True Crime Digest 21: Mercedes Vega, Dyatlov Pass, Asha Degree, Donald Studey, and the murders of Erin Bellanger; Michelle Nathan; Roberto Gonzalez; Anthony Vega; Francisco Ayo-Roman; and Jonathan Gleason (AKA the Deltona Massacre)

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Hey, everybody. Welcome to our21st True Crime Digest.
It's of drinking age.
It's of drinking age. What a.What a time. When we started doing
these, originally we weredoing them every month. And then
we were like, this is onequarter of our episodes. This is
too much. So now we do themsporadically, which is why it's only
our 21st, I guess. But in caseyou don't know, True crime died us
episodes are where we givecase updates on episodes we've already

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discussed. Sometimes we'llcover new cases in these episodes
too, but we've got so manyupdates that there won't be any fresh
cases, just fresh updates.Because it's also been since November
of last year.
Yeah.
But it's a good thing. It'sgood that a lot of these cases are
moving along.
Yes, yes. Some of these casesare as far back as our first few
months in True Creeps. Sowe're going to give a brief recap

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of each case before we getinto the updates. So if you haven't
been listening to us forever,still worth listening to because
you'll hear a little bit aboutthe case, you'll hear what's going
on and. And then you can go,hmm, I wanna hear more. The full
length episode on any of whatwe're covering today. They'll be
listed in the show notes, soit'll say the name of the update
and then the full case episode name.
Yeah.

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So let's get right into it.The first update we have is for Asha
degree. I occasionally willfind myself just looking for updates
on it even when we're notgonna be recording because I'm invested
and this family deserves toknow what happened.
And we do do that for a lot ofour cases because we're like. It's
also. The algorithm haslearned what we wanna know, so a
lot of them just pop uporganically. Oh, is lovely to see

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that. Like, we're like, oh,something's moving along. We're getting
information and love to see it.
Yeah, yeah.
And I love to. Sometimes ourlisteners will send us messages on
social media when they find anarticle, and some of them are like
local Articles, So they're notgoing to come up very often unless
we're like, seeking them out.So thank you to those that do that.
But Asia Degree, I think itwas last week, I was just scrolling

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and I was like, oh, there wasan interview done by her cousin that
I.
Just sat and watched.
And I was like, I need to knowmore of what is happening for this
family, but let's go ahead anddo a quick recap. So on February
14th of 2000, Valentine's Day,9 year old Asha Degree went missing
from her home in Shelby, NorthCarolina. Asia was seen by drivers

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and she was walking alongHighway 18 in Shelby. So a rumor
that we had talked about,right, was that she had been seen
being pulled into a 1970sgreen Lincoln Thunderbird or a similar
vehicle. And you and I hadgone through and were like, let's
find anything that was soldaround that area that looked like
this for a while. Asha, sincethat evening has not been seen. On

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August 2nd of 2001, evidencebelonging to Asha was located in
Burke County, North Carolina,on the side of Highway 18, approximately
21 miles north of where shehad last been seen. A construction
crew working in the arealocated the evidence and turned it
into the Cleveland CountySheriff's Office. Numerous items
of evidence were collectedfrom the area, some having been identified

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as belonging to Asha and otheritems not belonging to her. In our
last update, we talked aboutsearch warrants that were executed
in September of 2024. So it'sbeen a little while. Details about
this are in our True crimedigest number 20 episode. Overall,
a ton of evidence wascollected in relation to the Dedman

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family, and we had talkedabout them as well. Lots of information
about the investigation cameto light in February of this year.
So the 25th anniversary, weare going to talk about evidence
found in relation to theDedmon daughters. We are primarily
going to be talking about twoof them today, and their names are
Lizzie and Sarah. Lizzie was16 when Asha went missing and Sarah

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was 15. A witness came forwardwho had gone to parties with the
sisters in the early 2000s. Onone occasion, while at a party, he
saw Lizzie upset andintoxicated. He then heard Lizzie
say, I killed Asha Degree.Like if you shivers down your spine.
Yeah.
Ugh. Okay. So then he alsoheard Sarah say, shut the fuck up.

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Interesting. Like sisters chitchatting while drunk, I guess.
Sistering. Yeah. Yeah.
This was surprising to thewitness because this was unlike how
he typically saw Sarah. Theygave the witness a polygraph, which
they then passed, which again,we've talked about that before, but
still interesting.
We don't always believepolygraphs, but I don't always count

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them out. I think that it'skind of a totality of the circumstances
thing where they interviewed abunch of times and they gave a consistent
story. Were they not showingsigns of, like, deception in their
body language? Were you ableto corroborate that they went to
parties with them fromsomebody else? Right. So it's like
a. If everything else checksout, this kind of just adds to the
weight of credibility becausewe're going to talk about somebody

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else who had a polygraph injust a moment, and where I'm like,
yeah, I. I kind of trust that polygraph.
Yeah.
I think it's a tool that youcan use along with other tools, but
it can't be a singular tool. Yeah.
Yeah.
Also, interestingly, lawenforcement found some texts between
the sisters, too. And today,Lindsay and I are going to read them.
If there's inflection in howwe read them, that's our interpretation.

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So text messages are kind oftricky because you don't really know
and. And you. We don't knowtheir personalities or how they speak
or anything like that.
Yeah.
Like, I think, like, when wetext each other, I can put the inflection
correctly.
Yeah.
But not with a rando. Exactly.
So because we're going to bereading the text messages to make
it make a little more sense,when you're listening, Lindsay is
going to be reading the textfrom Lizzie, and then I'll be everyone

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else in this text string, butwe'll make sure to name who we're
saying.
Yeah. Obviously, that meansthat Lizzie is one of the most consistent
people across all of the textmessages. It's either just one person
or Lizzie and someone.
Mm. Mm.
So all of these text messageshappened around September of 2024,
when they executed the searchwarrants, which is very interesting

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to think about.
Mm.
The first text Exchangehappened on September 10th of 2024.
And this is just from Sarah.Sarah. They think it's our shirt.
It's not her shirt. Sarah.Again, her mom said it wasn't hers.
Sarah. I don't remember thatshirt. I'm scared, though. Dad is
probably going to be a huge suspect.
And just as a note, that wasfor the conversation between her

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and Lizzie. So she's.
Yeah.
I mean, and I think that'sfair. Also, it's interesting to me
that in 2024, people aretalking about evidence as though
this text conversation can'tbe the subject of a search warrant.
Like, this is accessible bylaw enforcement. It seems bizarre
to be texting about.
Does very.

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Lori Valo.
Mm.
So the next day, September 11,2024, as a note for this text exchange,
Anna is another deadman'ssister. And all of the text messages
I'm going to read are from herto Lizzie. So Anna said, lizzie,
you don't need to be talkingto anyone. I'm at the lawyer's office
now. Another text. They advisewe should all not talk to them without

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representation.
I mean, duh.
Interesting. So another textexchange from September 11, 2024,
and this conversation isbetween Lizzie and her ex husband.
So Lindsay will be Lizzie. Yes.
This is going to get nothingbut worse. I'm talking to my doctor
at 5 to get something for mynerves. I'm just so worried. So,

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so worried. I mean, it's anightmare that's going to keep getting
worse. I can see nothing goodhappening anytime soon. And I'm an
optimist.
Her ex husband then said, oh,no, I hate that for y'. All.
And again, Lizzie, there's noway this is going to be okay.
Okay. So then the next day,September 12, 2024, this conversation
is between Lizzie and Sarah.

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So Lizzie says, I just talkedto David. Teddy, that's the family's
lawyer, by the way. The theoryis I did it. Accident covered it
up.
Sarah says, no, why would itbe you?
And Lizzie responds, that'swhat he said.
Okay. So another text exchangethat also happened September 12th
of 2024, was between Lizzieand her ex husband.
So Lizzie says, I feel sohorrible. So, so horrible. I don't

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know what to do. I caused this.
Her ex husband responded, no,you didn't. Again, on September 12,
2024, this conversationhappened between Lizzie and Sarah.
So Lizzie says, hey, iseverybody mad at me?
Sarah replies, nobody is.Lizzie, this is not your fault. And
not your fault is all in caps.Then a little while later, September
29th of 2024, thisconversation was between Lizzie and

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Sarah.
I'm just so anxious about,like, what's going on behind the
scenes. Like, what are theydoing now? What's going to happen
to me since I wouldn't talk tothem. And as we'll mention in a moment,
there's a point when she stopsgoing in and talking to police and
stops cooperating. And this isaround that time.
Yeah.
And so Lizzie continues, I'mafraid it's going to get worse. Well,
he told me it's going to.

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And then Sarah replies, Iknow, girl. I'm a disaster. I think
if they come at you again, youjust go and Be compliant. That's
what I'm planning on doing.
And so Lizzie says, I thinkso, too, honestly. I mean, I want
to do what dad says, but damn.
Sarah says, and maybe weshould have let you do what you originally
wanted to do.
And Lizzie says, I don't know.I really don't know.

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Sarah says, right, we don'twant something we do or say to impact
him. But we also can't beliving like this either. I mean,
I told him I'm not going to do that.
And Lizzie said, right. Oh,you did? What did he say?
Sarah said, it's not, like,worth our mental health.
And Lizzie responds, right.
Sarah said he was just like, Iwill call Teddy. We can go get a

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polygraph with the honest people.
And Lizzie responds, oh, okay.And by the way, that's O with like,
several H's, so it'sdefinitely. Oh, okay.
Yeah.
And then Sarah says, I reallydon't have it in me to go through
what you have been through.
And Lizzie responds, it's been hell.
Sarah says, just hearing aboutyour situation has made me a disaster.

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All caps, hearing about it.
And Lizzie responds, oh, I'm sorry.
Sarah then says, I just can'teven imagine going through that.
And Lizzie says, but y' allhave dealt with other stuff that
I haven't.
So this is a strange textexchange, I would say.
Yeah.
I mean, I think it's a strangetext exchange. From this exchange,
what I think happened is thatwhat Lizzie is perhaps talking about,

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this is complete speculation,is that I think that she gave some
tip that spurred the mostrecent types of evidence being looked
for, and that's what's goingon. Because the phrasing of, like,
I don't want to do somethingthat will impact dad.
Yeah.
What would you do? Becausefrom my understanding, the businesses
that they were once involvedwith, they aren't anymore. Because
I could see if he was, like, asmall business owner and if they

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answered wrong, the public wasgoing to drag them, and then it would
impact his business. Butthat's just such a specific thing
to say, is that I don't wantit to impact this one particular
person or I feel like if therewas some concrete way that this would
impact their fame family, theywould say it like that versus just
one person. Right. So ifsomebody had a business or somebody

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worked at, like, a schoolwhere that would just maybe be a
problem. Right. Like, if itwas going to impact the entire family,
you would say that versus justtheir father.
Exactly, exactly. Soobviously, we hope more is coming
of this.
Also, just as a Note, Amandamentioned it earlier, the green Thunderbird
or, like, car. When theyexecuted that search warrant, the

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family was in possession of acar that looked like that. It wasn't
a Thunderbird. It was. I thinkit was a Rambler.
Yeah. Yeah. There's picturesonline of it, too, and. Makes sense,
right? Because we. We hadspeculated just that it was that
era of car, because, like, ifyou see it very quickly, especially
at night, it's going to behard to, you know, recognize.
Yeah.
I also think that when I thinkThunderbird, I am thinking of an

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era of car. I'm not thinkingof a particular model. Just like,
if you. Somebody said, like,90s sedan, you might have, like,
a Corolla in your head, butthat doesn't mean that it's necessarily
just a Corolla.
Yeah, yeah. There was onearticle that, like, showed a picture
of the 1973 Ford Thunderbird,and then what was taken from the

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Deadman residence, and it wasa green 1964AMC Rambler. And so,
like, of course, they'recomplete different cars, but, like,
I could see the similaritiesas well. Yeah.
But also, it was nighttime, sotrying to see a dark car in the dark.
Just an old car. Yeah, like anold school car that was green.
Yeah.
And especially in such a smallarea, too, like. Okay, makes sense.

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So investigators asked Lizzieto take a polygraph, and she did.
She answered no when theyasked her whether she was concealing
information about Asha'sdisappearance, and the polygraph
showed that she was beingdeceptive. Since then, she hasn't
really cooperated with the investigation.
One of the things that I thinkis important to consider when looking
at Lizzie in particular'spolygraph result is these text messages

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where she's saying she'sanxious, she's saying she's nervous,
she's saying she's stressed.That could cause a false negative
or, like, false deception in apolygraph test.
Oh, interesting.
Like, the person's mentalstate just being chaotic or anxious
in and of itself, that couldcause that because they're so loose,
I guess. And, like, it's notan exact science. It's not. If this

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shows it's definitely a lie,it's showing that that person is
having some type of feelingwith it. I'm not saying that I think
that she was or was nothonest. I kind of think that she's
not being honest and thatsomebody in her family has something
to do with it. But, yeah,something, Something.
Yeah, there's something therethat is worth exploring. And In May
of 2025, the reward inrelation to Asia's case was raised

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to 75, 000. And I know herfamily is still out there doing interviews
when they can, especially whenit was the 25 year anniversary. They've
been all over. They're stillfighting for her. And I want to say
one of them mentioned like,oh, she's still alive.
And it's my heart, it broke my.
Heart that they're likewaiting for her.
Well, and I think that one ofthe hardest parts here is that I

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don't think I could ever justfully accept someone's death if they
just disappeared. I think thatthere would always be this part of
me that hoped until I had fullclosure. So one, there's that persistent
hope that almost. It's sopersistent that it hurts. There's
that. But then on top of it,you really can't start to grieve
until you know what happens.Like truly like really fully grieved.

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So I feel like you're in thisjust liminal space where you don't
know and like how did you, howdo you get your brain to stop? How
do you focus on anything elseother than that when somebody you
love is, is just gone?
I found the article that I, Ihad seen a while back. This was from
February of 2025. And Asia'smom was interviewed and she said,
I believe she's still alive.And until somebody can prove me wrong,

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I'm still gonna believe thatbecause all I have is hope.
Yeah.
And when they did thisinterview too, they're standing in
front of the sign that, youknow, we talked about in the original
episode. It's still there.
Yeah.
That's so heartbreaking.
People are still dedicatingtime and money and resources to it.
It actually like makes mereally happy for this.
This area. Yes.

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Because I mean, imaginedriving by that sign every day. It's
been a long time.
It's bad enough that whateverhappened to Asia happened to Asia.
It's made worse by the factthat there's not an ending. And we
barely both just hope thattheir family gets some closure. So
the next case we're going totalk about is the Deltona massacre.
As a recap, Troy Victorino andhis group murdered six people in

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Deltona, Florida. They were 22year old Aaron Bellinger, 19 year
old Michelle Nathan Francisco,Aya Roman who was 30. Anthony Vega
who was 34. Roberto Gonzalezwho was 28. And Jonathan Gleason
who was just 17 at the time ofthese murders. Victorino had had
a long history of violence andabuse and he coerced others in his
group to take part in themurders. And the people in his group

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were Jerome Hunter, BrandonGraham, Michael Salas and Robert
Cannon. Bizarrely, thecatalyst for the violence, which
was extreme and grotesque, wasa dispute over belongings, including
an Xbox, which Victorinobelieved had been unfairly taken
from him. And this is one ofthe reasons that some people refer
to this case as the Xbox murders.

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Yes.
Victorino, Hunter and Salaswere ultimately arrested and convicted
of the murders. And wepreviously mentioned that Troy Victorino
and Jerome Hunter were beingresentenced. And the jury returned
a verdict of May in this yearin that resentencing. Now, originally,
they were both sentenced todeath in Florida, but the law in
Florida changed to requirethat for capital murder cases, the

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jury had to decideunanimously. And in the original
case, they did not. However,like I mentioned a moment ago, in
May, the jury did unanimouslyrecommend the death penalty for Victorino
and Hunter. Now, the judge inthis case will ultimately decide
whether they will be sentencedto death, but the decision has yet
to be rendered on that. Itlooks like later this month there

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will be another hearing.That's coming up.
Yeah.
So one of our oldest casesthere, actually, this is our oldest
case that we're going toupdate today is the Jetliff Pass.
Now we're going to give arecap. It's not enough. There's no
way to do a recap on DyatlovPass that is enough to really get
what happened. But in onesentence. The Dyatlov Pass incident,

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it was a mystery about a groupof hikers whose remains were found
in a bizarre scene in Russia.There's tons of details. Very bizarre.
Yes.
Incredibly bizarre. There'stons of details and conspiracy theories
that range from governmentproblems to aliens to everything
in between. So if that issomething you're interested in, you

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should check that episode out.It is, I believe, episode 10. So
one of the earlier ones.Forever ago. Forever ago, yeah. So
you would think that thisincident that happened decades and
decades and decades ago, you.We would have all the photos from
it. But you'd be wrong becausenew photos were found this past May
and they were from one of theoriginal investigators. And that's

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why. Yeah. And so they foundtwo photos. They were stuck in between
journal pages, from myunderstanding. And what's so important
about these is that the photosgive a clearer picture of the order
of events that occurred duringthe investigation. One of the concerns
about just the order ofevents, of how things were found,
and specifically whether theden was found before or after the

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remains were found. And as areminder, the den was the shelter
that the victims had built inthe ravine. So it was unclear whether
they found the bodies or thismakeshift shelter in the ravine first.
The photos confirm that thedem was found first.
Interesting.
Yes. And they also provide avisual match to the clothing that
some of the people werewearing because I don't think they

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had photographic proof ofeveryone and what they were wearing.
It was based on reports andjournal entries and things like that
and what was left behind. Sothey knew. A little bit clearer on
that, but very interesting.
Yeah.
As always, our sources are inour show notes, but we have the pictures
that you can look at on there, too.
I like that occasionally,because we had signed up for any
updates. Like they have awebsite for it. And so occasionally

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I'll be scrolling through ouremail account and it'll be like,
update. And I'm like, what?And I'll click on it and be like,
my gosh.
And that's how we found thisone out. Yeah. Was from our email.
It's crazy to be like, oh, nowthere's pictures from 1959 that have
just come up. Interesting.
Yes.
Anyways, so another updatethat we have is for the Mercedes

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Vega case. And so that one's alocal one for me. As a quick recap,
Mercedes Vega was abductedfrom her Tempe, Arizona apartment
around 9pm on the evening ofSunday, April 16th of 2023. That
same evening, only a few hourslater, she was found deceased in
a Chevy Malibu that was set onfire in Tonopah, Arizona. According

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to the medical examiner'sreport, Mercedes was shot in the
arm, hit in the head, hadbleach in her throat, and eventually
died of smoke inhalation whilebeing burned alive in a car.
Horrific. Horrific.
Now we have a full episodewith the timeline of what happened.
We've also covered caseupdates and our True Crime Digest

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updates since then, too. Also,we've talked to her parents a couple
times in between that they'rewonderful people. But in our last
update, we noted that KujoYoung had been arrested, and that
was for a prior armed robberyagainst Mercedes. But there were
some big case updates rightafter our last True Crime Digest.

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Yes.
So let's talk about theupdates since then. So during their
investigation, law enforcementfound fingerprints on a cup that
was found inside the burnedvehicle with Mercedes. The fingerprints
were a match to a man namedJared Gray. So security footage and
The Chevy Malibu's OnStar datashowed that the car was at Mercedes
apartment garage the day ofthe murder. The OnStar data showed

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that The Malibu and Mercedescar went to the location where Mercedes
car was abandoned. And wetalked about that in the episode
too, because I went thereafterwards, actually, I Google mapped
the heck out of it, likeeverything. But me and my sister
in law drove from herapartment complex to where her car
was abandoned to just like geta feel for that drive too. So that's

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crazy that both cars, I thinkyou and I had speculated that both
cars made it there. Yeah. Butfor sure, Zeus, they did.
Yeah.
And one of the things that wedid in terms of research search was
Amanda and I very meticulouslydrove the possible routes on Google
Maps and marked down everymajor building that was like a big
corporate building. And welooked at the different ones and

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we found ones that we werelike, you would have a clear shot
of the road here from thefront door. And we emailed those
building companies to see ifthey had security footage. This was
because we were in contactwith Mercedes parents. We were like,
if you have it, please send itto them. And the responses that we
got was that they weren't ableto help, which is unfortunate. But
they did respond, which I wasimpressed by at least. But I'm glad

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that they could pick up theroute with the OnStar data, which
by the way, wouldn't add forOnStar data.
Right, right. Well, that andthen just it made sense like when
I went there, especially atnight and I was like, oh, this street
is horrific. At night it'sdark, it's like a dead end over here,
you could do anything. And sothat was just terrifying because

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there's like an apartmentcomplex very close, but there's a
big fence. But anyways, itmade me sad that that is available
so close especially to thecollege and bars and all of that,
that there's just this likedark, horrible street that things
like this happen at. So theChevy Malibu was bought on offerup
and the folks who picked upthe car said that Cujo Young paid

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them to pick up the car. Andoriginally Lindsay and I had found
it auctioned. Like it wasauctioned off first and then somehow
afterwards made it to offerup. Yes. So after that, DNA to a
man named Sincere Hayes wasfound in Mercedes car. So that's
three people now. And we hadtalked about three people at least

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being involved. So then on topof that, cell phone records of Young
and Hayes show them in thesame areas as the vehicles on the
day of the murder that led toarrests. In late 2024, Sincere Hayes
was arrested in Tennessee andextradited to Arizona. He was charged
with first degree murder,kidnapping, robbery and vehicle theft.

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So Hayes was charged inrelation to Mercedes murder, but
also for the previous armedrobbery that Young was arrested in
connection to as well.Prosecutors are seeking the death
penalty. In June of this year,Jared Gray and Young were charged
in relation to Mercedesmurder. Gray was charged with murder,
kidnapping, armed robbery andtheft. Young was charged with conspiracy

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to commit murder andkidnapping. Young allegedly bought
plane tickets for Gray andHayes to come to Arizona from Tennessee.
So it really does feel like hewas orchestrating this.
It really does. Yeah.
And his previous armed robberycase is still continuing. It's been
delayed many times, but it isstill going. And it is heartbreaking

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that if he had been promptlyheld responsible, Mercedes might
be alive.
Yes, I agree. And our heartsgo out to Erica and Tom. Those are
her parents. We've talked tothem a couple times, and we are excited
that there has been movementin the case and they're finally taking
stuff seriously that they'vebeen screaming at them since the
beginning. But we really hopefor the best and we'll continue to

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follow it.
And we really do hope thatthere's justice for Mercedes because.
Heartbreaking.
Yeah. Mm.
And after speaking to ourparents several times. Right. Like,
just hearing it in theirvoices. Yeah.
After.
After every phone call we'vehad with them, we've had to take
a little while and be like,this is so much. And our hearts just,
like, feel for them, and wewant law enforcement to do what they're
supposed to be doing and just.It sucks.

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Every time we talk to them, wehold our shit together while we're
talking to them, and thenAmanda and I talk about it afterwards,
and then we cry every timebecause we're just like, it's the
fucking worst. And it's been amoment since we've talked to them,
but on the times that we have,we would hold our shit together while
we talk to them. But thenafterwards when we. It was just like
the two of us chatting, that'swhen we would kind of fall apart
because we were just like,it's horrendous. And it's one of

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the worst things that a personcan experience. And to have to feel
like no one's trying forjustice for your kid on top of the
loss is unfathomably bad.
They're grieving and having towork at it, and it's just not fair.
Yeah.
Yeah. Again, the fucking worst.
Well, we're thinking of bothof you.
Yes. Yes. So speaking of thefucking worst, let's talk about Donald's

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duty. So our original episodeabout him was quite a bit ago, and
he's a possible serial killerin Iowa. Just as an interesting note,
before we get into our recapand updates, the last time we did
a Donald Studi update, we alsodid a jail F Pass 1. So I was like,
huh, that's interesting thatthey're update buddies, because,
like, they're not similar at all.
No.

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Let's do our little recap. Oneof Donald's daughters, Lucy McKinney,
has been claiming for decadesthat her father was a serial killer.
Lucy, now in her 50s, claimedthat when she was a child, she was
forced to help bury herfather's victims on the family's
property. Her claims havevaried, and they've included that
he's murdered somewherebetween five and 70 women. That's
a big fucking range, right?

(26:35):
Yeah.
We have an entire episode onthe case. I think it is fascinating.
Now, law enforcement hasexcavated areas where the family
used to live. But Lucy isadamant that when law enforcement
did that excavation, they didso in the wrong spot and that she
told them this, which soundsmaddening. It's also this massive
sprawling space. It's owned bysomebody new. They've been super

(26:56):
down to help with whatever.Right. Which as one should be, if
you think that there arebodies on your property, you should
want to find out. And I'mgoing to be really suspicious if
you don't want to.
Mm. Yeah.
It is a costly endeavorbecause this is a small community
and they obviously don't havemoney to do, like, excavation and
such like that. And I thinkthat part of the issue here was the

(27:18):
fiscal component, because Idon't think that they had the budget
to really be able to devotethe funds that were needed to do
this. So two Los Angelesproduction companies are financing
a private investigation intothis case. And this has helped fund
not just the investigationitself, but testing that's been done
and the equipment that they'llneed to do these because they've

(27:39):
done additional excavations.
Yeah.
And so I just think that'sreally interesting because I don't
think I've seen yet wherewe've had media companies come in
at the onset and go, let ushelp you investigate. Like you want
answers. This is going to becovered by the news. Let's make this
mutually beneficial.
Yeah.
Interestingly, Lucy, hercontract with them, it's a no money

(28:03):
contract. She just wants toprove that this happened. She just
wants these victims to havejustice because she's been carrying
this with her her entire life.Because it was her father and she
was there and he made Themhelp him.
I can't imagine what she'sgone through.
No. No. And so we'll talk moreabout what the production companies
have done and how they'vehelped in some specific ways later.

(28:25):
But since our last update,there have been other people who
have come forward with claimsabout Studie generally. But we've
also heard from a lot ofpeople who are bolstering Lucy's
word, who have talked to heror have some type of relationship
with her. And they're like,no, we believe her. Which I think
is very interesting, becauseyou don't always hear people coming
out going like, this person's credible.

(28:46):
Yeah.
But I think here we have sucha horrific story and not a lot of
evidence of the murdersthemselves. Just like this proven
track history of a shitty guywho does shitty things to people.
People. Yeah.
And then a lot of death aroundhim that seems very suspicious, even
with people whose deaths areknown about, like, all of his former
wives and his children sayinghe was abusive.

(29:07):
Yeah. And we've even run intosomeone who we were talking to that
knew her. And we're like,yeah. Yep. So just interesting that
organically.
Yes.
Lindsay and I met someone whobrought it up.
You were like, tell us everything.
Yes.
Because it is such aninteresting case. And I feel like
when you hear from families ofpeople who are murderers, most of

(29:29):
the time you're hearing aboutthe weight that they carry with them,
knowing that their familymember did something like this.
Yeah.
And I think that she has herentire life been trying to be loud
about this, but no one everlistened. And I think that she's
just gotten to this pointwhere she's like, I can't hold onto
this anymore. But anyhow,let's get into these updates.
Yeah, I think that's fair.That's a lot. So there were reports

(29:52):
of a massive FBI file on theinvestigation into Studie. And it's
over 600 pages. It's notavailable to the public. Hopefully,
eventually it will be. It'spossible that Studie was an informant
for another case and is namednumerous times in the document. So
that would mean the filewasn't a massive investigation into
Lucy's claims, but more of anaccumulation of all the information

(30:16):
that Studie provided to the FBI.
Yeah.
So, like, just because there'san FBI file on him doesn't mean it's
for murders. It just meansthat he has an FBI file.
In a previous episode, wementioned how one of Lucy's sisters
named Susan originally saidher father wasn't abusive, but she's
since talked about how he wasviolent and abusive. She still doesn't

(30:36):
back up what Lucy saidhappened. But, I mean, it's hard.
It's hard to talk about whenyou had a shitty childhood to anyone,
especially, like, the public.
Also, older generations arenot as forthcoming with all of the
family dirty laundry. They'remuch more of a. This happened in
the family. We just keep quietabout this. That you don't share
things outside. And inaddition to that, it is completely

(30:59):
possible that Susan does not remember.
Yeah, that's true, too. Or putit out of their head.
Because you never know howtrauma can affect a person.
Yeah.
Lucy's aunt, Marilyn Kepler,believes everything Lucy has been
telling law enforcement.Marilyn also notes that she detests
Lucy, which is interesting.
Yeah. I'm like.
She.
She's like, I fucking hateher, but I believe her.
But she's right.
Yeah. Yeah.

(31:20):
I feel like that makes it more believable.
Yes.
Like someone. But you're like.But they're right.
Yeah. I feel like if you havetwo friends that don't like each
other and you ask them foradvice and they both agree, you're
like, okay, I guess it's whatI gotta do because, yeah, I can take
this to the bank, you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, yeah, it feels legitimate,I think. But interesting, though,
they're, like, dynamic.

(31:41):
Mm.
In 2020, Marilyn Hand wrote anaccount of the Studi family history,
which is apparently prettyfucking bad.
It's also almost 200 pages, bythe way. It's fucking long.
That's Sad. That's sad. 200pages of terribleness like, that
sucks. She gave it to herdaughter, who we believe now has
a Facebook group to share thedetails about the history of the

(32:02):
family. We applied to join,but haven't been accepted yet.
The rules are not veryintense. We just. I was very intrigued
by it because Loosey also hasa Facebook group where she shares
updates. And Facebooksuggested this other one, and I was
like, oh, no.
Yeah. And sometimes for thesegroups, too, when you have any association
to a podcast or media,sometimes they won't accept you.

(32:24):
I know that happened with alot of the Lori Valo ones, too, that
some of the family membershad. Once they see that you're part
of a podcast or media, theydon't want you.
Yeah. My profile photo has amicrophone in it, so there's no hiding
the fact, which I'm also coolwith, because I don't want to sneak
into any group where we're notsupposed to be.
Yeah. Yeah.
And if we were to ever shareanything, we Always ask for permission

(32:45):
to, by the way, if it's not public.
Yeah.
So Marilyn's writings talkabout the family history of abuse,
robberies, murder and arson.This account includes allegations
against Studi, like that heburned her home down after he had
an argument with her husband.Yikes. Marilyn said that he would
burn down homes in insurancefraud schemes as well. She described

(33:09):
him as a murderer as well as ahitman for organized crime. Marilyn
describes an envelope he kepton top of the fridge that had information
and photos of people he washired to kill.
Just terrifying. Fuckingyikes. Yikes.
She said he carried a cementfilled pipe that he would beat people
with.
That is very specific.

(33:30):
Yes. Yeah. It's not like, oh,he carried this knife or this gun.
No, this is something veryuncommon, I would think. I would
hope, yes. Marilyn wasreleased from prison because she
is terminally ill and she wasin there serving an eight year sentence
for aggravated assault.
And I think that that is alsowhy she was doing this handwritten
account, because she wantedher daughter to have it.

(33:51):
Yeah.
And so she gave it to herbecause she was like, you should
know what happened with ourfamily because she's Studie's sister.
So when we say Lucy's aunt,like paternal aunt.
Yes, yes. So those whointerviewed Marilyn said that her
stories were credible and sheconsistently described the events
she recalled. So, like, shedidn't alter her stories. They were

(34:11):
very exact. Yeah.
They weren't getting morefantastic as she went on or darker
or anything.
Yeah.
And about 15 families ofpeople who have gone missing have
reached out to Lucy to see iftheir loved ones could have been
one of Studi's victims. Itdoesn't seem like there were any
connections between the womenthat Lucy remembered seeing and those
whose families had reached outto her. But who could know, Right?

(34:33):
Yeah. And we talked about thisin our original episode as well.
But per Lucy, Studie's victimswere women who their disappearance
may have been overlooked. Andthat's very similar to the victims
of Samuel Little. And we'vetalked about that before. It is.
It is, yeah.
That's who I think of immediately.
Yeah.
He described them as grapes.He would just come pick a grape because
he knew he could come back andpick another and no one would stop

(34:56):
him. And Vile, Just vile and disgusting.
Horrific. It's hard to imaginethat this is our world.
Mm. Yeah.
So one of the productioncompanies, Lee Enterprises, interviewed
Lucy's therapist, LisaParsian, with Lucy's approval, of
course. Parsean said, quote,considering her childhood, she's
incredibly stable. She hasSuffered a lot of trauma. For people

(35:19):
who don't really know her orunderstand her, her stories can sound
outlandish. But I don't thinkshe's a pathological liar. She's
very consistent and she has nomotive to make these kinds of stories
up because who would want tomake these stories up about themselves
or their family? Absolutelytrue. Like, why would you want that?
I don't want that. Media, youknow. Parsan noted that she didn't

(35:42):
think that Lucy was doing thisfor money or fame, which tracks because
from what we understand, hercontracts with the production companies
are no money contracts. Soshe's not getting anything out of
this. And it seems like shemostly just wants them to fund the
investigation, which, like,imagine screaming there's a problem
over.
And over and over again.
And everyone's like, probablynot like, not taking you seriously.

(36:05):
You're like, oof, there's somebureaucratic red tape. Best we can
do is go, oh, well. And Ithink that part of the reason for
that is because Studie hasdied and because of his victim pool.
I think that if these werewomen who they didn't deem having
a high risk lifestyle, therewould be so much more outrage, There
would be so much moreresources being poured into this.

(36:27):
Like, if it was a case whereit's been unsolved for dozens of
years, where everyone reallywants it to be solved versus someone
who they're like, oh, well,that person was a sex worker, or,
oh, that person was unhoused.Because for whatever reason, law
enforcement has decided thatthey aren't deserving of justice
in the same fucking way. Whichis gross.
Yeah, we see that a lot. SoParsian also said, quote, it's been

(36:51):
important to her since she wasa very young child that those bodies
in the. Well, if there are,which I do believe be put to rest,
that they finally have aproper burial. I think it's really
important for people torealize that she has no motive. A
former FBI agent, StuartFillmore, has spent a significant
amount of time interviewingLucy and he also believes her story.

(37:13):
He said, quote, I've hadnumerous conversations with Lucy.
When I first started talkingto her, just the stories, it just
seemed outrageous, really. Butthe more I kind of dug into it, I
just started, I found hercredible, to be quite honest, the
more I listened to her and gotmore of the details of it, just the
way that she could recallthings, she was consistent. So that's

(37:35):
multiple people that you wouldtrust, right? BI agents, therapists,
people that would berecognized for finding flaws in people's
stories.
Yeah. Yeah.
And it's also people that donot benefit from bolstering her story.
Yes.
So let's talk about a newwitness that's come forward. And
they spoke with one of theproduction companies, but under the

(37:56):
agreement that their full namewould not be shared.
Fair.
But we do have his first name,and his name is Robert. Robert said
his experience with Studie,which occurred in 1975, scarred him
for life. At the time, Robertwas working at a bar in Iowa and
was cleaning up. Studi came inand was chatting with him. He bought
him a few drinks, and then heoffered to pay Robert a hundred dollars
to help him move something. Ifeel like $100 today if somebody's

(38:19):
like, can you just help melift something? Is a surprisingly
good amount of money. So I waslike, what is that, inflation? That
will be $617 today.
That's a lot.
But anyway, Robert's like,okay. So he follows Studi and he
drives his own car. So hedoesn't drive with Studi, which is.
And so he follows him to GreenHollow, which is the area where they
lived. They park. Studie takesRobert to the back of his truck,

(38:42):
which was covered with a tarp.And then in the interview, Robert
said there was a tarp overpart of the bed. And when it came
off, I looked over and there'sthis body with tennis shoes sticking
out. I just met this guy. Hewas nice enough to me. But he lifted
the tarp and there was awrapped up body in the back of the
truck. You can imagine thetrauma I felt. It was crazy. And

(39:02):
the paranoia set in. If Ididn't do it, he could just kill
me right there. Right. That'sthe only reason I did it. And so
he helps him carry this body.And Robert said he remembered Studie
telling him that the body thatthey were carrying was a woman's
body.
It's horrible.
So Robert starts to help Studicarry this woman's body into the
woods. He mentions that shewas wrapped in something white. So

(39:24):
I don't know if it was anothertarp or plastic or sheet or anything
like that, but somethingwhite. So they're carrying this woman's
body into the woods. And he'slike, I just keep seeing her tennis
shoes. And that kind of, Ithink, burned into his brain, like
that particular image. And asthey're carrying him, he's like,
I can't do this. And he'sexpecting Studie to attack him and

(39:44):
kill him because he's holdinga murder victim in his hands. Right?
Yeah.
And Robert recalls that studywas like, it's all right, I'll pay
you. Just go wait for me bythe truck. And so Robert heads back
to where the cars are parked,but he doesn't wave at the truck
because he's pretty sure thatStudi's going to kill him if he stays.
So he leaves.
Yeah.
And he's just held this withhim his entire life. Like, it's just

(40:08):
stuck with him all this time.
That's terrifying.
Yes, yes. And I don't know whyhe didn't come forward sooner. Maybe
because he did help carry thebody and like, you would be considered
an accessory after the fact.
Maybe.
I mean, fear. Yeah.
I'm saying there's a lot ofthings with fear. But I think coming
forward now, it's just anotherperson bolstering Lucy's story with

(40:29):
no benefit to themselves.Right. Like, he's like, I don't want
to get famous from this. Idon't even want you to share my name.
I just want to prove this isthe truth.
Mm.
Yeah. That and like, he couldface issues from the story as well.
So let's talk a little bitabout Studie's former wives, one
of which was Charlotte Studi.And you're gonna see an interesting
pattern. That the wives namesare often the same as the daughter

(40:52):
that they have. So Charlotte'sdaughter is named Charlotte. And
Lucy, who we've been talkingabout, her mom was named Lucy. Isn't
that interesting? I don't meeta lot of women juniors when I was
a kid. My mom did Girl Scoutsfor most of my life. And when I would
answer the phone, I would saylike, hello. And they would say,
hi. And they're like, is thisSusan? And I'm like, no, that's my
mom. And routinely peoplewould say, is that also your name?

(41:15):
And I remember thinking thatwas very bizarre because I had never
met a woman junior. Not to sayyou can't or shouldn't. I just thought
it was interesting because Iwas like 10 and a 10 year old named
Susan. Seemed silly, but mymom was tenant at some point, I'm
sure.
Maybe.
But anyway, we're talkingabout one of Suti's wives, Charlotte
Studi. So when she died, herdeath was ruled a suicide. However,

(41:37):
she was recently exhumed and anew autopsy was performed. The pathologist
was Dr. Erin Lind at theDouglas County Medical Examiner's
Office. Dr. Lind said theinitial findings of suicide didn't
make sense to her because itappeared that Charlotte had not been
shot at point blank range. Asthe previous autopsy had said.
Interesting.
Mm.
Rather, it said that she hadbeen shot from further away.

(41:59):
Hmm.
It still blows my mind thatyou can exhume a body months or years
later and still figure thatout. Like, science is crazy.
Yeah. And, I mean, I wouldimagine, like, especially with, like,
a rifle shot. That's prettyfucking intense. Right. So depending
on how the bones look, evenafter, like, severe decomposition
of everything else.
Yeah.
The bones, I think, would showthe wounds in a way that would help

(42:22):
you gauge distance for sure.
It's still years and yearslater and being able to determine
it.
Fascinating.
Yeah.
So one of Charlotte'sdaughters, the one that wasn't named
Charlotte, her name's MarieMcGovern. Now, she said, I was 15
at the time, and I've neverbelieved it was a suicide. The minute
I got the call, I'm like, oh,my God. He finally succeeded. He
just didn't put her in a.
Well.

(42:42):
Yikes.
Yikes. In an interview, Mariesaid that Studie had beat her mother
often. And in one instance,she. She got between Studi and her
mom, and then Studie pulled arifle on her. She ran from the house.
Now, the production companiesthat we talked about earlier and
the testing that they paid forthis autopsy and the exhumation of
Charlotte Studi were thingsthat the production company paid

(43:04):
for.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
It's good that they did it. Itsucks that they had to.
Yes, yes. Agreed.
So Dr. Lin also notes that itwould not have been possible for
Charlotte to have shot herselfwith a rifle while sitting in the
driver's side of the vehiclewhere she was found. She was 5, 2,
and her arms were simply notlong enough for her to have been
able to distance the riflefrom herself in the way that it was

(43:28):
and fire it. And there's noevidence that they're aware of, which
we'll mention in a moment,that would reflect that she used
something to, like, push thetrigger. And also, like, a rifle
trigger, I would imagine wouldbe a lot harder to, like, push from
a distance with something thana smaller gun. I don't know. I don't
know about guns.
Depends on the rifle.
That's fair. But, like, thatstill seems like a strange way. And

(43:50):
why would you do that if youwere gonna. Why? Yeah.
Yeah.
If you. If your goal was toend your life, you would do it in
the way that is most likely todo that, which is to get it as close
to you as you can.
Right. And not create morequestions, too, you know?
Yeah. Yeah.
So ultimately, Dr. Lin'sautopsy report listed the cause of
death as undetermined, andthat was because she was unable to
give a definitive ruling ofhomicide because police documents

(44:13):
like crime scene photos andthe original autopsy file were missing.
That's bizarre.
Which is strange in and ofitself. Like, why. Why are those
not there?
Yeah.
So Charlotte Studi's otherdaughter, Charlotte said there are
lives. We did not talk aboutit. We were told, you know, just
let it go. And we're notletting it go. We need to find answers.
We need answers for us to getthe peace we need.

(44:35):
Which is so fair.
We've said it over and overagain. Like, how do you get closure
if it's just a big questionmark? And if you're like, I know
this person. I know what couldor could not have happened.
Yeah.
And we'll talk about anothersituation that makes it even more
likely that Charlotte waspossibly murdered, because we're
going to talk about anothersituation that is eerily similar
to this particular scene.
Yeah.
So Lucy's mother mentioned amoment ago, also named Lucy, died

(44:57):
of hanging in 1970. When werefer to Lucy's mother, we're going
to call her Lucy Studi, fullname every time. Just so that it's
clear that we're talking abouther and not the Lucy we've been talking
about all episode.
Yes.
So when Lucy Studi died, thefamily was living in Denver, Colorado.
Lucy was found hanged to deathin the home, but in particular, she
was found in a closet that wasright next to the kitchen. And there

(45:19):
was evidence that she had beenbeaten and there was blood. Like,
it was clear that there hadbeen violence at some time before
her death.
Yes.
On top of that, that closetthat Lucy Studie was found in was
incredibly small. So smallthat Lucy Studi's knees could touch
the floor.
Hmm.
So it begs the question, howcould she have hanged herself in

(45:41):
a place that was so small?Because generally, if your body has
the reflexive capabilities todo so, you will save your own life,
even if you do not want to.So, like, say you were like, I want
to not come up from water. Ifyou have the reflexive ability, your
body will push you back up.Right. Like you're gonna flail.
Yeah, yeah.
As long as there's no otheroutside intervening waves or whatever

(46:02):
it may be.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And so inthe same thing for this, right, her
legs would have kicked. Shewould have pushed her up in a way
that would have prevented herdeath. So I just find that incredibly
suspicious that anyone wouldlook at this scenario and say that
it was actually Suicide.
Mm.
Agreed.
Yeah. So the Denver Coroner'soffice has agreed to re review all
the material and look intoSudie's case. But this has not yet

(46:26):
happened. And that re reviewhas not yet happened because from
what we understand, two ofLucy's sisters have not yet consented
to the autopsy and re review.And that information is from that
Facebook group that Lucy runs.So that's her perspective there.
So that is interesting,looking at a case unfold from someone
who is in it, because you cansee, like, their actual perspective

(46:46):
on why things are not happening.
Yeah.
Also, she has a lot ofquestions as to why Susan has such
a different story. Becauseshe's like, this is what happened.
Why are you saying this isn'ttrue when it is? And which I think
is interesting. And if she waslying, I don't think she would draw
attention to the fact that hersister disagreed.
I think so too.
Yeah.
It wouldn't be in her best interest.
Exactly. So Marilyn Hill isthe daughter of another one of Studie's

(47:08):
former wives whose name wasBarbara Rich. Marilyn recalled that
Studi was terrifying and thather mother was physically and sexually
abused by Studi, sometimes infront of her and her siblings. Disgusting.
Yeah.
So another person who has comeout and give more information about
their experiences with Studiewas the mother of Studie's first
child, whose name has not beenreleased. And she talks about the

(47:32):
times that Studie tried tokill her. In one instance, she was
pregnant and she was fleeingfrom him on foot. He chased her in
a car, and so she was runningthrough lawns to get away from him,
and he was driving through thelawns to get her. She would circle
back behind the car and hewould, like, reverse and go forward
and try to hit her over andover again. In another instance,
she was in the car with herson. Presumably it was parked and

(47:53):
she was in the driver's seat,and he came up to the driver's side
with a gun and threatened her.And remember, that is how Charlotte's
duty was found. She was foundin a parked car in the driver's seat,
having been shot. And I findthat very, very alarming. So there's
been so much more justsurrounding information that's come

(48:16):
out in the past year or so. Yeah.
From various people, too.
Yeah.
And so that makes me believeit more. There's various people with,
like, different relationshipsto others who are like, yeah, I saw
that, or I experienced this,or he freaked me out. Like, there's
too many consistent storiesof, like, what kind of a guy he was

(48:37):
yeah.
From people who wouldn'tnecessarily be in cahoots, if you
will.
Yeah, yeah.
Nothing to benefit. Andhonestly, it just makes them get
more attention. That could notbe great.
Yeah.
And they're willing to still,like, go through it, so just interesting.
That's terrifying.
Yeah.
So that concludes our updatesfor the cases today. There are a

(48:59):
few others, like, Lori Valohad another complete trial here in
Arizona. Somehow it alwayslands when I'm out of town. I don't
know how they do it, but everysingle trial has been while I've
been out of town, and I don'tgo out of town that often.
Amanda's a jet setter.
I'm a jet setter. We'll belooking over that too. We've posted
the outcome of it. There'salso been another interview with

(49:21):
Lori Valo from our favoriteNate Eaton that literally came out
a couple days ago. So we'll bereviewing that and either chatting
about it or posting about iteventually. Yeah, I'm just happy
to finally, hopefully.
Have her out of our lives.
Like, she can just rot alonewith no attention.
Yeah, I'm fucking done talkingabout her. I think that she likes
all of this attention, andthat makes me feel a rage.

(49:43):
Yes.
Like a very intense rage. It'shard to conceptualize just how angry
you would feel if this was oneof your relatives. And she's soaking
in the limelight of thehorrendous fucking things she's done.
Mm. Mm. Yeah.
And always trying to play withthe media. It's so weird. She's so
fucking strange.
Fucking always gross.
But anyways, so we'll dealwith her eventually. Um, but as always,

(50:07):
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We'll also share case updateson social media when we stumble upon
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town newspapers and stuff.Yeah, interesting, because we may
not see that otherwise unlesswe're looking for it.
Yeah. And I think that we. Wemay try to be a little bit more purposeful

(50:29):
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But this way we can post itwithin the bat bonfire so, you know,
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(50:51):
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Yeah.
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disrespectful. But like,generally when they're like, this
is a corgi sized shark and I'mlike, for like. I appreciate that

(51:53):
you were like. I'm gonnadescribe it with the first word that
comes to my head becausethat's so clearly what it is. Unless
they're just trying to begoofy. But like, chef's kiss. Always,
always a good time.
I saw one earlier that said itwas half a giraffe.
Which half?
Yeah. What? You can't justfold a draft in half. Like, what
do you mean?
Yeah. Like the long side orthe body.
The neck.
Yeah.
So I just, I love every singleone. So than those make my day. And

(52:17):
then already we're more thanhalfway through the year, which is
insane to me. I feel like it'sJanuary still, but, you know, 10,000
degrees outside.
Yeah, we're. We're nearing the end.
No, don't say that. I can't.But October is coming faster than
ever. And so our ListenerStories episode will be then. And
we would love to get yourstory. So head to our website. There's

(52:37):
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email them to us or you canwrite them out and we'd be happy
to say them. You can remainanonymous. You can put your name
totally up to you, but wewould love to hear them and share
them in October. So send themour way.
Yeah.
Yeah. And with that, have agood weekend.
Thanks for creeping with us.

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