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December 24, 2024 103 mins

Today we're sharing a conversation between Martin Casado, general partner at Andreessen Horowitz and Nathan Labenz, AI scout, which originally aired on The Cognitive Revolution podcast from Turpentine. Their discussion explores AI systems complexity and debates whether AI development will lead to AGI. The conversation covers model scaling, biological AI, driverless cars, and AI safety concerns.

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HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE EPISODE:


  • Martin Casado argues AI has shown consistent incremental progress over 80 years rather than dramatic leaps, with apparent breakthroughs often being advances in specific domains rather than general intelligence.
  • The self-driving car industry demonstrates how early promising results don't necessarily translate to general solutions, with unit economics still being 3x worse than human drivers after 20 years and ~$100B investment.
  • The universe operates on heavy-tailed distributions where most new instances are exceptions, making truly general systems extremely difficult to create.
  • Language Models primarily perform kernel smoothing over positional embeddings to predict
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