March 18, 2025 • 51 mins
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Trisha Hershberger, a 12-year veteran in the content creation world, takes us behind the curtain of what it truly means to build a sustainable career around your passions. Moving from theater training to digital storytelling, Trisha has carved out a unique space for herself discussing technology, video games, tabletop gaming, and broader fandom culture across multiple platforms.
What separates her journey from many others is her steadfast commitment to content diversity despite algorithm pressures to niche down. "If you're going to have longevity as a creator, you can't just do one thing all the time," Trisha explains. "You'll get sick of it, run out of content ideas, and be creatively less fulfilled." This philosophy has allowed her to weather platform changes while building meaningful connections with her audience.
The conversation delves into the rarely discussed challenges of content creation – from the staggering $30,000 annual health insurance costs for her family to the complex negotiations behind brand partnerships. Trisha offers candid insights into what working with brands actually entails, debunking the myth that creators "just get paid for posting pictures." Her careful approach to partnerships – first assessing whether she genuinely likes the product, then evaluating if the brand representatives seem reasonable to work with – reveals the thoughtful business acumen behind successful creator careers.
As a woman in traditionally male-dominated niches, Trisha shares how she's navigated both the advantages of standing out and the challenges of constantly having to prove her knowledge. The shift from community-based social platforms to algorithmic content delivery has intensified these challenges, creating situations where every new video potentially faces the same scrutiny from unfamiliar audiences.
Perhaps most powerfully, Trisha reveals how she's balanced her creative career with motherhood, candidly discussing how her husband transitioned to being a stay-at-home parent during the pandemic, enabling her demanding schedule of production days, streams, and events. This glimpse into the careful orchestration required to make creator careers sustainable alongside family responsibilities offers invaluable perspective for anyone considering this path.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Tube Talk, the show dedicated to helping
you become a better videocreator so you can get more
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, welcome back to the only podcast.
That's never the same twoepisodes in a row.
And I'm Travis, of course, asalways, but this time Jen isn't
with me.
She's on her way into a secretthing that's going to happen in
the next episode.
Y'all are going to want to staytuned for that, but I am joined
by an amazing creator.
I'm super excited to haveTrisha Hershberger here.
How are you doing today, Trisha?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
You know what, travis , I'm doing better now that I
get to be here chatting with you.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Thank you for having me.
We're going to have so much funtoday.
We're going to talk about allthe things, but if you are the
first time listener or viewer,we welcome you, as we like to
talk a lot about YouTuber-ythings, sometimes growing your
channel.
Sometimes we talk to full-timecreators, which is what we're
going to do today talking about,like, what that lifestyle is
like.
We do all the things.
So, if you're new here, hitsubscribe.
If you're on YouTube, and ifyou're on YouTube and if you're
listening to audio podcasts,just grab some popcorn, sit back
, relax.
We're about to tickle your earswith a bunch of fun stories.
(01:09):
Just let's start off with thething that I'm super happy to
start off with, because Jenisn't here.
She can't, she can't mess thisup, so this is an undercover
candy podcast as well, sosometimes we talk about candy
here.
Okay, all right, and there's acontroversy here.
There's two teams.
I'm not going to bias you ineither way.
I just want you to know whatthe teams are and then I just
need you to vote for one.
That's all it is.
(01:29):
It's all it is.
There is only one right answer,but I'm not going to tell you
which one it is.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
No pressure.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
All right, One of us on this on this show loves candy
corn and the other lovesCadbury cream eggs.
Now I just need to be clear.
You can only choose one.
If you had to, which would youchoose?
Which team are you on?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
If I had to choose one, I would choose candy corn.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
All right, that's the end of that episode.
Ladies and gentlemen, thank youfor joining us.
Jen is going to kill.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Cadbury cream eggs thing for me as a consistency.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
That's what she says.
That's exactly what Jen says.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Terrible.
I can't wait to surprise herwith a Cadbury egg later today.
She doesn't even know.
All right, anyway, now thatwe're past that I know some
people are cheering in thecomment section Trisha, tell us
a little bit about yourself,like what's your background?
You've been around for a longtime.
I know a lot about you becauseI've come across you on the
interwebs many times.
But for people who don't know,give us a little bit of your
background.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Sure.
Well, my name is TrishaHershberger and I have been
fortunate enough to be afull-time content creator now
for gosh probably 12 or 13 yearsI kind of lost count somewhere
after 10.
But my background just in short.
I got my degree in theater, instage theater, and moved out to
(02:50):
Los Angeles to pursue anentertainment career but did not
have all the wonderful nepotismcontacts that so many people
have, and so found myself doingit on my own and auditioning for
everything I possibly could.
That, you know, wasn't askingme to do something that I felt
in my soul was horribly wrong.
And eventually I kind of trippedand fell into YouTube and
(03:12):
discovered this world where youcan talk about things that
you're passionate about and youcan make really fun content and,
if you are able to gather anaudience, thus a career makes.
And so that was back in like2011 or 2012.
And of course, now I'm presenton all the different platforms,
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but I mainly talk about thingsthat I love.
So technology, video games,tabletop games and kind of
fandom entertainment, so thatwhen I say that that's spanning,
like sci-fi, fantasy, comicbook stuff, and back in the day
we used to call it like geekthemed content.
But you can't really say thatnow, because that stuff is all
(03:53):
the super popular content.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
But I feel like if you say pop culture, people
think you mean the Kardashians.
And so we're in this weirdplace that it's kind of hard to
quantify.
But yeah, I consider myselfvery fortunate that I get to
talk about things I'm passionateabout for a living.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
That feels like very dreamy, because a lot of times
we talk about on YouTube,especially if you want to grow
immediately, is to niche down.
But you have, the niche thatyou're in is a niche.
It is like geekdom or whateveryou want to call it, so it is
technically a niche.
However, it spans so manythings.
I've seen you talk about videogames, literally computers, like
(04:28):
all the things you've talkedabout.
I've literally seen you do allthis stuff and uh, as a growth
strategy on youtube by itself,especially when you're first
starting out, probably not athing you could do anymore, but
there is an instant and I'd loveto hear when that moment seemed
to switch, if there was amoment that switched for you,
where it's like I actually canmake a living doing just
everything I'm passionate about,rather than just this one
little thing that just, yeah, Ilike it, but I'd want to talk
(04:49):
about these other things too.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, it's.
It was interesting for mebecause I had a different start.
I feel like to most people inthe YouTube scene when I say I
tripped and fell into YouTube.
I went to an audition in LosAngeles that said online news
host and I was like, yeah, Idon't have a broadcast
journalism degree, but whatever,let's go for it.
Right, and I went in to thisaudition and, um, I read my news
(05:14):
stories that I prepared onindex cards and that was fine.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It was fine.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Um.
And then they kind of said ohwell, do you play video games?
Do you like books?
What do you read?
Are you into tech at all?
And I remember leaving thataudition and thinking I don't
know what that was actually for,but I think I nailed it.
I think, I was what they werelooking for and I ended up
getting called in and it was towork for a brand new YouTube
channel being launched by PhilipDeFranco, who is still
(05:40):
obviously a major player in thespace, does really great work
still obviously a major playerin the space, does really great
work and so I ended up beingcast as talent on an ensemble
YouTube channel Okay, and sothat was where I first really
kind of learned the ropes ofYouTube.
But it was a little interestingbecause back then you could
still be this more broad type ofchannel.
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I mean, at one point we werekind of pitching a content
strategy that was like videogame Mondays, anime Tuesdays,
wacky tech Wednesdays, like itwas really spanning a lot of
different content categories.
And nowadays you're right,travis, you can't really do that
Like.
Nowadays the algorithms reallywant you to niche down.
But I think because I startedmy content creator journey so
(06:22):
broad, I've really stuck to that.
Um, really, it's kind of mebucking the algorithm a little
bit, uh, if I can.
But I feel like if you're goingto have longevity as a creator,
you can't just do one thing allthe time.
You'll get so sick of it,you'll run out of content ideas,
you'll be creatively lessfulfilled.
That's my take on it at least,and I know a lot of creators
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that nowadays work around thatby having multiple channels and
different channels to do yourdifferent types of content.
I still primarily workproducing content, like I was
then as talent for someoneelse's channel.
I still produce a lot ofcontent for other channels and
specifically other brands,channels in addition to my own.
So that kind of helps with thecreative need to want to spread
(07:06):
your wings a bit more and covermore types of things.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, we had Justin Moore on a couple weeks ago and
he talked a lot about branddeals and stuff and you work
with a lot of brands.
It also feels like you'vebranded yourself.
So when we talk about niche,you do talk about the geekdom
niche, but in a lot of ways youare kind of the the niche, the
brand that people are connectingwith.
So it while it's cool to hearyou talk about star wars or
(07:29):
whatever they come for, yourtake specifically because, as
you've said, you know youstarted from the get-go kind of
wide and just kind of kept it,so that became a brand in and of
itself.
How do you do that?
If you were to tell someone, um, you know all the mistakes you
made along the way and then allthe things you've learned along
the way, what would you tell anew person who wants to try?
I know it's hard now, but ifyou knew then what you know now,
(07:51):
what would you say?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I would say don't feel the pressure to fake it
Like.
If there's something that youthink like, oh I should really
know more about this oneparticular thing than you do,
like for me, kind of my.
So I make, I make you knowfandom content, right, but one
of my big nerd blind spots isanime and I remember very early
(08:14):
in my career thinking I need tooh, I need to pretend I know
everything about anime and I'mgoing to do a crash course and
watch all this stuff.
And you know, try to be able,like I need to be the expert on
everything.
And I would say you don't needto be the expert on everything.
Branch out to the things thatyou're really passionate about,
because that's what you're goingto be able to create content
the most easily about.
(08:35):
And I think, especially early inyour creative career, you want
to focus on things that you cannaturally pump out content fast
and easy, because for a longtime you're shouting to an empty
room while you're building thataudience, there's not a lot of
people watching.
You're probably not gettingpaid for it, unless you figured
(08:56):
out some hack that the rest ofus don't know.
So it has to be something that,in addition to whatever your
day job for money is, you havefun doing.
So.
If you don't have fun talkingabout that specific content type
, I would shy away from that andjust be comfortable in who you
are and just say like you knowwhat.
That's not something I know alot about and that's okay.
(09:18):
I don't feel the need to beperfect at everything.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I love that.
That's such great advicebecause I think there is that
pressure that creators put onthemselves we talk to when we
have people email in.
We have a lot of people who arestarting out, just starting out
, and they'll see someone likeyou who's been doing it for a
while.
It makes it look easy.
Let's just, let's just put itout there, you make it look easy
, very kind of you to say it youmake.
so this is the thing.
Like I'm really good at off thecuff stuff, like I can.
(09:43):
I can do unscripted stuff allday long and make it look good.
I swear to beans, if you put ascript in front of me, I'm a
bumbling idiot.
I can't read any of it.
I can't remember what I'msupposed to say.
Now, I can't do it.
The skills are not all the same, right.
So when you're, when you're thatgood at it and it makes it look
easy that you have creatorscome in and like, oh, that's,
that's easy, I can do that.
And then he tried to do it andit's like, oh, my gosh, that was
(10:03):
, that's a lot harder.
I don't understand why they'renot getting these views.
Why am I not getting all thesebrands reaching out to me?
But speaking of brands, I dokind of want to understand, like
, what is the current workflowfor you when a brand comes in?
So recently, like I said, twoepisodes ago I think it was two
we had Justin here and he talkeda lot about the kind of
negotiations and stuff.
But I'm curious from thecreator side itself, because
(10:25):
he's like a coach for creatorsto get brands.
But you're the actual creatorand you have the company and you
now are.
The brands are coming to you.
Talk us through.
You don't have to give usnumbers, but like talk us
through what that process lookslike and what you keep in mind
whenever you're negotiating.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
So the first thing that I think about when a brand
comes to me is is this a brandfit?
Is this something I wouldcreate content on, regardless of
if there was any brandaffiliation Like, would I just
like to make this content?
And if the answer is no, thenusually it's a polite decline
right there to save everybodytime.
If the answer is, oh, heck,yeah, I've been wanting to do
(11:06):
this one for a while, then I'llrespond and see if I can kind of
open the door to a negotiation.
I think it gets a little trickywhen the answer is I don't know
, maybe, because then it'sreally an inquiry for more
information.
Do you have other product videos?
Would you be comfortablesending me a sample to check out
before we agree to apartnership?
I'm happy to send you you thesample back, but you know I
(11:27):
don't want to endorse somethingthat I don't actually believe in
, um.
So I think the first step ofthat is do I actually like and
would I actually use thisproduct?
Um, and so once you've kind ofgotten past that hurdle, then
the second hurdle for me is do Ithink this marketing agency or
brand or whoever's doingoutreach seems reasonable to
(11:48):
work with?
Because sometimes I love theproduct and the marketing agency
is a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
And if I feel like this whole brand deal is going
to be 100 plus emails back andforth, which I'm not
exaggerating- I believe you Someof them really are.
Yeah, I believe you and theywant to micromanage every step
of my creative process.
It's simply not worth it to me.
No amount that they're going topay me, it will compensate me
(12:14):
for the amount of time andstress that that brand deal will
take, Even if I love theproduct right, yeah.
Like, sometimes that's just thereality of it.
I'm like, look, I'd rather buyyour product myself and make a
video on it just for me, and notdeal with your nightmare.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Literally have done that, literally have done that.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yes, yes, exactly.
So, yeah, is it a brand fit?
Do I actually like it?
Step one.
Step two do I think thesepeople are people I want to work
with for the next month or two,because sometimes brand deals
can span month, two months I'veeven done some that are three or
four months and just like youhave to like being in an office
with someone, like, is thissomeone I want in my inbox all
the time.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Once you've gotten over those two hurdles, then
I'll get to the point where I'llsay, ok, here's what I think I
could produce your content forand, realistically, let me know
which distribution platformsyou're looking for.
I'll put together a package foryou.
And usually I put togetherthree different packages, like
kind of the budget tier, the midrange and the premium package,
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and see what they're comfortablemoving forward with.
We'll get some kind ofcontractor agreement in place
and then we'll begin theproduction process and the
post-production process and thenthere's usually one or two
rounds of revisions that I offerthe brand at that point before
we decide on a posting date.
Now that's kind of the you knowoverall broad steps of it.
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But there are, like I said,there's some brands that they
want you to do everything theirway and you know it changes
based on who it is.
They want you to do everythingtheir way and you know it
changes based on who it is.
But generally if a brand or amarketing agency is very
collaborative when they worktogether, then that's someone
I'd like to work with again inthe future.
So it's funny Sometimes themarketing agency I know they're
a great marketing agency to workwith and they'll come to me
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with a brand I may not haveconsidered before, but because
they're so lovely to work withand they're open to my creative
ideas, then we can maybe make ithappen.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, I've had that same situation where I'm like I
really don't, I'm ambivalent,but then I've worked with the
yeah, exactly that.
And then it's like okay, fine,fine, it's fine, I'll do it,
let's.
Let's talk a little bit aboutthe industry that you're in and
I just I have to ask, becauseoriginally this was going to be
like more you and Jen talkingabout women in creation, and I
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think there's there needs to bea lot more talked about women
creators, because I think youguys have unique obstacles that
a lot of guys don't.
So I want to talk specificallyabout that for you.
Because you're in amale-dominated niche, let's just
call it for what it is.
Because you're in amale-dominated niche, let's just
call it for what it is andyou're a female in it.
Now, that could be an advantageor a disadvantage, and I would
love to hear which you think itis.
(14:51):
Is it an advantage because youhave a unique voice amongst all
the other guys, or is it adisadvantage?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
because literally it's the guys club and you have
to try to fit in.
I don't think it's a one or theother issue.
I think, it's a little of columnA and a little of column B, for
exactly the reasons you said.
Right, you're naturally goingto stand out as something
different, for better or forworse.
There are some people that arelooking specifically for
different and there's somepeople that are very adverse to
different, and I think a lot ofpeople naturally, not even
(15:22):
maliciously.
Of course there's somemalicious people out there, but
everybody has trolls, right Ofcourse.
But I think that a lot ofpeople, not intended,
maliciously, think that's notwhat I was expecting to see.
Something must be wrong here,just in their subconscious
Interesting, age or apersonality type, whatever it is
(15:42):
, that's other than what theywere expecting to see.
I do feel like people try tofigure out what's wrong here,
and in the what's wrong here iswhen you start to see the
questioning of like this persondoesn't actually know what
they're talking about or theywere just hired for reasons X, y
and Z, or like people are a lotmore critical when something is
(16:03):
not what they expected to see,which I think is a very natural
human response.
And so I think, in a lot ofways, if you are other than what
people are expecting to see,you have more work to do in
order to prove yourself, whichwas very present early on in my
career.
Like I said, you know a lot ofthat pressure I felt like I have
to be an expert at everything.
I think was in part a responseto that, because I knew that
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everyone's first impression wasthat somehow I was being
inauthentic, which I had onlyeven gotten the job like nerding
out about things that Iactually liked.
So it was really like as someonethat was trained in acting.
This was the most authentic Ihad ever been.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
The irony.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
To talk about books I like and movies I like and
games I like.
And so it was, you know, a bitof a trial by fire period for me
as a creator and as a performerto encounter that so early.
And then I was very lucky inthat I had built up a community
that even if someone new hadcome in, someone else in the
(17:03):
community would say, oh, youclearly haven't seen the past
five years of her work.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Right right.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
But now, with the change from social media to
algorithmic media, that problemis present all over again.
Interesting All the time and Ireally feel for creators that
are coming up right now.
It's part of the reason that,as a creator, I kind of shy away
from tick tock and a lot ofshort form video interesting
(17:29):
because every video is beingshown to not my community, and
so with every release I amencountering all over again wow
this stupid woman doesn't knowanything about X, y and Z.
all over again.
It feels like the first year ofmy career.
It feels like 13 years ago allover again with every video
(17:53):
release and it's honestly, froma mental health perspective it
is just exhausting.
So hats off to the creatorsthat do algorithmic media.
All the time I yearn for thedays where it's your followers
in the community you've built upthat see your content.
It's part of the reason thatnow I am so much more active on
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Twitch, because my Twitchsubscribers get the notification
that I'm live and the majorityof my community that I hang out
with there is my community.
It's not just being shown towhoever the algorithm and feels
like on that day, but it's adifferent landscape now than it
used to be in terms of how youmight build up a community right
(18:38):
.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
That's such a really interesting take on that I had
never really I had heardrecently cause I don't really
dabble in short form that shortform audiences tend to be more
quote toxic than than otherforms I had.
But I didn't consider, in whatyou were just describing, what
that would be like if you're.
You know, you're constantly Imean for the most part, on
(18:59):
youtube you're always beingshown to a new audience.
But to your point, uh, twitch,the.
The plus about Twitch is thatyou generally can make a
community and they kind of stickwith you and it's that thing.
The minus is thediscoverability isn't quite as
good as YouTube, but the minusfrom the discoverability point
is literally what you justdescribed.
So it's very interesting.
I love how you put that.
So was there a point, or isthere a point, where you just
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stopped looking at commentsother than Twitch?
Okay, so let's talk about theline.
I mean, I think one.
It's funny.
We got a comment today on one ofthe old podcasts talking about
the, the negative parts of goingfull time.
So we can actually talk aboutthat here, because everyone
always talks to positives.
Oh, you got, you know, you'reyour own boss, blah, blah, blah.
By the way, you're your ownboss is also your negative.
(19:44):
Uh, it's not just your positive, it's also your negative.
Um, but I would love to hearabout these things like what are
the things that you didn't know?
Or, or a lot of new creatorsdon't know, that are the not so
great things about goingfull-time, because there are
some not so great things aboutgoing full-time, which can
include privacy, by the way Iwant you to talk about.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Sure, whether you are full-time or even a part-time
creator, you have to deal withthe comments, the positive, the
negative and everything inbetween.
Sometimes they're just strange,sometimes they don't make any
sense and can leave youscratching your head for days,
like there's always that onecomment that'll just get under
your skin, yeah, and you're likewhat, what even was?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
that.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
But to your point about you know, do you even look
at the comments, right?
If they are channels I control,then I will usually look at the
comments and I do believe thatthere's moderation tools there.
For a reason I don't kind ofsubscribe to the old school
mentality of like, oh, you cannever ban.
(20:46):
No, I feel like if I'm invitingyou into my house and you are
rude to me in my house or youare rude to other guests at my
party, aka my community, I'mgoing to kick you out of the
party.
I'm sorry You're no longerwelcome here because you have
behaved atrociously Right, and Ifeel like it is well within the
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rights of my party, my house,to ask you to leave forcefully
if need be.
Right.
But I do, like you said, a lotof work with brands where I'm
producing content for otherbrands or I'm guesting on other
brand channels where I do notcontrol the moderation tools
there, and when I do that I havelearned to just not look at the
(21:29):
comments.
That makes sense, and I've alsostopped working with certain
brands because I do not feellike they protect their talent.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
When there are brands that refuse to take out things
like and I'm, you know, triggerwarning for anyone but take out
things like rape threats, deaththreats.
If you're not willing tomoderate that stuff from your
community comment section, I amno longer willing to be
associated with your brand.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Good for you, but thank you.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
My mental health is more important than that and I
have many, many clients.
I'm very lucky to have many,many clients that want to work
with me, so I can be choosy.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I love that.
I love that you're taking astand there, because so many
people and you know, right,wrong or indifferent, you know
follow the money and sometimescompromise their own.
I don't want to say moralstandards, but we can say moral
standards.
I think it's really importantto understand a couple things
about content creation, becauseI even have friends that this
has happened to.
When you compromise enough, theaudience will figure it out and
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they'll stop supporting you.
And I know channels that havebasically killed their own
channel because they bent everyway.
The wind blew at any moment andthere was no authenticity there
and they started gettingcalling out and they could see
the red flag starting to fly,but they just ignored them and
now they don't have an audience.
And it's sad to see Like someof these people were really
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influential and then now, uh,yeah, it's, you can't.
You have to be authentic, likeyou were saying.
You have to to have your, yourmoral guidelines so that even
your community knows, so that,for example, what Trisha just
said before it's four is likewhen people come into our
community on Twitch chat,they'll know, because they'll be
self-moderated.
I love self-moderating.
You know our communityself-moderated.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Shout out to the community heroes.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Let's go and that creates a more positive
community.
If you allow these one-offs,then it.
I actually did a study.
I looked into a study on this.
Turns out the first negativecomment is usually the hardest
one for any average person tomake.
However, when they see one,it's much easier for them to
pile on.
They feel socially acceptable.
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So then the piling on happensvery fast.
If you can cut off the firstone, typically you won't see a
lot of the others.
Now, that's different thancritique, because that's
actually important.
Have you ever can you remembera time when you were critiqued
about something and were like oh, actually that's a good point,
let me work on that.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yes, there's actually many times, because my
education is in theater and it'sin the performative aspects of
being a creator and not so muchin the production aspects which
shout out to the YouTube space,because I took lighting and
filming and editing courses atthe YouTube space back in the
day before I went out on my ownto kind of do this full time.
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So I'm always asking my audienceto be critical of those things,
because it's helpful to me as acreator to make my content
better.
So when I do see I mean even ifthey're unkind about it when I
do see comments that are likeman, that audio is straight
trash, hey well.
I know now we're not using thatmicrophone anymore you know,
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whatever it is, so things thathelp me, or if people like
sometimes I'll say you know thisvideo I think was a little long
Is there a part of it that wasmore interesting or less
interesting to you than otherparts?
And checking your analytics tosee kind of where that drop off
is, I think all of that can besuper useful and to me the line
of something that's critical butuseful versus critical and just
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hurtful is can it make yourcontent better?
Because, like I remember um, itwas actually.
This was so interesting becauseit was someone that I think I
had mutual friends with that Ifound out on social media and I
was like interesting because itwas someone that I think I had
mutual friends with that I foundout on social media and I was
like this is wild, but it wasanother woman that just went out
of control in my comments abouthow obnoxious my voice sounds.
Okay, and this is clearly notsomething I can change.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
No, you're kind of stuck with it.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I think it's fine, by the way this is not a critical
and helpful comment.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Sure helpful comment.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Ma'am, you know I'm not going to give up my career
because you, as one commenter,don't like the sound of my voice
, so sorry.
But yeah, if it's somethingthat's critical that can
actually help my content getbetter, that's great.
If it's just you know peoplebeing critical just to I don't
know feel better aboutthemselves, or be an online
bully or whatever it is that'smotivating them.
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I don't pretend to know peoplebeing critical just to I don't
know, feel better aboutthemselves or be an online bully
or whatever it is that'smotivating them.
I don't pretend to know, thenthat's something that I can just
ignore.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I like that.
Let's dig more into thelifestyle of a full-timer.
What does your day look like?
Let's talk about today.
I mean, it's the most recentthing.
So what happened before thisinterview?
What's happening after?
Talk to us about what your daylooks like.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Okay, so my day is a little different every day, and
that's exactly how I like it.
So that's the part of being myown boss that I really enjoy.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
All right.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I try to work Monday through Friday traditional
office hours, as well as Sundays.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I go live on.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Sundays Okay, and so that's a six-day-a-week work
schedule, which is quite a lot,um, especially considering I
have a family.
I'm a parent and so work-lifebalance is very important.
But I try to take half daysfridays when I can, and limit
the amount of evening andweekend events that I leave the
house for um.
But today, for example, I wakeup and my son leaves for school
at 7 30 in the morning okay mywork day that's early, I'll get
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acup of coffee and I will sit
down at my computer and thefirst thing I do is go through
the onslaught of emails thathave come in since end of day
yesterday, which is a lot, andsome of these are brands
reaching out for potential brandcollaborations.
Some of these are event invites, some of these are ongoing
discussion with brands.
I've already partnered with um.
I do a lot of on-camera hostingwhere I am the talent hired for
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other brands' productions, sosome of them are audition
notices or offers for that kindof work.
It's a whole lot, but I sitdown and I do emails for
approximately the first halfhour to an hour of a day just to
kind of catch myself up.
Then this morning I had chatswith my editor, who is a lovely
human being who lives in Chicago.
I adore her, she works for mepart-time and she had some edits
(27:30):
ready for me to review.
So we just kind of discord,chatted back and forth about
some notes that I had on some ofthose edits, things that I'd
like to see differently and, youknow, just being like actual
people and how's your morningand that kind of stuff.
Because, again, I work withpeople that I enjoy working with
, because it makes my day fullof more smiles.
So after chatting with her fora bit, I had a meeting with a
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brand that I'm partnering withfrom 9.15 to 9.45.
And then at 10 o'clock I wentlive on Amazon Live to do some
shoppable video content.
And I two birds with one stoneto this one, because for a job I
have tomorrow I need all thistech unboxed.
So I did an unboxing stream, soI made content out of the work
I had to do anyway.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Love it.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
So I did a tech unboxing stream from 10 to
approximately 1040.
And here we are 11 amam andsome change chatting for this
podcast.
After we're done today, I'mgoing to get myself some lunch
and some water, becausehydrating is important, and then
I'm going to go live on Twitchfrom approximately one to four,
and then this evening is aspecial circumstance because I
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have a premiere in Los Angelesthat I need to then get myself
fancied up and get my booty too.
So it's going to be a long workday today, but that is an
example of you know what couldbe a typical day for me as a
content creator.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Wow, I love that.
That's amazing and it's alittle bit of everything.
You're doing all differenttypes of things today, so it's
not like it's one, like you'renot just playing a game for 17
hours and then editing.
That You're doing all types of,which I think makes your life
more fulfilling in that way, butthen also makes work more
fulfilling.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
We're gonna talk about it does it also, but again
, in this time of likealgorithmic media and you're
down to one thing, it makes thata lot harder.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Because people will say like I don't know.
Brands will say like hey, wenoticed, you haven't done a
phone review in a while.
And it's like yep, you're right.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
There's a reason.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I have not.
I've been busy with other work,so if you're expecting my
YouTube channel to be all phonereviews, that it is not, you're
definitely going to be waiting awhile.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, no, I feel that We'll talk about work-life
balance in a little bit, becauseI actually do want to dig in
and I think that's not talkedabout nearly enough.
But I look at like, even what?
If you're watching the YouTubevideo, you'll see this it looks
like you're wearing a Legend ofZelda thing on your neck, right.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Yes, I wear this Triforce necklace so much I
usually joke in the summer thatI'll probably have a tan mark.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
That would have been the next question, but no, I
think it really shows that youare not just doing this because
it's a job, like it's somethingyou enjoy.
So let me ask you the question,um, and because I remember when
I was in high school and I wasworking at little caesars, um,
they were like do you still eatpizza?
I'm like, hell yeah, because Ilove pizza.
So are you still playing videogames in your free time?
(30:21):
I mean, I don't even know thatyou have free time when you're
not streaming.
Do you even get a chance toplay games just for fun?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Um, I don't really have a lot of free time.
Uh, I do play video games withmy son.
He just turned eight.
Um, so sometimes in my freetime with him we'll play games,
but those are generally not thegames I would choose to play.
I think we just rolled creditson dog man for the Nintendo
switch.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Not the game I would choose to play in my off time,
but that's all right, all right,my husband and I are talking
about doing a dark urge run onBaldur's Gate 3.
Okay, and inevitably that wouldhave to happen, clearly after
my son goes to bed.
Seems that way, and there aremany days when I put my son to
bed and I have a 6 am call timethe next morning and I am going
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right to sleep.
There is no time to stay uplate playing Baldur's Gate 3 as
much as I would like to Wow.
So I think the times I game forfun are when I'm lucky enough to
travel for work and I have asix hour plus flight.
Everyone dreads long flights,not me.
I finally get a long time togame.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I love it.
What's the game you're waitingto play by yourself, not
streaming, where you have toanswer questions that you just
want to play, you want to diginto.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Oh my gosh, there are so many.
Right now I have the longestlist.
I did not get past thecharacter creator on Dragon Age,
the Veil Guard.
And I know it's gotten mixedreviews but I still want to
check it out.
I only got a few hours intoAvowed and I would love to play
through all of that.
Right Life is Strange, trueColors Split Fiction just came
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out and obviously that's atwo-player game.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
It's a co-op game, yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
You know, the list is just on and on, and on and on
and on of the games I would loveto finish.
It's a running joke with myTwitch chat that I start games
and never finish them.
Now, that being said, I justfinished a 200 plus hour first
run of baldur's gate 3.
It took me a year plus to do itbecause I only played while I
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was twitch streaming and I I doa lot with my twitch channel.
It's not just the same game allthe time.
I do an indie game showcase ingame show format every tuesday
when I Wednesday and Thursdaysare usually chats, choice
Sundays are a lot of like coffeechats and then gaming.
So I'm only really playingthese games in two to three hour
chunks at most a couple times aweek.
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And if I'm on set for a brandfilming or I'm doing like
sometimes I do news spots in themorning again, kind of the on
camera side of what I do thenthat has to take priority over
the streaming schedule.
So, yes, it took me over a yearfor my first run through of
Baldur's Gate 3, but I enjoyedit immensely.
I also finished Alan Wake AlanWake.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Oh, how was that?
What did you think?
Alan Wake, alan Wake, alan Wake, alan Wake.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Alan Wake, alan Wake, alan Wake.
And someday when I age too muchand I age out of the on-camera
side of all of this, I'm goingto go full-time like Skyrim
grandma and just play games, andthen I will actually be able to
complete games.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Finish games Regularly.
That's awesome, well cool.
Okay, so that's the kind ofgaming side of your life.
Let's talk about the work-lifebalance a little bit more, just
because I think it's superimportant.
So you have family, obviously,and that's typically a full-time
job in and of itself to be amom and a wife and all that
stuff.
Let's talk about the balance.
What does that look likegenerally speaking, and is there
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something you wish could bedifferent?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
So I've gone through many different phases of what it
looks like.
When I first started contentcreation, I was young and single
and could really work aroundthe clock, and because I loved
what I did, it was very easy towork around the clock.
However, from a mental healthstandpoint, I found myself in a
position where I didn't evenknow what I wanted to do in my
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free time anymore.
I didn't have free time.
I started kind of losing alittle bit of that and I was
realizing there was no self-careand and so I kind of struggled
with that when I was single.
And then, once I married myhusband, then all of a sudden,
you know, I needed to spend timewith him, I needed to nurture
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that relationship.
So there was time that wasneeded to take away from work
for that, which actually wasvery healthy for me, because I
needed a real thing to help meprioritize.
And then, especially when I hadmy son, that was the biggest
adjustment, because now there isa human dependent on me for his
livelihood and he does not careif that YouTube video got out
(34:43):
on time, you know.
And so when I had my son,youtube was actually the part of
my content creation journeythat took the biggest backseat
and I think I didn't post to myYouTube channel for like nine or
ten months.
It just totally went away.
And again, because you now haveother priorities that you need
to factor in, there's only 24hours in a day and only seven
(35:04):
days in a week, so you do thebest you can and I thought you
know what.
I can probably post a photoevery now and then to Instagram.
I love Twitch streaming, like ifI have to prioritize the
platform that I enjoy creatingfor the most, it's going to be
that, and so I kept once a weekTwitch streams and I just looked
(35:24):
at what I could realisticallydo and still not feel like I was
letting my family down in anyway.
And then fast forward to thepandemic.
My husband was working fulltime before that at an office
job and I was trying to do thestay at home parent with a
toddler but also keep up mycontent creation, which was a
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bit of a hot mess.
Then everyone got stuck at home, right, and so then we had no
childcare help.
Because, before that we weredoing kind of like part-time
childcare on a flex basis as Ineeded it, and then we had no
childcare at all.
So every morning my husband andI had to sit down and say okay
well, I have an 11 o'clock.
Okay, well, I have an 11o'clock.
Okay, well, I have an 11o'clock.
(36:08):
Who's 11 o'clock?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
is more important because he's three.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
We can't just leave him for 45 minutes because mommy
and daddy both have zoommeetings.
Like that's not realistic.
Um, and so the decision weended up making for our family
uh, which is going to bedifferent for every family is
that my husband said look, Ihate my job and you love your
job.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
And if one of us is going to take a step back, I
think it should be me.
And again, a global pandemic issomething that hopefully only
happens once every century or so.
So it was definitely direcircumstances, but he at that
time did take a step back fromhis career and his job that he
did not like anyway.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Oh, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
And since then he has been, he has taken on the role
of the stay-at-home parent,which has enabled me to have
these days like I describedtoday, where I'm working from
7.30 am until the end of thispremiere, which is probably
going to be at 9.30 pm tonight.
So today is an extraordinarilylong day.
Or tomorrow I'm hosting, uh, alive stream for amazon and my
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production time, uh, my calltime, is 6 00 am that wouldn't
enable me to do a schooldrop-off in the morning if I was
still responsible for that.
So the fact that my husband isavailable to do those things is
very helpful to me at this stagein my career.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Amazing.
So the answer for everyone isget married if you are not,
otherwise, it's never going tohappen for you.
No, I'm just kidding.
That's great.
That's really awesome that youfigured that part out, and it's
definitely something that I love.
You talked almost in thenegotiation that you had with
your husband to figure out like,okay, well, we got to make a
choice here.
I mean, hopefully, most peoplewon't have to make a choice like
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that, but there are things thata lot of content creators don't
think about when they thinkabout going full-time.
Again, we've said this before.
It sounds like it's all great,but it's not.
What's maybe the one thing thata content creator is not
thinking about right now thatyou're like oh, this is the
thing you need to know aboutbecause you're not going to like
this.
What's the one thing I like tosay?
Speaker 3 (38:11):
it's like health insurance or something like that
Health insurance is a hard oneLet me tell you, for my family
of three, Our health insurancecosts us almost $30,000 a year.
Oh my God.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
I'm about to faint.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Yep, that's something , realistically, if no one in
your household is working for acorporation that provides
healthcare, that's real.
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot ofthat kind of administrative end
of it that I think is reallyhard for a lot of creators, and
I, you know, I feel like everycreator I know that's full-time
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structures their day and theirworkflow slightly differently.
My hat's off to the creatorsthat are live eight hours a day
and then take care of theirnegotiations and emails and
bookkeeping and all of that Inaddition to that.
I'm thinking you must be working12 hour days every day or they
found a really good team andhave a really good team in place
that takes care of a lot of theadministrative for them.
(39:09):
I don't have that.
The only person that's kind ofregular on my team is the
part-time editing help that Iget Shout out Jen.
She's amazing, but Jen isreally the only person on my
team and she's part-time on myteam.
And then I do have a talentmanager that helps me with
negotiating contracts, but Istill like to do most of the
(39:30):
negotiation myself and then Ihand him off for the fine print.
But I'll take care of the majordeal points, because otherwise
he'll just call me and say whatdo you want out of this deal?
Like what is this okay with you?
And so just to minimize themiddleman back and forth.
I take care of the major dealpoints, but yeah, it's a lot of
(39:51):
the behind the scenes work thatgoes into orchestrating that.
It makes me so sad in my heartwhen I hear people say things
like oh, then there's theseinfluencers that just get paid
all this money for a picture andI just want to say would you
say the same thing about amarketing agency that made a
picture for a billboard?
no, you would not.
No, thank you, um, and I canshow you the 100 plus emails I
(40:14):
have back and forth with theentire team, the marketing team,
the legal team, like I alwaysjust I don't say it out loud
because I feel like don't saysomething.
Nice, you know say it here,though you can say it but in my
head all I can think is oh, yourignorance is showing yeah, oh
it's, it's, it's bright big timelike I don't go to my mechanic
and pretend I know what hiswhole work day is like.
(40:36):
I don't know what his whole workday is like.
So I do find it very insultingwhen people assume that they
know what a content creator'sday or workflow looks like,
especially, again, becauseeveryone I know that does it
full time has structured theirbusiness so differently.
And what I would say to the newcreators is play to your
strengths.
If there's something, ifthere's a part of the process
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you know in particular, you'revery good at and you enjoy,
prioritize that.
And if you are in a place whenyou can outsource, outsource the
part that you feel like maybeyou're not as good at or not
very efficient at.
For me, I can edit.
I'm not a very efficient editor, right, um?
And honestly, I was just sayingthis to a friend on set
yesterday who is really great atspecial effects.
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If I am working with a brandthat is, you know, the budget's
high enough for me to pay myfriends, I'm gonna pay my
friends, especially my friendsthat are much better at editing
or vfx or whatever it is thatthey do.
You know I, I want to do thatI'm happy to have a good team.
(41:42):
I think that is going to yield abetter result.
The brand's going to be happier, like I totally make it happen.
Outsource the stuff that youdon't feel as good at, because
that's the stuff that will dragyou down and cause the most
burnout is the stuff you don'tlike doing.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I love that you said that, cause we've actually said
that on podcast, and love tohear other people say it on.
Uh, hear other people say itunprompted, so that it gives
more validity to the fact I'vebeen saying this for a while.
Yes, yes, yes, whenever you can.
Now it might not happen for awhile, but trust me when I tell
you as soon as you can, thebenefits typically outweigh the
cost paid.
So just two more things.
They're kind of the samequestion, but it's more of an
(42:18):
experience.
I'm always curious about thissort of thing.
We're going to start the theweird one first, like what's the
weirdest slash?
Maybe most uncomfortable,awkward situations happen with a
viewer in person that you'veexperienced, or have you had one
of those weird kind of like oh,what is going on right now?
Speaker 3 (42:33):
you had anything like that I have um and I don't.
I don't know if you're leaningmore towards like, uh, like
scary you tell me, you tell me,it's your experience um, I, I, I
guess a kind of light andfluffy one.
That was more just kind ofsilly and awkward.
(42:53):
Uh was, I think I had someone,and this has happened a few
times.
But whenever someone sees me atan event but doesn't actually
stop and say, say hi, and thenthey'll like tweet me later
later I saw you blah, blah, blahearlier today and I'm like now
it feels weird.
Now it feels weird, yeah, yeahif you had just said hi in the
moment, it would have beentotally cool yeah, exactly now I
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feel like someone's watching meand that's strange.
Um so that.
But then there's also always,you know, sometimes you'll have
people that cross the line howdo you deal that?
Try to figure out yourresidence or something like that
, and that's never cool.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
How do you deal with that?
What do you do?
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Um, I mean, if it's bad enough, you get your local
authorities involved.
Um, if you need to, and justkind of contact your local
authorities and let them know,like, hey, this is who I am, am,
this is what I do for a living.
I know it's really strange, uh,but you know, especially for
folks that play video games,like, should you ever get a
swatting?
Speaker 1 (43:51):
like right from this residence right.
This is probably understand thecircumstance.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Um, or I had a while where, um, I joke around with
friends about this, wheresomeone kind of the lighter
version of that, but still the Iknow where you live ping, where
people will send things to yourhouse instead of your PO box or
publicly available address.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
And it's like ooh, don't like that.
No, thank you.
Yeah, please don't do that andyou kind of feel it out right,
like sometimes there will be, orlike if there's I don't even
talk to my mother that much Okay.
(44:32):
And I think you feel it outright, like if it's, if you can
say like hey really appreciatethe support of my content.
At this point in my life, Ihave a hard enough time
maintaining the friendships Ialready have and I'm not looking
to add to that.
Right, these are the ways thatit's appropriate to communicate
with me moving forward.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
So you're saying, for sure, we can't be friends after
this.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
I understand we need to kind of draw a line in the
sand, yeah, and, like I said,then there's other times when
you might need to go as far ascontacting the authorities.
But every situation isdifferent and I try to deal with
it differently.
But I mean in general I'm sureon this podcast you've had
people talk about it all thetime, but it's so important to
keep privacy in mind- yes.
And make sure that you useservices that scrub your
(45:14):
information off everything anddo everything you can to kind of
put as many layers ofprotection between your private
information and what you makepublic.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
And the thing is, you don't even have to be a big
creator to take that intoconsideration.
I use Delete Me, I use DeleteMe, but regardless, if you even
use a service, like even just inyour, I always tell creators in
your blocked words, put yourphone number, your address, and
if you don't tell your real name, put all those things in there
so they get automaticallyblocked.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
That's great advice, yeah.
Finally tell us one of the mostheartfelt, most hits you in the
heart feels thing that a viewerhas ever said to you or done
for you or anything.
Okay, I'm gonna step away frommy chair for just one moment to
grab it, okay for those of youwatching the video version okay,
it's a physical that she's.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
She literally just left her seat.
I've made the guest leave.
It's amazing, I've done itfinally.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
All right, here it comes I didn't know you were
going to ask this question, butsince since you did so, I
recently celebrated my 10-yearTwitch partnerversary
Congratulations and my communitymade me this book.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Now it says 10 years and it has our sub logo on the
front and every page is awritten notice from a community
member of the time they've metme in real life or the moment on
stream that meant so much tothem.
Oh my gosh, it's amazing.
It's amazing and it's you knowthis beautifully like very long
(46:43):
book wow, that's incredible thatthey all organized without me
knowing and in order to keepprivacy.
Since we were just talking aboutit, they had contacted my
editor in Chicago and said canwe send the book to you?
And then you send it to her sothat she gets it.
But like pictures with.
This is a picture with one ofmy viewers at a Halo event way
(47:08):
back in the day.
It's just.
It's so lovely and so heartfeltand, like my emotes and some of
them that have designed emotesor just drew little pictures, or
it's just amazing.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
It's just amazing.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
I mean as much as we talk about how the internet can
kind of sometimes bring out theworst in people.
I think it also is just atremendous tool for bringing
people together that never wouldhave found each other otherwise
, and bringing really specialcommunities and friendships
together.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
I love how you're looking at it lovingly.
It's so amazing.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
Yeah.
I love it so much, I love mycommunity so much, which again
is taking it all the way back towhat we were talking about
earlier.
It's why algorithmic media kindof breaks my heart a little bit
.
Yeah, yeah, I can see whybecause to me, the special part
of this I mean, I did not have alot of friends growing up.
I was the weird, nerdy kid thatgot picked on, and so a big
part of my content creationprocess is finding my people-
(48:09):
right and so a big part of why Istill do this for a living is
to to hang out with my people.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
But I love it.
That's fantastic.
What just tell me real quick inyour, in your heart, as you're
reading it?
Cause I can see you lookingthrough it, I can see it kind of
in your face, but people whoare listening what are the
thoughts and feelings goingthrough your mind as you look
through these pages?
Is there something that kind ofit comes to the forefront?
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Um, just, people were even remembering small things
that I don't remember and thenI'm reading them and going oh
yeah, that is so fun, just likea little trip down memory lane
and realizing you know like howmuch meeting people in person
means to them.
And little letters, like someof these community members I
have been pen pals with now forlike 10 plus years.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
That's insane.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
You know I might not have time to write back often,
but I write back as often as Ican and they've helped me
through hard times or likepeople that started watching my
content in a different phase oftheir life, and now they watch
my content with their children.
Wow my content with theirchildren, and so you know,
(49:16):
getting to for me, getting to bea fly on the wall for all of
those awesome moments for themand their lives, like it's just.
It's really awesome.
And to see everybody else'screativity come together and
share things they're passionateabout that again, we were
probably all picked on at somepoint for sharing our passion
about it, that it's nowsomething we can celebrate
together.
I just think it's a really,it's a really lovely thing and
(49:37):
it makes me so happy.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Well, that is a great place to end this, because I
always thought of you as a verypositive creator and I think
ending on a positive note likethat is amazing.
So what's the what's the nextthing?
Of course people can find youjust by googling your name.
But like what's the next thing?
Of course people can find justby googling your name.
But like what's the nextproject you're doing that you
want people to tune in for?
Speaker 3 (49:55):
or something of interest.
Oh my goodness, um, I alwayshave about seven or eight
different plates spinning at atime which, if you are going
full-time content creation, Ihighly recommend, because any of
those plates could comecrashing.
That's true at any time.
Everyone's like what are yougonna do if tick tock goes away?
I'm like I don't know.
That's like one of the tenplates.
I'm not super worried about itbecause I've got these nine
other plates, um, so you know,keep all your plates spinning.
(50:18):
So, that being said, it's hardto pick just one project I'm
working on right now.
I would say if you want to findme, you can, of course, find me
at youtuber, twitch, slash,trisha hershberger, um, and on
the other socials I'm that girl,trish, with no I in the girl.
So it's just thatgrltrish.
Fun fact that's because thatgirl Trish, spelled correctly,
was taken, so it's justthatgrltrish.
(50:40):
But if you like tech content,if you like gaming content, both
tabletop and of the video gamevariety, if you like just kind
of geeking out about fun fandomstuff or toys and collectibles,
then you will probably likesomething that I share somewhere
along the way.
Or just in general, if you needan internet friend-o to spread
(51:01):
some wholesome positivity.
I try to be that for people aswell.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
That's amazing.
Well, thank you so much forjoining us.
Everyone you know listen.
If you go and check outTrisha's content, tell her that
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We really appreciate you takingyour time out of your really
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Really, to be honest, this isthe best podcast.
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, welcome back to the only podcast.
That's never the same twoepisodes in a row.
And I'm Travis, of course, asalways, but this time Jen isn't
with me.
She's on her way into a secretthing that's going to happen in
the next episode.
Y'all are going to want to staytuned for that, but I am joined
by an amazing creator.
I'm super excited to haveTrisha Hershberger here.
How are you doing today, Trisha?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
You know what, travis , I'm doing better now that I
get to be here chatting with you.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Thank you for having me.
We're going to have so much funtoday.
We're going to talk about allthe things, but if you are the
first time listener or viewer,we welcome you, as we like to
talk a lot about YouTuber-ythings, sometimes growing your
channel.
Sometimes we talk to full-timecreators, which is what we're
going to do today talking about,like, what that lifestyle is
like.
We do all the things.
So, if you're new here, hitsubscribe.
If you're on YouTube, and ifyou're on YouTube and if you're
listening to audio podcasts,just grab some popcorn, sit back
, relax.
We're about to tickle your earswith a bunch of fun stories.
(01:09):
Just let's start off with thething that I'm super happy to
start off with, because Jenisn't here.
She can't, she can't mess thisup, so this is an undercover
candy podcast as well, sosometimes we talk about candy
here.
Okay, all right, and there's acontroversy here.
There's two teams.
I'm not going to bias you ineither way.
I just want you to know whatthe teams are and then I just
need you to vote for one.
That's all it is.
(01:29):
It's all it is.
There is only one right answer,but I'm not going to tell you
which one it is.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
No pressure.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
All right, One of us on this on this show loves candy
corn and the other lovesCadbury cream eggs.
Now I just need to be clear.
You can only choose one.
If you had to, which would youchoose?
Which team are you on?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
If I had to choose one, I would choose candy corn.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
All right, that's the end of that episode.
Ladies and gentlemen, thank youfor joining us.
Jen is going to kill.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Cadbury cream eggs thing for me as a consistency.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
That's what she says.
That's exactly what Jen says.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Terrible.
I can't wait to surprise herwith a Cadbury egg later today.
She doesn't even know.
All right, anyway, now thatwe're past that I know some
people are cheering in thecomment section Trisha, tell us
a little bit about yourself,like what's your background?
You've been around for a longtime.
I know a lot about you becauseI've come across you on the
interwebs many times.
But for people who don't know,give us a little bit of your
background.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Sure.
Well, my name is TrishaHershberger and I have been
fortunate enough to be afull-time content creator now
for gosh probably 12 or 13 yearsI kind of lost count somewhere
after 10.
But my background just in short.
I got my degree in theater, instage theater, and moved out to
(02:50):
Los Angeles to pursue anentertainment career but did not
have all the wonderful nepotismcontacts that so many people
have, and so found myself doingit on my own and auditioning for
everything I possibly could.
That, you know, wasn't askingme to do something that I felt
in my soul was horribly wrong.
And eventually I kind of trippedand fell into YouTube and
(03:12):
discovered this world where youcan talk about things that
you're passionate about and youcan make really fun content and,
if you are able to gather anaudience, thus a career makes.
And so that was back in like2011 or 2012.
And of course, now I'm presenton all the different platforms,
(03:33):
but I mainly talk about thingsthat I love.
So technology, video games,tabletop games and kind of
fandom entertainment, so thatwhen I say that that's spanning,
like sci-fi, fantasy, comicbook stuff, and back in the day
we used to call it like geekthemed content.
But you can't really say thatnow, because that stuff is all
(03:53):
the super popular content.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
But I feel like if you say pop culture, people
think you mean the Kardashians.
And so we're in this weirdplace that it's kind of hard to
quantify.
But yeah, I consider myselfvery fortunate that I get to
talk about things I'm passionateabout for a living.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
That feels like very dreamy, because a lot of times
we talk about on YouTube,especially if you want to grow
immediately, is to niche down.
But you have, the niche thatyou're in is a niche.
It is like geekdom or whateveryou want to call it, so it is
technically a niche.
However, it spans so manythings.
I've seen you talk about videogames, literally computers, like
(04:28):
all the things you've talkedabout.
I've literally seen you do allthis stuff and uh, as a growth
strategy on youtube by itself,especially when you're first
starting out, probably not athing you could do anymore, but
there is an instant and I'd loveto hear when that moment seemed
to switch, if there was amoment that switched for you,
where it's like I actually canmake a living doing just
everything I'm passionate about,rather than just this one
little thing that just, yeah, Ilike it, but I'd want to talk
(04:49):
about these other things too.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, it's.
It was interesting for mebecause I had a different start.
I feel like to most people inthe YouTube scene when I say I
tripped and fell into YouTube.
I went to an audition in LosAngeles that said online news
host and I was like, yeah, Idon't have a broadcast
journalism degree, but whatever,let's go for it.
Right, and I went in to thisaudition and, um, I read my news
(05:14):
stories that I prepared onindex cards and that was fine.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It was fine.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Um.
And then they kind of said ohwell, do you play video games?
Do you like books?
What do you read?
Are you into tech at all?
And I remember leaving thataudition and thinking I don't
know what that was actually for,but I think I nailed it.
I think, I was what they werelooking for and I ended up
getting called in and it was towork for a brand new YouTube
channel being launched by PhilipDeFranco, who is still
(05:40):
obviously a major player in thespace, does really great work
still obviously a major playerin the space, does really great
work and so I ended up beingcast as talent on an ensemble
YouTube channel Okay, and sothat was where I first really
kind of learned the ropes ofYouTube.
But it was a little interestingbecause back then you could
still be this more broad type ofchannel.
(06:01):
I mean, at one point we werekind of pitching a content
strategy that was like videogame Mondays, anime Tuesdays,
wacky tech Wednesdays, like itwas really spanning a lot of
different content categories.
And nowadays you're right,travis, you can't really do that
Like.
Nowadays the algorithms reallywant you to niche down.
But I think because I startedmy content creator journey so
(06:22):
broad, I've really stuck to that.
Um, really, it's kind of mebucking the algorithm a little
bit, uh, if I can.
But I feel like if you're goingto have longevity as a creator,
you can't just do one thing allthe time.
You'll get so sick of it,you'll run out of content ideas,
you'll be creatively lessfulfilled.
That's my take on it at least,and I know a lot of creators
(06:42):
that nowadays work around thatby having multiple channels and
different channels to do yourdifferent types of content.
I still primarily workproducing content, like I was
then as talent for someoneelse's channel.
I still produce a lot ofcontent for other channels and
specifically other brands,channels in addition to my own.
So that kind of helps with thecreative need to want to spread
(07:06):
your wings a bit more and covermore types of things.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, we had Justin Moore on a couple weeks ago and
he talked a lot about branddeals and stuff and you work
with a lot of brands.
It also feels like you'vebranded yourself.
So when we talk about niche,you do talk about the geekdom
niche, but in a lot of ways youare kind of the the niche, the
brand that people are connectingwith.
So it while it's cool to hearyou talk about star wars or
(07:29):
whatever they come for, yourtake specifically because, as
you've said, you know youstarted from the get-go kind of
wide and just kind of kept it,so that became a brand in and of
itself.
How do you do that?
If you were to tell someone, um, you know all the mistakes you
made along the way and then allthe things you've learned along
the way, what would you tell anew person who wants to try?
I know it's hard now, but ifyou knew then what you know now,
(07:51):
what would you say?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I would say don't feel the pressure to fake it
Like.
If there's something that youthink like, oh I should really
know more about this oneparticular thing than you do,
like for me, kind of my.
So I make, I make you knowfandom content, right, but one
of my big nerd blind spots isanime and I remember very early
(08:14):
in my career thinking I need tooh, I need to pretend I know
everything about anime and I'mgoing to do a crash course and
watch all this stuff.
And you know, try to be able,like I need to be the expert on
everything.
And I would say you don't needto be the expert on everything.
Branch out to the things thatyou're really passionate about,
because that's what you're goingto be able to create content
the most easily about.
(08:35):
And I think, especially early inyour creative career, you want
to focus on things that you cannaturally pump out content fast
and easy, because for a longtime you're shouting to an empty
room while you're building thataudience, there's not a lot of
people watching.
You're probably not gettingpaid for it, unless you figured
(08:56):
out some hack that the rest ofus don't know.
So it has to be something that,in addition to whatever your
day job for money is, you havefun doing.
So.
If you don't have fun talkingabout that specific content type
, I would shy away from that andjust be comfortable in who you
are and just say like you knowwhat.
That's not something I know alot about and that's okay.
(09:18):
I don't feel the need to beperfect at everything.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I love that.
That's such great advicebecause I think there is that
pressure that creators put onthemselves we talk to when we
have people email in.
We have a lot of people who arestarting out, just starting out
, and they'll see someone likeyou who's been doing it for a
while.
It makes it look easy.
Let's just, let's just put itout there, you make it look easy
, very kind of you to say it youmake.
so this is the thing.
Like I'm really good at off thecuff stuff, like I can.
(09:43):
I can do unscripted stuff allday long and make it look good.
I swear to beans, if you put ascript in front of me, I'm a
bumbling idiot.
I can't read any of it.
I can't remember what I'msupposed to say.
Now, I can't do it.
The skills are not all the same, right.
So when you're, when you're thatgood at it and it makes it look
easy that you have creatorscome in and like, oh, that's,
that's easy, I can do that.
And then he tried to do it andit's like, oh, my gosh, that was
(10:03):
, that's a lot harder.
I don't understand why they'renot getting these views.
Why am I not getting all thesebrands reaching out to me?
But speaking of brands, I dokind of want to understand, like
, what is the current workflowfor you when a brand comes in?
So recently, like I said, twoepisodes ago I think it was two
we had Justin here and he talkeda lot about the kind of
negotiations and stuff.
But I'm curious from thecreator side itself, because
(10:25):
he's like a coach for creatorsto get brands.
But you're the actual creatorand you have the company and you
now are.
The brands are coming to you.
Talk us through.
You don't have to give usnumbers, but like talk us
through what that process lookslike and what you keep in mind
whenever you're negotiating.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
So the first thing that I think about when a brand
comes to me is is this a brandfit?
Is this something I wouldcreate content on, regardless of
if there was any brandaffiliation Like, would I just
like to make this content?
And if the answer is no, thenusually it's a polite decline
right there to save everybodytime.
If the answer is, oh, heck,yeah, I've been wanting to do
(11:06):
this one for a while, then I'llrespond and see if I can kind of
open the door to a negotiation.
I think it gets a little trickywhen the answer is I don't know
, maybe, because then it'sreally an inquiry for more
information.
Do you have other product videos?
Would you be comfortablesending me a sample to check out
before we agree to apartnership?
I'm happy to send you you thesample back, but you know I
(11:27):
don't want to endorse somethingthat I don't actually believe in
, um.
So I think the first step ofthat is do I actually like and
would I actually use thisproduct?
Um, and so once you've kind ofgotten past that hurdle, then
the second hurdle for me is do Ithink this marketing agency or
brand or whoever's doingoutreach seems reasonable to
(11:48):
work with?
Because sometimes I love theproduct and the marketing agency
is a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
And if I feel like this whole brand deal is going
to be 100 plus emails back andforth, which I'm not
exaggerating- I believe you Someof them really are.
Yeah, I believe you and theywant to micromanage every step
of my creative process.
It's simply not worth it to me.
No amount that they're going topay me, it will compensate me
(12:14):
for the amount of time andstress that that brand deal will
take, Even if I love theproduct right, yeah.
Like, sometimes that's just thereality of it.
I'm like, look, I'd rather buyyour product myself and make a
video on it just for me, and notdeal with your nightmare.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Literally have done that, literally have done that.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yes, yes, exactly.
So, yeah, is it a brand fit?
Do I actually like it?
Step one.
Step two do I think thesepeople are people I want to work
with for the next month or two,because sometimes brand deals
can span month, two months I'veeven done some that are three or
four months and just like youhave to like being in an office
with someone, like, is thissomeone I want in my inbox all
the time.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Once you've gotten over those two hurdles, then
I'll get to the point where I'llsay, ok, here's what I think I
could produce your content forand, realistically, let me know
which distribution platformsyou're looking for.
I'll put together a package foryou.
And usually I put togetherthree different packages, like
kind of the budget tier, the midrange and the premium package,
(13:14):
and see what they're comfortablemoving forward with.
We'll get some kind ofcontractor agreement in place
and then we'll begin theproduction process and the
post-production process and thenthere's usually one or two
rounds of revisions that I offerthe brand at that point before
we decide on a posting date.
Now that's kind of the you knowoverall broad steps of it.
(13:37):
But there are, like I said,there's some brands that they
want you to do everything theirway and you know it changes
based on who it is.
They want you to do everythingtheir way and you know it
changes based on who it is.
But generally if a brand or amarketing agency is very
collaborative when they worktogether, then that's someone
I'd like to work with again inthe future.
So it's funny Sometimes themarketing agency I know they're
a great marketing agency to workwith and they'll come to me
(13:59):
with a brand I may not haveconsidered before, but because
they're so lovely to work withand they're open to my creative
ideas, then we can maybe make ithappen.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, I've had that same situation where I'm like I
really don't, I'm ambivalent,but then I've worked with the
yeah, exactly that.
And then it's like okay, fine,fine, it's fine, I'll do it,
let's.
Let's talk a little bit aboutthe industry that you're in and
I just I have to ask, becauseoriginally this was going to be
like more you and Jen talkingabout women in creation, and I
(14:29):
think there's there needs to bea lot more talked about women
creators, because I think youguys have unique obstacles that
a lot of guys don't.
So I want to talk specificallyabout that for you.
Because you're in amale-dominated niche, let's just
call it for what it is.
Because you're in amale-dominated niche, let's just
call it for what it is andyou're a female in it.
Now, that could be an advantageor a disadvantage, and I would
love to hear which you think itis.
(14:51):
Is it an advantage because youhave a unique voice amongst all
the other guys, or is it adisadvantage?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
because literally it's the guys club and you have
to try to fit in.
I don't think it's a one or theother issue.
I think, it's a little of columnA and a little of column B, for
exactly the reasons you said.
Right, you're naturally goingto stand out as something
different, for better or forworse.
There are some people that arelooking specifically for
different and there's somepeople that are very adverse to
different, and I think a lot ofpeople naturally, not even
(15:22):
maliciously.
Of course there's somemalicious people out there, but
everybody has trolls, right Ofcourse.
But I think that a lot ofpeople, not intended,
maliciously, think that's notwhat I was expecting to see.
Something must be wrong here,just in their subconscious
Interesting, age or apersonality type, whatever it is
(15:42):
, that's other than what theywere expecting to see.
I do feel like people try tofigure out what's wrong here,
and in the what's wrong here iswhen you start to see the
questioning of like this persondoesn't actually know what
they're talking about or theywere just hired for reasons X, y
and Z, or like people are a lotmore critical when something is
(16:03):
not what they expected to see,which I think is a very natural
human response.
And so I think, in a lot ofways, if you are other than what
people are expecting to see,you have more work to do in
order to prove yourself, whichwas very present early on in my
career.
Like I said, you know a lot ofthat pressure I felt like I have
to be an expert at everything.
I think was in part a responseto that, because I knew that
(16:25):
everyone's first impression wasthat somehow I was being
inauthentic, which I had onlyeven gotten the job like nerding
out about things that Iactually liked.
So it was really like as someonethat was trained in acting.
This was the most authentic Ihad ever been.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
The irony.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
To talk about books I like and movies I like and
games I like.
And so it was, you know, a bitof a trial by fire period for me
as a creator and as a performerto encounter that so early.
And then I was very lucky inthat I had built up a community
that even if someone new hadcome in, someone else in the
(17:03):
community would say, oh, youclearly haven't seen the past
five years of her work.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Right right.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
But now, with the change from social media to
algorithmic media, that problemis present all over again.
Interesting All the time and Ireally feel for creators that
are coming up right now.
It's part of the reason that,as a creator, I kind of shy away
from tick tock and a lot ofshort form video interesting
(17:29):
because every video is beingshown to not my community, and
so with every release I amencountering all over again wow
this stupid woman doesn't knowanything about X, y and Z.
all over again.
It feels like the first year ofmy career.
It feels like 13 years ago allover again with every video
(17:53):
release and it's honestly, froma mental health perspective it
is just exhausting.
So hats off to the creatorsthat do algorithmic media.
All the time I yearn for thedays where it's your followers
in the community you've built upthat see your content.
It's part of the reason thatnow I am so much more active on
(18:16):
Twitch, because my Twitchsubscribers get the notification
that I'm live and the majorityof my community that I hang out
with there is my community.
It's not just being shown towhoever the algorithm and feels
like on that day, but it's adifferent landscape now than it
used to be in terms of how youmight build up a community right
(18:38):
.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
That's such a really interesting take on that I had
never really I had heardrecently cause I don't really
dabble in short form that shortform audiences tend to be more
quote toxic than than otherforms I had.
But I didn't consider, in whatyou were just describing, what
that would be like if you're.
You know, you're constantly Imean for the most part, on
(18:59):
youtube you're always beingshown to a new audience.
But to your point, uh, twitch,the.
The plus about Twitch is thatyou generally can make a
community and they kind of stickwith you and it's that thing.
The minus is thediscoverability isn't quite as
good as YouTube, but the minusfrom the discoverability point
is literally what you justdescribed.
So it's very interesting.
I love how you put that.
So was there a point, or isthere a point, where you just
(19:23):
stopped looking at commentsother than Twitch?
Okay, so let's talk about theline.
I mean, I think one.
It's funny.
We got a comment today on one ofthe old podcasts talking about
the, the negative parts of goingfull time.
So we can actually talk aboutthat here, because everyone
always talks to positives.
Oh, you got, you know, you'reyour own boss, blah, blah, blah.
By the way, you're your ownboss is also your negative.
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Uh, it's not just your positive, it's also your negative.
Um, but I would love to hearabout these things like what are
the things that you didn't know?
Or, or a lot of new creatorsdon't know, that are the not so
great things about goingfull-time, because there are
some not so great things aboutgoing full-time, which can
include privacy, by the way Iwant you to talk about.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Sure, whether you are full-time or even a part-time
creator, you have to deal withthe comments, the positive, the
negative and everything inbetween.
Sometimes they're just strange,sometimes they don't make any
sense and can leave youscratching your head for days,
like there's always that onecomment that'll just get under
your skin, yeah, and you're likewhat, what even was?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
that.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
But to your point about you know, do you even look
at the comments, right?
If they are channels I control,then I will usually look at the
comments and I do believe thatthere's moderation tools there.
For a reason I don't kind ofsubscribe to the old school
mentality of like, oh, you cannever ban.
(20:46):
No, I feel like if I'm invitingyou into my house and you are
rude to me in my house or youare rude to other guests at my
party, aka my community, I'mgoing to kick you out of the
party.
I'm sorry You're no longerwelcome here because you have
behaved atrociously Right, and Ifeel like it is well within the
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rights of my party, my house,to ask you to leave forcefully
if need be.
Right.
But I do, like you said, a lotof work with brands where I'm
producing content for otherbrands or I'm guesting on other
brand channels where I do notcontrol the moderation tools
there, and when I do that I havelearned to just not look at the
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comments.
That makes sense, and I've alsostopped working with certain
brands because I do not feellike they protect their talent.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
When there are brands that refuse to take out things
like and I'm, you know, triggerwarning for anyone but take out
things like rape threats, deaththreats.
If you're not willing tomoderate that stuff from your
community comment section, I amno longer willing to be
associated with your brand.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Good for you, but thank you.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
My mental health is more important than that and I
have many, many clients.
I'm very lucky to have many,many clients that want to work
with me, so I can be choosy.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I love that.
I love that you're taking astand there, because so many
people and you know, right,wrong or indifferent, you know
follow the money and sometimescompromise their own.
I don't want to say moralstandards, but we can say moral
standards.
I think it's really importantto understand a couple things
about content creation, becauseI even have friends that this
has happened to.
When you compromise enough, theaudience will figure it out and
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they'll stop supporting you.
And I know channels that havebasically killed their own
channel because they bent everyway.
The wind blew at any moment andthere was no authenticity there
and they started gettingcalling out and they could see
the red flag starting to fly,but they just ignored them and
now they don't have an audience.
And it's sad to see Like someof these people were really
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influential and then now, uh,yeah, it's, you can't.
You have to be authentic, likeyou were saying.
You have to to have your, yourmoral guidelines so that even
your community knows, so that,for example, what Trisha just
said before it's four is likewhen people come into our
community on Twitch chat,they'll know, because they'll be
self-moderated.
I love self-moderating.
You know our communityself-moderated.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Shout out to the community heroes.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Let's go and that creates a more positive
community.
If you allow these one-offs,then it.
I actually did a study.
I looked into a study on this.
Turns out the first negativecomment is usually the hardest
one for any average person tomake.
However, when they see one,it's much easier for them to
pile on.
They feel socially acceptable.
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So then the piling on happensvery fast.
If you can cut off the firstone, typically you won't see a
lot of the others.
Now, that's different thancritique, because that's
actually important.
Have you ever can you remembera time when you were critiqued
about something and were like oh, actually that's a good point,
let me work on that.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yes, there's actually many times, because my
education is in theater and it'sin the performative aspects of
being a creator and not so muchin the production aspects which
shout out to the YouTube space,because I took lighting and
filming and editing courses atthe YouTube space back in the
day before I went out on my ownto kind of do this full time.
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So I'm always asking my audienceto be critical of those things,
because it's helpful to me as acreator to make my content
better.
So when I do see I mean even ifthey're unkind about it when I
do see comments that are likeman, that audio is straight
trash, hey well.
I know now we're not using thatmicrophone anymore you know,
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whatever it is, so things thathelp me, or if people like
sometimes I'll say you know thisvideo I think was a little long
Is there a part of it that wasmore interesting or less
interesting to you than otherparts?
And checking your analytics tosee kind of where that drop off
is, I think all of that can besuper useful and to me the line
of something that's critical butuseful versus critical and just
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hurtful is can it make yourcontent better?
Because, like I remember um, itwas actually.
This was so interesting becauseit was someone that I think I
had mutual friends with that Ifound out on social media and I
was like interesting because itwas someone that I think I had
mutual friends with that I foundout on social media and I was
like this is wild, but it wasanother woman that just went out
of control in my comments abouthow obnoxious my voice sounds.
Okay, and this is clearly notsomething I can change.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
No, you're kind of stuck with it.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I think it's fine, by the way this is not a critical
and helpful comment.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Sure helpful comment.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Ma'am, you know I'm not going to give up my career
because you, as one commenter,don't like the sound of my voice
, so sorry.
But yeah, if it's somethingthat's critical that can
actually help my content getbetter, that's great.
If it's just you know peoplebeing critical just to I don't
know feel better aboutthemselves, or be an online
bully or whatever it is that'smotivating them.
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I don't pretend to know peoplebeing critical just to I don't
know, feel better aboutthemselves or be an online bully
or whatever it is that'smotivating them.
I don't pretend to know, thenthat's something that I can just
ignore.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I like that.
Let's dig more into thelifestyle of a full-timer.
What does your day look like?
Let's talk about today.
I mean, it's the most recentthing.
So what happened before thisinterview?
What's happening after?
Talk to us about what your daylooks like.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Okay, so my day is a little different every day, and
that's exactly how I like it.
So that's the part of being myown boss that I really enjoy.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
All right.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I try to work Monday through Friday traditional
office hours, as well as Sundays.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I go live on.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Sundays Okay, and so that's a six-day-a-week work
schedule, which is quite a lot,um, especially considering I
have a family.
I'm a parent and so work-lifebalance is very important.
But I try to take half daysfridays when I can, and limit
the amount of evening andweekend events that I leave the
house for um.
But today, for example, I wakeup and my son leaves for school
at 7 30 in the morning okay mywork day that's early, I'll get
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acup of coffee and I will sit
down at my computer and thefirst thing I do is go through
the onslaught of emails thathave come in since end of day
yesterday, which is a lot, andsome of these are brands
reaching out for potential brandcollaborations.
Some of these are event invites, some of these are ongoing
discussion with brands.
I've already partnered with um.
I do a lot of on-camera hostingwhere I am the talent hired for
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other brands' productions, sosome of them are audition
notices or offers for that kindof work.
It's a whole lot, but I sitdown and I do emails for
approximately the first halfhour to an hour of a day just to
kind of catch myself up.
Then this morning I had chatswith my editor, who is a lovely
human being who lives in Chicago.
I adore her, she works for mepart-time and she had some edits
(27:30):
ready for me to review.
So we just kind of discord,chatted back and forth about
some notes that I had on some ofthose edits, things that I'd
like to see differently and, youknow, just being like actual
people and how's your morningand that kind of stuff.
Because, again, I work withpeople that I enjoy working with
, because it makes my day fullof more smiles.
So after chatting with her fora bit, I had a meeting with a
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brand that I'm partnering withfrom 9.15 to 9.45.
And then at 10 o'clock I wentlive on Amazon Live to do some
shoppable video content.
And I two birds with one stoneto this one, because for a job I
have tomorrow I need all thistech unboxed.
So I did an unboxing stream, soI made content out of the work
I had to do anyway.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Love it.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
So I did a tech unboxing stream from 10 to
approximately 1040.
And here we are 11 amam andsome change chatting for this
podcast.
After we're done today, I'mgoing to get myself some lunch
and some water, becausehydrating is important, and then
I'm going to go live on Twitchfrom approximately one to four,
and then this evening is aspecial circumstance because I
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have a premiere in Los Angelesthat I need to then get myself
fancied up and get my booty too.
So it's going to be a long workday today, but that is an
example of you know what couldbe a typical day for me as a
content creator.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Wow, I love that.
That's amazing and it's alittle bit of everything.
You're doing all differenttypes of things today, so it's
not like it's one, like you'renot just playing a game for 17
hours and then editing.
That You're doing all types of,which I think makes your life
more fulfilling in that way, butthen also makes work more
fulfilling.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
We're gonna talk about it does it also, but again
, in this time of likealgorithmic media and you're
down to one thing, it makes thata lot harder.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Because people will say like I don't know.
Brands will say like hey, wenoticed, you haven't done a
phone review in a while.
And it's like yep, you're right.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
There's a reason.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I have not.
I've been busy with other work,so if you're expecting my
YouTube channel to be all phonereviews, that it is not, you're
definitely going to be waiting awhile.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, no, I feel that We'll talk about work-life
balance in a little bit, becauseI actually do want to dig in
and I think that's not talkedabout nearly enough.
But I look at like, even what?
If you're watching the YouTubevideo, you'll see this it looks
like you're wearing a Legend ofZelda thing on your neck, right.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Yes, I wear this Triforce necklace so much I
usually joke in the summer thatI'll probably have a tan mark.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
That would have been the next question, but no, I
think it really shows that youare not just doing this because
it's a job, like it's somethingyou enjoy.
So let me ask you the question,um, and because I remember when
I was in high school and I wasworking at little caesars, um,
they were like do you still eatpizza?
I'm like, hell yeah, because Ilove pizza.
So are you still playing videogames in your free time?
(30:21):
I mean, I don't even know thatyou have free time when you're
not streaming.
Do you even get a chance toplay games just for fun?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Um, I don't really have a lot of free time.
Uh, I do play video games withmy son.
He just turned eight.
Um, so sometimes in my freetime with him we'll play games,
but those are generally not thegames I would choose to play.
I think we just rolled creditson dog man for the Nintendo
switch.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Not the game I would choose to play in my off time,
but that's all right, all right,my husband and I are talking
about doing a dark urge run onBaldur's Gate 3.
Okay, and inevitably that wouldhave to happen, clearly after
my son goes to bed.
Seems that way, and there aremany days when I put my son to
bed and I have a 6 am call timethe next morning and I am going
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right to sleep.
There is no time to stay uplate playing Baldur's Gate 3 as
much as I would like to Wow.
So I think the times I game forfun are when I'm lucky enough to
travel for work and I have asix hour plus flight.
Everyone dreads long flights,not me.
I finally get a long time togame.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I love it.
What's the game you're waitingto play by yourself, not
streaming, where you have toanswer questions that you just
want to play, you want to diginto.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Oh my gosh, there are so many.
Right now I have the longestlist.
I did not get past thecharacter creator on Dragon Age,
the Veil Guard.
And I know it's gotten mixedreviews but I still want to
check it out.
I only got a few hours intoAvowed and I would love to play
through all of that.
Right Life is Strange, trueColors Split Fiction just came
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out and obviously that's atwo-player game.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
It's a co-op game, yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
You know, the list is just on and on, and on and on
and on of the games I would loveto finish.
It's a running joke with myTwitch chat that I start games
and never finish them.
Now, that being said, I justfinished a 200 plus hour first
run of baldur's gate 3.
It took me a year plus to do itbecause I only played while I
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was twitch streaming and I I doa lot with my twitch channel.
It's not just the same game allthe time.
I do an indie game showcase ingame show format every tuesday
when I Wednesday and Thursdaysare usually chats, choice
Sundays are a lot of like coffeechats and then gaming.
So I'm only really playingthese games in two to three hour
chunks at most a couple times aweek.
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And if I'm on set for a brandfilming or I'm doing like
sometimes I do news spots in themorning again, kind of the on
camera side of what I do thenthat has to take priority over
the streaming schedule.
So, yes, it took me over a yearfor my first run through of
Baldur's Gate 3, but I enjoyedit immensely.
I also finished Alan Wake AlanWake.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Oh, how was that?
What did you think?
Alan Wake, alan Wake, alan Wake, alan Wake.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Alan Wake, alan Wake, alan Wake.
And someday when I age too muchand I age out of the on-camera
side of all of this, I'm goingto go full-time like Skyrim
grandma and just play games, andthen I will actually be able to
complete games.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Finish games Regularly.
That's awesome, well cool.
Okay, so that's the kind ofgaming side of your life.
Let's talk about the work-lifebalance a little bit more, just
because I think it's superimportant.
So you have family, obviously,and that's typically a full-time
job in and of itself to be amom and a wife and all that
stuff.
Let's talk about the balance.
What does that look likegenerally speaking, and is there
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something you wish could bedifferent?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
So I've gone through many different phases of what it
looks like.
When I first started contentcreation, I was young and single
and could really work aroundthe clock, and because I loved
what I did, it was very easy towork around the clock.
However, from a mental healthstandpoint, I found myself in a
position where I didn't evenknow what I wanted to do in my
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free time anymore.
I didn't have free time.
I started kind of losing alittle bit of that and I was
realizing there was no self-careand and so I kind of struggled
with that when I was single.
And then, once I married myhusband, then all of a sudden,
you know, I needed to spend timewith him, I needed to nurture
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that relationship.
So there was time that wasneeded to take away from work
for that, which actually wasvery healthy for me, because I
needed a real thing to help meprioritize.
And then, especially when I hadmy son, that was the biggest
adjustment, because now there isa human dependent on me for his
livelihood and he does not careif that YouTube video got out
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on time, you know.
And so when I had my son,youtube was actually the part of
my content creation journeythat took the biggest backseat
and I think I didn't post to myYouTube channel for like nine or
ten months.
It just totally went away.
And again, because you now haveother priorities that you need
to factor in, there's only 24hours in a day and only seven
(35:04):
days in a week, so you do thebest you can and I thought you
know what.
I can probably post a photoevery now and then to Instagram.
I love Twitch streaming, like ifI have to prioritize the
platform that I enjoy creatingfor the most, it's going to be
that, and so I kept once a weekTwitch streams and I just looked
(35:24):
at what I could realisticallydo and still not feel like I was
letting my family down in anyway.
And then fast forward to thepandemic.
My husband was working fulltime before that at an office
job and I was trying to do thestay at home parent with a
toddler but also keep up mycontent creation, which was a
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bit of a hot mess.
Then everyone got stuck at home, right, and so then we had no
childcare help.
Because, before that we weredoing kind of like part-time
childcare on a flex basis as Ineeded it, and then we had no
childcare at all.
So every morning my husband andI had to sit down and say okay
well, I have an 11 o'clock.
Okay, well, I have an 11o'clock.
Okay, well, I have an 11o'clock.
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Who's 11 o'clock?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
is more important because he's three.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
We can't just leave him for 45 minutes because mommy
and daddy both have zoommeetings.
Like that's not realistic.
Um, and so the decision weended up making for our family
uh, which is going to bedifferent for every family is
that my husband said look, Ihate my job and you love your
job.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
And if one of us is going to take a step back, I
think it should be me.
And again, a global pandemic issomething that hopefully only
happens once every century or so.
So it was definitely direcircumstances, but he at that
time did take a step back fromhis career and his job that he
did not like anyway.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Oh, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
And since then he has been, he has taken on the role
of the stay-at-home parent,which has enabled me to have
these days like I describedtoday, where I'm working from
7.30 am until the end of thispremiere, which is probably
going to be at 9.30 pm tonight.
So today is an extraordinarilylong day.
Or tomorrow I'm hosting, uh, alive stream for amazon and my
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production time, uh, my calltime, is 6 00 am that wouldn't
enable me to do a schooldrop-off in the morning if I was
still responsible for that.
So the fact that my husband isavailable to do those things is
very helpful to me at this stagein my career.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Amazing.
So the answer for everyone isget married if you are not,
otherwise, it's never going tohappen for you.
No, I'm just kidding.
That's great.
That's really awesome that youfigured that part out, and it's
definitely something that I love.
You talked almost in thenegotiation that you had with
your husband to figure out like,okay, well, we got to make a
choice here.
I mean, hopefully, most peoplewon't have to make a choice like
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that, but there are things thata lot of content creators don't
think about when they thinkabout going full-time.
Again, we've said this before.
It sounds like it's all great,but it's not.
What's maybe the one thing thata content creator is not
thinking about right now thatyou're like oh, this is the
thing you need to know aboutbecause you're not going to like
this.
What's the one thing I like tosay?
Speaker 3 (38:11):
it's like health insurance or something like that
Health insurance is a hard oneLet me tell you, for my family
of three, Our health insurancecosts us almost $30,000 a year.
Oh my God.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
I'm about to faint.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Yep, that's something , realistically, if no one in
your household is working for acorporation that provides
healthcare, that's real.
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot ofthat kind of administrative end
of it that I think is reallyhard for a lot of creators, and
I, you know, I feel like everycreator I know that's full-time
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structures their day and theirworkflow slightly differently.
My hat's off to the creatorsthat are live eight hours a day
and then take care of theirnegotiations and emails and
bookkeeping and all of that Inaddition to that.
I'm thinking you must be working12 hour days every day or they
found a really good team andhave a really good team in place
that takes care of a lot of theadministrative for them.
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I don't have that.
The only person that's kind ofregular on my team is the
part-time editing help that Iget Shout out Jen.
She's amazing, but Jen isreally the only person on my
team and she's part-time on myteam.
And then I do have a talentmanager that helps me with
negotiating contracts, but Istill like to do most of the
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negotiation myself and then Ihand him off for the fine print.
But I'll take care of the majordeal points, because otherwise
he'll just call me and say whatdo you want out of this deal?
Like what is this okay with you?
And so just to minimize themiddleman back and forth.
I take care of the major dealpoints, but yeah, it's a lot of
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the behind the scenes work thatgoes into orchestrating that.
It makes me so sad in my heartwhen I hear people say things
like oh, then there's theseinfluencers that just get paid
all this money for a picture andI just want to say would you
say the same thing about amarketing agency that made a
picture for a billboard?
no, you would not.
No, thank you, um, and I canshow you the 100 plus emails I
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have back and forth with theentire team, the marketing team,
the legal team, like I alwaysjust I don't say it out loud
because I feel like don't saysomething.
Nice, you know say it here,though you can say it but in my
head all I can think is oh, yourignorance is showing yeah, oh
it's, it's, it's bright big timelike I don't go to my mechanic
and pretend I know what hiswhole work day is like.
(40:36):
I don't know what his whole workday is like.
So I do find it very insultingwhen people assume that they
know what a content creator'sday or workflow looks like,
especially, again, becauseeveryone I know that does it
full time has structured theirbusiness so differently.
And what I would say to the newcreators is play to your
strengths.
If there's something, ifthere's a part of the process
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you know in particular, you'revery good at and you enjoy,
prioritize that.
And if you are in a place whenyou can outsource, outsource the
part that you feel like maybeyou're not as good at or not
very efficient at.
For me, I can edit.
I'm not a very efficient editor, right, um?
And honestly, I was just sayingthis to a friend on set
yesterday who is really great atspecial effects.
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If I am working with a brandthat is, you know, the budget's
high enough for me to pay myfriends, I'm gonna pay my
friends, especially my friendsthat are much better at editing
or vfx or whatever it is thatthey do.
You know I, I want to do thatI'm happy to have a good team.
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I think that is going to yield abetter result.
The brand's going to be happier, like I totally make it happen.
Outsource the stuff that youdon't feel as good at, because
that's the stuff that will dragyou down and cause the most
burnout is the stuff you don'tlike doing.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I love that you said that, cause we've actually said
that on podcast, and love tohear other people say it on.
Uh, hear other people say itunprompted, so that it gives
more validity to the fact I'vebeen saying this for a while.
Yes, yes, yes, whenever you can.
Now it might not happen for awhile, but trust me when I tell
you as soon as you can, thebenefits typically outweigh the
cost paid.
So just two more things.
They're kind of the samequestion, but it's more of an
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experience.
I'm always curious about thissort of thing.
We're going to start the theweird one first, like what's the
weirdest slash?
Maybe most uncomfortable,awkward situations happen with a
viewer in person that you'veexperienced, or have you had one
of those weird kind of like oh,what is going on right now?
Speaker 3 (42:33):
you had anything like that I have um and I don't.
I don't know if you're leaningmore towards like, uh, like
scary you tell me, you tell me,it's your experience um, I, I, I
guess a kind of light andfluffy one.
That was more just kind ofsilly and awkward.
(42:53):
Uh was, I think I had someone,and this has happened a few
times.
But whenever someone sees me atan event but doesn't actually
stop and say, say hi, and thenthey'll like tweet me later
later I saw you blah, blah, blahearlier today and I'm like now
it feels weird.
Now it feels weird, yeah, yeahif you had just said hi in the
moment, it would have beentotally cool yeah, exactly now I
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feel like someone's watching meand that's strange.
Um so that.
But then there's also always,you know, sometimes you'll have
people that cross the line howdo you deal that?
Try to figure out yourresidence or something like that
, and that's never cool.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
How do you deal with that?
What do you do?
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Um, I mean, if it's bad enough, you get your local
authorities involved.
Um, if you need to, and justkind of contact your local
authorities and let them know,like, hey, this is who I am, am,
this is what I do for a living.
I know it's really strange, uh,but you know, especially for
folks that play video games,like, should you ever get a
swatting?
Speaker 1 (43:51):
like right from this residence right.
This is probably understand thecircumstance.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Um, or I had a while where, um, I joke around with
friends about this, wheresomeone kind of the lighter
version of that, but still the Iknow where you live ping, where
people will send things to yourhouse instead of your PO box or
publicly available address.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
And it's like ooh, don't like that.
No, thank you.
Yeah, please don't do that andyou kind of feel it out right,
like sometimes there will be, orlike if there's I don't even
talk to my mother that much Okay.
(44:32):
And I think you feel it outright, like if it's, if you can
say like hey really appreciatethe support of my content.
At this point in my life, Ihave a hard enough time
maintaining the friendships Ialready have and I'm not looking
to add to that.
Right, these are the ways thatit's appropriate to communicate
with me moving forward.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
So you're saying, for sure, we can't be friends after
this.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
I understand we need to kind of draw a line in the
sand, yeah, and, like I said,then there's other times when
you might need to go as far ascontacting the authorities.
But every situation isdifferent and I try to deal with
it differently.
But I mean in general I'm sureon this podcast you've had
people talk about it all thetime, but it's so important to
keep privacy in mind- yes.
And make sure that you useservices that scrub your
(45:14):
information off everything anddo everything you can to kind of
put as many layers ofprotection between your private
information and what you makepublic.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
And the thing is, you don't even have to be a big
creator to take that intoconsideration.
I use Delete Me, I use DeleteMe, but regardless, if you even
use a service, like even just inyour, I always tell creators in
your blocked words, put yourphone number, your address, and
if you don't tell your real name, put all those things in there
so they get automaticallyblocked.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
That's great advice, yeah.
Finally tell us one of the mostheartfelt, most hits you in the
heart feels thing that a viewerhas ever said to you or done
for you or anything.
Okay, I'm gonna step away frommy chair for just one moment to
grab it, okay for those of youwatching the video version okay,
it's a physical that she's.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
She literally just left her seat.
I've made the guest leave.
It's amazing, I've done itfinally.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
All right, here it comes I didn't know you were
going to ask this question, butsince since you did so, I
recently celebrated my 10-yearTwitch partnerversary
Congratulations and my communitymade me this book.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Now it says 10 years and it has our sub logo on the
front and every page is awritten notice from a community
member of the time they've metme in real life or the moment on
stream that meant so much tothem.
Oh my gosh, it's amazing.
It's amazing and it's you knowthis beautifully like very long
(46:43):
book wow, that's incredible thatthey all organized without me
knowing and in order to keepprivacy.
Since we were just talking aboutit, they had contacted my
editor in Chicago and said canwe send the book to you?
And then you send it to her sothat she gets it.
But like pictures with.
This is a picture with one ofmy viewers at a Halo event way
(47:08):
back in the day.
It's just.
It's so lovely and so heartfeltand, like my emotes and some of
them that have designed emotesor just drew little pictures, or
it's just amazing.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
It's just amazing.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
I mean as much as we talk about how the internet can
kind of sometimes bring out theworst in people.
I think it also is just atremendous tool for bringing
people together that never wouldhave found each other otherwise
, and bringing really specialcommunities and friendships
together.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
I love how you're looking at it lovingly.
It's so amazing.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
Yeah.
I love it so much, I love mycommunity so much, which again
is taking it all the way back towhat we were talking about
earlier.
It's why algorithmic media kindof breaks my heart a little bit
.
Yeah, yeah, I can see whybecause to me, the special part
of this I mean, I did not have alot of friends growing up.
I was the weird, nerdy kid thatgot picked on, and so a big
part of my content creationprocess is finding my people-
(48:09):
right and so a big part of why Istill do this for a living is
to to hang out with my people.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
But I love it.
That's fantastic.
What just tell me real quick inyour, in your heart, as you're
reading it?
Cause I can see you lookingthrough it, I can see it kind of
in your face, but people whoare listening what are the
thoughts and feelings goingthrough your mind as you look
through these pages?
Is there something that kind ofit comes to the forefront?
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Um, just, people were even remembering small things
that I don't remember and thenI'm reading them and going oh
yeah, that is so fun, just likea little trip down memory lane
and realizing you know like howmuch meeting people in person
means to them.
And little letters, like someof these community members I
have been pen pals with now forlike 10 plus years.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
That's insane.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
You know I might not have time to write back often,
but I write back as often as Ican and they've helped me
through hard times or likepeople that started watching my
content in a different phase oftheir life, and now they watch
my content with their children.
Wow my content with theirchildren, and so you know,
(49:16):
getting to for me, getting to bea fly on the wall for all of
those awesome moments for themand their lives, like it's just.
It's really awesome.
And to see everybody else'screativity come together and
share things they're passionateabout that again, we were
probably all picked on at somepoint for sharing our passion
about it, that it's nowsomething we can celebrate
together.
I just think it's a really,it's a really lovely thing and
(49:37):
it makes me so happy.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Well, that is a great place to end this, because I
always thought of you as a verypositive creator and I think
ending on a positive note likethat is amazing.
So what's the what's the nextthing?
Of course people can find youjust by googling your name.
But like what's the next thing?
Of course people can find justby googling your name.
But like what's the nextproject you're doing that you
want people to tune in for?
Speaker 3 (49:55):
or something of interest.
Oh my goodness, um, I alwayshave about seven or eight
different plates spinning at atime which, if you are going
full-time content creation, Ihighly recommend, because any of
those plates could comecrashing.
That's true at any time.
Everyone's like what are yougonna do if tick tock goes away?
I'm like I don't know.
That's like one of the tenplates.
I'm not super worried about itbecause I've got these nine
other plates, um, so you know,keep all your plates spinning.
(50:18):
So, that being said, it's hardto pick just one project I'm
working on right now.
I would say if you want to findme, you can, of course, find me
at youtuber, twitch, slash,trisha hershberger, um, and on
the other socials I'm that girl,trish, with no I in the girl.
So it's just thatgrltrish.
Fun fact that's because thatgirl Trish, spelled correctly,
was taken, so it's justthatgrltrish.
(50:40):
But if you like tech content,if you like gaming content, both
tabletop and of the video gamevariety, if you like just kind
of geeking out about fun fandomstuff or toys and collectibles,
then you will probably likesomething that I share somewhere
along the way.
Or just in general, if you needan internet friend-o to spread
(51:01):
some wholesome positivity.
I try to be that for people aswell.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
That's amazing.
Well, thank you so much forjoining us.
Everyone you know listen.
If you go and check outTrisha's content, tell her that
you loved on the podcast.
We really appreciate you takingyour time out of your really
legitimately busy day to talk tothe listenership here on
vidIQ's really the best podcastwe have.
Really, to be honest, this isthe best podcast.
(51:24):
It's the only one we have.
The best, but it's the best.
It's the best one.
Anyway, for those of you allthat are watching on YouTube, we
hope you liked it.
Of course, feel free to hitsubscribe and if you're
listening to Audio Podcast,leave us a five-star review on
those Apple Podcasts.
We'll see you all in the nextone.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
We hope you enjoyed this episode of Tube Talk
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