May 8, 2025 • 35 mins
Weekly Dispatch | Jules & Jen: Behind the Scenes | May 09, 2025 Jules & Jen sit down together and share behind the scenes updates on current in-production podcasts, our network progress, and upcoming events! Join us in this casual episode and let us take you a bit behind the scenes as podcast producers. xox Jules & Jen
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Speaker 2 (01:04):
Do you copy over? Hey everybody, It's Jewels and Jen
from True Crime and Headlines, And this weekly Dispatch episode
is going to be a little bit different because.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Surprise we're together.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
We thought today we would would hop on and instead
of giving the headline news, we just wanted to kind
of chat with you guys. Hi, We're glad you're here. Hi,
thank you for listening to true coming headlines. I know
that you have stayed with us through all our ebbs
and flows and changes, and we appreciate you so so much.
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Jen and I need to tell you a little bit
about what's going on with Fireeyes Media. But we created
a network, Fire Eyes Media, LLC, and Jen and I
are both the co founders of it, and we're really
proud of it because we are victim centered and advocacy
focused and what that means to us is no matter
how we operated before, we are always dedicated to learning
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how to do better, how to be better, and how
to change and put some affect into this space so
that we can make it a safer place to tell
these stories because it is kind of a weird line
of entertainment, consumption and advocacy efforts with us. So with
Fire Eyes, we have done a lot of stuff behind
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the scenes, and Jen, would you like to share.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
So we have a lot of amazing things happening behind
the scenes at Fire Eyes Media, Let's start with the
podcasts that are currently in production, because we have a few.
So we are currently working with Momcast Productions, which are
lovely friends at Like Motherlike Murder, Rachel and Heather, and
they're helping us produce Yes, Hey Girl, Hey, Hey Girls.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
They're helping us produce season two of Missing in Hush Town,
and we are covering the case of Bethany Markowski.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So for those of you that are still unfamiliar with
the Bethany Markowski case, Bethany Markowski was only eleven years
old when she allegedly disappeared from a Jackson, Tennessee, shopping
mall on March fourth, in two thousand and one, when
she was in the custody of her father, Larry Markowski. Now,
for the last few decades, he has sworn that he
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let her walk into the Jackson, Tennessee shopping mall and
he took a nap because he was exhausted in his van,
and when he woke up, she still had not returned
and he could not find her. We are looking to
the suspicious circumstances surrounding this and we have been working
really hard behind the scenes. So Jen and I today
had an interview with one of Bethany's cousins today, and
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I will say, and you've probably noticed this too, Jen,
each interview we do, it's all very similar the things
they say. But it's also each interview they give us
a little extra nugget to use in a little breadcrumb.
They don't even know they're doing it, but they give us.
They're piecing together this puzzle. And I think it's The
interview that we had today was one of Bethany's cousins,
Sarah Lynn, and she said it best. She said, it's
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been so hush hush in our family. We don't talk
about this, and so having everybody come forward and talk
about it. On the producer side, we're piecing it together.
And they've never all sat down together and pieced it together.
So when they hear this podcast, they're going to hear
it all together for the first time. It's going to
be really interesting what comes out of it, their opinions
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and their theories after they hear everything.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I love the analogy of like piecing things together. If
you know me, if you've been following me, everyone that's
tuning in and listening right now, you know that I
love me a good puzzle analogy, because that's really what
we do, especially on these long form investigative podcasts. Every
little piece that we get is like a puzzle piece,
and we have to take a step back, look at
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all the pieces, gather all the pieces, do all of
our research, put everything together, and then at the end
we present this completed or as much as we can complete.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
It puzzle to you all.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
And so it is really interesting with Bethany's case, because
you're right, we absolutely do every single interview get another
little nugget that is really helpful in putting that picture together.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So and it's interesting to hop on that in our
interview today. One thing that we took away from it
was we have a location that we want to go
take cadaver do to, and we have a location that
we want to go bring the team of dogs to,
professionally trained cadaver dogs and use our resources that we
have available to us and at least attempt at least
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try to search in every aspect that we can not
just digitally. For Bethany Markowski, not just follow the theories
in the rumors, but the boots on the ground, and
if we have a location that a family member may
or may not have a feeling about Okay, let's go
check it out. Let's let's go do it. We're going
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to go out to Jackson, Tennessee anyway as a group
because many of you might not know, but we're hoping
to turn season two into a documentary series for a
streaming platform as well. So we've been doing a lot
of fielding behind the scenes, so we want to go
out there, bring the whole production team out there with
Bethany Markowski's mother, Johnny Carter, and go to these locations
ourselves and see what there is. But there's so many
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moving pieces with that that I'm already on it. I'm
already writing all these notes like how do I get
this to get into motion? How do we get this
ball rolling? Because I can't. We can't just sit here
and not actually do the aption. I know, like a
lot of podcasts, we're going to tell the story, but
know like on our end, when we can get out
there and get boots on the ground and be in
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the field, We're going to go be in the field
and do that exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
And I think that's what makes Fire Eyes different. I
think there's a lot of different components that make Fire
Eyes different. But one of the biggest things is on
top of being very victim centered and victim focused, is
that we do things differently. We do things in a
way where we are boots on the ground when we
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actually when we say we're boosts on the ground, we
genuinely mean it, like we mean we're going to these locations,
we mean that we're talking to certain people. So that's
another thing that makes these podcasts so impactful that we're
doing because not only are we doing that, but then
we're also partnering with other really amazing podcasters who are
just as passionate as we are. And you know, obviously
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four people are better than two. You know, two people
are better than one. So if we can get more
than one person, more than two people working on a case,
it brings more eyes, it brings uh more you know, intelligence. Really,
we have really intellectual people that are working on these
cases with us who can maybe spot something that we're missing.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
You just never know.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
But if your group girls are sharp, Heather and Rachel
are so sharp, they're so educated, they're so passionate. If
you've not, let not yet heard of them or listened
to any other podcasts they have like mother, like murder
and we absolutely adore these girls. They are absolutely just
fierce women. And I will say coming from Missing and
Hushtown season one, where I did over ninety percent of
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that production, Jen came in and helped me with a
few of the episodes at the end of the post
and saved my butt all that because we moved the
data up four months for production and if you listen
to season one you'll hear also and thank you Jen
Rivera because oh God bless you. But doing most of
that on the production side solo, it was it. I
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mean it was it was a time that was had,
that I had, that I was able to do that
and all the support from everybody to do that. But
now Jen, I know even with your case Uncovered, your
long form and The Unseen Truth, your other short form
investigative podcast you you guys haven't listened Go Bay. Those
are so bingeable and they're very well done. If you
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didn't know, Jen is an investigative journalist, so she's got
that going for her and you're welcome, You're amazing. But
we are now able to take on other podcasters and
mentor them in how to do a long form podcast
by Jen and I learned how to do it while
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doing it, and she did hers on her own and
I did mine on my own, and now we're doing
them together and it's been a really cool experience because
that's kind of the cornerstone of us too. It's you know,
we always want to help her the case. We always
want to advocate victim first, but also community over competition,
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because this space, like with podcasting, it is growing so rapidly,
and I think, you know, every day there's ten new
true crime podcasts that pop up, and most of them
will quit within a year, and that statistic is really sad.
And so I look at that my well, how can
we make this a more welcoming space. I let me
not gig, keep what we've learned. Let me help you
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and teach you and get more content out there, because
there's nobody who should be gatekeeping justice for victims. Nobody.
I think that's asinine and I've never operated like that.
Maybe I'm just a girl scout forever, but I really
feel like we need to help each other and teach
each other. And we're lucky that we get the smartest,
the smartest girls of the smart girl. So that's that's
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that one, and today, we actually Jen and I we
pinned down a date but we won't share that yet.
But for release date, we're crazy for season two, but
I will say it'll be before twenty twenty five is over.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Absolutely absolutely, and it's it is super wild, you know.
I just want to say that I'm really really grateful
that I get the opportunity to work with you jewels,
and to have done an accomplished, to have done have
accomplished everything we have in such a short amount of
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time together.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And I think.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Really a lot of that is because we both get
questions all the time, like how how do we do it?
How are we doing this so fast? How did we
get to ABC and D so fast? And really the
truth is it's passion. We are super passionate. We will go, go, go,
go go, and sometimes we have to remind ourselves about
boundaries and about you know, setting those boundaries, healthy boundaries
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for ourselves and our families. But that's really what it is.
We're so driven and we're so passionate that we just
do it, and we do.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
We are.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Fire Eyes Media is a network really like no other because,
like Jules was saying, I just want to touch on
this is that We genuinely want to not only bring
ethical stories to light, but we want to educate other podcasters.
We want to bring those that are passionate about advocacy
and bring justice to victims under our wing as well,
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who have the same mission as we do, and to
teach them how to of course be successful with their podcast,
because that's a lot of them want to do this
full time like we do, but to do it the
right way, to do it ethically, and to make a
difference for these families because so many families have secondary trauma.
They have so many things that they have to deal
with because they have to drudge up all of these
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incredibly difficult emotions and memories to go through this with us,
which we appreciate so much. But at the end of
the days, we all have the same goal in the
same mission. Like you said, Jules, just to touch on that.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
When I started Truth Coming Headlines a few years ago,
I don't think I was being the best advocate. I
wasn't doing the best or being the best that I
could be. And I'm still not doing the best and
being the best I can be. But what I'm learning
through immersing myself in this community, there are so many
tools and resources for true crime content creators, investigative reporters,
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podcasters to learn from. Like, for example, I'm in the
National Organization of Victim Advocacy training course because I want
to become a credentialed victim advocate and I'm learning so much.
For example, Let's say we had an episode on the
BTK serial Killer, which we did a few years ago,
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and I had a photo of the BTK killer and
then there were all as victims on the same slide,
And I have since learned that that is very triggering,
that is very inappropriate. Don't put the murderer on the
same slide as the victims. You know, you have to
think in terms of respect for that family and for
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the people that we'll still see it. And it's just
little things like that where we take away and then
we teach our network and just hope to have that
little ripple effect. But if you're interested anybody, it's NOVA
National Organization of Victim Advocacy and we're learning so much
through through that. I think everybody should probably go in there.
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But yeah, I mean I was not the best in
the beginning, but trying to do better and be better here.
So with Hushtown season two. That's kind of where we're
going with that too. And then we have another long
form podcast called Secrets Beyond the Sacramento River. So Jeff
Anderson died under what we believe our suspicious circumstances in
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September of twenty twenty three, So we're coming up this
September on two years, and we are working with his
sister Candy, and we are trying really really hard to
tell this holistic story and to really show that this
case should have been a criminal investigation and it was not.
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There are circumstances about this which are absolutely bizarre, But
the one that is pulling us back every single time
was Jeff Anderson's body in his car were retrieved from
the bottom of the Sacramento River after four four and
a half days of his car rolling into the water,
which they knew his car was in there. Yeah, it
still took that many days for the cravery efforts, and
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there is something so unsettling about that that Jen and
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I are like, Okay, we have to, we have to
look into this. We have to.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
And just as a side note, just because I know
a lot of people might be like, well, most cars
nowadays have the button start.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
This was not a button start car.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
This was one just one of your older versions, one
of your older models where you actually had to put
the key in the ignition in order to start it.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
So yep, which is a very crucial piece of it.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I'm glad you brought that up because a lot of people,
a lot of people come come at me about that one. Well,
push start, no, ma'am, No, sir, Absolutely, it was not
a push start. And another thing which is very bizarre,
Jeff's cell phone was never recovered. However, per his location
services from his Google mapping, which we have access to
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and we have all that data, his cell phone kept
traveling after his car rolled into the Sacramento River, his
cell phone kept traveling down the road and it ended
at a known associates home, which we know that because
we know the address of word ended at and we
know how to look up who owns that address exactly.
So there's a lot of weird stuff going on and
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a lot of corruption that we're seeing going on in Sacramento.
So we're we're going to do that, and we do
have a release date, John, you want to share that
release date absolutely.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
That release date is September third of this year, twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And what happens on September fourth is I get my
happy butt in a car with Casey Wis and we
go and we pick up Rachel first and Canucky and
then well no because Rachel's first in Kentucky, and then
you and Illinoy I know, and then we drive to
Colorado because we have Crime Con that week. We're crazy,
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so we're yeah, we're having this podcast come out two
three days before Crime Con Denver, which we have a
booth and Creator Roe for and it's it's pretty wild.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
It's wild.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Like, let's let's talk about that for a second, though,
because one thing I want to say is if you're
a fellow podcaster that's listening, even if you're not, even
if you're just one of our fellow awesome true crime
and headlines listeners and you've been following the journey, please
please please celebrate your wins. It's so important. Even for us,
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we just get so consumed in what we're doing in
our investigations, in our podcasts, in our podcasters, that we
don't always sit back and like stew in our accomplishments
and how far we've come and such a short amount
of time. So it's it's really incredible. But Creator Row
being asked to come on, Creator row Is. It literally
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is like a dream come true for us, and we're
still a little in shock. It's really exciting though, And
on top of that, we have to shout out our
amazing team. So we have been growing Fire Eyes Media
with some incredible women who are again just some passionate,
super super smart women in this industry. We have Rose
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who are is our new media operations manager. She's phenomenal.
We have Kate who is now our new investigative researcher.
So we just continue to expand our team and we're
just we're so incredibly grateful. But they're going to be
joining us at crime Con Denver as well, so they'll
be like, in what do we how do we want
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to s say it? They'll be like, they'll be the
boots on the ground basically.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
They'll be like this, Yeah, the street team at crime Con,
the crime Con street team giving away things to attendees. Now,
this crime Con in Denver is huge. I think they're
predicting upwards to seven thousand attendees.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
We will be there.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
If you plan on going to crime Con Denver, definitely
come and visit our booth, Come say hi.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
We will be there.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Very excited, can't wait, but definitely stay tuned with the podcast.
Obviously we'll be releasing when Missing in Hushtoon season two
comes out soon, so definitely make sure if you're interested
in following along that. If you're not already following by
your eyes media LLC handle on Instagram, make sure you do.
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And then on top of that, what else, what else
do we want to I wanted to talk?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Well, we've got our podcasters give Back a series which
is quarterly, so there are four a year pretty much
four in a season, and we've had to already, so
it's called you should be here and you can subscribe
wherever you get your podcasts. Just type and you should
be here. And so far we've had the Homicide Tree
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around Christmas time, and then we had or No that
was around Valentine's Day like chickiss or No, and then
coming up we have Death Not Yet, which are stories
of survivors and that comes out this July around the
Freedom Freedom time, and then we have Cases which Haunt Us,
which comes out in October. And each each series that
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we do of this gives one hundred percent of anything
raised and earned back to a nonprofit and typically it
relates to that series and their theme. So the Homicide
Tree went to our Shores of Strength nonprofit to help
families navigate, especially through holidays, how to how to get
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out there and navigate the unknown after somebody dies that
you love and then or Nooh is going to after
hours of ministry who works? They are a nonprofit out
in California and Los Angeles, specifically around skidraw which work
to help women and sex trafficking out there and to
help them stay safe and find a place to be safe.
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Speaker 3 (23:24):
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Speaker 2 (23:27):
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Speaker 4 (23:28):
We're not sharing this stuff to again pat ourselves on
the back because we have the time. We don't even
sit here and acknowledge our accomplishments. It's something we need
to do better at because we're always looking at, oh,
well we could have done better, you know. But we
really want it to be known that if this is
something you wanted to do, or even if it's not
in podcasting, like go for your dreams, you can literally
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do anything you can.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
You can at any age too. I'm forty, Yes you're not.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
So.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I just turned thirty eight, I mean literally two years apart.
But even for me.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Like I have a different story than Jules, like I did,
I came from the corporate world. I did have some
podcasting experience only because I had to learn myself and
I was helping other entrepreneurs and other businesses. I have
a background in marketing, communications and journalism, and I worked
my way up the corporate ladder over many years, like
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had really high positions like managing teams and doing all
of the things for companies building up their businesses, and
I just was not fulfilled, Like I was not happy
in my role.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I made a very.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Good living, like don't get me wrong, but it was
so unstable because of the industry. So it's like one
minute I could be making a lot of money. In
the next minute, I could be getting paid off because
the company lost a big client and that was the
end of it.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
But I just wasn't fulfilled.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
And as someone who's a service I'm a sexual assault survivor,
I knew that this was an area that I wanted
to be in, whether it was just a hobby or
passion project, I wanted to make a difference. And I'm like,
you know what. One day, I was just like, h
that's it. I'm gonna I'm gonna go all in.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
It is what it is.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I'm going to go all in and I'm not going
to turn back. And the rest is history. And here
we are. So it's it's been an amazing journey and
we're still we still have.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I hopped on the plane to Iceland and then hop
over to London, for the UK.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, that's incredible, So we're super excited.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Fire Eyes is up for Podcast Rookie of the Year.
I submitted and we got we got selected for the
finals list. They call it the short list, and so
I'm up against three other great podcasters. I've connected with
them on LinkedIn and social media, and I'm excited to go.
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I know that we've asked people to also vote for
us for Listener's Choice and in uh our. I think
we have links for that on my Instagram at your
host Jules, but I feel like that one typically it
goes to really really big followings, but I just thought, hey,
why not at least put it out there because I
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really feel like you have to believe in you so
hard that people around you don't really have a choice.
And it's not just me, like I have to believe
that this Wix case is solvable, that the girls can
come home, and I have to believe it so much
that it's contagious to tell the story and get it
out there. Which is so exciting that they crime con
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Denver agreed to get the wish to give the Wis
family a ticket, and Casey's coming too, So I'm so
excited y'all have to meet Casey. She's she's my sister.
At this point, her mom calls me her their daughter,
which is so sweet.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
I got to meet them at Advocacy Cohn and it
was incredible.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I have a booth at Crime con UK. I hope
that that brings about some more listeners to help us
push all these cases because we need all the help
we can. Kids.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
We do, we do, and you know, thank you all
for listening to like this chit chatty episode. We know
this is very different than the normal dynamic that we've done.
We're just we're so excited to be able to get
on together. We just we have the opportunity to do
a special episode for you all and just kind of
share a little bit of background since I came on
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board and where we're at and everything we're doing with
fire Eyes that it's there's just so much exciting stuff happening,
and we just want to thank you for being here
and being along for the ride, and thank you for
welcoming me with open arms. That means like the world
to me. I'm so glad that you all are just
you're amazing and welcoming me on to true cremin headlines
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and not saying like get rid of this chick, you know,
kicking me off, like kicking me off to the curb.
So I just really appreciate you all, But we would
love to do more of these episodes. We're hoping now
that we're getting like a team established and getting things
a little more structured and organized, so Jules and I
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have more free time to actually record together, that we
can do that, and yeah, I don't know, maybe even
do some more episodes like this where it's like maybe
some question like Q and A's or you know, if
anyone's curious on what goes on behind the scenes when
we're doing like some of these investigations, or even working
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with families on some of these episodes, because there's a
lot that goes into it that you don't see. You know,
you only get to hear the outcome of the episode,
but so much goes into it, and it's it's important.
I think it's really important to bring awareness and shed
light on that.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
GAT and I do think too, like the sacrifice that
the families make in their own mental health space to
advocate for their loved one is heroic. And we are
so congniostant that we are asking somebody to retell and
retell and retell their story. And that's why we're trying
really hard to lead by a better example, even a
(29:23):
better example from how we used to do things, and
how to change this. You know, it's interesting because I
know that events like crime Con or controversial for some
because people think that that should not be a place
where you go for entertainment. But having gone there and
I learned so much at the Nashville one, it was
(29:43):
like my university. I made connections which connected me to
people with ground penetrating radar for actual cases, with cadaver dogs,
with nonprofits, with podcasts that told my story which have
bigger audiences. They shared the wig story. It's incredible the
connections that we made with people who genuinely, genuinely truly
(30:06):
care about victims, and the amount of families that I
met there as well. We've still been covering cases that
we learned about from crime Con, like Britney Phillips. We
met her mom, doctor Maggie, at crime Con and I
covered her case on you should be here, and I'm
still friends with her and she's going to be at
crime Con and have a booth again. And I said,
(30:27):
I cannot wait to hug your neck because she's amazing.
She drives a van across America caravan to ketch a
killer to bring awareness about her daughter's unsolved murder. And
Jason Landry, we met his family at the booth there
at Crime Con and talked with him for quite a
long time. And there were representatives there of missing and
(30:51):
murdered Indigenous women there. They're advocacy groups there. So yeah,
I mean, Jason Landry, you covered his case where you
should be here as well, and we continue to use
these cases that we see in person. So victim families
that go, it is a great resource to you because
there are a lot of people who want to help
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you there.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
It really is, and so that's why we go. That's
why we believe in it because we've we've physically gone
and we've seen the outcome and what it's done for
the families we've personally worked with and the families that
are there. There are lots of families that attend that
are looking for help, that are looking for answers. So
I think it's it's just you know, again, like Joel said,
(31:35):
we know that it's controversial, but you have to look
at the bigger picture and how that's helping these families,
And that's always our goal.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Our goal is always to help these.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Families, even down to the fact that we're like for us,
taking that extra step with not only doing better and
growing and learning and getting credentialed, like Joel said, she's
getting she's becoming a credentialed advocate. I'm a certified grief coach.
I just went through a certification for that. But continuing
education and learning and becoming better, but also how can
(32:07):
we help these families besides just sharing their story, because
for us, it doesn't just end after we share their story.
They literally become like our family that we keep in
touch with them, and any way that we can help them,
we do. That's why I started Shores of Strength. So
if they need anything that I can provide from my
experience or that Jewels can provide, we can do that.
(32:28):
There's other things that I have in the works that
are just to help any way that we can. From
that perspective, which again is what makes our network so
unique because we not only tell the stories and we
do the podcast production, but we continue on that and
we are so big into the advocacy part of it.
And it's all aspects of advocacy. It's like, how can
(32:51):
we help spread awareness, how can we help with mental wellness?
How can we help not continue to traumatize you but
try to just help you in the way that you
need the help. Oh, you can catch Jewels at your
host Jewels. You can catch me at general ver Investigates
on Instagram. And then if you want to follow along
(33:12):
with Fire Eyes and learn all about the podcast and
everything we're about to launch and have launched already, and
keep up with the podcast in general, go and follow
Fireeyes Media LC on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
It's about to get crazy around here, and we want
to tell your guys along the whole journey. And we
love to be very, very transparent with our journey in
the burnout because that does happen, and just the boundaries
and taking care of ourselves too, and then you know,
growing so rapidly, how do we take care of ourselves
with all the different heads that we're wearing. But we're
(33:47):
learning that it's okay to be vulnerable and open about
this side of it too because we matter too. Like
this it matters, and we have to take care of
ourselves too. And this space is really it's a good
space to be in to advocate. We have a great
listener base, we have a great community here, and we
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know so many of you guys will see you are
victims yourselves.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Well.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Thank you all so much for joining us for today's
chatty and special episode with Jules and I, and we
will catch it in the next one. And then remember
you're wanted, you're loved, and you deserve to be here.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
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Speaker 2 (01:04):
Do you copy over? Hey everybody, It's Jewels and Jen
from True Crime and Headlines, And this weekly Dispatch episode
is going to be a little bit different because.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Surprise we're together.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
We thought today we would would hop on and instead
of giving the headline news, we just wanted to kind
of chat with you guys. Hi, We're glad you're here. Hi,
thank you for listening to true coming headlines. I know
that you have stayed with us through all our ebbs
and flows and changes, and we appreciate you so so much.
(01:44):
Jen and I need to tell you a little bit
about what's going on with Fireeyes Media. But we created
a network, Fire Eyes Media, LLC, and Jen and I
are both the co founders of it, and we're really
proud of it because we are victim centered and advocacy
focused and what that means to us is no matter
how we operated before, we are always dedicated to learning
(02:04):
how to do better, how to be better, and how
to change and put some affect into this space so
that we can make it a safer place to tell
these stories because it is kind of a weird line
of entertainment, consumption and advocacy efforts with us. So with
Fire Eyes, we have done a lot of stuff behind
(02:27):
the scenes, and Jen, would you like to share.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
So we have a lot of amazing things happening behind
the scenes at Fire Eyes Media, Let's start with the
podcasts that are currently in production, because we have a few.
So we are currently working with Momcast Productions, which are
lovely friends at Like Motherlike Murder, Rachel and Heather, and
they're helping us produce Yes, Hey Girl, Hey, Hey Girls.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
They're helping us produce season two of Missing in Hush Town,
and we are covering the case of Bethany Markowski.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So for those of you that are still unfamiliar with
the Bethany Markowski case, Bethany Markowski was only eleven years
old when she allegedly disappeared from a Jackson, Tennessee, shopping
mall on March fourth, in two thousand and one, when
she was in the custody of her father, Larry Markowski. Now,
for the last few decades, he has sworn that he
(03:22):
let her walk into the Jackson, Tennessee shopping mall and
he took a nap because he was exhausted in his van,
and when he woke up, she still had not returned
and he could not find her. We are looking to
the suspicious circumstances surrounding this and we have been working
really hard behind the scenes. So Jen and I today
had an interview with one of Bethany's cousins today, and
(03:42):
I will say, and you've probably noticed this too, Jen,
each interview we do, it's all very similar the things
they say. But it's also each interview they give us
a little extra nugget to use in a little breadcrumb.
They don't even know they're doing it, but they give us.
They're piecing together this puzzle. And I think it's The
interview that we had today was one of Bethany's cousins,
Sarah Lynn, and she said it best. She said, it's
(04:04):
been so hush hush in our family. We don't talk
about this, and so having everybody come forward and talk
about it. On the producer side, we're piecing it together.
And they've never all sat down together and pieced it together.
So when they hear this podcast, they're going to hear
it all together for the first time. It's going to
be really interesting what comes out of it, their opinions
(04:25):
and their theories after they hear everything.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I love the analogy of like piecing things together. If
you know me, if you've been following me, everyone that's
tuning in and listening right now, you know that I
love me a good puzzle analogy, because that's really what
we do, especially on these long form investigative podcasts. Every
little piece that we get is like a puzzle piece,
and we have to take a step back, look at
(04:50):
all the pieces, gather all the pieces, do all of
our research, put everything together, and then at the end
we present this completed or as much as we can complete.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
It puzzle to you all.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
And so it is really interesting with Bethany's case, because
you're right, we absolutely do every single interview get another
little nugget that is really helpful in putting that picture together.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So and it's interesting to hop on that in our
interview today. One thing that we took away from it
was we have a location that we want to go
take cadaver do to, and we have a location that
we want to go bring the team of dogs to,
professionally trained cadaver dogs and use our resources that we
have available to us and at least attempt at least
(05:40):
try to search in every aspect that we can not
just digitally. For Bethany Markowski, not just follow the theories
in the rumors, but the boots on the ground, and
if we have a location that a family member may
or may not have a feeling about Okay, let's go
check it out. Let's let's go do it. We're going
(06:01):
to go out to Jackson, Tennessee anyway as a group
because many of you might not know, but we're hoping
to turn season two into a documentary series for a
streaming platform as well. So we've been doing a lot
of fielding behind the scenes, so we want to go
out there, bring the whole production team out there with
Bethany Markowski's mother, Johnny Carter, and go to these locations
ourselves and see what there is. But there's so many
(06:23):
moving pieces with that that I'm already on it. I'm
already writing all these notes like how do I get
this to get into motion? How do we get this
ball rolling? Because I can't. We can't just sit here
and not actually do the aption. I know, like a
lot of podcasts, we're going to tell the story, but
know like on our end, when we can get out
there and get boots on the ground and be in
(06:45):
the field, We're going to go be in the field
and do that exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
And I think that's what makes Fire Eyes different. I
think there's a lot of different components that make Fire
Eyes different. But one of the biggest things is on
top of being very victim centered and victim focused, is
that we do things differently. We do things in a
way where we are boots on the ground when we
(07:12):
actually when we say we're boosts on the ground, we
genuinely mean it, like we mean we're going to these locations,
we mean that we're talking to certain people. So that's
another thing that makes these podcasts so impactful that we're
doing because not only are we doing that, but then
we're also partnering with other really amazing podcasters who are
just as passionate as we are. And you know, obviously
(07:35):
four people are better than two. You know, two people
are better than one. So if we can get more
than one person, more than two people working on a case,
it brings more eyes, it brings uh more you know, intelligence. Really,
we have really intellectual people that are working on these
cases with us who can maybe spot something that we're missing.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
You just never know.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
But if your group girls are sharp, Heather and Rachel
are so sharp, they're so educated, they're so passionate. If
you've not, let not yet heard of them or listened
to any other podcasts they have like mother, like murder
and we absolutely adore these girls. They are absolutely just
fierce women. And I will say coming from Missing and
Hushtown season one, where I did over ninety percent of
(08:17):
that production, Jen came in and helped me with a
few of the episodes at the end of the post
and saved my butt all that because we moved the
data up four months for production and if you listen
to season one you'll hear also and thank you Jen
Rivera because oh God bless you. But doing most of
that on the production side solo, it was it. I
(08:40):
mean it was it was a time that was had,
that I had, that I was able to do that
and all the support from everybody to do that. But
now Jen, I know even with your case Uncovered, your
long form and The Unseen Truth, your other short form
investigative podcast you you guys haven't listened Go Bay. Those
are so bingeable and they're very well done. If you
(09:03):
didn't know, Jen is an investigative journalist, so she's got
that going for her and you're welcome, You're amazing. But
we are now able to take on other podcasters and
mentor them in how to do a long form podcast
by Jen and I learned how to do it while
(09:23):
doing it, and she did hers on her own and
I did mine on my own, and now we're doing
them together and it's been a really cool experience because
that's kind of the cornerstone of us too. It's you know,
we always want to help her the case. We always
want to advocate victim first, but also community over competition,
(09:43):
because this space, like with podcasting, it is growing so rapidly,
and I think, you know, every day there's ten new
true crime podcasts that pop up, and most of them
will quit within a year, and that statistic is really sad.
And so I look at that my well, how can
we make this a more welcoming space. I let me
not gig, keep what we've learned. Let me help you
(10:05):
and teach you and get more content out there, because
there's nobody who should be gatekeeping justice for victims. Nobody.
I think that's asinine and I've never operated like that.
Maybe I'm just a girl scout forever, but I really
feel like we need to help each other and teach
each other. And we're lucky that we get the smartest,
the smartest girls of the smart girl. So that's that's
(10:26):
that one, and today, we actually Jen and I we
pinned down a date but we won't share that yet.
But for release date, we're crazy for season two, but
I will say it'll be before twenty twenty five is over.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Absolutely absolutely, and it's it is super wild, you know.
I just want to say that I'm really really grateful
that I get the opportunity to work with you jewels,
and to have done an accomplished, to have done have
accomplished everything we have in such a short amount of
(11:03):
time together.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And I think.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Really a lot of that is because we both get
questions all the time, like how how do we do it?
How are we doing this so fast? How did we
get to ABC and D so fast? And really the
truth is it's passion. We are super passionate. We will go, go, go,
go go, and sometimes we have to remind ourselves about
boundaries and about you know, setting those boundaries, healthy boundaries
(11:30):
for ourselves and our families. But that's really what it is.
We're so driven and we're so passionate that we just
do it, and we do.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
We are.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Fire Eyes Media is a network really like no other because,
like Jules was saying, I just want to touch on
this is that We genuinely want to not only bring
ethical stories to light, but we want to educate other podcasters.
We want to bring those that are passionate about advocacy
and bring justice to victims under our wing as well,
(12:02):
who have the same mission as we do, and to
teach them how to of course be successful with their podcast,
because that's a lot of them want to do this
full time like we do, but to do it the
right way, to do it ethically, and to make a
difference for these families because so many families have secondary trauma.
They have so many things that they have to deal
with because they have to drudge up all of these
(12:23):
incredibly difficult emotions and memories to go through this with us,
which we appreciate so much. But at the end of
the days, we all have the same goal in the
same mission. Like you said, Jules, just to touch on that.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
When I started Truth Coming Headlines a few years ago,
I don't think I was being the best advocate. I
wasn't doing the best or being the best that I
could be. And I'm still not doing the best and
being the best I can be. But what I'm learning
through immersing myself in this community, there are so many
tools and resources for true crime content creators, investigative reporters,
(13:02):
podcasters to learn from. Like, for example, I'm in the
National Organization of Victim Advocacy training course because I want
to become a credentialed victim advocate and I'm learning so much.
For example, Let's say we had an episode on the
BTK serial Killer, which we did a few years ago,
(13:25):
and I had a photo of the BTK killer and
then there were all as victims on the same slide,
And I have since learned that that is very triggering,
that is very inappropriate. Don't put the murderer on the
same slide as the victims. You know, you have to
think in terms of respect for that family and for
(13:46):
the people that we'll still see it. And it's just
little things like that where we take away and then
we teach our network and just hope to have that
little ripple effect. But if you're interested anybody, it's NOVA
National Organization of Victim Advocacy and we're learning so much
through through that. I think everybody should probably go in there.
(14:08):
But yeah, I mean I was not the best in
the beginning, but trying to do better and be better here.
So with Hushtown season two. That's kind of where we're
going with that too. And then we have another long
form podcast called Secrets Beyond the Sacramento River. So Jeff
Anderson died under what we believe our suspicious circumstances in
(14:33):
September of twenty twenty three, So we're coming up this
September on two years, and we are working with his
sister Candy, and we are trying really really hard to
tell this holistic story and to really show that this
case should have been a criminal investigation and it was not.
(14:55):
There are circumstances about this which are absolutely bizarre, But
the one that is pulling us back every single time
was Jeff Anderson's body in his car were retrieved from
the bottom of the Sacramento River after four four and
a half days of his car rolling into the water,
which they knew his car was in there. Yeah, it
still took that many days for the cravery efforts, and
(15:18):
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there is something so unsettling about that that Jen and
(16:23):
I are like, Okay, we have to, we have to
look into this. We have to.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
And just as a side note, just because I know
a lot of people might be like, well, most cars
nowadays have the button start.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
This was not a button start car.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
This was one just one of your older versions, one
of your older models where you actually had to put
the key in the ignition in order to start it.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
So yep, which is a very crucial piece of it.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I'm glad you brought that up because a lot of people,
a lot of people come come at me about that one. Well,
push start, no, ma'am, No, sir, Absolutely, it was not
a push start. And another thing which is very bizarre,
Jeff's cell phone was never recovered. However, per his location
services from his Google mapping, which we have access to
(17:11):
and we have all that data, his cell phone kept
traveling after his car rolled into the Sacramento River, his
cell phone kept traveling down the road and it ended
at a known associates home, which we know that because
we know the address of word ended at and we
know how to look up who owns that address exactly.
So there's a lot of weird stuff going on and
(17:33):
a lot of corruption that we're seeing going on in Sacramento.
So we're we're going to do that, and we do
have a release date, John, you want to share that
release date absolutely.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
That release date is September third of this year, twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And what happens on September fourth is I get my
happy butt in a car with Casey Wis and we
go and we pick up Rachel first and Canucky and
then well no because Rachel's first in Kentucky, and then
you and Illinoy I know, and then we drive to
Colorado because we have Crime Con that week. We're crazy,
(18:11):
so we're yeah, we're having this podcast come out two
three days before Crime Con Denver, which we have a
booth and Creator Roe for and it's it's pretty wild.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
It's wild.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Like, let's let's talk about that for a second, though,
because one thing I want to say is if you're
a fellow podcaster that's listening, even if you're not, even
if you're just one of our fellow awesome true crime
and headlines listeners and you've been following the journey, please
please please celebrate your wins. It's so important. Even for us,
(18:49):
we just get so consumed in what we're doing in
our investigations, in our podcasts, in our podcasters, that we
don't always sit back and like stew in our accomplishments
and how far we've come and such a short amount
of time. So it's it's really incredible. But Creator Row
being asked to come on, Creator row Is. It literally
(19:14):
is like a dream come true for us, and we're
still a little in shock. It's really exciting though, And
on top of that, we have to shout out our
amazing team. So we have been growing Fire Eyes Media
with some incredible women who are again just some passionate,
super super smart women in this industry. We have Rose
(19:38):
who are is our new media operations manager. She's phenomenal.
We have Kate who is now our new investigative researcher.
So we just continue to expand our team and we're
just we're so incredibly grateful. But they're going to be
joining us at crime Con Denver as well, so they'll
be like, in what do we how do we want
(19:59):
to s say it? They'll be like, they'll be the
boots on the ground basically.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
They'll be like this, Yeah, the street team at crime Con,
the crime Con street team giving away things to attendees. Now,
this crime Con in Denver is huge. I think they're
predicting upwards to seven thousand attendees.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
We will be there.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
If you plan on going to crime Con Denver, definitely
come and visit our booth, Come say hi.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
We will be there.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Very excited, can't wait, but definitely stay tuned with the podcast.
Obviously we'll be releasing when Missing in Hushtoon season two
comes out soon, so definitely make sure if you're interested
in following along that. If you're not already following by
your eyes media LLC handle on Instagram, make sure you do.
(20:43):
And then on top of that, what else, what else
do we want to I wanted to talk?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Well, we've got our podcasters give Back a series which
is quarterly, so there are four a year pretty much
four in a season, and we've had to already, so
it's called you should be here and you can subscribe
wherever you get your podcasts. Just type and you should
be here. And so far we've had the Homicide Tree
(21:09):
around Christmas time, and then we had or No that
was around Valentine's Day like chickiss or No, and then
coming up we have Death Not Yet, which are stories
of survivors and that comes out this July around the
Freedom Freedom time, and then we have Cases which Haunt Us,
which comes out in October. And each each series that
(21:31):
we do of this gives one hundred percent of anything
raised and earned back to a nonprofit and typically it
relates to that series and their theme. So the Homicide
Tree went to our Shores of Strength nonprofit to help
families navigate, especially through holidays, how to how to get
(21:54):
out there and navigate the unknown after somebody dies that
you love and then or Nooh is going to after
hours of ministry who works? They are a nonprofit out
in California and Los Angeles, specifically around skidraw which work
to help women and sex trafficking out there and to
help them stay safe and find a place to be safe.
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Speaker 4 (23:28):
We're not sharing this stuff to again pat ourselves on
the back because we have the time. We don't even
sit here and acknowledge our accomplishments. It's something we need
to do better at because we're always looking at, oh,
well we could have done better, you know. But we
really want it to be known that if this is
something you wanted to do, or even if it's not
in podcasting, like go for your dreams, you can literally
(23:52):
do anything you can.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
You can at any age too. I'm forty, Yes you're not.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
So.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I just turned thirty eight, I mean literally two years apart.
But even for me.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Like I have a different story than Jules, like I did,
I came from the corporate world. I did have some
podcasting experience only because I had to learn myself and
I was helping other entrepreneurs and other businesses. I have
a background in marketing, communications and journalism, and I worked
my way up the corporate ladder over many years, like
(24:26):
had really high positions like managing teams and doing all
of the things for companies building up their businesses, and
I just was not fulfilled, Like I was not happy
in my role.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I made a very.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Good living, like don't get me wrong, but it was
so unstable because of the industry. So it's like one
minute I could be making a lot of money. In
the next minute, I could be getting paid off because
the company lost a big client and that was the
end of it.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
But I just wasn't fulfilled.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
And as someone who's a service I'm a sexual assault survivor,
I knew that this was an area that I wanted
to be in, whether it was just a hobby or
passion project, I wanted to make a difference. And I'm like,
you know what. One day, I was just like, h
that's it. I'm gonna I'm gonna go all in.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
It is what it is.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I'm going to go all in and I'm not going
to turn back. And the rest is history. And here
we are. So it's it's been an amazing journey and
we're still we still have.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I hopped on the plane to Iceland and then hop
over to London, for the UK.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, that's incredible, So we're super excited.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Fire Eyes is up for Podcast Rookie of the Year.
I submitted and we got we got selected for the
finals list. They call it the short list, and so
I'm up against three other great podcasters. I've connected with
them on LinkedIn and social media, and I'm excited to go.
(25:59):
I know that we've asked people to also vote for
us for Listener's Choice and in uh our. I think
we have links for that on my Instagram at your
host Jules, but I feel like that one typically it
goes to really really big followings, but I just thought, hey,
why not at least put it out there because I
(26:19):
really feel like you have to believe in you so
hard that people around you don't really have a choice.
And it's not just me, like I have to believe
that this Wix case is solvable, that the girls can
come home, and I have to believe it so much
that it's contagious to tell the story and get it
out there. Which is so exciting that they crime con
(26:42):
Denver agreed to get the wish to give the Wis
family a ticket, and Casey's coming too, So I'm so
excited y'all have to meet Casey. She's she's my sister.
At this point, her mom calls me her their daughter,
which is so sweet.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
I got to meet them at Advocacy Cohn and it
was incredible.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I have a booth at Crime con UK. I hope
that that brings about some more listeners to help us
push all these cases because we need all the help
we can. Kids.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
We do, we do, and you know, thank you all
for listening to like this chit chatty episode. We know
this is very different than the normal dynamic that we've done.
We're just we're so excited to be able to get
on together. We just we have the opportunity to do
a special episode for you all and just kind of
share a little bit of background since I came on
(27:40):
board and where we're at and everything we're doing with
fire Eyes that it's there's just so much exciting stuff happening,
and we just want to thank you for being here
and being along for the ride, and thank you for
welcoming me with open arms. That means like the world
to me. I'm so glad that you all are just
you're amazing and welcoming me on to true cremin headlines
(28:02):
and not saying like get rid of this chick, you know,
kicking me off, like kicking me off to the curb.
So I just really appreciate you all, But we would
love to do more of these episodes. We're hoping now
that we're getting like a team established and getting things
a little more structured and organized, so Jules and I
(28:23):
have more free time to actually record together, that we
can do that, and yeah, I don't know, maybe even
do some more episodes like this where it's like maybe
some question like Q and A's or you know, if
anyone's curious on what goes on behind the scenes when
we're doing like some of these investigations, or even working
(28:44):
with families on some of these episodes, because there's a
lot that goes into it that you don't see. You know,
you only get to hear the outcome of the episode,
but so much goes into it, and it's it's important.
I think it's really important to bring awareness and shed
light on that.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
GAT and I do think too, like the sacrifice that
the families make in their own mental health space to
advocate for their loved one is heroic. And we are
so congniostant that we are asking somebody to retell and
retell and retell their story. And that's why we're trying
really hard to lead by a better example, even a
(29:23):
better example from how we used to do things, and
how to change this. You know, it's interesting because I
know that events like crime Con or controversial for some
because people think that that should not be a place
where you go for entertainment. But having gone there and
I learned so much at the Nashville one, it was
(29:43):
like my university. I made connections which connected me to
people with ground penetrating radar for actual cases, with cadaver dogs,
with nonprofits, with podcasts that told my story which have
bigger audiences. They shared the wig story. It's incredible the
connections that we made with people who genuinely, genuinely truly
(30:06):
care about victims, and the amount of families that I
met there as well. We've still been covering cases that
we learned about from crime Con, like Britney Phillips. We
met her mom, doctor Maggie, at crime Con and I
covered her case on you should be here, and I'm
still friends with her and she's going to be at
crime Con and have a booth again. And I said,
(30:27):
I cannot wait to hug your neck because she's amazing.
She drives a van across America caravan to ketch a
killer to bring awareness about her daughter's unsolved murder. And
Jason Landry, we met his family at the booth there
at Crime Con and talked with him for quite a
long time. And there were representatives there of missing and
(30:51):
murdered Indigenous women there. They're advocacy groups there. So yeah,
I mean, Jason Landry, you covered his case where you
should be here as well, and we continue to use
these cases that we see in person. So victim families
that go, it is a great resource to you because
there are a lot of people who want to help
(31:11):
you there.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
It really is, and so that's why we go. That's
why we believe in it because we've we've physically gone
and we've seen the outcome and what it's done for
the families we've personally worked with and the families that
are there. There are lots of families that attend that
are looking for help, that are looking for answers. So
I think it's it's just you know, again, like Joel said,
(31:35):
we know that it's controversial, but you have to look
at the bigger picture and how that's helping these families,
And that's always our goal.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Our goal is always to help these.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Families, even down to the fact that we're like for us,
taking that extra step with not only doing better and
growing and learning and getting credentialed, like Joel said, she's
getting she's becoming a credentialed advocate. I'm a certified grief coach.
I just went through a certification for that. But continuing
education and learning and becoming better, but also how can
(32:07):
we help these families besides just sharing their story, because
for us, it doesn't just end after we share their story.
They literally become like our family that we keep in
touch with them, and any way that we can help them,
we do. That's why I started Shores of Strength. So
if they need anything that I can provide from my
experience or that Jewels can provide, we can do that.
(32:28):
There's other things that I have in the works that
are just to help any way that we can. From
that perspective, which again is what makes our network so
unique because we not only tell the stories and we
do the podcast production, but we continue on that and
we are so big into the advocacy part of it.
And it's all aspects of advocacy. It's like, how can
(32:51):
we help spread awareness, how can we help with mental wellness?
How can we help not continue to traumatize you but
try to just help you in the way that you
need the help. Oh, you can catch Jewels at your
host Jewels. You can catch me at general ver Investigates
on Instagram. And then if you want to follow along
(33:12):
with Fire Eyes and learn all about the podcast and
everything we're about to launch and have launched already, and
keep up with the podcast in general, go and follow
Fireeyes Media LC on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
It's about to get crazy around here, and we want
to tell your guys along the whole journey. And we
love to be very, very transparent with our journey in
the burnout because that does happen, and just the boundaries
and taking care of ourselves too, and then you know,
growing so rapidly, how do we take care of ourselves
with all the different heads that we're wearing. But we're
(33:47):
learning that it's okay to be vulnerable and open about
this side of it too because we matter too. Like
this it matters, and we have to take care of
ourselves too. And this space is really it's a good
space to be in to advocate. We have a great
listener base, we have a great community here, and we
(34:08):
know so many of you guys will see you are
victims yourselves.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Well.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Thank you all so much for joining us for today's
chatty and special episode with Jules and I, and we
will catch it in the next one. And then remember
you're wanted, you're loved, and you deserve to be here.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
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Speaker 3 (34:32):
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