July 16, 2023 • 53 mins
I started recording this episode on Easter Sunday, and I have recorded clips that hopefully make sense to everyone listening. xoxo
Warning. The following consists of triggering events and narrations of actual crime scene evidence. Caution is strongly advised especially for listeners under the age of 13. The show features descriptions of Murder, Sexual Assault, and Violence. Listener discretion is advised.
A young woman, with two small children were home and the older child witnessed the most horrendous thing that can happen in this life time.
For photos pertaining to this case, check out the Stacey Johnson post on the instagram https://instagram.com/tcwtarkansaspod?igshid=MjEwN2IyYWYwYw==
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30 times the time What's up? What's up?
What's? Up.
How y'all doing? How's the weather?
Where you are? How is life treating you?
How do you feel today? I know I'm asking those
questions and you're probably like girl, I'm not telling you
anything. But I'm asking you those
questions. Because I would love it.
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I love it when people ask me those questions.
So welcome back to True Crime with A Twist, Macon Arkansas.
My name is Akina and I'm the podcast host.
I'm here today to introduce you to a new case to hopefully shot
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bring. Flight to the victim as well as
to talk about the assailant of the crime.
And I also just want to kind of catch up with you guys first,
because I've been gone for a while.
It's been months since I recorded an actual episode.
I know I did stop by for a second in December to just kind
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of let you know that I've been gone for a while and.
Let me give you kind of like a quick update.
So December, I graduated from college with my second degree,
with a second bachelor's degree.I started working a new job in
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October. I liked the job.
It's different, it's very different and it's something I
never in the million years thought I would do.
Let's see. Life is life, and for sure.
Ups downs, lefts rights, U turns.
All of. Everything that can go on, then
go on my little I have, so I have two Chihuahuas and they
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fight like cats and dogs. Specifically like cats because
they both both are cats but theylove each other dearly.
Lucy's birthday was in February.She turned 6.
Shadows birthday is in May. He'll be one.
They're my babies. Those are my sweet baby Childs.
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So life, there has been so much going on and there is so much
going on in the world right now and I just want to first make
sure everyone is doing OK. And I know I asked this like a
few seconds ago, but really, areyou OK?
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If not, will you please take advantage of any resources
available to help you get through whatever get through
whatever problems, mentally, physically or emotionally that
you're having? Because you are a valuable
person in life, You're a valuable person in your
community, and you're a valuableperson to this world.
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You're an asset first, I would like to say.
Today is Easter. It's Easter Sunday.
So happy Easter to everyone who celebrates Easter, I'm not
really sure. And I'll be the first to admit.
I might not be the first to admit this, but I'm not good
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with holidays, so I don't know who else celebrates.
You know what other holidays go on around this time?
But yeah, let's see second. Today's case is very gruesome.
And by gruesome I mean it's it'sthe case.
It's it's the case. Third, I just want you all to
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know that I'm always here to spread information to talk to.
Whoever is willing to listen about how I think about these
things. So about these cases, there's no
right or wrong way to approach your thoughts as far as like the
cases go, if that makes sense. So like this is.
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My. Opinion.
Yes, I'm using sources. I'm referring to these sources,
but at the end of the at the endof it.
This is how I think about it. So.
I'm not like I did not go to school with this.
These are my opinions and only my opinions.
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And I will not be touching on new cases.
Most of the cases, all of the cases that I cover here on this
channel will be. Solely solved older cases or I
mean there will? Be long as the case has a
judgment. A judgment has been made.
I'm willing to speak on it. That's what I mean.
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As of right now and. As of before, I did not.
Have a. True recording schedule I just
recorded. When I felt.
Like it? I want to start and get a
recording schedule. I want to start recording on the
schedule so like I can have. I can get my thoughts out if it
makes sense. And I know they say it takes
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like 21 two weeks to 21 days to build a habit.
So I feel like if I. Approach this podcast the way I
want to approach new, new, healthier coping mechanisms.
Then I can record more frequently from like without
burning myself out if it makes sense.
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Because before I was just dumping information and I was
not taking time to think. Hey, kina.
Like a second and breathe. It was just like, I got to get
this episode, get it out, get itout, get out, get out, get out.
But now I want to take the time to actually, you know, like make
a schedule, upload on that schedule.
That way I don't disappear for months again because whenever I
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don't have a schedule, I don't do it.
I would like to record and. Release these episodes weekly.
That way I can just kind of, youknow, get through it.
Because to me, my podcast is kind of like a the audio Journey
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journal so. It's like me.
Talking to my journal. But you all are listening.
And I greatly appreciate everyone who's listening.
And I pray that we can extend and and you know, make the
population of people who listen to this podcast way bigger.
So with that being said, if you like this podcast, feel free to
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write this podcast, feel free toshare this podcast, feel free to
talk to me. I got an e-mail.
We have e-mail. Well, I have e-mail set up for
this podcast. I also have an Instagram page
where I will try my hardest to post pictures of the victims as
well as the sailor of the crime weekly.
And I will also put my filming schedule on Instagram.
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All of the social media sites where the podcast is available
or where I'm available to talk about the podcast, those will be
listed in the comments section. And again, feel free to always
reach out, make suggestions. I'm I'm a very good listener and
I I like to take everything intoconsideration.
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So with all that being said, let's jump into this case.
What's up? Y'all we back, we back like 4
flats on the Cadillac again. This this case is very bad.
It's it's violent, it's horrible.
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I really don't have any other words, but it's violent.
It's horrible. It's treacherous.
It's heinous, heinous, heinous. It is something that.
I don't even know how to tell you what it is because it's bad.
Like there's one thing to kill somebody, but there's a
completely different type of killing right here.
Y'all gonna hear it. So again, that warning.
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I'm saying it again. Warning.
The following consists of triggering events and narrations
of actual crime scene evidence. Caution is strongly advised,
especially for listeners under the age of 13 this show.
Features descriptions of murder,sexual assault and violence.
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Listener discretion is advised. And I just wanted to go in there
and say that again, because whatI'm going to tell you is
horrible and if you can't, if you if this makes you feel any
type of way, just. You scroll past it because, I
mean, I completely understand feeling horrible after watching
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like a true crime show or something.
You know, something that just makes your spirit feel weird.
So if this is too much for you, feel free to keep going.
I'm not going to hold it againstyou.
I'll see you on the next episode.
Okay. So.
Let's see how this goes. I've been trying to record this
one episode for months and I had.
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I guess you call the writer's block shit.
I don't know. I had not writer's block, but I
just had a mental block. Let's say that.
And with that mental block, I I haven't had energy or the desire
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to do anything. But this is one thing that's
been on my mind. Stop.
It's kind of like in one of those file cabinets in the back
of my brain. And I want to do this episode,
finish this episode and publish this episode because it's been a
fucking year. A year to update on things.
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I have a beautiful new job. Well, it'll be new to Y'all.
I've been here there since October.
I got a new car because my othercar said FUCKYOU.
My relationship with my mom is the best it's ever been.
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My therapist and therapy are helping me significantly.
My doctors, I'm really thankful because, like, I'm medically
complex if you ask me. Like I say that, but like
somebody else might tell you something different.
Shadow turned one, and he's terrible.
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I love him so much. Lucy is a little chunky woman.
She is 7 or I believe she's six or seven.
Like if I wouldn't have said nothing, I'd be able to tell
you. Let's see what else has
happened. I'm definitely still a
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irresponsible adult AKA child. So the episode today.
Is kind of horrible, but it's kind of recent.
And by recent I mean in the last20 years.
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It's a difficult case to hear. So here's a warning.
The following consists of triggering events.
And narrations of actual crime scene evidence and the crime
scene Caution is strongly advised, especially for
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listeners under the age of 13. However, if you are anywhere
between however old you are whenyou discover podcasts and 18, I
don't think you should listen tothis.
But if you do take that up with your parents, don't take that up
with me. The show features descriptions
of murder, sexual assault, and violence.
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Listener discretion is advised this week as in since March of
last year. This week we will be discussing
the heinous murder of an Arkansas woman.
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Excuse me? An Arkansas woman at the hands
of a man named Stacy Johnson. He is currently incarcerated in
Arkansas, the last. So in like 2015, he was one of
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the people that they were tryingto execute when the drugs were
about to expire, I believe. And he's one of the few men who
were were not executed. Although disturbing in how the
crime played out we let's let usso me and you and whoever else
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is listening try to see if we can figure out why we know The
Who we know what happened. We know well we quote UN quote
know what happened. We know when.
We don't know why, but we do know how.
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So to jump in, Y'all know I liketo ask y'all questions.
So let me ask you questions because I want a couple of
answers. So my first question is who was
the governor of Arkansas in 1993?
I'll give you a few seconds to give me an answer.
Look it up. Hit doctor Google up.
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But let me know who was the governor of Arkansas in 1993?
So here's the answer. Bill Clinton left the office in
1992 and when he left the office, so I'm assuming like
January. I like to include these details
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because that's what I look for. I'm sorry, I'll be yawning and
stuff, but I'm going to keep allthis in here so y'all can hear
it because y'all my brain be braining.
But the elected governor of Arkansas for 1992 was Jim got
Tucker and he served from 1992 until 1996 as a part of the
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Democratic Party. So what else was going on in
1993? Let's figure it out.
So 1993 was a busy year. Okay.
Now all of the the details I'm about to give you are coming
from the people history home, which I'll leave that
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information in the description. I don't even know it's kind of
description. It'll be in the show notes.
So US, the US and Russia start signed start to the Waco siege
happened in Texas. Where it started February 28th,
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but if you know anything about the Waco seas, you know it went
on for a little bit. the United States had the Mars Observer.
They lost contact with that spacecraft.
There's a lot of space related things.
Let's say that Canada had the first female Prime Minister.
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South Africa won a Nobel Prize. There was a space shuttle
Endeavor. Bill Clinton was the president.
He was the president, you know, which I knew, that the Brady
Bill was signed into law. There was a bombing in the World
Trade Center. There was a ferry to that that
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sunk in Haiti, and over 1000 people passed away as a result
of that. Trying to see if I got any
actual numbers I I need on here because I want to say something
about the there was technology, of course we know there was.
Windows 3.1 was released by Microsoft, so you know, y'all
know we don't. Came all long way, all long way.
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Jurassic Park was released, misses Dowfire OKI can't watch
Jurassic Park. This is it.
Don't sit right with my spirit. I don't know why.
I just don't. For a Barbie Dream house,
crazily enough is for the Barbieis 1550, but for the horse is
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2559. That's ghetto.
That's real ghetto. OK, I'm going to get out some
numbers, then I'm going to leavey'all alone about this.
So the cost of living. In 1993, the average cost of a
new home was $113,200. The average income per year was.
$31,230 Hold on Y'all. The average monthly rent was
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$532.00. The cost of a gallon of gas was
$1.16. A movie ticket was $4.14.
Tuition at Harvard 20 or tuitionto Harvard $23,514.00.
When I tell y'all that's still expensive, that's really
expensive, but. I guess that's.
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I mean, for the time. I guess that's reasonable
because things were a lot cheaper and there were money
went a lot further than it does now.
And the average cost of a new car, I don't know if I said
that, but it's $12,750. You let me be out there, girl,
I'm going to have whatever car they got, OK?
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And I'll be rolling in my car. That was $12,000.
Try me. You won't try nobody else.
Okay. Well, that's the end of all my
questions. I know y'all probably like this,
this, this, this girl crazy. I am a little bit.
So before we jump in, we're going to take a quick break.
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Okay, once I have filmed this four Times Now.
Let's hope I'm doing it right. So let me introduce you to Stacy
first. Stacey Eugene Johnson is a
murderer, A rapist and a Sagittarius.
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A Sagittarius. We want the truth.
He murdered a young woman named Carol Jean Heath and this
happened in Sevier County. He was sentenced to death on
September 23rd, 1994. Mr. Johnson was again convicted
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in severe county for murdering awhite female and they're not
really sure the exact date, so it's between April 1st and April
2nd. However, he was again sentenced
to death September 23rd, 1994. Mr. Johnson had trial counsel
for, I'm assuming for the first case and he has different
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counsel now for. Everything else, Mr. Johnson has
appealed his sentence several times, actually, and I'm not
going into that because it is very descriptive.
And I mean it describes the child and it describes what the
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children saw. And it's just kind of really,
really not something I want to go into, however I will.
Put the link in the show notes so if you choose to read about
it, you can So miss. Carol Jean Heath was a victim of
Stacy Johnson's horrific crime spell.
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She was found brutally beat, strangled, and she had
lacerations to her throat and her body somewhere in between
the late hours and the early morning of April 1st.
Or April 2nd to 1993. According to Sergeant Keith
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Tucker, Miss Carroll was found between a couch that had been
moved around along with a coffeetable that had been shifted
towards the middle of the room. According to the medical
examiner, Miss Carroll's death was caused by cutting her neck,
strangulation and blunt force head trauma.
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The examiner also stated that she has several bruises and
abrasions on her face and her head, along with other injuries
to her arms and her hands, consistent with that of her
defending herself from the attacker.
Miss Carol also had a bite mark on her nipple of the right
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breast and an abrasion to her left breast.
Another officer on the scene noticed panties next to Carol
next to Miss Carol's right thigh, and took a note of a
light colored liquid around the legs and genitalia of Miss
Carol. So I guess what I'm like with
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that part. He literally beat this woman.
Slit her throat and choked her. I don't know what order it went
in. And then you know, like he bit
her breast and I guess bruised the other one that is
horrendous. Like, no, no, it's just
horrendous. And it's crazy to think with the
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research I've done on this specific person, he had just got
out of prison before he committed the second crime,
like. I don't.
I want to say it was like he hadbeen out of prison for a few
days or it might have even been that same day.
And it's scary to know that maybe he planned this in his
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time. Again, these are my opinions.
It's just horrible, this woman, like, in my opinion, that that
is overkill. Like you literally killed this
woman. You.
Well, you strangled her, slit her throat, bit her breast, beat
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her upside the head. All of this to run away.
And I mean, you left evidence. That's horrible.
What the fuck? Side note or not even side note
note. An empty dish bottle, an empty
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Lifestyles condom box were foundin the bathroom sink.
They're not saying that he rapedher yet, but me personally, I
think he did. I am proud of Miss Carroll for
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putting up a fight, although. She did not survive that fight.
She put up a fight, shout out toher for fighting back, You know,
we got to give her her props. We got to give her her credit.
We got to give her her flowers. And now you know, I'm not saying
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they didn't give him to her then, but we got to give her her
flowers because she tried, She tried.
And I'm not going to say she failed because she didn't.
Life just happened horribly. On April 5th, 1993, a purse was
found by the officer who was investigating her case, Officer
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Kenneth Bryant. The purse was found between the
Queen and Horatio. However, I ain't never heard of
Horatio before and I'm I've beenin Arkansas for a while, but
somewhere between the Queen and Horatio, which was found to have
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belongings of Miss Carroll inside of it.
What this was bought to the attention of Officer Belling and
he brought the he he went out tothe area and did some searching
on his own. Belling found a green pullover,
a bloody white tshirt, and a bloody tile at the same time.
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The evidence didn't point fingers at anyone, but it was
sent to the State crime lab evidence Center for testing, so
I mentioned something about a dish bottle earlier.
Do y'all remember what I was saying?
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Do you remember the dish bottle,Will?
Remember I told you to hold up on that one.
It's going to come back around. Do you remember the empty dish
bottle and condoms that were mentioned earlier?
According to James Parsons, a forensic serologist on the case,
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she admitted that there was no semen found.
In connection with the victim, she also admitted that finding
semen would would be unlikely ifthe perpetrator used the condom
and dished the victim. So that's why I said, I think I
kind of feel like he planned it,'cause it's like, you know, like
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even. Even though he ditched his
clothes and stuff, I still feel like he kind of in his mind, he
had a plan of what he was going to do and how he was going to do
it. And Miss Carroll just so
happened to be that person. I'm not saying he, you know,
picked her out, but that's just my thoughts on that.
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Also, something told him to use a dish bottle to do what he, you
know, to clean her out. And that to me is like a plan.
Because first of all, how did you know what a dish bottles was
it in her house? Second of all, why you didn't
clean up after the fact like youlove semen or somebody left
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semen on their floor. You left a box of condoms.
You went over there with intentions on on Wham bam, thank
you ma'am. But you didn't take you.
You didn't pick your your condomlevel you love.
Like if you won't commit a crimelike this, pick your shit up.
But you know you grown. I can't tell you now, even
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though I wasn't even born when this happened.
So I got a question. More of a statement question,
but a question nonetheless. Do you know how amazing it is to
be a child and. See the sunshine and the
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rainbows and the unicorns and dragon tales and Arthur and
SpongeBob. It's amazing.
But to go from being with your mother all the time to seeing
your mother murdered is horrendous.
And that's something that will stick with you for your life.
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Like, therapy might help, but you know it's still
traumatizing. But that's like a different type
of trauma. What makes this such an
interesting occurrence this whole case is the fact that
there were kids in the the home,which isn't you know like that
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wasn't out of the normal like her children were there, you
know the victim's daughter. So Miss Carol's daughter Ashley
was wide awake and. I read that she was wide awake
and she stayed awake until someone came to the home.
It was like her aunt came to thehome and she was wide awake with
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her brother. She was awake so much so that
she knew what was going on. She's witnessed the brutality of
it all. After the fact that you know,
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like after all of that that is traumatizing.
Like imagine having to tell thatstory multiple times in front of
multiple different people and then the the offender is sitting
here trying to appeal based off of the therapy you're receiving.
I don't even understand that themath is not math thing.
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Child is ghetto. It's just it don't make sense
like this. Child has experienced one of the
worst things she could have everexperienced, and part of his
appeal is based off of the therapy she received, in which
I'll go into that a little more She was six years old when her
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mother died. Ashley Ashley has been through a
lot and so has our brother. Ashley was questioned by an
officer and his name is Hayes and he's he stated that Ashley
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told him that. Her mother, her and her mother
were on the couch when there wasa knock on the door.
That knock with Stacy when this crime happened, Ashley was 6 and
her brother Jonathan was only two.
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That's horrible. That's horrible.
Ashley made a statement in 2017 where she said he beat my mom,
he raped my mom, he strangled mymom, he cut my mom's throat.
There was blood everywhere. That wasn't part of the living
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room. There was nothing in the living
room that was not covered in blood.
So that's horrible. That's horrendous.
Stacy's attorneys. So Stacy was granted a second
trial, I'm guessing like a retrial or something.
I'll get more information on that.
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So his first conviction was overturned after he had been
found not mentally competent to testify due to her age.
I would not be mentally competent at all dealing with
this situation because how do you expect me to be mentally?
Mentally competent. If you murdered my mom and I saw
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it and I've been asked about it and now I'm stuck with this
traumatic memory from this traumatic experience, but y'all
want to say I'm not mentally competent.
I think I'm pretty damn competent because she was able
to tell them what happened and Idon't feel like there was any
coaching involved. So she was able to do it her,
you know, like. Tell them what's up.
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Like they may rape my mom and killed it, and I know what he
look like. I may not know his name, but I
know what he look like. How is she not mentally
competent? That's bullshit.
During the second trial, Ashley was allowed to testify after
Johnson, so Mr. Stacy Defense was not allowed to see the
documents from Heath's Ashley's.Second therapist and I'm sorry
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y'all. I keep getting the name switched
up but anything Heath is I will say Carol after the fact or
Ashley and Johnson is Mr. Stacy.But I don't understand the point
and now I get like you needing like the records like just from
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like. How her therapy is going.
But I don't think it's right that an offender who is serving
a sentence for murdering my mom,they should not have access to
anything related to me. You know, like I, I, I that
makes me angry to know that they're they're sitting here
trying to get her therapy notes that ain't only y'all business.
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Y'all got what y'all got and that's how they going to get
y'all Johnson's defense was ableto.
Until the documents of her therapy documents and records
from her therapy. After his second convention
conviction was affirmed by the Arkansas Supreme Court, it was
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discovered that Ashley's therapist said Ashley's stories
were profoundly inconsistent. And had been under pressure from
her family and the prosecutor toconvict Johnson.
I hate to tell y'all this and bust that bubble.
I'd be inconsistent as hell, too, if I watched my Mama get
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murdered. I don't see nothing wrong with
like, trauma hits you so bad in so many ways and it's so
different for every person. What she witnessed is what she
witnessed. However, like whatever came from
that, because we don't know how that truly affected her
mentally, physically or emotionally.
But if she said what she said, she said what she said so during
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this second trial. The judge was given several
samples of the therapist notes. So the therapist notes are the
notes between Ashley and her therapist.
The therapist wrote that the District Attorney at the time
told Ashley she was the only onewho could keep Johnson behind
bars. Stacy, her therapist, also said
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that at times she was parroting other family members.
So parroting is basically like you're mimicking.
You're mimicking your whoever you're around or whatever.
And I mean, given the fact that she witnessed her mom be
brutally murdered, I'd be pairedinto because I wouldn't know
what else to say. Ashley's grandma told Ashley
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that she has to keep him behind the bar behind bars, said the
therapist in her notes. I mean, honestly, depending on
which parent the grandma was, sodepending on who.
Who is she was invested in? So if it was her daughter or,
you know, vice versa, or her dad's daughter, I mean, as a
parent and especially as a grandparent, you're going to
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tell your child or grandchild things.
And it's not like, OK, this is concrete, but if you murder my
child, then I don't want you free.
And I mean, I'm not saying that I would tell my child, hey, it's
all on you, but it's like whatever you witness, you tell
them and I'm behind you 700%. And also, I wonder if this is a
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trauma based or trauma focused therapy, because it doesn't seem
like it to me just from what I'mreading.
According to the therapist notes, the therapist claimed
that Ashley's grandma emphasizedhow much responsibility was on
Ashley and that if Jonathan Johnson I'm sorry, Stacy's
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sentence was overturned. Ashley will feel total
responsibility and again, I think it's because of the
situation. If you know, like everybody
responds to things differently and that just happens to be the
way this woman is responding because if it's her daughter, if
I was her, I'll pop off too. I'm not saying putting all that
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pressure on Ashley is OK, but like I'd be the one to pop off,
Ashley said. Even to this day.
So this statement was in 2017. Even to this day, she's scared
of Stacy Johnson. 1993 to 2017 is a long time with Stacy is
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getting to the point where I'm just done.
I'm fed up. I'm sick of coming up here.
Those are the words of Ashley. With Stacy getting a state of
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execution, she feels that there's no justice in Arkansas,
which I mean, if we being real, is not Arkansas justice system
so fucked up. How fucked up?
It's fucked up. It's fucked up.
I'm not saying I'm for the deathpenalty.
I'm also not saying I'm against the death penalty.
But I am saying if you do it, ifyou dish it out, you better be
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able to take it. You know, Like you kill somebody
and somebody kill you. That's on you.
Like not to sidetrack, get sidetracked.
But like, look at Larry Nasser or the gymnastic coach that was
raping the girls. He was stabbed and beat up the
other day. And it's like karma is a mother
trucker. So it'll come to you, it'll come
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to you, Have it come to you. But I agree with Ashley.
There is no justice in Arkansas and it's 2023 Ashley State.
Most of these statements that I'm reading now are from Ashley.
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I feel like if you're going to give somebody the death penalty,
you should carry it out, True. As I said, if you don't want to
do the death penalty anymore, you should give life in prison
as the final punishment. And I agree with that 7000%
because, I mean, let's be real. Death row only scares people.
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Like in my opinion, again, my opinion, death row.
Just be scaring them, OK? Get them life in prison, life
without and let them figure it out.
Like you got to make this home because it's the only place
you're going for the rest of your life.
You know, like. I agree with life in prison, but
I mean if you get the death penalty, why are you sitting on
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death row for 20 years like in Texas?
They fried down and lay to the side like give you 100 plus
days, you know? And it's like in Arkansas, these
people are sitting there for decades before they get fried.
That's crazy to me. That's why them drugs be
expiring because like y'all be giving people death penalties
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and don't be wanting to kill nobody.
That's crazy. It's all crazy to me.
None of it makes sense. Honestly, Ashley, I know you all
hear all this stuff in the background.
I'm sorry. Ashley believes that these
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judges and lawyers granting these stays.
Are giving prisoners a second chance that they don't deserve.
And in reality, if you're willing to brutally murder
someone in front of their children or knowing that their
children are in the home, what you did shout is what you get
back. And I also I have pictures of
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Miss Carol and I will post thoseas well because she's beautiful.
It makes Arkansas look like you can go out and do the most
destructive and hated hatred crime in Arkansas and get away
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with murder. Ashley said that, and she was
very emotional when she said that Stacy's attorneys have
asked for new DNA testing because they claimed the
original trial didn't allow for.Testing of sexual assault
evidence. The attorneys also asserted that
his boyfriend had a he had a history of domestic assault, but
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the police never investigating him.
I get, you know, he trying to pull it.
It wasn't me. It was him.
Like I didn't. But I'm still going off of what
Ashley said because Ashley said what she said and I believe it
100%. Maybe I'm crazy, maybe I'm not,
but Ashley had a valid point. She saw this man's face and she
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we don't know how much she saw, but we know she saw his face.
I mean got a clear shot at it face.
During the investigation of Carol Heath's murder, it was
discovered that she had been bitten on one of her breasts.
The exwife of Carol's boyfriend testified that he abused her
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during their marriage, which included biting her.
At one point, biting her breast at one point.
So now they're going to try to tie it in and say, oh, he
admitted this. Well, Mr. Johnson didn't do
this. You know, they, you know how
they do it. Y'all know how they do it.
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This is so, Mr. Johnson. Miss Stacy, this is not some
sort of last minute Hail Mary pass.
I know Stacy didn't say that. Bryce said that with the
Innocence Project. Johnson asked the DN asked for
DNA testing in earlier appeals, but those requests were denied
by the state and federal courts.There have been revolutionary
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advances in DNA testing since this case was initially
investigated, which could tell once and for all who actually
committed the crime. I hate to say it, but I still
believe Stacy committed the crime.
DNA aside, I still believe he committed the crime because the
child said that's who she saw. Despite the new motions to prove
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Johnson's innocence, he Ashley, says she knows Johnson is guilty
and she wants justice for her mom, Ashley said.
Pull up the crime scene photos of the victims and tell me if
any of those men deserve any clemency.
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While the law has promised closure in the form of
executions, the the Heath familywill have open wounds from the
death of Miss Carol Heath that they wish they could close.
Should. When I say that's absolutely
horrible, that's horrible. And I just feel like, you know,
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you shouldn't be interviewing the victim the way that they
were interviewing her. I feel like that went at her too
hard. OK, here's some more
information. A federal appeals court has
ruled that the death row inmate Stacy Johnson may sue the state
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of Arkansas to push to have his new DNA test run to clear him of
Carol Heat's 1993 murder Johnsonpoet post poised.
That DNA evidence may implicate he's boyfriend Brandon Ramsey as
her actual killer. I don't believe Brandon killed
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her. I still believe Stacy killed her
because that's who Ashley says she saw Johnson.
Mr. Stacy has spent a quarter century and at this point I feel
like it's probably been more than that on death row.
A federal appeals court has ruled that the Arkansas inmate
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on death row can sue the state in effort to have DNA test run
that could clear him. Whatever, whatever.
I don't believe that. That's.
I mean, if he want to get the DNA test done, let him get it
done. Johnson.
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Mr. Stacy. Again, I'm saying these names
'cause like I'm forgetting how I'm saying them.
But Stacy, at the time this article was written, was 53
years old, and he came within a day of being executed in 2017
for the 1993 murder of Carol Heath in the Queen, Arkansas.
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And this is what I was just talking about.
And no, it was not 2015. It was 2017.
My bad Johnson was one of the 8 Arkansas prisoners scheduled for
unprecedented string of back-to-back executions in 2017
by the governor at that time, ASA Hutchinson.
Johnson has been on death row since 1997.
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That's a long time here, dog. The day before Johnson was to be
put to death, the Supreme Court stayed his execution in a four
to three decision and remanded the case to trial court for a
hearing on his petition requesting additional testing of
physical evidence found at the crime scene which Johnson could
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prove his innocence. I don't believe it.
In 2019, after a lower court denied Johnson's request, the
Arkansas Supreme Court affirmed the lower ruling, clearing the
way for Johnson's execution. So
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I'm trying to give y'all key points in 2021.
Following a denial by the US Supreme Court to review his
case, Johnson sued the state attend Attorney General, the
prosecuting attorney of severe county and director of the state
crime lab, saying they continued.
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The continued refusal to allow new DNA testing constituted A
denial of due process. Johnson also sought an order
after or an order declaring Act 1780.
Unconstitutional and an injunction requiring defendants
to release DNA evidence for further testing.
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To me, it sounds like Mr. Johnson has done extensive
research on the topic. And I mean again, DNA doesn't
lie until it does. So if we can get a copy or get
the results from that DNA test, hey, we might be pushing some,
but right now Mr. Johnson is guilty and.
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He was sent us how? He was sent us for a reason.
All right, y'all. I know this episode kind of
wonky and slow and all over the place because yeah, and you
going to hear a bunch of sounds.I was rattling a cup and some
other stuff, but I want y'all toknow I'm back.
I'm better one week at a time. I'm going to link all the
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sources in the show notes. And I will also link all the
social So there's TikTok, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,
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If you want to give me a little follow, follow, let me tell you
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(49:31):
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but I didn't. So on Instagram is TCWT Arkansas
pod. On Facebook my Facebook app is
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maybe I can. See.
So on Facebook is true crime with the twist.
Make it Arkansas. On Twitter, it's TCWT Arkansas
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I think it's TCWT Arkansas Pod. Anyway, just look up TCWT
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effort. Leave me some comments.
Rate me, rate me. Let me know if I'm doing.
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Let me just talk to me so I can talk back to Y'all.
I'm really trying. I'm proud of myself for being
able to sit here and record thisepisode tonight.
It's going up as soon as I finish editing it.
Just show me, show me some love.Leave some comments, leave some
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Hold on, I'm sorry y'all, I'm still not prepared.
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I'll be more prepared when I record the next episode, I
promise. It is TCWT arkansas@gmail.com
and if you have any suggestions.Anything.
(51:56):
You're just trying to talk. If you don't have Facebook, you
can reach out to me on any social media, really.
Or if you don't have Instagram, hit me up somewhere else.
But I love feedback. Positive.
Constructive, bad, whatever. I'm willing to listen so I can
learn. So just hit me up.
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I'm going to hit you back. And the Instagram is going to be
tagged Below I'm going to post pictures of Stacy, Miss Carol
and Stacy when he was convicted versus Stacy now.
Yeah, So please just give me a follow, Give me a like, give me
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Well this it y'all. I hope y'all have a good rest of
y'all day and a good rest of y'all week.
You are strong, you are beautiful, you are talented, you
are bold and you are brave and we going to make it so.
Y'all have a good night, get yousome rest and if it's during the
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day, don't let nobody stress youout.
Walk away. If you got to walk away, y'all
have a good week. I'm saying it again because I
need y'all to really just have agood week.
So I'll talk to y'all later. Thank y'all for this.
I'm gonna call it a FaceTime, 'cause like, yeah, I love it
(53:21):
here. Thank y'all for answering my.
Call. And listen to me rambling for
all these minutes man. It's it's so much love out here
and I'm showing it to y'all alright.
Y'all I'll see y'all next time. Bye bye.
30 times the time What's up? What's up?
What's? Up.
How y'all doing? How's the weather?
Where you are? How is life treating you?
How do you feel today? I know I'm asking those
questions and you're probably like girl, I'm not telling you
anything. But I'm asking you those
questions. Because I would love it.
(00:25):
I love it when people ask me those questions.
So welcome back to True Crime with A Twist, Macon Arkansas.
My name is Akina and I'm the podcast host.
I'm here today to introduce you to a new case to hopefully shot
(00:47):
bring. Flight to the victim as well as
to talk about the assailant of the crime.
And I also just want to kind of catch up with you guys first,
because I've been gone for a while.
It's been months since I recorded an actual episode.
I know I did stop by for a second in December to just kind
(01:09):
of let you know that I've been gone for a while and.
Let me give you kind of like a quick update.
So December, I graduated from college with my second degree,
with a second bachelor's degree.I started working a new job in
(01:31):
October. I liked the job.
It's different, it's very different and it's something I
never in the million years thought I would do.
Let's see. Life is life, and for sure.
Ups downs, lefts rights, U turns.
All of. Everything that can go on, then
go on my little I have, so I have two Chihuahuas and they
(01:57):
fight like cats and dogs. Specifically like cats because
they both both are cats but theylove each other dearly.
Lucy's birthday was in February.She turned 6.
Shadows birthday is in May. He'll be one.
They're my babies. Those are my sweet baby Childs.
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So life, there has been so much going on and there is so much
going on in the world right now and I just want to first make
sure everyone is doing OK. And I know I asked this like a
few seconds ago, but really, areyou OK?
(02:43):
If not, will you please take advantage of any resources
available to help you get through whatever get through
whatever problems, mentally, physically or emotionally that
you're having? Because you are a valuable
person in life, You're a valuable person in your
community, and you're a valuableperson to this world.
(03:03):
You're an asset first, I would like to say.
Today is Easter. It's Easter Sunday.
So happy Easter to everyone who celebrates Easter, I'm not
really sure. And I'll be the first to admit.
I might not be the first to admit this, but I'm not good
(03:26):
with holidays, so I don't know who else celebrates.
You know what other holidays go on around this time?
But yeah, let's see second. Today's case is very gruesome.
And by gruesome I mean it's it'sthe case.
It's it's the case. Third, I just want you all to
(03:49):
know that I'm always here to spread information to talk to.
Whoever is willing to listen about how I think about these
things. So about these cases, there's no
right or wrong way to approach your thoughts as far as like the
cases go, if that makes sense. So like this is.
(04:12):
My. Opinion.
Yes, I'm using sources. I'm referring to these sources,
but at the end of the at the endof it.
This is how I think about it. So.
I'm not like I did not go to school with this.
These are my opinions and only my opinions.
(04:33):
And I will not be touching on new cases.
Most of the cases, all of the cases that I cover here on this
channel will be. Solely solved older cases or I
mean there will? Be long as the case has a
judgment. A judgment has been made.
I'm willing to speak on it. That's what I mean.
(04:55):
As of right now and. As of before, I did not.
Have a. True recording schedule I just
recorded. When I felt.
Like it? I want to start and get a
recording schedule. I want to start recording on the
schedule so like I can have. I can get my thoughts out if it
makes sense. And I know they say it takes
(05:17):
like 21 two weeks to 21 days to build a habit.
So I feel like if I. Approach this podcast the way I
want to approach new, new, healthier coping mechanisms.
Then I can record more frequently from like without
burning myself out if it makes sense.
(05:38):
Because before I was just dumping information and I was
not taking time to think. Hey, kina.
Like a second and breathe. It was just like, I got to get
this episode, get it out, get itout, get out, get out, get out.
But now I want to take the time to actually, you know, like make
a schedule, upload on that schedule.
That way I don't disappear for months again because whenever I
(06:02):
don't have a schedule, I don't do it.
I would like to record and. Release these episodes weekly.
That way I can just kind of, youknow, get through it.
Because to me, my podcast is kind of like a the audio Journey
(06:22):
journal so. It's like me.
Talking to my journal. But you all are listening.
And I greatly appreciate everyone who's listening.
And I pray that we can extend and and you know, make the
population of people who listen to this podcast way bigger.
So with that being said, if you like this podcast, feel free to
(06:45):
write this podcast, feel free toshare this podcast, feel free to
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We have e-mail. Well, I have e-mail set up for
this podcast. I also have an Instagram page
where I will try my hardest to post pictures of the victims as
well as the sailor of the crime weekly.
And I will also put my filming schedule on Instagram.
(07:08):
All of the social media sites where the podcast is available
or where I'm available to talk about the podcast, those will be
listed in the comments section. And again, feel free to always
reach out, make suggestions. I'm I'm a very good listener and
I I like to take everything intoconsideration.
(07:29):
So with all that being said, let's jump into this case.
What's up? Y'all we back, we back like 4
flats on the Cadillac again. This this case is very bad.
It's it's violent, it's horrible.
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I really don't have any other words, but it's violent.
It's horrible. It's treacherous.
It's heinous, heinous, heinous. It is something that.
I don't even know how to tell you what it is because it's bad.
Like there's one thing to kill somebody, but there's a
completely different type of killing right here.
Y'all gonna hear it. So again, that warning.
(08:19):
I'm saying it again. Warning.
The following consists of triggering events and narrations
of actual crime scene evidence. Caution is strongly advised,
especially for listeners under the age of 13 this show.
Features descriptions of murder,sexual assault and violence.
(08:40):
Listener discretion is advised. And I just wanted to go in there
and say that again, because whatI'm going to tell you is
horrible and if you can't, if you if this makes you feel any
type of way, just. You scroll past it because, I
mean, I completely understand feeling horrible after watching
(09:01):
like a true crime show or something.
You know, something that just makes your spirit feel weird.
So if this is too much for you, feel free to keep going.
I'm not going to hold it againstyou.
I'll see you on the next episode.
Okay. So.
Let's see how this goes. I've been trying to record this
one episode for months and I had.
(09:24):
I guess you call the writer's block shit.
I don't know. I had not writer's block, but I
just had a mental block. Let's say that.
And with that mental block, I I haven't had energy or the desire
(09:45):
to do anything. But this is one thing that's
been on my mind. Stop.
It's kind of like in one of those file cabinets in the back
of my brain. And I want to do this episode,
finish this episode and publish this episode because it's been a
fucking year. A year to update on things.
(10:10):
I have a beautiful new job. Well, it'll be new to Y'all.
I've been here there since October.
I got a new car because my othercar said FUCKYOU.
My relationship with my mom is the best it's ever been.
(10:32):
My therapist and therapy are helping me significantly.
My doctors, I'm really thankful because, like, I'm medically
complex if you ask me. Like I say that, but like
somebody else might tell you something different.
Shadow turned one, and he's terrible.
(10:52):
I love him so much. Lucy is a little chunky woman.
She is 7 or I believe she's six or seven.
Like if I wouldn't have said nothing, I'd be able to tell
you. Let's see what else has
happened. I'm definitely still a
(11:14):
irresponsible adult AKA child. So the episode today.
Is kind of horrible, but it's kind of recent.
And by recent I mean in the last20 years.
(11:36):
It's a difficult case to hear. So here's a warning.
The following consists of triggering events.
And narrations of actual crime scene evidence and the crime
scene Caution is strongly advised, especially for
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listeners under the age of 13. However, if you are anywhere
between however old you are whenyou discover podcasts and 18, I
don't think you should listen tothis.
But if you do take that up with your parents, don't take that up
with me. The show features descriptions
of murder, sexual assault, and violence.
(12:21):
Listener discretion is advised this week as in since March of
last year. This week we will be discussing
the heinous murder of an Arkansas woman.
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Excuse me? An Arkansas woman at the hands
of a man named Stacy Johnson. He is currently incarcerated in
Arkansas, the last. So in like 2015, he was one of
(13:03):
the people that they were tryingto execute when the drugs were
about to expire, I believe. And he's one of the few men who
were were not executed. Although disturbing in how the
crime played out we let's let usso me and you and whoever else
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is listening try to see if we can figure out why we know The
Who we know what happened. We know well we quote UN quote
know what happened. We know when.
We don't know why, but we do know how.
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So to jump in, Y'all know I liketo ask y'all questions.
So let me ask you questions because I want a couple of
answers. So my first question is who was
the governor of Arkansas in 1993?
I'll give you a few seconds to give me an answer.
Look it up. Hit doctor Google up.
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But let me know who was the governor of Arkansas in 1993?
So here's the answer. Bill Clinton left the office in
1992 and when he left the office, so I'm assuming like
January. I like to include these details
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because that's what I look for. I'm sorry, I'll be yawning and
stuff, but I'm going to keep allthis in here so y'all can hear
it because y'all my brain be braining.
But the elected governor of Arkansas for 1992 was Jim got
Tucker and he served from 1992 until 1996 as a part of the
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Democratic Party. So what else was going on in
1993? Let's figure it out.
So 1993 was a busy year. Okay.
Now all of the the details I'm about to give you are coming
from the people history home, which I'll leave that
(15:14):
information in the description. I don't even know it's kind of
description. It'll be in the show notes.
So US, the US and Russia start signed start to the Waco siege
happened in Texas. Where it started February 28th,
(15:34):
but if you know anything about the Waco seas, you know it went
on for a little bit. the United States had the Mars Observer.
They lost contact with that spacecraft.
There's a lot of space related things.
Let's say that Canada had the first female Prime Minister.
(15:58):
South Africa won a Nobel Prize. There was a space shuttle
Endeavor. Bill Clinton was the president.
He was the president, you know, which I knew, that the Brady
Bill was signed into law. There was a bombing in the World
Trade Center. There was a ferry to that that
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sunk in Haiti, and over 1000 people passed away as a result
of that. Trying to see if I got any
actual numbers I I need on here because I want to say something
about the there was technology, of course we know there was.
Windows 3.1 was released by Microsoft, so you know, y'all
know we don't. Came all long way, all long way.
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Jurassic Park was released, misses Dowfire OKI can't watch
Jurassic Park. This is it.
Don't sit right with my spirit. I don't know why.
I just don't. For a Barbie Dream house,
crazily enough is for the Barbieis 1550, but for the horse is
(17:06):
2559. That's ghetto.
That's real ghetto. OK, I'm going to get out some
numbers, then I'm going to leavey'all alone about this.
So the cost of living. In 1993, the average cost of a
new home was $113,200. The average income per year was.
$31,230 Hold on Y'all. The average monthly rent was
(17:32):
$532.00. The cost of a gallon of gas was
$1.16. A movie ticket was $4.14.
Tuition at Harvard 20 or tuitionto Harvard $23,514.00.
When I tell y'all that's still expensive, that's really
expensive, but. I guess that's.
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I mean, for the time. I guess that's reasonable
because things were a lot cheaper and there were money
went a lot further than it does now.
And the average cost of a new car, I don't know if I said
that, but it's $12,750. You let me be out there, girl,
I'm going to have whatever car they got, OK?
(18:18):
And I'll be rolling in my car. That was $12,000.
Try me. You won't try nobody else.
Okay. Well, that's the end of all my
questions. I know y'all probably like this,
this, this, this girl crazy. I am a little bit.
So before we jump in, we're going to take a quick break.
(18:39):
Okay, once I have filmed this four Times Now.
Let's hope I'm doing it right. So let me introduce you to Stacy
first. Stacey Eugene Johnson is a
murderer, A rapist and a Sagittarius.
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A Sagittarius. We want the truth.
He murdered a young woman named Carol Jean Heath and this
happened in Sevier County. He was sentenced to death on
September 23rd, 1994. Mr. Johnson was again convicted
(19:26):
in severe county for murdering awhite female and they're not
really sure the exact date, so it's between April 1st and April
2nd. However, he was again sentenced
to death September 23rd, 1994. Mr. Johnson had trial counsel
for, I'm assuming for the first case and he has different
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counsel now for. Everything else, Mr. Johnson has
appealed his sentence several times, actually, and I'm not
going into that because it is very descriptive.
And I mean it describes the child and it describes what the
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children saw. And it's just kind of really,
really not something I want to go into, however I will.
Put the link in the show notes so if you choose to read about
it, you can So miss. Carol Jean Heath was a victim of
Stacy Johnson's horrific crime spell.
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She was found brutally beat, strangled, and she had
lacerations to her throat and her body somewhere in between
the late hours and the early morning of April 1st.
Or April 2nd to 1993. According to Sergeant Keith
(20:52):
Tucker, Miss Carroll was found between a couch that had been
moved around along with a coffeetable that had been shifted
towards the middle of the room. According to the medical
examiner, Miss Carroll's death was caused by cutting her neck,
strangulation and blunt force head trauma.
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The examiner also stated that she has several bruises and
abrasions on her face and her head, along with other injuries
to her arms and her hands, consistent with that of her
defending herself from the attacker.
Miss Carol also had a bite mark on her nipple of the right
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breast and an abrasion to her left breast.
Another officer on the scene noticed panties next to Carol
next to Miss Carol's right thigh, and took a note of a
light colored liquid around the legs and genitalia of Miss
Carol. So I guess what I'm like with
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that part. He literally beat this woman.
Slit her throat and choked her. I don't know what order it went
in. And then you know, like he bit
her breast and I guess bruised the other one that is
horrendous. Like, no, no, it's just
horrendous. And it's crazy to think with the
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research I've done on this specific person, he had just got
out of prison before he committed the second crime,
like. I don't.
I want to say it was like he hadbeen out of prison for a few
days or it might have even been that same day.
And it's scary to know that maybe he planned this in his
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time. Again, these are my opinions.
It's just horrible, this woman, like, in my opinion, that that
is overkill. Like you literally killed this
woman. You.
Well, you strangled her, slit her throat, bit her breast, beat
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her upside the head. All of this to run away.
And I mean, you left evidence. That's horrible.
What the fuck? Side note or not even side note
note. An empty dish bottle, an empty
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Lifestyles condom box were foundin the bathroom sink.
They're not saying that he rapedher yet, but me personally, I
think he did. I am proud of Miss Carroll for
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putting up a fight, although. She did not survive that fight.
She put up a fight, shout out toher for fighting back, You know,
we got to give her her props. We got to give her her credit.
We got to give her her flowers. And now you know, I'm not saying
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they didn't give him to her then, but we got to give her her
flowers because she tried, She tried.
And I'm not going to say she failed because she didn't.
Life just happened horribly. On April 5th, 1993, a purse was
found by the officer who was investigating her case, Officer
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Kenneth Bryant. The purse was found between the
Queen and Horatio. However, I ain't never heard of
Horatio before and I'm I've beenin Arkansas for a while, but
somewhere between the Queen and Horatio, which was found to have
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belongings of Miss Carroll inside of it.
What this was bought to the attention of Officer Belling and
he brought the he he went out tothe area and did some searching
on his own. Belling found a green pullover,
a bloody white tshirt, and a bloody tile at the same time.
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The evidence didn't point fingers at anyone, but it was
sent to the State crime lab evidence Center for testing, so
I mentioned something about a dish bottle earlier.
Do y'all remember what I was saying?
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Do you remember the dish bottle,Will?
Remember I told you to hold up on that one.
It's going to come back around. Do you remember the empty dish
bottle and condoms that were mentioned earlier?
According to James Parsons, a forensic serologist on the case,
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she admitted that there was no semen found.
In connection with the victim, she also admitted that finding
semen would would be unlikely ifthe perpetrator used the condom
and dished the victim. So that's why I said, I think I
kind of feel like he planned it,'cause it's like, you know, like
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even. Even though he ditched his
clothes and stuff, I still feel like he kind of in his mind, he
had a plan of what he was going to do and how he was going to do
it. And Miss Carroll just so
happened to be that person. I'm not saying he, you know,
picked her out, but that's just my thoughts on that.
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Also, something told him to use a dish bottle to do what he, you
know, to clean her out. And that to me is like a plan.
Because first of all, how did you know what a dish bottles was
it in her house? Second of all, why you didn't
clean up after the fact like youlove semen or somebody left
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semen on their floor. You left a box of condoms.
You went over there with intentions on on Wham bam, thank
you ma'am. But you didn't take you.
You didn't pick your your condomlevel you love.
Like if you won't commit a crimelike this, pick your shit up.
But you know you grown. I can't tell you now, even
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though I wasn't even born when this happened.
So I got a question. More of a statement question,
but a question nonetheless. Do you know how amazing it is to
be a child and. See the sunshine and the
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rainbows and the unicorns and dragon tales and Arthur and
SpongeBob. It's amazing.
But to go from being with your mother all the time to seeing
your mother murdered is horrendous.
And that's something that will stick with you for your life.
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Like, therapy might help, but you know it's still
traumatizing. But that's like a different type
of trauma. What makes this such an
interesting occurrence this whole case is the fact that
there were kids in the the home,which isn't you know like that
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wasn't out of the normal like her children were there, you
know the victim's daughter. So Miss Carol's daughter Ashley
was wide awake and. I read that she was wide awake
and she stayed awake until someone came to the home.
It was like her aunt came to thehome and she was wide awake with
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her brother. She was awake so much so that
she knew what was going on. She's witnessed the brutality of
it all. After the fact that you know,
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like after all of that that is traumatizing.
Like imagine having to tell thatstory multiple times in front of
multiple different people and then the the offender is sitting
here trying to appeal based off of the therapy you're receiving.
I don't even understand that themath is not math thing.
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Child is ghetto. It's just it don't make sense
like this. Child has experienced one of the
worst things she could have everexperienced, and part of his
appeal is based off of the therapy she received, in which
I'll go into that a little more She was six years old when her
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mother died. Ashley Ashley has been through a
lot and so has our brother. Ashley was questioned by an
officer and his name is Hayes and he's he stated that Ashley
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told him that. Her mother, her and her mother
were on the couch when there wasa knock on the door.
That knock with Stacy when this crime happened, Ashley was 6 and
her brother Jonathan was only two.
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That's horrible. That's horrible.
Ashley made a statement in 2017 where she said he beat my mom,
he raped my mom, he strangled mymom, he cut my mom's throat.
There was blood everywhere. That wasn't part of the living
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room. There was nothing in the living
room that was not covered in blood.
So that's horrible. That's horrendous.
Stacy's attorneys. So Stacy was granted a second
trial, I'm guessing like a retrial or something.
I'll get more information on that.
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So his first conviction was overturned after he had been
found not mentally competent to testify due to her age.
I would not be mentally competent at all dealing with
this situation because how do you expect me to be mentally?
Mentally competent. If you murdered my mom and I saw
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it and I've been asked about it and now I'm stuck with this
traumatic memory from this traumatic experience, but y'all
want to say I'm not mentally competent.
I think I'm pretty damn competent because she was able
to tell them what happened and Idon't feel like there was any
coaching involved. So she was able to do it her,
you know, like. Tell them what's up.
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Like they may rape my mom and killed it, and I know what he
look like. I may not know his name, but I
know what he look like. How is she not mentally
competent? That's bullshit.
During the second trial, Ashley was allowed to testify after
Johnson, so Mr. Stacy Defense was not allowed to see the
documents from Heath's Ashley's.Second therapist and I'm sorry
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y'all. I keep getting the name switched
up but anything Heath is I will say Carol after the fact or
Ashley and Johnson is Mr. Stacy.But I don't understand the point
and now I get like you needing like the records like just from
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like. How her therapy is going.
But I don't think it's right that an offender who is serving
a sentence for murdering my mom,they should not have access to
anything related to me. You know, like I, I, I that
makes me angry to know that they're they're sitting here
trying to get her therapy notes that ain't only y'all business.
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Y'all got what y'all got and that's how they going to get
y'all Johnson's defense was ableto.
Until the documents of her therapy documents and records
from her therapy. After his second convention
conviction was affirmed by the Arkansas Supreme Court, it was
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discovered that Ashley's therapist said Ashley's stories
were profoundly inconsistent. And had been under pressure from
her family and the prosecutor toconvict Johnson.
I hate to tell y'all this and bust that bubble.
I'd be inconsistent as hell, too, if I watched my Mama get
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murdered. I don't see nothing wrong with
like, trauma hits you so bad in so many ways and it's so
different for every person. What she witnessed is what she
witnessed. However, like whatever came from
that, because we don't know how that truly affected her
mentally, physically or emotionally.
But if she said what she said, she said what she said so during
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this second trial. The judge was given several
samples of the therapist notes. So the therapist notes are the
notes between Ashley and her therapist.
The therapist wrote that the District Attorney at the time
told Ashley she was the only onewho could keep Johnson behind
bars. Stacy, her therapist, also said
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that at times she was parroting other family members.
So parroting is basically like you're mimicking.
You're mimicking your whoever you're around or whatever.
And I mean, given the fact that she witnessed her mom be
brutally murdered, I'd be pairedinto because I wouldn't know
what else to say. Ashley's grandma told Ashley
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that she has to keep him behind the bar behind bars, said the
therapist in her notes. I mean, honestly, depending on
which parent the grandma was, sodepending on who.
Who is she was invested in? So if it was her daughter or,
you know, vice versa, or her dad's daughter, I mean, as a
parent and especially as a grandparent, you're going to
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tell your child or grandchild things.
And it's not like, OK, this is concrete, but if you murder my
child, then I don't want you free.
And I mean, I'm not saying that I would tell my child, hey, it's
all on you, but it's like whatever you witness, you tell
them and I'm behind you 700%. And also, I wonder if this is a
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trauma based or trauma focused therapy, because it doesn't seem
like it to me just from what I'mreading.
According to the therapist notes, the therapist claimed
that Ashley's grandma emphasizedhow much responsibility was on
Ashley and that if Jonathan Johnson I'm sorry, Stacy's
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sentence was overturned. Ashley will feel total
responsibility and again, I think it's because of the
situation. If you know, like everybody
responds to things differently and that just happens to be the
way this woman is responding because if it's her daughter, if
I was her, I'll pop off too. I'm not saying putting all that
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pressure on Ashley is OK, but like I'd be the one to pop off,
Ashley said. Even to this day.
So this statement was in 2017. Even to this day, she's scared
of Stacy Johnson. 1993 to 2017 is a long time with Stacy is
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getting to the point where I'm just done.
I'm fed up. I'm sick of coming up here.
Those are the words of Ashley. With Stacy getting a state of
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execution, she feels that there's no justice in Arkansas,
which I mean, if we being real, is not Arkansas justice system
so fucked up. How fucked up?
It's fucked up. It's fucked up.
I'm not saying I'm for the deathpenalty.
I'm also not saying I'm against the death penalty.
But I am saying if you do it, ifyou dish it out, you better be
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able to take it. You know, Like you kill somebody
and somebody kill you. That's on you.
Like not to sidetrack, get sidetracked.
But like, look at Larry Nasser or the gymnastic coach that was
raping the girls. He was stabbed and beat up the
other day. And it's like karma is a mother
trucker. So it'll come to you, it'll come
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to you, Have it come to you. But I agree with Ashley.
There is no justice in Arkansas and it's 2023 Ashley State.
Most of these statements that I'm reading now are from Ashley.
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I feel like if you're going to give somebody the death penalty,
you should carry it out, True. As I said, if you don't want to
do the death penalty anymore, you should give life in prison
as the final punishment. And I agree with that 7000%
because, I mean, let's be real. Death row only scares people.
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Like in my opinion, again, my opinion, death row.
Just be scaring them, OK? Get them life in prison, life
without and let them figure it out.
Like you got to make this home because it's the only place
you're going for the rest of your life.
You know, like. I agree with life in prison, but
I mean if you get the death penalty, why are you sitting on
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death row for 20 years like in Texas?
They fried down and lay to the side like give you 100 plus
days, you know? And it's like in Arkansas, these
people are sitting there for decades before they get fried.
That's crazy to me. That's why them drugs be
expiring because like y'all be giving people death penalties
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and don't be wanting to kill nobody.
That's crazy. It's all crazy to me.
None of it makes sense. Honestly, Ashley, I know you all
hear all this stuff in the background.
I'm sorry. Ashley believes that these
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judges and lawyers granting these stays.
Are giving prisoners a second chance that they don't deserve.
And in reality, if you're willing to brutally murder
someone in front of their children or knowing that their
children are in the home, what you did shout is what you get
back. And I also I have pictures of
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Miss Carol and I will post thoseas well because she's beautiful.
It makes Arkansas look like you can go out and do the most
destructive and hated hatred crime in Arkansas and get away
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with murder. Ashley said that, and she was
very emotional when she said that Stacy's attorneys have
asked for new DNA testing because they claimed the
original trial didn't allow for.Testing of sexual assault
evidence. The attorneys also asserted that
his boyfriend had a he had a history of domestic assault, but
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the police never investigating him.
I get, you know, he trying to pull it.
It wasn't me. It was him.
Like I didn't. But I'm still going off of what
Ashley said because Ashley said what she said and I believe it
100%. Maybe I'm crazy, maybe I'm not,
but Ashley had a valid point. She saw this man's face and she
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we don't know how much she saw, but we know she saw his face.
I mean got a clear shot at it face.
During the investigation of Carol Heath's murder, it was
discovered that she had been bitten on one of her breasts.
The exwife of Carol's boyfriend testified that he abused her
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during their marriage, which included biting her.
At one point, biting her breast at one point.
So now they're going to try to tie it in and say, oh, he
admitted this. Well, Mr. Johnson didn't do
this. You know, they, you know how
they do it. Y'all know how they do it.
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This is so, Mr. Johnson. Miss Stacy, this is not some
sort of last minute Hail Mary pass.
I know Stacy didn't say that. Bryce said that with the
Innocence Project. Johnson asked the DN asked for
DNA testing in earlier appeals, but those requests were denied
by the state and federal courts.There have been revolutionary
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advances in DNA testing since this case was initially
investigated, which could tell once and for all who actually
committed the crime. I hate to say it, but I still
believe Stacy committed the crime.
DNA aside, I still believe he committed the crime because the
child said that's who she saw. Despite the new motions to prove
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Johnson's innocence, he Ashley, says she knows Johnson is guilty
and she wants justice for her mom, Ashley said.
Pull up the crime scene photos of the victims and tell me if
any of those men deserve any clemency.
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While the law has promised closure in the form of
executions, the the Heath familywill have open wounds from the
death of Miss Carol Heath that they wish they could close.
Should. When I say that's absolutely
horrible, that's horrible. And I just feel like, you know,
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you shouldn't be interviewing the victim the way that they
were interviewing her. I feel like that went at her too
hard. OK, here's some more
information. A federal appeals court has
ruled that the death row inmate Stacy Johnson may sue the state
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of Arkansas to push to have his new DNA test run to clear him of
Carol Heat's 1993 murder Johnsonpoet post poised.
That DNA evidence may implicate he's boyfriend Brandon Ramsey as
her actual killer. I don't believe Brandon killed
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her. I still believe Stacy killed her
because that's who Ashley says she saw Johnson.
Mr. Stacy has spent a quarter century and at this point I feel
like it's probably been more than that on death row.
A federal appeals court has ruled that the Arkansas inmate
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on death row can sue the state in effort to have DNA test run
that could clear him. Whatever, whatever.
I don't believe that. That's.
I mean, if he want to get the DNA test done, let him get it
done. Johnson.
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Mr. Stacy. Again, I'm saying these names
'cause like I'm forgetting how I'm saying them.
But Stacy, at the time this article was written, was 53
years old, and he came within a day of being executed in 2017
for the 1993 murder of Carol Heath in the Queen, Arkansas.
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And this is what I was just talking about.
And no, it was not 2015. It was 2017.
My bad Johnson was one of the 8 Arkansas prisoners scheduled for
unprecedented string of back-to-back executions in 2017
by the governor at that time, ASA Hutchinson.
Johnson has been on death row since 1997.
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That's a long time here, dog. The day before Johnson was to be
put to death, the Supreme Court stayed his execution in a four
to three decision and remanded the case to trial court for a
hearing on his petition requesting additional testing of
physical evidence found at the crime scene which Johnson could
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prove his innocence. I don't believe it.
In 2019, after a lower court denied Johnson's request, the
Arkansas Supreme Court affirmed the lower ruling, clearing the
way for Johnson's execution. So
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I'm trying to give y'all key points in 2021.
Following a denial by the US Supreme Court to review his
case, Johnson sued the state attend Attorney General, the
prosecuting attorney of severe county and director of the state
crime lab, saying they continued.
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The continued refusal to allow new DNA testing constituted A
denial of due process. Johnson also sought an order
after or an order declaring Act 1780.
Unconstitutional and an injunction requiring defendants
to release DNA evidence for further testing.
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To me, it sounds like Mr. Johnson has done extensive
research on the topic. And I mean again, DNA doesn't
lie until it does. So if we can get a copy or get
the results from that DNA test, hey, we might be pushing some,
but right now Mr. Johnson is guilty and.
(48:43):
He was sent us how? He was sent us for a reason.
All right, y'all. I know this episode kind of
wonky and slow and all over the place because yeah, and you
going to hear a bunch of sounds.I was rattling a cup and some
other stuff, but I want y'all toknow I'm back.
I'm better one week at a time. I'm going to link all the
(49:08):
sources in the show notes. And I will also link all the
social So there's TikTok, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,
all the places you can be. That's where this podcast is.
If you want to give me a little follow, follow, let me tell you
what the name of the podcast or let me tell you the name of the
(49:31):
social media. OKOKI should have came prepared,
but I didn't. So on Instagram is TCWT Arkansas
pod. On Facebook my Facebook app is
(49:57):
being a B word. I guess I click it right there,
maybe I can. See.
So on Facebook is true crime with the twist.
Make it Arkansas. On Twitter, it's TCWT Arkansas
(50:20):
pod. I could be lying.
I think it's TCWT Arkansas Pod. Anyway, just look up TCWT
Arkansas and it should pop up. If it don't you get a E for
effort. Leave me some comments.
Rate me, rate me. Let me know if I'm doing.
(50:44):
Let me just talk to me so I can talk back to Y'all.
I'm really trying. I'm proud of myself for being
able to sit here and record thisepisode tonight.
It's going up as soon as I finish editing it.
Just show me, show me some love.Leave some comments, leave some
(51:07):
comments, suggestions, likes. If you got any case suggestions
you can always hit me on my Instagrule, the TCWT Arkansas
pod and you hit me in the messages.
Or you can leave the comment or the e-mail is TC.
Hold on, I'm sorry y'all, I'm still not prepared.
(51:35):
I'll be more prepared when I record the next episode, I
promise. It is TCWT arkansas@gmail.com
and if you have any suggestions.Anything.
(51:56):
You're just trying to talk. If you don't have Facebook, you
can reach out to me on any social media, really.
Or if you don't have Instagram, hit me up somewhere else.
But I love feedback. Positive.
Constructive, bad, whatever. I'm willing to listen so I can
learn. So just hit me up.
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I'm going to hit you back. And the Instagram is going to be
tagged Below I'm going to post pictures of Stacy, Miss Carol
and Stacy when he was convicted versus Stacy now.
Yeah, So please just give me a follow, Give me a like, give me
a comment, give me something, show me some love.
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Well this it y'all. I hope y'all have a good rest of
y'all day and a good rest of y'all week.
You are strong, you are beautiful, you are talented, you
are bold and you are brave and we going to make it so.
Y'all have a good night, get yousome rest and if it's during the
(53:01):
day, don't let nobody stress youout.
Walk away. If you got to walk away, y'all
have a good week. I'm saying it again because I
need y'all to really just have agood week.
So I'll talk to y'all later. Thank y'all for this.
I'm gonna call it a FaceTime, 'cause like, yeah, I love it
(53:21):
here. Thank y'all for answering my.
Call. And listen to me rambling for
all these minutes man. It's it's so much love out here
and I'm showing it to y'all alright.
Y'all I'll see y'all next time. Bye bye.
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