May 19, 2025 • 52 mins
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Travis and Jen break new ground with their second-ever Discord community episode featuring video questions and live creator Q&A. The episode showcases real creator challenges and provides actionable solutions for improving retention, finding the right audience, and maintaining perspective on YouTube success.
• First-ever viewer-submitted video questions with impressive production quality
• Strategies for improving retention and keeping viewers watching until the end
• Tips for reducing the steep viewer drop-off in the first 30 seconds
• Balancing cross-platform promotion without diluting content effectiveness
• Managing negative feedback when creating politically-charged content
• Reframing "small" view counts as significant achievements (50 views = 50 real people)
• Finding the right balance between content quality and quantity
• Importance of packaging content correctly to set viewer expectations
• Why YouTube tags matter less than most creators think
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to the only podcast that wants to talk
to you in person whenever we can.
I'm Travis and I'm here withJen.
Hi it's so exciting because Jenand I are in the middle.
If you're watching the YouTubechannel, you know that we're in
the middle of these studioepisodes that we did, which was
so much fun.
Jen, it was good seeing youagain.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
So much fun.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
We're going to take a break from those just to do
this episode.
This episode is one with you,the community.
We love the community so much.
We actually have a discordvidIQcom slash discord which is
a free piece of software whereyou can hang out with other
creators just like you, andwe're going to go in there and
we're going to have an episode.
We're going to do an entireepisode talking to people in the
discord.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Exciting stuff right, join the vidIQ.
Let's go Now.
What's interesting?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
is in that discord.
Jen, we tried something,something new.
We're trying something crazyokay, okay you know, we always
do emails yeah what if we didwould end text and now in
discord voice calls?
What if we did video questions?
Why are you laughing?
(01:00):
I think it's an idea I thinkidea.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I think it's a fun idea.
I think it opens the door toendless possibilities.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Oh my gosh.
And.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I'm here for it.
Well, let's watch.
We have two, let's do Okay.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
Let's see what we got .
Okay, let's get into this.
First time ever.
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Oy vey.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
Won't anything go wrong.
Hello, I'm Prant.
I'm a gaming content creator.
I make videos about lore andguides for the games I play.
One of the biggest issues I'mfacing- Hold on, hold on pause.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
This Did he just like .
Come at us right with astraight hook.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I love that he did that.
This means this is a realcontent creator.
This is a legitimate 100%YouTuber.
This is a legitimate 100%YouTuber.
Imagine going to a restaurantgoing, I'm here hungry and I
would like food.
You don't even get.
You don't care what thewaitress's name is, You're just
like give me the food now,because I'm a hungry.
Youtuber and the captions thecaptions are fire it's captioned
(01:58):
oh my God.
I want to be clear.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
This is visually amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I want to be clear.
This is not a YouTube videowe're taking.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
This is a literal video question to us.
No, someone made this.
This is the level of effort weexpect moving forward.
There's no questions.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
No, this is it.
You got to do this or not?
All right, let's get back tothis question guides for the
games I play.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
One of the biggest issues I'm facing during making
videos is making a goodstoryline where a viewer could
watch the video till the endwithout getting bored,
especially in gaming niche.
It's very hard to do so and Ipersonally believe editing well
enough hasn't gotten me to theexpected results, so I hope I
can get the answer to this one.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Thank you very much, amazing first of all, you're
editing this fire.
We just watched it the fireedit right.
So, um, this is a good question,though this goes back to, like,
retention.
We just did, um a video aboutretention graphs and stuff right
, and we did talk a little bitabout how to get retention up,
but what there's, what thisperson specifically saying, is
that he can't give people to theend.
(03:00):
He's not necessarily talkingabout the middle or even the
beginning.
He's like, look, I need peopleto watch this thing all the way
through.
Um, let's talk about therealities of that and then
quickly kind of give him sometips.
So what are the realities ofpeople watching to the end, jen?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
it's not high, it's not probable you're not wrong,
that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I mean, I mean, what do you think like?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I mean there's to obviously be people who watch to
the end, but when we're talkingabout the masses, I mean very
rarely do we see an average viewduration of 50% of a video.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Right, Depending on the length.
Depending on the length ofcourse.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, well, okay, let's say we're talking good
length, long video.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
We're not.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
We're not seeing numbers that are like that.
So obviously a skilled editor,this feels like a fun challenge.
Yeah, this feels like a funchallenge for someone who's
obviously very creative to watchthat content and like, when are
you clicking off?
I do this with my own contentall the time.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
You should.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I watch and like I've clicking off.
I do this with my own contentall the time.
You should.
I watch and like I've seen athousand times.
But you have to like separatesomething you have like I guess
you have to be a little bitmentally unhinged to be a
youtuber.
You have to snap that thing inyour brain where you're watching
it for the first time andyou're like, wow, I've never
seen this before.
I didn't edit it, I didn't makeit.
When am I clicking off?
When am I looking away from thescreen?
When am I picking up my phone?
(04:25):
When am I literally doinganything else?
Get rid of that moment.
I don't think it's about likechanging the whole story all of
the time.
It's.
It's definitely comes down torefinement and and they know
that, but they might not berefining the right parts- and
also what's the payoff.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
what am I waiting for at the end?
Is it going to be more of thesame, of what I've already seen?
If it's more of the same, I'vealready seen it, I don't need to
wait for the end.
But if it's the climax of avideo, like everything is
building up to the end, that'show you get people to watch the
end.
As a matter of fact, in thislast episode that we did where
we were in the studio, I showeda screenshot of my retention
graph of the video that I wastalking about in the podcast,
(05:04):
where I had like an 80%retention at the end of the last
like 15 seconds of the video,and the reason I did that is I
had a payoff at the end.
So it's not easy to do andagain, the longer the video is,
the harder it is.
But if you have a longer video,I always tell all my clients
listen, 40% retention at the endof the last 15 seconds, we're
good.
This again, again, applies tofive minute and over videos.
(05:25):
But always reach for higherthan what you are Now.
Here's what's funny.
That was the end of retentiongraphs.
The next question is literallythe opposite.
Let's watch this question.
This is kind of great.
Another video questionsubmitted by one of the people
in the Discord.
You have to be in the Discordto submit these questions by
video.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
So let's check it out .
Hi Jen and Travis, I'm Haley.
My retention drop-off is about50% within that first 30 seconds
of my videos, so how do I fixthat?
For the most part for my videos, it feels like I get to the
point, but still, how do I fixmy retention within that first
30 seconds?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Thank you so common first 30 seconds, thank you, so
common, so common and such agenuine concern for so many
people.
By the way, aren't our creator,uh, viewers and listeners like
the best ever?
They edit their videos.
It's not a big um and office.
Both of them were edited.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I did not expect this , literally I thought people
were like shot on location, likenot with an iphone, like what's
up guys?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
bro.
No, and it's.
It's edited like the ums andahs are edited out.
It's just right to the point.
This is a standard of videoquestions we want from this
point forward.
Don't give us these long 10minutes.
These are perfect.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
So you will always have a drop at the beginning of
your video, no matter who youare, but she's specifically
talking about 50, which is a bigdrop, yeah, but we're also
talking 30 seconds, though, andwe don't know what 30 seconds
means to her content.
The only thing we know 30seconds means is to youtube, and
I don't know why they're evenstill doing that.
Right doesn't mean anything,right, just there.
(07:00):
So I would identify what youractual retention is at your hook
.
What is your hook?
What is your retention afteryour one sentence, two sentences
to open up your video?
Boom, that's your actualretention.
Drop right there.
What is your drop then?
From after your hook now to theintro of your video or getting
into the content.
(07:20):
Is there a lull that's too longthere.
Are you not actually gettinginto it fast enough?
This is the segment that is, Ifeel like the danger zone when
we think about opening retention.
Like you can have a killer hookand not give yourself credit
for being like holy crap, I havelike 85 retention after I just
said two sentences.
People are like let's go.
And then what are you doingafter that?
(07:42):
That's where we can see therest of this retention drop,
because maybe you do need toactually just get in right after
the hook.
Maybe you'll have anopportunity for more of an intro
.
Maybe you promise something soawesome in that hook that people
are like let's go right.
And then you proceeded to talka little bit more I love that.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Um, another reason for potential drops very early
on is your thumbnail and titledoesn't match what your intro is
like.
Your thumbnail title promisedme a mr b's video and then back
to the basics mtm is walking inwith the sewing and, and I
expected this amazing thing andI'm like no, this isn't it chief
.
This ain't it?
Um, we talked about about thehover thing.
That in the last pot and one ofthe last podcast episodes where
(08:27):
I said I hover to see what theintro is, cause I don't even
trust your thumbnail on title.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I was trust Nobody.
He's not liking anything, he'strusted Nobody.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
No, I'm hovering son Jen Meanwhile like, and
everything she watched hit thatlike, like like, Subscribe like.
If you don't know what we'retalking about, that's in the
last episode.
You got to go back and watch it, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Does it pass Travis's hover test?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Listen, I'm going to patent that.
I'm going to copyright that.
That was great.
Does it pass the Travis patent?
Look, the hover test is real Ifyou don't know what we're
talking about last episode.
But this episode is excitingbecause we're to you other
creators and viewers just likeyou in Discord, jen.
Let's go over there right nowand now.
We are here in Discord vidIQcom, slash Discord.
(09:10):
If you've never been herebefore, you should check it out.
Tons of creators, including theones that will be coming up on
stage today.
Jen, this is fun.
We've done this before.
We're going to do it again.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I'm super excited and I'd say I'd love for the second
time to go even smoother, but Idoubt it.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
You'd have a technical difficulty at the end.
But listen, I think I fixedeverything on my side, so we're
just going to have fun.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
No, it's always going to be something.
It's always.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
This is true.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
That's technology.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
This is true.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
That's the podcast.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
It's the unfortunate reality of of what's going on on
and in technology, um.
But again, if, uh, you'relistening to the podcast or
watching on youtube, feel free,uh, to join at vidiqcom slash
discord, where you can come anddo all the crazy cool things.
All right, let's see if we canget someone up.
Looks like we have one personrequesting to come up.
I don't think you need to shareyour screen, vicky.
I don't think you need to shareyour screen.
Speaker 10 (10:04):
Vicki, I don't think so.
No, I mean the person whorequested.
I just wanted to give a quickdisclaimer that the Boost and
one-on-one coaching users have apriority to jump on stage and I
don't know who you see.
I don't see a single personraising a hand.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I guess they put it down.
Speaker 10 (10:25):
So that's why I wanted to offer you guys to
start with pre-selectedquestions, and that's why I
decided to share my screen.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So let's start with one of the pre-selected
questions.
We have one here from KCL andit's art.
It's one big, long word.
I'm a full-time artist sellingpaintings and art prints.
I have a decent following onInstagram and a newsletter that
I use to show behind the scenesand let people know when I have
new work available.
I recently started a YouTubechannel and I'm excited to add
it to the mix in order to builda community.
My question is since I have anaudience on other platforms,
(10:53):
should I start sharing the videowith them as soon as I post it?
My immediate thought is ofcourse they'll like to see this
too.
I share it, boost in viewsright away, and I definitely
have feelings on this.
I'm sure you have feelings onthis too, Jen.
Let's talk a little bit aboutsharing your content when you
(11:13):
have a following elsewhere, notjust on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
It's a I feel like it's such a frequent question,
this is a popular one, I thinkin this instance I would say
share, like you have an audiencefor what you're already doing.
Whether they want to watch iton YouTube is another question,
but I feel like this is one ofthe instances where you won't
really see an issue with thealgorithm because people that
(11:40):
will click over are interested.
Like it is your target audiencefrom another place, and we see
this success a lot of times withTikTok coming over to YouTube.
But this gets like sketchy whenyou just have more of a
personal account and you're likehey, everybody watch my YouTube
video.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
What do you think?
Watch my YouTube video.
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
What do you think?
So I have always said, you know, share it wherever, but you
should share it in the nativeformat of wherever you're
sharing it.
So that might mean re-uploadingon Instagram or whatever,
rather than sending a link.
There's a couple reasons forthis no-transcript Instagram to
(12:35):
be on Instagram.
I don't want to go to YouTubeif I'm on Instagram, so it's
usually kind of hard to bringpeople over in that way.
So putting it in a nativeformat on that particular
platform is another way to growyourself.
It's not going to grow yourYouTube channel directly, but
that maybe is not the point here.
Having said that, I had ToddBupre from YouTube on a while
back and he just encouragespeople to share it everywhere
(12:56):
and to let people know,especially if you're a smaller
channel, to get more informationabout your video out to YouTube
so it understands who's goingto enjoy that video more.
Thus, share it to other peoplewho maybe aren't even aware of
your channel.
Sharing is not a bad thing.
I think you just need toconsider the pros and cons of
that.
If you got it, share it.
(13:17):
If you got it, flaunt it,flaunt it.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Flaunt those links.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Pump them links out.
Do you have anyone who who wantthose links the?
Yeah, pump them links out.
Do you have anyone who wants tocome up on stagy?
That's the french way of sayingstage hi I am hayley.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Hey, hayley, how you doing?
Hi, hayley, I'm good, how areyou guys?
Speaker 1 (13:36):
very good.
What's good?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I'm sorry if you can hear stuff in the background,
but I've got my littlest kidwith me so he's doing stuff very
nice, oh cute uh, so I amliterally editing a video right
now.
Uh, I am also an artist, sothis is another art channel
question very cool so the videothat I'm working on is an art
(13:59):
challenge video where I create achildren's book in 24 hours.
So I recorded the whole thingand I have all my footage of me
making it and it's just me andmy iPad basically.
So I'm having some likecreative block on what I can add
for B-roll, since I alreadyrecorded the whole thing.
(14:19):
Like, what do you guys think ofme just recreating those tense
moments while I'm doing thechallenge?
Like does that make sense?
Would that be interesting topeople I don't even know?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Like the behind the scenes Did you?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
record yourself doing it.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Yeah, so I recorded myself for the duration of like
making this book in 24 hours,but I didn't like vary my shot
very much at that point becauseI was just working on my iPad
making it.
So I was like drawing thepictures and like writing the
story and stuff did you screenrecord like the iPad uh, yeah,
so I I do like a top-downrecording of me working on my
(14:58):
iPad.
Wait why do we have all of thatfootage but it it's like super
boring.
So I want to add some like isit boring, Interesting stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Who says it's boring Well, me.
Well, my retention says it'sboring don't know if more b-roll
is really what you need here.
Maybe, when I think about it,the way you're explaining it,
I'm thinking we need to refinethe amount of you creating to
(15:33):
tell the story.
Um, there is so much power insmall clips like it's really
just for context.
If this is to actually watch,you create this, which you know
it doesn't feel like it is,because it is the challenge of
the 24 hours and the goal is canyou create it?
Not necessarily like what?
How teach me what you're doing?
(15:55):
Let me watch the whole process,like this is for fun.
Um, I, if you feel like it'sboring and you feel like
retention is not there, cutthose moments down where you're
actually showing the screenrecording and have them be
honestly, half of the time thatyou even have edited now, and I
bet you will feel differentlyabout that.
I don't think it comes down tovariation.
(16:17):
I think it comes down to havingan editor's eye when you're
watching and realizing maybethis is an entire segment that I
actually cut out.
Maybe this entire portion ofthe middle isn't even important
because I wasn't facing any typeof problem or difficulty, and
then maybe the real importantthing is troubleshooting
something or something was wrongwith the iPad, or we want to
(16:39):
focus on the story elements here, less on the creative elements,
because the goal is this story,so more people are interested
in the story, not the actualbook in this instance.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Right.
Okay.
Yeah, so like I made like avoiceover of all of like my
storytelling and so now I'm likecutting down everything to fit
like this flow of the story.
So that's where I'm at.
It's just, you know, I'm likecutting down everything to fit
like this flow of a story.
So that's where I'm at.
It's just, you know, I'm tryingyou know I'm probably
overthinking like making thislook cool and like like I'm a
(17:13):
professional.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
For sure, we all do, it's not just you.
We all overthink all of ourcontent choices.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Also, I think, like there's, there's a bucket for
everything.
We always talk about buckets onthe, on the show, as I'm sure
you know, um, and this could beone of those buckets for, like
your community to, to deepenyour connection with your
community, cause it's not justabout, it's not always about
views, right, it's not alwaysabout getting the most amount of
views, seems that way, but Ithink most people would love to
have a community as well.
(17:40):
And, um, when you have bignumbers of views, the vast
majority of those views arepeople who don't necessarily
know you and they're juststopping by.
Maybe it was promoted on theirhome feed or whatever, and maybe
they won't come back.
The video like you're describingwould definitely be for people
who are already interested inwhat you're into and, even if it
doesn't quote perform.
Well, that doesn't mean it'snot deepening a connection with
(18:01):
your audience.
I mean, we do this all the timehere on the boost, or I should
say, uh, the vid I get podcastchannel, and what's interesting
is, um, there's an episodethat's going to come out I don't
know if it's gonna come outbefore this episode goes live or
after where Jen and I um, theoriginal take of it was things
we like about YouTube and it'skind of more about us.
You kind of get to know usbetter.
(18:21):
But then we kind of turned itinto a hot takes type episode.
But it all started out withjust things about me and Jen and
we know that may not perform ashigh, but we don't care because
we're trying to make this deepconnection with our community.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Well, I I'd connect with that, so I'm going to watch
that one.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Nice Wait Haley.
How much content are youconsuming for these 24-hour
challenges outside of like yourniche?
Speaker 4 (18:49):
can you ask that question again?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
I'm sorry, how, how many um doing blank in 24 hours
type videos have you watchedoutside of your niche?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
um every 24-hour video outside, like every
24-hour video I've watched hasbeen ones outside of my niche.
There was one that was justyeah, it's all been outside my
niche.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I think, like mid edit, a good exercise could be
to watch those with a veryintentional editing eye take a
break from your editing and lookat how little they've edited
the process into those stylevideos and then return to your
edit and be like, okay, theydidn't have six extra angles,
they didn't have three camerasset up and watch.
(19:36):
Watch with an editing eyebecause you watched with your
creative eye before, but I wouldsay, watch with an editing eye
and you will feel so much moreconfident about your content,
the way that it is right now,because it's so easy to get
wrapped up and watch from.
Watch from all over.
Also, this is like a form oftorture.
That we can't watch Hayley'svideo right now.
(19:57):
Like this is torture.
It's like making.
I'm like Hayley.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Show me the video well, the other element to it is
I have my kids choose everyelement to the story, so I don't
get to choose what it's thebest.
That's cool, oh my god, it'sfun for me.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
So, whether it performs or not, my, my kids
helped me and that was fun,that's amazing it should feel
fun, then that is what I wouldsay go into the editing with is
like this should feel fun.
Don't think about in.
I would say go into the editingwith is like this should feel
fun.
Don't think about it in termsof retention.
Think about is this justflowing from the next fun thing
to the next fun thing?
Are you watching this andsmiling?
There could be so little aboutthe actual creation of this
(20:37):
involved at this point.
There's so many good elementsthat are interesting yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I love this.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Haley, can you send us the video after elements that
are interesting?
Yeah, I love this, hayley canyou send us the video after.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Can you, yeah, when you leave a comment or whatever,
uh, on the youtube channel orwhatever, send it to us.
We would love to check it outnow.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
We're very curious okay, I will thank you amazing,
nice to talk to you you too.
Thank you so much um and again.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
If you're listening to the podcast you're like who
are these people?
They are people, the people ofdiscord of like.
Remember the people of Walmart,the people of discord.
Do you remember the people ofWalmart website?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, no, I used to have a ripoff calendar like a
daily calendar.
That was the.
It was like Walmartians.
And every day was like a thedate and a hilarious photo of a
Walmartian.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Well, we got another people of discord.
Uh, who are we talking to?
Speaker 5 (21:25):
hi, I'm gara hey gara hi gara um.
So I make pokemon videos mainlyaround shiny hunting, which is
different colored pokemon cooland one thing I've noticed in my
niche is that it seems like tohelp with the content creation
part.
Basically all of my othercompetitors co-creators will
(21:53):
stream either on Twitch or onYouTube mostly on Twitch and I
guess my question is, if Idecide to go down that route,
how should I decide betweenwhether I stream on YouTube or I
try and stream on Twitch?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I would ask why do you feel like you have to choose
one or the other?
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I don't think my internet speed can handle it at
this moment streaming to both.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
So have you tried something like Restream, where
you're only streaming to onething but it sends it out to
everywhere else?
I've not, so that's a serviceyou can use.
Or StreamYard same thing, whereyou're only sending your stream
to one platform but it thensends that stream out to
multiple platforms so you canmulti-stream using the same
amount of bandwidth as if youwere sending it to one place.
(22:37):
I think if you're just startingout, there's no reason to not
be as many places as possible sopeople can find you.
It's hard in a lot of ways, as asmaller creator or a smaller
streamer, to be found and to putall your eggs in one basket or
the other.
It's not necessarily a terriblething, because then you can
really kind of go out.
But, quite frankly, if I wereto do it, I'm going everywhere.
(22:58):
I'm not I'm giving everyone achance, because what happens if
you really go?
Okay, I'm really in on thistwitch thing, I'm going hardcore
on that and it just doesn'thappen.
But in that same amount of timeyou spent on twitch, it would
have worked on youtube.
You don't want to not find outtill it's too late.
You want to give it your bestshot everywhere as fast as you
possibly can Makes sense.
So I would look into somethinglike Restream or StreamYard, and
(23:21):
again, that'll allow you tostream to one platform and then
it'll send it, I think, up to 10.
It's crazy, it's wild.
Anything else.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
No, I think that's it .
Thank you Amazing.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Happy to be here to help.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I think I saw someone say that.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Happy to chime in there.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I think I saw someone say that they call themselves
Discordians.
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, I saw that too.
It sounds so regal.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
We have the, I think very famous edgar allen pooh.
What's going on?
Speaker 9 (23:58):
hey guys, um, I before I last year I posted a
few shorts comedy related, orthere are comedy and um.
I stopped posting because I wasI quit my job and I was burnt
out from work and recently Istarted posting again.
I did.
(24:19):
I don't want to just focus onshorts, I want to my main to be
long form and I'm posting onother platforms as well, but I
want my YouTube to be my focus,but and just repurpose some of
the content to be shorts as welland then some that are like
(24:40):
made to be shorts.
So, but my content, like before, it was just, like you know,
more random, kind of funny stuff, but some of, and right now I
want to create series and rightnow I want to create series, and
one of the series that Icreated and that I have posted
is um, like a comedy talk showwith sketches, uh, built in, and
(25:05):
it's um, yeah, mainly liketalking about like political
issues and more so focused inCanada, uh, but like referencing
US as well, and I'm gettinglike a lot of the wrong people
watching and negative feedback.
(25:26):
It's like I some of it, I think,is people older people who
won't get my sense of humor, butalso who people who disagree
with me, um, and you know,clicking off or uh down, voting
or leaving negative comments, um, it's just like, and I tried
(25:48):
adding more tags and and I wasthinking like, oh, it would,
maybe this one would like bringin some more because it's more,
maybe this one would bring insome more because it's more
progressive views.
It would bring in moreprogressive views if I add these
tags.
But that was after it stoppedpushing my videos.
So, for the next round of thenext full episode, what should I
(26:09):
do?
Because, also, it's not theonly my channel's, not all
political?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
So your last video was political.
Speaker 9 (26:19):
It was like a longer video with like a talk show and
then it had like sketches builtin and then I posted those
sketches separately as well.
That was political.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, I think what was the title.
Oh, that's a good one.
Speaker 9 (26:33):
What's the which one?
Speaker 2 (26:35):
What was the title?
Oh, that's a good one.
Which one?
What was the title of thepolitical?
Speaker 9 (26:38):
video, the longer, full-length one.
It was Canadian election andTrump threats Boom.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, so here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Here's the thing no matter what side of the fence
you are on any of the thingsthat are going on politically,
what side of the fence you areon, any of the things that are
going on politically, you can'tspeak about any of it without
having some people come in andnot be nice.
I mean, that's it, and the thingabout it's strange.
We live in a time now where youcan literally compliment
someone and someone from thatsame side of the fence will
still say something bad aboutyou.
(27:09):
We live in a very strange time,strange time, and you just have
to understand that religion,politics and I don't know what
else you could even put, butreligion and politics are two
big ones are so divisive thatyou either have to have a tough
skin and just kind of barrelthrough it if you think it's
important enough to your content, or you might just have to look
at it and go.
Maybe this isn't for me, and Iwill say that you can get big
(27:32):
views doing what you're talkingabout.
You can continue to do it, butyou will have people like that
pop up.
Jen, what do you think aboutall this?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I think in this instance it comes down to the
packaging and the expectationyou're setting for the video.
Because if these are funny likewhen I hear that title that
doesn't sound funny.
And then you have people whoare clicking in, thinking this
is like we're talking politics,and then on top of that they
don't understand your humor.
So now you've just kind of likeirritated somebody, and of
(28:03):
course that's not your fault,they're irritated themselves.
But I think this also comesdown to setting the expectations
.
Like if this is funny, likehave funny titles, have funny
thumbnails, like this is wherepeople are going to click in and
be like oh my God, politics.
Like I'm big into politics, Icould use some humor.
Let's make fun of people Idon't like.
Speaker 9 (28:23):
The ones that are like cut down, just the sketches
those are.
I mean, all the characters areme, so it's just like an image
from there.
But like I after it stoppedpushing it, I edited the
thumbnail more to make it likestand out more, but it is like I
(28:58):
don't know how.
I feel like it's probablyevident that it's not serious
for the broken down sketches forthe main one to try to
communicate that I have like metalking in the center and like
normal me and then like imagesof like the uh thumbnails of the
of a few of the sketches.
So I don't know if that'scommunicating it or not.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I would continue to lead it hard if you feel like
there's any type of question.
Remember we want titles andthumbnails to be so, so obvious,
like for kindergartners.
So if you want to put moresarcastic humor into the title,
if you want to, you know, havelike literally the most
ridiculous title that's going toalign with you and these
(29:30):
different characters on thethumbnail, then go for it.
I would say lean in.
It feels like we're playing itsafe in the title and having a
little bit fun on the thumbnailand it might be creating some
confusion.
Obviously this is just kind oflike one off, but I am a firm
believer in use your personalityto your advantage and your
titles and thumbnails, Becausewe are so past the days of
(29:54):
templatized titles andthumbnails and people are bored
of it and if you're addingsomething fun to something that
is so serious, I would say justgo like all out and then do it
again.
And do it again and staypatient and try to look past a
hateful comment, set up filtersif you feel like it's getting
out of control and really justjust go for it yeah, I, I the
(30:21):
broken down ones um.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Afterwards I changed the thumbnails, I did add some
text silly text to some of themyeah, I think it was already I
think, ultimately, you just haveto know we learn this as
creators like there's certaincontent you make that will just
invite people who are just to bethere to be hateful to your
content, and it's part of beinga content creator.
(30:43):
In one way, it definitely showsthat A you're hitting a nerve
which definitely can lead tomore views, whether it's good or
bad that only means they'refunny yeah yeah, yeah, but
definitely make sure that, like,you're checking in with your
own mental health and if it'ssomething you think you can see
yourself doing more of, becauseultimately, um, if you continue
to do content that's kind of onthat, on that ledge, you might
(31:05):
end up, uh, with more of that.
Speaker 9 (31:07):
so, yeah, um, what like?
How do I get the like I getthat it's gonna?
You know, there'll be peoplewho don't agree with me and
they'll stumble upon it.
How do I get it to more of thepeople who would enjoy it,
because I feel like it's not forthem?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
So it's one of two things Either time because
YouTube will eventually figureout who those people are, or
what Jen said earlier packagingit in a way that's obvious from
the get-go, that it's like, oh,I relate to this, or I connect
with this, or I understand thisis the best way to kind of get
it out.
There's no way you can forcethat to happen.
You can package your stuff tothe best of your ability and
(31:49):
then wait.
That's kind of the YouTuber-ything.
And even if you do get it, itmight be 70 30 where you get to
70 of the people some of thepeople who really connect and 30
of people just want to be thereand hate.
It's just.
But even if you're like doingstuff that's not political, by
the way, this, this goes foreverything you're still gonna
have people come in and tell youyou're terrible.
You know what I mean, so Iwouldn't worry too much about it
(32:10):
yeah you're getting close.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
You've reached a political audience, Just not the
refined one you need.
That's close.
You're not reaching farmers andthey're like what the hell is
this doing on my homepage?
You're reaching very close andYouTube is working every time
you publish to figure out how dowe get it closer.
Speaker 9 (32:31):
Yeah, that's what I thought you were going to say.
Let's just keep posting.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Pretty much pretty much.
Well, thank you so much forjoining us.
We greatly appreciate your timeand we're going to get on to
some more people.
It seems like all people arehere.
My goodness, thank you so much.
Speaker 9 (32:48):
Have a good day.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
All right.
So next up we got Creepy Chill.
What's going on?
Let's go Creepy Hello.
Hey.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
So I make videos about scary things, like talking
about the creepypastas or justsome disturbing things, and I
have just a quick question howdo I make sure?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
my videos reach the right audience.
It's funny.
I think we just kind ofanswered this.
It's packaging, jen and I.
You know I would love to hear,if you are doing creepy things,
what you think correct packagingwould be to get to the creepy
audience that you would wantyeah, this is a.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
This is a good one.
Sometimes it's in the horrorscene alone it's.
It's kind of hard when it comesto thumbnails because we want
to use dark colors, we want touse like.
Often everything is just likevery dark.
It's not like when we look atbright and light white
thumbnails.
Like those rules don't alwaysapply.
We still want to make surethings are legible, but it's
(33:48):
totally okay to lean into likethe darker, scarier elements.
Like don't be afraid to have adark thumbnail, just make sure
that it's clear and that it'slegible and that we have an
actual focus.
But I would make sure thatthumbnail looks scary.
Make it look creepy, becausesomeone who does not like creepy
is not going to click.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, I mean think we've seen a lot of these
channels on channels.
When we do the live streams onTuesdays, we see a lot of the
kind of creepy channels,whatever, and the darker kind of
imagery the better it seems toperform.
Obviously because you want toknow that, hey, I'm getting into
this creepy thing, I want tosee some creepy stuff, and I
think again, especially ifyou're first starting out, it's
going to take some time, but ifyou're making good content and
(34:33):
you're following the things thatwe try to teach you here,
either in the discord or on thepodcast or whatever, it will
eventually work.
It's just going to take sometime and, as a smaller creator,
if you're just starting out,that might mean days, weeks,
months, sometimes years, but ifyou're doing the right thing,
youtube will find the audiencethat likes your content.
Speaker 10 (34:52):
All right, likes your content, all right.
All right, we have george kayohey, hello stage this, uh,
geordie hey, geordie, oh sorrynoise, um, little background.
Speaker 8 (35:06):
Um, I'm not a content creator myself, but I'm.
I've been a video editor and inlike the past months, I've been
a channel manager, so I've beenmanaging a channel from a
VTuber and their content is verygaming related and, like in the
(35:30):
future, do like IRL content.
My main thing is I'm only justgetting back into the sort of
YouTube space and I've beenworking with, obviously, the
tags and outliers and tryinghaving a second title just in
case if, like the first titlelike doesn't perform as well.
(35:51):
They are performing somewhatwell, but they're not performing
to the point.
I kind of want it to, becausemost of them either get above 50
views or they even reach to 100.
And my most viewed one is 280views.
(36:14):
But I don't know if I'm justlooking into it too deep or I
just need to take a step back,relax and just keep going.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Well, how many videos have you guys done um?
Seven videos that passed liketwo months, okay seven, and
you're you're getting hundredsof views uh, yeah, and most like
uh.
Speaker 8 (36:45):
Four of the views are at least above 100 that's
fantastic.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
I can't think of my first seven videos I ever did,
ever getting much over 100 views.
Jen, what about you?
What were your first couplevideos?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
no, not there.
No, not at all I mean it's good, it's great.
I mean, it sounds like thingsare going really well and it
sounds like what are we talkinglike?
Once a week upload ish schedule.
Yeah, I mean, if you want tosee more results, upload twice a
week.
It sounds like you're doingthings right, it sounds like
you're getting views.
It sounds like the only thingthat's going to speed up this
(37:20):
process is more content and moredata.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Okay, yeah, I mean, look at people in the chat.
They're saying like, wow,that's good views, be proud of
that.
It's great.
Yeah, jen, like it's great.
Yeah, we've Jen, and I havetalked about this before on the
podcast.
I think it's really importantto reiterate here for those who
haven't.
So I'm glad that there's peoplewho are new here Like what's
going on?
They're in discord, they'relike I don't know what is this.
This is the.
This is the podcast which youshould be listening to.
(37:44):
Every week we do a podcast on.
We have and remember we talkedabout that episode that I one of
my favorite ones 50 views isawesome.
Yup, where we talk about howeven something like 50 views is
amazing and people just don'trecognize it.
Because they come to YouTubeand they see people with
hundreds of thousands ormillions of views and like, oh,
that's what I want, but theydon't recognize that.
If you get like 50 views, holycrap.
(38:07):
Imagine being in a room with 50people listening to what you
have to say, watching whatyou're doing.
That of being in a room with 50people listening to what you
have to say, watching whatyou're doing that's incredible.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Like yeah, that's amazing yeah, it's weird, like
if you want to break it down,it's weird it really is totally
like do you even know 50 people?
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I don't like, exactly like exactly I know you and
vicky, and that's about it.
I don't.
I don't really know anybodyelse.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I don't, I don't know anybody so if this was travis
putting showing up somewhere,he's got two people that are
coming that's right meanwhile,we're not celebrating 50 people
who decided to watch it onlinelike that's nuts yeah, well, so
it's incredible I think we needto change our mindsets about
what success is.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
because let let me tell you from my standpoint
having been through, you know,doing a content and doing a
channel myself where once upon atime, when I got 100 views, I
was like that's a successfulvideo.
And if it ever got to athousand, I'm like I'll never
have to think about that videoagain because it's beyond my
wildest expectations.
And then, later in my journey,if I didn't get a thousand views
in under an hour, it was afailure.
(39:14):
Now, what's the differencethere?
That's my mindset.
That's me thinking oh, all of asudden I'm a failure.
No, no, no.
A year ago that would have beenincredible, that would have
been unthinkable.
But I've completely crapped onmyself, thinking, oh, I'm
terrible.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
now it's true, though , and like you have to take
those times.
It's literally being mindful,like you have to look at what
you're accomplishing now andremember there was one day that
you dreamed of accomplishingthis, even if that's literally
having a youtube channel thatexists.
There was a time where you'relike I want to start a youtube
channel, I'm gonna start ayoutube channel that could be
(39:51):
celebrating the fact that youeven just started the youtube
channel yeah, and that's huge initself and then remembering,
like okay, I hope I get like 10views.
And then the next time, whenyou're feeling down and be like
remember when I was hoping Iwould get 10 views, my videos
get 50 views right now.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Like that's crazy yeah, so hopefully you're that
that puts this into into alittle bit of perspective, uh,
for when you're moving forward.
But anyway you're doing well,so just know that yeah, double
down, if you want more I do havea follow-up um about tags.
Speaker 8 (40:27):
like I'm really on the fence on tags because
ideally I want it to be rootedto just the general area of
YouTubers, because that's mainlywhere I'm going to get the most
interaction from and it'seither I'm worried about putting
(40:48):
too many tags or I'm notputting the right tags or I'm
putting too like uh, not enoughtags let's push you off the
fence, jen.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
He said he's on the fence about tags.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Let's push him off push him off, let's push him off
the fence.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
You want to push him first, or should I push him?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
oh my gosh, you can push him first.
I'll give you the honors.
Give a good push.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Don't worry about it for a number of reasons.
Like don't.
Even if you're spending morethan like 30 seconds on tags,
you're you're you're wastingyour time.
They're not relevant to the byand large things that happen on
YouTube.
Your description and title area little bit more important your
title, for sure, but mainly,mainly because what people are
going to see your thumbnailsdefinitely super important.
(41:32):
For sure, but mainly becausewhat people are going to see
your thumbnail is definitelysuper important.
I would not spend any timeworrying about tags Because,
even if you were to bescientifically amazing at it,
youtube's already told us thatthey don't really use it for
anything other than maybemisspellings.
And even if you were reallygood at that, the people that
are going to see your contentaren't going to have anything to
do with it.
When's the last time youclicked on a video because of
its tag?
Speaker 2 (41:52):
That was funny.
We actually did that.
Remember Travis, it brought uslike a side of YouTube that we
did that because we're weird.
We did that.
We're weird, it was funny.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
We have a podcast about this shenanigans.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
We've never even seen it.
We're like what is this?
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Anyway, jordan, we appreciate you so much.
Thank you so much for joiningus.
Anyway, Jordan, we appreciateyou so much.
Thank you so much for joiningus.
We actually have something thatcame up in the text here on the
side.
So again, if you're watching onthe YouTube channel, you're
like this is kind of cool.
Where do I go to this vidIQcomslash Discord?
There's a link in thedescription and if you're
listening on the audio podcast,there's a link in the show notes
.
Someone says Sarah says alsogiving us props.
(42:29):
Yeah, listen to the podcast.
It's fun and how I'm poweringthrough a whole bunch of sample
knitting.
I want to know what Travis andJen think of Canadian Smarties,
because obviously we are a candypodcast.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Um what.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I don't know that this is a different thing.
Excuse me.
Is this like Mexican Coke,where it actually is with
different ingredients and ittastes different?
Is this a thing?
Has?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
to be has to be.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
This is news to me.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Has has to be this is news to me has to be.
I'm not a winner.
I like regular Smarties.
Actually, I enjoy a good littleSmartie session here and there.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, Smarties are good.
I didn't know that there was adifferent version.
Even Haley's.
Like what?
Canada has different Smarties,Excuse me.
And then, of course, Joshtalked about.
We know this, Josh, We've heardthis before UK chocolate beats
American chocolate 10 times over.
We've heard this.
I need to eat it before I willaccept that as a fact.
Let's bring someone else up onstage.
Speaker 10 (43:15):
It's true though.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
How do you know You've?
Speaker 10 (43:18):
been over here.
Yeah, guys, I just.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Oh my gosh, uh-huh, yeah, and I will say, though,
I'm going to say this it's notcandy we have the best Red Bull
out of the entire world.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Well, we better.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
All the other Red Bull taste weird.
Speaker 10 (43:34):
Yikes, All right folks, I just want to say that
we have actually the questionfrom the chat, if that's okay
with you.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Okay, what is it?
Let's see.
Sadly, I cannot tune live, I'mnot sure.
Okay, I finally made it toconsistently over 60% retention
in the first 30 seconds, but I'mstill struggling to get 15% to
stick around to the end.
Oh, okay, I make Talking Invideos where I specifically talk
about the 2000s comedy moviesand a little bit about the
comedy movie I'm making.
What would be your biggest tipsto stronger retention?
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Now, first of all, you're not telling us how long
your videos are, which is thebiggest answer to this question
Because, quite frankly, if yourvideo is an hour long, 15 at the
end it's not bad.
If your video, I would say whatis the?
I would say what is the averageview duration too.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Yeah, but if your video is uh 45 seconds, that's
terrible.
So we don't know, like withoutknowing kind of, how long your
videos are, it's very makinghour-long videos.
So as an example, I'll even kindof look at our analytics.
You got to remember that ourpodcast channel, our videos, at
(44:42):
a minimum for any of our shows,are what like 30-something
minutes and they're 45 for thelonger stuff.
And we average like 20, almost20 minute average view durations
.
And if you look at the, theretention graph and you set it
to like relative, that'sactually fairly high for youtube
.
But the percentage of that islike what, 30 something percent
(45:03):
out of like uh, or just it'sunder 50.
You would think just by lookingat that number that's terrible,
but it's not because of thelength of the video, so it's
kind of relative.
Who do we have on stage?
Speaker 11 (45:13):
Hi, oh, hello.
Hello, I'm Peter.
I'm a medical doctor fromPoland, oh, hey, and well, I
migrated here from anothercommunity, so I'm happy to join,
but I nearly never got time toactually come here for the live
podcast because, it was alwaysinterfering with my work.
(45:34):
Oh uh, I work in clinic verylong hours.
I already scaled my polishversion of youtube channel to
over 4 000 subscribers and thenI decided to pivot for english
language and narrow down towards, uh, psychology and ai,
basically okay, and I'm tryingto aim at founders, ai founders
(45:54):
and mental healthcare.
For that reason, I'm alsopresent a lot on Twitter, but
it's very hard to manage thatwith clinical hours and I am
actually running mostly intoissue to find time to produce
content because, well, I want toproduce very high quality
content.
It takes a lot of time toprepare, like valid medical
topics with good background,research, analysis and knowing
(46:17):
that everything I say is highquality, that there are no
errors, because this is not likesomething very narrow topic
that I can talk about.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
I think I hear what you're getting at.
You're overcomplicating a lotof this.
I'm just going to stop youthere.
It's because you're a veryanalytical person.
I can tell by your answers ofeverything you've said You're
very analytical, which thankgoodness you are because you're
a doctor.
If you were not analytical andyou were just flying by the seat
of your pants and you're adoctor, we might got to take
(46:48):
your doctorate away.
All right, we might have to dothat, so I'm happy for that.
But here's what you need to doyou take a breath yeah.
I'll do that.
I'm the one who does that.
Dr Savage takes care of that.
I think you need to breathe andbefore you get ahead of
yourself, because I can feelthat like your mindset is that
of a like a million subscriberchannel, it's got all these
(47:08):
things ahead.
Yeah, you're so many steps ahead, which is not necessarily a bad
thing, because it's good tohave a goal, but in your voice
and in the things you'redescribing, I can hear you
tripping yourself up every timeyou explain the next thing.
That kind of is the things thatare in your life.
So here's my advice.
I'm going to try tooversimplify what everything you
said is, and I don't mean todisrespect everything you've
(47:30):
explained, but I feel it throughwhat you're saying Start just
creating for the time being andjust for a little while I'm not
saying forever, just for alittle while fun videos that you
enjoy making and watching justfor a little while.
Get in love with the contentcreation portion of it and then,
(47:50):
once you've done that for awhile, go back in the analytics
and then go back to the commentsand think and kind of consider
did this work?
And if it did work, there'syour answer.
If it didn't work, then youshould.
Speaker 11 (48:04):
One thing, one difference, because I don't aim
for numbers, I want high tierconsultations from high end
right, I didn't say numbers.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
I didn't say no target, yeah, but I didn't say
numbers.
You'll notice.
Speaker 11 (48:19):
I didn't say no, I have like professional studio
and setup which is like nearly200 kilometers from where I work
, because like salaries differ alot around, uh.
So I have a dedicated studioand literally location for
recording that I am there likeonce a week or twice a week.
So I can't like do itspontaneously.
No, no, I'm not sayingspontaneous.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
So you have to listen to the words I'm using, because
I'm being very specific.
I'm not saying be spontaneous.
I'm not saying try to get bigviews.
I didn't say any of that, andthe fact that you heard that, I
think, really shows where yourmind is which is not in a bad
place, by the way not a badplace.
You're very YouTuber minded,but I'm asking you to step back
from that.
I want you to enjoy the processfirst and then, once you figure
(49:01):
out, like if what you didworked, do more of that thing.
It sounds like you're like.
You have editors, you have astudio, you have so many amazing
things that most of the peoplehere in chat would like kill for
, but I don't think you needthat right now.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, operating at a level that's not necessary.
Speaker 11 (49:20):
But for me like to put out a video.
I need to be content with it.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
I love what you're saying.
I think what you, what you'retrying to accomplish, is very
admirable, and I think that it'simportant to always reach your
own standard.
But sometimes analysis,paralysis, is just one of those
things that keeps you frommoving forward, and I really
hope that you can find the thingthat you want and find the
(49:44):
success that you feel you need.
And again, we've talked aboutwhat does success even mean?
It doesn't mean lots of views,it just means whatever it means
to you, which is what I think hewas saying.
All right, last person up, whodo we got hey?
Speaker 3 (49:57):
my question would be that recently I've been focusing
on quantity over quality andthat has really been burning me
out and not getting really soI'm just thinking should I
choose to make more high qualityand more ideal videos?
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Yeah, we did the quality versus quantity episode
just recently, and this is thething that's always going to
come up because it's anevergreen problem.
It's should I make?
Should I spend a whole bunch oftime on one video or just a
bunch of small videos?
Where do you land on this?
Speaker 2 (50:35):
I think the answer is both.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
It can be both.
So here's here's the thing.
Youtube is also a numbers game.
So the more shots you take ongoal, the more opportunity you
have to score.
If you only do one big videoand it doesn't go anywhere, then
however long you let's say youdo one video a month and it's
the big swing and it doesn't goanywhere, then however long you
let's say you do one video amonth and it's the big swing and
(50:58):
it doesn't go anywhere, thenyou've lost an entire month of
potential for other decentvideos.
Where, and Jen, how many timeshas this happened to you?
The one you don't think isgoing to go anywhere goes
everywhere.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Every time, it's always.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
Pretty much, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
It's not every time, but it's say it's the opposite.
It's the one you think is goingto go somewhere and it's like
wah wah.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah, yeah.
So the quantity quality thingis a never-ending question that
I think we're going to see,probably for the rest of time
and there's no definitive answer, but there's always the fact
that there's got to be a mix.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Mix it.
Why not both?
It has to be a mix.
Mix it, please.
Why not both?
You know there's.
It has to be both, though,because if you're never pushing
yourself to make better content,what are you doing?
Yeah, yeah and if you're alwaysjust like putting out okay
content at a rapid like paceyeah people are gonna stop
watching.
There has to be.
You have to incorporate both insome way.
And whatever that ratio is toyou is different, but you got to
(51:59):
push at some point.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Yeah, so for everyone listening to the podcast, we
hope that you've enjoyed it.
Everyone here in discord.
We're going to come back.
We love talking to y'all.
It's been lots of fun.
Of course, you can hit thatsubscribe button If you're
watching on YouTube, if you'relistening to the audio podcast.
What is it, jen?
What do we tell them they haveto do every time?
Speaker 2 (52:16):
five stars, only, it's only five stars only five
stars.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Uh, we greatly appreciate you for joining us
and we'll see you in the nextone.
Welcome back to the only podcast that wants to talk
to you in person whenever we can.
I'm Travis and I'm here withJen.
Hi it's so exciting because Jenand I are in the middle.
If you're watching the YouTubechannel, you know that we're in
the middle of these studioepisodes that we did, which was
so much fun.
Jen, it was good seeing youagain.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
So much fun.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
We're going to take a break from those just to do
this episode.
This episode is one with you,the community.
We love the community so much.
We actually have a discordvidIQcom slash discord which is
a free piece of software whereyou can hang out with other
creators just like you, andwe're going to go in there and
we're going to have an episode.
We're going to do an entireepisode talking to people in the
discord.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Exciting stuff right, join the vidIQ.
Let's go Now.
What's interesting?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
is in that discord.
Jen, we tried something,something new.
We're trying something crazyokay, okay you know, we always
do emails yeah what if we didwould end text and now in
discord voice calls?
What if we did video questions?
Why are you laughing?
(01:00):
I think it's an idea I thinkidea.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I think it's a fun idea.
I think it opens the door toendless possibilities.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Oh my gosh.
And.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I'm here for it.
Well, let's watch.
We have two, let's do Okay.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
Let's see what we got .
Okay, let's get into this.
First time ever.
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Oy vey.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
Won't anything go wrong.
Hello, I'm Prant.
I'm a gaming content creator.
I make videos about lore andguides for the games I play.
One of the biggest issues I'mfacing- Hold on, hold on pause.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
This Did he just like .
Come at us right with astraight hook.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I love that he did that.
This means this is a realcontent creator.
This is a legitimate 100%YouTuber.
This is a legitimate 100%YouTuber.
Imagine going to a restaurantgoing, I'm here hungry and I
would like food.
You don't even get.
You don't care what thewaitress's name is, You're just
like give me the food now,because I'm a hungry.
Youtuber and the captions thecaptions are fire it's captioned
(01:58):
oh my God.
I want to be clear.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
This is visually amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I want to be clear.
This is not a YouTube videowe're taking.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
This is a literal video question to us.
No, someone made this.
This is the level of effort weexpect moving forward.
There's no questions.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
No, this is it.
You got to do this or not?
All right, let's get back tothis question guides for the
games I play.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
One of the biggest issues I'm facing during making
videos is making a goodstoryline where a viewer could
watch the video till the endwithout getting bored,
especially in gaming niche.
It's very hard to do so and Ipersonally believe editing well
enough hasn't gotten me to theexpected results, so I hope I
can get the answer to this one.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Thank you very much, amazing first of all, you're
editing this fire.
We just watched it the fireedit right.
So, um, this is a good question,though this goes back to, like,
retention.
We just did, um a video aboutretention graphs and stuff right
, and we did talk a little bitabout how to get retention up,
but what there's, what thisperson specifically saying, is
that he can't give people to theend.
(03:00):
He's not necessarily talkingabout the middle or even the
beginning.
He's like, look, I need peopleto watch this thing all the way
through.
Um, let's talk about therealities of that and then
quickly kind of give him sometips.
So what are the realities ofpeople watching to the end, jen?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
it's not high, it's not probable you're not wrong,
that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I mean, I mean, what do you think like?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I mean there's to obviously be people who watch to
the end, but when we're talkingabout the masses, I mean very
rarely do we see an average viewduration of 50% of a video.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Right, Depending on the length.
Depending on the length ofcourse.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, well, okay, let's say we're talking good
length, long video.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
We're not.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
We're not seeing numbers that are like that.
So obviously a skilled editor,this feels like a fun challenge.
Yeah, this feels like a funchallenge for someone who's
obviously very creative to watchthat content and like, when are
you clicking off?
I do this with my own contentall the time.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
You should.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I watch and like I've clicking off.
I do this with my own contentall the time.
You should.
I watch and like I've seen athousand times.
But you have to like separatesomething you have like I guess
you have to be a little bitmentally unhinged to be a
youtuber.
You have to snap that thing inyour brain where you're watching
it for the first time andyou're like, wow, I've never
seen this before.
I didn't edit it, I didn't makeit.
When am I clicking off?
When am I looking away from thescreen?
When am I picking up my phone?
(04:25):
When am I literally doinganything else?
Get rid of that moment.
I don't think it's about likechanging the whole story all of
the time.
It's.
It's definitely comes down torefinement and and they know
that, but they might not berefining the right parts- and
also what's the payoff.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
what am I waiting for at the end?
Is it going to be more of thesame, of what I've already seen?
If it's more of the same, I'vealready seen it, I don't need to
wait for the end.
But if it's the climax of avideo, like everything is
building up to the end, that'show you get people to watch the
end.
As a matter of fact, in thislast episode that we did where
we were in the studio, I showeda screenshot of my retention
graph of the video that I wastalking about in the podcast,
(05:04):
where I had like an 80%retention at the end of the last
like 15 seconds of the video,and the reason I did that is I
had a payoff at the end.
So it's not easy to do andagain, the longer the video is,
the harder it is.
But if you have a longer video,I always tell all my clients
listen, 40% retention at the endof the last 15 seconds, we're
good.
This again, again, applies tofive minute and over videos.
(05:25):
But always reach for higherthan what you are Now.
Here's what's funny.
That was the end of retentiongraphs.
The next question is literallythe opposite.
Let's watch this question.
This is kind of great.
Another video questionsubmitted by one of the people
in the Discord.
You have to be in the Discordto submit these questions by
video.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
So let's check it out .
Hi Jen and Travis, I'm Haley.
My retention drop-off is about50% within that first 30 seconds
of my videos, so how do I fixthat?
For the most part for my videos, it feels like I get to the
point, but still, how do I fixmy retention within that first
30 seconds?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Thank you so common first 30 seconds, thank you, so
common, so common and such agenuine concern for so many
people.
By the way, aren't our creator,uh, viewers and listeners like
the best ever?
They edit their videos.
It's not a big um and office.
Both of them were edited.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I did not expect this , literally I thought people
were like shot on location, likenot with an iphone, like what's
up guys?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
bro.
No, and it's.
It's edited like the ums andahs are edited out.
It's just right to the point.
This is a standard of videoquestions we want from this
point forward.
Don't give us these long 10minutes.
These are perfect.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
So you will always have a drop at the beginning of
your video, no matter who youare, but she's specifically
talking about 50, which is a bigdrop, yeah, but we're also
talking 30 seconds, though, andwe don't know what 30 seconds
means to her content.
The only thing we know 30seconds means is to youtube, and
I don't know why they're evenstill doing that.
Right doesn't mean anything,right, just there.
(07:00):
So I would identify what youractual retention is at your hook
.
What is your hook?
What is your retention afteryour one sentence, two sentences
to open up your video?
Boom, that's your actualretention.
Drop right there.
What is your drop then?
From after your hook now to theintro of your video or getting
into the content.
(07:20):
Is there a lull that's too longthere.
Are you not actually gettinginto it fast enough?
This is the segment that is, Ifeel like the danger zone when
we think about opening retention.
Like you can have a killer hookand not give yourself credit
for being like holy crap, I havelike 85 retention after I just
said two sentences.
People are like let's go.
And then what are you doingafter that?
(07:42):
That's where we can see therest of this retention drop,
because maybe you do need toactually just get in right after
the hook.
Maybe you'll have anopportunity for more of an intro
.
Maybe you promise something soawesome in that hook that people
are like let's go right.
And then you proceeded to talka little bit more I love that.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Um, another reason for potential drops very early
on is your thumbnail and titledoesn't match what your intro is
like.
Your thumbnail title promisedme a mr b's video and then back
to the basics mtm is walking inwith the sewing and, and I
expected this amazing thing andI'm like no, this isn't it chief
.
This ain't it?
Um, we talked about about thehover thing.
That in the last pot and one ofthe last podcast episodes where
(08:27):
I said I hover to see what theintro is, cause I don't even
trust your thumbnail on title.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I was trust Nobody.
He's not liking anything, he'strusted Nobody.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
No, I'm hovering son Jen Meanwhile like, and
everything she watched hit thatlike, like like, Subscribe like.
If you don't know what we'retalking about, that's in the
last episode.
You got to go back and watch it, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Does it pass Travis's hover test?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Listen, I'm going to patent that.
I'm going to copyright that.
That was great.
Does it pass the Travis patent?
Look, the hover test is real Ifyou don't know what we're
talking about last episode.
But this episode is excitingbecause we're to you other
creators and viewers just likeyou in Discord, jen.
Let's go over there right nowand now.
We are here in Discord vidIQcom, slash Discord.
(09:10):
If you've never been herebefore, you should check it out.
Tons of creators, including theones that will be coming up on
stage today.
Jen, this is fun.
We've done this before.
We're going to do it again.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I'm super excited and I'd say I'd love for the second
time to go even smoother, but Idoubt it.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
You'd have a technical difficulty at the end.
But listen, I think I fixedeverything on my side, so we're
just going to have fun.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
No, it's always going to be something.
It's always.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
This is true.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
That's technology.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
This is true.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
That's the podcast.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
It's the unfortunate reality of of what's going on on
and in technology, um.
But again, if, uh, you'relistening to the podcast or
watching on youtube, feel free,uh, to join at vidiqcom slash
discord, where you can come anddo all the crazy cool things.
All right, let's see if we canget someone up.
Looks like we have one personrequesting to come up.
I don't think you need to shareyour screen, vicky.
I don't think you need to shareyour screen.
Speaker 10 (10:04):
Vicki, I don't think so.
No, I mean the person whorequested.
I just wanted to give a quickdisclaimer that the Boost and
one-on-one coaching users have apriority to jump on stage and I
don't know who you see.
I don't see a single personraising a hand.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I guess they put it down.
Speaker 10 (10:25):
So that's why I wanted to offer you guys to
start with pre-selectedquestions, and that's why I
decided to share my screen.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So let's start with one of the pre-selected
questions.
We have one here from KCL andit's art.
It's one big, long word.
I'm a full-time artist sellingpaintings and art prints.
I have a decent following onInstagram and a newsletter that
I use to show behind the scenesand let people know when I have
new work available.
I recently started a YouTubechannel and I'm excited to add
it to the mix in order to builda community.
My question is since I have anaudience on other platforms,
(10:53):
should I start sharing the videowith them as soon as I post it?
My immediate thought is ofcourse they'll like to see this
too.
I share it, boost in viewsright away, and I definitely
have feelings on this.
I'm sure you have feelings onthis too, Jen.
Let's talk a little bit aboutsharing your content when you
(11:13):
have a following elsewhere, notjust on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
It's a I feel like it's such a frequent question,
this is a popular one, I thinkin this instance I would say
share, like you have an audiencefor what you're already doing.
Whether they want to watch iton YouTube is another question,
but I feel like this is one ofthe instances where you won't
really see an issue with thealgorithm because people that
(11:40):
will click over are interested.
Like it is your target audiencefrom another place, and we see
this success a lot of times withTikTok coming over to YouTube.
But this gets like sketchy whenyou just have more of a
personal account and you're likehey, everybody watch my YouTube
video.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
What do you think?
Watch my YouTube video.
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
What do you think?
So I have always said, you know, share it wherever, but you
should share it in the nativeformat of wherever you're
sharing it.
So that might mean re-uploadingon Instagram or whatever,
rather than sending a link.
There's a couple reasons forthis no-transcript Instagram to
(12:35):
be on Instagram.
I don't want to go to YouTubeif I'm on Instagram, so it's
usually kind of hard to bringpeople over in that way.
So putting it in a nativeformat on that particular
platform is another way to growyourself.
It's not going to grow yourYouTube channel directly, but
that maybe is not the point here.
Having said that, I had ToddBupre from YouTube on a while
back and he just encouragespeople to share it everywhere
(12:56):
and to let people know,especially if you're a smaller
channel, to get more informationabout your video out to YouTube
so it understands who's goingto enjoy that video more.
Thus, share it to other peoplewho maybe aren't even aware of
your channel.
Sharing is not a bad thing.
I think you just need toconsider the pros and cons of
that.
If you got it, share it.
(13:17):
If you got it, flaunt it,flaunt it.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Flaunt those links.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Pump them links out.
Do you have anyone who who wantthose links the?
Yeah, pump them links out.
Do you have anyone who wants tocome up on stagy?
That's the french way of sayingstage hi I am hayley.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Hey, hayley, how you doing?
Hi, hayley, I'm good, how areyou guys?
Speaker 1 (13:36):
very good.
What's good?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I'm sorry if you can hear stuff in the background,
but I've got my littlest kidwith me so he's doing stuff very
nice, oh cute uh, so I amliterally editing a video right
now.
Uh, I am also an artist, sothis is another art channel
question very cool so the videothat I'm working on is an art
(13:59):
challenge video where I create achildren's book in 24 hours.
So I recorded the whole thingand I have all my footage of me
making it and it's just me andmy iPad basically.
So I'm having some likecreative block on what I can add
for B-roll, since I alreadyrecorded the whole thing.
(14:19):
Like, what do you guys think ofme just recreating those tense
moments while I'm doing thechallenge?
Like does that make sense?
Would that be interesting topeople I don't even know?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Like the behind the scenes Did you?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
record yourself doing it.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Yeah, so I recorded myself for the duration of like
making this book in 24 hours,but I didn't like vary my shot
very much at that point becauseI was just working on my iPad
making it.
So I was like drawing thepictures and like writing the
story and stuff did you screenrecord like the iPad uh, yeah,
so I I do like a top-downrecording of me working on my
(14:58):
iPad.
Wait why do we have all of thatfootage but it it's like super
boring.
So I want to add some like isit boring, Interesting stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Who says it's boring Well, me.
Well, my retention says it'sboring don't know if more b-roll
is really what you need here.
Maybe, when I think about it,the way you're explaining it,
I'm thinking we need to refinethe amount of you creating to
(15:33):
tell the story.
Um, there is so much power insmall clips like it's really
just for context.
If this is to actually watch,you create this, which you know
it doesn't feel like it is,because it is the challenge of
the 24 hours and the goal is canyou create it?
Not necessarily like what?
How teach me what you're doing?
(15:55):
Let me watch the whole process,like this is for fun.
Um, I, if you feel like it'sboring and you feel like
retention is not there, cutthose moments down where you're
actually showing the screenrecording and have them be
honestly, half of the time thatyou even have edited now, and I
bet you will feel differentlyabout that.
I don't think it comes down tovariation.
(16:17):
I think it comes down to havingan editor's eye when you're
watching and realizing maybethis is an entire segment that I
actually cut out.
Maybe this entire portion ofthe middle isn't even important
because I wasn't facing any typeof problem or difficulty, and
then maybe the real importantthing is troubleshooting
something or something was wrongwith the iPad, or we want to
(16:39):
focus on the story elements here, less on the creative elements,
because the goal is this story,so more people are interested
in the story, not the actualbook in this instance.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Right.
Okay.
Yeah, so like I made like avoiceover of all of like my
storytelling and so now I'm likecutting down everything to fit
like this flow of the story.
So that's where I'm at.
It's just, you know, I'm likecutting down everything to fit
like this flow of a story.
So that's where I'm at.
It's just, you know, I'm tryingyou know I'm probably
overthinking like making thislook cool and like like I'm a
(17:13):
professional.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
For sure, we all do, it's not just you.
We all overthink all of ourcontent choices.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Also, I think, like there's, there's a bucket for
everything.
We always talk about buckets onthe, on the show, as I'm sure
you know, um, and this could beone of those buckets for, like
your community to, to deepenyour connection with your
community, cause it's not justabout, it's not always about
views, right, it's not alwaysabout getting the most amount of
views, seems that way, but Ithink most people would love to
have a community as well.
(17:40):
And, um, when you have bignumbers of views, the vast
majority of those views arepeople who don't necessarily
know you and they're juststopping by.
Maybe it was promoted on theirhome feed or whatever, and maybe
they won't come back.
The video like you're describingwould definitely be for people
who are already interested inwhat you're into and, even if it
doesn't quote perform.
Well, that doesn't mean it'snot deepening a connection with
(18:01):
your audience.
I mean, we do this all the timehere on the boost, or I should
say, uh, the vid I get podcastchannel, and what's interesting
is, um, there's an episodethat's going to come out I don't
know if it's gonna come outbefore this episode goes live or
after where Jen and I um, theoriginal take of it was things
we like about YouTube and it'skind of more about us.
You kind of get to know usbetter.
(18:21):
But then we kind of turned itinto a hot takes type episode.
But it all started out withjust things about me and Jen and
we know that may not perform ashigh, but we don't care because
we're trying to make this deepconnection with our community.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Well, I I'd connect with that, so I'm going to watch
that one.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Nice Wait Haley.
How much content are youconsuming for these 24-hour
challenges outside of like yourniche?
Speaker 4 (18:49):
can you ask that question again?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
I'm sorry, how, how many um doing blank in 24 hours
type videos have you watchedoutside of your niche?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
um every 24-hour video outside, like every
24-hour video I've watched hasbeen ones outside of my niche.
There was one that was justyeah, it's all been outside my
niche.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I think, like mid edit, a good exercise could be
to watch those with a veryintentional editing eye take a
break from your editing and lookat how little they've edited
the process into those stylevideos and then return to your
edit and be like, okay, theydidn't have six extra angles,
they didn't have three camerasset up and watch.
(19:36):
Watch with an editing eyebecause you watched with your
creative eye before, but I wouldsay, watch with an editing eye
and you will feel so much moreconfident about your content,
the way that it is right now,because it's so easy to get
wrapped up and watch from.
Watch from all over.
Also, this is like a form oftorture.
That we can't watch Hayley'svideo right now.
(19:57):
Like this is torture.
It's like making.
I'm like Hayley.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Show me the video well, the other element to it is
I have my kids choose everyelement to the story, so I don't
get to choose what it's thebest.
That's cool, oh my god, it'sfun for me.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
So, whether it performs or not, my, my kids
helped me and that was fun,that's amazing it should feel
fun, then that is what I wouldsay go into the editing with is
like this should feel fun.
Don't think about in.
I would say go into the editingwith is like this should feel
fun.
Don't think about it in termsof retention.
Think about is this justflowing from the next fun thing
to the next fun thing?
Are you watching this andsmiling?
There could be so little aboutthe actual creation of this
(20:37):
involved at this point.
There's so many good elementsthat are interesting yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I love this.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Haley, can you send us the video after elements that
are interesting?
Yeah, I love this, hayley canyou send us the video after.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Can you, yeah, when you leave a comment or whatever,
uh, on the youtube channel orwhatever, send it to us.
We would love to check it outnow.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
We're very curious okay, I will thank you amazing,
nice to talk to you you too.
Thank you so much um and again.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
If you're listening to the podcast you're like who
are these people?
They are people, the people ofdiscord of like.
Remember the people of Walmart,the people of discord.
Do you remember the people ofWalmart website?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, no, I used to have a ripoff calendar like a
daily calendar.
That was the.
It was like Walmartians.
And every day was like a thedate and a hilarious photo of a
Walmartian.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Well, we got another people of discord.
Uh, who are we talking to?
Speaker 5 (21:25):
hi, I'm gara hey gara hi gara um.
So I make pokemon videos mainlyaround shiny hunting, which is
different colored pokemon cooland one thing I've noticed in my
niche is that it seems like tohelp with the content creation
part.
Basically all of my othercompetitors co-creators will
(21:53):
stream either on Twitch or onYouTube mostly on Twitch and I
guess my question is, if Idecide to go down that route,
how should I decide betweenwhether I stream on YouTube or I
try and stream on Twitch?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I would ask why do you feel like you have to choose
one or the other?
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I don't think my internet speed can handle it at
this moment streaming to both.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
So have you tried something like Restream, where
you're only streaming to onething but it sends it out to
everywhere else?
I've not, so that's a serviceyou can use.
Or StreamYard same thing, whereyou're only sending your stream
to one platform but it thensends that stream out to
multiple platforms so you canmulti-stream using the same
amount of bandwidth as if youwere sending it to one place.
(22:37):
I think if you're just startingout, there's no reason to not
be as many places as possible sopeople can find you.
It's hard in a lot of ways, as asmaller creator or a smaller
streamer, to be found and to putall your eggs in one basket or
the other.
It's not necessarily a terriblething, because then you can
really kind of go out.
But, quite frankly, if I wereto do it, I'm going everywhere.
(22:58):
I'm not I'm giving everyone achance, because what happens if
you really go?
Okay, I'm really in on thistwitch thing, I'm going hardcore
on that and it just doesn'thappen.
But in that same amount of timeyou spent on twitch, it would
have worked on youtube.
You don't want to not find outtill it's too late.
You want to give it your bestshot everywhere as fast as you
possibly can Makes sense.
So I would look into somethinglike Restream or StreamYard, and
(23:21):
again, that'll allow you tostream to one platform and then
it'll send it, I think, up to 10.
It's crazy, it's wild.
Anything else.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
No, I think that's it .
Thank you Amazing.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Happy to be here to help.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I think I saw someone say that.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Happy to chime in there.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I think I saw someone say that they call themselves
Discordians.
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, I saw that too.
It sounds so regal.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
We have the, I think very famous edgar allen pooh.
What's going on?
Speaker 9 (23:58):
hey guys, um, I before I last year I posted a
few shorts comedy related, orthere are comedy and um.
I stopped posting because I wasI quit my job and I was burnt
out from work and recently Istarted posting again.
I did.
(24:19):
I don't want to just focus onshorts, I want to my main to be
long form and I'm posting onother platforms as well, but I
want my YouTube to be my focus,but and just repurpose some of
the content to be shorts as welland then some that are like
(24:40):
made to be shorts.
So, but my content, like before, it was just, like you know,
more random, kind of funny stuff, but some of, and right now I
want to create series and rightnow I want to create series, and
one of the series that Icreated and that I have posted
is um, like a comedy talk showwith sketches, uh, built in, and
(25:05):
it's um, yeah, mainly liketalking about like political
issues and more so focused inCanada, uh, but like referencing
US as well, and I'm gettinglike a lot of the wrong people
watching and negative feedback.
(25:26):
It's like I some of it, I think,is people older people who
won't get my sense of humor, butalso who people who disagree
with me, um, and you know,clicking off or uh down, voting
or leaving negative comments, um, it's just like, and I tried
(25:48):
adding more tags and and I wasthinking like, oh, it would,
maybe this one would like bringin some more because it's more,
maybe this one would bring insome more because it's more
progressive views.
It would bring in moreprogressive views if I add these
tags.
But that was after it stoppedpushing my videos.
So, for the next round of thenext full episode, what should I
(26:09):
do?
Because, also, it's not theonly my channel's, not all
political?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
So your last video was political.
Speaker 9 (26:19):
It was like a longer video with like a talk show and
then it had like sketches builtin and then I posted those
sketches separately as well.
That was political.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, I think what was the title.
Oh, that's a good one.
Speaker 9 (26:33):
What's the which one?
Speaker 2 (26:35):
What was the title?
Oh, that's a good one.
Which one?
What was the title of thepolitical?
Speaker 9 (26:38):
video, the longer, full-length one.
It was Canadian election andTrump threats Boom.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, so here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Here's the thing no matter what side of the fence
you are on any of the thingsthat are going on politically,
what side of the fence you areon, any of the things that are
going on politically, you can'tspeak about any of it without
having some people come in andnot be nice.
I mean, that's it, and the thingabout it's strange.
We live in a time now where youcan literally compliment
someone and someone from thatsame side of the fence will
still say something bad aboutyou.
(27:09):
We live in a very strange time,strange time, and you just have
to understand that religion,politics and I don't know what
else you could even put, butreligion and politics are two
big ones are so divisive thatyou either have to have a tough
skin and just kind of barrelthrough it if you think it's
important enough to your content, or you might just have to look
at it and go.
Maybe this isn't for me, and Iwill say that you can get big
(27:32):
views doing what you're talkingabout.
You can continue to do it, butyou will have people like that
pop up.
Jen, what do you think aboutall this?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I think in this instance it comes down to the
packaging and the expectationyou're setting for the video.
Because if these are funny likewhen I hear that title that
doesn't sound funny.
And then you have people whoare clicking in, thinking this
is like we're talking politics,and then on top of that they
don't understand your humor.
So now you've just kind of likeirritated somebody, and of
(28:03):
course that's not your fault,they're irritated themselves.
But I think this also comesdown to setting the expectations
.
Like if this is funny, likehave funny titles, have funny
thumbnails, like this is wherepeople are going to click in and
be like oh my God, politics.
Like I'm big into politics, Icould use some humor.
Let's make fun of people Idon't like.
Speaker 9 (28:23):
The ones that are like cut down, just the sketches
those are.
I mean, all the characters areme, so it's just like an image
from there.
But like I after it stoppedpushing it, I edited the
thumbnail more to make it likestand out more, but it is like I
(28:58):
don't know how.
I feel like it's probablyevident that it's not serious
for the broken down sketches forthe main one to try to
communicate that I have like metalking in the center and like
normal me and then like imagesof like the uh thumbnails of the
of a few of the sketches.
So I don't know if that'scommunicating it or not.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I would continue to lead it hard if you feel like
there's any type of question.
Remember we want titles andthumbnails to be so, so obvious,
like for kindergartners.
So if you want to put moresarcastic humor into the title,
if you want to, you know, havelike literally the most
ridiculous title that's going toalign with you and these
(29:30):
different characters on thethumbnail, then go for it.
I would say lean in.
It feels like we're playing itsafe in the title and having a
little bit fun on the thumbnailand it might be creating some
confusion.
Obviously this is just kind oflike one off, but I am a firm
believer in use your personalityto your advantage and your
titles and thumbnails, Becausewe are so past the days of
(29:54):
templatized titles andthumbnails and people are bored
of it and if you're addingsomething fun to something that
is so serious, I would say justgo like all out and then do it
again.
And do it again and staypatient and try to look past a
hateful comment, set up filtersif you feel like it's getting
out of control and really justjust go for it yeah, I, I the
(30:21):
broken down ones um.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Afterwards I changed the thumbnails, I did add some
text silly text to some of themyeah, I think it was already I
think, ultimately, you just haveto know we learn this as
creators like there's certaincontent you make that will just
invite people who are just to bethere to be hateful to your
content, and it's part of beinga content creator.
(30:43):
In one way, it definitely showsthat A you're hitting a nerve
which definitely can lead tomore views, whether it's good or
bad that only means they'refunny yeah yeah, yeah, but
definitely make sure that, like,you're checking in with your
own mental health and if it'ssomething you think you can see
yourself doing more of, becauseultimately, um, if you continue
to do content that's kind of onthat, on that ledge, you might
(31:05):
end up, uh, with more of that.
Speaker 9 (31:07):
so, yeah, um, what like?
How do I get the like I getthat it's gonna?
You know, there'll be peoplewho don't agree with me and
they'll stumble upon it.
How do I get it to more of thepeople who would enjoy it,
because I feel like it's not forthem?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
So it's one of two things Either time because
YouTube will eventually figureout who those people are, or
what Jen said earlier packagingit in a way that's obvious from
the get-go, that it's like, oh,I relate to this, or I connect
with this, or I understand thisis the best way to kind of get
it out.
There's no way you can forcethat to happen.
You can package your stuff tothe best of your ability and
(31:49):
then wait.
That's kind of the YouTuber-ything.
And even if you do get it, itmight be 70 30 where you get to
70 of the people some of thepeople who really connect and 30
of people just want to be thereand hate.
It's just.
But even if you're like doingstuff that's not political, by
the way, this, this goes foreverything you're still gonna
have people come in and tell youyou're terrible.
You know what I mean, so Iwouldn't worry too much about it
(32:10):
yeah you're getting close.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
You've reached a political audience, Just not the
refined one you need.
That's close.
You're not reaching farmers andthey're like what the hell is
this doing on my homepage?
You're reaching very close andYouTube is working every time
you publish to figure out how dowe get it closer.
Speaker 9 (32:31):
Yeah, that's what I thought you were going to say.
Let's just keep posting.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Pretty much pretty much.
Well, thank you so much forjoining us.
We greatly appreciate your timeand we're going to get on to
some more people.
It seems like all people arehere.
My goodness, thank you so much.
Speaker 9 (32:48):
Have a good day.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
All right.
So next up we got Creepy Chill.
What's going on?
Let's go Creepy Hello.
Hey.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
So I make videos about scary things, like talking
about the creepypastas or justsome disturbing things, and I
have just a quick question howdo I make sure?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
my videos reach the right audience.
It's funny.
I think we just kind ofanswered this.
It's packaging, jen and I.
You know I would love to hear,if you are doing creepy things,
what you think correct packagingwould be to get to the creepy
audience that you would wantyeah, this is a.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
This is a good one.
Sometimes it's in the horrorscene alone it's.
It's kind of hard when it comesto thumbnails because we want
to use dark colors, we want touse like.
Often everything is just likevery dark.
It's not like when we look atbright and light white
thumbnails.
Like those rules don't alwaysapply.
We still want to make surethings are legible, but it's
(33:48):
totally okay to lean into likethe darker, scarier elements.
Like don't be afraid to have adark thumbnail, just make sure
that it's clear and that it'slegible and that we have an
actual focus.
But I would make sure thatthumbnail looks scary.
Make it look creepy, becausesomeone who does not like creepy
is not going to click.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, I mean think we've seen a lot of these
channels on channels.
When we do the live streams onTuesdays, we see a lot of the
kind of creepy channels,whatever, and the darker kind of
imagery the better it seems toperform.
Obviously because you want toknow that, hey, I'm getting into
this creepy thing, I want tosee some creepy stuff, and I
think again, especially ifyou're first starting out, it's
going to take some time, but ifyou're making good content and
(34:33):
you're following the things thatwe try to teach you here,
either in the discord or on thepodcast or whatever, it will
eventually work.
It's just going to take sometime and, as a smaller creator,
if you're just starting out,that might mean days, weeks,
months, sometimes years, but ifyou're doing the right thing,
youtube will find the audiencethat likes your content.
Speaker 10 (34:52):
All right, likes your content, all right.
All right, we have george kayohey, hello stage this, uh,
geordie hey, geordie, oh sorrynoise, um, little background.
Speaker 8 (35:06):
Um, I'm not a content creator myself, but I'm.
I've been a video editor and inlike the past months, I've been
a channel manager, so I've beenmanaging a channel from a
VTuber and their content is verygaming related and, like in the
(35:30):
future, do like IRL content.
My main thing is I'm only justgetting back into the sort of
YouTube space and I've beenworking with, obviously, the
tags and outliers and tryinghaving a second title just in
case if, like the first titlelike doesn't perform as well.
(35:51):
They are performing somewhatwell, but they're not performing
to the point.
I kind of want it to, becausemost of them either get above 50
views or they even reach to 100.
And my most viewed one is 280views.
(36:14):
But I don't know if I'm justlooking into it too deep or I
just need to take a step back,relax and just keep going.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Well, how many videos have you guys done um?
Seven videos that passed liketwo months, okay seven, and
you're you're getting hundredsof views uh, yeah, and most like
uh.
Speaker 8 (36:45):
Four of the views are at least above 100 that's
fantastic.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
I can't think of my first seven videos I ever did,
ever getting much over 100 views.
Jen, what about you?
What were your first couplevideos?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
no, not there.
No, not at all I mean it's good, it's great.
I mean, it sounds like thingsare going really well and it
sounds like what are we talkinglike?
Once a week upload ish schedule.
Yeah, I mean, if you want tosee more results, upload twice a
week.
It sounds like you're doingthings right, it sounds like
you're getting views.
It sounds like the only thingthat's going to speed up this
(37:20):
process is more content and moredata.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Okay, yeah, I mean, look at people in the chat.
They're saying like, wow,that's good views, be proud of
that.
It's great.
Yeah, jen, like it's great.
Yeah, we've Jen, and I havetalked about this before on the
podcast.
I think it's really importantto reiterate here for those who
haven't.
So I'm glad that there's peoplewho are new here Like what's
going on?
They're in discord, they'relike I don't know what is this.
This is the.
This is the podcast which youshould be listening to.
(37:44):
Every week we do a podcast on.
We have and remember we talkedabout that episode that I one of
my favorite ones 50 views isawesome.
Yup, where we talk about howeven something like 50 views is
amazing and people just don'trecognize it.
Because they come to YouTubeand they see people with
hundreds of thousands ormillions of views and like, oh,
that's what I want, but theydon't recognize that.
If you get like 50 views, holycrap.
(38:07):
Imagine being in a room with 50people listening to what you
have to say, watching whatyou're doing.
That of being in a room with 50people listening to what you
have to say, watching whatyou're doing that's incredible.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Like yeah, that's amazing yeah, it's weird, like
if you want to break it down,it's weird it really is totally
like do you even know 50 people?
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I don't like, exactly like exactly I know you and
vicky, and that's about it.
I don't.
I don't really know anybodyelse.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I don't, I don't know anybody so if this was travis
putting showing up somewhere,he's got two people that are
coming that's right meanwhile,we're not celebrating 50 people
who decided to watch it onlinelike that's nuts yeah, well, so
it's incredible I think we needto change our mindsets about
what success is.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
because let let me tell you from my standpoint
having been through, you know,doing a content and doing a
channel myself where once upon atime, when I got 100 views, I
was like that's a successfulvideo.
And if it ever got to athousand, I'm like I'll never
have to think about that videoagain because it's beyond my
wildest expectations.
And then, later in my journey,if I didn't get a thousand views
in under an hour, it was afailure.
(39:14):
Now, what's the differencethere?
That's my mindset.
That's me thinking oh, all of asudden I'm a failure.
No, no, no.
A year ago that would have beenincredible, that would have
been unthinkable.
But I've completely crapped onmyself, thinking, oh, I'm
terrible.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
now it's true, though , and like you have to take
those times.
It's literally being mindful,like you have to look at what
you're accomplishing now andremember there was one day that
you dreamed of accomplishingthis, even if that's literally
having a youtube channel thatexists.
There was a time where you'relike I want to start a youtube
channel, I'm gonna start ayoutube channel that could be
(39:51):
celebrating the fact that youeven just started the youtube
channel yeah, and that's huge initself and then remembering,
like okay, I hope I get like 10views.
And then the next time, whenyou're feeling down and be like
remember when I was hoping Iwould get 10 views, my videos
get 50 views right now.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Like that's crazy yeah, so hopefully you're that
that puts this into into alittle bit of perspective, uh,
for when you're moving forward.
But anyway you're doing well,so just know that yeah, double
down, if you want more I do havea follow-up um about tags.
Speaker 8 (40:27):
like I'm really on the fence on tags because
ideally I want it to be rootedto just the general area of
YouTubers, because that's mainlywhere I'm going to get the most
interaction from and it'seither I'm worried about putting
(40:48):
too many tags or I'm notputting the right tags or I'm
putting too like uh, not enoughtags let's push you off the
fence, jen.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
He said he's on the fence about tags.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Let's push him off push him off, let's push him off
the fence.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
You want to push him first, or should I push him?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
oh my gosh, you can push him first.
I'll give you the honors.
Give a good push.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Don't worry about it for a number of reasons.
Like don't.
Even if you're spending morethan like 30 seconds on tags,
you're you're you're wastingyour time.
They're not relevant to the byand large things that happen on
YouTube.
Your description and title area little bit more important your
title, for sure, but mainly,mainly because what people are
going to see your thumbnailsdefinitely super important.
(41:32):
For sure, but mainly becausewhat people are going to see
your thumbnail is definitelysuper important.
I would not spend any timeworrying about tags Because,
even if you were to bescientifically amazing at it,
youtube's already told us thatthey don't really use it for
anything other than maybemisspellings.
And even if you were reallygood at that, the people that
are going to see your contentaren't going to have anything to
do with it.
When's the last time youclicked on a video because of
its tag?
Speaker 2 (41:52):
That was funny.
We actually did that.
Remember Travis, it brought uslike a side of YouTube that we
did that because we're weird.
We did that.
We're weird, it was funny.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
We have a podcast about this shenanigans.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
We've never even seen it.
We're like what is this?
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Anyway, jordan, we appreciate you so much.
Thank you so much for joiningus.
Anyway, Jordan, we appreciateyou so much.
Thank you so much for joiningus.
We actually have something thatcame up in the text here on the
side.
So again, if you're watching onthe YouTube channel, you're
like this is kind of cool.
Where do I go to this vidIQcomslash Discord?
There's a link in thedescription and if you're
listening on the audio podcast,there's a link in the show notes
.
Someone says Sarah says alsogiving us props.
(42:29):
Yeah, listen to the podcast.
It's fun and how I'm poweringthrough a whole bunch of sample
knitting.
I want to know what Travis andJen think of Canadian Smarties,
because obviously we are a candypodcast.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Um what.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I don't know that this is a different thing.
Excuse me.
Is this like Mexican Coke,where it actually is with
different ingredients and ittastes different?
Is this a thing?
Has?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
to be has to be.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
This is news to me.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Has has to be this is news to me has to be.
I'm not a winner.
I like regular Smarties.
Actually, I enjoy a good littleSmartie session here and there.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, Smarties are good.
I didn't know that there was adifferent version.
Even Haley's.
Like what?
Canada has different Smarties,Excuse me.
And then, of course, Joshtalked about.
We know this, Josh, We've heardthis before UK chocolate beats
American chocolate 10 times over.
We've heard this.
I need to eat it before I willaccept that as a fact.
Let's bring someone else up onstage.
Speaker 10 (43:15):
It's true though.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
How do you know You've?
Speaker 10 (43:18):
been over here.
Yeah, guys, I just.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Oh my gosh, uh-huh, yeah, and I will say, though,
I'm going to say this it's notcandy we have the best Red Bull
out of the entire world.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Well, we better.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
All the other Red Bull taste weird.
Speaker 10 (43:34):
Yikes, All right folks, I just want to say that
we have actually the questionfrom the chat, if that's okay
with you.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Okay, what is it?
Let's see.
Sadly, I cannot tune live, I'mnot sure.
Okay, I finally made it toconsistently over 60% retention
in the first 30 seconds, but I'mstill struggling to get 15% to
stick around to the end.
Oh, okay, I make Talking Invideos where I specifically talk
about the 2000s comedy moviesand a little bit about the
comedy movie I'm making.
What would be your biggest tipsto stronger retention?
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Now, first of all, you're not telling us how long
your videos are, which is thebiggest answer to this question
Because, quite frankly, if yourvideo is an hour long, 15 at the
end it's not bad.
If your video, I would say whatis the?
I would say what is the averageview duration too.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Yeah, but if your video is uh 45 seconds, that's
terrible.
So we don't know, like withoutknowing kind of, how long your
videos are, it's very makinghour-long videos.
So as an example, I'll even kindof look at our analytics.
You got to remember that ourpodcast channel, our videos, at
(44:42):
a minimum for any of our shows,are what like 30-something
minutes and they're 45 for thelonger stuff.
And we average like 20, almost20 minute average view durations
.
And if you look at the, theretention graph and you set it
to like relative, that'sactually fairly high for youtube
.
But the percentage of that islike what, 30 something percent
(45:03):
out of like uh, or just it'sunder 50.
You would think just by lookingat that number that's terrible,
but it's not because of thelength of the video, so it's
kind of relative.
Who do we have on stage?
Speaker 11 (45:13):
Hi, oh, hello.
Hello, I'm Peter.
I'm a medical doctor fromPoland, oh, hey, and well, I
migrated here from anothercommunity, so I'm happy to join,
but I nearly never got time toactually come here for the live
podcast because, it was alwaysinterfering with my work.
(45:34):
Oh uh, I work in clinic verylong hours.
I already scaled my polishversion of youtube channel to
over 4 000 subscribers and thenI decided to pivot for english
language and narrow down towards, uh, psychology and ai,
basically okay, and I'm tryingto aim at founders, ai founders
(45:54):
and mental healthcare.
For that reason, I'm alsopresent a lot on Twitter, but
it's very hard to manage thatwith clinical hours and I am
actually running mostly intoissue to find time to produce
content because, well, I want toproduce very high quality
content.
It takes a lot of time toprepare, like valid medical
topics with good background,research, analysis and knowing
(46:17):
that everything I say is highquality, that there are no
errors, because this is not likesomething very narrow topic
that I can talk about.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
I think I hear what you're getting at.
You're overcomplicating a lotof this.
I'm just going to stop youthere.
It's because you're a veryanalytical person.
I can tell by your answers ofeverything you've said You're
very analytical, which thankgoodness you are because you're
a doctor.
If you were not analytical andyou were just flying by the seat
of your pants and you're adoctor, we might got to take
(46:48):
your doctorate away.
All right, we might have to dothat, so I'm happy for that.
But here's what you need to doyou take a breath yeah.
I'll do that.
I'm the one who does that.
Dr Savage takes care of that.
I think you need to breathe andbefore you get ahead of
yourself, because I can feelthat like your mindset is that
of a like a million subscriberchannel, it's got all these
(47:08):
things ahead.
Yeah, you're so many steps ahead, which is not necessarily a bad
thing, because it's good tohave a goal, but in your voice
and in the things you'redescribing, I can hear you
tripping yourself up every timeyou explain the next thing.
That kind of is the things thatare in your life.
So here's my advice.
I'm going to try tooversimplify what everything you
said is, and I don't mean todisrespect everything you've
(47:30):
explained, but I feel it throughwhat you're saying Start just
creating for the time being andjust for a little while I'm not
saying forever, just for alittle while fun videos that you
enjoy making and watching justfor a little while.
Get in love with the contentcreation portion of it and then,
(47:50):
once you've done that for awhile, go back in the analytics
and then go back to the commentsand think and kind of consider
did this work?
And if it did work, there'syour answer.
If it didn't work, then youshould.
Speaker 11 (48:04):
One thing, one difference, because I don't aim
for numbers, I want high tierconsultations from high end
right, I didn't say numbers.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
I didn't say no target, yeah, but I didn't say
numbers.
You'll notice.
Speaker 11 (48:19):
I didn't say no, I have like professional studio
and setup which is like nearly200 kilometers from where I work
, because like salaries differ alot around, uh.
So I have a dedicated studioand literally location for
recording that I am there likeonce a week or twice a week.
So I can't like do itspontaneously.
No, no, I'm not sayingspontaneous.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
So you have to listen to the words I'm using, because
I'm being very specific.
I'm not saying be spontaneous.
I'm not saying try to get bigviews.
I didn't say any of that, andthe fact that you heard that, I
think, really shows where yourmind is which is not in a bad
place, by the way not a badplace.
You're very YouTuber minded,but I'm asking you to step back
from that.
I want you to enjoy the processfirst and then, once you figure
(49:01):
out, like if what you didworked, do more of that thing.
It sounds like you're like.
You have editors, you have astudio, you have so many amazing
things that most of the peoplehere in chat would like kill for
, but I don't think you needthat right now.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, operating at a level that's not necessary.
Speaker 11 (49:20):
But for me like to put out a video.
I need to be content with it.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
I love what you're saying.
I think what you, what you'retrying to accomplish, is very
admirable, and I think that it'simportant to always reach your
own standard.
But sometimes analysis,paralysis, is just one of those
things that keeps you frommoving forward, and I really
hope that you can find the thingthat you want and find the
(49:44):
success that you feel you need.
And again, we've talked aboutwhat does success even mean?
It doesn't mean lots of views,it just means whatever it means
to you, which is what I think hewas saying.
All right, last person up, whodo we got hey?
Speaker 3 (49:57):
my question would be that recently I've been focusing
on quantity over quality andthat has really been burning me
out and not getting really soI'm just thinking should I
choose to make more high qualityand more ideal videos?
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Yeah, we did the quality versus quantity episode
just recently, and this is thething that's always going to
come up because it's anevergreen problem.
It's should I make?
Should I spend a whole bunch oftime on one video or just a
bunch of small videos?
Where do you land on this?
Speaker 2 (50:35):
I think the answer is both.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
It can be both.
So here's here's the thing.
Youtube is also a numbers game.
So the more shots you take ongoal, the more opportunity you
have to score.
If you only do one big videoand it doesn't go anywhere, then
however long you let's say youdo one video a month and it's
the big swing and it doesn't goanywhere, then however long you
let's say you do one video amonth and it's the big swing and
(50:58):
it doesn't go anywhere, thenyou've lost an entire month of
potential for other decentvideos.
Where, and Jen, how many timeshas this happened to you?
The one you don't think isgoing to go anywhere goes
everywhere.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Every time, it's always.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
Pretty much, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
It's not every time, but it's say it's the opposite.
It's the one you think is goingto go somewhere and it's like
wah wah.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah, yeah.
So the quantity quality thingis a never-ending question that
I think we're going to see,probably for the rest of time
and there's no definitive answer, but there's always the fact
that there's got to be a mix.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Mix it.
Why not both?
It has to be a mix.
Mix it, please.
Why not both?
You know there's.
It has to be both, though,because if you're never pushing
yourself to make better content,what are you doing?
Yeah, yeah and if you're alwaysjust like putting out okay
content at a rapid like paceyeah people are gonna stop
watching.
There has to be.
You have to incorporate both insome way.
And whatever that ratio is toyou is different, but you got to
(51:59):
push at some point.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Yeah, so for everyone listening to the podcast, we
hope that you've enjoyed it.
Everyone here in discord.
We're going to come back.
We love talking to y'all.
It's been lots of fun.
Of course, you can hit thatsubscribe button If you're
watching on YouTube, if you'relistening to the audio podcast.
What is it, jen?
What do we tell them they haveto do every time?
Speaker 2 (52:16):
five stars, only, it's only five stars only five
stars.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Uh, we greatly appreciate you for joining us
and we'll see you in the nextone.
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