Badge and Burden: The Real Conversations Police Aren't Having

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Speaker 1 (00:35):
Disclaimer.
Thank you for listening.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
What is going on, everybody, as you can see, we do
not have our beautiful babyface, Eric Levine, with us this
evening, but we do have a coupleof special guests and, as
always, we have Alan.
He'll be working in thebackground tonight.
I appreciate you being here,alan, and we have a new guest
tonight.
Uh, that's nick and nick.
If you just take a second justto let our uh, let our people

(01:13):
know who you're, who you are,where you come from, and then,
jared, we'll go with you allright.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Hey, uh, what's going on guys?
Nick from south florida, themiami area.
Uh, 18 years in law enforcement, currently active.
I also have a youtube channel,nick off duty.
We got about 200 000subscribers.
I travel around the nationdoing a show that's like cops
but by a cop and I kind of tella little story about the

(01:42):
background and how police work.
Uh works while we're out thereon the ride along and uh
recently just started a uhpolice recruiting app where
we're gonna change the nation ina way that law enforcement
agencies recruit around thenation.
So it's a little bit about meand uh happy to be here that's

(02:02):
freaking outstanding, andeverybody I've checked out this
app.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Matter of fact, nick shared that with me.
What nick doesn't know is I sawit a few days ago when he
dropped it, uh, because I'm oneof those, uh, one of those fans
for his channel.
So I was already uh in tune towhat it is and thought that this
was one of the best thingssince sliced bread.
So thank you for uh, for forcreating this thing, man, and
getting other smart folks onwith you to make this thing

(02:26):
freaking happen.
It's outstanding, and thank youvery much, nick for being with
us, and Jared, for those of usthat are tuning in for the first
time.
If you don't mind giving alittle bit of your background.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Yeah, so I've been on a handful of times.
Hi, mr Billfold, I saw yourcomment.
I appreciate you.
My name is Jared.
I've been on was with PD forabout 15 years, was with the
Federal Tribal Nation in Arizonaand now I work in the tech
world.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Same as me.
Thank you, jared.
I appreciate it, and let's seewho we got over here in the
comments real quick.
I might need Alan to highlightsome of these, because I'm just
in a regular login tonight soit's hard for me to scroll on
this thing.
I know we have Mr Biltfold here.
Somebody said Mr Biltfold.
I think I saw Coco here.
She's here tonight.
We got Michelle Jones.

(03:16):
We got Eric's mom here tonight.
Thanks, mom, for being here.
Let's see Whose comment did youjust put up there?
Harrison Brock.
So this is what you know.
This is awesome man.
So Harrison Brock just gifted10 more membership and we're

(03:38):
trying to get a dude namedMarine Blood to see if he gets
one, and I truly think it's inhis settings on why he hasn't
gotten one yet.
These guys are awesome man.
They'll buy into thesememberships and give people
memberships to our show.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
And hopefully these are all new ones that are
getting it.
Let's see I love it man.
This is all new to me.
Oh yeah, I'm not into the livestream stuff, but I appreciate
it.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
And it was, you know, a year ago.
It was new to us as well and,of course, it was light in the
beginning, but we have or Ishould say they have assembled
themselves to come in here asviewers to be a part of this,
and it's a melting pot, man.
It's law enforcement.
We've got attorneys, so manypeople that get over here and
comment it's our frigging world,it's our freaking world, it's

(04:25):
freaking amazing.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
What do we got here?

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Is that the next page on there?

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, got a couple of Father's Day posts up there.
That's my IG.
Is that the one I shared withyou?

Speaker 2 (04:40):
I think it is Pull that back up, Alan.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
I shared the Facebook page.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
You're muted, Alan.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
I was trying to verify it and make sure it was
the right one, and then I put iton the main page.
Is this the right one?

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well, that's the Instagram.

Speaker 5 (04:59):
Okay, which one did you want everybody to see?

Speaker 3 (05:02):
No, it's whatever you want to share All of them.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
Huh yeah, Even the plugs, All of them huh.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yeah, even the plugs.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
All the plugs.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Show my only friends Got it Got it.

Speaker 5 (05:15):
That's the biggest thing we try to do is spread the
love and bring in everybody,get everybody used to what we're
doing.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, so I go by the handle Nick off-duty.
I'm pretty much tick tockInstagram, facebook and YouTube.
Youtube's my big dog.
I said about 200,000subscribers and all together
about 400, and it's just.
The mission is, you know, tellthe story of law enforcement and

(05:45):
try to educate along the wayand entertain.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
That's outstanding, man Outstanding.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
It's hard to tell which one you are when you have
a hat on, because you without ahat, it looks a little different
.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
You know I'll put a hat on right now, I'm just
joking.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Let's, let's grab one of his short IG reels, throw it
up there real quick, so we cankind of show Nick's flavor.
Okay.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Y'all keep talking.
Does it play with?

Speaker 2 (06:14):
audio.
Yeah, it should play with audio.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
There's actually an Operation Fafo one.
I think I have it pinned in thetop.
Operation Fafo went out withthe Florida Highway Patrol where
they did a street takeover,operation Fafo, which was
amazing, and Fafo stood for Fastand Furious Operations Genius.
So we went out, yeah we went outthat night, had some intel

(06:40):
there was going to be somestreet takeovers and they
actually were doing it out oflike a little drag area, so we
were able to quarantine them.
And it was a lot of fun thatnight and got a couple arrests,
couple stolen vehicle recoveries, a couple firearms how did
somebody run a taser dischargeso it was all fun, it was all
good stuff and hopefully a lotof uh education, these young

(07:01):
bucks that are out therewatching their peers do this man
and seeing how that one.
Yeah, no, right there, that thatone right there see if we can
pull that sound up yeah, thesound is yeah, he'll get it.
He'll get it restarted here man.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
I wish I could have been there when whoever pitched
to the commander what theoperation was named.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
That's FHP.
They got a giant set of cojones.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
So we say obviously Can you all hear the sound?
No, sir, no Well, I don't know.
Oh, there it is.
I'll get it reset.
As soon as you identify arunner, you get the opportunity.

(08:00):
That thing needs to end just asit started.
I have the expectation thateverybody should be in a pair of
handcuffs.
Tonight we come for you, wecome for you.

Speaker 6 (08:26):
We come for you.
We come for you.
We come for you.
We come for you.

Speaker 8 (08:38):
The races are officially f***ed.
Boys, F*** this s***.
I'm just gonna stay here.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
No more, no more, no more, no more, no more, no more,
no more, no more, no more,no***.
This s***, I'm just gonna stayhere.
Everybody's going to jail.
We're gonna come out everynight.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
As soon as you identify a runner, you get yep,
so that's the trailer that's thestuff I missed.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Yeah, yeah, that's a trailer of the uh.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
The long version that's playing on YouTube.
It's about uh, I think it'slike a 15 to 17 minute episode
that's awesome man awesomenessthat is awesome.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Let's see.
I think Mr Belfold is.
Let's see.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
I'm not sure where he went with this comment.
I'm a little concerned.
So he's talking about when?

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, it was Beat it when they had the knives and
they were holding hands and theyhad the knives up there.
So that's what he's talkingabout.

Speaker 7 (09:46):
Oh, okay.
No, I'm in Florida.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
That might be in California.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
Harrison Brock.
Thank you for all yourbehind-the-scenes help.
Appreciate that Absolutely.
And Patrick Treelove I sit withAlan.
He said something we love, solook at that Absolutely.
And Patrick Treelove I sit withAlan.
He said something we love, solook at that.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Alan has got a shirt on tonight, so that's.

Speaker 7 (10:13):
Yeah, there's no, there's no Hi.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
But I will say you guys need to do a better job of
liking our shows and things likethat, because just me being on
there without a shirt got morelikes than most of the time.
So you guys need to step it upand if you like what we're doing
, go hit the like and subscribebutton and join us so we can
bring on more guests I was.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Uh, I was thinking you may have went live on the
wrong platform and had somequestions for you, but I
realized it was.
It was a.
It was just a mistake.
Just a mistake.
My phone went nuts that day, ina funny way.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
I agree, ccg and that's a was some creepy music.
It needed to be like a wholerec video, best recs.
Those can go a whole differentdirection, though, man.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Hey, Nina, thank you for joining us tonight.
That's coming off my LinkedInthere.
Got my LinkedIn on here.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
All right, man.
So one of the things you'llnotice, guys, is so if they came
from your page, it'll actuallypop up and show whose page it
came from, if it's not somebodythat normally watches, right?
So I want to thank all thoseguests that are coming in,
following, following you.
Guys Appreciate that very much.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Hey, alan, if you're good with it, man, let's, let's.
What do we get for the first,first video?
Let's see here, all right, whatwe try to do.
Nick, since you're the firstone on this, I try not to read
the frigging description of it.
Watch this as a quick video and, as I was saying before'll just

(12:04):
be.
We'll be neutral at the end andlet somebody else talk about it
.

Speaker 6 (12:07):
But, alan, after you, brother all right well, it's
really kind of hard to hard toknow what's going on, right now
All right.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Well, it's really kind of hard to know what's
going on right now.
Obviously, he had an object inhis hand.
It looked like a gun justcatching out of the.
I was looking at the room tothe right as soon as that
happened.
Nick, what did you see beforewe paused it there?

Speaker 3 (12:40):
I'm trying to figure out what's happening.
Yeah, same here I don't knowthe circumstances of the call.
Obviously this lady's leadingthem into something, so who
knows what it was, but the placelooks like a wreck.

Speaker 5 (12:55):
What's your mindset when you go into a call like
that?
So you're going to you know I'massuming an apartment complex,
you're following some lady.
Generally you're going to havemore information, of course, but
if you just you know all thosecalls that you've taken,
apartment complexes have adifferent.
I have a different mentalitywhen I'm responding to an
apartment complex versus aresidence.

(13:16):
Can you talk about that alittle bit, nick?

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Well, again, off rip I'm going to.
I don't know what we'refollowing this lady in for.
So I'm going to.
Before I follow her in anywhere, I'm going to ask her a slew of
questions as to you know what'sgoing on In this case.
She might have been leading himto this guy.
Who knows what?
This guy maybe a DB, possibly aDB.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
Who knows?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
So at this point, apartments't apartments like
that, it's close quarters.
I don't like, if I don't, Icall everybody out if I can.
It's just too small.
Like if you look, like you said, immediately as you came in you
saw to the right it looked likea kitchen and knives and things
like that.
In there it's like let's, let'stalk outside.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
I don't know I mean we were, you know, just just cop
, you know just regular, evenmilitary minded, just anybody
with training, walk.
I mean you're walking in thatfatal funnel.
We're walking pretty slowly towherever this uh, to the, to the
issue or argument or whateverthis is.
I mean, just like you, it'severy one of these videos I
watch it it's like where's.

(14:25):
I want more context before Ican give, uh, an educated spiel
on this.
It is tough and I kind of likeit as well, cause it's cold.
It's kind of like you're thatbackup officer that got 10, 90
or you know whatever your codeis to get you sent somewhere
else from a different prioritycall to this one And're rolling
in last minute.
You didn't have time to readyour, you read your mdt notes

(14:46):
and you're getting there andyou're trying to just use all
your senses and freaking, uh,figure out what's going on.
And that's that's why I kind oflook at these when we open them
and it seems like the shit hitsthe fan pretty freaking fast.
But alan, let's go ahead now,yeah, so come on.

Speaker 7 (15:05):
You don't have to put a bullet in me.
Go, go, go, go.
Put a bullet in me, get back,get back.
I got a knife, get back, getback.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Go Golly so.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
I guess it was a knife.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, yeah, that's what it looked like.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
The way he was holding whatever that object was
Actually, it could have been acell phone well, I, I don't know
.
He was just holding it right,he had it looked like a knife to
me.
Uh, I saw a knife you saw aknife there it is.
Yeah, grainy footage yeah butyeah, there it is, yeah, and and
our brains.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Our brains can't do that.
Live on the scene, you can't'tsay hold up, oh shit, okay, I've
got to do this and this to stopthat threat.
And obviously we can hear thetaser arcing.
Somebody's deploying a taser.
To me it didn't sound like agood contact.
I don't know if they're tryingto do a drive stun or if it was
a deployment or what the deal is.

Speaker 7 (16:29):
So, Alan, without further ado, let's roll this and
see how this goes.
I'm going to go in the side way.

Speaker 8 (16:34):
Where is he at, Bro?

Speaker 2 (16:35):
come on.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
You're not safe.
Good job.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Good job.
Officers involved, you know,and that sucks I hate.
Obviously nobody wants to seesomebody get hit like that.
When you try to use lesser thandeadly force, it doesn't work
and that force is still comingat you and he's using deadly
force.
You've got to meet it to makesure nobody else gets hurt as
well and that sucks.
But yeah, we don't quarterbackhere.

(17:18):
We try to see as we see.
There's obviously some detailswe don't know about.
Allen may be able to pull upthe detail, the detail.
Who are we watching these fromtonight, alan?

Speaker 5 (17:27):
they're all police activity.
Want to thank you.
Big shout out to policeactivity for um, we.
We almost exclusively use theircontent.
Um, most of these videos, ifyou'll notice, when they start
playing or within the last month, and today, all of them were
uploaded today.
So and I already closed thatone down so I can't read that

(17:52):
page.
But the interesting thing to meis we're going into an unknown
apartment and we've already itseemed like we're already
pulling our taser and we were,um, I think you know I love,
love the belt and all the backgadgets that we have, but I'm
not sure that's the item I wouldhave been going for in that

(18:14):
close quarters of a situation.
But yet I don't deal withapartment complexes every day
like New York officers were.
I'm you know I have like two inmy city and there might be 30
units.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Jared, what's your thought on this if this was on I
don't even know if they I don'tknow much about a reservation
man other than what you see onTV shows.
What's your thoughts on thisentry and execution of what they
had to do?

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Yeah, I mean apartment complexes are a
different animal because, asAlan was alluding to, it's like
it's fatal funnels galore.
You have concrete floors so theminute you announce yourself,
the whole apartment complexknows you're there, and then the
walls are paper thin a lot oftimes, depending upon the.
You know how classy or howexpensive these apartments are.
So you have to account for yourrounds and make sure your

(19:11):
rounds hit, because you're goingthrough three or four
apartments if you miss um.
So yeah, the departmentcomplexes are never fun, but I I
did like the fact that you knowthey had less lethal and lethal
options available and you know,thankfully, that they did and
it worked out the way it'ssupposed to.
Um, I think the officer was alittle bit shell-shocked the
fact that he put over the radiotaser deployment and not gun
shooting.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
I think that goes right into his muscle memory and
training.
So what are they teaching theseyoung bucks as soon as they
deploy that taser, Get on there,communicate right.
Obviously, and to be honestwith you, I've debriefed
officers after a call and theydidn't even hear a gunshot
standing next to the person thatdid the gunshot, because of
what our body does when it goesinto fight or flight and he may

(19:49):
have deployed that taser andthought his partner deployed a
taser because it hasn'tregistered in his frigging brain
housing group yet.
Nick, I don't know if you agreewith that or with the stuff
that you've seen, but it'samazing what our bodies do.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yeah, no, you just you revert to whatever training
he had or in the academy days.
So the lead officer had histaser on.
Had it just been solely tasered, that guy would have been
stabbed a hundred times beforehe could probably get to that
close.
So we already said it we don'tbring tasers to a night fight,

(20:24):
we bring guns to a night fight.
So I do like that.
They did have that two options,but again I don't know what the
initial call was right.
So like armed with a knife, Idon't know if I'm gonna go
walking down that tight littlehallway uh, not have vision with
a taser, especially if you saywe got we're both going, we're
both going hot with guns you.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
You know what I mean At that point and we talk about
this a lot too that if we canpull all subjects out but the
knife wielder, depending on thecall, notes and details, what's
to say, we just make everybodysafe and say, see ya, you know
what I'm saying.
If he's in there by himself andnobody else is a threat, and

(21:05):
until we get anothercorrespondence or call, why
continue to deal with it?
Now again, we don't know allthe details and I'm not
quarterbacking these twoofficers by any stretch, because
there's a thousand ways you canskin this call and they didn't
have a choice.
So they may have been given awhole bunch of different
information, because I don'tthink an officer in their right
mind is going to pull a taserout.

(21:26):
If they know, have theknowledge of you're going in
with a lethal weapon, then youbetter meet that with lethal.
Just an opinion.
Again, I agree, jared.
Do you have anything to add onthat brother?

Speaker 4 (21:40):
No, I think you guys covered that one.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yeah, usually we do have a situation like that.
We'll have our lethal up frontcovering just for that purpose.
So I'm in front of you andyou're kind of off to the back
on the side of me and you candeploy your taser in case that
guy does charge.
At least I got your cover here.
So it was staggered where thelethal was behind.

Speaker 7 (22:05):
so I mean again we're .

Speaker 3 (22:08):
You know, I'm not here to money, money quarterback
.
I was teaching at an academy.
I just say hey guys, just kindof keep this in your mind if you
were ever caught in thissituation.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
That's right so the initial call at 3 pm, 9-1-1 call
of an individual threateningattacker.
They were threatening to attackanother individual.
Officers interviewed the 911caller in front of the location
and identified the 25-year-oldas a suspect.
The officers then accompaniedthe caller to the apartment

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where Luther was located.
They entered the apartment,encountered Luther and then
everything we saw.
He discharged two rounds of theservice firearm, striking
Luther, was taken into custodyand transported via ambulance
where he was declared deceased.

(23:01):
Sad Yep.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
And we could talk about, we could get on a tangent
for 48 hours on the mentalhealth crisis that goes on in
this and how our frigging countyjails and local lockups have
become mental health places.
And that's not in my you know.
I don't believe that's the wayit should be.
We gotta have proper mentalhealth for everybody in this
country and it's not our jailsman.

Speaker 5 (23:26):
It's definitely not well and now, reading that and
hearing it, I would have neverlet a victim or a complaining
party back into an apartmentcomplex.
Uh, period, uh, once we hadthat conversation.
I'm not going to bring somebodyback to the apartment complex
to let it escalate any further.
I'm going to make them staydownstairs with another officer

(23:47):
and then I'm in that scenario,I'm probably going to, you know,
empty the apartment complex oneby one, and you know if it's
going to be just me and him inthe room and if he wants to be
by himself, then we're.
You know, that's a wholedifferent situation, but I'm
going to try to get all innocentvictims away from the scenario

(24:08):
as possible, absolutely.
But in the scenario they dealtwith, you know, I think they
handled it as best they could inthe moment they did.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Awesome.
What'd you get next in queue,brother?
Let's see what else we got onthere.
All right, unless anybody elsehas got something else to add on
that that we're missing.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
Not for me All right, so okay, this one Biggie Size.
So Biggie Size means everybodygets to drink at that point.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Water Gatorade.
This is.

Speaker 8 (24:51):
Nick calling from the In-N-Out Burger in Manteca,
california, all right off ofYosemite.
I want to say we have acustomer who is being kind of
hostile.
He's in between both of ourdrive-thru windows.
We had a customer at thedrive-thru window and then he he
was like slamming his cardirectly behind their car,
hitting them in the bumper, buthe kept hitting the gas and he
was like very intentional withit.

Speaker 6 (25:12):
Okay, so he struck their car with his car.

Speaker 8 (25:14):
Yeah, he's in a white van.
I'll see if I can get thelicense plate number for you.
I don't see a license plate onthe front Looking in the back
the gentleman's wearing a 49ersjersey license plate number.
Are you ready for it?

(25:35):
Go ahead.
He's driving a Chrysler Countyand Country, a white van.
It's looking like it's got alot of stuff, including a
fishing pole seat covers withthe American flag logo on it.

Speaker 6 (25:39):
Okay, is he white?
And glasses Gotcha yes he isWhite, black, hispanic, asian,
larger white man.

Speaker 8 (25:43):
He has a little bit black, hispanic, asian, larger
white man.
He has a little bit of facialhair, longer hair on the back,
tattoos on his arms.
I believe it's a Vernon DavisSan Francisco 49ers jersey, all
red.
Okay, we're refusing to servehim right now because, like I
said, he was very hostile withthe car in front of us.
Okay, and yeah, we're trying toget him out of the driveway

(26:03):
right now, but he's refusing toleave.
We're refusing to serve him,okay, give me one second.

Speaker 6 (26:07):
I'm just going to start getting somebody over
there.
Hang on real quick, okay, thankyou.

Speaker 8 (26:14):
And is the other person in the other car injured
in any way?
The?
Other people, we just had thempull, stand the phone, you're
good.

Speaker 6 (26:22):
Cam 5, king 2, 805.
It's going to be in and out.
Berger 149.30, g70, between thetwo drive-thru windows.
Sometimes on 415, there's asubject in a white van, white
red Vernon Davis, niners jersey.
He used his van to strikeanother vehicle.
Now he's refusing to leave.

Speaker 8 (26:47):
It looks like he's got a box of hazy little things
in his car too some IPAs and6.7%.
He's taking off from ourdriveline right now and he just
left.
I can tell you the direction ofwhich he's going in this car,
yeah which is the best callerever.
He went.
Let's see, he just went aroundour store, he didn't leave.

Speaker 6 (27:06):
He didn't go towards Canes or nothing, so he had a
beer in his car.

Speaker 8 (27:09):
I just seen a box of beers, but I didn't see if he
had any open.
Oh, now he's swerving out.
He just took our drive-thrusign.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
Okay, he just took off and he hit the drive-thru
sign and he's dragging it.

Speaker 8 (27:26):
And, yes, he's leaving with the drive-through
sign.
Excuse me, give a sign in frontof your car.
Okay, perfect, we can let themhandle you for now.
Thank you very much, sir.
Okay, okay, he just hit thepolice officer.
He hit his car directly,directly on the phone, sir.

Speaker 6 (27:50):
Chief, I shot fire, shot fire.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
Did we want to keep playing it, or do you want me to
stop so we can talk about it?

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Let's just talk about what we have so far.
Just like I think it was Nickthat said best 911 call ever and
that is the damn, I knew whenhe all said it and I was like
you're absolutely, 100 percentcorrect.
Usually it's, it's, it's, it'snot this, this accurate.

(28:20):
I mean I'm sitting therewatching and this guy's
describing everything and Iusually don't like it when, when
, when, just for safety reasons.
This accurate.
I mean I'm sitting therewatching and this guy's
describing everything, um, and Iusually don't like it when,
when, when, just for safetyreasons.
But I think the officer, uh, itwas not in a bad spot.
He's probably got his lights onthat.
We can't see it.
I think I see a reflection ofone and and he's coming there to
a disturbance and he's about toget out and address it and this
dude just starts slamming hiscar shots fired.

(28:42):
I think that's what we can seeup here in the.
In the window it looks like onehit the window.
Is that what y'all are seeingright now without knowing
anymore?

Speaker 4 (28:49):
it's got a couple in the windshield there yeah on the
radio.

Speaker 5 (28:53):
And then you saw the two little uh I think two that
hit the windshield so so, as anofficer, the second that he rams
your vehicle, um, you know whatare your thoughts, um guys, on
what?
What are your next thoughts?
In a patrol unit, you can't getout of the patrol unit, those

(29:14):
types of things.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
I'm in a car too, and that has some uh front end
equipment and it becomes uh, uhtwisted metal.
Playstation, you guys rememberthat.
I guess you know, let's duke itout.
If.
I'm in a car, he's in the car.
If my car gets disabled andthen I have no other option,
then I'll probably dump mymagazine, the only.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
thing that kind of scares me is all these
pedestrians that are sitting outhere.
He's worried about the signwhile we're still ramming an
officer's car.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I don't know a time of day when Chick-fil-A is not
busy other than Sunday.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
Oh, don't, no, no, no , not Chick-fil-A, this is
In-N-Out.

Speaker 7 (29:58):
Oh, it's In-N-Out.

Speaker 5 (29:59):
Yeah, this is In-N-Out, we got to make sure we
got there, because you knowwe're in Texas.
Waterburger is king, so youknow, we got to make sure.
I'm trying to get the chatgoing a little bit.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Right right.

Speaker 5 (30:11):
We got to make sure it's in the right direction.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
That's what I get for not reading the thing, like I'm
supposed to do Big shout out.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
I saw Eric post it a minute ago so I wish you were on
here, buddy.
But we understand.
Every once in a while you get abreak, so glad to take it from
here, you bet, man.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
These ones are.
You know, he rams you once,that's one thing, but this dude
is repeated.
I fully support what thatofficer did.
He didn't really have any otheroptions.
Yep.

Speaker 5 (30:44):
I think, as he started to back up, I would
immediately try to stay with himso he can't get any more power
on my vehicle, you know, andhopefully you know if I can try
to pin him in at some point oncehe's already scratched my
bumper.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Then I'm willing to write that dear chief letter I
mean even even if we can pin himin on somebody else's property,
be it another customer or anemployee's car.
That's an object, it's not aperson.
We're keeping him from leavingthis and possibly hitting
somebody with a car and doingmore damage or hurting or
killing somebody.
So I'm right there with you.

(31:19):
I think the officer took thedirect steps.
We still don't know if it'sover yet.
It looks like we still havesome time on this, so let's roll
and see where it goes, man.

Speaker 6 (31:28):
Stay on the phone, sir.
2-5, shots fired.
Shots fired.
10-4, shots fired.

Speaker 7 (31:38):
9-4-4, shots fired and we have 10-4, sir You're
driving, sir, sir, put your carin park.
Put your car in park If Isemi-clear three tells you to
turn the car.

Speaker 5 (31:57):
Stop, stop.
So I think the big questionhere to ask is he justified in
um in?

Speaker 2 (32:11):
the decision he made there after he told him to stop
the vehicle twice he cuts thatwheel the other way, and if he
gets through those freakingdouble doors of in and out, how
many people were at risk then?
These employees were just these.
Employees were just outsidebeing a witness on 911 trying to
assist.
They're at their frigging placeof employment.

(32:31):
No, I think the officer did theonly thing that he had to do to
stop this.

Speaker 5 (32:40):
I think you know if you also look at the backdrop,
he had one of the best backdropsat the moment.
You know, at any point in timehe starts backing up.
It changes, but at that moment,compared to where those
pedestrians were, I think youknow those are some of the best
options.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
When I thought I heard a canine in the backseat.
I could be wrong, but I thoughtI heard a dog freaking out in
the backseat for a second Yep,yep.
So I mean that adds to it.
You're protecting your partnertoo.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
If this guy has the courage and the audacity to ram
a police car and he doesn't givea shit about just regular
people walking around.
So if he's willing to do that,who knows, he was already
ramming another car.
So what you said off, rip.
It's like, yeah, we've got tostop him now before something

(33:29):
escalates to something orsomething gets hurt.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
And I would bet through the course of this
investigation once it unfoldedfor CID or the detectives.
If you look at all thatfront-end damage yes, they're
plastic bumpers, polymer,whatever, and he did some little
bit of ramming inside the drive, the drive-through, and then he
did the ramming in the policecar.
But I'm wondering how muchdamage he did prior to coming to
the, to the restaurantestablishment that he hit

(33:55):
somebody.
Is there somebody out therethat's hurt right now, that he's
hit already, that may have notbeen able to call 911?
That's, that's a thought that Iwould have running in my head.
Is that a number one officer onduty wants the scene as secure?

Speaker 3 (34:07):
He was hungry.
I'll tell you that.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
Oh, absolutely I want to hear what his drunken order
was.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
And you hit him with theft for the sign too.
He tried to steal the sign.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
You bet A little bit of criminal mischief on top of
it, man, and you do not let himeat that meal if he survives and
goes to jail.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
So yep yeah, he didn't get to eat the meal okay
yeah so the rest of the video isbasically the rest of the spot.
Uh response.
And then the SWAT team comes into empty the van and take him
by ambulance, where he waspronounced deceased.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
All over Cheeseburger .

Speaker 7 (34:53):
Twists as we make.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
I wasn't able to check the comments out on this.
Let's see.

Speaker 5 (34:59):
So there's a back and forth and you know, Waterburger
, you guys need to step up.
We've got to get Waterburger topull a little further higher up
on the list.
Guys, come on.
I mean, they keep saying in andout I don't understand, I don't
understand.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
So far two for two.
We had two Fafos.
Go fuck around and find out onthere.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yep, and just like I say on all of these, these
officers didn't wake up thismorning wanting to be put in a
situation like this, and that'swhat the general public needs to
understand is this is the verylast thing that a peace officer
across this country wants toever get into, last thing that a
peace officer across thiscountry wants to ever get into.

(35:47):
But I'm glad for the officersthat will act in accordance to
make sure nobody else gets hurt.
And that's the big thing here.
We all know that, the officerswe worked with in our careers.
I'm wondering in the back ofyour mind if Officer
Schmuckatelli over here will actin accordance once that male or
female officer gets to thatscene and thank gosh, I haven't
seen much of that within mycareer.

Speaker 5 (36:11):
Eric, you're disappointing me.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Eric's about to get his Texas citizenship removed.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
Oh my gosh, Eric, a little humor a little humor.
So I'm curious, nick, what areyour thoughts about the buck
around and find out comments bylocal officers and sheriffs in
your neck of the woods over thiswhole stuff that's been going
on in LA and saying it's notgoing to happen in Florida?

Speaker 3 (36:44):
I love it.
The uh, you know we, we, offoff the bat let's just talk
about.
If you want to protest, by allmeans go ahead on protest.
You know, we, we in my localjurisdiction, we even escort at
one point.
Escort them at one point,escort them to make sure that
they are safe.

(37:04):
By doing so, get some water.
Okay, you're done.
Have a nice day.
When you start getting out ofhand, start breaking laws and
endangering people andsurrounding cars, they just put
something out like you surrounda car and that driver feels
fierce for their life.
It applies to stand your groundwhere they can take off and if

(37:28):
they have to go over a couplespeed bumps, then it is what it
is.
So I mean, in Florida, I lovethe way that we're doing things
and we're handling it.
I think it's fair, right, it'snot fair that if you own a
business or if you're justdriving trying to get somewhere,
your business either getsdestroyed, if they're rioting,

(37:51):
and then you can be in dangerwith your kids in the car, that
they're giving us some toolshere in Florida.
Just, this is a citizenpopulation that they're telling
hey, the public, if you feellike you're in danger, you've
got the green light.
Just go ahead and get out ofthere until your family is safe
Now don't hit reverse.
Don't do donuts, but you canflee the area.

(38:15):
So I love it.
I'm all for it, big fan.
As I said, I work closely withFlorida Highway Patrol and they
do not play around.
They have a director over there.
That is just a real deal, andthe colonel's a real deal, and
they're letting their officersand giving them a lot of rope to
take care of business.

(38:35):
So we love it down here.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Hey, just a question, Nick Do you think that GSP is
kind of following suit?

Speaker 3 (38:45):
I think GSP is the real deal too.
Georgia don't play either.
So I mean nothing but love forGeorgia.
Georgia's the real deal.
It's just they're two monsters.
They're both equally impressive.
I prefer the black and tan carsover the blue and orange cars
over there.
The blue and orange, they bothwill.

(39:06):
The way that the director saidif you flee from us within 30
seconds you'll be in a ditch,and that's just what we're doing
down here in Florida.
That's what he said on mypodcast.
I had to take a second and goclean myself in the bathroom.
It was really good.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Greatness, greatness, greatness, greatness.

Speaker 5 (39:28):
So, Jared, what about Arizona?
Like, can you tell us a littlebit about Arizona?

Speaker 4 (39:35):
Arizona is kind of a hybrid.
So you get your F around andfind out and then you also get
your.
You know we'll back off andwe'll just keep a distance type
thing.
It really depends upon thesituation.
I mean, there's that famousvideo out there from Phoenix PD
where they're shooting that dudein the balls with the 40 mil on
accident.
So you know, you bring it, theybring it back, definitely

(39:57):
Arizona's.
You know wild, wild west Right.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Right, I'd agree.
I was just going to say you go,you go.
My apologies, I think I got adelay on this.
I've ridden out with ArizonaState Patrol years ago when I
was back in the Marine Corps,was impressed by their
professionalism.
However, I've also rode outwith Florida State Patrol.

(40:23):
When my father was stationed atEglin Air Force Base years and
years ago, he was a fighterpilot there and I got two days
in a row, one night shift andone day shift and, man, even
though it was late 90s, theydon't mess around and when
they're on that scene it'sexactly that.
They own the scene.
And people don't take my wordsout of context.
They're making sure everybodygoes home, okay, and they own

(40:46):
that scene.
And the respect that the statetroopers had with the county and
local municipalities was secondto none.
So FSP man love them, also knowand appreciate that they came
here to help our state, thegreat state of Texas, with the
border crisis going on.
To help our state, the greatstate of Texas, with the border
crisis going on.
And I'm not going into politics, but for Florida to send an

(41:08):
amount of their troops, so tospeak, over here to help, just
being a part of our great UnitedStates, man, was, was friggin
fantastic.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yeah, ronnie D is the man it's best governor that
I've worked for and just he tooksome of the COVID money that
was sent that he wasn't usingand he gave us a bonus first
responders a bonus of I want tosay it was like either $1,200,
$1,300 right around Christmastime to help out and just show
the appreciation I've never hadthat before ever, ever, ever

(41:45):
from any governor, and I canjust say that he's a real deal
as a governor we're happy tohave him.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
That's outstanding man.
It's always good to have a fulladministration backing when you
have not the easiest job to doout there keeping the peace and
making sure people go home safe.
Let's see what Eric said there.
Throw up Eric's comment.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
How I train.
Make contact with protestorganizers.
Let them know you're there forthem.
Focus on anti-agonizers.
Violence actors give loudannouncements for 15 minutes
with flyers letting them know.
So Eric is actually overlytrained in this area.

(42:36):
When he puts his bicycle shortson and gets on the bicycle for
uh he's worked some of the rncsdncs in the past.
Uh, he works with one of thereally good teams there in texas
.
That kind of get shipped allover the country when, when the
need arises, I will say Tex hasstepped up, he is part of the

(42:59):
bicycle team as well, and so hisspecific team is yeah, they
don't play around, they can usethose bikes to their advantage.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
We laugh up front, but when we're talking real.
We have some bicycle responseteams and during our little
riots they were kick-ass.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
They were the all-stars of everything.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
They were able to move around really fast, respond
really fast in a unit and then,like you say, use those bikes
to their advantage.
At first it's funny, but theyeven got cool ninja suits with
all the armor.

Speaker 5 (43:37):
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, got cool like ninja suits with all
the armor.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah.
If you ever want to watch uhcool videos, uh, seattle pd for
when they do mayday their bikepatrol man, they are no joke
what they can do I believethat's where.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
That's where, like everyone, that's the mecca of
bike units.
Is that yeah?

Speaker 2 (43:54):
yeah, yeah, seattle like sets the precedent for the
country yeah, and up there I'msure they carry freakingging
rain gear with them.
I know it rains quite a bit.
They have a whole saddlebagfull of flashbangs.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
It's amazing what they do.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
Well, and then how they can interlock their bikes
together and just create abarricade with it.
So there was a big we someriots this that were no king,
whatever riots here in Texas andit was interesting there were

(44:31):
several videos where it didn'tbecome an incident because of
the response was at the level itneeded to be and they had the
manpower ready to go.
Absolutely, response was at thelevel it needed to be and they
had the manpower ready to go, soabsolutely I was never a

(44:52):
bicycle unit guy.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
I'm not built?

Speaker 3 (44:52):
do they make the bike big enough for banning to ride?
You got a trike.
You could do one of thosesegues like dr evil and you're
right around man I hope my videonever gets out of me.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Our department, where I was at we, we had, I think,
two or three given and I thinkthey called it like, uh, an
evaluate phase to see if ourdepartment wanted it, and
everybody in the patrol divisionor canine had to go get on it,
ride it for five minutes in theparking lot and basically give a
dissertation on what theythought it was.
Well, I didn't really get aclass on it.
They just told me hey, it'sself-balancing, you get on this

(45:20):
thing and you'll lean forwardand it'll go wherever you lean.
And I'm I lean on the on thebigger side of things and these
are big segues.
I'll give them that.
But this is when segues alsofirst came out and these were
the police edition.
So they I guess we're a littlebit quicker and more nimble than
the civilian cat.
Whatever, I'm not a Segwayexpert.
I got on this dude and I cantell you I can't run this fast.

(45:43):
Um, this thing got to go in andI've got this little tiny
little helmet on my on my bigfat head and frigging I'm going
down the back alley behind thePD and I tried to Yig and it
went that way.
And then I hit the fence and soyou can tip a segue over, and
it will go like this along withyour body.

(46:04):
I haven't gotten on one since Idon't do the segues.
Man, I know they have theirplace in malls and the beach.

Speaker 5 (46:16):
So, to go along with Eric's comment here, how many
likes and subscribers do we haveto get to get that video?

Speaker 2 (46:22):
oh, dude uh I know where it's at I don't know man
that'd have, that'd have to be a.
Uh, I'd have to go sit witheric on a on a saturday night
and maybe have a couple adultbeverages to, to agree, and he
had to think why I had an adultbeverage in my body before.
Yes, so, and then y'all wouldhave to show it and I'd have to
act it from me while I had anadult beverage in my body, and
then y'all would have to show itand I'd have to act like I'm
pissed off about it for a minute.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
But it's funny, man, nick, did you serve military?
No, okay, I did not serve, Allright.
So there's some back and forth.
That's been going on for awhile.
So Eric is current, so that'swhere the two cops comes from.
He's a military cop and stillin the reserves and then active

(47:05):
with a department, and sothere's a lot of back and forth.
You'll see on there, I'm alwaystrying to hit him up.
He served in the Air Force orstill is serving, and Harrison's
always trying to get beat up bythe armchair forces.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
So and uh, yeah, and I, I'm the other, I'm the other
other cohost of it, and I'm just, uh, just a small part of this
and I was, I was in the MarineCorps, uh, stationed on the East
coast my entire time.
I joined the marines to viewthe world and they're like, hey,
you're a you're, you're a goodinstructor, we're going to keep
you on the east coast and onyour weekends you can go visit

(47:47):
places like daytona beach,jacksboro, you know, jacksville,
florida, uh, that type of thing.
Or if you, if you have a 96 orwhatever, you can go visit
family out in destin, fort,walton beach and that.
And that was my four years inthe Corps.
So I didn't get to go abroad.
When I was a child and my dadwas going abroad, that's the
only time I got to go overseas.

(48:08):
But when I actually joinedEnlisted, I didn't get to see
anything other than the eastcoast of the United States.
It was great, but, yeah, Idon't have any cool war stories
or anything like that I'm alsopassionate about it, that's a
whole new song coming out aboutyou there, man.
It is man, it is I appreciatethat.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
So do you have to go overseas to eat crayons, Like,
are you still having that?
No man.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
So what's nice is when you get your Eagle, globe
and Anchor and you graduate, youknow your boot camp, you know
they call it the hardest bootcamp for basic training in any
of the branches.
No, you get a lifetime supplyof Crayola I have ordered and
somebody had asked my favoritecolor or flavor.
I call them flavors and mine isthat grape crayon.

(48:55):
Give me some of that purplecrayon, man, and it's the most
flavorful.
I want some of that purplecrayon.
Yeah, that's my favorite man,that's my favorite.
So sometimes I'll take it andI'll put it in a cheese grater
and just put it over the food orwhatever I'm eating, and it's
good stuff.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
I keep the crayons from restaurants, so whenever I
have a guest who's a Marine onmy podcast, I'll slide over the
Koreans and have them sittingthere when they show up.
Got you a little snack andappetizers.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
That's awesome man.
That was good stuff.
Man Love it.

Speaker 5 (49:35):
Love it.
So I went to training in NorthTexas Allen High School.
So they have three stories inthis building and it's half a
mile from one end of thebuilding to the other, and so
the officer has done it so manytimes.
They have a button to call theelevator and so they can, like,
haul butt on the Segway and thenback in.
So when the elevator gets tothe next floor they're just

(49:55):
ready to go again and like it'sa whole different cup of you
know, I can't imagine going fromone end of that building you
know three different times justto go down and deal with
something.
Yeah, I'd be worn out andthere's only two cops for the
whole building.
So there's almost 7,000students on a daily basis are at

(50:18):
that building.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
So it was impressive to see.
That's awesome.
Somebody wrote a comment andthey're banning.
Do you get the boxes with thesharpener on the back?
You know, I busted my tooth.
I'm not going to say it was ata bar and somebody else's beer
bottle, but it cut.
It gave me a nice set of buckteeth and in the military
they'll get you in the dentistwhen they can get you in.

(50:41):
And that was the ongoing jokewithin my unit is that I had a
built-in crayon sharpener rightin the front of my frigging
mouth, but yeah, until I gotthem fixed.
So no, I did not get thediscount or the boxes sent with
the built-in sharpener.

Speaker 5 (51:01):
All right, guys, you want to go to the next one?

Speaker 2 (51:03):
You bet man, let's see what you got queued up.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
Biggie sighs Everybody take your drink.

Speaker 6 (51:23):
Watch out, watch out, watch out.
Dude you.
Okay, I'm pretty awesome.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Good, ¿Qué tal señor?
Suelta el bate.
Suelta el bate.
Come here.
We'll go that way.
What's up, sir?
Let go of the bat.
Let go of the bat.
Come here, Sir.
Drop the bat.

Speaker 6 (51:45):
Drop the bat.

Speaker 7 (51:49):
Drop the bat.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
Stop there, drop the bat.
Stop there, sir, drop the bat,stop there.

Speaker 7 (51:56):
Stop there, stop there.

Speaker 6 (51:57):
Stop there, stop there, stop there, stop there,
stop there.

Speaker 7 (52:00):
Stop there, stop stop sir, drop the bat drop the bat,
drop the bat, drop the bat thatguy man.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Yeah, I didn't.
I didn't like that.
Obviously the officers didn'tintend to do it, but when they
started to square off, when hewas walking, we got a little
blue on blue and I was getting alittle nervous at that point
there.
I've never seen this video.
Obviously that made me a littlenervous.
Granted, I think the bodycamera they were watching.
I think he had a taser out atthe time.
I was more watching the subjectand the other officer.

(52:38):
What do y'all have on that?

Speaker 4 (52:41):
I mean, there comes to a point where I don't we
don't know the context, ofcourse, but it's like you know,
he's got his back to you, justtackle him, yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
That's what I was exactly.
You know, eric tried to stealmy thunder in the chat but I'm
like, yeah, words just go towork at a certain point, you
know.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yep, long as they have that legal reason to be
there and they have that legalreason to stop them, you got to
do what you got to do.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
That's what I'm saying.
I don't know.
Is it illegal to carry a bat?

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Right.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Right and the moment I tell you to stop if there's an
investigation, and now I needyou to drop the bat.
That's a different story.
What's?
The context of the stop.
I'm guessing there's a call,because they were headed that
way.
They jumped out when they sawhim.

Speaker 5 (53:25):
Yeah, and as soon as he raised the bat towards him,
now he's threatened you with itand you know, in my opinion,
like he's carrying all thisstuff, it's going to be like
fighting a teddy bear.
And you know, take him to theground ground, get him on the
ground and you do what we areall trained to do.
and, uh, you, know, at some at acertain point in time, we all

(53:47):
need to earn our bruises and andmove on down the road.
A big shout out harrison brock,uh, donated 20 more memberships
.
We'll see how long this.
So there's something going onbehind the scenes that we get to
a certain level and they're notable to donate anymore.
So far we haven't gotten tothat level, but let's see.

(54:08):
Oh, steve received one, so he'salways on here tonight, but I
think everybody has to take adrink because he still has not
received one.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Which.

Speaker 5 (54:25):
Steve Steve Landers, yeah, Self-proclaimed.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought it was.

Speaker 5 (54:31):
Pratchett.
True love got one.
David Smith, brett M R Cooper,johnny, confused, alien I almost
thought they were talking aboutme there for a second C Baker
Kyle, allison Secretariat, sanDiego and Deadpool that's a good

(54:53):
movie.
There's a whole bunch of them.
I can't keep up.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Awesome, awesome.
All right, let's see what goeson in this video.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
He's walking away from us.
Sir, drop the bag.
Yes, stop, stop, stop Stop.

Speaker 7 (55:17):
Stop Stop Stop Stop Stop Stop, stop, stop Stop Stop
Stop Stop Stop Stop Stop StopStop Stop, stop Stop Stop Stop
Stop Stop Stop, stop, stop Stop.
Stop.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
So what does that sound?
Tell you guys.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
I mean, we've all been around tasers, not a good
connection.

Speaker 5 (55:41):
And so what are we trained when that happens?
I mean you got to complete thecircuit, so either change or you
can't just stand there and keepthinking that somehow it's
going to start working.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Now we got a whole new, because we didn't do work,
so to speak, or tackle them tobegin with.
Now we're at a freakingintersection.
We got traffic coming in alldirections and I'm assuming
we're probably going to escalateto a different force, since the
Taser is in op.
Anybody else disagree with thatso far?

Speaker 4 (56:15):
No, it looks like he's only got.
I'm trying to see taser, butlistening to the x2, the
two-shot right, how do you havethe taser 10?
This wouldn't be an issue, yeahit's a whole different
situation.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
This is where communication with your partners
Missed twice.
I'm gonna go lethal.
You take out your taser, try toif you have time.
You guys can communicate likethat, which it just seems like a
standoff.
Now he's waving the bat, allright, man, you try.
And then when you've both runout of shots, hold what you got,

(56:46):
see if other people can comeand back you up.
And if the guy charges, thenyou do business.
But again, it's a bat, I don'tknow.
You guys grow up.
You guys all seem around thesame age is me favorite take.
I've been hit with quite a fewbats growing up.
Uh, some for my mom, uh, somefrom playing baseball and you

(57:06):
know, all through my life, mybrother, you know I could take
pocket ticket meaty shot to thearm or to my ass.
I'll be all right.
Anybody else get hit in the asswith a bat oh yeah, yep I got,
I took one to the head back ofthe head.

Speaker 5 (57:18):
I have a bald spot in the back of my head.
I was like 12 years old and Istepped in front of a guy that
was practice swinging and so youknow I learned my lesson.
Don't do that again.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Well, let's, let's, let's talk, let's talk just for
one second.
Let's talk about that legal,legal authority to be here.
You know law enforcement alwaysis.
You know, we're not going topress something unless we have
that legal authority to be here.
Now, if we do, they're givinglawful commands and it's not
working.
It's not working.
It's not working.
But what I'm saying and I'mgoing to segue, no pun with the

(57:51):
segue to I know, nick, I'm sureyou dealt with in your stretch
of the country of when the opencarry guys started going around,
so there was a big time towhere you don't have that.

Speaker 7 (58:08):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
The open rifle carry is what we had.
So you know, I'm trying toremember the time between 2007
and 2010,.
I think to where we just hadlarge gatherings at the
Walgreens, CVSs, the Walmarts,and where these guys would all
stand around they're handing outpamphlets and they've got their
AR-15 or what will look likeAK-47 that's usually an SKS and

(58:35):
they've got it slung over theirshoulder and they're giving out
pamphlets.
And it's just the SecondAmendment thing.
It never bothered me out there.
When they're out there doingthis, because they can have it,
it's not against the law.
Now, if you take that off andyou're doing something different
with it, yes, but the amount ofcalls that we received and the
not-so-rightly-trained,not-their-fault officers across
the country ran into this andhow many times did they remove

(59:01):
these guns?
Did they take somebody intocustody because of the training
or because the uneducatedsupervisors were on?
Now the country, it spread likewildfire there for a couple of
years.
I know you all remember thisall over YouTube, Guys were
having you know, but that kindof reminds me.
It's a bat.
We can go buy a bat at Academyor walmart and we can absolutely
take that bat, throw it up onour shoulder.

(59:21):
Piece of straw sticking out ofour mouth and walk down main
street of just about every uhcity, depending on city
ordinances, obviously.
Um and and, be okay with it, aslong as you're not doing in a
threatening manner, you don'thit somebody with it, etc.
But that's what I think we havehere is, is he probably
threatened somebody with thatbat without knowing the details?
That's how what got the firstsummon to 911.

(59:43):
And that's where we're at.
I think, without looking intothis too deeply, it's
unfortunately probably a mentalhealth scenario.
And you talk, and you talk andyou talk till you're blue in the
face.
But you've got to be an officerthere that says I'm going to
ask two, maybe three times max.
After that you have to do two,maybe three times max.
After that you have to do workso nobody else gets hurt, period

(01:00:07):
.
And then you've got to beavailable again for other calls
after you get the paperwork doneon that.
And unfortunately it's in thatline.
I mean, if anybody elsedisagrees with it, you're not
going to hurt my feelings, butwe've got to stop this.
There's now.
We're at this friggingintersection.
That's what I'm.
That's what I'm screaming aboutright now is are these officers
wrong?
No, they're.
They're going with what theirtraining is and obviously they
didn't want to do any harm.
But Holy shit, guys, I meanthis, this, this gets bad really

(01:00:28):
fast and I just want the publicto understand that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
No, for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
A question for you, nick how, uh how many officers
or cities in your area alwaysride with two in a unit?

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
None, we have.
We we ride one man or oneperson unit and then but we
respond to calls with a backup.
So there's it seems likethere's more officers out there
same amount.
But you got two cars pulling upto every scene, unless it's a
you know the GOA or subject.
Got two cars pulling up toevery scene, unless it's a GOA

(01:01:02):
or subject's car, right, right.

Speaker 5 (01:01:06):
So I just learned this in the last six months I
was in the Houston area and wasdoing some training with the
Sheriff's Department and there'sa big animosity between the two
agencies, with HPD and theHarris County deputies, that
every HPD officer rides in atwo-man unit and you know Harris

(01:01:30):
County is responding solelywith half as many officers, and
so there's a lot of back andforth, and I don't know what
that would be like to alwaysshow up with my backup in the
same vehicle.
That would be an interestingenvironment that I don't think a
lot of agencies can even talkabout could be up to 45 minutes

(01:01:56):
away right now.
And you know it doesn't matterif he's responding to a domestic
fight or just a dog or a cow onthe highway.
That's where his backup is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
And that's the same, just Nick.
So you're aware you know I toldyou I came from a larger metro
area down in the Dallas-FortWorth area before I moved out
here to BFE.
I had over 900 square miles andI was the only one on patrol
with about three decently sizedlittle cities in it and you got

(01:02:29):
to deal with what you do.
And if I ask dispatch forbackup, she is going to attempt
to contact the state patrol tosee if they're maybe somewhere
near our county Sometimes it'san hour or more response or if
there's a city officer that'savailable in one of our only
cities that has local lawenforcement, which right now it
does not, and we're going to gofrom there.
And then she's going to go downa list.

(01:02:50):
She's going to start callingdeputies, you know, because our
whole county has all of 10.
And they're going to startgoing down that list and waking
them up and only about 20% ofthose deputies live in the
county.
And then they got to getdressed out, they got to hop in
their take-home car run codewhile I'm there on a felony
traffic stop or doing what I'mdoing.
So the rural areas is what Ifeel sorry for across this

(01:03:10):
country is not having thatproper backup.
When I worked in the metro areaI could say my code was give me
a 63.
That was emergency, for give mesomebody here now and I can
make it rain.
Law enforcement probably inunder two minutes and I could
have the Calvary there withsurrounding agencies coming to
help that monitor the channelfor mutual aid.
But out there it was like Ineed units now and it's like man

(01:03:33):
, they're pretty much going totell you hope you packed a lunch
, hope you did this.
Hold your ground.
I know you're at a scene uh,family violence with weapons,
but hold your own and tell usthat we can get somebody there.
And it's no fault of the thedepart, it's just the area, what
the commissioners allow forbudgeting.

(01:03:53):
And it's disgusting because wehave more of those across the
country than we do large, uh,municipalities and it's it's
it's bad man and reference toback up, yeah, I always think
about because we have more ofthose across the country than we
do large municipalities.
And it's bad man in referenceto tobacco.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
Yeah, I always think about that when I'm like
traveling from Arizona toCalifornia or whatever and you
see, like DPS, you know you'rehours away from any civilization
.
They're out there pullingtraffic by themselves.
I'm like you know the balls youguys have.
I appreciate that so much.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
I rode with the Carroll County Sheriff's
Department in Georgia and it'ssimilar.
They run, they can run code andit takes them three hours to
get to one side, to the otherside of the jurisdiction.
So it's pretty big.
And I was just talking, talkingto the guy that was riding with
, and I'm like man, you guys,you guys don't realize that
you're out here.
Like I mean, you realize you'reout here by yourself.
I guess you don't know what itis to have people at your beck

(01:04:44):
and call.
When you're like, hey, I needbackup here, the whole world
comes because there's a wholebunch of cops everywhere and
they're like, yeah, man, nobackup, we're just doing our
thing out here.
I'm like good lord, I wonder ifthat takes, if there's that

(01:05:04):
when it comes to when you haveto use a force and use deadly,
force.

Speaker 7 (01:05:06):
Is that taken into account?
That you know, because, again.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
I'm not.
I don't patrol that area.
But let's say I'm fighting withsomebody and in a city I can
just hold what I got for alittle bit and I know backup's
coming.
No one's out there and thisguy's taking me and I'm going to
go out.
I'm back dumping into the chestand walk my way up.
So I wonder if that takes thatinto account.

(01:05:30):
There's more use of force.
It's interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:05:34):
Banning can't speak to that, anytime he's ever been
involved.
He just says get in therestraints.
You know I jump and getting therestraints.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
I've been lucky on it .
I've gotten into some scenariosand I'm sure the podcast crew
watching this is sick of hearingit.
But my FTO?
I had a two-day FTO policy whenI came out to the sheriff's
office because I was bringing in20 years of experience, but
they just wanted to show mepolicies and procedures, give me
my Tahoe, send me on my way,knowing that I would be okay out
there as long as I knewpolicies, procedures and ground
rules, et cetera.

(01:06:11):
But one of the guys, who's oneof my neighbors, he's like hey,
man, have you ever dealt withcows?
And I'm like, yeah, I've goneto rodeos and watched people, uh
, uh, wrap them up and stuff.
And he goes like, no, I'm ahighway.
And I'm like, nope, and he's so.
He's like all right, sit down,let me, let me, let me tell you
how to do this.
And he's like you got thatbrand new shiny cowboy hat and

(01:06:36):
I'm I don's like here's the deal.
You get out and you're dealingwith a big bull.
What I want you to do, man, isyou take that cowboy hat off and
you sit there and you hold itin your hand and you hold your
arms out and you just walk up tothat bull and you see the break
in the fence where you'retrying to get him back and you
just tell him here now, cow, goover, here he goes.

(01:07:03):
If that cow drops his head andsn snorts out, he likes you.
And boy, let me.
So there's another video outthere, because my first vehicle
that they gave me was a slicktop Explorer with like three
lights on it and a broken siren,and there's a video of me in my
dash cam, of me running up,denting my hood all the way up
to the top of my and as thisfrigging bull is just the front
end of my floor, with no pushbumper, mind you, as a

(01:07:23):
supervisor.
I got hired as a supervisor.
Uh, you know I didn't have atransport cage, so when I
arrested somebody they'd sit inthat passenger seat and you just
kind of put your hand on thatseat belt and you hold them
there.
Um, so yeah, I've dealt withthe kind of patrolling in the in
the early 1900s all the way uptill today.
So it was I'm glad I got bothends of that spectrum.
I'd much rather be in amunicipality with the right gear

(01:07:45):
that you know you didn't smellit.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
You didn't smell it like something's wrong with this
.
This doesn't feel like what amI doing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
I'm like I'm friends with this guy.
I've known this guy for a few.
He's not going to steer mewrong.
I go out there and do that andthat fucking bull almost ate my
lunch man.

Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
Are you sure that the the big like the beard didn't
like a big drape, like a reddrape?

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Come here come here that that bull saw me as a
threat and he was about to justwaylay me into tomorrow.
Man, I'm just glad I had thatin my car right there, All right
.

Speaker 5 (01:08:23):
Let me ask you this question.
Let's talk about one thing inthat video that didn't get said.
So when he deploys his Taser,why are we expected to say Taser
, taser, taser, and do we haveto?
And?

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
what are the.
You know what are theramifications for not doing it.
You know, I mean it's reallyagency specific, but most of our
policies say yes, you have toannounce Taser because you want
to avoid a sympathetic responseand you want to let everyone
know exactly what you're doing,that you're pulling Taser versus
firearm or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Yeah, and my thing when we first got it in 2000,
the end of 2003, going into 2004, I believe we were one of the
first agencies in Texas to getit was to allow your backup
units.
Know that that's not a firearmin your hand, that's a taser.
And you're yelling taser, taser, taser.
Because you all know when theseX-26s first came out and you

(01:09:14):
deployed and those littleplastic doors popped off, it
could have been a pretty loudpop and somebody with not enough
training experience may thinkthat that is a gunfire and they
may reciprocate.
And that's scary man, if it's anon-deadly force situation and
they took that as deadly forceand I think that's why it is the

(01:09:38):
way it is across the country.
On a lot of them I could bewrong.

Speaker 5 (01:09:42):
Yeah, my agency is still carrying them, so I forget
which one we're on, likeGeneration 4, but we are nowhere
near 10.
So it's pretty interesting that.
But they still operate the sameand do a really good job if you

(01:10:02):
have the right training and useit in the right environment.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
Once you get your hands on that 10, Alan, it's a
game changer.
I know I've gotten to shoot itand play with it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
I'm jealous, is that?

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
the one with the multiple, or is that the flip
one?

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
No, the flip one was the seven, so the 10 has 10
shots in it and you just keepgoing until you get that
connection.
I saw a demo.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Like a.
Gatling gun yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Let me age my agency's discretion on the tools
that they decided to use.
I went with my company to godemo and I'm not going to say
the agency we were at, forobvious reasons to put on a demo
for the company that I workedfor, for CAD and RMS, and we did
the demo and after the demo wewent out in the lobby and looked

(01:10:49):
at their historical it's almostlike a trophy cabinet of their
equipment from the early in thelate 70s, early 80s and you can
see the old radios that were 24inches 70s, early 80s and you
can see the old radios that were24 inches bit I do too the old
dispatch consoles with the allthe push button stuff.
That was all analog, uh, thenyou see the radio slowly getting
smaller and then in the early2000s they had that first taser

(01:11:11):
and it was the x26 and it'ssitting in there literally with
dust on it and I'm like holyshit, that's what my old agency
is carrying today and I don'tknow if they're getting this
shit off Amazon or some dark web, old ass, you know, because
they don't have the money forequipment and it sucks for those
deputies.
But that's the same taser wewere carrying when I just

(01:11:33):
retired last year.

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
Hey, but it works man .

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
It does, it does and in 21 years, man, I never
deployed a taser.
I did drive stun one guy and Idon't recommend your legs ever
hang out of a car while thecar's in reverse doing donuts
trying to get somebody to stop.
But sometimes you've got to doit.
But that's the only time I haveever used a taser.
I've never deployed probes intosomebody.
I prefer to use my stickyfingers to grab something.

(01:11:57):
I prefer to use my stickyfingers to grab something I know
what's going to happen and stopthat action and get them in
cuffs.

Speaker 5 (01:12:01):
Was the window down before you went through the
window?
I have so many questions rightnow.
We could have a whole differentepisode.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
I'm sorry.
I would have to have my reportin front of me to refer back to
that question.

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
I don't recall.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Can you tell me what line that's on, please?
You said they're trying to readit.

Speaker 5 (01:12:21):
No, I don't remember, man Sir you're going to have to
read that for me.
My brain is scrambled right now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
All right, Alan what you got.

Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
We're still on that one oh that's right, it's the
baseball bat.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
We don't know what happened.
That's right.

Speaker 5 (01:12:37):
It gets better.
So if you read your privatechat guys, I told you a little
bit they have a reason to be onthe call.
Very well, we got another taserout.
Drop the bat, sir.
Sir, please drop the bat.
I forgot what he said.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Sorry, vamos a conversar, vamos a conversar,
vamos a conversar.
I forgot what he said, sorry,let him go, let him go, let him
go, let him go, let him go, lethim go, let him go, let him go,
let him go, let him go, let himgo, let him go.

Speaker 6 (01:13:05):
Please drop the bat.
Drop the bat.

Speaker 8 (01:13:06):
Drop the bat.
Drop the bat, drop the bat.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Don't reach in your pocket.
Donon Take your time.
Drop the bat, drop the bat.

Speaker 6 (01:13:20):
Drop the bat.
It's over here.
I got it.
I got it right here.
Drop the bat.
Hold on Gideon.
I got it, gideon.
Hold on, drop the bat, sir.
Sir, drop the bat, sir, dropthe bat.

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
We could say this like a broken record, but every
show we talk about one personneeds to talk, sir, drop the bat
.

Speaker 7 (01:13:43):
Sir, drop the bat, drop the bat, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:13:46):
Sir, drop the bat.
This is too dangerous, bro, sir.
Drop the bat.
Go ahead, sir.
Drop the bat, sir, drop the bat, sir, drop the bat, sir, drop
the bat, sir drop the bat.

Speaker 7 (01:13:58):
Sir, drop the bat, dangerous bro, go ahead, we need
another unit coming in.

Speaker 6 (01:14:16):
Code one now Drop the bat, drop the bat, drop the bat
.

Speaker 7 (01:14:21):
Drop it, drop the bat , sir.
Drop the bat, drop the bat,drop the bat, drop the bat, drop
the bat, drop the bat, drop thebat.

Speaker 6 (01:14:39):
Drop the bat.
Drop the bat.

Speaker 7 (01:14:45):
Oh, shots fired, shots fired.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
Shot fired, shot's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
There was.
You know and I'm not going toquarterback these guys, but if
we're just looking at this on,how else can we tackle this?
How many times did he put thatbat?
Because we knew his offhand wasobviously his right side.
He was coming up with it likethis when that bat's being held
by that offhand down the leftside.
Why didn't this officer withthe taser and again not
quarterbacking run in and linehim down to the ground?

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
Especially when there's two of you.
One of them does the look at me, look at me, while the other
one tackles.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Exactly, just clown him.
Clown him and get him down.
But is that officer wrong?
No know, it's.
Uh, there's.
There's so many ways to dealwith this.
I mean we hate to see the lossof human life so earlier the
call came in as a nearbybusiness strip.

Speaker 5 (01:15:53):
The security guards called uh, the police department
.
There was a man with a bat.
He had been asked to leave theproperty several times Earlier
on in the day.
He actually hit the securityofficer with the bat when they
were trying to get him to leaveand so, when officers responded,
he was later pronounceddeceased on the scene.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
That's terrible.
You can tell that there wassome mental health stuff going
on.
Like I said, they did what theydid.
There's no fixing it, but Ithink there was other options.
It was sad that that guy losthis life because of it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
There's training points.
I'm sure you guys talk aboutthis, but drop the bat, drop the
bat.
These guys were just.
They were just at a high levelwhere they couldn't understand
what was going on.
They need to take some breaths,slow down and think about some
stuff.
If you're talking to this guyin English and he's muttering

(01:16:57):
Spanish back at you, no matterhow many times you say drop the
bat, he's not going to drop thebat.
Obviously this guy had a littlebit of mental issues, and again
, I'm talking as though we'rejust training here.
Oh, I got a green screen.

Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
I thought that was real, the whole time, oh Manning
, you just switched over there,buddy.
Yeah, I'm looking at it nowtrying to fix it, I think this
is the third, uh, no eric makesa lot of points, uh, on the show
in the past about um, too muchde-escalation turns into a

(01:17:33):
higher use of force.
You know we've we've gone tothis whole world of de-escalate,
de-escalate, de-escalate,de-escalate, de-escalate.
But you know there's a time andplace where you just punch them
in the face and get them inhandcuffs and I think it
resolves it quicker than if youhave to go all the way through
the continuum.
What is your experience withthat, gentlemen?

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
I would just go back to what I was saying and, if the
opportunity is there to tackleand end that with just putting
your hands on the person,absolutely, um, just going off
of what what they were saying.
But yeah, there was plenty ofopportunities.
The moment he's moving with thebag and and he's switching
hands and batting hands.
Communicate with your partner.

(01:18:19):
Communication is key when itcomes to these situations, being
able to take that tacticalbreath and then, communicate
with your buddy or your pal,like, hey, when he moves it, I'm
going in, you know, so he knowswhat's going on, or they know
what's going on, and that thisperson obviously speaking in a
different language, so more thanlikely you're not going to

(01:18:40):
understand.
You, you deal with the lips.
This is the universal sign forme.
I'm going to take them down andthen you just go at it, you
know, just go at it, wrap themup and then have your partner.
You better get your ass in herewith me.

Speaker 5 (01:18:55):
You know, one of the things I noticed, and I think we
all have that imaginary line ofI'm not going to let him
continue walking down the sideof the road because he could
jump into a moving vehicle.
You know, if his intentions areto make us take his life, you
know, I've had people run out infront of vehicles, you know,

(01:19:17):
and so in our mind we have thatimaginary line that we're not
going to let them cross, youknow.
You know, are there moreoncoming businesses coming in
where he could run into a door?
You know, and I think you know,one of the benefits they have
is they work together every day.
And you know, I knew from thethree officers so they're in my

(01:19:38):
department.
It was three officers on thestreet, that's it, the three of
us, for there was about 7,800people for our community and we
could.
You know, when somebodyresponded I could almost tell by
the words they were saying whatthey wanted me to do.
When I moved in behind them itwas like nope, they're, they're
talking them down.

(01:19:58):
So I'm ready to grab hands orum, are we?
You know?
But most of the time I wouldn'tlike if that guy had a bat.
I probably wasn't telling youdrop the bat.
I was trying to hey what's goingon today you know how's the
weather to uh, get them out oftheir oodle loop.
You know, and I think theofficers needed to do that too

(01:20:19):
for each other.
Sometimes you forget thatyou've just told him to drop the
bat 20 times because you are soamped, like you were saying,
and some of the ways to do thatis change the conversation,
change the narrative oh, don'ttrip on that rock and they
change their focal point.
And we're all human and I thinkthey could have played off of

(01:20:44):
each other a little better.
But I don't want to say thatthey did things wrong, but I do
think that there's training andexperience that will definitely
help moving forward.

Speaker 4 (01:20:54):
And just the fact that the one officer backed
himself into the street too andthen put his back towards
traffic.
Don't do that.

Speaker 5 (01:21:08):
So Banning this is the line of work you were in A
lot of people are wanting totalk about.
We could have sent a K-9 in onthis.
So the one thing I would haveto remind people is the
community that that that washouston pd.
And, uh, they say that the citylimit, the state of connecticut
, will fit inside the citylimits of houston.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Yeah, houston is a is a is a large.
I go to houston quite often.
I know a lot of there's a lotof great cops in houston.
I can't speak for all of them,but I can speak for the ones
that I know, um and I, and Iknow I well, they're probably
back on patrol now, but I knew acouple of the canine guys years
ago.
You know canine in thissituation as quick as he was to

(01:21:51):
get that bat in position.
You know, are you going to sendan officer with no weapons
other than his teeth to go aftersomething with a weapon that
can turn deadly?
No, but my whole thing of goingin, of utilizing an officer and
the physical strength ofknocking somebody down,
disengaging them to get theminto custody and get that bat

(01:22:12):
away from them, is what I willsay may have been a different
alternative that may havechanged.
This is is.
Is my opinion of that correct?
Not necessarily, that's, justofficers will do different
things, but I would.
Definitely it would.
I don't think it would havemade it to that intersection, um
with with a different group offolks.

(01:22:33):
They're not saying that theseofficers were wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:22:37):
Yeah, mr Belfold, you have to remember.
You know there's a reason whyyou sit on my side of the stands
a lot of the time the drinkinggame.
I'm not biggie sizing onpurpose, so I get to say the
word biggie size.
All right, I think that coversthat video.

(01:22:57):
There was several back andforths and then there's also
some conversations, so let's geteverybody's perspective on the
argument of homeless and him.
You know, I can kind of seethat that's probably what we're
dealing with.
Somebody didn't want to leavewhere they're living.

(01:23:20):
So how would you handle asimilar situation with a
homeless person?
You know they're not wanting tomove from where they've been
living.
I guess let's start off withNick.
What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
I want to go back to the previous one with the bat.
I say we bring back you, gotyour partner that old school
where you used to like go on allfours and then your buddy would
push and they would fall over.
Say, if we implement that someDTs and defensive tactics, let
these people that grew up ontheir phones, you know, teach
them about that little move.
I think we save a lot of lives,guys.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
I'll start the movement.
I will endorse that policy, ifyou write it up, yeah, I will.

Speaker 5 (01:24:04):
I will you make sure the videos get put out there,
because I would be laughing theentire time see the guy creep up
behind them.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
No, with the homeless is just, we have you, you know
got to offer them another route.
Hey, you want to go to this,shelter, this space.
Again, they're not breaking anylaws or doing anything, it's a
business, and the businessdoesn't want them on their
property.
And then you got to go and itbecomes trespassing if you don't
leave.
But in any case, we alwaysoffer shelter and then if

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they're breaking the law right,you know, or an ordinance, city
ordinance or something thenthey're going to have to go.
But first and foremost is howcan we help you?
Man, we want to help you.
After that, you don't want anyhelp.
Well, you got to leave, youdon't want to leave.
Well, now you got to go with me, and that's, that's the name of
the game okay, I've got to saysomething here.

Speaker 5 (01:25:02):
Harrison brock somebody said five more
memberships.
Yeah uh, if you could turn upthe gain on your, your mic, just
a little bit.
Uh that, or move in closer toyour mic the mic's, not I'm, I'm
faking it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
This is just a prop today.

Speaker 5 (01:25:18):
Let me go, okay, okay so um harrison brock donated
five more memberships, and guesswho I received one.
Eric received a membership.

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
I thought you were going to say Marine's Blood for
a second.
No, you did not.

Speaker 5 (01:25:37):
Marine's Blood is still off the list, but Eric is
on viewership tonight and so hereceives one.
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
That is priceless.

Speaker 5 (01:25:46):
Jared I was going to ask you to take this one.
I don't know how Ericmispronounces her name Nevaeh
all the time, but she's alwaysbeen a great viewer.
Can you help on this commentreal quick?

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
I mean to your point yeah, we don't know what we
don't know.
We don't know what theinteraction with the security
guard was.
We don't know how it played out.
He said he was assaulted.
We don't know the whole truthbehind that.
As far as police are trained tolie, I mean I'll give you that
in certain situations.
Yes, we are.

(01:26:26):
However, when it comes time toit, we have to tell the truth.
That is the oath we took, um,but I will give you that, yes,
we have been trained to lie.
I lie to people all time when Isay you're not going to jail or
something like that, or we'llfigure it out, or something like
that.
Things change, but you know,the oath we took was to tell the
truth.
The ones that are lying and notdoing that, they shouldn't be

(01:26:46):
cops anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
Yep, yep, hey, throw up Mr Belfort's comment about
Chesty Puller.

Speaker 5 (01:27:04):
That comment about chesty puller, that's a marine.
Well, I gotta be careful.
Which one are you talking about?
Because the one he postedearlier I can't post chesty
puller.
Uh, well, I'm behind.
Sorry, I'm.
I'm reading them going.
Oh my gosh, uh, no, no, I'm waybehind.
They're here, hold on, let meget okay, there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
yeah, chesty puller will identify.
Will identify as a Volkswagenbefore Marine Blood gets a
gifted membership.
And if you guys want to knowwho Chesty Puller is, we don't
have the bandwidth nor the timeto go in that, so I suggest you
Google him.
He's a badass, that's all I cansay.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
Yeah to some of the comments on here too.
So I don't know what it was foryou guys in your cities, but we
were spoiled.
We had this group they werecalled CBI that would come out
Anytime we had to deal withsomebody with mental health or
homelessness.
We could call them out and theywere kind of a third party that
would intervene and help getthem resources, give them a ride
somewhere.
So bless those people, becausethose saved me so many times

(01:28:00):
when I had to deal with people,you know, cartloads full of crap
that I don't know what to dowith.
You can call them and they canhelp out and make sure those
homeless people still get tokeep all their possessions and
all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Yep, absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
And I was going to say, like, if we, if we keep
like a bucket of baseballs inour car and then we get to throw
baseballs at the guy, see ifmaybe we can get him to toss the
bat, or something like that.
I'm just thinking of other ways, I'm trying to get outside the
box.

(01:28:34):
And on a real note, on a seriousnote, and I'm sure you guys
outside the box and on a realnote, on a serious note, I'm
sure you guys talked about riotsand everything.
But I've been in skirmish lineswhere rocks were thrown at us
and the rocks are coming in kindof they're big, they're like
big, baseball-sized rocks, butthey're coming in slow and I'm
like if I played college ball,my man, if I had a glove, I just

(01:28:55):
catch these like nothing.
It just like boom, boom, boom.
One of our officers broke herwrist.
You know, she hit her in thewrist and broke her wrist.
I'm just thinking like man itwould be.
And when they're throwing thosefrozen water bottles, a
baseball, a big center fieldglove and you just catch some
stuff as it's coming in, getyour catcher out there.
Are you guys with me on this?

Speaker 4 (01:29:16):
Again, if you write that policy, I will endorse it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
Alright, we've got two policies tonight in the live
stream.

Speaker 5 (01:29:24):
I don't know.
You know that hockey mitt.
If you've ever been hit withone, oh my god, you could add
that one to the use of forcecontinuum.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
I could just hear that In an evidence hearing
officer.
Is it true that you used abaseball style glove on your
left hand to backhand somebodyto get a weapon?
Because yes, but he wasthrowing rocks before that.
We were having to catch andrelease and work our way up to
the seat.

Speaker 4 (01:29:53):
In my defense there wasn't a policy saying I
couldn't do that.
Sure, sure.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
You know how many chiefs are right now watching
this, like we are adding?
No, that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
We're going to stop shopping at the police supply.
We're going to Dick's SportingGoods.

Speaker 5 (01:30:11):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
Our officers.

Speaker 5 (01:30:13):
Dick's Sporting Goods .
Speaking of that, we arelooking for sponsors, and so if
you'd love to sponsor our show,I thought you're going somewhere
with it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I was trying to keep it pcthere, buddy uh speaking of our
sponsors, um uh banning who?
Who made that shirt you'rewearing there?

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
you know this is a retro rifle.
I don't know the name of thespecific shirt itself, but it's
freaking gorgeous man.
It's amazing.
I think Nick said he had one aswell and I think he just bought
that on his own.
These are badass shirts.
Check out Retro Rifle man.
Awesome, awesome shirt, awesomeline of apparel.
You can go in there and it'samazing how many print designs

(01:30:57):
they actually have.
I'm definitely going to getmore busy with my job right now,
but once I get some off timeand I can actually get on that
website, I'm going to order somemore.
And I got to order them.
You know fluffy size, I needthe big ones.
So, uh, definitely, definitelygoing to get some more.

Speaker 5 (01:31:12):
So they have like two come out every week, so it can
become an addiction.
Unfortunately, I've alreadyfigured that out.
I like them because of all myairplane travel.
They don't wrinkle, it's reallyeasy to keep the wrinkles out
and so, and you know, most ofthem are really funny because

(01:31:33):
all of them have guns hidden inthem somewhere, and so if you
like guns, you're definitelygoing to want to check them out.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
Thanks, guys, for supporting us and uh all right
love it I actually, uh, I havetwo.
I have two retro rifles onethat looks like saved by the
bell, it's like aqua and thecool designs, but the guns are
in there.
And then I did the old way.
You know, right after theholidays they throw a little
sale, so I haven't worn it yet.
I bought a lot right after thelast holiday season, but I got

(01:32:02):
this one with christmas lightsand guns retro right now, shout
out to retro rifle.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Yeah no, they're definitely good company, man,
definitely good company.
So that's, that's good stuff,man, all right, was that your
last video?

Speaker 5 (01:32:14):
alan, no, I no, I've got more man, I'm ready to go.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
How are you on time, Nick Cause?
I don't want to keep you here.
Uh, I don't know if you got towake up super early.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
I fell asleep 20 minutes ago, man.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
There you go, man, there you go.
I'm just on autopilot.
I love it, man Love it.

Speaker 5 (01:32:32):
All right, here we go .
So I don't know what happenedhere, guys, but police activity.
Once again, thank you for beingout there so we can utilize
your video and make it happen.
But they must have been on aspree of things from a certain

(01:32:57):
agency.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
Where were you involved in the accident?
No, what?
No, no.
That's not the.
Where were you involved?

Speaker 4 (01:33:13):
Got your vehicle listed as the vehicle involved
in the accident.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
I got video footage and everything.
Buddy, I'm not here to debateabout it.

Speaker 5 (01:33:23):
So what's the first couple things that you guys are
picking up on?
If you're on even a trafficstop from this, I'm going to
need you to step outside thevehicle.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
I'm not giving you the old vehicle.
Come on out here outside thevehicle, sir.
Let me talk to you.
I can't clear your hands.
I don't know what's in his seat.
He's in his own world overthere.

Speaker 5 (01:33:44):
I need to get him over to me and that's the one
thing that I'm picking up on aswell is he seems to be
inebriated from you know.

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
I don't know if he's hit his head or if he's high or
what, but he was slurring hiswords, pretty well, so here we
go you said what so which one?
Okay, so what was yourintention.

(01:34:20):
You don't want to provide anyinformation you know state law
to do that right.

Speaker 6 (01:34:26):
What did you hit?
Final update on the 16th park.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
I'm not going to debate about it with you, okay.
What we're going to do is we'regoing to put you in handcuffs.
We're going to put you in theback seat.

Speaker 5 (01:34:35):
No-transcript and they're going to block the crash
.

Speaker 6 (01:34:40):
Okay, hey, whoa, whoa go, go, go go, Shots fired,
shots fired, shots fired.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
Daggummit man.
We don't know what hisintentions were.
A reasonable and prudentpersons may say, hey, uh, I've
got some I'm going to have toget rid of before we go that
route.
But I believe there's, there'ssomething in the system here,
either alcohol, drugs et cetera.

(01:35:09):
Uh, to go, you know what?

Speaker 4 (01:35:13):
y'all Jared Nick what y'all definitely had Definitely
had something on board, that'sfor sure.
He was sweating like crazy, hiseyes were all crazy and he
wasn't comprehending thequestions they were asking him.

Speaker 5 (01:35:25):
Even as he went to his waistband, he was all like I
don't know how long they hadhim stop.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
It seemed like I didn't see that initial officer.
I thought that was the initialapproach.
I don.
They had him stop.
It seemed like the.
I didn't see that initialofficer.
I thought that was the initialapproach.
Um, I don't know, they had himstop for a minute.
That's why they let him sitback down or they didn't pat him
down.
This is the.
This is the subject, uh, orsuspect in my, in my hit and run
man.
We gotta, we gotta, detain thisguy, pat him down.

(01:35:53):
And then, why do we announcewhat we're going to do?
I never, when I used to FTO andI would tell them we're not
announcing what we're going todo.
I'm going to put you inhandcuffs, put you in the
backseat of my car and I'mgiving you the play-by-play.
So now he's thinking well, Iain't going back there, or

(01:36:14):
whatever the fuck he's thinking.
If he's asking me as an officerthat's done this, I'm thinking
that he doesn't want to go afterI announced what I was going to
do have you ever put somebodyin handcuffs and then driven
their car to a different scene,like he said he was?

Speaker 5 (01:36:31):
going to do that like we're going to take your
vehicle back to the crash yougot a flat like that's a lot of
stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:36:36):
You get a flat like no that's a

Speaker 5 (01:36:40):
crime scene yeah it's crime scene, like.
But like, as you were saying,like you're just uh, yeah, I can
see having a conversation, hey,let's go back to my vehicle,
let's have this conversation,but not you what.
What we're going to give, uh,you know, here, let me play it

(01:37:01):
out for you and see how this isgoing to go.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
I always would tell my uh trainees is like let's,
let's try to keep it at 0%.
That's what I want.
I want zero, zero percentchance of something happening.
So if we have to inconveniencesomebody, for the moment it is
what it is.
We'll let you go if there's nocrime.
But we're gonna either put youout of a position of

(01:37:26):
disadvantage, we're gonna sityou down, we're gonna handcuff
you.
I'm gonna ensure that, if I'mdealing with you, that you do
not have any firearms.
You just committed a crime.
There's a lot going on thereAgain, not to Monday morning
quarterback, but this is like Ilook at this as training
Somebody said in the comments iscopsplaining, it's whatever,
whatever, but it's to educatemore, right, Both the public and

(01:37:50):
somebody listening, watchingand saying what did he do wrong?
Think there's some things thatcould have been done better?
Say what did he do wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:38:00):
I think there's some things that could have been done
better.
Sorry, I was trying to catch upon the chat.
There was something I must havemissed Eric's on a tangent.

Speaker 4 (01:38:07):
What Eric on a tangent?

Speaker 5 (01:38:09):
Yeah, imagine that he's not even on the show and
he's leading the show.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
And I'm aware of the green screen issue.
Again, there's just no way forme to fix it unless I go out.
I'll be right back.
Yeah, you're fine.

Speaker 5 (01:38:24):
So the crash happened .
There was three vehiclesinvolved.
This one is the third vehicle.
He left the freeway.
There was a general broadcastover the radio for the possible
third vehicle.
Patrol officers were able tolocate the vehicle in the area.
Officers made contact with thedriver.

(01:38:45):
As the officers attempted todetain the driver, we saw what
happened with regards to thecrash investigation.
So that's how they were toldabout it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
Somebody wrote, and I read it here in the comment
section what law did he break?
And I believe there was a BOLOthat you just read out.
There was a BOLO for thisvehicle.

Speaker 5 (01:39:09):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
Even so, you're still conducting an investigation.
It's up to me to figure out ifyou broke the law or not.
So once I deem you as a personthat I'm going to investigate,
you have to comply with what I'msaying, Because I suspect that
you committed some crime, UntilI can say otherwise and say you

(01:39:33):
know what.
It wasn't you.
I'm sorry for the inconvenience, sir.
I apologize.
It is what it is and he's back.
You think you should leave thegreen screen?

Speaker 4 (01:39:45):
up so people can put stuff behind you.
Are you sure people can usewhat goes behind you?

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
Would you like you know, at a strip club or
something back there?

Speaker 5 (01:39:53):
No, I think we actually may have been in a
strip club parking lot, anyways.
So you know, vehicle leaves ascene of a crash, that's an
automatic.
And you're suspected thatvehicle, that's an automatic

(01:40:14):
investigation.
In my opinion, I don't thinkyou need more information than
that, especially, you know, evenif they said it's a green suv
and you have damage to thevehicle, then you're, you're
automatically.

Speaker 4 (01:40:27):
in my opinion, you have enough uh to to do a
thorough investigation or youhad the in and out caller who
gave you what kind of tires hehad on the car and everything.

Speaker 5 (01:40:39):
The serial number that belonged to the tires.

Speaker 4 (01:40:41):
Here's the VIN.
I got it for you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
I would have taken that 911 caller over the
majority that I've had over mycareer.

Speaker 5 (01:40:49):
And the second that I talked to him.
The moment that he responded tous first, I have a right to be
there, and the second that heresponded to me.
Now I can't let him leave inthat vehicle Because I
automatically I'm like no,there's something going on with
this guy.
We have to go down this rabbithole and figure out, because

(01:41:10):
he's not safe to drive, thevehicle's not drivable.

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
I could smell the alcohol.
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:41:17):
That's exactly what I was going to say, nick, yeah
the officer was my officer wasclose enough that I'm sure he
was getting hit in the face withalcohol yeah, yeah, I could
smell right here through thecomputer screen.

Speaker 5 (01:41:26):
It was and and how many calls have we all done to
this exact exchange?
Sorry, uh, sorry, officer, Ididn't know I was driving bad.

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
I only had two.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
I'm not even driving, as I've heard that one before
all right man, let's see what wegot next okay, biggies.

Speaker 5 (01:42:01):
So this one people may have seen I have seen it but
I think it's a good one to talkabout.
In Houston, man, I know, Ithink maybe they released all
their ancient records.
Hey, stop, stop.

Speaker 7 (01:42:18):
Stop, stop, stop, stop.

(01:42:42):
Put your hands up, put yourhands up, put your hands up, put
your hands up.

Speaker 4 (01:42:47):
First of all, her name is Officer Jumanji.

Speaker 7 (01:42:51):
Hey.

Speaker 5 (01:42:54):
So that happened exactly a month ago on one of
the overpass, walking overpassesin Houston One shot.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
She dropped him and the threat was neutralized and
I've seen the video.
But it's very unfortunate shehad to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:20):
But thank God she was able to end that threat.
Kudos to her for being a badass.
She ran after a dude with amachete, maintained distance,
the dude closed on her and sheput him down with one round.

Speaker 5 (01:43:34):
Good job officer, you're a badass, we will buy you
a steak if, uh, you know on themove, you know that's the the.
You know eric says one hell ofa shot here, but that's on the
move in stress.
You know things changed when heturned and started coming to.
You know her blood, like things, just went through the roof
that fast and I feel like shetook a good platform, though.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
I think she was running and then she kind of
just punched out and just walkedthem.
She was running, definitely onthe move to run.

Speaker 5 (01:44:05):
Right right.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
And was able to place a very well-placed shot.
I don't know enough to put themdown.

Speaker 5 (01:44:11):
So in that scenario, one of the things that spoke out
to me when I saw it the veryfirst time is thinking about all
of the, all the things that youknow.
We've all been in differentscenarios where we have to.
We're not only thinking aboutthe suspect, we're thinking
about the victims that could beinvolved in this.
And you know, now you're on topof the highway with a numerous

(01:44:35):
sounds and all those things, andthen you know the backdrop that
she had to think about and youknow making that shot in that
corridor.
It's very impressive.
You can tell that.
You know she was on her game atthat moment and fortunately she
was, because I mean, the guy'scarrying a mach like that could

(01:44:56):
have ended up in a wholedifferent direction.
But those are the things thatrolled through my mind.
I was like I was prettyimpressed.
It just you know, she was ableto go to work and not worry
about all of those other things.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
And then let you know that the process of what she's
going to have to what she'sgoing to have to go through
after that, you know you'regoing to have internal affairs
coming out there I didn't catchthe city, it doesn't matter.
So, yeah, you're going to haveDPS and probably a ranger coming
out as well to assist as athird party.
They're going to take thatfirearm If they're a good agency

(01:45:31):
, they're going to replace itwith another one while she's
placed on administrative leave,which is completely normal and
then it's going to go to a grandjury and a grand jury is either
going to exonerate or recommendcharges, and on this you know
it's obviously deadly.
Force was a you have to.
She's given out verbal commands.

(01:45:52):
She's got a legal reason to bethere and that's all failing.
She's got her legal reason tobe there and that's all failing,
and so she doesn't get hurt ornobody else.
She deploys one round and endsthe situation.
But just think for a minute andI'm talking to the people that
are watching this that havenever been in law enforcement of
what she's going to have to gothrough the rigmarole to prove
that she did her job right, andthere's going to be some

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internal conflict.
There's a lot of things thatgoes on that that officer has to
go through until she's clearedto be able to come back and do
her frigging job again and itsucks and I'm glad that process
is there.
But it stinks that somebody hasto go through that when they've

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truly saved the citizens on thestreet from getting hurt.

Speaker 5 (01:46:37):
You know, that's an interesting thing you bring up,
benny.
I would like to ask Jared andNick so in an officer-involved
shooting, so in Texas that'swhere our experience comes from
99% of us if we're in anofficer-involved shooting, we're
going to go to grand jury andlet the grand jury decide.

(01:46:58):
Um, you know our outcome goodshoot or bad shoot, either way.
Um, what is it?
Does arizona and phoenix feel?
Or is that the same process?
Pretty much, for, because I,you know, state this, state,
it's different.

Speaker 4 (01:47:11):
So yeah, for the most part.
You know, depending upon thescene type thing, your, your own
department either investigatesor you have a third party
department come investigate it.
They rule yay or nay, good orbad type thing, and then it goes
to prosecutor if they want topress charges or not, if it's a
bad shooting or if it's a goodshooting.
It just kind of ends there andum, you start your, that's all

(01:47:32):
during your your mandatory timeoff, like as you guys talked
about getting your new weaponand all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
Pretty much the same.
Once that is over, then they'llgo over, if there was any
policy violations.
That's pretty much it.

Speaker 5 (01:47:50):
Pretty well.
Once we take it to theattorney's office, they even
will take it to the grand juryand let the grand jury make the
decision in Texas, instead ofthem having to be, you know.
So they're not just showingthat they cited one way or the
other, so that's one of thethings that's kind of held over.

(01:48:10):
You know.
It's like you know, even if youwere in the right, you're going
to be.
That could be like in my neckof the woods we don't have grand
jury every month, so that couldbe two months down the road.
Generally they'll rushsomething like that, but it
could be long and yeah, and wenever want to take a life.

Speaker 4 (01:48:32):
But those that have it's probably the worst day in
their career that they'll everhave, and the shitty part about
it is that it doesn't end there.
You know, you, you have to dealwith all that, like banding's
talking about the processafterwards.
You have to relive thatmultiple times, going through
investigations and then probablyagain therapy.
You know you have to keepreliving that and you have to
live with that the rest of yourlife.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
It's a shitty process that never ends you know these,
these't frigging superheroesthat don this uniform every day.
These are people that receive abasic amount of training to be
considered good to go out thereand the mentality or the mental
acuity that they go throughafter a situation like this, you

(01:49:14):
can't even write in a book, youcan't explain it, unless you're
in a situation like that, and Iknow Nick has known people who
have gotten into stuff like this.
You can't even write in a book,you can't explain it, unless
you're in a situation like that,and I know Nick has known
people who've gotten into stufflike this.
I know Jared Allen myself.
We've known people and itchanges them in a sense of that
process of what they go through.
And if you don't have what'scalled an AAR, a perfect you
know after action report, andyour department doesn't back you

(01:49:36):
in your actions and stuff likethat, that even notches you way
down on the on the mentalspectrum.
Um, you know these are justhuman beings out there trying to
take care of other human beingsand I know we can all speak on.
As you know, the mental healthnot only for the country needs
to get better but it also doesfor our first responders out
there.
It has got to get better outthere and these departments have

(01:49:57):
got to do a better job to to goout there and attack this.

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
So anyway, I'm just looking at this comment here.
Every time I fart, I'm flirtingwith Steve by using his mating
call.

Speaker 4 (01:50:12):
Mr Billfield's a poet , if you didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
Yeah, he is, he is.
I'm still waiting on MrBillfold's a poet, if you didn't
know.
Yeah, he is.
I'm still waiting on MrBillfold.
Mr Billfold, listen up, createa LinkedIn so we can send some
direct messages back and forth.
Brother, semper Fi, devil dog,you got to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
Did my mic get?
Does it sound different now?
Did I change it on the thing it?

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
sounds better, it sounds better, it sounds better.

Speaker 3 (01:50:35):
There we go, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
Outstanding, Outstanding.
All right, Alan, what you gotqueued up for us brother.

Speaker 7 (01:50:45):
Is this a?

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
marathon, you're muted.
No, definitely not a marathonman.

Speaker 5 (01:50:51):
Yeah, Mr Billfold came on and joined me about a
month ago and he's wearing acheetah or leopard print retro
rifle shirt and it was anawesome time.
All right, One last one.
Here's this one Again.

(01:51:11):
Thank you.
Police Activity.
We almost exclusively use theirvideos they do a really good
job of, and some of the otherones give away the storyline, so
it's harder to break down theway we do it.
So here, Okay, so we don't knowprior to this why they're

(01:51:57):
pulling him out of the vehicle,but this is a back and forth
that there are a lot of TikTokwarriors out there that
constitutionally say that wehave no right to take somebody
out of their vehicle.
So, Nick, what are yourthoughts on that?
Thoughts?

Speaker 3 (01:52:14):
on that.
Well, you have every right totake you out of your vehicle, um
, extract you if, uh, if need be.
Um, actually one of my, one ofmy videos.
I explained it when the fordhighway patrol asked the dude to
get out.
He resisted a little bit andthey just ripped them out of the
car on a criminal interdictionunit, uh night.
So I took some time to explainhow we're covered.

(01:52:41):
And yes, it's Pennsylvaniaversus MIMS.
Right, that states that we canextract you out of the vehicle
for officer safety.
We can articulate it.
We ask you to get out, you haveto get out, that's it all right
, I'll continue on put me inhandcuffs put me in handcuffs.

Speaker 4 (01:53:15):
Put me in handcuffs.

Speaker 3 (01:53:19):
For what?

Speaker 8 (01:53:20):
Let me try.
No, you have nothing.
Take my phone.

Speaker 6 (01:53:27):
Take me to town.
I'll be out tomorrow resistingtraffic.
No, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 8 (01:53:34):
It's no resisting, I didn't resist.

Speaker 7 (01:53:37):
You pulled me out my car just now.

Speaker 6 (01:53:39):
You just pulled me out my car.
You just pulled me out my car.
What do you want me to do?

(01:54:03):
You guys are responding for twoin a farming pen.
Uconn should be pulled over atdiscovery and briar.

Speaker 7 (01:54:13):
What do you want me to do, my God?
What do you mean?

Speaker 6 (01:54:17):
we do.
Oh my god, oh, sit down, sitdown.

Speaker 7 (01:54:28):
Oh my god, god damn, what the fuck, god damn, what
the fuck.
Sit down, sit down, oh my God.

Speaker 6 (01:54:37):
Oh my God, doors locked.
Copy.

Speaker 3 (01:55:04):
Watch out, you got it open.

Speaker 1 (01:55:06):
Yeah, bud You're going to need EMS.
She's moving, she's moving,she's moving.

Speaker 3 (01:55:14):
You get that open sir .

Speaker 7 (01:55:20):
What a cluster.

Speaker 3 (01:55:22):
Yeah, I was going to write that report.
Oh my God, that's a nightmare.

Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
Yeah, there will be a few supplements on this one.

Speaker 3 (01:55:31):
Oh, my goodness, the only thing missing is like a,
and then a T-Rex walked by.
Right, there's everything, andeverything that could happen
happen right there nothing,nothing's worse than two.

Speaker 4 (01:55:43):
When you're like your partners are wrestling the dude
and you run around thepassenger side and you're like,
hey, the door's locked.
Hey, hey, the door's locked,like I want to help the door's
locked that that call isdefinitely going to make the
blotter.

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
that goes to the watch commander, that's for sure
.

Speaker 5 (01:56:09):
The best part is he had just told other units that
everything was 10-4 and theyneeded to.
You know they could step downand move away, and immediately
the sergeant is getting back ongoing.
Oh, by the way, we need youover here.
It's bad now.

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
That has happened so many times.
Anytime and I'm speaking on asupervisor level here I'm going
to I've been called out of bedand get dressed out.
I'm going to help somebody gethalfway there it's an hour drive
from the house or whatever andI'm like hey, and they're like
hey, sir, you can disregardEverything's 10-4.
10-4.
Am you can?
You can disregard everything's10, four, 10, four.
Am I disregarding?

(01:56:36):
Nope, I'm going to continue tohead there.
I'm going to remain on sceneuntil everything truly is 10,
four, because that scene canturn around really quick.
And if I'm already ready to go,you know you already get a
minimum depending on what agencyyou're at your minimum too, I'm
going to go there and make surethey're good.
Uh, overtime is out of thequestion at the time.
Make sure my guys and girls aregood and come back.

Speaker 4 (01:56:58):
So Alan, can you put up a century and tacticals
comment right there, the onethat serves as WTF.
So it's funny to say that therewas actually a study done that.
That that's true.
That's a thing.
Um, duis are drawn towardspolice lights and flashing
lights things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
It's always a risk and I believe that the study, if
you look at the cliff notes, isthe more yellow intermittent
that you have in there, the lesslikely that they are to
unnaturally head towards thatdirection.
There's probably been a lot ofstudies done since I read that
one, but we tried to add alittle bit more yellow to our
arrow sticks and everything toadd those within the pattern to

(01:57:40):
make the brain not do that asmuch.
Because when you had just youknow, strictly on the East Coast
you have a lot of blue and bluethat's the only thing that's
going in the back, and then blueand red from the Mid Coast all
the way to the West Coast andthen when you started adding
that yellow flash pattern inthere and they're doing the
tests, you had less likely ofthat vehicle, you know veering
and hitting the squad, butthat's just what I read.

Speaker 5 (01:58:02):
I don't know that we do any yellow to the front,
though most agencies don't,because this is a head-on yeah
yeah, one of the.
I remember, um, you know,ancient years back when I was
actually going to get mydriver's license, there was a
video that talked about oncominghead-ons.

(01:58:23):
It's because you literallydrift towards the headlights in
desolate areas and things likethat, and so I forget how you
know, there was a study done onwhat the percentage of head-on
collisions were because peoplewent into the headlights, and so
we are a nature of humanelement that do what the animals

(01:58:48):
do, and so I would agree thatthe first aid there, the first
thing they did, was worriedabout the guy on the ground that
was in cuff, because as soon asthey're in cuffs, we own them
and we're responsible for them.
Somebody also made the commenthe is going to milk that out for
a lawsuit and, unfortunately,unless you have the right powers

(01:59:10):
, that be, they're going to payout a lot of money probably.
But then they immediately wentinto worrying about who hit the
next vehicle.
And then, eric, I guess, sinceyou're a viewer, we'll give you
the details.
Berkeley County Sheriff's Officeconducted a traffic stop near

(01:59:32):
the intersection of Live Oak andWoodward Lane, detained a
driver suspected of DWI, whilethe deputies were standing just
steps away from the patrolvehicle.
A second impaired drivercollided with the vehicle.
South Carolina Highway Patrolresponded to investigate the
crash and has since charged the32-year-old Michelle Skinner

(01:59:56):
with transporting alcohol in amotor vehicle with a broken seal
driving under suspension.
Second offense driving under theinfluence.
Second offense Skinner receiveda total bond of $4,000.
That's a big bond right there,buddy.

(02:00:16):
Four grand for all that $150 tobond out.

Speaker 4 (02:00:21):
Yeah, nice 10% there.

Speaker 2 (02:00:27):
And that's why we're not lawmakers.
Wow.

Speaker 5 (02:00:34):
So I mean, wow, I think you could in in texas.
There would have been somedifferent charges, so, um, they
would have been steeper felonies, yep.
So eric said, do it.
I did.
We're having a show tonight,eric, so we love you.

Speaker 2 (02:00:59):
This show is only possible because Eric founded it
.
I mean, everybody's got to knowthat Eric founded two cops, one
donut, and I'm just a smallpart of you know, Alan and I are
just a small part of thisequation, but he had, he
absolutely founded this man andit.
It's an amazing platform, forsure.

Speaker 5 (02:01:19):
Yes, yeah, no, that's the last one I have, manning
Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:01:26):
Somebody wrote if cops know the studies, then
place the man on the vehiclemore likely to get hit.

Speaker 2 (02:01:33):
for officer safety, I'm going to tell you right now
most cops don't know that study.
I went outside my command stafftrying to educate, just banning
, and yes, I spoke in thirdperson to educate myself on
everything I can to understandmy job better, especially

(02:01:55):
working deep nights for themajority of my career.
So I can to understand my jobbetter, especially working deep
nights for the majority of mycareer.
So I wanted to understand.
And then, once I found that out, I was at liberty to order more
yellow lights and add it to mycanine vehicle.
At the time, 2006,.
2007, is when I added moreyellow lights I've never had a
thank goodness a crash in therear or the front, just from my

(02:02:16):
training on where to place myvehicle.
Or, just luck, thank goodness,a crash in the rear or the front
, just from my training on whereto place my vehicle, or just
luck we dealt with a lot ofdrunks.
But man, it's bad.
I mean we all know, we've heardthose, we've seen the news
clippings, we may have been apart of one, those head-ons or
rear-ons from these friggingtwinkly lights man happen almost

(02:02:38):
every night across this countryand it's disgusting.

Speaker 3 (02:02:39):
The um so wheeling, uh, the light company, um, my
buddy, chris watkins, uh, fromwheeling, shout out.
I had him on the podcast, on mypodcast here, and and he
explained that it's eye trackingphenomena or something along
the lines of that, and hebasically broke it down.
They're doing science overthere, uh, and their own
research and studies.
So wheeling, wheeling's, likeyou know, putting a lot of

(02:03:01):
thought and effort into it.
That's why, that's why Ilearned about it.
Um, so, yeah, not all officersuh know that, but then again you
throw them in the car.
The car got hit by the car, soit's like you got.
You know, you're damned if youdo.
You're damned if you don't.
Um, you know, just as long asyou're not putting them in the
middle of the roadway right, laydown right here and set them

(02:03:22):
off to the side anywherereasonable where you think it's
safe enough, right, and you cansay it, but I don't know.
So I was on.

Speaker 4 (02:03:30):
In my career I had three times that happened.
We were on stops, especiallywhen I was with the tribal
agency, like our police, carlights were the only lights.
You know it's pitch black outthere, you couldn't see anything
.
So there's about three timesthroughout my career that we got
rear-ended or smashed into youknow that's, uh, definitely

(02:03:53):
something.

Speaker 5 (02:03:53):
You know that deadleg can come on and talk about.
That's what his side company ornew company is all about and
doing a lot of that stuff.
So shout out to him but kind ofthe segue, the Donut Network
and the things we're working onin the future we're going to be
talking about technology and alot of that stuff and Jared's

(02:04:15):
going to definitely take know,definitely take us down that
rabbit hole on different umavailabilities and opportunities
with that kind of stuff.
And so, um, behind the scenes,uh, you know, you guys are going
to start seeing on thedifferent social media platforms
about the donut network anddifferent sites, are you know?
So go and make sure you likenot only like Two Cops, one

(02:04:37):
Donut if you like what we'redoing here, it does help us, it
does help us grow.
But start, you know, followingthe Donut, the D network, and
we're going to be adding morethings to come in the near
future to to that avenue andthings like.
So, um, jared, do you haveanything you want to talk about?

(02:05:00):
Um, you know what you're doingand that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:05:05):
Um, I mean, I'm in the private sector now so you
might see me traveling out andabout.
If you thought you finished meon LinkedIn, you kind of see my,
my adventures and where theytake me.
Um, but if you are on LinkedIn,I'd love to connect with you
and talk more and if I'm everout your neck of the woods.

Speaker 5 (02:05:22):
I'd love to have a drink with you.
Mr Bill Foles always makes melaugh.
So, eric or Nick, this is kindof where we try to.
You know we rounding it.
We usually go on a littletalking rants um, is there
anything you want to talk tospecifically?
Maybe we didn't cover tonightor what you've got going on, so

(02:05:45):
people can follow you and, uh,see what's going on so I got
about 15 episodes of policevlogs that are already recorded.

Speaker 3 (02:05:53):
I just got back uh with fridays with it was out
there in Pinal County Sheriff's.
I also wrote their criminalinterdiction uh unit out there.
So I got a lot of good contentcoming.
Traveling around the nationit's part of uh, you know.
It's it's hand in hand withwhat I got going.
As far as the app I just created, the police jobs app, and this

(02:06:14):
app is going to put you incontact with police departments
across the nation and it's goingto put uh police departments in
contact with recruits acrossthe nation.
And not only that.
I've made a system where therecruits are going to compete.
It's almost like high schoolbaseball, college football,
where they're going to beearning points and then they're
going to rank in each state, soyou're going to see the top 100

(02:06:36):
recruits.
You're also going to get toearn points, upload
documentation, like if you're inthe military, if you're in
college, so all this stuff.
If you're looking or aspiring tobecome a police officer or if
you want a lateral to anotherstate because there's a lot of
agencies that send outrecruiters to other states and
I'm going to fix that problemyou don't have to go anywhere.

(02:06:57):
Now you can just query andsearch if your police department
who's hot, who wants to be, whowants to relocate from texas
and I can find everybody intexas, everybody in new york,
wherever it is.
I can, I can go out of state, Ican be local so this?

Speaker 2 (02:07:09):
so this nick, bring that app up, nick on his uh, the
youtube.
What's the?
What's the best way to get thepicture of your app on there?
Which which platform?

Speaker 3 (02:07:21):
I will go to you.
I can go to.
Well, I will go to the youtubeum.
I made a youtube um video andthat video explains the why and
then it shows the actual app inthere.
So you're gonna, if you couldskim, probably to the
five-minute mark.
It's about a nine-minute video.
It's a little bit about ahistory.
So to go back.

(02:07:43):
Not only that, so if you'relateral, it doesn't matter.
If you are trying to learnabout law enforcement and learn
about the application processit's one of the most stressful
times in your career is goingthrough those tests the
psychological, the polygraph andif you don't have family and

(02:08:03):
law enforcement or somebody tolean on, this app is going to
help you tremendously.
I have a video library that hastutorials on what what to do
for physical agility, what toexpect in the academy look at
that handsome fella right thereum, you know, uh, the polygraph,
things like that, obviouslywithout giving trade secrets,
but to just prepare you the bestto your ability and what to

(02:08:25):
expect.
So there's everything you can.
You can dm recruiters,recruiters with dmu.
You can see listings that areit's kind of like a trulia or
zillow, where you can hit a mapand then zoom in.
So if you want to work in SouthFlorida and you don't know some
of these, there's 30, 35municipalities in South Florida.
So there's names like, uh, ifyou guys, what's Homestead

(02:08:48):
Police Department?
Or Coral Gables, but thesehappen to be in nice areas.
So you can zoom in on a map,see where it is and then apply
right there so it is.
Uh, and if you can hit play,you a map, see where it is and
then apply right there so it is.
And if you can hit play, youcan hit play, you put it on mute
.
So this way I can just talkover what it is.
Okay, so that's the leaderboardright there, so you can see.
That's the top 100 right nowthat are currently in the app.

(02:09:10):
We have about 1,600 policeapplicants that joined us on
this movement.
Okay, and this is a joined uson this movement and this is the
badge system that came up.
So these badges kind of made itlike Call of Duty, where you
have to go in and earn the badge.
There's even a physical fitnessbadge.
So if you run a mile a day, youget points.
There's test questions whereyou're going to be testing about

(02:09:31):
the police academy laws,pennsylvania MIMS, right, so the
guy in the comment section thatwas hating.
So all this stuff is tested inthere and how the badges came up
.
If you look at this diagram, iswe reverse engineer?
What a class leader would be?
So, college degree, you getpoints.
Military, you get points.
If you were a police explorer,you get points, lateral points,

(02:09:56):
public service, aid, corrections, security.
If you just hit pause rightthere, try to get a good frame
so you don't see my boogersPerfect Side profile Boy.
Look at that chin.
That guy looks like a Spartan,a Puerto Rican Spartan, all
right.
So the thing is, what we didwith those badges is like when

(02:10:17):
you get new recruits, there's 40new recruits that come into the
class and, as I taught at theacademy and my partner in the
app, he was a director over ouracademy for seven years, so he
knows about the police academyand I taught there.
So when you get new recruits 40new recruits you say one of
these people is a class leader.

(02:10:37):
We just got to find out.
So we, we determine what makesa class leader and then we we
made badges for that.
So all these badges shouldcorrelate to what would make a
good recruit.
So, man, it's, it's a veryrobust system.
There's nothing, there's zeroout there like this for police.
So you know, we feel free ifyou guys want to download it,

(02:11:01):
check it out.
If you know somebody is lookingto get into law enforcement
right now we're very strong inFlorida, but our we're gonna be
moving to Georgia and then takeit on, take it on the nation, I
don't want to say the world, butthis definitely needs to be 50
statewide and every professionalstandards unit.

Speaker 2 (02:11:19):
And for people who don't understand what that is,
you know, municipalities acrosscountries have professional
standards units and these areunits that look at the policies
and procedures of lawenforcement within their agency
and they're also doing thehiring, they're doing the
testing If they're a civilservice type of organization,
which Texas has a lot of, etcetera.

(02:11:40):
And then you have internalaffairs that will also dub
themselves as professionalstandards, depending on the size
of the agency.
So this app truly needs and Iendorse it 100%.
Looking at it, watching thevideo Before Nick even shared it
with me, I'm like holy shit,man, this is the, this is that
golden brick to get your truelaterals, people that are, that

(02:12:03):
are all rock stars, coming inwith no problems.
We can all sit here and talkfor days on these officers that
get in trouble at agencies andthey're asked to resign as
opposed to being fired, and thenthey're going and then the
problems continue at the nextagency and then they're going
and that trickle effect ishorrendous.
And we're not catching thatT-Cole which is the post

(02:12:25):
provider, our overseer in thestate of Texas.
They're trying to nip that inthe butt.
So I'm already sent emails toT-Cole here that I want to talk
about your app.
So we're going to have thatconversation going on, man,
because this is very important.
I know Alan will think that Iknow Jared would think that for
Arizona and our counterparts inCalifornia, washington, new York

(02:12:48):
, health and quail a lot of thepublic's distrust on what they
think of law enforcement,because it's almost filtering
out a lot of the what you don'tneed.
Um, man, I'm so excited aboutthis and and and hopefully I can
, I can, I can introduce this toa whole bunch of people.

(02:13:09):
I'm going to record, uh, whatNick's got on on YouTube with
his permission, and I'm going toput it on LinkedIn and get it
out there to as many policeexecutives as I can on LinkedIn,
because I think this has got tobe in the now.
I wish this was created 10years ago, but the tech has got
to catch up.
It's finally there and Nick hascapitalized on that for the

(02:13:31):
best of best reasons.
Brother, thank you so much forbringing this to the forefront.

Speaker 3 (02:13:35):
I appreciate you, Thank you.
It's been years in the making.
It's been living in my head forthree years and a year and a
half ago I met up with mypartner and we hit the ground
running.
So it's been a lot of behindthe scenes.
I've had to be kind of carefulas far as letting the word out.
You know beta testing but, likeI said, we're on our fourth day

(02:13:59):
now and we have 1600 uhpotential recruits that are in
the app, and it's not onlypolice uh dispatcher.
Try to find a dispatcher thesethese days it's really hard.
So dispatchers, uh, communityservice aids, whatever the
police department's hiring we'reoffering.
And then I also want to fill inif you can't get into the
window of police officer, wealso have school guardians right

(02:14:19):
, so we need people to protectour kids.
You know armed security inthere.
You get to wear the tack vest,you get to carry around the gun
and you get to do one of themost honorable things to protect
innocent children.
So we have opportunities foreverybody.
So if you can't get into thatwindow of police officer for
everybody, so if you can't getinto that window of police

(02:14:40):
officer, we'll move you acrossthe street so you can get in as
a school guardian.
So this is what we got going on.
We want to find a position foreverybody.

Speaker 2 (02:14:46):
Outstanding man.
Thank you so much for sharingthat.

Speaker 3 (02:14:49):
All right, appreciate you guys having me on and thank
you for giving me that momentto speak on it.

Speaker 5 (02:14:55):
Yeah, no, we'd love to have you on again to get to
meet the whole team.
So we have officers ranging allover the country.
We have one in New York, one inSan Diego, illinois, us in
Texas, jared in Arizona, andthen we're working on some other
stuff behind the scenes that isgoing to really be big.

(02:15:17):
It's DTV, so the Donut Networktelevision, and so we're working
with some big things in theworks, and so we'd love to have
you come back and join the group.
The more the merrier I'm in.

(02:15:39):
I'll be your Miami guy.

Speaker 3 (02:15:39):
Awesome, we'd love to have you come back and join the
group.

Speaker 5 (02:15:41):
The more, the merrier I'm in.
I'll be your Miami guy.
We'd love to have you.
I'll get you hooked up to Ericand you guys can talk about.
He runs the show a whole lotdifferent than we do.
I think it's been an honor tojust be a part of it.
My mindset's in a differentplace now and Eric's saying

(02:16:01):
thanks, Nick, for coming on.
Appreciate you, Eric.
But Benny, you have anythingyou want to speak about directly
?

Speaker 2 (02:16:10):
No, I just want to echo what the public thinks.
There are a lot of you know,even our righteous Steve Ladner
bad apples blowing around liketumbleweeds.
We 100% agree.
We don't want that to happen.
I usually don't put people likeyou in the spotlight, man, but
you actually made an outstandingcomment there and that is 100%
true.
We don't want bad apples outthere either.

(02:16:33):
You know I'm used to squashingones that I've seen in the past
and those guys and girls knowwho they are because they're no
longer in law enforcement.
We want the best of the bestout there serving the people
that were out there sworn toserve, and that's the only thing
we want out there, and this appis going to help utilize that,

(02:16:54):
you know, unfortunately, helputilize that, unfortunately.
Law enforcement if you look attech where it is today, it's
amazing.
With all the AI stuff comingout, some of it can be kind of
scary if you don't know about it.
Some of it is amazing.
The ALPR, which is automaticlicense plate recognition, is
great.
It's time for our lawenforcement to catch up to the
curve of what's going on outthere and that's what Nick is

(02:17:16):
doing.
Nick is capitalizing for, notfor himself.
He's capitalizing what thecountry needs to get those right
recruits in the right places toserve those communities.
And man, it's friggingrighteous brother.

Speaker 3 (02:17:29):
Free for recruits is absolutely free.
Everybody who joins.
It's free for you guys to geton, create a profile, everything
.
We want to make sure thatthere's no barriers in between
somebody that maybe just can'tafford it and they would be a
good cop.
So we want to make sure thateverybody has the ability to
become a law enforcement officer.

(02:17:52):
What you were mentioning aboutthe AI stuff is so where the app
is now is the worst it's goingto be.
We have a chat GPT feature isgoing to come in to help out the
recruiters.
The problem we're having isthat people are jumping ship
because the recruiters aren'tcommunicating.
It's because they're gettinginundated with hundreds of

(02:18:12):
questions.
Do I have to be 19 when theapplication says 21?
What we're going to do isimplement that so it can knock
out nine out of those 10repetitive questions that it can
have that communication of,where the recruiter sits down
with a cup of coffee, looks atthe screen and it says approve,
approve, approve, approve andgoes down the list and approves
all the messages.
So that's what we got going.

(02:18:33):
Appreciate you guys again.
You bet, brother, you bet.
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (02:18:34):
Come on, appreciate you guys again.
You bet, brother, you bet.
Thank you very much and if youwould, if you would hang out for
a minute Nick and Jared, oncewe, once we go cold here and
everybody that that took timeout of their lives to to tune in
here on YouTube or whateverplatform you're using.
Thank you very much.
We're trying to bridge that gapbetween the community and law
enforcement.
That's the whole reason Ericcreated this.

(02:18:55):
Eric is one hell of a sales guy.
When I got to meet Eric and goon his podcast on a normal
podcast and you all should checkthat out on Two Cops and we're
probably going to do another oneso I can update it but man,
he's a badass cop man and all hewants is that community and law
enforcement to come togetherand that's a major problem

(02:19:16):
across this country and we'retrying to identify that,
identify the issues and shareall of our opinions on it, man
and it.
You know we're we're a smalloutfit when it comes to the
whole United States, but let's,let's chip away at this and make
this better as a team to makeit better for everybody and
appreciate y'all's time.

Speaker 5 (02:19:34):
Thank you everybody.
You guys have a good night.
Look for us.
We're trying to get a betternight for everybody.
We're also in the middle of thesummer and so, with jobs
changing and all of that, we'rejust trying to at least have a
show every week.
So I appreciate you guysbearing with us and we'll get it

(02:19:58):
all ironed out here in thefuture.
Have a good night, guys.

Speaker 2 (02:20:00):
We'll see y'all.

Speaker 7 (02:20:01):
Bye guys.

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