April 21, 2025 • 51 mins
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The mysterious world behind having a successful YouTube channel isn't always what it seems. As Travis and Jen reunite after their in-studio recording sessions, they dive deep into the psychological realities that come with growing as a creator.
Jen opens up about her new role producing content for the main channel, sharing a surprisingly vulnerable moment about re-recording videos multiple times because they didn't feel authentic to her voice. This sparks a fascinating conversation about creative identity and how easily creators can lose themselves trying to match what they think content "should" be rather than what feels natural.
The duo tackles a question about channel impersonators, revealing the dark side of YouTube success when scammers create fake accounts to exploit your audience. They share practical advice for protecting your community while acknowledging the frustrating reality that these bad actors are increasingly sophisticated. It's a sobering reminder that growth comes with unexpected responsibilities.
Perhaps most enlightening is their candid discussion about the metrics that actually matter. Contrary to what most new creators believe, subscriber counts have become increasingly irrelevant in the modern YouTube ecosystem. With algorithms effectively serving content regardless of subscription status, the hosts argue that view duration and engagement hold far more value than that once-coveted subscriber milestone. As Travis puts it: "Subscribing is irrelevant," a statement that might shock those still chasing those numbers.
Both hosts reflect on their personal journeys, with Jen confessing, "I cried harder at 100,000 views than a million views," highlighting how those early achievements always feel more significant than later, larger ones. It's a powerful reminder to appreciate each step of your creator journey rather than constantly chasing the next benchmark.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
hey, welcome to the only podcast that loves you more
than you love yourself.
I'm travis and I'm here withjen hi everybody we are back in
our own abodes.
That's a special way of sayinghomes homes yeah home.
We're back home, which is, youknow, cool, and I think it was
cooler when we were hanging outin person, though I think it was
(00:20):
.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I think we should do it again.
I am pumped on my coat's alittle new corner, but the
studio vibe was unmatched.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah, I agree, and we had a great time even
afterwards, where we gotsomething to eat, which was cool
this little place across thestreet, which was really fun,
and I agree.
I think we will do it again verysoon, so keep an eye out for
that.
If you're new here, welcome tothe only podcast in the world
that is about candy and growingyour YouTube channel all at the
same time.
I mean almost literally.
(00:54):
My name is Travis and Jen ishere and we just talk about how
to grow your channel and thenvarious random things.
If you want to leave us amessage, you can do so.
If you're listening to theaudio podcast, you'll see a link
in there that gives you achance to text message us, or
you can email us attheboostatvidiqcom, where we
answer your questions, which wewill be doing today.
However, it's funny rightbefore we went on the air, I was
(01:17):
talking to Jen about one of theupcoming videos she has that's
coming out on the main channel.
I guess I might be having alittle spot in it as well and um
, it's true, travis does have alittle.
I don't even want to give itaway, we'll just say cameo and
some of the other podcastsfavorite listeners uh john, I
think, will be in it as well,which is fun.
(01:38):
So what has it been like so farto uh be on the main channel
with your own video ideas andyour own videos, like you've
already had one.
It was released.
The thumbnail was fire.
I thought it was great.
I loved it um what?
What has that process been likefor you so far?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
it's been really interesting.
I feel I have to keep remindingmyself like this is a new job.
Like this is a new position.
Like I'm in an entirely newdepartment, working with
everybody is new.
Like there's no crossover frommy last position and it's weird
to face, you know, some of thethings that are easy to overlook
(02:17):
in terms of being a creator.
But like now this is a this isa job.
Like this is a full-time job.
Like I have, you know,responsibilities in ways that I
want to prove myself, in waysthat I want to establish myself
on the main channel and likealso just like show up and be.
Like I promise I'm good at myjob.
I swear, I promise you but thenthere's also pressures that come
(02:40):
in with like the youtube thing,like travis and I were just
talking about.
Like I re-recorded a videothree times and I'll be the
first person to tell you, like,don't even re-record it.
I mean re-record if you have toright, but three times wow
that's a lot embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I think the only time I've ever had to record
something three times is whenthere was a technical issue,
like the audio didn't record orthe video went out of sync or
something that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I would tell people no, no, unless there was
literally something wrong withit, I'm sure it's fine, Grow
past it.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, I agree, which I would.
I hate it, but you know,inevitably, and this tends to be
true, the last time you do itends up being the best time,
because you've done it so manytimes it, you've done it so many
times it was the best Was itLike I had the scripts like very
, very easily memorized and ofcourse, that's something that
I'm working on and it was.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I just didn't like the first two editions and I
rewrote the script every time.
I rewrote or redid the videobecause it just didn't feel
right.
And, like I said, you stillhave to kind of go with those
creative instincts too, whereI'm like I just don't think this
is at the level that I want itto be at, and no outside
pressure coming in being likehey, you need to redo that.
I was just like no, this is metrying to get better at what I'm
(03:58):
doing, trying to be reallyhappy with what I'm at, even
though I do need to rememberlike this is new.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Right, of course, Give yourself some grace.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I know I have to talk myself back down, but crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Well, I think that actually lends itself to some
advice to creators, because thisis something that goes along
with what you're trying toaccomplish at the end goal,
right, like what is the end goal?
So the end goal for thispodcast, specifically, is to
help creators and kind of giveyou a new outlet and a new
community to hang out withpeople, like-minded people, and
(04:34):
just have fun, like that's whatthis is all about, learning
along the way and having acommunity that we can all get
along with and y'all do that.
Speaking of community,ironically our first kind of
comment comes in from a textmessage and, by the way, we got
a lot of text messages andemails from the since the last
(04:54):
time we were live, actually thelast time you and I were in
person.
So I just want to say thatwe're going to be behind on some
of these.
So over the next couple ofweeks, you may not see, we might
not even get to all of them,but if you send in a message and
you're like, oh, this is areally good question really,
when you know this, you mightactually have to wait a couple
episodes because we're probablygoing to do some of them in
person, which will be I thinkit'll be even more fun.
Um, yeah, so don't worry if yousend it in and you're like this
(05:16):
is a really important question.
I haven't heard it.
It's been three episodes.
Don't worry, if it's good,we're going to get to it.
So the first one is how do weget to the Discord for the vidIQ
community?
This is great, because one ofthe things Jen and I are doing
is, once a month, we're going torecording episodes and talking
to you listeners.
Hello.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Back and forth.
Ah, so fun.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
That was so much fun and you can ask us questions
directly.
Now the link for the Discord isactually in the show notes and
in the description for the video, so you can't miss it.
Apparently this person missed it, I don't know because the link
to yeah, the link to send thetext message is just a little
bit above the link for thediscord.
But what is discord?
Some people don't know.
It's a.
It's a you could say it'ssoftware but really you can use
(05:58):
it in a browser as well, wherepeople thing and the vid iq
community is really cool becauseit actually has um, a group of
creators that all want to growat the same time and there's a
lot of really smart people inthere.
They can help you 24 7.
There's people in there all thetime and we have our own little
channel for the podcast wherewe go in there and reach a chat
and we we share memes it's justfun to have creator friends too,
(06:20):
like other people that just getit yes, and I think that's
something that um I've said thisbefore, I think on this show,
one of the reasons that thisthing even exists is because of
that exact thing.
I had that coming up in adiscord with other friends
creator friends.
I thought it was such animportant part of my journey
that I wanted other people tohave that same experience, and
now you can have it and, like Isaid, jen and I go in there and
(06:44):
we're gonna do an episode.
I think we're recording it in aweek or so, but by the time you
hear this, probably the sameweek, you just got to be in
there, who knows you just got tobe in there all the time, and
then we'll just pop up and belike hey, we're recording an
episode, come and ask usquestions.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You never know.
We're gonna pop in and do allkinds of stuff shenanigans First
email of the week from Connorhey Tren.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
It's Connor.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Oh, my gosh Two N's too, I love it.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It's got to be right Because you know, jen, you have
two N's.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, it's so funny, though, Like it just makes sense
.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
It's the best of all worlds.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Way to go, Connor.
We're impressed already.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
From the windy city of Chicago.
I've never been to Chicago.
I've always wanted to go.
The pizzas sound amazing.
Before we get to my question, Ijust need to say after hearing
you guys talk about candy corn,I had to chime in.
I remember the night ofHalloween when I would try to
get as much candy corn aspossible is by far the best
candy.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I see, I knew I loved Connor.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Nah, bro, that's not it.
Okay, time for my question.
I have a bird channel, justlike my friend who actually just
emailed recently.
I think that sounds vaguelyfamiliar Someone had a bird
channel.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Oh my gosh, let's go.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I'm using his computer, so don't tell him.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
What this is getting sketch.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
This is very sketch, very sus right now and I post
funny clips that are mainlyshorts.
Unlike my friend, I have 200subs when he only has 95.
Wow, and you're using hiscomputer.
Hello, I have started to try todo more long-form content
recently and I'm only doing itso I can get closer to
monetization.
My main goal on YouTube is tomake money in the next year and
(08:15):
I think 4,000 watch hours willbe easier than 10 million shorts
views.
I agree with this.
I personally agree with thatstatement.
Am I wrong?
I don't know.
Is there a way to make shortsmore viral, since I always get
between 1,000 and 6,000 viewsper short and I don't think I
can post more?
I can post 10 shorts a day as Ialready have a full-time job.
First of all, 1,000 to 6,000views for short is great.
(08:37):
Like that's for 200 subscribers.
That's crazy and more thantrying to help you with, like,
how to make your shorts better,we need to go back to remember
the 50 views thing.
We did a couple, like a coupleweeks ago and people love that
episode.
6,000 views on a short is verydifficult.
It's hard for people who arenew to YouTube to understand
what that, what that actuallymeans and how hard that is to
(09:00):
get.
You also have to remember theway they're counting shorts.
Now it's different, so that'sthe other thing.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Oh my gosh, that's right.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I was reminded of this when I recently uploaded a
short on this channel and it waslike hey, it's like a 1 out of
10.
It tells you, but we countshorts differently.
But you know, we talked aboutthis whole thing about what's
the number doing.
It's making you feel betterabout yourself, but regardless 6
(09:30):
, you feel better about yourself, but regardless 6 000, whether
it's the quote, engage views orwhatever the views are well,
it'll be the new normal now, soit'll be easy for them to
compare.
Yeah, at some point, yeah, it'llall be the same, but regardless
, um, that's a lot and you haveto understand that.
Like getting a whole bunch oftens of thousands of millions of
views on a short, it's just,it's the top of the top, of the
top percentage.
You just, you just don't see itvery often.
Does it mean it won't happen toyou?
No, it might.
You might get one that pops offor whatever, and it could be
great.
But the normal reality thatmost people experience isn't
(09:52):
even what you're seeing.
It's less than what you'reseeing.
It's hundreds of you know it's.
It's so hard for creators to seethis, though, like so so hard
yeah all they can focus in a lotof the time is just the big,
big views yeah, I need to get ashirt that says 50 views is
amazing and just like have areally cool design and have a
(10:14):
badass and whatnot.
Yeah, because, again, I don'twant to say that you, you should
only be short shooting for lowviews.
That's not what I'm saying.
But what I'm saying is, whenyou get something like that, I
think it's just hard for peopleto understand that that's a lot.
Six thousand on a short,especially consistently, is a
lot.
Five, one thousand, it doesn'tmatter if you're getting two,
that, whatever, that's a lot,and a tremendous amount of
(10:35):
creators out there are not evengetting that many, so you're
already succeeding if youcontinue to do it it could
continue to get bigger.
It just depends on on whatyou're doing.
So I wouldn't say that we havelike here this is how you get
more views.
I'd say you're actually gettinga lot already for 200
subscribers.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
You shouldn't be averaging that many, so you're
already winning plus, there isno like secret hack to youtube
like that.
There's nothing that we couldbe like here.
Here's the most magical thingthat's going to make you all the
money in the world.
That's just not how YouTubeworks.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I mean, if it did, I would be doing it first before I
told anybody.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
If it did, we'd have one episode here and it would be
the end.
Everybody would be a YouTubemillionaire.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
That would be it.
We're like yeah, this is theonly episode you will ever see
from us, from uh from us and uhcongratulations.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
We're all rich now?
Don't think that is?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
the episode, but why?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
did they want short strategy if they didn't even
want to get monetized on shorts?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
that's what I'm also at like.
So why?
Yeah, I think they were askingwell, it doesn't make sense.
Yes, I think it makes sense todo longer form content if you're
trying to get monetized,because the hours watch hours
would be a little easier than 10million views in like 90 days
focus on the content, not theviews.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Focus on the views.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
You can make bad content look you mic dropping
over here, we just got startedsorry what are you mic?
What are you mic dropping?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
for what's wrong.
All right, sorry.
All right, let's get sorry,connor connor just got mic
dropped.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
All right, hey, jan and Travis, I wanted to send
this along to the vidIQ.
I saw this on my YouTube appthe other day and it was gone in
a couple seconds and I had torefresh later.
So I created a mock-up, whichis not in this image, but I'll
explain in a minute.
It's a world of just thumbnails, no titles, no view count,
channel names or date published.
Maybe you guys are aware I justwant to the edge on the update,
just in case, not.
So what this was is an image ofand I've seen this before.
(12:24):
I think most of us have seenthis where you open up the vid
IQ app, or not, to vid IQ, butthe YouTube app, and all you see
is thumbnails, right Like.
You don't see the titles, youjust have to choose the video
based on that.
Now, this is probably a testthat YouTube is rolling out on
mobile, because every once in awhile they'll test these things.
This is something that doesn'tsurprise me, I've never seen
(12:45):
that You've never seen this.
No, I've seen it once or twiceand they do tests like this all
the time.
And I've said for a long timeas soon as YouTube can figure
out a way to not show viewcounts, they will.
I've said this for years now.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I know we have talked about this.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
And I honestly think it's a good idea.
Definitely, and we've had thisdiscussion before.
Not everyone agrees with me,but they're wrong.
I feel like this would be goodfor smaller channels, because
then you're not competing on.
Did your view?
Is your video only have 13views?
Your video might be the bestone on youtube with 13 views no
one knows, um, but I I thoughtit was interesting.
(13:22):
No channel names are daypublished and stuff like that um
where it's just the thumbnail Idon't know if just a thumbnail
makes sense.
I think the title I think youneed to have a title to to make
this make sense.
But they're going to test allof this.
They're literally going to testevery single way to simplify
the choice for a viewer untilthey perhaps one day make long
(13:44):
form, just like shorts, wherethey just throw it in your face
and then you swipe.
Would that be terrifying, orwhat?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I know We've talked through so many of these
situations and I feel like myanswers stay the same for the
most part.
But I do feel like with theviews showing, like I was very
like views should show and nowI'm kind of like I don't know.
I feel like the way I've beenwatching YouTube recently for
(14:14):
like the past several months,like I don't even know sometimes
like what the views are onvideos maybe how important is
that?
tv viewing thing where that isless.
I think it's actually maybemore the intention of why I'm
watching a video, whether I careor not.
Like if I'm looking forsomething, I want credibility
(14:35):
behind it.
If I just browsing, it, doesn'tmatter to me.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So here's if you're watching on the YouTube channel,
you're watching the podcast.
You can see it now.
I'd put it on screen real quick.
This is kind of what he wassaying.
This is a mock-up of it.
It's just these videos, that'sit.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
You don't see anything else.
So interesting See.
I agree I.
Otherwise we have to change theway we're doing thumbnails.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yes, we would have to put more actual text in the
thumbnail there needs to be morecontent.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, exactly Like it has to have a title in there,
which is like what we try toavoid now, so that it
compliments the title.
But I do think there could be aworld where that's switch kind
of edited into one.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I'm trying to think of how Netflix does it, because
a lot of times netflix will willchange the thumbnail of their
movies and stuff often, but thelayout always changes.
They're always trying tooptimize to keep people on
platform as long as possible.
It does seem like if this issomething that they're going to
do, they are shortifying theselection of long form videos,
(15:35):
but this is on phone, I assumeright, because it looked like
the format was on phone even ontv, is very similar to netflix,
where they're categorized as youscroll down.
Sure, yeah, they are.
Yes, that's true, I don't knowif it's like that on desktop
well, that's.
I watch a lot of desktop too,um, and not like that.
So you know if I look at mineright now.
(15:56):
Um, it is just a bunch of video.
I mean you can see everything.
You see the views, you can seewhen it was uploaded.
You definitely get a lot ofsuggested content.
You do get shorts.
That's funny.
We did get a lot of commentsfrom when you and I were in the
studio we talked about watchingshorts on tv, yeah, and there
were comments about peoplesaying, yeah, my kids do watch
shorts on tv.
I knew knew it.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
It's a younger generation thing.
Target TV shorts if you'regoing for.
I don't even think it is Gen Z,I don't know what generation.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
What is it?
I don't know what they areanymore Gen Alpha.
Is that a?
Thing?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I think it.
I don't know.
Oh my God, did I make that up?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
That's gross.
I don't think I made that up.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
It.
I don't think I made that up.
It's probably true.
Actually, do I have to Googlethis now, is that?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
what's happening?
I don't think I made that up.
Gen Alpha oh it came up.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Okay, yeah, generation.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Alpha is the generation of people born
between 2010 and last year, 2024.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Oh, wow.
Oh my gosh, we have anothergeneration Whoa.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Bro, what are we doing?
What was the one before Alpha?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I think it was Gen Z Is it?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
so in from Gen Z to Gen A.
Oh, so I just found a chartfrom Wikipedia.
Okay, there's the silentgeneration, lost generation,
which is 1883 to 1900.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
The greatest GI generation 1901.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I think these are made up.
I'm looking at it, it's onWikipedia, it has to be true.
1901 to 1901.
I think these are made up.
I'm looking at it, it's onWikipedia, it has to be true.
1901 to 1927.
The silent generation from 28to 45.
Baby boomers, which is thefirst one I had ever heard of.
I hadn't heard of silentgeneration 46 to 64.
Generation X, which I guess Ihad no idea, 65 to 80.
(17:35):
Millennials generation Y is 81to 96.
Zoomers, generation z is 97 to2012 and alpha is 2013 to mid
20s what's after that?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
what's in 2025?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
well, so they could still be considered alpha
because technically we're in themiddle of the 20s and they'll
probably change it.
Why did they do this?
Who decides when?
Who?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
decides this stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I think this is all wacky, I think it's crazy, I
think.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Travis just submitted this to Wikipedia.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Bro, I should just make the thing up.
I'm saying what's going on,what's?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
going on the fact that you said Zoomer.
I'm like I've never heard thatword in my life.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
You haven't, I have.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I actually have heard that you definitely just made
that up.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
No, it's a real word.
I've actually heard that.
I'm surprised you haven't heardthat.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Jen Zoomer.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Jen Zoomer.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Literally like that's my dog running around with the
Zoomies.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Well, I was just thinking.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Jen J name, jen zoomer, that's my superhero name
bro the next time you do avideo and you have your name,
put a jen zoomer.
Jen zoomer oh my god, that'syour new last name that's so
funny there's dr savage and jenzoomer oh my gosh, we sound like
a back to the future couplethat's so true.
Yes, bruh, you killing me whereare we going for halloween?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
your segue is much better than you think, because
I'm gonna show you somethingright here, this next email.
So the subject matter saidbreakfast is served and again,
if you're listening on audiopodcast, you're not gonna know.
You have to see this on thevideo.
Oh gosh, it's this which is theworld's largest Cadbury cream
egg.
I know you had seen this.
It's like a bathtub.
(19:23):
Look how big it is.
It's so big, I love it.
It's so big, I think, cadburydid it?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Are those Cadbury onesies they're wearing?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
It's wild right.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Let's get you one of those Travis.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I would wear it for let's reach out.
I don't like Halloween, but Iwould wear it for Halloween.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Let's get you a purple Cadbury onesie I dare you
?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
because I would do it , I would actually wear it and
you think I wouldn't, but Iwould unironically wear it With
the wrapping paper.
How do they get the wrappingpaper all big and everything?
Look at this of wild, because Ilove the cabaret eggs.
But this might actually inperson gross me out a little bit
because I look at it.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
That's interesting.
I don't know how I can do likea science experiment.
They're gonna crack it openwith a hammer and it's just
literally gonna flood out like avolcano yeah, it's again.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
It's a delicious treat, but when I look at it
like this, it almost kind ofgrosses me out shouldn't be
scaled to this size yeah, you'renot wrong.
Okay, we'll move on from that.
Uh, the next test text messagewas hi, my channel.
My channel has been doingreally well and I found out
someone was impersonating me.
Oh, contacting my subscribers,referencing their comments from
(20:30):
my page and trying to sell thema mentorship or other fake email
with my name on it.
Other than warning mysubscribers posting videos,
anything I can do about.
Thanks for all your help.
Remember this.
Like a year or two ago this washappening a lot Yep In people's
comments.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yep, I think I misunderstood this at first.
All contest giveaways, likeeverything.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
It was and, I guess, continues to be, terrible, and
YouTube has been trying to fightit for years.
Um, so, for the, for those whodon't know maybe they're not
either the channel isn't bigenough or they haven't seen a
channel where this has happened.
Uh, there's these impersonators, scammers, that will come into
your comment section, make a uh,an avatar that looks like your
channel and then say hey, youknow, you've won a contest or
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you know, contact me here andyou can, you know, win this, and
they pretend to be you andtypically, typically, we'll get
them on WhatsApp or somethinglike that and we'll scam them
out of money.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Ask for information.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, yeah, and then eventually like oh, you've won
this thing, but you got to payme money to ship it to you,
which is wild, and I knowfriends that have had that
happen to their channels.
And then they end up gettingviewers saying I just spent, I
sent you money, where's my gift?
And like what are you talkingabout?
Like you, just you know, thishappened a lot.
I think two years ago or so Ithought it kind of had calmed
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down, but obviously scammerswant money, so we'll figure out
new ways of doing it and I putin my upload defaults.
At the time I'd put in a wholedisclaimer and even some people
made videos about it in a littledisclaimer and even some people
made videos about it.
But it doesn't matter, becausenot everyone sees every single
video.
This is kind of the problem withthis you can make community
posts and everything you do, allthose things.
Inevitably, if you have enoughviewers and stuff especially
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people that are connected to youand really love your content
someone's gonna get scammed,probably, right you just?
Have to keep removing thecomments, which is terrible,
because youtube was doing aterrible job at it when this
first happened.
Um, so it's kind of put on thecreators.
Do you remember all this, jen?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
oh yeah, I mean you can try to target words that
will be blocked in the comments.
If you're seeing something, Ifeel like it's a tough one
because they're not reallyanything like super alarming.
Maybe even language like Idon't know.
I was going to say like send,like, send me anything that's
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going to be like directlyrequesting information.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I put like WhatsApp, because that was something.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
But they kept getting smarter and smarter and
changing the wording.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, that's the thing.
Like you can't, you can do yourbest, but you can't save the
whole world from being scammed.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
No, yeah, this is the unfortunate reality of being
online and so there's a lotwe've I love.
This is one of the things Ilove talking about when we're
doing these, these episodes.
It's just like all the thingsyou don't know about having a
successful youtube channel andthe things that come along with
it.
Uh, and this is one of thosethings where you know,
especially if you really haveworked hard and gathered a
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community that you reallyappreciate, and you see they're
getting scammed.
You feel bad and like helplessand like YouTube, help me, like
what's going on.
How come?
You know, why is this happening?
Why?
Why can't you do anything to tohelp help?
And and they do, they aretrying to help, but these
scammers are so smart and, yeah,it's one of the one of the bad
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sides of having a successfulchannel.
This is actually interesting.
So tell, what else can youthink of off the top of your
head, or even if you think aboutit.
Jen is a little unknown abouthaving a successful YouTube
channel.
Like what's the?
We hear about the good things,but what's like a bad thing?
In terms of like outside thingslike coming in Anything Like,
(24:06):
for example, maybe having lesstime with your friends,
literally so many.
Name, one name, one, name one.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Redoing your video three times because you don't
think it's good enough.
There you go.
You have to shoot your videothree times because you don't
think it's good enough.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
There you go.
You have to shoot your videothree times because you're a
perfectionist and a little bitcrazy.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Actually, you want to know what it wasn't actually
about.
Perfectionism, because I'm veryeasy to like look past mistakes
and stuff and be like get themnext time, tiger.
But it didn't feel like it wasme.
I did not like how it came out.
I don't think that I projectedmyself the way that I want to or
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feel confident in, like it feltrigid, it felt like scripted.
It just didn't feel likesomething that I watched and was
like oh, that feels good andthe creativity factor versus the
perfectionist, because theversion I did there's gonna be
(25:09):
tons of mistakes in there too,but for me it's not about that.
It was just looking at it andbeing like, okay, that's not the
kind of content that I make.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Which is something that is very easy to get caught
up in as a creator.
That's a downside of being onthe platform Like you lose
yourself as a creator constantly, you lose your personality, you
lose your vision, yourdirection.
No-transcript, that's it.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
yeah, you know, it's funny because I agree with this
in so many different ways and Iremember there's been only a
couple times, not a lot, butsometimes where I'm in the
middle of shooting something andit feels so wrong in some way
that I just I don't even want tosay the words, and then I just
stop and I'm like I'm not, thiswasn't good, this isn't gonna
happen.
And then I just stop and I don't, I don't finish it, I don't
(26:05):
edit it, it's it's only gonnahappen a couple times.
But if you ever feel that whenyou're shooting something
probably follow that feelingyeah, it's not gonna come out
good yeah like.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
So there's definitely a lot of I don't know if I
would say like toxic behaviorswhen it comes to that, but
there's a lot of time you'regonna try to force something
that's just not natural or howyou would normally do, something
just from the way like you feellike you should do it, yeah, or
a way even you're just likesubconsciously influenced to do
(26:38):
it just by what everybody elseis doing.
I feel like that weighs down,like that bleeds into so many
different areas on YouTube ingeneral.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah Well, I mean, look at the end of the day,
until you're there, it's hard to.
We can say all these things andthen in the moment you might
recognize oh yeah, okay, Iremember when Travis and Jen
talked about this feeling.
When you feel it, you'll know.
When you feel it, you'll knowwhen you're in the middle doing
a video and you just feel likewhen you were a kid and your
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parents made you eat broccoli oryou take medicine and you're
like this just isn't really.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
That's the feeling I'm talking about specifically
and it might be a good moment tostop and think of something
else, like we're creatives onthis side, like it has to feel
creatively in the rightdirection, creatives on the side
, like it has to feel creativelyin the right direction.
And if you just kind of feellike a, you know well, I would
say paid actor but not paid anunpaid actor in your own show.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
The things are not lining up yeah, don't force it
when you don't have.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah no, you should watch back your content and be
like that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
So this is interesting.
We briefly have mentioned thisonce before, but there is an
entire episode.
It might be two, but there'scertainly one episode that you
and I shot to completion andnever released.
And I know some people are like, really I didn't realize that.
Or some people who have beenlistening for a long time might
be like oh yeah, I rememberhearing about that and why
(28:10):
didn't we?
So I think this whole, you knowthis channel specifically and
the podcast itself.
When I was brought on to dothis stuff, one of the things I
said is I want to do it with Jenspecifically, because I knew
Jen was amazing, but I alsowanted to do it with Jen,
because I respect her opinion onthings right.
(28:30):
We don't always agree oneverything.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
We agree on a lot of things, especially not candy.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I fight all the time, especially not candy.
We definitely don't agree onthat.
But we have our quarterly fightright, that's true, but I feel
like you know you also don't.
I think sometimes working withsomeone who agrees with every
single thing you say is not agood thing either.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Like oh, sometimes working with someone who agrees
with every single thing you sayis not a good thing either.
Like, oh, yeah, you got itright.
You got it right, no wait, Iknow.
I think we balance each otherlike that like neither one of us
is just like yeah, go ahead.
Sure, yeah, do that.
I like that idea yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
So that video that we did, I was like oh, that's
pretty cool, it's a good idea,and jen was like I don't.
After we were done, I think jenlike I don't know if I feel
comfortable with that and we hada discussion about it and
ultimately, you know, I think weboth were like, well, I was
like I don't agree and youwouldn't agree, felt that my
(29:25):
side of it was more, was lessrational about why I liked it
versus jen's feeling for why shedidn't like it, right.
So I had to take myself out ofmy shoes and go are you saying
that you like it because youthink it's actually good or
because you just like thesubversiveness of it?
And I was honest with myselfand I'm like I like the
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subversiveness of it and whatJen was saying made a lot of
sense why she didn't like it.
And I'm like I can't arguethose points.
So, okay, we're not going to doit.
So it is a video that neverexisted, or it exists, but you
never see it.
I think it's a really coollittle thing.
That's in our history that mostpeople don't know and now
people listen episode will knowmore about.
(30:06):
But I think that's somethingthat happens in your growth, of
your your content creationcareer, if you want?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
yes, absolutely, and it's not like a bad thing, like
sure it sucks.
I mean, we took the time, wemade that it.
You know, you put it alltogether and then you, you know
it never, never sees theinternet, but that's okay.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Because it's okay.
The thing is is, when I thoughtthrough some of your thoughts
and rationalization of it, theother side of it is like what
could be the impact of this onthe negative side of things, if
we release this and there mightbe some risks in that and I'm
not, I wasn't really willing totake the risk of the bad stuff
just to make get another pieceof content out, and sometimes
(30:54):
you have to think about thatwhen you're making videos, like
if you make, if you make acommentary video about another
YouTuber this is very close tome because I had done this in
the past when I was first comingup Another larger YouTubers
commentary video might not beslamming them, but you might be
talking about them in a not likesuper positive way.
You have to think about a couplethings.
Number one what does that makethat other youtuber feel like?
If you put yourself in theirshoes?
Some other person makes a videoabout you that maybe is not
(31:16):
flattering.
Is that something you wouldlike to happen to you?
Um, is it worth the potentialtoxicity of getting into that
subject on your own channel whenyou might be a positive channel
overall?
Is that worth it?
That's something I've also hadto deal with in the past.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
So it's the exact same situation.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Yeah, and I you know, in thinking I was like nah,
it's not worth it.
So think about that in your owncontent creation, no matter
what you're doing, whether it begaming or you know how to, how
tos maybe maybe you do a how-tochannel and you're like you
really hate a specific brand oftool.
Maybe this screwdriver sucksright.
But what if you got a bunch ofviewers that love your content
(31:57):
but love that screwdriver brandand they see you dunking on it
and they're like I don't likethis guy.
He hates my screwdriver brand.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
He hates my favorite screwdriver, Bro.
That screwdriver's awesome.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
We would never be friends.
We will never be you.
I thought I was gonna have youover for dinner.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Now you, like my screwdriver, can't have you over
so it's it's so true, though,and I think there it depends on
how it's delivered through.
That, like you could definitelybe, like, I don't like this
yeah sure I say I don't likethings all the time of course I
don't like cadbury eggs I knowyou said this we're not giving
the Cadbury endorsement, like wewere going to.
(32:32):
They don't even need to.
We talk about them.
Enough for free.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Why would we sponsor you?
You do it for free, ah, damn.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Right, which is fine to say, like you love or dislike
something.
So it's done in a way whereit's kind of this mutual, shared
like or dislike yeah butthere's definitely a way, like
travis is talking about, whereit's a super negative thing and
(33:00):
you're just playing off of likebad news getting good views,
which is a really dark hole togo down yeah, real dark, because
it will work every time.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yes, and it will drain you every time, unless you
just a sociopath who doesn'tcare about those things.
All right, next text messageHello Jen and Travis.
My name is Jake, and my wifeand I have started a couple's
channel called Jade and Jake.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Let's go.
Let's channel called Jade andJake All right, let's go.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Let's go, jay and Jay .
We have made five videos in thespan of three years.
I know that's horrible, butgiving you all the context, we
recently uploaded two new videosand it still broke 100 views on
a more edited video where wejust sat down and talked to the
camera.
The problem I'm finding is,while we're getting views and
people love how I edit they theproblem I'm finding is, while
we're getting views and peoplelove how I edit, they aren't
subscribing.
We have 35 subs now and we'dlike to grow that as well as, uh
(33:53):
, getting more views.
What's the best practices toget people to stay and subscribe
?
Also, candy corn is not realcandy, it's the equivalent of
eating a candle, but at leastthey have different flavors
other than gross.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I agree with that last sentence hold on hold on
hold on hold on.
Aside from the candy cornsituation, here are the two new
videos, a part of the fivethat's my question, because if
it's five total, you have 35subscribers.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
That's a lot better than you think.
And even if they aren't, evenif that is seven, to get a
hundred views on both of thosethat you're not uploading very
often for three years isincredible, incredible.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Also did they just make the two new videos?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
after like a year.
Well, if they have five in thespan of three years, so many
things.
Yeah, there's so many questions, but even the contextually,
even without that context, thoseare great numbers.
Now what they're asking isabout the subscribe on that.
You also have to take intoconsideration that very likely
the vast majority of even thosehundred views as people who
watch those that might've beenthe very first video of yours or
they watched, and most peopledo not subscribe on the very
(34:55):
first video they watch on achannel?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Definitely not.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Very rare.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
That's crazy, that's like crazy.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
That's psychopath.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
That, that really that really is.
That's like you know, doing thesock, tying your shoe, putting
on your other sock and tyingyour shoe.
That's that level of behavior.
Travis you over here.
Doing that.
Do I need, do I need to knowthings you know, like you've
never seen that thing wherepeople put on like one sock and
then put on their shoe and tieit and then put on another sock
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and that that's literally thesame level of psychosis as
subscribing to a channel.
What a banger video you have tohave if someone subscribes on
the first video first timethey've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
That's true.
And the other thing is there'sutility channels I've talked
about this a lot that get tonsof views but less subscribers.
So, for example, how to tie atie.
I mean you get your answer andyou're gone.
You don't need to subscribe toJoe's Tying YouTube channel,
right?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I was going to say don't talk about Joe's Plumbing
Channel, He'll come for you.
He's going to come for youagain.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
We've already talked about how Jen is subscribed to
Joe's Plumbing Channel.
So it's not abnormal,especially when you're first
starting.
Even if your videos areincredible for the first five or
whatever, it's going to taketime.
It's going to take multiplevideos and people seeing you
multiple times to even subscribe.
Of course, remind them, hey, ifyou're new here, feel you know
if you've been here before,subscribe if you're new here.
(36:18):
This is what we do.
Blah, blah, blah, which youheard me say at the beginning of
the podcast.
You know, I'm just tellingpeople who are maybe just
tripping in hey, this is what wedo.
We talk about candy and YouTube.
That way they know theexpectation is set.
When we talk about candy,they're like well, they did tell
me they were gonna talk aboutcandy.
I guess that's a thing Growing.
YouTube Okay, cool, so they know.
But I don't expect them tosubscribe for a while.
(36:39):
I do eventually hope that theywould subscribe or the very
least watch all.
I'm actually more interested inthem watching the videos I am
subscribing, but I understandthat, like, getting that number
up is important as well.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
I'm also.
I'm going to say somethingsassy.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Oh, please.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I would love to hear it.
Why should someone subscribe ifyou're not putting out content?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
There you go, boom, drop the, drop the bomb.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
That's why you want people to subscribe to be aware
of you putting out content.
If you're subscribed, it popsup on your home feed.
You have your notifications on.
If you're not uploading, what'sthe point of someone
subscribing?
Yeah, that's really just whatit comes down.
That's just what it comes downto, what's in it for them that
(37:23):
this is.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Let's get into this for a second.
Why do people subscribe?
Because I feel like that is agood subject for, like the
overall kind of talking aboutall this.
Which is why do peoplesubscribe?
There are multiple reasons.
In some countries, theysubscribe as just a almost like,
a like like oh, this is cool,subscribe, that's that happens a
lot in india though just it's.
It's a different cultural kindof use of the button.
(37:47):
Some people subscribe is like abookmark, like oh, I remember
this channel later, let me justsubscribe to it and then I can
check it later also true yeah,um, and then some people, which
I think most people only thinkabout, is like oh, I love this
channel, I want to subscribe,but that's not the only reason
we hit subscribe.
So then the question is how doyou get them to subscribe?
It's very hard to get them tosubscribe you.
You want them to want tosubscribe.
(38:08):
How do you do that?
Well, good content, as always,as we always talk about the
great non-answer, which is, youknow, make great content make
good videos make good videos.
There's your answer.
And then letting them know,like what's the expectation for
future stuff.
If you're making cool stuffthat people are going to want to
watch, of course they're goingto want to subscribe.
(38:29):
They're not going to want tomiss out on it, Although YouTube
does a really good job ofcontinuing to recommend content
anyway, but what makes yousubscribe?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I was going to throw in in like at this point where
the algorithm is like you couldnot even be subscribed to
channels and you don't even knowif you're watching it, it's
gonna show up for you yes andthen you might have that moment
you're like oh, I'm not evensubscribed which happens.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
I'm like, oh, I didn't even know because I keep
getting the content.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yes, well, yeah, exactly because we're
prioritizing.
You know, viewer, if you'reliking something that you're
watching, we're going to seemore of it.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yep, but why do I subscribe?
I personally subscribe becauseI want to see their content pop
up on my feed when it's uploaded.
If I'm not subscribed, I'mprobably not being surfaced
every new video that someone'smaking.
They're probably more curatedthings.
If someone's creating, say,even just two types of videos
(39:27):
and I'm watching one type,you're probably not going to see
the other type with everythingelse that I'm watching yeah,
that would be my assumption.
I have no way to like actuallytrack you wouldn't know because
you weren't served.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
so how would you know you're not being served?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
the content but I do subscribe to people because I
want to see their content.
I want to see, like when I login, like recently uploaded, and
see the people that I enjoywatching.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
And that might not surface to me for a couple of
days or after that goes out,even just in general, if I'm not
subscribed.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
I rarely subscribe to channels, but I watch a lot of
channels regularly yeah I rarelysubscribe because, um weirdly,
a lot of times I forget that I'mnot subscribed as I've said
before I watch a lot ontelevision so it's harder to
agree subscribe um.
Secondarily, if I'm served allthose videos, it never crosses
(40:24):
my mind that I'm not subscribed.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
True.
And subscribing on TV is like alot of buttons to click.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, you have to like go up, go to channel.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Go to subscribe.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Yeah, it's, it's a lot.
It's not awesome.
It's not awesome, okay, buteven but even, but even like on
desktop or whatever, if I'mbeing served your newest stuff
all the time, I forget that I'mnot subscribed.
So this is the case withmultiple channels that I watch
regularly right now and, as amatter of fact, as I'm saying
this, I'm realizing that there'schannels that I watch all the
time that I'm actually notsubscribed to, but I see all
(40:56):
their stuff, so that's a goodthing.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Well, this, is like when we see in our analytics how
many people are not subscribedExactly.
Well, I shouldn't say always,but a lot of time.
It's like more than 50%.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Right, right.
And the number to really lookat is how many people are
watching on the subscribe tab,which is so low that it makes
subscribing almost irrelevant.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Subscribing is irrelevant.
Let's talk about that.
It is irrelevant.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Yeah, the number is easy.
Let's talk about that.
It is irrelevant.
Yeah, the number is is, it'seasy.
So some people are probablylistening to their smaller like
well, it's easy to say when youhave a lot of subscribers.
True, if you have a lot ofsubscribers, or I've done it.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Okay so, yeah, okay.
So let's back this up.
I think there's really funmilestones to hit.
When it comes to hittingsubscribers, yep, but as a
culture on YouTube now,subscribers don't matter.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Even when shorts were introduced, subscribers no
longer even matter, becauseshorts can give you so many
subscribers so fast that itcompletely takes away the from
the meaning that subscribersused to have.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yes, I agree with this.
Yeah, I remember when I got myfirst 10 000 subscribers, I went
to etsy and bought a littleyoutube plaque thing.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
I still have it oh, my gosh, wait, that's so sweet,
I can go get it.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
It's over there, maybe I'll show it.
But, um, I was because I was soproud of that accomplishment,
um, and I, I remember that Iactually don't,000.
Like I don't even remember it,like what happened?
Speaker 2 (42:23):
I don't remember.
I remember the first time thatI got 100,000 views.
I cried.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Oh, is that?
When you got 100,000 views, youcried I always went by views.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
The first time I got 100,000 views, I cried in a
parking lot.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Really.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, I was literally so shocked and so happy I just
never thought like that wouldliterally ever happen.
I cried harder at 100,000 viewsthan a million views.
Wow, because I think, like youjust get to a point where not
that a million views isn't likeholy crap.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
It's just like my favorite moment as a creator was
still when I had a thousandsubscribers getting monetized,
like that happened like prettysimultaneous for me, so it's not
like I hit a thousandsubscribers and then I had to
wait it was like six months orsomething later, like it was
very like at the same time.
Yeah, so that was just likegreatest day of my life, and
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then it was hitting a hundredthousand views and like nothing
else was as interesting whateven came close, because I feel
like you hit that next levelwhen you hit a hundred thousand
yeah because you have like tenthousand, you know twenty
thousand, fifty thousand, it'sall like there and it's, it's
amazing, it should be celebrated.
But then there's like that nextlevel, and I guess you could
(43:43):
say a million, it's like thatnext level too.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
But like a hundred thousand was just like what in
the world yeah, and even to behonest and we talked about this
before even trying to think ofwhat a thousand in person looks
like is still weird.
If you go to sporting events,you've seen 20, 30, 40 000
people in the thing and that'sastronomical.
But even just be in a room withlike 50 other people is if they
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came to watch just you.
That's amazing.
Like that's.
You can make a career off thatgoing around and talking to 50
people at a time.
You can do that.
So I think sometimes we need toremember that the numbers are
interesting and they definitelyequate to real people, which is
probably the more powerful thing.
But everyone's numbers aredifferent and, um, yeah, that
first thousand was great too.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
That's true.
I remember the first video thatever hit a thousand views too
oh and I like, literally, yes, Ido.
I literally couldn't evenbelieve it oh my god right, so
cute, like those moments.
Like I know all like smallchannels want to be at that
level where they're like, ohyeah, like a million views.
(44:45):
I'm always getting like half amillion views on videos but like
I promise you it's never, ever,ever gonna mean as much as like
those first moments of likehitting that thousand.
Even that video that first gets100 views yeah, yeah, yeah like
that's just like you can Idon't know I will stand strong
by.
Like that doesn't compare toanything else, because you just
get number blind as time goes onyou do you expect bigger and
(45:09):
better things that you don'teven celebrate them.
Maybe that's like our person.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Maybe that's a personal problem for us travis
like oh my god, the numbers it'strue, I so I've told the story
before, but I'll say it again,and it matches exactly what you
just said.
Once upon a time, when I firststarted, I remember thinking if
a video gets to 100 views, itwas successful period, end of
story.
If it gets to 1,000, I'll neverhave to think about it again
because it was so overlysuccessful.
It was ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
And then later in my career, if I didn't get 1,000
views in the first 45 minutes,it felt like a failure, like an
absolute yeah, like youliterally get so blind yes to
what your expectations are, andit's not that you can't want
that for your channel, but theway that you're like so hard on
yourself about not hitting likesuch just I don't know larger
expectations yeah like it's it'scrazy, but like when you're
(46:07):
just starting out, like you havethe opportunity to appreciate,
like every single thing so muchmore yeah and yeah, yeah, we
should make it like we have togo into our personal channels
and like celebrate some type oflevel that we're at again, I
(46:28):
know
Speaker 1 (46:28):
everybody a lot of people are going oh yeah, but if
again you've had the success Ihaven't had it yet.
I get it, I totally get.
I understand what you're saying.
Trust me when I tell you enjoythis moment because it's, it
gets a little better, but neveris the same.
All right, last message thisone is likely going to cancel
jen forever although I have afeeling she already knows this,
(46:50):
but I kind of hope she doesn'tbecause I think it's hilarious.
All right, here we go.
This is a text message.
This message is for jen.
I'm a fellow vegan and I'm99.9% sure that candy corn is
not vegan friendly because itcontains gelatin.
As a candy corn lover myself, Iwas depressed when I found this
out.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
I know it definitely does have gelatin in it and I'm
fairly lenient when it comes togelatin.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Okay, tell us why gelatin is not vegan friendly.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
It's made of like.
I'm pretty sure it's made oflike like chicken feet and stuff
.
It's like all the like leftoverparts of yeah wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Hold on.
Hold on for a second.
Hold on.
Are you googling this?
I'm going to right now.
This is ridiculous.
I want you to continue toexplain how you've wrapped your
head around, why that's okay,and then I'm gonna.
I have, I have some things tosay to you, so there's also
something that I eat that likevery, very strict um vegans.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
I'm not a like super, super strict vegan like that um
, but my dad is, so I know allthese fun things like the glaze
I can't think of what it's likeconfectioners glaze or something
that's on that's on a lot oflike chocolates, like that clear
, shiny coat okay is made fromum?
I think it's beetles oh, yeah,what so?
(48:09):
that's made from in an animal aswell.
So a very, very, you knowstrict vegan would not eat the
confectioners glaze or whateverthe term actually is, either
wild, um, so there's like a lotof of things.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
I personally don't mind like look those situations
but see, the thing is she getsher candy corn.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
She's like it's fine, I'm turning a blind eye to this
, it's fine, like I can't say, Ican't say no, sorry, let me
read this, let me read this.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
Manufacturers produce gelatin by animal bones,
cartilage and skin.
This may use the bodies of cowsor fish, for example.
The process extracts a collagen, a fibrous protein that
connects the muscles, bone andskin, and turns into gelatin, a
flavorless, colorless,jelly-like substance.
(49:00):
Okay, yeah, but you won't havea chicken nugget.
I see All right Right, rightright and skin.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
It turns into Jonathan, a flavorless,
colorless jelly-like substance,okay, yeah, but you won't have a
chicken nugget.
I see, all right, right, rightright.
Like so different, so grossCandy corn, I will say Trader
Joe's, like all their candies,it's all made with tapioca,
which personally I like the chewbetter candy, like some of you
like bite into like toffee no,not like toffee.
Like have you ever had like afruit snack?
(49:25):
That's just like really likehard, like you have to like
really chew it.
Yeah, I mean, I'm making itsound really gross it does make
it sound kind of like it'smaking it sound really bad, but
like tapioca and gelatin arelike very different textures yes
, that's true and I prefer likethe tapioca ones, just anyways,
because they're like just verychewy.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Well, now we've learned more about you than we
probably ever thought we would.
Thus ends another episode andTravis learned what gelatin is.
I didn't know.
I actually did not know, andnow I think you're a hypocrite.
Now, in some ways, I feel likeyou're eating the worst parts of
the animal and I'm eating theparts that are reasonable and
I'm like you're not eating what?
Speaker 2 (50:07):
okay, all right, oh my gosh, that's a hilarious way
to look at it I mean what'shappening?
Speaker 1 (50:14):
you the sinew and the bones and the cartilage, but
you won't have a breast ofchicken.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Okay, I see it's so gross also like not that that
can be um white sugar also,depending on where it's produced
, like just regular white canesugar can have like trace like
animal bone I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
But I mean, when you think about honey which is
delicious is basically bee throwup.
It's like you kind of just Ialso eat honey.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
I also I do.
I love honey actually, which iscrazy, that doesn't seem like,
but that's a very polarizing one, for I was about to say yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
That doesn't feel like it should be vegan
unfriendly.
It's not like the bee died intoit, it's just part of the bee.
They just don't want anythingto do with.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
People debate that very heavily or just make like a
personal choice for what theybelieve in.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
But if something has honey in it, it won't be like
registered as a vegan product.
If it has honey in, it is nolonger considered vegan.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
That's what you know it can't have like a vegan, like
stamp like on it or anything.
Can't be interesting, I guess,like legally I don't know what
they do legally Legally it comesfrom an animal, so you will be
arrested, oh, no, sorry, I'mback, go ahead Legally what?
(51:34):
Struggling.
Yeah, my browser crashed for noapparent reason.
Legally, you go to jail, oh yougo to jail.
That's good You're arrested.
I'm glad to hear it.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Okay Now.
I don't even know if mycamera's working.
It might not be working rightnow, it's not, yeah, so anyway,
the good thing it's over.
The show is over.
If you're looking at a blackscreen, that's funny and that's
how we're going to end it.
Thank,
hey, welcome to the only podcast that loves you more
than you love yourself.
I'm travis and I'm here withjen hi everybody we are back in
our own abodes.
That's a special way of sayinghomes homes yeah home.
We're back home, which is, youknow, cool, and I think it was
cooler when we were hanging outin person, though I think it was
(00:20):
.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I think we should do it again.
I am pumped on my coat's alittle new corner, but the
studio vibe was unmatched.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah, I agree, and we had a great time even
afterwards, where we gotsomething to eat, which was cool
this little place across thestreet, which was really fun,
and I agree.
I think we will do it again verysoon, so keep an eye out for
that.
If you're new here, welcome tothe only podcast in the world
that is about candy and growingyour YouTube channel all at the
same time.
I mean almost literally.
(00:54):
My name is Travis and Jen ishere and we just talk about how
to grow your channel and thenvarious random things.
If you want to leave us amessage, you can do so.
If you're listening to theaudio podcast, you'll see a link
in there that gives you achance to text message us, or
you can email us attheboostatvidiqcom, where we
answer your questions, which wewill be doing today.
However, it's funny rightbefore we went on the air, I was
(01:17):
talking to Jen about one of theupcoming videos she has that's
coming out on the main channel.
I guess I might be having alittle spot in it as well and um
, it's true, travis does have alittle.
I don't even want to give itaway, we'll just say cameo and
some of the other podcastsfavorite listeners uh john, I
think, will be in it as well,which is fun.
(01:38):
So what has it been like so farto uh be on the main channel
with your own video ideas andyour own videos, like you've
already had one.
It was released.
The thumbnail was fire.
I thought it was great.
I loved it um what?
What has that process been likefor you so far?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
it's been really interesting.
I feel I have to keep remindingmyself like this is a new job.
Like this is a new position.
Like I'm in an entirely newdepartment, working with
everybody is new.
Like there's no crossover frommy last position and it's weird
to face, you know, some of thethings that are easy to overlook
(02:17):
in terms of being a creator.
But like now this is a this isa job.
Like this is a full-time job.
Like I have, you know,responsibilities in ways that I
want to prove myself, in waysthat I want to establish myself
on the main channel and likealso just like show up and be.
Like I promise I'm good at myjob.
I swear, I promise you but thenthere's also pressures that come
(02:40):
in with like the youtube thing,like travis and I were just
talking about.
Like I re-recorded a videothree times and I'll be the
first person to tell you, like,don't even re-record it.
I mean re-record if you have toright, but three times wow
that's a lot embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I think the only time I've ever had to record
something three times is whenthere was a technical issue,
like the audio didn't record orthe video went out of sync or
something that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I would tell people no, no, unless there was
literally something wrong withit, I'm sure it's fine, Grow
past it.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, I agree, which I would.
I hate it, but you know,inevitably, and this tends to be
true, the last time you do itends up being the best time,
because you've done it so manytimes it, you've done it so many
times it was the best Was itLike I had the scripts like very
, very easily memorized and ofcourse, that's something that
I'm working on and it was.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I just didn't like the first two editions and I
rewrote the script every time.
I rewrote or redid the videobecause it just didn't feel
right.
And, like I said, you stillhave to kind of go with those
creative instincts too, whereI'm like I just don't think this
is at the level that I want itto be at, and no outside
pressure coming in being likehey, you need to redo that.
I was just like no, this is metrying to get better at what I'm
(03:58):
doing, trying to be reallyhappy with what I'm at, even
though I do need to rememberlike this is new.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Right, of course, Give yourself some grace.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I know I have to talk myself back down, but crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Well, I think that actually lends itself to some
advice to creators, because thisis something that goes along
with what you're trying toaccomplish at the end goal,
right, like what is the end goal?
So the end goal for thispodcast, specifically, is to
help creators and kind of giveyou a new outlet and a new
community to hang out withpeople, like-minded people, and
(04:34):
just have fun, like that's whatthis is all about, learning
along the way and having acommunity that we can all get
along with and y'all do that.
Speaking of community,ironically our first kind of
comment comes in from a textmessage and, by the way, we got
a lot of text messages andemails from the since the last
(04:54):
time we were live, actually thelast time you and I were in
person.
So I just want to say thatwe're going to be behind on some
of these.
So over the next couple ofweeks, you may not see, we might
not even get to all of them,but if you send in a message and
you're like, oh, this is areally good question really,
when you know this, you mightactually have to wait a couple
episodes because we're probablygoing to do some of them in
person, which will be I thinkit'll be even more fun.
Um, yeah, so don't worry if yousend it in and you're like this
(05:16):
is a really important question.
I haven't heard it.
It's been three episodes.
Don't worry, if it's good,we're going to get to it.
So the first one is how do weget to the Discord for the vidIQ
community?
This is great, because one ofthe things Jen and I are doing
is, once a month, we're going torecording episodes and talking
to you listeners.
Hello.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Back and forth.
Ah, so fun.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
That was so much fun and you can ask us questions
directly.
Now the link for the Discord isactually in the show notes and
in the description for the video, so you can't miss it.
Apparently this person missed it, I don't know because the link
to yeah, the link to send thetext message is just a little
bit above the link for thediscord.
But what is discord?
Some people don't know.
It's a.
It's a you could say it'ssoftware but really you can use
(05:58):
it in a browser as well, wherepeople thing and the vid iq
community is really cool becauseit actually has um, a group of
creators that all want to growat the same time and there's a
lot of really smart people inthere.
They can help you 24 7.
There's people in there all thetime and we have our own little
channel for the podcast wherewe go in there and reach a chat
and we we share memes it's justfun to have creator friends too,
(06:20):
like other people that just getit yes, and I think that's
something that um I've said thisbefore, I think on this show,
one of the reasons that thisthing even exists is because of
that exact thing.
I had that coming up in adiscord with other friends
creator friends.
I thought it was such animportant part of my journey
that I wanted other people tohave that same experience, and
now you can have it and, like Isaid, jen and I go in there and
(06:44):
we're gonna do an episode.
I think we're recording it in aweek or so, but by the time you
hear this, probably the sameweek, you just got to be in
there, who knows you just got tobe in there all the time, and
then we'll just pop up and belike hey, we're recording an
episode, come and ask usquestions.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You never know.
We're gonna pop in and do allkinds of stuff shenanigans First
email of the week from Connorhey Tren.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
It's Connor.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Oh, my gosh Two N's too, I love it.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It's got to be right Because you know, jen, you have
two N's.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, it's so funny, though, Like it just makes sense
.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
It's the best of all worlds.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Way to go, Connor.
We're impressed already.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
From the windy city of Chicago.
I've never been to Chicago.
I've always wanted to go.
The pizzas sound amazing.
Before we get to my question, Ijust need to say after hearing
you guys talk about candy corn,I had to chime in.
I remember the night ofHalloween when I would try to
get as much candy corn aspossible is by far the best
candy.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I see, I knew I loved Connor.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Nah, bro, that's not it.
Okay, time for my question.
I have a bird channel, justlike my friend who actually just
emailed recently.
I think that sounds vaguelyfamiliar Someone had a bird
channel.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Oh my gosh, let's go.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I'm using his computer, so don't tell him.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
What this is getting sketch.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
This is very sketch, very sus right now and I post
funny clips that are mainlyshorts.
Unlike my friend, I have 200subs when he only has 95.
Wow, and you're using hiscomputer.
Hello, I have started to try todo more long-form content
recently and I'm only doing itso I can get closer to
monetization.
My main goal on YouTube is tomake money in the next year and
(08:15):
I think 4,000 watch hours willbe easier than 10 million shorts
views.
I agree with this.
I personally agree with thatstatement.
Am I wrong?
I don't know.
Is there a way to make shortsmore viral, since I always get
between 1,000 and 6,000 viewsper short and I don't think I
can post more?
I can post 10 shorts a day as Ialready have a full-time job.
First of all, 1,000 to 6,000views for short is great.
(08:37):
Like that's for 200 subscribers.
That's crazy and more thantrying to help you with, like,
how to make your shorts better,we need to go back to remember
the 50 views thing.
We did a couple, like a coupleweeks ago and people love that
episode.
6,000 views on a short is verydifficult.
It's hard for people who arenew to YouTube to understand
what that, what that actuallymeans and how hard that is to
(09:00):
get.
You also have to remember theway they're counting shorts.
Now it's different, so that'sthe other thing.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Oh my gosh, that's right.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I was reminded of this when I recently uploaded a
short on this channel and it waslike hey, it's like a 1 out of
10.
It tells you, but we countshorts differently.
But you know, we talked aboutthis whole thing about what's
the number doing.
It's making you feel betterabout yourself, but regardless 6
(09:30):
, you feel better about yourself, but regardless 6 000, whether
it's the quote, engage views orwhatever the views are well,
it'll be the new normal now, soit'll be easy for them to
compare.
Yeah, at some point, yeah, it'llall be the same, but regardless
, um, that's a lot and you haveto understand that.
Like getting a whole bunch oftens of thousands of millions of
views on a short, it's just,it's the top of the top, of the
top percentage.
You just, you just don't see itvery often.
Does it mean it won't happen toyou?
No, it might.
You might get one that pops offor whatever, and it could be
great.
But the normal reality thatmost people experience isn't
(09:52):
even what you're seeing.
It's less than what you'reseeing.
It's hundreds of you know it's.
It's so hard for creators to seethis, though, like so so hard
yeah all they can focus in a lotof the time is just the big,
big views yeah, I need to get ashirt that says 50 views is
amazing and just like have areally cool design and have a
(10:14):
badass and whatnot.
Yeah, because, again, I don'twant to say that you, you should
only be short shooting for lowviews.
That's not what I'm saying.
But what I'm saying is, whenyou get something like that, I
think it's just hard for peopleto understand that that's a lot.
Six thousand on a short,especially consistently, is a
lot.
Five, one thousand, it doesn'tmatter if you're getting two,
that, whatever, that's a lot,and a tremendous amount of
(10:35):
creators out there are not evengetting that many, so you're
already succeeding if youcontinue to do it it could
continue to get bigger.
It just depends on on whatyou're doing.
So I wouldn't say that we havelike here this is how you get
more views.
I'd say you're actually gettinga lot already for 200
subscribers.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
You shouldn't be averaging that many, so you're
already winning plus, there isno like secret hack to youtube
like that.
There's nothing that we couldbe like here.
Here's the most magical thingthat's going to make you all the
money in the world.
That's just not how YouTubeworks.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I mean, if it did, I would be doing it first before I
told anybody.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
If it did, we'd have one episode here and it would be
the end.
Everybody would be a YouTubemillionaire.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
That would be it.
We're like yeah, this is theonly episode you will ever see
from us, from uh from us and uhcongratulations.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
We're all rich now?
Don't think that is?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
the episode, but why?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
did they want short strategy if they didn't even
want to get monetized on shorts?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
that's what I'm also at like.
So why?
Yeah, I think they were askingwell, it doesn't make sense.
Yes, I think it makes sense todo longer form content if you're
trying to get monetized,because the hours watch hours
would be a little easier than 10million views in like 90 days
focus on the content, not theviews.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Focus on the views.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
You can make bad content look you mic dropping
over here, we just got startedsorry what are you mic?
What are you mic dropping?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
for what's wrong.
All right, sorry.
All right, let's get sorry,connor connor just got mic
dropped.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
All right, hey, jan and Travis, I wanted to send
this along to the vidIQ.
I saw this on my YouTube appthe other day and it was gone in
a couple seconds and I had torefresh later.
So I created a mock-up, whichis not in this image, but I'll
explain in a minute.
It's a world of just thumbnails, no titles, no view count,
channel names or date published.
Maybe you guys are aware I justwant to the edge on the update,
just in case, not.
So what this was is an image ofand I've seen this before.
(12:24):
I think most of us have seenthis where you open up the vid
IQ app, or not, to vid IQ, butthe YouTube app, and all you see
is thumbnails, right Like.
You don't see the titles, youjust have to choose the video
based on that.
Now, this is probably a testthat YouTube is rolling out on
mobile, because every once in awhile they'll test these things.
This is something that doesn'tsurprise me, I've never seen
(12:45):
that You've never seen this.
No, I've seen it once or twiceand they do tests like this all
the time.
And I've said for a long timeas soon as YouTube can figure
out a way to not show viewcounts, they will.
I've said this for years now.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I know we have talked about this.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
And I honestly think it's a good idea.
Definitely, and we've had thisdiscussion before.
Not everyone agrees with me,but they're wrong.
I feel like this would be goodfor smaller channels, because
then you're not competing on.
Did your view?
Is your video only have 13views?
Your video might be the bestone on youtube with 13 views no
one knows, um, but I I thoughtit was interesting.
(13:22):
No channel names are daypublished and stuff like that um
where it's just the thumbnail Idon't know if just a thumbnail
makes sense.
I think the title I think youneed to have a title to to make
this make sense.
But they're going to test allof this.
They're literally going to testevery single way to simplify
the choice for a viewer untilthey perhaps one day make long
(13:44):
form, just like shorts, wherethey just throw it in your face
and then you swipe.
Would that be terrifying, orwhat?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I know We've talked through so many of these
situations and I feel like myanswers stay the same for the
most part.
But I do feel like with theviews showing, like I was very
like views should show and nowI'm kind of like I don't know.
I feel like the way I've beenwatching YouTube recently for
(14:14):
like the past several months,like I don't even know sometimes
like what the views are onvideos maybe how important is
that?
tv viewing thing where that isless.
I think it's actually maybemore the intention of why I'm
watching a video, whether I careor not.
Like if I'm looking forsomething, I want credibility
(14:35):
behind it.
If I just browsing, it, doesn'tmatter to me.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So here's if you're watching on the YouTube channel,
you're watching the podcast.
You can see it now.
I'd put it on screen real quick.
This is kind of what he wassaying.
This is a mock-up of it.
It's just these videos, that'sit.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
You don't see anything else.
So interesting See.
I agree I.
Otherwise we have to change theway we're doing thumbnails.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yes, we would have to put more actual text in the
thumbnail there needs to be morecontent.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, exactly Like it has to have a title in there,
which is like what we try toavoid now, so that it
compliments the title.
But I do think there could be aworld where that's switch kind
of edited into one.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I'm trying to think of how Netflix does it, because
a lot of times netflix will willchange the thumbnail of their
movies and stuff often, but thelayout always changes.
They're always trying tooptimize to keep people on
platform as long as possible.
It does seem like if this issomething that they're going to
do, they are shortifying theselection of long form videos,
(15:35):
but this is on phone, I assumeright, because it looked like
the format was on phone even ontv, is very similar to netflix,
where they're categorized as youscroll down.
Sure, yeah, they are.
Yes, that's true, I don't knowif it's like that on desktop
well, that's.
I watch a lot of desktop too,um, and not like that.
So you know if I look at mineright now.
(15:56):
Um, it is just a bunch of video.
I mean you can see everything.
You see the views, you can seewhen it was uploaded.
You definitely get a lot ofsuggested content.
You do get shorts.
That's funny.
We did get a lot of commentsfrom when you and I were in the
studio we talked about watchingshorts on tv, yeah, and there
were comments about peoplesaying, yeah, my kids do watch
shorts on tv.
I knew knew it.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
It's a younger generation thing.
Target TV shorts if you'regoing for.
I don't even think it is Gen Z,I don't know what generation.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
What is it?
I don't know what they areanymore Gen Alpha.
Is that a?
Thing?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I think it.
I don't know.
Oh my God, did I make that up?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
That's gross.
I don't think I made that up.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
It.
I don't think I made that up.
It's probably true.
Actually, do I have to Googlethis now, is that?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
what's happening?
I don't think I made that up.
Gen Alpha oh it came up.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Okay, yeah, generation.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Alpha is the generation of people born
between 2010 and last year, 2024.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Oh, wow.
Oh my gosh, we have anothergeneration Whoa.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Bro, what are we doing?
What was the one before Alpha?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I think it was Gen Z Is it?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
so in from Gen Z to Gen A.
Oh, so I just found a chartfrom Wikipedia.
Okay, there's the silentgeneration, lost generation,
which is 1883 to 1900.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
The greatest GI generation 1901.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I think these are made up.
I'm looking at it, it's onWikipedia, it has to be true.
1901 to 1901.
I think these are made up.
I'm looking at it, it's onWikipedia, it has to be true.
1901 to 1927.
The silent generation from 28to 45.
Baby boomers, which is thefirst one I had ever heard of.
I hadn't heard of silentgeneration 46 to 64.
Generation X, which I guess Ihad no idea, 65 to 80.
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Millennials generation Y is 81to 96.
Zoomers, generation z is 97 to2012 and alpha is 2013 to mid
20s what's after that?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
what's in 2025?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
well, so they could still be considered alpha
because technically we're in themiddle of the 20s and they'll
probably change it.
Why did they do this?
Who decides when?
Who?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
decides this stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I think this is all wacky, I think it's crazy, I
think.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Travis just submitted this to Wikipedia.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Bro, I should just make the thing up.
I'm saying what's going on,what's?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
going on the fact that you said Zoomer.
I'm like I've never heard thatword in my life.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
You haven't, I have.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I actually have heard that you definitely just made
that up.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
No, it's a real word.
I've actually heard that.
I'm surprised you haven't heardthat.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Jen Zoomer.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Jen Zoomer.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Literally like that's my dog running around with the
Zoomies.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Well, I was just thinking.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Jen J name, jen zoomer, that's my superhero name
bro the next time you do avideo and you have your name,
put a jen zoomer.
Jen zoomer oh my god, that'syour new last name that's so
funny there's dr savage and jenzoomer oh my gosh, we sound like
a back to the future couplethat's so true.
Yes, bruh, you killing me whereare we going for halloween?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
your segue is much better than you think, because
I'm gonna show you somethingright here, this next email.
So the subject matter saidbreakfast is served and again,
if you're listening on audiopodcast, you're not gonna know.
You have to see this on thevideo.
Oh gosh, it's this which is theworld's largest Cadbury cream
egg.
I know you had seen this.
It's like a bathtub.
(19:23):
Look how big it is.
It's so big, I love it.
It's so big, I think, cadburydid it?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Are those Cadbury onesies they're wearing?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
It's wild right.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Let's get you one of those Travis.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I would wear it for let's reach out.
I don't like Halloween, but Iwould wear it for Halloween.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Let's get you a purple Cadbury onesie I dare you
?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
because I would do it , I would actually wear it and
you think I wouldn't, but Iwould unironically wear it With
the wrapping paper.
How do they get the wrappingpaper all big and everything?
Look at this of wild, because Ilove the cabaret eggs.
But this might actually inperson gross me out a little bit
because I look at it.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
That's interesting.
I don't know how I can do likea science experiment.
They're gonna crack it openwith a hammer and it's just
literally gonna flood out like avolcano yeah, it's again.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
It's a delicious treat, but when I look at it
like this, it almost kind ofgrosses me out shouldn't be
scaled to this size yeah, you'renot wrong.
Okay, we'll move on from that.
Uh, the next test text messagewas hi, my channel.
My channel has been doingreally well and I found out
someone was impersonating me.
Oh, contacting my subscribers,referencing their comments from
(20:30):
my page and trying to sell thema mentorship or other fake email
with my name on it.
Other than warning mysubscribers posting videos,
anything I can do about.
Thanks for all your help.
Remember this.
Like a year or two ago this washappening a lot Yep In people's
comments.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yep, I think I misunderstood this at first.
All contest giveaways, likeeverything.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
It was and, I guess, continues to be, terrible, and
YouTube has been trying to fightit for years.
Um, so, for the, for those whodon't know maybe they're not
either the channel isn't bigenough or they haven't seen a
channel where this has happened.
Uh, there's these impersonators, scammers, that will come into
your comment section, make a uh,an avatar that looks like your
channel and then say hey, youknow, you've won a contest or
(21:10):
you know, contact me here andyou can, you know, win this, and
they pretend to be you andtypically, typically, we'll get
them on WhatsApp or somethinglike that and we'll scam them
out of money.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Ask for information.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, yeah, and then eventually like oh, you've won
this thing, but you got to payme money to ship it to you,
which is wild, and I knowfriends that have had that
happen to their channels.
And then they end up gettingviewers saying I just spent, I
sent you money, where's my gift?
And like what are you talkingabout?
Like you, just you know, thishappened a lot.
I think two years ago or so Ithought it kind of had calmed
(21:43):
down, but obviously scammerswant money, so we'll figure out
new ways of doing it and I putin my upload defaults.
At the time I'd put in a wholedisclaimer and even some people
made videos about it in a littledisclaimer and even some people
made videos about it.
But it doesn't matter, becausenot everyone sees every single
video.
This is kind of the problem withthis you can make community
posts and everything you do, allthose things.
Inevitably, if you have enoughviewers and stuff especially
(22:04):
people that are connected to youand really love your content
someone's gonna get scammed,probably, right you just?
Have to keep removing thecomments, which is terrible,
because youtube was doing aterrible job at it when this
first happened.
Um, so it's kind of put on thecreators.
Do you remember all this, jen?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
oh yeah, I mean you can try to target words that
will be blocked in the comments.
If you're seeing something, Ifeel like it's a tough one
because they're not reallyanything like super alarming.
Maybe even language like Idon't know.
I was going to say like send,like, send me anything that's
(22:41):
going to be like directlyrequesting information.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I put like WhatsApp, because that was something.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
But they kept getting smarter and smarter and
changing the wording.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, that's the thing.
Like you can't, you can do yourbest, but you can't save the
whole world from being scammed.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
No, yeah, this is the unfortunate reality of being
online and so there's a lotwe've I love.
This is one of the things Ilove talking about when we're
doing these, these episodes.
It's just like all the thingsyou don't know about having a
successful youtube channel andthe things that come along with
it.
Uh, and this is one of thosethings where you know,
especially if you really haveworked hard and gathered a
(23:22):
community that you reallyappreciate, and you see they're
getting scammed.
You feel bad and like helplessand like YouTube, help me, like
what's going on.
How come?
You know, why is this happening?
Why?
Why can't you do anything to tohelp help?
And and they do, they aretrying to help, but these
scammers are so smart and, yeah,it's one of the one of the bad
(23:44):
sides of having a successfulchannel.
This is actually interesting.
So tell, what else can youthink of off the top of your
head, or even if you think aboutit.
Jen is a little unknown abouthaving a successful YouTube
channel.
Like what's the?
We hear about the good things,but what's like a bad thing?
In terms of like outside thingslike coming in Anything Like,
(24:06):
for example, maybe having lesstime with your friends,
literally so many.
Name, one name, one, name one.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Redoing your video three times because you don't
think it's good enough.
There you go.
You have to shoot your videothree times because you don't
think it's good enough.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
There you go.
You have to shoot your videothree times because you're a
perfectionist and a little bitcrazy.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Actually, you want to know what it wasn't actually
about.
Perfectionism, because I'm veryeasy to like look past mistakes
and stuff and be like get themnext time, tiger.
But it didn't feel like it wasme.
I did not like how it came out.
I don't think that I projectedmyself the way that I want to or
(24:48):
feel confident in, like it feltrigid, it felt like scripted.
It just didn't feel likesomething that I watched and was
like oh, that feels good andthe creativity factor versus the
perfectionist, because theversion I did there's gonna be
(25:09):
tons of mistakes in there too,but for me it's not about that.
It was just looking at it andbeing like, okay, that's not the
kind of content that I make.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Which is something that is very easy to get caught
up in as a creator.
That's a downside of being onthe platform Like you lose
yourself as a creator constantly, you lose your personality, you
lose your vision, yourdirection.
No-transcript, that's it.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
yeah, you know, it's funny because I agree with this
in so many different ways and Iremember there's been only a
couple times, not a lot, butsometimes where I'm in the
middle of shooting something andit feels so wrong in some way
that I just I don't even want tosay the words, and then I just
stop and I'm like I'm not, thiswasn't good, this isn't gonna
happen.
And then I just stop and I don't, I don't finish it, I don't
(26:05):
edit it, it's it's only gonnahappen a couple times.
But if you ever feel that whenyou're shooting something
probably follow that feelingyeah, it's not gonna come out
good yeah like.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
So there's definitely a lot of I don't know if I
would say like toxic behaviorswhen it comes to that, but
there's a lot of time you'regonna try to force something
that's just not natural or howyou would normally do, something
just from the way like you feellike you should do it, yeah, or
a way even you're just likesubconsciously influenced to do
(26:38):
it just by what everybody elseis doing.
I feel like that weighs down,like that bleeds into so many
different areas on YouTube ingeneral.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah Well, I mean, look at the end of the day,
until you're there, it's hard to.
We can say all these things andthen in the moment you might
recognize oh yeah, okay, Iremember when Travis and Jen
talked about this feeling.
When you feel it, you'll know.
When you feel it, you'll knowwhen you're in the middle doing
a video and you just feel likewhen you were a kid and your
(27:10):
parents made you eat broccoli oryou take medicine and you're
like this just isn't really.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
That's the feeling I'm talking about specifically
and it might be a good moment tostop and think of something
else, like we're creatives onthis side, like it has to feel
creatively in the rightdirection, creatives on the side
, like it has to feel creativelyin the right direction.
And if you just kind of feellike a, you know well, I would
say paid actor but not paid anunpaid actor in your own show.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
The things are not lining up yeah, don't force it
when you don't have.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah no, you should watch back your content and be
like that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
So this is interesting.
We briefly have mentioned thisonce before, but there is an
entire episode.
It might be two, but there'scertainly one episode that you
and I shot to completion andnever released.
And I know some people are like, really I didn't realize that.
Or some people who have beenlistening for a long time might
be like oh yeah, I rememberhearing about that and why
(28:10):
didn't we?
So I think this whole, you knowthis channel specifically and
the podcast itself.
When I was brought on to dothis stuff, one of the things I
said is I want to do it with Jenspecifically, because I knew
Jen was amazing, but I alsowanted to do it with Jen,
because I respect her opinion onthings right.
(28:30):
We don't always agree oneverything.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
We agree on a lot of things, especially not candy.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I fight all the time, especially not candy.
We definitely don't agree onthat.
But we have our quarterly fightright, that's true, but I feel
like you know you also don't.
I think sometimes working withsomeone who agrees with every
single thing you say is not agood thing either.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Like oh, sometimes working with someone who agrees
with every single thing you sayis not a good thing either.
Like, oh, yeah, you got itright.
You got it right, no wait, Iknow.
I think we balance each otherlike that like neither one of us
is just like yeah, go ahead.
Sure, yeah, do that.
I like that idea yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
So that video that we did, I was like oh, that's
pretty cool, it's a good idea,and jen was like I don't.
After we were done, I think jenlike I don't know if I feel
comfortable with that and we hada discussion about it and
ultimately, you know, I think weboth were like, well, I was
like I don't agree and youwouldn't agree, felt that my
(29:25):
side of it was more, was lessrational about why I liked it
versus jen's feeling for why shedidn't like it, right.
So I had to take myself out ofmy shoes and go are you saying
that you like it because youthink it's actually good or
because you just like thesubversiveness of it?
And I was honest with myselfand I'm like I like the
(29:46):
subversiveness of it and whatJen was saying made a lot of
sense why she didn't like it.
And I'm like I can't arguethose points.
So, okay, we're not going to doit.
So it is a video that neverexisted, or it exists, but you
never see it.
I think it's a really coollittle thing.
That's in our history that mostpeople don't know and now
people listen episode will knowmore about.
(30:06):
But I think that's somethingthat happens in your growth, of
your your content creationcareer, if you want?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
yes, absolutely, and it's not like a bad thing, like
sure it sucks.
I mean, we took the time, wemade that it.
You know, you put it alltogether and then you, you know
it never, never sees theinternet, but that's okay.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Because it's okay.
The thing is is, when I thoughtthrough some of your thoughts
and rationalization of it, theother side of it is like what
could be the impact of this onthe negative side of things, if
we release this and there mightbe some risks in that and I'm
not, I wasn't really willing totake the risk of the bad stuff
just to make get another pieceof content out, and sometimes
(30:54):
you have to think about thatwhen you're making videos, like
if you make, if you make acommentary video about another
YouTuber this is very close tome because I had done this in
the past when I was first comingup Another larger YouTubers
commentary video might not beslamming them, but you might be
talking about them in a not likesuper positive way.
You have to think about a couplethings.
Number one what does that makethat other youtuber feel like?
If you put yourself in theirshoes?
Some other person makes a videoabout you that maybe is not
(31:16):
flattering.
Is that something you wouldlike to happen to you?
Um, is it worth the potentialtoxicity of getting into that
subject on your own channel whenyou might be a positive channel
overall?
Is that worth it?
That's something I've also hadto deal with in the past.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
So it's the exact same situation.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Yeah, and I you know, in thinking I was like nah,
it's not worth it.
So think about that in your owncontent creation, no matter
what you're doing, whether it begaming or you know how to, how
tos maybe maybe you do a how-tochannel and you're like you
really hate a specific brand oftool.
Maybe this screwdriver sucksright.
But what if you got a bunch ofviewers that love your content
(31:57):
but love that screwdriver brandand they see you dunking on it
and they're like I don't likethis guy.
He hates my screwdriver brand.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
He hates my favorite screwdriver, Bro.
That screwdriver's awesome.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
We would never be friends.
We will never be you.
I thought I was gonna have youover for dinner.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Now you, like my screwdriver, can't have you over
so it's it's so true, though,and I think there it depends on
how it's delivered through.
That, like you could definitelybe, like, I don't like this
yeah sure I say I don't likethings all the time of course I
don't like cadbury eggs I knowyou said this we're not giving
the Cadbury endorsement, like wewere going to.
(32:32):
They don't even need to.
We talk about them.
Enough for free.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Why would we sponsor you?
You do it for free, ah, damn.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Right, which is fine to say, like you love or dislike
something.
So it's done in a way whereit's kind of this mutual, shared
like or dislike yeah butthere's definitely a way, like
travis is talking about, whereit's a super negative thing and
(33:00):
you're just playing off of likebad news getting good views,
which is a really dark hole togo down yeah, real dark, because
it will work every time.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yes, and it will drain you every time, unless you
just a sociopath who doesn'tcare about those things.
All right, next text messageHello Jen and Travis.
My name is Jake, and my wifeand I have started a couple's
channel called Jade and Jake.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Let's go.
Let's channel called Jade andJake All right, let's go.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Let's go, jay and Jay .
We have made five videos in thespan of three years.
I know that's horrible, butgiving you all the context, we
recently uploaded two new videosand it still broke 100 views on
a more edited video where wejust sat down and talked to the
camera.
The problem I'm finding is,while we're getting views and
people love how I edit they theproblem I'm finding is, while
we're getting views and peoplelove how I edit, they aren't
subscribing.
We have 35 subs now and we'dlike to grow that as well as, uh
(33:53):
, getting more views.
What's the best practices toget people to stay and subscribe
?
Also, candy corn is not realcandy, it's the equivalent of
eating a candle, but at leastthey have different flavors
other than gross.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I agree with that last sentence hold on hold on
hold on hold on.
Aside from the candy cornsituation, here are the two new
videos, a part of the fivethat's my question, because if
it's five total, you have 35subscribers.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
That's a lot better than you think.
And even if they aren't, evenif that is seven, to get a
hundred views on both of thosethat you're not uploading very
often for three years isincredible, incredible.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Also did they just make the two new videos?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
after like a year.
Well, if they have five in thespan of three years, so many
things.
Yeah, there's so many questions, but even the contextually,
even without that context, thoseare great numbers.
Now what they're asking isabout the subscribe on that.
You also have to take intoconsideration that very likely
the vast majority of even thosehundred views as people who
watch those that might've beenthe very first video of yours or
they watched, and most peopledo not subscribe on the very
(34:55):
first video they watch on achannel?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Definitely not.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Very rare.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
That's crazy, that's like crazy.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
That's psychopath.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
That, that really that really is.
That's like you know, doing thesock, tying your shoe, putting
on your other sock and tyingyour shoe.
That's that level of behavior.
Travis you over here.
Doing that.
Do I need, do I need to knowthings you know, like you've
never seen that thing wherepeople put on like one sock and
then put on their shoe and tieit and then put on another sock
(35:23):
and that that's literally thesame level of psychosis as
subscribing to a channel.
What a banger video you have tohave if someone subscribes on
the first video first timethey've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
That's true.
And the other thing is there'sutility channels I've talked
about this a lot that get tonsof views but less subscribers.
So, for example, how to tie atie.
I mean you get your answer andyou're gone.
You don't need to subscribe toJoe's Tying YouTube channel,
right?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I was going to say don't talk about Joe's Plumbing
Channel, He'll come for you.
He's going to come for youagain.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
We've already talked about how Jen is subscribed to
Joe's Plumbing Channel.
So it's not abnormal,especially when you're first
starting.
Even if your videos areincredible for the first five or
whatever, it's going to taketime.
It's going to take multiplevideos and people seeing you
multiple times to even subscribe.
Of course, remind them, hey, ifyou're new here, feel you know
if you've been here before,subscribe if you're new here.
(36:18):
This is what we do.
Blah, blah, blah, which youheard me say at the beginning of
the podcast.
You know, I'm just tellingpeople who are maybe just
tripping in hey, this is what wedo.
We talk about candy and YouTube.
That way they know theexpectation is set.
When we talk about candy,they're like well, they did tell
me they were gonna talk aboutcandy.
I guess that's a thing Growing.
YouTube Okay, cool, so they know.
But I don't expect them tosubscribe for a while.
(36:39):
I do eventually hope that theywould subscribe or the very
least watch all.
I'm actually more interested inthem watching the videos I am
subscribing, but I understandthat, like, getting that number
up is important as well.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
I'm also.
I'm going to say somethingsassy.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Oh, please.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I would love to hear it.
Why should someone subscribe ifyou're not putting out content?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
There you go, boom, drop the, drop the bomb.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
That's why you want people to subscribe to be aware
of you putting out content.
If you're subscribed, it popsup on your home feed.
You have your notifications on.
If you're not uploading, what'sthe point of someone
subscribing?
Yeah, that's really just whatit comes down.
That's just what it comes downto, what's in it for them that
(37:23):
this is.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Let's get into this for a second.
Why do people subscribe?
Because I feel like that is agood subject for, like the
overall kind of talking aboutall this.
Which is why do peoplesubscribe?
There are multiple reasons.
In some countries, theysubscribe as just a almost like,
a like like oh, this is cool,subscribe, that's that happens a
lot in india though just it's.
It's a different cultural kindof use of the button.
(37:47):
Some people subscribe is like abookmark, like oh, I remember
this channel later, let me justsubscribe to it and then I can
check it later also true yeah,um, and then some people, which
I think most people only thinkabout, is like oh, I love this
channel, I want to subscribe,but that's not the only reason
we hit subscribe.
So then the question is how doyou get them to subscribe?
It's very hard to get them tosubscribe you.
You want them to want tosubscribe.
(38:08):
How do you do that?
Well, good content, as always,as we always talk about the
great non-answer, which is, youknow, make great content make
good videos make good videos.
There's your answer.
And then letting them know,like what's the expectation for
future stuff.
If you're making cool stuffthat people are going to want to
watch, of course they're goingto want to subscribe.
(38:29):
They're not going to want tomiss out on it, Although YouTube
does a really good job ofcontinuing to recommend content
anyway, but what makes yousubscribe?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I was going to throw in in like at this point where
the algorithm is like you couldnot even be subscribed to
channels and you don't even knowif you're watching it, it's
gonna show up for you yes andthen you might have that moment
you're like oh, I'm not evensubscribed which happens.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
I'm like, oh, I didn't even know because I keep
getting the content.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yes, well, yeah, exactly because we're
prioritizing.
You know, viewer, if you'reliking something that you're
watching, we're going to seemore of it.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yep, but why do I subscribe?
I personally subscribe becauseI want to see their content pop
up on my feed when it's uploaded.
If I'm not subscribed, I'mprobably not being surfaced
every new video that someone'smaking.
They're probably more curatedthings.
If someone's creating, say,even just two types of videos
(39:27):
and I'm watching one type,you're probably not going to see
the other type with everythingelse that I'm watching yeah,
that would be my assumption.
I have no way to like actuallytrack you wouldn't know because
you weren't served.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
so how would you know you're not being served?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
the content but I do subscribe to people because I
want to see their content.
I want to see, like when I login, like recently uploaded, and
see the people that I enjoywatching.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
And that might not surface to me for a couple of
days or after that goes out,even just in general, if I'm not
subscribed.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
I rarely subscribe to channels, but I watch a lot of
channels regularly yeah I rarelysubscribe because, um weirdly,
a lot of times I forget that I'mnot subscribed as I've said
before I watch a lot ontelevision so it's harder to
agree subscribe um.
Secondarily, if I'm served allthose videos, it never crosses
(40:24):
my mind that I'm not subscribed.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
True.
And subscribing on TV is like alot of buttons to click.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, you have to like go up, go to channel.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Go to subscribe.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Yeah, it's, it's a lot.
It's not awesome.
It's not awesome, okay, buteven but even, but even like on
desktop or whatever, if I'mbeing served your newest stuff
all the time, I forget that I'mnot subscribed.
So this is the case withmultiple channels that I watch
regularly right now and, as amatter of fact, as I'm saying
this, I'm realizing that there'schannels that I watch all the
time that I'm actually notsubscribed to, but I see all
(40:56):
their stuff, so that's a goodthing.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Well, this, is like when we see in our analytics how
many people are not subscribedExactly.
Well, I shouldn't say always,but a lot of time.
It's like more than 50%.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Right, right.
And the number to really lookat is how many people are
watching on the subscribe tab,which is so low that it makes
subscribing almost irrelevant.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Subscribing is irrelevant.
Let's talk about that.
It is irrelevant.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Yeah, the number is easy.
Let's talk about that.
It is irrelevant.
Yeah, the number is is, it'seasy.
So some people are probablylistening to their smaller like
well, it's easy to say when youhave a lot of subscribers.
True, if you have a lot ofsubscribers, or I've done it.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Okay so, yeah, okay.
So let's back this up.
I think there's really funmilestones to hit.
When it comes to hittingsubscribers, yep, but as a
culture on YouTube now,subscribers don't matter.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Even when shorts were introduced, subscribers no
longer even matter, becauseshorts can give you so many
subscribers so fast that itcompletely takes away the from
the meaning that subscribersused to have.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yes, I agree with this.
Yeah, I remember when I got myfirst 10 000 subscribers, I went
to etsy and bought a littleyoutube plaque thing.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
I still have it oh, my gosh, wait, that's so sweet,
I can go get it.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
It's over there, maybe I'll show it.
But, um, I was because I was soproud of that accomplishment,
um, and I, I remember that Iactually don't,000.
Like I don't even remember it,like what happened?
Speaker 2 (42:23):
I don't remember.
I remember the first time thatI got 100,000 views.
I cried.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Oh, is that?
When you got 100,000 views, youcried I always went by views.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
The first time I got 100,000 views, I cried in a
parking lot.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Really.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, I was literally so shocked and so happy I just
never thought like that wouldliterally ever happen.
I cried harder at 100,000 viewsthan a million views.
Wow, because I think, like youjust get to a point where not
that a million views isn't likeholy crap.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
It's just like my favorite moment as a creator was
still when I had a thousandsubscribers getting monetized,
like that happened like prettysimultaneous for me, so it's not
like I hit a thousandsubscribers and then I had to
wait it was like six months orsomething later, like it was
very like at the same time.
Yeah, so that was just likegreatest day of my life, and
(43:20):
then it was hitting a hundredthousand views and like nothing
else was as interesting whateven came close, because I feel
like you hit that next levelwhen you hit a hundred thousand
yeah because you have like tenthousand, you know twenty
thousand, fifty thousand, it'sall like there and it's, it's
amazing, it should be celebrated.
But then there's like that nextlevel, and I guess you could
(43:43):
say a million, it's like thatnext level too.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
But like a hundred thousand was just like what in
the world yeah, and even to behonest and we talked about this
before even trying to think ofwhat a thousand in person looks
like is still weird.
If you go to sporting events,you've seen 20, 30, 40 000
people in the thing and that'sastronomical.
But even just be in a room withlike 50 other people is if they
(44:06):
came to watch just you.
That's amazing.
Like that's.
You can make a career off thatgoing around and talking to 50
people at a time.
You can do that.
So I think sometimes we need toremember that the numbers are
interesting and they definitelyequate to real people, which is
probably the more powerful thing.
But everyone's numbers aredifferent and, um, yeah, that
first thousand was great too.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
That's true.
I remember the first video thatever hit a thousand views too
oh and I like, literally, yes, Ido.
I literally couldn't evenbelieve it oh my god right, so
cute, like those moments.
Like I know all like smallchannels want to be at that
level where they're like, ohyeah, like a million views.
(44:45):
I'm always getting like half amillion views on videos but like
I promise you it's never, ever,ever gonna mean as much as like
those first moments of likehitting that thousand.
Even that video that first gets100 views yeah, yeah, yeah like
that's just like you can Idon't know I will stand strong
by.
Like that doesn't compare toanything else, because you just
get number blind as time goes onyou do you expect bigger and
(45:09):
better things that you don'teven celebrate them.
Maybe that's like our person.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Maybe that's a personal problem for us travis
like oh my god, the numbers it'strue, I so I've told the story
before, but I'll say it again,and it matches exactly what you
just said.
Once upon a time, when I firststarted, I remember thinking if
a video gets to 100 views, itwas successful period, end of
story.
If it gets to 1,000, I'll neverhave to think about it again
because it was so overlysuccessful.
It was ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
And then later in my career, if I didn't get 1,000
views in the first 45 minutes,it felt like a failure, like an
absolute yeah, like youliterally get so blind yes to
what your expectations are, andit's not that you can't want
that for your channel, but theway that you're like so hard on
yourself about not hitting likesuch just I don't know larger
expectations yeah like it's it'scrazy, but like when you're
(46:07):
just starting out, like you havethe opportunity to appreciate,
like every single thing so muchmore yeah and yeah, yeah, we
should make it like we have togo into our personal channels
and like celebrate some type oflevel that we're at again, I
(46:28):
know
Speaker 1 (46:28):
everybody a lot of people are going oh yeah, but if
again you've had the success Ihaven't had it yet.
I get it, I totally get.
I understand what you're saying.
Trust me when I tell you enjoythis moment because it's, it
gets a little better, but neveris the same.
All right, last message thisone is likely going to cancel
jen forever although I have afeeling she already knows this,
(46:50):
but I kind of hope she doesn'tbecause I think it's hilarious.
All right, here we go.
This is a text message.
This message is for jen.
I'm a fellow vegan and I'm99.9% sure that candy corn is
not vegan friendly because itcontains gelatin.
As a candy corn lover myself, Iwas depressed when I found this
out.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
I know it definitely does have gelatin in it and I'm
fairly lenient when it comes togelatin.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Okay, tell us why gelatin is not vegan friendly.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
It's made of like.
I'm pretty sure it's made oflike like chicken feet and stuff
.
It's like all the like leftoverparts of yeah wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Hold on.
Hold on for a second.
Hold on.
Are you googling this?
I'm going to right now.
This is ridiculous.
I want you to continue toexplain how you've wrapped your
head around, why that's okay,and then I'm gonna.
I have, I have some things tosay to you, so there's also
something that I eat that likevery, very strict um vegans.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
I'm not a like super, super strict vegan like that um
, but my dad is, so I know allthese fun things like the glaze
I can't think of what it's likeconfectioners glaze or something
that's on that's on a lot oflike chocolates, like that clear
, shiny coat okay is made fromum?
I think it's beetles oh, yeah,what so?
(48:09):
that's made from in an animal aswell.
So a very, very, you knowstrict vegan would not eat the
confectioners glaze or whateverthe term actually is, either
wild, um, so there's like a lotof of things.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
I personally don't mind like look those situations
but see, the thing is she getsher candy corn.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
She's like it's fine, I'm turning a blind eye to this
, it's fine, like I can't say, Ican't say no, sorry, let me
read this, let me read this.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
Manufacturers produce gelatin by animal bones,
cartilage and skin.
This may use the bodies of cowsor fish, for example.
The process extracts a collagen, a fibrous protein that
connects the muscles, bone andskin, and turns into gelatin, a
flavorless, colorless,jelly-like substance.
(49:00):
Okay, yeah, but you won't havea chicken nugget.
I see All right Right, rightright and skin.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
It turns into Jonathan, a flavorless,
colorless jelly-like substance,okay, yeah, but you won't have a
chicken nugget.
I see, all right, right, rightright.
Like so different, so grossCandy corn, I will say Trader
Joe's, like all their candies,it's all made with tapioca,
which personally I like the chewbetter candy, like some of you
like bite into like toffee no,not like toffee.
Like have you ever had like afruit snack?
(49:25):
That's just like really likehard, like you have to like
really chew it.
Yeah, I mean, I'm making itsound really gross it does make
it sound kind of like it'smaking it sound really bad, but
like tapioca and gelatin arelike very different textures yes
, that's true and I prefer likethe tapioca ones, just anyways,
because they're like just verychewy.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Well, now we've learned more about you than we
probably ever thought we would.
Thus ends another episode andTravis learned what gelatin is.
I didn't know.
I actually did not know, andnow I think you're a hypocrite.
Now, in some ways, I feel likeyou're eating the worst parts of
the animal and I'm eating theparts that are reasonable and
I'm like you're not eating what?
Speaker 2 (50:07):
okay, all right, oh my gosh, that's a hilarious way
to look at it I mean what'shappening?
Speaker 1 (50:14):
you the sinew and the bones and the cartilage, but
you won't have a breast ofchicken.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Okay, I see it's so gross also like not that that
can be um white sugar also,depending on where it's produced
, like just regular white canesugar can have like trace like
animal bone I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
But I mean, when you think about honey which is
delicious is basically bee throwup.
It's like you kind of just Ialso eat honey.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
I also I do.
I love honey actually, which iscrazy, that doesn't seem like,
but that's a very polarizing one, for I was about to say yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
That doesn't feel like it should be vegan
unfriendly.
It's not like the bee died intoit, it's just part of the bee.
They just don't want anythingto do with.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
People debate that very heavily or just make like a
personal choice for what theybelieve in.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
But if something has honey in it, it won't be like
registered as a vegan product.
If it has honey in, it is nolonger considered vegan.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
That's what you know it can't have like a vegan, like
stamp like on it or anything.
Can't be interesting, I guess,like legally I don't know what
they do legally Legally it comesfrom an animal, so you will be
arrested, oh, no, sorry, I'mback, go ahead Legally what?
(51:34):
Struggling.
Yeah, my browser crashed for noapparent reason.
Legally, you go to jail, oh yougo to jail.
That's good You're arrested.
I'm glad to hear it.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Okay Now.
I don't even know if mycamera's working.
It might not be working rightnow, it's not, yeah, so anyway,
the good thing it's over.
The show is over.
If you're looking at a blackscreen, that's funny and that's
how we're going to end it.
Thank,
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