June 13, 2023 • 44 mins
006. We're talking about the power of community and the essential need for all of us to be a part of one. We've got our petty grievances. Can anyone say fake Southern accents? The worst? At least according to tammie, they are.
We answer a great question about the dumbest way we ever got injured.
We talk pinball machines and the Miami running community.
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Unknown (00:06):
Welcome to the to coach Bennett's talking Podcast. I'm
Coach Tammie Bennett. And I'mCoach Chris Bennett. This is
where we talk about anything wewant.
Anything we want, like movies ormusic, running, not running life
and what gets us excited.
Fantasy and sci fi books? No,we're not talking about that.
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All right, well, we'll talkabout everything but fantasy and
sci fi books. So sit back orkeep moving because it's time to
start talking.
This is episode six of to coachBennett's talking. And what are
we talking about? Greatquestion. We're talking about
the power of community and theessential need for all of us to
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be a part of one. We've got ourpetty grievances. Can anyone say
fake Southern accents? Theworst? At least according to
Tammie, they are. We answer agreat question about what was
the dumbest way we ever gotinjured? We talked pinball
machines. We talked the Miamirunning community. And we talked
about so much more. So let's getstarted.
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Hello, Coach, how are you doing?
So good. I'm so good to hearthat you're doing so good. How
was your week? Ah, you know, Iactually got a lot for you. My
Week was great. I visited Miamifor the first time ever, which
was shocking to me, actually,when I had told people that I'd
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never been to Miami before I hadto pause a little bit and think
later, is that true? Becausesomehow I'd never been to Miami.
So I was in Miami for globalRunning Day, which was a
fantastic experience. I thinkwe're going to talk about that
more later. I think so too. Ithink so to tell me a little bit
about your week. How have youbeen? What have you been up to?
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Um, I said on the last podcastthat I was planning on going to
the beach and I did not go tothe beach. Woof. I got overtaken
with a sense of laziness, and Iparked myself on the couch and I
binged some TV, which I'll talkabout later. Okay. I don't see
anything wrong with that. Yeah,I there was nothing wrong with
that. Sometimes you just stillthere right? Still there. Okay,
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areyou planning on going sometime
soon, though? I hope Yes. I'mnot going to jinx it and say
what day? Okay, fair enough. Youbelieve in jinxes? Mm hmm. Okay.
I'm not totally sold on jinxes.
I'm not either. It was just funto say that word is a good word.
What word is that? Gene Jinx.
Ah, no. Yeah, it was before youI was before you know. All
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right, well, we'll have to go tothe listeners and see who won
that battle. And then whoeverlost can't speak until
obviously, they're allowed outof the jinx prison. But you're
editing the podcast so you canactually change what voice was
heard first in the editingprocess. So it's not really fair
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at all. I think you know that.
I'm not one. I'm not that goodat editing yet. And two. I also
have a little bit of some slothinside me and I'm not going to
bother with that nonsense. Okay.
What are we talking about today?
Well, it's actually each onewith the meat and taters. Yeah.
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Okay, well, the meat and tatersare is inspired by my trip to
Miami. And it's really justabout the absolute necessity.
The importance of having a greatcommunity in your life, whatever
that may be. It could be acommunity of 800 people, it
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could be a community of threepeople. It could be a community
of two, somewhere in between.
It's just having community andhow important it is and
different ways that can show up.
Because I went down to Miami, Iwas invited by Frankie Ruiz, who
I feel is like the mayor ofMiami running to take part in a
couple of global Running Dayevents. And the first night at a
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run that he's been doing foryears and years and years, every
Tuesday night and the Burchillarea of Miami had over 100
people come out to it.
And they were so awesome. Andyou know what it's like when you
get around, especially withrunners, but really any really
good community, how welcomingthey were, how friendly they
were, how you feel like you cantake on the world when you have
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these people in front of you andto the left and right of you and
behind you. And it was such awonderful experience. It was
such a high, you know, andcoming back from Miami, we spoke
about it and I'll tell you what,one of the first communities I
thought of, for whatever reasonwas actually the group of middle
school girls you coached a fewyears ago. Do you remember this?
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You had this incredible grouphave girls running track. And to
me watching how they competedand how they worked with each
other, and just the general vibeof that collection of girls that
to me that I was thinking,that's a great community. And I
wanted to ask you about that,like, how did that get built?
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Because to me, that's, that isalways like exhibit a when I'm
thinking of a really powerful,positive community. Yeah, well,
I think, to me, some of thepillars of having a great
community and this this shows upin my coaching, whether it be
coaching runners or coaching,you know, life coaching groups,
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is that you have to normalizeand welcome the wins, and the
losses, the feels, the setbacks,you have to normalize, wanting
to be good, you have tonormalize being good. And so I
think that that's what I alwaystried to show in my groups, and
especially with those youngrunners is, we are here to kick
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ass. And we are here to dancearound and play and make funny
videos on the infield. And weare here to have workouts where
we feel like shit, and we don'tlet it get us down. We're just
like, oh, man, that was a toughone. I felt like crap today. And
we just celebrate it because weif it if we normalize that some
days, you're gonna feel likecrap. It you don't you can't
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make it be that something'swrong with you, which is like
humans have the tendency whensomething's going wrong, we make
it be that it's our fault, orthat we're doing something
wrong. But when you see all theother people in the group have
had that experience thatsometimes, then you don't turn
it against yourself. You're justlike, oh, this is normal, like
it's normal to have a bad daysometimes. And then you don't
feel so alone. And I just, Ithink that's just fostering that
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in a group is what creates thatcommunity. So in a way, I'm
hearing and I agree beyond, canyou go beyond 100%? When you
agree with something? I think sowell, if you can't, then I
agree. 100%. But if you can Iagree more than 100%. That
you're it's important. If youwant a strong community to
create a place where it's safeto do all of those things that
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you said, right, like it's safeto fail, but it's also safe to
say I want to win. And it's alsosafe to say I need some help.
It's also safe to, you know,like you said dance and have fun
and also be serious if you wantto it's just it's a place to be
safe with whatever you'rebringing to the table that day.
Yeah, and I want to emphasizeWell, I mean, they're, they're
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so important all the ends of thespectrum, the winning and the
the loss, the loss and thelosing.
But I it was something that Ilearned when I coached with the
power men Track Club, they havea youth group.
And a lot of their professionalrunners would show up, sometimes
they helped coach a little bit,sometimes they showed up to hang
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out. But I remember when theycame with a world championship
medal to show the kids, andthere was something so cool
about normalizing that you canwin medals. Maybe you might not
be after a world championshipmedal, maybe your medal is going
to be in the local road race ora rec league or who knows what,
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but just normalizing medals. Andthen Colleen Quigley and Shalane
were part of this at the time,and they were both stating big
goals they had for themselves.
And they were saying them beforethey achieve them and telling
the world what they wanted todo. And I thought that was so
powerful for these young girlsand the and the guys too, but to
just see people saying, I wantto do something really big, and
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I'm not scared to tell you and Imight not do it. But I'm gonna
give it my all and trying andit's I might not do it. But I'm
still going to just stand outhere and profess loudly what I
want to do. And I think there'ssomething so powerful about
seeing that and normalizing thatyou can have big goals and that
you can state them out loud,even if you might not achieve
them was so cool.
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Yeah, and the other thing, whichI'd be interested to hear why
you think this was the case, butI during this, you know watching
these, these meats because wehad kids on the middle school
team, I got to be a fan and nota coach, which was a lot of fun
for me. I just got to hang outon the backstretch and really
pay attention and really seethings that I don't normally get
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to see, as a coach. It seemed tome that this group that was
wildly successful, like wildlysuccessful, but they also seemed
like they were having more funthan anybody else. And it was to
me, I loved that part. BecauseI've always thought that
sometimes people think like, wegotta sacrifice one, like, if
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you're having fun, then you'renot gonna win or if you're
winning, you can also have funand I was like this is beat Matt
to crap because the people thatare having the most fun are also
really successful. And they alsowere, you know, they wanted to
take themselves seriously. Butat the same time they knew that
this wasFor an awful lot of fun, and
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they were also, which I knowyou've brought up and this would
be the next thing I know, I'masking like nine questions in
one. But the last thing was howimportant it was that they
support each other, and they cancompete with each other. Okay,
so I'm going to sparse out twoseparate questions in there. The
first one is, I think, and bothof us coach this way. And I
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think this way, that having funis an essential part to success.
And I think that that was theatmosphere that I, you know, I
always chose to coach young kidsbecause I wanted to coach kids
that were our kids. I wanted ourkids to grow up in an atmosphere
where running was fun. Becausefor me when I was a child, and
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started early running wasn't funall the time. So because I
wanted to always be around ourkids and be one of their
coaches. I coached young kidsfor 14 years are coached of all
ages for 14 years. But one of mybiggest goals was for them to
know that this was a fun sport,and that it's unsustainable, if
it's not fun. And so it was justas important to me to have them
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doing like the would you call itlike the Patty cake, patty cake,
like kind of things like handjive things, and like filming
Tiktok dances like that part ofpractice was just as important
to me as the really hardworkouts that I gave them.
And it's really funny, becauseyou and I have noticed in one of
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our kids in particular, ifthey're having fun, like while
they're doing the warm ups, andthey're smiling and laughing and
kind of dancing around, we'relike, Oh, it's on, this kid's
gonna have a great race today.
And I just wanted to talk aboutthis former second. Our son, I
remember very specifically, Ithink I even did a podcast
episode about this. But he hisfirst, his first season in
college, he went to a razor inhis first 10k in cross country,
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and I remember being at themeet, and he looked over, and he
smiled and waved during therace. And I was like what is
going on, because that is not atypical occurrence. And he had
his best race ever at the time.
Like at the time, that was hisbest race ever. And I just use
that as an example of when youare having fun, you just perform
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better. And that doesn't meanthat it doesn't hurt. It just
means that you're having funhurting sometimes. And I think
it's you know, we were justwatching NCAA A's and the winner
of the girl from Harvard. It wasat the 5k It was the 1500. Okay.
My Ramsden? Yeah, yes. So in herpost race interview, she said
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that last year, she was takingeverything so seriously, and was
kind of rigid about training andracing. And then it just sort of
took the fun out of it. And soher goal for this year was to
have more fun and more enjoymentand practice and racing. And she
did that. And she won. And it'sjust, you know, I actually had a
parent tell me that they wereupset with a coach for saying,
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you know, go out there and havefun, like, let's just play
around and see what happens. Andthey were so furious. And
they're like, What kind ofadvice is that? And I'm like,
it's the best advice you couldgive. That's what that is.
Because I just believe we bothbelieve that you can play and
have fun while you are pushingyourself and pushing your body
to the limits. And it's justsuch an important part. If you
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want to sustain it, if you wantto sustain this effort. Yeah,
absolutely. I mean, if you can,that's one of the secrets, if
there's anyone out there that'strying to coach kids, or maybe
you're trying to get more out ofyour training. If you can
somehow convince people that thehardest challenges and the
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toughest stuff is fun, thenthere's no end to what you can
get them to do. Like that'sthat's, and that was one of the
things that I always lovedwatching was, I would see these
kids and you'd say, Wow, that'sthey're pulling off some really
amazing things. But they'rehaving fun. And to me, one of
the biggest issues I always hadwith watching how track and
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field and cross country wascoached was the fact that I grew
up playing lots of sports. Andas hard as basketball practice
was, it was fun. Even when wewere getting yelled at by the
coach, basketball was fun. Whenwe were playing baseball,
baseball was fun, no matter howhard the practice was. And for
whatever reason, when track andfield or cross country got hard,
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it ceased being fun when it wasbeing coached the wrong way. It
just, it was just a chore and toyour point, you're never going
to be able to sustain the effortand the passion if it suddenly
is becoming more of a chore thana joy or a release. So but I
have another question for you.
Can I ask you another question?
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Yeah, I had one more thing tosay about that. But we can move
on because it's no no, no, no,no. Do it, do it and then and
then I'll ask you the question.
I just wanted to point out thatfun, does not mean you're not
training hard. So when I firststarted coaching youth, the
coachBefore me, they coach their
youth by playing games likeSharks and Minnows, which is
like a version of tag. And Ididn't do that. I'm like, No,
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we're going to learn the sportof cross country. And we're
going to learn the sport oftrack. We're not going to be
here to play tag. And I treatedthem like real track athletes,
real cross country athletes, wedid real workouts we did hill
repeats fun things like that.
But there were no more games,because I feel like that almost
dumbed it down, that you thinkthat you can only have fun if
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you're playing like games liketag. And so I just I just wanted
to sign doesn't mean that you'renot doing real workouts, you can
do real workouts that are reallychallenging and have them be a
lot of fun. Yes, I agree withthat. Also, if I can go over
100%, it's over 100%. And that,that even goes back to what I
was saying about basketball,right? Like basketball practice.
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We weren't, you know, playing, Iknow that you had a coach that
once made you do Krav soccer asa workout, like that's not a
real workout, like, and to yourpoint, it kind of dumbs it down.
It makes it illegitimate, italmost makes it like the actual
sport is absolutely zero fun.
And if we try to do it for toolong, you're not going to like
it. And if I actually reallyshow it to you, you're going to
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hate it and you're going to runaway. And that's the opposite of
what it should be. It should bethis is fun and challenging
yourself. And going on an easyrun is a way for you to get to
know your teammates and doing agreat interval workout is fun,
because running fast is fun. Andit's scary to run fast. And like
those are the types of thingsthat kids buy into and like, oh,
okay, I do want to go topractice. Just for the same
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reasons I wanted to go tobasketball, and soccer and
baseball because I liked thechallenge of it. I liked the
competition. I liked workinghard because it was fun. And I
wanted to get better. I mean,that was the other reason why
you went to practice, you wentto basketball practice, and you
went to baseball practice overand over again. Because you did
you want it to get better. Forwhatever reason, our sport
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sometimes screws that up,because I think people don't
trust that the sport is actuallyessentially a lot of fun. Yeah,
I just wanted to bring it realquick back to community is that
when you are in somethingtogether, when you are together,
and you get through a toughworkout, and you're panting and
hands over knees and laying onthe ground and sweating your
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head off together that juststrengthens that sense of human
community because you've allsurvived something together. And
I think that's what probably thepeople in Miami are feeling like
after they go for a run. Andit's really hot, or you know, a
tough workout or something, itbonds them even that much more.
And that's what was happeningfor the teams that I coached is
we got through it. And I toldthem what badass as they were
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for getting through this reallytough workout. And they felt
like champs and they did ittogether. And so yeah, just, you
know, bringing it back to thesense of community. I think
that's what strengthens it. Iagree. Totally. And I think
that's, you know, if you asksomeone, you know, define a
great community, I would imaginesomebody in a family feud style
where they got like the topanswers, one of the top two
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answers is either going to besupportive or helpful like that,
like when you when you thinkabout like what makes a great
community. And if you think ofthat no matter what, whether it
was a community of friends, orit's literally your
neighborhood, if you're thinkingabout what makes a great
community, I would imaginealmost everyone is thinking
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it's a community that that helpseach other. And I think that's
kind of what we're getting atinstead of like, you have a
really great team and a teamthat's really supportive of each
other. And they allow you to beyou and they allow you to fail
and they allow you to you know,and they celebrate you when you
do something great. And that'swhat I saw in Miami, I saw this
group that passing each otherthey were saying Good job going
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the opposite way. They weresaying Good job. They were high
fives at the end, there werehugs they were they were people
that noticed people that hadn'tbeen there, in let's say, a
couple of weeks, which is areally good feeling that someone
knows that you weren't there.
And at the same time you havepeople saying, like, Hey, how
did how did the doctor'sappointment go? Or, you know,
how's your calf feeling? Theselittle things have just you
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noticed me, you see me? I'm notinvisible. And I think you know,
and I talked about this with alot of the people there, it
feels really good to help out.
And that's also what a communitydoes. It's not just people
helping you, it's you have theopportunity to help others,
which I think is part of therecipe for a great community.
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Which leads me to my nextquestion. This is amazing how
this worked. I was going to saywhat are the three to four top
doesn't mean that there aren'tmore ingredients to you. Top
three to four ingredients. Ifyou're trying to build a
successful, great community.
On the spot on the spot, you gotto be a chef here. We've made so
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many great communities you haveto know not just what all the
ingredients are. I think thehard part is, I'm asking you to
just name the top three to fourYeah, I mean, I guess
inclusivity like everybodybelongs here. And that touches
on what you were just saying,like, you absolutely belong
here. I think a support and allof the things. So I think
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supporting in the trying likethat you support each other for
making big efforts, and youencourage pickup big efforts,
whether or not that ends in awinning result or a loss or a
fail, because that's what we'rehere for. Because if you can
celebrate the trying, celebratethat you went after it, then
you're going to try more oftenand try more things. Which means
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mathematically, you're going tohave more wins. The more you
try, the more you put yourselfout there. And the more you go
for the shot, or the more you gofor that, you know, PR in the
race, the more times you try,the more wins you're gonna have.
So let's celebrate each otherfor trying no matter what the
outcome is. That's huge. Yeah,PB not PR, but that's okay. We
can we can fix that later. Yeah.
Okay, so go ahead. You got twomore ingredients. I don't know
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if I have two more.
I mean, I think if you'reinclusive, and if you're
supporting each other win, lose,try fail all the things in the
middle. I mean, I, I thinkthat's all there is. I think
each person has to be willing toshow up and to feel safe to show
up. But I think if you're partof supporting and including,
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yeah.
So on the spot, I'm writingabout a loss. Yeah, my loss for
the other two? I think youactually answered it better than
I even expected because you saidI don't need four, I got two.
And maybe that's why you wereable to build so many because it
wasn't complicated. It wasn't.
We need 27 Differentingredients. It's be inclusive
and support each other.
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And those are pretty bigumbrellas, both of those and
they got a lot of stuffunderneath. So nice. Okay. See,
and we talked for probably alittle bit longer than I thought
about this, and you were soefficient with the recipe. Boom.
Perfect. We're back on track. Doyou have anything else to add?
What you would have no.
Community? No. And this is thebenefit of doing something with
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you. Because I don't disagreewith anything you said. And in
fact, I I, I only agree. I thinkas people that are looking for a
community to be a part of Ithink your you want to be
looking for those ingredients.
And if you want to build yourown community, I think it's as
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easy. As Tammie just said, thatbeing said, just because it's
easy, in terms of this is whatyou need. I think the hardest
part is that is what you saidabout the showing up. Like if
you want to build a community,then you're gonna have to be the
one that's always there. So youare including people, until the
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community can kind of do this onits own, you're going to have to
be the one that is supportingpeople, when maybe the community
is not strong enough to besupporting itself. And if we
bring this back to Miami, that'swhy I'm, I'm just so impressed
with what Frankie Ruiz has donein Miami, and so much of it is
because he has shown up yearafter year after year, Tuesday
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after Tuesday, after Tuesday andThursday after Thursday, in so
many different places buildingthis and inclusive, a supportive
environment.
But first, it starts withsomebody showing up and inviting
people to be a part of it. So ifthere is a hard part it is it is
what is always the hard part.
It's consistently showing up. Sothat's the only thing I would
add to it. Yeah, that's sointeresting. I'm just gonna plug
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a future thing of mine sincewe're talking about showing up
in communities his that's thething I'm working on for my big
goal for this year is to have acommunity where people can show
up since my podcast is the showup society. But that is
something that I'm working veryseriously on and putting so much
thought into is to create anonline community where people
can come support each other. Soanyway, just think it's funny
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that you said show up becauseit's my my community is going to
be called the show up society.
So yeah, that's what I'm workingon. There you go full circle.
Okay. Now I usually screw thisup. And I forget what's next.
But can I just guess is itwhat's floating our fancies? No
petty grievance, pettygrievance, we always bring it
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down. That's right before webring it back up. Okay, fine.
All right. Well, do you have apetty grievance? I do. Let's go.
Fake Southern accents. I can'ttake it. So I grew up my whole
life, North Carolina. And Icannot watch shows no matter how
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much I want to I remember like,I think it was The Vampire
Diaries I read or whatever, howmany books it was like 12 books
or something. And then it becamea show and I couldn't get
through a single episode becausethey had one character with the
fakest southern accent and Icouldn't take it. I can't take
it.
So that's it.
You don't want to tell us anymore about what you're probably
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As with them silver accent Oh mygosh, I can't. Is that pretty
close? No. Hey, you need to getyour all changed. I need a new
pair of boots. I love Southernaccents.
Well, I said fake Southernaccents. There's no difference.
Sure. I think fake accents.
crack me up the real accentscrack me up. And I don't think I
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have an accent but the kids makefun of me sometimes when I say
things so, like milk.
I say milk. Yes. The way I saymilk. It looks like it filled
me. Okay, as opposed to milk.
Would you like some milk? Idon't have to roll your owl.
Don't roll your owl. Just let usdrink their milk with your
coffee. Oh, first of all? No,I'd like half and half. But
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secondly, what is milk? Oh mygosh. Seriously. I feel like I
should be like sleeping in acoffin. Milk. Don't worry
listeners. We mock him endlesslyfor the way he pronounces milk.
Yeah, milk anyway. Okay, sothat's your petty. So really
quick, petty grievance minusbecause I was traveling. And you
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know this, it bothers me to noand we had a discussion about
this a couple days ago doesn'tbother you. It drives me insane.
When the plane lands. And we'reat the gate. The door isn't even
open yet on the plane and peopleget into the aisles, especially
when you're in like row 31.
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Dude, what are you doing? Likethere's nowhere to go? Why are
you standing I understand itfeels good to stand. But not
everybody can stand. And on topof that. I love I sit in the
aisle seat. I try to get theaisle seat every single time.
The last thing I need is somedude standing three inches away
from me after he has beensitting in a seat for six
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straight hours. Because his legsache like just give it another
five minutes. And then we'll allget out. Because it gets
complicated. It gets hard to getyour baggage down because the
aisle is jammed. People startpushing up so you're in row 31
Suddenly, the dude standing nextto you in his slightly sweaty
jeans is from like row 34. Andyou're like, Dude, you're not
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even going to be able to getyour bags. It's chaos. So just
relax. sit in your seat. Themovie player still works.
Finished the movie we'rewatching or the show. And just
relax. Settle down. Settle down.
That's my petty grievance. Justsettle down. Stay in your seat.
I'm on Team stand all the way Itotally stand up when the plane
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lands. Oh, it feels so good. AndI love it. If you're late. Fine.
Like I get it tell people likelook, I gotta get to a different
terminal and we're running late.
I, I am with you. 100%. Okay.
But if you are having that muchof an issue with your legs from
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sitting, walk around on theplane, when the pilot takes that
seat belt, you know, sign off,do a couple of laps, go to the
bathroom, you don't even have togo the bathroom, just go in the
bathroom and hang out. You knowwhat I mean? And then you can
leave. That's what I do. I justwalk around, I get up half a
dozen times. And that's why Idon't feel the need to stand in
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the aisle. That's all justrelax. We're not going anywhere
yet. Calm down. All right,that's my petty grievance. It's
petty. I told you it's the nameof this. It's petty grievance.
It's petty. All right, let'sopen the mailbag. And while
we're doing that, we got to senda shout out. Thank you to
Melissa Sears for sending us abox of goodies and can be thank
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you so much, Melissa.
Great, great surprise when wewent to the mailbag. The mailbag
has been a just a ragingsuccess. Yes, yes.
We have the best friends outthere. Yes. And the address is
in the show notes. So if yousend us your questions, first of
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all, so we can answer them onthe podcast. And then if you
want to include any goodies,we'll take those two and we'll
be so grateful. Yes.
Okay, you ready for thequestion? Let's do this as a fun
one. Okay. We've actually gottenthis before we've never answered
it. So we're actually bumpingthis up the list a little bit. I
think this is a hilariousquestion. What is the dumbest or
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strangest injury you've evergotten? I'm gonna go first.
Sure. I got hurt. Sleeping. So Iwas sitting on the couch. And
this was whenI believe we lived in North
Carolina at the time. So wewould have had maybe we had all
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three kids suffice to say I waslacking deep sleep, or
consistent sleep. And I wassitting on the couch and what
would happen every single night?
Very early is I would if I wasreading or if I was one
watching anything, I would justfall asleep. And what happened
was I was sitting up on thecouch, and my head dropped like
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two or three times. So like, youknow, when you fall asleep and
suddenly like your chin justdrops, and it kind of shocks
you. That happened, I think liketwo or three times, the third
time it happened. I knewsomething terrible had just
occurred. And I basically gavemyself whiplash from falling
asleep. Now, so true. The Theonly thing more embarrassing
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than realizing I just reallyhurt my neck was having to tell
Tammy, I just got hurt sleeping.
And I could not turn my neck. Icouldn't turn and look to the
left to the right. for maybe aweek. It was the worst, kind of,
I guess I gotta call itwhiplash. I don't know how else
to call it. But yeah, it was forabout a solid week. And the
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problem was, it was so bad.
People asked like what's wrong?
And I just figured the bestthing is just to just tell the
truth, because I couldn't thinkup anything cool. And I just
said, I thought I hurt my necksleeping. And they were putting
What do you mean, if we're dreamas it? No, I was just sitting up
on the couch. And I started tofall asleep and my head dropped.
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And they're like, that's thewimpiest injury I've ever heard.
So they would be correct. And Ihad to agree with them. But
yeah, that would be the dumbestor the strangest or silliest
way. I've gotten hurt. How aboutyou? Thanks kind of similar. I
got injured sitting. So.
So we lived in New Jersey. Ihad, I was deep into my art
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business. And I had a projectthat was due. And of course I
had, you know, put it off to thelast minute. And so there was a
day that I spent 12 hourssitting in front of my computer
doing art, you brought me food,which isn't abnormal, but you
brought it to me in the room. SoI didn't even have to get up
from the computer.
I mean, I literally got up liketwo or three times to use the
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restroom. And that's it for 12hours. And I was sitting like,
on one of my like one of my legskind of like half cross,
whatever. I was sitting in astrange way. It hurt really bad.
I could not move and get out ofbed for like two days when my
lower back was hurting. Ifinally I like this is no joke.
I went to the chiropractor and Ihad to climb up the stairs to
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their second floor office on myhands and knees like bear crawl
up the stairs because I couldn'tstand upright. It was crazy
town. But they said it'sactually a very common injury
from sitting. So I didn't feel Ididn't feel all alone. Do you
remember you telling me you hadto crawl up the stairs? And I
always thought if I'm at the topof the stairs and I see that
that's horrifying. Yeah. Yeah.
You know, like because I wasgrimacing and grunting too.
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Yeah, yeah. So you're in maybethere's like a little sheen of
sweat because you're working sohard to just think what is
crawling up the stairs like thatwould that would. I wasn't even
there and that image is burnedin my mind and keeps me up at
night sometimes. So I'm justthankful that there wasn't a
small child. Or a very stressedout adult at the top of the
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stairs that had to see thehorrifying image of you bear
crawling, sweaty grunting up thestairs. Yeah. Okay, there we go.
Now, it's floating fancy time.
Now it's floating fancy time.
Okay, there we go. All right,what's floating your fancy?
Well, there's a place up thestreet called level beer, which
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is a very, very small place.
They don't serve any food. Youcan bring your own food in. It's
a very cozy place. You can bringyour kids in here, bring your
dogs in. So there's sometimesdogs just chilling out drinking
water out of a bowl. They onlylevel beers a brewery so they
serve a couple of maybe like 10or 12 different beers. The real
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key for me is how chill andrelaxed it is. They always play
some pretty good music too. Nottoo loud, just kind of in the
background, although I'm all forloud music, but this is a
different vibe. But they haveand I've never been into pinball
machines. They have what fivepinball machines? And like three
arcade games. That's it. So it'snot much but it's more than they
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used to have. They're growing.
Yeah, I think they've added apinball machine but I've never
been into pinball. But forwhatever reason, the idea of
having a cold one and playingpinball in a very chill
environment is what's beenfloating my fancy and we went
last night. And it was hilariousbecause you know, Tammy plays
pinball less than I do becauseneither one of us play pinball.
And yeah, it was funny watchingyou play because I don't know
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how else to put this You'reterrible. And it was just
cracking me up. But that thatthat's floating my fancy right
now. It's going up playing alittle pinball good music in the
background having a beer too.
And then that's it. That's all Ineed to float my fancy. Level
beer, Multnomah village.
Speaking of which we wereLast night, and we invited our
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youngest to come up with us. Andshe did. And we hung out and we
play games together. And it wassuper, super fun. And it gave us
kind of a glimpse, I think intowhat our life might look like in
the fall when we have two kidsaway at college. Yes, yes. It
was a great time. And it made mefeel like okay, we got this next
year is going to be okay. Yeah,yeah. Okay, what's floating your
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fancy, Tammy? Hey, what'sfloating my fancy is survivor
season 44. So this is a showthat I was talking about. When I
said I sat on the cloud, or whenI sat on the couch all day last
Friday, I binged season 44. Andit was so good. And it renewed
my desire to apply for the show.
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So I think I'm going to applyfor a future season.
Yeah, this comes about I'd say,every two years or so. Were you
seriously consider trying outfor Survivor. The one thing
though, that you told me whichis I think kind of changed a
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little bit is how intense peopleget now training for Survivor
because I thought one of the funthings in the past was the fact
that these are like everydaypeople showing up. And now it's
getting it's like people aregetting into the puzzles are
getting into the strategy.
They're getting into thephysical training, the the
mental and mindful calcium youneed to have because this is
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this is tough. So do you thinkTammie would be good? In a
season? 45? Or 46? Or 47? Or wasyour sweet spot like season? 21?
Season Seven? Season 14? Do youthink you can you can do what it
takes to thrive in a season 45?
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Well, season 45 has already beenfilmed. But yes, and it is
interesting because when I toldour daughter that I was gonna
apply, she was like You betterhurry up mom, because people are
getting so good. You got to getin now before it's too late. So
like she even kind of had thesame kind of thinking. Now, I
will tell you this. It waseither after the first or second
season of Survivor, I decidedthat I wanted to apply. I told
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my grandparents who were aliveat the time, I feel like I was
at their house. And I startedthe application process. But
there was a question on thereabout like, do you have tattoos
or something? And I was like,Oh, shit. I was in my mid 20s or
young 20s. And I did have atattoo or two, but I hadn't told
my mom. And so I was scared togo on survivor, because I
thought if she sees my tattoos,she'll be so disappointed. I'll
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be this whole thing. And so Iactually that's what kept me
from applying way back then.
She's, but now I think I'mready. I'm think I'm like really
ready to do it. Is that becauseyour mom now knows you have
tattoos? She still doesn't know.
But now I don't give a shit.
Okay, there you go. All right.
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I think you'd be great. I thinkyou'd be really, I think the
puzzles obviously, you'd beamazing at. I think the strategy
you'd be very good at. And Ithink the kind of mental
endurance you need. I thinkyou'd be fine. I think you'd
have a couple epic episodesthere where you lose your mind.
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Which would make you I think acrowd favorites. I think you'd
rally. But I think there'd besome really cool epic meltdowns.
You know, what do you mean bythat? Like crying? I don't
really know. I think just, youknow, I'd love to see how you
would handle like backstabbingand people you trusted. That
kind of threw you under the bus.
I'd also love to see if like youhad it in you to throw someone
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else under the bus, you know,and maybe abused that trust.
Because that's, that's somethingthat I don't You're You're such
a honest, trustworthy person.
It'll be interesting to see youhave the excuse to go sinister.
So, yeah, I think it'd be a lotof fun and terrifying to watch,
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you know, but a lot of fun.
Yeah, go for it. And how long doyou have to be away? It's either
45 or 54 days? Oh, yes,definitely go.
Okay, what's on deck? What'scoming up for you the next week?
I got two big things. One isNike outdoor nationals, which is
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the high school track and fieldnational championships is in
Eugene, Oregon. So I'm going tohave to go there to do some
events for that. High schoollevels, my favorite level. So I
love being around that age groupand seeing them compete. And
and, you know, like we said,it's an unbelievable community.
And there's a lot of coaches Iget to see. So I'm excited about
going to Eugene for that thatstarts I believe on Thursday.
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And also on Thursday, drumroll.
Coach Bennett's podcast willofficially be dropped. So if
you're interested which Howcould you not be interested?
Come on. Coach Bennett's podcastasked will be launched this
Thursday. Hopefully everywherethat you listen to podcasts, you
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know, that's not up to me.
That's up to the different siteslike Apple and Spotify and
Google okaying it but I feelpretty confident that they
should. They should be up therefor the most part this Thursday,
which is really cool. Which bythe way means every Tuesday, you
get a to coach Bennett's talkingpodcast. Wednesday, you get a
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brand new show up societypodcast. And then Thursday, you
get a coach Bennett's podcastthree days in a row, your three
favorite podcasts. So that'swhat's coming up for me. So
exciting. And we'll put the linkto your new podcast in the show
notes. If it's up. Well, yousaid it's going to be up
Thursday. But this comes out onTuesday, two days before it. So
(40:49):
in the show, how are peoplegonna find it?
They're gonna have to justliterally search for Coach
pendants podcast, or they can goto your Instagram, probably and
you're probably going to belinking it. Yes, that's true,
too. I guess we could put it upin the show notes. Maybe it pops
up early. We'll see. Who knows.
Anyway, it's happening. How coolis that? Okay. Our shoes I had
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no, I was about to do a southernaccent and then I still think
went British or Australian. Idon't know what was happening
there. I don't know whathappened anyway. Okay, what's
coming up with you? Not veryexciting compared to yours?
At all?
Wow.
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Hmm. Well, I'm going to begetting my 7000 steps a day
again, because I've realized howsedentary I am, things to this
Garmin watch I'm wearing now.
Okay, so that's a little, youknow, life adjustment. And I
mean, for you what a 7000 Stepsend up being like, how much
distance do you have to travel?
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Or how much time does it take?
Do you think? I don't know. Ilike I looked it up. And they
say for women. It's about threemiles. But I don't know. I
haven't calculated it yet. I'vejust been looking at the steps
but I haven't been equatingitself mileage or whatever, or
minutes. I know, it's a lot morethan I've been doing. Okay. So
fair enough. Yeah. Every day.
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7000 steps a day. Yes. That's myseven 7k For seven. So that is
that kind of the theme, like7007 days a week for 49,000. And
if you're really getting afterit, it's 50. Oh, neat. I like
it. Yeah, there should be like abonus. Like if you hit 50. Maybe
the reward is doing the stepsand themselves. Oh, that's
(42:35):
powerful. Huh? Yeah, that'sabout it. I might do a beach
day. I have a lot of mail tosend out. So I like the idea of
sending mail very, very much. Ihad a I had a stationery
business for God's sakes. Youthe actual act of writing and
finding a stamp and finding theaddress is a lot. Yeah, it is.
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It is. But it's worth it. It's aworthy, worthy cause. Worthy
work. Yeah. So that's it. Cool.
That's great. Okay. And we're atthe end of the road, like if I'm
not mistaken. This is how we endour episodes. Right? I'm getting
better.
Good job. There we go. Okay, soall we got to do is say See you
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later and thanks for coming.
Alligator, right after wildcrocodile. There you go. So,
thank you. This was a blast. Asalways. Thank you to the
listener for listening.
Come back next week. We'll behere. Yeah. And if you haven't
subscribed, subscribe. Come on,you know, give us a good review
to especially if we deserve it.
And if we don't deserve it, butyou gave us a good review that
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will give us something to liveup to. There we go. I'm done.
All right. Thank you. Bye. Byebye. Or I should say we do a
southern accent. See, like, Ican't do it. I'm stuck in
Australia. Suddenly I can't doit. So no, that's English. Boy.
Now you see. Oh my gosh, we gotto embrace. Alright, everyone.
Bye.
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Tammie on the show up societypodcast
Welcome to the to coach Bennett's talking Podcast. I'm
Coach Tammie Bennett. And I'mCoach Chris Bennett. This is
where we talk about anything wewant.
Anything we want, like movies ormusic, running, not running life
and what gets us excited.
Fantasy and sci fi books? No,we're not talking about that.
(00:29):
All right, well, we'll talkabout everything but fantasy and
sci fi books. So sit back orkeep moving because it's time to
start talking.
This is episode six of to coachBennett's talking. And what are
we talking about? Greatquestion. We're talking about
the power of community and theessential need for all of us to
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be a part of one. We've got ourpetty grievances. Can anyone say
fake Southern accents? Theworst? At least according to
Tammie, they are. We answer agreat question about what was
the dumbest way we ever gotinjured? We talked pinball
machines. We talked the Miamirunning community. And we talked
about so much more. So let's getstarted.
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Hello, Coach, how are you doing?
So good. I'm so good to hearthat you're doing so good. How
was your week? Ah, you know, Iactually got a lot for you. My
Week was great. I visited Miamifor the first time ever, which
was shocking to me, actually,when I had told people that I'd
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never been to Miami before I hadto pause a little bit and think
later, is that true? Becausesomehow I'd never been to Miami.
So I was in Miami for globalRunning Day, which was a
fantastic experience. I thinkwe're going to talk about that
more later. I think so too. Ithink so to tell me a little bit
about your week. How have youbeen? What have you been up to?
(02:01):
Um, I said on the last podcastthat I was planning on going to
the beach and I did not go tothe beach. Woof. I got overtaken
with a sense of laziness, and Iparked myself on the couch and I
binged some TV, which I'll talkabout later. Okay. I don't see
anything wrong with that. Yeah,I there was nothing wrong with
that. Sometimes you just stillthere right? Still there. Okay,
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areyou planning on going sometime
soon, though? I hope Yes. I'mnot going to jinx it and say
what day? Okay, fair enough. Youbelieve in jinxes? Mm hmm. Okay.
I'm not totally sold on jinxes.
I'm not either. It was just funto say that word is a good word.
What word is that? Gene Jinx.
Ah, no. Yeah, it was before youI was before you know. All
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right, well, we'll have to go tothe listeners and see who won
that battle. And then whoeverlost can't speak until
obviously, they're allowed outof the jinx prison. But you're
editing the podcast so you canactually change what voice was
heard first in the editingprocess. So it's not really fair
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at all. I think you know that.
I'm not one. I'm not that goodat editing yet. And two. I also
have a little bit of some slothinside me and I'm not going to
bother with that nonsense. Okay.
What are we talking about today?
Well, it's actually each onewith the meat and taters. Yeah.
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Okay, well, the meat and tatersare is inspired by my trip to
Miami. And it's really justabout the absolute necessity.
The importance of having a greatcommunity in your life, whatever
that may be. It could be acommunity of 800 people, it
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could be a community of threepeople. It could be a community
of two, somewhere in between.
It's just having community andhow important it is and
different ways that can show up.
Because I went down to Miami, Iwas invited by Frankie Ruiz, who
I feel is like the mayor ofMiami running to take part in a
couple of global Running Dayevents. And the first night at a
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run that he's been doing foryears and years and years, every
Tuesday night and the Burchillarea of Miami had over 100
people come out to it.
And they were so awesome. Andyou know what it's like when you
get around, especially withrunners, but really any really
good community, how welcomingthey were, how friendly they
were, how you feel like you cantake on the world when you have
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these people in front of you andto the left and right of you and
behind you. And it was such awonderful experience. It was
such a high, you know, andcoming back from Miami, we spoke
about it and I'll tell you what,one of the first communities I
thought of, for whatever reasonwas actually the group of middle
school girls you coached a fewyears ago. Do you remember this?
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You had this incredible grouphave girls running track. And to
me watching how they competedand how they worked with each
other, and just the general vibeof that collection of girls that
to me that I was thinking,that's a great community. And I
wanted to ask you about that,like, how did that get built?
(05:19):
Because to me, that's, that isalways like exhibit a when I'm
thinking of a really powerful,positive community. Yeah, well,
I think, to me, some of thepillars of having a great
community and this this shows upin my coaching, whether it be
coaching runners or coaching,you know, life coaching groups,
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is that you have to normalizeand welcome the wins, and the
losses, the feels, the setbacks,you have to normalize, wanting
to be good, you have tonormalize being good. And so I
think that that's what I alwaystried to show in my groups, and
especially with those youngrunners is, we are here to kick
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ass. And we are here to dancearound and play and make funny
videos on the infield. And weare here to have workouts where
we feel like shit, and we don'tlet it get us down. We're just
like, oh, man, that was a toughone. I felt like crap today. And
we just celebrate it because weif it if we normalize that some
days, you're gonna feel likecrap. It you don't you can't
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make it be that something'swrong with you, which is like
humans have the tendency whensomething's going wrong, we make
it be that it's our fault, orthat we're doing something
wrong. But when you see all theother people in the group have
had that experience thatsometimes, then you don't turn
it against yourself. You're justlike, oh, this is normal, like
it's normal to have a bad daysometimes. And then you don't
feel so alone. And I just, Ithink that's just fostering that
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in a group is what creates thatcommunity. So in a way, I'm
hearing and I agree beyond, canyou go beyond 100%? When you
agree with something? I think sowell, if you can't, then I
agree. 100%. But if you can Iagree more than 100%. That
you're it's important. If youwant a strong community to
create a place where it's safeto do all of those things that
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you said, right, like it's safeto fail, but it's also safe to
say I want to win. And it's alsosafe to say I need some help.
It's also safe to, you know,like you said dance and have fun
and also be serious if you wantto it's just it's a place to be
safe with whatever you'rebringing to the table that day.
Yeah, and I want to emphasizeWell, I mean, they're, they're
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so important all the ends of thespectrum, the winning and the
the loss, the loss and thelosing.
But I it was something that Ilearned when I coached with the
power men Track Club, they havea youth group.
And a lot of their professionalrunners would show up, sometimes
they helped coach a little bit,sometimes they showed up to hang
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out. But I remember when theycame with a world championship
medal to show the kids, andthere was something so cool
about normalizing that you canwin medals. Maybe you might not
be after a world championshipmedal, maybe your medal is going
to be in the local road race ora rec league or who knows what,
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but just normalizing medals. Andthen Colleen Quigley and Shalane
were part of this at the time,and they were both stating big
goals they had for themselves.
And they were saying them beforethey achieve them and telling
the world what they wanted todo. And I thought that was so
powerful for these young girlsand the and the guys too, but to
just see people saying, I wantto do something really big, and
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I'm not scared to tell you and Imight not do it. But I'm gonna
give it my all and trying andit's I might not do it. But I'm
still going to just stand outhere and profess loudly what I
want to do. And I think there'ssomething so powerful about
seeing that and normalizing thatyou can have big goals and that
you can state them out loud,even if you might not achieve
them was so cool.
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Yeah, and the other thing, whichI'd be interested to hear why
you think this was the case, butI during this, you know watching
these, these meats because wehad kids on the middle school
team, I got to be a fan and nota coach, which was a lot of fun
for me. I just got to hang outon the backstretch and really
pay attention and really seethings that I don't normally get
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to see, as a coach. It seemed tome that this group that was
wildly successful, like wildlysuccessful, but they also seemed
like they were having more funthan anybody else. And it was to
me, I loved that part. BecauseI've always thought that
sometimes people think like, wegotta sacrifice one, like, if
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you're having fun, then you'renot gonna win or if you're
winning, you can also have funand I was like this is beat Matt
to crap because the people thatare having the most fun are also
really successful. And they alsowere, you know, they wanted to
take themselves seriously. Butat the same time they knew that
this wasFor an awful lot of fun, and
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they were also, which I knowyou've brought up and this would
be the next thing I know, I'masking like nine questions in
one. But the last thing was howimportant it was that they
support each other, and they cancompete with each other. Okay,
so I'm going to sparse out twoseparate questions in there. The
first one is, I think, and bothof us coach this way. And I
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think this way, that having funis an essential part to success.
And I think that that was theatmosphere that I, you know, I
always chose to coach young kidsbecause I wanted to coach kids
that were our kids. I wanted ourkids to grow up in an atmosphere
where running was fun. Becausefor me when I was a child, and
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started early running wasn't funall the time. So because I
wanted to always be around ourkids and be one of their
coaches. I coached young kidsfor 14 years are coached of all
ages for 14 years. But one of mybiggest goals was for them to
know that this was a fun sport,and that it's unsustainable, if
it's not fun. And so it was justas important to me to have them
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doing like the would you call itlike the Patty cake, patty cake,
like kind of things like handjive things, and like filming
Tiktok dances like that part ofpractice was just as important
to me as the really hardworkouts that I gave them.
And it's really funny, becauseyou and I have noticed in one of
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our kids in particular, ifthey're having fun, like while
they're doing the warm ups, andthey're smiling and laughing and
kind of dancing around, we'relike, Oh, it's on, this kid's
gonna have a great race today.
And I just wanted to talk aboutthis former second. Our son, I
remember very specifically, Ithink I even did a podcast
episode about this. But he hisfirst, his first season in
college, he went to a razor inhis first 10k in cross country,
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and I remember being at themeet, and he looked over, and he
smiled and waved during therace. And I was like what is
going on, because that is not atypical occurrence. And he had
his best race ever at the time.
Like at the time, that was hisbest race ever. And I just use
that as an example of when youare having fun, you just perform
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better. And that doesn't meanthat it doesn't hurt. It just
means that you're having funhurting sometimes. And I think
it's you know, we were justwatching NCAA A's and the winner
of the girl from Harvard. It wasat the 5k It was the 1500. Okay.
My Ramsden? Yeah, yes. So in herpost race interview, she said
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that last year, she was takingeverything so seriously, and was
kind of rigid about training andracing. And then it just sort of
took the fun out of it. And soher goal for this year was to
have more fun and more enjoymentand practice and racing. And she
did that. And she won. And it'sjust, you know, I actually had a
parent tell me that they wereupset with a coach for saying,
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you know, go out there and havefun, like, let's just play
around and see what happens. Andthey were so furious. And
they're like, What kind ofadvice is that? And I'm like,
it's the best advice you couldgive. That's what that is.
Because I just believe we bothbelieve that you can play and
have fun while you are pushingyourself and pushing your body
to the limits. And it's justsuch an important part. If you
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want to sustain it, if you wantto sustain this effort. Yeah,
absolutely. I mean, if you can,that's one of the secrets, if
there's anyone out there that'strying to coach kids, or maybe
you're trying to get more out ofyour training. If you can
somehow convince people that thehardest challenges and the
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toughest stuff is fun, thenthere's no end to what you can
get them to do. Like that'sthat's, and that was one of the
things that I always lovedwatching was, I would see these
kids and you'd say, Wow, that'sthey're pulling off some really
amazing things. But they'rehaving fun. And to me, one of
the biggest issues I always hadwith watching how track and
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field and cross country wascoached was the fact that I grew
up playing lots of sports. Andas hard as basketball practice
was, it was fun. Even when wewere getting yelled at by the
coach, basketball was fun. Whenwe were playing baseball,
baseball was fun, no matter howhard the practice was. And for
whatever reason, when track andfield or cross country got hard,
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it ceased being fun when it wasbeing coached the wrong way. It
just, it was just a chore and toyour point, you're never going
to be able to sustain the effortand the passion if it suddenly
is becoming more of a chore thana joy or a release. So but I
have another question for you.
Can I ask you another question?
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Yeah, I had one more thing tosay about that. But we can move
on because it's no no, no, no,no. Do it, do it and then and
then I'll ask you the question.
I just wanted to point out thatfun, does not mean you're not
training hard. So when I firststarted coaching youth, the
coachBefore me, they coach their
youth by playing games likeSharks and Minnows, which is
like a version of tag. And Ididn't do that. I'm like, No,
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we're going to learn the sportof cross country. And we're
going to learn the sport oftrack. We're not going to be
here to play tag. And I treatedthem like real track athletes,
real cross country athletes, wedid real workouts we did hill
repeats fun things like that.
But there were no more games,because I feel like that almost
dumbed it down, that you thinkthat you can only have fun if
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you're playing like games liketag. And so I just I just wanted
to sign doesn't mean that you'renot doing real workouts, you can
do real workouts that are reallychallenging and have them be a
lot of fun. Yes, I agree withthat. Also, if I can go over
100%, it's over 100%. And that,that even goes back to what I
was saying about basketball,right? Like basketball practice.
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We weren't, you know, playing, Iknow that you had a coach that
once made you do Krav soccer asa workout, like that's not a
real workout, like, and to yourpoint, it kind of dumbs it down.
It makes it illegitimate, italmost makes it like the actual
sport is absolutely zero fun.
And if we try to do it for toolong, you're not going to like
it. And if I actually reallyshow it to you, you're going to
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hate it and you're going to runaway. And that's the opposite of
what it should be. It should bethis is fun and challenging
yourself. And going on an easyrun is a way for you to get to
know your teammates and doing agreat interval workout is fun,
because running fast is fun. Andit's scary to run fast. And like
those are the types of thingsthat kids buy into and like, oh,
okay, I do want to go topractice. Just for the same
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reasons I wanted to go tobasketball, and soccer and
baseball because I liked thechallenge of it. I liked the
competition. I liked workinghard because it was fun. And I
wanted to get better. I mean,that was the other reason why
you went to practice, you wentto basketball practice, and you
went to baseball practice overand over again. Because you did
you want it to get better. Forwhatever reason, our sport
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sometimes screws that up,because I think people don't
trust that the sport is actuallyessentially a lot of fun. Yeah,
I just wanted to bring it realquick back to community is that
when you are in somethingtogether, when you are together,
and you get through a toughworkout, and you're panting and
hands over knees and laying onthe ground and sweating your
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head off together that juststrengthens that sense of human
community because you've allsurvived something together. And
I think that's what probably thepeople in Miami are feeling like
after they go for a run. Andit's really hot, or you know, a
tough workout or something, itbonds them even that much more.
And that's what was happeningfor the teams that I coached is
we got through it. And I toldthem what badass as they were
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for getting through this reallytough workout. And they felt
like champs and they did ittogether. And so yeah, just, you
know, bringing it back to thesense of community. I think
that's what strengthens it. Iagree. Totally. And I think
that's, you know, if you asksomeone, you know, define a
great community, I would imaginesomebody in a family feud style
where they got like the topanswers, one of the top two
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answers is either going to besupportive or helpful like that,
like when you when you thinkabout like what makes a great
community. And if you think ofthat no matter what, whether it
was a community of friends, orit's literally your
neighborhood, if you're thinkingabout what makes a great
community, I would imaginealmost everyone is thinking
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it's a community that that helpseach other. And I think that's
kind of what we're getting atinstead of like, you have a
really great team and a teamthat's really supportive of each
other. And they allow you to beyou and they allow you to fail
and they allow you to you know,and they celebrate you when you
do something great. And that'swhat I saw in Miami, I saw this
group that passing each otherthey were saying Good job going
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the opposite way. They weresaying Good job. They were high
fives at the end, there werehugs they were they were people
that noticed people that hadn'tbeen there, in let's say, a
couple of weeks, which is areally good feeling that someone
knows that you weren't there.
And at the same time you havepeople saying, like, Hey, how
did how did the doctor'sappointment go? Or, you know,
how's your calf feeling? Theselittle things have just you
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noticed me, you see me? I'm notinvisible. And I think you know,
and I talked about this with alot of the people there, it
feels really good to help out.
And that's also what a communitydoes. It's not just people
helping you, it's you have theopportunity to help others,
which I think is part of therecipe for a great community.
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Which leads me to my nextquestion. This is amazing how
this worked. I was going to saywhat are the three to four top
doesn't mean that there aren'tmore ingredients to you. Top
three to four ingredients. Ifyou're trying to build a
successful, great community.
On the spot on the spot, you gotto be a chef here. We've made so
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many great communities you haveto know not just what all the
ingredients are. I think thehard part is, I'm asking you to
just name the top three to fourYeah, I mean, I guess
inclusivity like everybodybelongs here. And that touches
on what you were just saying,like, you absolutely belong
here. I think a support and allof the things. So I think
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supporting in the trying likethat you support each other for
making big efforts, and youencourage pickup big efforts,
whether or not that ends in awinning result or a loss or a
fail, because that's what we'rehere for. Because if you can
celebrate the trying, celebratethat you went after it, then
you're going to try more oftenand try more things. Which means
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mathematically, you're going tohave more wins. The more you
try, the more you put yourselfout there. And the more you go
for the shot, or the more you gofor that, you know, PR in the
race, the more times you try,the more wins you're gonna have.
So let's celebrate each otherfor trying no matter what the
outcome is. That's huge. Yeah,PB not PR, but that's okay. We
can we can fix that later. Yeah.
Okay, so go ahead. You got twomore ingredients. I don't know
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if I have two more.
I mean, I think if you'reinclusive, and if you're
supporting each other win, lose,try fail all the things in the
middle. I mean, I, I thinkthat's all there is. I think
each person has to be willing toshow up and to feel safe to show
up. But I think if you're partof supporting and including,
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yeah.
So on the spot, I'm writingabout a loss. Yeah, my loss for
the other two? I think youactually answered it better than
I even expected because you saidI don't need four, I got two.
And maybe that's why you wereable to build so many because it
wasn't complicated. It wasn't.
We need 27 Differentingredients. It's be inclusive
and support each other.
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And those are pretty bigumbrellas, both of those and
they got a lot of stuffunderneath. So nice. Okay. See,
and we talked for probably alittle bit longer than I thought
about this, and you were soefficient with the recipe. Boom.
Perfect. We're back on track. Doyou have anything else to add?
What you would have no.
Community? No. And this is thebenefit of doing something with
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you. Because I don't disagreewith anything you said. And in
fact, I I, I only agree. I thinkas people that are looking for a
community to be a part of Ithink your you want to be
looking for those ingredients.
And if you want to build yourown community, I think it's as
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easy. As Tammie just said, thatbeing said, just because it's
easy, in terms of this is whatyou need. I think the hardest
part is that is what you saidabout the showing up. Like if
you want to build a community,then you're gonna have to be the
one that's always there. So youare including people, until the
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community can kind of do this onits own, you're going to have to
be the one that is supportingpeople, when maybe the community
is not strong enough to besupporting itself. And if we
bring this back to Miami, that'swhy I'm, I'm just so impressed
with what Frankie Ruiz has donein Miami, and so much of it is
because he has shown up yearafter year after year, Tuesday
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after Tuesday, after Tuesday andThursday after Thursday, in so
many different places buildingthis and inclusive, a supportive
environment.
But first, it starts withsomebody showing up and inviting
people to be a part of it. So ifthere is a hard part it is it is
what is always the hard part.
It's consistently showing up. Sothat's the only thing I would
add to it. Yeah, that's sointeresting. I'm just gonna plug
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a future thing of mine sincewe're talking about showing up
in communities his that's thething I'm working on for my big
goal for this year is to have acommunity where people can show
up since my podcast is the showup society. But that is
something that I'm working veryseriously on and putting so much
thought into is to create anonline community where people
can come support each other. Soanyway, just think it's funny
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that you said show up becauseit's my my community is going to
be called the show up society.
So yeah, that's what I'm workingon. There you go full circle.
Okay. Now I usually screw thisup. And I forget what's next.
But can I just guess is itwhat's floating our fancies? No
petty grievance, pettygrievance, we always bring it
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down. That's right before webring it back up. Okay, fine.
All right. Well, do you have apetty grievance? I do. Let's go.
Fake Southern accents. I can'ttake it. So I grew up my whole
life, North Carolina. And Icannot watch shows no matter how
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much I want to I remember like,I think it was The Vampire
Diaries I read or whatever, howmany books it was like 12 books
or something. And then it becamea show and I couldn't get
through a single episode becausethey had one character with the
fakest southern accent and Icouldn't take it. I can't take
it.
So that's it.
You don't want to tell us anymore about what you're probably
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As with them silver accent Oh mygosh, I can't. Is that pretty
close? No. Hey, you need to getyour all changed. I need a new
pair of boots. I love Southernaccents.
Well, I said fake Southernaccents. There's no difference.
Sure. I think fake accents.
crack me up the real accentscrack me up. And I don't think I
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have an accent but the kids makefun of me sometimes when I say
things so, like milk.
I say milk. Yes. The way I saymilk. It looks like it filled
me. Okay, as opposed to milk.
Would you like some milk? Idon't have to roll your owl.
Don't roll your owl. Just let usdrink their milk with your
coffee. Oh, first of all? No,I'd like half and half. But
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secondly, what is milk? Oh mygosh. Seriously. I feel like I
should be like sleeping in acoffin. Milk. Don't worry
listeners. We mock him endlesslyfor the way he pronounces milk.
Yeah, milk anyway. Okay, sothat's your petty. So really
quick, petty grievance minusbecause I was traveling. And you
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know this, it bothers me to noand we had a discussion about
this a couple days ago doesn'tbother you. It drives me insane.
When the plane lands. And we'reat the gate. The door isn't even
open yet on the plane and peopleget into the aisles, especially
when you're in like row 31.
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Dude, what are you doing? Likethere's nowhere to go? Why are
you standing I understand itfeels good to stand. But not
everybody can stand. And on topof that. I love I sit in the
aisle seat. I try to get theaisle seat every single time.
The last thing I need is somedude standing three inches away
from me after he has beensitting in a seat for six
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straight hours. Because his legsache like just give it another
five minutes. And then we'll allget out. Because it gets
complicated. It gets hard to getyour baggage down because the
aisle is jammed. People startpushing up so you're in row 31
Suddenly, the dude standing nextto you in his slightly sweaty
jeans is from like row 34. Andyou're like, Dude, you're not
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even going to be able to getyour bags. It's chaos. So just
relax. sit in your seat. Themovie player still works.
Finished the movie we'rewatching or the show. And just
relax. Settle down. Settle down.
That's my petty grievance. Justsettle down. Stay in your seat.
I'm on Team stand all the way Itotally stand up when the plane
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lands. Oh, it feels so good. AndI love it. If you're late. Fine.
Like I get it tell people likelook, I gotta get to a different
terminal and we're running late.
I, I am with you. 100%. Okay.
But if you are having that muchof an issue with your legs from
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sitting, walk around on theplane, when the pilot takes that
seat belt, you know, sign off,do a couple of laps, go to the
bathroom, you don't even have togo the bathroom, just go in the
bathroom and hang out. You knowwhat I mean? And then you can
leave. That's what I do. I justwalk around, I get up half a
dozen times. And that's why Idon't feel the need to stand in
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the aisle. That's all justrelax. We're not going anywhere
yet. Calm down. All right,that's my petty grievance. It's
petty. I told you it's the nameof this. It's petty grievance.
It's petty. All right, let'sopen the mailbag. And while
we're doing that, we got to senda shout out. Thank you to
Melissa Sears for sending us abox of goodies and can be thank
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you so much, Melissa.
Great, great surprise when wewent to the mailbag. The mailbag
has been a just a ragingsuccess. Yes, yes.
We have the best friends outthere. Yes. And the address is
in the show notes. So if yousend us your questions, first of
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all, so we can answer them onthe podcast. And then if you
want to include any goodies,we'll take those two and we'll
be so grateful. Yes.
Okay, you ready for thequestion? Let's do this as a fun
one. Okay. We've actually gottenthis before we've never answered
it. So we're actually bumpingthis up the list a little bit. I
think this is a hilariousquestion. What is the dumbest or
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strangest injury you've evergotten? I'm gonna go first.
Sure. I got hurt. Sleeping. So Iwas sitting on the couch. And
this was whenI believe we lived in North
Carolina at the time. So wewould have had maybe we had all
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three kids suffice to say I waslacking deep sleep, or
consistent sleep. And I wassitting on the couch and what
would happen every single night?
Very early is I would if I wasreading or if I was one
watching anything, I would justfall asleep. And what happened
was I was sitting up on thecouch, and my head dropped like
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two or three times. So like, youknow, when you fall asleep and
suddenly like your chin justdrops, and it kind of shocks
you. That happened, I think liketwo or three times, the third
time it happened. I knewsomething terrible had just
occurred. And I basically gavemyself whiplash from falling
asleep. Now, so true. The Theonly thing more embarrassing
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than realizing I just reallyhurt my neck was having to tell
Tammy, I just got hurt sleeping.
And I could not turn my neck. Icouldn't turn and look to the
left to the right. for maybe aweek. It was the worst, kind of,
I guess I gotta call itwhiplash. I don't know how else
to call it. But yeah, it was forabout a solid week. And the
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problem was, it was so bad.
People asked like what's wrong?
And I just figured the bestthing is just to just tell the
truth, because I couldn't thinkup anything cool. And I just
said, I thought I hurt my necksleeping. And they were putting
What do you mean, if we're dreamas it? No, I was just sitting up
on the couch. And I started tofall asleep and my head dropped.
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And they're like, that's thewimpiest injury I've ever heard.
So they would be correct. And Ihad to agree with them. But
yeah, that would be the dumbestor the strangest or silliest
way. I've gotten hurt. How aboutyou? Thanks kind of similar. I
got injured sitting. So.
So we lived in New Jersey. Ihad, I was deep into my art
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business. And I had a projectthat was due. And of course I
had, you know, put it off to thelast minute. And so there was a
day that I spent 12 hourssitting in front of my computer
doing art, you brought me food,which isn't abnormal, but you
brought it to me in the room. SoI didn't even have to get up
from the computer.
I mean, I literally got up liketwo or three times to use the
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restroom. And that's it for 12hours. And I was sitting like,
on one of my like one of my legskind of like half cross,
whatever. I was sitting in astrange way. It hurt really bad.
I could not move and get out ofbed for like two days when my
lower back was hurting. Ifinally I like this is no joke.
I went to the chiropractor and Ihad to climb up the stairs to
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their second floor office on myhands and knees like bear crawl
up the stairs because I couldn'tstand upright. It was crazy
town. But they said it'sactually a very common injury
from sitting. So I didn't feel Ididn't feel all alone. Do you
remember you telling me you hadto crawl up the stairs? And I
always thought if I'm at the topof the stairs and I see that
that's horrifying. Yeah. Yeah.
You know, like because I wasgrimacing and grunting too.
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Yeah, yeah. So you're in maybethere's like a little sheen of
sweat because you're working sohard to just think what is
crawling up the stairs like thatwould that would. I wasn't even
there and that image is burnedin my mind and keeps me up at
night sometimes. So I'm justthankful that there wasn't a
small child. Or a very stressedout adult at the top of the
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stairs that had to see thehorrifying image of you bear
crawling, sweaty grunting up thestairs. Yeah. Okay, there we go.
Now, it's floating fancy time.
Now it's floating fancy time.
Okay, there we go. All right,what's floating your fancy?
Well, there's a place up thestreet called level beer, which
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is a very, very small place.
They don't serve any food. Youcan bring your own food in. It's
a very cozy place. You can bringyour kids in here, bring your
dogs in. So there's sometimesdogs just chilling out drinking
water out of a bowl. They onlylevel beers a brewery so they
serve a couple of maybe like 10or 12 different beers. The real
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key for me is how chill andrelaxed it is. They always play
some pretty good music too. Nottoo loud, just kind of in the
background, although I'm all forloud music, but this is a
different vibe. But they haveand I've never been into pinball
machines. They have what fivepinball machines? And like three
arcade games. That's it. So it'snot much but it's more than they
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used to have. They're growing.
Yeah, I think they've added apinball machine but I've never
been into pinball. But forwhatever reason, the idea of
having a cold one and playingpinball in a very chill
environment is what's beenfloating my fancy and we went
last night. And it was hilariousbecause you know, Tammy plays
pinball less than I do becauseneither one of us play pinball.
And yeah, it was funny watchingyou play because I don't know
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how else to put this You'reterrible. And it was just
cracking me up. But that thatthat's floating my fancy right
now. It's going up playing alittle pinball good music in the
background having a beer too.
And then that's it. That's all Ineed to float my fancy. Level
beer, Multnomah village.
Speaking of which we wereLast night, and we invited our
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youngest to come up with us. Andshe did. And we hung out and we
play games together. And it wassuper, super fun. And it gave us
kind of a glimpse, I think intowhat our life might look like in
the fall when we have two kidsaway at college. Yes, yes. It
was a great time. And it made mefeel like okay, we got this next
year is going to be okay. Yeah,yeah. Okay, what's floating your
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fancy, Tammy? Hey, what'sfloating my fancy is survivor
season 44. So this is a showthat I was talking about. When I
said I sat on the cloud, or whenI sat on the couch all day last
Friday, I binged season 44. Andit was so good. And it renewed
my desire to apply for the show.
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So I think I'm going to applyfor a future season.
Yeah, this comes about I'd say,every two years or so. Were you
seriously consider trying outfor Survivor. The one thing
though, that you told me whichis I think kind of changed a
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little bit is how intense peopleget now training for Survivor
because I thought one of the funthings in the past was the fact
that these are like everydaypeople showing up. And now it's
getting it's like people aregetting into the puzzles are
getting into the strategy.
They're getting into thephysical training, the the
mental and mindful calcium youneed to have because this is
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this is tough. So do you thinkTammie would be good? In a
season? 45? Or 46? Or 47? Or wasyour sweet spot like season? 21?
Season Seven? Season 14? Do youthink you can you can do what it
takes to thrive in a season 45?
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Well, season 45 has already beenfilmed. But yes, and it is
interesting because when I toldour daughter that I was gonna
apply, she was like You betterhurry up mom, because people are
getting so good. You got to getin now before it's too late. So
like she even kind of had thesame kind of thinking. Now, I
will tell you this. It waseither after the first or second
season of Survivor, I decidedthat I wanted to apply. I told
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my grandparents who were aliveat the time, I feel like I was
at their house. And I startedthe application process. But
there was a question on thereabout like, do you have tattoos
or something? And I was like,Oh, shit. I was in my mid 20s or
young 20s. And I did have atattoo or two, but I hadn't told
my mom. And so I was scared togo on survivor, because I
thought if she sees my tattoos,she'll be so disappointed. I'll
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be this whole thing. And so Iactually that's what kept me
from applying way back then.
She's, but now I think I'mready. I'm think I'm like really
ready to do it. Is that becauseyour mom now knows you have
tattoos? She still doesn't know.
But now I don't give a shit.
Okay, there you go. All right.
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I think you'd be great. I thinkyou'd be really, I think the
puzzles obviously, you'd beamazing at. I think the strategy
you'd be very good at. And Ithink the kind of mental
endurance you need. I thinkyou'd be fine. I think you'd
have a couple epic episodesthere where you lose your mind.
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Which would make you I think acrowd favorites. I think you'd
rally. But I think there'd besome really cool epic meltdowns.
You know, what do you mean bythat? Like crying? I don't
really know. I think just, youknow, I'd love to see how you
would handle like backstabbingand people you trusted. That
kind of threw you under the bus.
I'd also love to see if like youhad it in you to throw someone
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else under the bus, you know,and maybe abused that trust.
Because that's, that's somethingthat I don't You're You're such
a honest, trustworthy person.
It'll be interesting to see youhave the excuse to go sinister.
So, yeah, I think it'd be a lotof fun and terrifying to watch,
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you know, but a lot of fun.
Yeah, go for it. And how long doyou have to be away? It's either
45 or 54 days? Oh, yes,definitely go.
Okay, what's on deck? What'scoming up for you the next week?
I got two big things. One isNike outdoor nationals, which is
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the high school track and fieldnational championships is in
Eugene, Oregon. So I'm going tohave to go there to do some
events for that. High schoollevels, my favorite level. So I
love being around that age groupand seeing them compete. And
and, you know, like we said,it's an unbelievable community.
And there's a lot of coaches Iget to see. So I'm excited about
going to Eugene for that thatstarts I believe on Thursday.
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And also on Thursday, drumroll.
Coach Bennett's podcast willofficially be dropped. So if
you're interested which Howcould you not be interested?
Come on. Coach Bennett's podcastasked will be launched this
Thursday. Hopefully everywherethat you listen to podcasts, you
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know, that's not up to me.
That's up to the different siteslike Apple and Spotify and
Google okaying it but I feelpretty confident that they
should. They should be up therefor the most part this Thursday,
which is really cool. Which bythe way means every Tuesday, you
get a to coach Bennett's talkingpodcast. Wednesday, you get a
(40:25):
brand new show up societypodcast. And then Thursday, you
get a coach Bennett's podcastthree days in a row, your three
favorite podcasts. So that'swhat's coming up for me. So
exciting. And we'll put the linkto your new podcast in the show
notes. If it's up. Well, yousaid it's going to be up
Thursday. But this comes out onTuesday, two days before it. So
(40:49):
in the show, how are peoplegonna find it?
They're gonna have to justliterally search for Coach
pendants podcast, or they can goto your Instagram, probably and
you're probably going to belinking it. Yes, that's true,
too. I guess we could put it upin the show notes. Maybe it pops
up early. We'll see. Who knows.
Anyway, it's happening. How coolis that? Okay. Our shoes I had
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no, I was about to do a southernaccent and then I still think
went British or Australian. Idon't know what was happening
there. I don't know whathappened anyway. Okay, what's
coming up with you? Not veryexciting compared to yours?
At all?
Wow.
(41:30):
Hmm. Well, I'm going to begetting my 7000 steps a day
again, because I've realized howsedentary I am, things to this
Garmin watch I'm wearing now.
Okay, so that's a little, youknow, life adjustment. And I
mean, for you what a 7000 Stepsend up being like, how much
distance do you have to travel?
(41:51):
Or how much time does it take?
Do you think? I don't know. Ilike I looked it up. And they
say for women. It's about threemiles. But I don't know. I
haven't calculated it yet. I'vejust been looking at the steps
but I haven't been equatingitself mileage or whatever, or
minutes. I know, it's a lot morethan I've been doing. Okay. So
fair enough. Yeah. Every day.
(42:13):
7000 steps a day. Yes. That's myseven 7k For seven. So that is
that kind of the theme, like7007 days a week for 49,000. And
if you're really getting afterit, it's 50. Oh, neat. I like
it. Yeah, there should be like abonus. Like if you hit 50. Maybe
the reward is doing the stepsand themselves. Oh, that's
(42:35):
powerful. Huh? Yeah, that'sabout it. I might do a beach
day. I have a lot of mail tosend out. So I like the idea of
sending mail very, very much. Ihad a I had a stationery
business for God's sakes. Youthe actual act of writing and
finding a stamp and finding theaddress is a lot. Yeah, it is.
(42:58):
It is. But it's worth it. It's aworthy, worthy cause. Worthy
work. Yeah. So that's it. Cool.
That's great. Okay. And we're atthe end of the road, like if I'm
not mistaken. This is how we endour episodes. Right? I'm getting
better.
Good job. There we go. Okay, soall we got to do is say See you
(43:18):
later and thanks for coming.
Alligator, right after wildcrocodile. There you go. So,
thank you. This was a blast. Asalways. Thank you to the
listener for listening.
Come back next week. We'll behere. Yeah. And if you haven't
subscribed, subscribe. Come on,you know, give us a good review
to especially if we deserve it.
And if we don't deserve it, butyou gave us a good review that
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will give us something to liveup to. There we go. I'm done.
All right. Thank you. Bye. Byebye. Or I should say we do a
southern accent. See, like, Ican't do it. I'm stuck in
Australia. Suddenly I can't doit. So no, that's English. Boy.
Now you see. Oh my gosh, we gotto embrace. Alright, everyone.
Bye.
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