Ep 24 - Stockholm Shows & Lyrical Analysis of 'thanK you aIMee' & 'Cassandra'

This week, we catch up on the Eras Tour happenings from Taylor's stop in Stockholm, Sweden. Jessi and Anna then take turns deep diving lyrics of 2 songs from The Tortured Poets Department. Jessi starts with her take on 'thanK you aIMee' followed by Anna's discussion of the music industry and her thoughts on how 'Cassandra' relates to a lot of the news we've seen over the years about corruption in the industry.

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Episode Transcript

(00:07):
Hey, lovers.
Welcome to TSPN.
Yes, Jessi is back.
We recognize that 'Hey, lovers'.
She says it so much more naturally.
So. Yeah,if you missed the last week's episode,
one of my dear friends and fellow contentcreators, Emmy,
stepped in and co-hosted with mebecause Jessi had Strep.

(00:29):
Really bad Strep.
So, how are you feeling now?
You sound better.
Oh, I'm much better.
Really, really bad Strep.
Like I didn't realize strep had adultsthe way that it did
because like the night before, I likegot all the symptoms.
I told Eric I was in bed, and I'm like,every muscle and bone in my body
feels like it's on fireand I don't know why.

(00:49):
And then I woke up with the like,the worst sore throat thing I've
ever had in my life. High fever.
My bones hurt like it was.
I don't know, I think when you get older
it gets the illnesses get worse.
If that makes.
Yeah, like if you come under, your body'slike, it doesn't have the same stamina.
No. Like,if my kids get strep, they're good.

(01:11):
And like for, you know, 4 or 5 daysit took me a good like 6
or 7 dayswith antibiotics to get rid of that.
Yeah.
Well, and you were pretty early onwhenever we filmed, it was like maybe day
2 or 3.
So yeah, she sounded awful and couldn'tabsolutely, absolutely
was not going to be able to hop on.
So thank you, Emmy. Thank you Emmy.

(01:32):
So to catch viewers up last weekwe covered the Paris shows.
So Emmy and I obviously got kindof the first opportunity to react to
what happened as far as the changesin the tour, Taylor added
a set, she changed all the outfits,she rearranged the set
so we covered a lot of those detailsin the last episode.
But I did want to just before

(01:53):
we start talking about Stockholm,which happened this past weekend.
Get your take Jessi oneverything that happened really
well, I
remember I was watching itthe first Paris show.
I was watching it on a live,so I wanted to see what happened with TTPD
and I was kind of likenot watching the whole thing.

(02:14):
So I was like checking in and outand I like, I knew something was happening
after 1989 because, like, it just
something startlike it was just an electricity in the air
that you could feelbefore it even started up.
Then it just started.
I'm like, oh my God, she killed that set.
Like kills itwhen she comes out of the gates with.

(02:38):
But daddy I love him right.
Amazing.
But then this bitch levitates likelooks like she's levitating
for one of my favorite songs on TTPDwho's afraid a little me.
Oh I lost it.
Like I was like she's a genius.
Like I'd never even reallybecause you hear songs so many times,

(02:59):
but you don't really like.
Sometimes you'll hear a linefor the first time, like in your soul
when she says, I leapt from the gallowsand I levitate down your street.
That was the first time I really heard it.
When it looked likeshe was like a ghost, like levitating.
I was, like, blownaway by the entire set. Like
blown away.
It was insane.

(03:22):
And the theatrics of it all, there'sa lot more props and stuff like that.
I feel like she did a lot more, like on stage production than usual.
Yes. It was very,
how do I put this, like, musical,
rock opera, slash, rock opera rap.
Roperah
So slash like Broadway, whereas which is,

(03:46):
you know, a theoryI been going at for a while,
but the costume change with, like,cam on stage was brilliant.
Where they
You know, it's back in the 20s.
A very Clara Bow,the facial expressions and, and then,
you know, right before that,
the smallest man who ever lived,when she puts on that jacket and marches
and salutes like that's a moment like,I feel like I just.

(04:09):
I need to see that life.
Like it's all I know. New concert
I know.
Well, maybe one day, maybe,maybe we'll strike
luck. I was just telling Jessi that,
I'm a Gemini, and apparently Jupiter'smoving into Gemini.
And from what I understand of astrology,which is what people on
TikTok tell me, I'm about to experiencea lot of freakin luck.

(04:30):
So, yeah, maybe we'll get tickets.
Maybe.
Maybe it's like winning.
It's like winning the lotterynowadays. So.
Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's crazy.
I feel like it's funny, you know, peoplewho aren't, like, huge Swifties.
I have a coworkerwho reached out about tickets.
I was like, no, I might
if I had tickets, I would be goingor even selling them before.

(04:54):
I would be like giving them away.
Like it's either me or the money.
Exactly like I know Iand I saw the eras tour right
when it first started back in Chicago,and this shake up in Paris
is such a shake upof the whole structure of the tour, too.
I mean, you have the folklorelike evermore folk more combo.

(05:14):
Yeah. What were your thoughts on the.
She combined them.
I thought that was brilliant.
I mean, that's a good way to cut it downand not,
you know, because they are sister albums,so why not?
That was an easy place to cut.
Yeah.
When I said this last week with Emmythat, you know, when we had been planning
for Swiftie 101 and we,you know, chunked out the different eras

(05:35):
because we're doing like seems behindand it's not just the album, but like,
what were the outfits like that she wore,what was like the clues leading into it
and what were the clues of that, or whatwere some of the interviews that she did?
Like all of these things, and it's hardto really separate those into eras
because of how close and proximitythe albums were dropped,
and that the estheticsare really the same.

(05:56):
So I could see, like if you really definean era by like Taylor's
aura and like things that are bigger than
the music, they kind of are the same era.
Yeah, yeah.
So the colors and outfit changesare really like a fresh shakeup.
But I also think itprobably means something
to, you know, the orange.

(06:17):
There's something going on there,there is something going on there.
And I think that her taking out the lastgreat American dynasty which something
I thought I think she's going to have onBroadway, the story of Rebekah Harkness.
it would
just play out so beautifully on Broadwaybecause she was her
whole thing for Rebekah's whole thingwas composing music and dancing ballet.

(06:40):
And she never got the accoladesthat she deserved as a woman.
And people kind of made fun of her for it.
So if you really look into the storyof Rebekah like I have and, so for her
to put on a Broadway musical, that's allit that's the last great American dynasty,
which she kind of had in the show withthe train and the dancers and all that.

(07:01):
And now she's taking that piece out.
It just furtherkind of fuels that theory of mine.
Yeah.
What are your thoughtson the choice of songs for TTPD?
Yeah, for TTPD
but I
thought everyone that I thoughtshe might have in there made it.
except for thethe weird thing is, I didn't think so.
I didn't pick so high school and I didn't.

(07:23):
I didn't pick Fortniteeven though it's a single.
I didn't think she was going to do it.
Yeah, we had said that.
I think I said on the podcastsomething about like Fortnite
not really being stadium worthy,but it is the single, you know,
it's a good time to.
Yeah.
The way they havethe production of the bed
and like all that on stage,it's just beautiful.
Like she did a brilliant job with that.

(07:46):
That's that.
Yeah.
All right, well,should we take it away to Ty now
and he can give us the recap onwhat happened in Stockholm last weekend.
Let's do it.
I'm so excited to say, this past
weekend, Taylor Swift and the Erastour made their Swedish debut.
And here's what you missed.
If you missed those shows,
the first thing that we have to talk aboutis throughout the three days

(08:09):
that Taylor was there,she and the Swifties who attended broke
the all time attendance record for FriendsArena three times.
If you're wonderingexactly how many people, that means,
there was over180,000 attendees at the three concerts.
Amongst those attendees was Max Martin,who we've seen featured on multiple
different Taylor Swiftalbums like Red 1989 and reputation,

(08:33):
but he wasn't featured on 1989 TV,so a lot of Swifties were wondering
how Taylor Swiftand him were getting along.
It seems like now, though,they're getting along just fine because in
the surprise song section that night,Taylor played the Max Martin medley
honoring him and all the work he's donethroughout her career.
But Max wasn't the only part of Taylor'scareer that we saw
honored this weekend,as she also had her 89th Eras Tour show,

(08:57):
and she did not let that go bywithout honoring 1989, doing
so by showcasing some of those outfitsthat she debuted at the 1989 announcement,
but also by giving us some brand new 1989outfits
and honoring 1989,just like she did Max Martin
in the surprisesong section with its very own medley.

(09:18):
Now, if you're wondering
exactly what surprise songs we got, here'swhat they were on night one.
We heard I Think He Knows and Gorgeousas a mashup on the guitar,
followed by the debut of Peteron the piano for night two.
We got guilty as Sin, followed by a mashupof say Don't Go,
Welcome to New York and Cleanto honor 1989 for that 89th show.

(09:40):
Then finally on night three,we got to hear the Max Martin medley
on the guitar with message in a bottle,How You Get the Girl
and New Romantics, followed byHow Did It End for the very first time?
Live on the piano.
That said, just because the songs are overdoes not mean the surprises are as
Taylor has more showscoming up today in Lisbon.

(10:01):
So make sure you're back here next weekand we'll keep you posted
on everythinggoing on with the Eras Tour in 2024.
All right.
Thank you Ty for the lovely recapas always.
@13TyWilson is where you can find Tywith more thorough recaps on his TikTok.
He usually does like a video per night.
and then he goes the nice little wrap upfor us at, the end of the week.

(10:24):
So let's talk about Stockholm.
So, Jessi, initial takeaways and initial thoughts.
She is bringing back more of the mashups during the surprise set
and lots of 1989, which is interesting.
and then we had the Max Martin medley.
Max Martin was there night three,we believe, right?

(10:46):
Yeah.
I didn't find anything that actuallyconfirm that, but I saw several TikToks
and like people in the stadium sayinglike Max Martin in the house, but like,
I did notphysically see a TikTok with him.
but it would make sense. He'sSwedish. Correct?
He would. Yeah.
Yeah, that would be the showthat he would go to.
Yeah, that was pretty cool of her.
But I also oh, I wonder if there wasan egg dropped in that somewhere or two.

(11:08):
I do want to recap for our listeners.
Max Martin is a producer.
He's produced like some of the biggest popmusic that you are aware of, right.
NSYNC, BackstreetBoys, Britney Spears, Bruno Mars.
So Taylor first worked with Max Martinin the Red era.
It was herfirst kind of introduction into pop.
So a lot of the songs that are very pop,like on Red were produced by Max Martin,

(11:30):
and at the time, Taylor wasn'tthe biggest pop star in the world.
Right.
So it was a huge honor to her for himto work with her.
Right?
That was something that she wanted to do,
and for them to collaboratewas a really big deal for both.
but specifically,it was probably a bigger honor
for her than it was for him, you know?
So I think that's where it's so,like full circle
now that she is like the biggest pop starright now in the world.

(11:52):
And, and so she worked with him in 1989
as well, I don't think he was part ofthe rerecord, the 1989 Taylor's version.
And a lot of people kind of said
maybe that's not his thing to, like,go back into the studio and repeat work,
which is totally finemusical genius of his own kind of caliber.
So I'm not really sureif that's just something that he just
wasn't really interested in pursuing,which is why Jack would have,

(12:13):
you know, reproduced stuff like style,you know,
and then I don't believe they worktogether, since I'm not too sure,
though I haven't confirmed that.
But for the most part, since 1989,Jack has been her main producer.
And then obviouslyAaron Dessner came into the picture.
There's been other like,little producers, like,
I think she's a different producerfor clean on 1989.
There might be some mix in them, but, MaxMartin did work with her in Red and 1889.

(12:36):
Original. Well, yeah.
And with TTPD she is starting to work withBryce Dessner, air and Twin now as well.
He's produced a few songs
so I think that's really cooland interesting because, I mean,
what we got, Bryce is a genius as well,so it's
what's to come with that?
Yeah, yeah. Love it.

(12:58):
and then yeah, she did call that one
like medley of all three of the songswere produced by Max Martin.
So that was, like you said,maybe it's an Easter egg.
Maybe she's going to work with him again.
Who knows what she wasthere, what, four days?
Four dates? Three dates?
she had three dates in Sweden.
Okay.
So she was there for three dates.

(13:19):
I wonder if she worked with him at allwhile she was there in the studio,
because Travis wasn't there,so she didn't have.
I mean, anything else going on?
I mean, I'm sure she did.
But, like, you know what Iyou know, I'm not tracking her jet,
but I'm assuming that doesn't meanshe showed up day three.
She could have been thereseveral days before. Who knows.
Right.
Well, they had hadn't like herand Travis had been in Italy.

(13:42):
Right?
Right before Stockholm, in Lake Como. Yes.
There were photos that came outand engagement rumors and all of that.
Yeah, yeah.
And that's just.
Yeah, not my thing. But like the,
I do know he had Kelce Jam, which
something I did want to ask you aboutbecause that's it.
Like a Kansas City thing.

(14:03):
Yeah.
I had never heard of it until this year.
I don't know if I don't knowif you guys take me for a Kelce Jammer
prior to him being, Taylor's boyfriend.
I don't think, I really
I mean, he was obviously on my radarbecause my husband is a big fan.
But yeah, I was interestedwhen videos started
surfacing online of the last Kelce Jam.

(14:24):
You know what I mean of him on stage,like, you know, singing and acting a fool,
but, like, well done.
You know, you're like, it's obviously nothim and his backyard with friends.
It's like a real production.
Jojo went this year though,so Jojo in KC on TikTok.
She's one of our like,mutual friends as well.
And, I think she was there because herphone died, so she,
she posted a video kind of recapping it,but then it died halfway through.

(14:46):
But she had video of like two Chainz andoh my gosh, I don't know.
That'sjust not my like, I don't really jam.
Well, I didn't know if it was like
this beloved Kansas City thingthat they just because I asked.
I had this conversation with my husbandEric last night and I said,
did you see anything about thisKelce jam?
I'm like, is it B?
Did he do it because he's more famous now?

(15:08):
More people know who he is
because I would never know what a KelceJam was last year.
And he's like, so he looks it up on it.
But he's like, no,he did it in 2023 like before Taylor.
Like so this is the you knowhe's had a lot of stardom though.
You got to think about like withif you watched the Kelce documentary
which is actually centralized aroundJason Kelce. Right.

(15:29):
and that's on Amazon Prime, I believe.
Yeah, it's on Amazon Prime.
If anybody listen to it.
Yeah, it's a greatyeah, it's a great documentary.
Even if you're not likea big fan of football.
It's like just a really goodlike the documentary
about people who are in the industry and,and the football industry
and just the things that they have to dealwith as a couple, as parents and

(15:50):
really great stuff.
But, you know,Travis and Jason started the podcast.
They both got to the super Bowl that year.
It was an iconic year for them.
If you're doing a documentary,it's like actually really great.
But I think about all thatin the fact that you went on
SNL and like, there's just been a lotwith Travis's stardom before.
Taylor that was already rolling in,you know what I mean?

(16:11):
So I wasn't surprisedthat he had done it in the past.
I bet a lot of people do think thathe is doing it just because of Taylor.
Don't realize that there was one before.
I guess that's what I thought.
And that's wrong on my partbecause I am not like I did not know
about, like the Kelce phenomenon.
And I watched Saturday Night Live
and I don't even remember that episodeI watched.

(16:31):
I've watched again since.
But like Kelce, Travis Kelce was noton my radar before Taylor Swift at all.
But I'm not from Kansas City and stufflike like you where you guys are.
So yeah, I'm fromI'm not from Kansas City.
I'm from Saint Louisarea for our listeners.
So it's like, you know,
sister cities like, you know,definitely a place that I visit a lot.

(16:52):
I went to schoolin the middle of the state.
So like a lot of my friendslive in Kansas City
because you after college,you go back to where you came from.
and so I would say, Travis Kelceis definitely like a beloved person.
A lot of, you know, a lot of footballplayers in their hometowns are,
so I'm not surprised to hear thatthat existed before.
I'm guessing it was way bigger this yearas far as not only who

(17:14):
who they got to play,but also like just the attendees.
Yeah,
some of thequestions they were asking him to like,
they're like, what do you thinkTaylor will headline it next year?
And he's like, no,like they would need a way bigger plays.
Like if there's going to be.
I feel like
if there's going to be a Taylor Fest,there's gonna be a Taylor Fest.

(17:36):
Like it's they're not going to put TravisKelce's name on it.
That would be fucking wild if like they,
they because you're right,it would be totally about Taylor.
and then he was askedwhat his favorite Taylor Swift songs are
and he said, Blank Space, the alchemyand so High School, which I texted you,
I was like, see,the alchemy is about Travis,

(17:56):
which you were like,did do anybody does anyone think it's not?
And I'm like, yeah, let me show you
the comment section of a videoI posted where every not everyone.
I didn't know anyone.
I didn't know anyone debated that.
I thought everyone just figured thethe alchemy was about Travis.
I just thought, I don't know.
Yeah, I, I think some people don'tunderstand the heroin without an
e line is saying heroinlike a female hero.

(18:17):
So they heard heroin. Like,that's about Matty.
It's like.
No, kind of.
It's like a joke. Not like, yeah,
it's a heroin, but not the drug.
Like, it's a.
Yeah, almost like a hero.
I love thathe answered the questions, though,
when they asked him, what are yourfavorite healers with songs right now?

(18:38):
Like because her boyfriends and previouslike Joe would have,
like, sidetracked sidebar of that question so fast.
I mean, like, just answer, dude.
Like, well,not just Joe and even her boyfriends.
Calvin Harris,
like anyone who's just publicly
been associated with,has always kind of been weird about it.
And yeah, blank space to you, fullfucking like respect for him

(19:02):
thinking that's his favorite songbecause she is literally admitting
to being a crazy girl like,
and she wrote it as a kind of a parodyto like what the media made her out to be.
So it's not like,fully like self-reflective.
But I mean, let's be real,we all kind of relate to blank space
because like, you are kind ofwho the person wants you to be for a month
and then wait, wait, I'm going to havea hormonal breakdown and make everything

(19:26):
a dramatic mess, because I don't feel likeyou actually like me.
And I'm going to start a fight and we'regoing to see if you actually like me.
You know, those types of behaviors.
I think especially in the dating field,are, not necessarily uncommon.
And so the fact that he likes that song
shows that he accepts the crazy, well,we all.

(19:46):
Yeah.
Yeah, I love that about him.
And he's always made
that known even early on thatthat was always his favorite song.
And like, if you see him at her concerts,he's like with,
he does like the golf swing with herand like, it's just funny.
He, he loves that song.
But confirming so high schooland the alchemy was I mean,

(20:06):
he confirmed it like he'snot he's not like treading lightly.
No, no, he's definitely not.
Yeah.
The video I saw, I edited itwhere after he said it, it like zoomed in
and like made himlike a little sparkle on his eye.
Like we think, yeah. Yeah.
Well, great.
Anything else with Stockholmor do we want to get into our, analysis

(20:28):
of a couple songs for people?
Yes. Let's get into it.
Okay, so for today, Jessiand I have a really special treat for you.
Jessi did a Clara Bow analysisa couple weeks back,
and so we're not going to necessarilyhave to do this every week,
but we do want to, in this year, workthrough some of our takes on the TTPD song

(20:49):
Right.
And so Jessi really kind ofwanted to talk about thanK you aIMee
And so I was like, okay,if she's gonna talk about
thanK you aIMee,I think Cassandra is a good one
for me to talk aboutbecause I love Cassandra.
I think it's bigger than you know.
It's not just about like, Kim and stuff
I do think it's about the music industryand whatnot.
So these songs kind of feel related,even though they're not.
So those are the ones we chose for today.

(21:12):
so we'll start with you, Jessi, withthanK you aIMee
Yeah, it's really cool because neither ofus knows what we're going to say.
So it's like hearing our takes on itfor the first time.
And I,
I really wanted her to do Cassandra,because that's one of the songs
I really just don't understandon the album.
So I'm really excited to hear about that.Yeah.
When you told me that, I was like, what?
You're sleeping on this, but I know it's31 songs, so like, totally makes sense.

(21:36):
I know, I know, I listened to it
today againand I'm getting a little bit of better,
but I'm interestedto hear your take on it.
But thanK you aIMee
All right.
Off the bat,it's got three capitalized letters.
K-I-M okay.
So in Taylor'sdebut album, in the lyric book,
she would capitalize lettersto spell out a message

(21:59):
or a clue because she really wanted peopleto read her lyrics.
And she continued to do thisthrough fearless and through
Speak Now in the lyrics.
And then obviously,like since then, we've all been in her
asylum and she's,you know, gone crazy with the Easter eggs.
But, this has it.
It's got a callback to that first album.

(22:20):
So the KIM obviously,
I think refers to Kim Kardashian.
Yeah.
and I, I hear a lot of people like, I,I'm sure there's, there's talk everywhere
and chatter of people saying, well,you know, she's Kim's over it.
So Taylor should be overit. It's been years.

(22:40):
It's been years.
We here's the thing.
It doesn't matter if it's been years.
Like if some that ruined her career
like she had a build back up.
Yeah.
Well, and this is a good plugfor 2 queens, 2 crowns because K.J.
and, Adrienne do episodeswhere they compare two queens.
Right.
And their whole thesis is around, like,both queens can have crowns

(23:03):
and, like, how did they help each other?
And even K.J.
said she struggled with the,
with the Kim, you know, the ideaof calling Kim a Queen and whatever.
But in the follow up episode,she had me on
and we talked a lot about the Swiftieand the Kim of it all.
So definitely,if you haven't listened to those
two episodes yet,
I'm only on the second one,but the first one you want to listen to
because her and Adriennego deep into the phone call.

(23:25):
They even play parts of the phone calland in really foundational stuff.
So if you're a newer swiftiedefinitely hit that one.
And then when we did talk about itin the follow up, I had brought up
because K.J.
gave a story about like somebodywho's like, really wronged her.
She's like the only person I couldreally think was like a friend who,
you know, tried to get with my man,like, back in the day.
And she's like.

(23:45):
But, like, now I'm over it, so, like, I.
But I could see where, like, maybeyou're not over something from years ago.
And I was like, but here's the thing.
She wrote all of her or she rerecordedall of her music recently.
So like, imagine
when your friend double crossedyou and like, tried to get with your man.
If you had like a diary or somethingand then you were forced to go through
or you're forced to go throughall the old text messages and all the

(24:06):
all the things you wroteit and go back to your Facebook and like,
see the post and see the photosthat were clues to the fact
that she was trying to get with your man.
You would get mad again, right?
And so that's where I dothink the rerecordings could be playing
a little bit into like the asylum of TTPD.
Is that like she's like nowin a very mature, grown up state,

(24:27):
not just looking back, but relivinga lot of the things that she went through.
Well, and we
hadn't heard about it for a long time.
I to my knowledge,
I don't think Kim has ever done a personalor a public apology for a long time.
Public. She's not done public.

(24:48):
I don't think she's done personally,either.
I don't think so either. because.
And this is where Cassandra will come in.
So I don't want to get too far into it,but Cassandra talks about how, I'm sorry.
Cassandra says when it's burn the bitch,they're shrieking.
When the truth comes out, it's quiet.
So that I'll talk a little bit about howthat could relate to the phone call

(25:09):
scenario, where it's like,the truth did come out in 2020.
And actually there's several tweetsand retweets that Kim made
when it came out, basically being like,I don't know why she still cares,
which is like, not only is thatnot an apology, that's actually worse.
Like, like now that you're being shownis the wrong being, like, oh,

(25:30):
why does it matter? It'svery bullish behavior.
Like like mean girl high school
type thing of being like, well,now that I'm being called out,
my ass is being shown, I'm
going to belittle your voiceand make it seem like you're crazy.
So again,we'll get a little bit more into that.
And of course, the 2 Queens 2 Crownspodcast episodes have that.
we got really into,into the depths of that.

(25:50):
But, when it comes to Kim andthe apology, definitely nothing public.
And for those of you who don't know,
just a real quickwhat happened with Kim and Taylor.
If you don't,if you're listening right now
and you just you're like,what the hell are you guys talking about?
Yeah, yeah.
So after 1989,there's always been this thing, right?

(26:11):
With Kim, with Kanye and Taylor,ever since he interrupted her on stage,
and they've tried to mend itpublicly, privately.
And then they'll go.
He'll go back and do something againthat just, you know.
So what he did was he calledTaylor and recorded.
Kim recorded the call, andhe had asked her about a lyric in a song.

(26:32):
I don't know if you're goingto talk about this at all in yours.
I'm not. No. Okay. Go ahead. You're good.
So he well to what Kanye didbasically was
he said, so is it okay if I say thisand he gives her the lyric,
but it's not the lyriche ends up using, and Kim edits it
to say to look as if Taylor gave consentto using the lyric.

(26:54):
And then after it came out, she's like,this isn't what?
And then Kim uploads the edited phonecall.
Yeah.
So to clarify with the timeline too.
So the line is it's in the song famous.
It was in 2016 that was released.
It is,me and Taylor Swift might have sex. Why?
Because I made that bitch famous. Okay.

(27:17):
And so that was the lyric.
And then Tree Paine came out and was like.
Or like I think Kanye said, like,you know, Taylor approved it.
Tree Paine in a publication.
And, you know, PR came out and said,that's not why he called.
That wasn't the purpose of the phone call.
The purpose was for Taylor to promote it,which, when you listen to the full call,
definitely is true.
Taylor, went on the Grammy stage, wonthe Grammy, and basically was like, don't

(27:41):
let other people take credit for your famebecause the song is called famous.
And he's saying,because I made that bitch famous.
So she kind of clapped backpublicly and ominously, right.
Because some people are like, well,what is she talking about?
and then the music video came outwhich depicted her naked in a bed.
It was like a wax thingand like Donald Trump and, like, there's
plenty of other figures that were depictednaked in the music video.

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and then, I think a month or so later,
that's when Kim released a phone calland she released it on Snapchat.
So just a couple snaps of it.
But it was clearthat the sections that she chose were
only the ones that madeit look like the purpose of the phone
call was for the lyric, and that Taylorapproved it when the full phone
call came out in 2020,almost four years later,

(28:25):
it's very clear that, like, sure,he did ask.
He didn't tell her the whole lyricby any means.
He did ask a little bit,but he was weird about it.
And also she was clearly uncomfortable,like very uncomfortable
with the entire phone call,which to me is just even worse.
And that's where I think, you know,
she even said like after that,she didn't want to pick up the phone.

(28:47):
She was like, afraid to,you know, be on phone calls and stuff.
And I think that that's where it's like,she just kind of got double crossed there.
Oh, definitely her paranoia.
I would be paranoid too, if.
Because right after that happenedthat Kim released
the snippets was the hashtagTaylor Swift as over party on Twitter,

(29:07):
and that canceled herfor a couple of years.
I mean, she went into hidingfor a whole year
when Kim tweeted, it's National Snake Day.
I think people were calling hima rat like she.
The rat emoji was going after Kim.
So rats or snakes eat rats?
I think, is the whole conceptbehind that.
So then she tweeted the National Snake Daywith like a ton of snake emojis.

(29:28):
And that's, I mean, really,what birthed the snake imagery?
Cassandra? Cassandra talks about snakes.
So we'll get into that.
But the reputation having so much snake
imagery is very,very much led by the Kim and Kanye drama.
It definitely. Oh my gosh. Yeah.
So that's whatthat's what we're kind of referring to
when you maybe hear ustalk about the phone call in these,

(29:50):
that'swhat we're referring to as the phone call.
so thank you.
aimee starts out when I picture my hometown.
So like the I picturekeep that in in your mind
because I thought that was a very likeinteresting lyric to for her
to say is picture instead of
when I think of my hometown or whenI go back to my hometown, you know,

(30:11):
I think the hometown that she'sthinking of is,
Hendersonvilleand the Hendersonville High School.
I don't think she's thinking of Wyomissingand Redding, Pennsylvania,
when she's referring to hometown.
I think she's referring towhen she moved to Nashville,
which she also calls her hometown. Yep.

(30:32):
So the bronzed spray tan statue of,you know, my
my thing with this song isI do think that it at, parts about Kim,
but I think at its core,I think it's about someone in high school
that bullied her, and she's relating itto kind of what happened with Kim

(30:53):
when shesays, bronze spray tan statue of you.
I mean, that's a perfectlike that's telling you, Kim.
Kim I mean, there was lala would never be her hometown, right.
Like Los Angeles.
Yeah.
So like because if you thought about itlike, oh, she's talking about LA.
Like Kim Kardashian's all over,
I don't think there's literally a bronzespray tan statue.
But yeah,

(31:15):
you know, but where the wherethe spray tan statue was, came in.
Is that Kimcame under a lot of fire for over
bronzing herself with like, self-tanner.
That was some of those years and like,had it come out and news articles
and I think that's like a justa quick little lyric to let you know that.

(31:35):
Yeah, that's I'm talking about Kimin this, in some of this at least.
so she kind of
goes, goes on to say like threatensto push me down the stairs at our school.
So I'm thinking high schoolbecause she did not have a great time
at Hendersonville Highlike she was bullied.
She did not have many friends.
I think she had like 2 or 3 good friends.

(31:58):
And that was about it.
She was just starting her careerwith debut, and
it was justI think a lot of people were jealous.
So that probablycompetitive environment to,
even if they didn't like to like wannabecelebrity or whatever, they, you know,
especially because think aboutwhen you were 16, if anyone in your high

(32:19):
school had a record contract with a brandnew record label in a music town,
like people were going to judge,yeah, definitely.
So when she says, at that timeyou were throwing punches
and I was building something, so throwingpunches I don't think was a physical.
It's just, you know, this person in highschool was trying
to, you know, just probably talkingshit things girls do in high school.

(32:43):
That happens to all of us.
High school, middle schooland high school is not a favorable time
for teenage girls.
It's just not like
I feel like everybody has a horror storyfrom middle school and high school.
At least one.
Even girlsthat we consider really popular.
So when she says, and I can't forgive
the way you made me feel screamedfuck you, Aimee to the night sky.

(33:06):
I fucking love this song, by the wayto it's a good car screaming song
as the blood was gushing.
But I can't forget the wayyou made me heal.
So this is kind of like the MichaelJordan effect.
Michael Jordan is obviously the Goat.
He's the best it you know his game.
And if you watch his documentary,he talks about how

(33:27):
the only thing that ever made himbetter was when people doubted him
or when people through the punchesand he would.
Yeah. So I think she's the same way.
She's the same type of geniusthat it's it does help her get better.
That did that did give her,you know, that extra push.

(33:48):
But yeah. So
and it wasn't a fair fightor a clean kill.
Each time that Aimee stompedacross my grave, when she pulls up
the word grave, I just think of reputationand coming out of the grave.
So here's a good,I think, a good example of where
Taylor does a songabout two different people

(34:09):
or two different entities,and combines it into one song.
So it's it's complicated.
It's not like just about Kim.
It's not just about one thingor one time in her life or one incident.
And then she wrote headlines
in the local paperlaughing at each baby step I take.
I feel like that goes back to the Aimeein high school.

(34:30):
Oh see Kim writes headlines.
So she reads headlines.
Oh yeah. Yeah, oh yeah.
They plant stories all the fucking time.
They, on the media all the time.
Yeah, yeah.
But I'm also wondering what caught my ear.
And that's true.
But like, I'malso wondering the local paper.
I wonder if this girl works for the paperin Tennessee,

(34:51):
the Tennessean,or if she was working on the school paper.
That's what I was thinking.
Oh, yeah, because it's Nashville.
I'm thinking like,where I grew up, there's no local paper.
I mean, I mean, there is, but, you know,nobody would be writing
about high school or in it, but yeah,maybe since she got that record deal.
Oh, we need to, like,do we need to dig into the archives?
Yeah.
Like local Henderson, newspapers.

(35:14):
That's an interesting call out.
Well, I when I think local again,LA is not her hometown, but like.
Is TMZ a local paper?I guess not literally.
I think she means local to Hendersonville,and I think she could even mean
the high school newspaperif there's a high school newspaper.
I was on the high schoolnewspaper in high school.
So if you have a big enough high school,you'll have a high school newspaper.

(35:35):
And I think there is somethingto look into because that definitely
like caught my attentionthat this is not about one person.
I find the passage really interestingwhere she says,
I wrote a thousand songsthat you find uncool.
I built a legacy that you can't undo,but when I count the scars, there's

(35:57):
a moment of truth that there wouldn'tbe all this if there hadn't been you.
And that's kind of to these haters,you know?
Like, it makes me better.
Like thatkind of competition makes me better.
And maybe you've reframed it.
So this goes back to the picturethat I said keep in your mind from line.

(36:19):
Like the first line in the song.
Ooh yeah I like that
taking it down in hereand maybe reframed it.
And in your mind you never beat my spirit.
Black and blue.
There's a reason she use those colors too.
And I looked upHendersonville High's colors.
And that's not the colors,but it's like gold and black, I think.
But black and blue has been a big it'sbeen a big theme leading into TTPD.

(36:42):
Remember how people thoughtlike of the double people?
Remember those crazy peoplewho thought there's a double 1989 album?
And there one would be Blackand one would be Blue?
Us. me? us?
Yeah, and I still think it exists. Maybe.
I know I'm still crazy. We should count.
We should count how many episodes because
Emmy and
I brought it up last week.how many episodes have I mentioned?

(37:03):
Or you mentioned the double 1989 girl.
It's the asylum where she raisedus, and I'm blaming it on her now.
we love you, Taylor.
I don't think you've changed much.
And so I changed your nameand any real defining clues.
This is a really interesting line,because she did not change

(37:27):
any defining clues in this song about Kim.
They're very obvious.
Well, to me, that'swhere it's like the red herring of it all.
And a lot of people have been saying
social, like, maybe it's about Karlie or somebody else.
And I'm like, well, okay.
But like, I'm my thought is if it's notabout Kim, then she's saying I changed.
I need defineor like I removed any defining clues.

(37:48):
So she's almost saying gotcha.
I know it says Kim in the title,but maybe it's not about Kim.
So yeah, I could seeit's kind of confusing, see,
because I don't think she would do thatthough I if her and Kim really like
mended fences in a way,or like she didn't want to pull Kim in
at anything anymore,she wouldn't have capitalized a Kim
like there's no I don't yeah, Idon't think her and Kim are on good terms.

(38:11):
I'm just saying,I don't know that the song is about Kim,
and maybe she's just using Kimas an easy out.
And again, you're right, there are lyricsthat are definitely about her.
But, the fact that if she didn't say
I changed any defining clues, I'd be like,yeah, this is clearly Kim Kardashian.
But she's placing doubt by saying thatbecause she did give us defining clues.

(38:32):
So she maybe is telling usit's more than you think.
Yeah.
So then the next line,and one day your head comes home
singing a song that only us two is
going to know is about you. So
if you guys
remember, when was it like a yearor two ago when North West,

(38:55):
who's Kim's daughter, was singingShake It Off, on her TikTok.
So I think here'swhat I think is going on.
That's what happened.
Like her kid came home singing a song.
But Shake It Off
isn't about Kim because the Kim Kimdrama happened after 1989, right?
I think ShakeIt Off was written possibly about this.

(39:19):
Amy from high schooland has some clues in there.
Okay. You think? Shake it off.
Wait. Hold on, shake it off.
Not about the high school girl.
Oh, maybe it is. You're right. Yeah.
I don't know if it's fully about her,but I think that it's.
I think that it's got some.
I think that that is how she tied thisall together.

(39:39):
Like, I think thatbecause there a song out there.
Can I interrupt?
Yeah.
What if the song that is about herthat nobody's going to know
is in that vault for debut?
If you're thinkingthis is someone from high school
because like we just talked aboutwhen I was mentioning when I was on KJ's
episode, about whatit would feel like to go back in
and reliveall these different moments of her life

(40:02):
and maybe if this is about somebodyfrom high school,
it's coming out of her relivingand the debut album.
I wonder what the Vaultis going to look like,
but there may be some nasty songsabout girls in high school.
There definitely could be. And there was.
Was this edit aired,
or was there an actual picture of,like, Taylor standing against a wall
and like the spelling of Aimeebeing behind her in this correct spelling?

(40:27):
There is a picturefloating around of that, and it's
I don't knowif it's from like the fearless era
or debut era or speaknow it's around one of those.
She's leaning against the wall.
It looks kind of like graffiti,and there's like names of people,
and Aimee is on thereand it's spelled how she spells it here.
I never saw anything like that.
Yeah, I don't know.I'll look into that some more.

(40:47):
Well, before I move on, beforewe move on to the next course, the chorus.
one thing that you talked about was, and maybe you reframed it in your mind.
You never beat my spirit, black and blue.
To me, that's likeif it was about somebody from high school.
If we're going with
that kind of narrative, thenthat person may have done an interview

(41:07):
or gone on social media and been like,oh my gosh, I went to high school
with Taylor Swift and like talkedpositively about the experience.
And maybe she's like,this is the bitch who bullied me.
What right.
Yeah, I think it could be I think thatI think if you did enough digging,
you probably figure out whothis girl would be.
But like she said, I think that she didchange any real defining clues.

(41:28):
Maybe for her, except for maybe the people in high school
and her who are going to know that it was her.
There's something to
the fact that this just isn't about Kim,you know.
Okay.
So all the time you were throwing punchesit was all for nothing.
And our town,it looks so small from way up here.

(41:50):
So she's sayinglike she's in the fucking galaxy now.
Like she's a huge starand she's looking down
and that little townis pretty small from up there.
And like, I don't know, it'sthe slap in the face like, yeah
I don't know kind of to call back to like,thank you, not thank you John. Dear John
It's like,you know like one day I'll be shining

(42:10):
like fireworks over your hometownor small town.
Yeah. She says that in Dear John. Over yours.
Yeah. What is the lyric.
What would an episodebe complete without us singing this out?
Shining.Deaaar
John shining like fireworks over.
your sad little town.
Sad little town.

(42:31):
I took your matches beforefire could catch me.
So don't look now I'm
shining like fireworks over your sad,empty town.
Yeah. That's okay.
Yeah. It's not little, it's empty.
But yeah. Same thing. Yeah. Okay, okay.
That's good. Okay. Good to know.
So yeah, it's kind of like a callI don't know.

(42:51):
I just think that there'sdefinitely a callback
to someone other than Kim in this.
And she's going to knowonce either the song is out
and she knows or the song is coming out,and then she's going to know
it's about her and we won't.
Because, you know, I don't think, well,
I just like I just kind of like the hopesthat like, debut's vault tracks
are going to be messy and immaturein the most petty way.

(43:14):
Like, please, Taylor, get this one.
I would love to burn,you know, like picture to burn.
And even better than revengebefore she took the last line out.
Do you, belie-? Okay, so did we even talk?
We didn'teven talk about the mattress line
and that we need to address that.
Do you think that was a good thingto change?
I don't really care, to be honest.
Like, it's one of those thingswhere I'm like,

(43:34):
I getwhy it should not have been there to begin
with, but I think the act of changingit is a little dramatic.
you know,
it's like it's like when,you know, Taylor
Swift, like, didn't show her belly buttonand she only shows her midriff.
And she's like,she's like, only sexy to like, a line.
It's like, I feel like that's like,not that risque to be like,

(43:57):
she's better knownfor the things she does on the mattress.
I guess she's calling another girl slut.
That's not good. But look at rap music.
And, you know, she already said itlike it's already there.
She already said it.
I don't know, I don't think she shouldchange the line because she was.
I mean, everyone'sfucking immature back then
and she's going back and redoing our work,but I think she wanted it.
She didn't want a big,you know, show of anything either.

(44:18):
You know, kind of like, yeah.
Although I do think she should. In debut,
She changed the line when she said,I told all my friends you were gay.
And she said, and now it's like,I just want to say, like she.
She changed it up. But
I do think that should have been changed.
I think that was a smart move becausethat was very much during the time.
Calling other people
gay in a derogatory waywas kind of like what high schoolers did.

(44:40):
I hope they don't still do it.Oh yeah
But, I do appreciate that.
that
But like, I changed with the original.
Like, I think there's, like,
some versions that are out, like, it'snot like it went ten years.
And then she was like,no, this isn't cool anymore, right?
Right, right.
Yeah. She she caught that early on. So.
Well, okay.

(45:00):
In here, what do you think of the lines
Everyone knows thatmy mother is a saintly woman,
but she used to sayshe wished that you were dead.
I don't know how I feel about it.
I think it's pretty fucking bold.
Like, I don't dislike it.
I don't like it's not like,you know, my rage song.
I'm like, yeah, she wish you were dead.
It's just, like, kind of shocking.

(45:22):
I mean, she is a saintly woman.
And, you know, my mom might have saidsome crazy shit about people.
I don't think she's ever wishedanybody who's treated me poorly dead.
But I don't think anyone's treated me
the way that Taylor's been treatedby some of her enemies.
Yeah, true. That's true.
Yeah.
It was like that was.
That's the word for it is like shocking.
But that's what she wanted probably. Yeah.

(45:44):
So going back to the verse
so I pushed you to Boulder up that hillwhich that means something.
And I don't knowwhat it is yet. The boulder
pushed each boulder up that hill.
Yeah. It's a, it's a metaphor right.
For like something heavythat you carry the weight of it.
But Boulder means something like there's.
Yeah, I almost am questioningif it's like, like,

(46:08):
you know how she talks about castlesand bricks?
I every brick you threw at me,I built a castle.
So, like, kind of like that.
Then maybe the boulder is like creatingthe wall around the castle.
I don't know,
I might need to look something up orif any of our viewers have anything, leave
us comments on YouTube
because it makes me questionif there's more of, like, a story
or like a historical referenceof pushing a boulder,

(46:29):
or like if the name of the paperwas like the boulder
or like the a school mascotor like it's a town or something
is where my my, my mind wentbecause Boulder's such a a different
when these when she uses certain wordsthey just red flag to me.
They just stick out like thatmeans something else.
Maybe she was building.

(46:50):
Maybe she was building Stonehenge.
I'm just kidding.
That's the only you know. Why did you.
When's the last timeyou thought about Stonehenge?
Stonehenge?
The last time was that movie that.
What is it?
Oh, my God, it's like a parody movie.
Oh, I don't know. I don't watch movies.
What is it, Eric?What's that? All the time?

(47:10):
it's like about a bandand they're just like.
It's.
It's a whole parody movieabout this British rock band.
And they're like, oh, I need to know.
Now hold on.
Is Eric home?Our listeners need to know
Yeah, let's call him up.
Call him.
Let's just.
What if we just called Eric up?

(47:32):
What if we just called Eric up?
He's. I'm calling him from upstairs.
He's downstairs.Guys? Yes. We don't live apart.
Oh, hey.
Okay, you're on the air right now.
What is the movie I'm thinking of?
Where? It's a parody of a rock band.
And they say Stonehenge. Spinal Tap.

(47:53):
And the second thing
our viewers need to know is,what do you quote about the candy shop?
And I need you to do it in the Voice.
Jeff Beck
Jeff Beck pops his head in, says there'sa little sweet shop on the edge of town.
So we go and it's closed.

(48:14):
Instead of a God dog,they've got this great big
bloody Bengal tiger.
we had to get a hundred brown.
M&Ms and.
Ozzy wouldn't go on stage.
I don't know, all right, that's good,
said the God Dog.
They've got this great, deep,bloody place.

(48:36):
Is he still doing it in the background.
Yeah,take out the tiger with a can of rice.
But the shopkeeperhad a son of a different story altogether.
I had to beat them to deathwith their own shoes.
Nasty business. Really.
But we got the brown M&Ms and Ozzy
went on stage and did a great show.
Yeah.

(48:57):
See, he's reciting all that from memoryabout Spinal Tap.
Okay.Thank you. That's what I needed to know.
With a can of mace.
But the shopkeeper.
So that's. That's SpinalTap, that's Wayne's World. Oh,
yeah.
So this is this is two different things.
That was, the roadie from Wayne's World.
Okay. Wayne's world two, I believe.

(49:17):
And Spinal Tapis a totally different movie.
But also, why did we.
Okay, we're keeping the Wayne'sWorld thing in for sure.
All right. Thank you.
All right.
Oh, my God, that's hilarious.
Why is it quote Wayne's world?
Because you just.
You were like, what?
The thing you always quote.
And he, like, washe didn't think it was related

(49:39):
to the answer to the first question.
He just gave you what he always quotes.
He just knows me.
He just knows what quote
I needed at that time because he quotesso many different things all the time.
He quotes Home Alone one and two.
He quotes.
But these long dialogshe'll quote and just yeah,
just like it's not like a one linershout out to Eric.

(50:00):
So anyway, apparentlyStonehenge is in the movie Spinal Tap.
Yeah, they say Stonehenge I don't know.
Yeah. Got it, got it. Okay.
So yeah,it's it's a bunch of ancient stones
that are in a big circleand nobody knows how they got there.
And so when I, when you talkedabout pushing a boulder up a hill,
that's where my brain went.
Obviously Taylor'snot actually saying about Stonehenge,

(50:20):
but if you guys are unhinged enough, maybeyou can come up with the theory for us.
Yeah.
Hope you liked that little sidebar tour,
All right, what else?
We thanK you aIMee is there anything else?
The only thing I have left on.
thanK you aIMee, is the call back to Kimin the very last verse where she says,
your words were still just ringingin my head, ringing in my head.

(50:44):
So ringing like a phone.
Like a phone call.
So that's where she's calling back againto the phone call.
And that's the last lines before.Thank you Amy.
Thank you Amy. She says it twice.
So I think she says it to Kim and I thinkshe says it to this high school bully.
Ooh, I like that.
that's my analysis, guys.

(51:05):
So have you looked at the lyrics
and thought, like,maybe it's like every other line?
It may.
I did not think about that.
I could because it starts with hometownand the whole back and forth.
Yeah, that's somethingour viewers can look at it.
We won't spend time on that.
But maybe thinking of the lyrics
in that way, maybe she braids itin, right, like every other line.

(51:27):
all right.
Great. Well,should we move on to Cassandra then?
Yeah, let's do it.
Cassandra, where do I even start?
Okay, so I personally have beenvery interested in a lot of the drama
that's been unfolding in the musicindustry specifically.
So anything that I speak about,I just want to say is alleged,
especially when it comes to like, thingsabout the Kardashians.

(51:48):
P Diddy,you know, the Jenners, there's there's
going to be a lot that I just kind ofmaybe brush on.
So I just want to make sureholistically I say alleged.
and I'll try and sprinkle it infor you guys.
but there has beeninteresting developments.
And if we go back towhen Taylor's masters were sold,
if you guys have not listenedto all four parts of our Masters series,

(52:12):
it's actually kind of four and a half
because there is an episode that I didsolo and I did cover the UMG sale.
I'm sorry, the UMG deal that Scooter Braundid with his company, Hybe.
And so if you do not haveall that history, I definitely recommend
even after this,like starting back on that,
because there's something happeningin the music industry.

(52:33):
And I think Taylor in this song
is calling outthat she was the one who first started.
They wanted to kill Cassandra first
because she feared the worstand tried to tell the town, okay.
And I think I'll oh yeah,
I didn't know who Cassandra was because.
So Cassandra is actually a Greekmythological character in Greek mythology.

(52:54):
Actually, let me look that up real quickand just make sure. Is it?
Taylor though in the song is Taylor,is Cassandra Taylor?
Is Cassandra in my head?
Okay, that makes sense. Yep.
And so this is why I was like,you've slept on this song?
Because I really dothink it's about the industry.
I actually think it could specificallybe about scooter.
because,well, we'll get into that in a second.

(53:15):
But Cassandra in Greekmythology, was a Trojan priestess
dedicated to the god of Apolloand fated by him to utter
true prophecies but never to be believed.
Okay, so in the modern usage of her nameis employed in a rhetorical device
to indicate a personwhose accurate prophecy indicate a person

(53:38):
who's accurate prophecies, generallyof impending disaster, are not believed.
Okay,
so Cassandra is calling outwhat's about to happen.
Nobody's believing her.
And so the idea isthat they killed Cassandra.
I actually think she might have beenkilled in, like, Greek mythology, too.
There's plenty of videos on TikTok.If you look it up.

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I'm sure plenty of people have donedeep dives.
I personally haven't really deep diveinto the Cassandra side of it.
but if you want more,I'm sure there's got to be
there's got to be creatorswho've done that.
okay.
So knowing that in the industry.
So scooter bought the masters from Scott
Borchetta through the sale of BigMachine Records in 2019.

(54:20):
There was a lot of kind of publicpissing and moaning between both camps.
Right.
We went through that in the, in thethe whole part series.
Like literally Jessi reads offall the statements.
Okay.
And I want to mention that
because we're going to talk aboutsome of it in the song.
and then we had basically last

(54:41):
fall in 2023,where all of Scooter's artists
that had been signed to his managerkind of had a mass exodus.
Right? They all were announcedthat they were leaving.
Justin Bieber is still allegedlymaybe tied to scooter.
And I will touch on that.
but I do think thatthere is a bigger picture thing happening
in the music industry right nowthat we have yet to uncover fully.

(55:05):
I think Diddy is the canaryin the coal mine to all of it.
He's kind of the first to fall.
But in the canary in the coal mine analogyis that, you know, they have canaries
literally in the coal mine.
And if Canary died, they knew, uh oh,the air is not good.
So everyone needs to evacuate. Right?
So he's, you know, he's the firstto kind of show like the air is not good.
Okay.

(55:26):
So Kris Jenner,there is a deep dive that I recommend
for people who are really into thisby a creator called Bekah Day
@bekahdayy
She does a ton of like,pop culture stuff.
Not necessarily Taylor,but pop culture deep dives.
And I just watched a deep dive of KrisJenner.
It's one of her playlist, the other day,and she talks about

(55:48):
just kind of the historyof the Kardashian family,
not necessarilylike how it's tied to Taylor in any way.
But I think if you're interested
in this industry stuff,that's a good kind of resource
because it's a very long playlistand a lot of good content.
But I just think that there'sgoing to be more
that kind of gets brought to lightsurrounding how the music industry
is intertwined,how the Kardashian family is allegedly

(56:10):
part of what's happening with Diddyand the sex trafficking of women
and the even men, you know, Justin Bieber.
I fully am convicted that he is a victimin this industry.
I it's funny because he was kind of partof some of the bullying of Taylor
back in 2016.He posted that post Instagram.

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Hey Taylor what's up?
And he was like with Scooterand Kanye and FaceTime but
he was brought in.
He was 15 years old.
He made a video I think when he was like13 actually on YouTube.
Scooter Braun, Scooter Braun,the kind of Devil of Taylor story
found Justin Bieber on YouTube,
flew him and his mom from Canadato Georgia.

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Atlanta, Georgia had him meet with JustinTimberlake and Usher.
He ended up signing a dealwith Justin Bieber with Usher and Scooter.
They made a record labelspecifically for Justin called
RaymondBraun Productions or Braun Raymond.
You guys can look it up.
It's, it's just their last names.
And to this day, Justin is the only artist

(57:17):
to have ever signed with that label,which is fucking weird.
That's weird.
It's kind of.
It gives me, like, conservatorship vibes.
so that's where when the whole exodus happened
and nobody really knows if Justin is notwith scooter anymore or if he is.
None of those other artistswere under a label with him.

(57:38):
They were only signed to his management,
so they might have had a little bitmore liberty to leave.
I think contractually, somehowJustin is still tied to scooter,
but I think that personallyand professionally he has obviously
distanced himself from Scooter Braunor he would have made a statement
because I think I mean, Justin,I think he knows what's going down

(58:00):
and all this too.
And he's obviously like,could be a victim of it himself.
yeah.
There's been several videos of himwith Diddy or photos
and stuff with him with Diddythat came out.
He wrote that song lonely.
If you guys have not listened to JustinBieber's
Lonely Song,I was not really that into his music.
I'm still not really, to be honest.
It's a little too pop ish for me,but lonely, he sings that like,

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you know, what would youdo if you had it all and nobody to call?
That's just fucking lonelybecause I've had everything
and no one's listening and I'mso fucking lonely is what he's singing.
And so I did a couple videos on thison my TikTok, just kind of talking
about how he's been leaving crypticclues in music videos and stuff like that.
So I think that, as it kind of tiesto the Diddy of it all and, you know,

(58:47):
obviously, he, he's got a relationshiptoo, with the Kardashians.
There's actually an episodeof Keeping With the Kardashians where,
when Justin was, oh, gosh,he was underage.
I think he was like 14 or 15,maybe 15 or 16.
He did a photo shoot with or with Kimwhen she was 29, and they did like,

(59:08):
there was like a sexy theme, like Mrs.
Robinson where, like, he wasa photographer and she was in lingerie,
and then she's in the kitchen with her momand one of her sisters
talking about Justin and being like,oh, I wish he was 18.
I can't wait till he's 18.
And yeah, yeah, likelook it up on YouTube.
It's it's actually disgusting.

(59:30):
And that's where I'm like like again, I'mnot I'm not saying
that they've done anything illegal,but the evidence is out there
that there's definitely weird shitin the industry with this whole group.
And so when I talk about it,when I finally get to Cassandra here, I'm
going to talk a little bit about that,because I do think that some of
what she's talking aboutmight be the sale of her masters

(59:52):
and her trying to bring attentionto what's happening in the industry.
Further,you have a sexual harassment lawsuit
that Kesha filed against her producer,Doctor Luke.
I think his name was Taylor,gave Kesha $250,000 to fight that lawsuit.
So she has this,you know, friend or at least,

(01:00:16):
you know, peer in the industrythat she has watched
be allegedly raped.
R-worded whatever we want to call it.
And, you know, helped hergo after that, man.
So when we talk about Cassandra was tryingto tell everyone what's happening.
Okay.
That's my that's my kind of sidebar. Okay.

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Are we ready for some lyrics? Yeah.
That's interesting.
Yeah.
Okay, so she says I was in my new houseplacing daydreams.
I think that's where I start to think thismight be about the scale of the record,
because she would have been with her
new record label in 2019when the, masters were sold.
So she was in her new house, placingnone other than daydreams.

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Okay, I was just thinking that, like,placing daydreams like,
that doesn't sound likeshe was just daydreaming.
That sounds like I was placing daydreams.
The album, the company, the something.
Well, look at what it.
What if daydreams is a recordlabel or dream
because you have all these dream theories.
Yeah, I have a whole thing. Yeah.I didn't even think about that.
That should have caught my attentionright there. Just.

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But with oh my God.
Okay, okay.
So I was in my new houseplacing daydreams, patching up the crack
along the wall.
So again, she just broke through with it.
She just broke up with Big MachineRecords.
She's probably trying to justbuild her new house right?
I pass it and lose track of what

(01:01:44):
I'm saying because that's where I waswhen I got the call.
Initially.
When I listen to this,I thought the call was the Kanye call,
but now I'm questioning if it has to dowith her finding out about the Masters.
Or maybe it is both like me.
We talked on Aimee.
Maybe there's two kind of things happeninghere.
Two times that she was Cassandra,

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where they tried to kill herbecause she was trying to tell the truth.
so I kind of thinkthat's a double meaning.
The only reason whyI think it's more about the Masters
is because in a later verse,instead of saying, when I got the call,
she said, that's where I waswhen I lost it all,
which I think is clearlyabout the loss of the Masters.

(01:02:26):
Okay.
So the pre-chorus is when the first stonesthrown, there's screaming
in the streets, there's a raging riotwhen it's burn the bitch,
they're shriekingwhen the truth comes out.
It's quiet.
First time I heard thisI thought about the phone call with Kanye.
Right.
Because everyone was sayingburn the bitch.
And they were shrieking that summer,and then when the phone call came out,

(01:02:49):
wasn't that much noise around it, right?
People weren't, you know.
But then I think about
if if there is somethingallegedly with scooter
and obviously there's been smoke,but we don't know what the fire is.
But he had all of his artists leaveand I'll speak about this in later lyrics
about how she talks about peoplebeing quiet and,
you know, blood's thickbut nothing like a payroll.

(01:03:11):
It makes me wonder
if she's pointing at like, Demi and Arianaand Justin and is like,
everyone was shrieking and now it's likeyou kind of y'all, y'all did your thing.
But it was quietwhenever you found out the truth.
Okay, so they killed Cassandra
first because she feared the worstand tried to tell the town.
So they filled my cell with snakesand I regret to say do you believe me now.

(01:03:35):
So snakes is obviously Rep(ie) you know.
So again I'mlike maybe this is like a holistic picture
of what happened to her,not just about the Masters, but
being likethey tried to take her down in 2016.
Then scooter brought herbecause scooter was part of the 2016 shit.
He was the manager of Kanye during thatvideo and during all of that drama,
he managed Justin Bieberlike he was very much

(01:03:57):
tied into a lot of the peoplewho were bullying her.
So like, that could have been the initialtrying to take down
and then buying her Masterswas like another follow up.
He's been he's literally been tryingto take her down since the very beginning.
I mean, it's even started with the prank.
I mean like it's awful.
Like I justthat man has not there's no good story

(01:04:18):
that I've ever heard about him. No.
Literally nothing.
yeah.
And I love how she says, I regret to saydo you believe me now.
Like to me that's where I'm like, again,if it's just about the phone call, like,
she could be talking to us and me, like,yeah, do you guys believe me or not?
Just us, but maybe people who hated it on her.
Like the phone call came out.

(01:04:39):
Everyone's quiet, do you.
Like,I hate to say, but do you believe me?
I feel like it's more like,vindictive than that.
Like, I,I just feel like there's more to it than.
This is not justabout the phone call, right?
Yeah.
I was in my tower weaving nightmares,
twisting all my smiles and just snarls.

(01:05:01):
And I love that line because it reminds meof the delicate music
videotwisting all my snail smiles into snarls.
So again, kind of coming back to rap,which came out in reaction
to a lot of this shit.
Then they say, what doesn't killyou makes you aware.
But what happens if when it becomeswho you are?

(01:05:23):
Which again, it's like they like
what became is like reputationlike like this drama became who she was
more than just like, oh, it made her awareto be more careful in the future.
I love that line. What doesn't kill you?
Instead of saying what doesn't killyou makes you stronger,
which is what the normal line is,she says.
What doesn't kill you makes you awarewhich is so much more truthful,

(01:05:45):
like it makes you more alert,it makes you wiser, it makes you more
aware of your surroundingsand better for the next time.
Something were to happen.
Yeah, which is a strength.
But it's not just like it's a much better,descriptive
word for that kind of strengththat comes out of it.
Yep.

(01:06:07):
so again the chorus then playsthey kill Cassandra first,
even though she feared the worstand tried to tell the town.
So then there's a bridge.
She says they knew,
they knew, they knew the whole time.
Kind of coming back to your thanK you aIMeapproach of saying how she said
thank you, Aimee. Twice. I almost wonderif when she says they knew, they knew.
They knew.
She's talking about

(01:06:27):
three different sets of peopleor three different people individually.
Yeah, three different situations,possibly.
Yeah.
so she goes, they knew. They knew.
They knew the whole timethat I was on to something.
The family,the pure greed, the Christian Chorus line.
Yeah. You know who that's about, right?

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I mean that to me when I hear that
the family Kardashians,
the, greedand then the Christian component.
Doesn't Kris Jenner owna church and runs her funds through there?
Yes, that's what she does.
Yeah, she does it again.

(01:07:09):
Fuck.
It's shady.
The Bekah Day on TikTok.
Her deep dive covers a little bit of thatif you want to touch of that.
The other thing I think ofis the Hillsong Church of it all.
That kind of was around that timewhere and Hillsong Church is big.
It started in Australia,I think, but like the celebrity
of Hillsongbecame a big thing back in like the point.

(01:07:32):
I think it was really like2014, 2015, 2016 of I'm thinking clearly
and like Justin Bieber went to Hillsongand there's a whole documentary about it
and kind of fucked, yeah, whichI was thinking that was Kanye's church.
But no, that's it.Doesn't he have something different?
He didn't. I'm not sure.
Kind of on
he held like these Sunday circlesand everyone go

(01:07:54):
and they were all like dressed in white
and stuff when he was married to Kimand he would preach and talk weird.
Well, I mean, there's I mean,if it's not related to Hillsong, it's
another layer of the use of religionand stuff like that.
And yeah, I when I heard the family,I thought the Kardashian, the pure greed,
the Christian Chorus line, it's just wild.

(01:08:15):
If you guys have any thoughts onthat as well.
It's like, maybe there's another likebecause I think Chorus Line too.
I'm like, that's it's differentto say the church or something, but
yeah, it's like multiple entities.
Yeah.
And you know, as much as we say,okay, well,
you know, Kris Kardashian had a churchand, and funneled funds through it, like
I think the I pretty sure again,this is alleged

(01:08:37):
and I haven't triple checked the factsthat I've heard.
but I'm pretty sure like,there was like a membership fee,
but then you got it backat the end of the year.
And so then it was like,is that like funnel?
Like, you know, I mean, becausethen you could say that, okay, I donated,
let's say $15,000 this year to a churchand you write it off on your taxes,
but at the end of the yearyou actually get it back.

(01:08:58):
So it's not really a donation.
Like there's
just like sillykind of weird stuff with that
that make it seem likethere's something suspicious.
But maybe the family,the pure greed in the Christian line
could also be threedifferent references, right?
It might not just be one person,it might just be, a chance
that, you know, the Kardashianscould fit more than one of these.
okay.

(01:09:19):
So again, kind of before that,she said they knew.
They knew the whole time.So after she talks about the Christian
choir line,she said they all said nothing.
Bloods thick, but nothing like a payroll.
so again, family payroll.
I think about nothing like a payroll.
I think about all the other celebritiesthat were under Scooter's management,

(01:09:41):
like people are.
People are not going to speak up.
but they never spared a prayerfor my soul.
She says in that same bridge,you can mark my words
that I said it first in a mourning warning
No one heard in this lyricthat I pulled is from that genius.com,

(01:10:02):
and I'm just realizing that it's mourning,like mourning the death of something
not not early like day morning.
I heard warning I heard is like morningas in the time of day.
Like that's how I always took it,which could be a double meaning
and itcould just be a typo by the genius.com.

(01:10:23):
So we might just need to doublecheck that.
If you guys are interested, definitelygo to like Spotify or Apple Music and see.
Or do you want to check out real quick?
Yeah, let me check it.
That's really interesting
because that could that's definitelyprobably a double meaning.
Oh my gosh, maybe
in a mourning warningit's Mounring like, yeah

(01:10:43):
if they killed Cassandra, it's likeafter she was, you know, killed there.
You know, hypotheticallydoes the same mourning in that way.
Yeah. Mourning.
Like grieving. Yeah.
But I think yeah. Yeah.
okay.
So in verse three she says,I patched up the crack along the wall,
I passed it and lotI pass it and lose track of what

(01:11:05):
I'm saying because that's where I waswhen I lost it all.
So again, it's kind of calling backto that first verse where she says, that's
where I was when I got the call.
So again,the loss of the master's potentially.
So they killed Cassandra first,even though she feared the worst
and tried to tell the town.
So then after the chorus, she said,she says I was on to something,

(01:11:25):
but they all said nothing.
Okay, again,I'm thinking Ariana and Demi and all the.
Or maybe it's just people in the industry.
You think about the DoctorLuke lawsuit with Kesha.
Maybe she's not pointing at other artists,but pointing at people who worked
with her because she says blood's thick,but nothing like a payroll.
Who else in this industry is awareof all this shit that's about to come out?

(01:11:46):
Allegedly.
And she's saying, I was on to somethingand they all said nothing.
It's corrupt. Something's going on.
Yeah.
And she follows that up with againthe blood thick
but nothing like a payroll.
They never spared a prayer for my soul.
You can mark my words that I said it firstand then a mourning warning.

(01:12:07):
No one heard.
No one heard not a single word was heard.
and then at the very end,she just repeats the.
When the first stone thrown,they're screaming in the streets
a raging riot when it's burn the bitch,they're shrieking.
When the truth comes out,it's quiet, it's so quiet.
That reminds me, too, of,like, burning all the witches.

(01:12:28):
Even if you aren't one.
Yep. Reputation.
I didn't write that down, but yeah,that's the that's the call out there.
And then evenI feel like in TTPD with, like
the imagery of levitatingfrom the gallows and stuff.
It's it's the I'm a witch imagerywhich we.
Yeah, which we embrace nowbecause of Taylor.
I think she's made itkind of clever with even Willow

(01:12:50):
and all this imageryon tour about her being a witch.
yeah, I love it, I love it.
I know, that's why I love Cassandra.
I feel like it's one that is, to me,very clear about the Masters.
So ahead of this, album release,Jessi and I just.
Jessi just one day was like,hey, I think I want to talk
about the sale of the Masters.

(01:13:11):
I think I have, like an episodeor two worth of notes,
and then it turned intolike a four part series,
and it was so serendipitousbecause it really is good
for us to deep dive that for you guys.
But also, I came into TTPD expecting
references to the masters in the sale,
and I think that Cassandra is the one songthat I could definitely say is,

(01:13:31):
yeah, that is thatis that should have caught my attention.
But I think by the time I get to thatpart of the album, I my mind is shut down.
So lately I've been listeningto the album on shuffle just so that I get
a better sense of like some of the songs,because like I said before, my I, it has
taken me a very long time to process TTPDand I'm still processing it.

(01:13:53):
Yeah, well, that's why we chose Clara Bow.
thanK you aIMee and Cassandra,as some of our early ones
to analyze for you guys,because we got it.
We need more time before we need more clue
to understandbefore we get to the Matty of it all.
Exactly. Exactly.
Or even like, you know, some of the onesthat, are political.

(01:14:14):
You know, I was talking to you about thatlast night with I think I hate it.
Here is a political song.
You know, Florida, we're starting to kindof piece together may just literally be.
I mean, I think there's some pieces of it
where there's clearly a deaththat happens in Florida, a murder.
Yeah.
actually, I think we need to do Florida
definitely soon, and I maybe next time,but definitely soon.

(01:14:36):
and I think, if you guys
comment in our comments on YouTubeand let us know what songs
you want to hear us analyzeor dig into further and we'll do it.
So. Yep. Absolutely.
All right.
Well, we are at time now.
So I think that really wraps it for today.

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