He Hid a Head in His Closet: The Brian Cohee Jr. Case

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[Speaker 0]It's right here.
[Speaker 1]Where is that?
[Speaker 0]Yeah. Because there's an arm. There's an arm.
[Speaker 0]There's another arm. There's another one.
[Speaker 2]Parents have some concerns of some stuff they
[Speaker 2]may have found in your room?
[Speaker 3]Yeah. I believe so. And what what would
[Speaker 3]it be? A human head and hands. Nine

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[Speaker 3]one one. This is Jonas. I addressed the
[Speaker 3]emergency.
[Speaker 4]Hi. There is an emergency. I found found
[Speaker 4]something in my son's closet wrapped in a
[Speaker 4]plastic bag. Okay. What was it? I think
[Speaker 4]it's a human hug.
[Speaker 5]It's a what?
[Speaker 4]I think it's a human hug.
[Speaker 6]On March first two thousand twenty one, police

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[Speaker 6]at Grand Junction, Colorado received this chilling nine
[Speaker 6]one one call. A mother has just discovered
[Speaker 6]a disturbing secret hidden within her son's closet.
[Speaker 6]Even more terrifying, he's currently just outside the
[Speaker 6]house while she makes this call for help.
[Speaker 3]Why do you think it's that?
[Speaker 4]Because it looks like it has a sore
[Speaker 4]ear.
[Speaker 5]Is it all is it bloody or does

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[Speaker 5]it, like, anything like that?
[Speaker 4]Just can you just come? So do I
[Speaker 4]have to take a picture and send it
[Speaker 4]to you? Can you just come?
[Speaker 6]The dispatcher tries to get as much information
[Speaker 6]as possible to make sense of this shocking
[Speaker 6]call and give officers an idea of what
[Speaker 6]they might be walking into.
[Speaker 5]Is your son right now? He just
[Speaker 4]pulled up. We wanted to make sure he

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[Speaker 4]was here before we called. How old is
[Speaker 4]he? Nineteen. He's had a little bit of
[Speaker 4]a fascination with the morbid, but he was
[Speaker 4]channeling it, I thought, into becoming a crime
[Speaker 4]scene investigator, but not so much.
[Speaker 3]Do you think he's
[Speaker 5]gonna be cooperative with us?
[Speaker 4]I don't know. I don't think he'll be
[Speaker 4]violent. He just came back from his son's
[Speaker 4]house.
[Speaker 3]Did he

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[Speaker 5]have any weapons in his room, or do
[Speaker 5]you guys have any in the house?
[Speaker 4]I don't know. I think that he has
[Speaker 4]a shotgun, but we couldn't we remember immediately
[Speaker 4]before he gets in his room. He's out
[Speaker 4]by the car now, though.
[Speaker 3]Is the bag still in the closet?
[Speaker 4]No. It's in my kitchen sink, and there's
[Speaker 4]a secondary bag that I have not opened.
[Speaker 4]It's currently covered with a towel. And there's

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[Speaker 4]a second bag? Breaking with yeah. There's a
[Speaker 4]second bag. No. I don't know what's in
[Speaker 4]it. I didn't open it.
[Speaker 3]I'm sorry. Did you take the you took
[Speaker 3]the second bag out of the closet?
[Speaker 4]I took the second bag out of the
[Speaker 4]closet and put it in the sink.
[Speaker 5]Where's Brian now? I think
[Speaker 4]he's still outside.
[Speaker 5]And you're in the backyard now?
[Speaker 4]I am. Yes. Because I don't want him
[Speaker 4]to hear me.
[Speaker 6]Despite the horrifying nature of this call, police

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[Speaker 6]could not have anticipated the twisted tale of
[Speaker 6]violence they were about to embark on, nor
[Speaker 6]did they have any idea just how shocking
[Speaker 6]the motive behind the inexplicable horror would be.
[Speaker 6]One day prior to responding to this harrowing
[Speaker 6]incident, the emergency services had attended to a
[Speaker 6]rather unusual call at two AM on Sunday,
[Speaker 6]February twenty eighth two thousand twenty one. Nineteen

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[Speaker 6]year old Brian Cohee junior is having a
[Speaker 6]bad night. As officers arrive at the Blue
[Speaker 6]Heron boat ramp, they can scarcely believe their
[Speaker 6]eyes. The majority of the following footage has
[Speaker 6]never been seen before. It's been analyzed by
[Speaker 6]a qualified team, including a licensed professional counselor,
[Speaker 6]a licensed clinical psychologist, and a former detective,

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[Speaker 6]former licensed polygraph examiner and former hostage negotiation
[Speaker 6]commander and instructor.
[Speaker 3]How can
[Speaker 7]we call a tow
[Speaker 3]for that?
[Speaker 8]I don't know
[Speaker 3]because he'd have to get
[Speaker 9]in the freaking water. Yeah.
[Speaker 10]I called Locks Towing.
[Speaker 1]They want me to
[Speaker 10]text them a photo of the car because
[Speaker 10]they think they might be able to pull
[Speaker 10]it out.
[Speaker 11]Okay. So you already have you're already in

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[Speaker 11]contact
[Speaker 10]with them? Yeah. But I have I only
[Speaker 10]have, like, ten percent battery left on my
[Speaker 10]phone, and now he wants me to text
[Speaker 10]him a photo of the car. And I'm
[Speaker 4]like, oh, good lord.
[Speaker 3]I can take one and text it
[Speaker 11]to him for you if you'd like.
[Speaker 10]Oh, that would be fantastic. Thank you.
[Speaker 6]It's not every day that police officers see
[Speaker 6]a car floating in the Colorado River. To
[Speaker 6]try and make sense of what they're observing,

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[Speaker 6]the officers speak to Brian's mother.
[Speaker 10]He, is an inexperienced driver.
[Speaker 3]K. He
[Speaker 10]put his car here on the angle and
[Speaker 10]got out and, like, just went through the
[Speaker 10]limit. And when he went to get back
[Speaker 10]in, he wasn't able because of the angle
[Speaker 10]to pull it out. I don't know. He's
[Speaker 10]he's right there.
[Speaker 7]Okay. We'll
[Speaker 12]talk to him real quick.

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[Speaker 11]Alright. Sounds good.
[Speaker 6]Officers decide it's best to get the story
[Speaker 6]straight from the horse's mouth, and nineteen year
[Speaker 6]old Brian has no choice but to own
[Speaker 6]up to his mistake. Little do these officers
[Speaker 6]know, there's a sinister secret lurking in the
[Speaker 6]background of this crazy story.
[Speaker 11]Is your son right here? Yep. Hey, Pardon?
[Speaker 11]You wanna come talk to
[Speaker 12]me real quick?

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[Speaker 11]Sure. I appreciate it. I'm really cold. Is
[Speaker 11]it okay if it's in here?
[Speaker 3]Because Oh, it's fine.
[Speaker 10]Because he had
[Speaker 12]Okay. System. That's fine. I didn't
[Speaker 11]I did not know that. No. That's please
[Speaker 11]please stay in the car. Yeah. Alright? Nobody
[Speaker 11]else in the car? Nope. Okay.
[Speaker 1]Just us. I'm the father. That's the mother.
[Speaker 1]This is my son. He just Sounds good.
[Speaker 1]Twenty minutes ago and said, dad, I parked
[Speaker 1]in the boat ramp, and I messed up.
[Speaker 1]I tried the AstroTurf and slid down.

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[Speaker 11]Well, you're not hurt. Right? You're okay? No.
[Speaker 11]Just a little cold is all. Side your
[Speaker 11]pride a little bit. And probably seven thousand
[Speaker 11]dollars. K. Alright, man. Do you have your
[Speaker 11]ID with you, driver's license by any chance?
[Speaker 3]Thankfully. What were
[Speaker 1]you doing down here, bud?
[Speaker 3]Well, I felt like I needed to get
[Speaker 11]out, like Okay. And I figured, why not
[Speaker 11]park here and just Just relax a little
[Speaker 11]bit? Relax and think. Okay.

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[Speaker 3]And I
[Speaker 11]parked on the boat ramp, and I thought
[Speaker 11]it would be easy to get out. Uh-huh.
[Speaker 11]But when I tried to
[Speaker 12]Where did
[Speaker 11]you park exactly? Were you down the hill
[Speaker 11]a little bit? Yeah. Just a little bit.
[Speaker 11]K.
[Speaker 1]And then When you got back in go
[Speaker 1]ahead.
[Speaker 11]When I got back in, I tried to
[Speaker 11]put it in drive
[Speaker 3]Mhmm.
[Speaker 11]And it didn't go up. So then I
[Speaker 11]tried putting it in low gear, shimming
[Speaker 3]it a bit.
[Speaker 11]That didn't work. Were you facing down? No.
[Speaker 11]I was facing I

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[Speaker 1]was facing up. Okay. You you and me
[Speaker 1]you look you back down?
[Speaker 5]Yeah. That's a really good idea.
[Speaker 6]It's a predicament so ridiculous that the responding
[Speaker 6]officers can't help but laugh.
[Speaker 11]How we're gonna handle this, man. Because I
[Speaker 11]can't They might stay. Do I get a
[Speaker 11]tow going for a car in the river
[Speaker 11]and see if anybody will take this?
[Speaker 0]I'm gonna work on that.
[Speaker 11]I don't know, man. So I'm kinda glad

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[Speaker 11]you were coming down here because I was
[Speaker 11]like, it's not a crash. He just Dude,
[Speaker 11]it's like he's
[Speaker 3]getting down the water.
[Speaker 11]He parked it and basically couldn't get it
[Speaker 11]up. It just lost traction, looks like. And
[Speaker 11]then he he actually went in it
[Speaker 3]I just down in
[Speaker 11]the water. He's not hurt at all. So
[Speaker 11]I'm like, how are you gonna get this
[Speaker 11]car out if possible? I don't know.
[Speaker 6]The officers are convinced that this is a
[Speaker 6]teenager's mishap. It will be some time before

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[Speaker 6]they begin to suspect that there's anything more
[Speaker 6]to this story than what they've been told.
[Speaker 11]We're gonna get some options for you here,
[Speaker 11]man. I'm not sure exactly if if we're
[Speaker 11]gonna we're gonna see if we can go
[Speaker 11]through the list if anybody's got some ideas
[Speaker 11]on getting this car out of here Okay.
[Speaker 11]Or not. I don't know. I don't Yeah.
[Speaker 11]She's talking
[Speaker 3]to somebody.
[Speaker 11]Lot of, cars that have put themselves in
[Speaker 11]that situation. So we're gonna Yeah. See what

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[Speaker 11]we can do.
[Speaker 3]I'm I'm not
[Speaker 1]I'm actually the owner of the of the
[Speaker 1]life jacket program on the on the boat
[Speaker 1]ramp here. Mhmm.
[Speaker 11]I do have the life jackets Alright.
[Speaker 1]In Grand Junction, Colorado.
[Speaker 11]I was like, oh my god. I'm this
[Speaker 11]is not It happens. Yeah. It happens.
[Speaker 6]Faced with embarrassment over the whole ordeal, Brian's
[Speaker 6]mother talks with the officers.
[Speaker 10]Yeah. We made him wait till he was

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[Speaker 10]almost eighteen before he had his driver sliced
[Speaker 10]his ass because we didn't wanna have any
[Speaker 10]accidents like they do when they're sixteen and
[Speaker 10]seventeen
[Speaker 11]and stupid things.
[Speaker 10]But stupid, he doesn't have any accident, I
[Speaker 10]guess. Yeah.
[Speaker 11]Not gonna lie, this is my first time
[Speaker 11]too.
[Speaker 4]Really? It's
[Speaker 3]a new
[Speaker 9]one for me.
[Speaker 11]What's that? So I've never seen one of
[Speaker 11]these either, so

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[Speaker 3]it's a new one for
[Speaker 11]me. On my on
[Speaker 1]my website back when people back up their
[Speaker 1]boats, I see the actions. Like, when a
[Speaker 1]truck goes accidentally in the water Mhmm. Makes
[Speaker 1]you know the boat and the truck's in
[Speaker 1]the water.
[Speaker 3]That's awesome.
[Speaker 11]Just let me know if he does. That
[Speaker 11]way, if if not, we can try and
[Speaker 11]get hold of a tow truck and go
[Speaker 11]from there.
[Speaker 10]No. It's at an angle. It's heading upriver.
[Speaker 10]It's facing upriver. Yeah. Yes. The four the

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[Speaker 10]front of it is facing upriver. Damn it.
[Speaker 10]I'm sorry. He's losing the call. And he's
[Speaker 10]like, I don't wanna get wet. I don't
[Speaker 10]have the proper clothing to go into the
[Speaker 10]water and get wet. Yeah. Hey, Robert. Well,
[Speaker 10]you know, I I was just talking to
[Speaker 10]the patrolman, and they're suggesting that we just

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[Speaker 10]adjust this in daylight hours. That's why they
[Speaker 10]made the big bucks. They're smart. Nobody nobody
[Speaker 10]wants
[Speaker 13]to get in the water. I hear you.
[Speaker 6]At long last, the officers make contact with
[Speaker 6]a towing company willing to come out to
[Speaker 6]the river in the middle of the night
[Speaker 6]and risk the frigid waters. With help on
[Speaker 6]the way, they finish things up with the

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[Speaker 6]Cohys.
[Speaker 3]If you
[Speaker 11]guys wanna stay warm, more than welcome to
[Speaker 11]jump in that car and
[Speaker 3]see where it's going.
[Speaker 10]For Amy to stay here?
[Speaker 3]Or is
[Speaker 10]he is he free to go? He would
[Speaker 10]I'm sure he'd like to go home and
[Speaker 10]get warm.
[Speaker 11]I'm sure he'd like to get some pants
[Speaker 4]on. Yeah.
[Speaker 10]Right? Yeah.
[Speaker 11]I it's not a crash. It's
[Speaker 3]Okay.
[Speaker 10]Simple mistake. This is a stupid accident. Nope.
[Speaker 10]So I don't. Alright. I'm gonna take him

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[Speaker 10]to him then, and then we'll come back
[Speaker 10]here and figure out what's wrong with the
[Speaker 10]hitch truck driver. Thank you.
[Speaker 6]Terry and Brian senior take Brian home, but
[Speaker 6]they soon return without their son to the
[Speaker 6]boat ramp. Nearly an hour later, the tow
[Speaker 6]company is making progress. But as the car
[Speaker 6]nears the shore, the officers make a disconcerting

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[Speaker 6]discovery.
[Speaker 11]Hey. Quick question for you. Okay. This back
[Speaker 11]bumper, I
[Speaker 3]don't know.
[Speaker 11]You can probably see it from here.
[Speaker 3]It's a
[Speaker 11]lot of red on the back of that,
[Speaker 11]dripping down at all a little bit. That's
[Speaker 11]underneath the license plate, a little area right
[Speaker 11]there. Okay.
[Speaker 3]Okay. A
[Speaker 11]lot of red, which means looks like blood.
[Speaker 11]Blood? Yeah. I don't know if your did

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[Speaker 11]your son hurt himself
[Speaker 3]on his way out at all?
[Speaker 11]Oh. He might've he just didn't know it.
[Speaker 11]I don't know. That's a good that's why
[Speaker 11]I'm asking. It's a good question. He's at
[Speaker 11]home. He should make sure he's not got
[Speaker 11]a cutter
[Speaker 1]He's he's going to bed.
[Speaker 11]Something out on him somewhere that he's not
[Speaker 11]aware of maybe because his, adrenaline was a
[Speaker 11]little high. Maybe just have him do, like,
[Speaker 11]a self check, make sure he's okay.
[Speaker 3]Hello?
[Speaker 10]Brian, are you okay? They see blood on

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[Speaker 10]the back bumper
[Speaker 3]of the
[Speaker 14]vehicle. Really?
[Speaker 10]Yeah. Did you get hurt?
[Speaker 3]No. What?
[Speaker 10]Are you sure you don't have any injuries?
[Speaker 14]No. I'm fine. There's blood on it?
[Speaker 11]We're not sure.
[Speaker 1]We're
[Speaker 10]not sure. It's a red something red underneath
[Speaker 10]the license plate. It's
[Speaker 3]similar blood stained.

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[Speaker 4]I don't know. Alright.
[Speaker 10]But you're not injured. You don't have any
[Speaker 10]cuts?
[Speaker 3]No. I don't know what would cause blood
[Speaker 3]or or just whatever it is along that
[Speaker 3]bumper.
[Speaker 10]But you're not injured.
[Speaker 3]No. I'm not injured.
[Speaker 6]Officers may have some concerns about the mysterious
[Speaker 6]red substance on the bumper, but they release
[Speaker 6]the car into the Cohes' custody. However, on

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[Speaker 6]March first the next day, the police once
[Speaker 6]again find themselves at the Blue Heron boat
[Speaker 6]ramp. A homeless man by the name of
[Speaker 6]Warren Barnes has been reported missing. Officers speak
[Speaker 6]to the woman who called in the report.
[Speaker 2]How how do you know Warren?
[Speaker 10]I own Monique's bridal downtown, and I give
[Speaker 10]him a chair to sit and read his
[Speaker 10]books.
[Speaker 2]When was the last time you saw him?

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[Speaker 10]Saturday, five o'clock. I said, I'll see you
[Speaker 10]tomorrow, Warren. And he was like, okay. Meaning,
[Speaker 10]he planned on coming down on Sunday, and
[Speaker 10]then he did not show up. So I'm
[Speaker 10]thinking if they saw him Saturday, maybe it
[Speaker 10]happened more up there because it's weird. He
[Speaker 10]would never come down here. He would never
[Speaker 10]come all the way
[Speaker 3]down here.
[Speaker 7]He was out
[Speaker 15]of camp down here
[Speaker 3]or anything?
[Speaker 10]No. He worked for PeopleReady. And someone found
[Speaker 10]the wallet and called PeopleReady this morning. And

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[Speaker 10]they said that everything looked like it was
[Speaker 10]in there because he doesn't have much. And
[Speaker 10]I just gave him twenty dollars for beer,
[Speaker 10]so I know that he had maybe a
[Speaker 10]couple bucks.
[Speaker 0]So they found his wallet just down here
[Speaker 0]at the
[Speaker 4]boat ramp.
[Speaker 6]Monique Lanotti has forged a special friendship with
[Speaker 6]Warren over the years.
[Speaker 2]So why did you what raised concern of
[Speaker 2]you today to report him missing?
[Speaker 10]Because the place people already called to see

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[Speaker 10]if I had seen him because he didn't
[Speaker 10]show up for work, and he's never once
[Speaker 10]not shown up for work in the four
[Speaker 10]years he's been working for them. So I
[Speaker 10]said no, and that I hadn't seen him
[Speaker 10]since Saturday.
[Speaker 1]He's camping down here?
[Speaker 0]No. She's never seen or
[Speaker 15]heard of him being down here.
[Speaker 10]That's why that's why I'm freaked out because
[Speaker 10]there's no way he walked all the way
[Speaker 10]down here in his wallet.
[Speaker 2]So and how many years?

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[Speaker 16]Four years.
[Speaker 10]Yep. That's as long as I've known him.
[Speaker 6]Officers soon find that Monique is not alone
[Speaker 6]in her concerns about the missing Warren Barnes.
[Speaker 17]He literally shows up every morning, every day
[Speaker 17]without bill, like, at six o'clock, sometimes a
[Speaker 17]little bit sooner. And we always let him
[Speaker 17]in before the customers. We give him free
[Speaker 17]coffee. He's the nicest old man ever.
[Speaker 3]Do you talk to
[Speaker 17]him at all? All the time.
[Speaker 2]So every morning, it's around six

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[Speaker 4]Yeah.
[Speaker 2]Without fail?
[Speaker 17]Without fail. And he's the nicest guy ever.
[Speaker 17]Rough looking, but he is the nicest guy.
[Speaker 6]Monique gives officers a photograph of Warren in
[Speaker 6]the hopes that it'll help with their search.
[Speaker 2]That's the only picture you have of him.
[Speaker 10]That's the only one I have, and that's
[Speaker 10]from June of two thousand nineteen, so he's
[Speaker 10]a little bit thinner.
[Speaker 1]Okay. So
[Speaker 3]who found his wallet out there?

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[Speaker 10]The lady from the place said that it
[Speaker 10]was whoever runs the life jacket thingy. Mhmm.
[Speaker 1]I'm not I'm actually the owner of the
[Speaker 1]of the life jacket program on the on
[Speaker 1]the boat map here.
[Speaker 3]Okay.
[Speaker 11]Get in touch.
[Speaker 2]Well, thank you.
[Speaker 10]Yeah. Of course. I hope you guys find
[Speaker 10]him. I hope he's okay. If anything, I
[Speaker 10]just hope you find him so that we
[Speaker 10]can start the next process, whatever, because I
[Speaker 10]don't I don't know. I just have a

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[Speaker 10]really bad feeling.
[Speaker 6]Monique's tone doesn't convey much hope. And with
[Speaker 6]only an old photograph, police have very little
[Speaker 6]to go on. However, things are transpiring across
[Speaker 6]town. As it turns out, it was indeed
[Speaker 6]Brian Cohee's father who called about the wallet.
[Speaker 6]He found it in the most unlikely place,
[Speaker 6]the now recovered Ford five hundred that his

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[Speaker 6]son accidentally sank in the river. With her
[Speaker 6]suspicions raised, Brian's mother goes into his bedroom
[Speaker 6]to investigate. It's March first two thousand twenty
[Speaker 6]one, the day after the car incident at
[Speaker 6]the boat ramp, and Terry Cody is about
[Speaker 6]to make a horrifying discovery as she opens
[Speaker 6]her son's closet.
[Speaker 4]I think it's a human hood.

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[Speaker 5]It's a what?
[Speaker 3]I think
[Speaker 4]it's a human hood.
[Speaker 3]Why do you think it's that?
[Speaker 4]Because it looks like it has all in
[Speaker 4]here.
[Speaker 6]Shocked and terrified by what she's found in
[Speaker 6]her son's closet, Terry Cohee nonetheless has the
[Speaker 6]presence of mind to keep Brian in the
[Speaker 6]dark while she gets police to her address.

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[Speaker 6]Deputies from the Mesa County Sheriff's Office arrive
[Speaker 6]at Brian's address, wisely leaving their sirens off
[Speaker 6]as they approach. This could have frightened the
[Speaker 6]young suspect, and it's important to keep him
[Speaker 6]calm for the initial interaction.
[Speaker 3]What the
[Speaker 2]what's going on, man?
[Speaker 6]The deputy makes contact with Brian using a
[Speaker 6]friendly disarming greeting, which goes further to establish

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[Speaker 6]an atmosphere of calm. Of course, at the
[Speaker 6]same time, the deputy is certainly scanning the
[Speaker 6]area for any potential threats, as well as
[Speaker 6]making sure that Brian has his hands where
[Speaker 6]he can see them.
[Speaker 14]How about cooperate? I am gonna cooperate.
[Speaker 2]Okay. So parents have some concerns of some
[Speaker 2]stuff they may have found in your room?

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[Speaker 3]Yeah. I believe so. And what what would
[Speaker 3]it be? A human head and hands.
[Speaker 2]Do you have anything on ease? Did a
[Speaker 2]cut, poke, hurts, sticking anything without reaching for
[Speaker 2]nothing? Don't reach for nothing.
[Speaker 3]My phone and my wallet has it.
[Speaker 2]Well, I'm gonna have you face out with
[Speaker 2]your hands on top of your head for
[Speaker 2]me real quick. I just wanna make sure
[Speaker 2]you don't interlace your fingers for me real
[Speaker 2]quick. Alright?
[Speaker 6]It's important that the deputy only ask enough

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[Speaker 6]questions to figure out exactly what is going
[Speaker 6]on at the scene. And while this is
[Speaker 6]not the kind of encounter that even a
[Speaker 6]veteran police officer would be accustomed to, it's
[Speaker 6]Brian's parents who must slowly absorb the shock
[Speaker 6]of their son's admission.
[Speaker 2]I'm gonna have you walk over here. You're
[Speaker 2]gonna sit in the back of my partner's
[Speaker 2]patrol car for a minute. Okay? Okay. Just
[Speaker 2]sit back there and hang out for me.

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[Speaker 2]Okay? Oh, yeah. Can you walk me inside,
[Speaker 2]please?
[Speaker 3]I'll just
[Speaker 14]walk you off to this. What happened
[Speaker 1]to me? Okay.
[Speaker 7]Let me do it. You go inside.
[Speaker 2]Well, let's just stay out here with me
[Speaker 2]for
[Speaker 14]a minute. Sit down. Come on.
[Speaker 1]Sit down, dude.
[Speaker 3]Can can I go
[Speaker 2]in there and verify here first? Yeah. We
[Speaker 2]haven't
[Speaker 3]seen it yet. We can. It's out of
[Speaker 3]the tower in the sink. Okay.

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[Speaker 1]Andy, stay with your mother. Give her, Just
[Speaker 1]make sure that guy goes in the trunk.
[Speaker 1]I can check. Just
[Speaker 3]And she called me and said,
[Speaker 4]get over here right now.

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[Speaker 6]The deputy correctly asks for permission to enter
[Speaker 6]the house so that he can confirm the
[Speaker 6]grim contents of the kitchen sink.
[Speaker 14]I cover this with the towel.
[Speaker 3]Hold on.
[Speaker 1]Let him see it because we didn't want
[Speaker 1]him to run. I wanna look at it.
[Speaker 3]Yep.

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[Speaker 2]Just sit back there and
[Speaker 3]hang out with me. Okay? How are you?
[Speaker 16]Good, sir. How are you?
[Speaker 10]You said
[Speaker 4]your name is Brian? Yes.
[Speaker 3]I'm not feeling too well.
[Speaker 16]You're not feeling too well? Alright.
[Speaker 3]No. These past few days, I've been very,
[Speaker 3]very anxious.
[Speaker 16]That's understandable. So what we're gonna have you
[Speaker 16]do here is I'm just gonna have you
[Speaker 16]sit in the back here. Okay? Uh-huh. I'm
[Speaker 16]gonna turn on the air for you in
[Speaker 16]a second. That way you're not too hot.
[Speaker 4]Are you hot blooded or
[Speaker 16]cold blooded kind of guy?

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[Speaker 3]I am very cold blooded. I prefer cold.
[Speaker 3]Well, no. Actually, sorry. It's hot blooded. Hot
[Speaker 3]blooded.
[Speaker 16]So you prefer the cold? Okay. Fantastic. Okay.
[Speaker 16]Alright. So hop in here. I know you're
[Speaker 16]tall, so it's a little bit of a
[Speaker 16]tight squeeze. But like I said, I'll get
[Speaker 16]that air on for you.
[Speaker 3]Sorry about that. Alright.
[Speaker 14]Induction's been quite violent lately.
[Speaker 6]The officer has no response to this observation.

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[Speaker 3]How are
[Speaker 16]you holding up, Brian? Okay. A bit thirsty.
[Speaker 3]Do you
[Speaker 16]guys have any water
[Speaker 4]in your home?
[Speaker 16]I can't make any guarantees we're gonna be
[Speaker 16]able to go in and get some, but
[Speaker 16]I will get some water to you as
[Speaker 16]soon as I can. Okay? Alright, Brian. We're
[Speaker 16]headed to the sheriff's office. His family's gonna
[Speaker 16]go with us. Okay?
[Speaker 6]She also doesn't respond on the way to
[Speaker 6]the sheriff's office when Brian casually makes another

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[Speaker 6]chilling remark.
[Speaker 3]It was under this bridge.
[Speaker 16]Okay, Brian. Thank you. No problem, sir. So
[Speaker 16]walk with me. We're gonna walk right this
[Speaker 16]way. Okay?
[Speaker 3]You're fine with me not being in cuffs.
[Speaker 16]I'm fine with you not being in cuffs.
[Speaker 7]Okay. Thank you.
[Speaker 16]Alright, Brian. Open this door for me, please.

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[Speaker 16]Just walk for me, Brian.
[Speaker 3]Oh, I should have a mask.
[Speaker 16]You're okay. Don't worry about it. Okay?
[Speaker 1]Hold on. Keep on walking. Keep
[Speaker 16]going. Take another left. Hard left. Right here.
[Speaker 16]Right here.
[Speaker 3]Oh, sorry. Alright.
[Speaker 16]So have a seat, and we'll be with
[Speaker 16]you in a moment. Okay? Cool. Cool. Thanks,
[Speaker 16]Brian.
[Speaker 6]With Brian situated in the interrogation room, investigators

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[Speaker 6]speak with his parents to find out what
[Speaker 6]happened that harrowing morning.
[Speaker 4]I'm right here. Just take your time. Take
[Speaker 4]as much time as you need. Okay? So

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[Speaker 4]I know very little about what's going on
[Speaker 4]today. So, what story hell of what's going
[Speaker 4]on?
[Speaker 6]Terry relays the incident at the boat ramp.
[Speaker 4]So we have the car towed back to
[Speaker 4]address. And, of course, with the battery being

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[Speaker 4]wet, you know, nothing's operating. And so my
[Speaker 4]husband was cleaning out the car because he
[Speaker 4]was gonna take it into Scotty's to see
[Speaker 4]if they
[Speaker 14]could leave these outages. Okay?
[Speaker 4]And, he found the wallet. So he called
[Speaker 4]me this morning, and he said, found the
[Speaker 4]wallet by his car. Oh, and
[Speaker 3]the office is blocked. Talk to him

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[Speaker 4]with blood on his car. Okay. The night
[Speaker 4]that I
[Speaker 3]was in the river.
[Speaker 4]I'm on the scene, and, you know, he
[Speaker 4]had just had a procedure done on his
[Speaker 4]armpit a few days before, so I thought
[Speaker 4]maybe the adrenaline opened that back up, and
[Speaker 4]that's where it came from. I don't know.
[Speaker 4]And he said, I don't know where people.
[Speaker 4]And he took special effects class last summer,

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[Speaker 4]which involves fake blood. Right. And he said,
[Speaker 4]you know, one of those fake blood containers
[Speaker 4]first in my trunk is probably that. And
[Speaker 4]I was like, okay. That makes perfect sense.
[Speaker 6]However, his father, Brian Cody senior, found something
[Speaker 6]even grizzlier in the car's glove box and
[Speaker 6]decided to confront his son.
[Speaker 7]Went back out there this morning just to
[Speaker 7]continue, and I opened the glove box and

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[Speaker 7]there was a knife in the glove box,
[Speaker 7]underwater.
[Speaker 3]The glove box is full of water.
[Speaker 7]Very large knife. And then as I go
[Speaker 7]around the passenger door, I open the passenger
[Speaker 7]door and there's a wallet in between this
[Speaker 7]door and and I opened up that's not
[Speaker 7]Ryan's wallet. It's frozen solid. Like, let me
[Speaker 7]try to that's not Ryan's wallet. So I
[Speaker 7]take him inside, and I ended up getting
[Speaker 7]one of the rods of cards out. It's
[Speaker 7]Labor Ready. I read that. So I called

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[Speaker 7]Labor Ready,
[Speaker 3]and then another one another one, there
[Speaker 7]was a Social Security card. I was like,
[Speaker 7]hey. This is a weird call, but I've
[Speaker 7]got a while here with so and so's
[Speaker 7]name, and I'm I'm hoping he works for
[Speaker 7]you all. Or he's in a he
[Speaker 3]he he he
[Speaker 7]subs him out or whatever. Oh, yeah. My
[Speaker 7]boy. We've been missing him. Yeah. He didn't
[Speaker 7]show up today. Oh my god. Now we've
[Speaker 7]got a missing person. Okay. Well, I found

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[Speaker 7]his wallet at BlueJeans program. So here's my
[Speaker 7]name. Here's all my information.
[Speaker 3]If you get a hold of him, tell
[Speaker 3]him
[Speaker 7]I've got his wallet here at my house.
[Speaker 7]Okay. So I left that like that. Called
[Speaker 7]Brian. Brian, what's going on? Why is there
[Speaker 7]a wallet in
[Speaker 14]your car?
[Speaker 7]Oh, I was running down the boat, man,
[Speaker 7]but now I was on there walking around.
[Speaker 7]Okay. And and he was so sincere. I
[Speaker 7]I I I took it all. I wanna

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[Speaker 7]believe him. This is my son. He's here.
[Speaker 7]And, finally, Brian, how come and all this
[Speaker 7]going on in the last two days, what
[Speaker 7]happened? He didn't tell us about the wallet.
[Speaker 7]My dad was just so excited with all
[Speaker 7]the going on. My car get towed. Look
[Speaker 7]at this wet now. We'll start. I I
[Speaker 7]didn't think about it. I didn't think it
[Speaker 7]was important to add. I'm like, Brian, who
[Speaker 7]is one who is this one whatever guy?

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[Speaker 7]Mhmm. Dad, I swear to you, the problem
[Speaker 7]I only know one one. He's my school
[Speaker 7]friend. It's not him. I I I believe
[Speaker 7]that he's blood on the back on the
[Speaker 7]bumper. Right? I'm like, like a smear of
[Speaker 7]blood. And I I mean, that didn't come
[Speaker 7]from that cup. And
[Speaker 4]I asked him, tell me the truth.

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[Speaker 14]I I knew. Well, I didn't wanna believe.
[Speaker 14]I just told
[Speaker 4]him I was telling him I was telling
[Speaker 4]him I had that gut feeling.
[Speaker 6]Despite the red flags, the family put the
[Speaker 6]strange accident at the boat ramp behind them,
[Speaker 6]but no one was prepared for the spine
[Speaker 6]chilling discovery Terry made the next morning.
[Speaker 4]I was in his room cleaning up, putting
[Speaker 4]some things away, and he has a Rubbermaid

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[Speaker 4]container in his closet. And so I just
[Speaker 4]kinda started digging through going, you know, what
[Speaker 4]what is this mess? You know? Like, calm,
[Speaker 4]too. And I saw a plastic bag, a
[Speaker 4]white plastic trash bag. And I was like,
[Speaker 4]what in the world does he have in
[Speaker 4]here? And I picked it up, and it
[Speaker 4]was heavy. And I held it in my

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[Speaker 4]hands, and I was like, what in the
[Speaker 4]world is this? What in the world? Is
[Speaker 4]it something like maggots covering something? I don't
[Speaker 4]know. I better take it in the sink.
[Speaker 4]So I carried it out to the sink,
[Speaker 4]and it was double bags. So I ripped
[Speaker 4]up in one bag, and I saw oh,
[Speaker 4]lord. Okay. And I'm at This is in

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[Speaker 4]the second bag.
[Speaker 7]This is on the bag. Okay.

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[Speaker 4]Okay. I said, no. I'm excited. Brian Junior
[Speaker 4]has already gone over his friend's house. He
[Speaker 4]said, hey, mom, I wanna go over to
[Speaker 4]Kai's house. And I said, okay. But, you
[Speaker 4]know, don't be over there too long. He
[Speaker 4]goes, yeah. I should only be over there
[Speaker 4]maybe three or four hours. It's good to
[Speaker 4]hang out with her. And I said, okay.
[Speaker 6]This friend was Kylan Lyke, and police would

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[Speaker 6]speak with her shortly.
[Speaker 4]So I, called his father.
[Speaker 3]He said,
[Speaker 4]hi. Did you speak to Andy from school?
[Speaker 4]It is a high five. I think it's
[Speaker 4]not at twelve thirty. Twelve I just said,
[Speaker 4]you need to come over here right now.
[Speaker 4]And he
[Speaker 1]said, okay. Well, I got Andy with me,
[Speaker 1]and I said, you need to come over
[Speaker 1]here right now. And he said, okay. Well,
[Speaker 1]I got Andy with me, and I said,

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[Speaker 1]you
[Speaker 4]need to come over here right now.
[Speaker 1]And he said, okay. I'll be there in
[Speaker 4]a few minutes. Hang hang up. Hop.
[Speaker 6]Kylan Light's mother, Heather Gale, recalled what she
[Speaker 6]saw after Brian ended the call.
[Speaker 18]And my only memory of that was the
[Speaker 18]way he peeled out of the driveway. I
[Speaker 18]actually have a picture somewhere on my phone
[Speaker 18]of the marks when he left to go
[Speaker 18]because his brother called him, I guess, and
[Speaker 18]said, I need my car back.

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[Speaker 6]We know, of course, that this was a
[Speaker 6]ruse on the part of Brian's parents to
[Speaker 6]get him back to the house after their
[Speaker 6]horrifying discovery.
[Speaker 4]Brian and my husband was already there by
[Speaker 4]that point, and he put a towel over
[Speaker 4]the house. So we fetched a plan to
[Speaker 4]call Ryan and tell him that his brother

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[Speaker 4]needed the Mustang for a driving lesson because
[Speaker 4]he's one of the learners. And just as
[Speaker 4]he pulled up, I thought, when he was
[Speaker 4]working.
[Speaker 7]And me and he kinda knew something was
[Speaker 7]like, dad, you feel like the day's gonna
[Speaker 7]change? He started saying things. I'm like, yeah.
[Speaker 7]It would just be really vague. Me and
[Speaker 7]Andy were sitting there, and mom was on
[Speaker 7]the phone every day talking to nine one.
[Speaker 7]And it just seemed like it took forever.

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[Speaker 6]As his parents continue to speak with the
[Speaker 6]detectives, investigators Pete Berg and Lisa Norcross join
[Speaker 6]Brian in his room. Over the next two
[Speaker 6]hours, they will hear a shocking story of
[Speaker 6]blood curdling evil. And before the interview is
[Speaker 6]over, they will even learn the dreadful truth
[Speaker 6]about Brian's ill fated trip to the boat

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[Speaker 6]ramp.
[Speaker 3]Oh, thanks, Brian. This is Lisa.
[Speaker 14]She will try. Hi. How are you?
[Speaker 3]I'm okay.
[Speaker 14]You? Good day. Never really. Okay.
[Speaker 3]Can you try any seats? Okay. Oh,
[Speaker 4]there's a lot of special chairs.
[Speaker 3]No. The special chair because it's soft and
[Speaker 3]I won't.

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[Speaker 6]Brian is as cooperative and pleasant with the
[Speaker 6]investigators as he was with the deputy who
[Speaker 6]escorted him to the sheriff's office, but his
[Speaker 6]nervous shaking and insatiable thirst indicate he is
[Speaker 6]perhaps not as calm as he's trying to
[Speaker 6]appear. The question is whether he's anxious about
[Speaker 6]his fate or excited about his moment in
[Speaker 6]the spotlight. One thing to keep in mind

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[Speaker 6]is that according to his mother, Brian is
[Speaker 6]diagnosed with ADHD and autism, and leg shaking
[Speaker 6]can be a normal stimulating behavior for people
[Speaker 6]with these diagnoses. They read Brian his Miranda
[Speaker 6]rights, and he agrees to speak with the
[Speaker 6]officers.
[Speaker 14]Brian, from here? Yeah. Don't worry.
[Speaker 3]Did you go to school? I've, went to

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[Speaker 3]Broadway Elementary School just across from my dad's
[Speaker 3]house. House. Then I went to Brooklyn Middle
[Speaker 3]School. Right? Graduated last year. The pre op.
[Speaker 3]Okay. Do you work? Yes. Where do you
[Speaker 3]work at? Not even part time. I was
[Speaker 3]gonna say part time. Not even. As a

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[Speaker 3]buyer slash courtesy clerk, per se, boy, I
[Speaker 3]work anywhere from two to four days a
[Speaker 3]week.
[Speaker 6]It may seem at first glance that the
[Speaker 6]detectives are engaging in idle chitchat to set
[Speaker 6]Brian at ease, but this is part of
[Speaker 6]rapport building. And it's also crucial for them
[Speaker 6]to establish early on that Brian has been
[Speaker 6]handling responsibilities such as school and work and

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[Speaker 6]is perfectly capable of carrying on a normal
[Speaker 6]conversation. This will make it much harder for
[Speaker 6]Brian to claim before a jury that he
[Speaker 6]was unable to tell right from wrong.
[Speaker 3]And how did you get here? I heard
[Speaker 3]you somewhere. Okay. It
[Speaker 6]seems that investigator Berg was merely asking how
[Speaker 6]Brian physically arrived at the sheriff's office, but

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[Speaker 6]Brian doesn't stand on ceremony. With a tone
[Speaker 6]and head tilt that suggests he's bragging, Brian
[Speaker 6]makes the ultimate confession. In fact, he's all
[Speaker 6]too willing to discuss this horrific crime with
[Speaker 6]detectives.
[Speaker 3]Just start back at the beginning and go
[Speaker 3]slow and tell me plenty of details that
[Speaker 3]you can remember. So because I mean, Murray

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[Speaker 3]going to jail for fifteen years probably? I
[Speaker 3]have no idea. Because We're at the beginning.
[Speaker 3]It's it's murder. I mean, I'm going to
[Speaker 3]jail for Okay. Twenty, probably. So I figured
[Speaker 3]it. Okay. So what's important to me is
[Speaker 3]to learn as much about you and what
[Speaker 3]you did and as I can. Well, many

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[Speaker 3]details as you can give me the better.
[Speaker 6]Brian's polite exterior only adds to the surreal
[Speaker 6]depravity of his confession. He's somewhat of a
[Speaker 6]unique suspect.
[Speaker 3]Let's see. Yeah. It was the night of
[Speaker 3]February twenty seventh. It was a full moon,
[Speaker 3]and I figured I could see so well.
[Speaker 3]Why not try it out? I am in

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[Speaker 3]a bad state of mind at that time.
[Speaker 3]I have major depressive disorder, so I am
[Speaker 3]not thinking something positively. Okay. And I am
[Speaker 3]cruising around for an hour, hour and a
[Speaker 3]half, till I fill up on gas halfway
[Speaker 3]way through and eventually driving underneath the bridge

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[Speaker 3]near the sheriff's office. I'm back with I'm
[Speaker 3]back with words I'm just By the way,
[Speaker 3]I'm a habitual light shaker. I have a
[Speaker 3]question.
[Speaker 4]Mhmm. Do
[Speaker 3]you send people who have committed crimes like
[Speaker 3]me, do we stay in this county jail,
[Speaker 3]or are we moved? It all depends on

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[Speaker 3]what the judge is.
[Speaker 6]Brian maintains his spirit of cooperation, but he's
[Speaker 6]clearly concerned about what happens after this interview
[Speaker 6]is over. It's interesting to note how he
[Speaker 6]compares himself to others with the phrase people
[Speaker 6]who have committed crimes like me, almost as
[Speaker 6]if he has joined an exclusive club.
[Speaker 3]So we're gonna rip the bridge. Yes. I

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[Speaker 3]don't have the bridge. I was cruising to
[Speaker 3]yeah. I was there's a road underneath. Right?
[Speaker 3]Uh-huh. Half under the overpass. And I was
[Speaker 3]driving along, and I see a shape here
[Speaker 3]on the railway track. So I'm like, oh,
[Speaker 3]interesting. So I go up. And as I'm
[Speaker 3]looking, I see a large thing wrapped in

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[Speaker 3]a canvas. Okay. And I'm like, that's a
[Speaker 3]homeless person. So I grab my knife. I
[Speaker 3]put on three layers of gloves because plastic
[Speaker 3]gloves can be trailer users because they're so
[Speaker 3]thin, the final gloves by printing your fingerprints
[Speaker 3]through. So I put on two, three on
[Speaker 3]one hand, and took the knife, I pulled

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[Speaker 3]back the canvas, and I stabbed his neck.
[Speaker 3]Okay. He was panicking at first In his
[Speaker 3]old man voice, he was in his fifties.
[Speaker 3]I don't know why I call an old
[Speaker 3]man. He was saying, What are you doing?
[Speaker 3]What are you doing? Why? Why? And I
[Speaker 3]just kept on stabbing his neck. I was
[Speaker 3]is this okay if I do a demonstration?
[Speaker 3]Oh, yeah. This is him. I was straddled

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[Speaker 3]on top of him like this. Okay. And,
[Speaker 3]he couldn't fight back. It was actually surprisingly
[Speaker 3]easy. I was, you know, breaking a sweat.
[Speaker 3]I thought, oh, this guy, he's gonna be
[Speaker 3]tough. But no, it was actually surprisingly easy.
[Speaker 3]And during the time, I was growling and
[Speaker 3]making the animalistic noises.

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[Speaker 6]At this point, there can be no doubt
[Speaker 6]that Brian is excited to tell the investigators
[Speaker 6]all about his horrific deed. Not only is
[Speaker 6]he pleased to be holding court, he's actually
[Speaker 6]reliving the murder and relishing the memory, demonstrated
[Speaker 6]by a smile. As for any question of
[Speaker 6]this crime being premeditated, Brian admits to having
[Speaker 6]put on three layers of gloves, which he

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[Speaker 6]already had with him.
[Speaker 3]The whole ordeal lasted about a minute, minute
[Speaker 3]and a half. Okay. And when I was
[Speaker 3]finished stabbing him, he took out his last
[Speaker 3]breath, a grunt, and his head was halfway
[Speaker 3]cut off in sacks. All the while no.
[Speaker 3]Actually, after I killed him, I just couldn't
[Speaker 3]stop saying stinky dirty dirty stinky. Wasn't I

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[Speaker 3]wasn't selling anything, but
[Speaker 6]In an eerie coincidence, on one of his
[Speaker 6]social media accounts, Brian identifies himself as that
[Speaker 6]stinky boy registered under his email ID.
[Speaker 3]And why would you say that? I don't
[Speaker 3]know. Okay. But you remember doing it. So
[Speaker 3]Yeah. I suppose it was just me speaking

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[Speaker 3]out of my mind at that moment. It
[Speaker 3]was a pouring out of my mind. Were
[Speaker 3]you worried about I mean, this looks like
[Speaker 3]it's pretty close to the road to have
[Speaker 3]somebody seen me or catching it? It was
[Speaker 3]eleven PM. K.
[Speaker 14]So not many were driving by.
[Speaker 3]A few well, it was behind the pillar.
[Speaker 3]So, like, here's the road. Uh-huh. It was
[Speaker 3]here. So people would only see a brief

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[Speaker 3]thing here and here. So were you worried
[Speaker 3]about them sinking? I was worried about one
[Speaker 3]of them stopping. What did you think could
[Speaker 3]happen to me? Well, if they looked well,
[Speaker 3]it was quite dark under there, so they
[Speaker 3]wouldn't have seen the guy, you know, like
[Speaker 3]they looked. They would have seen me holding
[Speaker 3]a bloody twelve inch knife, wearing gloves, and

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[Speaker 3]wearing a mask to conceal my identity. Face
[Speaker 3]mask. Okay. So you weren't doing it for
[Speaker 3]COVID. You were doing it for COVID. You
[Speaker 3]were doing it for COVID. You were doing
[Speaker 3]it for COVID. Partially. So it's a bit
[Speaker 3]Right. Yeah. But no one stops. And I'm
[Speaker 3]just like, that proves the bystander effect.
[Speaker 6]His laughter and offhand comments speak to his
[Speaker 6]mindset, which is that nothing is wrong. Brian

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[Speaker 6]mentions the bystander effect here, which is the
[Speaker 6]idea that the more people there are watching
[Speaker 6]a crime, the less likely that anyone will
[Speaker 6]stand up and do anything about it. There
[Speaker 6]are a few different reasons behind this, but
[Speaker 6]we know that it often occurs because people
[Speaker 6]may be afraid that they'll be judged by
[Speaker 6]the rest of the crowd if they step
[Speaker 6]in first to do something. Ultimately, people are

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[Speaker 6]social creatures, and the vast majority of people
[Speaker 6]chose to do whatever the rest of the
[Speaker 6]crowd does. It's a rare person that steps
[Speaker 6]forward alone.
[Speaker 3]I noticed you got a cut on your
[Speaker 3]hand, and that's from That was when I
[Speaker 3]was doing gasps when I filled up. What
[Speaker 3]happened was, because I don't wanna be seen
[Speaker 3]in a gas station with a knife poking

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[Speaker 3]out of my pocket, I put it in
[Speaker 3]the car on the back seat floor. When
[Speaker 3]I'm done with it, I try and grab
[Speaker 3]it, but my hand slips and grabs the
[Speaker 3]blade. And as I pick it up, it
[Speaker 3]slices these two fingers. Okay. And then let's
[Speaker 3]see. Yeah. And then after that I stripped

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[Speaker 3]his clothes. I cut open his belly and
[Speaker 3]see his guts. They're really pink. Sorry. I
[Speaker 3]was morbid.
[Speaker 6]One of the exceptional aspects of Brian's confession
[Speaker 6]is the level of detail he provides. Together
[Speaker 6]with his casual commentary and jokes, these details
[Speaker 6]convey to investigators that Brian is being fully

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[Speaker 6]truthful about what he did. It's also worth
[Speaker 6]noting that morbid humor has long been one
[Speaker 6]of Brian's trademarks.
[Speaker 4]What about other kids in the neighborhood of
[Speaker 4]your uncle? He didn't really you know, he
[Speaker 4]had a couple of friends that he's had
[Speaker 4]since he's the elementary. But, you know, he
[Speaker 4]has a morbid he had a morbid sense

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[Speaker 4]sense of humor and would make jokes. And
[Speaker 4]I'd say, Kylan, that is not funny. He'd
[Speaker 4]go, yeah. It is, mom. You just don't
[Speaker 4]get my sense of humor.
[Speaker 6]In an interview with prosecutors, Kylan Lyke, who's
[Speaker 6]known Brian since the ninth grade and whose
[Speaker 6]house Brian was visiting just before his arrest,
[Speaker 6]says that being provocative is a hallmark of
[Speaker 6]his personality.
[Speaker 13]When I first met him, he was very

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[Speaker 13]edgy is the best way I can describe
[Speaker 13]it. He loved to get a reaction out
[Speaker 13]of people and say things that would make
[Speaker 13]people have a double take. He wanted to
[Speaker 13]go against the flow. His jokes were always
[Speaker 13]in the realm of dark humor. Very rarely
[Speaker 13]did he make jokes that weren't somehow relating
[Speaker 13]to death or violence or destruction or breaking
[Speaker 13]the law or just basically just humor that

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[Speaker 13]is considered dark humor. And I I know
[Speaker 13]a couple of people personally who just hated
[Speaker 13]him because that's kinda how he is. You
[Speaker 13]either think it's hilarious or you hate it.
[Speaker 13]And that's the people who think it was
[Speaker 13]hilarious was a small percentage of people that
[Speaker 13]unfortunately and embarrassingly included myself. And my very
[Speaker 13]best friend of high school, Emily, was someone
[Speaker 13]who hated him. And, you know, she's a
[Speaker 13]bigger girl, and he would call her fat

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[Speaker 13]and call her pig and call anybody who
[Speaker 13]looked like that things along the same line.
[Speaker 13]Like, just spiteful, I guess. Just trying to,
[Speaker 13]like, like I said, get a rise out
[Speaker 13]of people.
[Speaker 6]Kylan Lyke is not the only one who
[Speaker 6]noticed Brian's love of sick humor. While in
[Speaker 6]a youth diversion program two years earlier, Brian
[Speaker 6]asked the other teens if they enjoyed a
[Speaker 6]snack known as crispy meat bites. He joked

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[Speaker 6]that the recipe involved running your cat or
[Speaker 6]dog through a meat grinder and then frying
[Speaker 6]them up. Despite Brian's predilection for dark humor,
[Speaker 6]Kylan's mom tells investigators that she never worried
[Speaker 6]about her daughter being friends with him.
[Speaker 18]He didn't seem scary to me at the
[Speaker 18]time. He just seemed unusual, like, in the
[Speaker 18]way that my nephew and other people I

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[Speaker 18]know that are on the spectrum are just
[Speaker 18]a little unusual. Like, not a lot of
[Speaker 18]eye contact, you know, things like that. But
[Speaker 18]he never struck me as scary. Like I
[Speaker 18]said, I actually let my daughter and her
[Speaker 18]friends, not that I was in charge of
[Speaker 18]her friends, but I let her sleep over
[Speaker 18]at his house, like, a month, two months,
[Speaker 18]whatever, New Year's. And his mom, as far
[Speaker 18]as I know, she ran a daycare, so
[Speaker 18]I thought, you know, good with kids, whatever.

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[Speaker 18]You know? Okay.
[Speaker 6]Not only does Brian's mom run a daycare,
[Speaker 6]she runs it out of her home. Upon
[Speaker 6]discovering the severed head in her son's closet
[Speaker 6]that afternoon, she had to scramble to get
[Speaker 6]parents to pick up their children before calling
[Speaker 6]police.
[Speaker 4]And I sent home all the children. I
[Speaker 4]had a few little kids over, but I
[Speaker 4]was watching. I called their parents and they

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[Speaker 4]said, the same, whatever I can
[Speaker 14]see, please come pick up your children
[Speaker 4]right away. They're safe. They're not hurt. Parents
[Speaker 4]came. Everything's okay, and they took their kids
[Speaker 4]home.
[Speaker 6]Back in the interrogation room, Brian goes into
[Speaker 6]further nauseating detail about the post mortem mutilation
[Speaker 6]of Warren Barnes.
[Speaker 3]Destroyed his eyes by stabbing them. Okay. And

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[Speaker 3]then I cut off his hands. I put
[Speaker 3]those in plastic Ziploc bags, and then I
[Speaker 3]cut off his right arm at this joint
[Speaker 3]Okay. And at this joint. And then at
[Speaker 3]this arm, I tried cutting it here and
[Speaker 3]then I tried cutting it here, but what

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[Speaker 3]happened was I accidentally broke his bone. This
[Speaker 3]one, it was poking out, and so I
[Speaker 3]left that one here partially cut, dismembered here
[Speaker 3]and bone sticking out and then I left
[Speaker 3]his body there and then I took the
[Speaker 3]head put it in a leftover box from
[Speaker 3]the dinner a few nights ago and then

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[Speaker 3]I took my hands put them in the
[Speaker 3]back, took them, hid the hands ahead in
[Speaker 3]my room, cleaned the knife, threw it away
[Speaker 3]in the garbage with with his butt on
[Speaker 3]it, and then put the blood stained wasn't
[Speaker 3]stained, it had splatters on it. I put
[Speaker 3]it in the dish in the, the washing

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[Speaker 3]machine. What what did you put in there?
[Speaker 3]I said the outfit I murdered him in.
[Speaker 14]Is it washware? Or Yeah.
[Speaker 3]I I was wearing it. Okay. In a
[Speaker 3]in a washing machine, put it on high
[Speaker 3]speed, so it would effectively remove the blood.
[Speaker 3]Washed it twice.
[Speaker 6]You'll notice again that not only is Brian's
[Speaker 6]level of detail remarkable and disturbing, he talks

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[Speaker 6]about the steps he took to avoid getting
[Speaker 6]caught. These will undoubtedly be important elements to
[Speaker 6]any eventual prosecution as it goes to establishing
[Speaker 6]his state of mind.
[Speaker 3]I can back up just so I don't
[Speaker 3]lose track of where my mind is. So
[Speaker 3]you cut him open. Did you cut his
[Speaker 3]arms off, his hands off all that before
[Speaker 3]you went home? Yeah. Before I went home,

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[Speaker 3]I tossed the armpits around. Like, I took
[Speaker 3]the right armpits, threw it out. Okay. Took
[Speaker 3]the left armpit, threw it out. I went
[Speaker 3]somewhere around that bridge. Yeah. But look in
[Speaker 3]a because I know crime scenes can be
[Speaker 3]a very wide area. Mhmm. You're going to
[Speaker 3]want to look in a five in a

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[Speaker 3]ten foot area. So, like, this is a
[Speaker 3]zoom in. So here's the road, and here's
[Speaker 3]where my car was parked. You're going his
[Speaker 3]corpse is here.
[Speaker 6]The interview continues to get more and more

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[Speaker 6]bizarre. In addition to reliving the mutilation in
[Speaker 6]full pantomime, Brian enthusiastically goes over the dimensions
[Speaker 6]and location of the crime scene as if
[Speaker 6]he's a police lieutenant giving a briefing to
[Speaker 6]his officers.
[Speaker 3]I hope I'm being cooperative. Oh, you're doing
[Speaker 3]great. So you could have just walked over
[Speaker 3]here. I could have. It's no use trying

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[Speaker 3]to deceive from So from north, and you
[Speaker 3]threw what all did you throw while you
[Speaker 3]were there? I I mean, how many I
[Speaker 3]just hear my own complaint. There are two
[Speaker 3]pieces of arm. This section and this section.
[Speaker 3]Okay. Just in this general area. I can't
[Speaker 3]I can't say where they are.
[Speaker 6]Armed with information they've been fed from the

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[Speaker 6]interrogation, police officers descend on the area. There,
[Speaker 6]they find a scene that will no doubt
[Speaker 6]haunt them for the rest of their lives.
[Speaker 0]It's right here.
[Speaker 1]Where you see it?
[Speaker 0]Yeah. Because there's an arm.
[Speaker 11]Hey.
[Speaker 6]The female cop starts to laugh when she
[Speaker 6]sees an arm. It's unfortunate that the family

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[Speaker 6]and the court will hear this.
[Speaker 3]Please, sir.
[Speaker 0]Check her. There's an arm. There's another arm.
[Speaker 1]Okay. I need some pictures.
[Speaker 0]There's another one.
[Speaker 1]I don't have a clue.
[Speaker 2]It's like something out of TV.
[Speaker 11]Yeah. Discussion with the deputy chief about how

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[Speaker 11]people how these kids don't have any, viewers.
[Speaker 11]Right. Here's a leg. That could be the
[Speaker 11]upper arm or a leg.
[Speaker 0]Well, there's three. There, there, and there.
[Speaker 11]Pieces down there. I mean, if
[Speaker 3]we we
[Speaker 11]can get the lab out here, that would
[Speaker 11]be
[Speaker 0]the best thing.
[Speaker 3]The forensics. Holy hell.

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[Speaker 6]As police officers less than half a mile
[Speaker 6]away take measure of the bleak crime scene
[Speaker 6]under the bridge, detective Norcross probes more deeply
[Speaker 6]into the whereabouts of the rest of Warren
[Speaker 6]Barnes' remains.
[Speaker 14]You took was it the head
[Speaker 4]in the hands? Mhmm. And when
[Speaker 14]did you put the head?
[Speaker 3]Well, there's a three rule for body. I

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[Speaker 3]like to call them three rule.
[Speaker 14]Tell tell me about that.
[Speaker 3]Three days the body starts to stink. No.
[Speaker 3]Three hours rigor mortis sets in. Body stiffens.
[Speaker 3]Three days the body starts to stink because
[Speaker 3]of deep composition. Three weeks the body is
[Speaker 3]starting to seriously decompose. Okay. Great. Three months

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[Speaker 3]the body is unrecognizable. Three years
[Speaker 14]it turns into a skeleton. And may I
[Speaker 14]ask how you know that?
[Speaker 3]I just I've always had a fascination with
[Speaker 3]forensics and with anatomy and physiology. That's something
[Speaker 3]I made up. That's something I I don't
[Speaker 3]wanna sound like I've been saying something. That's
[Speaker 3]why that's why I coined the cerebral.

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[Speaker 14]You kind of remember it that way.
[Speaker 3]Yeah. That's
[Speaker 14]your way of remembering it. Accurate? Well, somewhat
[Speaker 14]somewhat. So
[Speaker 6]This segment is fascinating for a number of
[Speaker 6]reasons, not the least of which is the
[Speaker 6]remarkable display of skill on the part of
[Speaker 6]detective Norcross, who makes Brian feel as though
[Speaker 6]she's mesmerized by his account of the three

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[Speaker 6]rule. She gives him a moment of validation
[Speaker 6]at the end, and Brian's satisfaction is obvious.
[Speaker 6]His ego is stroked, and he feels that
[Speaker 6]he's earned the approval of the detectives.
[Speaker 14]Yeah. So what did you you have the
[Speaker 14]head and the hand
[Speaker 3]and the house. The head, I put because
[Speaker 3]it was starting to stink, I was planning
[Speaker 3]on throwing the head and hands away. Not

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[Speaker 3]in the trash bag, not in the kitchen
[Speaker 3]trash, but they were both in trash bags.
[Speaker 3]The head was in a trash bag. I
[Speaker 3]hide up the trash bag. Hands, I put
[Speaker 3]in a trash bag as well. They were
[Speaker 3]in Ziploc bags. And I was go I
[Speaker 3]was planning do they sell empty paint buckets?
[Speaker 3]Mhmm. I was planning to buy an empty

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[Speaker 3]paint bucket, put the head in it, seal
[Speaker 3]it, and then I was going to throw
[Speaker 3]it off in some dish. Okay.
[Speaker 4]If I had my hands,
[Speaker 3]I would throw it in a different spot,
[Speaker 3]wherever.
[Speaker 14]I'm sorry. I just wanna make sure I
[Speaker 14]have it right.
[Speaker 4]The head is inside
[Speaker 14]of a trash bag. It was. Well, where
[Speaker 14]is it now?
[Speaker 3]In the kitchen sink. My parents searched through
[Speaker 3]my room, and they found the head and

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[Speaker 3]hands.
[Speaker 14]Okay. And so are the head and the
[Speaker 14]hands in the kitchen sink now? On my
[Speaker 14]chair. Okay. So they're in the kitchen sink
[Speaker 14]now. Did your parents put them down?
[Speaker 3]They were in my closet.
[Speaker 6]As of now, investigators have only found a
[Speaker 6]head, hands, and several pieces of arm. That
[Speaker 6]leaves the mystery of where the rest of
[Speaker 6]Warren Barnes is.

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[Speaker 14]What is that kind of trash bag? White.
[Speaker 14]White? Like a kitchen one or what?
[Speaker 3]Like a kitchen one?
[Speaker 14]Kitchen one. Okay. White kitchen?
[Speaker 3]That you put in a trash can.
[Speaker 14]Yeah. And then what about the hands? They
[Speaker 14]were inside Ziplocs, you said?
[Speaker 3]Both in it's in the same they're both
[Speaker 3]in a different trash bag.
[Speaker 14]Okay. The white kitchen trash bag. Yes. But
[Speaker 14]now they're in the kitchen sink.

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[Speaker 3]Yes. And you talked about cutting the it
[Speaker 3]used to be a maker. I know it's
[Speaker 3]not easy to just cut off hands. Oh,
[Speaker 3]yeah. It was it was with the knife.
[Speaker 3]I was just So did you practice on
[Speaker 3]anything else? No. How did you know how
[Speaker 3]to do it? No. I I just went
[Speaker 3]along as a process. The bones, I just
[Speaker 3]press the blade down the winch. Okay. And

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[Speaker 3]how hard was it to do that? To
[Speaker 3]get them actually? No. I was just more
[Speaker 3]frustrated that I broke Oak's bone. So if
[Speaker 3]you haven't got frustrated, what was your I
[Speaker 3]mean, it sounds like what you did, we
[Speaker 3]know. Did you have a different plan? Why
[Speaker 3]did you The original? Because I always wanted

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[Speaker 3]to know what it felt like to cut
[Speaker 3]up some length. Okay. So because I'm just
[Speaker 3]so why did you stop? Where did you
[Speaker 3]stop? Because the arms were just that's it,
[Speaker 3]and that's all I wanted to know is
[Speaker 3]was like cutting off the lead, and I'm
[Speaker 3]just like, okay.
[Speaker 6]Again, the mind reels when confronted with the
[Speaker 6]nonchalant attitude Brian has toward discussing the murder

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[Speaker 6]and dismemberment of a human being.
[Speaker 3]You said you studied criminology and forensics and
[Speaker 3]all that. I do not do not college
[Speaker 3]study a school study. It's like a hacking
[Speaker 3]interest. I understand. But what were you worried
[Speaker 3]about, like, leaving evidence behind? No. No. No.
[Speaker 3]No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.
[Speaker 3]No. No this is not to be taken

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[Speaker 3]offense, but police, they don't seem to care
[Speaker 3]as much about high risk individuals, homeless people,
[Speaker 3]prostitutes, etcetera. So I was deliberately looking for
[Speaker 3]someone who lived that type of life. Okay.
[Speaker 3]And I found a homeless person and the
[Speaker 3]original goal was just even there. But I
[Speaker 3]was worried about the fibers on the outfit

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[Speaker 3]I was wearing that would be on his
[Speaker 3]his, clothes and stuff. So I deliberately messed
[Speaker 3]up the clothes.
[Speaker 6]This is an outstanding amount of premeditation for
[Speaker 6]a youth offender. It's a shocking amount for
[Speaker 6]anyone, but particularly because of his age, his
[Speaker 6]executive functioning is years from being developed, and
[Speaker 6]yet he's thought so much of this through.

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[Speaker 6]It's chilling to think what he may have
[Speaker 6]been capable of had he not been caught.
[Speaker 6]Brian remains engaged, casual, and even jovial as
[Speaker 6]he describes his mindset on the night of
[Speaker 6]the murder. His detailed concerns about getting caught
[Speaker 6]will make it very difficult for his lawyers
[Speaker 6]to mount an effective insanity defense. According to
[Speaker 6]Kylan Lyke's mother, Heather Gale, this isn't the

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[Speaker 6]first time that Brian talked about choosing a
[Speaker 6]victim on the outskirts of society.
[Speaker 12]Anything else you've even things you've heard from
[Speaker 12]Kylan come to mind?
[Speaker 18]She told me that he had mentioned that
[Speaker 18]he would that he was going to kill
[Speaker 18]a homeless person because nobody would miss them
[Speaker 18]and he could get away with it.
[Speaker 6]Yet once in an interview, Kylan tells a

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[Speaker 6]different story.
[Speaker 13]He never talked to me about wanting to
[Speaker 13]kill a homeless person specifically, but he definitely
[Speaker 13]talked to me a lot about, like, killing.
[Speaker 13]And I was actually surprised because I figured
[Speaker 13]that if he was going to do something
[Speaker 13]like this that it would be on a
[Speaker 13]larger scale. Like I thought he would, I
[Speaker 13]don't wanna sound vulgar, but I figured if
[Speaker 13]he was gonna snap it would be like
[Speaker 13]shooting up a store or something similar like

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[Speaker 13]that. And he had mentioned, like, not liking
[Speaker 13]his neighbors, so I thought maybe something would
[Speaker 13]happen there. So I was actually really I
[Speaker 13]was surprised that he had killed someone, but
[Speaker 3]I was also surprised that it had only
[Speaker 3]been one person. So how long have you
[Speaker 3]been planning or looking for someone to do
[Speaker 3]this with before you found this guy? About
[Speaker 3]a year. About a year? About six months.

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[Speaker 6]Brian's Internet search history adds an interesting element
[Speaker 6]to this as he looked up homicidal thoughts
[Speaker 6]every day and how to cope with murderous
[Speaker 6]thoughts.
[Speaker 3]So you come close or seen somebody or
[Speaker 3]checking that out or anything in the past?
[Speaker 3]No. I mean, I was looking for a
[Speaker 3]deliberately secluded place like that one. I wouldn't

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[Speaker 3]just go up in Clifton and find someone
[Speaker 3]walking down the street and stab them. No.
[Speaker 3]That's that's too public. Everyone sees that. Have
[Speaker 3]you looked like it's a homeless place or
[Speaker 3]anything in the past? I have. Yes. I
[Speaker 3]will go on night drives often, Maybe once
[Speaker 3]every two weeks. Now just for instance, streets.

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[Speaker 3]So before that Skye, how close have you
[Speaker 3]come in the past? Not at all. At
[Speaker 3]all? You just drive around? Yeah. Look. Just
[Speaker 3]try and find Is anybody interested? No. In
[Speaker 3]your mind's on a plan? Well, occasionally, when
[Speaker 3]you see girls walking down the street, I
[Speaker 3]take a glance at them because Okay. It

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[Speaker 3]really is like Ed Kemper aware. Half of
[Speaker 3]me says, well, I'm I'm quite inept with
[Speaker 3]women. I'm being honest. I'm no Casanova. But
[Speaker 3]after me says, I wanna take that girl
[Speaker 3]home and make her feel nice. And the
[Speaker 3]other half of me, it's just like what
[Speaker 3]Ed said, is I wanna see what our
[Speaker 3]head looks like on a stick.

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[Speaker 6]Brian is describing a mindset that's detestable, yet
[Speaker 6]he delivers it with a smile and a
[Speaker 6]laugh. His obvious excitement in describing both his
[Speaker 6]mindset and the murder raises questions about his
[Speaker 6]psychological history. As well, another Internet search Brian
[Speaker 6]made reveals that he may have considered other
[Speaker 6]sickening plans as well as he searched for

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[Speaker 6]how do people react to a home invasion.
[Speaker 6]However grisly Brian's sense of humor might seem,
[Speaker 6]it's again worth noting that it's a trait
[Speaker 6]his friends are familiar with. One of Brian's
[Speaker 6]friends, Patrick Rohor, spoke with police.
[Speaker 9]Our our whole friend group was, like, really
[Speaker 9]weird. We were, like, all of those.
[Speaker 3]We're just a group
[Speaker 9]of people, like, don't really fit anywhere else
[Speaker 9]and they end up, like, finding each other

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[Speaker 9]at different lengths throughout at school. We were
[Speaker 9]just all kind of weird together,
[Speaker 3]and so, like, the off pillar stuff and,
[Speaker 3]like,
[Speaker 9]anything that, like, seemed weird, I just kind
[Speaker 9]of, like, took for Brian being Brian
[Speaker 3]and just kind of tried to accept it.
[Speaker 6]However, even his friend must admit that Brian
[Speaker 6]was different.
[Speaker 9]Our friend group would joke about if there
[Speaker 9]was one of us that would like be
[Speaker 9]a killer, it would be him, but it

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[Speaker 9]was like meant as a joke and only
[Speaker 9]as a joke. I don't think any of
[Speaker 9]us actually thought that something like that would
[Speaker 9]or could happen.
[Speaker 6]If his friends thought this, was there a
[Speaker 6]chance that his parents did too?
[Speaker 4]Tell me about Brian. Does he have any
[Speaker 4]kind of minimal, issues or disabilities? He's five
[Speaker 4]with he had ADHD. He's five weeks. He

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[Speaker 4]had ADHD. Okay. So we put him on
[Speaker 14]ADHD medicine. I think it's
[Speaker 3]a dentist starting from her
[Speaker 4]a weekend for only medicine. In middle school,
[Speaker 4]he started exhibiting antisocial behavior, just saying things
[Speaker 4]to get kids wrapped up. And then when
[Speaker 4]we switched to Fruita High School, he did
[Speaker 4]okay in ninth grade. Tenth grade, he got

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[Speaker 4]in a lot of trouble, bar behavior issues.
[Speaker 4]Eleventh grade, we had big meetings, and they
[Speaker 4]said, kids don't finish. So we put him
[Speaker 4]in March five for me to come and
[Speaker 4]do some testing for ADHD. My mom, there's
[Speaker 4]vision of that rehab. And the doctor had

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[Speaker 4]said, yes. He's ADHD. Yes. He's autistic. Yes.
[Speaker 4]He's this. Oh, and there's some indications that
[Speaker 4]that he should get further testing because of
[Speaker 4]potential psychosis. And I asked about referrals and
[Speaker 4]calls, and nobody is down to see him.

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[Speaker 4]Okay. Well, he seems to be doing good.
[Speaker 4]You know, he graduated high school. He works
[Speaker 4]at Safeway. And he's been working there for
[Speaker 4]a year in August, and he's never had
[Speaker 4]time. And he said he is not taking
[Speaker 4]his medic or is he on medications now?
[Speaker 4]He's on ADHD medicine k. That he takes
[Speaker 4]before work on his part time job. And

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[Speaker 4]he takes, sertraline, which is an anti anxiety
[Speaker 4]anti depression. Okay. So he's been diagnosed. And
[Speaker 4]to the best of your knowledge, is he
[Speaker 4]actually taking them? Like, do you watch him
[Speaker 4]take them? I don't. Watch him take them?
[Speaker 4]Because I have no lunch that, and every
[Speaker 4]nine at ten PM, I say, Brian, take
[Speaker 4]your medicine. And he says, I know. I

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[Speaker 4]am. And as I looked in his pill
[Speaker 4]container, I mean, it's going you know, seems
[Speaker 4]to seems to be going down. K. So
[Speaker 4]I assume he was eating.
[Speaker 7]K. About, I'm thinking, three years ago? I'm
[Speaker 7]guessing. I don't know. Because he we haven't
[Speaker 7]got a counseling. He's going to counseling, and
[Speaker 7]he just thought about it. You know? See,
[Speaker 7]it just came across his head. It was
[Speaker 7]just and then I think everybody thinks about

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[Speaker 7]it, but I just wanna remember one of
[Speaker 7]the times when he was really lonely, and
[Speaker 7]that was an issue. You know? We were
[Speaker 7]kinda concerned about about that. He made jokes
[Speaker 7]about making nooses or doing that and doing
[Speaker 7]that. Okay.
[Speaker 3]But I
[Speaker 7]don't know. I just played it off as
[Speaker 7]normal talk, but I'm like, you know, Brian,
[Speaker 7]we wouldn't, you know I I didn't know
[Speaker 7]the depth of the water. I don't I
[Speaker 7]don't understand. He's obviously sick. He's obviously very
[Speaker 7]sick, because we've noticed weird things about him.

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[Speaker 7]So he gets cold. Just just he looks
[Speaker 7]at me, and he has this cold look
[Speaker 7]on his face.
[Speaker 6]Just like he's been so far, Brian makes
[Speaker 6]no qualms about admitting his battles with mental
[Speaker 6]health.
[Speaker 14]You think you have a major depressive disorder?
[Speaker 14]I'm just curious what those are.
[Speaker 3]Actually, I have several. I have high functioning
[Speaker 3]Asperger's. I have ADHD Mhmm. And major depressive

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[Speaker 3]disorder. Okay. Major depressive, CDL one, and then
[Speaker 3]they have that last minute.
[Speaker 7]Yeah. I know
[Speaker 14]what they are. I was curious, yeah, if
[Speaker 14]you what the exact diagnosis was and and
[Speaker 14]who diagnosed them?
[Speaker 3]They tested me for autism for a formal
[Speaker 3]diagnosis and diastasis, which is high functioning autism.
[Speaker 3]Yep. And they also said I was schizo

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[Speaker 3]something. That doesn't mean misremembering. They just said
[Speaker 3]you have you're schizo something, whether I be
[Speaker 3]schizophrenia, schizoaffective, schizotypal, or schizoid disorder. He said
[Speaker 3]I was I had something that was schizo.
[Speaker 6]The detectives are once again trying to delve
[Speaker 6]into Brian's psychology, attempting to prove that he

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[Speaker 6]knew right from wrong at the time of
[Speaker 6]the murder. His search history adds another layer
[Speaker 6]to his story as he looked up extreme
[Speaker 6]paranoia, schizoid and paranoid personality disorder, and avoidant
[Speaker 6]personality.
[Speaker 3]I've never formally diagnosed with anything like that.
[Speaker 14]Do you feel like you have that? I
[Speaker 3]Possible to tell. So diagnosing it's foolish.

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[Speaker 14]Yeah. But do you you know, schizophrenia is
[Speaker 14]pretty Extreme. Clear because people I don't have
[Speaker 14]recognize they have a different personality in them.
[Speaker 3]I don't have any hallucinations. Okay. I have
[Speaker 3]I had had delusions, I guess. Okay. Like,
[Speaker 3]years ago, I thought I was obsessed with
[Speaker 3]people staring at me. Okay. I felt people

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[Speaker 3]watching me from every window. The birds were
[Speaker 3]looking at me watching me. Okay. Creative therapist.
[Speaker 3]That was a delusion, I suppose. Okay. Right.
[Speaker 14]But you don't have times where you feel
[Speaker 14]like another personality is in your body? No.
[Speaker 14]That I remember all this.
[Speaker 3]No. That's that's dissociative identity disorder. Right. Schizophrenia

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[Speaker 3]is.
[Speaker 14]But you you have multiple people talking to
[Speaker 14]you at the same time kind of a
[Speaker 14]thing?
[Speaker 3]No. They're almost talking to me. Okay.
[Speaker 6]There's a very good reason they're asking these
[Speaker 6]questions. Because Brian said he has some kind
[Speaker 6]of schizo diagnosis, they're trying to determine if
[Speaker 6]he committed the crime under some kind of
[Speaker 6]command hallucination, which may mean he could be

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[Speaker 6]deemed not guilty by reason of insanity. However,
[Speaker 6]Brian denies having voices in his head. As
[Speaker 6]well, his search history goes far in showing
[Speaker 6]exactly what he was thinking about in the
[Speaker 6]lead up to the murder. One day before
[Speaker 6]and again on the day of the murder,
[Speaker 6]Brian pulled up Wikipedia articles for several notorious

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[Speaker 6]killers, including James Dale Ritchie, Joseph Christopher, and
[Speaker 6]Andrea Yates. In the month leading up to
[Speaker 6]the murder, he also looked up topics such
[Speaker 6]as how do people react to being held
[Speaker 6]at knifepoint, how deadly is a neck stab
[Speaker 6]wound, and he read an article about the
[Speaker 6]killing of a homeless man in Baton Rouge.

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[Speaker 3]What do you think would happen if you
[Speaker 3]got caught? Well, I figured my mother would
[Speaker 3]have confronted me about it, But no, she
[Speaker 3]was she didn't even say it. Do you
[Speaker 3]know who the person was that you killed?
[Speaker 3]No. I took his wallet. I didn't look
[Speaker 3]at it. I just picked it up, briefly
[Speaker 3]scanned over it, and put it in my
[Speaker 3]car. Apparently, it was Warren. My mom told

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[Speaker 3]me this before. She found out that the
[Speaker 3]missing person was Warren Brown, born in sixty
[Speaker 3]three.
[Speaker 6]Brian doesn't seem particularly interested in knowing more
[Speaker 6]about his victim, and the detectives turn Brian
[Speaker 6]back to the subject of the evidence.
[Speaker 3]So we talked about the stuff there we're
[Speaker 3]gonna go look for. Jamal's off from the

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[Speaker 3]second family. I the knife is where my
[Speaker 3]dad found it in the glove box. I
[Speaker 3]don't know where it is.
[Speaker 4]What does a knife look like that you
[Speaker 4]found in the
[Speaker 7]You know when you buy, like, a ten
[Speaker 7]piece knife set, the biggest one in there?
[Speaker 7]K.
[Speaker 4]I think when when we moved the day
[Speaker 4]Terry into the
[Speaker 7]day care, we probably bought all new kitchens,
[Speaker 7]and I think he just took it out
[Speaker 7]of the kitchen. Because we found it in

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[Speaker 7]his car before. But I don't need this.
[Speaker 7]That I do. I don't trust anybody.
[Speaker 3]Okay. You don't find any blood or anything
[Speaker 3]on it. I cleaned it. All these belongings
[Speaker 3]except for this wallet are right here. And
[Speaker 3]it's had in his hands. It's had in
[Speaker 3]his hands. They're at the house. Any reason
[Speaker 3]we're wearing that fleet, we won't use jumpers?
[Speaker 3]You know the movie, Holly, Michael Myers? Mhmm.

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[Speaker 3]He wears one of those. And for Halloween
[Speaker 3]last year, I bought that as a costume.
[Speaker 3]I'm a mask in Peru. Okay. And, yeah,
[Speaker 3]I I just associated that piece of that
[Speaker 3]article of clothing with, violence. That's why I
[Speaker 3]was wearing it that night. Yes.
[Speaker 6]As horrifying as all of this is, nothing

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[Speaker 6]they've heard so far can prepare investigators for
[Speaker 6]the rest of the seismic revelations to come.
[Speaker 6]First, however, detectives have a simple question for
[Speaker 6]the killer sitting before them.
[Speaker 14]Have you ever died at this point? No.
[Speaker 14]No. Okay. You gotta ask, right?
[Speaker 3]Yeah. How about animals? Can you practice on
[Speaker 3]anything? Yes. It's pretty big stuff. Tell me
[Speaker 3]about that. This was twenty eighteen, Halloween. A

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[Speaker 3]stray black cat has been coming around our
[Speaker 3]house. This was before I moved into my
[Speaker 3]mom's. This was at my dad's. And I
[Speaker 3]was thinking about killing him.
[Speaker 6]The video is redacted in this part, but
[Speaker 6]the transcript from the sheriff's office says that
[Speaker 6]Brian told detectives that he herded the cat
[Speaker 6]into a sleeping bag and beat it, strangled
[Speaker 6]it, and snapped its neck. He then decapitated

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[Speaker 6]the cat, hid the body in a shoe
[Speaker 6]box, and hid the head in a wine
[Speaker 6]cork box. It seems clear that Brian has
[Speaker 6]a sick interest in decapitation. There are chilling
[Speaker 6]parallels between what he did to the cat
[Speaker 6]and to Warren, including decapitation and keeping the
[Speaker 6]heads in boxes. Both times, he preyed on
[Speaker 6]those he knew were vulnerable and that he

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[Speaker 6]believed no one would notice.
[Speaker 3]And then I disposed through the trash and
[Speaker 3]got away with it. Okay. And that cap.
[Speaker 3]Did you keep them for a while like
[Speaker 3]you did this guy? Or I kept it
[Speaker 3]for three days, then it started to stink.
[Speaker 3]So when you got to three days and
[Speaker 3]that stinks? Well, also because bacteria starts to
[Speaker 3]close the body after a day to three

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[Speaker 3]days. So
[Speaker 6]The story that Brian might have killed a
[Speaker 6]cat is actually a widespread rumor in Grand
[Speaker 6]Junction.
[Speaker 12]Did you ever hear about Brian, either from
[Speaker 12]him or anybody else, about him killing a
[Speaker 12]cat?
[Speaker 9]Yes. I remember hearing about it, but it
[Speaker 9]also just sounded like made up rumor. So
[Speaker 9]I didn't really, like, think anything about it.
[Speaker 12]Did you ever talk to him directly about
[Speaker 12]it? Like, ask him if it was true?

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[Speaker 3]I did. I don't remember.
[Speaker 12]Do you ever remember him saying, yes. I
[Speaker 12]did that or no. I didn't. Anything like
[Speaker 12]that? Uh-huh. Okay. But you had heard rumors
[Speaker 12]that possibly it happened, but never really got
[Speaker 12]to the bottom of it? Mhmm.
[Speaker 6]Patrick is not the only one to hear
[Speaker 6]rumors of this type and ignore them, saying
[Speaker 6]it was some kind of a sick joke.
[Speaker 19]I know that there was another girl in
[Speaker 19]that class who told me that she lived

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[Speaker 19]near him in that neighborhood and that they
[Speaker 19]were always missing cats, and she felt like
[Speaker 19]he was stealing cats
[Speaker 13]in the neighborhood. And, honestly, I don't remember
[Speaker 13]if I found that out through him or
[Speaker 13]through friends.
[Speaker 12]Mhmm.
[Speaker 13]But, yeah, I definitely know about the cat.
[Speaker 12]Did you believe that, or did you think
[Speaker 12]it was just Brian saying something outrageous?

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[Speaker 13]Honestly, I don't know. I think I believed
[Speaker 13]it, but that I didn't want to because
[Speaker 13]I am a big animal lover, and that's
[Speaker 13]just I didn't wanna see my friend in
[Speaker 13]that kind of light. I remember my friends
[Speaker 13]just talking about how messed up it was.
[Speaker 13]And my friend Sean said that he knew
[Speaker 13]the person whose cat it was, and he
[Speaker 13]was super upset because the cat was, like,
[Speaker 13]super friendly or whatever. But I don't think

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[Speaker 13]I ever heard it around Brian himself.
[Speaker 6]In a redacted portion of the interrogation video,
[Speaker 6]Brian admits to finding a dead groundhog by
[Speaker 6]the side of the road, which he skinned
[Speaker 6]and attempted to make leather out of approximately
[Speaker 6]a year before the murder.
[Speaker 3]It sounds like you killed a cat. Well,
[Speaker 3]actually, I'll say, you know, killing people during
[Speaker 3]the cat, but I wasn't acting on it,

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[Speaker 3]but I started seriously thinking about the killing
[Speaker 3]people a year ago. How about when you
[Speaker 3]were twelve? Did you think about children? No.
[Speaker 3]So what in your life has changed or
[Speaker 3]what in your mind has changed? Do you
[Speaker 3]make your I
[Speaker 3]Was it like something where all of a
[Speaker 3]sudden one day you woke up and thought
[Speaker 3]I'll kill someone, or was it a gradual?
[Speaker 3]Gradual,
[Speaker 14]I think.
[Speaker 3]Can you tell me about when those thoughts
[Speaker 3]were still happening? Well, in high school

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[Speaker 6]The interrogation is again redacted here, but Brian
[Speaker 6]says, quote, call me weird, but I think
[Speaker 6]everyone has had thoughts of shooting up their
[Speaker 6]school. I suppose I just don't really like
[Speaker 6]people.
[Speaker 19]But he wanted to read really bizarre things
[Speaker 19]and things that we didn't have in the
[Speaker 19]library. I remember he actually checked out a
[Speaker 19]book about some of Sam, and then the
[Speaker 19]next quarter, he wanted to read about the

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[Speaker 19]Columbine shootings. He was very obsessed with just
[Speaker 19]that kind of darker stuff.
[Speaker 20]You mentioned a writing assignment. I can't remember
[Speaker 20]anything specific just because it's been so long,
[Speaker 20]but it it does seem like there was
[Speaker 20]at some point something either An idea about
[Speaker 20]calling mine or something like that. I can't
[Speaker 20]remember really the specifics. Okay.
[Speaker 8]It's more of a sense that
[Speaker 20]he had an unhealthy fascination with school shootings.

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[Speaker 6]Back in the interrogation, Brian tells the detectives
[Speaker 6]that this isn't the first time his family
[Speaker 6]has found something unsettling in his room.
[Speaker 3]Last year, my parents found a kit I
[Speaker 3]had been assembling. It had hammers, shovels, knives,
[Speaker 3]larks and ties, duct tape, saw. I wasn't
[Speaker 3]even hurting people. They found it, though, and

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[Speaker 3]I had convinced them it was for other
[Speaker 3]method for other things. And it was an
[Speaker 3]ultimatum where if I didn't throw it away,
[Speaker 3]all that, then they will call the police.
[Speaker 3]And then I would have been arrested on
[Speaker 3]charges of conspiracy. That was last year before
[Speaker 3]Halloween. So what made you put that kit
[Speaker 3]together? That was for nights like that. So

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[Speaker 3]back then, you were thinking about doing that?
[Speaker 3]Yes. That was a hundred dollars. Alright.
[Speaker 6]In an interview, Brian's high school teacher recalls
[Speaker 6]that his parents didn't seem overly interested in
[Speaker 6]his disturbing behavior.
[Speaker 21]We weren't obviously the only class that was
[Speaker 21]having issues with him. And I remember so
[Speaker 21]the day was out with mom, and she
[Speaker 21]kind of I think they said, like, didn't
[Speaker 21]really understand, like, what kinda, like, what's the

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[Speaker 21]big deal sort of thing. Like, she wasn't
[Speaker 21]really like, yeah. This is serious, and we
[Speaker 21]need to get ahead of it. Sound like
[Speaker 21]they didn't get anywhere with her from what
[Speaker 21]I remember.
[Speaker 6]Indeed, a friend of Brian's mom notes that
[Speaker 6]Terry felt that school authorities were unfairly singling
[Speaker 6]out her son.
[Speaker 22]Terry had, like, a binder, I remember, of
[Speaker 22]information that she had conflicts with with district

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[Speaker 22]fifty one.
[Speaker 14]Okay.
[Speaker 22]I know growing up as a kid, he
[Speaker 22]was really teased in school that they would
[Speaker 22]call him, like, four eyes, geek, loser, dork,
[Speaker 22]all that stuff.
[Speaker 6]But the detectives in the interrogation room are
[Speaker 6]more interested about his murderous intentions in the
[Speaker 6]preceding months.
[Speaker 14]I'm really curious when you talked about the
[Speaker 14]hammer and the shovels and the knives and,
[Speaker 14]like, the zip ties. I mean, what was

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[Speaker 14]kind of your plan then? That's a little
[Speaker 14]bit different than
[Speaker 3]you did this time. Oh, yeah.
[Speaker 14]So what was the plan back then?
[Speaker 3]The plan was to go find because there's
[Speaker 3]no prostitutes in Grand Junction out there. Have
[Speaker 3]you ever had any sex crimes? Yeah. There's
[Speaker 3]not prostitutes like five of them standing along
[Speaker 3]the side road, but there's conjunction. Yeah. The
[Speaker 3]plan was to go with one of them

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[Speaker 3]and have them come with me. And then
[Speaker 3]the plan was to subdue them and tie
[Speaker 3]them up and then torture her.
[Speaker 14]So what made you not go back to
[Speaker 14]the same plan and get you know, if
[Speaker 14]you kinda had that as a plan
[Speaker 3]Would I have been caught?
[Speaker 14]Well, I don't know. My point is if
[Speaker 14]you your your folks your mom found herself.
[Speaker 14]Right? Yes. And got rid of it. It.

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[Speaker 14]Why didn't you go back to that plan?
[Speaker 14]Why change plans? Too much risky. I'm in
[Speaker 3]a row. They'll be like, okay. That's really
[Speaker 3]suspicious, but, okay. We forgive you. Don't do
[Speaker 3]it again. Okay. Second time we're out, we're
[Speaker 3]calling the police on you. Oh. I didn't
[Speaker 3]wanna do that again.
[Speaker 14]Okay. Fair enough. And so they didn't call
[Speaker 14]the police?
[Speaker 3]No. Because they gave me an ultimatum. Have

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[Speaker 3]them throw it all away or call the
[Speaker 3]police. So I threw it all away.
[Speaker 6]Detective Norcross does an excellent job showing great
[Speaker 6]interest in Brian's kits and his previous plans,
[Speaker 6]all of which encourages the suspect to keep
[Speaker 6]talking and helps build a strong case against
[Speaker 6]him. At this point, the video is redacted.
[Speaker 6]But according to the transcript, the detectives ask

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[Speaker 6]Brian if he ever expressed any of his
[Speaker 6]dark thoughts to his parents. He tells them
[Speaker 6]yes, but only disguised as jokes. For instance,
[Speaker 6]he once said, quote, wouldn't it be funny
[Speaker 6]if you sold a lipstick with mercury on
[Speaker 6]it to those beauty pageant queens and they
[Speaker 6]got poisoned because of their pride. Brian was
[Speaker 6]making these kinds of comments while in high

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[Speaker 6]school, as his teacher shares.
[Speaker 21]Then he would just say some bizarre things,
[Speaker 21]like to get a rise out of class,
[Speaker 21]kinda to try and get attention on him,
[Speaker 21]like just say a racial slur or, you
[Speaker 21]know, just kinda be loud and obnoxious to
[Speaker 21]try and get attention.
[Speaker 12]Were those outbursts, like, pretty random just in
[Speaker 21]the middle of class? Or Well, like, when
[Speaker 21]I was watching a video, I think it's
[Speaker 21]about, like, Genghis Khan or something, they said
[Speaker 21]something like, you know, an Asian racial slur.

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[Speaker 21]I think it was, oh, he got that
[Speaker 21]or something.
[Speaker 3]Okay.
[Speaker 6]Of course, the matter before investigators today isn't
[Speaker 6]Brian's inappropriate humor, but his actions on the
[Speaker 6]night of the murder, and the revelations from
[Speaker 6]that night are far from over. Brian finally
[Speaker 6]reveals the twisted true story behind his mishap
[Speaker 6]with his car and the river two nights

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[Speaker 6]ago.
[Speaker 1]What were you doing down here, bud?
[Speaker 3]Well, I felt like I needed
[Speaker 11]to get out, and I figured why not
[Speaker 11]park here and just just relax a little
[Speaker 11]bit? Relax and think.
[Speaker 6]As it turns out, Brian's road trip to
[Speaker 6]the Blue Heron boat ramp had absolutely nothing
[Speaker 6]to do with relaxation. He explains to the
[Speaker 6]detectives that after he murdered Warren Barnes, he

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[Speaker 6]returned home to try and sleep.
[Speaker 3]But I was worried that because there was
[Speaker 3]a hole in my glass right here, I
[Speaker 3]was worried that they would be able to
[Speaker 3]obtain a partial print. So I figured it
[Speaker 3]might not go all the way. I drove
[Speaker 3]back in a different outfit, picked up his
[Speaker 3]body surprisingly heavy, put it in my trunk
[Speaker 3]and drove to the Blue Caron drop off
[Speaker 3]station. I parked so it's like this, right?

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[Speaker 3]So let's say this is ground. The ramp
[Speaker 3]is quite steep and you need to have
[Speaker 3]four wheel drive to pull out it. And,
[Speaker 3]my car didn't. So I pulled in. I
[Speaker 3]thought that I could drive out because I
[Speaker 3]put I put in reverse a, so that
[Speaker 3]it's easier to pull the body out and
[Speaker 3]b, because the back tires would provide the

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[Speaker 3]polishing to push up. Right. I open the
[Speaker 3]trunk. I take this body out. I put
[Speaker 3]it in the water. And because I don't
[Speaker 3]want fingerprints on a body, so I just
[Speaker 3]try to move together with my shoes. That
[Speaker 3]works exceptionally. He goes out some part in
[Speaker 3]the river and floats off. Okay. God knows
[Speaker 3]where he is now. Maybe a he. He's

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[Speaker 3]dead. Still away. Okay. Yeah. God knows where
[Speaker 3]he is now. I think my guess was
[Speaker 3]that it would be discovered this morning or
[Speaker 3]next morning. So, keep an eye out for
[Speaker 3]any river related activity. Okay. To another drive
[Speaker 3]out? Yeah.
[Speaker 14]My car didn't go Not from Blue Heron.

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[Speaker 3]Yeah. From Blue Heron. And my car was
[Speaker 3]stuck. I tried putting it full throttle. Mhmm.
[Speaker 3]Yeah. That doesn't work. My car didn't have
[Speaker 3]four wheel drive. It's okay. And so then
[Speaker 3]I tried putting it in low gear. I'm
[Speaker 3]trying everything because that's Right. Right. And it
[Speaker 3]still doesn't come out. And then it slides
[Speaker 3]into the river. Oh. My car slides into

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[Speaker 3]the river, the inside. And so I'm there
[Speaker 3]in a car quickly being flooded with water.
[Speaker 3]Okay. It's the middle of February. It's
[Speaker 14]cold. At night
[Speaker 3]Yeah. In the river that's almost freezing. Yes.
[Speaker 3]I am drenched. Oh. I will look back.
[Speaker 3]So I'm able to climb out. I don't
[Speaker 3]see the body, so I'm I assume to
[Speaker 3]travel a bit. Okay. I come up, and

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[Speaker 3]I'm sitting there. I need to act faster
[Speaker 3]or else I'll die of hypothermia. I'm a
[Speaker 3]I'm panicking a bit this morning. I'm really
[Speaker 3]I mean, this is what I'm gonna be
[Speaker 3]remembered for. Dying of hypothermia and a botched
[Speaker 3]attempt to hide in a body, and I'm
[Speaker 3]just like
[Speaker 6]Once again, we see Brian in good spirits
[Speaker 6]while sharing what could pass as an amusing
[Speaker 6]anecdote if it were not for the horrifying

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[Speaker 6]truth behind what he's describing. His story also
[Speaker 6]shows that he has a preoccupation with how
[Speaker 6]he'll be remembered.
[Speaker 4]And what'd you tell your parents?
[Speaker 14]I mean, you know, obviously, you know, gotta
[Speaker 14]tell them something. The car's in
[Speaker 3]the right house. Yeah. So what I say
[Speaker 3]is that I feel like I need to
[Speaker 3]get out. I often do. I feel like
[Speaker 3]I need to get out and run a
[Speaker 3]box. How do you remember those? Absolutely. So

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[Speaker 3]I'd say that I drive down to Blue
[Speaker 3]Heron Point and just park and just turn
[Speaker 3]on the car and think. And, I tell
[Speaker 3]them that I'm stupid and I park too
[Speaker 3]low and then my car flies in the
[Speaker 3]river. Okay.
[Speaker 14]Did they believe you?
[Speaker 3]Yes. And then the police came. I didn't
[Speaker 3]do a breathalyzer test because I wasn't drinking.
[Speaker 14]Was it the police or the sheriff
[Speaker 3]that you It was the police. Okay.

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[Speaker 6]In addition to the rest of the damning
[Speaker 6]evidence Brian relays to the detectives, he now
[Speaker 6]reveals that he was not intoxicated on the
[Speaker 6]night of the murder, closing off another potential
[Speaker 6]defense in court.
[Speaker 3]However, what immediately caught the police's attention is
[Speaker 3]blood from the body was on the reverse
[Speaker 3]bumper. See, I was so see, I forgot

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[Speaker 3]to wipe it off, And I was so
[Speaker 3]panicked, I wasn't thinking. And so when they
[Speaker 3]pulled it out, they immediately see what on
[Speaker 3]the bumper. And they're all thinking, we really
[Speaker 3]like to get in this trunk. Fools. There
[Speaker 3]is nothing in the trunk. Okay.
[Speaker 7]And that happened this morning?
[Speaker 3]No. They noticed it last they noticed it
[Speaker 3]after I've been sent home at three AM.

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[Speaker 3]Okay. They noticed the blood. But, yeah, this
[Speaker 3]morning, they noticed more blood on the door
[Speaker 3]handle, the other door handle, harder before I
[Speaker 3]was able to throw them
[Speaker 4]on. Sure.
[Speaker 14]So did the cops talk to you guys
[Speaker 14]about that at
[Speaker 4]this point?

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[Speaker 3]Mhmm. Mhmm.
[Speaker 14]Did the cops from the police department, did
[Speaker 14]they talk to
[Speaker 4]you about that this morning?
[Speaker 3]No. I was not in contact. Oh.
[Speaker 6]Brian's car was pulled out of the river
[Speaker 6]in the early morning hours of February twenty
[Speaker 6]eighth, and this interrogation takes place the next
[Speaker 6]day.
[Speaker 3]How they were planning to do with me
[Speaker 3]today is get my insurance information. Sure. And

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[Speaker 3]they were still curious about the blood. Did
[Speaker 3]they ask you about that? No.
[Speaker 15]Because I did not notice it
[Speaker 3]while I was still there.
[Speaker 14]So when you say they were curious about
[Speaker 14]the blood, how do you know that they
[Speaker 14]were curious?
[Speaker 3]Because my parents told me. Oh. They saw
[Speaker 3]the blood too. And they were curious. But
[Speaker 3]I was I said, I don't know where
[Speaker 3]the blood came from. And they thought maybe
[Speaker 3]it was just cut, but obviously a cut

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[Speaker 3]doesn't produce that much blood. And they said
[Speaker 3]maybe it was the recovering access under my
[Speaker 3]arm, but that's scammed up. So they didn't
[Speaker 3]know what to believe this day because it's
[Speaker 3]blood, it's sticky, it's sinewy, but I can't
[Speaker 3]name a source. So they were just a
[Speaker 3]tiny bit curious. Not tiny bit. They were

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[Speaker 3]curious.
[Speaker 6]This is another spot of his oddly placed
[Speaker 6]laughter, showing that he really enjoys talking about
[Speaker 6]the sick details. However, his position of superiority
[Speaker 6]didn't last long. Police do indeed find more
[Speaker 6]blood in and on the car, confirming Brian's
[Speaker 6]tale.
[Speaker 3]And I was worried about just, how long

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[Speaker 3]it would take to find him because it's
[Speaker 3]a somewhat traveled road. But at least have
[Speaker 3]a nose for that type of thing. They're
[Speaker 3]trained to be able to identify the smell
[Speaker 3]of corks. And, obviously, that was botched.
[Speaker 6]The true story of what happened at the
[Speaker 6]boat ramp will come as news to his
[Speaker 6]friend Kylan Lyke, with whom Brian shared a
[Speaker 6]very different account. First, though, on the very

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[Speaker 6]same night that he dumped Warren's body into
[Speaker 6]the river, Brian messaged a group on Discord,
[Speaker 6]which Kylan was part of. He wrote, so,
[Speaker 6]I totaled my car. It's in the river.
[Speaker 6]One of his friends replied, what? You okay?
[Speaker 6]Brian wrote back, yeah. I okay. My car
[Speaker 6]aren't, though.
[Speaker 13]So I said, hey. Are you okay? I

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[Speaker 13]don't have Discord RN, but I heard the
[Speaker 13]news. And he said, yeah. I'm fine. Almost
[Speaker 13]died. LOL. Sorry for the late response. My
[Speaker 13]phone was off. I said, it's okay. What
[Speaker 13]happened? He said, I was out driving, needed
[Speaker 13]to clear my thoughts. So I parked at
[Speaker 13]the boat ramp, drop off at the river,
[Speaker 13]but my dump parks on the dirt and
[Speaker 13]mud ramp. So when I try and leave,
[Speaker 13]it gets stuck. I don't have my phone

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[Speaker 13]on me because it's dead. I tried shimmying
[Speaker 13]it, low gearing it. Nothing works. Then it
[Speaker 13]slides into the river and me inside. I'm
[Speaker 13]able to get out drenched in cold water,
[Speaker 13]one am. I responded, oh my god. He
[Speaker 13]said, it's freezing out in February at night.
[Speaker 13]I know I'll die of hypothermia if I
[Speaker 13]don't act fast. So I make my way
[Speaker 13]onto the road and wait for a car
[Speaker 13]that takes five minutes. I flack him down,

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[Speaker 13]and the Samaritans helped me by letting me
[Speaker 13]use their phone to call my parents and
[Speaker 13]to heat up in their car. I said,
[Speaker 13]Jesus Christ, dude. He said, they arrived. The
[Speaker 13]police are called, and we collectively decide to
[Speaker 13]wait until tomorrow to tow it out. So
[Speaker 13]in summary, I nearly died and am out
[Speaker 13]of a car. It was towed out this
[Speaker 13]morning, but I'm fine. Sorry for the wall
[Speaker 13]of text. That was my Saturday night.
[Speaker 6]The Samaritans Brian mentioned are Durwood Pfeiffer and

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[Speaker 6]his grandson Kellan, who stopped to help him
[Speaker 6]that night. In an interview, Kellan describes Brian's
[Speaker 6]behavior at the boat ramp.
[Speaker 8]During the encounter, before his family got there,
[Speaker 8]he, kept kinda pacing around saying, I'm effed,
[Speaker 8]you know, expletive, and, tried to calm down
[Speaker 8]a little bit because I thought he was
[Speaker 8]kinda concerned about his family finding out he
[Speaker 8]crashed his car in the river or something.
[Speaker 8]And I was like, hey. It's gonna be

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[Speaker 8]okay. You know? It seemed to calm down
[Speaker 8]a little bit, but I just remember it
[Speaker 8]was a little off putting. I just kept
[Speaker 8]on pacing saying, I'm effed. I'm effed. I'm
[Speaker 8]effed. This over and over and over again.
[Speaker 8]So
[Speaker 6]With his attempts to dispose of the body
[Speaker 6]and cover his tracks, Brian is showing clearly
[Speaker 6]that he knows right from wrong. His mindset
[Speaker 6]is further demonstrated by his search history on
[Speaker 6]the day after the murder when he looked

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[Speaker 6]up how to wipe data from Android phone,
[Speaker 6]does a river wash away evidence, how to
[Speaker 6]dispose of organic refuse. His history also contains
[Speaker 6]numerous searches for information on serial killers, a
[Speaker 6]subject Brian has great interest in.
[Speaker 3]I read books. I have a book on
[Speaker 3]forensics.
[Speaker 14]Okay. Did you read the book, the Ted

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[Speaker 14]Bundy book? No. It was on the Internet.
[Speaker 14]Yeah. Okay. Alright. And Pete has studied him
[Speaker 14]too. Yeah. You know? So Great.
[Speaker 3]Do you know who I Ed Gain? No.
[Speaker 3]Ed in California. Yeah. Ed. Ed. Ed. Ed.
[Speaker 3]Ed. Ed. Ed. Ed. Ed. He was He
[Speaker 3]wasn't He wasn't. He wasn't. He wasn't. He
[Speaker 3]wasn't. He wasn't. He wasn't. He wasn't. He
[Speaker 3]wasn't. He wasn't. He He was six foot

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[Speaker 3]nine, three hundred pounds. So can I ask
[Speaker 3]your question, how was all those people did
[Speaker 3]this for some sort of whether they had
[Speaker 3]the face of somebody? What? Was some sexual
[Speaker 3]gravitation in their mind? Criminology, there's different types
[Speaker 3]of I'm not a serial killer by no
[Speaker 3]means. That's what's here because there's there's different
[Speaker 3]types of them. There's organized, disorganized, visionary, visionary.

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[Speaker 3]I'm just wondering what what gets you excited
[Speaker 3]about doing it? Well, I'm not really essentially
[Speaker 3]attracted to it. Okay. I was just asking.
[Speaker 6]Brian's statement that he found no attraction to
[Speaker 6]the concept of murder is doubtful given his
[Speaker 6]excitement at the chance to relive the killing
[Speaker 6]by telling the officers every little detail of
[Speaker 6]the crime. Still, the detectives are determined to

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[Speaker 6]figure out the why behind Brian's gruesome actions.
[Speaker 3]So I'm curious about the cut in the
[Speaker 3]mob, taking parts of him home. Have you
[Speaker 3]ever thought about something you've had, like Ted
[Speaker 3]Bundy sex type stuff? The Ed Kemper just
[Speaker 3]killed people because you wanna kill somebody plus
[Speaker 3]the sex does. So, how about Jeffrey Notley?

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[Speaker 3]Wasn't really he wasn't really inspired by it.
[Speaker 3]It was just more I'm just trying to
[Speaker 3]think of all the people like These people
[Speaker 3]can do it, so can I?
[Speaker 6]Brian's claim that he's not inspired by serial
[Speaker 6]killers is somewhat undermined by that last remark.
[Speaker 6]The following part of the video is redacted,
[Speaker 6]but we know from the transcript that Brian
[Speaker 6]tells the detectives that his nickname in high

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[Speaker 6]school was Jeffrey Dahmer. He says he had
[Speaker 6]a reputation that he would become a serial
[Speaker 6]killer.
[Speaker 19]When we would do different group activities, sometimes
[Speaker 19]we would have, like, different personas or whatever.
[Speaker 19]He'd be like, I'll be Jeffrey. I'm like,
[Speaker 19]no. You're not. I do remember that specifically.
[Speaker 19]He was very obsessed with Jeffrey Dahmer. And
[Speaker 19]is it Dylan Clevel's, the Columbine shooter, was

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[Speaker 19]obsessed with him. I remember actually talking to
[Speaker 19]my mom and saying, take this name to
[Speaker 19]your prayer group. I mean, I remember talking
[Speaker 19]to another teacher and saying, if any kid's
[Speaker 19]gonna shoot a fruit of mine, that is
[Speaker 19]this kid.
[Speaker 6]In an interview, Brian's high school friend, Patrick
[Speaker 6]Rahora, recalls the Halloween party they both attended.
[Speaker 12]Do you remember a costume that he wore?
[Speaker 9]He wore a Jeffrey Dahmer costume.

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[Speaker 12]Okay. And I heard he was also he
[Speaker 12]was Mike Myers one year. Was that he
[Speaker 12]was actually Jeffrey Dahmer? Does that I
[Speaker 9]might have been mixing up the years because
[Speaker 9]there was we had a couple of group
[Speaker 9]parties, but I or I'm sorry. Howling parties.
[Speaker 9]But, yeah, I think he, like, dressed up
[Speaker 9]with serial killer killer a couple of times.
[Speaker 12]When he was, I guess, Jeffrey Dahmer, how
[Speaker 12]would how did that look? I guess, how
[Speaker 12]would how did his costume look?
[Speaker 9]I mean, it was, like, jeans, a plaid

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[Speaker 9]shirt, and, like, big glasses, which honestly was,
[Speaker 9]like, not too entirely different from what he
[Speaker 9]normally wore.
[Speaker 6]His obsession with crime, serial killers, and all
[Speaker 6]things morbid was something that his parents had
[Speaker 6]noticed too.
[Speaker 4]Last percept separation on crime and crime scene.
[Speaker 4]And so he was talking about going into

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[Speaker 4]the military in the fall, and when he
[Speaker 4]gets out, having your job. And so I
[Speaker 4]had purchased online a crime scene investigation book
[Speaker 4]for him. You know, it's like one of
[Speaker 4]the big kids. You probably read it when
[Speaker 4]you first started out in college. And so
[Speaker 4]I gave that to him, and I was
[Speaker 4]like, so here, Brian, you know, let's channel
[Speaker 4]that curiosity into something positive that you can

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[Speaker 4]affect a good change in the world. And
[Speaker 4]he's like, yeah. That's my plan, mom. I'm
[Speaker 4]not gonna say always had a fascination. You
[Speaker 4]know? I'm gonna say in the last few
[Speaker 4]years. And is it, like, shows that he
[Speaker 4]watches or, like, not ready to do things
[Speaker 4]just to create a scene. You know what
[Speaker 4]I mean? Like, whether it's, like, animal stuff
[Speaker 4]or nothing like that. Our dogs. Okay. You

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[Speaker 4]know? I mean, he's very affectionate with our
[Speaker 4]animals. And, you know, he would watch, you
[Speaker 4]know, like, just just last week, he watched
[Speaker 4]Silence of the Lambs. But I was like,
[Speaker 4]well, he's nineteen. What's your you know? We
[Speaker 4]probably all watch that. I I watched it.
[Speaker 4]It doesn't make me a serial killer. You
[Speaker 4]know? Right. And he watched the Zodiac Killer

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[Speaker 4]over the summer a couple of times.
[Speaker 6]Brian's affinity for Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't the only
[Speaker 6]warning sign observed by his teachers.
[Speaker 19]Like, the first week of school, we had
[Speaker 3]a meeting with all of
[Speaker 19]his teachers and his case manager expressing the
[Speaker 19]concerns that they had with him and also
[Speaker 19]explaining some of his behavioral issues.
[Speaker 12]Did anybody, express that they had concerns it

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[Speaker 12]could be a serious safety issue or anything
[Speaker 12]like that?
[Speaker 19]Yes. I believe so. We were to keep
[Speaker 19]a very close eye on him, and it's
[Speaker 19]certainly very apparent early on that he was
[Speaker 19]a very troubled person.
[Speaker 6]In the two thousand nineteen school year, one
[Speaker 6]of Brian's teachers found a notebook filled with
[Speaker 6]a number of disturbing elements.
[Speaker 21]Because I remember we've I don't even remember

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[Speaker 21]who found there was, like, a notebook. I
[Speaker 21]don't know if it's part of a notebook
[Speaker 21]check, my student teacher, another student, or somehow
[Speaker 21]it got brought. We had a meeting with
[Speaker 21]officer Vomar and the administration out of Frutta
[Speaker 21]just because it had some obviously concerning stuff
[Speaker 21]talking about, like, serial killer statistics and stuff.
[Speaker 21]Like, he seemed to be kind of enamored
[Speaker 21]with that. So that was kind of a
[Speaker 21]when they asked us, do we think he

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[Speaker 21]was, like, a threat to us or other
[Speaker 21]students? And me and my student teacher didn't
[Speaker 21]feel like he was gonna do any harm
[Speaker 21]to anyone on the school.
[Speaker 12]So famous serial killers, some information about Yeah.
[Speaker 12]Like Yeah.
[Speaker 21]Kill counts and just stuff like that. Okay.
[Speaker 21]That's not entirely normal.
[Speaker 6]The disturbing contents of the book discussed by
[Speaker 6]Brian's teacher far exceed his initial portrayal. Within

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[Speaker 6]its pages lie numerous troubling entries detailing Brian's
[Speaker 6]fixation on serial killers and other disturbing topics.
[Speaker 6]Among these, Brian has devised his own cryptic
[Speaker 6]code or alphabet. Furthermore, Brian's brief profiles of
[Speaker 6]his favorite killers paint a grim picture of
[Speaker 6]his unhealthy obsession with destruction and depravity. Additionally,

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[Speaker 6]he outlined plans for taking lives and holding
[Speaker 6]strong opinions about his own purpose and actions.
[Speaker 6]The book was also filled with quotes about
[Speaker 6]his beliefs in neutral evil. One such quote
[Speaker 6]read, a neutral evil villain does whatever she
[Speaker 6]can to get away with. She's out for
[Speaker 6]herself, pure and simple. She sheds no tears
[Speaker 6]for those she kills, whether for profit, sports,

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[Speaker 6]or convenience. This is far from the only
[Speaker 6]warning sign that emerged during his time at
[Speaker 6]school. In December of two thousand eighteen, Brian
[Speaker 6]was arrested on assault charges when he hit
[Speaker 6]another student with a homemade mace.
[Speaker 19]When I had kids give speeches, I always
[Speaker 19]told them to get Julian's attention together. And
[Speaker 19]so it was the day of his speech,
[Speaker 19]and he wanted to go first. And he

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[Speaker 19]pulled out this Indiana Jones like whip that
[Speaker 19]he fashioned out of masking tape. So to
[Speaker 19]start the speech, he kept it kept hitting
[Speaker 19]the podium, where several of them looked, and
[Speaker 19]then he gave his speech. Then later that
[Speaker 19]day, you know, he ended up beating or
[Speaker 19]whipping one of our side by side developmentally
[Speaker 19]disabled students at the bus stop.
[Speaker 6]In early two thousand nineteen, he was suspended

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[Speaker 6]after intentionally causing a student with PTSD to
[Speaker 6]suffer a panic attack. In a subsequent meeting,
[Speaker 6]school administrators conclude that Brian has a high
[Speaker 6]potential for violence and presents a high risk
[Speaker 6]for the school. However, despite being apprehended for
[Speaker 6]his behavior and his several run ins with
[Speaker 6]the management at school, Brian's mother, Terri Cohee,

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[Speaker 6]has a strikingly different opinion about the incidents.
[Speaker 4]When you talk about the school stuff and
[Speaker 4]having lots of issues, what were the issues
[Speaker 4]that they were having that made other kiddos
[Speaker 4]not feel safe? He would make jokes that
[Speaker 4]were not appropriate. She got suspended a few
[Speaker 4]times, like, for behavior that wasn't acceptable. Like,

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[Speaker 4]this one girl that he knows very well,
[Speaker 4]he knows that she has a lot of
[Speaker 4]issues, and that loud noises frighten her. And
[Speaker 4]so, you know, one
[Speaker 3]of his closest intentions was
[Speaker 4]when he came up to her in the
[Speaker 4]hallway, and, oh, it's really loud next door,
[Speaker 4]you know, knowing that it would put her
[Speaker 4]in a panic. And she cried, and we
[Speaker 4]were like, yep. Nope. You knew that would

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[Speaker 4]upset her, and you did it anyway. And
[Speaker 4]he got suspended for, weapons, but it was
[Speaker 4]there was another boy who brought in nunchucks
[Speaker 4]to school on the school bus. Bus. And
[Speaker 4]Brian was like, wow. Cool. And I think
[Speaker 4]this was in eleventh grade. And so Brian
[Speaker 4]was like, I think Brian had given out
[Speaker 4]some candy to some kids on the bus.

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[Speaker 4]And so I was like, can I check
[Speaker 4]those out? He was like, I'll bring you
[Speaker 4]in so I could give you some candy.
[Speaker 4]So Brian gave the kid candy, and the
[Speaker 4]next day, the kid comes on the bus
[Speaker 4]with two sets of momchucks. One are glass,
[Speaker 4]and the other one, because they're, like, rubber.
[Speaker 4]I don't know. I don't I never actually
[Speaker 4]saw them. He's like, I know I can't
[Speaker 4]take the glass ones because I'd be in

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[Speaker 4]trouble for that. So he took the rubber
[Speaker 4]ones and put them in his backpack. I
[Speaker 4]don't know what's in his backpack or in
[Speaker 4]his jacket. There was some differentiating stories. So
[Speaker 4]the teacher saw them, and they said, what's
[Speaker 4]that, Brian? And he was like, nothing. You
[Speaker 4]know? And so, also, Mark, you know, he
[Speaker 4]decided, you know, we have a prohibited weapon

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[Speaker 4]on school grounds. And I'm like, okay. Well,
[Speaker 4]what about the other kid that brought them
[Speaker 4]in? And they said, that kid doesn't have
[Speaker 4]the behavior issues that Brian has. And I'm
[Speaker 4]like, oh, so you're punishing Brian because he
[Speaker 4]has behavior issues. I see. So Brian went
[Speaker 4]through probation, and he completed it successfully.
[Speaker 6]In fact, his father, Brian Cohee senior, believed
[Speaker 6]that his son was incapable of such violence.

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[Speaker 7]He's got friends that he hangs around with.
[Speaker 7]You know, respectable friends. Not friends that would
[Speaker 7]ever not those kind
[Speaker 4]of friends. Sure. Clean, good friends. Okay.
[Speaker 3]You know,
[Speaker 7]the the the worst they have is they
[Speaker 7]play video games. They drink too much Pepsi.
[Speaker 14]It's weird. We don't think that we're doing
[Speaker 14]good.
[Speaker 7]Our kids are both doing good. They're they're
[Speaker 7]okay school. They don't drink
[Speaker 3]or smoke. So I didn't
[Speaker 7]really have any no warnings that this was
[Speaker 7]gonna happen. No. You know, you you may

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[Speaker 7]see a cuss with one someone. Okay. No.
[Speaker 7]He's never never hit anybody ever. Okay. He
[Speaker 7]got in trouble for the tape ball
[Speaker 3]at school three or four years ago.
[Speaker 4]Okay.
[Speaker 3]And
[Speaker 7]they I think they they wrote him up
[Speaker 7]for it because it
[Speaker 14]hit somebody. But the football player
[Speaker 7]was gonna nail it. Yeah. It's like football.
[Speaker 7]But Brian, he just didn't it's like he
[Speaker 7]got in trouble for that. He's never hit
[Speaker 7]anybody. He's just like his dad. Mean, I've

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[Speaker 7]never been to fight, man. I know I
[Speaker 7]thought I just saw you as gonna be
[Speaker 7]a spin off of me because he's nonviolent,
[Speaker 7]but, he's not. He I don't know what's
[Speaker 7]going on now.
[Speaker 6]But Brian often resorted to social media as
[Speaker 6]an outlet to share his ideas. His dark
[Speaker 6]thoughts were further reinforced by his posts on
[Speaker 6]various social media accounts, pictures, and comments about

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[Speaker 6]his beliefs and mental health. His comments on
[Speaker 6]Reddit were often on posts depicting mutilations and
[Speaker 6]injuries. In an ask me anything on Reddit,
[Speaker 6]Brian wrote, I'm a seventeen year old nobody
[Speaker 6]who is failing his classes. When someone posted
[Speaker 6]asking about him, Brian answered, I have a
[Speaker 6]counselor, but he assigned me to someone else

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[Speaker 6]because I was beyond his skill set. I'm
[Speaker 6]also going to get a neuropsychological evaluation because
[Speaker 6]of my irresponsibility. I can't really use any
[Speaker 6]of my friends for support because they'd make
[Speaker 6]fun of me.
[Speaker 15]Then we did have that meeting with, SRO,
[Speaker 15]and Jeremy and I went in there and
[Speaker 15]we briefed him on it. And I reiterated
[Speaker 15]to him, I was like, but this kid

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[Speaker 15]is really gonna need some help in counseling
[Speaker 15]right now. He's like, all the flags are
[Speaker 15]up.
[Speaker 6]In fact, even the Samaritan who helped him
[Speaker 6]at the boat ramp on the evening he
[Speaker 6]was dumping Warren's body, Kellen Pfeiffer, was at
[Speaker 6]school with him and had a few things
[Speaker 6]to say about Brian's behavior. I just
[Speaker 8]remember my friends kinda complained. And one of
[Speaker 8]my friends, Isaac, just did not like being

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[Speaker 8]in the same bus as him. He found
[Speaker 8]him very obnoxious. And he complained with him
[Speaker 8]a few times to me. I never really
[Speaker 8]took too much notice at the time. He
[Speaker 8]was like, dude, this kid won't show up
[Speaker 8]on the bus, and he says the most
[Speaker 8]inappropriate stuff. And I'm just like, yeah. And
[Speaker 8]he was like, I hate the kid. And,
[Speaker 8]I never really, like I said, took much
[Speaker 8]of a note because it was kinda like
[Speaker 8]at that point, like, oh, yeah. People are
[Speaker 8]like that. You know? Some people are just

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[Speaker 8]annoying.
[Speaker 3]So give some of your you've been thinking
[Speaker 3]about all the other things. People are gonna
[Speaker 3]decide you wanna be a serial killer. Believe
[Speaker 3]it's probably fine. For a while, I was
[Speaker 3]willing to do anything good or bad. I
[Speaker 3]was here to go. So I was willing
[Speaker 3]to do anything whether it be good or
[Speaker 3]bad. Just a variety of fame in Florence.

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[Speaker 6]Brian's comments about fame hinted a possible motive,
[Speaker 6]but we still don't know the ultimate reason
[Speaker 6]behind his horrific actions. In the hopes of
[Speaker 6]drawing that reason out of him, detectives now
[Speaker 6]take him one more time through the story
[Speaker 6]of the gruesome killing. And this time, we
[Speaker 6]get details that are even more monstrous than
[Speaker 6]what we've learned thus far.

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[Speaker 3]Did he see you? No. He was not
[Speaker 3]woken up until I pulled the sheets back.
[Speaker 3]I don't want this to happen. I actually
[Speaker 3]pulled the sheets back. And before you stab
[Speaker 3]him to his kneel? No. And I pulled
[Speaker 3]the sheets back, I get on him like
[Speaker 3]I need and then stab him and he
[Speaker 3]wakes up. He's why are you down right
[Speaker 3]now yeah and I think you stabbed him
[Speaker 3]anywhere besides that I know you said the

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[Speaker 3]neck a lot of times how many times
[Speaker 3]do you think each time no I'll go
[Speaker 3]ahead until he stopped okay how many just
[Speaker 3]your best idea how many times? Thirty or
[Speaker 3]forty. Okay. So the neck, besides cutting his
[Speaker 3]arms well, actually, it was a general assault.
[Speaker 3]I was mainly targeting his neck because that'll

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[Speaker 3]kill his vulnerable area. I was stabbing his
[Speaker 3]head anywhere in that general area. I I
[Speaker 3]stabbed his head multiple times. What is his
[Speaker 3]chest? His stomach? His chest, I stabbed once
[Speaker 3]through the ribs. Which hand were you using?
[Speaker 3]Right hand. It was his right ribs, and
[Speaker 3]I just went I sliced open his belly
[Speaker 3]carved up his leg not like I I

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[Speaker 3]made several slices out of his leg why
[Speaker 3]did you do that? I was just doing
[Speaker 3]everything I thought of at the moment then
[Speaker 3]I cut off his head I gave him
[Speaker 3]a Glasgow smile it's a a joker smile
[Speaker 3]but why were you doing that? I suppose
[Speaker 3]it was a frenzy I was so excited
[Speaker 3]so I rushed up on adrenaline there every

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[Speaker 3]day And, I paused and he said, why
[Speaker 3]are you doing this? And I said, I've
[Speaker 3]been wanting to do this for a long
[Speaker 3]time.
[Speaker 6]Brian has used very little vulgar language up
[Speaker 6]to this point in the conversation. Between that
[Speaker 6]and the exactness of his quote, it's easy
[Speaker 6]to believe that this is an accurate recollection.

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[Speaker 3]So let's talk about before he was sure
[Speaker 3]he was dead. When all did you stab
[Speaker 3]him before he was dead? No worry about
[Speaker 3]the head and neck. K. When did you
[Speaker 3]stab him in the chest? After he perished.
[Speaker 3]Okay. And how did you know he perished?
[Speaker 3]He let out a final gas. Okay. And
[Speaker 3]he, he wasn't fighting later on. He was
[Speaker 3]losing too much energy, let alone. And he

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[Speaker 3]just finally gassed, and I needed to make
[Speaker 3]sure. Peace of mind, so I needed him
[Speaker 3]partially as for the pelvis. So let's try
[Speaker 3]to go step by step. He said he's
[Speaker 3]standing with a neck and a head while
[Speaker 3]he's alive. Yes. I paused. We had a
[Speaker 3]conversation where he said, why are you doing
[Speaker 3]this? And I said, I felt like you're
[Speaker 3]in this room of time. I continued he

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[Speaker 3]died deceased where he put her on and
[Speaker 3]then I stabbed his ribs opened up his
[Speaker 3]belly sliced his leg multiple times okay dewrote
[Speaker 3]him and then decapitated him removed his his
[Speaker 3]hands his joints did you derail him before
[Speaker 3]or after you opened the paddling after I
[Speaker 3]opened his belly so you cut through his

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[Speaker 3]claws open no I lifted up his shirt
[Speaker 3]which way did you go Like, if you're
[Speaker 3]in this way or like this way? No.
[Speaker 3]This way across the top.
[Speaker 6]If what Brian has admitted to so far
[Speaker 6]has not put a sick feeling in your
[Speaker 6]stomach, the gory details to come will surely
[Speaker 6]do so.
[Speaker 3]He was I didn't see his heart or
[Speaker 3]anything? No. He was very thin. I thought

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[Speaker 3]about taking that. What level do you think
[Speaker 3]he saw? What do you think? What do
[Speaker 3]I think? What do I internally, what did
[Speaker 3]you say? I saw his liver, his large
[Speaker 3]and small intestine, and that's it. Some of
[Speaker 3]it was, you know, I was thinking about
[Speaker 3]taking out his heart. I was thinking about
[Speaker 3]crushing the ribs and disemboweling him entirely. Okay.
[Speaker 3]Did you disembowel at all or just cut

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[Speaker 3]him open? I cut him open, but his
[Speaker 3]organs spilled out by themselves when I was
[Speaker 3]dumping him. Did you take anything besides the,
[Speaker 3]like, anything internally? No. And how did you
[Speaker 3]know it was his liver? I mean, you
[Speaker 3]were gliding or how do you know it's
[Speaker 3]somebody's liver when you open up? It's dark,
[Speaker 3]purple, brownish. It's large up here. I just

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[Speaker 3]knew it was a little bit I've taken
[Speaker 3]anatomy and physiology. Okay. So I knew it
[Speaker 3]was as much. I was just curious. You've
[Speaker 3]never seen one before. You're just guessing or
[Speaker 3]I, you know, I've seen some.
[Speaker 6]These nauseating details are quickly followed by another
[Speaker 6]shocking piece of information about the night in
[Speaker 6]question.
[Speaker 3]Did you take any pictures that night? Yes.

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[Speaker 3]But I deleted them entirely. Where did you
[Speaker 3]take pictures? After I killed him, I took
[Speaker 3]a picture of him, his hands, but I
[Speaker 3]deleted all those because those are evidence. Okay.
[Speaker 3]I don't know if you can find them.
[Speaker 3]But When
[Speaker 14]you say you deleted them entirely, that's an
[Speaker 14]interesting statement. What do
[Speaker 3]you mean by that? I removed them from
[Speaker 3]my phone. Bleed the pictures. Okay.
[Speaker 6]With some assistance from the US Secret Service,

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[Speaker 6]investigators are able to extract the deleted photos
[Speaker 6]from Brian's phone. Nonetheless, Brian's care in deleting
[Speaker 6]the pictures once again show that he was
[Speaker 6]highly interested in covering his tracks, showing us
[Speaker 6]everything we need to know about his state
[Speaker 6]of mind in the wake of this awful
[Speaker 6]murder.
[Speaker 3]Did you tell anybody about what you did
[Speaker 3]before today? No. I haven't told anyone I

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[Speaker 3]had committed murder.
[Speaker 6]Yet that very morning, Brian texted his friend
[Speaker 6]Kylan Lyke, asking if he can come over
[Speaker 6]to talk. Once at the house, Brian concocted
[Speaker 6]a story that Kylan's husband, James Bailey, thought
[Speaker 6]was ridiculous.
[Speaker 15]What I remember, he came over. He was
[Speaker 15]acting super weird, and he was like, I
[Speaker 15]gotta tell you guys something. I think the
[Speaker 15]police are trying to frame me for a

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[Speaker 15]murder. I found a body. I was, like,
[Speaker 15]messing with it, and I got my car
[Speaker 15]stuck in the river. And I had wiped
[Speaker 15]blood that I had on my hand onto
[Speaker 15]the car, and the tow truck guy saw
[Speaker 15]it. And, like, I think they're gonna try
[Speaker 15]to frame me. I thought that he was
[Speaker 15]I thought that, like I said, at most,
[Speaker 15]he had found one
[Speaker 12]Okay.
[Speaker 15]And was just trying to be edgy because

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[Speaker 15]he found one or something like that or
[Speaker 15]even to the point where he could've just
[Speaker 15]been making it all up just because, again,
[Speaker 15]I didn't know him personally.
[Speaker 3]I was planning to maybe keep a finger.
[Speaker 3]Yeah. Go that far. Yeah. Yeah. My finger
[Speaker 3]is small. Not that much space. I don't
[Speaker 3]want to sell that much. Makes sense. He
[Speaker 3]could keep.
[Speaker 6]Brian has provided the detectives with everything they

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[Speaker 6]could possibly wanna know about the murder. He's
[Speaker 6]detailed the killing not once, but twice, and
[Speaker 6]he's even revealed stomach churning details about the
[Speaker 6]disposal of the body. The one question that
[Speaker 6]remains, however, is an enormous one. Why? And
[Speaker 6]Brian's reason why is perhaps the most twisted
[Speaker 6]aspect of all.

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[Speaker 4]You know, Brian, I have to
[Speaker 14]ask a lot of people that we have
[Speaker 14]talked with, you know, I went, oh
[Speaker 4]my god. Oh, they're just not as well
[Speaker 4]spoken. Yes.
[Speaker 14]You are, to be honest, and you're very
[Speaker 14]articulate. You're very articulate. I think
[Speaker 3]I'm bad with words. No.
[Speaker 14]I actually think you're really articulate. And you
[Speaker 14]you talked about you were just kind of
[Speaker 14]in a bad space that night. It was.
[Speaker 3]Yes. Okay.

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[Speaker 14]Why was you in a bad space?
[Speaker 3]I didn't take my medicine. And plus for
[Speaker 3]years, I was wondering what murder would feel
[Speaker 3]like because hit Monday and the zodiac. They
[Speaker 3]all say murder is the best in the
[Speaker 3]world. So I'm like, I'm gonna try that.
[Speaker 3]So for some time, I had been wondering
[Speaker 3]when it would happen. I always knew I

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[Speaker 3]would be in this building, whether it was
[Speaker 3]as a criminal or a police officer.
[Speaker 6]As shocking as it is that Brian's motivation
[Speaker 6]comes down to a simple matter of sick
[Speaker 6]curiosity, his last remark is almost more unbelievable.
[Speaker 6]As mundane and evil as Brian's motive may
[Speaker 6]seem, it's not one he made any attempt
[Speaker 6]to hide. Even as he first talked to

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[Speaker 6]police in front of his house, the young
[Speaker 6]killer was fully upfront about his curiosity.
[Speaker 2]Like, for real human head and hands?
[Speaker 3]Yes. From? That fellow who went missing recently.
[Speaker 3]Which fellow was that? Warren Brown. Warren Brown.
[Speaker 3]When did he go missing? The ninth of
[Speaker 3]the twenty seventh. Okay.
[Speaker 2]And how did you end up with him?
[Speaker 3]I murdered him. With what? A knife. Why

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[Speaker 3]would you have done that? I've always wondered
[Speaker 3]what murder felt like.
[Speaker 6]Brian's teachers were all asked an identical question.
[Speaker 12]When he when Brian was arrested, were you
[Speaker 12]surprised to hear that? No.
[Speaker 19]I was not at all. Yeah.
[Speaker 21]I remember when I saw a story on
[Speaker 21]the news and, you know, you're like, that
[Speaker 21]name sounds so familiar. And you're like, I
[Speaker 21]guess I wasn't surprised if that makes sense.

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[Speaker 7]I mean,
[Speaker 20]I've been doing this for twenty three years,
[Speaker 20]and I know you can't really go off
[Speaker 20]gut feelings, but it just I just always
[Speaker 20]felt empty around Ryan. Like, there was you
[Speaker 20]know, I'm just, like, he needed much more
[Speaker 20]help than we could offer him in a
[Speaker 20]public school setting. And so when I saw
[Speaker 20]that, I hated to see. I wasn't necessarily
[Speaker 20]surprised that his path could have led to
[Speaker 20]that point.
[Speaker 15]Were you surprised to hear about what happened

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[Speaker 15]on the news? No. I wasn't. I I
[Speaker 15]was more let down by the system because,
[Speaker 15]like, we had called it out that he
[Speaker 15]needed help, like, with all those kind of
[Speaker 15]flags were going off Uh-huh. And it still
[Speaker 15]happens.
[Speaker 6]Back in the interrogation, the detectives try to
[Speaker 6]find out if Brian's curiosity was satisfied by
[Speaker 6]the murder.
[Speaker 3]So to see what it felt like, what

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[Speaker 3]it feel like, it was intense. It was
[Speaker 3]rushing the journey. My whole body was shaking.
[Speaker 3]Not like out of fear. It was like
[Speaker 3]it wasn't yeah. It wasn't fear. It was
[Speaker 3]just pure what's the word? Excitement, I suppose.
[Speaker 3]Not excitement as in joy. Just excitement as

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[Speaker 3]in increased heartbeat Mhmm. Sweating, that type of
[Speaker 3]thing. Okay. Yeah. Although I wasn't breaking this
[Speaker 3]sweat killing the guy. It was quite easy.
[Speaker 3]Did you enjoy it or not enjoy it?
[Speaker 3]Did I enjoy it? I don't know. Just
[Speaker 3]sort of being told about the whole thing.
[Speaker 3]I didn't enjoy it, but I didn't hate

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[Speaker 3]it. If I go back to the night,
[Speaker 3]I wouldn't have done it knowing what's it
[Speaker 3]felt like knowing how this will all turn
[Speaker 3]out. I wouldn't have done it. What did
[Speaker 3]you think it was gonna be? I thought
[Speaker 3]it would be the best c nine in
[Speaker 3]the world.
[Speaker 14]So you said you didn't feel much of

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[Speaker 14]anything?
[Speaker 3]Excitement. Oh, that's right. Okay. But other than
[Speaker 3]that, no. Well, let us step out and
[Speaker 3]figure out what what we're doing next. Okay?
[Speaker 3]Okay.
[Speaker 6]The interrogation is over, and Brian seems highly
[Speaker 6]satisfied with how he's cooperated with the detectives.
[Speaker 6]He's enjoyed every minute of this conversation, and
[Speaker 6]it seems that he at least partially achieved

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[Speaker 6]what he set out to do. He seems
[Speaker 6]to see himself in the same league as
[Speaker 6]infamous killers, such as Ted Bundy. Brian may
[Speaker 6]be done talking on camera, but he still
[Speaker 6]has one last comment to make. According to
[Speaker 6]detective Berg's official report, when he walked Brian
[Speaker 6]to the booking department, Brian smiled and said,

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[Speaker 6]I feel like Hannibal Lecter right now. Brian
[Speaker 6]Cohee junior plead not guilty by reason of
[Speaker 6]insanity in January two thousand twenty two. This
[Speaker 6]plea triggered a psychological evaluation. Noting the matter
[Speaker 6]of fact way he presented the details of
[Speaker 6]the murder, the doctors asked him how he
[Speaker 6]felt about the killing in retrospect. Brian said,

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[Speaker 6]quote, yeah. It's just kind of a thing
[Speaker 6]that happened. It sucks, but it happened. When
[Speaker 6]asked what about it sucks, Brian mentioned that
[Speaker 6]he was now locked up, couldn't see his
[Speaker 6]friends, and emphasized that he really missed video
[Speaker 6]games and the Internet. He did not, however,
[Speaker 6]express any remorse for the victim.
[Speaker 7]I don't know what's gonna happen now.
[Speaker 3]I don't know how we gotta get

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[Speaker 7]some kind of advice to find out what
[Speaker 7]to do. If she has her own business
[Speaker 7]here, and I have my own business, and
[Speaker 7]I carry the same man's name as my
[Speaker 7]son. Right. And I and now as soon
[Speaker 7]as it's gonna be all in the paper,
[Speaker 7]Brian Cohi killed somebody. Right now, we can't
[Speaker 7]do anything. Well Yeah. We can't go anywhere.
[Speaker 7]We can't I'm not working anymore. She can't
[Speaker 7]have any more kids anymore. It's all everything's
[Speaker 7]over. It's all done now. It's over. Our

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[Speaker 7]lives are totally over.
[Speaker 6]A jury ultimately rejected the insanity defense and
[Speaker 6]found Brian Cohee junior guilty on one count
[Speaker 6]of evidence tampering, two counts of tampering with
[Speaker 6]a deceased human body, and one count of
[Speaker 6]murder in the first degree.
[Speaker 3]Because, I mean, Murray going to jail for
[Speaker 3]this fifteen years, probably.

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[Speaker 6]Contrary to Brian's estimations, he was sentenced to
[Speaker 6]life in prison without the possibility of parole.
[Speaker 6]He's currently serving out his sentence at Buena
[Speaker 6]Vista Correctional Complex in Colorado Springs. Monique Lenotti
[Speaker 6]reflected on how she would want her friend
[Speaker 6]to be remembered.
[Speaker 10]If I had to say one word about
[Speaker 10]Lauren, he was amazing.

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[Speaker 6]A permanent metal art memorial was installed next
[Speaker 6]to Monique's bridal downtown, carefully crafted to reflect

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