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Ever wonder why you can freely use popular music in Shorts but not in long-form videos? The mystery gets solved in this eye-opening episode where Travis and Dan break down YouTube's complex music licensing deals. Rather than YouTube plotting to annoy viewers with ads, they reveal how streaming economics actually work—the platform has already been paid by advertisers, but when viewers block ads, it's creators who lose out on revenue.

This conversation takes several fascinating turns, from exploring whether turning passions into content kills the joy (spoiler: it sometimes does), to sharing a listener success story proving that patience pays off. One creator watched their video flatline for 100 days before suddenly gaining 1,800+ views when the algorithm finally discovered it. This real-world example demonstrates why deleting "failed" videos too quickly might be a mistake.

The most thought-provoking segment tackles the tough question many creators face: should you turn every hobby into content? Both hosts share personal stories of how transforming leisure activities into YouTube material sometimes drained the enjoyment completely. "Not everything you do should have a financial thing attached to it because it's going to burn you out," Dan wisely notes. This balance between content creation and personal fulfillment might be the secret to long-term creator sustainability.

Whether you're wondering about using music in your shorts, considering a second channel for your cycling adventures, or trying to understand YouTube's recommendation system, this episode delivers practical insights wrapped in the hosts' trademark conversational style. Check out our Discord community at vidIQ.com/Discord for even more creator support and join the conversation!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hey, welcome back to the only podcast that has so
many hosts.
You have no idea who's going toshow up.
I'm Travis, I'm always here andI'm here with Dan today.
Oh, I was waiting for theperson to show up.
They didn't show up, so hereyou are.
Oh, it's you instead.
Okay.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
But it's good to have you back.
Yeah, no, thank you for havingme.
I appreciate the invite.
I know that usually they keepme locked away in a little room
and sometimes they bring me outto answer some questions or
something, and I look forward tothis time.
I like being out of the room.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, it's been a minute since we've talked, so
it's good to have you back.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Please don't make me go back.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
I know, right, you've got to go back to the live
streams, dan, I don't know whatto tell you.
It's going to happen.
Okay, if you're new here,welcome to the podcast channel.
If you're watching on YouTube,you'll notice some changes
around here and we're just thesame great stuff, just different
dressing.
We still live in the same house.
We just got it painted orsomething.
I live in the basement.
We keep Dan in the basement.

(01:11):
He's just above Savage, savagehas the sub-basement, and then
it's Dan, and then Rob and meand Jen somewhere else.
Yeah, so if you're new here, wetry to help you grow your
YouTube channel and sometimestalk about other shenanigans,
but we're going to go ahead andtake some of the messages from
you.
Y'all send us emails all thetime.
You can send us an email attheboostvidiqcom, where we will

(01:32):
read it here and try to give youanswers as best that we can
anyway, and this first one comesfrom someone you see on the
live streams a lot MC Ivan.
You know MC Ivan, right?
Oh, oh, yeah, everyone knows MCIvan.
Let's see what he has to saytoday.
Hello, travis and Jen, orwhoever has shown up today.
You are whoever has shown uptoday, dan.
Congratulations.
That's me, that is you, onYouTube Shorts.
I've seen it said by YouTubeand other sources that you can

(01:54):
use whatever music you like,even if it is not royalty free.
Is this true, and how is itpossible?
And why can I use Star Warsmusic and long-form videos too?
And since this was pretty short, I was wondering if my favorite
candy podcast would tell metheir opinions on the candy
Smarties.
I really like them, even thoughone can last me several days.
Oh, because one can last meseveral days.
Thanks for the answer.
Have a great rest of your day.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
I always mix up the Smarties that Ivan is talking
about with the ones that arejust chalk that's been cut up
into little circles.
Aren't they the same thing?
No, there's like a hard candythat.
I think about because they lastthe whole day.
The Smarties packets will lastyou a couple seconds because
you'll spit them out immediatelyand go on with your day, right.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's funny because in thecoming weeks you're going to see
Jen and I in the studio tryingdifferent candies and we did not
get Smarties.
We should have differentcandies and we did not get
Smarties we should have.
Maybe next time we'll doSmarties.
It's been a long time sinceI've had any.
I'm not a super fan, but Iwould try it again for the
podcast.
I'd do it for content.
I'd do almost anything forcontent, dan.
Okay.

(02:52):
Okay, but let's answer thequestion about shorts, about
music and stuff.
So I think maybe the confusionhere is it says you can use
whatever music you would like.
So there is when you're makinga short using the tool, it does
give you option to use a lot ofdifferent music sources,
including like quote copyrightedmusic, which all music is
copyrighted technically.
Talk to us a little bit aboutthat and why that even is.

(03:16):
It is confusing at firstbecause you know, for the
longest time creators are likeI'm not supposed to use music
and all of a sudden YouTube'slike use music.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah, so quick disclaimer, and we just, you
know, we feel like we have tosay this sometimes.
We don't work for YouTube andalso I don't work for the music
industry, so all I can do ismake assumptions.
And I think what happened wasTikTok came around and let
people use music.
I don't know how those dealswork, but as I understand it,
youtube has sat down withstudios that produce music,

(03:44):
manage artists, things like that, and they've come up with deals
to allow people to use notroyalty-free stuff on their
shorts.
And if you think about thisfrom the music perspective side
of it, it makes sense, because ashort now that could be three
minutes.
I don't know how thatcomplicates things, but a short
is shorter and so really, youonly get a sample of the song,
which for them, they probablysee that as a selling point for

(04:05):
the music.
I like that song, I like thatartist.
The artist is usually, if theydid it right, it's credited at
the bottom.
So when you upload a short, youshould be using that tool that
credits the actual artistinstead of just using.
I think a lot of people justedit in their editing software
and put the music in that way.
It seems to also be okay, okay,but I think what they want you
to do is use their musicselection tools.

(04:26):
Uh, what you'll also find is, I, I don't know, maybe you can
pull this up later, uh, and putin the show notes or something.
There was a news story not thatlong ago where, for a hot minute
, the music industry and youtubea deal fell apart.
I don't know if it's universal,or some record company was like
hey, you know, we want moremoney.
Basically, oh, yeah, yeah.
So for a minute there, a wholebunch of artists were removed

(04:46):
from TikTok and YouTube, and soit isn't like they can use any
song.
It's songs that YouTube hasworked, or artists that YouTube
is working with through therecord labels, and it just so
happens that these record labelshave there's not too many of
them, so it feels like prettymuch everything is at your
disposal, and it's really should, for, in their minds, work as

(05:10):
an advertising platform.
Also, that's probably one ofthe reasons shorts make less
money than long form videos.
I'm making an assumption there,but shorts notoriously make
less money, even if they'relonger shorts.
Why is that?
Because that money is beingdivvied up to you, to YouTube
and the record labels.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, definitely Record labels are involved with
this Also.
I mean, all the way up untilthe implementation of
three-minute shorts, you reallycouldn't play an entire song
through a short, and Dan kind oftouched on this, so it was more
of a like oh, let me get apiece of that.
Weirdly now a lot of music nowis like two minutes long, I've
noticed.
So you technically could playan entire song.
So it is kind of weird now ifyou have a long form three

(05:49):
minute video that you wouldn'tnecessarily you might get
claimed there, but you probablywon't get claimed in a short
that's two minutes.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Don't forget there's also the feature that no one
ever talks about, which isYouTube has given us, as
creators for long form, theability to grab songs and
license them ourselves.
Right, so you can use certainmusic in your long form videos
if you're willing to pay thelicensing for it.
If you're willing to pay for it, yeah.
Youtube has made that a loteasier than it used to be,
whereas you would have to go tothe record label and talk to

(06:17):
them yourself.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Sorry to interrupt you, if you even knew which
songs were going to do what,because some would claim you,
some would strike you, somewouldn't do anything.
Uh, and for a while there theyhad a little bit of a database
where you could type in a songand it would tell you what would
happen.
But that's not a guarantee ofanything.
At least now you can license it.
But the thing is, the funnything about the licensing thing
is you are licensing it for aperiod of time and youtube tells
you after that time period, whoknows?

(06:40):
They might claim it after that,which is kind of a ripoff.
Like you sign this, you paythese people money for their
song and in like two or threeyears four, I don't know how
many years they are they couldthen say, nope, now we're
claiming it, but you get youdouble dipping, you double
dipping how dare you?

Speaker 3 (06:55):
yeah, it's, I mean, I've seen it so okay.
Invato elements, for example,is a, is a company that lets you
license all kinds of stuff uh,photos, videos.
They videos.
They're all like stock footage.
That's where a lot of peopleget their stock.
I think that's where we getours.
That's one of the sources.
And the way the licensing issupposed to work is, if you
cancel your Envato subscription,you are still allowed to have

(07:17):
those videos up on your channeland no one's going to come after
you, but you're not allowed tocontinue using that footage.
If you save it to your harddrive, you're not allowed to use
it.
So these deals are written insuch a way to try to make it
easy for the content creators,so no one gets in any trouble.
And the music is the same way.
Envato used to have songs andthen they removed those songs
from their library.
And how it's supposed to workis that anyone who used that

(07:39):
song in the past should be good,but if you don't know that they
remove those songs, I've had ithappen where I'm like, oh, I'll
use the song I like, and thenit was removed and then now my
video is getting claimed, likewhat happened and turns out oh
well, they lost the rights tothat song, so the rights, even
on royalty free stuff, canchange, which is super
frustrating.
Um, so it's just something thatyou always have to watch out for
.
Uh, I will say just as a quickaside I'm noticing more and more

(08:01):
creators just not use any musicand that kind of plays into
this whole world of authenticitywe're entering into, and you
might not need that Star Warsmusic under your video.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I think you should have the Star Wars music under
your video all the time.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
You should have the right to Star Wars music under
your video.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Dag nabbit, as long as it's not the whole song, why
not?
So hopefully that answers yourquestion somewhat Basically.
You know there's been dealsmade and I think at one time you
couldn't play the whole songbut technically now you can,
which complicates things.
But anyway, there's deals made.
Is the end of that answer.
So thank you for that, mc Ivan.
Okay, next up is a email fromPaul who says my name is Paul

(08:44):
and I'm from Bychester in the UK.
I was supposed to be listeningto how to Get your Two-Year-Old
to Sleep audiobook but I foundyou and Jen at the same time and
you won out.
Suffice to say, I haven't sleptin three months and I'm nearly
up to date with all yourepisodes and listen every day
driving to and from work, andyou keep the inspiration.
Your inspiration keeps me going, which is amazing.
I love that.
Yeah, food first cream eggs Toomuch cream.

(09:06):
I love Cadbury cream, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Mini eggs amazing, but have tobe cold, like out in the fridge.
Candy corn never had, but I'mafraid it looks like it got OD
on sugar.
What is your stance on candycorn again, Dan?

Speaker 3 (09:25):
I mean, I don't really eat candy anymore these
days, but I used to think it wasfine.
But if I ate too much of itthen I would hate it.
But yeah, I was always thatweird person that actually
didn't mind a little bit ofcandy corn every year.
But it's limited.
I can only eat too much or somuch.
I guess some is too much forsome people, but whatever 100%.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
It's too much Curly Whirly, which is what Rob told
us about.
Oh, yes, but don't forgetSmarties, which is ironic.
So we just talked aboutSmarties, and I do love a wine
gum.
I've never heard of wine gum.
I don't know what that is.
It sounds made up.
It does sound made up.
I have a children's YouTubechannel called Stories to Grow,
where I read stories forchildren.
I've been involved in this overthe past three years just from
reading the pages from the booksedited to turn as I read from

(09:59):
picture files to me being onscreen and having some puppets
too, as well as the pages moving.
As it is a children's channel,I'm not able to have comments on
it, so I'm not able to gaininsight from the community as to
what it's like and disliked.
However, I've looked at otherbig creators in the niche and
try to take snippets from eachof them that do well.
I've had early success with twoto 3000 views that have ebbed

(10:19):
and flow off.
Now, and with a new format,it's about three to 400 views on
the latest video and it seemsto slow off.
So the question is with achannel that doesn't have a
community, what do you do?
How do you gauge it.
I've been engaging quite wellwith small authors and getting
them to submit stories, which iscool.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
That's a good way.
I was going to ask about wherethey're getting the stories from
.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, that's smart and add a channel to the likes
of Instagram and such.
Should I be using end screensand best utilize them?
I've never used them before,not sure how to go about this.
That's really cool.
The thing is with kids channels, though.
Typically you don't have accessto that, so I don't know.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
And last but not, least Anyone watching on regular
YouTube would sorry go ahead.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, oh, and last but not least, it shows amateur.
You know that we do an entireepisode about all the different
youtube uh terms, uh, so we'regonna save that for a future
episode, um, but be on thelookout for that.
But so for these first twosmall channel, um kids channel,
which typically you don't getaccess to end screens and stuff,
but maybe theirs isn'tcategorized as a as one, they

(11:18):
said their videos get in betweentwo to three thousand views and
sometimes get three to fourhundred, and I like how they've
gone out and and they're talkingwith the small authors and
getting them on board so theycan use their it's.
It's a everyone wins, yeah Ilove that super smart um, but
things like how do you get moreengagement and such and use?
I love end screens.
I'm an end screen enthusiastyeah, I do too.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
I so, if any, if you're getting any views from
youtube proper, because justbecause it's on youtube, kids,
doesn't mean it doesn't alsoshow up somewhere on YouTube
proper, right, correct.
It's just that's where you seethe comment sections empty and
it's kind of weird.
You can use them there, and theway we typically recommend to
use them is you can.
I like one call to action foran end screen so it can be to
subscribe, but then it shouldn'tbe for anything else.

(12:01):
But what I like doing is Travisyou've probably talked about
this a great length at thispoint on the podcast, but you
create a session by a watchsession, by having people watch
more than one of your videos.
So people are during theiroverall session on YouTube that
day.
You need to occupy so many ofthose videos to have a session
of your own within it.
Does that make sense?
So right now, if you'rewatching this podcast on YouTube

(12:24):
and we tell you to go watchthis other one, your watch
session with the Tube Talkpodcast would be two videos
right, and that helps us a lotbecause it shows YouTube that
you are getting a lot of clicksfrom, or you're clicking on,
this podcast a lot, and it'shelping to identify the type of
person who YouTube can recommendthe podcast to and all that
stuff.
So the way to do it, I think, isto if you're reading a

(12:49):
children's book and, let's say,the theme is like puppies or
whatever, you would probablywant to point to another
children's book with a similartheme, so maybe kittens or also
puppies or something like that.
And a way to think about thisis you could make playlists, and
I'm not saying you point to aplaylist.
Playlists are not a great thingto point to, in my opinion, but
for your own mental sake, aplaylist can help you categorize
the different subcategories ofchildren's books that you have.

(13:10):
And then you're like, okay,this is a puppy children's book,
it's going into my puppyplaylist and therefore I'm going
to push to another book in thatplaylist.
So that is how I would be usingthem in your case.
Yeah, yeah, that is how I wouldbe using them in your case.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
That, yeah, yeah that sounds right, and I've dealt
with some kids' channels in thepast and a lot of times it comes
down to thumbnails.
To be honest, especiallydepending on how young the kids
are, it's all about a verycolorful thumbnail with some
really cute imagery and then,beyond that, like they were
saying, it's hard to see theirlikes and dislikes because,
again, you don't really see thatstuff.
I think the views really tellthe story here.

(13:46):
Again, without access tocertain metrics that we look at
to see for success, you canstill see retention, you can
still see how long they'rewatching and such and depending
on the age, some kids just pressplay or the parent presses play
and it just plays right andthen it just auto plays to the
next thing.
So having content thatnaturally plays into each other
is good, but I mean really it'sa thumbnail game.

(14:08):
In kids' content it really isjust a thumbnail game.
So look at what works in yourparticular niche and especially
for the type of books and stuffyou're reading, and get some
really amazing art for it, andyou'll be surprised that that
alone can change the course ofyour channel.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Engagement-wise, because they were asking about
that with our comments.
You have very little work with.
You have views and I believekids can subscribe to channels.
I think I could be wrong aboutthat, but that's how you have to
measure it.
I guess If you're getting views, you're doing something right
and that's just kind of thenature of kids' content.
We should talk to a channelwho's been doing content on that

(14:47):
platform for a long time andsee yeah what they would say I I
would love to know from a, acreator, who's like made it.
You know and had and had thesequestions answered for them at
one point like what they feellike their engagement metrics
look like yeah, I mean kidschannels and music channels have
always been kind of a hard tocoach channel for me personally.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
They've been kind of not my blind spots, but
certainly my weak points, musicbeing the worst for me.
Kids, I can usually figure outa way through, but they're very
difficult because they're verylimiting.
You can't.
It's not like in a song you gowell, for your next song, you
know that part where you use thehorn.
Don't use a horn next time.
Well, no, I'm an artist, I'mgonna use a horn if I want to

(15:28):
use a horn.
It's like well, but yourretention dropped.
But did your retention dropbecause the horn came in or was
something completely irrelevant?
Like it's different there.
Um, there might not even bevisuals on on.
You know what I mean.
So it's like it's verydifficult, um, but yeah, I think
what we've, what we've said, is, uh, gonna put you in a right
direction.
All right.
Next up, chris says hey, hi,tren which, by the way, I don't
know if you know this, it'sTravis and Jen.
That's what Tren is.

(15:49):
I was picking up on that.
You were picking up what theywere putting down.
Thanks to Jen for reviewing myD&D channel on the live stream.
Yes, being a Dungeon Mattereris a great title.
I don't know.
Talk about the changes to adscoming from people turning off

(16:09):
during ad spots, which Idefinitely used to do myself.
I'm not sure what that's inreference to.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
I'm trying to do you.
I know there's a lot of stuffgoing on with ads right now, but
I guess that sentencespecifically is a little
confusing to me.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Okay.
So from people turning off, Ithink what they're saying is
when they would watch a video,people would turn off.
During the ad spots they wouldmaybe drop off the video Like
two now.
Yeah, or something like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I thinkthat's what they're saying.
Do you think there's any truthto the idea that they'll keep
upping ads in order to?
I've noticed I get 60 secondsof unstoppable ads nowadays,
which I didn't know that used tobe unheard of.

(16:45):
The reason I didn't know thatis because I've been using
YouTube Premium for a very longtime.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yeah, I can never go back.
I can't.
No, if I stumble upon, becauseI have a few YouTube accounts
that I use, right, and if one ofthem is not on Premium, I
immediately click off of it, I'mlike oh no, this is unwatchable
.
Yeah, and I've become veryjaded.
I just forget that there's awhole youtube experience out

(17:09):
there that includes 60 secondunskippable ads.
We're so right about that.
So what I will say is thatemails seem to have a little bit
of a conspiracy theory attachedto it whereby youtube is
deliberately pumping up ads tosell premium subscriptions.
Here's what I think, and again,I don't work for youtube and I
don't know how much money theymake premium versus ads, but I
will say that they probably, ifI had to guess, make a lot more

(17:32):
money on the ads than premium.
Personally, I don't know that'strue, you're probably right but
ad rates fluctuate wildly andpremium is what it costs.
They change it every coupleyears, right?
So YouTube would probablyprefer it.
Honestly, we all just shut upand watched ads, but they know
they need to create anexperience that's more premium,

(17:54):
sorry, so that people will stickaround.
Here's something for everybody.
If you're going to pay us themoney to make up for the ad,
spend fine.
So I don't think that is whatyoutube is doing.
I think we are moving into aplace where the world is just
becoming a more expensive placeto live in and ads are going to

(18:15):
be, you know, I mean, likeyoutube needs more ads to pay
their employees to run theirservers and, and it's kind of
this infinite problem, becauseYouTube does something that
other platforms, like Twitch,don't do they hold onto your
content forever.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
And so guess what that storage is still?
There's a physical place in theworld with your videos on it,
and those videos can be 20 yearsold now, because YouTube is 20
years old and those are stillaccessible on the servers old,
now because YouTube is 20 yearsold and those are still
accessible on the servers.
It only can get more expensiveto run YouTube at the end of the

(18:51):
day until we get some moretechnology that lets us, like,
compress data even better andblah blah, blah, blah blah.
So so that's what I think ishappening.
I think the world is justcontinuing to evolve, Technology
is continuing to grow and it'sjust going to get worse before
it gets better, and premium isone solution to the problem.
I don't think it's a conspiracywhere YouTube is like I know
Well, piss them off, that willsell premium.
I don't think that's whatthey're doing.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
No, I think the thing is you also have to remember
YouTube is a business, eventhough a lot of it's free.
Like you upload for free, whichis kind of wild when you really
start to think about it.
Your videos get promoted forfree, which is again wild if you
really think about it, and youcan watch for free, which again
is wild when you think aboutwhat's out there and how much
subscriptions cost.
They have to recoup their costssomewhere.

(19:33):
They literally can't not makemoney.
Now are they saying thatthey're upping the ads because
of that?
I mean, are there people thatare in meetings saying we need
to make more money in ourpremium service?
Probably.
Are they trying to figure outways to do that?
I mean probably.
Are they doing it in a waythat's like Scrooge McDuck?

(19:53):
No, I don't think so, havingworked at corporate companies
that needed to make more moneyand things typically there's.
Every company is different, butthere's usually people in there
or at least a set of guidelinesis like you know, let's not
kill the user experience.
You know, let's see if we canmake a little bit more money,
but let's not kill the userexperience, because if you kill

(20:14):
that, it's over, it's a wrap andnow you really need to make
more money, right?
So are they making?
I mean, the 60-secondunskippable ad is that's wild.
But you know what?
There are other services thatdo this.
So, for example, when I'm in mykitchen, I have an Echo show in
there, right, no-transcript?

(20:44):
Something about that is verynostalgic and I like that
because I don't have broadcastTV anymore.
I just stream everything.
Yeah, something very cool aboutthat.
Plus, I just throw something onand you don't pay for it.
But they have ads.
So because of that, then ofcourse they're unskippable.
They just it's like, but it'slike a commercial, it's
basically a commercial, andthat's their way of making money

(21:04):
for something that's otherwisecompletely free, like YouTube,
except they have actualtelevision programs.
So it's the same thing withYouTube.
They've got to make moneysomehow.
I never begrudge them that, andI'll even go a step further.
People that are using, you know,ad bloggers and stuff are
stealing, and I, I, you know,there's that's kind of one of
those things that some people gooh, is it?
Is it?

(21:24):
Yeah, it is a hundred percent,it is.
Um, and you know, while peoplethink, well, I'm just sticking
it to the man, no, you're not,you're sticking it to the
creator, because the creatorsare the ones that are getting
screwed out of the money.
Youtube getting screwed out ofthe money.
Youtube already has their check.
What people don't understandabout the way this works is the
ad payers.
The ad advertisers have alreadypaid.
Google has been paid.

(21:45):
You know who hasn't been paidthe creator.
So when you block that ad onthat creator, it's not that
YouTube didn't get paid.
The creator didn't get paid.
So you've literally taken moneyout of a creator's pocket, and
I've never seen that argumentanywhere.
But that's literally how itworks.
You pay first.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
My only counterpoint to this I'm not fully
disagreeing with you my onlycounterpoint to this is that, as
creators, we don't get tocontrol the frequency.
And this is, I think, the cruxof their original question was
about, I think, that changecoming to ad frequency and
things like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and maybe thisis one solution to that, but as
a creator, I don't typicallyget involved with how many ads

(22:22):
they play on my videos, beforemy videos, after my videos, and
so when the platform gets to apoint where people feel like it
is unwatchable, it pushes peoplein the direction of ad blockers
so.
I don't personally blame anybodyfor using them in a way, in a
sense, because they are justtrying to create a viewable
experience.
They people I think people getpushed into ad blockers after

(22:44):
they reach a saturation point ahundred percent.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
I I feel like the internet is unusable without.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah, some something to help.
Yeah, and the solution isn't to, I think, go into into point
individual creators and say youshouldn't do that.
It's a solution that I thinkyoutube needs to get involved
with and the internet as a wholeneeds to get involved with.
It's like, hey, we've reached apoint where advertising has
gotten so pervasive that Ihere's my thing I can't load a

(23:08):
blog or an article on my phonewithout the page jumping around.
It's not like if the experiencewas smoother, I wouldn't mind
as much, but I don't readarticles on my phone anymore
because I can't block the ads.
And I don't like blocking theads because I like the
publications that are publishingthese things, but their blogs,
their articles, are literallyunreadable.

(23:28):
It's so frustrating.
I sympathize with the adblocking side of that argument,
but also understanding whatTravis is saying is like YouTube
got.
Like you said, youtube is goingto cut our check after they
take their share.
So that's.
I've never thought of it fromthat perspective and that's very
interesting.
So it's.
We're in this really weird timewhere we just, I think and this

(23:50):
is like a internet in itsinfancy kind of problem I think
you know what I mean it's stillthe internet is still relatively
young.
In the grand scheme of things,we haven't quite figured this
out, so I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, I look at it like this.
I'm not coming at you, justlike I'm not coming at you.
I mean, I'm not coming at thepeople who use ad blockers.
It's the same thing as speeding.
I think a lot of people driveand they speed.
You are breaking the law.
There is no three ways aboutthat.
Am I going to at you about it?

(24:22):
I'm not saying you're aterrible person.
I'm not saying don't do that.
I'm not saying that, but you'redoing it and there's no three
ways about that.
So you just have to live withthat.
And if you're okay with it, Imean okay.
I'm not going to say anythingmore.
The content creator has not, andmaybe you don't care, and
that's fine.
And I think everyone has tolook at everything, every
decision they make, as a riskreward, return on investment.

(24:45):
You know morals versus whatever, whatever the case may be.
For me, youtube Premium andit's solved.
Everyone gets paid, everyone'shappy, I'm happy, it's all good.
I know not everyone can paythat, because I think it even
went up in price recently.
It is what it is, but I watchso much YouTube that it's worth
it for me.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
YouTube premium tip.
I've given this one before, butif you were thinking about
YouTube premium, they have afamily subscription and if you
pay annually, that's the bestdeal always is.
What I would recommend doing istalk to people in your family
who watch YouTube which isprobably all of them and split
the cost of an annualsubscription, and it will be so

(25:23):
much cheaper than doing a soloYouTube premium.
I haven't looked at theirprices recently, but I assume
it's still that way you get afamily subscription.
You literally you sell eachother the money.
Whoever is in charge of theaccount gets it, and I think you
can have up to eight accountssharing a premium subscription
on a family plan.
Wow, so that's I, I, my, mypremium subscription is full of
family, literally family members.

(25:43):
You I'm sure friends share thisstuff too, but I I literally
have shared it with my family,and if your family is coming to
help you pay for it, itdramatically reduces the cost in
my experience.
So that's like one tip, uh, onecost saving tip for me.
But do we answer the crux oftheir question.
They they asked about ads andthe new.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
So do we think I understood them better.
They basically just asked likedo we think that they're going
to continue to make, push moreor longer ads so that you
everyone is forced to buy that?
I mean, maybe I don't thinkthere's anyone in a meeting
that's saying that in thosewords uh, I think they look at
what they need to make and theymake decisions based off that.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
I'm struggling to understand YouTube's new changes
where you can set up manual adsand YouTube is encouraging you
to let them just do automaticads.
I'm in a couple creatordiscords and I have noticed some
discourse around this wherepeople are saying I can't let
YouTube automatically place thembecause they're putting them in
the worst spots.
So YouTube is probably using anAI that tries to detect the

(26:42):
best spots to put breaks in.
But my thing is I just thinkthat you could spend time
messing with those.
But YouTube, like every video,has this problem, and so I don't
think the average viewer islooking at you and going, oh wow
, you really put that in astupid place, that ad.
I think they're probably justseeing the ad and going, oh yeah

(27:04):
, youtube has ads.
Yeah, that's how I think of ofit.
But yeah, I don't know if youneed to take it on as like a
weekly thing you do to move allyour ads around.
You certainly can.
I just don't know if that'stime well spent.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Personally, I don't do it yeah, I don't do it
because I know youtube knows acouple of things about the
viewer that I don't, which istheir tolerance for ads.
They know how often someonewill watch something and when in
a video they'll watch it, andyou can try to assume that, but
you'll probably be wrong andYouTube will probably be right.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
You can litter your video with thousands of ads if
you want to.
I don't know if thousands, butlike, you can litter your video
with as many ads as you want, atlike every few seconds.
That doesn't mean YouTube isgoing to put ads there.
It's going to show the useronly so many ads per session and
it's going to space them out ina way it feels like the user
will tolerate.
So what you're doing isbasically telling YouTube I
invite you to put an ad at thesespots, sure, and YouTube will

(27:50):
then automatically decide whichspots to utilize.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Basically, Yep, totally.
And if you love discussionslike this, we have a Discord
which I've been promoting a lotlately because I think it's cool
.
This is the vidIQ Discord.
This is the general chat.
For those of you watching onYouTube, you can see it.
This is really cool.
This is where a bunch of greatthis part right here is free, by
the way vidIQcom slash Discordyou can come in and talk to
other people, get feedback onyour thumbnails, titles,

(28:16):
everything.
Again, this was free.
You just go to vidIQcom slashDiscord.
But if you have something likeone-on-one or boost, there's a
whole section specifically foryou guys where there are people
who will review your videos thatare not just other creators but
like people that are actualexperts and sometimes I'm in
there, but people likePowerDragon is what we call an

(28:38):
advisor, super, super, supersmart guy Watchtower.
There's a bunch of people inthere that can really help you
with your thumbnails, titles andmore, and again, that's if you
have Boost or 101.
You can still get that in thefree section as well, but that
section is really special and,of course, the free section as
well.
You can come to the VidEye Crewchannel and talk to us about the
podcast you can see in hereright now, derek's lawn rescue

(29:00):
is back.
He's showing uh some picturesabout a video he's going to make
.
He has some questions about itand uh, I'll probably go in
there after this podcast andgive my two words of of thoughts
.
So make sure you check out, uhthe vidicrew discord.
Uh, we'll leave a link in thedescription and the show notes
next.
Next question is from Neil, whois a longtime listener, and he

(29:23):
says Hi Peeps, which is actuallya joke about Peeps the candy,
not just hey Peeps, you knowit's like because Peeps-.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Are those candy?
Do they qualify as candy?

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Okay, this is a great question.
I think they qualify as trash,but it's a good question because
I actually uh, Jen made me eata peep on one of the episodes.
Um, it was terrible it was it'swild that they make that.
Peeps are the water of candy?
It's not even.
It's not even the water ofcandy, it's like the sewage
water of candy.

(29:53):
I don't know what you'retalking about.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
This is from Neil.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
I know you love hearing a new viewers and
creators contact you, but Ithought I needed to email my old
friends.
Really, at this point I didn'thave a question, but consider
this as encouragement for othertiny channel creators.
It also touches on a couple ofvideos from the main vidIQ
channel I know you fab folkshave talked about.
I posted a video on the 15th ofNovember and up to the 14th of
February of this year it was at570 views and gave me 12

(30:18):
subscribers.
Then I started to see a boostin views and since February it's
gained an extra 1,800 views,with 2,387 views total and 39
subscribers.
I think this is awesome and ifyou're looking on the YouTube
channel, you can see thescreenshot where it shows that
for almost 100 days this videodid nothing.
It just kind of sat there andthen YouTube did its thing, and

(30:42):
we've talked about this so manytimes, but I'm so glad someone
who listens to the podcastactually sent in a screenshot to
prove the point.
Yeah, it can happen at any time.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Yeah, and I feel like , with the way the graph looks,
it's going to keep going.
I don't think it stops at 2,400views, I just think it's going
to.
This video looks like it'sgoing to just continue going up
for a while and, yeah, I thinkall videos flatline after a bit,
but this is a really strongsignal.
I've had videos do this andthey've gone on to be some of my
most successful videos justacross the board.

(31:13):
So, yeah, congrats, that'sawesome.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, neil's a great woodworking guy and so a lot of
his content is going to beevergreen, which means videos
that take off after 100 days aregoing to be not uncommon.
Evergreen content doesn'tnecessarily take off at the
beginning and a lot of times,just straight up does not take
off at the beginning.
It takes time for it to findthe audience that's going to
resonate with it and it justgoes to show like don't panic if

(31:37):
something out of the gatedoesn't do well.
I mean you had the Outdoor Boysvideo on our main channel.
Same thing happened.
It was dead in the water andthen all of a sudden one day it
was like you know what Algorithmcomes in and goes.
We're going to bless this videoright now.
And there you go.
All, right, now this next one.
I just saw the intro for it andI get it.
I get what they're saying here.
I know what you're saying andthat's why I love this community

(32:01):
, because they get us.
Hey, travis and Jan and that's acallback to a previous episode,
if you're new here to thepodcast you're saying what are
these little inside jokes?
You just got to hang out Binge.
Watch this stuff, you'll see it.
It's Leo from Germany, amid-time viewer here.
Unfortunately I can'tcontribute to the candy corn
discussion Maybe luckily, sinceit's not really a thing over

(32:21):
here but I do love darkchocolate.
How are you about darkchocolate, dan?
I know you don't eat a lot ofcandy or anything but chocolate.
Milk chocolate versus darkchocolate Okay.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Milk chocolate is candy and dark chocolate is like
a cooking ingredient.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
I couldn't even put that better.
Like you, literally.
I'm not even going to add tothat that.
You just dunked on it.
I love it.
All right, we're going to keepmoving.
That was, that was fire.
I studied film, film musiccomposition and started my
YouTube journey last November.
So far, things are going well.
I'm about to hit three K subsand my returning viewers are
growing.

(32:54):
However, a lot of my videos areflatlining.
Jeff, my coach hey, I'll have ayou shout out to Jeff has
helped me a ton, especially withthe emotional roller coaster
which, by the way, a real thing.
Besides making music, I'm apassionate cyclist.
Every year, a friend and I headout on a big adventure with our
tents.
In two weeks, we'll be cyclingfrom Munich to North Cape around
2,500 miles.
That's ridiculous.
I would never do such a thing.

(33:16):
I wouldn't even drive 2,500miles, let alone cycle 2,500
miles.
Yeah, that's wild.
Recently, I've heard about usingyour unfair advantages for
content creation, which got methinking.
Should I start a second channelfeaturing my bike packing trips
, maybe even in my nativelanguage, german?
Why?
Because I need variety in mylife.
Music has been with me since Iwas five years old and while it

(33:38):
will stay close to my heart.
I don't want to focus solely onit forever.
That said, I'm not really sureif I want to put another
personal hobby out there foreveryone to see it.
How do you decide, when you'vereached a point where you should
turn a tan line activity into aflat line passion, when it
might be smarter to just keepsome things for yourself?
And, dan, I think you canprobably speak to this as much
as anyone, probably on theentire thing, because you really
keep some things to yourselfprivately, and I respect that.

(34:02):
You've drawn borders and linesaround your life and said I'm
willing to share this, I'mwilling to do this out in the
public, but the rest of this ismine.
Talk to us about that and talkto us about this question,
because this is a really goodquestion.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Yeah, I'm actively working on a video right now
about should you start a secondchannel that's going to be
basically the name of itactively working on a video
right now about should you starta second channel that's going
to be basically the name of itand it goes into this type of
discussion of like why, like,when, why, what are the, what
are the pros, what are the cons?
And just to give it to youreally briefly, the pros are
what this creator is saying.
Like I have this passion.
I, and I don't want to do thisone thing forever.

(34:34):
I, I want to explore otherpassions on on youtube.
The cons, of course, thebiggest one we talk about in the
video, is going to revolvearound actually how you spend
your time.
That new channel is likeadopting a new pet You're just
going to need to feed it andwater it and take care of it and
take it out to go poop, andit's really important that you

(34:55):
spend time nurturing it, justlike your main channel,
depending on what your goals are.
So, with that out of the way,what I will say is that I'm the
kind of person who's a hard timetelling myself no, um.
So, for a little bit of insight, the, the gaming channels and
stuff that I've worked on.
The past, like the one I moreactively work on in my free time
, is about a specific genre ofgame, and there is a new game

(35:16):
that just came out that I'm,that, I'm very, and I'm like I
should do something with thisbecause I know I'm going to make
myself more time to play it ifI stream it or whatever, but my
audience doesn't watch.
I've not nurtured that kind ofaudience, so I don't think I'd
make a new channel about it, butthe line I drew for that is it
does making streams or videos onthis game create an opportunity

(35:40):
for me?
Like, am I going to get moreviews?
Am I going to attract even moreviewers to my channel or
whatever, the answer istypically no.
When I, when I switch genres,like my viewers don't watch and
therefore youtube is like well,this is a dud and it's not going
.
Maybe over time it will, butdoesn't typically go out to that
new audience that I want.
So I tell myself, no, this doesnot create an opportunity for
me and therefore I'm going toenjoy this new game on my own on

(36:03):
my free time, which, as Ipredicted, I'm not playing it as
much because I'm focused on myYouTube channel In my free time.
I like working on this YouTubechannel, so that is how I drew
that line.
And then the other thing I'veconsidered, when I have gotten
into a habit of not tellingmyself no, is I have made these
decisions and played these othergames or did these other things

(36:24):
on youtube and I realized thatat a certain point it created
more burnout, because now I'mhaving to.
Yes, it was fun in the momentto play this new game, but now I
got to make a thumbnail for it,for a completely different
format of game.
So I'm not used to making those, and I got to figure out a
title, but a title that attractsa totally different audience.
I have to think about how thataudience what if they join my
Discord?
Will those two audiences haveanything in common with each

(36:46):
other?
So the fun part was playing thegame.
In your case it would be cycling, right.
And then it's all the stuff youhave to do after your trip is
over, or that night when you'reediting, or whatever.
Do you want to spend that timeor is it going to ruin this
thing that you're doing?
And that's that's been my issue.
And so you really so, and itjust depends on the kind of

(37:06):
person you are, what your goalsare.
You really need to think aboutthose specific problems and
decide, for it's gonna.
It's gonna be up to you everysingle thing you choose to make
a video about.
It's gonna be up to you whetheror not that's a whole endeavor
you want to like carry with youfor a while yeah, you know
what's interesting is.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
I'm glad you said it like that because I can speak to
this.
I um, I had I had one at onepoint started a secondary
channel, uh, about something.
Well, let me rewind.
I love video games, play videogames.
I was thinking, oh, I shouldjust stream when I play video
games, and the times that I didit was of fun.
But I noticed that I was sodistracted by chat and

(37:44):
everything that I couldn't enjoythe video game.
So instead of just turning mybrain off and playing the video
game, I was like actively doingstuff and it felt like I'd never
played the game.
I was playing it for someoneelse and there's nothing wrong
with that.
But the reason that I playgames is to kind of relax and
have fun and whatever, and Inoticed that that wasn't as fun.
So I haven't done that in along time.
I still might from time to time, here and there, just for fun,

(38:05):
but I noticed I don't have asmuch fun.
Now fast forward to a coupleyears later, when I decided to.
I was watching a bunch ofreality TV shows and I'm like I
should just do reactions tothese TV shows and just put it
on YouTube.
I'm watching them anyway, I'lljust record myself reacting to
them.
Great, I started doing them.
I started doing the videos theyactually did really well for

(38:26):
like a channel that wasn't even.
It was just a completelyseparate channel.
I never I didn't shout out formy other channel, cause you
couldn't.
It was completely differentsubject matter.
It just was literally what itwas and I was getting hundreds
of views in the first videos,like I think a couple have like
a thousand, a thousand views orsomething at this point.
But here's a problem, exactlywhat you said.
Uh, you did have to.
I did have to go back and kindof edit, not really, but just a
little bit and even just that,and even just having to react in

(38:49):
the way stopping the to playthe, stopping the video to make
the reaction, made me not likewatching the show anymore
because it somehow associateditself with work.
Yeah, that I actually stopped.
Despite the fact I was hardcoreinto watching those shows.
I stopped watching and have notwatched them since, like years
ago.
It was almost like when yourparents find you smoking, you go
well, you're going to smoke allthese three packs of cigarettes

(39:11):
and you better smoke them allback to back to back.
I smoked all them cigarettes andI'm done, I'm like no negative,
never again.
So there is the danger and itdoesn't happen to everybody, but
there is the danger that youcould mix, take the thing that
you really love to do, just torelax and kind of take away from
and you kind of like, oh, I dowant to share that with people,
but realize that once you putthe youtube rework with it, it

(39:34):
for some people it enhances it,for some it destroys it.
So I, I would, while I wouldsay normally the answer this is
yeah, I'd do a secondary channel, just be fun.
Whatever, you have to lookwithin yourself to know whether
or not you're going to be ableto release yourself from the
expectations of oh, I need tomake sure this video is a one of
10.
And you know, the moreimportant thing is the activity,

(39:56):
not the YouTube part of it.
If you want to share it, that'sfine, but if you connect those
two, it will quickly not becomeas fun.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
And the last point I'll make there is it is so
important and I think newYouTubers put this aside a lot.
I know I certainly did it is soimportant to have activities
outside of YouTube that you canuse to take a break from YouTube
, that you can use to take abreak from your daily life work,
shopping, shopping, all thatstuff like you know shopping for
groceries and boring stuff likethat washing your car like it's

(40:25):
so important to do fun thingsto fill your own soul.
And you'll find, in a lot ofcases it gives you inspiration
in places you just wouldn'texpect it.
You know.
Yes, if gaming is my hobby andit's also a thing I do on
youtube, it's.
It's a little bit different,but if I'm playing a game for
myself, I'll find myself lateron it's easier for me to come up
with ideas for new videos.

(40:45):
Ideas that I feel like these arebangers.
These are actually prettydecent ideas is when I'm trying
to force it, when I'm forcingmyself into work mode and I'm
trying to force myself to comeup with good ideas.
They're not bangers, they'rereally hard-fought ideas that
I'm struggling to come up withand maybe I land on something in

(41:06):
that brainstorming moment, buta lot of times I just get
frustrated and I'm like, well, Igotta make something.
I said I would and I'm nowyou're doing youtube out of
obligation, like give yourself,and I'm not.
Now I'm not even answering thisfor the the person asking the
question, because I do feel likeif they're you know, I I don't.
I don't want them to think thatI oh, your cycling is your
hobby't do this.
It kind of sounds like I'mprobably talking you out of it
If you probably have otherhobbies.
I'm just saying for anybody outthere don't make every single

(41:28):
hobby.
You have a, a skill that needsto be marketed on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Like I really don't want to go for a huge tangent.
No, I love this here's like anexample.
I started collecting pokemoncards.
Now I started this recently ata time that was really bad
because everyone was suddenlydoing it.
I think I just whatever hivemind controls all the people
buying pokemon cards.
I accidentally fell into it andI started doing it the same
time and they became likeimpossible to get.
Yeah, what did I do?
I will.
I will unfurl these pokemoncards on my live stream.

(41:54):
That should be fun.
Yeah, it's a little bit outsidemy normal thing, but I'm buying
them anyway and it seems like afun niche to get into.
Maybe I make a channel about it, blah, blah, blah.
The youtube stuff did make itmore difficult.
Um, there was suddenly likethere was a portion of my
audience really enjoyed it.
So now I'm like buying more ofthese things.
At the end of the day, I'm nottrying to sell these cards.
I'm not doing this as a thingto make money.

(42:15):
I'm literally doing it for fun.
I'm like, oh, I used to collectthose and this set set looks
kind of cool.
I I remember starting pokemoncard binders.
I want to do that again.
That sounds kind of nostalgicand fun and it just takes the
fun out of it when it becomessomething you do on youtube,
especially if you're a monetizedchannel you're, you are doing
it for money.
There's that hope in my headthat, hey, this can kind of
maybe fund itself.

(42:35):
And as soon as that thoughtenter my mind.
Now I have an obligation tothese videos you know like, and
if they donate now they'reexpecting me to do another one,
because they gave me a superchat and that was enough to
cover the price of like somecards.
So it just like it turns into ajob and not every hobby has to
be a thing.
There's this huge scalpermarket with pokemon cards and

(42:56):
again, these are not collectors.
These are people seeing a hobbyand trying to turn it into
money for themselves, andthere's a time and a place to
make money in life.
Not everything you do shouldhave a financial thing attached
to it because it's going to burnyou out.
Every it all will become someform of work.
It'll create those negativeconnotations.
You know, like travis wassaying with the tv shows, like I
don't like this show anymorebecause it's work.

(43:17):
Now, even if it's a little bitof work, it's's still.
There's that thing.
It's like I could watch theshow.
I was the game, the gameexample I gave earlier, I could
play this game on my Steam Deck.
But I can't record on my SteamDeck, so what does that?
mean, well, I better go upstairswhere I'm less comfortable, and
then I can play the game aslong as my recording software is
running.
That's not fun, right, like andbe in work mode.

(43:44):
For what if I just need tounplug?
So I don't know.
That's my very convoluted rant.
The point is, you should havesome hobbies that maybe cost you
money and don't make you moneyjust to fill your soul.
And if you can find hobbieslike cycling that don't cost you
money every time you do it,that's even better.
But that's what I have to sayabout that I love it.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Okay, last question for the show.
This one comes from Winged Hawk.
This was actually a commentfrom a video.
I have a question in regards toyour own videos recommending
the next video in a series.
I had a video do really wellfor my channel and was super
excited about it, and then Imade a second episode.
It isn't doing quite as greatand I can see in analytics that
my previous video isn'trecommending it at all.
Is there a way, without endscreens, to manually have the

(44:24):
algorithm recommend?
My second video is completelyup to the audience, other than
end screens.
I'm just going to tell you endscreens and linked um links in
like pin comments is the way todo it.
Uh, I wouldn't avoid endscreens at all.
Like I'm an end screen dude, Ilove end screens.
If, for some reason, there's areason you can't do an end
screen which I only time thatreally would be the case is uh,
kids, um, then the way it's doneis YouTube looks at what people

(44:51):
watch and then what they watchnext, and if enough people do
that, that will become the upnext on the watch page, which
will sometimes autoplay as well,and that's how you get that
I've been able to do this withvideos before on my own channel,
but I've done them through endscreens.
I end screen the old one to thenew one, the new one to the old
one, and after a while it justnaturally happens.
It's naturally the up nextthing, super easy to do.

(45:14):
I don't know why you'd want toavoid end screens and, by the
way, even if you do that, it'snot a guarantee that it's going
to work, but it definitelystacks the deck in your favor
and I'm all about stacking thedeck in my favor when it comes
to anything youtube related.
I know that this works.
I know how youtube suggeststhese things, so I'm going to do
things in that way make thingsthat are topically related.

(45:36):
After watching this video,what's the next video someone's
going to want to watch from mychannel?
I'm going to do that.
Enough, youtube will figure outthe rest.
Um, and we've done that even onthe vid iq channel, I think,
for a couple of videos.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
I would also add to that that sometimes videos just
don't do well, for whateverreason.
Maybe it was an audiencemismatch.
In general, that no amount ofend screens will save you yeah,
and that's okay too.
I think, being that you'relistening to this particular
podcast maybe you watch thevidIQ main channel you are going
to naturally be a moreanalytical person.
You're going to feel like weare encouraging you to

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constantly be in your analyticsand keep up with these things,
and in a way, we are.
But I also understand that at acertain point, you have to get
on with making your next video.
I don't want you to abandon theseries because one video did
well and one video did not, andtherefore 50% of these videos
aren't going to do well.
That's not how it works.
You're just going to have ebbsand flows.
You will get a millionsubscribers and still have ebbs

(46:30):
and flows, like we do.
We have 2 million subscribersand we still have videos where
we try something and it doesn'twork, and we'll do it four or
five times before we kill itcompletely because we're like
well, wait a minute, maybe thisone.
We thought about it.
It didn't reach the audiencelike we thought it would, so
let's just make another one.
Let's stick to the plan, anddoing that generally is even if

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all of the videos flop.
We learn so much more from thatthan if we turn and run at the
first sign of trouble.
So give your video a second tobreathe and, yes, look at the
analytics, try to learn fromthem, but don't dwell on them to
the point where it's stoppingyou from creating.
Yeah, your next, your thirdvideo in the series.
Like you also do still need todo that if, especially with a
plan, if you're just tryingsomething a couple times and you

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didn't have anything plannedanyway, sure if you're enjoying
it, sure, but like you had aplan, like, stick to the plan,
adapt where you can and don'tdon't just like turn on
something.
Well, this series is a dud.
No, no, the first video didwell.
The third video can also dowell.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah, so just a note for people watching in the
future.
We have Jen and I got togetherand we did six episodes in a
studio, which is great, so thosenext couple episodes will be
coming out over the next coupleof weeks.
You may see other episodes likethis sprinkled in between, so
don't get confused.
It's not like you missedanything.

(47:49):
Just keep an eye on the youtubechannel if you're watching
those, if you're an audiopodcast listener, they're pretty
much mostly going to sound thesame anyway, so it's not that
big of a deal, but if you're ayoutube watcher, you might see
you know things coming.
I say it all to say that anemail came in while we were
recording this.
I won't be able to get to itfor a while.
You may not see your email getanswered for weeks at this point
, but don't worry about it.
If it's a good question, we'llget to it.
Um, just be patient andhopefully you're enjoying the
content anyway.
So, uh, you know, let's, let'ssee what happens.

(48:11):
Uh, anything great and excitinghappening on the main channel.
Uh, as of the recording of this, dan, that you're excited about
uh, I'll just go back topromoting the.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Should you start a second channel video?

Speaker 2 (48:22):
at this point.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
I think it's going to come out at the end of the
month or maybe early next month.
Okay, because we're gettingahead on content, but I don't
want to promote too many.
We've already promoted a lot ofstuff.
I don't want you to forgetabout it because I think it
sounds like a lot of folks here,based on these questions, are
thinking in that same kind ofrealm.
You all sound like you were astep past the very beginning.

(48:50):
Early creator and a secondchannel video is definitely for
I.
I imagine that video is notgoing to do as well because we
cater to the brand new youtubersa lot um.
But folks like yourselves seemlike you are thinking in those
terms, like maybe maybe a secondchannel is right for me, maybe
it's not.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
So I'm trying to make a case for both sides of that
argument in that video and I'mexcited about it I think it'll
be great and we need to be, andwe're trying to expand the
creativity on the main channelfor different things and
figuring out what other thingsyou want us to talk about.
As a matter of fact, you canalways send us an email at
theboostvidacuecom or, if you'relistening to the audio podcast,
there's a link Send us a textmessage.
Tell us what type of contentyou'd like to see here, either

(49:22):
on Well, with that, we're goingto say adieu and we'll catch
y'all in the next one.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
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