June 1, 2024 • 42 mins
Part 2 of this horrific list now posted! And the stories here aren't any better. We have one tale of a completely senseless murder where the alleged killer wears the victim's clothes, and another that turned into a national story, with politically charged opinions and actions from all sides of the government.
Cases Covered:
1. Laken Riley
2. Kirsten Kluyts
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Sources:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/laken-riley-murder-suspect-plea-arraignment/story?id=110715582
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7511
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/laken-riley-dad-today-interview-rcna143742
https://www.news24.com/news24/southafrica/news/kirsten-kluyts-murder-accused-denied-bail-20231229
https://www.news24.com/citypress/news/kirsten-kluyts-cause-of-death-revealed-as-head-trauma-strangulation-and-smothering-20231220
Cases Covered:
1. Laken Riley
2. Kirsten Kluyts
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Join us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/twistedlisters
Follow us on Instagram: @twistedlisterspcast
Tiktok: @twistedlisters
Outro Music by Lady X/Y
Sources:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/laken-riley-murder-suspect-plea-arraignment/story?id=110715582
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7511
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/laken-riley-dad-today-interview-rcna143742
https://www.news24.com/news24/southafrica/news/kirsten-kluyts-murder-accused-denied-bail-20231229
https://www.news24.com/citypress/news/kirsten-kluyts-cause-of-death-revealed-as-head-trauma-strangulation-and-smothering-20231220
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Hey, Twisted Listeners. I'm Cindyand I'm Diva and this is Twisted Listeners,
a podcast about murder and listen,and this is part two of Murdered
(00:37):
Wild Jogging. And Diva said,he just told me before we started recording
that her case is good for yellingand mine is more mine's just weird,
so not really yelly, so muchis just like kind of sad and then
like also weird. So I'm gladbecause I feel like we've got uh,
(00:59):
you know, some different different We'rejust running. We're covering a lot of
bases today. We'll say we've gota lot of you know, if you
want to be mad, if youwant to be intrigued or confused, or
find something slightly funny, We're gonnahave all that for you today, which
is good. What should we beanything to talk about? Very sleepy.
(01:26):
I'm very sick of la being cold, Like I'm really ready. But that's
like this happened last year. It'sthe exact same thing where it was like
overcast and cloudy through like mid June, like the third week of June.
That happened last year too. Yeah, and then it came back in September,
so we have like two months oflike warm the weather that people are
(01:47):
like this is la weather. Wehad that for two months last year,
and it's on track to do that. That's not that bothered because I kind
of hate summer, my summer hater, and I love fall. So the
sooner it can feel like fall,the happier. Well, you've come to
the wrong place. Hey, Ifeel everybody who wants that ship ass weather
should just move somewhere with that ship. I don't want shit ass weather.
I actually specifically love like mid levelovercast. I love it not right now
(02:12):
actually because now it's like okay,now it's summer. But in September,
yes, then it's okay to me. I want to still be in the
pool through like mid October. No, I want to wear shorts, cold
and crisp. I want to fuckingcrunch leaves under my feet. I want
to mar a pumpkin spice. That'swhy you go move to Massachusetts where you
get that. But I can't handletheir coldest cold. I can't handle like
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like snow. I can't handle thatshit. I just want like a light
breeze. Oh that's all. Actually, I just met someone this week from
visiting from Chicago, and I madethem laugh really hard because I was like,
did you know that Los Angeles peopleare like hot and bothered that it's
like overcast And they were like laughingand laughing and laughing because this is like
incredible to them. I love Chicago, I truly like it is such a
(03:00):
fucking cool city and such a funplace to visit. But holy shit,
they could not have worse weather.They could not have worst weather. Big
conference in my field that takes placeevery year in February in Chicago. Oh
yeah, no, no, no, Chicago weather is thinking crazy like like
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to like, so it's in theI'm going to tell you right now,
Chicago, Illinois. It's seventy fivetoday, sixty seven tomorrow, seventy on
Saturday. Then then gets to theupper seventies and eighties, but is raining
in the week three days of likearound eighty degrees and raining. Now that's
like your standard like mid early summer. Like I was there in the middle
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of summer there was like a crazythunderstorm and it's like ninety degrees. And
then in the winter it just triesto murder you. It actually the city
tries to freeze you to death.So in any case, I love Chicago,
but goddamn that weather. So Iguess I shouldn't complain about our It
could be worse, could be worse, could be worse. All right?
Anyway, that was really exciting.Yeah, very exciting. Should we talk
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about freeways next? Maybe not?No? Are we? Am I going
first? You are going first?Oh? I completely forgot how that works.
I know. I was like,am I going first? What's happening?
So yeah, take take it away, friend. I was up at
one am and three am and fouram, so I'm like, I'm firing
on all cylinders. It's okay.I got a caffeine. I'm rocking the
(04:34):
caffeine here. Okay, all right, all right, So I'm gonna talk
about Lac and Rley. I kindof like went back and forth on doing
this, like, oh, it'sjust like there's a lot of angering political
stuff here, so just be warned, buckle up. But the first part
of the story is just a horrificmurder, and then we'll talk about the
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political stuff. Okay. So lacnwas a twenty two year old nurse student
at Augusta University. She had justgraduated, I believe, with her undergraduate
degree from the University of Georgia inAthens, Georgia, so she was basically
continuing on nursing school as kind oflike her graduate studies in the same town.
She wanted to work at a children'shospital. She's super like good hearted
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and an excellent person by all accounts. She was an excellent student. She
made the dean's list through undergrad soshe's just like rocking it. She was
very into her church and her sorority, so like just a very cliche not
to be negative, but you know, just a cliche like Christian sorority attending
college girl just doing very well herself, having her very nice, normal life,
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wholesome life. Yeah. Yeah,she's just uh doing very well.
She would have been a really promisingdoctor. I'm sure a spoiler alert under
in this tense what have because onFebruary twenty second of this year, so
this is a very hot recent crime, like hot the news February twenty second,
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she actually went for a morning runat the college's intramural fields, like
and was a really avid runner andjust into fitness in general. She had
run several marathons and then cross countryrunning in high school. So she was
like, this is her normal routineand sadly, she actually often ran with
friends, like more often, butthis time she just random randomly went by
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herself. So it was just totallyof course, I swear to God,
this is always how it happens.It's like the one time that like they
go by themselves. Were like inmy last case, it was like her
mom told her not to go andthen was like, fuck it, you
should go, Like what the fuck? Okay, sorry, Yeah. So
she doesn't come back from this run, and her friends pretty quickly report her
missing her and zip zop soup.Why do I have no buffer transition here?
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I don't always do this pretty muchright away, I think, like
hours later the same day, herbody was found in a wooded area just
off of campus at the Allen HerrickLake or kind of not like by the
lake, but in the wooded areaaround it. So this is not a
huge murder mystery because very quickly Ithink the next day, a suspect is
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identified in the media as Jose AntonioIbada, and Ibada is as citizen of
Venezuela, who will talk about thatin a second, And he came to
the US in twenty twenty two bycrossing the border in Texas for crossing the
border. He was arrested but releasedon parole, which I'll talk about more
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on a second. This is basicallywhere someone can temporarily stay in the country
under like kind of parole essentially,like they're kind of like watching you,
like if you fuck up, you'llget sent home, right, And basically
someone can Yeah I thought, isI think that they can do crimes and
theoretically get sent home. It's imported. In summer to my twenty three,
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he was charged by New York policewhere he originally settled in New York,
for acting in a lude manner toa child less than seventeen. Not great,
no, And he also got aseparately a is less crazy, but
a driver's license violation because he wasdriving a scooter without a license with a
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child on a scooter who did nothave a helmet. So that he's just
a dumbass, is what it soundslike. Yeah, yeah, he just
decisions. Yeah. So then lastfall he and his brother were charged with
shoplifting at a Georgia Walmart. Sojust really petty stuff. The obviously the
acting in Elude banner whatever is lesspetty. He's more serious. And then
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the other things are kind of minor, but yeah, Jose lived about a
mile away from where like in runningthat day he was in Athens, and
the basically they said they found himthrough security video. So I forget the
specifics or if I don't know,think how much they released. It's all
very like limited the information on thiscase. But I think he was like
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seeing wearing very he had very distinctiveshoes on that day. Perhaps there were
also footprints. I didn't see anythingabout that, but I think he was
seeing on a very nearby security cameralike leaving the scene or like you know,
there's the fucking guy. Like.It was not a very complicated investigation,
right, that kind of thing.So the arrest affidavit reveals basically what
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the authorities believe transpired. And also, by the way, he's charged with
ten counts in this and one ofthem is separate from this case, is
of being a peeping tom. Sohe was also peeping through someone else's window
and then did this and then thepicture so he's like on a chair.
He's like really he's like out likebeing a predator basically straight up hunting.
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Yeah, Okay, so they allegethat Jose basically just came up to Lincoln
and physically assaulted her with some kindof object. I haven't seen anywhere what
that was. But he beat herunconscious or you know, debilitated her in
some way, and then dragged herinto this wooded area where she was ultimately
(10:24):
found, and he killed her throughblunt force trauma and his phyxiation, which
were her two causes of death.Yeah, but they haven't really gotten into
tons of specifics. Like I said, all we have is that arrest affidavit
so far. They said that hespotted her running and this is a quote
unquote crime of opportunity. They obviouslydidn't know each other, but like I
said, he's just like out therefor looking for prey essentially. I mean,
(10:46):
it kind of does sound like that, Like it really does sound like
a crime of opportunity. Yeah,Like I said, it's unclear to me
where the security camera was that helpedthe authorities, you know, identify him.
But it sounds like a kind ofopen and shutcase. I was just
like googling to see if I could, Like, no, I haven't seen
anywhere of like security camera at theyou know, grocery store, so you
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know, I haven't really seen thatdetail just security video. Right, So
he hasn't gone to trial yet,and actually he's this is very much in
the news because as of like hoursago, he just appeared this morning in
a court hearing, since we're recordingon May thirty, first, he appeared
in a court hearing arraignment and pleadednot guilty. So that happened today.
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Yeah, today, he just justnow just a couple of hours ago,
I think, or was it yesterday, No, I think it was today
today. I just looked at itup one hour ago. Not guilty.
He just just pleaded not guilty athis arraignment. Yeah, we haven't gone
a trial, okay. Yeah,And the charges also kind of reveal what
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they think happened there include malice,murder, kidnapping, aggravated assault with intent
to rape, So that implies there'sa sexual assault motive, but it didn't
actually take place, got it potentially? Yeah, right, So that's where
we are with the case. Obviously, it's really fucked up and fucked up
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for Lacan's family, who I'll talkabout more in a little bit, but
they're just like obviously devastated. Thisis horrific. But the second part of
this story, unfortunately is that Lacin'shorrific murder has been very aggressively politicized by
far right assholes who would have youbelieve that Jose Antonio here Ibarra is somehow
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representative of the undocumented migrant population thatis somehow more dangerous than the rest of
the citizen population, which obviously isstatistically untrue. Just in case anyone was
wondering, this is my moment tosay it's not true. And actually there's
been tons and tons of studies.I mean, it's coming from a place
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of just blatant racism, right andfear, fear of brown people they're trying
to drum up, which is kindof like one of Trump's whole like platforms.
It's like this big thing part ofthe other in process that we were
talking about, how people you don'tsee people from like other countries or people
with different colored skin, is likethe same. Yes, Like they don't
love their children like we do.They don't like to read books, or
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like they don't like to you knowwhat I mean, Like they don't know
they're different. They're different, likethey don't live their life. No,
they're not a very same. Soif you google it, if you do
some googling. I won't go througheverything in detail here, but basically,
there's like tons and tons of studiesby very reputable universities and think tanks or
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whatever, tons of studies that havebeen performed that prove undocumented immigrants are actually
far less likely to commit crimes,and some as much as thirty percent less
likely to commit crimes in you ascitizens. And I think the reason is
pretty clear, right, because they'rescared of page on it, so they
don't do that. And actually they'remuch more likely to be victims of crimes.
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And part of that is because theyare terrified of reporting anything that happens
to them, right, because theydon't want to be deported exactly. Yeah,
So a lot of the vast majorityof them are just like keeping their
head down and working ship jobs andjust making money and doing the best they
can. Like you know, they'reobviously no more dangerous than any other population.
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But like you know, with anygroup of people, there's gonna be
fucking assholes. Yeah, you know, yeah, it's it's gonna happen.
There's going to be serial killers,even, it's going to be you know,
scary people that come in any population. You know, that's so different
because that's than the citizen population.Yeah, I mean everybody, like everybody
is like a sample of yeah,you know, it's not it's not like,
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yeah, I don't know, youknow what I'm saying, right exactly,
And I do this too. Theydo this kind of thing when a
homeless person commits a crime, whichof course we know the homeless are like
way more likely to be victims thananything else. But it's like, and
like I said, they're a crosssection too, like homeless people. Oh,
some of them are assholes, Likeof course that's going to happen,
but like, you know, anyway, they do the same shit. But
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anyway, let me get it moreinto the lake and shit. And so
they've the family has really hated atleast the dad. I think the mom
and the dad is slightly different here. So her dad, Jason Riley,
has come out saying basically, don'tpoliticize my daughter's death, which I really
respect his take on it. Hesaid that people on both sides of the
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like immigration issue, have lashed outquote unquote with the family, which like,
obviously don't do that. That's abad look. And even though the
family is conservative, like I said, they haven't actually like contributed to the
politicization of her death. At leastthe dad hasn't, and he's come out
and said this is really unfortunate.I'll say that again at the end here.
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But in Biden's March seventh State ofthe Union address this year, the
goblin Marjorie Taylor Green actually was heheckling. By the way, I forgot
that she's like an actual representative fora state like that's people vote for her
and she makes more money than likepeople like this, I forget that about
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Mitch mccon people are casting votes forMitch mccony. I mean, I feel
like Mitch McConnell's maybe out of thepicture now, considering he keeps having like
mini seizures, like like oh wait, is that you know, yeah,
Mitch McConnell. Yea even like Republicanswith terrible points of view, of perspective
views, you're voting for these papers, you know what I mean? Like
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they're anyway evil. So she's ashe's a representative of the state of Georgia.
And she heckled him and said sayher name, meaning like in this
is she's taken up Lake and Riley'sthis big platform, right fuck I just
mentioned politicizing this because she obviously caresso much about the girl and her family
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that she's completely fucking disrespecting. Sheis maybe one of the most reprehensible people.
And she's also like so very verydumb, Like catull up my cat
in really quick, because I'm gonnarant about Marjorie Taylor Green. When can
we just talk about the fact thatshe, I mean, Diva can't hear
me, but I'm talking to youlisteners. This woman just there's nothing behind
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those eyes. There's just a bigstupid smile and just dead fucking eyes.
Like she is so fucking soulless andevil like, and she's just so stupid.
Everything she does to like makeup pointis so fucking like just basic and
pedestrian. I cannot fucking stand her. I hate her so much. Hi,
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you're back. Yeah, she's reallyhateable. Uh i' co sign whatever
you just said. He's the mostbasic live It's basically what I said,
Okay, Yeah. And also it'sit's I'm not sure if it's on purpose,
who knows, But there's obviously aparallel there to this. People say
say their names or say her name, say his name about black victims of
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police violence. Right, yeah,so she's like parroting that. Oh my
god, my motherfucking cat, she'sdoing that thing where when I go and
I'm like do you want and she'slike no, but then on the second
I closed it or she like attacksit. Okay, I'm I'm sorry.
I'm going to shove her in thisroom so she can stop. Oh my
god, all right, cats,Okay, I'm sorry about that. I
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couldn't catch her too slippery. Okay, all right. So Biden held up
at the stave the Union address aacknowledging Marjorie here our friend. Biden held
out a lake and Riley pin thatshe had just given him earlier, and
he kind of obliged her. Andin trying to say her name, he's
said Lincoln Riley because because he's demented. And then he followed that with quote,
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this is Biden's quote, an innocentyoung woman who was killed by an
illegal Oh yeah, and that's whatwe that's what we fucking call president.
That's what our democratic president, ourDemocrat president president does that. Yeah,
look, look and look and listen. Biden's been like arch conservative most of
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his life slash now and using thelanguage and illegal like then as a noun,
and also illegal alien or alien isextremely dehumanizing. Yeah, that's so
fucked and yeah. On the sameday, Representative Mike Collins also have Georgia,
introduced a bipartisan bill with a supportof thirty seven Democrats UH to the
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House of Representatives called the Lake andRiley Act. This would require ICE to
arrest undocumented people for really minor crimesand petty things like theft, burglary,
larceny, or shoplifting and basically usethis as grounds for like immediate deportation.
So just get someone of our country. Someone steals a loaf of bread because
their family is hungry, they're gettingdeported. Right. It also ensures this
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is a quote quote that states havestanding to sue the federal government in cases
where federal officials are refusing to enforceimmigration law. So that's great. The
bill uses the same language of illegals, illegal alien very pointedly. And like
I said, Jason Riley said aboutthis politicization quote between used politically to get
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those votes, it makes me angry. I feel like they're just using my
daughter's name for that, and shewas much better than that, and she
should be raised up for the personthat she is. She was an angel,
so it's like, why don't wefocus on her and not like just
use her blatantly. Yeah, youknow, to further totally totally unrelated cause
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Blaken's mom, however, has kindof contributed to this a little bit by
meeting with Trump and kind of publiclylike you know, being buddies. Uh,
and she has come out and orTrump not her, but Trump has
come out and said that Biden's immigrationpolicies contribute to her murder. And I'll
just you know, I won't getalso done another rabbit hole, but I'll
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say here that Biden's policies in theborder do have a lot in common with
Trump's. Yeah, all the stats, yah, yeah, there's there's if
there's even diagram, there's a lotin the middle of that diagram that they
share and philosophically very similar. Andhe's actually talked this year specifically with the
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last like budget thing he did spendingbill, he's talked about being cracking down
quote unquote and like making the boarderpolicies more trump and more intense. So
he's not like necessarily more liberal aboutit. However, the one thing that
is slightly different is that he hasbeen doing these quote unquote paroles. So
that's like like in this case,so that's like one of the things that
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the Trump folks like point too.Can you hear that? No? No,
okay, all right, Cat's makingme insane. The mom also tweeted
that it was quote unquote pathetic ofBiden to not know her daughter's name,
which I guess that's fair. Isa little ridiculous considering it was like a
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hot button issue at the time.He probably did know it, but he's
just his brain is his brains.Yeah, so it's great what you want
to really watch, what you wantto president. So yeah. On another
note, I could talk a lotabout Venezuela and all of the US policies
of fucking with that country and withBlatin America in general that have directly resulted
in the mass wave of migrants we'veseen over the last you know, five
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ten years. Yeah. But anyway, just to final note here about the
Lake and Riley Act. It justit passed the House with flying colors,
well tons of Democrats voting for it, and it is now in limp.
Yep, it's now in limbo inthe Senate, where it's being championed by
piece of shit Katie Britt of Alabama, and as of a few days ago,
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Republican senators were still trying to youknow, work on it. It's
actively being discussed right now with someDemocrats in the Senate are trying to block
it. So there it is.And it sucks that something that's essentially like
yeah, it's something that's essentially aboutlike tearing families apart and hurting people is
being passed literally in her name,Like that's so such a bummer, like
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AGAs of her family. Yeah,it's like yeah, yeah, it's really
fucked up. Yeah. And JasonRiley, her dad, has also said
something too. I think it wasreally smart about like if you're going to
make an issue of this essentially,like do something about like violence against women,
or you know, do something aboutlike that's relevant, you know,
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about sex trafficking or something, youknow, something that's actually about like that's
relevant to violence against girls. Yeah, because that's what happened. Yeah,
well god damn. I mean it'sbecause nobody actually cares. The politicians in
our country, your pieces of shitwho just want to push their agendas.
I feel like when this has happeneda couple other times I forget the other
big cases, but like there wasthat immigrant man who like shot randomly shot
(24:27):
that girl in the head, likethe stray bullet. Remember that. Yeah,
There's like been a couple of bigcases like this where an immigrant is
the perpetrator. And I feel likethe Republicans are like excited, like they're
like foaming at the mouth when thiskind of thing happens. They're like,
oh fuck, yeah, you knowright right, yeah, there it is.
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I'm gonna wisk us away from theUS. I'm going to politics.
Yeah, I don't want to dealI'm sorry. I'm a little dead emotionally
about that because like or compare itto like I mean, not even compare
it, just add it to likePalestine and add it to like everything going
on. It's like it's like howwe're just like beating a dead horse at
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this point, like our government,I think the most evil entity in the
history of the universe really, likeyes, or our knowledge universe. Like
I wouldn't agree more. It's likea coal except it leads to like misery,
suffering and death for like millions ofpeople, And it's unreal that we
just don't do something about it.Like I saw something maybe you reposed it
(25:33):
that was like, oh, youknow, at some point we have to
acknowledge that we're trying to ask,you know, our government to care about
the children of Palestine when they alreadydon't give a shit about the children of
this country. Like it's like,oh wait, yeah, that's also true.
Yeah, yeah, I know immigrantchildren. Well, so fuck them
all. Right, let's go toSouth Africa. Is that cool? Oh
(25:56):
you do that? Okay, that'salso a country with a lot of political
issues. Yes, but we're notreally going to talk too much about them.
Oh well we will little actually wewill a little bit, but in
a way that's like unexpected, especiallyfor me. I try not to touch
stuff like this, but I'm goingto talk about it. So this is
the murder of Chris Chris, KristenKirsten or Kirsten Klates. Now it's k
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k l U I t S.So I was like, kloit's what is
it? And then I listened tosome videos from South Africa and it's like
claits Clates. But it's not likethat, like I can't say much an
origin and so I can't say itwith the proper Dutch name. Dutch whatever
you know. So it's like cloylights, it's your ancestry, Cindy,
(26:48):
your Dutch heritage. I will itdidn't pass down the ability to put the
accent in there. I can't putany any accent on it. But in
any case, so this is thecase of her murder. So Kirsten that
was the other thing is like there'san accent when they say her name,
so I'm like, is it Kirstenor Kirsten? But in any case,
Kirsten Klaits was a thirty four yearold Johannesburg teacher. She taught high school
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and I do not know if shewas in a relationship, so I do
know that she was thirty four yearsold. She was well loved in her
community, and she was an avidrunner. And as an avid runner,
she took part in this thing calledMy Run. It's a my Run event
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and it's like one word capital my capital argument my run. And these
are like I thought they were likebig special events, but apparently they take
place almost weekly and they're sort ofjust groups of people who get together and
run certain trails. And the peoplethat are part of My Run are like
the timekeepers and they like you haveeverybody like you're like, I think there's
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like bracelets for like how quickly,like for every lap you do or something
or somehow. It's basically people goand they run together, but they're trying
to like run their own personal best. Running is not like running is competitive,
but most people who like run orjog or do marathons, Yeah,
exactly, they're competing against their previousbest. So she was running in this
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My Run event that took place atGeorge Lee or George Leah Park in Park
Moore, Johannesburg. This was Octobertwenty ninth at around seven in the morning,
and she is taking part in thisrun with like a bunch of other
people. So there's tons of peoplerunning this trail. There's tons of people
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you know, out and about.It's not like a it's early morning,
but it's definitely not like a solojog like my last case, where she's
like out in the boonies running onlike you know, almost not abandoned roads,
but very like infrequently you know,traveled roads. This is like a
bunch of people at a park alldoing the same thing, which makes this
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to me like a really fucking crazycase. So she goes running and around
like eight oh five or seven thirtyfive am some point, very like right
before this all happens, there isa video taken of her by like one
of the CCTV and she's wearing like, oh, kind of like a bright
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blue shirt, black pants, andshe's smiling. She's smiling at the camera
as she's like going by and goingfor her job. Right, so people
see her. She's on CCTV,and she disappears into this park. Now
a little while later, about thirtyminutes or so, everybody else has finished
the run, everybody else has crossedthe finish line, they've been accounted for.
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She does not show up, sopeople go looking for her, and
pretty quickly they find her naked bodydead in the brush right off the trail.
Which again there are a bunch ofpeople here. This is like an
event set up by a company.This is not like she's out by herself
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for an early morning job. She'sin the roofs of people. So fucking's
wild crazy, right, not yourtypical jogger murder like, not at all,
not at all. She's with people, she's being safe, she's like
doing what she needs to do,you know. So anyway, her body
is found, and immediately they startinvestigating, and it takes them a little
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while, but they get together theCCTV footage from the day, and what
they find on it is fucking crazy. So they see her jogging into the
park, and shortly thereafter they seeanother person, a young black man see
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mainly, jump the fence and startfollowing behind her. Now, probably probably
twenty minutes later, the CCTV footagecatches this same man coming out of the
park with a wad of black clothingin his hands. In Diva, this
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is the crazy part. He isnow wearing a bright blue shirt. He's
now wearing her her shirt, hershirt flat. He went in in his
clothes and came out wearing her shirt, with her pants bunched in his hands
and lean and they show him stashingpart of her clothing, not the clothing
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of hers that he's wearing, andhe disappears. Now this is fucking weird,
and police immediately started really fucking crazy, and within it took him almost
exactly a month November twenty sixth theyfinally are able to trace this suspect to
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a student who's going to school,going to college in Santon, which is
like right in that same I thinkit's like a yeah, twenty one year
old. I'm so sorry. Hisname is hard to where the fuck is
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it? Where'd it go? Iwas just trying to like figure out how
to say it. Buffana Mahongella,Mahanngala, Bafana Mahongala. I think.
Okay, So twenty one year oldcollege student, Bafana Mahongala. And they
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finally, you know, pinpoint whohe is and they arrest him November twenty
sixth, twenty twenty three. That'ssorry, this is just this last year.
So on the Nova twenty eight hemakes his first appearance at the Alexandra
Magistrate's Court and then he gets legalrepresentation and he gets a date set for
a bail hearing. So he's heldin prison through you know, all of
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this time, from the time he'sarrested November twenty six and the last update
that I really have is from likeJanuary nineteenth of this year, and we'll
get there. So he's arrested,he's taken in and he immediately leads guilty,
says he didn't do it, andhis argument is that he just came
upon her body and because he isa black man, and she is a
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white woman and there in South Africa, he instead of calling for help,
took her clothing, put some ofit on, and threw the rest of
it away. Oh my god.Instead of asking for help, which like
what, like, I don't Itrust, came upon the body. Thing
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that people do is very straight andit's like, okay, if you came
upon the body, why did youstrip her naked and wear her clothes?
Like that's fucking weird. It's aweird move. If you didn't want anything
to do with it, then yougo ahead and just walk away. Like
I understand that, Like if you'rea young black man and she's a white
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woman, and yeah, South Africa'spretty fucked up, I get that,
but you don't strip her naked andtake her clothing, and like that's the
part her clothing, that's the fuckingpart. So Kirsten Klait's was beaten and
strangled to death. They finally didcome out later on because it's taking them
a while to like figure out causeof death, and it was had trauma.
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Now, he says when he sawher, there was a little bit
of blood on her mouth and shelooked like she'd been hit in the head.
Her injuries were so fucking extensive.She was beaten I think with fists
to the point of death and alsostrengthlesh. My god, so brutal and
so brutal. The worst part isthat this woman had recently under undergone,
(35:07):
undergone intense IVF treatments so that shecould get pregnant. She was fourteen weeks
pregnant when she was murdered after tryingfor years at thirty four years of age.
This is revenge for Alla's shit thatI've fucked knew up with. Now
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you're fucking me up. I sad, I know it's really fucked up.
She finally was pugnant fourteen weeks long, was fucking murdered. So sad.
Yeah, So when they found soduring this, so they take him to
he has a bail trial. Theyhaven't even gone on trial for this yet
now. He testified that her bodywas almost cold when he touched her to
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feel for a pulse, which isnot possible given the timeline. He also
said he saw blood on her cheekand that her neck was swollen. The
state during his bail trial, presentedseveral images that showed her with extensive injuries
to her eyes, nose, teethand mouth, so teeth, her whole
face is bruised, and he's saying, oh, that's not what it looked
like when I saw her. Mmhmmm sure. Yeah. So in any
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case, he is pleading not guilty, saying he just came upon her body.
The courts are obviously like, that'snot true. One of the more
recent things that happened, like inthe last month, is so he was
charged with premeditated because he jumped thefence and followed her, so pretended premeditated
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murder and rape. But they recentlydid the autopsy and it was inconclusive as
to whether or not she had actuallybeen raped, and there isn't any DNA,
So that's a bit of a blowto the prosecution, but it doesn't
mean he didn't murder her. Theproblem is it doesn't seem that there's a
lot of DNA evidence to prove thathe did. So it feels like,
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even with the video footage, it'sa largely circumstantial case. But I mean,
the clothing thing is wild though,that's circumstantial thing. Yeah, fucking
weird. But the problem for mewith that is he really could be like,
I'm just a weird ass person.Who took her clothing. That right
there explains why his DNA is onher if they're going to find like touch
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DNA or it's a long shot,but yeah, it's a long shot,
but there is doubt. Now,this isn't the United States, so you
know, I don't know that theircourt proceedings are exactly the same as ours.
They might be like that's a cutefive fuck off. I don't know.
In any case, that's where we'reat with this very fucking sad you
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know, pregnant looking forward to finallygetting that that she wanted. She I
guess she'd had surgery and had anovary removed, so she was having a
really difficult time. Yeah, andhad finally you know, I was having
a healthy pregnancy, was like soon life and then just for no fucking
reason, this kid attacked her.And I do want to say that he
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did have some seemingly violent charge againsthim from when he was a minor.
Apparently he avoided jail time for whatever, Like the records are not the same
as they are here, Like it'sharder to find out what he did,
but he does have like some sortof history of violence. So yeah,
I don't know they haven't gone totrial yet. My money's on that he
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absolutely fucking did it. Mm hmm. Pretty senseless and also just like very
fucking weird, right, like yeah, middle, it's just like everybody's people
are around. It's crazy that nobodysaw it happen, you know, because
there were so many people running thatexact same trail at that same time.
It's it's, you know, fuckedup, bad situation. So it's fucked
(38:50):
up, and it's really sad thatall these women and girls and it's like
these cases were just trying to run. Like I think if I'm on Arbury
too, it's like, should reallybe able to utilize public space like that,
and it's like really depressing. Yeahyeah, oh my goodness. So
here they are. There they are. And we didn't discuss what I wanted
(39:15):
to do for the next no,but I'd like to do people murdered on
first dates. We did. Wedid that dates I want to do a
redoce were two well there were twoI remember, we actually do. I
thought we did it. There weretwo that I wanted to redo, and
the first dates one is more popular. I was also thinking military murders,
but I realized, like not thatmany people listen to our Military Murders episode
(39:37):
bikes like it's still I mean orwhatever, but like it's that's like a
classic Fourth of July topic. Yeah, and we're almost there, but we're
not quite there. So I waslike, I was just kind of picking
something. I'm like, well,the States. I was like, you
know, Valentine's days already gone.But it's an interesting topic. There's so
many that we can come. Yeah. I think there's such a long list.
(39:58):
We could even do it part twowith no repeats as well. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I was thinkingthat I picked three for some reason.
I thought we hadn't done the firstdates. But the other two that
I picked were repeats of military murders. And I was also thinking Family Annihilators.
But we've done that one twice andI'm like, I know we need
to do it ten times, butI want to wait a little longer.
So like everyone everyone loves the FamilyAnnihilators. No, it's weird popula and
(40:22):
people are always just hoping for that. What's that got, Chris whatever?
Yeah? Fuck that fuck Wood?Oh my god. Yeah. So but
I want to do murdered on firstDates again because there's actually been cases in
the news too, since we didthat of new people on first dates.
I know, it's just it's sucha big topic unfortunately, and it's so
(40:45):
scary and weird. But I feellike we're going to have our pick up
some pretty interesting cases. So itjust wants really scary to date. Yeah,
it's terrifying. So it's horrible.It's like, oh, hey,
strange man, let's meet up.Mm hmmm ah okay, anyway, all
right, so there it is.Thanks everybody for listening. Please like,
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rate reviews, share with your friendsand family. Join us on Instagram,
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that's for kot it. All right, Well, thanks everybody, and
until the next one, stay offour very well. Yeah bye,
Hey, Twisted Listeners. I'm Cindyand I'm Diva and this is Twisted Listeners,
a podcast about murder and listen,and this is part two of Murdered
(00:37):
Wild Jogging. And Diva said,he just told me before we started recording
that her case is good for yellingand mine is more mine's just weird,
so not really yelly, so muchis just like kind of sad and then
like also weird. So I'm gladbecause I feel like we've got uh,
(00:59):
you know, some different different We'rejust running. We're covering a lot of
bases today. We'll say we've gota lot of you know, if you
want to be mad, if youwant to be intrigued or confused, or
find something slightly funny, We're gonnahave all that for you today, which
is good. What should we beanything to talk about? Very sleepy.
(01:26):
I'm very sick of la being cold, Like I'm really ready. But that's
like this happened last year. It'sthe exact same thing where it was like
overcast and cloudy through like mid June, like the third week of June.
That happened last year too. Yeah, and then it came back in September,
so we have like two months oflike warm the weather that people are
(01:47):
like this is la weather. Wehad that for two months last year,
and it's on track to do that. That's not that bothered because I kind
of hate summer, my summer hater, and I love fall. So the
sooner it can feel like fall,the happier. Well, you've come to
the wrong place. Hey, Ifeel everybody who wants that ship ass weather
should just move somewhere with that ship. I don't want shit ass weather.
I actually specifically love like mid levelovercast. I love it not right now
(02:12):
actually because now it's like okay,now it's summer. But in September,
yes, then it's okay to me. I want to still be in the
pool through like mid October. No, I want to wear shorts, cold
and crisp. I want to fuckingcrunch leaves under my feet. I want
to mar a pumpkin spice. That'swhy you go move to Massachusetts where you
get that. But I can't handletheir coldest cold. I can't handle like
(02:36):
like snow. I can't handle thatshit. I just want like a light
breeze. Oh that's all. Actually, I just met someone this week from
visiting from Chicago, and I madethem laugh really hard because I was like,
did you know that Los Angeles peopleare like hot and bothered that it's
like overcast And they were like laughingand laughing and laughing because this is like
incredible to them. I love Chicago, I truly like it is such a
(03:00):
fucking cool city and such a funplace to visit. But holy shit,
they could not have worse weather.They could not have worst weather. Big
conference in my field that takes placeevery year in February in Chicago. Oh
yeah, no, no, no, Chicago weather is thinking crazy like like
(03:21):
to like, so it's in theI'm going to tell you right now,
Chicago, Illinois. It's seventy fivetoday, sixty seven tomorrow, seventy on
Saturday. Then then gets to theupper seventies and eighties, but is raining
in the week three days of likearound eighty degrees and raining. Now that's
like your standard like mid early summer. Like I was there in the middle
(03:45):
of summer there was like a crazythunderstorm and it's like ninety degrees. And
then in the winter it just triesto murder you. It actually the city
tries to freeze you to death.So in any case, I love Chicago,
but goddamn that weather. So Iguess I shouldn't complain about our It
could be worse, could be worse, could be worse. All right?
Anyway, that was really exciting.Yeah, very exciting. Should we talk
(04:11):
about freeways next? Maybe not?No? Are we? Am I going
first? You are going first?Oh? I completely forgot how that works.
I know. I was like,am I going first? What's happening?
So yeah, take take it away, friend. I was up at
one am and three am and fouram, so I'm like, I'm firing
on all cylinders. It's okay.I got a caffeine. I'm rocking the
(04:34):
caffeine here. Okay, all right, all right, So I'm gonna talk
about Lac and Rley. I kindof like went back and forth on doing
this, like, oh, it'sjust like there's a lot of angering political
stuff here, so just be warned, buckle up. But the first part
of the story is just a horrificmurder, and then we'll talk about the
(04:55):
political stuff. Okay. So lacnwas a twenty two year old nurse student
at Augusta University. She had justgraduated, I believe, with her undergraduate
degree from the University of Georgia inAthens, Georgia, so she was basically
continuing on nursing school as kind oflike her graduate studies in the same town.
She wanted to work at a children'shospital. She's super like good hearted
(05:19):
and an excellent person by all accounts. She was an excellent student. She
made the dean's list through undergrad soshe's just like rocking it. She was
very into her church and her sorority, so like just a very cliche not
to be negative, but you know, just a cliche like Christian sorority attending
college girl just doing very well herself, having her very nice, normal life,
(05:45):
wholesome life. Yeah. Yeah,she's just uh doing very well.
She would have been a really promisingdoctor. I'm sure a spoiler alert under
in this tense what have because onFebruary twenty second of this year, so
this is a very hot recent crime, like hot the news February twenty second,
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she actually went for a morning runat the college's intramural fields, like
and was a really avid runner andjust into fitness in general. She had
run several marathons and then cross countryrunning in high school. So she was
like, this is her normal routineand sadly, she actually often ran with
friends, like more often, butthis time she just random randomly went by
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herself. So it was just totallyof course, I swear to God,
this is always how it happens.It's like the one time that like they
go by themselves. Were like inmy last case, it was like her
mom told her not to go andthen was like, fuck it, you
should go, Like what the fuck? Okay, sorry, Yeah. So
she doesn't come back from this run, and her friends pretty quickly report her
missing her and zip zop soup.Why do I have no buffer transition here?
(06:58):
I don't always do this pretty muchright away, I think, like
hours later the same day, herbody was found in a wooded area just
off of campus at the Allen HerrickLake or kind of not like by the
lake, but in the wooded areaaround it. So this is not a
huge murder mystery because very quickly Ithink the next day, a suspect is
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identified in the media as Jose AntonioIbada, and Ibada is as citizen of
Venezuela, who will talk about thatin a second, And he came to
the US in twenty twenty two bycrossing the border in Texas for crossing the
border. He was arrested but releasedon parole, which I'll talk about more
(07:44):
on a second. This is basicallywhere someone can temporarily stay in the country
under like kind of parole essentially,like they're kind of like watching you,
like if you fuck up, you'llget sent home, right, And basically
someone can Yeah I thought, isI think that they can do crimes and
theoretically get sent home. It's imported. In summer to my twenty three,
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he was charged by New York policewhere he originally settled in New York,
for acting in a lude manner toa child less than seventeen. Not great,
no, And he also got aseparately a is less crazy, but
a driver's license violation because he wasdriving a scooter without a license with a
(08:28):
child on a scooter who did nothave a helmet. So that he's just
a dumbass, is what it soundslike. Yeah, yeah, he just
decisions. Yeah. So then lastfall he and his brother were charged with
shoplifting at a Georgia Walmart. Sojust really petty stuff. The obviously the
acting in Elude banner whatever is lesspetty. He's more serious. And then
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the other things are kind of minor, but yeah, Jose lived about a
mile away from where like in runningthat day he was in Athens, and
the basically they said they found himthrough security video. So I forget the
specifics or if I don't know,think how much they released. It's all
very like limited the information on thiscase. But I think he was like
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seeing wearing very he had very distinctiveshoes on that day. Perhaps there were
also footprints. I didn't see anythingabout that, but I think he was
seeing on a very nearby security cameralike leaving the scene or like you know,
there's the fucking guy. Like.It was not a very complicated investigation,
right, that kind of thing.So the arrest affidavit reveals basically what
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the authorities believe transpired. And also, by the way, he's charged with
ten counts in this and one ofthem is separate from this case, is
of being a peeping tom. Sohe was also peeping through someone else's window
and then did this and then thepicture so he's like on a chair.
He's like really he's like out likebeing a predator basically straight up hunting.
(10:01):
Yeah, Okay, so they allegethat Jose basically just came up to Lincoln
and physically assaulted her with some kindof object. I haven't seen anywhere what
that was. But he beat herunconscious or you know, debilitated her in
some way, and then dragged herinto this wooded area where she was ultimately
(10:24):
found, and he killed her throughblunt force trauma and his phyxiation, which
were her two causes of death.Yeah, but they haven't really gotten into
tons of specifics. Like I said, all we have is that arrest affidavit
so far. They said that hespotted her running and this is a quote
unquote crime of opportunity. They obviouslydidn't know each other, but like I
said, he's just like out therefor looking for prey essentially. I mean,
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it kind of does sound like that, Like it really does sound like
a crime of opportunity. Yeah,Like I said, it's unclear to me
where the security camera was that helpedthe authorities, you know, identify him.
But it sounds like a kind ofopen and shutcase. I was just
like googling to see if I could, Like, no, I haven't seen
anywhere of like security camera at theyou know, grocery store, so you
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know, I haven't really seen thatdetail just security video. Right, So
he hasn't gone to trial yet,and actually he's this is very much in
the news because as of like hoursago, he just appeared this morning in
a court hearing, since we're recordingon May thirty, first, he appeared
in a court hearing arraignment and pleadednot guilty. So that happened today.
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Yeah, today, he just justnow just a couple of hours ago,
I think, or was it yesterday, No, I think it was today
today. I just looked at itup one hour ago. Not guilty.
He just just pleaded not guilty athis arraignment. Yeah, we haven't gone
a trial, okay. Yeah,And the charges also kind of reveal what
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they think happened there include malice,murder, kidnapping, aggravated assault with intent
to rape, So that implies there'sa sexual assault motive, but it didn't
actually take place, got it potentially? Yeah, right, So that's where
we are with the case. Obviously, it's really fucked up and fucked up
(12:18):
for Lacan's family, who I'll talkabout more in a little bit, but
they're just like obviously devastated. Thisis horrific. But the second part of
this story, unfortunately is that Lacin'shorrific murder has been very aggressively politicized by
far right assholes who would have youbelieve that Jose Antonio here Ibarra is somehow
(12:41):
representative of the undocumented migrant population thatis somehow more dangerous than the rest of
the citizen population, which obviously isstatistically untrue. Just in case anyone was
wondering, this is my moment tosay it's not true. And actually there's
been tons and tons of studies.I mean, it's coming from a place
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of just blatant racism, right andfear, fear of brown people they're trying
to drum up, which is kindof like one of Trump's whole like platforms.
It's like this big thing part ofthe other in process that we were
talking about, how people you don'tsee people from like other countries or people
with different colored skin, is likethe same. Yes, Like they don't
love their children like we do.They don't like to read books, or
(13:24):
like they don't like to you knowwhat I mean, Like they don't know
they're different. They're different, likethey don't live their life. No,
they're not a very same. Soif you google it, if you do
some googling. I won't go througheverything in detail here, but basically,
there's like tons and tons of studiesby very reputable universities and think tanks or
(13:46):
whatever, tons of studies that havebeen performed that prove undocumented immigrants are actually
far less likely to commit crimes,and some as much as thirty percent less
likely to commit crimes in you ascitizens. And I think the reason is
pretty clear, right, because they'rescared of page on it, so they
don't do that. And actually they'remuch more likely to be victims of crimes.
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And part of that is because theyare terrified of reporting anything that happens
to them, right, because theydon't want to be deported exactly. Yeah,
So a lot of the vast majorityof them are just like keeping their
head down and working ship jobs andjust making money and doing the best they
can. Like you know, they'reobviously no more dangerous than any other population.
(14:30):
But like you know, with anygroup of people, there's gonna be
fucking assholes. Yeah, you know, yeah, it's it's gonna happen.
There's going to be serial killers,even, it's going to be you know,
scary people that come in any population. You know, that's so different
because that's than the citizen population.Yeah, I mean everybody, like everybody
is like a sample of yeah,you know, it's not it's not like,
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yeah, I don't know, youknow what I'm saying, right exactly,
And I do this too. Theydo this kind of thing when a
homeless person commits a crime, whichof course we know the homeless are like
way more likely to be victims thananything else. But it's like, and
like I said, they're a crosssection too, like homeless people. Oh,
some of them are assholes, Likeof course that's going to happen,
but like, you know, anyway, they do the same shit. But
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anyway, let me get it moreinto the lake and shit. And so
they've the family has really hated atleast the dad. I think the mom
and the dad is slightly different here. So her dad, Jason Riley,
has come out saying basically, don'tpoliticize my daughter's death, which I really
respect his take on it. Hesaid that people on both sides of the
(15:39):
like immigration issue, have lashed outquote unquote with the family, which like,
obviously don't do that. That's abad look. And even though the
family is conservative, like I said, they haven't actually like contributed to the
politicization of her death. At leastthe dad hasn't, and he's come out
and said this is really unfortunate.I'll say that again at the end here.
(16:02):
But in Biden's March seventh State ofthe Union address this year, the
goblin Marjorie Taylor Green actually was heheckling. By the way, I forgot
that she's like an actual representative fora state like that's people vote for her
and she makes more money than likepeople like this, I forget that about
(16:23):
Mitch mccon people are casting votes forMitch mccony. I mean, I feel
like Mitch McConnell's maybe out of thepicture now, considering he keeps having like
mini seizures, like like oh wait, is that you know, yeah,
Mitch McConnell. Yea even like Republicanswith terrible points of view, of perspective
views, you're voting for these papers, you know what I mean? Like
(16:45):
they're anyway evil. So she's ashe's a representative of the state of Georgia.
And she heckled him and said sayher name, meaning like in this
is she's taken up Lake and Riley'sthis big platform, right fuck I just
mentioned politicizing this because she obviously caresso much about the girl and her family
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that she's completely fucking disrespecting. Sheis maybe one of the most reprehensible people.
And she's also like so very verydumb, Like catull up my cat
in really quick, because I'm gonnarant about Marjorie Taylor Green. When can
we just talk about the fact thatshe, I mean, Diva can't hear
me, but I'm talking to youlisteners. This woman just there's nothing behind
(17:32):
those eyes. There's just a bigstupid smile and just dead fucking eyes.
Like she is so fucking soulless andevil like, and she's just so stupid.
Everything she does to like makeup pointis so fucking like just basic and
pedestrian. I cannot fucking stand her. I hate her so much. Hi,
(17:53):
you're back. Yeah, she's reallyhateable. Uh i' co sign whatever
you just said. He's the mostbasic live It's basically what I said,
Okay, Yeah. And also it'sit's I'm not sure if it's on purpose,
who knows, But there's obviously aparallel there to this. People say
say their names or say her name, say his name about black victims of
(18:14):
police violence. Right, yeah,so she's like parroting that. Oh my
god, my motherfucking cat, she'sdoing that thing where when I go and
I'm like do you want and she'slike no, but then on the second
I closed it or she like attacksit. Okay, I'm I'm sorry.
I'm going to shove her in thisroom so she can stop. Oh my
god, all right, cats,Okay, I'm sorry about that. I
(18:40):
couldn't catch her too slippery. Okay, all right. So Biden held up
at the stave the Union address aacknowledging Marjorie here our friend. Biden held
out a lake and Riley pin thatshe had just given him earlier, and
he kind of obliged her. Andin trying to say her name, he's
said Lincoln Riley because because he's demented. And then he followed that with quote,
(19:08):
this is Biden's quote, an innocentyoung woman who was killed by an
illegal Oh yeah, and that's whatwe that's what we fucking call president.
That's what our democratic president, ourDemocrat president president does that. Yeah,
look, look and look and listen. Biden's been like arch conservative most of
(19:30):
his life slash now and using thelanguage and illegal like then as a noun,
and also illegal alien or alien isextremely dehumanizing. Yeah, that's so
fucked and yeah. On the sameday, Representative Mike Collins also have Georgia,
introduced a bipartisan bill with a supportof thirty seven Democrats UH to the
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House of Representatives called the Lake andRiley Act. This would require ICE to
arrest undocumented people for really minor crimesand petty things like theft, burglary,
larceny, or shoplifting and basically usethis as grounds for like immediate deportation.
So just get someone of our country. Someone steals a loaf of bread because
their family is hungry, they're gettingdeported. Right. It also ensures this
(20:19):
is a quote quote that states havestanding to sue the federal government in cases
where federal officials are refusing to enforceimmigration law. So that's great. The
bill uses the same language of illegals, illegal alien very pointedly. And like
I said, Jason Riley said aboutthis politicization quote between used politically to get
(20:44):
those votes, it makes me angry. I feel like they're just using my
daughter's name for that, and shewas much better than that, and she
should be raised up for the personthat she is. She was an angel,
so it's like, why don't wefocus on her and not like just
use her blatantly. Yeah, youknow, to further totally totally unrelated cause
(21:04):
Blaken's mom, however, has kindof contributed to this a little bit by
meeting with Trump and kind of publiclylike you know, being buddies. Uh,
and she has come out and orTrump not her, but Trump has
come out and said that Biden's immigrationpolicies contribute to her murder. And I'll
just you know, I won't getalso done another rabbit hole, but I'll
(21:26):
say here that Biden's policies in theborder do have a lot in common with
Trump's. Yeah, all the stats, yah, yeah, there's there's if
there's even diagram, there's a lotin the middle of that diagram that they
share and philosophically very similar. Andhe's actually talked this year specifically with the
(21:47):
last like budget thing he did spendingbill, he's talked about being cracking down
quote unquote and like making the boarderpolicies more trump and more intense. So
he's not like necessarily more liberal aboutit. However, the one thing that
is slightly different is that he hasbeen doing these quote unquote paroles. So
that's like like in this case,so that's like one of the things that
(22:10):
the Trump folks like point too.Can you hear that? No? No,
okay, all right, Cat's makingme insane. The mom also tweeted
that it was quote unquote pathetic ofBiden to not know her daughter's name,
which I guess that's fair. Isa little ridiculous considering it was like a
(22:33):
hot button issue at the time.He probably did know it, but he's
just his brain is his brains.Yeah, so it's great what you want
to really watch, what you wantto president. So yeah. On another
note, I could talk a lotabout Venezuela and all of the US policies
of fucking with that country and withBlatin America in general that have directly resulted
in the mass wave of migrants we'veseen over the last you know, five
(22:56):
ten years. Yeah. But anyway, just to final note here about the
Lake and Riley Act. It justit passed the House with flying colors,
well tons of Democrats voting for it, and it is now in limp.
Yep, it's now in limbo inthe Senate, where it's being championed by
piece of shit Katie Britt of Alabama, and as of a few days ago,
(23:19):
Republican senators were still trying to youknow, work on it. It's
actively being discussed right now with someDemocrats in the Senate are trying to block
it. So there it is.And it sucks that something that's essentially like
yeah, it's something that's essentially aboutlike tearing families apart and hurting people is
being passed literally in her name,Like that's so such a bummer, like
(23:41):
AGAs of her family. Yeah,it's like yeah, yeah, it's really
fucked up. Yeah. And JasonRiley, her dad, has also said
something too. I think it wasreally smart about like if you're going to
make an issue of this essentially,like do something about like violence against women,
or you know, do something aboutlike that's relevant, you know,
(24:02):
about sex trafficking or something, youknow, something that's actually about like that's
relevant to violence against girls. Yeah, because that's what happened. Yeah,
well god damn. I mean it'sbecause nobody actually cares. The politicians in
our country, your pieces of shitwho just want to push their agendas.
I feel like when this has happeneda couple other times I forget the other
big cases, but like there wasthat immigrant man who like shot randomly shot
(24:27):
that girl in the head, likethe stray bullet. Remember that. Yeah,
There's like been a couple of bigcases like this where an immigrant is
the perpetrator. And I feel likethe Republicans are like excited, like they're
like foaming at the mouth when thiskind of thing happens. They're like,
oh fuck, yeah, you knowright right, yeah, there it is.
(24:48):
I'm gonna wisk us away from theUS. I'm going to politics.
Yeah, I don't want to dealI'm sorry. I'm a little dead emotionally
about that because like or compare itto like I mean, not even compare
it, just add it to likePalestine and add it to like everything going
on. It's like it's like howwe're just like beating a dead horse at
(25:10):
this point, like our government,I think the most evil entity in the
history of the universe really, likeyes, or our knowledge universe. Like
I wouldn't agree more. It's likea coal except it leads to like misery,
suffering and death for like millions ofpeople, And it's unreal that we
just don't do something about it.Like I saw something maybe you reposed it
(25:33):
that was like, oh, youknow, at some point we have to
acknowledge that we're trying to ask,you know, our government to care about
the children of Palestine when they alreadydon't give a shit about the children of
this country. Like it's like,oh wait, yeah, that's also true.
Yeah, yeah, I know immigrantchildren. Well, so fuck them
all. Right, let's go toSouth Africa. Is that cool? Oh
(25:56):
you do that? Okay, that'salso a country with a lot of political
issues. Yes, but we're notreally going to talk too much about them.
Oh well we will little actually wewill a little bit, but in
a way that's like unexpected, especiallyfor me. I try not to touch
stuff like this, but I'm goingto talk about it. So this is
the murder of Chris Chris, KristenKirsten or Kirsten Klates. Now it's k
(26:22):
k l U I t S.So I was like, kloit's what is
it? And then I listened tosome videos from South Africa and it's like
claits Clates. But it's not likethat, like I can't say much an
origin and so I can't say itwith the proper Dutch name. Dutch whatever
you know. So it's like cloylights, it's your ancestry, Cindy,
(26:48):
your Dutch heritage. I will itdidn't pass down the ability to put the
accent in there. I can't putany any accent on it. But in
any case, so this is thecase of her murder. So Kirsten that
was the other thing is like there'san accent when they say her name,
so I'm like, is it Kirstenor Kirsten? But in any case,
Kirsten Klaits was a thirty four yearold Johannesburg teacher. She taught high school
(27:17):
and I do not know if shewas in a relationship, so I do
know that she was thirty four yearsold. She was well loved in her
community, and she was an avidrunner. And as an avid runner,
she took part in this thing calledMy Run. It's a my Run event
(27:40):
and it's like one word capital my capital argument my run. And these
are like I thought they were likebig special events, but apparently they take
place almost weekly and they're sort ofjust groups of people who get together and
run certain trails. And the peoplethat are part of My Run are like
the timekeepers and they like you haveeverybody like you're like, I think there's
(28:02):
like bracelets for like how quickly,like for every lap you do or something
or somehow. It's basically people goand they run together, but they're trying
to like run their own personal best. Running is not like running is competitive,
but most people who like run orjog or do marathons, Yeah,
exactly, they're competing against their previousbest. So she was running in this
(28:25):
My Run event that took place atGeorge Lee or George Leah Park in Park
Moore, Johannesburg. This was Octobertwenty ninth at around seven in the morning,
and she is taking part in thisrun with like a bunch of other
people. So there's tons of peoplerunning this trail. There's tons of people
(28:45):
you know, out and about.It's not like a it's early morning,
but it's definitely not like a solojog like my last case, where she's
like out in the boonies running onlike you know, almost not abandoned roads,
but very like infrequently you know,traveled roads. This is like a
bunch of people at a park alldoing the same thing, which makes this
(29:07):
to me like a really fucking crazycase. So she goes running and around
like eight oh five or seven thirtyfive am some point, very like right
before this all happens, there isa video taken of her by like one
of the CCTV and she's wearing like, oh, kind of like a bright
(29:29):
blue shirt, black pants, andshe's smiling. She's smiling at the camera
as she's like going by and goingfor her job. Right, so people
see her. She's on CCTV,and she disappears into this park. Now
a little while later, about thirtyminutes or so, everybody else has finished
the run, everybody else has crossedthe finish line, they've been accounted for.
(29:52):
She does not show up, sopeople go looking for her, and
pretty quickly they find her naked bodydead in the brush right off the trail.
Which again there are a bunch ofpeople here. This is like an
event set up by a company.This is not like she's out by herself
(30:14):
for an early morning job. She'sin the roofs of people. So fucking's
wild crazy, right, not yourtypical jogger murder like, not at all,
not at all. She's with people, she's being safe, she's like
doing what she needs to do,you know. So anyway, her body
is found, and immediately they startinvestigating, and it takes them a little
(30:38):
while, but they get together theCCTV footage from the day, and what
they find on it is fucking crazy. So they see her jogging into the
park, and shortly thereafter they seeanother person, a young black man see
(31:00):
mainly, jump the fence and startfollowing behind her. Now, probably probably
twenty minutes later, the CCTV footagecatches this same man coming out of the
park with a wad of black clothingin his hands. In Diva, this
(31:22):
is the crazy part. He isnow wearing a bright blue shirt. He's
now wearing her her shirt, hershirt flat. He went in in his
clothes and came out wearing her shirt, with her pants bunched in his hands
and lean and they show him stashingpart of her clothing, not the clothing
(31:47):
of hers that he's wearing, andhe disappears. Now this is fucking weird,
and police immediately started really fucking crazy, and within it took him almost
exactly a month November twenty sixth theyfinally are able to trace this suspect to
(32:08):
a student who's going to school,going to college in Santon, which is
like right in that same I thinkit's like a yeah, twenty one year
old. I'm so sorry. Hisname is hard to where the fuck is
(32:30):
it? Where'd it go? Iwas just trying to like figure out how
to say it. Buffana Mahongella,Mahanngala, Bafana Mahongala. I think.
Okay, So twenty one year oldcollege student, Bafana Mahongala. And they
(32:50):
finally, you know, pinpoint whohe is and they arrest him November twenty
sixth, twenty twenty three. That'ssorry, this is just this last year.
So on the Nova twenty eight hemakes his first appearance at the Alexandra
Magistrate's Court and then he gets legalrepresentation and he gets a date set for
a bail hearing. So he's heldin prison through you know, all of
(33:14):
this time, from the time he'sarrested November twenty six and the last update
that I really have is from likeJanuary nineteenth of this year, and we'll
get there. So he's arrested,he's taken in and he immediately leads guilty,
says he didn't do it, andhis argument is that he just came
upon her body and because he isa black man, and she is a
(33:37):
white woman and there in South Africa, he instead of calling for help,
took her clothing, put some ofit on, and threw the rest of
it away. Oh my god.Instead of asking for help, which like
what, like, I don't Itrust, came upon the body. Thing
(33:58):
that people do is very straight andit's like, okay, if you came
upon the body, why did youstrip her naked and wear her clothes?
Like that's fucking weird. It's aweird move. If you didn't want anything
to do with it, then yougo ahead and just walk away. Like
I understand that, Like if you'rea young black man and she's a white
(34:19):
woman, and yeah, South Africa'spretty fucked up, I get that,
but you don't strip her naked andtake her clothing, and like that's the
part her clothing, that's the fuckingpart. So Kirsten Klait's was beaten and
strangled to death. They finally didcome out later on because it's taking them
a while to like figure out causeof death, and it was had trauma.
(34:43):
Now, he says when he sawher, there was a little bit
of blood on her mouth and shelooked like she'd been hit in the head.
Her injuries were so fucking extensive.She was beaten I think with fists
to the point of death and alsostrengthlesh. My god, so brutal and
so brutal. The worst part isthat this woman had recently under undergone,
(35:07):
undergone intense IVF treatments so that shecould get pregnant. She was fourteen weeks
pregnant when she was murdered after tryingfor years at thirty four years of age.
This is revenge for Alla's shit thatI've fucked knew up with. Now
(35:28):
you're fucking me up. I sad, I know it's really fucked up.
She finally was pugnant fourteen weeks long, was fucking murdered. So sad.
Yeah, So when they found soduring this, so they take him to
he has a bail trial. Theyhaven't even gone on trial for this yet
now. He testified that her bodywas almost cold when he touched her to
(35:52):
feel for a pulse, which isnot possible given the timeline. He also
said he saw blood on her cheekand that her neck was swollen. The
state during his bail trial, presentedseveral images that showed her with extensive injuries
to her eyes, nose, teethand mouth, so teeth, her whole
face is bruised, and he's saying, oh, that's not what it looked
like when I saw her. Mmhmmm sure. Yeah. So in any
(36:17):
case, he is pleading not guilty, saying he just came upon her body.
The courts are obviously like, that'snot true. One of the more
recent things that happened, like inthe last month, is so he was
charged with premeditated because he jumped thefence and followed her, so pretended premeditated
(36:38):
murder and rape. But they recentlydid the autopsy and it was inconclusive as
to whether or not she had actuallybeen raped, and there isn't any DNA,
So that's a bit of a blowto the prosecution, but it doesn't
mean he didn't murder her. Theproblem is it doesn't seem that there's a
lot of DNA evidence to prove thathe did. So it feels like,
(37:00):
even with the video footage, it'sa largely circumstantial case. But I mean,
the clothing thing is wild though,that's circumstantial thing. Yeah, fucking
weird. But the problem for mewith that is he really could be like,
I'm just a weird ass person.Who took her clothing. That right
there explains why his DNA is onher if they're going to find like touch
(37:22):
DNA or it's a long shot,but yeah, it's a long shot,
but there is doubt. Now,this isn't the United States, so you
know, I don't know that theircourt proceedings are exactly the same as ours.
They might be like that's a cutefive fuck off. I don't know.
In any case, that's where we'reat with this very fucking sad you
(37:44):
know, pregnant looking forward to finallygetting that that she wanted. She I
guess she'd had surgery and had anovary removed, so she was having a
really difficult time. Yeah, andhad finally you know, I was having
a healthy pregnancy, was like soon life and then just for no fucking
reason, this kid attacked her.And I do want to say that he
(38:06):
did have some seemingly violent charge againsthim from when he was a minor.
Apparently he avoided jail time for whatever, Like the records are not the same
as they are here, Like it'sharder to find out what he did,
but he does have like some sortof history of violence. So yeah,
I don't know they haven't gone totrial yet. My money's on that he
(38:28):
absolutely fucking did it. Mm hmm. Pretty senseless and also just like very
fucking weird, right, like yeah, middle, it's just like everybody's people
are around. It's crazy that nobodysaw it happen, you know, because
there were so many people running thatexact same trail at that same time.
It's it's, you know, fuckedup, bad situation. So it's fucked
(38:50):
up, and it's really sad thatall these women and girls and it's like
these cases were just trying to run. Like I think if I'm on Arbury
too, it's like, should reallybe able to utilize public space like that,
and it's like really depressing. Yeahyeah, oh my goodness. So
here they are. There they are. And we didn't discuss what I wanted
(39:15):
to do for the next no,but I'd like to do people murdered on
first dates. We did. Wedid that dates I want to do a
redoce were two well there were twoI remember, we actually do. I
thought we did it. There weretwo that I wanted to redo, and
the first dates one is more popular. I was also thinking military murders,
but I realized, like not thatmany people listen to our Military Murders episode
(39:37):
bikes like it's still I mean orwhatever, but like it's that's like a
classic Fourth of July topic. Yeah, and we're almost there, but we're
not quite there. So I waslike, I was just kind of picking
something. I'm like, well,the States. I was like, you
know, Valentine's days already gone.But it's an interesting topic. There's so
many that we can come. Yeah. I think there's such a long list.
(39:58):
We could even do it part twowith no repeats as well. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I was thinkingthat I picked three for some reason.
I thought we hadn't done the firstdates. But the other two that
I picked were repeats of military murders. And I was also thinking Family Annihilators.
But we've done that one twice andI'm like, I know we need
to do it ten times, butI want to wait a little longer.
So like everyone everyone loves the FamilyAnnihilators. No, it's weird popula and
(40:22):
people are always just hoping for that. What's that got, Chris whatever?
Yeah? Fuck that fuck Wood?Oh my god. Yeah. So but
I want to do murdered on firstDates again because there's actually been cases in
the news too, since we didthat of new people on first dates.
I know, it's just it's sucha big topic unfortunately, and it's so
(40:45):
scary and weird. But I feellike we're going to have our pick up
some pretty interesting cases. So itjust wants really scary to date. Yeah,
it's terrifying. So it's horrible.It's like, oh, hey,
strange man, let's meet up.Mm hmmm ah okay, anyway, all
right, so there it is.Thanks everybody for listening. Please like,
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is linked in our show notes.Anything else we want to say, No,
that's for kot it. All right, Well, thanks everybody, and
until the next one, stay offour very well. Yeah bye,
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