ONLINE SEXUAL PREDATORS- Keeping Our Children Safe w/The Innocent.org's Nate Lewis // Season 3 Ep. 3
https://theinnocent.org/
Nate Lewis joins Jules for a conversation about the realities of the dangers of unmonitored children Internet access and the correlation to children sex trafficking. The numbers are staggering. Nate shares that 1 in 5 children will be solicited online for sex before the age of 18.
Every adult needs to hear this episode.
From TheInnocent.Org website:
"The Innocent Team is largely composed of active-duty officers who are highly trained and experienced in combating child sex crimes. Equipped with state-of-the-art technology, specializing in online investigations, surveillance, and undercover operations. We offer complimentary, hands-on training and operational guidance to law enforcement investigators, helping them build robust cases, increase arrests, improve conviction rates, and enhance sentencing."
Nate Lewis, founder & CEO
Bio from TheInnocent.org
"Nate Lewis is the Founder of The Innocent, a nonprofit focused on combating child sex trafficking, exploitation, and sexual assault in the United States. With experience as an Executive at a global anti-trafficking organization, Nate has led international and domestic anti-trafficking efforts in collaboration with law enforcement. His 16 years abroad and travel to over 40 countries have deepened his understanding of human trafficking, informing his work at The Innocent. Nate’s leadership and global perspective drive initiatives that create safer communities and position him as a key advocate against child sex crimes."
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Hosts Jules Thorp & Jen Rivera
Theme song written by Stephen C. Nill
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https://theinnocent.org/
Nate Lewis joins Jules for a conversation about the realities of the dangers of unmonitored children Internet access and the correlation to children sex trafficking. The numbers are staggering. Nate shares that 1 in 5 children will be solicited online for sex before the age of 18.
Every adult needs to hear this episode.
From TheInnocent.Org website:
"The Innocent Team is largely composed of active-duty officers who are highly trained and experienced in combating child sex crimes. Equipped with state-of-the-art technology, specializing in online investigations, surveillance, and undercover operations. We offer complimentary, hands-on training and operational guidance to law enforcement investigators, helping them build robust cases, increase arrests, improve conviction rates, and enhance sentencing."
Nate Lewis, founder & CEO
Bio from TheInnocent.org
"Nate Lewis is the Founder of The Innocent, a nonprofit focused on combating child sex trafficking, exploitation, and sexual assault in the United States. With experience as an Executive at a global anti-trafficking organization, Nate has led international and domestic anti-trafficking efforts in collaboration with law enforcement. His 16 years abroad and travel to over 40 countries have deepened his understanding of human trafficking, informing his work at The Innocent. Nate’s leadership and global perspective drive initiatives that create safer communities and position him as a key advocate against child sex crimes."
Fire Eyes Media, LLC Network
Hosts Jules Thorp & Jen Rivera
Theme song written by Stephen C. Nill
Have a case suggestion? Email us! outreach@fireeyesmedia.com
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hi everybody, and welcome to season three of True Crevin Headlines,
and I am so excited to introduce you to somebody
that actually stumbled across on Instagram he runs The Innocent
and Nate welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Thank you, good to see you, Good to see you too.
This is Nate Lewis and you guys.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
He has such important work that he is doing with
his organization, and I cannot wait for you guys to
hear what he's going to share with us, especially if
you have children, or if you have children in your lives,
or if you're a teacher.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
This is so important.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
It's important to everybody, every citizen, and I really want
to encourage everybody to listen to the whole episode and
really take to heart what he has to share with
us and then put it into action. Nate, can you
just go ahead and introduce us quickly, your background and
what it is that you guys do.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Well, I am the founder and CEO of The Innocent,
where an organization dedicated to protect and preserve the innocence
of children. We focus on child sex, trafficking, exploitation, and
sexual assault.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
And we're in many different ways, but one of our
major ways of doing.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
This prevention is we are made mostly of active duty
law enforcement officers with training and skills and experience and
this crime. And so we go around to police departments
or multiple in a certain region and we train them
on how to do these investigations from beginning to end.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Basically set up an undercover operation online and do all.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
These investigations from literally start to finish. And sometimes we
don't always promise it, but during the actual training, we're
doing live operations, so we'll make arrests. And so that's
a little bit about what we do. We're getting into
education certain things. We're building out programs for school resource
officers as well, so they can you know, they're on
(01:56):
the front lines with children, so we get in there
soon enough, hopefully we'll have some education content just for
parents and the general public that we're partnering with another
organization on.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
And that's really what it is. It's really coming down
to protecting the innocence. You know. I worked I worked.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
For a nonprofit probably the largest in the world, fighting
human trafficking, child sex trafficking globally internationally, and it really
was the people that I kept hearing from was like, what.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Are we doing here? And if I donate money, can
it stay in my state?
Speaker 4 (02:29):
And I started asking the police, like why is it
there stuff going on here like a couple of my buddies,
And it all came down to like resources, red tape,
certain things, and I was like, well, why don't we
just cut all that and let the people fund the
local law enforcement and they can see their money go
to work in their own communities, protect their own children.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
And it was it was.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Literally like that thought, and so I ran with it,
and it's it's it's gained significant traction, you know. So
now we're one hundred percent focused here in the United States.
Every dollar stays in our border, and we're protect and
our children. There's amazing opportunities for the community to come
together through events, education, awareness, but also just combining resources
(03:08):
for their local law enforcement. And we can get into
a little bit of that here in a little bit.
But it's not just one department. I mean, we can
do that, but it's more effective when you get all
the departments in the area together and you can use one,
two or three individuals from each one and build somewhat
of a task force, and then they can continue to
go do this all year for years to come.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
You are boots on the ground. You are involved in
every aspect of this. Your organization is comprised of what
type of career individuals. I know you have detectives. What
else do you have working with your organization?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah, well, most of them right now are investigators. We
have a task force officer with a federal agency as well,
but they're all investigators. On my board as a school
resource officer, he's helping build that program as well. But
they're all really in investigations. Most investigative teams all do
investigations and they kind of know what it is to
(04:07):
write a search warrant and that type of thing. But
when it comes to child sex crimes, where do you
go and find this? Like you know, finding drugs and narcotics,
you know, you got to go out on the streets.
So there's certain areas you know, how to get into
that ringing. But right now, with sex crimes and exploitation
and videos online and all these things, these predators are
hiding their identities online. They think they're safe and they're
(04:32):
doing a lot of these things and they're buying and
selling online. So these tactics are somewhat new, you know,
to these smaller departments. We've gotten feedback like, man, this
is so cutting edge, like we're stuck in the nineties
doing our investigations because you have to be online.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
You know, to clarify, Sorry to stop you for one second,
but to clarify for everyone listening, they're buying and selling
children on there.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yes, okay, correct, Yes, clarify.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
And most of the actually the transactional things does sometimes
happen on the internet, but really the the everything else,
all the conversations, all the evidence, all of the deals
so to speak, in terms of the you know, contract
or or are in writing online. You know, this is
not you know, like the old days, you know, used
(05:23):
to go under cover with cameras and microphones hidden and
wired up and they're patting you down and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
It's it's not so much that anymore.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
You know, there's site specifically for selling humans for sex, right,
whether it's yourself or someone else.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Uh so this is all happening online? Definitely?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yes, is this black market items or is it out
there just on apps? In the in hiding and playing
view that we're just not the general public is just
not aware of the.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
General public's just not aware of this is on regular
dot com websites. They're not even in the deep way, brother,
dark web. This is right in the clear web. I
call it the lightweb. Also on social media, I know,
a marketplace, all kinds of places that you wouldn't believe
that these type of things are actually happening, happening everywhere, honestly,
(06:18):
And here's what I think is really important to understand.
We're in the business of protecting and preserving the innocence
of children in the United States.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So what does that look like. That's all forms.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
So when you talk about human trafficking, if you look
underneath your state statutes, that is a lot of things
that people can be arrested for underneath that. That could
include voyeurism, you know, people putting up cameras and video
and people and selling them or whatever. But also the
innocence of a child can be robbed through social media
by a predator, you know, freending somebody them getting into
(06:48):
their inbox. In the first message could potentially be a
photo of their privates asking them to rate it, you know,
and at eleven years old, that might be the first
time you've seen a grown man sending.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
The type of photos.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
That's a layer of innocence that's being ripped apart, also
the grooming that's happening, and then the manipulation that's occurring,
manipulating them to eventually start sending photos of themselves in exchange.
And for some of them it's actually to men, and
sometimes they believe it's young boys, but it's men, and
some boys think they're sending them to girls when it's not.
And it's just it's kind of a mess out there.
(07:22):
So there's a lot of ways to as you mentioned, parents,
how do your children protect themselves? And how do you
protect your children and how do they navigate this new
digital world and remain innocent and keep that you know,
that purity, that sense of wonder, you know, that innate
goodness inside of them?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
How do they keep that for as long as possible.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I think a lot of what you talk about is
obviously it's your daily it's it's what you do daily,
it's what you're passionate about. But hearing it too, some
of it is just taken aback a little shocking because
obviously it's out there, but to hear explicitly said, a
grown man will send you know, an image of his
genitals and say rate this to a child. A lot
(08:03):
of people will think, well, not my kid. Well, and
then I like, you know, here's a flow chart. Does
your kid have a cell phone? There's your kid have
this app? It could be your kid. And I think
that's something super important that people don't realize is it
can't happen to you. It may have already happened to
your child, or you can step in now and prevent
it with different strategies that I know you'll get into
(08:26):
a little bit later. What I am curious about is
do you have any specific cases that you guys have
done with innocent that you're able to talk us through
as much as you can obviously legally, just to show
everybody what it is exactly that you do from the
front end to the back.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I can touch on all of those, and sometimes these
cases take a long time to really get through the
whole case, but there are a few that have been closed.
Part of what we're really wanting to do. Let I
want to make this clear is we're not just trying
to arrest people. That's great, but we were trying to
build really strong cases. You know, don't just get the
(09:05):
elements of crime, go above and beyond that. So that
you build a strong case of prosecutors can really slam
down these cases and get the strongest penalty. Hopefully the
judge will provide the strongest penalty, the maximum sentencing. One
of the early cases that we were a part of was,
and this is what's important, parents and children, make sure
(09:25):
your location services is off, because this is how fast
it happens. We, you know, go online undercover and we
just turn on our app location services on and it
alerts people on a certain platform. Hey, so and so
is online close by, and we were now messaged by
(09:46):
an individual who were eleven by the way, just so
you know, And within seven minutes that conversation, that's how
fastest conversation took. We had all the elements of crime
that we needed to arrest this individual. And he actually
showed up at the school the next day thinking she
was going to skip school, that he was going to
(10:07):
take her into his car and rape heer. Essentially that's
what it is. It's going to pay her to do it, though.
But he was arrested, and he had an eleven year
old stepchild living with him and a nine year old
girls and so think about the girls that are living
in his home that he showed up to have sex
with that a school in his car, you.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Know, seven minutes. And this is why I think it's
important to talk about this case.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
If your location tells people where you are right even
on a lot of these I'll just call it out
right now.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Snapchat.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
You can be talking on Snapchat to people or whatever,
just be on it, and people can not only see
where you're at, like your actual house, like your location,
but when you get up and move to the kitchen,
that actually follows you, so they know whe're at in
the house you are. So there's a lot of things
that you can do to protect but here's the most
(11:01):
important thing. Kids, Please shut your social media sites down.
Don't let it just be public. I understand that that's
like a sense of popularity and you know your your identity,
but if you don't know the thousand people that are
following you, you don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
What's happening to your photos either.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
And if you think that the disappearing messages and all
that stuff, there's ways to get around it.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
You gotta be careful parents too.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Here's the thing parents, I'll kind of jump into this
and we could talk about a couple more cases.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Recent ones. But parents, when you're posting photos of your
children's you know, summer birthday party by the pool, there's trolls.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
So you might be following somebody with a million followers,
there's trolls that go to that person's following. They have
access to a million people's accounts potentially, and they.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Start stroll just scrolling through those and looking. Oh, woman
bank go right into their okay children, Awesome, she's so
proud of her children. Oh that's so sweet. Look at
all the photos that I can hold my finger on
and download to my phone and.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Then who knows what happens to those? Those can be
potentially turned into AI porn. You know, child sexual abuse
and material is really what it's called. And so now
your child's images are being created to create child sexual
abuse material to be traded and sold in all types
of forums. Well, think about this statistic, you know, and
(12:32):
all these stats are on our social media too, but
one in five children one in five, So if you
have five children, one of your children will be solicited
for sex online before they turn eighteen.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
That's right now. Who knows in ten years what it's
going to be like.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
So we have to start locking things down because here's
the reality.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I'll talk about another case real quick.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
These things can take time, and I think that a
lot of parents. Only two percent of trafficking or sexual
abuse is happening for people literally snagging.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
And grabbing, you know, cads from the park. Yeah, what
happens is this grooming. Right, they find vulnerable children online
whatever they're posting about.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Their brands are not fully developed. Usually the predators are
somewhat developed but much older, and they manipulate these children
by using tactics of attention, buying them things.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
But this grooming can take place over months.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
We just I think it was January thirty first arrested
a guy where the confrontation started in November. So it
can take a while, right having you have to have
a relationship with the human being.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
This gentleman had been arrested multiple times for raping children.
He had a worn out, he wasn't hiding, had a
worn out for his rest for raping a nine year old.
And he shows up talking to this twelve year old.
And he shows up have sex with a twelve year
old at a park and gets arrested. That was during
one of our trainings. We were training six departments here locally,
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and that was just happened to be what we were.
That was actually a real life scenario. Our training is
real life. It's not like virtual. It's like putting cops
in real training and assigning roles and responsibilities.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
And so here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Parents, it's not can't happen to your children, absolutely because
I don't think people understand how it happens mentally and
emotionally and who they're targeting.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Right. And it's a slow sometimes it's a very slow thing.
Even in our cases. It's not like hey, how much when?
Not all the time. It's rarely often like that. You know,
one they're kind of cautious, like what's going on.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
They'd want to trust you and build that relationship and
test you a little bit, but.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
This becomes like a relationship. Now.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
There are those that they have a copy and paste like, hey, beautiful,
you know, I run a modeling agency where you could
potentially make three hundred and fifty dollars an hour modeling.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Do you have any experience? Here's my real email address
and my real phone number.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
And then you start messing with them and they're like,
you know, ask them, can they pose a lingerie. I
mean eleven, dude, I mean eleven, I shouldn't even be
wearing lingerie, let alone doing a photo.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Shoot with you.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
And then they start asking them like can you be
trashy and slutty and all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
That's the conversations starting with your eleven year old.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Now, depending on the eleven year old money, you know, society,
what's being pumped into their brain about what's cool, and
you know, it can influence that decision making.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Of like oh, a model three hund fifty dollars an hour.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
You know what that means That I might just get
their interest to start a conversation and then from there,
who knows where it goes. So it can't happen to anyone,
trust me. And you mentioned how hard it is to
hear these things and talk about it, and this is
like elementary level just so you know. Yeah, but but
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it's much hard to experience and go through it, and
as a child it's so much harder.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
The amount of time that goes into the.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Healing journey that comes after this, right, and so us
talking about it, especially as adults, could be somewhat difficult.
But I can promise you this, the more you talk
about it. The more you learn about it, the more
you educate yourself about it, it becomes more common like, hey,
we should be talking about this. It's our children that's
(16:30):
kind of a high priority, I would think, and their safety,
their innocence, and maybe we should start talking about it, honestly,
So I'm glad that you are.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Well, thank you. It's interesting because I think as the
true crime community, a lot of us that do podcasting
have been victims of some sort of crimes ourselves, and
we get very passionate about it, and a lot of
the listeners as well.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
But this is an area where we don't.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Typically talk a lot about because the would you say
that two percent are actual in person abductions or that
those things, and that means those are the cases we
talk about. So it sounds like it's ninety percent in
this small community, but when in reality, if it's this
(17:22):
big of a percentage is online, Absolutely everybody needs to
be talking about this. And I think too, there's a
layer of social media, not just social media, but the Internet.
You know how quickly everything's evolving, and people get lost
in the dust in these apps and they just don't
understand and it's confusing, and they don't they're overwhelmed and
(17:42):
don't know how to get on it. And maybe they
put their trust in their child, but they can't trust
the people out there and they're still, just like you said,
innocent kids. And so we have to be that safeguard
right there. But what I find interesting too is that
there's not more of you out there, training more departments.
(18:05):
I would with how prevalent this is in the United States,
can we copy and paste you and can get you
I mean, I know you're national and you'll travel and
we can get into how that is, how you we
can help you with doing that in our own communities.
But are there lots of organizations like you out there
(18:27):
trying to help law enforcement keep up.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
I wouldn't say there's lots, absolutely, not I know about
I know there might be a couple, I know one particularly,
But the reality is is why is this not happening?
It's it really comes down to restricted funding and red tape,
and that's what we try to cut out. You know,
the the technology, some of the technology that we provide.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
If a detective is like, hey, I heard.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
About this really amazing evidence, you know, forensics technology, it's
x amount of dollars for a year, but we get
five licenses and their boss is like, great, we'll submit it,
we'll review budgets in the summer, and then hopefully next
year we can purchase it. And they're like, oh, okay,
well that sounds like a waste of time, you know.
When they reach out to us and we've we can
(19:20):
turn it on within twenty four to forty eight hours
for them, that's cutting red tape, right. That's one advantage
to what we do. But not only that. Did you
hear the part about well, let's review it and put
it into our budget.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
The budgets for law enforcement are so restricted.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Right now and they're just reacting to whatever they can,
especially with personnel and all that. But here's where it
comes into is it can be very costly to send
your five detectives on airplanes, put them up in a
hotel for a week, to sit in a conference room
and watch power points. But it happens, don't get me wrong.
That happens, and we go to them. It's fine, and
(19:58):
you learn some things and and you network and learn
some tricks of the trades and all that stuff, and
that's great. But what departments love even better is that
their cops go home at night, their detectives go home
at night because we fly to them, We put ourselves up,
we provide them real training and they get to do
this in their community, with their laws, with their support
(20:21):
that now they get a practice run through that when
we leave, they can continue to operate. And the costs
and zero dollars like zero, So.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Is there a need? Absolutely? Is there a want?
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Unbelievable, had eighteen departments three to chout to us in
the week between Christmas and New Year's alone.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
They want this. Where is the funding come from?
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Well that and we'll get into is it's the people
because we get restricted by the funds that we can provide. Well, well,
one hundred percent funded by the people, and that's what's great.
And we'll talk about the community and how communities can
come together through our community link and really it's pretty inexpensive.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
For a community to pay for this technolo and this
training in.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Their area to protect their community and then they can
actually watch the results, like all the local press that
are picking up some of these, you know, the training
and the arrests that were being made.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Is and I get it from the people, like it's
so cool to see this. Oh my gosh, it's so cool.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
You know, because they're watching it in their local news,
like their local news feeds that are talking about it.
So that is is there some some which is way
better than three to five years ago. And I think
it's going to continue to grow. There's been a huge
turn in law enforcement. Part to answer your question, part
(21:39):
of in this is not to be negative because all
my team are active duty law enforcement. We support law enforcement.
I love law enforcement. I'm here to help them and
serve them. But a lot of them just aren't educated
in this because it is kind of a new area.
They don't have any experience doing it. Everybody's been fighting
the war on drugs for so long they don't even
(21:59):
know what the war for innocence is, and so it's
not anything other than hey, let's inform you, Like here's
a real example. We do these kind of tests where
we go undercover in these sites in these areas to
kind of just see like what is the market here, right,
And so we do that and then we get flooded
(22:20):
with people messaging us.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
And whatever it may be.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
And so this sergeant goes to his chief was like, Hey, I.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Really want to start doing some of this stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
You know, this is going to be provided by this
nonprofit this that He's like, well, is.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
It really a problem here?
Speaker 4 (22:34):
And he's like, I'm so glad you asked, and he
turns this computer around. He's like, this is the ad
of the photo that we posted and the person with
the description, and here's all the people that have messaged
me in the last week, over hundreds, like four in
the first ten minutes, right, and then here's some of
the conversations that I've had.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Let's look through it.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
And he literally goes, Oh, my gosh, we probably need
a full time person that just focus on this because
this is probably worse than drugs. That's the type of
leader you need, right. He ends up posting a training
and bringing all the departments together and like understands now, right,
because if you're not in this world, you don't really
(23:17):
know and it changes all the time. Like you said,
criminals will tell you, hey, this got you shut down,
Let's go over here and talk on here, or moves
you to this play have you been there? You can
ask you things and oh, they'll point you in the
right direction. But if you're not living in this world,
all the time. You don't know where to look or
how to go about it, or where's the new trends
or what's the new areas or what's the new app,
(23:38):
what's the new website. And so that's part of the
problem is they just don't know, right, They just don't know,
and they don't know the prevalence. You know, they're reacting
to the nine one one calls, right, they're just reacting.
So they don't know what's happening out there. One resource
for you, parents, and I think this is for everyone actually,
if you want to really understand the severity of what's
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going on, there's a website called family Watchdog dot us
the National Sex Offenders Registry. Go on there, put your
address in, Look at the map. It'll blow your mind.
It's gonna be color coded. It'll explain it. You can
go down, you can look at the charges, you can
see their booking photo, all the things.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Okay, it'll probably blow your mind and you'll be.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Like, oh my gosh, there's someone in my neighborhood or
multiple but it's going to flood it. Here's an interesting statistic.
So we were invited to be part of the undercover
operation with the eighteen departments last summer, and they've been
doing this type of online undercover investigations for five years,
and to this date, they've arrested about three hundred and
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fifty individuals from these undercover steam operations.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Now here's the thing. Yeah, we arrested thirteen in a
small town of less than fifty thousand on one weekend.
But here's what's fascinating to me. When you look at
the three hundred and fifty people that were arrested, only
three eighty percent of those we're registered sex offenders.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
So that tells me that all those people you're looking
at on that website represents about three percent of those
that were arrested over five years out of a three
hundred figure and that's a small pool.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I think the number is probably higher. But there's predators
wanting to pay for sex with children that haven't been caught,
that haven't been found guilty, they haven't registered as a
sex findor yet they're out there living amongst our neighborhoods.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
So hopefully that can actually show you some real evidence
of is this really a problem, because a lot of people,
law enforcement, public, whoever, might believe that it's not.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Is it really happening. Is it really that bad?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Hopefully that can help you see the truth of the
matter is that it is. There's already lots of people
who've been arrested in your neighborhood, but there's a whole
lot more that are out there that haven't been caught yet.
And that's why we have to be proactive. We have
to go after them and not wait until it's too late,
when the crime has already been committed. Another statistic, one
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hundred and seventeen victims. According to the National Sex Offenders Registry,
the typical pedophile will abuse one hundred and seventeen victims
in their lifetime. That's why we need to get the
statistics that we can't ever share is how many lives
did we protect. We don't know the guy that we
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arrested two weeks ago, who we raised several children already
at forty years old, I don't know how many more
children he would have raped for the next forty years.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
But who knows.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Now that he's on a million dollar bail and hopefully
doesn't get out for a really long time, I don't
know how many. Maybe let's just pretend he gets ten
years in prison. We just created ten years of innocence
for children number one. But how many children did we
prevent from having their innocence stolen from them? And I
think that's what's important about the work that we do,
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is we have to get ahead of this. My friends
run after care facilities, and you know they're doing their
day to just help heal children.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
But my goal is to put them out of business
so that we don't need aftercare. You know, we don't
need to have healing because we are eliminating and causing
enough threat and enough risk that people aren't out there
abusing children.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
That's my hope as a father and the CEO of
the Innocent. What kind of boundaries do you recommend and
do you put in place?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Well, this could be a long list, and it also
depends on the age of a child, right and so
first and foremost, we have to start with a relationship
with our children.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Put down your phone, have a more of a relationship
with your child than you do with your phone, and
make it real and create a safe place for them
to come and.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Talk to you.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
If you don't have that first and foremost, all the
rest of these things that I'm gonna share with you
won't really matter. You can try to protect them as
much as you want, but if you can't have a
real conversation and you can't be the support without fear
when they actually come to you with something that's very
difficult for them to talk to you about, it's going
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to be harder, much, much harder for you. So depending
on where you're at now. Look, if it's younger children,
I have younger children. We have very very very clear
conversations about who should be touching you in certain areas.
No one, absolutely no one should, and what do you
do if that occurs?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Who do you talk to? And who do you tell?
And I need to know about it, right.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
So it's easier for me to have these conversations because
my kids have been to advance and heard me talk
about children being sex trafficked, right, so they understand. They
watch my videos, they said, and they're young five and three,
you know. So, But I don't think that it's ever
too early because their brains are forming, they're learning so much,
and they're understanding, they're building their world and their foundation,
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and I think that that's an important piece, is like
what's going to make you uncomfortable?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
So here's the other thing with parents, cut and dry.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
One thing that I would I would I would say,
I would recommend, and I know lots of people that
do this. If your children's friends are coming over, when
they enter the home, they put their phones all somewhere.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Let's go back to.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
The old days where we just hung out, played played games,
and did things without distractions of the phones.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Certainly those phones don't go into.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
The bedroom behind closed doors, because not only do you
have access to the world as a child with the
whole world has access to your children, and you have
no clue about that. I would say that at night,
for sure, if there's a sleepover or whatever it is,
have them in an open space, not out behind closed doors,
because unfortunately, what we see, what we know is that
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sometimes this abuse comes from a slumber party, a birthday party,
a sleepover, a sibling.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Your child's going over to their friends to have a sleepover,
in the older sibling starts fondling a child, right, and
so having children behind closed doors is not the best practice.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Right because you don't know what's going on inside of there.
There's a lot of apps as a parent you can
you can search these. Bark is one of the apps
that you can put on the monitor and you can
get notifications as a parent of what.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Parameters you can put on your child's phone. But also
it we'll give you alerts of some of the things
that they're doing. But here again, and I'm going to
go on about a few more, but I'm going to
go back to this.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
I'm gonna use this analogy of parents. When your children
turn sixteen to get their driver's license. I know that's
a scary moment for you, like they're going out into
the world driving potential risks, lots of dangers, you know,
But they've also spent maybe a year practicing, taking tests,
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taking a physical, actual test, taking an electronic test, knowing
the laws, practice practice, practice, to where they actually.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Can go out there.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
And then you buy them a car that's hopefully safe,
maybe has air bags, seatbelts, that type of thing. But
the reality is how are they going to be Really
it's up to them to be safe.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
They have to have awareness.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
They have to actually stop at the orange yellow light
instead of running through it. They have to yield at
a left turn, they have to actually follow these guidelines.
That's part of the conversations that we don't have as
parents with children navigating the Internet and social media for
many reasons. One, we didn't grow up with it. We
didn't go through this school, this training, and our kids
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know more than we do about apps and technology unfortunately.
So it's a tough, difficult situation. That's why it comes
down to conversations. And that's why that relationship is the
first and foremost important thing to have as a parent
with a child, because when you're starting to talk to
them about these things that some children might think is
that's not real, that's conspiracy or whatever it is. But
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when they actually start seeing it, they can come to
you and be like, mom, dad, I just had this
guy who just messaged me this right, And then they
can have that conversation and then potentially what happens. And
I would suggest not doing this to us too far
of an extent parents, because I know parents that take
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over their kids phone and have these conversations pretending to
be the child and then pass them off the law enforcement.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
And that can work.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
But potentially, depending on how much evidence is really there,
you want to get it in the hands of law enforcement.
Hopefully they're trained to know how to take those conversations
and bring them in and arrest them. But there are
the probably parents, children. The most important thing, the simplest thing,
is always have your location services off, but lock your
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accounts down.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
That is the one where you said, let's be cutting dry.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
There's no reason to me other than trying to be
popular to have an account that's open that people don't
have to actually ask you to let them in, where
people can just follow you strangers. Because when I was
a kid, it was like, hey, don't talk to the stranger,
don't take candy from a stranger.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Don't like that. But now you're actually letting strangers into
your whole world. They can watch your entire routine. They
can not only know where you live, they can know
where you like to eat, when you like to eat,
you what school you go to, Who are some of
your friends, where do they live. They can actually know
who their parents are, start tracking their parents.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Know when the kids home alone. There's so many things.
You're letting strangers right into.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Your entire world. Please shut your accounts down.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
I understand that having a thousand followers is really cool,
but it's not when you don't know what's about to
come into your direct messages and what that damage could
do to you long term and I know it's hard
to explain that, but a lot of kids, if they're
listening right now, have experienced this. Young adults have experienced this.
They've seen it. They've probably got rid of it, or
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they close their account down because they've seen it over
and over and over. It's happening all the time.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
A sad thing is.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Here's one sad thing parents. This is why you got
to convince them to lock this down. We've seen this,
We have video evidence of this. Because we were thinking,
do we file a class action lawsuit against these social
media platforms, but they're worth twenty one billion dollars, so
it's really difficult to win a lawsuit.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Probably. But why in the world this is real? We
are at a fake account as an eleven year old
or a twelve year old or fourteen year old, Why
in the world are these accounts? They are parents introducing
grown men to your daughter. They're suggesting them. Why because
they follow other girls That accounts look just like your daughters.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Your daughter accepts them to upheard followers, and guess what
they do next?
Speaker 3 (34:46):
They suggest ten more just like him. She accepts those
and guess what happens within minutes, one hundreds more just
like him. Why are these social media apps introducing grown
men to children? That should be illegal. There's no reason
to introduce a grown name to a child period.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Where's the liability and it's predator algorithm?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Where's the lidius?
Speaker 4 (35:14):
You're telling me I can't make a post about a
statistic literally make us post about from the Department of
Justice is the source on the post that ninety percent
of sex victims are abused by someone they.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Know or trust. And I get shut down and that
gets I can't put it well, I can't even pay
them to put it out there, right, But you're telling
me they can't monitor the conversations that are going on,
and then inside those conversations, this wouldn't get flagged.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Hey you're cute. Do you like older men? Not really sure?
You know whatever? The conversation is, Well, how old are you?
I'm twelve? How old are you? I'm fifty one. They're
telling me that they can't monitor that, but my post
about a fact from the Department of Justice gets monitored.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Come on, like they can't. They're not. They're actually enabling
children's innocence to be taken.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
They're which they're doing the work mostly bringing them together
bringing them the.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Crime, because if they never met them, they would never
have their innocence robbed.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
So as parents, we can if they have if they
have social media, if that's something that.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
You will not waiver on. Okay, so let's talk what
you can do.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Make sure it's private, it is a private account, and
you vet everybody that your child is not only following,
but is following them as well. How do you feel
about parents having full access to kids' devices when they're teenagers,
going on and checking their phones and their messages.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Uh, they're not an adult as a child, your parents are.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Are their job and the role of duty is guidance
and protection and we have to because the brains aren't
fully developed. That's why we have to make decisions for them.
We actually know what's best for them. So unless they're
paying for their own phone, it's very difficult for a
child to have legally have any say in what they're
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doing on the You know, what can happen to the
phone even if there is one of these crimes, This
is what happens.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
If the adult owns that.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Phone, like they actually bought it, They own it, it's
their possession. In that investigation, the parent can ask for
anything at any time, But if the child owns the phone,
a parent has no control to even an investigation.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
To ask the police, can I see what's on that phone?
Because it's not their possession.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
So if I am a parent and I own the
phone and I pay the bill, I set the parameters.
And I know we want our friends to our kids
to be friends with us, But what's more important being
the friend or protect?
Speaker 3 (38:00):
And so I believe that you put your you.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Put the parameters of how risk, how much risk do
you want to take with your children?
Speaker 3 (38:07):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
They can have it, but you have to understand there's
plenty of apps. I mentioned the Bark app you can
monitor the behavior.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
I'm not I think when your kids build a certain
trust that you can allow them to go more freely.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
But let them know at any time you can go
in there. Here's the tricky thing. I need parents to
understand this. This is where I would not falter. You
cannot falter this one.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Right now, every single social media app is coming up
with disappearing messages, every messaging app, WhatsApp, signal, all these things.
For those that don't know what this means you can
set a time on the message when the person reads it.
After seven seconds, thirty seconds, one minute, whatever. That message
disappears doesn't really disappear, not really, but for the parent,
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for the child, for the person they're communicating, those conversations
are gone.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
They disappear.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
How do you monitor what your child's talking about, who
they're talking to if you can't see it?
Speaker 3 (39:13):
That is one you can't falter. That is one rule. Listen,
this is what I would say to my kid.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
You can have these apps, but as soon as you
turn that disappearing messaging on, you lose it. I'm paying
for the phone, it's my phone. I'm letting you borrow it.
I'm doing this to protect my children.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Period.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Now, this is a difficult conversation, and I wanna I'm
gonna I want to take a moment to explain why
the school resource officer program that we're building out is
so important because.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
These conversations I'm talking about right now incredibly difficult for
a parent and a child, incredibly difficult, like one of
the most difficult conversations to have, right maybe worse than
the birds and the bees, to be honest with, because
that is every kid as it's their identity, it's their connections.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Their addiction to the world, and it's difficult. School resource
officers can be a third party that can actually speak
to them. They have a relationship with them about how
does this occur, what to look out for, and when
it does, report it to me because I'm your first
line of defense. I'm on the front lines and I
can help you report some of these people because it's.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Going to happen.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
It's not a matter of when it will or if
it is going to happen. So when that message comes
in and when these guys, if their account's open, starts happening,
come to me, the school resource officer, and let me
look at it and see is this harmful, is this playful?
What's going on? We can straight up tell our children like, hey,
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I'm not on here for that. That's what you'd hope
they would say, But it's very difficult because they're getting
the attention that they want right from this individual. So parents,
lock the phones down, get some apps, but have a
real conversation with your with your parent, with your children,
and have these conversations that are difficult because it's really
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important that they don't go through it, because that's way
more difficult than talking about it.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
You know what disgusts me to my core too, is
when you can when you go on an app, let's
say like Instagram. If I look at one video and
then the algorithm starts to work, maybe it's a music video,
a song I liked and dancing, and the algorithm continues
to work.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Maybe I've liked that video.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
I'll get solicitations in my unread messages or it filters
out and it's it feels like sex trafficking, fishing. The
accounts are shady, nobody follow you know, and I block
people all the time. But it's come to the point
where I even have to just not even click on
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certain things because I know it'll lead to something.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
It's like a three clicks rule.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
And then your kid can be exposed to pornography. And
I don't know if people understand how easy it is
for them to do one slight curve in the road
and end up in the pornography on social media. There's
no safeguards for your kids out there except you, really,
is what it comes down to. And if you don't
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believe us, take your kid's phone, look at the home screen,
look at the algorithms, see what's going on, because I
guarantee their stuff that you would not wish your child
to ever see on there, and that that part breaks
my heart for the innocence of our youth too, because
I feel it it's such a gateway and oh, well,
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it's okay. This person I like post this, and this
person has has this website of their naked images that
they sell and I really love this person and they're popular.
I can sell sell, I can send my photos to somebody.
It's not that big of a deal. And then they
become extra.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Susceptible to it. It just it breaks my heart.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Well, and you're mentioning something that is so important for
society to put the foot down with and I think
that our government needs to step in. And you're talking
about algorithms, and the algorithms are feeding every human no
matter what it is.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
If you like dance and music, it's feeding you. If
you like children, it's feeding you, whatever it is. And
so for children, one go look onto what go click
on search and see what's suggestive for you to search.
Go look on videos to see what videos are popping up,
because that's going to tell you what your kid's been doing.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
When you have children doing that, you also have predators
out there looking at stuff and these algorithms, like you're saying,
suggest maybe a younger one. Oh, here's a younger account,
and then they start consuming addiction of a younger account.
But what happens from there another younger account.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
We see children with accounts on Instagram that are super
young that have massive followings. I think an eight year
old with three hundred thousand following, and it says monitored
by parents. First of all, I would question the parents
on that one.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
Are you monetizing your child and making money off of
an eight year old? And who's following three hundred thousand?
Go look at those followers and it's exactly what you're
talking about. They follow us twenty five hundred people and
they have zero followers.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
And sometimes the comments are are you see older men
that say beautiful?
Speaker 2 (44:32):
And you're like, how is this on here?
Speaker 1 (44:35):
And how has this account not been shut down by
the parents already? And we're not out here to shame
anybody who's listening. We're here to educate and we're not
here to hide under a rock and pretend and be
naive that this isn't occurring.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
We're here to educate and hopefully the ripple effect.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
You can be your first line of defense for your
children navigating the online world, and we can.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Do better when we know better.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
And that's why, Nate, this is so important that you
were here and being so open and so honest with
us and just telling us exactly, also cut and dry.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
This is your responsibility.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
You are the responsible party, and you are responsible for
protecting your child. You know, they go out, they wear
a helmet and the bike, they have a phone. What
are they doing to protect themselves with that? You have
to teach them and that's such a missing piece, you know.
I used to teach high school and the online world
is it's a battle. And I'm so glad that our
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generation didn't grow up with that. But we had our
other things, you know, the pushing the boundaries, go behind
the closed doors at the birthday parties. And I'd read
the magazines that my mom didn't want me to read
because it was telling young girls how to do sexual
activities and that was not appropriate, and I knew it
wasn't appropriate, but my friend's parents let them have it,
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and so I was reading these magazines so I can't
imagine if we had access to social media and I
was raised by it. My mom was a cop, and
I even remember sleepover. She wouldn't let me sleep over
at someone's house if they had an older brother. And
I was so embarrassed and I was so annoyed.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
I'm like, oh, now, I'm like, thank you.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
Mom, exactly. Yeah, she might have prevented something from happening.
Here's based off of what you just said. Here's here's
the interesting thing. You said, Well, because my friend's parents
let them have that, your kids don't even need a
friend's parents.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
They have their phone and the internet that allows you
to have access to everything.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Yeah, you know, and so it's it's a difficult thing.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
And you know you mentioned we're not here to shame anyone.
We're here to educate people. But here, I'm here to
protect the innocence of children. And if you're not going
to protect the innocence of your own children, I'm going
to somehow some way that maybe it's through law enforcement
or whatever it. Maybe we're going to pass bills, we're
going to work on, you know, shutting down apps. I
love promoting Leilah Mikelway and what she's doing with trafficking Hub,
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you know, and what they're doing, she's shutting down porn sites.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
And these are things that we have to do to
protect children because sometimes the un real truth is parents
are selling their children to make money for their drug addictions.
So we can't rely on parents to protect their own children.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
I hope to God you would, And I know there's
people listening that that this is important to them, But.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
There are parents doing this.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
Did you hear the staff from the Department of Justice,
ninety percent of sexual abuse for children.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Is happening from somebody they know or trust.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
Doesn't mean that have to be actually related, but it
means that it's somebody that they know or trust. That
also could be that they took three months of grooming
online that they feel like they know and feel like
they trust.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
But you know, these are these are There's a lot
of parents out there who aren't parenting, who are addicted
to their phone, who you know, probably want more fall
and their kids have, who aren't paying attention, and those
kids are vulnerable, and the predators know it.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
They know it. There's a great man I wish I
could remember.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
Who said this. It's probably all over the internet. You
can just type in some of these words. But when
they interviewed these predators who were praying on children, and
they asked them, when you chose.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Your victims, what were some of the things that you
looked for.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
And the first thing that he says is I looked
at the dad, and if the dad wasn't a threat,
it was game on. But if the dad was a threat,
I would just go into an easier target.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
That's one area. But here's the other thing. Dad's if
we want to talk to dads particular right now, why
it's so important and I'm not talking I don't It
doesn't matter if.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
You're married or divorced or whatever it may be. There's
a significant role as a father that you play in
your son's life. But let's not forget about the daughter's life.
And I'm sure you could talk about this potentially, and
I've talked to a lot of women about this as well,
but in those younger ages when girls and I don't
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know this from experience, so you probably can speak better
about this. But when you're seeking that attention from the
opposite sex, when you have a dad at home who's
actually providing attention, who's actually a president who actually cares
about you, who actually engages, who actually spends time with you.
You're less likely to find that like filler somewhere else,
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and potentially not as good of a role model if
you do find it somewhere else then from your own father. So, dads,
it's super important for you to have a relationship with
your daughters as well and spend time with them, give
them attention, be present with them. Be a male role model,
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a good one. Not just dad's gonna be role models,
but they could be negative ones. But let's be a
good one. What kind of a man do you want
your daughter to seek out and be that?
Speaker 3 (50:07):
You know?
Speaker 4 (50:08):
And so I think that those are also important things
to do as a as a man, as a dad,
to do that and be that presence in your daughter's life,
because look at the statistics they're praying on children who
have issues sometimes with men. It could be a post
about boys, and that's the green light.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
I hate boys. Oh she hates boys. Watch this.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
I'm gonna be the coolest and nicest, most charming boy
she's ever met in her life. I'm gonna tell her
things she's never heard that she's been dreaming and praying
of I'm gonna be her prince that comes and rescues her,
and they pray on it.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
They pray on it.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
How can we help you? What can we do?
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Because you said this as fully people funded, we need
the Innocent organization. How can anybody who's listening help out
reach out or even get you to connect with their
law enforcement.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
Yeah, well, everything you just said I think. Uh, you know,
we can provide statistics to certain things, and we can
educate through our social media. Most of our handles are
at the Innocent dot USA or the Innocent USA.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
The Innocent dot Org is our website. Go on there.
There's a couple of areas that you can help. If
you're law enforcement, we have a law enforcement tab. Go
on there.
Speaker 4 (51:26):
Feel that out for your department. Somebody will reach out
to you and your department. If you're looking to get
the training or sometimes equipment, we have a we have
a waiting list for training. So it's gonna be a
ways out until we can bring on more trainers and more.
You know, we need the resources to bring on more contractors.
But we can get technology to departments pretty quickly in
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software and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
So if you're a law.
Speaker 4 (51:49):
Enforcement officer, go onto the page, click on law enforcement.
You can watch the video on there. Reach out. Somebody
will contact you and have a conversation with you as
a as a community member. There's a community tab. That's
one area where you can go.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
Click on that tab. You can fail out a form
as well.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
That's going to allow us to get an idea of
what you're looking to do in your community. But really
that's the start of becoming what I call it a defender.
So you're going to become the defender of children in
your community. That's going to kickstart. You will build a website,
We'll get you a QR code. You can now do
an event. We have swag you can buy on our shop.
There's a shop button. You can sell that event or
(52:28):
whatever you want to do. But really that event should
be how to draw people in talk about digital parenting,
because that's the world we live in. About the realities.
Educate them, but start building a team. So when laws
get pasted in your state, you have people to sign them.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
You can go to city council and importantly, you can
talk about this avenue that you as a community can
provide through fundraising your local departments as far as training
and equipment, so you can spear that through that community link.
And then lastly, this one is extremely important and very easy.
Well there's two more ones. One that doesn't cost anything.
Speaker 4 (53:05):
But as a protector, that's someone who donates every single month.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
And I'm telling you, you think.
Speaker 4 (53:11):
Ten dollars a month doesn't make a difference, and it
doesn't if you don't.
Speaker 3 (53:16):
But when a thousand people donate ten dollars a month,
now the thousand people of that population of America is
incredibly small. I believe we can get a thousand people
that donate ten dollars a month. That almost gets us
to training in one stay every month. And that means
multiple departments could come together.
Speaker 4 (53:36):
That's not just one department, that's not just one officer
that's infiltrating, many departments mini officers for years to come,
because this money could come in and train them, get
them equipment, and then they can we leave and they
can just keep pushing that so on our website. Become
a monthly protector and protect the children. And then lastly,
(54:00):
just pray for us. You know, the men and the
women on the front lines of this sex crimes all
over the United States are literally at the Gates of Hell.
And you talk about how difficult this can be is
extremely difficult. You're talking about a subject matter where you know,
you said, this one rips your heart out law enforcement,
(54:24):
and I know this from my entire team and most
people that I know that get into this, and why
they get passionate about this is because they've been doing
narcotics for so long and you know that they're choosing
that lifestyle, right or crime theft, em bezzling, money, fraud,
you know, it's somebody saying like I want to steal
that person's money or whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (54:45):
These are innocent children. They're not just innocent, they're actually children.
Speaker 4 (54:49):
They didn't choose this, and that adds an completely.
Speaker 3 (54:53):
Different element to this, to this crime, you know.
Speaker 4 (54:56):
And you're not talking about like, oh my purse got
robbed and now I got to go get a new
ID and I'll get through this in the next thirty days.
You're talking about my life has been changed and this
healing could potentially be long term for many years to come.
It's not fair, it's complete injustice. It's it's sad that
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it's happening. But that is why law enforcement loves to do.
They would retire. I've heard it so many times. If
I can retire right now, just do just this, I
would because it's so important to them too.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
It's different.
Speaker 4 (55:33):
This is different when you're dealing with, like we're talking
about that sense of wonder, that innate goodness inside of
a human life that goes away because at some point
the harsh realities of the world take over and they
start seeing the immoral world that we live in, and
it slowly fades away. But how long can we preserve that?
(55:55):
That's part of our mission. Preserving the innocence of children,
you know, like preserve in the Grand Canyons. Great, but
I want to preserve a future of America. I want
to preserve that innocence. And let's stop the darkness from spreading.
Because once the child is abused or they're manipulated to
say that at eight years old having sex is normal,
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they start doing it to other children that are eight
or nine or six, and then they start doing it
and it becomes it just starts to spread this darkness
like literally an infection.
Speaker 1 (56:28):
I encourage everyone to have these conversations in your social
circles with your friends. But thank you so much, and
I will absolutely be supporting you guys and promoting you
guys all year because we absolutely believe in what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
Thank you, Nate, fire Eyes Media
Hi everybody, and welcome to season three of True Crevin Headlines,
and I am so excited to introduce you to somebody
that actually stumbled across on Instagram he runs The Innocent
and Nate welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Thank you, good to see you, Good to see you too.
This is Nate Lewis and you guys.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
He has such important work that he is doing with
his organization, and I cannot wait for you guys to
hear what he's going to share with us, especially if
you have children, or if you have children in your lives,
or if you're a teacher.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
This is so important.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
It's important to everybody, every citizen, and I really want
to encourage everybody to listen to the whole episode and
really take to heart what he has to share with
us and then put it into action. Nate, can you
just go ahead and introduce us quickly, your background and
what it is that you guys do.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Well, I am the founder and CEO of The Innocent,
where an organization dedicated to protect and preserve the innocence
of children. We focus on child sex, trafficking, exploitation, and
sexual assault.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
And we're in many different ways, but one of our
major ways of doing.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
This prevention is we are made mostly of active duty
law enforcement officers with training and skills and experience and
this crime. And so we go around to police departments
or multiple in a certain region and we train them
on how to do these investigations from beginning to end.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Basically set up an undercover operation online and do all.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
These investigations from literally start to finish. And sometimes we
don't always promise it, but during the actual training, we're
doing live operations, so we'll make arrests. And so that's
a little bit about what we do. We're getting into
education certain things. We're building out programs for school resource
officers as well, so they can you know, they're on
(01:56):
the front lines with children, so we get in there
soon enough, hopefully we'll have some education content just for
parents and the general public that we're partnering with another
organization on.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
And that's really what it is. It's really coming down
to protecting the innocence. You know. I worked I worked.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
For a nonprofit probably the largest in the world, fighting
human trafficking, child sex trafficking globally internationally, and it really
was the people that I kept hearing from was like, what.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Are we doing here? And if I donate money, can
it stay in my state?
Speaker 4 (02:29):
And I started asking the police, like why is it
there stuff going on here like a couple of my buddies,
And it all came down to like resources, red tape,
certain things, and I was like, well, why don't we
just cut all that and let the people fund the
local law enforcement and they can see their money go
to work in their own communities, protect their own children.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
And it was it was.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Literally like that thought, and so I ran with it,
and it's it's it's gained significant traction, you know. So
now we're one hundred percent focused here in the United States.
Every dollar stays in our border, and we're protect and
our children. There's amazing opportunities for the community to come
together through events, education, awareness, but also just combining resources
(03:08):
for their local law enforcement. And we can get into
a little bit of that here in a little bit.
But it's not just one department. I mean, we can
do that, but it's more effective when you get all
the departments in the area together and you can use one,
two or three individuals from each one and build somewhat
of a task force, and then they can continue to
go do this all year for years to come.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
You are boots on the ground. You are involved in
every aspect of this. Your organization is comprised of what
type of career individuals. I know you have detectives. What
else do you have working with your organization?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah, well, most of them right now are investigators. We
have a task force officer with a federal agency as well,
but they're all investigators. On my board as a school
resource officer, he's helping build that program as well. But
they're all really in investigations. Most investigative teams all do
investigations and they kind of know what it is to
(04:07):
write a search warrant and that type of thing. But
when it comes to child sex crimes, where do you
go and find this? Like you know, finding drugs and narcotics,
you know, you got to go out on the streets.
So there's certain areas you know, how to get into
that ringing. But right now, with sex crimes and exploitation
and videos online and all these things, these predators are
hiding their identities online. They think they're safe and they're
(04:32):
doing a lot of these things and they're buying and
selling online. So these tactics are somewhat new, you know,
to these smaller departments. We've gotten feedback like, man, this
is so cutting edge, like we're stuck in the nineties
doing our investigations because you have to be online.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
You know, to clarify, Sorry to stop you for one second,
but to clarify for everyone listening, they're buying and selling
children on there.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yes, okay, correct, Yes, clarify.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
And most of the actually the transactional things does sometimes
happen on the internet, but really the the everything else,
all the conversations, all the evidence, all of the deals
so to speak, in terms of the you know, contract
or or are in writing online. You know, this is
not you know, like the old days, you know, used
(05:23):
to go under cover with cameras and microphones hidden and
wired up and they're patting you down and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
It's it's not so much that anymore.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
You know, there's site specifically for selling humans for sex, right,
whether it's yourself or someone else.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Uh so this is all happening online? Definitely?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yes, is this black market items or is it out
there just on apps? In the in hiding and playing
view that we're just not the general public is just
not aware of the.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
General public's just not aware of this is on regular
dot com websites. They're not even in the deep way, brother,
dark web. This is right in the clear web. I
call it the lightweb. Also on social media, I know,
a marketplace, all kinds of places that you wouldn't believe
that these type of things are actually happening, happening everywhere, honestly,
(06:18):
And here's what I think is really important to understand.
We're in the business of protecting and preserving the innocence
of children in the United States.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So what does that look like. That's all forms.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
So when you talk about human trafficking, if you look
underneath your state statutes, that is a lot of things
that people can be arrested for underneath that. That could
include voyeurism, you know, people putting up cameras and video
and people and selling them or whatever. But also the
innocence of a child can be robbed through social media
by a predator, you know, freending somebody them getting into
(06:48):
their inbox. In the first message could potentially be a
photo of their privates asking them to rate it, you know,
and at eleven years old, that might be the first
time you've seen a grown man sending.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
The type of photos.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
That's a layer of innocence that's being ripped apart, also
the grooming that's happening, and then the manipulation that's occurring,
manipulating them to eventually start sending photos of themselves in exchange.
And for some of them it's actually to men, and
sometimes they believe it's young boys, but it's men, and
some boys think they're sending them to girls when it's not.
And it's just it's kind of a mess out there.
(07:22):
So there's a lot of ways to as you mentioned, parents,
how do your children protect themselves? And how do you
protect your children and how do they navigate this new
digital world and remain innocent and keep that you know,
that purity, that sense of wonder, you know, that innate
goodness inside of them?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
How do they keep that for as long as possible.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I think a lot of what you talk about is
obviously it's your daily it's it's what you do daily,
it's what you're passionate about. But hearing it too, some
of it is just taken aback a little shocking because
obviously it's out there, but to hear explicitly said, a
grown man will send you know, an image of his
genitals and say rate this to a child. A lot
(08:03):
of people will think, well, not my kid. Well, and
then I like, you know, here's a flow chart. Does
your kid have a cell phone? There's your kid have
this app? It could be your kid. And I think
that's something super important that people don't realize is it
can't happen to you. It may have already happened to
your child, or you can step in now and prevent
it with different strategies that I know you'll get into
(08:26):
a little bit later. What I am curious about is
do you have any specific cases that you guys have
done with innocent that you're able to talk us through
as much as you can obviously legally, just to show
everybody what it is exactly that you do from the
front end to the back.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I can touch on all of those, and sometimes these
cases take a long time to really get through the
whole case, but there are a few that have been closed.
Part of what we're really wanting to do. Let I
want to make this clear is we're not just trying
to arrest people. That's great, but we were trying to
build really strong cases. You know, don't just get the
(09:05):
elements of crime, go above and beyond that. So that
you build a strong case of prosecutors can really slam
down these cases and get the strongest penalty. Hopefully the
judge will provide the strongest penalty, the maximum sentencing. One
of the early cases that we were a part of was,
and this is what's important, parents and children, make sure
(09:25):
your location services is off, because this is how fast
it happens. We, you know, go online undercover and we
just turn on our app location services on and it
alerts people on a certain platform. Hey, so and so
is online close by, and we were now messaged by
(09:46):
an individual who were eleven by the way, just so
you know, And within seven minutes that conversation, that's how
fastest conversation took. We had all the elements of crime
that we needed to arrest this individual. And he actually
showed up at the school the next day thinking she
was going to skip school, that he was going to
(10:07):
take her into his car and rape heer. Essentially that's
what it is. It's going to pay her to do it, though.
But he was arrested, and he had an eleven year
old stepchild living with him and a nine year old
girls and so think about the girls that are living
in his home that he showed up to have sex
with that a school in his car, you.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Know, seven minutes. And this is why I think it's
important to talk about this case.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
If your location tells people where you are right even
on a lot of these I'll just call it out
right now.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Snapchat.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
You can be talking on Snapchat to people or whatever,
just be on it, and people can not only see
where you're at, like your actual house, like your location,
but when you get up and move to the kitchen,
that actually follows you, so they know whe're at in
the house you are. So there's a lot of things
that you can do to protect but here's the most
(11:01):
important thing. Kids, Please shut your social media sites down.
Don't let it just be public. I understand that that's
like a sense of popularity and you know your your identity,
but if you don't know the thousand people that are
following you, you don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
What's happening to your photos either.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
And if you think that the disappearing messages and all
that stuff, there's ways to get around it.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
You gotta be careful parents too.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Here's the thing parents, I'll kind of jump into this
and we could talk about a couple more cases.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Recent ones. But parents, when you're posting photos of your
children's you know, summer birthday party by the pool, there's trolls.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
So you might be following somebody with a million followers,
there's trolls that go to that person's following. They have
access to a million people's accounts potentially, and they.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Start stroll just scrolling through those and looking. Oh, woman
bank go right into their okay children, Awesome, she's so
proud of her children. Oh that's so sweet. Look at
all the photos that I can hold my finger on
and download to my phone and.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Then who knows what happens to those? Those can be
potentially turned into AI porn. You know, child sexual abuse
and material is really what it's called. And so now
your child's images are being created to create child sexual
abuse material to be traded and sold in all types
of forums. Well, think about this statistic, you know, and
(12:32):
all these stats are on our social media too, but
one in five children one in five, So if you
have five children, one of your children will be solicited
for sex online before they turn eighteen.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
That's right now. Who knows in ten years what it's
going to be like.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
So we have to start locking things down because here's
the reality.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I'll talk about another case real quick.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
These things can take time, and I think that a
lot of parents. Only two percent of trafficking or sexual
abuse is happening for people literally snagging.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
And grabbing, you know, cads from the park. Yeah, what
happens is this grooming. Right, they find vulnerable children online
whatever they're posting about.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Their brands are not fully developed. Usually the predators are
somewhat developed but much older, and they manipulate these children
by using tactics of attention, buying them things.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
But this grooming can take place over months.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
We just I think it was January thirty first arrested
a guy where the confrontation started in November. So it
can take a while, right having you have to have
a relationship with the human being.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
This gentleman had been arrested multiple times for raping children.
He had a worn out, he wasn't hiding, had a
worn out for his rest for raping a nine year old.
And he shows up talking to this twelve year old.
And he shows up have sex with a twelve year
old at a park and gets arrested. That was during
one of our trainings. We were training six departments here locally,
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and that was just happened to be what we were.
That was actually a real life scenario. Our training is
real life. It's not like virtual. It's like putting cops
in real training and assigning roles and responsibilities.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
And so here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Parents, it's not can't happen to your children, absolutely because
I don't think people understand how it happens mentally and
emotionally and who they're targeting.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Right. And it's a slow sometimes it's a very slow thing.
Even in our cases. It's not like hey, how much when?
Not all the time. It's rarely often like that. You know,
one they're kind of cautious, like what's going on.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
They'd want to trust you and build that relationship and
test you a little bit, but.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
This becomes like a relationship. Now.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
There are those that they have a copy and paste like, hey, beautiful,
you know, I run a modeling agency where you could
potentially make three hundred and fifty dollars an hour modeling.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Do you have any experience? Here's my real email address
and my real phone number.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
And then you start messing with them and they're like,
you know, ask them, can they pose a lingerie. I
mean eleven, dude, I mean eleven, I shouldn't even be
wearing lingerie, let alone doing a photo.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Shoot with you.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
And then they start asking them like can you be
trashy and slutty and all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
That's the conversations starting with your eleven year old.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Now, depending on the eleven year old money, you know, society,
what's being pumped into their brain about what's cool, and
you know, it can influence that decision making.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Of like oh, a model three hund fifty dollars an hour.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
You know what that means That I might just get
their interest to start a conversation and then from there,
who knows where it goes. So it can't happen to anyone,
trust me. And you mentioned how hard it is to
hear these things and talk about it, and this is
like elementary level just so you know. Yeah, but but
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it's much hard to experience and go through it, and
as a child it's so much harder.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
The amount of time that goes into the.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Healing journey that comes after this, right, and so us
talking about it, especially as adults, could be somewhat difficult.
But I can promise you this, the more you talk
about it. The more you learn about it, the more
you educate yourself about it, it becomes more common like, hey,
we should be talking about this. It's our children that's
(16:30):
kind of a high priority, I would think, and their safety,
their innocence, and maybe we should start talking about it, honestly,
So I'm glad that you are.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Well, thank you. It's interesting because I think as the
true crime community, a lot of us that do podcasting
have been victims of some sort of crimes ourselves, and
we get very passionate about it, and a lot of
the listeners as well.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
But this is an area where we don't.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Typically talk a lot about because the would you say
that two percent are actual in person abductions or that
those things, and that means those are the cases we
talk about. So it sounds like it's ninety percent in
this small community, but when in reality, if it's this
(17:22):
big of a percentage is online, Absolutely everybody needs to
be talking about this. And I think too, there's a
layer of social media, not just social media, but the Internet.
You know how quickly everything's evolving, and people get lost
in the dust in these apps and they just don't
understand and it's confusing, and they don't they're overwhelmed and
(17:42):
don't know how to get on it. And maybe they
put their trust in their child, but they can't trust
the people out there and they're still, just like you said,
innocent kids. And so we have to be that safeguard
right there. But what I find interesting too is that
there's not more of you out there, training more departments.
(18:05):
I would with how prevalent this is in the United States,
can we copy and paste you and can get you
I mean, I know you're national and you'll travel and
we can get into how that is, how you we
can help you with doing that in our own communities.
But are there lots of organizations like you out there
(18:27):
trying to help law enforcement keep up.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
I wouldn't say there's lots, absolutely, not I know about
I know there might be a couple, I know one particularly,
But the reality is is why is this not happening?
It's it really comes down to restricted funding and red tape,
and that's what we try to cut out. You know,
the the technology, some of the technology that we provide.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
If a detective is like, hey, I heard.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
About this really amazing evidence, you know, forensics technology, it's
x amount of dollars for a year, but we get
five licenses and their boss is like, great, we'll submit it,
we'll review budgets in the summer, and then hopefully next
year we can purchase it. And they're like, oh, okay,
well that sounds like a waste of time, you know.
When they reach out to us and we've we can
(19:20):
turn it on within twenty four to forty eight hours
for them, that's cutting red tape, right. That's one advantage
to what we do. But not only that. Did you
hear the part about well, let's review it and put
it into our budget.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
The budgets for law enforcement are so restricted.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Right now and they're just reacting to whatever they can,
especially with personnel and all that. But here's where it
comes into is it can be very costly to send
your five detectives on airplanes, put them up in a
hotel for a week, to sit in a conference room
and watch power points. But it happens, don't get me wrong.
That happens, and we go to them. It's fine, and
(19:58):
you learn some things and and you network and learn
some tricks of the trades and all that stuff, and
that's great. But what departments love even better is that
their cops go home at night, their detectives go home
at night because we fly to them, We put ourselves up,
we provide them real training and they get to do
this in their community, with their laws, with their support
(20:21):
that now they get a practice run through that when
we leave, they can continue to operate. And the costs
and zero dollars like zero, So.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Is there a need? Absolutely? Is there a want?
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Unbelievable, had eighteen departments three to chout to us in
the week between Christmas and New Year's alone.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
They want this. Where is the funding come from?
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Well that and we'll get into is it's the people
because we get restricted by the funds that we can provide. Well, well,
one hundred percent funded by the people, and that's what's great.
And we'll talk about the community and how communities can
come together through our community link and really it's pretty inexpensive.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
For a community to pay for this technolo and this
training in.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Their area to protect their community and then they can
actually watch the results, like all the local press that
are picking up some of these, you know, the training
and the arrests that were being made.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Is and I get it from the people, like it's
so cool to see this. Oh my gosh, it's so cool.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
You know, because they're watching it in their local news,
like their local news feeds that are talking about it.
So that is is there some some which is way
better than three to five years ago. And I think
it's going to continue to grow. There's been a huge
turn in law enforcement. Part to answer your question, part
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of in this is not to be negative because all
my team are active duty law enforcement. We support law enforcement.
I love law enforcement. I'm here to help them and
serve them. But a lot of them just aren't educated
in this because it is kind of a new area.
They don't have any experience doing it. Everybody's been fighting
the war on drugs for so long they don't even
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know what the war for innocence is, and so it's
not anything other than hey, let's inform you, Like here's
a real example. We do these kind of tests where
we go undercover in these sites in these areas to
kind of just see like what is the market here, right,
And so we do that and then we get flooded
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with people messaging us.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
And whatever it may be.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
And so this sergeant goes to his chief was like, Hey, I.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Really want to start doing some of this stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
You know, this is going to be provided by this
nonprofit this that He's like, well, is.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
It really a problem here?
Speaker 4 (22:34):
And he's like, I'm so glad you asked, and he
turns this computer around. He's like, this is the ad
of the photo that we posted and the person with
the description, and here's all the people that have messaged
me in the last week, over hundreds, like four in
the first ten minutes, right, and then here's some of
the conversations that I've had.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Let's look through it.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
And he literally goes, Oh, my gosh, we probably need
a full time person that just focus on this because
this is probably worse than drugs. That's the type of
leader you need, right. He ends up posting a training
and bringing all the departments together and like understands now, right,
because if you're not in this world, you don't really
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know and it changes all the time. Like you said,
criminals will tell you, hey, this got you shut down,
Let's go over here and talk on here, or moves
you to this play have you been there? You can
ask you things and oh, they'll point you in the
right direction. But if you're not living in this world,
all the time. You don't know where to look or
how to go about it, or where's the new trends
or what's the new areas or what's the new app,
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what's the new website. And so that's part of the
problem is they just don't know, right, They just don't know,
and they don't know the prevalence. You know, they're reacting
to the nine one one calls, right, they're just reacting.
So they don't know what's happening out there. One resource
for you, parents, and I think this is for everyone actually,
if you want to really understand the severity of what's
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going on, there's a website called family Watchdog dot us
the National Sex Offenders Registry. Go on there, put your
address in, Look at the map. It'll blow your mind.
It's gonna be color coded. It'll explain it. You can
go down, you can look at the charges, you can
see their booking photo, all the things.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Okay, it'll probably blow your mind and you'll be.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Like, oh my gosh, there's someone in my neighborhood or
multiple but it's going to flood it. Here's an interesting statistic.
So we were invited to be part of the undercover
operation with the eighteen departments last summer, and they've been
doing this type of online undercover investigations for five years,
and to this date, they've arrested about three hundred and
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fifty individuals from these undercover steam operations.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Now here's the thing. Yeah, we arrested thirteen in a
small town of less than fifty thousand on one weekend.
But here's what's fascinating to me. When you look at
the three hundred and fifty people that were arrested, only
three eighty percent of those we're registered sex offenders.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
So that tells me that all those people you're looking
at on that website represents about three percent of those
that were arrested over five years out of a three
hundred figure and that's a small pool.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I think the number is probably higher. But there's predators
wanting to pay for sex with children that haven't been caught,
that haven't been found guilty, they haven't registered as a
sex findor yet they're out there living amongst our neighborhoods.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
So hopefully that can actually show you some real evidence
of is this really a problem, because a lot of people,
law enforcement, public, whoever, might believe that it's not.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Is it really happening. Is it really that bad?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Hopefully that can help you see the truth of the
matter is that it is. There's already lots of people
who've been arrested in your neighborhood, but there's a whole
lot more that are out there that haven't been caught yet.
And that's why we have to be proactive. We have
to go after them and not wait until it's too late,
when the crime has already been committed. Another statistic, one
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hundred and seventeen victims. According to the National Sex Offenders Registry,
the typical pedophile will abuse one hundred and seventeen victims
in their lifetime. That's why we need to get the
statistics that we can't ever share is how many lives
did we protect. We don't know the guy that we
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arrested two weeks ago, who we raised several children already
at forty years old, I don't know how many more
children he would have raped for the next forty years.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
But who knows.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Now that he's on a million dollar bail and hopefully
doesn't get out for a really long time, I don't
know how many. Maybe let's just pretend he gets ten
years in prison. We just created ten years of innocence
for children number one. But how many children did we
prevent from having their innocence stolen from them? And I
think that's what's important about the work that we do,
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is we have to get ahead of this. My friends
run after care facilities, and you know they're doing their
day to just help heal children.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
But my goal is to put them out of business
so that we don't need aftercare. You know, we don't
need to have healing because we are eliminating and causing
enough threat and enough risk that people aren't out there
abusing children.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
That's my hope as a father and the CEO of
the Innocent. What kind of boundaries do you recommend and
do you put in place?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Well, this could be a long list, and it also
depends on the age of a child, right and so
first and foremost, we have to start with a relationship
with our children.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Put down your phone, have a more of a relationship
with your child than you do with your phone, and
make it real and create a safe place for them
to come and.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Talk to you.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
If you don't have that first and foremost, all the
rest of these things that I'm gonna share with you
won't really matter. You can try to protect them as
much as you want, but if you can't have a
real conversation and you can't be the support without fear
when they actually come to you with something that's very
difficult for them to talk to you about, it's going
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to be harder, much, much harder for you. So depending
on where you're at now. Look, if it's younger children,
I have younger children. We have very very very clear
conversations about who should be touching you in certain areas.
No one, absolutely no one should, and what do you
do if that occurs?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Who do you talk to? And who do you tell?
And I need to know about it, right.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
So it's easier for me to have these conversations because
my kids have been to advance and heard me talk
about children being sex trafficked, right, so they understand. They
watch my videos, they said, and they're young five and three,
you know. So, But I don't think that it's ever
too early because their brains are forming, they're learning so much,
and they're understanding, they're building their world and their foundation,
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and I think that that's an important piece, is like
what's going to make you uncomfortable?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
So here's the other thing with parents, cut and dry.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
One thing that I would I would I would say,
I would recommend, and I know lots of people that
do this. If your children's friends are coming over, when
they enter the home, they put their phones all somewhere.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Let's go back to.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
The old days where we just hung out, played played games,
and did things without distractions of the phones.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Certainly those phones don't go into.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
The bedroom behind closed doors, because not only do you
have access to the world as a child with the
whole world has access to your children, and you have
no clue about that. I would say that at night,
for sure, if there's a sleepover or whatever it is,
have them in an open space, not out behind closed doors,
because unfortunately, what we see, what we know is that
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sometimes this abuse comes from a slumber party, a birthday party,
a sleepover, a sibling.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Your child's going over to their friends to have a sleepover,
in the older sibling starts fondling a child, right, and
so having children behind closed doors is not the best practice.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Right because you don't know what's going on inside of there.
There's a lot of apps as a parent you can
you can search these. Bark is one of the apps
that you can put on the monitor and you can
get notifications as a parent of what.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Parameters you can put on your child's phone. But also
it we'll give you alerts of some of the things
that they're doing. But here again, and I'm going to
go on about a few more, but I'm going to
go back to this.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
I'm gonna use this analogy of parents. When your children
turn sixteen to get their driver's license. I know that's
a scary moment for you, like they're going out into
the world driving potential risks, lots of dangers, you know,
But they've also spent maybe a year practicing, taking tests,
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taking a physical, actual test, taking an electronic test, knowing
the laws, practice practice, practice, to where they actually.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Can go out there.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
And then you buy them a car that's hopefully safe,
maybe has air bags, seatbelts, that type of thing. But
the reality is how are they going to be Really
it's up to them to be safe.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
They have to have awareness.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
They have to actually stop at the orange yellow light
instead of running through it. They have to yield at
a left turn, they have to actually follow these guidelines.
That's part of the conversations that we don't have as
parents with children navigating the Internet and social media for
many reasons. One, we didn't grow up with it. We
didn't go through this school, this training, and our kids
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know more than we do about apps and technology unfortunately.
So it's a tough, difficult situation. That's why it comes
down to conversations. And that's why that relationship is the
first and foremost important thing to have as a parent
with a child, because when you're starting to talk to
them about these things that some children might think is
that's not real, that's conspiracy or whatever it is. But
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when they actually start seeing it, they can come to
you and be like, mom, dad, I just had this
guy who just messaged me this right, And then they
can have that conversation and then potentially what happens. And
I would suggest not doing this to us too far
of an extent parents, because I know parents that take
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over their kids phone and have these conversations pretending to
be the child and then pass them off the law enforcement.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
And that can work.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
But potentially, depending on how much evidence is really there,
you want to get it in the hands of law enforcement.
Hopefully they're trained to know how to take those conversations
and bring them in and arrest them. But there are
the probably parents, children. The most important thing, the simplest thing,
is always have your location services off, but lock your
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accounts down.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
That is the one where you said, let's be cutting dry.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
There's no reason to me other than trying to be
popular to have an account that's open that people don't
have to actually ask you to let them in, where
people can just follow you strangers. Because when I was
a kid, it was like, hey, don't talk to the stranger,
don't take candy from a stranger.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Don't like that. But now you're actually letting strangers into
your whole world. They can watch your entire routine. They
can not only know where you live, they can know
where you like to eat, when you like to eat,
you what school you go to, Who are some of
your friends, where do they live. They can actually know
who their parents are, start tracking their parents.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Know when the kids home alone. There's so many things.
You're letting strangers right into.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Your entire world. Please shut your accounts down.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
I understand that having a thousand followers is really cool,
but it's not when you don't know what's about to
come into your direct messages and what that damage could
do to you long term and I know it's hard
to explain that, but a lot of kids, if they're
listening right now, have experienced this. Young adults have experienced this.
They've seen it. They've probably got rid of it, or
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they close their account down because they've seen it over
and over and over. It's happening all the time.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
A sad thing is.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Here's one sad thing parents. This is why you got
to convince them to lock this down. We've seen this,
We have video evidence of this. Because we were thinking,
do we file a class action lawsuit against these social
media platforms, but they're worth twenty one billion dollars, so
it's really difficult to win a lawsuit.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Probably. But why in the world this is real? We
are at a fake account as an eleven year old
or a twelve year old or fourteen year old, Why
in the world are these accounts? They are parents introducing
grown men to your daughter. They're suggesting them. Why because
they follow other girls That accounts look just like your daughters.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Your daughter accepts them to upheard followers, and guess what
they do next?
Speaker 3 (34:46):
They suggest ten more just like him. She accepts those
and guess what happens within minutes, one hundreds more just
like him. Why are these social media apps introducing grown
men to children? That should be illegal. There's no reason
to introduce a grown name to a child period.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Where's the liability and it's predator algorithm?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Where's the lidius?
Speaker 4 (35:14):
You're telling me I can't make a post about a
statistic literally make us post about from the Department of
Justice is the source on the post that ninety percent
of sex victims are abused by someone they.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Know or trust. And I get shut down and that
gets I can't put it well, I can't even pay
them to put it out there, right, But you're telling
me they can't monitor the conversations that are going on,
and then inside those conversations, this wouldn't get flagged.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Hey you're cute. Do you like older men? Not really sure?
You know whatever? The conversation is, Well, how old are you?
I'm twelve? How old are you? I'm fifty one. They're
telling me that they can't monitor that, but my post
about a fact from the Department of Justice gets monitored.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Come on, like they can't. They're not. They're actually enabling
children's innocence to be taken.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
They're which they're doing the work mostly bringing them together
bringing them the.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Crime, because if they never met them, they would never
have their innocence robbed.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
So as parents, we can if they have if they
have social media, if that's something that.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
You will not waiver on. Okay, so let's talk what
you can do.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Make sure it's private, it is a private account, and
you vet everybody that your child is not only following,
but is following them as well. How do you feel
about parents having full access to kids' devices when they're teenagers,
going on and checking their phones and their messages.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Uh, they're not an adult as a child, your parents are.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Are their job and the role of duty is guidance
and protection and we have to because the brains aren't
fully developed. That's why we have to make decisions for them.
We actually know what's best for them. So unless they're
paying for their own phone, it's very difficult for a
child to have legally have any say in what they're
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doing on the You know, what can happen to the
phone even if there is one of these crimes, This
is what happens.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
If the adult owns that.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Phone, like they actually bought it, They own it, it's
their possession. In that investigation, the parent can ask for
anything at any time, But if the child owns the phone,
a parent has no control to even an investigation.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
To ask the police, can I see what's on that phone?
Because it's not their possession.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
So if I am a parent and I own the
phone and I pay the bill, I set the parameters.
And I know we want our friends to our kids
to be friends with us, But what's more important being
the friend or protect?
Speaker 3 (38:00):
And so I believe that you put your you.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Put the parameters of how risk, how much risk do
you want to take with your children?
Speaker 3 (38:07):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
They can have it, but you have to understand there's
plenty of apps. I mentioned the Bark app you can
monitor the behavior.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
I'm not I think when your kids build a certain
trust that you can allow them to go more freely.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
But let them know at any time you can go
in there. Here's the tricky thing. I need parents to
understand this. This is where I would not falter. You
cannot falter this one.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Right now, every single social media app is coming up
with disappearing messages, every messaging app, WhatsApp, signal, all these things.
For those that don't know what this means you can
set a time on the message when the person reads it.
After seven seconds, thirty seconds, one minute, whatever. That message
disappears doesn't really disappear, not really, but for the parent,
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for the child, for the person they're communicating, those conversations
are gone.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
They disappear.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
How do you monitor what your child's talking about, who
they're talking to if you can't see it?
Speaker 3 (39:13):
That is one you can't falter. That is one rule. Listen,
this is what I would say to my kid.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
You can have these apps, but as soon as you
turn that disappearing messaging on, you lose it. I'm paying
for the phone, it's my phone. I'm letting you borrow it.
I'm doing this to protect my children.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Period.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Now, this is a difficult conversation, and I wanna I'm
gonna I want to take a moment to explain why
the school resource officer program that we're building out is
so important because.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
These conversations I'm talking about right now incredibly difficult for
a parent and a child, incredibly difficult, like one of
the most difficult conversations to have, right maybe worse than
the birds and the bees, to be honest with, because
that is every kid as it's their identity, it's their connections.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Their addiction to the world, and it's difficult. School resource
officers can be a third party that can actually speak
to them. They have a relationship with them about how
does this occur, what to look out for, and when
it does, report it to me because I'm your first
line of defense. I'm on the front lines and I
can help you report some of these people because it's.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Going to happen.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
It's not a matter of when it will or if
it is going to happen. So when that message comes
in and when these guys, if their account's open, starts happening,
come to me, the school resource officer, and let me
look at it and see is this harmful, is this playful?
What's going on? We can straight up tell our children like, hey,
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I'm not on here for that. That's what you'd hope
they would say, But it's very difficult because they're getting
the attention that they want right from this individual. So parents,
lock the phones down, get some apps, but have a
real conversation with your with your parent, with your children,
and have these conversations that are difficult because it's really
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important that they don't go through it, because that's way
more difficult than talking about it.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
You know what disgusts me to my core too, is
when you can when you go on an app, let's
say like Instagram. If I look at one video and
then the algorithm starts to work, maybe it's a music video,
a song I liked and dancing, and the algorithm continues
to work.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Maybe I've liked that video.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
I'll get solicitations in my unread messages or it filters
out and it's it feels like sex trafficking, fishing. The
accounts are shady, nobody follow you know, and I block
people all the time. But it's come to the point
where I even have to just not even click on
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certain things because I know it'll lead to something.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
It's like a three clicks rule.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
And then your kid can be exposed to pornography. And
I don't know if people understand how easy it is
for them to do one slight curve in the road
and end up in the pornography on social media. There's
no safeguards for your kids out there except you, really,
is what it comes down to. And if you don't
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believe us, take your kid's phone, look at the home screen,
look at the algorithms, see what's going on, because I
guarantee their stuff that you would not wish your child
to ever see on there, and that that part breaks
my heart for the innocence of our youth too, because
I feel it it's such a gateway and oh, well,
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it's okay. This person I like post this, and this
person has has this website of their naked images that
they sell and I really love this person and they're popular.
I can sell sell, I can send my photos to somebody.
It's not that big of a deal. And then they
become extra.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Susceptible to it. It just it breaks my heart.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Well, and you're mentioning something that is so important for
society to put the foot down with and I think
that our government needs to step in. And you're talking
about algorithms, and the algorithms are feeding every human no
matter what it is.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
If you like dance and music, it's feeding you. If
you like children, it's feeding you, whatever it is. And
so for children, one go look onto what go click
on search and see what's suggestive for you to search.
Go look on videos to see what videos are popping up,
because that's going to tell you what your kid's been doing.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
When you have children doing that, you also have predators
out there looking at stuff and these algorithms, like you're saying,
suggest maybe a younger one. Oh, here's a younger account,
and then they start consuming addiction of a younger account.
But what happens from there another younger account.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
We see children with accounts on Instagram that are super
young that have massive followings. I think an eight year
old with three hundred thousand following, and it says monitored
by parents. First of all, I would question the parents
on that one.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
Are you monetizing your child and making money off of
an eight year old? And who's following three hundred thousand?
Go look at those followers and it's exactly what you're
talking about. They follow us twenty five hundred people and
they have zero followers.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
And sometimes the comments are are you see older men
that say beautiful?
Speaker 2 (44:32):
And you're like, how is this on here?
Speaker 1 (44:35):
And how has this account not been shut down by
the parents already? And we're not out here to shame
anybody who's listening. We're here to educate and we're not
here to hide under a rock and pretend and be
naive that this isn't occurring.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
We're here to educate and hopefully the ripple effect.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
You can be your first line of defense for your
children navigating the online world, and we can.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Do better when we know better.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
And that's why, Nate, this is so important that you
were here and being so open and so honest with
us and just telling us exactly, also cut and dry.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
This is your responsibility.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
You are the responsible party, and you are responsible for
protecting your child. You know, they go out, they wear
a helmet and the bike, they have a phone. What
are they doing to protect themselves with that? You have
to teach them and that's such a missing piece, you know.
I used to teach high school and the online world
is it's a battle. And I'm so glad that our
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generation didn't grow up with that. But we had our
other things, you know, the pushing the boundaries, go behind
the closed doors at the birthday parties. And I'd read
the magazines that my mom didn't want me to read
because it was telling young girls how to do sexual
activities and that was not appropriate, and I knew it
wasn't appropriate, but my friend's parents let them have it,
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and so I was reading these magazines so I can't
imagine if we had access to social media and I
was raised by it. My mom was a cop, and
I even remember sleepover. She wouldn't let me sleep over
at someone's house if they had an older brother. And
I was so embarrassed and I was so annoyed.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
I'm like, oh, now, I'm like, thank you.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
Mom, exactly. Yeah, she might have prevented something from happening.
Here's based off of what you just said. Here's here's
the interesting thing. You said, Well, because my friend's parents
let them have that, your kids don't even need a
friend's parents.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
They have their phone and the internet that allows you
to have access to everything.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Yeah, you know, and so it's it's a difficult thing.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
And you know you mentioned we're not here to shame anyone.
We're here to educate people. But here, I'm here to
protect the innocence of children. And if you're not going
to protect the innocence of your own children, I'm going
to somehow some way that maybe it's through law enforcement
or whatever it. Maybe we're going to pass bills, we're
going to work on, you know, shutting down apps. I
love promoting Leilah Mikelway and what she's doing with trafficking Hub,
(47:01):
you know, and what they're doing, she's shutting down porn sites.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
And these are things that we have to do to
protect children because sometimes the un real truth is parents
are selling their children to make money for their drug addictions.
So we can't rely on parents to protect their own children.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
I hope to God you would, And I know there's
people listening that that this is important to them, But.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
There are parents doing this.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
Did you hear the staff from the Department of Justice,
ninety percent of sexual abuse for children.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Is happening from somebody they know or trust.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
Doesn't mean that have to be actually related, but it
means that it's somebody that they know or trust. That
also could be that they took three months of grooming
online that they feel like they know and feel like
they trust.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
But you know, these are these are There's a lot
of parents out there who aren't parenting, who are addicted
to their phone, who you know, probably want more fall
and their kids have, who aren't paying attention, and those
kids are vulnerable, and the predators know it.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
They know it. There's a great man I wish I
could remember.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
Who said this. It's probably all over the internet. You
can just type in some of these words. But when
they interviewed these predators who were praying on children, and
they asked them, when you chose.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Your victims, what were some of the things that you
looked for.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
And the first thing that he says is I looked
at the dad, and if the dad wasn't a threat,
it was game on. But if the dad was a threat,
I would just go into an easier target.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
That's one area. But here's the other thing. Dad's if
we want to talk to dads particular right now, why
it's so important and I'm not talking I don't It
doesn't matter if.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
You're married or divorced or whatever it may be. There's
a significant role as a father that you play in
your son's life. But let's not forget about the daughter's life.
And I'm sure you could talk about this potentially, and
I've talked to a lot of women about this as well,
but in those younger ages when girls and I don't
(49:10):
know this from experience, so you probably can speak better
about this. But when you're seeking that attention from the
opposite sex, when you have a dad at home who's
actually providing attention, who's actually a president who actually cares
about you, who actually engages, who actually spends time with you.
You're less likely to find that like filler somewhere else,
(49:36):
and potentially not as good of a role model if
you do find it somewhere else then from your own father. So, dads,
it's super important for you to have a relationship with
your daughters as well and spend time with them, give
them attention, be present with them. Be a male role model,
(49:57):
a good one. Not just dad's gonna be role models,
but they could be negative ones. But let's be a
good one. What kind of a man do you want
your daughter to seek out and be that?
Speaker 3 (50:07):
You know?
Speaker 4 (50:08):
And so I think that those are also important things
to do as a as a man, as a dad,
to do that and be that presence in your daughter's life,
because look at the statistics they're praying on children who
have issues sometimes with men. It could be a post
about boys, and that's the green light.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
I hate boys. Oh she hates boys. Watch this.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
I'm gonna be the coolest and nicest, most charming boy
she's ever met in her life. I'm gonna tell her
things she's never heard that she's been dreaming and praying
of I'm gonna be her prince that comes and rescues her,
and they pray on it.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
They pray on it.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
How can we help you? What can we do?
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Because you said this as fully people funded, we need
the Innocent organization. How can anybody who's listening help out
reach out or even get you to connect with their
law enforcement.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
Yeah, well, everything you just said I think. Uh, you know,
we can provide statistics to certain things, and we can
educate through our social media. Most of our handles are
at the Innocent dot USA or the Innocent USA.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
The Innocent dot Org is our website. Go on there.
There's a couple of areas that you can help. If
you're law enforcement, we have a law enforcement tab. Go
on there.
Speaker 4 (51:26):
Feel that out for your department. Somebody will reach out
to you and your department. If you're looking to get
the training or sometimes equipment, we have a we have
a waiting list for training. So it's gonna be a
ways out until we can bring on more trainers and more.
You know, we need the resources to bring on more contractors.
But we can get technology to departments pretty quickly in
(51:47):
software and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
So if you're a law.
Speaker 4 (51:49):
Enforcement officer, go onto the page, click on law enforcement.
You can watch the video on there. Reach out. Somebody
will contact you and have a conversation with you as
a as a community member. There's a community tab. That's
one area where you can go.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
Click on that tab. You can fail out a form
as well.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
That's going to allow us to get an idea of
what you're looking to do in your community. But really
that's the start of becoming what I call it a defender.
So you're going to become the defender of children in
your community. That's going to kickstart. You will build a website,
We'll get you a QR code. You can now do
an event. We have swag you can buy on our shop.
There's a shop button. You can sell that event or
(52:28):
whatever you want to do. But really that event should
be how to draw people in talk about digital parenting,
because that's the world we live in. About the realities.
Educate them, but start building a team. So when laws
get pasted in your state, you have people to sign them.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
You can go to city council and importantly, you can
talk about this avenue that you as a community can
provide through fundraising your local departments as far as training
and equipment, so you can spear that through that community link.
And then lastly, this one is extremely important and very easy.
Well there's two more ones. One that doesn't cost anything.
Speaker 4 (53:05):
But as a protector, that's someone who donates every single month.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
And I'm telling you, you think.
Speaker 4 (53:11):
Ten dollars a month doesn't make a difference, and it
doesn't if you don't.
Speaker 3 (53:16):
But when a thousand people donate ten dollars a month,
now the thousand people of that population of America is
incredibly small. I believe we can get a thousand people
that donate ten dollars a month. That almost gets us
to training in one stay every month. And that means
multiple departments could come together.
Speaker 4 (53:36):
That's not just one department, that's not just one officer
that's infiltrating, many departments mini officers for years to come,
because this money could come in and train them, get
them equipment, and then they can we leave and they
can just keep pushing that so on our website. Become
a monthly protector and protect the children. And then lastly,
(54:00):
just pray for us. You know, the men and the
women on the front lines of this sex crimes all
over the United States are literally at the Gates of Hell.
And you talk about how difficult this can be is
extremely difficult. You're talking about a subject matter where you know,
you said, this one rips your heart out law enforcement,
(54:24):
and I know this from my entire team and most
people that I know that get into this, and why
they get passionate about this is because they've been doing
narcotics for so long and you know that they're choosing
that lifestyle, right or crime theft, em bezzling, money, fraud,
you know, it's somebody saying like I want to steal
that person's money or whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (54:45):
These are innocent children. They're not just innocent, they're actually children.
Speaker 4 (54:49):
They didn't choose this, and that adds an completely.
Speaker 3 (54:53):
Different element to this, to this crime, you know.
Speaker 4 (54:56):
And you're not talking about like, oh my purse got
robbed and now I got to go get a new
ID and I'll get through this in the next thirty days.
You're talking about my life has been changed and this
healing could potentially be long term for many years to come.
It's not fair, it's complete injustice. It's it's sad that
(55:19):
it's happening. But that is why law enforcement loves to do.
They would retire. I've heard it so many times. If
I can retire right now, just do just this, I
would because it's so important to them too.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
It's different.
Speaker 4 (55:33):
This is different when you're dealing with, like we're talking
about that sense of wonder, that innate goodness inside of
a human life that goes away because at some point
the harsh realities of the world take over and they
start seeing the immoral world that we live in, and
it slowly fades away. But how long can we preserve that?
(55:55):
That's part of our mission. Preserving the innocence of children,
you know, like preserve in the Grand Canyons. Great, but
I want to preserve a future of America. I want
to preserve that innocence. And let's stop the darkness from spreading.
Because once the child is abused or they're manipulated to
say that at eight years old having sex is normal,
(56:17):
they start doing it to other children that are eight
or nine or six, and then they start doing it
and it becomes it just starts to spread this darkness
like literally an infection.
Speaker 1 (56:28):
I encourage everyone to have these conversations in your social
circles with your friends. But thank you so much, and
I will absolutely be supporting you guys and promoting you
guys all year because we absolutely believe in what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
Thank you, Nate, fire Eyes Media
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