Balancing Law Enforcement Tactics and Trust

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All right, welcome back.

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I am your host, eric Levine, andthis is Two Cops One Donut
livestream.
How's everybody doing tonight?
Tonight I got with me BanningSweatland.
I got Kat Clark, our newestaddition to Two Cops One Donut.
I have Daniel from Police LawNews, who is also under the fold
of the Two Cops One Donut.
I have Daniel from Police LawNews, who is also under the fold
of the Two Cops One Donut, andour regional rookie here from

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California, trey Mosley.
What's up, buddy?
What's the deal, man?
What's going on everybody?
Kat, how you doing tonight?

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Very good, very good, can't complain.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Hell yeah, banny, what's going on?
Brother, another day inparadise, brother Ready to
another day in paradise, brotherready to do what I'm talking
about, and daniel we got to givehim a few seconds to respond
daniel how you doing.
I'm doing great.
Thanks, man, excellent.
Daniel is on starlink tonight,who is not a sponsor of the
podcast, but it is interesting.
We weren't sure if his livestream was going to work and how
it was going to work, but itseems to be working well, so, um

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, I want to get it out there.
Uh, for everybody that'swatching probably wondering,
like, why the hell aren't you onYouTube?
My YouTube's down.
We got banned for a week.
We got a community strikebecause of a video from May.
It was one of those stupidvideos that I made just to get a
laugh.
It was a guy driving by anaccident.
He's like, hey, you can't parkthere, and all of a sudden this

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girl just grabs a Glock out ofher shorts and then fires it in
the air and I thought that wasfunny.
So I put that on there and it'sbeen on there since May and for
some reason I got a communityviolation.
I don't know why.
I don't know how.
We've got plenty of othervideos with guns being shot.
This wasn't.
Nobody was actually hit oranything like that.
So it is what it is.

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But we got Matt's YouTube.
We got several other people uphere on the panel.
We got their YouTube linked up,so hopefully that gets us by
until that appeal can go throughand we see what the hell
happens.
If not, we'll just be down aweek for YouTube.

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But with that said, tonightwe're going to see who's in the
audience and what's going on.
Yep, we got a lot of people'sLinkedIn's pairing up Sailor
Outlaw, george Eshak that's aninteresting name from YouTube.
What's going on, buddy?
I swear I saw our boy, mrBillfold, up there.

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Is he?
Oh, there, he is.
There he is.
He said howdy and mahalo, uh,uh, michelle Marie said what's
up?
Um, we're actually going to getMichelle on one of these lives.
Um, she, she reached out.
We told her we're going to do apodcast.
She got the mic and all thatstuff and we just haven't been
able to get it uh, loaded up andgoing yet.

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But now that we're doing thelives regular as well, she wants
to jump up on that, so we'llget her on here tonight.
I'm trying to think of topicsthat we were going to talk.
What was that?

Speaker 5 (03:40):
Somebody, somebody is on here from Australia.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
I just say none you biz says hi from Australia.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I just saynone of you biz it says hi from
Australia.
What time is it in Australia?
None of you biz Don't say noneof you biz either.
I'm just curious what time itis out there, Dave here showing

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up as a LinkedIn user?
Yeah, for some reason itdoesn't show everybody's name.
I'm not sure why.
Benny, do you know why it doesthat?

Speaker 6 (04:10):
No, it seems like they'll do a few comments and
then eventually put their nameon there.
I think he's on mine, so I'mnot sure why.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Gotcha Okay.
So with Two Cops One Donut,guys, I want you all to know yes
, matt Thornton is a part of TwoCops One Donut.
We put out a video on YouTubeand I got a ton of hate all of a
sudden saying I was stealinghis content.
We did a mashup, guys.

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Matt is with us.
We did a mashup where we founda video.
We both made a reaction videoto it and then he sent it to me,
because I do the editing forthe show and I edited his
reaction and my reactiontogether.
We just did another one whereKat was a part of it in banning
and I think that was in me.
We just did us three, so it wasanother mashup.
No, we are not stealing content.
These are under two cops onedonut.

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However, they still run theirown social media stuff.
That's the beauty of what we'redoing.
We're not trying to stealanybody's content.
We're trying to put out ouroriginal stuff.
Like daniel with police lawnews, he's got a ton of crap
that he's putting out all thetime.
He's obsessed, like I am, so heputs his stuff out, but then we
do stuff together.
So that is what's going on.

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We weren't stealing anything.
I just want you guys to knowthat matt had to get on there
and, like kind of like, defendit.
He's like no, guys, like he'snot stealing my stuff.
It's like your, your onslaughtis coming after me, bro.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
So, um, let me see I'm going to question the one I
just came up um thediscombobulated one question I
love.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
He always does it.
This is why I likediscombobulated.
He titles it question.
Can you answer questionsthrough the public eye?
Answer not the cop.
Safety.
Are we not allowed to be safetoo?
Well, trey, you thought it wasa good question.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
You answer it, rookie so I think what he's getting at
is like you know, like, forexample, we have someone step
out of the car, like how manysaid I'm gonna have you step out
of the car for my safety?
I think people feel like we'redisregarding their safety when
we say stuff like that.
But it's like no, bro, we arehaving you step out so we don't
have to do anything else further, bro, like it's kind of like a
de-escalation thing is how I seeit.

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But uh, yeah, dude, I mean thenumber one thing with our job,
no matter where, every academystarts off by saying is our
number one goal is to preservelife.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
That is the job of the police, gotcha, okay, um, I
will expound upon that.
Expound upon that Expand.
I'll talk further about that.
Getting people out of the caris a lot of times a case-by-case

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basis.
If there's multiple people inthe car and the driver is the
only person I want to talk to,sometimes I may pull him out for
that reason.
One is knowing the legaljustification behind it.
Now we do have somebody up heretonight that has passed the bar
, so I'm going to say why we cando it and he's going to nod his

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head, yes or no, and explainthat I'm right.
But Pennsylvania v Mims is aSupreme Court case hearing about
pulling people out of theirvehicle on a traffic stop and if
that's reasonable and if it's aFourth Amendment rights
violation.
Pennsylvania v Mims says it'snot a violation of your Fourth
Amendment rights.
They're saying, because it'stemporary, that you're being

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inconvenienced by being pulledout of your car, that it's okay.
So the police in that courtcase they were originally doing
it for officer safety, I believeto do a pat down because they
thought they saw a weapon orthey saw a weapon or something
like that.
People often confuse that andthink that because that was the

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original court case.
That's the only way cops areallowed to pull you out of the
car is they have to havereasonable, articulable
suspicion that you have a weaponand they're paying you down for
weapons.
It's not true.
Court case simply said thatit's not a Fourth Amendment
rights violation for you to betemporarily inconvenienced by
being taken out of your car on alawful traffic stop.
So they kind of left the dooropen.

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It's generalized and vague, soI get the argument from the
public.
But yes, we can ask you to stepout of the vehicle in that case
.
And then for passengers, thecourt case that backs that up is
Marilyn V Wilson, which isbasically saying the same thing
that extends to the passengers.
Daniel, did I nail that?
Yep, you got it.
I should be a lawyer.

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Bro Got this, I got this shitdown.
The reason I asked Daniel isbecause this is what he does,
man.
This is one of the reasons wewanted to bring him under.
He's pretty much going to beour legal beagle expert whenever
we're talking out of our assabout how laws are applied and
stuff, because we're just cops.
I would say cops get thereader's digest version of laws

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and and how they're applied yeahso um, but uh, is somebody
making fun of me?
did sigma lord?
Lawful, oh, traffic stop, yeah,a lawful traffic stop.
That's the key point.
You are right.
But here's the thing, daniel.

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Back me up on this.
If I'm right or wrong, I'magain talking out of my butt.
We don't get to decide if it'slawful on the side of the road.
We decide if it's lawful incourt.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Is that fair, daniel?
Yeah, that's absolutely, 100%correct.
I mean, if you think that apolice officer is doing
something incorrect or you havea legal argument with what the
officer is doing, the absoluteworst place to make that
argument is on the side of theroad.
That's not what that is for.
That's why we have courts, sothat's the proper venue for that
, that, not on the side of theroad.
And here's the thing if, forsome reason, the police officer

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is wrong and they violated yourrights, that's going to be a
settlement for you and maybe thepolice officer will be
disciplined or even fired, andthat's the.
That's the process that we havein place.
It's not to argue with thepolice officer or fight with the
officer on the side of the road.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
That's insane yeah uh , would mr bill ford say.
He said, oh lord, more pen vmims.
Why can so many quote that onebut can't name five elements of
the first amendment?
That's a fair argument, that isI will.

Speaker 5 (10:35):
I will agree that pen verse mims, that shit gets.
I feel like people abuse thatshit.
I saw like a lot of officers wejust throw it out there way too
much and it's like, bro, youcan't just pull people out.
I know it says for no reason,but you can't do that for no
reason because you still got.
You still got to consideruseful force, like if you're
gonna, you're gonna dragsomebody out out of the car,
it's not gonna be for no reason,bro, because if they say no,

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then what?
you're just gonna drag themright of course because, just
because the court case says thatno.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Right, I'm a big fan of having some sort of
articulable reason, Because atthe end of the day I've got to
write the report.
So when I say why I pulled themout, I'm not just going to do
it because I fucking felt likeit.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
No, Kat.
What's your thoughts on that?

Speaker 3 (11:19):
So, yeah, there's got to be a reason, because going
back to putting pen to paper, ifyou have no reason, then you
you have no reason to pullsomebody out of the vehicle.
Yeah, it just doesn't makesense to me to just pick people
out cars, for your safety, fortheir safety, it just doesn't

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make any sense.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, that's a.
It's a God.
It's such a played out answer.
I'm doing it for my safety.
Ok, explain what your safetyconcern is.
It doesn't make any sense.
Yeah, that's a God.
It's such a played out answer.
I'm doing it for my safety.
Okay, explain what your safetyconcern is.
Hey, you got four people in thiscar.
I only need to talk to you andthey won't stop talking.
They'll keep telling you andadvising you of your rights.
They're all backseat lawyersand I can't hear, and I ain't

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got time to argue, because theroadside is the most dangerous
place for an officer, notbecause of you and the car, but
because of the cars coming by.
So if they're going to continueto jaw, I need you to step out
of the car so I can talk to you,because you're the.
You're the one that made theviolation.
They didn't.
They're not my concern, so stepout that.
That is a reasonable thing tome.
Um, I saw a good somebody saidsomething.

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Um, tdg said what if theofficer will not tell you why
they stopped you?
I am not a fan of the technique.
Now, officers will use thistechnique and Banning you.
Tell me if you've used this onebefore, if you've seen it.
I know you've seen it.
Officers will be like hey, I'mofficer in such and such, I need
your license and registration.

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What would you pull me over for?
I will tell you once I got yourlicense and registration.
It's like a hostage technique.
Frank loves using it.
I've seen Frank use that shit.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
I actually use that a lot.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
You use that one too.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
I use it a lot.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
We got to do it in.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
California.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
You have to tell them why.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
It's a law now.
It's the new law.
It's a law now.
It's the new law.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
It's a law yeah, right Now, where I came from,
this was taught by an FTO.
This wasn't policy or anything,but FTO said tell them why you
pulled them over to help disarmthem.
It's a de-escalation technique.
Hey, I'm Officer Levine.
The reason I pulled you reasonthat you were doing that.

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So now you just told them whyyou pulled them over and you
gave them an out.
You gave them a reason to tosay why they were doing it.
You never know.
So cool, but in Californiatheir violator processes.
They actually have to tell them.
But then you get places likewhere Kat's working.
Uh, benning, was that eversomething that you guys had to

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do?
Was that practiced?

Speaker 6 (13:47):
It wasn't practiced and I've trained.
I don't know how many peopleI've trained, but I've always
told them I don't care what thesituation was.
If you have probable cause fora stop and you go up there.
My name is Sergeant Sweatland,I'm with ABC Police Department
and the reason your vehicle wasstopped for is this May I see
your driver's license and proofof insurance, as they're
gathering that, they'll usuallytell me a reason.

(14:10):
I mean it's just a little rage.
I'll tell you real quick we'regoing here, we're going there
and I leave it as communication.
And I believe, if you don't comeacross as a complete and utter
ass, I don't ever have problemswith people.
I treat them with respect untilthat respect is no longer
deserved.
I mean my jacket's completelyclean, you know 21 years.
And I mean, yeah, people getupset, they get stopped.

(14:31):
I mean that's a part of life,but they know why they get
stopped.
You know I'll have three orfour reasons usually to stop
somebody and if I have to writesomebody a ticket, it's one out
of four or five violations.
I'm not that ticket guy.
You know, if I catch you in theschool zone and kids are
involved, you're getting aticket.
I don't care if you have abadge.
I don't care if you're thegovernor, I don't care if you're

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in congress.
That's our kids, for the nextgeneration.
You're getting a freakingticket.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
You can go take it up with the courts, but okay, so I
think I worked out anexplanation because, uh, mr
Billfold even said, if you donot state the reason for the
license and insurance before, Ican tell you why I pulled you

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over.
And the reason being is peoplesometimes flee and or something
bad happens and we don't haveyour information.
This is just a way that we haveour checks and balances in
place.
However, you want to explain it, but you've explained why you
need that license and insuranceup front.
So I don't know, I'm just kindof brainstorming.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Usually I don't go into the explanation of why I
need that.
I go up, I introduce myself, Iask for the license registration
insurance and I said, as soonas you provide that information
to me, I'll explain to you thereason for the stop.
And almost 99% of the timethere's no issue.
But I've had the case where youknow somebody is already ready

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to argue.
I didn't do anything Like sir.
As soon as you give me alicense registration insurance,
I will explain to you the reasonfor the stop.
And those are the ones thattake forever.
I do the car stops exactly thesame all the time.
But there is that one percentthat it doesn't matter how you
introduce yourself.
It doesn't matter that you askthem for the license,

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registration or insurance or thefact that you didn't tell them,
because that person, no matterwhat you tell them they did,
they're going to tell you theydidn't.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to find it.
Why do you say follow mydirection?
No, that wasn't it.
I think it was discombobulated.
Ask something about being aruler and I cannot find it.

Speaker 5 (16:59):
Oh, I did see something about a ruler.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Sorry, I'm going through the.
I don't have an Alan with metonight.
He's supposed to be joining alittle later.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
Servants to the community are, nor the rulers.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Oh yeah, servants to the community are not.
I think he meant not the rulers.
Okay, so, daniel, I'll let youtackle this one on the premise
that I think what he's gettingat is that police think that
they're the rulers when they'reon a stop, versus servants,

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where you and I know that therehas to be a level of control on
a traffic violation on a trafficviolation.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Yeah, so I disagree with that entire premise that
police officers think thatthey're rulers.
I don't agree with that.
I don't think that's how mostpolice officers conduct
themselves.
I will say that it's not a lawor policy in the state that I
used to work in, where you haveto tell the individual why
they're being stopped.
But every single traffic stop Idid, which was thousands I
would always tell the person whythey're being stopped.
I wasn't trying to hideanything and you know, a lot of

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times a traffic stop, no one, noone, likes to be stopped.
You know it's not it'stypically not, at least
initially not a positive policeinteraction.
So you know it's like mostpeople want to know why they're
being stopped.
So that's something I wouldalways say, pretty much like you
, just right, right, right outthe gate.
I was never trying to hideanything, but yeah, it's just

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the premise that someone thinksthat police think they're rulers
, I think is absolutelyridiculous.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Fair.
What do you got Trey?

Speaker 5 (18:37):
I agree.
I mean, I hear that shit allthe time.
I'm like, bro, no, that's nothow it works at all.
But I think people don'trealize how strict the law is on
us.
Like there's a lot of stuffthat's police we cannot do.
Like even me, growing up, Ijust thought police can do
whatever they want, like that'sreally what I believe.
And then when I got to this job, I'm like damn, we can't do
this, we can't do that.
We gotta follow this rule,follow that law.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Like it's a lot more strict than what people think
and no, we can't just dowhatever we want yeah, I, if, if
I were to tell people, if youknew how much eggshells cops
walk on these days doing the job, uh, you know, I don't know
that.
You, I don't think you guyswould believe me, but it I get

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my.
My guys ask me all the timesarge, what, what happens if I
accidentally swear on camera?
I mean, they're worried aboutcursing and they got a sergeant
that curses like every thirdword in roll call.
So I am not a good example forthem and I'm telling you it does

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vary agency to agency.
So John Clifford said so trueAttitude, and Matt has the
perfect attitude.
Talking about matt thornton, um, exactly, that's why we got
matt on here, because, um,unfortunately guys, matt
couldn't make it tonight, but hedid.
Let us link his youtube page.
So, um adam said don't smoke oncamera.
That's another one.
Yeah, don't use, don't usetobacco.
Um, let me see.

Speaker 5 (20:08):
And, to be honest, bro, like there's a lot of cops
that are like matt and I'm nottrying to discredit him in any
kind of way there's a lot ofcops that feel that way that yo,
we don't.
None of us like bullshit copseither.
Like we hate people who, whomake our bags look bad because
somebody could do some shit innew york.
And I'm gonna get the same, I'mgonna get the same noise in
california about it.
So none of us like that stuffeither.

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But, um, we try to be vocalabout it when we can.
But, dude, it's none of.
When you have a, when you alsoemploy with an agency, you gotta
be careful, like with me.
I can't just bash thatdepartment, so I gotta be
careful.
But, yeah, broad concept, noneof us like officers that get
down like that either yep, uh.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Mr billfold said y'all have tyranny and
corruption at every level infort bend, texas.
It is literally bad policingfrom the sheriff down and it
makes the job of good copsharder.
Agreed, I mean I can't speak onBend, I don't know enough about
those guys.
I have heard there's someissues out there, but I don't
personally I can't recallanything off the top of my head.

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But in cases like that you gotto start looking at if it's the
sheriff's department that'svoting.
Banning can speak more ontothat than any of us.
He came from a sheriff'sdepartment, more onto that than
any of us.
He came from a sheriff'sdepartment.
What's your thoughts Banning onwhen you get a sheriff's
department that is corrupt fromthe top down?

Speaker 6 (21:38):
It's tough and I can only speak on text, not on this
but it's even more tough whenyou try to recall an elected
official, and that's in a lot ofstates, you know you have
somebody in there that's notsupposed to be doing what
they're doing, it's.
It's tough.
You know, here in the state ofTexas, texas Rangers will get
involved, fbis can get involved,department of Justice, but that
type of invest in investigationgoing towards corruption is
very hard and I don't think itshould be that hard.
I think if you have reasonableand prudent people making an

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affidavit to fact fact and theinvestigation goes through,
there should be some type of lawthat we can put in there.
We have to remove a person tocreate that domino effect to
eliminate the entire corruptsystem based from the top down.
And I could talk about it forhours.
I don't want to bore people,but I'm right there with the
citizens that see this.
We have to remove that that.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
See this.
We have to remove that.
Somebody said I think that'sTrey's mic.
Mike, do you have your mic,your wireless one, connected, or
you got the laptop one?

Speaker 5 (22:36):
No, I got my wireless .

Speaker 1 (22:38):
You sure?

Speaker 5 (22:38):
I'm going to take it out.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
It's not terrible, it's picking up.
Feedback is all I can hear youtyping oh, my fault uh, so I I
don't have this questionhighlighted.
Oh, there it is.
Now I have it highlighted.
Uh, discombobulated said okayquestion have you not watched
dirty cops doing dirty shit andnot being held accountable?

Speaker 5 (22:59):
oh, this is like a cop.
Every people love asking thisone.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
This is this right yeah, so have we seen that?
Yeah, shit, let's talk aboutthe, the corrections officer
that just killed the dude inprison at the hospital.
Had they been held accountable?
Yet I don't.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
I haven't heard any updates he may be meaning like,
have you visually seen someone?
Like if you watch somebody putlike suck up on somebody, you're
just gonna let it ride oh hell,no, like yeah, so okay, I'm
gonna.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
I hate this question.
I get asked it probably threetimes a day, um on our social
media accounts how how many copshave you arrested?
Four, a lot.
I've arrested four cops 18years.

Speaker 6 (23:39):
Yeah, I've arrested four I.

Speaker 5 (23:40):
I've arrested four 18 years.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, I've arrested four, I've written up plenty.
And what does that mean?
That doesn't mean anything,that has no bearing, that
doesn't mean shit, that has nopremise on anything.
In my opinion, it doesn'tmatter.
The thing is, cops are fired,arrested and charged every month

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.

Speaker 5 (24:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Every month at least.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
Easily Big agencies for sure.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah, big agencies, definitely.
You just don't hear about it.
Why it?
Just Cops are doing their job.
Nobody gives a shit when copsdo their job.
When they do care is whenthey're perceived or that they
aren't doing what they probablyshould, or there's a really
damning video and theinvestigation's taking longer
than I think it should.

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I've arrested.
Oh, go ahead for I think thatright now, this is going to be
the hard part banning hold onhold.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
That thought, let dan , I mean right now it's so
comments like that that dirtycops get away with stuff.
I don't deny that probablyhappened in the 80s, maybe even
in the 90s, but you know, rightnow over 85% of police officers
have body cameras.
They record everything they do.
Everybody has a cell phone.
There's surveillance videoeverywhere.
So the idea that policeofficers right now are going

(25:04):
around the country doing illegalshit and it's somehow being
swept under the rug, thatdoesn't make a whole lot of
sense.
Did it happen 30 years ago?
Yes, but police officers havebody cameras and literally
almost everything is on bodycamera video.
Go talk to a police officer.
If they arrest someone and forsome reason they didn't run that
body camera, ask that officerwhat happens in court, because

(25:27):
those cases get dismissed.
And you know what?
They probably should getdismissed and that's exactly
what happens.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Okay, benning all yours brother.

Speaker 6 (25:37):
Unfortunately, in 21 years that I was in, I've
arrested cops for familyviolence.
I've arrested cops for DWI,dwis with major injuries,
serious bodily injury, in thestate of Texas.
I've arrested law enforcementbeing I'm not going to say the
agency, but it was transportingdope from border areas to New

(25:58):
York that happened to comethrough Arrested officers for
all getting together and justdoing illicit acts because they
want to make the excuse thatthey're not making enough money.
And guess what, if you can't dothis, go work at Walmart.
You're a congressman badge, butI've arrested too many to even
count and it's disgusting I meanyou lose sleep over that

(26:19):
knowing that they do the samejob as all of us doing this in
this forum right here, and it'sabsolutely disgusting.
And even though if we're outthere doing the right thing
every day in this amazingprofession, we're going to have
a very small percentage of usdoing the bad thing, and I think
we need to.
You know, somebody saidsomething about unlocking a
certain prison out in the oceanand getting it going again.

(26:39):
Why not fill that with friggingthe dirty cops that we have?
Yeah, and none of the doors getlocked and they all get to go
in there and process ofelimination.
I'll stop there.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah, I want to get to a plain Jane.
I'm going to assume it's a she.
She had made the point earlierabout getting an attorney, and I
think we were talking aboutlike, oh, you got an easy
lawsuit If the cop violates yourrights, plain your rights.
Plain Jane actually has a verygood point.
Court is it's a rich man's game.
If you can afford a greatlawyer, you've got a better

(27:13):
opportunity than those that geta public defendant.
I've seen it firsthand.
So you are leaps and boundsahead.
However, when you do have anopen and shut easy lawsuit and
these lawyers know it the goodones are going to work your case
for free.
So it's just a matter offinding the attorney you want
and showing them thatshow-me-the-money-easy case.

(27:36):
So, yes, plain Jane, youdefinitely make a good argument.
However, when we're talkingabout civil rights violations,
you're going to have the lawyersyou want.
You're going to be picking whoyou want because they're going
to be lined up, baby, lined up.
I will even suggest some fory'all If you hit me up and
you're like, look at this, andI'll be like, yeah, sue the shit
out of them, I got your back,I'll get you a good lawyer.

(27:57):
Let me see here Discombobulated, said.
It said why is your firstimpression of a person I'm going
to assume is a criminal?
That's speculation, bro.
That's not my first impression.
My first look may be like arethey doing something illegal?
Let me look into this.

(28:18):
Are they doing something thatthey shouldn't be?
It's my job.
I'm a cop.
I'm supposed to be looking forpeople doing illegal shit, um so
, but I don't look at peoplelike they're a criminal period.
Are there some cops to talk topeople like criminals?
Sure cat, what have you seen inthat?
Have you seen cops talk topeople like they're just

(28:39):
straight up criminals?

Speaker 3 (28:41):
so, honestly, I work with a pretty good group of guys
.
Um, I don't have to deal with,like, looking at watching people
do it.
You know, I don't hear it, Idon't see it.
Um, did work in a place where Iwas fortunate unfortunate
enough to see it a little bit,and this was, you know,

(29:01):
immediately upon hire.
Um, and checking somebody whenyou are a brand new cop is a
difficult thing to do.
But unfortunately,unfortunately, unfortunately, um
, I don't hold my tongue when itcomes to situations like that
because I've been on the otherside of it.

(29:23):
So, as a brand new rookie cop,I did check an individual.
After checking this individualthat had plenty of years on the
job, I experienced a little bitof a hell in my command.
But you know, these are brandnew people and they're viewing
you as someone new and not noteven just looking at the

(29:47):
situation that just happened.
They are looking at it likethis is the cop that we've known
forever, so we're going to backhim.
And it wasn't until, I guessyou know, the house of cards
fell that they started torealize.
Like you know, maybe this girlhas a little bit of a head on
her shoulders- yeah, HarrisonBrock said Daniel, many cops in
Kentucky do not have bodycameras.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
There are many bad cops there in Kentucky, but we
also have good cops.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
So I think that's a really good point.
And you know, the last time Ilooked at this was about two
years ago and the last numbers Isaw is that 80% of police
officers around the country havebody cameras.
That was two years ago.
I can only assume it wenthigher from then.
I don't know anything aboutKentucky I've never been to the
state of Kentucky.
It's my opinion that all policeofficers should have body

(30:34):
cameras and that they shouldrecord every citizen contact
that they have while they'redoing a law enforcement activity
, while they're working.
I do think it's important tosay that if, for some reason, a
police officer doesn't have abody camera, it doesn't make any
sense to blame the cop.
You have to blame thepoliticians who actually manage
and run police departments.
That's whose fault it is.

(30:55):
If there's a crappy body camerapolicy, it's not the police
officer's fault.
It's up to the department tomake it a good policy that says
that not only that makes it sopolice officers have to wear
body cameras, but also thatpolice officers it tells them
when they have to have to to torecord interactions with the
public.
Um, so yeah, I think everyoneshould have body cameras for
sure.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, I agree.
I cannot believe that there'scops that are still out there
without body cameras Um.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
I wouldn't go on duty if I didn't have a body camera.
Hell no, I panic't go on dutyif I didn't have a body camera.
Hell no, I'd panic To go outthere right now as a cop without
a body camera.
I think is nuts.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Mr Bill Fultz said what fucking planet do you guys
live on?
You think bringing suit againstcops is easy?
Lia just had a federal casedismissed because of qualified
immunity.
You are assuming we're talkingabout personal lawsuits.
I'm talking about just suingthe department.
You do not need qualifiedimmunity protection when you're

(31:52):
suing a department and those arewon in settlements every
fucking day.
So, um, that's the planet I'mliving on.
I have seen, I've watchedpeople make go ahead.

Speaker 6 (32:06):
They're actually one outside of court a lot for, for
amounts that never get released.
You know, is that, is thatdetermining guilt, does it not?
I have no clue.
I haven't.
I haven't personally seen acase like that where somebody
gets sued, but I get to hearabout it and read about it,
where it gets settled outside ofcourt.
Um, and you know, these, thesedepartments are writing checks

(32:28):
all over the country, uh, forfor things that have maybe done
wrong or they just don't want,don't have the money to go to
court, and they're they'rewriting a check for stuff to go
away.
And do I agree with that?
No, but it's that's.
That's not my side of what I dowithin law enforcement.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Right, right, some of these NorCal Press Cops hate
the public.
Come on, that's a lazy argument.
Don't just make general vaguebullshit like we're not going to
partake in the trolling.
That's just dishonest.
It's just not true.
Here you have a panel of copsthat have volunteered their time

(33:04):
, their money and their effortto have these conversations and
provide a platform like this.
That's never been done and iscontinuously growing and getting
better and trying to bring inmore and more people to help
bridge that gap.
And then you're going to comein here and just generalize that
cops hate the public.
Come on now.
Generalize that cops hate thepublic.
Come on now.

(33:26):
Oh shit, I just had one.
I'll go to click on a commentand then somebody else comments
and it disappears on me.
Let's see.
What did Mr Belford say?
He said the municipal immunityand officers are indemnified.
That's a big word for me,daniel.
What does that mean?

(33:46):
You're a lawyer.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
I don't know, what that means.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Indemnified means that the police officers are
protected.
Basically what that means islet's say there's a lawsuit
against a police officer andthere's a judgment of $5,000
against that police officer.
Indemnified means that the cityor the state is going to cover
that $5,000 against that policeofficer.
Indemnified means that the cityor the state is going to cover
that $5,000.
So on the police side, it'sgood to be indemnified because

(34:11):
that means that essentiallyyou're protected by your agency.

Speaker 5 (34:14):
Gotcha Okay, but they still get the money regardless,
though you just want it to comefrom the cop rather than the
department, exactly cop ratherthan the department exactly.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Well, the idea behind it is that they think if the
cop is sued personally, thenthey won't be likely to do what
they're doing.
They think that they can dowhatever they want because
they'll have the immunity.
Where I'm trying to tell peoplelike they'll still get fired,
they get fired left and rightfor less, for stuff.
I guarantee that you would belike why'd they fire that cop

(34:44):
for that?
You, yeah, for real?
Uh, so I don't know, like Iguess it's all on your view like
we're in a fishbowl, we us ascops, like you know, we see it
one way because it's just, it'sjust natural for what we do and
that's kind of what the point ofthe show is.
We got people from outside ofour fishbowl saying the way they

(35:07):
see it, and it's very hard forcops to see outside of that
fishbowl because theyimmediately get defensive, which
I understand that.
But you can't just dismiss whatpeople say simply because they
don't share the same point ofview as you.
But we are 35 minutes in, we'refive minutes past what we

(35:27):
normally do, so we're going togo to our body cam video part
that we do and we'll continue tohit the comments and stuff like
that.
So here comes the trolls.
And qualified immunity.
Cool, guess what, chuck Bronson, you're not saying anything new
.
Yeah, correct, that's not thediscussion for tonight, but I'm

(35:51):
not going to let you think we'rejust ignoring you.
I disagree with endingqualified immunity.
I do think it needs someamending, but getting rid of it
no.

Speaker 5 (36:03):
You can't do the job without it.
It's impossible.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yep, it was created for a reason, so we'll just say
we'll just leave it at that.
But I want to get to the otherpart of the show.
That is why people also like totune in.
We watch body cam videos thatwe've never seen before and in
that we pretend that we are thecops in the video.

(36:27):
Now we're not Monday morningquarterback and we don't go
through the whole video, watchit and say, oh, the cops should
have done this, should have donethat.
We go through and you kind ofget to see how police training
goes, how we think.
We are all different peoplefrom across the nation and the
way we train is different, butwe all tend to try to get to the
same result, so there'sdifferent paths to take to all

(36:50):
reach the same goal.
It's kind of interesting.
So, mr Billfold, I'm going topunch you.
Mr Billfold, he's my buddy, sothis seems to be a favorite
thing of people.
Uh, captain, smoke wagon.
I am.
Tonight.
I am drinking a new bottle thatI've never had smoke wagon.

(37:13):
So shout out to them.
They are not a sponsor.
Um, they continue to.
Uh, they know, they know, theyknow that I drink smoke wagon on
every live stream, but theycontinue to slow.
Play me.
Eric is paying the light billfor smoke wagon.
Yeah, I am definitely payingthe light bill for them, but

(37:34):
Chuck said thanks for calling mea troll.
Nice, did I call you a troll?
I don't think I said ChuckBronson is a troll.
I didn't say that.
I'm just like you shouted andqualified immunity when we
weren't even talking aboutqualified immunity.
So what was your point otherthan trolling?
That's, that's.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
It's pretty easy to see through, bro, anyone who's
got immunity doesn't understandwhat qualified immunity is.
They think it's immunityagainst being fired, against
being charged by the locals orthe feds.
Anyone who knows what qualifiedimmunity is knows that getting

(38:17):
rid of it literally wouldn't doanything.
It's a ridiculous thing to say,and real quick.
Like you said, eric, it's likeif a cop does something so bad
that they're violating rights,they can get fired, they can be
prosecuted, they can lose theirpension.
Ok, like the penalties that youmight get from a civil lawsuit,
a couple thousand dollars isliterally the least severe

(38:38):
penalty for doing somethingshitty and violating rights.
So if people are like, oh, copsdon't care, they're not held
accountable and they're justgoing to do whatever they want,
but the least severe penalty,that's what's going to stop bad
cops Again, I don't understandthe logic behind there.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah, see, and for those that were wondering, one
of the people that I was goingto have on the qualified
immunity show is Daniel.
He's our pro, so, but we wantto have him go against a person
that is a pro in the oppositeside of that, so we can have a
fair debate and get both sidesof those out there.

(39:18):
So that's the idea.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
Whatever I said about credentials, that happens a lot
.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Discombobulated.
Yeah we'll go to that quickBefore we get to the video.
Man, this is the hard part.
I want to get to the videosbecause there's a lot of people
that want to see the videos, butthe big part of the show,
what's actually kind of takenover, is just talking to you
guys and answering yourquestions.
Andy Fletcher thinks you'reridiculous, by the way, daniel.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
So hey guys, Well, I'm on just about every single
social media channel, so find meover at Police Law News and we
can go ahead and debate thisstuff.
We'll do it next time, beforewe do videos.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Hell yeah, I just want to say we do have a
celebrity in the audience, guys.
The one, the only, vaughn Kleem.
Mr Billfold, you might want toget your mop handy, because I
know how much Von Cleem hasturned you on.
So he loves Von, he loves Von,he loves him.

Speaker 6 (40:19):
I don't know who has more of a man crush, Eric or Mr
Billfold.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, all right, guys , you know I don't let you just
get away with anything.
Who's lying?
He's not a pro, he's a liar.
Who's lying?
There is nobody on my panelthat comes up here and lies.
If anything, we're just wrong.
But we aren't lying.
We may think we're right Shit.

(40:44):
I've said stuff I thought I wasright about and he goes.
I'm out, vaughn.
But who's lying?
There's nobody up here outrightlying.
That is being you're beingdishonest.
You're being dishonest.
That's not what we're doing uphere.
We might be wrong, but we arenot lying to you.
Tim Owen said now wait just aminute about that DEA agent who

(41:08):
was speeding in a residentialarea and killed an innocent
woman and claims qualifiedimmunity.
I don't know that one.
Oh Trey jumped off.
I don't know that one.
I can't really Does anybody.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
I don't know that case either.
But listen, qualified immunityis a protection against personal
civil lawsuits.
Qualified immunity does notprotect police officers from
being disciplined, fired orprosecuted.
So again, even if, for somereason, that cop got qualified
immunity, all it means theywould be protected from personal

(41:42):
civil lawsuits, no protectionfrom anything else.
And I think, if we're going tohave a conversation about this,
people should at least be honestabout what qualified immunity
is.
Pretending that it's protectionfor everything is not reality,
and I think reality matters.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
I agree Mama G said for crying out loud.
I'm of the opinion this is notsupposed to be a hate chat.
I'm here trying to understandhow cops think Knowledge is
power.
Agreed, yeah.
So listen the trolling andstuff you guys.
I let the chat rule themselves.
I don't kick anybody out unlessyou become racist or cause for

(42:20):
violence the only two things I'mgoing to kick you out for.
So y'all police each other.
I'm not.
I'm going to police you like Ipolice the public, unless I've
got a complaint and I don't care.
That's really how it rolls.
All right, I'm going to get to avideo.
Let's go First and foremost.

(42:42):
It is all from policeactivities youtube channel.
So make sure you guys go topolice activity youtube channel.
That's at police activity.
All one word.
Um, I am going to show it here.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, sharescreen.
There we go.
Um, I'm gonna hide the chatoverlay for a second.
While we do this, let's put usall alongside here.

(43:03):
So this is where we're gettingall our videos from.
Tonight.
Guys is police activity.
They are the shit.
3.36 million subscribers mightas well add yourself to the list
if you're not already on there.
They show the raw body camfootage with no interruptions
unless a fucking YouTube ad popsup, and that's how we like it.
So, without further ado, we aregoing to go to our very first

(43:26):
video, which we haven't watched,we don't know what it is, and
we're going to break it downwith y'all.
So we're going to biggie sizethis guy and let's go, and let's
go.
I'm going to pause that so wecan read it.
238 PM.

(43:47):
Officers responded to asuspicious person call in
Fairlakes.
An unknown caller madestatements to our dispatch
center that he had killed twopeople.
Okay, so just knowing that, kat, you know you're going into a
call where a person justadmitted to killing two people,
yep.
So how are you responding whenyou get there?

Speaker 3 (44:08):
um, I am arriving, I'm gonna try to look for cover,
um, ascertain exactly wherethis person is and, if I have
enough time to wait for backup.
He's I mean said he's alreadykilled two people.
You're gonna want as manypeople there as possible with
you and then I'm gonna get outof the car and start looking

(44:30):
okay, banning.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
How about you, buddy?

Speaker 6 (44:33):
same thing.
I mean you have a lot ofdifferences between municipal
and county and you know if at mylast agency, if I was sent that
call, I'm going to be goingthere by myself about a thousand
square miles.
We're going to try to get morebackup there.
I'm going to go up there and ifI can lay eyes on the person
and effectively communicatesafely, I'm going to do that.

(44:55):
Unfortunately, with calls likethese, I mean sometimes we have
mental health, a huge problem inthe United States.
You don't know if it's going tobe that or not, but we just try
to establish the mental healthof what's going on.
But obviously I mean he'sclaiming what would
unfortunately be.
It's a felony person.

(45:20):
If I've identified him as theone that called 911, I'm going
to detain him because of the youknow, considered a rage estate
statement of committing a murdertimes two and figure out what's
going on and we're going toalert our CID and get other
agencies involved if needed.
But try to find out where thesevictims are If there's one
still alive both still alivehopefully to where we can render
aid.
I mean it's going to be thebasic one-on-one investigation
to start off on this.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Gotcha.
Now, for me, the part that I'lladd on is that I work for a
municipality, so I've got theluxury of having backup, you
know, 30 seconds a minute away,at all times.
So for me, I'm going to get thecavalry there.
Hey guys, let's all meet up atthis point and then move in
together.
So that's going to be.

(46:02):
I'm not going to be.
I'm going to be in a rush toget to the scene, but not in a
rush to get into the scene, ifthat makes sense.
So once we all arrive, we'llstart making a game plan.
I'm going to pull up GoogleMaps on my way there and try to
figure out how we can preventanybody from getting out of the
area and then also figure outthe best way to approach it,

(46:26):
because this is not a normalcall.
When you hear that somebody'scalled in because they've killed
two people, I don't know that.
I've ever had that call.
I've never had that call,daniel.
You've ever had that call?

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Never had that call.
Only thing I would add is, ifit wasn't said before, you
definitely want to have dispatchrun that phone number, see if
it comes back to anyone, see ifyou can figure out who this guy
is before you make contact.
And then I worked in the city,not in the county, so kind of
the same thing, eric.
It's like there would be nosituation where I would take a
call like this where therewouldn't be a whole bunch of

(47:01):
backup.
Um, you want to try to get eyeson the person before they get
eyes on you.
Use time, cover distance.
You're not in a hurry.
If you need to use PAs to togive the person commands, that's
the kind of stuff you do.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
But you know what.
At some point you just got togo in and earn your paycheck.
I'm going to assume that thisis.
These types of calls tend to belike a mental health thing, so
Banning, I think you pointedthat out.
Somebody else in the comments Ithink it was Tim Owens was
saying thank you for the mentalhealth, and mental health should
not be a death sentence.

(47:36):
Agreed, I don't know any copthat goes in just wanting to
kill somebody.
The only one that I may have anexception for is the dude that
killed the boiling water lady.
I really feel like he wanted tokill somebody uh yeah, that
fucking dude.
Um, so, with that said, oh,steve wallace, shut man, almost,

(47:58):
steve.
Steve Wallace almost missed hisfirst episode.
He's never missed one, yet it'shis first.
I've seen his comment.
So, uh, he was, he was waiting.
We had so many people logged on, he's waiting for his moment.
Welcome, steve, appreciate youbrother.
So, um, okay, we, we've onlygot seven seconds into this
video, so let's see what happens.
Oh, I see a guy in a hoodie.

(48:21):
Oh, there he is.
Okay, I'm gonna pause that.
Okay, now we have a knife.
This is a deadly force situation.
Yeah, um, I don't think and I'mjust gonna speak for everybody
real quick there's not a singleone of us right now, with just
two officers, that would go to ataser here.
Tasers will fail and this is arough, approximate stat here.

(48:45):
40% of the time they're notgoing to work and when they rush
up on you, time and distance isa factor and you are not going
to have your taser out at thebeginning.
If anything, you have your gunand then you drop back down to
your taser because you'veassessed the situation.
We didn't have time to do that.
We already knew this was adeadly force situation because

(49:09):
of the call details.
Two people were killed, so I'mgoing to guess their guns were
out.
My gun would have been out, um,in in the ready low position,
uh.
And now you got a dude bumrushing you and I don't even
know.
We saw the knife in the camera.
That doesn't mean the officersaw it, so anybody on the panel
got anything different on that?

Speaker 5 (49:31):
no, yeah, I agree with that you better rookie, but
you, it's not much you can do,man yeah, yeah, I'm telling you
right now.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
I am the type of person like going against guns
feels safer to me than goingagainst knives.

Speaker 5 (49:47):
Yeah, logan, that's probably true.
I guess the only thing I wouldsay like I mean just to play
devil's advocate it's like whyare you pursuing though you know
what I'm saying?
What crime has occurred for youto pursue, like, what is your
exact reasoning for that?

Speaker 1 (50:01):
right, yeah, yeah, exactly.
And then sigma lord said stayin the car and hit his ass.
Uh, that would be an option ifyou knew that that guy was even
involved.
But they're out on the scene.
Look, that police car is parked.
They've been there a second.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
Yeah, they've probably been there.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
So you know, it's not like they just rolled up,
stopped because they saw thisguy in a hoodie.
I bet he just all of a suddenfucking appeared.
So let's keep going here.
Oh Lord, he's scrambling.
I am not ashamed to run.
I have run from a knife before.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
It's called a tactical retreat.
My guy.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:44):
Yeah, not running.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Fuck y'all, I'm running.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
I'm out.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
I ran an entire block To get away from a dude.
Before Ran an entire block,somebody just tried to jump in.
Uh, oh, hasht, I stand withAlan Nelson Guess who's here?
Guys, alan's in the background.
Um, so for me, uh, alan, feelfree to show yourself too, by

(51:12):
the way, but um, for me, I'm.
I'm sprinting straight line,zigzag and whatever it is, I am
sprinting away from this dude.
I have done it before.
I've done it from knives, I'vedone it from, um, what do you
call those things that whenyou're cooking in a grill?
The big two-pronged pokey thing?

Speaker 5 (51:28):
oh, yeah, that's.
I mean, that's the same thingas a knife.
Yeah, yeah you know what I'mtalking about yeah, they'll go
right through a vest.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
No dude chased me with that.
I was out.
He wasn't catching me, bro, I,I seriously, yeah, yeah, I.
I ran a whole city block.
I was out.
I turned around.
He is bent over tired.
That's why I run long distance.
People are like when are youever gonna run a mile?
I'm like you never know.
I'd rather be able to run, runa long way and tire you out.

(51:58):
I like the wolf approach man.
They wear their prey out.
You're chasing me.
You're going to earn it.

Speaker 5 (52:06):
Cops are not equipped to deal with mental health
crisis or mental health issues.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Where do you see that one?
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, NorCal Press Cops are notequipped to deal with mental
health issues.
Y'all don't have the demeanor.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
So my question is this right, some don't, because
we, that's true, that's verymuch the truth some don't.
So, most departments, probablyin the in the country, but for
sure in california, the bigdepartments we have, uh per
clinicians which are licensed,licensed clinicians and they
deal with, um, people like whoare experiencing mental health
crisis, but they're not going togo talk to somebody holding a
knife, bro.
That is the reason why policeare there to begin with.
We have to make it safe forpeople to speak to.

(52:46):
So you say you don't wantpolice there.
Who else do you send, like, whoelse is going to go out there?
You're going to get a doctor togo talk to somebody with a
knife?
No, it's not going to happen,bro.
They're not going to go do it.
It's the reason why they haveus do it.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Yeah, absolutely yeah , it's.
There's Alan.
What's up buddy?
What's up guys?
Mr Bill Folt was missing youtonight.
So yes, I do agree there's.
I will say there's a lot ofcops that aren't fit to deal
with mental health crisis, butthen again, that isn't our

(53:23):
primary function.
Our primary function is lawenforcement.
Does it benefit us to be ableto handle that stuff?
Absolutely?
And I think the more lawenforcement progresses, the more
we learn about mental healthcrisis shit guys.
We just got rid of.
Crisis Shit guys.
We just got rid of in the grandscheme of things, we just got
rid of nut houses or whateverthe hell they used to call them.

(53:46):
You know what I'm talking about, but think about that, eric.

Speaker 6 (53:51):
At least the state of Texas is moving towards law
enforcement to be the new mentalhealth advocate, and we have
done a hell of a lot moretraining in the past 15 years to
help equip veteran officers allthe way down to rookies.
But you're exactly right, thesefederally funded and
state-funded mental healthfacilities have dwindled and now

(54:12):
it's up to a county jail, whichis not a suitable place to
truly take care of somebody formental health, and it's
disgusting.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Right.
How are they working mentalhealth stuff where you're at kat
?

Speaker 3 (54:25):
so, honestly, there's a lot of different things going
on.
Um, they have these clinicsthat you could kind of go into,
they medicate them and then theysend them out.
There's like the halfway-ishhouses that that house them hold
on, hold on, before you go toofar.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
So are you talking like you as a cop?
You run across the guy that youknow is a notorious um
schizophrenic and you recognizethat he's off his meds.
So you guys actually have afacility you can take him to get
his meds put in.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
No, no, so there's places that they actually live
kind of like a group home.
I don't know exactly what it'scalled.
Okay, they actually live kindof like a group home.
I don't know exactly what it'scalled, but they live in these
places.
I know what you mean, um,usually for low income, but the
everybody that lives in theseplaces, they have psych issues,
so when they leave, there'sdifferent, different ways that

(55:14):
you know you could go about it.
Um, there there is this thingthat we can actually take them
in based off of observation thatthey are either off meds or, if
they say anything suicidal,homicidal, any of those things.
But it has to be imminent.
It can't be like, oh, I want tokill myself and they say it in

(55:35):
banter or whatever.
You have to be able toarticulate like, yes, they said
that and I believe it to be trueand this is why.
And you can actually take themto get a psych evaluation and,
while you don't really get theoutcome of the psych evaluation,
but they're there for a while,a lot of times we do medicate
them and usually it's prettygood when they give them like

(55:59):
intravenous medication.
If it's something that theyhave to take daily, then this is
somebody that you're just goingto see again and you're going
to kind of go through the wholething all over, all, all over
again with them and kind of takethem back to get another psyche
valve for the same medication.
Hopefully the doctor gives themsomething intravenous.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Yeah, I think one of the big things to point out in
policing is that when we dealwith somebody like that that is
a frequent flyer, constantmental health issue off of their
meds, which usually is thethat's the reason for most of it
, or it's drug induced and theyalready have a mental health
issue is they commit violentcrimes.

(56:37):
And an officer, even if theyknow that that person's having a
mental health issue, safety andsecurity come first and we get
put in positions where they'relike, well, he had mental health
issues, fair, but we are notgoing to take that chance.
And that's where the debatereally starts to happen is how

(56:59):
much can an officer, how muchshould an officer, have to put
up with?
And then what the public tendsto see it is we need more
training on that stuff.
Well, how many different hatsdo you want your police wearing?
Do you even want your policeshowing up?
If you don't want the policeshowing up, who's going to show
up?
What do you got Trey?

Speaker 5 (57:18):
Tim Owens got a cool question.
Where's he at said that youshould have licensed clinicians
oh yeah, so a lot of there isswapping.
They have licensed conditions.
They're not swat officers, butthey're like a third party that
is contracted out and they maywork with a swat team, bro, but
at the end of the day, thesepeople cannot interact with
somebody who has a gun, bro,like they had.

(57:40):
That has to be addressed first.
Before you can talk to somebodyabout their mental health stuff
, you have to address the gunfirst to make it safe to even
let that person speak to them.
You can't just go in there, puta vest on and like, bro, that's
crazy, that's what people areasking us to do.
Essentially.
That's not how it works, bro.
That's not how it works.
And you also got to understandsometime that there is no

(58:02):
magical words that can getsomeone in handcuffs at times,
like you can try all you wantand sometimes the words just
don't do it, bro.
And at the end of the day, ifyou have to make someone go from
point A to point B and theydon't want to go, you have to
make them go.
So uh it.
I know people wish that.
You know you put a conditionout there and they're going to
have certain words to do.
I've seen it in front of myeyes, bro, if somebody doesn't

(58:23):
want to go, they don't want togo with the program, they're not
going to go.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Yeah, daniel, you keep shaking your head.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
What you got, man, when Trey said there are no
magic words.
That's a phrase I use all thetime, so I love it, man.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
That's 100% correct dude, maybe you taught that
rookie something.
Maybe he didn't know.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
No.

Speaker 6 (58:45):
I didn't think so I think he's just a smart guy.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
That's 100% correct, though there are no magic words
For everybody watching.
I want to go through years ofexperience so you guys can kind
of see when you hear one ofthese officers say something,
when you hear somebody on thepanel say something, I want you
to understand that their yearsof experience and what they're
saying behind why they're sayingwhat they're saying, it's going
to be different.
What Banning says is going tobe different from what I say.

(59:10):
Banning's got more time as alaw enforcement officer.
I've got 18 years.
Banning, how long have you got21?

Speaker 6 (59:16):
years and four years Marine Corps before that.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
So you got that, Kat.
How long have you got?

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Seven years.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
Daniel 20 years and a law degree.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
There you go.
Trey, Three years, Rookie asfuck.
Alan, 16 years Now knowing thatguys, here's the other
difference.
I work in a city that's got amillion to 1.2 million Banning.
How many did you have in yourcounty?

Speaker 6 (59:41):
A.
I work in a city that's got amillion to 1.2 million Banning.
How many did you have in yourcounty?
A little less than 14,000.
Before that I was at amunicipality for about 70,000
people.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
So he was dealing with some country shit out there
.
Kat, how many do you think yougot where you're at?

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Yeah, I'm not even going to make up a number.
A lot, millions A lot Daniel.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
What about you?
600, A lot Millions.
A lot Daniel.
What about you?
$600,000.
Okay, and then Trey.

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
I'm in a pretty big city too, up in the millions for
sure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Millions See.
Fucking crazy Alan.
What about you, buddy?

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
I'm over there.
We're banning that smaller sideof it.
I think our county is like15,000.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
So that is, we're trying to give you guys across
the nation experience across thespectrum as far as how many
people and calls they've had hadto deal with the quickness that
they have backup available,like banning and alan didn't
have backup regularly available,where the rest of us all had
backup just around the cornerall the time.

(01:00:45):
That makes a difference on howwe look at calls and how we
handle calls.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
So let me ask you this question so if y'all are
going to take somebody in for amental health evaluation, say
you make that determination thatthey need help.
How far away would you have totake somebody?

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
If you are on the farthest side of town, maybe 20
or 30-minute ride, maybe 45 iftraffic's real bad.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
So once we would make a decision like that in my
rural part of the state of TexasI could be in the car one way,
maybe three hours.
What?

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Yeah, three hours, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Because we don't have that kind of facility in our
area, and so we would have totake them to the nearest.
You know, like once you gotmental health involved, they
would have to try to find ahospital that had a bed open,
and they would call all over thestate.
I had been um, so I live nearthe Lubbock area.
I've been all the way toWichita falls and Abilene.

(01:01:50):
I've been to San Antonio fromLubbock to take one person to a
mental health facility.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Yeah, um, norcal press.
Uh, he hit my heart on this one, so I had to show this.
Every cop should have a minimumof a purple belt in brazilian
jiu-jitsu.
Um, I lean on a blue belt yeah,purple is kind of.

Speaker 5 (01:02:09):
That's unreasonable.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
I'm a purple belt, um , but I I think minimum should
be blue.
But I'm with you.
I understand where your heart'scoming from.
I wish I could make it be apurple, but I think a blue is
more realistic and somethingthat departments should pay for.
But you're 100% right.
You want to lower use of forcesfrom police.
Make them be mandatory.
Blue belts in BrazilianJiu-Jitsu From a reputable gym,

(01:02:33):
not some McDojo.
I've been rolling since 06,baby.
The only reason I'm still apurple belt is because I can't
stay consistent enough becauseof shift change and I'm still in
the military and I got kids, soit's just excuses, but that's
why I'm not a black belt.
Somebody else said Tim Owens.
So we're still talking aboutthe mental health side.

(01:02:54):
So Tim said this is an issuefor me that scares me personally
.
I've been diagnosed withpost-traumatic stress, ptsd as
I'm sure many police officersand military veterans have.
But my concern is that if I'mhaving a mental crisis, I don't
want to have to catch a bulletto end it.

(01:03:14):
If there is a different outcomethat sometimes maybe our police
officers aren't looking forthat.

Speaker 5 (01:03:20):
There is a different outcome that sometimes maybe our
police officers aren't lookingfor that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
I want to put your mind at ease that I think that
PTSD has been beat down inpolice officers, military
firefighters, every firstresponder you can think of.
It's been beat down in theirhead the last 10 to 15 years and
we can thank the war in Iraqand Afghanistan that's been

(01:03:43):
going on for the last20-something years.
They brought a lot of that tolight.
That spilled over into thefirst responder world and a lot
of us military that had all thatwe brought it over into the
police world.
So if there's one thing I'mreally confident in these days

(01:04:03):
is anytime we deal with somebodythat has PTSD Me personally
I've dealt with several militaryguys or other first responders
that have had crisis and beenable to help them out, been able
to talk them down Banning whatabout you being a Marine?

Speaker 6 (01:04:20):
You know PTSD I.
I refuse to put a D on it forfor many reasons and I believe
it's a lot easier for the yourwife would get mad about that
yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Sorry, I couldn't resist that you put it out there
bro.

Speaker 6 (01:04:35):
You know and I and I truly, truly believe through,
through time, proper therapy,that the majority of folks can
can truly get help on it andprograms are getting better.
But I'm seeing much betterprograms that are privately
funded or 501C3 from anythingthat the VA has to offer and
anybody that's connected to meon LinkedIn.
If you're a peace officer,normal person that's got a

(01:04:57):
regular job, I don't care whatyou have.
There's a lot of programs outthere that people don't know
about and I get on a high, so tospeak, naturally helping people
to get into these rightprograms.
A lot of them are free, to nocost or they'll just bill your
insurance if you have some typeof insurance.
If you don't have insurance,there's other programs out there
for that and they don't getadvertised enough because

(01:05:17):
they're a 501c3, nonprofit oreven some of the for-profit ones
that are lower in cost, onlybecause they can't afford that
overhead of getting stuff outthere and doing the SEO controls
on Google and whatnot.
I've got a slew and a list.
So if you're connecting me onLinkedIn and you want some of
that information, you need somehelp.
I get literally hundreds ofmessages a month where I can

(01:05:40):
direct guys and gals that aregoing through these problems,
and I love doing that.
Uh, there are a lot of programsout there that people don't
know about and I'll be happy toshare with whoever, because
mental health is a major dealthat we are not, as a country,
uh, dealing with properly rightnow.
It's, it's, it's very sad.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
All right, all right, um wanted, before we finish
this video.
This is what happens to us allthe time.
I promised I would get fasterat showing the whole video, but
your guys' questions areimportant.
Plain Jane said damn it,where'd it go?
I told her I would fucking haveit too.
Something about cops knowing theConstitution.

(01:06:19):
Oh yeah, there, there it is.
Why don't cops have to know theconstitution?
They do, absolutely, um here,daniel, I'm really gonna want
your input on this, but I'mgoing to kind of lead the way I
think officers are taught theconstitution absolutely.
That is at every police academyacross the nation.

(01:06:43):
The problem is is theconstitution says one thing and
now they have to apply thatpractically to situations that
are not clear.
So when they get out there andthey're like all right, sir, um,
I was called here.
They said there was asuspicious person here.

(01:07:03):
You're the only person I see.
I'm going to need your ID andhopefully at a good academy they
would have covered somethinglike that.
You don't have a right to IDthis person.
However, there are some verypoorly trained academies still
out there.
Guys, we've seen them.
We've called them out.
On this show a lot people arelike well, it's clear that it's

(01:07:25):
in the constitution.
Well, no, that's not clear inthe constitution.
It's also not very clear toofficers, unless they've been
trained properly, that that'snot a reason to id.
So it is not as easy as youthink.
Just because you know theConstitution and then you start
to deal with situations in thefield.
And I would challenge anysingle one of you that think you

(01:07:48):
know the Constitution insideand out.
I will put you throughscenario-based training and then
you tell me if you're going topass it because you know the
Constitution, now you got toremember.
If you think you're uphold topass it because you know the
Constitution, now you got toremember.
If you think you're upholdingthe Constitution and you still
have legal things that you aresupposed to do, you're still

(01:08:10):
upholding the Constitution, butyou have legal obligations.
I want you to navigate those.
It's a pain.
It's not as easy as it looks.
I promise it's not as easy asit looks.
I promise it's not as easy asit looks, daniel.
Tell me what you got, buddy.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
Yeah, I think that's a really good point that there
is a difference between taking aconstitutional law or having to
write a constitutional lawessay in law school, where you
have some time and you can thinkabout it.
And there's also a differencebetween when you're sitting at
home from the comfort and safetyof your own house, you're
watching body camera video andyou already know how it's going

(01:08:46):
to end, being able to say that'swhat the cop should have done.
That's different than being apolice officer in the moment,
where you may not know all ofthe facts of the case.
You may not know everythingthat someone else might know
once the case is done, becauseyou're watching a video that's a
week old, so in the moment itisn't always as clear.

(01:09:07):
And just like you said, eric, Ithink it's really important
that police academies it'simpossible for them to go over
every single possible scenariowith an officer in the academy
during training, with an officerin the academy during training
what police academy should tryto do is really try to teach
these concepts to policeofficers.
And also one of those conceptsis that it's okay to take a

(01:09:29):
break, it's okay to ask for help, it's okay to ask questions
Just because you're out withsomeone and you're not sure
whether and you're not sure it'sokay to ask, it's okay to stop
and not everything has to be 100miles an hour and I think that
you know when police officersand I think in more experienced
police officers do know thatkind of stuff.

(01:09:49):
And yeah, someone said in thecomments that police officers
need more training.
I agree.
The issue is that more trainingand you know better training
and better cops that takes morefunding and unfortunately, maybe
not the person that comments,but a lot of the time, the same
people criticizing policeofficers for saying that they're
not trained enough are theexact same group of people who

(01:10:10):
are also on the side ofdefunding police, which makes no
sense.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Right, and you know, I think I like the name DB, the
Irish guy.
I don't know what DB stands for, so I'm not going to make any
assumptions, but it says if it'snot clear means no arrest.
Agree, yeah, I mean suspectcase, make a report and don't
arrest A hundred percent.
And I like what Daniel saidthere and I think what he was.

(01:10:35):
The way I interpreted it isslow the fuck down.
There's there's no need to cometo a decision, but cops get
pressured.
So this is another thing toconsider.
Like a city like mine, if I golog in right now, there's 30
calls holding for service, likejust on one side of town, and
there's like seven sides of townwhere I'm from.

(01:10:55):
So you know what I mean.
The pressure from your bossesand shit is like get out there
and answer fucking calls.
The citizens deserve that.
But at the same time they'regoing to get pissed off at you
because you're taking more timeon a call than what they think
is necessary.
So that's what we run into.
That's the battle as cops.

(01:11:16):
And before I get to the video,like I said I'm going to do 10
minutes ago Sigma Lord,associate's degree in law
minimum Fine, but you got to paycops for it.
That's the trade-off.
Everybody that wants.
There's people that want copsto have a law degree.
There's people that want copsto have psychology degrees.

(01:11:38):
There's people that want copsto have English major degrees.
They want them to haveconstitutional law, specific
degrees, whatever I guess thatcovers under law.
But you want them to have thestuff.
That's great you got to paythem you have to make.
You can't expect somebody likeBanning, who's working in a uh

(01:11:58):
you know, for a sheriff'sdepartment, making fucking forty
thousand dollars, fortythousand a year, whatever the
fuck you're making, banning, I'mjust throwing that out there.
Uh, how are you gonna get himthat degree?
How are you gonna get, how areyou gonna convince somebody to
go out and get that degree whenthey can go get a job anywhere
else with that same degree,making a fuck ton more being a

(01:12:19):
legal helper?

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
Daniel, what are those called those legal?

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
helpers, paralegal, paralegals, there you go, that's
what I meant.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
I was one of two cops in my state who had a law
degree and the law degree costsix figures.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
So again the idea that all police officers should
have to get a degree that costssix figures to go work as a
police officer.

Speaker 7 (01:12:50):
That's not a reasonable thing to say.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
I got you.
Okay, let's get to this fuckingvideo.
Let's finish this son of abitch.
Let me get this off here, tim.
We'll get to your comment.
I promise, buddy, you wrote alot so I don't want to let it go
to waste.
Damn.
Okay For me.
I'm telling you, I'm running,I'm pushing off, I'm trying to

(01:13:14):
make him fall, I'm not going tomy gun, going to your gun is
going to get you killed here,guys.

Speaker 5 (01:13:18):
Yeah, you're too close.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Yeah, Trey, what do you got bud?

Speaker 5 (01:13:22):
In the part where he was wrestling with him.
You got to just fight that out.
It's too close to shoot.
And your partner can't shoot,because that's I mean, unless
you're a pinpoint sniper bestshooter in the world.
Yeah, maybe, but that's kind ofso close now you got to kind of
fight that out All right, kat,you're his partner.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
You see your boy wrapped up and you're responding
from over here by the car tocome help him.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
What is your move here?
So unfortunately I don't wantto be within that 21 feet right,
it depends on like what stagein the fight is he.
Is he able to kick off andcontinue running?
If he is, then we're going tolet him do that, rather than
approach and be mixed up in thismumbo jumbo and get stabbed too
.
If it turns to the point wherehe does stab him, then

(01:14:12):
unfortunately I'm going to haveto go lethal.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Okay, it's unfortunate.
What if?

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
you don't have a shot Of what do you mean?

Speaker 5 (01:14:19):
Size 9.
?
What if you don't have a shotOf what do you mean Size 9.
?

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
What if your partner's in the way?
What if your partner's betweenyou and that bad guy?

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
Then we're going to have to brawl.
But the thing is he's got aknife.
So rather than him get stabbedand me get stabbed and then we
have to fight with stab woundsand then possibly use
tourniquets and stuff like that,it's probably going to be
lethal.
If I see him stab my partner,it is Gotcha.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
So I will say for me, if my partner is wrapped up and
I have a position of advantagefor moving in to just, you know,
try to use a Brahma bowl,attempt, come up, give a good
front kick, come up, justshoulder check, whatever I can
do, because I can't risk a shotNow.

(01:15:09):
This is going to be thedifference in years of
experience.
Kat, it's not that youranswer's wrong.
I don't think that yours iswrong.
It's just in my time and seeingstupid shit like this where
you're like you're fucked allthe way around, it's just in my
time.
And seeing stupid shit likethis where you're like you're
fucked all the way around, itdoesn't matter, you're effed all
the way around.
So what I would be doing if I'mclose enough, if I can get him

(01:15:30):
off my partner without you knowgiving up that element of
surprise, I may just come up andtry to go for just an old
fashioned body check or fuckingold school Goldberg his ass if
anybody remembers a little bitof WWC wrestling where you spear
him or a contact shot.
That's not off the table either.

(01:15:52):
It's really hard for yourpartner.
This guy's going to behyper-focused on the partner.
He's not going to see youcoming.
That's the hope.
Anybody got anything else to addon that?
No, okay, let's keep going.
Oh, he thought he was still inthe car.

(01:16:14):
I'm going to go back a littlebit.
Look where he looked when heran up there.
He's got that shysty mask on,you little bastard.
So he runs up and he looks intothe driver's seat.
He was trying to ambush himthat way.
That threw him off.

(01:16:35):
Okay, this officer, he didexactly what I would do, except
he tried to do some juke moveshe wasn't ready for.
I would have bolted, I wouldhave been gone.
I've been running the 40 rightthen and there Banning.
What do you got?

Speaker 6 (01:16:52):
If that's my partner or a civilian that's dealing
with that guy with his knife,I'm going up there and get
wrapped up.
That's what we took notes to do.
I know that not everybody wouldanswer with that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
Um, I've got a little bit of power behind me I was
gonna say let's, let's be honest, banning six foot nine and he's
900 pounds.

Speaker 6 (01:17:08):
So shit, I wish, uh, I'm gonna wrap up with him.
You know, if you, if you gottago point blank, deadly, to
protect a life and you know Imean communication is obviously
we're not at communication stagehere this is a deadly force
scenario and I hate to see that,but uh, you're gonna have to
stop it right then and there.

(01:17:28):
And if you got to come up pointblank to get that the thrusting
of the knife to stop, then wehave to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
Um, and it's unfortunate yeah, so I mean, I
didn't even mean to pause ithere, I just hit the space bar
on accident.
You've got no shot, you can'ttake that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
Not from there, but that's why I said it depends on
where they are in the fight.
If it's something where he'sclearly over him and stabbing
him like and I should alsomention like I've seen something
like this, which is why Ianswered the way I did yeah, um,
it depends where they are inthe fight.
If they're like this, I'm notshooting.
There's no way, because all ittakes is a little bit of tango
and you got the wrong personyeah, and and this is a good,

(01:18:08):
this is okay.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
So for people, I wonder why cops are so paranoid.
Sometimes I mean, look thisdude, this is an ambush, this is
what he was going for, guys.
So when it's not ridiculous,when people go on, if you're so
afraid, why do you do the job?
Like, look look at the weirdshit we got to deal with.
Sometimes I'm not, I'm notsaying this happens every single

(01:18:30):
day, but when you get thesevideos thrown down your fucking
throat all the time, like thisis what the paranoia starts to
come from.
So you guys know me, I'm gonnacall out bad police all the time
.
We're always gonna call themout.
But I also want to bridge thatgap through the understanding.
Like, listen, we're alsoshowing these videos all the

(01:18:52):
time too, where cops areconstantly getting ambushed and
and have to deal with weird,crazy scenarios that the general
population I'm not includingour audience, because crazy
scenarios that the generalpopulation I'm not including our
audience, because our audienceis not the general population,
but the general populationdoesn't see or hear about this
stuff.
They're not like us, guys,they're not like you in the
audience right now, they're notthe ones that have these videos

(01:19:19):
where we're watching hundreds ofvideos of shitty cops and we're
watching hundreds of videos ofcop police work in general,
because on my feed, myalgorithms they're trained to
see cops doing good work andthey're trained to see cops
doing bad work.
And then I would say, nine outof the ten videos I end up using
on TikTok and Instagram andwhatnot are from y'all.
Y'all send them to me.
So please, I implore you,please, send me some of the good

(01:19:42):
cop videos, guys.
You do send me the bad ones allthe time and I try to hit each
one, but I want to be a littleeven, guys.
There's a lot of good copvideos out there.
I find them myself.
Change your algorithms up alittle bit.
It's all I'm asking.
So let's keep going with thisvideo here.
Okay, we still are not in aposition to shoot.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
No, that's what I'm saying.
This is too much.
They're all over the place.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
All over the place.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
So here, daniel, what do you got man?
What are you?

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
thinking right now, what's your move?
I mean you, absolutely, youguys are right, right, you,
absolutely, right now, do nothave a shot.
You have, you have to get inthe fight.
Um, you don't have a shot fromwhere you are and that backup
officer isn't doing any goodfrom 10 feet away yeah yeah,
yeah, you look at the parkingspots and the vehicle.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Yeah, that's probably a good assessment.
I would say seven to ten feetright there, um, um.

Speaker 6 (01:20:40):
I mean, I mean here's here's the deal, eric, and I'm
going to bring this up because,unfortunately, I've been in
these.
I've seen so many unfortunate,you know, law enforcement get
like oh God, what do I, what doI?
And as you're doing that inyour head, people are freaking
dying.
You've got to get in there andact.
I don't care if it's a policeofficer you're protecting, I
don't care if it's an old ladywalking down the street to a guy

(01:21:01):
crossing the road with hisfamily and they get wrapped up
in something like that.
You have to go.
You don't get zero time to act.
You've got to go up there andstop that threat, just like the
school stuff.
You know that's our friggingjob.
You go up there and act.

(01:21:22):
And I understand that.
The shot where he's standing atno, I'm not going to take that
shot either.
I'm going to close that gap andwe're going to get point blank.
We're going to get up close anddirty and we're going to stop
it.
I don't care if I got to splitthat spine to make sure nobody
freaking gets hurt.
Yeah, and I know people don'twant to hear that and oh my god,
that's mean.
And here's the deal.
This, this dude's going aftersomebody with a knife.
He's already made a claim ifthis is the same call, because
we've been on it for an hour anda half that he's killed two
people and that's what lured lawenforcement there to begin with
.
I hope to God there's not twopeople gone, but we have to stop

(01:21:45):
this and we have to get inthere, point blank range and
stop this, and we have to beable to articulate it afterwards
.
I mean, that's what our job isand it pisses me off, man, that
I see so many videos like this.
People are like, oh God, get inthere and freaking, stop it,
stop that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Where your partner doesn't die or somebody on the
street doesn't die, there's onepoint in that, right there,
where he looks up at his partnerand he's like are you coming?
The guy falls to the ground.
There was that moment to closethe distance.
It's kind of even when thetaser is being used, when people
fail to respond when it.
Could you know when it's thatmoment to get get the advantage.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Yep, but let's talk about police training in general
.
Guys, are we ever we're nottaught?
I've never been taught.
Run up there, contact shot.
What are we taught?
Distance is your friend, it isbeat into your head.
Taught.
Distance is your friend, it isbeat into your head.
Distance is your friend.
This guy's fighting every yeah,this guy's fighting every

(01:22:48):
instinct that he has, that he'sbeen trained.
And we're sitting here likeI'll run a bottom, like I
sympathize with him becauseyou're fighting training you're.
That mindset goes against theway that we're trained, because
there's no scenario where thishas ever been trained in a
police academy.
So that's just something toconsider.

(01:23:09):
So I want to get to Zach'scomment, because it is I 100%
agree, and I bet Daniel's allover this one as well Cops
should be more well-versed incase law that determines how to
interpret the Constitution.
That is how you learnsituational applications of the
Constitution and I could notfucking agree more.
I get so frustrated with copswhen they do not keep up to date

(01:23:34):
with case law.
This is why you see so manycops like you can't film me and
they're on a public sidewalk.
You know why you see so manycops like you can't film me and
they're on a public sidewalk.
You know why?
That is Because they haven'tkept up on case law.
Go ahead Daniel.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
They're sitting in their car watching YouTube
videos of people doing it thewrong way.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Right, yeah, daniel, come on, buddy, I know you got
something on this, I don't haveanything else to add?

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
That's 100% correct.
Okay, so you agree.
I agree with the comment 100%,yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And Zach, you want to helpimprove policing.
Case law study is one thingthat policing significantly
lacks in.
We do not keep up with case law100%, bud, and it drives me up
the wall.
I could go out and ask Now myguys, the guys that work for me

(01:24:26):
I am still a field supervisor Iwill hit it at roll call.
Okay, hey guys, you pulledsomeone over and you want to get
them out of the car.
What is your justification fordoing that?
Like, I will nail them withcase law all the time.
They know pennsylvania versusmims.
They know marilyn v wilson.
They know fuck.
They probably know roe v wade.
They know all these case lawsbecause I am constantly trying

(01:24:47):
to keep up with case law stuff.
Um, and it's hard, it's not aneasy thing to do because there's
there's no like one.
I use police one a lot for mycase law stuff, cat.
What do you guys use for yourcase law?
Do you guys get any case lawupdates?

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
oh, they, honestly they don't do it for too much.
They hit just the major casesthat we apply, you know, every
day, but like they're, theydon't fit it in where it should
be fit.
And so, for example, when theydo the scenarios and everything
where it could be spoken upon,it's like a perfect opportunity

(01:25:23):
to like match the case law tohow we apply it.
But unfortunately we don't.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
We don't have that yeah, that I mean we're
discussing a major flaw inpolicing right now.
Zach, you brought it up, sokudos to zach.
I mean, and kat is not at a,she's at a major department.
I'll just leave it at that.
She's at a big place.
We lost Trey, that son of abitch.
This kid was probably cryinghow about for you?
The?

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
kid stole the Wi-Fi.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
Yeah, alan.
How about for you?
Like, was case law somethingthat was kept up where you were
at, or was it something you hadto do on your own?

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
I had to do on your own.
I had to do on my own.
I actually had one of the besttrainings of my career, was like
a just knock and talk training,and at first when I went it was
like why am I going to this?
And the instructor kind ofbroke it down and explained to

(01:26:17):
us that we don't need to justknow the case law from our
region, we need to know what'shappening from the regions
around us, because even if we,you know, here in Texas, don't
see in the second district court, you know how things are
affecting us it's eventuallygoing to trickle down to us, you
know, 10 years from now.

(01:26:38):
Now, and I didn't see that inthe beginning of my career, but
by the end of it it was like,yeah, it did, that's you know.
And so we have to be aware ofhow the laws affect everybody um
, there, where's that comment?

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
uh, and I don't know how to say your name.
Never I'm going to say it.
That's the other thing.
Bad cops don't care about anyeducation.
They only care about what theycan impose on citizens.
Sorry, I was reading anothercomment.

(01:27:15):
I don't agree with that.
I think bad cops oftentimeseither one think they're in the
right, two don't know what to do, and then ego takes over.
And that is where I think thebad cops come in is they don't
have the ability to recognizewhen their shortcomings are

(01:27:36):
hitting.
When their shortcomings arehitting, they don't recognize
they're emotionally vulnerable,emotionally vulnerable and their
emotional intelligence sidetends to lack and stuff like
that.
So Daniel had to go, guys.
He said he had to take off.
He'll see us next week, but Iwish I would have known, I would

(01:27:59):
have let him say goodbye.
But make sure you guys check outPolice Law News on TikTok, on
Instagram, on Facebook, on allthe things Police Law News.
So but yeah, my personalthought on bad cops is it's they
already have shitty training.
They don't know what to do.
Their ego takes over.
It's not that they just want tocome out there and be an

(01:28:20):
asshole.
I don't think.
I think that is the 0.00000001%of people.
That's the freak anomaly thatgets in, but I do think the
majority of the bad cops that wesee on video has a lot to do
with ego taking over and notknowing what to do well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Added to that, I think it's uh followed from
their environment to like who istraining them?
You know field training.
You know their, their badhabits that they learn from?
Yeah, are.
Are they required to havepressed uniforms and things like
that To look the part, or arethey able to look like they're

(01:29:02):
not playing, you know?

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
It leads into everything.
Look at the video of thatinmate that was killed.
There was not a single personthat looked shocked At them
beating the shit out of that guyhandcuffed.
That tells me that that's theculture Of where they work.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
Yeah, it looked like a they work.
Yeah, it looked like a regularday.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
Yeah, it looked like just any other day.
Yeah.
And I'm like I think that waswhat Benny and I first cued in
I'm like nobody's.
Like if it had been me, I'dhave been like like my first
reaction would have been therewould have been some movement
out of my body, like what thefuck are you doing, dude?

Speaker 6 (01:29:49):
he's handcuffed.
Like what are you doing?
Like that would have been myfirst reaction.
Nobody moved, fucking crazy.
Hey, eric, just hey, I'm gonna.
I'm gonna segue for one seconddisclaimer.
Not a medical doctor, not atherapist.
I've seen a lot of shit in mylife, but here's banning's
opinion.
I started this in 2002 and I'mgoing to talk about mental
health.
At that time frame, it's after9 11.
We have a lot of people that goin to their general
practitioner, whatever it is,their local, their local doctor

(01:30:12):
their insurance takes care of orwhatever they can see, and
unfortunately, this is banning'sopinion.
Okay, but these doctors, whatthey do is here's a symptom,
here's a pill, here's a symptom,here's a pill.
And we all know that.
We see these commercials everyday on social media, on our
frigging television screens.

(01:30:32):
Everything coming in pipingthrough our phones is you're
feeling like this take this.
And then the little sideeffects that you hear for 30
seconds after they tell you allthe good about the pill.
And this is just Banning'sopinion.
I think big pharma and they'reprobably going to come bust in
my friggin hotel door and takeme out tonight for saying this
Don't get Clinton.
They, they, they, they betterfriggin bring an army, because I

(01:30:56):
hit pretty hard.
But all I'm saying is is wealways talk about oversight for
law enforcement, which we haveto have.
That Where's the friggingoversight other than this minor
oversight from the DEA for thesepill doctors that are pumping
all this stuff into these people?
And they only came in with aminor depression, which we all
get.
We all get the anxiety, we allget the depression and instead

(01:31:16):
of saying let's look at yourdiet, let's look at what's going
on, naturally, to find out it's, it's and I'm not trying to use
SSRIs to be also known as Xanaxor other other things for any
depression and you look at theside effects on this and it's
turning a lot of people intomonsters.
Again, this is opinion based,but looking at this for 21 years

(01:31:37):
and where mental health was atwhere I was at in law
enforcement to where it's atwhen I just recently got out,
it's atrocious and I think weneed to focus a lot there,
because this country is incrisis when it comes to mental
health and these doctors that'swhat they've been taught.
I'm not mad at the doctors, butit's pill for a symptom, pill
for a symptom, and then you'vegot a 30-year-old guy that maybe

(01:31:59):
had four years in the militaryand he's taking nine to ten
pills to start his frigging dayand side effects have gone
everywhere, creating a wholedifferent personality.
And then sometimes it ends upjust like this video and that's
not the person that was born.
It's doctor-induced, bigpharma-induced and I'll get off
my soapbox but it just pisses meoff to see all this stuff going

(01:32:19):
on the street and I believe alot of us to do with your
frigging, local frigging pillmills and it just pisses me off.

Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
Hey, buddy, I like it .
I like when Bannon goes off thefucking rails.
So I'm going to stop sharingreal quick.
Because we got on the topic ofego, I want to put this out
there real quick.
I want you to see my facecloser so you know how serious I
am.
The place that I work we havedeveloped a course for officers
that is based around ego.

(01:32:48):
The course is about officer'sego and I told all of the team
today I'm going to bring theinstructor that created this
course.
He created the course basedaround all of our talks on Two
Cops, one Donut about ego.
So the show has created acourse for a major department

(01:33:08):
about cops and their ego and howto see the warning signs and
how to deal with it, and for howother officers to see an
officer's ego taken over and howto step in and stop that from
and squash it from happening.
So I am going to do a miniseries on our YouTube channel
about how cops can recognize theego and how to deal with it, so

(01:33:30):
you can see police trainingthat's very progressive and that
is developed specificallybecause of what you guys have
pointed out in this show.
It's going to be a mini-series.
So every time we post a videoabout a cop and his ego, now
we're going to reference thatdepartment.
When we see it, we're going tobe like, hey, you obviously have
a problem with officer ego atyour department because of this

(01:33:52):
video.
We're not just going to pointout your problem, we're going to
offer you a solution.
Go to the Two Cops One DonutYouTube page and you will see
the mini-series on how to dealand train your officers with
their egos so it doesn't becomea problem.
So we're not just talking aboutproblems, we're offering
solutions.
So I'll go back to that video.
I just wanted to put that outthere.

(01:34:13):
I thought that was cool, Ithought it was different,
something that isn't being done,and I think it'll be.
We'll see how it goes.
Um, shit, where the video go.
Oh, here we go, all right andplay sit down, you stuck, give

(01:34:37):
me your hand did anybody elsesee him get shot?
I didn't see him get shot.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
Mm-mm.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
I'm gonna go back.
Please deal with this.
Okay, didn't hear a shot.
Oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, ohshit.
Okay, he's reaching for his gun.

(01:35:08):
Here you stuck I didn't hear it.

Speaker 5 (01:35:16):
I think it was happening when he was wrapped up
with his arm in it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
You all right.
I thought I heard a gunshot.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
I didn't hear it.
Yeah, I think you're right,though I think it was while he
was wrapped up.
I think that's why they pausedit while he was on the draw.
Right, I'm going to pauseBanning's back in, so I'm going
to bring him back in.
He had to reconnect.
He scrambled draws right here.
I think this he makes a contactshot.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
we just right about where he gets to that next white
line probably right there, wejust can't hear it I think he
hears you stuck.
No, because he's up in thejacket you all right damn, yeah,

(01:36:14):
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
I didn't hear or see anything.
Um, okay, all right, let's goto the next video.
Share this one, play and biggiesize Boom.
Sixth floor.
Oh, we've seen this?
No, we haven't.
Never mind, I thought this wasthat case one.

(01:36:37):
Chicago police, chicago police.

Speaker 7 (01:36:38):
Chicago Police.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
Oh, chicago, yeah, what's going on?
Nothing.
Whoa what's up.
All right, that happened quick.
I think, officers, when we'reat our most vigilant is in a
doorway.
Mm-hmm.
Kat, what do you got you comingup to a door?
We don't know what the call is,but does it matter?
We know we're knocking on anapartment door.

(01:37:02):
How are you approaching that?

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
Knock and back up out that doorway to the left or
right, but don't stand directlyin front of the door and I'm
usually going to wait forsomebody to open the door for me
.
Even if I see that cracked alittle bit, I'll give it a
little bit.
It takes 10 seconds for them tocome to the door.
Then it takes 10 seconds unlessI hear somebody like asking for
help or something you know.
I'm gonna wait till the personcomes to the door, but I'm

(01:37:28):
standing cantered off to thesides okay um banning.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
What do you got on that?

Speaker 6 (01:37:33):
same thing.
You know same thing.
We all know that that's thefatal funnel.
So we're gonna go up there,we're gonna listen, we're gonna,
we're gonna use all our othersenses other than vision if we
can't see it.
Obviously, if we hear somethingthat we have to make entry,
we're going to go in and facethat, but again we don't know
what the call is when we getthere and we're trying to hear,
we're trying to listen, we'retrying to get dispatch to do
callbacks, get as muchinformation as we can, you know

(01:37:57):
I'm not gonna say that thisofficer did something wrong, but
that's where I'm at on it yeah,um, and for me, uh, being stuck
in a hallway with nowhere toretreat, like that's a big
concern for me.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
So if I get presented with a threat, before I even
make contact with the door, I'malready considering these things
.
So for you guys listening thatdon't do police work or you're
kind of wondering, like what'sgoing through our minds, like
I'm already considering placesto retreat, if I get stuck in a
position, if you look at wherewe're at, we don't really have

(01:38:31):
anywhere to go.
I'm not going to out.
Yeah, where's my out?
That's a good, good way to putit.
Where's my out?
I don't have an out here andI'm not going to backpedal.
Backpedaling is one of the waysthat cops get killed the
easiest, because we end uptripping over our feet while
we're fucking in panic mode.
So in this position I'm notseeing much option.

(01:38:53):
This dude's probably going toget shot.
So I can see a big-ass bladealready.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
I think it's second nature for all of us, especially
after experience.
You hit a door and it moveslike that your your hands
already coming with a gun out ofyour holster, like it's just an
innate reaction of like doorsdon't just open for you.
In law enforcement Generally,you know we're taught that bad

(01:39:23):
things happen on the other sideof the door.
I'm going to let the doorbreathe and that's what happened
.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
Yep, we're getting more comments about ego, zach
said.
I couldn't agree more about thecomment about ego.
So it's number one red flag ofbad cops is if they have an ego,
and I agree.
That is when I'm looking forguys and girls on my team.
That is the first thing I'mlooking for.
Do they have an ego?
I don't mind arrogance.

(01:39:52):
There's a difference.
I can deal with a cocky officerbecause they think they know
everything, fine.
I can deal with thaty officerbecause they think they know
everything, fine, can deal withthat.
Mine is the fragile.
You know I think it was plain.
Jane said especially thefragile ego, yeah, yeah, the
fragile guys that they can dishit out but they can't take it.
That's how I start screening mypeople.

(01:40:14):
If we're in roll call and youcan dish out the, you know the
insults all day because that'show roll call goes.
But the moment somebody throwsone back at you and you get
pissy, that's a huge red flagfor me and that is my way of
screening my people safely.
So I don't have to screen themwhen they're dealing with y'all,

(01:40:35):
and no one's ever taught methat.
It's just how I've learned it,um, through my experience.
So I, I, I give that freely asa tool to anybody else there
that has uh, to deal with.
Um, you know public safety andand and do what we do.
Start screening your guys andgirls.
Sorry, kat, we're not used tohaving girls on the panel.

(01:40:55):
So okay, cat, from yourposition, what ego's got to be a
thing you see as a female cop?
quite a bit yeah, um she's likeI don't want to fucking say
about it I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
I mean, you can do it as much as you can so it is.
um, I think guys start torealize when they do have a
female officer on scene that cantalk to people.
Um, sometimes sometimes thingsgo a little bit smoother.
I feel like sometimes, when men, you know you're you're going

(01:41:36):
to a call, somebody's alreadyupset and then you have a man
show up and man man, sometimesit's a little bit of a
testosterone battle.
It's just what I see.
Sometimes it's easier for themto talk to me, other times it's
not.
But yeah, I do see the ego comeout and then when they don't
want to talk to each other, thenyou know it's a war of words

(01:41:56):
and we're not getting anywherewith a war of words.

Speaker 1 (01:41:59):
Yeah, yeah, I see, I see, when I you know in that I
think that takes a goodsupervisor I won't even say a
good supervisor, an involvedsupervisor should be out there
with their people and be able tostep in when they can.
If they see the ego start totake over, that's their job.

(01:42:20):
We're all susceptible to it,guys.
So everybody out there is likecops with egos.
Don't belong.
Listen.
You have an ego.
Everybody gets an ego.
We all do.
It's just a matter of how faryou let it go, and is anybody
around to keep it in check?
I have had my officers lettheir ego get the best of them
and all they do is put a hand ontheir shoulder.

(01:42:41):
Hey, I got it.
That's it.
Step back.
Nope, no one's violatedanything.
You're just talking like.
You're starting to talk like anasshole.
It's my turn, let me take over.
You got emotionally invested.
You let your ego take over.
Whatever, it is my job.
Now I'll step in, or yourpartner steps in, or whatever it
is when I think it comes with,uh, the situation too.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
You know you might be having a bad day and your
sergeant does a good job ofsupervising that.
You know that's when I want tobe pulled off.
If I cross that line, becauseit happens to all of us we all
have a bad day and all of asudden it slips out and you're
like you know you don't catch it, but somebody beside you is
like hey, let me, let me starttalking yeah, uh, no, lease it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
My sergeant keeps me in check and hot situations has
kept me from getting complaints.

Speaker 6 (01:43:32):
Nice, you know, let me, let me you know for the
other officers that are that arewatching this out there,
because I've done this just as aslick sleeve and that just
means a patrol officer.
I've got a corporal sergeantand a lieutenant, usually on
shift.
This is back in my municipaldays.
But how many of you have thefrigging cojones to pull a

(01:43:53):
sergeant out?
I've pulled sergeants out, I'vepulled lieutenants out, because
ego becomes an effect and Idon't care what your rank is,
but it's your frigging job toget in there and stop that.
You may get fired, you may getput to the side after the
investigation.
You're going to get reinstatedbecause you're doing the right
thing.
But ego has no frigging rank.
Sometimes it's it's it's goingto call upon the highest ranking

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guy there and and he may not bethe person for that rank and he
attained it for whatever reasonand his ego gets the best of
him, that slick slaver, thatofficer, even though he may lose
his job.
It's their job to stop that,eject it from the situation to
whatever's causing the frictionif it's that ego and I've done
that.
So don't be afraid to do that.

(01:44:37):
I'm going to tell you right nowdo not be afraid to stop your
supervisor If you see that egogoing to check and it's about to
be a force on force situationbecause of that mouth or that
attitude that he's bringing tothe scene.
Get him out of there.
I don't know.
You got to call above.
Get a call, you know, callsomebody else get that SOB out

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of there.

Speaker 1 (01:44:58):
Trying she's a young officer too pulls her sergeant
out because he's he's going toohard in the paint on the the
suspect in the back seat and helike fucking chokes her, like
grabs her by her throat, pushesher back.
Oh, would you fucking tell mewhat to do?
And um, you see officersstanding by in the moment like

(01:45:18):
not doing something, and there'sa lot of people like why the
fuck didn't any of those otherofficers do anything?
And do I have a right as acitizen to do something?
I think Mr Bill Foley broughtthat up earlier like no, you,
you cannot get involved in thatas a citizen.
If you see that happening andthere's a bunch of cops around,
like if you want to get involvedduring that time, that there's

(01:45:39):
a bunch of cops around, like ifyou want to get involved during
that time, that that's when youneed, you want to be a help, go
become a cop, like that's whatthey're certified to do.
That's just the way the law is.
So you know, I understand thewant to help and do I think
you'd actually get in troublefor trying to come to an
officer's assistance that'sbeing assaulted by another cop?

(01:46:00):
No, but I don't recommend it.
I don't want to put yourself inthat position.
I wouldn't.
I wouldn't recommend that.
So, um, but in those situationswhere you see a under officer
trying to you know, a lowerranking officer try to do
something to a higher rankingofficer, like that's few and far

(01:46:22):
between, doesn't happen often,I don't, I don't.
My guys, they know, they knowhow I am They'll pull me and say
, hey, sarge, like I don't thinkthat's quite right, like you've
been out of, you haven't been apatrol officer a minute, like
that's you know, and I minute,like that's you know, and I get
caught up in that.
I like the way we used to dothings isn't how they're allowed
to do things anymore.

(01:46:42):
So occasionally I'm wrong.
But they come to a sergeant no,no, no, it's this way now and
I'm like, oh, okay, that makessense.
I remember that now.
No ego, get rid of your ego,even as a sergeant.
Get rid of your fucking ego.
So, oh shit, write, crispy,maintain your bearing.

(01:47:06):
The only power people have overyou is your reaction.
Let your coworkers know not todo unlawful stuff.
Falsify reports in front of you, in front of you, or you'll
report it.
Be strong, agreed, agreed.
That's a good comment.
So with that, let's keep goingwith the fucking video.
Guys, completely understand.

(01:47:31):
You got that.
I consider that suicide by copcat.
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
I agree.
I mean what?
What?
There's nothing else that youuh what do you?

Speaker 1 (01:47:45):
do yeah I mean the whole, even for those that
aren't in police work.
You probably heard of the 21foot rule.
We're talking five feet.
That that guy was and that'sgiving a lot of grace.

(01:48:05):
That was probably two to threefeet, but there's nowhere to go.
The elevator door is shut.
You got nowhere to retreat toguys.
That guy wanted to be shot,that's all there is to it.
That is a suicide by cop.
From here we're going to gointo life-saving measures.
We got to secure the knife andthen go into life-saving

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measures 10-1, shots fired.

Speaker 7 (01:48:31):
10-1, shots fired.
Shots fired.

Speaker 1 (01:48:37):
Full disclosure.
I didn't look at the alcoholcontent in this new bottle I got
and I'm like I'm getting alittle slurry and I'm not
normally slurry after what I'vedrank.
This fucking thing's at likealmost 60 percent and I I just
looked down.
I'm like god, why am I like?
Am I turning into a lightweight?
No shit, strong.

Speaker 2 (01:48:58):
I can't show you what I'm drinking.
Mr Balefold's not on here tosupport me.
Did he get?

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
off.
I haven't seen him in a while.
He hasn't been talking Actuallyhe wasn't here.
I can message him.
I'll be like where are you at,you drinking Malibu?

Speaker 2 (01:49:18):
Yeah, baby and Dr Pepper.

Speaker 6 (01:49:22):
I'm just drinking some Embassy Sweets coffee.

Speaker 1 (01:49:26):
Yeah, I'm sure.
Yeah, you lying asshole.

Speaker 3 (01:49:29):
Probably sparkling water.
There you go there you go Kat.

Speaker 1 (01:49:34):
you're so lame.

Speaker 6 (01:49:36):
She got some Everclear in there.

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
We just talked about that.

Speaker 1 (01:49:41):
Right, all right.
We've got multiple angles onthis, so we're going to watch
the next body.
Cam Dang, your boy came out ofthe elevator like Kool-Aid man,
smiling, call the police.
Okay.
So him pushing the door open,ban, open, banning is that legal

(01:50:03):
?
Can we do that?

Speaker 6 (01:50:07):
so the door is already ajar.
So there's, there's a.
There's gonna be a lot ofcomments.
I'm not going to like I saidI'm.
I use a different thoughtprocess and a lot of officers.
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna listen.
If we gotta, you know, stepback at dispatch, take that time
to make the call.
Hey, law enforcement, that'syour door.
Come out and speak to lawenforcement.
Time is on your side at thispoint, before he opened that

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door.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, butright now, time's on your side.
Listen, find out what's goingon.

Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
Yep, tim Owens brought up a cool question he
said so I have a question.
We've just seen this cop unloadI'm guessing 10 rounds into
this guy.
Rightfully so, I get it.
But if, as a civilian, I shootmore than once in the same type
of situation, I'm looking atpossible possible prosecution.
Right, shut up, cat.
Not in Texas, brother, comedown to Texas.

(01:50:59):
You're definitely not lookingat prosecution for shooting more
than once.
I can't speak for other states.
I can only tell you about Texas.
It's what's reasonable.
Did you fire 10 rounds in twoseconds?
That's totally possible, by theway.
No, it's when the threat stops.
He's got a knife and he'smoving forward.

(01:51:19):
You got nowhere to escape.
It's very easy to articulatethat that's reasonable.
So people get focused,hyper-focused, on the amount of
rounds, and but they don't shootguns.
They don't understand that youcan fire five rounds in a second
.
Some people can fire more thanthat in a second.
That's not even enough time foryour brain to process if that

(01:51:43):
first shot did anything.
And you owe the person that'scharging with a knife nothing.
You owe him nothing to shootone time to see if it did
anything.

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
It goes back to that same thing.
We were all taught when we wentthrough driver's ed of the
reaction to hit the brake.
You know it's the same thing.
When you're taught when we wentthrough driver's ed of the
reaction to hit the brake, youknow it's the same thing.
When you're firing a gun,there's still that reaction time
of I've got to stop and itstill keeps happening until it
stops, and so there is a delayyes, um, sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
I was texting um mr billfold on instagram trying to
tell him I'm like where the hellyou at so somebody said he got
mad earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
So he said he was leaving I think he gets upset.

Speaker 1 (01:52:29):
So he's, he's, he's awesome, he's awesome.
He just has a lot of emotionand he's invested into what
we're talking about.
So rightfully so yeah, yeah,and he gives himself time to
cool down because he comes back.
He's come back before.
So, it's fine.
Let me see here Drinking is theonly thing that makes average

(01:52:52):
people tolerable.
Oh man, listen, this is myweekend.
I do this because you guys arefun and I have a good time while
we do this, so let's keep goinghere.
Oh, you run right into this guy, so that's another factor to

(01:53:14):
consider.
You go to backup, you're tryingto get out of the way and you
meet a wall.
Well before you expected tomeet a wall, kat, what do you
got?

Speaker 3 (01:53:24):
I mean, if somebody's right behind you and then you
feel that resistance and youdon't have the option to back up
, what you can do becomeslimited.
So if I had the idea to run andretreat, I don't have that
anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:53:38):
So, it ends like this Yep, nightcrawler, come on,
nightcrawler retreat.
I don't have that anymore.
So yeah, it ends like this yep,um, night crawler, come on,
night crawler.
Um, that cop broke into hisapartment.
Any reasonable person wouldcome to the door armed when they
hear a voice inside their home.
Don't pretend you wouldn't dothe same thing if they was in
your house.
Listen, that guy was waiting.
He left his door.
Oh, nobody leaves their.

(01:53:59):
You go down this hallway.
You show me how many open doorsyou find.
You're going to find none.
He left his door openintentionally.
All that cop did was just pushit open.
He didn't break any sort ofthreshold.
So that whole argument, that'sdishonest.

(01:54:22):
The guy was waiting.
You know he was waiting.
It's different if you'resitting on the couch and you
hear somebody like hey, police,it's not that he's in your
apartment.
The first thing you're gonna belike did I fucking leave the
door open?

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
the cop just just didn't get off that elevator and
go to a random door yeah, therewas a call there, man like come
on now.

Speaker 3 (01:54:43):
I don't know, have any of you guys ever like
answered your door with a knife?

Speaker 1 (01:54:48):
never, no, no, not unless I mean it just depends on
the situation.
But in this particularsituation, no, I don't.
I don't think that that was anormal thing, and then usually
usually just thunder andlightning yeah, and then let's
go into reasonableness okay,that goes back to my comment
earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
Manning, just because you have a double-headed axe
doesn't mean that the rest of usdo right so and let's go into
reasonableness.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
Like you see three uniformed officers and you're
just going to continue to gooutside your apartment and
charge them with a knife, Comeon, Nightcrawler, I expect
better man.
Put up a good argument bro.

Speaker 2 (01:55:32):
He did break.
Okay.
I see he said he broke theplane, okay, but it was well
after the doors opened and hedidn't cross that line.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
No, no, you're going to go knock on the door, bah,
bah, bah, bah bah, or just pushit.
You still have the right totouch the door.
You're not crossing thethreshold, no right to touch the
door.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
You're not crossing the threshold, no, and then that
goes back to articulation ofyou know this is what happened.
You know it'd be different ifthey barged like, went all the
way into the residence right,then found him yeah, there was
nobody walking into the houseout at him like yeah and and uh,
who was andy fletcher?

Speaker 1 (01:56:20):
no, not andy.
Harrison brock said I'veanswered the door with my sbr.
I have too.
I, I absolutely have answeredmy door armed um.
But the question is you assess,you check out the situation?
It has to be reasonable, guys.
No matter what happens, it hasto be reasonable.
That to be reasonable, that'show it comes down in the court

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of law.
It's got to be reasonable.
You're not going to win theargument of reasonableness when
you've got three officers thathaven't come into your apartment
, that are standing at the doorbecause they were called, and
you charge at them with a knifeoutside of the house.
So why do so many cops sticktheir foot in the door and
refuse to get out?

(01:57:03):
That is so rude.
Not only is that so rude, thatis illegal, that is breaking the
threshold and that is violatingyour civil rights.
That is a specific scenariothat we train in my academy with
our recruits.
We have a loud music party Imean insane loud music party

(01:57:29):
inside of a little hiddenvillage or city village that we
have inside of our policeacademy, and the whole point is
to frustrate the officer.
Just sit there.
Not let them ask any questions,not let them say anything.
We just keep talking over them,we turn the music up and we
keep trying to shut the door intheir face, and we try to trick
those recruits into not lettingus shut our door.
That's a scenario we do andthat's what all police academies

(01:57:50):
should do.
Kat, did you guys get that one?
No, you didn't get that one.
No, oh shit.
See, guys, it's a good one, itis a good one and it's a common
thing.
Cops are not allowed to breakthat threshold.
They got to have a warrant,right, so in my opinion, that

(01:58:10):
should be.
Can I legally let my dog bitethem and get away with it If
they come into your housewithout a warrant?
Sure, but not standing at thedoorway.
You can't let your dog go whilethey're standing at the doorway
.

Speaker 6 (01:58:25):
So, eric, I've stuck my foot in two doors, but here's
the articulation.
My first one was in 2003.
Knocked on the door, gentlemancame to the door, opened the
door.
Didn't know it was lawenforcement, just didn't have a
reason to think law enforcementwas coming over.
And he had a mobile meth labthere getting ready to pack up
into a car and everything was inplain sight along with the

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smell of a recent cook Door.
Was stopped, got a warrant,didn't enter the house, secured
everybody.
Second one stuck the foot inthe door because they opened it
and as soon as we opened it wesaw a bloody female sticking
halfway out in the living roomand halfway in the kitchen.
And we had articulable to toleave the door open.
So officers that do do that,they're obviously they're

(01:59:07):
seizing the scene to eitherprovide aid or there's a felony
in their in their view.
I can't speak to this.
I don't.
I don't know all the details onthis call that we just saw yeah
, norcal brings up a good point,they would shoot your dog.

Speaker 1 (01:59:20):
Yeah, Be careful.
Listen, guys.
Just because you can sometimesdoesn't mean you should Like.
If three officers enter yourhome illegally, let's just,
hypothetically speaking, let'ssay these three went into the
apartment.
Not likely that you're going towin that fight.

(01:59:42):
You're better off fighting incourt.
Don't risk your dog.
I'm a dog lover.
Don't risk your dog.
Don't risk your dog over theseassholes.
Don't do that.
So think about it.
I'm just trying to risk playhere.
So let's keep.

(02:00:02):
Let's keep going.

Speaker 9 (02:00:04):
Stop shooting, stop shooting, stop shooting.

Speaker 1 (02:00:07):
Look at the next body cam and then we'll go to the
next video.
Since we know what happens here, I want to see him run into his
buddy.
So see they don't go inside,doesn't go inside, not with a
straight threshold, say he stoodright at the threshold.

(02:00:28):
He did come close, though.

Speaker 2 (02:00:30):
Well, I remember when we saw his body camera he had
already seen the dude, so likewhen he started Still doesn't
give you the right to comeinside.
Well, but did he see the knifelike?
But we don't know what the callis we don't know what the call
is.

Speaker 1 (02:00:45):
We don't know if it was somebody was screaming
inside.

Speaker 2 (02:00:49):
There are, there are articulations, that elevator and
went really quickly to wherethey were going.

Speaker 1 (02:00:55):
So yeah, so there are reasons, exigent circumstances
that you could have made entry.
We don't know enough, so let'sbe, if we're going to be honest
with each other, let's be honest.
We don't know enough, so let'snot go down the hole you went
through, what we don't know,okay so I will tell you I I have
one building, maybe twobuildings like that.

Speaker 2 (02:01:15):
So what do you do in this call on an everyday?
You're going to a loud noise ora domestic.
How do you handle that in thatlong hallway on an everyday call
?
What is the protocol?
What?

Speaker 1 (02:01:35):
do you teach your people?
Are you asking me yeah, yeah,oh yeah.
When you're dealing with adomestic, you show up.
Stop listen.
Me personally, this is what Ido.

(02:01:55):
We stop listen.
Try to hear anything we can onthe outside to see if we have an
exigency.
If I don't hear yelling andscreaming and it's quiet, I'm
just going to stand there andlisten for a while I'm not going
to rush it and then we're goingto stay, like Kat was saying
earlier, stay out of the fatalfunnel and stay off to the side,
and then I'm going to knock andannounce hey, I almost said my
department Right.

(02:02:17):
Right, hey, police, come to thedoor.
There's that muscle memorytaking over.
Come to the door and then stopand listen and see what we got.
But that's how we handle it.
We listen, we don't go alone,we make sure we got somebody
else with us and I am going tohave my partner more than likely

(02:02:38):
, stand on the same side as me.
Okay, because I don't want usto get in a crossfire and I
don't want us to split and runand then, have you know, I want
us to be both on the same side.
Do you hold the elevator, thingslike that?
If I've got the distance andthe time and the people?
If it's two of us and we're inthis, like, you're not going to

(02:02:58):
hold that elevator unless you'vegot something to put in the
people.
If it's two of us and we're inthis, you're not going to hold
that elevator unless you've gotsomething to put in the way.
If I've got something to drop,I will.
So I don't carry my baton, fulldisclosure.
If I had my baton, I might dropthat down there or have my
partner drop their baton there,but I'm speaking as a sergeant.
As a sergeant, I don't carry mybaton, but I'm speaking as a

(02:03:20):
sergeant.
So as a sergeant I don't carrymy baton.
And then listen, guys, in 18years of law enforcement I've
never used a baton on a person.
So anyway, but yeah, might putsomething in the elevator if
I've got that option.

Speaker 2 (02:03:30):
I ask that question because 90% of my stuff is park
at the next house over that kindof stuff we don't have.
I can think of two buildingsthat are going to be in this
scenario.

Speaker 1 (02:03:43):
Yeah, I was trying to find.
Somebody had a ridiculouscomment, nightcrawler.
There it is.
If someone's pointing a knifeat you, probably don't shoot
them.
Just because that was not thecomment that I saw him say
earlier.
He had said something,nightcrawler.
You're just being a contrarian,bro.
Let's be a little honest aboutwhat we're doing here.

(02:04:07):
This was a very clean shoot.
This guy was setting these guysup.
Let's go to the next video,biggie size.
There we go.

Speaker 7 (02:04:22):
Police want to search for it.
Police want a search warrant.

Speaker 1 (02:04:23):
Police want a search, okay, search warrant.
This is, we're up here.
Search warrants are serious.
We don't know what we're doing.
Kat, have you ever been a partof a search warrant?

Speaker 3 (02:04:34):
I have not no.

Speaker 1 (02:04:36):
Okay, so we've got some learning and some teaching
that we could possibly do.
Banning have you been a part ofa search warrant?

Speaker 6 (02:04:42):
Many.

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
Okay, so on a search warrant for all those listening
the first thing that we do isyou're doing an ops plan before
you even go to this place.
So you are, these days, you'regoing to Google Maps, that
You're going to see the photothat's on Google Maps.

(02:05:03):
You're going to have somebodygo out and this is the best case
scenario, guys, because there'sstill departments that don't do
this You're going to go outthere and you're going to verify
that the address that thesearch warrant is for looks and
is described the same in thesearch warrant itself.
Go ahead.

Speaker 6 (02:05:22):
Vanny, absolutely.
You have to describe theproperty, from the paint color
to the style of the home,everything in there to where
you're not going to the wrong.
And we can go into the studiesfrom the seventies and eighties
when search warrants were servedand it was on the wrong house
and that's why a lot of theselaws changed on these affidavits
for a search warrant.
So not only do you have to havethe numbers correct on XYZ

(02:05:44):
Street and whatever USA, youhave to have the description of
that house and that searchwarrant and what you're going in
there to search for and whyyou're going in there to search
for.
And then either justice of thepeace, county judge or district
judge is going to read that over.
Make sure we have the, theelements in there, uh, for
probable cause for that searchwarrant period, um, and

(02:06:05):
otherwise it's going to getkicked.
Are there people that's writtenwrong ones?
I'm sure there are.
I haven't personally seen anywrong ones in there, um, I've
been with a group of great menand women in law enforcement
that wrote extremely well searchwarrants.
But anyway, we're going to wantto put a descriptor in there.

Speaker 1 (02:06:21):
I haven't personally been a part of any bad search
warrants, but I have seen themonline where I'm like how the
fuck did you make that mistake?
So it happens.
So we can't ignore the factthat it happened.
So nobody's got an excuse.
I'm putting this out thereright now.
This is the way that you shouldbe doing this.
You make an ops plan here isthe address and then, once you

(02:06:45):
get the address, you sendsomebody out.
I need you to go out.
Take a picture of this placethat we're going to do a search
warrant on.
Okay, now we need to link upand show hey, here's where the
Google map shows it, here'swhere we went out and we
verified the address.
Here's where we have the youknow whatever intelligence
officer it is that says thatthis is the place that we need
to be hitting cooperates, theconnection, and then, before you
hit it, you need to sendsomebody out there.

(02:07:07):
Hey, go, take a look at thishouse.
Is this the house that we have?
Yes, that's the same house.
Okay, good, so you've got somany layers of making sure you
hit the right place.
I am not a fan of no-knockwarrants.
Sure you hit the right place.
I am not a fan of no-knockwarrants.
I'm not a fan of them at all.
I do think there are very, verylimited times where they're
appropriate, but they are sorare, so rare for a no-knock and

(02:07:30):
that needs to be for the mostviolent vicious of people.
If you're doing a no-knockwarrant for dope, get the fuck
out of here.
If you're doing a no-knockwarrant for property, get the
fuck out of here if you're doinga no knock warrant for property
get the fuck out of here.
You're no.
Yes, crimes against children,crimes, a murder suspects, sure,
but anything else, no.

(02:07:53):
I don't like no knock warrants.
And and when somebodyappropriately defends themselves
from a no-knock warrant, like,hey, that's the risk you took.
I'm not a big fan of thoseBannon.
What do you got on that?

Speaker 6 (02:08:09):
I mean, you know when I first got in in 2002.

Speaker 1 (02:08:13):
Damn you're old.
I know right, cat wasn't evenborn yet, okay.

Speaker 6 (02:08:19):
I'll take it.

Speaker 7 (02:08:20):
There was a lot of Cat wasn't even born yet, okay,
I'll take it.

Speaker 6 (02:08:23):
There was a lot of warrants out there that agencies
did no knock for.
And then we had a lot ofchemical introductions meaning
meth houses, people that wereactually cooking on scene and
then they invented the doubleflashbang, which is an
outstanding piece of equipmentwhen you need it.
But that concussion flashbangalso puts off a large spark in

(02:08:45):
the air, and then when you havecertain chemicals in the air,
because these people don't carewhere they're cooking, they
don't care what, it's going tocreate a frigging explosion.
And so through wrong warrantsgoing around through the country
it's, you know, some of theseno knock warrants going around
through the country, some ofthese no-knock warrants there
was no flashbang.
So then there's no element ofsurprise.

(02:09:06):
So all I'm saying is, when I gotinto law enforcement, there was
a lot of no-knocks, and then itcame to knock and announce.
And then it was knock andannounce with some type of
timeline that a judge would putin there and you're going to
lose some evidence.
But so what If you're going tothrow a flashbang in there?
Uh, but again, with with thedope stuff, let it wait.
You know what I mean.
It's gonna be a force on force,but.
But this thing's about crimesagainst children, crimes against

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people, and you got no choiceto go in there and get them.
I can understand a no knock onthat, because you don't lose
that person or allow that personto hurt somebody else.
I'm on a big snowbox when itcomes to that as well, for
safety yep um norcal said noknock on wrong house.

Speaker 1 (02:09:44):
What happens if the if a gunfight with police causes
you to think your house isbeing broken into?
There is supreme court case lawbacking you up in that you.
You are justified in defendingyourself.
There is case law.
I think an officer was killed.
He was.
Yeah, an officer was killed.
So this is why it's important.

(02:10:06):
But I think that's where itcomes back with no knocks is.

Speaker 2 (02:10:10):
I mean, we're only doing those like in the extreme.
Like we know, these people haveguns.
Swat team is hitting this houseLike it doesn't really matter
if they shoot back at copsbecause that person is going to
jail, like we know, like it's avery violent, uh like the reason

(02:10:31):
, like they just robbed a bank.
So we're hitting this house forsafety of the community, you
know.
So if they started shooting,there was a reason for us to be
there.

Speaker 1 (02:10:41):
Yeah, all right, let's keep going with this video
, y'all.

Speaker 7 (02:10:45):
Surge work.
Up to the door Police with asearch warrant.
Up to the door Police police.
I'm out Police Policedepartment.

Speaker 1 (02:10:54):
Okay, so not trying to Monday morning quarterback,
but if I open the door, I'mrushing through the door.
I'm not standing in the fatalfunnel.
This is the difference betweenstandard patrol guys and people
that have had some sort oftactical training.
Patrol officers are notnecessarily the best at this and
I am not a tactical guru.
For anybody wondering, I'm notat all.

(02:11:16):
I've claimed that for a longtime.
I'm not SWAT cool, not tacticalany of that.
However, through my militarytraining and through policing
over the last 18 years, I knownot to slow go through a door.
If I'm going through, I amgoing through, so let's see what
happens From here.
You got to make entry and startclearing your corners.

(02:11:39):
The idea is security first, andthen we start searching for
whatever it is we're searchingfor.
Is that how everybody else hasbeen trained, Kat?
I know you haven't done these,but is that how you were?

Speaker 3 (02:11:49):
trained.
I'm actually a rifle operatoras well, so I do know how to
make room entries and stuff likethat.

Speaker 1 (02:11:56):
Okay, so can you kind of explain what a rifle
operator is?
Because where I'm at we don'thave a rifle operator.
You're either qualified in yourrifle or you're not.

Speaker 3 (02:12:04):
So on a situation like this, if you're first on
scene and you've got the rifle,you're going to be the first one
in.
Typically on rooms you want atleast two people entry First
person going in, because that'sa corner fed door.
This person's going, you know,straight to the left down up

(02:12:26):
until he meets the uh, meets thenext doorway, essentially
because then he's going to startpying at the next doorway and
the other person's going to runstraight in.

Speaker 1 (02:12:35):
But can you kind of explain what a corner fed door
I'm so?
Like happy that you said acorner fed room.

Speaker 3 (02:12:42):
So so if you're looking at the door, as soon as
you walk into the door, uh,right corner fed room is when
you hit the wall, you swing thedoor open, the door hits the
wall immediately right there, um, to the left is is going to be
the the rest of the room, thecorner.
The door is in the corner ofthe room, essentially a center

(02:13:03):
fed room.
The door is going to be in thecenter of the room.
You've got two, two uh sides toclear.
So you know, I personally likea corner fed door when you're
making entries like this,because it's just a little bit
easier to go in.

Speaker 1 (02:13:19):
Gotcha.
Yeah, it's safer.
Corner fed is more safe than acenter fed.
Yeah, I agree.
So it's awesome to havesomebody that's trained in this
way and be able to explain it,and it doesn't have to come out
of my fucking mouth, because Iget tired of hearing my own
voice.
Might not be the bestexplanation, but I'll try no,

(02:13:41):
it's, it's wonderful, and thewhole point is education.
That's what our entire platformis based on.
Y'all is education.
I want you to understand whatwe're doing, but I also want you
to understand the why.
So understanding why we look atrooms a certain way and how we
do it tactically, and all thatstuff.
We're not giving away tradesecrets by any means.
This is stuff that's out there.

(02:14:01):
You can get this in an airsofttraining camp, I promise you so.
Um, but no, this is great andit just adds to the
qualifications behind all.
That is cat, so come to thedoor.

Speaker 7 (02:14:15):
Okay, hey, come out, come out, I'm out.

Speaker 1 (02:14:18):
They redacted everything in this Come on baby.

Speaker 7 (02:14:21):
Who else is here?
Get her Come on.

Speaker 9 (02:14:23):
Come out.
I saw you tuck in the room.
Get out of here, come out, comeout, come out.

Speaker 1 (02:14:29):
Okay, banning you.
Hear your partner say I saw youtuck into the room, come out.
Is it a reasonable and normalaction when police are coming in
yelling search warrant searchwarrant for a person to tuck
back into a room.

Speaker 6 (02:14:46):
A reasonable, prudent person is not going to tuck
back in that room when they havethey have armed peace officers
in there.
So now we got to look at atactical approach.
How do we do this to where wehopefully nobody does shots
fired and nobody gets hurt?
So now we're going to come backand hopefully command verbal
levels to get that person tocome out, as hopefully that the
senior person on the that's withus is going to be calling in

(02:15:08):
more manpower for exterior, etcetera.
This may turn into a SWATsituation where we have a
barricaded person and if it goesto that amount where nobody
else gets hurt, then it goes tothat amount.
Make time on your side.
Don't rush on this and backpeople out.
If you've got everybody out,you can back them out of there
and go to command commandyelling I hate to use that, but

(02:15:28):
trying to communicate and andgetting tech involved if you
have access to that, dependingon what kind of city or county
that you're in well, yeah, as aas a double-edged sword, though,
I'll throw this at you.

Speaker 2 (02:15:39):
What was the first thing I saw when that front door
opened?
And I see one sitting behindthe door in this picture right
here.
We don't know how many kids arein this room.

Speaker 6 (02:15:50):
Absolutely.
Now, hopefully there's officerscommunicating with those people
out there.
If there's somebody in thatroom and we have to go into that
room to protect another person,then that's that we have to do
that.
But I'm saying if we know thatthat one person that possibly
has a weapon is by himself backthere, that obviously we've got
to go to a different, differenttactical situation altogether.

(02:16:11):
Now whole tactical situation.
All that means is is is lessbodily harm to anybody, and
that's what I want the theaudience to understand is, when
we say tactical and it's themost overused word in law
enforcement and it makes me sickon buy your new tactical mirror
here and your tactical flashlike this.

(02:16:32):
And all I mean by saying thatis we got to come up with a
proper plan, and that planshould be established before the
warrant is served period yeah,yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (02:16:43):
Um, sigma brings up a good point.
They hear yelling, not what'sbeing yelled.
That that I can't argue thatbecause us as cops and this goes
against into the fishbowl thingso, officers, if you're
listening to this, think aboutit.
You've been trained to come inand yell this stuff and all of

(02:17:05):
the responses you get from thepeople that are the fake bad
guys.
They hear and know what you'regoing to say.
Now you're out in the public.
These people don't train likeyou.
They don't train like you.
They don't train thesescenarios.
It's not every day or ever thatthey hear somebody police

(02:17:27):
search warrant, police searchwarrant.
Boom, they're in the door.
Hey, come on, show your hands,show your hands, show your hands
.
Sigma's fucking right.
They don't know what you'resaying.
That's why it's so important tokeep saying police out, police,
police, police.
That is why you have to keeprepeating it, saying it police,
police.
You gotta keep saying it.

(02:17:48):
I don't know that these guys did.
I was.
I wasn't paying it againbecause I've been trained.
I wasn't paying attention tothat part because I'm used to it
.
So I'm sorry.
I said sigma, nor cal, good,fucking point.
No, no, no, oh, this is a newcomment, Sorry.
This is a new one.
Yeah, uh, yelling at an intenselevel causes stress, anxiety,
confusion.
Is that used to intimidate oris that just the adrenaline?

(02:18:09):
Adrenaline, adrenaline, ahundred percent.
Um, that is not.
We're not.
That's the last thing we want.
We don't want anybody amped up.
Um, for me, on a couple of thesearch warrants that you know
that I've done myself, I say acouple, a few dozen Fully.

(02:18:31):
The first few times I was alittle juiced up because I had
all this training and it was forproperty guys.
It wasn't even for anything.
I wasn't going after anybodyserious.
I wasn't going after homicidesuspects.
I've never been that guy.
So I had a search warrant forhey, police search warrant, you
know, the first few times.
And then when you start torealize well, like these guys

(02:18:52):
aren't really, they're not superconcerned about property crime
stuff, um, you do start to slowyourself down.
But you need the experience,you need the reps.
And I did start slowing down,started knocking on their.
Hey, damn, I almost did itagain.
I almost said my department andI've been doing this a long
time.
This is fucking beer or drinkwhatever, this is whiskey shit.

Speaker 2 (02:19:16):
Uh, shut up cat, uh anything she's drinking her
michael buble over there, so uhanyway, um this is a good point
and you know, in our agency alot of times we didn't have the

(02:19:37):
manpower agency, a lot of timeswe didn't have the manpower.
So Sigma bring out great pointswhen we we we don't like, we
don't want to cause this effectin somebody's home, but
sometimes it has to be done.
But a lot of times, like if youwere the bad guy, we tried to
do a traffic stop away from thehouse, things like that, because
we're right, the man, manpowerto lock down a whole city block,

(02:20:02):
we could only really lock downthe front and rear of a house
and two people to go in andsearch the house.
So if we could get the bad guysomewhere else and then deal
with the house, we could do iton our time.

Speaker 1 (02:20:18):
So you bring up a good point.
I'm not going to say mostdepartments, I'm not going to
say some departments.
I'm just going to say there'sdepartments that do exactly what
Alan said.
We try everything we can to nothave to do it in your house,
and then that's the last resort.
And then there's got to beother departments out there that
are just like whatever fuckingworks, we're just going to go

(02:20:40):
with that.
So that may be something thatus, as law enforcement if you're
law enforcement, you'rewatching this this is something
we need to start considering.
It is going into the home.
The last resort Is it?
Is it a timing thing?
Is there you know?
Are we limited to time?

(02:21:00):
So we just had to go to thehouse.
Those are things to considerand I think that's a good point
to bring up in court.
If something does go sideways,you're liable as a department.
Why did you go to the house?
Was there other options?
These are things to consider.
So, sigma, I'm liking Sigma moreand more.

(02:21:21):
Sigma, lord, if you are notfollowing us on Two Cops, one
Donut on our YouTube channel orall of our other stuff, please
do, man.
I think you have really goodinput.
I would love for you to followus.
I'm imagining that you'reeither following us through Matt
Thornton, who is also a part ofTwo Cops One Donut.
If you guys are us through MattThornton, who is also a part of
Two Cops One Donut, please.
If you guys are not followingMatt Thornton, by the way,

(02:21:43):
please go follow him, detectiveMatt Thornton, on YouTube,
instagram and TikTok.
I think those are his threemajor ones.
Somebody?

Speaker 2 (02:21:52):
earlier, wanted to know how you were.
You know how they werefollowing us today, because he's
not on here.

Speaker 1 (02:21:58):
Yeah, I'm sorry guys, matt is a part of Two Cops One
Donut.
All of us have networked ourstuff together.
We all have the same goal, thesame mindset, the same thing
where we're not trying to createa police echo chamber, we are
trying to call out bad cops,we're trying to call out good
cops and showcase both and inthe end, we are trying to

(02:22:22):
educate on how to get better.
We need you guys in thecomments to help us bridge that
gap.
So that's why we are alltogether.
We are creating this giganticnetwork.
So every cop that you see onour cat, alan Banning, me, matt,
daniel, we've got possiblyanother guy, kenny, joining us,

(02:22:44):
and then we have Josh Deadlegthat helps us out occasionally.
So all of these guys are eitherlaw enforcement or former law
enforcement that are just tiredof bad cops doing bad cop shit
and really excited about sharinggood cops doing good cop stuff.
So that's why we're here andwe're trying to get people from
across that spectrum.

(02:23:05):
Cat has seven years on.
We had Trey earlier.
Trey's got.
He's our rookie.
He's got three years on.
We want you to get thatperspective.
He's out in California.
Cat's out in New York.
You got Banning, who's acountry cop been out there doing
deputy work, alan, also doingcountry cop stuff from a

(02:23:30):
municipality standpoint.
Me, city cop.
I've been up in Michigan, I'vebeen military.
You got Banning, who's alsobeen military.
I'm a military police officerstill so you got just a huge
perspective going across theboard and and that's what we're
trying to share with y'all.
So that is why you have Matt.
Matt actually shared hisYouTube channel but he couldn't
make it tonight because him andTennille have some shit to

(02:23:50):
handle uh, marriage,relationship stuff, family stuff
and he's like here, use thechannel, but he can't make it
tonight.
So that's what it is, guys.
Um, I know you didn'tnecessarily sign up to follow
and see us, but that is wherewe're going and we hope that we
can kind of uh, win you over.
Uh, what are you smiling aboutover there?

Speaker 6 (02:24:12):
chuckles banning I'm just when you said marriage, all
it is is babysitting.
I don't want them to thinkthere was something negative in
the video.
So, in reference to Matt, itwas just a baby.
I mean, he's just being the man, like we all do.
We have kids and sometimesyou've got to step out and go do
the daddy duties, which is nottechnically babysitting, because
that's your children.
It's nothing bad, that's all.

Speaker 4 (02:24:37):
I'm laughing about is how people can twist stuff in
their head.

Speaker 6 (02:24:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's just .

Speaker 1 (02:24:39):
it's just a family time, man, family time, we all
got to do that Yep, uh, sigmaLord said I'm dumping on my body
worn camera footage to showinjustice from Gibstown, new
Jersey, pd.
And oh my God, I don't want to.
Oh, okay, gloucester.
Say it again Gloucester County,swat.
Gloucester County, swat.

(02:25:01):
Okay, it didn't even have toend bad if they were
professional, okay.
And then Jim Minor.
I don't think we've highlightedJim Minor.
Every door is different.
What's on the other side of thedoor is always different.
Police don't know 100% or whatit might be.
The caller may have someknowledge of the person and
their mental state, but untilyou are through the door,

(02:25:23):
metamorph.
Yeah, I get what he's.

Speaker 6 (02:25:27):
Oh, and if I remember , if I know, I mean Jim's a
retired police chief, if Iremember right.

Speaker 1 (02:25:32):
Okay, I didn't read his full comment.
It doesn't show all the way uphere on the screen but I can see
it over here on the side.
He said that door metamorphic.
You don't know what your movewill be.
I've been in situations withmental issues Person.
Luckily, the police arrived andwere able to take this person
into custody.
Absolutely, I think that's agood point.
You really you never know.

(02:25:55):
You never know what you'regoing to come into crossing that
door.
Tim Owens gifted fivememberships level law questions.
Hell yeah, brother, appreciateit.
I'm going to continue with thevideo here.

Speaker 7 (02:26:08):
Okay, you're okay.

Speaker 9 (02:26:11):
Show me your head, show me your foot.
There's a problem?
Shut up.

Speaker 1 (02:26:14):
Okay, that is an obvious red flag to me.
When you've got me as a fullyuniformed police officer with my
gun out and I'm telling you tocome out, show me your hands and
you say what's the problem?
What is the problem?
And I can't see your other hand.
So for me, I'm not pressing,I'm not pressing after this, I'm

(02:26:40):
backing.
I may be different than mostcops, I don't know.
I'm not pressing this dude, I'mbacking up.
He's not acting right and I'mnot going to push through and
force a gunfight because I don'tknow what he's got over there.
I'm going to back up, sloweverything down.
What do you got, cat?
What are you doing here?
I'm going to back up, sloweverything down.
What do you got, kat?

Speaker 3 (02:27:02):
What are you doing here?
So, with not you know having afull conversation with the cop
at the door, like you know, thewhat are you doing type thing,
it feels like he's buying time,and if he's buying time, then
he's going to do something silly.
So I'm going to back up.

Speaker 1 (02:27:13):
Yeah, okay, so you would back up from that.
You wouldn't press forward andand I don't listen, I don't
blame any cop that would if,like you were, like no, I'm
gonna push forward.
Like I understand thatmentality too.
Don't give them time to think.
That is another way to think ofthis.
You don't give them time tomake uh, to to build up the
confidence to do somethingstupid.
That is what some cops will dobanning what do you got?

Speaker 6 (02:27:38):
same thing.
I mean it's going back, to usethat word, tactical right.
So if we can, if we can keepthat person in that room and we
can we can hopefully say thatthere's nobody else in there
with that person that he canhurt.
And then let's, let's, let'slook at this on on how else we
can get him out peacefully andand, and you know, I wish we
knew what the what the warrantwas for, why we're here to begin

(02:27:59):
with, because that's going tochange my opinion.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
We go to crimes or crimes ofproperty, but when it comes to
crimes of people, that's theonly time where really just me
and most departments I wouldhope out there are really going
to push the issue Again.

(02:28:25):
Like Alan had stated earlier,we get them out on the street
and stop.
We used to do that all the time.
And if we can get that oneperson that we have paper on,
meaning a warrant, if we can getthem stopped and secured and
this bad person for whatever itis, we've got them stopped and
now we have paper or a warrantfor that residence.
And then we communicate withthe wife on scene and get it
done and bring before the courtwhatever they're demanding
through the warrant withoutanybody getting hurt, and let

(02:28:46):
the courts figure it out afterthat.
But that's what we're doing iswe're just here to bring the
people to justice and then it'sup in the courts after that Yep,
yeah, man, I'm really likingthe comments and stuff that
we're seeing going on right now.

Speaker 1 (02:29:00):
Plain Jane, sigma, bro, sigma, highly impressed
with you tonight.
I hope you reach out to us onthe side.
Would love to consider maybehaving you on to tell your story
.
Sounds like you've got a lotgoing on.
Like I said, we are not an echochamber.
We want every side of the house.

(02:29:23):
So if you guys have somethingthat you want to bring on and we
can do this on a live and justdiscuss things.
Just know that we havelimitations.
I'm still an active cop, kat'san active cop.
Certain things that some of uscan't say we can't do.
So if you're ever consideringjoining us and doing what we do,
um, we're one of the, if notthe only, platform I know of

(02:29:48):
cops that are willing to havepeople that don't necessarily
share the same ideas andopinions that we do and invite
you on to the show and why, andwhy and not to interrupt you,
but why eric why I'm soimpressed with eric and why he
created this is we're trying totruly bridge that gap.

Speaker 6 (02:30:04):
We, we care about everybody that's on here,
whether you have indifferencefeelings of us, I mean that's
what we're here for.
We're not sitting here sayingthat you're going to come and
watch one episode and by golly,all cops are gravy and they're,
they're great.
We know that's not going tohappen.
We know that there's a lot ofthings that are going on out
there that shouldn't have to goon.
But we're getting.
This platform is not for us.
This platform is for y'all andwe want y'all to be comfortable

(02:30:28):
here and talking.
And if you come and sit hereand say bad things about cops,
just like Eric said, he's notgoing to kick you, he's not
going to your stories.
We want to find facts behind it.
I mean, we're not attorneys,we're not the judge and jury.
We're bringing you a lot ofexperience in law enforcement.
It doesn't mean we're the bestout there in the business, but
we're willing to put our nameson the line out here to listen

(02:30:49):
to you guys and maybe offer youa little bit from experience on
what we've dealt with in ourcareers.
That may shed some light onsome things that may have
happened to y'all or a familymember or a close friend.
That's all this is for.
We're all human.
We all put our pants on thesame way every day.
We are no better than everybody, just like y'all are no better
than everybody.
We're all human beings andthat's the whole reason that

(02:31:11):
this Two Cops, one Donut wasformed.

Speaker 1 (02:31:13):
Eric, you got anything to add on that, but
that's what we're here for Yep,absolutely, and you know I
appreciate that Banning and forthose that are new to what we're
doing because, like I said,matt added his channel on here.
I know we're getting a lot offeedback from Matt's channel,
like guys and girls.
I don't mean that exclusively,but everybody like that is what

(02:31:34):
we are honestly trying to do andit does sound like Sigma Lord,
which I love the name, by theway has a story to tell.
Would love to get you on here.
We've had felons.
We've had people that wereconvicted of homicide.
We've had people that werewrongly convicted of crimes that
we've done interviews with.
So that is what we are here todo.

(02:31:58):
I don't want you guys to thinkthat this is an echo chamber by
any means, because it is not.
We need to have the hardconversations.
You guys have been pushing ourbuttons all night trying to.
I don't mean pushing my buttons, ego, wise or anything like
that.
I mean you guys have beengiving us tough questions and
we're not hiding them, we're nottrying to keep them from people
seeing them.

(02:32:19):
We will attack them and goafter them.
Uh, as best we can.
Um, what I'm sorry I just sawthat sigma said I'm subscribed,
listening to is what systemnever did.
It gets cycled around and younever get a voice.
And and that is the point ofwhat we're doing is how often do
you get to sit down?

(02:32:40):
My mic disconnected, I heard it.
How often do you get to sitdown and have a cop honestly
talk back with you?
It doesn't happen.
That's one of the problems withlaw enforcement is we don't
talk to each other.
We're here talking to you.
Cat signed up to talk to youguys.
Banning signed up to talk toyou guys.
Allen signed up to be the guybehind the scenes, but here he

(02:33:00):
is up front talking to you guys.
Banning signed up to talk toyou guys.
Alan signed up to be the guybehind the scenes, but here he
is up front talking to you guys.
So, despite Alan's ugly face,he is up front guys talking to
you, and that is what we loveabout Alan.
So Me too, kat, you are thenewest addition to what we're
doing.
So for you, when you see this,this stuff, like you see these

(02:33:24):
people, I, I told you I I gaveher fair warning that our
audience is ruthless and isgoing to hit us with the hardest
questions and and do what theydo.
What is your impression nowbeing the second time on and
seeing the level of heat thatthey're bringing.

Speaker 3 (02:33:42):
Listen, I like it, even though they are bringing
heat.
You can see that some of thepeople in the comments they
genuinely want that conversationand want to have some sort of
understanding.
So when I see those commentsthat you know don't necessarily
make sense to me or they seemlike they're just trolling.
I think that is the first layerof trying to understand.

(02:34:05):
I think that's I don't knowjust, I don't know how to
describe it, but like you'rehere, so you're trying to get
something.

Speaker 1 (02:34:18):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, I'm sorry there's a bunch of
people popping in on thecomments so I was looking at
plain Janes.
Yes, tim, it's needed.
I got lost on my way home fromkindergarten.
A cop took me home.
I got stranded on the freewayin my first beater car and a cop
took me home.
I used to look up.
Now I'm skeptical.

(02:34:40):
Now I will say to you guysplease judge each cop on a
case-by-case basis.
It's not fair to anybody, inany class of any profession or
whoever, whatever walk of life,to judge every Subway sandwich
employee because you got a dudethat fell asleep and had a

(02:35:04):
heroin-induced sandwich-makingexperience.
I saw that video where the ladyfalling asleep making the
sandwich because she was high onheroin.
So you can't judge every Subwaybased on that.
You can't judge every copbecause one or two bad cops gave
you a bad experience.
You can't judge everyexperience because you had great

(02:35:25):
experiences with cops.
That doesn't mean there's notbad cops out there.
So judge them all on acase-by-case basis.
That's the only fair thing Ican say.
Let's keep going with the video.
Ah, ah, fuck.
Oh, okay, let's go back.
I think the cop was hot.
Did you hear what he just said?

(02:35:50):
Put this on here.
So he's doing a search warranton this home and he told this
lady to put something on, so shemust be either naked or exposed
in some way.
So he was taking the time tohave her put something on.
That is, that's a good move.
That tells me that this cop'smind wasn't to just come in

(02:36:13):
there and do bad things.

Speaker 9 (02:36:17):
Come out, come out, come out.

Speaker 7 (02:36:21):
Come out.
Okay, you're okay okay.

Speaker 1 (02:36:25):
So he gave her the clothes, told her she's okay.
Now he's dealing with thisperson.
This is the one that saidsomething.
He started asking questions.
What's?
The problem boom, and then weheard the problem, boom, and
then we heard the shot.
Did you hear that, alan?
Yeah, was it just me?
Everybody heard the shot?

Speaker 7 (02:36:44):
No, I heard it.

Speaker 1 (02:36:46):
Okay, ah, ah, fuck, oh, he got shot.

Speaker 9 (02:36:54):
Shot fired.
Shot fired, put it in the air,put it in the air.

Speaker 1 (02:36:58):
Okay, if I'm this officer here, I'm cutting this
corner.
Like I'm not going to just stayhidden, I'm going to keep my
gun yeah it's too small a room,I'm going to keep my gun up and
I'm going to pie this corner andjust keep that angle the best I
can and wait for a threat tocome through that opening.

Speaker 7 (02:37:23):
I think he's hurt.

Speaker 9 (02:37:25):
Yeah, I'm saying, I'm hit.

Speaker 1 (02:37:36):
This must be after the fact, because if they had
all, this there's no fucking waythose other officers should
have been pushing through.

Speaker 7 (02:37:46):
Got a jump up here.
He stood up.
Yeah, he stood up to the left.
So Marty is it this door.

Speaker 1 (02:37:50):
No to the left, right , here it's a quick.
Button.
They're talking to him in thebathroom.
That's what I think.
Yep, that's what it soundedlike, it's right around here.

Speaker 9 (02:37:59):
It.
That's what I think.
Yep, that's what it soundedlike.
It's right around here, it'sright around this wall.

Speaker 7 (02:38:02):
Okay, it's right around this wall.
Move over to the right.
We got blood on the floor.
To the right, we're in a safezone.
We're going to charge out fromthe right side of the room,
marty are you in the bathroom?
I'm in the front.

Speaker 9 (02:38:30):
I'm at the front door , right here You're.

Speaker 1 (02:38:36):
All right, you got the shield, I'm not.
I'm not okay, benny, you go,because I'm going to put my foot
in my mouth on this one, youknow when you when you have the
shield, when you have propertraining.

Speaker 6 (02:38:50):
And I don't know what this department is and I don't
really care what department itis.
I'm going to get on my soapboxhere for a second.
You've got to keep that shield.
Go ahead.
You, my soapbox here for asecond.
You've got to keep that shieldup.
You have got to go towardsdanger.
I always go back to the oath.
Maybe I took the oath a littlebit seriously than some people.
You've got to go towards thatdanger.
You've got an officer in thatfriggin' bathroom.

(02:39:10):
They can't come out.
He's been hit.
Obviously we don't knowundetermined still of what's in
that room with that person.
You keep that shield up and yougo towards danger while yelling
commands and get him to comeout.
But we've already had too muchcarnage.
You've got to stop it right now.
So you've got to get in thereand you have to stop that threat

(02:39:33):
.
That's what we do.
The fear has got to come out ofyou and I don't care what
classes you've got to go throughif you took that oath to come
and you put that fricking badgeon your chest.
This is part of it.
This is what you frickingsigned up for.
Hold that fricking shield up,go in there and eliminate that
threat you have to yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:39:50):
I was going to.
I was going to play devil'sadvocate, cause I'm like, why,
like retreat, like that?
And the only thing I couldthink of is like, were you shot
in your knee or what was thedeal, I don't know?
But then I replayed in my headand like he said, I'm out, I'm
out, I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:40:08):
And that I think that comes back to training, Cause
when we, when we did the shieldclass, the shield stays up and
it's handed off off, you know,yeah, so you're the protection
for everybody behind you.
Yeah, it looked like a completejust tap out.
So one of the the other thingsthat I witnessed like I heard in
this just before the originalshots there was my baby was said

(02:40:32):
in that.
So do you have time for yourteam to rebuild?

Speaker 6 (02:40:38):
and and I mean like there's some unknowns that we
don't know about where there's achild in this house and yeah,
but, but, but here we, but herewe are in the house and the way
this house is built If you lookat that bathroom that bathroom
is is frigging drywall.
These rounds are going to goright through drywall.
I mean, let's, let's thinkabout it cover versus

(02:41:01):
concealment.
There's, there's, no, there'sno true cover in this house.
You got two by fours and stufflike that in that wall, but you
got drywall.
It's time to get that freakingshield up.
You've got what?
Two or three guys in there withlong guns get in there.

Speaker 2 (02:41:10):
I'm talking about before that like it seems like
we paused and waited for theshield to get there, just from
what I'm seeing in the twodifferent body cameras.
And you know I get going torescue him.
But if there's kids in thereit's time for us to go to work
and yep yep and uh.

Speaker 1 (02:41:29):
I think tim owens is right.
That should just stopeverything up to probably about
762, um, depending on themanufacturer what type of shield
it is.

Speaker 6 (02:41:37):
If it's, yeah, unfortunately a lot of these
homeland security grants aregetting the bare bones shields.
Once it's been hit a coupletimes by 7.62 or higher, the
whole shield's going to bedefective from 9mm and below
because it's going to break upthe cavity of the shield.

Speaker 1 (02:41:51):
Yep, I will lean on Banning's expertise on that,
guys.
He has got a lot of trainingwhen it comes to that stuff.
I'm sorry, I stopped sharingthe screen there.
Share screen so banning.

Speaker 2 (02:42:07):
In that situation, you're the cop that gets shot in
that in that moment, and you'rein the bathroom.
What, besides protecting thedoor, say you can't go on.
What do you?
What are you supposed to bedoing for?

Speaker 6 (02:42:18):
yourself.
You're, you're doing self-aidand if somebody get to you with
a shield to do some buddy aid,maybe we can at least get that
going and drag that guy out witha shield, hopefully with this
being a warrant.
We've got medics that are acouple blocks down.
We're advising them to clearand come up closer so we can
dump our buddy, get him in there, get him off so we can get

(02:42:39):
medical care and get our freshguys up to eliminate that threat
.
And unfortunately, you have tothink about this right now
because now that that officerthat's hurting there and I'm
looking at him as a brother, butright now he's a distraction of
the fact we still have an armedperson here, possibly with
children.
So therefore we have got to gethim out of the fight where we
can focus on that threat.

(02:42:59):
And I hate to say that andthere's a lot of cops who
disagree with that no, we justgot to protect her.
Guess what he got hit.
We got to give him the bestcare that we can.
Get that shield in there, gethim out.
But then we've got to go inthere and take out that threat
and do it as methodically as wecan.
But right now it's it's it'slots are on the line.
You have neighbors here.
It looks like an apartmentcomplex or possibly a duplex, so

(02:43:22):
you have neighbors these rounds.
I don't care if it's a ninemillimeter, 380, 22, it's going
to go right through drywall.
So we've got to these rounds byby taking that through I agree,
let's see how they handle it.

Speaker 1 (02:43:39):
oh, so this is the beginning.
This is before they made it, sothese guys are outside in case
somebody jumps out a window.
Come on, come on.

Speaker 9 (02:43:55):
Come on, come on, go ahead, brother, I got you.
Come on, come on, I saw youtalking to the room.
Get out of here, come out, getout of here, get out of here.

Speaker 1 (02:44:08):
So I heard it that time.

Speaker 9 (02:44:11):
My baby, my baby.
Shots fired, shots fired, Comehere.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Shot fired Come here, come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here, come here.

Speaker 1 (02:44:31):
Come here.

Speaker 9 (02:44:32):
Come here, stay in the ambulance.

Speaker 7 (02:44:37):
Stay in the ambulance .
Bravo, keep talking.
Police, we're the searchwarrant.
Come to the door.
Come to the door.
Come to the door.
Police.
Police, I'm out.
Police, police department.
Come to the door.

(02:44:58):
Hey, I'm out, I'm out.

Speaker 9 (02:44:58):
I'm out, I'm out, I Police, police department, come
to the door.
Hey, come out, come out, comeout, come out.

Speaker 7 (02:45:02):
Here, I got you something.
Here you go.
Here you go, Put the sign here.
My baby.
Alright, come on out, come out,hands up.
I saw you tucking the rope Getout here, come out, get out here
, come out, get out here my baby.

Speaker 9 (02:45:15):
Come out, show me your hand, show me your hand.

Speaker 1 (02:45:24):
So he's got to watch these stairs now.
So I understand where his mindwas at on this.
He's got to watch these stairs.
He's got to trust that theofficer that was down there with
him is covering wherever thatshot just came from.
So that took a lot of trust ofwhat he just did.
He knew where that shot camefrom, but he still stayed on the

(02:45:46):
stairs.
So kudos to this officer fordoing what he just did.
That's the way I see that.
Anybody see anything different?

Speaker 2 (02:45:53):
No, I think he was pressing forward because of the
whole.
You know there's more to clear.

Speaker 1 (02:45:59):
Yeah, I mean, he was trying to obviously cover his
ass, so he didn't get shot inthe ass.
But he had to watch the steps.
That was another threat.
Okay, this is my man.
Stay here, aaron.
So confused on this angle,though, Rob, was that you I?

Speaker 2 (02:46:24):
think he came back.
Was that Blue Shoe in?

Speaker 7 (02:46:27):
No to the left, it's the front room.
It's right around here.
It's right around this wall.
Yeah, it's right around thiswall.

Speaker 1 (02:46:33):
Room opens to the right.
We got blood on the floor.
To the right.

Speaker 5 (02:46:38):
Target shot from the right side of the room, Marty
are you in the bathroom.
I'm in the front, at the frontdoor right here.

Speaker 1 (02:46:51):
Yeah, you got a gun on him.

Speaker 7 (02:46:52):
That's the room right there.
Yep, Marty, get out of herewhen you can.

Speaker 9 (02:46:56):
Oh, oh, oh Get the fuck out of there.

Speaker 1 (02:47:04):
I don't like that move.

Speaker 2 (02:47:08):
I don't understand that.
That's your whole role, beingright there.

Speaker 1 (02:47:10):
Right, yeah, put rounds down range, bro, holy
shit, okay, I'm not going tomorning quarterback.
No, no, it's a shit.
Sandwich all around, okay, look.

Speaker 6 (02:47:20):
I'm not going to money a morning quarterback.
Nope, nope, no, it's, it's,it's, it's a shit sandwich all
around yeah.
Without even knowing the PD.
They probably executed horribleword but serve several wants on
this Right and didn't haveissues and nobody got hurt.
And, unfortunately, people arehuman.
I'm a human.
I've screwed up in law board.
I'll be the first one to tellyou I've screwed up.
I'm human.
I've screwed up in law board.
I'll be the first one to tellyou I've screwed up.

(02:47:41):
I'm not perfect, but we learnfrom our mistakes.
This may have been the first Ihate to say it real warrant that
they've served to where they'vegotten forced back on something
and we don't know why.
That is Like I said, we don'tknow the affidavit on this.
We don't know the whole reasonwhy they went in.
They had, it looks like, a lotof manpower there that were all
on on on firearms just you know,pistols to begin with, and then

(02:48:04):
the long guns and the shieldsgot drawn into it.
My whole thing is, if we havethat equipment and I have a
reason to go in somebody's housewe're going to bring that
equipment with us, whether it'sa yeah, it's a quick, a quick
react team or whatever you wantto call it.
That's serving this warrant.
If we had that equipmentavailable, we're going to use
that in the beginning.
So stuff, it may narrow it down, it may not stop anything, but

(02:48:27):
at least we brought theequipment in that we can um, you
know I'm not going to say yourquarterback, just like y'all
said we don't.
We don't know all the detailson this and what the original?
charges were why the warranteven got drawn up.

Speaker 2 (02:48:39):
So TJ says everybody was scared and I'll tell you,
I've been in, I've gone inseveral of these and if I think
scared is like I want to go homeat the end of the night, but
it's more of a respect.
And in this video you know,there were several people that I

(02:48:59):
don't think they knew whattheir role was when they went.
When they went into the room,um, initially like one guy knew
he was knocking on the door andthen all of a sudden there was
this huge stack in line and thenthey were tripping on each
other to come back out of thehouse.
And you know, that's one ofthose things that we would talk
about in a warrant is what myrole is.

(02:49:24):
There's some unspoken language,but we all know what our next
steps are when we go in and filein line.

Speaker 1 (02:49:38):
All right, we're going to get to the next video
here.
It is only three minutes.
It's not that long.
It usually takes us about 40fucking minutes to get through a
video.

Speaker 3 (02:49:46):
Okay, go ahead it's been real it's wednesday and
bedtime okay no worries, thankyou for having me.
It was awesome we're not.

Speaker 1 (02:49:56):
We're not having you cat you're a part of this now
I'm sorry, I'm new to this.

Speaker 3 (02:50:01):
You, you gotta you know.
Yeah, I'll give it the programeventually they got it.

Speaker 1 (02:50:05):
No, no, you're.
I can tell you are loosening up.
You are figuring out thateverybody gets to speak whenever
they fucking want to, and ifyou got something to say, just
handle your business, girl umWill do.
But let people know how theycan find you.

Speaker 3 (02:50:21):
You guys can find me up in New York that's upinny at
Instagram and TikTok as well.

Speaker 1 (02:50:28):
Hell yeah, appreciate you being here tonight, kat.

Speaker 3 (02:50:31):
Thank you, have a good one, guys All right, take
it easy.

Speaker 1 (02:50:33):
All right, guys, we have amazing numbers right now.
We've got a lot of people on,so we are not.
Oh my God, alan, you just getuglier the closer you get.
So what about this?
Banning's getting redder andredder.
I mean, that water you'redrinking is what's going on.
It is, they call it Texas water, texas water.

(02:50:57):
You're drinking that Texaswater tonight and I and Alan are
sporting some of the classiestof oh you, son of a bitch, I
want that shirt.
We're sporting some Retro Rifletonight, guys.

Speaker 6 (02:51:12):
And Retro Rifle.
Just took out another loan tomake Banning one.

Speaker 1 (02:51:16):
Yeah, right.
So you guys don't know this yet, but officially we have been in
contact with retro rifles ownerand they are going to be what
we would call a casual andrelaxed sponsorship of the
podcast.
They're going to provide, uh,uniform shirts for the rest of
us and we're not going tocomplain about that.

(02:51:36):
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So shout out to retro rifleguys, please.
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(02:51:56):
decked out in retro rifle here.
Uh, to start, but I am going toget to this next video.
Let's see here and there.
Oh, that's not the right one,where is it there?
It is Okay, share, just tryingto find it, and biggie size and
go.

Speaker 2 (02:52:18):
Danny, you should be coming up to 10 mile now.

Speaker 5 (02:52:21):
Careful coming up to 10 mile.
Now Careful coming up to 10mile.

Speaker 1 (02:52:27):
All right, we're in a pursuit, so in regular
tradition with this show.
We're in a pursuit, so thingsto consider.
Road conditions, time of daytraffic how much traffic is
there?
We are in a what I so things toconsider.
Road conditions, time of daytraffic, how much traffic is
there?
We are in what I would call aresidential neighborhood right
now.
So for me, I am not a fan ofpursuits guys.

(02:52:49):
That's just me, not a fan ofthem, unless this guy's wanted
for killing somebody orseriously injuring a child or
whatever.
If it's just a trafficviolation, I'm not a fan of
chasing people.
That is 18 years of experience.
I don't want any innocentperson hurt over some bullshit,
over some basic offense.

(02:53:09):
Alan, what do you got?

Speaker 2 (02:53:11):
no, I completely agree.
I think, uh, there's a time anda place for the for them.
But you know, with all thetechnology we have today, it's
so easy to catch them later.

Speaker 1 (02:53:24):
Yep, I agree, we're going to keep going here.

Speaker 7 (02:53:28):
One radio.
I got them.
We are on Forest View right now, Coming up the beach.

Speaker 1 (02:53:34):
Right now you're calling out direction of travel
speed traffic.
One radio, we crack outdirection of travel speed
traffic.
So, as I'm going to correct outvehicle, there's some.
This is where every officers alittle different.

(02:53:54):
How are you gonna handle it?
For me, I'm gonna stay behindthe car.
That's me.
I'm going to stay behind thecar.
That's me, I'm going to staybehind the car.
This guy's angle here, I'm notmad at it, it's just not my
style.
Banning, what do you got?
You're muted dumbass.

(02:54:16):
He's just looking at himtalking to nothing because he's
retarded.
He's laughing.
I am a dumbass because I forgothe's laughing.
There he goes 100 with eric.

Speaker 6 (02:54:27):
Eric, I mean I'm gonna stay behind the car if I
can, um, just because it's goingto provide a little bit better
cover, just from from thissituation, plus with these other
houses I think I'm you know, Ithink stupid thoughts all the
time on Crossfire, even when I'mnot in law enforcement anymore.
So you've just got to, you'vegot to do it as safe as you can,
and sometimes you've got tomake that split second decision

(02:54:48):
yep, I'm sorry, mama G, she holdon a second.

Speaker 1 (02:54:54):
I didn't see what her question was.
I must have missed it.
So I don't want her to thinkthat we Did.
You find it Okay?
Would LEOs be held accountableat all if innocents were killed
or maimed?
Absolutely, absolutely, 100%,yeah, 100%, yes, yes, ma'am.

(02:55:15):
So I'm sorry, I apologize.
Listen, guys, don't take itpersonal if we don't see, you
got to understand.
We're trying to run a video.
It all comes down to me.
So if blame you want to blameanybody, it's my fault.
I'm trying to run the videos,talk, chat, do all that stuff at
the same time.
This is why we like to havealan behind the scenes, but he's
in a position where he can't dothat tonight.
So, uh, it is my fault.

(02:55:37):
100, so I apologize.
Uh, mama, mama G, you knowbetter.
By the way, you've been on herelong enough.
You know I ain't ignoring yourshit.
Come on, girl, so let's keepgoing.
Booyah, booyoy, booyoh.
I stand with blue.
Listen, I appreciate thatsentiment.

(02:55:58):
I just don't want you to standwith blue arbitrarily.
I don't want you to just do itas a generality.
Generality Fucking smoke wagongot me, can't say words.
I like the mindset.
I like that you are for police.
Just don't be for police, justto be for police, because
there's some bad cops out there.
You want to see some dumbasscops.

(02:56:19):
Look at the ones that want tohave a Punisher tattoo or a
Punisher symbol on their stuffwith a thin blue line going
through it.
I've automatically got aproblem with you, so I'll just
put that out there.
Let's keep going.
Where are you going, buddy?

Speaker 7 (02:56:38):
Running with a pistol on him.

Speaker 1 (02:56:39):
Running with a gun on him.
Running with a gun on him.
Oh, so he sees a gun.
Okay, I like that.
He kept moving.
That's actually a pretty slickmove.
What do you got, manning?

Speaker 6 (02:56:50):
Same thing.
I mean, if he sees somethingand he's got it, if he's still
in that car, get it to move him.

Speaker 1 (02:56:55):
Yeah, don't jump out.
I'm known for, if they're goingto start running on foot and I
can fit a frigging tall hairthrough it.
I'm going to follow them in afrigging tall hair until they
get tired.
Right.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Sigma Lord said.
The issue is that it'sconvenient to place all
accountability on a singleperson, though there may be more

(02:57:19):
that are not held accountableas a result.
I fucking fully agree, sir.
It drives me insane that theywant to blame a single officer
when it goes back to training ata department and they didn't
even investigate the trainingpart.

(02:57:40):
Like, this is how you trainthis guy.
How can you blame him forfollowing the way that the
training went?
And then, who approved thistraining?
We got to look like he was likefloating in space.
How do you go to that trainingthat was approved?
Who approved that fuckingtraining?
Like, how did these are?
These are the things thatfrustrate me as an officer.

(02:58:00):
So let's keep going.
Oh, look at your boys gettingsome nobody's coming in wailing
things to notice.
Guys like listen, I know welike to point out bad that cops
do, but let's point out whenthey do really good.

(02:58:22):
You had a guy that was runningwith a gun.
Nobody I didn't hear anythinganyway, didn't sound like
anybody fired a shot.
They were able to take him intocustody without a shot fired
and they had ample opportunityto lay elbows and knees and all
sorts of crazy shit and theydidn't.
They did that very professional.

(02:58:42):
Let's keep going.
Maybe they don't finishprofessional, you never know.
Hold on hold on a second.
Nobody gets away for free.
Tuscan prepper F.
The blue line.
Come on, bro, that's lazy.
You don't even know what thinblue line means.
You don't even know Becauseguess what it means different

(02:59:13):
things to different officers,and I've explained it many times
on the show before and I'mgoing to explain it to you again
.
Line isn't us versus them, goodversus evil.
That's not what it means to me.
What it means to me, I have twodaughters and I have a wife and
we grew up together.
I've never been divorced.
I've been in the military, I'mstill in the military and I'm a
cop.
I am a unicorn, I am the posterchild for I should be divorced

(02:59:35):
three or four times.
Guess what?
I've been with the same girl.
We've been dating since seventhgrade.
Should be divorced three orfour times.
Guess what?
We've been dating since seventhgrade.
We grew up together and we havetwo daughters.
To me, what the thin blue lineis is, if I die in the line of
duty, guys like Banning peoplethat I was in the department
with my daughter is going tolearn how to drive.
She's going to have her firstvehicle.

(02:59:56):
She's going to be walked on herwedding day by people that I
served with.
That's what the thin blue lineis to me, guys.
It has nothing to do with usversus them or any of that stuff
.
That is what the thin blue lineis to me.
So it's different to each cop.
It just depends on how you lookat it.
So F the thin blue line, that'svery lazy and it's very obtuse.

(03:00:21):
So relax, that's all I ask.
Just relax a little bit.
Talk to a cop, see what itmeans to them.
Go ahead, benny, I see you wantto say something.
No.

Speaker 6 (03:00:32):
I'm right there with you, man, and I get a lot of
guys and gals that come at me,even on LinkedIn, on a
professional platform, of notunderstanding what the true blue
line is.
And there is a difference.
You know, there's a true blueline and then there's one that's
flown for the wrong reasons, soit's the ones that are the
wrong reasons.
We're right there with thegeneral public that is affected

(03:00:54):
by that wrong reason and we wantto stomp that out too.
But the blue line and the greenline for the military, the red
line for EMS and fire, andyellow line or gold line,
however you want to call it for,dispatch has its own meetings
up and down the board, and thenyou have the civilian line, just
the red, white and blueAmerican flag is what I call
that as?

(03:01:14):
And are we separation?
No, separation, no.
But we're all here for a goodcause, but there it has been
used in bad reasons and we donot support that.
We will put that out here,right here, now.
We do not support anythingnegative used with that thin
blue line, red, gold, green,indifferent.
We're here, people, period, forthe right reasons, and I'll

(03:01:34):
leave it yep, guys, 100 likeyou're gonna.

Speaker 1 (03:01:41):
You're gonna hear us say some dumb shit.
That's gonna happen.
You're gonna hear us say somecool stuff.
You're gonna hear us like we'recoming here just being regular
old people.
I, I don't know another way toput it we hope, hope to have fun
with y'all and answer questionsand and have some understanding
together, because you guys keepus level.

(03:02:03):
That's the way I see the show.
We talked about this before theshow started.
I have 100% changed the waythat I've been policing because
of y'all, because of the waywe've discussed videos.
This idea, this platform, hasmade me a better cop.
Thank you, and I have passedthat on.
I think it's made other copsbetter cops.

(03:02:25):
So we're doing the right thing,y'all.
This is a different way to lookat it.
I just I hope y'all can stickwith us long enough to help us
keep continuously becomingbetter.
So, anyway, let's keep goingwith this video.
I want to see how they.
Kind of want to see thedifferent.
This is.

Speaker 7 (03:02:50):
We are on Forest View right now, coming up the beach.
Forest View coming up the beach98 Radio going to be,
Northbound Beach Forest View.
He's got a yacht.

Speaker 1 (03:03:08):
Oh yeah, Hit him.
Oh, he got him.
I would have done the samething he's got like an AR dude.
That's some good discipline.
Those cops are fucking.

(03:03:29):
That needs to be praised.
Your boy is running with an ar.
Holy shit like here.
Here's what I want you guys tothink about.
It wasn't that he was runningwith a gun in the vehicle.
He got out of the car.
He had to make a consciousdecision to grab the gun from

(03:03:51):
the vehicle and then continue torun.
How many nine out of ten timesyou're gonna get get shot for
that?
Black, white, green, purple, itdon't matter.
Nine out of ten times you'regoing to get shot for that.
These officers are amazing.
That needs to be praised.
This is what we're talkingabout.

(03:04:13):
You guys see all the bad copvideos you want to see, but how
often are you celebrating whenthey do great?
That was great.
That was great.
What do you?
Got Banny.

Speaker 6 (03:04:27):
Same thing.
I mean he's going to be able toanswer for whatever charges
started this.
He may get a little bit ofbruised and battered, just like
law enforcement does every day,just like other people do every
day, and he's going to be ableto go before a judge I mean
right now, where he's about tobe transported, and he's going
to be put in a holding cell, andprobably tomorrow morning or
later on this evening a judge isgoing to come around him and

(03:04:49):
then the court process startsand these guys are already going
to other calls yeah I mean, ifyou look at the big picture of
that, I mean that's what it isyep, and I love all the like.

Speaker 1 (03:05:00):
This is what makes me happy, guys.
You, you give a shit.
You you put us to the fire.
And when I say you give a shit,I don't mean that you're you're
being mean to us.
I mean you're you're putting,you're giving us tough questions
and you're you're holding usaccountable.
That's what we like, that'swhat we want.
Because I will outright,sometimes I will I'll privately
message Banning or somebody else.

(03:05:21):
I'm like I don't know how tofucking answer this question.
This is a good question.
I don't know how to handle it,and it's not because I'm trying
to weasel out of it.

Speaker 6 (03:05:31):
No, we try to answer this from our heart in our
training, heart being number one.
Are we always going to have theright answer?
No, but we always reflect to acall that may have been similar
within our career and how itoccurred, without scathing from
anything and it may not makeeverybody happy, but we try to
make the best decisions we canon scene.

(03:05:52):
You know, if we come to a sceneand there's 10 heartbeats, we
want to leave and there's 10heartbeats if that makes sense
and I hope that that catches agrasp with a lot of our
listeners and watchers out heretonight is we want to leave and
there's 10 heart beats if thatmakes sense.
I hope that catches a graspwith a lot of our listeners and
watchers out here tonight.
We want to preserve life.
I know everybody on this channelhas seen negative, negative
videos.
We've seen them too.
If Eric and I and Alan and allof us that are on this panel had

(03:06:14):
the power to stop every one ofthose, we would do it in a
frigging heartbeat.
However, we don't and that'swhy we bring this together.

Speaker 1 (03:06:26):
Well, bane and Froze, he froze and he's back you
there, banning.
Hello, he's having a littlethat couldn't have paused at the
best moment, like it was theperfect moment for it to pause.
For a fact, you still there,banning.
I can't hear him, he's yep, nowyou're there, okay.

(03:06:49):
So, yes, to back up whatBanning said, this is one of the
only, if not the only,platforms you are going to find
where you all get to participate, say your piece, that we can,

(03:07:15):
and that good luck findinganother one.
So, and we'll even highlightpeople like, uh, this guy right
here, uh, or girl, josephinepasquale.
Many innocent people are killedand locked up because of
criminal lying cops with a k, soyou know it's even more serious
.
Um, that's very vague.
In general, I can't really havepeople been locked up because
of lying cops.

(03:07:36):
Yes, I've actually had them onand interviewed them.
I've had people that have been,uh, success stories of the
innocence project, such as DerekHamilton.
I had him on the show he was onJoe Rogan.
We interviewed him.
He was falsely convicted,exonerated for homicide from a
corrupt I think it was NYPDdetective that I think about 27

(03:08:01):
of his cases ended up beinglooked into because of this one
case and it turns out hepossibly wrongly convicted 27
other people for homicide.
So I don't disagree with whatyou're saying.
My problem is, josephine, areyou coming here open and

(03:08:22):
honestly to have objectivediscussion, or are you just
coming here just to try to be anasshole.
That's the difference.
If you're here just to be anasshole, that's the difference.
If you're here just to be anasshole, then only you know that
answer.
This ain't the place for you.
But if you're here to have thetough questions, ask us, hold us

(03:08:43):
to the fire.
We will answer.
We are here for that.
That's what we're here for.
If I don't have the rightanswer, I'm sorry.
I'm going to be honest.
So, uh, jason Elledge said Iagree with you, sarge.
Uh, I lived in Las Vegas andI've seen Metro act right and
I've seen them act donkey.
Uh, I think people don't likewhen supervisors sugarcoat

(03:09:08):
mistakes in the field.
Agreed, oh, 100% Agreed.
I have made my officersapologize in the field.
Hey, tell them you're sorryright now.
Hey, ma'am, sir, my officerfucked up.
Do you want to?
I don't want to say fucked up,but hey, my officer screwed up.
Do you want to file a complaint?
I'm the supervisor, I'm here.
Here's what that process lookslike.

(03:09:30):
But most of the time, when youlay out the education and why an
officer acts the way they do,sometimes it does help.
It's like a crab where if it'sspelled with a K, it means it's
not real.
Josephine said bring me on yourpanel.
Okay, do you want to be on it?

(03:09:52):
I just need you to have a micand a camera.
Your mic needs to be external.
I'm not doing a cell phone.
Audio is the most importantthing for what we do.
Any cops that we have on here,I don't let them do it either.
You need to have a mic and youneed to have a webcam.
If you're interested, reach outto us.
We'll get you on here.

(03:10:13):
We'll discuss whatever it isyou want to discuss.
That is also the difference inwhat we do compared to other
people is I invite every singleperson that's anti-cop on here.
Nobody has taken that yet,except for my guys that were
wrongly convicted.
It's not that they wereanti-cop, they just wanted to
share their experience.
Let's keep going here.

(03:10:37):
Let's go to the next video.
That was a great video.
That was a great video.
We still have a ton of peopleon.
By the way, vanny, come here.

Speaker 7 (03:10:49):
Come here, come here now 215.

Speaker 8 (03:10:54):
I got oneanny Come here, come here, come here, now
215.
I got one running 124.

Speaker 1 (03:10:57):
Stop him, Dude.
You can't.
What was that?
I don't know how big he says it, though.
Oh, I'm sorry I'm going to goback.
That all happened very fast forme.

Speaker 7 (03:11:14):
Hey, come here, come here.

Speaker 8 (03:11:20):
Come here now, 215.
I got one running.
Stop him, shoot you.

Speaker 1 (03:11:24):
Damn Okay, there are some people that will get mad.
He said stop, because I'llfucking shoot you.
Listen, there are some peoplethat will get mad.
He said stop, because I'llfucking shoot you.
Listen, he said that becausehe's trying to avoid using a use
of force.
It's a bluff.
I was hoping to scare him intostopping so we don't have to run
after him.

(03:11:44):
We don't have to chase him.
We don't have to tase him.
We don't have to tackle him.
We don't have to shoot him.
We don't have to do that.
Imagine if he stopped in histracks because this officer all
of a sudden said stop, or I'llfucking shoot you.
That is why he did what he didand I'm okay with that.
So for everybody's I know youshouldn't talk to people like no
, if it stops somebody in theirtracks, so I don't have to use

(03:12:05):
force later.
That's, that's the best casescenario, that that's a bluff
I'm okay with.
Show me your.

Speaker 9 (03:12:15):
Show me your.

Speaker 1 (03:12:16):
Did he run back to the car?

Speaker 6 (03:12:18):
Oh, yeah, Okay so we just ran in a circle here.

Speaker 1 (03:12:25):
Andy Fletcher said having him run in the snow.
Ugh yeah, I agree with you.
I grew up in Michigan, y'allhey stop running in the snow.
Yeah, I agree with you, I grewup in Michigan y'all hey Stop,
is he alone with three people?
I thought that was anotherofficer, if you guys can see my
mind, but it's not so I thinkI'm guessing here we tried to do

(03:12:49):
a traffic stop.
This guy fled from it, but wegot two other people here.
Were they the other ones in thecar.

Speaker 6 (03:13:00):
I'm trying to figure everything out.

Speaker 1 (03:13:01):
He's in over his head here.
This is a shit storm.
I don't even know how I wouldhandle this.
Okay, and I've got the luxuryof I'm.
I paused it and I'm guessingI'm gonna run wide back to my
vehicle and try to use myvehicle's cover, because this is

(03:13:24):
insane.
Like, what do you do here?
I don't know, banny, will yougot anything?
I the fuck, I don't know whatto do here.
Am I frozen or can?

Speaker 6 (03:13:33):
you hear me.

Speaker 1 (03:13:34):
I can hear you, can you hear?

Speaker 6 (03:13:35):
me.
Yeah, no, I just I'm looking atmy other picture up here and it
looks like I'm frozen still, soI didn't know you're good bro.
I didn't know if these we'rewatching this video for the
first time, just like y'all are.

Speaker 1 (03:13:57):
Yeah, um, harrison brock said eric, what would you
do if one of your la's told youto saying no to saying sorry to
somebody?
But that, okay, whether or notthey say sorry really makes no
difference to me.
If they fucked up and theperson wants to press the issue,
if they, if the, the, thecitizen says no, this ain't

(03:14:21):
right.
Like I want you to do something, I'm going to do something.
I'm going to write them up, I'mgoing to do whatever.
Um, and depending on theirhistory, depends on the level
that that's going to be.
It really has no difference ifthey do it or not, because they
could say that they're sorry,but the person still wants
something done.

(03:14:41):
Hey, my guy's going toapologize to you, cool, okay,
here he is.
He apologized.
Okay, go away.
I'm going to make my guy goaway because I don't want him
around.
I don't want the person to feelobligated to say no in front of
him.
This is how I handle things.
So, once my guy's long gone,I'm going to say listen, they're
gone, they're out handlingcalls.
Now Do you want to push thisany farther?

(03:15:04):
Do you want to make a complaint?
And that's how I'm going tohandle it because it makes no
difference.
What I want, it's you.
Do you want to file a complaint?
And then now it's on thatperson.
More often than not, I I can sayI a hundred percent of the time
.
Anytime that I have come up toa person that I've witnessed one

(03:15:26):
of my officers be rude orwhatever you know, not handle it
the right way, I've come up andtold my officer hey, you need
to go over there and you need toapologize and you need to tell
them why you said what you said,because oftentimes they don't
realize it.
But when you explain why youdid what you did, that helps.
So then, once my officer doesthat, all right, go away.

(03:15:47):
I make them leave the scenecompletely.
Hey, ma'am, sir, my officer'sgone.
Do you want to file a complainton them?
If you do, I understand andI'll make that happen.
Most, 100% of the time, they'relike no, I didn't look at it
the way that he said so, no, Idon't want to do that.
That's why I do what I do.

(03:16:09):
I hope that answers yourquestion.
Sorry, let me keep playing here.
I don't know what I do here.
Guys, the driver's your concern, oh.

Speaker 7 (03:16:23):
Get out of the car.

Speaker 1 (03:16:25):
Damn, I'm not going to lie.
I don't know that I've everbeen able to draw a baton that
quick.
That was pretty quick for youBanning.

Speaker 6 (03:16:38):
I have on a couple instances, but I mean it wasn't,
it wouldn't be, it wouldn't bethis.
But again, I don't know whatall started this.
I mean that's, that's the wholething with these videos, guys,
is we don't know the beginning.
It would help everybody in thewhole picture if we knew the
entire circumstances here.
But we're trying to guess onwhat's available on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (03:16:56):
Yeah.
So what is unique about whatwe're doing, guys?
We don't know any of thedetails, we don't read into them
, we don't know nothing.
We are talking out of our assbased on what we see.
That is what is the biggestdifference about what we're
doing as cops.
Cops will not discuss anythingbased simply on what they see,

(03:17:20):
and that is one of the biggestfrustrations to me.
As a cop, I can give you somesort of feedback based on what
I'm watching, without the wholepicture, with the caveat of
saying I don't know the wholepicture, listen.
Based on what I'm watchingwithout the whole picture, with
the caveat of saying I don'tknow the whole picture, listen,
based on what I see.
Now, if I get new information,I will change my opinion, and
that is why we do what we do.

(03:17:41):
But if you guys are going tomake a judgment by the videos
that you're seeing, why can't wehelp out?
Why can't we give a lawenforcement perspective based on
the same shit?
You guys see, that's thedifference.
So, um, just looking at thecomments andy fletcher said,

(03:18:01):
with the distance and the snow,that's a scary situation.
Um, plain jane.
No traffic stops for pettyinfractions, no victim, no crime
, just depends.
So, like in this situation, Idon't know.
We don't know what the stop was.

(03:18:22):
We don't even know if this wasa traffic stop.
This could have been a suspectvehicle, this could have been a
lot of things, so let's not gettoo invested Put it apart, I'll
shoot you.

Speaker 9 (03:18:31):
Put it apart, put it apart.
So let's not get too invested.

Speaker 1 (03:18:36):
Okay, a reasonable person doesn't continue to try
to put the car in drive while acop's on top of their ass
swinging a baton around.
I can hear the gas.
He's pressing.
The gas shots fired 215 shotsfired okay, we've had this

(03:19:12):
discussion Creating your ownexigency.

Speaker 6 (03:19:18):
There's no reason for it.
Again trying not to quarterbackhere, but it's just not how
Banning operates.

Speaker 1 (03:19:24):
It's not how I operate.
If he starts taking off, I'mbacking out.

Speaker 6 (03:19:28):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (03:19:30):
I am not going to take somebody's life simply
because they're trying to getaway.

Speaker 6 (03:19:37):
Hey, just for shits and grins.
Pull up the details on thisonce we're done.
And what else is policeactivity added to this that we
may?

Speaker 1 (03:19:46):
help?
Yeah, I will.
So yeah, I will say this is nothow I would have handled it.
As soon as he started to try todrive off, I'm backing off
myself.
I can hear him pressing.
As soon as that car starts tomove, I'm backing out.
Try to get him out.
I get it, but no, unless thisguy's wanted for something

(03:20:12):
heinous guys, but we don't knowthat yet.
So that makes me lean towardsthis.
Is this a traffic stop?

Speaker 6 (03:20:27):
Is it an investigation or a traffic stop?

Speaker 1 (03:20:29):
Right this car was parked.
He was already long out of thatvehicle.
Did he flee and then get tohere?
I don't know Things to consider.
Come here.
Come, come here now.
Okay.
So he's really got no excuse.
This is a fully uniformedpolice officer.
This is a fully marked policeunit.
You know you're supposed tostop.

(03:20:51):
He runs from him.
Okay, fair enough.
Do these guys get back in thecar?
They do, don't they, cuz therewas some one dude did.

(03:21:13):
So they're trying to get thekid out.

(03:21:40):
Wow, okay, so that occurred wellaway from where I thought it
happened.
I thought it was all in thatone spot.
Yeah, so there was a kid in thecar and you could hear them
saying the kid or something likethat.
I don't know.
Now my thought process has kindof changed.

(03:22:02):
Like now you got, if I let himflee, now I'm letting a kid
knowingly being endangeredbecause who knows what he's
going to do when he runs in thiscar.
Did the cop know that there wasa kid in there?
So this isn't necessarily justbeing scared for your safety,

(03:22:25):
your personal safety.
This is in protection of athird party, a child.
Oh, oh, I don't know.
This is why we don't mondaymorning quarterback.
I can't, can't, say yes or noin this situation.
Y'all, what do y'all think inthe comments?
Um, now that there's a kidinvolved, what?

(03:22:46):
What do you think?
Uh, plain jane said what?
Uh, I wasn't necessarilytalking with me't necessarily
talking about Rolling Stop withno, oh, I'm sorry, it's probably
not what she meant to talkabout here.
So the guy Did not run back tothe car.
Where's backup?
Suspect Don't know where isbackup.

(03:23:10):
We don't know what we'redealing with.
Might be three guys on dutytoday and the next guy is 15
minutes away.
We don't know.

Speaker 6 (03:23:20):
I wish my backup was 15 minutes away.

Speaker 1 (03:23:23):
I don't, guys, I'm going to give you 100% Levine
right now.
I don't know on this one.
This one is tough.
It is a tough call.
There's a kid in the car.
He's obviously willing to runin the vehicle with the child in
the car.
I don't know if it's a baby orwhat, but it's a child, I don't

(03:23:45):
know.
I definitely retract my backingoff and not doing anything.
If it had just been him andanother adult, then, yes, I
would have backed out.
But there's a kid in the car.
You can't, you can't retreat onthat.

Speaker 6 (03:24:02):
You know, I don't, and I never did, anytime dealing
with this as a single-personunit rolling up and the driver
just takes off.
If you've got other people inthe car where you don't know,
you're clearing that car beforeyou're going after that person,
and what probable cause do wehave to go after that person?
That's what I want to know.
If there's something in thecomments to where maybe

(03:24:24):
something was known, this was a911 call on something else, I
really can't state without evenreading it yet that he's just
rolling into this alley and he'slike, hey, there's a guy
getting out of the car, I'mgonna run.
There's got to be more of thesituation.
You know and try not toquarterback it much, but golly,
man, I mean this anytime youhave kids or just other people

(03:24:46):
involved, as uh yeah, uh.

Speaker 1 (03:24:49):
Andy fletcher said it sounded like the car crashed
into the house on the right.
Just as you froze the video,let me, I'll go back.

Speaker 6 (03:24:55):
I think that was the gunshot, I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (03:24:57):
Let's go back right there.
He's hitting the gas he must bein.
Like that's when the officersand the driver's door, you see
it at them Spinning the tires.
That's a gunshot, gunshot,gunshot, gunshot, gunshot and I

(03:25:23):
believe that's the end of it.
Yeah, that's the end of it.
So let's check out thosedetails.
Yeah, we're going to go to thedetails on this one.
We don't do this, but I'm goingto read it.
Rock Island Illinois.
On January 5th 2025, atapproximately 3.15 pm, rock
Island Police Department BrettTaylor was conducting patrol in

(03:25:43):
a fully marked squad vehicle inthe area of the 12th Street and
34th Avenue on Rock IslandIllinois.
Officer Taylor noticed a maroon2013 ford fusion traveling
northbound towards his squad car, then immediately turned left
into an alley.
He noted that the windows wereheavily tinted, but believed he

(03:26:04):
saw two male subjects in thefront seat.
Officer taylor ran the licenseplate of the vehicle, which was
was registered to both21-year-old Jakarta Jackson and
female.
Numerous no female, oh, and afemale.
Numerous alerts came back fromthe vehicle, including a weapons

(03:26:24):
caution and recent involvementin a fled vehicle report.
There was also an activewarrant for Jackson out of Rhode
Island County.
Officer Taylor located theparked vehicle in the driveway
of 2403 12th Street, laterdetermined to be a vacant home.
Officer Taylor was parked in asquad behind the vehicle.

(03:26:45):
When he saw Jackson walkingaway, he initiated his flashing
lights for traffic stop andexited the squad, yelling verbal
cans commands for Jackson tostop.
Jackson did not stop againrunning around.
We know that um threatening toshoot.
He did not have a, although hedid not have his weapon drawn.

(03:27:06):
Jackson dah dah, dah, dah, dahdah dah dah pushing the gear in
a project and pulls back intothe driveway struggling uh,
pushing the gear in a park.
Jackson pulls back into thedriveway, struggling to go in
reverse.
Officer Taylor appears to behanging onto Jackson and onto
the car door as Jackson isdriving forward down the side of
the yard on the hill andstrikes a street sign before

(03:27:28):
spinning and stopping at thebottom of 12th Street.
Officer Taylor appears to fallbackwards when the car hits the
street sign and is then seenwith his weapon, discharging it
five times, hitting Jackson inthe glute and lower torso.
Officer Taylor then movesJackson out of the vehicle while

(03:27:49):
another officer arrives toassist.
Cpr and other life-savingmeasures were administered to
Jackson.
The investigator later revealedthat there were six individuals.
Holy shit, there were sixpeople in that car in the fourth
fusion when he initiated thestop, one male along with two

(03:28:12):
minor children and athree-year-old and a
six-year-old in the back seat.
The vehicle did not have childsafety restraints or seating, so
there were just loose kids inthe back.
No other passengers werephysically injured during the
incident.
There were no weaponsdiscovered on Jackson or inside
the Ford Fusion.
Officer Taylor was taken to anearby hospital for treatment

(03:28:34):
and was released.
Oh, so he didn't die.
Oh no, officer Taylor was.
Jackson did not survive hisinjuries.
Two of the adult passengerswere also at the top of the hill
, observed the car drivingforward with Officer Taylor
attached to the driver's sidedoor.
Okay, with Officer Taylorattached to the driver's side
door.
Okay.
So Tiffany T is saying copcreated that mess, did he?

(03:29:01):
He initiated a stop Person, ranthe driver.
He chased after the driver whichis normal and it turned into
what it turned into.
So I wouldn't say he createdthe mess.
I think he did what he wassupposed to do and then it just

(03:29:27):
turned into a shit show.
So it's a hard one.
That's a hard one Like for me.
You got the kids in the car.
That changed everything.
That really did, becauseinevitably, when you go to pull
someone over and that happens,you're not supposed to go
chasing the passengers, you'resupposed to chase the driver.
That's the person you're tryingto stop Banning.
Is that how you looking at it?

Speaker 6 (03:29:49):
is.
But different areas, differentways to do things that make
sense.
You know, just like that hedidn't have any backup right
there.
Personally, I'm not chasing him.
I'm staying with the people.
I'm trying to figure out what'sgoing on.
Obviously we can id him, writepaper on him and catch him later
yeah, even if he's going toloop back and then we can deal

(03:30:11):
with it on that deal.
But once you realize you havekids in that car and you have
multiple folks that are in thecar, let's investigate a little
bit further.
We're getting on the radio,we're letting dispatch know,
comms know Get some folks herefigure out what's going on.
If we get a lockdown in thearea, if it's a bad deal, that's
fine.
But good Lord, I'm notquarterbacking and that's the

(03:30:34):
way he was trained.

Speaker 1 (03:30:35):
I will say, if I'm alone, I'm not chasing anybody,
right, I'm not going like ifthere's a car full of people I'm
just going to be like, allright, see ya, I'm going to find
out who you are from yourfriends.
They're not going to cover foryou.
I I'm gonna figure out who youare and just put an invading
charge on you and that's it.
So I kind of get where she'scoming from.
I say she, where it was hername, uh, tiffany.

(03:30:59):
Yeah, that's why I said she.
She said, uh, he shouldn't havechased, and I, I agree with
that.
I I wouldn't have, I wouldn'thave, I I wouldn't say he
shouldn't have, just saying itwasn't a wise choice, what I
personally would not have,because I would have went old
school and been like I'm notgetting tired for no reason and
I'm just going to find out whoyou are from your people.

(03:31:20):
But that's 18 years of talking,that's 22 years of police
experience coming from Banny,somebody, somebody had made a
comment and doesn't matter whoit was.

Speaker 6 (03:31:30):
But you know, this is something to the effect of why
are you stopping somebody for adefective taillight or a license
plate light?
Well, just part of myexperience and I'm just one law
enforcement officer I've gottentwo people wanted for murder out
of separate states, one being ataillight out, the other one
being a license plate light outthose minor traffic infractions.

(03:31:52):
And again, I'm not a big ticketwriter and I'm going to tell
you right now, if I light upsomebody with a taillight out or
a headlight out or somethinglike that, and they take off my
initial before they flee, whichbecomes a felony.
My initial is what's called aClass C in the state of Texas,
which is just traffic.
I'm cutting it off unless I'vegot a stolen vehicle or

(03:32:13):
something else to articulate toput other people in danger, and
then it's got to be elevated atthat.
I've canceled more pursuits onmy own accord without a
supervisor canceling it, evenwhen I was a slick-sleeve
officer, because I can run thatreel in my head seeing so many
bad things.
I don't want to be the guythat's responsible for a guy

(03:32:34):
that stole his mother's car andit came as what's called a UUMV
in the state of Texasunauthorized use of motor
vehicle and we go and get into apursuit and he ends up rolling
that car into a living room andkilling somebody.
I will cancel a pursuit beforeI will go with it, unless it's
one of these.
If this guy gets away, he isprobably going to hurt or kill

(03:32:55):
somebody else.
That's the only reason I'mgoing to chase till the wheels
fall off and I'm different withother law enforcement on that so
.

Speaker 1 (03:33:02):
So Mama G said so if someone takes off or takes a
left-hand turn, avoiding the copor not, and windows tinted, so
windows are too dark, itdeserves shooting incident.
Shake my head.
That's not what we're saying.
What we're saying is you pullsomeone over, you have a right

(03:33:22):
as a cop.
You're using the law.
That's the job.
If you don't like the way thatthe laws are, then you need to
get them changed.
And that's the beauty of thisnation is that we can get laws
changed through votes and havingthe people stand up and say, no
, we don't like that anymore.
But that's not the case.
So having tint too dark is alaw.
So that is justification for atraffic stop.

(03:33:44):
Is it something I would do?
No, I live in Texas.
It gets hot.
I would think you're nuts fornot having tint and having dark
tint I get it.
However, let's just say we'regoing to go with whatever state
this is or whatever it's againstthe law, and they decide to do
a traffic stop.
That is not why they decided toshoot somebody.

(03:34:06):
They didn't say, oh, his tint'stoo dark.
They didn't do that, guys.
The way that you're trying toexplain that is it's dishonest.
I'm not saying you're dishonest, mama G.
I'm just saying that'sa veryweak and generalization, and you
know that Deep down.
You know that that's ageneralization and that's not
what happened.

(03:34:26):
What happened was he tried topull him over for a traffic stop
.
Hey, your tint's too dark.
Let me find out what's going on.
This car's been seen to flee, sothere's obviously something
going on.
They're cops.
That's what you want your copsto do.
You want them to dig into stuffwhere people are running from
police.
That's the proactive side ofpolicing.

(03:34:48):
You get mad if they don't dotheir job.
You get mad when they do dotheir job.
It's a catch-22, no matter what.
So this person ran the plate,found a car that happens to have
fled from police before, andthey try to do a traffic stop
based on some minimal stuff thatthey could find, and then, lo
and behold, guess what?
The person runs again.
So now he chases after him.

(03:35:11):
This is where we have somecommon ground.
I want to chase them.
I had five, six people jump outof the car like.
I'm gonna figure out who youare based on that.
Then we can write a warrantlater.
There's no reason to go anyfarther.
But that's old.
This that's experience speaking.
A younger cop may not havethought that way.
Younger cop's going to see therabbit runs.

(03:35:33):
I chased the rabbit.
So he did.
He chased the rabbit and hepaid for it.
It wasn't because of tint, itwas because of series of things
that happened and based on histraining experience, which was
limited, that's what he did.
He chased after him.
So then he gets up there andhe's like oh shit, I'm in over

(03:35:53):
my head, I'm alone, and this guyis running in the car.
Oh shit, there's kids inside.
I can't let him run with kidsinside.
Now he's in a catch-22.
If he just backed up, let himgo and that guy wrecked out with
the kids in the car, what wouldyou be saying?
Why didn't he go out?
Why didn't try to get him outof the car?
People would be pissed becausehe didn't try to get him out of
the car.
People would be pissed becausehe didn't try to get him out of
the car.
So he tried to get him out ofthe car the best way he knew.
It's a shitty spot, guys.

(03:36:19):
So I can't give you a right orwrong answer.
I hope you're not looking at meand like, oh, you better say
the right thing.
I'm not going to, I don't knowhow to, but to sit there and go.
It was over 10.
No, it wasn't over 10, it was aseries of events.
This is what happened.
This is what led to that.
So Andy Fletcher said Iwouldn't have chased him.

(03:36:46):
That's our point.
Okay, but that doesn't makewhat that person did wrong.
Just because I wouldn't have,because we're sitting here,
we're watching in hindsight,guys, you, this is the hard part
and this is and this is where Ichallenge y'all that are kind
of pushing that way.
Let me run you through ascenario.

(03:37:09):
Let me put a badge and a gunbelt on you with all the tools
available and then put youthrough that.
I want you to tell me thatthat's how you would respond.
It's easy to sit back and saythat's how you would respond,
but you don't know until you'vedone it.
Let's have an honestconversation, honest.
What do you got, bainey?

Speaker 6 (03:37:32):
No, I'm right there with you.
I mean, you put 100 cops bythemselves into a room.
They watch this video with theinformation that we had and you
may have 50 different answers.
With 100 cops on how that'sgoing.
You may have 100 differentanswers and it all goes back to
their training, how many yearsthey've had in the field.
I'm a big proponent, same as youis is where are we getting

(03:37:56):
these guys?
We're plucking them, we'rebringing them into law
enforcement.
Can they communicate to beginwith?
What's their background whiletraining?
Are we just filling a seat with?
It's a warm body and he canpass a B and C tests and now
we're putting them out there onthe street.
You know, and if Eric and Icould have our way and to make
sure that each cop knows how tocommunicate when they come out

(03:38:16):
and use all their senses, when,when they go to stop somebody
and and use all the safetythat's afforded to us with
whatever department that we'rewith, then maybe you might not a
hundred percent have adifferent outcome on some of
this stuff.
Is it the best way?

Speaker 1 (03:38:30):
No, but we're just using our training and
experience to say say that typeof thing.
Yeah, josephine, you know I, Iappreciate your comments, but
you're being a littledisingenuous.
The man did nothing to bekilled for if those were your
kids in the back seat, is thatwhat you would be saying?
Because I know what I'd besaying if my kids were in the

(03:38:52):
back seat.
I know what I'd be saying.
So I don't know you, you don'tknow me, so we'll, we'll leave
it at that.
I don't think any less of you.
I just think that you're beinga contrarian intentionally.
I'll just put it that way.
There's plenty of people onhere that know and have called

(03:39:18):
us out and have called out otherbad stuff and we've been able
to meet common ground.
But to say that type of thing,let it be your kids in that back
seat, and then tell me how youwould feel about a person that's
trying to flee from the copsand that cop did nothing.
That cop does nothing and theyflee with your kids in the car.

(03:39:40):
That cop doesn't know whosekids those are.
That's the one thing us as cops, we don't play around with, at
least for me.
Kids.
You want to make me emotionallyinvested really quick.
It's children.
I try to be very objective andtry to keep a non-emotional

(03:40:02):
level about some of the stuff Ido.
Kids get involved.
I will tell you I am 100%.
There's a whole reason.
I've never done crimes againstchildren.
Bannon you ever done that?

Speaker 6 (03:40:14):
For two days.

Speaker 1 (03:40:17):
For two days.

Speaker 6 (03:40:19):
That's all I got to say because I probably would
have been a, I would have beenunemployed.

Speaker 1 (03:40:24):
It takes a special.

Speaker 6 (03:40:26):
There's so many hats that we wear in law enforcement
from all the different criminalelements that we have special
units for.
That's one unit that I wouldsay probably less than one
percent of law enforcement canhandle without starting a Glock
or crossing that fourthamendment line and taking
somebody out on an admissionthat they did something to a

(03:40:48):
child.
Yep, I'm gonna leave it at that.
And, like I said, I was inthere for a small amount of time
and I decided I'm going back tonormal patrol canine narcotic
because that's that's my area ofexpertise and whenever I run
into something like that I bringin the professionals, because I

(03:41:09):
am not.
I would be the first one totell you I am not the
professional to go interviewsomebody.
What we get trained to do is lawenforcement and sit down and
have this hunky dory meetingwith an SOB.
It's done something to a childor hurt a child because I'm
going to be in prison as soon asI if I get in the middle and

(03:41:32):
it's a a Ray Justay statementthat they committed a felony and
defiled or did something bad,yeah, my baggage is going away
and I'm going to prison becausethat's our next generation.
That's, that's the.
That's the truth.
You look at everything in theworld that is the true innocence
is our children.
Yep, I have that special personto be able to do that and I'm

(03:41:55):
not the guy.

Speaker 1 (03:41:56):
Yep, I'm not the guy either.
I can't Guys, I've been.
I don't want to say offered,but somebody had asked me if I'd
consider doing crimes againstchildren internet crimes against
children and I just can't do it.
I just can't do it.
So, um know thyself and I knowme, I would get emotionally

(03:42:18):
invested.
It would eat me, it'd eat me upand I don't know that I could
be fair to somebody that I wasum investigating as a suspect.
So eye of the night said oh,banning decided to show up to
the show, glad to see you back.
I tried to read that in hisvoice.
Sigma Lord said I would bearrested, the car knowing a cop

(03:42:42):
is trying to stop you.
Like you are the worst of theworst people.
You were trying to flee withkids in the car.
So that's why I look at you,know, josephine, and I'm like

(03:43:04):
come on, you are being a.
I don't, josephine, I believeyour heart's in the right place.
I really do.
I really think that you haveyour heart in the right place,
but you are not being genuine,you are being a contrarian on
this particular topic.
I will believe thatwholeheartedly.

(03:43:24):
I think at the end of the dayyou would have done the same
thing, because you are not goingto risk kids.
You're not going to riskchildren.
So Eye of the Knight said goodthing too.
We need someone to superviseEric off.
Eye of the Knight, you're notwrong, though I do need some

(03:43:46):
supervision.
Let me go to the next video.
Banny, how long you got bud.
I'm feeling good.
We have literally almost 300people logged on right now.
That shows on Restream.

Speaker 6 (03:43:59):
If you want to go for another hour, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (03:44:03):
Fuck it.
So just for those listening,when we see our numbers on
Restream, Restream's numbers arevery off.
If it shows 30 people, thatmeans we've got anywhere from
1,000 to 2,000 people.
When it shows us that we have300 people, that means we have a
lot of people still logged on.
And if you're wondering likehow the fuck do you know that,

(03:44:24):
it's because it's onlyregistering my stuff, it's not
registering Matt's stuff, it'snot registering Banning's stuff,
which he's got his LinkedInBanning.
How many LinkedIn followers doyou have?
30,000?

Speaker 6 (03:44:35):
31,000.
Yeah, I don't look at them asfollowers.

Speaker 1 (03:44:39):
Eric, I look at them as connections, connections,
whatever the fuck you want tosay.
So, tomato, tomato.
So yeah, guys, I don't evenknow how many Matt has, so
that's just to give you an idea.
So thank you, guys.
If we have 30 people that arelogged on, we consider that a
classroom.
If anybody's teaching a class30 people or more that's a great

(03:45:00):
class to be teaching.
So we are here for y'all, solove it.
Josephine said damn it.
I clicked it, eric.
I'm not disrespecting, so stopdisrespecting.
I'm not disrespecting, so stopdisrespecting.
I'm not disrespecting.
You Listen, if you're going totry to call us out, we're not
going to just sit back and letyou slap at us.

(03:45:23):
We're going to come back at you.

Speaker 6 (03:45:24):
We're not being mean, I'm not saying that, josephine,
we love that you're here.
Yes, this is 100% Again, eric,and I don't make any money for
this.
Anybody on our panel doesn'tthat this?
This is not for zero.
To be honest with you, I don't,I don't care for the camera, I
don't care, but but this is inmy heart.
I've retired, I know, because mymy mother's always told me I

(03:45:54):
have a great face for radio,meaning face is getting awfully
red from all them coors, by theway, it is man and uh.
But no, seriously, guys, we'rehere for you and, josephine, if
it's come across that way, it isnot.
We love that you have a voice.
We're not gonna, we're notgonna put out your voice if we
disagree.
We're gonna tell you because wealready know.
If you guys disagree with us,you're gonna tell us, and that's
what this panel is all about.
You know, in the end of this,I'm hoping in two to three years

(03:46:15):
from now, that there's a lot ofpeople here tonight that may
get some A different methodologyof thought of what a human
being that carries a badge isgoing out there and doing.
I'm not saying we were thefirst ones to tell you.
We don't think that every copis right and justified in what
they do out there.

(03:46:35):
We're we're not an echo chamber, like, like Eric stated, we're
not here to say, by golly, we'repolice officers.
No right, we want to hear yoursides.
What, what?
You know, there wouldn't be anycops if it wasn't for the
general public and you are thegeneral public.
We're bringing you in here tohave a voice as well.
It's not just for us.
Getting off my soapbox.
I know eric's gonna go toanother video, but we love all

(03:46:58):
of y'all.
Regardless of we're indifferent and different stuff,
we're all humans.
I'm gonna go right back to that.
We are all humans in this.

Speaker 1 (03:47:04):
Yeah, uh, shout out to jason eldridge.
I haven't heard from him, soI'm gonna.
He said real, talked 11 yearsin casino security in Las Vegas,
so he's definitely handled somerough.
Bush have handled most callsother than active murder.
We had a guy get stabbed in thegarage and I can, I can yell

(03:47:26):
violate, crime, sucks, violentcrime.
Yeah, violent crime.
I think he's, I don't know I't.
Yeah, sorry, sorry, brother,between the smoke wagon and then
trying to read that I don'tknow what you meant, so yeah so.

Speaker 6 (03:47:43):
So, in reference to andy's that one that just popped
up at the top I want more copsto watch.
Let me tell you, brother, thereare, there's a, there's a lot of
law enforcement that arewatching right now, but the way
the rules dictate and theirgeneral orders.
When they're a full-time peaceofficer at their department,
they don't read the fine printon it and they're very careful
on where they come in and makecomments because they think it's

(03:48:05):
going to.
So I'm going to tell you rightnow there's just as many law
enforcement watching right nowand hopefully learn some stuff
from y'all and from us to helpthem in their career.
But there is a lot of activelaw enforcement and retired law
enforcement that watch the showas well.

Speaker 1 (03:48:18):
Just so everybody so what banning can back up?
What I'm about to tell you guysis I get messages, not just
from y'all, but from cops aswell, that tell me constantly
hey, been checking out yourchannel for the last month, or
been checking out your channelfor the last year or however
long it is.
It is so refreshing or it's socool to see, or, you know, it's

(03:48:40):
really awesome that a cop iscalling out.
You know other cops but also,like you, you're doing it really
well because it's even keeler.
However you want to say it,you're doing it really well
because it's even keeler,however you want to say it.
Every time we get thosemessages, I send it in our group
chat and show our guys.
I highlight it hey guys, themission that we are doing is

(03:49:00):
working.
Here's a cop saying this,here's a civilian saying this,
here's a cop saying this, and Ishare it with them every time.
I want it to be a motivatorthat somebody is like this is
awesome.
So cops are watching.
I will tell you, when I starteddoing this, it was for citizens.
That was my idea when I firststarted.
I was like oh, I want to helpteach citizens this, that and

(03:49:23):
the other.
You want to know who I'vetaught more than anybody Other
cops.
So, andy, it's working brother.
It is absolutely.
I have gotten more feedbackfrom cops.
So, andy, it's working brother.
It is absolutely, I have gottenmore feedback from cops.
You really want to see it?
Check out my LinkedIn.
Go to our two cops window onLinkedIn.
You'll see a lot more cops onthere.
Um, it's tends to be kind of amore professional format, so

(03:49:45):
they um do it for their job andall that stuff.
But that is where I've got alot of other officers that are
like I didn't think of it thatway.
Or, man, this is great.
This should be trainingeverywhere.
So, yes, other cops arewatching, but you're right, yeah
, more cops need to watch.
Sign up, follow us.
You spend so many hours on therange and you have to shoot and

(03:50:10):
you have to shoot in the vehiclewhile IQ of a goose.
I don't understand what thatmeans.

Speaker 6 (03:50:23):
Well, he's yelling it , it's all in caps.
I mean there's something wrong.
I mean it's obviously he raninto something.

Speaker 1 (03:50:30):
Some people have a hard time seeing, so they ran
into all kinds of things, sir.

Speaker 6 (03:50:33):
Richard the Lionheart man, stick around.
We're human just like you areman.
We're not perfect and we're notsitting.
We're claiming to be perfect.

Speaker 1 (03:50:41):
I'll put my foot in my mouth.
I will put my foot in my mouth.
I 100% guarantee it.
It's going to happen.
So let's go to the next video,though let's see.
Is that the right one?
Share Biggie size?
Oh, banning, by the way,apparently me saying biggie size

(03:51:01):
is a thing, it is.

Speaker 6 (03:51:04):
I get comments, even on LinkedIn, that you're not
even connected with.
They're like is Eric going tobiggie size it?
And I'm like are we going livetonight?
We're going to biggie size it.

Speaker 1 (03:51:19):
I didn't when I was a kid growing up, that was a big
thing.
Like you go through themcdonald's line, do they still?
All right, this tells you howun and how not in touch I am
with fast food, because the onlyfast food I really eat is
chick-fil-a um.
When I do decide to eat it,maybe sometimes some canes, but
do they still call it BiggieSize?
Can you Biggie Size that?

Speaker 6 (03:51:40):
I have no idea, I just eat vegetables.

Speaker 1 (03:51:43):
I don't know either.
You don't eat no fuckingvegetables.
What do you live on?
What is that?
Chicken fried steak, that'swhat you live on.
That's a Texas thing, y'all.
I never heard of chicken friedsteak until I moved down here.
All right, let's go.
All right, this doesn't lookreal.

(03:52:05):
Oh, your boy got a rival.
I was going to say he's got arival.
I was going to say he's got arival.
All right, this is theskeptical side of me.
Why the fuck is this cameraangle here?

Speaker 6 (03:52:23):
I think this is probably going to be a Tesla
video.

Speaker 1 (03:52:26):
This is going to be somebody's car.
You think that's a car, right?

Speaker 6 (03:52:28):
there.
Do you see that fender on thevery right side of the screen?

Speaker 1 (03:52:31):
Oh, you're right.
No, I didn't even notice that.
I'm like this is a weirdfucking angle.
Okay, all right, you kind ofwon me over.
All right, so we're watching arobbery?
I guess that's my guess.
Yep, is this like a?
Again, we don't know any.

(03:52:53):
I don't know any details.
I've never seen this.
Is this like a uber ride gonewrong?
I don't know, this is fuckingweird.
This is this is weird.
So, all right, let's keep going.
Okay, your boy is really trying.

(03:53:23):
We got no sound guys, so Iapologize, that's just the way
it is.
He's robbing two dudes on thesidewalk with what looked like
an AK to me like a.
Probably an SKS, but Okay, sothey're attacking his ass?
Okay, good for them.
All right, beautiful, listen, Idon't care what you got to do.

(03:53:48):
Meat, teeth and hair.
Go for it all Okay.
All right, I guess the thingthat we got to start thinking of

(03:54:08):
is if we're the police and weshow up to this.
That's kind of how I'm lookingat.
What the fuck do I do?
Okay, we'll keep going.
My boy's throwing elbows.
Yo, what the fuck is going on.
Oh, so the cops stumbled uponthis shit.
They don't know what the fuck'shappening.
Oh shit, this is dangerous Very, because I don't know who the

(03:54:31):
bad guy is.
Oh shit, this is dangerous Very, because I don't know who the
bad guy is.
Me looking at this as a cop, Idon't know who's the bad guy.

Speaker 6 (03:54:41):
All you want to do as a police officer is freeze the
scene so nobody gets hurt, andthen investigate it.

Speaker 1 (03:54:47):
Okay, so okay, I don't know what's going on.
Everybody's on the ground.
Get on your fucking face.
Everybody on their face Doesn'tmatter.
I don't know who's the bad guy.
So, for here, everybody on theground.
That's where I'm going rightnow.
Okay, this is a shittysituation because I'm going to

(03:55:13):
keep saying it over and overEverybody on their face,
everybody on their face,everybody on their face,
everybody on the ground.
Meanwhile, unbeknownst to me,these two dudes are fighting
over their fucking life.
Yep, holy shit, this is a badspot.
You don't know who's Fuck.
All right, let's keep Fuck,let's keep going.

(03:55:37):
So now, in this, the only thingthat I'm going to say is I've
got the advantage right now is Iknow who the bad guy is.

Speaker 9 (03:55:47):
Drop the gun, drop the gun, drop the gun.
Get off my head, get off myhead, get off my head, get off
of him.

Speaker 1 (03:55:54):
This is bad.
This guy right here is sofucking smoked right now.
He is so in over his head withjust fight or flight response.
Did you see his feet?

Speaker 6 (03:56:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:56:09):
I'm going to go back.
I want you guys to watch hisfeet.
This is not normal.

Speaker 7 (03:56:17):
Watch his feet.

Speaker 9 (03:56:19):
Drop the gun.
Drop the gun, get off of him,get off of him.

Speaker 1 (03:56:25):
My man just danced.
He doesn't know what the fuckto do and I don't blame him, no.

Speaker 6 (03:56:34):
You're looking down at people fighting over an.

Speaker 1 (03:56:36):
AK Damn bro.

Speaker 9 (03:56:51):
Rifle Shot fired.
Shot fired, shot fired.

Speaker 6 (03:56:55):
So it looks like one of the victims got hit in the
hand.

Speaker 1 (03:57:01):
Looks like one of them got hit.

Speaker 6 (03:57:02):
yeah, Luckily they shot the right dude.

Speaker 1 (03:57:07):
Okay, two minutes.
No audio capture during thetwo-minute buffer period.
Whose body camera has a twominute Okay?

Speaker 9 (03:57:16):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (03:57:24):
So I didn't hear that before.
But the guy's yelling he's gota gun, he's got a gun, shit even
, okay, even still.
You don't know.

Speaker 9 (03:57:35):
Drop the gun.
Drop the gun, get off of him,get off.

Speaker 1 (03:57:42):
So he sees the gun, he says it he's got an AK.
He's got an AK Like our body.
Armor's not stopping that.
So I understand his excitedutterance right here.
Don't blame him there.
Get everybody, everybody.

(03:58:03):
This is the one time you get tocall everybody.
Oh shit, I didn't mean to dothat.
Damn Dang it.

Speaker 9 (03:58:20):
Yes, sir, get off my head.
Yes, sir.
Get off my head, officerDeYoung.

Speaker 1 (03:58:28):
That shot right there .
I don't think that wasintentional.

Speaker 6 (03:58:31):
No, I think that was a sympathetic response with fear
, human fear, and that's atraining issue.
And is that excusable?

Speaker 1 (03:58:41):
No, yeah, I agree.
I don't think he meant to dothat.
I think that that was a fuck-upshot right there.
That may have been the handshot.
I don't know which one got shot, though that's a guy in blue.
Did he get shot, or was it theother dude?

Speaker 6 (03:58:56):
I think it was a dude in the darker clothes, but I'm
not sure.

Speaker 1 (03:58:58):
Okay, I'm going to go back just a little bit to see
if it's possible.
He's shot, he has a gun.

Speaker 9 (03:59:04):
Get off of him.
He has AK.
He has AK.

Speaker 1 (03:59:21):
Did anybody else fire ?
I think he's the only dude thatfired.
I'll go back.
I think he's the only one thatfired.
I don't even know the AK fire.
He's the only one that fired.

(03:59:52):
Not saying that him firing iswrong.
I agree with him shooting.
I think he was fine in that Idon't like.
But he obviously must have hitthat other guy somehow.
I don't know how he hit him.

Speaker 9 (04:00:12):
But Rifle One for Teef and Graham.
Hey, get down, get down.
One for Teef and Graham Graham.
Get down Get down Off the Offthe, off the hey shot.
He has the rifle, shot therifle.

Speaker 1 (04:00:27):
Yeah, he's fucking worked up Understandably so.

Speaker 6 (04:00:35):
Yeah, yeah, he's fucking worked up Understandably
.
So, yeah, that dude's probablygot me between a 180 and 190 on
heart rate and that goes to.
You know, right now I wouldn'tfeel comfortable with myself in
uniform because after I'vegotten out I've put on weight
and haven't worked out as much,I wouldn't feel confident being
in uniform right now.
But when I was in uniform anddoing everything that I did,
you've got to be able to controlthat heart rate and that's a
big thing with cardio andworking out and going out to

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these calls it could be going toa stolen bicycle call, going to
a homicide call directly afterthat.
You've got to be able to havecontrol of your mental and
physical capabilities out there.
And I don't know this dude'shistory.
I don't know any of that.
I'm not.
I'm not crucifying the policeofficer by any stretch.
I don't know this dude'shistory.
I don't know any of that.
I'm not crucifying the policeofficer by any stretch.

Speaker 1 (04:01:15):
I don't know what he's going in through in his
head being there on scene.
But it'll work, man.
Yeah, listen, it's a bad deal.
I honestly feel for that cop.
That is a shit situation.
You got three dudes fightingover a gun.
You don't know who the bad guyis.

Speaker 6 (04:01:27):
And then you have two complete victims that were just
walking the street.
I mean I think they are.
I mean we don't know thosestories, but from what's being
portrayed here is they'restanding in the street talking
and this guy comes up to robthem and then that's where the
scene starts the Tesla.
Now we can see I knew that wasa Tesla camera we can see the
Tesla there that's capturing allof this.
And thank God for that becausethat helps with court cases down

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the road.
And and thank God for thatbecause that helps with court
cases down the road.
And just so everybodyunderstands that they don't
agree with filming in public,these Teslas have solved a lot
of crimes.
All they're doing is recordingpublic space, just like when
you're walking down the sidewalk.
You know, eric and I both wedon't care about these First
Amendment auditors who go aroundand film everything that's in
the public view.
Go film whatever you want, man.

(04:02:09):
I mean, if you're in the publicview, go film whatever you want
, man.
I mean, if you're in the publicview, you're fine.
But these Teslas have actuallyhelped solve a lot of crimes.

Speaker 1 (04:02:15):
Yeah, and for me watching that I'm sitting there
going as the officer thatresponds.
I'm just like you're damned ifyou do, damned if you don't Like
.
You got to act, you got to dosomething.

(04:02:39):
And how reasonable is it forsomebody to continue to try to
pick up a gun while beingwrestled by two people and with
a cop right there?
He obviously did a good job atthreat assessing and going after
the right person.
He called out the right weapon,but he was worked up man.
He was fucking hyped.
His flight or flight was offthe charts right there.
Paralyzed almost in reference toyeah.
He did the happy dance while hewas doing that.

Speaker 6 (04:03:02):
David.

Speaker 1 (04:03:02):
Emmons did the AK fire first.
Perhaps I don't think so.
I think he fired because thatguy was grabbing the AK.
That's just my opinion.
Let's see where the video goes.

Speaker 9 (04:03:26):
Maybe something else on here I didn't see.
Drop the rifle Officer needshelp.
Hey, drop the rifle, let me getan OA.
Hey, he has a rifle.
Drop the fucking rifle,motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (04:03:42):
If he doesn't do anything other than put his
hands up, I'm shooting him more,so I'm glad to see it looks
like.
Now that I've seen that cameraangle, it looks like he's
putting his hands up.
Gotta secure that weapon.

Speaker 9 (04:04:07):
Hey, get over here.
Hey get away.

Speaker 1 (04:04:22):
Listen, this officer's response is completely
understandable when you knowthe flight or fight response.

Speaker 6 (04:04:30):
It's a very dynamic scene.

Speaker 1 (04:04:30):
Yeah, he's at his threshold understandable when
you know the flight or fightresponse.

Speaker 7 (04:04:32):
It's a very dynamic scene.

Speaker 1 (04:04:32):
Yeah, he's at his threshold.
This guy is.
He saw that AK.
He's fired his weapon at ahuman being, which we've never
done.
I understand it.
I'm not saying that's how Iwould respond.
I'm hoping I could do better,but we never know until we're in
that situation.

(04:04:53):
I've never fired my gun at aperson, banny, have you?

Speaker 6 (04:05:00):
I'm sorry, disconnecting here a little bit.
What'd you say?

Speaker 1 (04:05:04):
I said have you ever fired your weapon at somebody?
No, I've never fired my weaponat a person, come close, but
haven't had to do it.
So I don't think any of us canmake an honest assessment that
we know how we would react whenwe had to fire our gun at

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somebody until we've done it.

Speaker 9 (04:05:26):
so wanna keep going 1-13 to Graham.

Speaker 1 (04:05:30):
There's gonna be a my concern is where is this gotta
get that secured?
We gotta get an ambulancestarted because we shot.

Speaker 9 (04:05:44):
I think we shot this suspect and he was shot in
person.

Speaker 7 (04:05:54):
Hey partner, get the shield, let's move up on him and
take him to custody, right Allright, when are you ready?

Speaker 3 (04:06:01):
Hold on, let's get the shield.

Speaker 1 (04:06:08):
This is one of those times where I get a little
frustrated, and this is myarrogance.
I feel like I can read thesituation better than other
people.
This dude is not going for thatgun.
That's just my thought.
What do you think?
Banning, no, it's the samething he's given up.

Speaker 6 (04:06:29):
I don't know if he's been hit or not.
We've got a victim, a truevictim.
That's A true victim.
We've got to get him taken careof it's in a dog pile and his
hand or wrist or arm got hit.
So now it's our responsibilityto stop that bleed and make sure
he goes home with lessscratches.
I don't know if these guys evenknow where that rifle's sitting

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at right now because of theperpetual motion of the scene.
Yeah, it could be under the car, he could be sitting on it.
So I understand they're tryingto get a shield, they're trying
to do this and that, but Ibelieve what Eric's trying to
tell everybody is we wouldhandle that differently.
The guy's got his hands up overthere.
We're not going to lose thatgrasp and ground.
We're going to stay up there onhim.

(04:07:14):
We're going to get him down.
We're going to get him intocustody.
We're going to get medical onthe other folks and try to
unravel this, because whateverybody doesn't understand is
these officers haven't seen thisTesla video yet.
They haven't seen it and youknow this is blank minded to
them.
They're rolling up.
There's three guys fighting.
Dude on the bottom comes upwith an ar.
That's where we're truly atright now, and they've had to

(04:07:35):
deliver rounds down range in anunknowing situation.

Speaker 1 (04:07:37):
Yeah, and it's and this is real life police worker
here.
And to mama g's point she saidwhy shoot when you have no idea
what's going on?
That's not an unfair question.
I, I see where you're comingfrom.
However, in police work westart to break down, even if
it's subconsciously.
Like hey, when police show up,everybody usually just like ah,

(04:08:03):
that's a normal response.
99 of the time that's theresponse.
Guys fighting, guys, whatever itis stealing, you catch them in
the act of ah, shit, I was justlike this is a normal reaction
in a violent situation.
Honestly, it is so.
When there's guys fighting,he's got a gun, he's got it and

(04:08:25):
they're yelling this guy's got agun and he continues to grab
that gun and get up with itwhile the police arethat's not
normal, that's not a normalthing.
So I think they reallyjust—they did, they took a risk,
they were like all right oddsare that's not right and they

(04:08:45):
trusted their gut.
I'm not saying they're right orthey're wrong, but this is
where we can't really judge themunless we're in their shoes.
They made a gut call and guesswhat?
They were right.
So how do you get mad at that?
It's really how it comes downto you trust your gut while
you're on the scene during thatmoment.

(04:09:07):
Now let's say that that was aninnocent dude.
They're also fucked.
So I'm with you, mama G.
If they was wrong, then theydeserve to be punished as though
they were wrong.
But they trusted their gut,took what they had, based on
limited information and the ohshit.

(04:09:29):
That is why qualified immunityis a thing.
This is a prime example of whyqualified immunity is a thing,
because imagine being that guybecause if those cops didn't
fire and that guy shot them withan AK, you guys would be pissed

(04:09:49):
because those cops didn't act.
This is why we have thesediscussions, guys.
I'm hoping to have these typesof epiphany moments.

Speaker 6 (04:10:04):
Let's see how they take them into custody.

Speaker 7 (04:10:08):
Yeah, hey, don't move .

Speaker 8 (04:10:30):
We're going to move up right.
Hey, move on this side.
I'm glad they got up therequick.
Where's the?

Speaker 1 (04:10:35):
gun.
See, this is what irritates me.
There's no need to cuff him.
Find the wound, make sure hedoesn't have any guns on him.
Pat him down.
Feel the situation out, guys.
Pat him down.
Make sure there's no otherthreats.
Yes, but the dude shot up.

(04:10:55):
He's telling he's not doing.
You can read, I can read this.
Can you not read this banning?
Is it just me?
no, it's not just you I can read, like I feel like I can read
this like I I don't know, likethis, one of the things that
pissed me off.
You can read this this guyfucking fix him.
Fix him.
That's that's what your job isnow like putting him in cuffs,

(04:11:18):
like damn, like I don't know.

Speaker 6 (04:11:22):
We stopped the bleed on everybody, that's all.
It doesn't matter how itstarted, where it finished.

Speaker 1 (04:11:26):
Now it's time to stop , and that's where we're at
right, yeah, sigma, yeah, sigmaLord said QI is justifiable for
this, not for other instances,agreed.
There are some instances whereI'm like why?
And that's why we got to holdour courts accountable, why we
got to hold our correctionsaccountable.
You've got a lot and I put avideo out recently.

(04:11:48):
You know what I'm going to showthat video.
I'm going to show that video.
I know what that video is.

Speaker 6 (04:11:54):
I know what that video is.
I'm going to step away for onesecond.

Speaker 1 (04:11:56):
Okay, you're good, let me see Where'd it go.
Was it this one?
Give me one second.
Nope, that's not the one I'mlooking for.
Give me one second.
I am looking for this video.
I put a video out today or theday before.

(04:12:16):
I can't find it.
But anyway, my point is there'stimes where qualified immunity
is that's why it's there andthen the other times when it's
not, and then people get mad.
It's not the police you're madat, it's the courts.

(04:12:38):
Why are they allowing thequalified immunity to be there,
versus not Hold them accountable?
Where is the review board?
Where's the citizen reviewboard for the courts?
Where's the citizen reviewboard for your prosecution?
Where's the citizen reviewboard for your judges?
Have them there for that.
You guys have held policeaccountable.

(04:13:01):
You guys are doing great.
We are walking on eggshells,y'all, I promise you.
But you know where we keepfucking up is on prosecution.
That's my point.
Why the hell are some peoplenot?
Why are they getting qualifiedimmunity?
Where are we failing?

(04:13:21):
It's not at the police level.
It's higher than that.
Follow through on that.
I just put a video out ofcorrections office.
That's the video I was lookingfor.
I found it.
I'm going to pause it and I'mgoing to share it.

(04:13:42):
Share this instead.
So I'm going to play this.

Speaker 9 (04:13:50):
I can't go back.
So you never had a problem.
Why are you going?

Speaker 1 (04:13:53):
to spit on us.
Sarge has come right.
Give me one second, I'm goingto reload it.
Tough prisoner go back, so younever had a problem.

Speaker 9 (04:13:58):
Give me one second, reload it.
Top prisoner whitehead.
What are you doing, man?
What did I do?
I ain't never had a problem.

Speaker 10 (04:14:01):
I ain't gonna spit on us sergeants, come around.
You know how this Is.
That's all you do.
All I need, bro, you know, Idon't give y'all problems like
that bro.
I do not give you problems likethat, Schwartz bro.
I don't.

Speaker 9 (04:14:16):
All I do is take the strings down, dude.
Put that dude in prison.

Speaker 10 (04:14:18):
I'll take him down next time, bro.
Y'all ain't hear.
No problem with that, bro, Iswear to.
God bro, you know, second shift, bro, you know, I try my whole
life.

Speaker 9 (04:14:29):
I give y'all double traces every day and everything
you need medical.
You want decon out of your ass.

Speaker 1 (04:14:45):
The point of what we do here is to tell me that that
dude qualifies for immunity.
Fuck that fucking road, ragingasshole, banning your muted bud.

Speaker 6 (04:15:04):
you'd lose all the momentum there I work for a very
large tech company.
I'm not very tech savvy, so Ifollow you know.
Here's the deal with that umand this is banning his opinion.
I can give a shit less whatanybody thinks.
Uh, once they get into prison,where they're going to go after
this is aired and a jury oftheir peers puts them away, um,

(04:15:27):
I give them less than 24 monthsthat last in prison where they
either end it themselves orsomebody else does it.
And I don't wish death onanybody, but somebody that's
going to do this to somebodythat's freaking handcuffed and I
don't care what that dude'scharges are that are sitting
there, laying there, nobody intheir right minds.
He's in jail, county jail,prison, wherever they're at

(04:15:48):
right now, and this dude doesthat.
It's on like Donkey Kong man.
I'm sorry, if I'm the sergeantrolling up on scene and I see
this, I'm probably losing mystripes, my badge and everything
else because it's going to comeunglued pretty freaking fast.
Yeah, I don't care, because wetook an oath to protect people.
I can give you less what thedeal is.
It's it's the situation, so wego in there and if you gotta

(04:16:12):
freaking tear somebody up it'sgot a uniform on I don't give a
fine you know what.

Speaker 1 (04:16:17):
Sorry, again, soapbox with this, but people like this
make a lot of people in thisaudience right now think that
all cops are like this andcorrections and everything else,
and it's a very smallpercentage, very small
percentage, and I wish we couldabolish them all, and that's one
another reason why we createdthis anyway, yep, and and my

(04:16:38):
hope is my hope watching that,because I will tell you my
impression there was no surprisewhen that guy did what he did
by anybody else in that fuckingroom, which pisses me off
because, like I've said before,like we talked about and this is
why Tim Owen's comment is soperfectly fucking time is the
moment I seen you act the waythat boiling water dude did when

(04:17:03):
he's like.
I'll fucking shoot you in yourfucking head.
You fucking do that to me, fuck.
Like.
My initial reaction was likebro, I would have been in it so
quick.
Like get the fuck out.
I got this.
And then afterwards I'm likewhy the you know?
That's when I would have jumpedinto shit.
Like why the fuck are youtalking to people like this?
That officer had all the ampletime that he could have needed

(04:17:31):
to intervene on that, versus onthis one.
This dude just punched ahandcuffed prisoner and nobody
reacted.
Nobody was like jesus christ orlike or whoever he was.
That's the culture there.
That isn't.
That's normal to them.
Everybody there.
That was normal becauseotherwise why would you have had
your body cam on like that'sjust, that's just the norm.

(04:17:52):
Like which is fucking insane tome.

Speaker 6 (04:17:55):
That is insane to me everybody in that room that
failed to stop.

Speaker 1 (04:17:59):
That is just as guilty as the person throwing
100, not, and I'm not saying youshould have prevented it, but
the minute he started, like evenstart, like you should have
tried to intervene, or like evenif you're in the shock of it,
like holy shit, like get out,Like do something, Do something.
You did nothing, you did thatto, I don't care, Listen.

(04:18:23):
And people are like well, whatif he's a pedophile or if he's a
murderer, I don't care,murderer, I don't care.
Listen, I don't care.
No person deserves to bepunched while handcuffed, Just
the way.
I feel Like I kind of look atit.
I would think how doctors taketheir what is it?

(04:18:44):
Hippocratic Oath?
Is that what they call it?

Speaker 6 (04:18:46):
Yeah, Hippocratic Oath.

Speaker 1 (04:18:47):
They're going to save everybody, no matter what.
They're going to save everybody, so my job is to get you in
cuffs Once you're there.
Now you're under my protection.
I can't let you get hurt whileyou're in cuffs.

Speaker 6 (04:19:04):
And we're all here for the same thing.
But for somebody to make acomment down here that 95% of
cops are criminals, it's proven,Get out of here.
Just Josephine.
Wherever you're getting thatfrom, please check your sources.
That is not a fact.
I'm going to tell you right now.
It's less than 1% across theUnited States and around the

(04:19:26):
globe that are doing bullshitlike this, and the other
percentage are like Eric and Iand we want to stop their heads
in and put them in prison andwe're trying to get them out of
the profession as fast as we can, but we have limited powers on
that.

Speaker 1 (04:19:39):
Yeah, josephine if I'm going to be honest, you're
wearing out your welcome prettyquick.
We normally don't pay this muchattention to somebody that
keeps spewing bullshit, andyou're spewing bullshit.
So if you're going to do that,I'm going to call you out, just
no different than anybody elsewould call me out when I said
something stupid.
So there's 350 millionapproximate calls for service

(04:20:02):
each year.
Now, if you want to startcalling out numbers, I'm going
to call out numbers 350 millioncalls for service, approximate
each year for police.
Out of that, 0.0006 end upbeing a use of force, ora
complaint.
Even less of that end up beingsustained.

(04:20:26):
So if 80 to 85% are wearingbody cams out of 350 million
calls for service, I'm prettysure there would be overwhelming
evidence that backed up yourclaim.
But the complaints thesustained uses of force or
complaints they don't back thatup.

(04:20:47):
That's bullshit.
So is what it is.
Let's keep going here We've got.
Do we have another video?
Yeah, we do have one more videoleft.
Da-da-da-da-da-da.
Let me share this one Sharescreen and biggie size.

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Oop, I right-clicked, my bad.
Pause.
On January 24, 2025 atapproximately 1040 PM, the APD
ACE unit requested GSP and theAPD Air Unit's assistance in
locating a stolen vehicle in thearea of Peachtree Street and

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Pine Street 5056,.

Speaker 7 (04:21:39):
GSP is going to be in pursuit of that vehicle.
He's by himself.

Speaker 10 (04:21:44):
Okay, move on, he's got a dog.
He's got a dog.

Speaker 1 (04:21:57):
Push forward on stage .

Speaker 9 (04:21:58):
I'm curious if GSP means Georgia State Police they
don't play, just turned off thearea and I think GSP's got it Go
get him, get him, get him, gethim, get him.

Speaker 4 (04:22:15):
Or just say police would already have committed him
.
All right 5056,.

Speaker 7 (04:22:21):
Gsp's going to be in pursuit of that vehicle.

Speaker 5 (04:22:27):
He's by himself.

Speaker 1 (04:22:38):
Hey, be advised, he's boxed out.
Okay, from here we're goingfull.
Um, sorry, I didn't mean toclick that comment.
Uh, I'll get to it in a second.
From here we're going fullfelony stop.
Yep, car stops, felony stop.
What that means is we're goingto get out guns drawn and then
we're going to start loudhailing.
Driver, you know, turn thevehicle.
You know, put the vehicle inpark, put your hands out the
window.
We're gonna.
We're going to get out gunsdrawn and then we're going to
start loud hailing.
Driver, you know, turn thevehicle.
You know, put the vehicle inpark, put your hands out the
window.
We're going to command them outversus going up to the car.
So, with that said, I'm goingto the comments here.

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I, the Knight, said or the videowhere the lady cop was trying
to pull a male counterpart whowas wailing on a guy in the back
of the car that was cuffed andthen he turned on her.
I think many are familiar withthat video.
And then tim owens saidjosephine, he may have told you
everything that was happening innew york at the time, but he
couldn't tell you everythingbecause he doesn't know

(04:23:21):
everything now.
Come on now, let's keep it fair.
I, the Knight said New York hasa metric-ass ton of cops.
If you think your dad kneweverything that was going on,
I'm going to call BS, perhaps inthis specific precinct but not
across the city yet, for thosewondering.
I think NYPD is up to like42,000 or 48,000 cops.

(04:23:45):
That's bigger than a lot ofpeople's cities.
And then Harrison Brock said Ithink it's higher than that 1%,
but less than 10% just from whatI've seen in Kentucky.
So okay, let's keep going here.
He's got a dog.
Does he keep saying he's got adog?
Mm-hmm, is he talking about thebad guy or is he talking about?

Speaker 6 (04:24:09):
I don't know if that's a canine officer.
It looked like a slug-top.
The GSB is A lot of their guyswith the canines out there that
are.
Georgia State Patrol will havea slug-top to have a dog in it.
Maybe that's, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:24:20):
I've never seen this video, but yeah, okay, I was
curious about that.
Okay, that's definitely acanine I'm pushing towards speed
stream.
Excuse me, I got a call for you, bro.
Okay, so the reason it's soimportant to keep telling

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officers that there's a dog onthe ground is because that dog
will bite another cop and itlooks like he's on a lead work.
For those that's a leash, itlooks like he's on a lead right
now, though and for those whodon't know, can canning, banning
was a can I try to say banninga canine at the same time,
banning was a canine officer.
So if anybody knows, it's thismotherfucker.

Speaker 7 (04:25:04):
So I got eyes on the canine.
I'm looking for a buddy here oh, he's running.

Speaker 1 (04:25:14):
Alright, I got him.

Speaker 7 (04:25:15):
I got him.

Speaker 1 (04:25:16):
We're running northbound 37 Standish Avenue
running northbound oh, that'sgoing to be hard to keep track
of.

Speaker 7 (04:25:26):
I got three individuals running northbound
on Standish.
Ave Next cross it's going to beoff of Peachtree, peachtree and
Standish, currently runningthrough a parking lot.

Speaker 5 (04:25:45):
A-firm pushing towards Peachtree.
A-firm pushing towardsPeachtree.

Speaker 1 (04:25:50):
They would have been good if they would have kept
running their own directions.

Speaker 6 (04:25:55):
My question is is why ?
And I and I love air units, Ilove that sport, but I've never
heard an air unit get as workedup as this guy is.
Am I?
Am I wrong and thinking forthat?

Speaker 1 (04:26:06):
yeah, he does sound, you're right, I didn't even pay
attention.
He does sound, you're right, Ididn't even pay attention to
that.
He does sound a little.

Speaker 6 (04:26:11):
So, to put it in perspective, he's in an air unit
.
There's at least two on there.
Usually you have your mainpilot and then you have your
peace officer.
That's in there, that's runningthe infrared and the FLIR,
which is forward-lookinginfrared, that's the camera
we're looking through and he'sthe one that's doing
communications with units on theground and dispatch and he is

(04:26:33):
in his mind and he may be new,so he's probably doing it better
than I would, but he's gettingso amped up trying to get that
information down there.
And what people don't understandis when you're giving amped-up
information to ground troops I'mgoing to call them that because
it's patrol officers on theground that adrenaline that's
coming through the radio is alsogetting the adrenaline up of

(04:26:54):
the officers and they alreadyhave their own from what they're
seeing.
I'm not criticizing, but I justwanted to bring that up.
He's very amped up for beingtwo to 300 feet off the ground,
nowhere in harm's harm site, andI think he needs to work on
some, some triangle breathing orsome, just to help him on the
next call, right so I will saywe are chasing after a stolen

(04:27:15):
vehicle and stolen vehiclesuspects, so it's a property
crime.

Speaker 1 (04:27:20):
So, end of the day, like, yeah, play it safe, do
everything you can, but it's aproperty crime.
So keep that in mind.
I don't know what's going tohappen.
That's why I'm trying to for me, if I'm the sergeant, I am
going to make sure my officersare on the ground.
No, like, hey, it's a propertycrime.
Relax.

Speaker 7 (04:27:39):
Like, let's not get too juiced up push bond on stand
is pushing towards pete street.
Get up to pete street.

Speaker 1 (04:27:48):
That's the job of the supervisor.
Keep your guys off, so you'rethe vehicle here.

Speaker 9 (04:28:03):
Get the fuck out Get on the ground.
Get the guy in the car.

Speaker 1 (04:28:10):
Good for this kid.
He's like I ain't fuckingaround, I ain't running, I ain't
doing shit and good on thisofficer for still checking the
vehicle, because a lot of timeswe see the rabbits run and we
ignore it and that kid'sprobably going to go home
tonight and get to sleep in hiscomfy bed.
Yep, you're right, Because atthe end of the day, I can steal
his car and my boys can pick meup, and that's what I did.

Speaker 6 (04:28:33):
Smartest idea.
I got some retards and they didsome stupid shit and I got
caught in the middle of it.
I'm going to listen toeverything.
You say Yep, and praise to himfor that.

Speaker 1 (04:28:40):
Yep good on him Now, which was probably a dumb move,
but, uh, get the out of yourstomach right now, beautiful I
like.

Speaker 7 (04:28:56):
It okay with the swearing.
Whatever you got to do, takehim into custody shut the up.

Speaker 1 (04:29:04):
All right, I got him.
I got him.
We're running north back.
Relax, listen, that's awrite-up.
Sorry, that's a write-up.
Now's a write up.
If I'm your boss, I'm going tolaugh at you.
I'm going to say you're anidiot.
We're going to have a laughover it.

Speaker 6 (04:29:18):
We're going to be signing.
We're going to be signing adocument later on.

Speaker 1 (04:29:22):
This is going to go in your jacket, dude, like you
can't talk to people like that.
I understand.
Don't trust me.

Speaker 6 (04:29:29):
I understand you got to watch how hard we're slapping
those cuffs on too.

Speaker 1 (04:29:34):
Yeah, well, that's another thing that frustrates me
is I feel like my departmenthas the best cuffing technique.
I've seen a lot of them, and sowhen I see other people's
cuffing techniques, I'm likethat's shit, yeah, so.

Speaker 7 (04:29:49):
Down 37 Spanish Avenue techniques.
I'm like that's shit, AdamDowns.

Speaker 1 (04:30:07):
Listen, it's not professional, but Alright,
alright, Whatever.

Speaker 7 (04:30:17):
Currently runs through a parking lot.

Speaker 1 (04:30:19):
Let's be honest.
He knows he was in his own car.
He played it the smart waythough.

Speaker 7 (04:30:25):
There are many stores these days.

Speaker 2 (04:30:28):
It's the role of P Street Parking.
I got several out, so I canonly stay with one here.

Speaker 7 (04:30:31):
He played it the smart way.

Speaker 1 (04:30:33):
Now you want to know if he's truly innocent.
Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 7 (04:30:37):
Wearing gloves, just giving you a ride Like this is
my first day.

Speaker 4 (04:30:40):
Oh, did he just pull out rubber?

Speaker 7 (04:30:41):
gloves.

Speaker 1 (04:30:43):
He did just pull out rubber gloves, didn't he?

Speaker 7 (04:30:47):
Shut the fuck up.
Wearing gloves just gives me aride Like this.
Is my first day.

Speaker 1 (04:30:53):
Listen, that is an indicator of somebody that's out
committing crimes y'all.

Speaker 6 (04:31:01):
He could be a doctor and he was doing house calls and
got caught up in the middle ofstuff.

Speaker 1 (04:31:04):
Very true, my man had rubber gloves in his pocket.
Now, good for him, I will sayhe did do it smart.
He stayed in the middle ofstuff.
Very true, my man had rubbergloves in his pocket.
Now, good for him, I will sayhe did do it smart.
He stayed in the car and, justlike you said, benny, doesn't
matter what we find on him, thisguy, hey bro, tell us who your
boys were.
You're going to be good to go,because really the only one I
care about is the one that wasbehind the driver's seat.

Speaker 6 (04:31:25):
Yep, I mean he may be put into a report and
detectives are going to look atit later.
Totality of the circumstances.
Maybe some surveillance comesout.
This guy may be the one thatmainly stole a vehicle and that
may come out.
But from the way he acts on,this scene is going to dictate
how he's going to be treated forthe rest of the night.
He may go home for the night.

Speaker 1 (04:31:43):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (04:31:43):
It all depends on the totality.

Speaker 1 (04:31:45):
I just want to put this out there.
We're currently showing 309people on Restream, that's so
many.
I know it doesn't sound like alot to anybody listening, but
the numbers don't translate towhat we're truly having on, so
we're normally sitting around120 to 200.

(04:32:06):
So we're actually gainingpeople, and we've been going for
four and a half hours.
Maybe you don't need to launchthis on YouTube anymore.
Holy shit, I know, and myYouTube channel was taken down
for the week, so that's insane.
So we're going to fuck it.
I'm just going to keep going.
Let's keep going with thisvideo, though.

Speaker 7 (04:32:25):
I have a transmitting .
Right now it might beinoperable.
Got one laying down.
I got one in custody onStandish.

Speaker 8 (04:32:37):
All right, one of these guys he just jumped.
All right, two of them jumpinga wall running back westbound
towards Standish Avenue.

Speaker 1 (04:32:47):
Where's the third guy ?
That's what I want to know.

Speaker 7 (04:32:57):
One's going to be wearing a black hooded
sweatshirt.

Speaker 5 (04:33:07):
Oh, he's going to hide in the dumpster.

Speaker 6 (04:33:14):
I got one of them Jumping in the dumpster here
1720.
Peachtree.

Speaker 1 (04:33:17):
Street Northwest.
That's hilarious.
So If I'm in this situation,I'm not going to the dumpster,
I'm going to set up a perimeterand I'm going to loud hail them
out, like that's me, yep.

Speaker 6 (04:33:40):
And we.
If you have to bring a dog foran extraction on that, you have
to.

Speaker 1 (04:33:44):
Right yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:33:45):
You know, it's tools of the trade and it's a less
lethal option.

Speaker 1 (04:33:49):
Yeah, I'm not going up there.
Okay, now I'm coming up, though.
We're coming in part one now,okay.
Okay, they're backing off, heyout.

Speaker 9 (04:33:58):
Out, get out, get out On the ground.
Hurry the fuck up On the ground.
Get on the ground On the ground.
Hurry the fuck up On the groundOn the ground.
Hey, second one come out.

Speaker 1 (04:34:15):
This is actually pretty funny.

Speaker 9 (04:34:16):
Second one, come out.
Second guy, come on out.
It's over.
Come on out with your hands up,let him know.

Speaker 1 (04:34:26):
Helicopter saw you going there.
That's why we're here.
There you go.
Okay, so he's doing what wecall arcing his taser.
You heard that he's arcing itto let him know.
Like hey, we mean business.

Speaker 8 (04:34:44):
Hey, have him come back to us.
I don't know if it's anybodyelse.
Crawl back to my voice.
Crawl, crawl back.
Don't look at me, crawl back,both of y'all okay, I ain't mad
at that.

Speaker 9 (04:34:58):
I know you can't crawl back.
Keep crawling, hurry up.
Yeah, keep crawling, keepcrawling, keep crawling.

Speaker 5 (04:35:09):
If you guys are gonna hold it.
I can see how fast you're gonnaslide it.
I just had one knee contractman.

Speaker 10 (04:35:14):
I was trying to do a cover ball over there too, man,
I got it, okay, you got it.
You got it, adam, go ahead, Igot it.
I mean, I got it Lethal.

Speaker 5 (04:35:28):
Put your hands on the back.
54, we got two detained OCsprayed.
What's up, man?
Oh, they sprayed it.
That's genius.

Speaker 1 (04:35:43):
Yeah, I didn't even think about that.
I would have just backed up andloud hailed.
But yeah, spraying in there Alittle quick burst, I'm curious
why the troopers are still there.

Speaker 6 (04:35:56):
There's nobody to pit .
No crash report.

Speaker 1 (04:36:02):
Nobody's gotten bit, nobody got hurt.

Speaker 5 (04:36:05):
I like that OC.

Speaker 7 (04:36:09):
It's spicy, isn't it?
It hurt I don't see his bison.

Speaker 1 (04:36:22):
Look at all the guns.
They got Duty.
Oh, they found an officer'soff-duty belt, or his duty belt,
no shit.

Speaker 6 (04:36:30):
I'm going to tell you , man, in over 20 years that
I've done this.
I don't know how many reportsI've received coming through
T-LITS, which is a messagingsystem for those that don't know
that Officer Schmuckatelli, atwhatever agency, left his entire
duty rig and his personalvehicle parked at a mall in a
different city and the windowswere smashed and somebody took

(04:36:52):
his shit and his credentials andID and it's like dadgummit man.
I have never left my duty beltin a private vehicle parked in a
public lot.
I don't know if it's commonsense or what man.
I mean I know cops make mistakes.
They got families and they gotto go.
They're on call and this andthat Get a better freaking

(04:37:14):
system.
Don't leave that shit in thepersonal car.

Speaker 1 (04:37:17):
I have okay.
So I have a weird window or aweird perspective, I should say.
I grew up with a dad who was acop.
My dad retired as a policeofficer and I had a lot of
servicemen and women in myfamily, whether it was
firefighters, military or cops.
So for me, yeah, it was alittle more common sense.

(04:37:40):
But I've got friends that Iactually have a really good
friend from my department who'sa co-sergeant with me we've kind
of promoted all at the sametime all the way up and he
became a cop on a whim.
His roommate became a cop likewanted to go take the civil
service test so he went with himjust to go do it with him and

(04:38:02):
ended up getting a really goodscore on the civil service test
and became a cop before hisbuddy, who did end up becoming a
cop later.
But, um, and so my buddy wentand he had his shit taken out of
his car and the only thing thatI can really attribute that to
is like he just kind of wasclueless, like, yeah, you went
through police Academy training,but that doesn't, you don't

(04:38:25):
really know the real world justbecause you went through academy
training.
Does that make sense?
You know what I mean, yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:38:34):
Academy, you know academy training is going to
give you the bare minimum, andthat bare minimum I don't
believe is enough.
No, but it goes up against deafears.

Speaker 1 (04:38:42):
Yeah, I think academy training should be a year long.

Speaker 6 (04:38:47):
I bring guys to my training facility that has 10,
15 years of experience ofawesome arrests and great things
and I get to expose them tothings that could happen and
nine times out of 10, the thingsthat I'm putting them through
in my training facility they'venever experienced in my training

(04:39:07):
facility they've neverexperienced.
And they go back to thatbaffled six-hour officer that's
still in training, even thoughthey have all that experience
based on the dynamic thingsgoing on around them.
And I think this happened toevery frigging peace officer out
there, just to get moreprepared on what's going on.
But I'm going to sit here, I'mlooking at our big fat faces on
this and, brother, I need to geta better camera, jesus, yeah,

(04:39:30):
your camera's my.
I look like I've got a uh, amotorball razor from 2003 and
I'm trying to project on thescreen, so I apologize.
I mean it's probably better ifyou don't see all my
imperfections.
I might keep it for a while,but uh, you're good, bro, you're
good.

Speaker 1 (04:39:45):
No worries um, but no , I we've got bro.
We've got so many people stilllogged on, so another video on
me, and well, I don't have anymore.

Speaker 6 (04:39:54):
No, man, what about the one I sent you, though, that
somebody wanted me to?
You know, we already watched itwe already did.

Speaker 1 (04:40:01):
Yeah, we just didn't watch that.
That page it was the.
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, wealready did that one.
I never saw it so I wasn't sureif we went through it or not.
Yeah, so, um, let me okay youguys know I don't do this often,
I'm not that guy but let me doone shameless plug, because what
we do costs money.
So let me get it out of the wayreal quick.
Um, I will share this screen.

(04:40:23):
Please go to one of our sponsors, ghost patch, and uh, we have
three things that we offer.
We have a metal badge, whichyou can see my mouse right here.
We have the metal badge.
We have a coin right there andthen we have a little velcro
patch.
So go to ghost patch and pickone of those things and when you

(04:40:46):
do that, you directly helpsupport us, and then you
actually help support Ghostpatch, who is sponsoring us, because
we split the cost on all thisstuff.
So they get a little bit ofmoney, we get a little bit of
money and we put it towards theshow.
So there you go.

Speaker 6 (04:41:01):
When you say we put this towards the show, I mean
there's so much cost that goesinto it and Eric could speak and
itemize it because he's beenbanning it out of his own
freaking account and I'm sureit's been a husband-wife
discussion for months because ofhow amazing you are.
I can only pony up so much aswell from what I'm doing.

(04:41:22):
It's literally the microphoneEric's talking into I don't know
how many hundreds of dollarsthat is, the LED lights that
look like Star Wars behind them.
This is all coming out ofEric's talking into I don't know
how many hundreds of dollarsthat end.
The LED lights that looks likeStar Wars behind them.
This is all coming out ofEric's pocket, the sound
deadening in his studio.
If you guys understood ourbusiness plan of where we're
taking this to bring in heroesto actually talk and do podcasts
, interviews and stuff like that.

(04:41:42):
We're bringing law enforcementto you, regardless if you want
it or not.
You can partake, you can watch,you can, you can add your
comments on there, but we'retrying to bring as much as we
can for you and we're alsobringing these officers, um,
that are, you know, that aregetting inducted in the in the
national law enforcement officerhall of fame in the future and

(04:42:02):
the ones that are going to beinducted in the, in the in the
future and beyond that.
We're going to keep bringingthem in and these are officers
that truly go above and beyond.

Speaker 1 (04:42:11):
I like this comment.
People need to buy stuff, soBannon can get a new camera.
Yeah, you ain't wrong.

Speaker 6 (04:42:18):
Yeah, it is, and I travel a lot, guys, and this is
a little laptop that I have andI apologize for the bad, but at
least you can kind of see what Ilook like.
I'm just a big glob ofnastiness.
But really, guys, what we'redoing here, I mean it's for
y'all.
Yeah, I mean, there's no pointof Eric and I staying up this
late unless we love bringing ourexperience to y'all, and we're

(04:42:40):
all watching this for the firsttime.

Speaker 1 (04:42:41):
Yeah, sigmund Lord said.
I ask you kindly to take inconsideration that I would
support.
Ask you kindly to take inconsideration that I would
support if not for my currentlegal situation.
It's a lot, especially with afamily.

Speaker 6 (04:42:51):
Yeah, we'd love to.

Speaker 1 (04:42:53):
I'd love to know more love to know more about what's
going on.
I obviously saw throughout thecomments that you've got
something going down, so I wouldlove to know a little bit more,
if you care to share.
You don't have to publiclyshare that you can share that
with Eric and Brad.
Yeah, just DM that I don't wantyou to put your own blast.

Speaker 6 (04:43:10):
That's no.
You wouldn't believe thestories that we get to come
across on here and um, sometimeswhen we've been able to help
people with stuff and get infront of the right people, so
yeah, yeah, we're like right nowwe don't have any more videos
to show, but I want to answer.

Speaker 1 (04:43:25):
I want to be able to have real discussions and do
this is the fun part, like forme.
What what's been frustrating toa lot of people is they really
like doing the body cam videoreviews, so they like to watch
the video parts and they want totalk about it.
But overwhelmingly there's beena lot of people they just like

(04:43:46):
the discussion part.
They want to ask theirquestions, say their piece and
get it out there and vent.
Some people just want to vent.
You know, like the Priscillalady earlier I think that's one
of the.
I think she wants to vent andI'm okay with that.
Like I said, we don't just kickpeople, guys.

(04:44:07):
I'm not in the business ofcensorship.
That's not what we want.
So I'm going to let youcontinue to keep saying what you
guys want to say.
I'm not going to block it.
I may not acknowledge it.
Don't get pissed off because Idon't acknowledge it.
Other people see it, otherpeople see it.
Sometimes you know when you wereon that bullshit, because
sometimes I'm on my own bullshitand you call me out, so it is

(04:44:30):
what it is.
So I think we're pretty fairacross the board on that.
Sigma said I just startedposting Hard have to relive the
events each time.
Yeah, that's post-traumaticstress, bro.
That is like we talked aboutthat earlier, like just talking
about the stuff that you have togo through For me, which is

(04:44:52):
really weird for me and Bannon.
We've talked about this on theshow before.
For me.
I never thought I was a victimof post-traumatic stress.
Domestic violence calls for somereason stick inside my brain
calls some, for some reasonstick inside my brain and I
didn't know that until I hadsome domestic violence survivors

(04:45:13):
on my show for interviews andthen it all came out like I
fucking went through it didn'tknow, and it just hit me.
And then that's whenpost-traumatic stress really
kind of opened my eyes, becauseI never thought that I had
post-traumatic stress aboutanything and, if I'm going to be
honest, the post-traumaticstress I have, it isn't even for
myself, it's for the peoplethat got hurt, which I don't

(04:45:36):
understand.
Do you get that, benny?
I don't get it.

Speaker 6 (04:45:42):
Why does that bother me?
No, I mean, it wasn't me, Iwasn't the victim.
And my thing, eric, is going tothose domestic violence calls
and for those of you who don'tknow, that's a very high or bad
call, that law enforcement goesto all over the world, not just
America.
When we have these things thatspruce off in our house between
husband and wife or husband andwhatever, it gets violent for

(04:46:08):
whatever reason.
I've never personally gonethrough it, but I've gone to
dozens and dozens and dozens ofthese bad calls and a lot of
them have ended up in death oraggravated assaults or worse,
with the children that are bornbetween them.
But also another one for me iswrong way drivers with DWIs that

(04:46:30):
hit a vehicle and it's a family, maybe coming from wherever,
and they're escaping somethingthat's bad and they're having to
leave in the middle of thenight and they're met with a DWI
that's driving down the wrongside of the road, head on, where
the speed limit is 75 wrong waydriver, maybe you can go more
than 75, and when you hit thatmetal on metal, and then we're

(04:46:52):
the first responder on scene.
And I'm a human being, nobodycan teach you how to properly
digest what you're about to seein this, this carnage of all
this metal.
And then when you get to a backseat and I'm not even going to
go into the details because Idon't want to give somebody else
in the comments the stuff thatwe go through we make all these
big bucks on and what Banningmade on every two weeks when

(04:47:15):
everything came out of my checkwas less than 500 bucks every
two weeks.
So you know, and I was thetopped out highest paid
uniformed officer in mydepartment and I was making
literally less than a thousanddollars a month once taxes and
and insurance and everythingelse came out of my check.
Um, but I still love it and Idid it and I had other side

(04:47:35):
sources of income, trainingofficers to make it to where my
family could still eat and doeverything.
And it's not a pity show forBanning.
This is a choice that banningdid.
But if you, if I sit there andif I could have a movie player
up here of everything thatBanning saw, of what I saw on
every call, there's not a lot ofpeople out there that can
handle that.
And I'm not saying I'm Ihandled everything.

(04:47:55):
I'm not also not afraid to saythat I have that.
I have gone and spoke to peopleabout it, because if you don't
do that you become crazy.
I married a 911 dispatcher gofigure stereotype right, however
she.
I married a 911 dispatcher Gofigure Stereotype right, however
she has heard people in theirlives on the phone.
She has heard the violence, andonly that mind can sit there and

(04:48:16):
develop that picture.
So we could bounce off of eachother every day when we came
home from shift to get by tothat next day.
And I'm not going to sit hereand go biblical, but I believe
we're called in the positionsthat we do in life and I did it
for 21 years.
I ran for sheriff, lost for alittle bit less than 200 votes

(04:48:38):
and I decided to enter theprivate industry and still serve
law enforcement under a companycalled Mark 43.
And we do what's calledcomputer-aided dispatch, that's
911 calls coming in for thedispatcher and RMS, which is
report management system, goingafter the officers in the field.
And I love what I do.
I get to fly all over thecountry, meet amazing officers,

(04:48:59):
meet amazing brass and commandstaff from everywhere, and
everybody's trying to get abetter system to where we can
articulate to the public what'struly going on in the cities.
But it's really for a differentbreed that are coming out here
to take that oath and, uh, itsucks for the message.
Personal message, uh, that, uh,you know we take this out to go

(04:49:22):
out here.
We're not.
There's nothing that canprepare you.
I did four years in the marines.
I don't have any weird warstories.
I get out um honorabledischarge two weeks before the
towers got hit.
So I lost a lot of friends inthe war after 9-11 yeah you know
again, this is this.
It's for a very small percentageof people to handle with law

(04:49:43):
enforcement, not just law.
It's any first responder outthere and that goes to the er
staff people in the hospitals.
It's it's any first responderout there and that goes to the
ER staff people in the hospitals.
We're very blessed in theUnited States to have these
people willing to eithervolunteer, because there's a lot
of volunteers out there, andthen the full-time paid people
from the doctors, nurses, techs,fire departments, ems.
I mean there's such a systemhere that truly tries to keep

(04:50:05):
everybody safe, and that's allwe're trying to project here is
you may hate america, you may doit, but we truly live in a
really good country.

Speaker 1 (04:50:21):
Yeah, if you see, if if you see how other law
enforcement are across theacross the globe.
But I wanna, I, we've, I'm,we'll close it up here in 10
minutes, because at the10-minute mark we will be at
five hours.

Speaker 6 (04:50:28):
It's our longest show man.

Speaker 1 (04:50:29):
It's our longest show ever.
So I want to say listen, weknow there's problems in law
enforcement Ego.
That's one we're addressing,that we're going to put out a
series for ego and how to fix itwith law enforcement.
People can take it for whatthey want or not, but if you
guys see videos out there wherethere's obviously a problem with

(04:50:53):
the ego at that department,rather than just bitch about it,
I want you to offer them thesolution.
Guess what the solution isgoing to be?
On the two cops, one donutYouTube page free.
They've got no excuse.
Here is a class that is put onand we're not going to tell you
the department, but you can sayit's put on by one of the 12
largest departments in thenation that also share the same

(04:51:15):
class and it's free.
Go to it issue.
So we're going to discuss policetraining.
Um, what else are we going totalk about?
Um, knowing your court cases,your, your?
Um?
I'm blanking the whiskey'shitting me.

(04:51:38):
Uh, we talked about it earlier.
You're not constitutional law.
What the hell is it called?
Knowing your court cases?

Speaker 6 (04:51:46):
there's, this is a staying, I know staying up on
your court cases like knowingthe current court, case law,
case law, case law.

Speaker 1 (04:51:57):
Jesus christ, I couldn't fucking think of it.
Um, knowing your case, like thenumbers keep jumping up, by the
way, this is gonna make itreally hard for me to get off of
this fucking platform.
The when the numbers keep goingup, it's really hard for me to
get off of this fucking platform.
When the numbers keep going up,it's really hard for me to jump
off y'all.
This is why we're going fivehours.
We've never gone four hours aslong as we've ever gone.

Speaker 6 (04:52:18):
My wife would laugh at you if I ever said I went for
five hours Right.

Speaker 1 (04:52:23):
Andy Fletcher is like Jesus Christ case law, say it,
everybody, case law, say it.
So everybody.
Case law, case law, case law,idiot.
Read, sorry guys, all caps.
You're right.
So case law, ego, what else?
What else is another majorproblem in law enforcement that

(04:52:48):
we're seeing that we keepaddressing?
I feel like there's thesethings that we keep talking
about.
So anyway, we're aware we'regoing to keep hammering down on
it.
The reason we do it me banningeverybody on Two Cops, one Donut
, matt Thornton especially.
I think a lot of the peoplethat are on tonight are from
Matt's page.
The reason we keep hammering onthis stuff is because it doesn't

(04:53:09):
make a difference if you as acivilian, says it to another cop
, which is bullshit, but that'sjust reality.
But when I say it as a copwho's in the streets still
currently as a midnightsupervisor in a city of over a
million plus people, that holdscredibility.

(04:53:31):
Banning as a person who was inlaw enforcement for as long he
just got out.
He was a cop when we startedthis.
So when he says it like itholds more weight with other
cops.
So when we say it, if you getmad at what we're saying as a
cop, maybe you're part of theproblem.
So that is why we keep doingwhat we're doing.

(04:53:54):
That is one of the reasonswe're pushing out, because we
are the influence over our owncareer field.
Are people talking shit?
You keep giggling.

Speaker 6 (04:54:06):
I'm reading the comments, man.
Mama G just said banning TMI.
Some things should be keptquiet.
It's a joke and I'm going totell you right now.
My wife would laugh.
She'll watch this tomorrow andshe'll laugh.
Somebody else wrote in here.
That's what she said.
We have the button in ourkitchen.
If I make a comment and I leaveit to my wife, I hit it on the
fridge that If I make a commentand I leave it to my wife ahead

(04:54:27):
onthe fridge that's what she said.
It's humor.
It's just humor to get throughthe bad days out there, and we
love humor.

Speaker 1 (04:54:35):
So, y'all, just for what you need to know, on the
horizon we are going to createthe Donut Network.
What does that mean?
Matt is going to have his ownshow.
So for all my Matt Thorntonpeople out there, I'm trying to
get Matt his own show.
He's old, listen.
These are things that he'swanted to do.
He just didn't know how to doit until he met me.
So I am trying to make thathappen for him because I am such

(04:54:58):
a believer in Matt.
So I told Matt you just tell methe idea, buddy.
Once we get the idea writtenout, I'm going to make it happen
.
So you've got your own show.
So we're going to get Matt hisown show.
We're going to keep doing theTwo Cops, one Donut stuff, me
and Banning.
We've got some ideas for someshows that we want to do.
We've got Trey and Kat going todo street interviews from their

(04:55:20):
necks of the woods, so to speak, california and New York, where
we have ideas for shows forthem.
So we're all going to bepushing out this stuff on the
new Donut Network I guess that'sthe unofficial name.
That's kind of what we'retalking, with Sprinkles, with
Sprinkles, yes, and with that.
Y'all, please, it's free.

(04:55:42):
I'm not asking for your money.
If you can buy one of thosepatches and coins and stuff to
give you something to hold andlook and say this is my precious
or whatever, that's awesome.
But if you don't have money,all I ask is that you go and you
like, subscribe, follow on allof the stuff that we're doing.
It's free, it takes zero moneyand maybe 30 seconds of your day

(04:56:04):
.
That in itself helps us keepdoing what we're doing.
So, please, brock, eric, you arenot much younger than Matt.
Listen, I am 42 here in Jesus.
Man, come on.
Yes, how do you like thatBanning?
I just turned 46, back onJanuary 20th, you, old bitch.

(04:56:27):
February 12th.
So in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, in aweek, I am 42.
Oh shit, we're going to do alive.
Oh yeah, no, it's on aWednesday.
No, we're not doing a live.
I forgot.
We went five hours and now it'spast midnight.
So, no, we're not doing a liveon my birthday.

(04:56:49):
Maybe I'll take the day off andwe'll do a live, just for shit,
dude, the numbers are stillgoing up.
We're at 316 now.
You fuckers you're making it sohard to get off and the numbers
keep going up.
What am I supposed to do?
Oh shit, andy F.
Oh shit, because you're andy.

(04:57:10):
Fletcher said your babies, andy, how old are you?
That's a lit oh shit slav.
What does that mean, sigma?
Are you from ukraine?
Is that what I'm reading?
That's crazy.
We have you'd be the firstukrainian that we've had on the
show.
We've had some australians.

(04:57:31):
We've had greenland and iceland.
That was also very you knowwhat.

Speaker 6 (04:57:35):
Let's let's eric, let's end this on it, and I
can't even send it to you onyoutube.
Yeah, I want you to look upchick-fil-a, where the guy
doesn't say my pleasure, it's ashort reel Because we were
talking about Chick-fil-Aearlier.
Guys and we've got to havecomedy in life, right, and the

(04:57:57):
guys that produce this.
Obviously it's all fake anddone up for comedy.
I love Chick-fil-A, I love thatplace.
They're amazing.
But he's got to play that reelbecause this thing I think Jamie
sends it to me about twice aweek.
If I'm having a bad day, she'llsend me that reel.
Man, it makes me smile.

Speaker 1 (04:58:15):
I got it yes that's it.

Speaker 6 (04:58:17):
That's it.
Make it biggie size.
Let's watch this thing.

Speaker 1 (04:58:20):
I don't know that I can make it biggie size.
I think that's the best I cando.
Okay, everybody listen.
Okay, but everybody listen, wegot the two chicken nuggets, and
then the number one, that'sgoing to be $22.50 at the first
window.

Speaker 6 (04:58:30):
Okay, thank you?

Speaker 7 (04:58:31):
Yeah, no problem, my pleasure.

Speaker 9 (04:58:36):
My pleasure.
I said my pleasure, right?
Fuck, dude, you got to let mein Fuck dude.
I said my pleasure, you cananswer him.
I said it, I said it, I said it, I said it, I said it, I said
it.
I said it, just wait.

Speaker 4 (04:58:51):
There's two chicken nuggets and a number one.
That's going to be $20.55 ifyou just pull around to the
front window.

Speaker 1 (04:58:56):
They popped him.

Speaker 4 (04:58:57):
What happened to the other guy, so there was no other
guy.
But if you just pull up, yourfood will be ready, okay.

Speaker 1 (04:59:05):
There was no other guy.
Oh shit, why is?

Speaker 6 (04:59:09):
this funny and I'm not talking about the pop in the
car but why is this funny?
Because they have such a goodtraining regimen in every single
Chick-fil-A around the UnitedStates.
Every other fast food is tryingto catch up to the niceness,
everything that they're doing.
I don't know if you guys arehaving a bad day on a Saturday

(04:59:29):
and you pull into Chick-fil-Aand you go, you're just met with
this.
It doesn't matter what kind ofday you're having, man, and they
just kill you with kindness andI love it.
And that's what I try to do asa law enforcement officer when
I'm out there and that's why Ibring this up is you may be
having a bad day, but you'rebeing paid out there for those
taxpayers.
When you're out there wearingthat uniform and you try to kill

(04:59:49):
people with kindness, itdoesn't matter how your day is
going.
And I know that's theseChick-fil-A, because I'm going
to tell you right now I will gocrazy if I think that there's no
Chick-fil-A person across theUnited States that doesn't have
family problems at home orwhatever, so a loved one getting
locked up for whatever and thenwhen they come, they bring that
100% out there and no matterhow bad of a day they're having.

(05:00:10):
That's my pleasure.
What do you need?
How can I help you?
And I wish more businessesgovernment, privately owned,
publicly traded would take thisleadership that they're doing
and put it out there becauseChick-fil-A's got it.
You can sit there and say, oh,chick-fil-a's unhealth, I there
because chick-fil-a's got it, Idon't.
You can sit there and say, oh,chick-fil-a's unhealthy, I don't

(05:00:30):
give a flying shit, it's thelord's chicken.
I love it, you know and it's.
But their, their model is great, man, yeah.
And for other groups like thisto go out there and do spinoffs,
that means the chick-fil-a isbusting ass out there.
Man right, they do these littlefunny things.
Chick-fil-a's badass.
Yeah, you know, I get, I getpissed off.
I'll go to another fast foodrestaurant because I got to
catch a flight really quick.
My wife says I want this andthis and this.

(05:00:51):
I'm not going to say it.
You get to the window to order,over the speaker.
They're like welcome to, you'regoing to die in 12 hours with
our grease, whatever.
How can I take your order?
It's just like really, I'm on adiet tonight.
I just want a quadruplecheeseburger, uh, et cetera, and
that's all I want.
And they don't.

(05:01:12):
They're not counting yourkindness Right.
They don't want to be there.
Maybe the pay, maybe it'swhatever things going on in life
, but Chick-fil-A dude, that'smagic sauce man.
If we can take that and put itinto law enforcement FD dispatch
.
They've into law enforcement FDdispatch.
They've got the secret sauceman.
They've got all the tools theywant.

Speaker 1 (05:01:31):
I think we've accomplished it tonight.
Banning.

Speaker 6 (05:01:34):
How do?

Speaker 1 (05:01:34):
you do Josephine, who has been an outlier tonight.

Speaker 6 (05:01:37):
Yeah, at the end of the day, and I appreciate her
owning that just like as wewould.

Speaker 1 (05:01:42):
At the end of the day , the comments I made are not
directed at you.
Fair, listen, that's fair.
At the end of the day, y'all,we just want fair and objective
to come to the table, becausethat's what we're bringing to
you.
I think a lot of you see itonce you get to know us.
I don't expect you to see thatright away.

(05:02:03):
It does take time.
You can't just trust whatpeople say right at the
beginning.
But yeah, yeah, it's awesome.
That is exactly what Josephinejust said.
That is our goal every singletime is to get somebody to be
kind of against us, but then, atthe end of it, be like all

(05:02:23):
right, you guys aren't that bad,fair enough.
So, with that said, we are pastthe five-hour mark.
Jesus Christ, we are going tobe providing this on our podcast
channel soon.
So if you didn't get a chanceto watch it and you just want to
listen to everything that we'vetalked about tonight, head to
Two Cops, one Donut on AppleSpotify and it's going to be

(05:02:47):
actually the number two cops andthe number one donut.
For whatever reason, theywouldn't let me do it all
spelled out Like I got ineverything else and I got some.

Speaker 6 (05:02:56):
I got some comments, Eric and I don't even think I
shared this with Eric and thisis from law enforcement across
the United States.
They're like hey Manning, lovethe lives.
Like I said, there's a lot offull-time, even guys.
I went to high school with theguy in the law enforcement.
They watch us every week, evenif I'm not on here because of
what eric's doing, and I don'tget to share that enough with

(05:03:16):
eric.
But then then some of them saywhen are you going to bring back
the traditional podcast?
Or when you bring somebody inthe studio that's coming?
It's our schedules, everythingthat's going on.
It costs money, money to dothings.
We're going to do that.
You guys are seeing a smallsmidgen of what's behind Eric.
Eric has built a beautifulstudio in there.
We're going to start bringingin full on podcast where he has
to edit it and he's going to cutsome stuff out there.

(05:03:38):
But we have to generate thingsto to make that happen and
there's a lot of us working inthe background to make that
happen.
And we're going to bring somevery dynamic, amazing podcasts
to y'all that you can watch.
It may not be as exciting asthese two sons of bitches
sitting in front of you bringingup videos, but it's going to be
really good stuff, right, yep,and it ain't just going to be

(05:03:59):
cops.

Speaker 1 (05:03:59):
It ain't just going to be criminal justice.
You know people that love thecriminal justice system.
It's going to be those that areagainst the criminal justice
system.
We're going to be bringing bothsides.
The whole point is to geteverybody's perspective out
there and bridge that gap.
Everybody, thank you for tuningin Very much appreciated David
Edmondson.
See you there, brother.
Thank you for tuning in.

(05:04:20):
Everybody from Matt Thornton'schannel, thank you.
I understand he wasn't on heretonight.
I hope we did him a little bitof justice.
I understand he wasn't on heretonight.
I hope we did him a little bitof justice.
Just know that him and his wifeneeded some private time
tonight and he couldn't make it.
But he will be on.
He is a part of Two Cops, oneDonut Banning.
Thank you for being here,brother.
Everybody else, please like,share, subscribe, follow.

(05:04:42):
Do all the things the kids sayto the Two Cops One Don, youtube
channel, instagram channel,facebook, whatever your
preference be.
But, guys, thank you.
This was a great conversationand I had a lot of fun, so take
it easy.
Everybody, appreciate it.
Guys, have a great night.

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