondingand the tone.
Because when we say whateverit says, we say it with the inflection
and with the volume.
So if it whispers, we whisper.
And it's particularly unnerving.
I think Ben's creeped me outthe most.
While we were doing the SDsession, Amanda also had her necrometer
on her phone and someone wasinside with the poultry script.
Without anyone mentioning thename, the necrometer said Patrick,

(32:11):
then Patrick is alive.
And it doesn't seem like weever get any answers on who Patrick
is through sds, the decormeter, or the poultry script.
I was not inside to ever hearabout Patrick, so I didn't know who
the fuck that was.
And when I was watching thequestions and like, pairing them
with the video, that's thefirst time that I heard, like, saw
what was going on inside.

(32:31):
So there's points wherethey're like, we feel weird here,
or we're talking about thisthing that is completely separate
to what is happening outside,and we have no clue what's going
on.
Yeah.
So I'm like, who the fuck is Patrick?
We'll never know.
We don't know.
We'll never know.
There's so many names thatcame up and we even tried.
We'd be like, oh, like, tellus about yourself or who is this?

(32:52):
And nah, it's just like, nowI'm going to go off on another tangent
now, and I'm going to tell youabout states.
We're like, okay, thank you.
So not really scary, but justkind of funny.
There were a few instanceswhere the devices that we were using
would reference thingshappening around us.
So when we were doing sds, Benheard horse just as a horse was clomping

(33:13):
down the street, like, rightin front of the building.
Because all of us could hearit so easily because we're kind of,
like, on that side and see itthrough the window.
Yes.
When I originally, like,transcribed what he said, I thought
he said force.
So it wasn't until the replaythat I could see that he clearly
said horse.
And then I was like, oh, wait.
And then I rewound it.
Cause I was like, I thinkthere was a horse rape before he

(33:34):
said that.
And I was like, oh, there was.
Which just, you know, interesting.
That's an intelligent response.
Another time, the deviceswould say traffic, and that would
be when cars would drive by.
Yeah.
And, like, occasionally,because there's, like, a little parking
area in front of the building.
So as, like, bars,restaurants, and stuff were closing

(33:55):
up, there would be a littlebit of traffic, too, as people were
trying to, like, leave.
And it only ever said it whenthere was traffic.
And it got to the point whereI want to think it happened at least
three times, but it happenedregularly when there was traffic.
So it wasn't doing it when itwasn't there.
But it was also kind ofpicking up most instances of when
there was more congestion onthe street.

(34:16):
Yeah, Yeah.
I was like, I'm done with this.
They don't even, like, traffic fair.
So at one point during thenight, my necrometer, it said, hidden
treasure.
And we were like, what doesthat mean?
It also around that same time,was saying things like, 1800s woman
here.
Just strange.
Right.
And we were like, what couldall of this mean?

(34:39):
And Scott was like, actually,I have an old trunk outside that
could be interpreted as, like,a treasure chest.
Right?
Treasure.
Yeah.
And he's like.
And I.
I have some questions about it.
And we're like, okay.
So we all went outside.
And his story that he told uswas that his grandparents bought
it, and it was likely from theFlagler's hotel, and people would

(35:00):
spend the season there.
So they would have multipletrunks of their belongings before
suitcases and stuff.
Right.
Mm.
And luggage tags.
And luggage tags.
That's important in a momentbecause there.
Were no luggage tags.
He said that they would have aportrait of themselves inside so
that they could differentiatewhat trunk belonged to whom.

(35:20):
There was a portrait of ayoung woman inside.
And our EMF readers went off alot around the trunk and not when
we stepped back.
And so we tested the EMFreaders against the lights that were
strung on the railing, becausethere's lights all around.
Right.
It's a building with electricity.
Yeah.
Shock.
And it would give us aResponse when we were, like, close
to that but nowhere else.

(35:42):
So, like, unless there wassome sort of electrical line right
under that trunk or, like,around that trunk somehow, I don't
know why it was going off.
Scott even said, like, there'snot any electricity under this trunk,
or there shouldn't be, to his knowledge.
So, yeah, interesting.
At one point, Scott closed thetrunk, and Lindsay's polter script
immediately said, picture.
Like, the picture inside.

(36:02):
Right.
And then Lindsay's like, hey,Scott, I think they want you to open
the trunk back up.
And as soon as he did,Lindsay's poultry script said, restored.
We asked, like, who is this?
What's your name?
No names came up around thistime that I can remember.
I don't remember there being names.
Like, there were names, but itwas when the names were said at this.

(36:22):
At this time, from myrecollection, it was never to the
question, what's your name?
It's.
We would ask a separatequestion, and it would say a name.
That's true.
Which doesn't feel as muchlike an intelligent response.
Yes.
But also, sometimes it reallyfelt like people were hogging the
microphone.
And, like, we might ask aquestion and then get an answer 15
minutes later.

(36:43):
But we've gotten, like, 70responses since then.
Yeah.
So you can't really pair ittogether in a way that feels reliable.
It felt like someone kind of,like you said, like, had the microphone,
and then other people wereyelling out over.
And.
And that feeling of being in aroom full of a bunch of people is
kind of how it felt like, aseverything was going off, like, it

(37:04):
was just overwhelming, andthere was just.
Too much throughout the night.
The way that I experienced it,it felt different.
There was.
There was times when it felt light.
There was times when it felt crowded.
There was times when it feltheavy and a little sinister.
Like, not as bad as Villisca,but a little sinister.
How did you feel like itchanged over the night?
Yeah, it seemed like it wentup and down because there were times

(37:27):
where I'm like, this is harmless.
And then there's times whereit kind of got a little valiska e.
And we were all like, what theis happening?
And upset about it too.
Lexi did a great job of, like,explaining it, so we'll let her explain
that part too.
Yeah.
Because at one point,everyone's like, I'm done.
And I.
I didn't mean to be, like,bossy in any way, but I'm like, that

(37:49):
thing doesn't win.
Again, if for any reason it'sthat thing or a Friend of that thing
or the certain same type ofthat thing.
I don't know what it is, butsomeone was trying to, like, rile
people up.
And I was like, no, absolutely not.
You're not scaring us awaythis time.
And I felt very confident inthat too.
And it seems like it chilledout after that for a while, at least

(38:10):
from mine.
Uh, I.
That was not my experience.
I felt like it went okay andthen just kind of sat there for a
minute and it was quiet, but Ithink it was still there.
That's what I mean.
Like, it chilled for a minuteas to.
Like, it wasn't attempting togo after us as much.
It waited a while.
Yeah, yeah.

(38:30):
Before it was pissed offenough to do that.
But going back on that, atvarious points in the evening, we
also had some not so greatfeelings in certain areas.
And during Ben's Estes Method,everyone inside, I was inside at
this time, had a sense thatsomething was happening in the back
of the room.
And so we walked over and ourEMF reader even went off over there.
And I want to say at thispoint, it's like nothing's in that

(38:53):
area but little mats.
And there's.
There are these mats that,like you could have kids sit on,
and they're.
Kind of stacked, like gymmats, kind of.
But not as thick.
Yeah, yeah.
But that obviously has no electricity.
And that wall, we had testedit before, didn't, like, go off in
that area, but it was justweird that it was going off.
And I want to say, like, itstarted saying things directed to

(39:16):
Scott, like he understood acouple of the things that it was
saying, but for sure, the EMFreader was going off, and it was
very strange feelings on thatside of the room, but only temporarily.
Yes, yes.
And then, of course, like wesaid, as they were doing the Estes
method outside, near thatbathroom the entire night, no matter
day or night.
I hated it over there.

(39:36):
Completely hated it.
Oh, yeah.
Bad vibes there.
All night.
All night.
And I know in that back area,that's where that poor man fell.
And then he made it throughthe fall, went to the hospital, I
believe, and later died there.
But I feel like it wasn't thatin my heart.
I don't know why.
Like a guy falling in a tragic accident.
I did not get that vibe.

(39:58):
I got someone with very badintentions out there.
I got predatory vibes.
Yes, yes.
And that's interesting becausethe woman that Scott works with says
that there perhaps might be aman in the area who did not so great
things to kids and now feelsremorseful for it.
But I felt no remorse of anything.
It was just bad.

(40:18):
I never had a feeling of,like, guilt or shame or remorse.
It was.
When I had feelings like that,there was no I'm sorry.
It was simply monstrous, ifyou will.
That's the vibe that I got.
Yeah.
And it wasn't all the time,but when it was there, it was like.
No, but anyways, yeah, it sucked.
Fuck that thing.
At one point, I took a pictureover there and it was like a weird

(40:39):
ass picture.
The shadows back there thatwere very strange, they didn't match
what was there in the daylight.
So we couldn't quiteunderstand, like, why it looked that
way.
But we did take a picture thenext day to like, compare.
What are we looking like, whatare they?
Would could anything we see inthe daylight explain these shadows?
I don't think they did, no.
We did debunk something else, though.

(41:00):
We saw a light as Ben waswalking and I was like, where is
this light?
I don't remember anythingbeing there.
But when we did go during theday, there was like a camera thing
there and you couldn't see itat night.
It was just too dark.
So we did try to like, belike, this is not real.
This makes sense.
That we couldn't explain.
But during the night too, wealso had several situations where

(41:24):
whatever we were talking towas referencing something else.
And it was very specific.
Like, we understood prettyquick what it was referencing.
At one point it did reference Villisca.
We're.
We're certain of it.
Yeah, it said things likefarm, family.
And then a few minutes later,I'm pretty sure it said more.

(41:45):
It did say more.
And then mine said axe at one point.
I'm looking at my transcript now.
So it said axe at one point itsaid Axe was used haunted land.
And at one point it said, bequiet and listen.
Very, very specific.
Throughout the night, like wesaid, it kind of like went back and
forth.
It would be okay, and then itwould get really dark and scary and

(42:06):
then it would be okay kind of.
We'd still have that ickyfeeling here and there.
But then when we were likethinking perhaps it was the person
who worked there had mentionedwhere it was like a guy who did bad
things.
Right.
And we thought maybe it was that.
Like, mine did say predatorybehavior at one point and remorse,
and I was like, okay, maybe.
But then it just wentcompletely dark.

(42:27):
Yeah.
When we were hearing theVilliska references, that was one
of the situations where itfelt like there were a lot of people
talking at Once.
So it was like, interspersedbetween other things.
My experience was that it feltlike there was lots of different
energies there, and it waschaotic and fighting over the mic
kind of deal.
That's very much how Iperceived it.
It did not feel like a whollysinister moment when that happened.

(42:50):
Right, agreed.
But I know, I think you saidthis, like, had a look on your face.
And then I was like, oh, it's.
It's doing it again where it'stalking about Villiska.
And I think at that point,too, mine, like, before it was fully
into it, mine had said,opening the portal.
Yes.
And then that's when theVillisco talk started.

(43:10):
And we were like, oh, thatthing better not be here.
Cause I'll fight it this time.
And one of the things that wereally considered when we were doing
this was we're hearing these references.
My initial thought at the timewas, how does it know to bring this
up?
And then on Rewatch, I saw howmuch we talked about Villiska before
it ever seemed to bring it up.

(43:30):
And I wondered if whatever wewere talking to figured out a pressure
point and knew enough about,you know, whatever.
But I remember when I wasrewatching things, I was like, you
know what?
In the future, we need to makesure that we don't reference our
other investigations thatclearly and that specifically.
And maybe we have code wordsthat we use very purposefully so

(43:51):
that we're not perhaps addingsomething to the mix that wasn't
there before.
Didn't occur to me that thatwould happen, especially because
we.
We had a certain.
We just didn't have any ideaof what we were going to encounter.
I didn't think it.
That would be weaponized, Iguess, is the only way I can think
to describe it.
Yeah.
Because it didn't feel like itwas casually bringing it up.
I agree.
I agree.
Yeah.
And we have a clip from Lexiabout this as well.

(44:14):
I just remember the clearfeeling of, like, things were going
again, downhill.
Not as quickly, a little bitmore slowly, a little bit more methodically,
maybe.
Like something was kind ofpicking, picking at the nerves and
trying to see.
I had likened it to throwingthe spaghetti at the wall to see
what would stick because ofthe things that were coming over
the box.

(44:35):
And I remember there were somethings coming over the Poltergeist
script that were like bloodmurder acts.
And I remember kind of likelooking at Lindsay because we were
sitting next to each otherbecause we're like cold twins.
Like, we always feel like thecold, like, energy.
We always, like, kind ofVerify each other's, like, feeling

(44:58):
the coldness.
We were sitting next to eachother and kind of looked at her,
and I don't remember what shesaid or maybe if I said something
first, but I was like, don'tthink it, because I'm already thinking
it.
And she was like, I'm already.
I've already have beenthinking it most of the evening with
some of the things that werecoming over the Poulter script.
And I was just like, great,okay, that's happening.

(45:20):
But kind of like, don't thinkabout it.
It's not that.
There's no way that it can be that.
But there was a point where Iwas like, I need to kind of sit.
There was that bench along the wall.
It's like, I just want to situp here and just kind of like, tap
out for a minute, just obs.
I don't want to be askingquestions maybe necessarily, or just
kind of like, take it easy,take a backseat for a minute.

(45:41):
Because things were startingto get overwhelming.
And then I don't think I heardit come over the Poulter script,
but I heard you all freakingout about the Polter script, and
I was like, what?
What did it say?
You guys were like, theMoore's family.
And I instant panicked becauseit was that same dark feeling, and
it had been slowly devolving,and now we're talking about acts
and murder and blood and more family.

(46:04):
It's back to Meliska.
And so I start to instantly panic.
I was like, okay, I'm done.
I'm done.
I want to go.
It just.
The anxiety took over.
I wasn't hiding it anymore.
I was like, I'm done.
We gotta go.
Like, I.
I don't like this.
I don't.
If this is the same thing, Idon't want to mess with it again.
We gotta go.
Or at the very least, I wasnot prepared to mess with it again,

(46:25):
because I know we have talkedabout going back to Villisca, but
regardless, was not preparedin that state.
I thought we were just goingto come and talk to, you know, they
thought maybe a little girlwas haunting the building, or they
thought maybe this older manwho had fallen off the roof was haunting
the building.
And now it's like, potentiallythis thing that's, like, linked to
Villisca.
And I was just like, no, Idon't like this.

(46:46):
And I remember Amandaspecifically being like, no, we're
not going to be scared.
We're not gonna let it run us out.
We're not going to keep, youknow, letting It.
Or whatever these things are,if they're separate, you know, whatever.
It.
This isn't gonna, you know,run us off again.
Like, we're not.
And it wasn't, you know, meanor, like, malicious.
I didn't take it as her beinglike, no, sit down, or anything like

(47:07):
that, but I was just kind oflike, okay, that was the calming
presence that I needed.
Okay.
I settled back down.
I settled back into my seat.
Everybody else kind of seemedto have that general like, yes, we
are not running out again.
This isn't going to get us again.
And so when we're talkingabout something, like, dark and not
very kind, I think myimpression is it was just trying

(47:28):
to get a rise out of us.
Like, it was trying its best,and it was playing with pressure
points.
Like, you kind of said, like,oh, Villisca was one that kind of
freaked them out.
I'm gonna do that.
And then now that we're overthat one, let's keep going.
So at one point, it startedreferencing some information about
one of our investigators, oneof our friends, family members.

(47:50):
It was saying words that shecould connect to her family.
And so that made her veryuncomfortable, which obviously.
Yeah, that.
That's uncomfortable.
It's important to note herethat it's not just like, oh, this
could do it.
It's in succession.
Yes.
Yeah.
It's all but saying the phrase.
And that feels a lot differentthan name begins with J.

(48:12):
Yes.
Agreed.
Or, like, a person's, like,favorite color, where it's, like,
it could be about them versusvery specific data.
That's very different.
It is.
What we were experiencing wasspecific data.
I feel like it was going up toeach of us one by one and trying
to find our buttons.
So it picked one of us firstand then continued to move on.

(48:34):
Yes.
Yes.
And then the next target forwhatever this was was Lindsay.
So when this happened, we'restanding out front and the polter
script was doing this thingwhere it kept saying states, and
it seemed as though when itwas mentioning a car, and then we.
It said a state right after,and I was like, oh, my gosh, I wonder
if that's on the license plate.

(48:55):
So I was like, ben, go look.
So then Ben's running down thestreet to, like, chase this car.
We're all laughing, we'rehaving a good time.
Things are light and breezy,and we feel good.
I don't feel any sinister stuff.
Yeah, I think that's one ofthe reasons that it caught me off
guard so much, becauseeverything came through on the poultry
script.
Which was what I was holding.
It gave incredibly specificreferences to a traumatic part of

(49:20):
my life that a lot of my PTSDis centered around.
And it gave names, it gave ages.
It was specific, and it felt personal.
I was having, like, thislovely time, and then I spent the
next half hour trying to nothave a PTSD episode.
I was so caught off guard byit that my brain wasn't prepared
to be triggered in that way.

(49:42):
It was just so strange and so specific.
So the tone immediatelychanged for me.
And in that moment, I waslike, oh, this.
This feels dark.
But it.
It felt so incongruent to themood that we were in when that happened.
Yes.
And from that point on, I feellike the experiences that I was having
felt really different fromeverybody else.

(50:04):
So we go into the next part.
I'm on my phone trying to,like, look up things about that picture.
Like, I'm researching earrings.
I'm like, I do not want tobring this to the group's attention.
Like, how I'm feelingemotionally right now.
I just like it.
It doesn't feel like it's agood idea.
It doesn't feel like I want to.
We also had a live streamgoing, but I'm on my phone, and I'm
doing that, and I am activelythinking to myself that that was

(50:27):
a purposeful action onwhatever entity's part to get this
response out of me.
And, you know, I did what I dowhen I'm in that moment and trying
to, like, be fine.
And I'm like, okay, I am inthe here and now.
I am not in this situation.
I am not threatened.
I am okay.
I'm giving myself Reiki.
I'm, like, working through it.

(50:48):
Part of how I experience thatis that I feel just incredible sadness,
right?
And I remember thinking, I'mgonna breathe in, and when I breathe
out, I'm gonna breathe outthis sadness.
And I do that.
And I kid you fucking not,literally, the breath leaves my mouth,
and two people are like, Ijust feel this overwhelming sadness
right now.
I just want to cry.

(51:09):
I feel so sad right now.
And everybody's kind ofnoting, like, how it feels heavier
and darker.
And it's truly like, I'm like,I'm going to exhale out sadness,
and then I'm going to.
I'm going to move on, becausethis is a temporary feeling.
I wasn't talking about itbefore, so I certainly wasn't gonna
be like, sorry, I don't knowwhat the fuck just happened.

(51:30):
It was so bizarre.
And I had never experiencedanything quite like that.
So I even wrote down, I waslike, okay, I'm feeling really sad.
I'm gonna breathe this out.
It's gonna be fine.
And then I wrote, everyone nowbegins to feel sad immediately after.
Like, I'm like, uh, that'sfucking weird.
And what they were talkingabout wasn't necessarily a cheery

(51:53):
thing that was going on.
So it's not that it couldn'related to what was, like, generally
going on.
It was just second to second match.
Interesting.
And I.
I remember at that moment, Iwas like, just like, blinking, just
wildly uncomfortable with thatexperience of it.
I was just kind of likechilling and vibing at that moment
because I stayed quiet for alittle bit.
Cause I was like, I kind ofknow what they're talking about,

(52:14):
so I don't want to jump inwith questions they've already asked.
But, yeah, that was bizarre.
Hey, at least it worked.
I mean, I guess, but I don't, like.
I don't want to, like, push itonto other people if it did.
I'm glad I was able toeffectively handle my emotions and
being able to, like, stay outof a PTSD episode.
But it was.
It was jarring to see, like,I'm figuring my shit out, a ghost

(52:36):
is making people sad.
Who the fuck knows?
But it was just so surreal.
Yeah, that's.
That's interesting.
And it's not like you sharedthat during the investigation either.
It was after.
Yeah.
Yeah.
When Lexi sent us her audioclip about how, you know, she experienced
everything, one of the thingsshe included was how she felt in

(52:56):
this moment.
And I remember three of usbecoming super overwhelmed.
And it was eenie, me and Amanda.
And I remember just beinglike, oh, my God, I feel like I'm
going to start bawling.
And that's not who I usuallyam at all in terms of, like, feelings

(53:17):
like that.
I usually can kind of, like,cover things or stuff things down
or whatever you want to say,but I was just so overwhelmed with
emotion.
And I just started bawling,covering my face, sobbing.
And I just remember saying,I'm sorry you feel so sad.
So we continued on, but wewere not sharing with each other

(53:40):
as it was picking on us, whichI think now that I look at it, we
probably should have.
But we were all trying to belike, we're not gonna let it get
to us, which is good becausewe don't want it to.
But I think had we known, weprobably would have been like, a
united front instead of eachof us trying to, like, defend ourselves.
Yeah.
It picked incredibly personalthings for Everybody.

(54:01):
It did.
And I wasn't comfortablesaying what was going on with me
because there was a livestream going on and I simply was
not gonna, like, put that outthere in that moment.
Because I bring this up not tobe like, this is entertainment, but
to bring it up as my experience.
And it felt like if I wasbringing it up in that moment, it
felt more like I wasentertaining people with my trauma.
And that's not something Iever want to do.

(54:21):
And I think that in the futureprobably have live streams.
We just need to figure out away to, like, communicate.
We need a moment off camera.
Yeah.
Like a pause.
And we don't know what's goingto come of it either.
Exactly.
We need to figure out how tocommunicate that so we can figure
out, like, where's our limit?
Agreed.
Agreed.
Because I think we were unitedand then it was just like, yeah,
picking us off one by one,kind of.

(54:43):
And also I will say that nexttime, like, we're learning.
Right.
Like, this is a learningexperience as a group that we've
been investigating with.
And it's going to be differentwith every group you go with.
No matter what you're investigating.
If it's a public tour, if it'swith friends, there's always going
to be differences because Iinvestigate all the time.
But it never seems to be asheavy as with a bunch of people that

(55:04):
are sensitive.
Right?
Yeah.
We're fishing with sonar.
Yes.
And we brought it up and thenwe just didn't listen to ourselves.
But when we were at Villisca,we said, we're not going to have
a really long day and a busyday before and during the investigation
because it drains us and thenwe're not as strong later.
And we did not listen to ourown advice.

(55:25):
And that day we had a verybusy day and we were out in the sun
all day.
So I think on top of it beingan asshole, we were also mentally
and physically spent.
So we weren't as strong as weshould have been to be like, get
the fuck out.
And we, we did, like, we diddefend ourselves a couple times,
but I feel like our energyjust wasn't top notch at that moment.

(55:46):
I feel like our energy wasn'ttop notch.
But I do think that because Iwas exhausted, I picked up on intricacies
and energies in a different way.
I felt like there was timeswhen I was more tuned in because
I was simply too exhausted to.
Not a good example is like,the end in, like the way that I felt
at the end.
And we'll talk about that whenwe get to our end impressions in,

(56:08):
like, literally just a second.
But I felt like I was able tojust appreciate it differently because
of that exhaustion, because Ididn't have the.
The mental fortitude.
And that's not great, right?
Exactly.
And so, yeah, let's talk aboutthe end.
So it's been picking on us allnight, little by little by little
and kind of chipping us away.
And we were like, okay, let'sdo another Estes Method.

(56:31):
And I went outside with, Ithink, Scott and Ben.
That's the first time Scottwent outside as well, that I remember
at least.
And they're doing the Estes method.
And I'm just have myNecrometer app open and I'm hearing
like some of the answerscoming through and it.
Everything seems okay.
And then it says a veryspecific description, I'll say, because

(56:52):
I'm not going to get as personal.
Like, Lindsay also did not.
But it said a certain wordthat is connected to a family member.
And I was like, that's interesting.
But that could also just benothing, you know, like, I'm not
going to.
I'm not going to think it.
I'm just going to be like, offlimits is what I said in my head.
Off limits.
That's an off limits topic.
And then it said another wordand I was like, off limits.

(57:13):
Fuck you.
Off limits.
And then it said a name of theindividual that everything is connected
to.
And that's when I said, I'm done.
Fuck you, I'm done.
And walked in.
And like, I was so mad that itsaid the off limits word.
Yes.
And I'm mad at myself too, ina way for thinking the word, because
I know that that could, like,put it out into the universe.

(57:36):
But I was like, that's off limits.
I don't care what you say, butthat's off limits.
And so at that moment, I waslike, I'm done.
And everyone was supersupportive and was like, yeah, you
know what?
We're all done, because it'sbeen an asshole all night and it
doesn't get any more of our time.
So we ended the investigationkind of suddenly, but I think it
did not deserve any more ofour time either.
And I was upset that it said it.

(57:57):
I agree.
I was like, I'm.
I'm done.
Everyone's done.
It's been an asshole.
I knew that it had gotten toLindsay a little bit, but I didn't
know specifics because ofcourse, we were on camera.
I knew something, but not specifics.
And later I was like, God damn it.
I would have fought the thing right.
Before this experience thatyou had.
We had audio of me during mySD session so I could match it up

(58:19):
with the questions they wereasking outside when we were looking
at it.
And several times Amanda,Scott, and Ben said, we're not talking
about other things.
What Amanda said is,literally, we are going to speak
about this particular plot ofland and who moves these toys?
Who is it that moves the toysin the room in front of me?
She recalibrated.

(58:39):
And in that same moment, Benand Scott also, they echoed that
sentiment.
And they even did it beforethat as well.
The way that my SD sessionstarts is, hi, fuck you.
Him.
Fuck Billi.
Is it blood?
And immediately outside,they're like, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, we're not doing this.
My SD's method starts off in,like, a shitty way.

(59:01):
Yeah, yeah.
It just continues on.
Which, again, we're gonna playit after our outro, but it continues
on.
And Amanda's like, no, I mean,like, very strongly.
We're not doing this.
We're not having it.
And it continues on despite this.
And I think that it was alwaysgoing to come to a head in that way
where that was where we weregoing to end up.

(59:22):
I know that we ended on this moment.
You were so rightfully in a.
In a moment of absolute.
Lutely not.
We're done.
What was your generalimpression at the end of it?
I was just furious.
I was so mad that it tooksomething that was.
I mean, it's not always goingto be joyful.
Yeah.
But it was a learning.
Right.
Like, not everything's gonnabe hide and seek with little kids.

(59:44):
We had the lighthouse thenight before.
No.
And going from that.
Yeah.
And it's.
It's not necessarily.
Yeah.
That it wasn't, like, fun and childlike.
It was more.
You were taking away the joythat we had as well and our security,
and it was just trying to fuckwith us.

(01:00:05):
And I was so mad at the end.
And afterwards, we all walkedaround for a little bit just to,
like, get to a different vibeand, like, feel a little bit better.
We got some food, and thenLindsay and I stayed up Till what,
like 7 or 8am Just talkingabout it and how mad we were that
it got to us.
Whenever you listen to theaudio of any of our stuff, and if

(01:00:26):
you listen to this, you willknow that I'm chronically unserious,
that if I'm gonna do anything,I'm gonna lighten the mood.
I'm a little goof.
Yeah.
And that stopped a lot once Ihad my experience, which was relatively
early on.
It was like, no, no, no.
You're not gonna lighten this, sweetheart.
I'm the goofy one.
I say that with so much lovefor everybody who was there with
us.
Amanda's the most, like,authoritative person in the room,

(01:00:49):
in my opinion.
So I felt like it was like,you think you're the strong one?
Watch me make you break.
You think you're the funny one?
Watch me make you cry.
I know the difference betweenwhen I have a PTSD episode and I
know when I don't.
And I didn't.
So I don't liken any of thisto that, because as the night goes
on, I get this gut feelingthat we're being lied to.

(01:01:13):
Yes.
And she shared that with us atour middle of the night snack.
And I shared it with Ben.
During the middle of it, Iwhispered to him.
I was like, I feel like I'mbeing fucking lied to.
And I felt, like, mad about it.
As the night goes on, thatquiet rage builds and builds and
builds and builds.

(01:01:34):
By the time that all is saidand done, we're packing up, and I'm
getting angrier and, like, Iam mad on behalf of Amanda.
Like, I absolutely am.
I'm, like, absolutely fuckingliterally not.
We're not doing that.
But this didn't feel like thatin that this didn't feel like my
anger.
Interesting.
It felt like I was wearingsomebody else's coat.

(01:01:55):
That's the way that Idescribed feeling something else's
emotions.
Like, that's what it felt like.
I felt it so much that, youknow, like, when you wear somebody
else's coat, you still feel warm.
Yeah.
I felt, like, the residual anger.
And I can acknowledge thatsome of that is mine, some of it's
not.
But the distinct impression ofbeing lied to feels so strong.
Like, so strong that I can'tstop thinking about it.

(01:02:16):
I've never had such a specificimpression after, like, a paranormal
experience of, like, you know,I felt, like, mad or happy or scared
or sad or, like, joy becausewe played hide and seek with ghost,
or highly unsettled because Igot pushed by a ghost.
Right.
Like, I felt those kinds ofthings, but I've never felt something
so honed in.
Like, I feel like I'm beinglied to in some big, important, fundamental

(01:02:39):
way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a strange, strangeinvestigation, for sure.
Yes.
And at the end, yeah, I think.
I think, like, I was so mad,and I wanted it to know, like, yeah,
you.
You got to me, sure.
But you still don't win.
Like, I'm still not afraid of you.
I'm mad at you.
It's kind of like.
It's not fear.
It's.

(01:02:59):
I'm taking this away from you.
I'm taking your way ofspeaking to us and fucking with us
by leaving.
Yeah.
Speaking to me is a privilege.
You just lost that privilege.
Yeah.
Which also I would sothoroughly suggest that everyone
remember that speaking to youis a privilege and that people earn
that privilege by how theytreat you.
And you can revoke thatprivilege at any time unless you

(01:03:21):
are their caregiver.
And you can't do that.
Like, if your kid's a dick,you can't be like, fuck you.
I'm not talking to you.
But if somebody else in yourlife who is an adult is an asshole
to you, you get to revoke thatfucking privilege.
Whether it's a ghost or a person.
Or a person ghost, you get todo it all anyway.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We turned everything off andwe're like, done.

(01:03:41):
Sorry.
Other others who were here,but they ruined it.
Yeah, they ruined it for everyone.
But, like, the area for sure.
To wrap it up a little, Ithink there's stuff there.
Obviously, it's St.
Augustine.
There's stuff there.
There's stuff fucking everywhere.
That back courtyard is fucked.
I hate it.
I hate everything about it.

(01:04:02):
So sorry to the people thathave an Airbnb back there.
Like, not my thing.
Never.
Nah.
And then, yeah, like, I feellike there's something in.
I don't know.
I'm gonna call it like the schoolroom.
Right?
Like the schoolroom area.
There's something.
I don't think that thatnecessarily is the bad thing there.
I think there's stuff there.
But that fucked up thing Ithink was just in the town and decided,

(01:04:23):
hey, I can fuck with these people.
I don't think it lives there.
Whatever's in the bathroom, though.
I don't know.
I don't even think we spokewith whatever that is.
Mm.
Mm.
No.
Whatever's in the area, itjust stood and watched in a way is
like the way the feeling I get.
I think it stood in just eeriness.
It was unsettling.
I think that the worst of itwas passing through.

(01:04:44):
Alternatively, whatever wasmaking me have that very particular
feeling of being lied to, Ithink is tied to something about
that building or somethinghaving to do with that building and
that there is some very realtruth that is not shared.
Yeah.
A secret of sorts.
A secret of sorts.
And I say that because, if youremember our Casadega episode and

(01:05:09):
our lighthouse episode, wetalked about two different interactions
where we had someone say, thetruth will be revealed.
Da, da, da.
Right.
And for the next night, fromwhen I'm not even thinking of that,
to have this just gut knowingthat I'm being lied to and that there's,
like, lies, like, big,painful, real lies.

(01:05:31):
My impression of it stuck withthe building and such.
It didn't.
It wasn't like, I feel likeeveryone's lying to me.
It was like, I feel like thebuilding and such has to do with
that.
Yeah.
And like we said before, Lexisent us something that really went
over her perspective of the night.
So we're just going to playthe rest of hers now.
We have broken some of it up,but everything left over, we're gonna

(01:05:53):
play.
But I remember y' all wentoutside to do the questions, and
I was texting Lindsay's answers.
And I remember just kind offeeling unnerved and watched and
not again.
I couldn't make sense of,obviously, the answers that she was
saying, because I didn't knowwhat the questions were, but I didn't

(01:06:14):
like it.
And then I remember kind offaintly hearing Ben's voice being
like, no.
And maybe something along thelines of like, we're done.
Like, this is we're done.
And y' all came back inside.
And I kind of tapped Lindsayto be like, all right, we're done.
We're tapped out.
We're done.

(01:06:34):
When she was coming out, shelooked at Amanda and was like, oh,
what's wrong?
Because she would tellsomething was off.
And it's one of those things.
I remember Amanda saying that,like, you're okay till somebody asks
if you're okay.
And she just started bawling,I don't want to.
You know, it didn't happen to me.
And obviously, this is Yalls podcast.
I'm sure you've talked aboutit or will be talking about it, but

(01:06:57):
more or less, whatever thisdark entity thing is went after Amanda
in the lowest way possible.
And that was when we calledit, we're done.
And I just remember beinglike, it was because she was the
one to kind of, like, stand upto it and kind of, like, provide

(01:07:20):
that calming presence again,not in a negative way towards any
of us, but that thing probablydidn't like that.
So it's kind of like, okay,you are the one that I'm going to
try to break down.
And so finally, we were justlike, we're done.
We're not doing this anymore.
You're not welcome to speak to us.
This way kind of thing and we left.
But I remember still havingall that like antsy energy because.

(01:07:40):
Because it was just so anxietyinducing and so scary that we ended
up walking around downtown St.
Augustine just to like kind ofwalk it off kind of thing.
And then we went, you know, toWaffle House for a little bit again,
just to kind of like blow offsteam and talk about it.
I don't know what these things are.
They're certainly not a human spirit.

(01:08:02):
I don't think it's the samething as Villiska.
I think they're the samepeople thing.
And I think it just kind ofagain was trying to see what would
stick and saying stuff andonce it started figuring out, you
know, and even I think Ini wasthe one that said that the spirit
will gossip.
So like maybe it's heard whatwe had gone through before and was
trying to like create thatsame fear in us that we had in Villisca

(01:08:25):
to feed off of it.
Don't know.
And I don't know if it'ssomething that haunts there all the
time or maybe it was somethingthat followed us in maybe from the
fort.
Because I know they hadn'tdescribed anything like that feeling,
that darkness in that building.
So I don't know.
But I guess we will just seethe more we review the videos and

(01:08:50):
recordings and such goingforward and all of our future trips
together.
And then here's Ben's end ofthe night thoughts.
I think that at first when wedid get a feeling of a presence,
it was that of children oryounger individuals.
Something that not so muchmischievous or anything like that,

(01:09:13):
but just kind of a little kidbehavior type of vibe.
And then as it I said gotlater, it got a little bit darker
in how it felt.
I did participate in doing theEstes method sitting outside.
And the responses I wasgetting were a little interesting

(01:09:37):
and odd.
Of course, doing that outsideand separated from the group.
A lot of what I was saying outloud didn't make a lot of sense to
me.
At one point I was being drawnto go outside.
In the back of the treasurechest there was a little patio courtyard
type of space that was prettydark out there.

(01:09:59):
And there was something thatkept pulling me out there that I
felt it kept trying to pull meout there.
And I started wandering outthere a few times and eventually
I had to stop myself and say,no, we're not.
We're not going out here.
Something out here doesn'tfeel quite right.
I believe someone else in ourgroup felt the same, but I can't

(01:10:21):
remember who that was, but weboth in the backyard did not have
good feelings and stoppedgoing back there and kept ourselves
to either the side of thebuilding, like near where the restroom
was or right by the backyarddoor or in the treasure chest specifically.
So, yeah, and what started outas a why are we here?

(01:10:43):
I don't feel anything kind ofsituation turned to a I feel uncomfy
and I don't know about thisand I am certainly ready to go home
or to our Airbnb, as it were.
9 so this episode specificallyis a little different.
Like we, we got to chat alittle bit about it, but we would

(01:11:04):
love your feedback on that too.
Do you like the organizedinvestigations where it's step by
step, or do you like the.
The more back and forth oflike our feelings and thoughts of
the investigation as it kindof comes up?
Yeah, just interested becausethis is much different than our typical
episodes.
Yeah, you can like shoot us amessage on any social media or send

(01:11:25):
us an email about it.
We would appreciate that,whether it's good or bad feedback
because we went back and forthon whether to do an episode on this
because it wasn't such a clearnarrative of like how, how things
were and what the story is.
So that would be very helpful.
Yeah, but we can't controlalso what's going to happen.
Sometimes it's like a grab bagof nonsense and then sometimes it's

(01:11:45):
playing hide and seek with children.
So, yeah, depending on howthat goes, it might change how we
decide to have episodes onthings in the future.
If we have a situation wherewe've talked about doing an investigation
but there' there simply wasn'tanything that was like a narrative
or it's like, you know, a morelike here's how we'll share it, like
the Lighthouse or Villisca,for example.

(01:12:05):
And that means we might not doepisodes on them, which means that
the only people who are goingto possibly see a live stream are
our patrons.
So just an important note there.
So this was just.
Yeah, one of threeinvestigations that we did in St.
Augustine.
We will have at least one moreepisode coming up.
But we are banging andclanging our way through what feels

(01:12:26):
like millions of hours offootage and audio and cell phone
videos and pictures.
And the one that we're looking.
Yes, and pictures.
And the one that we're lookingup now we are doing frame by frame,
but also comparing timesbecause we have footage from different
rooms at the same time.
So it takes a little bit longer.
And we mentioned to ourPatreons a Little special boost that

(01:12:47):
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But we just want to thank youagain for making this show possible.
Not only do you make ourregular episodes possible, but you've
made it possible for us toinvestigate some of the places that
we've talked about.
We absolutely love sharing itwith you and we appreciate you so,
so much.
And we are just so excited tocontinue hanging out with you on
our discord and all the things.

(01:13:09):
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(01:13:53):
I beg of you.
Hey, sweet cheeks.
It's me, Ursula.
I'm here to introduce theEstes Sessions.
First up is Lexi.
Hello, Scott.
Yes, it was like dead silentand then just like.
And it like startled me.

(01:14:15):
Please, please stop Emma.
Mentally it was.
There's just like a lot ofvoices like going around alone.
You're lying.
What?
Sure you look Emily wish your son.

(01:14:36):
Is that Scott?
I'm a lathe.
Run one present.
Do you want that help Ray?
Me?
I'm not.
No.
It's like silent cuz it.
It'll go through like periodswhere it's like just quiet like nothing.
And then all of a sudden it'sjust like.

(01:14:56):
Like multiple.
Yeah.
And like talking at one time.
And so it was getting veryhard to pick things out.
But multiple times I heard,heard like Emma or like Emily and
like Ray or like I only saidit the one time, but I heard it like
another time.
It was like hard to pick out.
I was like did I hear them say Ray?
I heard like Ray.
But it was like Ray and like.
Like do Ray.

(01:15:17):
Yeah, maybe.
I'm back, baby.
Here's Ben's st's session.
Hello.
Yes, that's impossible.
Happy or help me.
But there's a lot ofwhispering help.
Could be he hates himself.
Lock the door.
I'm not going to stop.
Does he suspect?
Sounded like they said contour.
But it was like in a questionbody position.

(01:15:41):
Stop.
No.
Sh.
I want this.
God.
Take it.
Take him.
Money.
Dreams.
It's great.
That was very clear.
Figure something out.
Murder.
I am good.

(01:16:02):
I'm helping you.
No, no.
There's just a lot that camethrough that I couldn't really understand.
There's like a growl.
Think forehead.
Breathe.
Help.
Are you looking for me?
We're here.
You people tell me about.
Out.

(01:16:22):
Are you here?
Horse.
Greed.
You're cute.
Tickle.

(01:16:43):
Sleep.
This one.
Okay.
Snatch.
Ow.
Outside.
Dad.
I'll break.
I'm not.
You'll look.
Lexi.
Look.
Is this sleep?
Good word yet?

(01:17:09):
Speaking.
But I'm not able to understand.
But a lot of what it's saying.
Idiot.
Nut.
No.
Don't.
Edge pain.
Benji's whispering.
Be cool.
Looking for me?

(01:17:30):
Lexi.
Back here.
They will never let us be together.
Live here or leave here.
I know you missed me darling.
Lastly, here's Lindsay's Estes session.
Hi.
Fuck you, Tim.
Fuck.
Billy.
Is it blood Boy?

(01:17:51):
You whispered.
Silence.
350us whispered.
And then us whispered again.
But with this.
Have you been to the railroad?
I'm waiting for you.
Believe.
Don't.
In different voice.
Whispered unintelligible back me.
I'm gonna pause it really quick.

(01:18:11):
I couldn't hear what it saidbut it was like in the cadence of
an old timey like revival preacher.
Do you know what I mean?
Like that was like the tone of it.
And it did it twice.
And after I said I'm gonnapause it.
I clicked stop.
And it kept going.
And it did it again.
But I couldn't understand the words.
I don't know how you write that.
It's probably not an answer toany question.

(01:18:32):
But.
So I'm saying it aloud.
And for this.
Yeah, perfect.
Hi.
Whispered.
I'm sitting.
One blow.
Awkward.
I am sitting with spirits.

(01:18:55):
Jimin's looking.
And he was looking at me.
Look.
And he was looking at me againwhen I said look.
He's going to come.
It's whispered.
I will whispered she Lindsay.
He's coming.
Everybody.
Night time.
Benjamin's.

(01:19:15):
I felt leave.
And then.
No.
Somebody else's voice.
This could be the same person.
It's the same person.
The name.
Listen.
Same Say his name up on name.
The name.
Different voice.
Pure blood.
I get around me.

(01:19:37):
They're part of us.
But it's every.
It's like different voiceseach time.
Like they are us.
But like each word's adifferent voice.
Silence.
I'm fine.
Whispered in like I'm fine.
Yeah.
Rich.
Mmm.
Thinking of a And then it'slike thermos.

(01:20:00):
Or like thermostat.
Jules Velvet moaning and thenit said, you're welcome.
You heard me say I want to win.
Lancy Listening, silence.
All of them very clear, though.
Listen in your own way.
Use the and then.

(01:20:21):
Dead silence.
Kitchen Ghost.

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