Ep 23 - Eras Tour Returns: Paris Shows & TTPD Set

The Eras Tour is back and Taylor gave us MANY new surprises with the reworking of the show, the addition of the TTPD set, many new costumes, and more. Anna is joined by guest co-host Emmy @emmydaqueen while Jessi recovers from being sick. 

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Episode Transcript

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Hey lovers, welcome to TSPN. And if you're aregular listener of ours, you may recognize
this as Anna's voice when Jesse usually doesthe voiceover here. So you may be thinking,
where's Jesse? And if you're on YouTube, youmay be saying, is that Jesse with brown hair
now? Does she get a new hairstyle? So Jesseis actually out today. She came down with strep

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throat. She said it's the worst strep throat,worst. she's ever felt. So she is really under
the weather. So I went ahead and tapped a personalfriend of mine and a fellow content creator,
Emmy. So Emmy, thank you for last minute hoppingon tonight. And we're going to talk about the
Parrish shows. We've got a lot in store, butI appreciate you joining us on TSBN. Oh, yeah,

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I am so excited to be here. I'm a weekly listener.So I'm a fan and a friend. So I'm excited.
I love that. Yeah, Emmy is, like I said, a personal,I actually know her, she's not some stranger
I met on the internet like Jessie, and mostof the listeners that do send us inboxes. But
yeah, Emmy is a fellow Swiftie and she has aTikTok account, but it's not really that focused

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on Taylor Swift content. I think you've madea video or two, right? Yeah, I've made a few,
but. Yeah, but what, you wanna just tell ourlisteners a little bit about your TikTok and
kind of the creation, or the content that youcreate online? Yeah, so my handle is EmmyDaQueen,
which initially was something that I came upwith in eighth grade in the Sonic Parking Lot
with a few friends. So there's really nothingmajor to that. However, my content focuses

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mostly on my number one passion in life, whichis television. It's all things television with
deep dives, analysis, character analysis, andplot analysis, plus just television news. Sometimes
I touch on movies. Sometimes I do touch on popculture, which will include Taylor Swift. But
mostly you can go there to find me talking abouttelevision. Succession, House of the Dragon,

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most recently Shogun. So if you like TV or youjust like to hear people talk, I love to do
that. So you can follow me on there at Emmydaquin.So it's E-M-M-Y-D-A like duh, queen. Duh. Emmydaquin.
So yeah, Emmy is, you do like Succession, stufflike that. And then she actually had a partnership

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with HBO recently. I'll brag on you a littlebit because. HBO wanted to reach Gen Z and
we're going after college creators and I won'tgive away your age but the latter half of your
20s, very close to 30. So Emmy in her late 20swas mistaken for a college student and they

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still took you up, right? You still had thatpartnership as a college creator. Oh yeah,
and I felt very phony saying that I was a collegecreator, but I didn't feel phony saying I'm
a Gen Z because that's a lie that I tell onthe daily. But I still was able to do the promotions,
which was great. And I talked about the Sopranos25th anniversary. So that was really awesome.

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I've loved making the videos. So it was reallycool to get that partnership. Yeah. It's so
funny. Yeah, she is a millennial that self-identifiesas Gen Z. And I always feel a little bit uncool
around Emmy. But I feel like you're actuallyaging out of being cool in Gen Z too. We've
been, you know, bet and slay and all those thingsare no longer cool to say anymore. No, and

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now it's like, I used to do the whole thingwith you where you would say the funny things.
Like you'd be like, slay, bet, and now I'm doingthat. And I'm like, oh no, oh no, I'm becoming
girly pop. Like I just, yeah, it's millennialcity for me. Yep, yep. So you've been a Swiftie,
you're... Pretty much since the beginning, right?Do you want to tell our listeners a little
bit about your history with being a Taylor Swiftfan? Yeah, so actually I grew up in Tennessee.

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So when Taylor Swift was coming on the scene,I feel like I was hearing rumblings about it
a lot. I followed her through debut, but mygrandparents actually saw her open for George
Strait, which was hilarious, to think aboutTaylor Swift opening for anybody, but it's
still pretty cool. So I followed her. Prettymuch from the beginning, I never really self-identified

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as a Swifty because I didn't know that muchabout the online communities or how to be a
Swifty until it was like, I think I jumped backin and speak now and I was really into speak
now in that era. So I think I became more ofa Swifty then. And then I was more on the low
key train until we got to folklore. And thereason that I really dove into the full online

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Swiftie-ism during that time is because a coworkerof mine was like, you need to listen to Folklore
and tell me all of your favorites. Just likesend them in order as you're listening. And
I said, okay. And so we decided to do that actuallywith every single album. And so to this day,
we have a ranking sheet. where we have rankedevery single song, we have master lists, we

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have emojis next to them. We have like differentweird things in this doc, but it like catapulted
me into it and since then I've been like a fullconspiracy head with Swiftie-ism. So it was
a really fun pastime in the pandemic that isnow just a lifestyle. Yeah, it's just like
part of our DNA. Exactly. And this coworker,shout out to Mark. But yeah, I remember being,

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I think we were at like a happy hour or somethingand you and Mark were talking about the rankings
and your top Taylor Swift songs. And I was like,I'm sorry, what can I join this conversation?
And I would say you guys were more hardcoreinto some of like the more fun side of being
a Swiftie than even I was at that time. Butwhat is your, what is your top era? My top

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era is probably folklore because that is moreof my style of music anyway. And I studied
creative writing in college, so her poetry,kind of jumping into that and really getting
into the storytelling aspect, which her songshave always been about storytelling, but with
Folklore when she was talking about writingall of these stories, not just about herself

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but about things that she was imagining forother people or for other things, I really
related to that. But secondarily, I'm a reputationgirl because that album, I remember when it
came out and listening to Getaway Car at workwith my friend. And it was like a religious
experience. Like we were literally sitting there,like it was the choir singing to us. We were

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like, whoa, get away car. Whoa, I ascended thatday. So, you know. Yeah, yeah. We've all had
that album that like, just shifts a little corepiece of your soul. Well, great. Well, I'm
sure we'll get to know you a little bit more.We obviously I know very well. The audience
will get to know you a little bit more as wetalk. But we do have a lot to discuss today.

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So obviously Paris. So Taylor was in Paris thispast weekend. We are filming on May 16th. So
she will be starting again in Stockholm, Swedenhere for the next weekend. We do have a correspondent
or. Ty, the tour respondent is back. So I dohave a clip from him that will play surrounding

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the Paris shows. And then we'll talk a littlebit about like the, all the costumes, the set
changes, all of that. So super exciting there.First though, I did wanna acknowledge the last
episode. If you guys did not listen to it, Jessieshared her story with postpartum depression
in honor of mental health awareness month. Andthen also it's maternal mental health awareness

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month. And that was. a super intimate and emotionalepisode. We had quite a few people reach out
personally, and I'm gonna start crying, damnit. It's like, it's not a TSP episode if I
don't start to cry. But just some of the peoplewho had reached out or even videos that were
made sharing your guys' stories and how Jesse'swillingness to share hers impacted you, like

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it... I can't even put words into what it means.I think that's one of those things where it's
like, we always wanna be focused on giving youguys quality content that's Taylor Swift related,
but that Jesse's story specifically for Postpartumwas received so well is just very rewarding.
And for everyone who did listen to it and gaveus feedback, we appreciate that. And you listened
to it too, didn't you? What were your thoughts?I did listen to it. I... I think that when

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I first learned about postpartum depressionand postpartum depression was the only thing
that I knew about, I remember hearing aboutit as a kid and the way that it was talked
about because I'm pretty sure either a celebrityhad it or it was in a storyline of a TV show
my mom was watching. It sounded more like aconviction than actually just a mental health

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diagnosis to get over. It was really... Kindof freaky to think about. It felt like a bad
word at the time, especially because I mean,I was young, didn't know much about it. But
even as I've gotten older and as I've had friendswho've started to have children or just thought
about what that would look like in the future,I've been like not even considering postpartum

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anything. And so I saw a TikTok probably abouta year ago about postpartum psychosis and rage
and it opened my eyes to a whole new world andI really started. looking into all the different
ways that you can be affected postpartum. AndI think that it's so important what Jessie
was doing talking about her story. It soundedextremely difficult. I was very thrown by the

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fact that she has no memories from that firstyear of her son's life because of just all
of these mental health issues following. thebirth of her child. And that is something that
I think is so important to know because youfeel so guilty or you feel so wrong when you
have a child and you aren't connecting thatit's just terrible because you don't hear about
that. You hear about how joyous it is, how muchwe have to this. Yeah. For us not being mothers,

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it's just like, how do we support our friendsand family and just anybody else who's going
through postpartum? Just because, I mean, oneof my closest friends who's very calm, chill.
After she had her baby, she kept being like,I feel like somebody's gonna break into my
house and steal my baby. And I was like, oh,okay. Because it's like, and I appreciated

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that she was like willing to say that. She'slike, I know I'm crazy, but she like was the
last person on earth who would have been likeworried about that. Like she didn't have a
care in the world. So I think it really doesjust kind of open up like the more that we're
willing to talk about it and share stories,like even for people who aren't mothers or
not mothers yet. or even men, right? Like justunderstanding like how much of a mind fuck

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having a baby is and that some people just havebaby blues, some people get over it right away,
but for many people it becomes almost like partof who you are, like legitimately long-term.
So yeah, so it was a great episode and I appreciatedJesse for sharing it. All right, so let's start
talking about the Aira show. So a lot of thingshave happened in the last week. Obviously Taylor

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took some time off with Tortured Poets releaseand just started back on tour in, and just
started back on tour in Paris. But Emmy, youwent to the Aira store, right? So why don't
you tell us a little bit about your experiencebecause actually fun fact, Emmy was in Nashville
night one and I was Nashville night two. Soyou got- the joys of the Speak Now announcement,

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but I'll let you tell your story. Yes. I wasthere for night one and I remember we were
walking in and my mom's like, I think she'sgoing to announce it tonight. I'm like, I think
she's going to announce it every night, so it'sa little tough for me to think that it would
happen on my night. However, not only did weget the Speak Now announcement, but during...
Listen, I have a kitten's bladder, so I knewI was going to have to pee during the show.

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I was like, when am I going to go? And it maybe controversial. I went... through, I went
in the beginning of the red era. I tried togo during the big opening or whatever. And
so I walked out and I was on the floor, lucky,I was very lucky. And I walked past the VIP
tent and no one was in there at that time. Andthen when I come back, I walk past the VIP

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tent and I look to my right and Mattie Healyis sitting in the tent. He'd just gotten in
there and I get back to my seat. My phone isblowing up. Everyone's like, Mattie Healy's
there, Mattie's there. This is real. there together.It was actually insane. And I got like this
really odd like side photo of him. And I thinkI gasped in his face. Like I walked by and
I was like, so that was great. And I'm a huge1975 fan. So I'm sure you know, that was that

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was really great moment for me. So yeah. Yeah,I am. I wouldn't have known Maddie Healy from
a guy smoking a cigarette outside of a gas station,right? Like I did not know who the 1975 was.
So I do remember that weekend and people freakingout that they were potentially dating. And
I had friends with really strong opinions andI was like, huh, who is this guy? Yeah, what

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were your thoughts on the relationship though?I know obviously him is a 1975 singer, but.
Yeah, you know, I was not very sure about itin general. I thought that it was a little,
I'll say it. I mean, I thought it was a littleweird. I didn't think that they were like the
most compatible, but at the same time I waslike. whatever she's yeah she and Joe had just

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broken up I was like if you're gonna reboundwith anyone which we now know it wasn't exactly
a rebound no um I was like Maddie Healy is thechoice because I mean he is like this like
the way you described him is perfect but heis like a babe he's charming she loves the
British well she did um so but I was I was alittle skeptical I was a little skeptical of

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it yeah Yeah, and obviously what came out abouthim and some of the things that were, you know,
a little unacceptable and, you know, perceptionscan change. And I think that's where it's just
it's not a fun thing to talk about. I thinkI think Taylor went to TPD addressed a lot
of, you know, clarity as far as that to yourpoint was not a quick rebound. But we were

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there for the commencement of it. So, yeah,you got to you got to gasp in his face and
be like, what the fuck are you doing here? Exactly.And I was there for the infamous, this is about
you, you know who you are. I love you duringthe cardigan song. So that was really exciting.
I looked back through my footage recently tosee if I had that on video and I didn't, but

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I did get a video of her when she's doing likethe this. So when she's about to say it. So
yeah, I felt kind of famous. Yeah. Nice. Yeah.Don't put that on TikTok. They'll take your
whole account down. Get like a content violation.Great. And then the Speak Now announcement,
how's that? Oh, I swear that I broke my voicethat day. I think that it hasn't been the same

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since because when she said that she had somethingspecial planned for the night, it was still
early on. Like this was still when friendshipbracelets weren't like super a thing. So I
didn't think you. I say that all the time. I'mlike, I swear I did not see friendship bracelets.
I got one, but I don't remember seeing them.It's like I got one but that was they gave
one to me because they were like, well, we didn'treally have anyone to trade with. So I got

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one because of that. But it was so excitingthough, because when she said that there was
a big night, it was a big show. I was like,okay, every show is a big show. We got a special
visitor. He knows that Taylor Swift wants himhere. Oh no, come on. Yeah. So for those who
are listening on like audio only. Emmys catwho has no name has joined us. He has. It's,

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he either has no name or he has like 20. Hehas a lot of nicknames. So, you know, it can
be either way. However, with the speak now announcement,I think that it was the whole stadium erupted
and the whole stadium erupted. I was like, isit a stadium or an arena? I always get those
mixed up. What? It's a stadium. Thank you. ButI think that I broke my voice because I was

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like, no way this is happening. No way. I screamedso loud. So yeah. I love that. I love that.
Well, good. I'm glad that you got to go andyou don't have tickets for anything coming
up, do you? Not right now. And I'm afraid aftershe's added this cool TTPD section, I'm not
going to get them because the price. Yeah. Yeah,chances went down, prices went up. There is

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a rumor though, I think Dumois, who even TreePainthas called out in the past, so we're not gonna
take many things that she says with tons ofcertainty, but she had said that there's been
clues, or I don't know, she gets tips or whatever,that there may be more shows being announced
soon, so that would be exciting. All right.Let's get into the Paris shows. So we will

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pass it over to Ty, the correspondent, to giveus his recap. The Ares Tour is officially back,
and I'm so excited to get to talk about it withyou guys. Taylor and her team took over Paris,
France last weekend and welcomed over 160,000Swifties to the city. While there, those Swifties
enjoyed four sold out shows at Paris La DefenseArena. where Taylor debuted over 13 brand new

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outfits. But that definitely was not the onlydebut we saw as Paramore made their 2024 Ares
Tour debut after opening the tour last yearin 2023. But Hayley Williams and the members
of Paramore were far from the only celebritiesthat we saw at these shows as influencer Chris
Olsen and the entire US Women's Water Polo teamwere found on the floor for multiple nights.

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And we also got to see Travis Kelce, Gigi Hadid,and Bradley Cooper show up for Taylor's 87th
show on Sunday. While performing that night,it also seemed like Taylor Swift debuted some
special outfits that were made just for TravisKelce and the Chiefs. But while Travis is used
to being the most important person on Sunday,this past Sunday there was a guest there that

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was even more important in Taylor's heart andmany Swifties, as Andrea Swift was also in
attendance for that show. most likely becauselast Sunday was American Mother's Day, a holiday
which isn't celebrated in France until the endof the month. Of course, the biggest surprise
we got all weekend was the addition of the TorturedPoets department to the set list. However,

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alongside that, we did see some other fan favoritesleave the show. But if some of your favorites
were part of that cut, Taylor may have madeup for it in the surprise song section, as
we had some awesome tracks come out last weekend.On night one, Taylor played Paris and loss
of my life and followed that up on night twowith a mashup of is it over now and out of

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the woods and my boy only breaks his favoritetoys. On night three, we heard Hey Steven and
Maroon. And then finally on night four, forthat 87th show, she played the alchemy mashed
up with treacherous and followed it up witha mashup of Begin Again and Paris. All that
said, we're headed into this weekend with threemore exciting shows in Stockholm, Sweden. So

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make sure you're back here next week to findout exactly what happened at the Eras tour.
All right. Thank you, Ty, as always. Love thoserecaps. So, yeah, let's get into kind of breaking
down some of those pieces. First off, did youhear about the women's water polo team? I had
forgotten about that till he mentioned it. Doyou know that story? No, not at all. OK. Yeah,

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so one of the players, her name's Maggie Stephens,so, or Stephen Stephens, so she posted on Instagram
and was like, hey, like, you know, because they'rewomen's water polo, right? So they're going
to the Olympics, the US team, and they needsponsors because most of those women have like
full-time jobs still, and like they can't justlike make a living off being a water polo player,

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unfortunately, here in the United States specifically.And so she had kind of like... on social media
and then Flav of Flav commented and was like,I'll sponsor you. And he like posted in the
comments. And so he's like, I'll get in contactwith you, whatever. And then he reached out
or whatever. And so he was gonna fly them allto Paris cause the Olympics are in Paris this

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summer. So he flew them all to Paris and hisplan was to send them to the AeroStore. And
then Taylor went ahead and comped all thosetickets. So the whole water polo team got to
go to the AeroStore. I love that. I love, wait,so you're telling me though that like being
an Olympian is not your job because imaginebeing an Olympian and having to find a nine

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to five. Yeah, well exactly, exactly. Like,well and think about, I mean, even like us
doing this podcast, I know you're not doingit every week with us, but I mean, it's a lot
of work and like working a normal nine to five,like there's definitely like, it's a hobby.
I don't have kids, so it's a little bit different,but. I can't imagine a sport like that. I mean,
maybe they don't work full-time jobs, but they'redefinitely working. Like it's not their only

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source of income. Right, yeah. Taylor Swiftkind of is like the Olympian of music. Her
and Beyonce are like doing it different. Yeah,exactly. They could be in the Olympics. Well,
you know how they say like for like Olympicathletes, like when they're running like track
or like, let's say they're swimming in the pool,they're like put a normal person in there to
like help balance out like what's normal. It'slike put a normal. like pop star on stage and

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it's like just the difference in caliber. Yeah.So exactly the Olympic level of superstars
on stage are Taylor Swift and Beyonce. Exactly.All right. Well, let's get into. All right.
So the set order, just for our listeners, I'llreally quickly kind of go through the changes.

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So the initial era's tour set, the differenteras were in this order. So it started with
Lover. Fearless, Evermore, Reputation, SpeakNow, Red, Folklore, 1989, the Acoustic Surprise
song set, and then Midnights. So that was theoriginal. And what has changed? So she's still

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starting with Lover and then Fearless is second.So those are identical to before. And then
Red got bumped up. So Red is now in the thirdspot, whereas it used to be a little bit further
into the middle.
Kind of midway through, but now is fourth. Reputation,and then she does folklore and evermore. She

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combined them into like, folk more, I guessis what it's called. And we'll talk about our
reactions to that. 1989, which used to be followedup by the surprise song sets, but after 1989,
she went into TTPD, so that was the new set,which I think most people kind of knew was
coming, but still shocking to see. And thenafter TTPD, she does the acoustic surprise

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songs and then still ends the tour with Midnights.So kind of the last two sets and the first
two sets are the same and then amongst the middle,it kind of got a little jumbled up and mixed
around. So tracks that were removed, so a fewtracks from Folk Learn Evermore got shortened.
Long Live was one that was an addition to theSpeak Now set after she released Speak Now.

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but that one is now gone again. And then RIPto the archer, the one, the last great American
dynasty, tis the damn season, intolerated.
I was like, I'm okay with the Archer and someof the other ones. I don't know why I'm okay,

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maybe because it wasn't in the movie like originally,but the tolerate it was a moment, you know,
tolerate it was like a spectacle. And I thinkthat, you know, we'll talk about TTPD in a
second. And it's like, that's all a spectacle.But tolerate it was like our first real I feel
like foray into the Broadway of it all. So youknow, it felt like I mean, that was something

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that was shocking to see for the first time.You're just like a gut punch, you know? And
it's like gone. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I feellike, I don't know, I guess it's commemorated
in the movie, but if I was going to the tourfor the first time, that would be the one that
I think I would be disappointed, got left out,but you can't win them all. Like Taylor can't

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please us all. And I know some people are likedevastated about Archer and you know, different
ones that I wouldn't really, I shouldn't saycare less about. Don't come after me. Um, all
right. And then what are your thoughts on thecombining of Folklore and Evermore? Well, Folklore
is like, I would like for her to do the wholealbum actually for Evermore as well. So cutting

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anything from them kind of hurts. I think thoughthat it makes sense potentially, you know,
in the long term to combine them because theyare sister albums and the vibe is similar.
Do I love it? Can't say that I do, but I thinkit makes sense that I think it works. Yeah,
well, and when Jesse and I were planning, sowe're doing Swiftie 101, which is like you

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guys, like dozens of hours for every, for everyera. So we're still working through it. But
we are going to combine folklore and evermoreto some degree, because within each of the
Swiftie 101, like, sections that we're studyingand like, kind of building out for you guys,
it's, you know, some of it is very tailoredto the album. So it's like, what was the album

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announcement and the album roll out and whatwere clues for the album, right? And then there's
a lot that's like, what was the aesthetic? Whatwere some of the clues? What are the interviews
she did? What are like notable things that happened?And that's where it's like kind of the same
era when you start to kind of think about whatwas like her style and aesthetic. Like there
wasn't really a big differentiation betweenthe two. I mean, they were released within

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six months of each other in both kinds of surprises.So I could see where in Taylor's mind, if like
an era is really kind of a two year span. whereit encompasses not just the album itself, but
like the whole aura, the appearances, the interviews,like then they are kind of one. Yeah, I could

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see even in the future, you know, if thingsget added or things get changed around, she
could combine other eras that are like earlieron, you know, if debut ever comes to the arrow
store, she could combine it with something elsea little, so. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I just,
I don't get why debut's like, I don't know.My feelings on it are very sad, but I think

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for me it's more the perplexity that what doesshe have up her sleeve and why didn't she include
it? Like, I just feel like there's somethingthat's going to happen with debut if we ever
even get it. I mean, it's her namesake. So it'sjust interesting that it was excluded for the
eras tour. So I think that there's, yeah, there'sa reason obviously for anything that she does,

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but There's a reason. Yeah, yeah. And we willfind out. So all right. What about the TTPD
set? OK, so for our listeners, the Daddy I LoveHim was the first one. She did like kind of
the bridge of So High School. So High Schoolwas in it, but it wasn't the full song. Who's

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Afraid of Little Old Me? Down Bad. Fortniteand then the smallest man who ever lived and
that's the one that if you saw online That'sone where she performed with like a whole drum
line and was more militaristic Gosh what a Whata shock. I mean, what were your kind of instinctual

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thoughts when you first saw it? I think thatshe has so many different ways different paths
that she could take her career on in the futureand I've always thought when I Listen, I'm
gonna kind of veer off for a second. When Isaw Lady Gaga in 2009, I promised this works,
it felt like a Broadway show, it really did.There were set pieces, the choreography was

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insane. That's what this felt like. And it feltlike something she's been wanting to do. And
I think with stuff for other eras, she definitelycould have, but with this one, I think she's
really confident and she is saying kind of likewhat she can. do. And I was really excited
about that. So like my favorite, my two favoritesongs on the album were not included in the

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set guilty as sin and fresh out the slamma.But I thought that everything that she did
was so different and exciting. And I was interestedto see her kind of in this more, I don't know,
spectacle route. So yeah, yeah. And the wholescene change where her two dancers like pick
her up and carry her to the couch and they doit's almost like a mime type thing like all

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of that. I don't know it's just a jam pad Ifeel like that era on its own. I mean it's
a it's a no miss it you even your little kittybladder like you said before, like you can't
you can't skip any of it because it's not justher singing on stage and there's so much more
going on, and I can't believe that those dancersand. the lights and the band, everything that

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goes into it. They had to have been workingon this several months, even before, I would
guess. Even if the dancers weren't working onchoreography, think about ordering the pieces
and the costumes and all of that, wild. No,I thought that it was super interesting too.
I liked all of the transitions. And I thinkthat the end of it, with going to the smallest

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man who ever lived, into I Can Do It With aBroken Heart and that transition where she
is kind of doing the whole like silent filmover acting, but they're having to pull her
up and really like put her into the zone. Ithought that it was, she likes to act. She
likes to do those like corny-er things thatare a little bit over the top, which as I said,
is kind of Broadway. And I think that she washaving a lot of fun making her show into a

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show in another type of way. Yeah, like it startsout as like the Broadway version of Lion King
with those shells, you know, like, yeah, butthen it's like, then it turns into like Les
Mis or Chicago or whatever. Did you see though,have you seen any of the TikToks comparing
the set of TTPD to some of the sets that Maddiehas done? I know since you're a 1975 fan, like

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what are your thoughts there? Yes, I have. I,you know, there she wants us, she wants us
to make those connections in her music in torturepoets department. She wanted us to compare
some of the songs directly to things that the1975 has done, or things that Maddie have said.
So I thought that some of those comparisonswere just, you know, subtle enough, but obvious

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enough at the same time that it's like, yes,this is, this is all about him. It's all about.
Yeah, yeah, not all. Yeah, well, exactly. No,we're not claiming the whole album. Well, and
The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived is one thatI've been kind of on the fence about. Like
I thought that it could be about Scott Bershetta,just because, you know, the whole you deserve
prison, but you won't get time. Like, I don'tknow. I mean, maybe Maddie did do something

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that deserves prison, but it's very dramatic.But she did say that she wrote like very hyperbolic,
like in hyperbole's and just was very much.dramatic in her writing. So maybe it is about
Maddie and she's just being dramatic, but thewhole concept of the potential NDA, like, you
know, in 50 years will this all come out? SoI was really kind of on the fence there, but

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the direct kind of symmetry of that set forthat song to things that Maddie has done in
his sets kind of clarifies for me that maybeit is more about him. But Jesse and I have
talked about this a ton, and I know our listenersprobably are aware of this. I just feel like
so many of these songs are actually about multiplepeople or multiple situations and, you know,

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even thinking through, okay, so do you knowthe daddy, I love him, how there's the two
verses and then kind of the bridge. So do youremember Tim McGraw's Don't Take the Girl?
Have you heard that song? Are you a countryfan? Well, yes. I grew up in Tennessee, but
I feel like the country... Once I left there,all of the country for my childhood, I got

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it in here, but then it's like some of it Ididn't know, so I don't know that one. Yeah,
okay, so don't take the girl. Okay, so it'searly morning, they're going fishing, and the
dad wants to take the girl fishing, and theboy's like, please don't take the girl. He's
like a little boy. He's like, I don't want thegirl to come, please don't take the girl, right?
And then, hold on, let me look up the leaders.I wanna actually tell this story, cause I feel

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like it's a good parallel. Oh my god, this isthe most country shit ever too. So I'm looking
at the lyrics just to be clear. Johnny's daddywas taking and fishing when he was eight years
old. Jimmy Johnson, take Tommy Thompson, butdon't take the girl. Take my friends, Jimmy
Johnson and Tommy Thompson. OK, I swear thisis part of that, but daddy, I love him. OK,

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so the first verse in chorus is please. I takemy friends, but please, let's not take the
girl fishing. OK? And then same old boy, samesweet girl, 10 years down the road, he held
her tight and kissed her lips, you know, frontof the picture show. So now they're dating,
right? And then a stranger came up and pulleda gun, grabbed her by the arm and said, if

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you do what I tell you, there won't be any harm.I feel like I'm dramatically reading poetry
right now, but it's not. It's Tim McGraw. Sothen in that second verse, the don't take the
girl is him pleading with the robber, right?So instead of pleading with his dad, hey, don't
take the girl fishing with us. I don't wanta girl on the fishing trip. Now he's saying,

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oh my God, to the robber, please don't takeher from me. Cause he like, you know, well,
he probably wants to save her life, but I takeit as that he loves her, right? So then in
transition, same old boy, same sweet girl, fiveyears down the road, there's gonna be a little
one. And she says, it's time to go. The doctorsays the baby's fine, but you'll have to leave
because the mama's fading fast and Johnny hithis knees. And then he prayed, don't take the

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girl. Because she, I don't know, look at yourface. If anybody's listening to the audible
version of this and isn't watching on YouTube,I just like shocked at me. Yeah, so now the
girl, the same girl that couldn't go fishingand got robbed, now she's in the hospital.
She's had the baby. and she's gonna die andhe's praying to God, please don't take the

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girl, okay? Okay, so the reason I bring up thissong is in the Long Pond Studio Sessions, when
Taylor is talking about the last great Americandynasty, yeah, she talked a little bit about
how country is written in those ways where it'slike the storyline and then it's like, oh,
the house is mine and it's me instead of RebeccaHarkness, right? Like she kind of. mimicked

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that storytelling and that's what she likesabout country music. So when Jessie told me
that But Daddy I Love Him, which is obviouslyon TTPD, is something that reminds her of 90s
country, it got me thinking about just the lyricsof But Daddy I Love Him because it does feel
like the two like main verses are actually speakingto like different scenarios. And then in the

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bridge where, hold on. We have another specialguest behind me. Carlos is joined. Oh, yes.
He's trying to get onto my background, whichshould not be good. I'm gonna set off their
automatic feeders so that they stop, becausethey start circling me like I'm their prey
whenever they're hungry. I'm mama, not prey.Good. So here's the part that of the Badaday

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11 that I feel like is very much where I'm like,I've heard a lot of people be like, it's about
Travis, it's about Maddie, it's about whoever,right? It's about the fans. I mean, honestly,
there's definitely messages for the fans orfor the, maybe not the fans as much as some
of the crazy ones who are praying for her tobe a better role model or whatever. So she
is saying that... There's a lot of people inthis town that I bestow upon my fakest smiles.

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Scandal does a funny thing to pride but bringslovers closer. We came back when the heat died
down, went to my parents and they came around.All the wine moms are holding out but it's
over. So that's the end of that story. Thatis a breakup. Now I'm dancing in... my dress

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and the sun and even my daddy just loves him.So that's where I'm like, that's the Travis.
It's like, it's like the ending of the bad relationship.And then it's transitions. That's where I think
that a lot of these songs, she's almost doingthat 90s country thing where she's like layering
in the stories and one song is actually multiplemuses, which again comes back to the braided

(36:59):
poetry concept. And she uses the word braidseveral times in different songs. So yeah,
that's my take on Batatii, I love him. Yeah,I actually thought something interesting, well,
not interesting, I don't know if it's interesting,might not be, I thought something about Fresh

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Out the Slammer, which is kind of related tocountry, and I'm like kind of wanting her to
do more of a modern or Taylor Swift now versionof a country album, because Fresh Out the Slammer,
when it starts to get toward the part whereit's like, I can't remember the lyrics right
now, but it starts to slow down. It like remindsme kind of like of a train, like chugga chugga.

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It's like giving some older like Johnny Cashvibes in a way, not exactly the way that it
sounds, but more reminiscent of kind of likethe themes and stuff. I mean, prison as well.
So I was like, with this storytelling conceptand a little bit of kind of the more experimental
stuff she's doing with some of these songs,that'd be fun. That'd be fun. Maybe that's
her next. Yeah, even the use of slammer and,um, and just some of the themes, like I feel

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like I do get old country Western vibes. Okay.So we just sidebarred hard. So welcome to being
a cohost on TSPN. Jesse and I do this all thetime. So let's bring it back. Um, so yes, I
think for me, I was most surprised from theTTPD set that she included so high school.

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That would have been one. Like if you were tothe head your bets? Is there one that you didn't
expect that was there? Is that the same foryou or what are your thoughts? It's the same
for me, but once it was there, I was like, she'sin love. Oh my gosh, is she in love? Yeah.
Crazy. Like extreme love. Yeah. Well, I thoughtthe alchemy was going to make the set. I just

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really liked, I know she did it for a surprisesong, but I just really liked the alchemy as
like a stadium anthem. I think it like has agood buildup and like amplified. And I personally
think that's about Travis. I mean, Oh, yeah.And no, I do too. Yeah. I thought that, um,
I think if I thought that one was going to beincluded, that wasn't, it was the black dog

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for some reason. I just felt like that one,if she was going to include one of the ones
from the second half of the album, the doublealbum, et cetera, it was going to be that one,
I think a lot of people have buzzed about thatone a little bit more. But I think. Once she
included So High School the way that she did,I really liked it. I thought it was fun. Yeah.

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I guess So High School is really the only onefrom the second part, isn't it? I never really
thought about that now that I'm looking at themall. Yes. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. What is
your favorite? You said guilty of sin and freshout of the prison. Or fresh out of the slumber.
Yeah, fresh out of the prison. Yes, fresh outof the slumber. Which is funny because like
I use the word slammer all the time but I likeguilty of sin fresh out the slammer and then

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You and Jesse's reactions to the bridge of smallestman who ever lived was also my reaction So
that one's probably my like third one up therebut I also love Peter because I love like Peter
Pan imagery in cardigan as well and So Peterkind of is close to home as well Yeah, if you
yeah, if you want to catch the reaction thatshe's talking about that's on our tik-tok TSPAT

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network if you want to catch that but I've beenreally into how did it end lately, like the
last week. I just love because I think it'slike a bigger piece about like how we gossip
as people. Like I don't think it's necessarilylike about a person as much as it's more like
the natural themes of us like societally ofyou know, you hear that some things happen.

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and you know, oh, I'm gonna go home and youtell your husband, cause you can trust him
and then you call your cousins and the firstthing they ask is how does it end? And so for
all of our listeners, this is something I wasgonna make a video about, but I'll just talk
about it now. One of the things that I reallynoticed, and I noticed it when I was listening
to it on headphones, like I've got really niceBose headphones, but I can also hear it really
well, like with just normal headphones. Butthe way in which the background like, ah, you

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know, like the noises that are basically creatingthis like chorus in the background grow throughout
the song, I think is like symbolic of the growthof the gossip, right? So it starts with her
just saying like, you know, it's, you know,it's over whatever. And she she's just going
to tell she's like, we'll tell no one exceptall our friends, which is so relatable. It's

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like, yeah, Emmy, let's keep a secret. I promiseI won't tell anybody and then I'll go tell
my husband and he's like, Okay, well, I'm gonnago tell my friend because that's a crazy story,
you know. And even if it doesn't get back toyou, I promise I haven't shared any of your
secrets. But you know, that's how gossip happens,right. And so by the end, that's why I think
that song is so beautiful because she's like,come one, come all it's happening again, the

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empathetic hunger descends, like, if you startto kind of hear it in the growth of it, I just
I love that build up. It's my favorite rightnow. Yeah, she's in this album, she talked
a lot about that stuff. And I think that shetalked a lot about she sees everything which
we know, but hearing her actually sing aboutit in such like an emotional way and then in

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multiple different ways that she, you know,she knows everything about how people tried
to. stop her relationship with Maddie. She knowseverything about every single piece of gossip,
every questioning of anything she ever does.I just think that is a really big themes around
this whole album. Yeah, it's about fame. Yeah,the themes of fame. And she even said that

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in a few of her voice memos, right? So it'slike undeniable that she's addressing what
it's like to be famous and whatnot. And I thinkbreaking the fourth wall with, you know, look
at your faces. That was so shocking. I mean,I remember my friend and I were texting each
other as we were listening and we were justboth like, like it was whoa. Like what me?

(42:55):
It honestly it charred me a little bit. I hadto get over it. It took me a while to be like,
is she calling me out? But I went over thatin our reaction episode of my feelings of being
like called out. But then I'm like, wait, Idon't think it's about all Swifties. I think
it's definitely about, you know, the criticalones are the ones who are trying to shape her
into a box, right? versus just people who aretalking about theories and whatnot. But I do

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think that there's been a lot of kind of critiquingof each other amongst the fandom. I've seen
a ton of comments where when people are doingtheory videos that people are commenting with
quotes like, and the crowd wanted more or thecrowd chanted more. You'd think I would know
the damn lyrics. Even Liss, who's a Liss 117,I think 117. And then Nikki, I know made a

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video, there's been several that have made videoskind of in response to that because Taylor
still wants to Easter egg. Like she's not abandoningthat part of who she is. She's still gonna
be leaving eggs. She still wants us to be liketheorizing and guessing what's next. And that's
not necessarily us chanting more and askingtoo much for her. But I do see how people interpret
that song. But I think her addressing fame andher addressing the fans started a little bit

(44:09):
of a civil war amongst Swifties themselves.Oh, big time. And I think that there's things,
you know, in But Daddy I Love Him, she's talkingabout the judgmental creeps who say they want
what's best for me. And I think, you know, thereare the people who maliciously want what's
best for them for her. But then there's, youknow, other fans that she does love the protection

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from them. And she does love the love from themin that way. But I also do, she asks us...
to look for Easter eggs. And I don't think thatlooking for Easter eggs or theorizing, ooh,
this could happen is chanting more exactly becausewhen things don't, I mean, when theories don't
work out, then it's like, okay, onto the nextone. It's not like, are you, I am done with

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Taylor Swift. No, it's not like that, so yeah.Yeah, well, and the whole concept of red herring
too, like a false clue, like she's, yeah, it'sso layered. And yeah, so we'll. We'll hopefully
kind of shake our way out of that. Shake itoff. We'll shake our way out of that because
it's been a little bit more hostile, I feellike, in the fandom, like amongst like comment

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sections and stuff. But I haven't really postedthat many Taylor Swift theories since TTPD
came out. For those who don't know, who don'tfollow my Creative Chronicles account, I actually
was on the news this past week. I was on NewsNation talking about the CEO of JPMorgan, Jamie
Dimon. I made a video that went viral. It kindof blew up in the ways that I didn't want it

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to blow up if I'm being fully transparent, butI took that opportunity. And that's another
reason why I wasn't like totally up to datewith what was happening with Paris this past
week and had to catch up. But I say all thatto say I haven't been doing a ton of Swift
Talk stuff. And you've even said, Emmy, likeyou're afraid of the Swifties, like in your
comments, right? Oh, yeah. There'll be timeswhere I'm like, I mean, there are things, there's...

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Criticism and then there's like just critiqueand stuff and I think critique is healthy critique
is what she wants critique is what she Wantsbecause she herself thrives off of that creative
like thinking through stuff and thinking ofhow things could be Done differently or done
better, but it's you know sometimes there canbe things where it's like if you say something
With the best of intentions of your own interpretationand your own like well You know questioning

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something people can take it as an attack, andI don't think that it always is or that you're
wrong because obviously it's something else.Right, exactly, because it's like, that's again,
this whole poetry thing, I mean, as I said,I studied creative writing in college and it's
all about your interpretations and that's what'simportant. Even with Jessie, last week talking
about her, however more helped her through herpostpartum depression, it was incredible to

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me how differently people can interpret thesesongs and yet it still applies to these different
things that they're going through. Like thatsong might not be about postpartum depression,
but it impacted her so deeply and it was soexact to what she was going through. So, you
know, things aren't wrong exactly. I mean, ifyou mean it maliciously, sure, but yeah. Yeah,

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no, I agree. I agree. Well, great. Well, backto the Paris shows. We had a ton of new outfits.
I know Ty mentioned, I think he said more than13. He's so funny. I love that he can like,
you know. always pull it back to the clues.So brand new lover bodysuit, which is like
an orange and hot pink and the boots were orangeat the top and then they fade to pink at the

(47:37):
bottom. I'm gonna circle back to that becauseI'm a karma theory truther, so we're going
to talk about the karma theory. Fearless hada new dress, so it was kind of the rendition
of the like gold tassel one that she's worn,but it had black and silver and actually a
little bit of gold in it too. We've new 1989pieces, which you and I will circle back on.

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The new surprise song, Dusters, a new Midnightsbody suit, folklore or folk more, I guess,
since it's both of now new folk more dress.That one that was hot pink, the folklore evermore
dress, the hot pink was the most gorgeous colorI think I've ever seen in my life. Like I wanted
to make that color my entire personality. Onething that I want to talk about is the new

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duster. So let's start there. So my take onthe new duster when I first saw it, so when
I went to Nashville night too, that was oneof the nights, I've seen it happen again, but
it was one of the nights where when she puton her duster, if you recall, there was like
a droopy strap that kind of just hung off hershoulder. And one of them was like stuck under

(48:50):
her armpit. Like when she put it on, it didn'tmake it around and she called it out. Like,
you know, I have it on video on my phone ofher being like, oh yeah, we get dressed in
the dark, right? And I've seen that a few othertimes. Maybe I noticed it because I went to
a show where she did it but I just think thatthe new duster, like having a very similar
silhouette but not having that droopy sleevestood out to me is like maybe that was intentional

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just for the sake of like making it better forthe change. And then same thing with the high
low, like the front is very straight, like almostlike a bang, right? And then it goes low, whereas
the one before was more of like, just a verydeep slit. And if you recall, when she walks
around in those original dusters, she wouldkind of kick her legs out. Like I almost wonder

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if she was like afraid of tripping, cause shewould like kick through the slit to make sure
she wasn't stepping on it. So. I question forthe duster specifically if the redesign, I
mean, obviously she would have done a new designanyway since the piece underneath is new, but
like the changes to the silhouette to me feelvery much like, you know, correcting some of

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the issues they may have had from a costumedesign standpoint. I think, yeah, as you said,
she was gonna change them anyway, but they stilllook quite similar. Those have never been my
favorite outfit of the show in general, butI think that this one looks a little bit more
functional. for what she's doing and just likewalking around. I mean, she's tall and she's
walking around and heels all the time on stageand it's like toward the end of the show. This
is a safer bet for her, so. Yeah, yeah. Well,and I have a dress that's identical to that

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I bought for my brother's wedding and I thinkmy brother got married in like 2012, 2013.
And I just got rid of it because I was like,this is ugly. I'll never wear this again, where
it's like very short in the front and straightand very long in the back. And it has that
same like V-neck silhouette. And like not thatI'm going anywhere that I need that fucking
dress. You know what I mean? But I just gotrid of it. And so when I saw her on stage,

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I was like, are you kidding me? Like, this iswhy you hoard clothes. This is back in style.
Exactly. If Taylor Swift wear it, it's likeRegina George and Mean Girls. If she wears
it, it's cool. So, no. Yeah. Yeah, tear up somenewspaper, make a skirt. We'll do our TTPD
moments in public. Well, good. All right. Iknow you have strong opinions about 1989. You

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had said them earlier off camera and I laughedbecause I kind of agreed. So the new 1989 two
piece for those who haven't caught up, it usedto be kind of matchy. You had like the green
and the blue and the pink, right? And it wasmatching top, matching bottom, more sequins,
more just kind of simple silhouette And nowwe have like more of a skater skirt where it's
like tight at the top. And then it's very flouncyas it goes out. And then a different kind of

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bust line with like a tiger emblem. Like, didyou see the little, each of them has this like
broach, like in between her breasts, um, thatkind of looks like a necklace and it's a, like
a tie, which I love you guys, if you've seenit on YouTube, my whole wall behind me is tiger
wallpaper is like, I love a tiger or a whateverit is, any of the big cats. But, um, the colors

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that she's choosing are bright and mismatched.So go ahead, what do you think? I'm a very
muted tone dresser in general. So the very brightmismatch thing was like, what when I first
saw it. And I really was not understanding why.The style, the cut of the top, I did see a

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tweet comparing it to some of the 1989 outfitsthat she wore when she had that little. I think
it was like a little bomber jacket over it,so that made sense. But that was still like
black within like, you know, maybe more of amore tame color on the bottom. I just, the
mismatched shoes, it's a lot for me. Does shelook good? She looks great. However, it's a

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lot. It's not my favorite of hers. Yeah. Yeah,the colors to me are, they give me like fruit
vibes. Like I'm like, oh, watermelon and peach,or you know, like they, it very much reminds
me of if you were to get gummy worms and theywere to be two-toned. Which one do you want
to pick? I'm definitely going to go for thepink and the blue one. That's the gummy worm

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that I'm choosing. Yeah. No, yeah. I love it.Yeah. Well, and to me, one of the things that
I started looking up, especially in prep ofthis conversation was I know that the two piece
was a huge thing during the 1989 era, not juston tour, but when she did Street Style and
was just out and about or at the Victoria'sSecret shows, wherever she was. She always
had her little And most of the stuff that shewore was matching sets. So I'm gonna take this

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full circle here. So they were all matchingsets, or if the bottom was like a printer color,
the top would have been white or black. Andyou guys could go through the depths of Google
Image Search and maybe find another examplewhere it's like total mismatch like that. But
I could not, like again, Google's gonna serveyou what it thinks you wanna see. And the next
thing you know, you're like in the fearlessera because you clicked on three things and

(53:44):
you got lost in the internet. but I really couldn'tfind like a good example of mismatched two
pieces except the 2016 Grammy Awards where shewore the orange top and the pink skirt. Yep.
Yeah, you know where I'm headed. Okay, so that,so for our listeners, that Grammy Award was

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in 2016. So 1989 was released in 2014, likein November, I think. Late October, late October,
November. So it was released in 2014. So duringthe 2015 Grammy, she would have gotten nominations
for like the singles, like maybe Shake It Offor anything that would have come out before
the Grammy cutoff. And then 2016 was the GrammyAwards where she was actually nominated for

(54:29):
the album itself. And so she won album of theyear. As we know, that was the speech that
she gave where she kind of called out Kanyefor the famous incident. For those who want
a recap on that, KJ, KJ Miller, our fave. TwoQueens, Two Crowns, she just did an episode
about Kim and Taylor and went through the wholesummer phone call incident in detail, even

(54:52):
played some of the clips of it. And then I appearedon the follow-up of that. So there's two episodes
about it. I'm on one of them. You definitelyshould listen to both though, because I think
it kind of provides context to like that Grammymoment because, you know, Kanye had released
Famous. He had, at this point, a phone callhad not been released, but he had come out
and said, you know, I think... that Taylor Swiftmight owe me sex, why I made that bitch famous.

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And I'm not sure if the music video was outyet, which depicted her completely nude, but
regardless, she goes up on the Grammy stage,she's holding the Grammy, and she's like, if
anyone ever tries to take credit for your fame,you get where you're getting, right? Or I don't
know if she said fame, but even just like yoursuccess in life. So that Grammy moment is so

(55:36):
impactful. So that is why when I saw the twopieces that where I'm like either this is leading
into reputation era, because it was kind ofthe start of, it was in I think February or
March of 2016 would have been the Grammys. Ithink they were a little bit later. Now they're
running in like early February, but I thinkit was in maybe March. And then you kind of

(55:57):
had the summer where she, her and Calvin brokeup and then she had the Tom Hiddleston fling
and you've got the Met Gala incident. Um, youknow, you got Calvin on Twitter, you know,
calling her out for bullshit and then it comesout that she wrote Calvin and Rihanna. And
we found out about the pseudonym with Nils Sorgeberg.That summer is like when we do Swiftie 101,
that's going to be like a two episode summer,I feel like. Um, and so that then led to her

(56:19):
falling off the map and going into hiding forabout a year. And so she would have been due
if she was following the two album. cadencethat she had always, or I'm sorry, two year
cadence that she had always done where she wasreleasing an album in the fall every two years.
She would have been due for a new album thatfall or that winter in 2016, which people have

(56:42):
dubbed as the Karma album. And it has been giventhe color orange to represent Karma. Okay.
And there's many reasons for that. The man wall,Karma is written in orange. I think in the
Look What You Made Me Do music video when she'sswinging in the cage. It represents the songbird
that got locked in the cage. She's wearing orange.She's in the vault in the look what she made

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me do music video. When she says, all I thinkabout is karma. There was an interview in Vogue
and 73 questions with Vogue in April of 2016,where she said they asked her some question.
I forget what the question was, but her answerwas karma is real. Okay. I just pulled this.
Are you, is your jaw dropped right now? I mean,I feel like I can't believe I'm pulling all
these facts like this. Oh my gosh. I know. You'rea scholar. Yeah, for our listeners, I'm not

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cutting out the gaps. I'm actually thinkingof these things on the fly. So all of those
things are why people think Karma is the nameof the missing album. And even if it's not,
it is, Taylor knows that that's the thing. Andthat's why when she announced Karma as a song
in the Midnight's Mayhem with Misa, she likelaughed because she's like, you guys are fucking

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going to die. So I say all that. We've got 1992pieces that are different color top and bottom.
and the new lover suit was orange and the bootswere orange faded to pink just like that damn
dress. Oh. Listen, I was not necessarily, Iwouldn't say I was a karma truther because

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I was really, when I started getting into theconspiracies, I was in like Woodvale was a
conspiracy and I really put all my energy andmy clowning into that. When a friend told me
about karma, I was like, well, that makes alot more sense. But I never really like jumped
on it until recently. And now I'm like, tellme more. So, I mean, but I mean, come on the

(58:36):
orange. It's just yeah. Yeah, it's a color shehasn't really used. Right. And so that's a
indicator that she might be saving it for something.Because even with like folklore and TTPD both
being white, you know, it's a repeat. So, yeah,I guess we will see even if Taylor. never had
a missing album. She's fucking with us withall this orange. Again, she reads everything.

(59:00):
She knows everything. And I think there aresome, I mean, the red herrings, sometimes she's
going to put these things out because she knowswe're looking for them, but she's working on
someone else. So yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.Another thing to note too, just if our listeners
didn't catch it, but one of the surprise songsets for Paris, she did the, Is it over now?

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mash up with the bridge of Out of the Woods.And I've said this before on the pod, but when
she did that before, so this would be the secondtime she's done it, when she, or is it the
third? No, it's the second. It's the second.I think it's the second. Yeah, but so whenever
she did Nashville Night Two, my favorite night,obviously, she did Out of the Woods for us,

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and then she messed up the bridge, and thenshe was like, oh, I just, you know, let's sing
the bridge again. But I thought her mess upwas weird. Like I obviously have it on camera.
I thought it was weird. And Zoe sang the bridgetwice. And so then I was like, oh, once she
released, is it over now? And then in November,when she was in Argentina this past year, so

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November, 2023, I think it was November 11th,so 11, she sang that mashup. And I was like,
oh, maybe when she messed up in Nashville, whichwould have been in May of 2023, she was like
hinting that this might be something she's gonnado. but that was kind of maybe a loose theory.
Okay, but the fact that she just did that samemashup again, there's something there. Okay,

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so you got 11-11, 2023, and then I think itwas 5-10, 2024. I already looked it up, it's
181 days apart. And the date that is directlyin the middle, I think was like February 9th.
I have no other thoughts beyond that. So ifany of our listeners wanna take that and run
with it. By all means, I don't know what itmeans. There might be videos out there that

(01:00:48):
have already solved it, to be honest. I knowwhat it means. February 9th is my birthday.
I am Taylor Swift.
That was for you. And Anna always forgets mybirthday, so she wouldn't have known that.
Yes. No. I do think it's interesting becausethe mashups are recent. And so it's interesting

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that one of the mashups she's now done, she'sdone it twice instead of doing a new mashup
this recent. I don't know. It's interesting.Yeah. Well, and also pointing back to 1989,
I'm still, Jesse and I are still convinced thatthere are two. there are two 1989s and we're
still gonna get the double drop. Even thoughwe just got a double TTPD, so like any double
clues are probably for, nope, no. I will dieon that hill. It's funny because coming back

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to your birthday, when I saw February 9th, whenI looked that up, I was like, God, that date
sounds really familiar. And then I was like,was that the Grammys? Was that the Super Bowl?
And I'm like, no, it was probably because it'syour birthday that it sounded really familiar.
For real, it's just like anything to forget.It's mine. Me making myself a victim. So we

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just shared your birthday with the world, butobviously you're Gen Z, so they don't know
you're a year or whatever since you're hidingyour true age here. All right, great. Well,
um. I think that kind of wraps it. There's probablymore to Paris that we haven't covered and Jessie's
got tons of thoughts, I'm sure. I'm sure she'sdying in her bed right now, wishing she could

(01:02:21):
be giving you guys her thoughts. So when wemeet again next week, especially when it comes
to the new TTPD set and things that are justnot even a surprise anymore, it's just an ongoing
thing, we will discuss that. Taylor's gonnabe in Stockholm, Sweden. starting this weekend,
so this next episode we will also touch baseon any new surprises. I think I'll be glued

(01:02:42):
to the lives. Just, I mean, you never know.I just feel like she's, it's almost overdrive
for me. It's a little too much, like too muchinfo to take in at this point. Oh my gosh,
I know. And you never know. Like when there'ssomething new added to a tour or to a show
that's already so massive, it's like a littlebit interesting, especially this will be the

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first weekend after the TTPD set was added.It's like, is there something else up her sleeve?
I'm not asking for there to be something else.And the crowd was chanting more. But it just
feels like there's something in the air. There'ssomething weird in the air and it could be
nothing. The ball is still rolling, right? Itdoesn't feel like she's just going to switch
it up the first weekend and then we're justgoing to be back to the races like nothing's

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changing. I do agree. I think the next severalweekends will be interesting and then maybe
in the summer she'll calm down. Yes. But untilthen, we will continue to be eyes glued. And
Emmy, I appreciate you joining us and helpingjump in on this episode. And we will definitely
be inviting you back for any other, maybe I'llget sick one week and we can have you on with

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Jesse, but it's been great to have you assistand give your take as a content creator and
a fellow Swifty. So for those who do not followEmmy, go find her on TikTok. It's Emmy. The
Queen. And like she said, you know, succession,Game of Thrones, HBO shows, TV. I mean, really

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analyzing like acting and character arcs andtying things together in ways that we do on
our TikTok about Taylor, but for, you know,more diverse content. So, yeah. And if there's
anything that you want me to cover, just leavea comment. I like to talk about what people
are wanting to discuss. So any TV I'm game for.Love it. Love it. All right. So if you're listening

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