Behind the Badge LIVE: A Deep Dive of Police Body Camera Reviews

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I am your host, along with theother co-host, banning Sweatland
.
How's everybody doing today,banning?
How's it going, brother?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
It's going great.
Got a little bit of a differentbackground on.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
I'm in the uh, I'll just say the south part of texas
I'm trying to get uh eric tansyon here, but he's doing his
stupid play dumb and doesn'tknow how to get connected to it
and all that shit.
So, uh, I am now trying to doall this work for him while I
sit here and try to do this livepodcast, cause he's had all the

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time in the world, eric.
Uh, let's see Tansy.
There we go, and I am sendingit to him from two cops one
donut, your dumb is my title,and there, all, right, now that

(01:51):
that's done.
Um, so, uh, hey, everybody, uh,if you are not familiar with
what this is, um, basically,we'll go to the chats and
everybody gets to partake inwhat we talk about.
Looks like right from theget-go.
Steve Wallace is in.
He said roll it, I like it.
We got Dave Edmonston fromCanada I know, I remember that

(02:13):
name, I'm pretty sure he's fromCanada and then keep going
through Kyle S.
He said ooh, they are late.
What a shame.
Who is late?
We was right on time, son 17.
You may better want to get yourclock check, sir.
Uh, greg elias and what's up,brother?
And uh, perry lemley's on ozarkmoon.
She made it today.
Uh, she, oh, wait, is thatozark was a girl.

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Right, I want to make sure Iget these right.
I try to remember everybody'sname best I can.
I got a shit memory, but, um,so if you're not familiar with
what we do here, okay, first andforemost, we usually pick a
topic and we discuss that at thebeginning, maybe go over some
of the stuff from podcast reelsand whatnot that people have
been discussing and getting bentout of shape about or whatever,

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and then we jump into body camvideos.
Um, we do that while we sipadult beverages.
Now, me personally, I've been,I've been kind of on this kick
lately uh, banning, what do youget?
I don't know if you've had thisbefore, and this is.
This is when I'm not partakingin adult beverages, but I'm I'm

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big into the liquid death.
Uh, especially this oneparticular can, the black can.
Um, it's, it's the carbonatedwater.
It's like a topo chico, but Ilike it better I'll have to give
that a shot, man.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
I knew it was.
I knew liquid death had water.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
I just never tried it yeah, and they got flavored
waters and stuff like that.
The lime one's pretty good,especially if a guy like you
likes to mix little Tito's inthere.
That stuff's good as well.
And then I always forget thatmy logo gets in my way when I
put it up there.
Get out of here.
There it goes.

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But so the liquid deaths inthemselves, it's just I like,
because it's a gigantic can.
It's like 20 ounces in a canand you know, typically when you
buy a water you're getting a 12ouncer or whatever.
So I just I like carbonatedwater is what I'm trying to get
at.
So far, liquid desk winning therace on that for me.

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So I've been drinking the shitout of that and they're not a
sponsor by any means, I justjust really like it.
I'm kind of hooked on it.
Um, but tonight I'm switchingover.
We're gonna go back to smokewagon.
My classic uh, this one is theblender select rye, straight rye
whiskey going with rye today,baby.
And uh, let's get some pour on.

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Uh, your drink will be thereshortly.
Why don't you tell them banBanning where you're at?
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (04:47):
I'm down here in Austin for work.
Yeah, I had a great day today,outstanding day, matter of fact,
it's been a really good weekTonight just chilling, and then
tomorrow I've got some moremeetings and get to drive back
to North Texas.
Tomorrow We'll be glad to behome.
Okay nice, I'm waiting on thebellhop to be here, a little

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motivated young man just goingto drop me off at an adult
beverage, and then we can roll.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Nice Hudson Oaks.
Where's Hudson Oaks?

Speaker 2 (05:19):
It's going to be right down there between
Weatherford and just east ofWeatherford on 20th.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
That must be a small, small town.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
I haven't heard of that one yet it is man, it's it,
but they're, uh, they're, it'sreally close to aledo.
Ah, okay, yeah, so it's rightdown in that area gotcha um.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
David said texas, not canada.
My bad maybe.
I just saw the name edmonstonand thought of Edmonton and just
thought automatically linked itto my bad.
It's how my brain associatesthings, I guess.
Right Looks like.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Greg's going to be having some beers.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Hell yeah, greg.
Greg been working his ass offon our on our chat and our
Facebook private page, soappreciate all the work you've
been doing, greg.
I'm actually getting some metalbadges from Ghost Patch, who is
a kind of quasi-sponsor of ours, right, and when those metal

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badges come in, I'm going to getmy two Facebook admins, nat and
Greg.
I'm going to get them a badge.
What's up, tansy?
Hey, is this the right mic?
It is not the right mic.
I can hear all the ambientnoise and shit.
It's funny because Tansy's hada podcast longer than any of us

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and he's retarded.
Okay, how about now?

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Sounds wonderful, sir .

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Sounds good, it does.
What shirt are you?

Speaker 3 (06:47):
wearing there brother .
Oh, this was one of theoriginal photo stop shirts from
like four years ago, back whenlebron james was talking shit.
It says lebron james neverheard of her I like it.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Um, I went to uh, we got sweet tickets for the
Brotherhood for the Fallendonated to us so I got to go to
a Rangers game and they hadthese badass 1980s like
throwback hats going.
I'm a fitted hat guy, like I'mkind of bougie on my hats.
They had these 80s hats so Igot this one and another one

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that's got kind of like neoncolors.
My wife hates it but I like it.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
I'm going to get the door over here, no, you're good,
and um tansy, uh banning isstaying in a hotel today, so he
uh.
Oh, dude, I was just about tosay does this motherfucker?
Live in a hotel?
Oh, I'm not.
Am I supposed to cuss?
Am I like you swear, fuck yeahbro, I was like yo did this dude
decorate his house like a hotelroom.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
I was thinking that the whole time I was like he's
on the outs with his wife, andthat's what he's doing, right,
he's got thrown out.
Well, I'm glad we outed him.
Uh, not really.
No, he's on business in austin,oh I was like, wow, that's the
I will never tell you if I'mhaving problems with my wife, um
.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Have you ever been as a cop?
Have you ever been into houseswhere you know that they
decorated the entire housethrough dollar general, like
where they have like the goldplates, like even like the
paintings of jesus, like you cantell they got them from the
dollar general oh yeah,absolutely yeah, you go through
there it's like a total hood ortrailer park thing.
I always say that the hood andthe trailer park are the exact

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same place.
Like they just kind of do somethings opposite.
Like, like the hood will likelift their cars and put big
wheels, the trailer parks willlift their trucks and put big
wheels.
You know what I'm saying.
Like the cars in the hood areworth more than the how, than
the, the section eight housingthe trucks in the trailer park
are worth more than the trailersabsolutely this rednecks play

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loud, stupid country music, likeobscenely loud, that like yeah,
annoys everyone, and then likethe hood does that, but with rap
like it's all the same.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
If they, if they ever realized how much more they are
alike than different, and theygot together, the coalition
between the hood and the trailerpark would be unstoppable they
could unite into one supergovernment.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Feeding like right incubus yeah, actually they
would.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
They would dominate this country for sure.
Um, I'm going to the chat.
Uh, justin royal out of newyork, I remember him.
He's saying what is yourfavorite drink?
My favorite drink, um, when itcomes to alcohol, is anything
that smoke wagon makes ishonestly my favorite.
I've been on a jefferson'socean kick lately.
Um, if you've had jefferson'socean, that's a really good.

(09:29):
Uh, bourbon, let's just put itthat way bourbon if bourbon, or
a rye.
I like those two.
I know banning is a, a vodkaman you know you're in austin
texas, oh you got a paper straw.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
I got a fucking paper straw man and this t-dose is so
strong it's going to eatthrough it in a minute.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
You got to save your turtles, bro.
There's a lot of turtles inTexas Not sea turtles, but
there's turtles in general.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Being in Texas with you this week was pretty awesome
, I know brother.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah, oh, let's bring that up.
So Eric Tansey and I and nowBanning we are officially a part
of a new network that EricTansey has created, and this
network is called the Failure toStop Network and the Failure to
Stop Network.
Let me give you a littlebackground of what we have there
.
It is military and firstresponders, all run, uh run

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related, and it has several uhoutlets.
If you will, podcasts, uh forentertainment news.
If you go to Eric Tansey's uhfailure to stop podcast, if you
want to get into a show, thatkind of gets a little more
controversial and starts to outso-called heroes, the
anti-podcast or the anti-heropodcast is another one that we

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have.
And, to give you an example,one of my favorite examples is
the guy that claims he shot binLaden.
Right, yeah, yeah, they outthat guy and show all this
evidence.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
You know that one one .
It was a great episode, butbeing that I was on the same
podcast network as rob o'neill,um, and we gave the podcast
network a heads up that we weredoing it or that anti-hero was
doing it, and like we wanted tomake it more of like an nwo wcw
type fake feud right on bothsides, rather than like because

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they were gonna out the story,because the story is what it is.
And then the ball startedrolling and it looked like it
was going to happen.
And then all of a sudden, hebacked out, rob O'Neill backed
out, and then it just got weird.
And so they ran with the storyand it went like wildly viral,
like 50,000 views on YouTube and, I don't know, probably 60,000

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listens on podcasts.
And so then Rob O'Neill getshammer drunk, leaves them a
bunch of messages, goes out andgets a DUI.
It's super sad.
And then they kind of droppedit after that.
But then he starts running hismouth again and starts talking
like well, why can't veteransjust be the bigger man?
And like call each other, helpeach other out?

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And so they had to re, they hadto put out a new post, like a
new reel.
That was like yo, you blockedus and so they start going
through all these, these otherseals and all these other things
that Rob O'Neill and anyway,it's a lot of fun.
There's a lot of drama that goeson.
They actually outed YakoWillinick and Yako actually did
a, a podcast, kind of likealmost apologizing um for for

(12:30):
that and some of the things thatcame out of that.
But it's too dealt.
It's a Delta force operator andanother combat veteran slash
cop and they basically areholding other special operations
veterans.
Feet to the fire.
Um, because you're supposed tobe a quiet professional and
these guys are out running theirmouth and nobody will talk
about it because everybody's aquiet professional.
So two guys decided fuck it,we're gonna out these dudes and

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tell the real story, sincethey're trying to make tons of
money off their story andthey're not giving anything back
to um, the community or theteam that helped get them there
to even be able to tell thatstory.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Right, you know what I mean.
So, yeah, so, anyway, antiheroPodcast, two Cops One Donut Mine
is more educational, humanizing, based with a little mixture of
humor, and we do these livethings along with Failure to
Stop.
Podcast also does these liveevents.
And then we have the Donut Shoppodcast, which just is

(13:28):
basically law enforcementencompassing Yep.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah, and then we got some other ones.
We've got, um, new York'sfinest, um, those guys are going
to bring those guys on the net.
There are two New York cops, um, and they're brilliant.
God, they're so funny but it'smore like nypd stuff, stuff
around the nation, but they'regreat, excellent, really
entertaining.
So you know, you know they talkreally annoying.

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You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
these fucking guys, you know these fucking guys will
be um, yeah, so uh, with mine.
You guys know anybody that'sbeen on here.
If you're new, hey, thank you,welcome and look for more stuff
to come, uh, from the failure tostop network in itself.
So if I'm not your cup of teaand you don't like all the
educational parts and then mylong-windedness that I have when

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we get on here and do this andgreg, uh, elias and yelling at
me, just get to the videosalready and like I will, but we
chat first, yeah, and we havelike a big network meetup
October 18th in Orlando thatwe're all going to probably be
there.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Hopefully Eric Levine's going to be there.
We got Kyle Rittenhouse, eddieGallagher ourselves.
We got some stand-up comedians.
It's 18th and 19th in Orlando.
You can go to Failure Stop orAntihero or Two Cops, one Don
donut.
I'll put flyers out on allthose um Instagrams and
Facebooks and you guys can goahead and book your hotel rooms.

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We're all staying in one.
I forgot what it's called, um,but it's in North Orlando and
anyway it's going to be a lot offun.
So standup comedy show attactical brewing company that
Friday night and then live musicpodcast and everything that
saturday kind of a podcast ofpalooza.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
so absolutely, and what will be cool is it will be
covered live and you guys willbe able to hopefully at least
watch and see, just kind of likewhat we do right here.
Uh, it'll be at a more grandscale.
Uh, banning you weren't a partof the party yet.
The invitation is obviouslyopen to you as well, brother.
Um what?

Speaker 2 (15:25):
was that date again october 18th.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, um, ozark moon.
I actually opened for vinniemontez last november.
Um, it was so much fun and I'mactually emceeing that event
this year in november again.
I don't know if vinnie's gonnabe there again this year, but
the event that he and I openedfor last year, they actually
invited me to come back and bethe MC for this year and I'll

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also probably do some stand-upcomedy while I'm there.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
I will not be doing stand-up comedy.
I'm more of a crowd work guy.
That's so much fun.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Crowd work's my favorite for sure.
If I get, I get like when I,when I, when I I didn't.
I was like the second guy forvinny montez, like vinny went
right after me and so I ended upgetting 35 minutes before vinny
and that was my.
That was like my first.
I've done tons of comedy showsbut they've always been between

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8 and 15 minutes, so to have 35minutes, I was actually super
pumped and I did crowd work forlike eight or nine minutes for
my first time ever.
Yeah, and I had a freakingblast.
Dude, I was actually laughinglike myself more doing the crowd
work than I was at my own jokes.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
So I gotcha Sorry.
Space frog has been one of ournewer commenters and he's been
killing it in the comments.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
What's he saying?
What is he saying?
I can't see comments.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
He said I've been having wet dreams about Vaughn
since the last live.
We had Vaughn Kleem on from4Science.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Oh yeah, that was a great one, by the way.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Good episode Dude.
He's just an amazing person andso knowledgeable and I didn't
realize how big a deal he was inthe police community.
And I was dude.
I was getting texts from allsorts of how the fuck did you
get Von Kleem?
They're talking about how, like, he is not easy to get a hold
of.
I was like, hey, man, when youtell somebody you want to drink

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and talk police shit.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Where's the place to go a hold.
I was like hey man, when, whenyou tell somebody you want to
drink and talk police shit likedid you tell your fans where you
were this weekend.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
I haven't.
We haven't even gotten that faryet, sir.
Why?

Speaker 3 (17:31):
wouldn't you tell like yeah, you got von clean on.
But like you were at glennbeck's private vault, holy I was
uh.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
So, which was epic.
That was kind of where I wasgoing to.
I got off topic here.
You know how it is Squirrel.
And so Tansy reached out to meand he's like hey, I'm flying to
your hood, let's meet up.
Well, of course, let's do it.
So first night he gets there wego see a rodeo.
Give him a little Texasexperience.
I got the meat sweats.

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He got the meat sweats becausehe ate a little too much at
Cooper's down in the stockyards.
And then we discovered exactlywhat we were getting into with
the human trafficking event thatwas going on, not like going
and trafficking people, but itwas a what do you call those?
Like a conference humantrafficking.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
It was a human trafficking roundtable to write
legislation and a bill forcertain human trafficking that
we got to be a part of.
And then after the meeting theywere like do you guys want to
go see Mr Glenn's private vault,which doesn't maybe sound that
cool, and you all, the oxygen isremoved from the room in 60

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seconds so everything in it dies.
But anyway, inside of thisvault is FDR's wheelchair,
hitler's wine glasses, they'vegot Abraham Lincoln's wife's
Bible and, morning gown in there, letters from the Salem witch
trials trials.
The original draft of theconstitution written by
jefferson and edited by franklinand adams is in there.

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What else did we see in there?

Speaker 1 (19:11):
bunch of guns uh weapons nazi memorabilia um
stuff from the mayflower um theuh queen.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Not the queen, but like the governor's wife at
jamestown's Necklace in theredude.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Oh man Dad, Auschwitz , yeah, Stuff from the
concentration camps I mean a lotof oh yeah, schindler's List.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
A page from Schindler's List is in there.
Oh, that's freaking awesome, bro.
Bro, he had these and thenthere's some fun stuff in there
too, like um orson wells's micthat he did world of worlds.
Uh v for vendetta mask from themovie.
Uh, sean connery's tuxedo from007.
I mean, oh yeah, like theoriginal electric chair, the

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original electric chair that uh,that, uh, what's his name?
Nikola tesla?
And uh, what the they shockedto do for like 20 minutes in
this.
I know two minutes and 20seconds in this thing.
Yeah, it was.
We were in there for how long?
Like four hours.
It felt like four hours.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
It might not have been that long, but um, sorry
space, frog said something Iwasn't paying attention.
He said uh, he said I have beenhaving wet dreams about that's
the.
I guess I didn't get to dig, um, I missed it, uh, anyway, that
was really cool.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, we.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, we had a great time.
We got to meet Sarah Gonzalez.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yep.
Sarah Gonzalez from Blaze TV.
Blaze TV All the producers.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
We met Jaco Buians.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Who's awesome?

Speaker 1 (20:35):
man, yeah, he's a great, great dude.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, I podcasted with him about a year ago, so
this was the second time I gotto be with him.
And then I went to a dinnerwith Yako Booians for another
human trafficking thing.
So that was all kind of likeset up through badges and boxes,
which is one day you'll have todo an episode with that guy.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, just know it's a nonprofit and I highly support
it, but I don't want to giveaway too much about it.
Just look up.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Just look it up.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
I want the episode to be fun.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
That is a fun episode .
He's a fun guy, probably one ofthe more interesting characters
I've ever met.
He's probably one of thosepeople I'll tell stories of 40
years from now A reallyunassuming human being, but has
done crazy things for thisplanet and nobody will ever know
his name.
You know what I mean.
It's like it's great no clout,no social media, and just what

(21:35):
he does for mankind is and nowleading the charge for human
trafficking yeah it's.
I mean what a crazy life he has.
But anyway, all right, I'msorry.
Anyway, yeah, you're a big deal.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
What's been going on in your world, Banning?

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Man, a lot of work.
I'm looking at the calendar.
I want to come down to thatwith y'all, but, man, I'm going
to be at IACP in Boston in.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Boston.
I had to choose one or theother.
I made my choice.
I've been at the last two IACPs.
I have not done this experienceyet.
The IACP will be available forme next year or the year after.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
I hope you feel like shit now Banning.
I do man I hope you feel likeshit.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
It's kind of where I work.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
It's our Super Bowl man, I so I gotta go up there
and put on my a game, and it'shell yeah, but banning's gonna
be able to spread the word abouttwo cops, one donut and the
failure to stop network babythere you go, yeah, and then he
can redecorate his house not tolook like a hotel room so I want
to get to some of the questions.
I'm sorry, keith.
He said, uh, new camerasinstalled in cars.
Two officers don't realize thatthe camera is recording 24-7

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and records them talking smackabout the department.
Someone sees the video, reportsit.
Officer's been on admin leavewith pay for three months.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Well, that happened to me.
That happened to me.
They did a body camera audit,went back I don't even know how
many days they did the auditCaught me in my in-car camera
that was accidentally on becauseit was synced up, funky to my
thing.
I was having a conversationwith my wife and no swearing, no
cussing.
Long story short, I said thisis why I hate people.

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And then that was what I.
They left it.
They brought me into internalaffairs after the audit and they
said give us your gun and yourbadge.
Um, you're going to be senthome and uh, we'll, we'll let
you know further and it's due toa body camera audit.
And I'm freaking out, man.
For for so long I was just likewhat did I say?

(23:36):
What could I possibly have said?
I'm usually really careful.
And then they brought me backin and, um, they played the tape
and all I said was god, I hatepeople.
And I was like that's it,that's that's what word, man
they?
sent me to anger management.
They, they took my, they put meon desk duty for seven months

(23:57):
for that never having acomplaint, being the happiest
human being on god's green earth.
Um, and they made me go toanger man, just, you know, just
just to make sure, just to okay,you know just right, as you
were clearly just venting toyour spouse, who you're supposed
to it was.
I just cleared a domestic andthe woman uh the woman was

(24:19):
wouldn't tell me anything, eventhough there was like another
lady who got thrown out of aglass window and there was blood
everywhere.
I was like, did they go to thehospital?
I don't know, do your job,right, okay, well, did, uh, you
know like who was hurt?
I don't know, do your job, whatyou know.
It was like one of those kindof things I was just telling my
wife.
I was like dude, I went to thedomestic.
It looked terrible.
There was blood everywhere andthe fucking 911 caller wouldn't

(24:40):
give me any information, eventhough she had all the answers.
She just wouldn't do it.
I was like this is why I hatepeople.
This is why I hate people, andthat's all I said.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, so, keith, to answer your question from my
perspective um, obviouslythere's policy differences
everywhere.
It's not against the law to dowhat they did.
It's not against the law forthem to say what they said.
Um, so we don't have a criminalmatter here now.
It just comes down to what typeof leadership do you?

Speaker 2 (25:04):
have.
You know, obviously, policylike you had already covered.
So those, those marked patrolunits that we see all over this
glorious country, are owned bythe public.
The inside of the car, theoutside of the car, is owned by
the public.
It's considered a public space.
So, if you think about it inthat right, so no, you don't

(25:26):
have an x.
In my opinion, you don't havean expectation of privacy.
You know, obviously, if you'retalking with your wife, should
you have expectation of privacy?
Yes and no, um, but just knowthat if something catches it,
it's always you know what'scrazy.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Have you ever sat on federal wire?
Oh, like listen to a federalyeah no, like you ever listen to
jail, like jail calls, likeyou're waiting for a jail call
and when they start talking sexshit with their wife, is it part
of your policy to like notlisten to that?

Speaker 2 (25:51):
they're supposed to from from what I'm being told on
two different fed levels, thatthey're supposed to cut it off
within the 15 seconds of thatconversation and then they can
go back in every minute to seeif they're still on that.
Yeah, exactly, so they get.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
They get a little bit of privacy when they're talking
to their wives.
But you as a cop, you know whatI mean.
Like that should be like in theaudit, like where it's like oh,
they're talking about personalstuff.
We'll just not listen and checkin every minute.
You know that's the way itshould be yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
So my argument would be it doesn't matter how much
time you got on.
If the department wants to doan audit on body cam, video cams
, whatever it is, um, you shouldknow when your video cameras
are recording.
There's no way to hide that Umthere, especially with standard
like Axon and uh watch guard andall you know.

(26:43):
When they're recording, there'sno like secret recording mode,
and if they're Texas, I'm.
When they're recording, there'sno like secret recording mode.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
And if they're texas, I'm assuming they're texas law
enforcement.
And, keith, I just sent you a,a linkedin.
Um, I kind of looked on therewhere you're at, so I'm assuming
they're texas law enforcement.
That's a guess, but, um,contact their reps.
Man, call tmpa, call clee, geta legal definition of it.
I'm sure they already have ifthey've been on admin.
Leave that long.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
It's a long that's.
That's that's three months offree pay baby.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yeah, it is, and I mean so.
I got like my best friend rightnow.
Um, he's on admin leave becausehe made a social media post
that said Juneteenth is a madeup holiday, but it's always been
my birthday, you're welcome forthe day off.
He had his gun and his badgetaken away.
He's been at home ever since.
He has no idea what the outcomeof that is, and he has like 26
followers on instagram.
So, um, yeah, I mean you knowit's the days of being able to

(27:34):
talk shit about your employees,or I mean your employers and all
those things that that's beengone for a while.
You should know better.
But it's also impossible, right, like you know what I mean.
You can't.
It's hard to not haveconversations with significant
others and vent to your brothersand think about, like, how high
stress this job is.
You know, like you're dealingwith domestics, where you're

(27:56):
just literally getting shit onand pissed on, and you're
dealing with traffic stops thatabsolutely suck, and you're
dealing with the words.
You're going to court, you'regetting shitty hours of sleeping
, and now you also can't vent toanyone about these problems.
Oh, and then, if you want to gotalk to the therapist, that's
off limits too, because nowwe're seeing cops all across the
country being punished for whatthey say to the therapist.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
So now we don't even get that and and part of the
issue that I see with this isventing and saying something
doesn't necessarily mean it isexactly what you believe.
Just because I say I hatepeople, that doesn't mean that I
just exclusively hate peoplenow.
It just means at the moment I'mfed up, like Tansy was saying,

(28:42):
with this particular call.
People are wearing me outtonight with the stuff they're
complaining about or whatever.
It is the way the job goes.
But that doesn't mean that Iact.
I can still love people at thesame time.
It's not mutually exclusive.
Just because you say thatdoesn't mean it's mutually
exclusive.
So, uh, that's kind of aannoying that that would happen.
Um, key said.

(29:02):
I guess my point is we talkshit about each other, but they
just happen to be on camera.
Yeah, oh yeah, definitely talk,but you know what?

Speaker 3 (29:08):
like these admin nerds, like what I've learned,
and this is why I have such adis, like I have such a disdain
for internal affairs orinspections units, um, because I
feel like they're the biggestpieces of shit in the department
that are literally only goingafter the officers that that do
work.
Right, they're not.
They're not going to thatofficer that's hiding behind the
church and literally not doinganything, and they're they're

(29:31):
not, um, they're not auditingthe officers that are, you know,
like.
For example, I had a youngofficer that I was his training
officer and he was a blackgentleman and we went to a call
and there was a basketball gameon and he and it was in the
middle of a domestic violencesituation and he just starts
he's like and we're, hold upinward, hold up, let, we've
tried to watch the game, hold upinward, hey.

(29:52):
And like this is my, my rookiesaying this and I'm like what?
And he starts watching thebasketball game and he's like
who you rooting for inward?
And the other guy was like yo,I'm going for blah, blah.
And he was like n-word, please.

(30:13):
I mean, he must have said then-word 18 fucking times every
sentence.
And you know, I make acomplaint.
Nothing, nothing he he got in.
No, I said that culturally he'sallowed to do that because he
was um reaching.
He was reaching them on theirlevel.
But we can't say get out of thecar, motherfucker, to try to
reach somebody on their level.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
You know what I mean right yep he had sent me
something and I cannot find it.
They wanted me to talk about itand I'm sorry I should have
screened.
I don't know I should havescreenshotted it.
I I don't remember whatplatform it was.
That's a problem with havingevery platform yeah, so I
actually you know theinspections unit.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
I didn't.
You know I was officer of theyear.
I really didn't get in a lot oftrouble and I never put in for
a promotion so I wasn't a threat.
I wasn't a threat to anybody, um, so nobody really ever messed
with me.
But the inspections unit.
I pulled over a car and I gotout of my car and I approached
the car and the lady was like,why'd you pull me over?
And I said, oh, oh, I'm sorry.
Uh, you're good to go Um wrongvehicle, you know, see you later

(31:10):
, or whatever.
Well, inspections unit, I guess,like in some kind of an audit,
or maybe this woman complainedor something like that, but they
ran this big thing and theywent and asked me why I pulled
this girl over.
And I said, well, I didn't justpull it over for no reason.
And they were like, well, youdidn't do anything, you didn't
write out a racial profilingform, you didn't do this, you
didn't do that.
And I said, oh, oh, it'sprobably from a bolo.

(31:34):
And so they actually went andchecked my emails that I checked
for that day to see if Ichecked a bolo.
And sure enough, it was a, agold honda accord, and the car I
pulled over was a guy.
Because, you know, they hit youwith these things like three,
four months later, right, youknow, and that's exactly what
happened.
I saw a gold honda accord, Ithink it now.
Once they brought it up to me,I kind of remembered I was like,

(31:55):
oh yeah, that was the goldaccord.
It whipped into a cookout and Iwas like, oh, bazinga, got you
backed into the parking space.
And I was like, oh, doublegotcha, got out, realized really
quickly.
Uh, no, this isn't the bolo.
And I just said you know, peaceout.
But you know that's what theseinspection guys like.
They just want you to be in thewrong.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
So bad you know, I mean yeah, I was recently on um
the ia podcast and you know wetalked uh all about I was a
tough one to be on and mytougher podcast that I ever went
on yeah, and I was trying totell him.
Here's part of my problem withia and it's not that I don't
think is is not a good thing.
I do, I think it's got itsmerit.

(32:36):
But, um, when you are in ia andyou've been and this is any
specialized unit if you're inproperty crimes and you've been,
and this is any specializedunit If you're in property
crimes and you're in there forlonger than a couple years, a
year or two, out of patrol,everything starts to look like a
property crime to you.
If it's not a property crime,you're not interested.
And then you're starting tofocus in on just the things that

(32:58):
affect your unit stats, whichis property crimes.
So now all of a sudden, someguy steals a Coke, walks out of
the store and you're like I gotto get them because that's a
property crime stat.
Like man, I got them.
And you're not looking at thebigger picture on stuff and you
tend to lose the humanity inwhat you're doing.
The bigger picture.
And I think in IA, when you'regetting kudos from the top and

(33:20):
you've got kind of poorleadership and they're
constantly saying, yes, yes, youdid a good job, you got that
cop, you got him, you got him.
Now you got this fishingexpedition and you've got this
bias towards police that youstart digging into something
that isn't there and you turn itinto whatever narrative you
want it to be when you startgoing after cops and that's

(33:42):
where I start to have a problem.
Like you should have a limitedtime, you're allowed to be an IA
because I think that is part ofthe problem you start to see
everything through that thatlens of IA and you're you're
praised and groomed to find shitthat may not necessarily be
there or to see the biggerpicture.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
And I think if you're an accredited agency and you
know your hiring process issuper strict and your Academy is
really strict and it weedspeople out, you know like you
should give benefit of the doubtto some of these officers, like
you don't have to find aproblem if it doesn't exist.
You like, for example um, wedidn't get a lot of complaints

(34:23):
on uh, we, we had a projectwhere we we did like wolf
packing right, where we wouldsend six or seven cars down one
hooded area and we would alljump out at the same time and
just kind of like stand thereand what we found was like all
the drug dealers and the gangmembers would be like yo, what
the fuck?
Like six cops just rolled up,like I won't bounce, something's

(34:44):
going on, even though weweren't.
There was nothing going on.
It was called wolfpacking.
We would just wolfpack an areareally fast, not talk to anybody
, not do anything, but get outlike something was about to go
down.
And then all the hookers anddealers would just yeah, you
just stop business for the day.
Yeah, so it was no again.
You know, hire up theseinspection units, catch wind of

(35:05):
this, they start looking into itand they just shut it down.
You know, there's no because ofperception, but we've been
doing it for like over a yearand, you know, not had any
complaints, not had any footchases, not had anything, but it
just it didn't look good,didn't?
Yeah, it doesn't look good.
So we're going to create aproblem that doesn't exist, even
though you've been doing it fora year and nothing has happened
.
We'll start what, if you knowwhat?
If somebody takes off running,yeah, well then we chase them

(35:28):
and they don't have anything.
Oh well, I mean, what hasn'thappened?
And we're all kind of smart, sowe figure it out pretty quickly
.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
You know, I don't know yeah, that's like taking
the bearcat from swat andrunning it through a
neighborhood that's a highdrugging neighborhood and you,
just, you just hear all thetoilets flushing.
You don't stop, you don't doanything.
They just know that thatvehicle is probably going to hit
a house and they're not goingto risk it being them.
You just hear toilets flushingall the other road.
So, but it was a brilliant idea.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
You know like I don't remember whose idea it was, but
it always worked.
Man, we would like meet up at achurch.
We get like six cars deep.
They'd say we're gonna stop atthis intersection, everybody's
gonna get out.
You're gonna go to the onecorner of the street, you're
gonna go to the other corner ofthe street.
You know, we would plan it outso it looked like we were
actually doing something.
We would pull in there andeverybody would park and it was
great.
Man and people, right, I'm out.

(36:17):
You know like, not me.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Um, all right, so I am going to play an Instagram
reel from our page that got somechit-chat going today and see
what people's thought is, andthen we'll get into our body cam
video.
So I'm just looking at people'scomments.
They said that would be a smartidea with the Bearcat.

(36:40):
It works, man.
It's just you got to fade thatgas bill right there, man,
you're driving the bear cataround.
It's a.
It was an unintentional thing.
That occurs with the bear cat,because typically the SWAT
team's going through but thenthey happen to notice that they
hear toilets flushing everywhereand they're like what the

(37:01):
hell's going on?
Well, oh, now we see what we'recausing anyway.
Um, let me share this tab here.
Uh, if you are listening,because we end up putting this
on our podcast channel as well,so you'll end up just listening
to this.
But if you ever want to followalong and see what we're doing
when we're talking about thesevideos, just jump on our youtube
live all those videos, the fullvideos on, and you'll be able

(37:24):
to see exactly what we'retalking about, and we are going
to share this screen here.
Boom, there we go.
Let's see what looks better.
I don't like that.
Let's hide the chat.
Chat Hide.
There we go, all right.

(37:44):
So I'll prep this first videohere.
Basically, you just see twoofficers arresting a fully adult
, grown man here, or so youthink you're the cop.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
Do you stop and try?
All right, I'm legally blind.
Stop, bro, okay.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Do you stop and try?
All right, I'm legally blind.
Stop my fucking glasses, myfucking glasses.
So here we got a grown manbeing arrested and he's throwing
a fit like a fuckingfour-year-old, dragging his feet
, trying to quasi-passivelyresist.
He's not fully wilding out oranything like that, but he's a

(38:45):
big boy.
And two, what I would considerfull-grown cops they were big
dudes and they were havingtrouble carrying this guy, but
he's trying to cause an issueand he struggles to the point
where he loses his glasses offof his face and then wants to
throw a fit that his glassesfell off and that the then wants
to throw a fit that his glassesfell off and that the cops need

(39:06):
to stop to go get his glassesbecause he's legally blind.
I am sorry and I'll get thisconversation kicked off right
now.
No One, you resisted.
Two you are potentially causingme injury, because that is an
awkward way to move a handcuffedsuspect that's large out of
anywhere.
That's not my job.

(39:27):
I mean, it is my job.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Can you go like oh, you know, like a car wreck when
you hurt your neck?
Can we be like oh, oh, oh andthen charge him with like
assault on the?

Speaker 1 (39:36):
house.
Right, you cause the injury.
And so I pose the question tothe public out there like, okay,
what do you expect from yourcops?
Should they stop, grab hisglasses and then continue, or
continue to a secure locationand then go back and see if his
glasses are okay?
Me personally, I ain't grabbingyour glasses and it isn't an F

(39:57):
you to him.
That's not what I'm going for.
But I am going to get yousecure so I don't have to
possibly injure myself.
Injure you have to use forcebecause you're resisting um,
although kind of passively, buthe is resisting um and he
definitely getting a charge forresisting.
I am putting that on there.
So what do you say, banny?

Speaker 2 (40:19):
I feel the same way.
I mean, obviously he's puttingon a show.
Uh, we don't know the wholedetails, what he was arrested
for.
You may have put that in the.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
The comments Do you know, I don't even know what he
was arrested for.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, I mean it's it's.
It's one of those things andobviously all of us have
probably dealt with with stufflike that.
When you're, when you're takingsomebody into custody and you
got to deal with him first andget them out there and then come
back, and obviously you,obviously you're doing this.
You're not going man.
I'm going to go arrest this guytoday and I hope his glasses
fall off.
I'm not going to go by God.
Go pick him up, man.

(40:49):
You've got to take care of thesituation.
It's safety first.
You've got a lot of people inthere, even people who are
filming.
Let's take care of him, makesure he's in there, leave your
partner with him, go back If youfind his glasses, man frigging.
Articulate the narrative ofwhat's going on and go on to the
next.
I mean, we do the best we canand I'm sure this guy got a lot,
or these cops got a lot of heatonline for that.
I didn't get to read any ofthose comments.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Oh yeah, I have a feeling that this is going to be
one of those where he gets nosympathy and there's not going
to be any.
You know, real human on hisside with that.
But I did see some commentswhere some people were just like
well, you got to understandthat sometimes when a person
gets, uh, gets handcuffs put onthem and they get trapped, and

(41:31):
that you know the fight orflight starts to take over and
they don't really realize whatthey're saying and doing and I'm
like don't work.
Well, yeah, you're, you're,you're barking up the wrong tree
with me on that one I've got Ilet's just say this I agreed to
disagree and that's how I put it.
I'm like I'm not going toconvince you otherwise, I
already know that.
So I agree to disagree.

(41:51):
Uh, space frog said I was justuh, tell him that I would stop
and pick his glasses up, but hehas to walk like a man from
there on out yeah, that's.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
I mean, that is actually a really good tactic is
to like make a deal, be like Iwill hey, stop.
I will pick up your glasses andI will hold them, but you're
gonna walk like a grown man.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
If not, I'm leaving your glasses there yeah, uh,
will cray said I'm as blind as abat and I don't believe this
goober getting arrested thathe's blind.
You'd have to have some megathick glasses and you'd have,
kate, if you were legally blindregardless, it doesn't matter, I
don't need you to see to walkright, you just need to stop

(42:32):
trying to flop on the ground.
So, yeah, so that's where we'reat.
That's one of the the videosthat we got people talking today
.
So I remind our viewers please,hey, help us fight the us,
fight the Instagram shadow banthat they've put on us.
We have been at 126,000 peoplefor over a year because they

(42:55):
will not let us grow.
So I don't know, it just getsmass people to follow.
Help us out there.
But in our social media ingeneral, go to any two cops one
donut hit, follow, subscribe,help us out.
It's free, it takes a coupleseconds and it helps continue
the mission.
But anyway, let's go to ourfirst real body cam video and do

(43:17):
what we came here to do.
So let me give everybody thebreakdown of how we do this.
We watch body cam video thatwe've never seen.
If one of us has happened tosee the video, we'll bow out and
let the other officers talkfirst.
We all have law enforcementexperience, but across the board
here we've probably got near ahundred years of experience with
police work.

(43:38):
So, with that said, we don'tMonday morning quarterback
necessarily.
What we do is we pretend we'rethe officer in the body cam
video and we will pause it often.
Okay, from here, this is what Iwould do, this is how I see
things and we let you know, kindof giving you a breakdown of
how we do this as copseducational perspective and to

(44:00):
see how training differs acrossall police cultures, and what I
mean by that is across thenation, how one cop in Texas is
kind of different from anothercop in North Carolina, where
Tansy's from versus Banning, whowas a deputy for Sheriff's
Department, and me being a citycop.
Like even that culture differson how we would handle things,

(44:22):
but we end up somehow getting tothe same goal, which I unless
you're a state trooper, then ityeah, which is weird.
You could kill somebody andtheir first goal is a ticket.
So you get a ticket first, andthen you have to deal with the
homicides.
It's crazy, I didn't know youstart the breakdown.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
It's like he's like all right, what did you see
there?
And he's like well, I'm seeingthat the officer was going too
fast.
I'd write him a citation first.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
He was chasing after his homicide suspect.
You got to do it right though.
So if you're going to be astate trooper, you got to get
your hat on, and that's a prettygood state trooper impression
right there.
I feel like I look like a statetrooper right now, like this is

(45:07):
how they do their podcast.
I am a robot trooper, pleasepull over, give me your ID.
You look like a supervisor.
Get my headphones back in placehere.
So we're going to go to thefirst video after my moronic
trooper impression.
Um, here we go.

(45:27):
Biggie size this.
Let's share the screen, shallwe somehow, some way?
This is the part that sucksabout having troopers.
Are experts, though, at domesticviolence but not like
investigating it, just likecommitting it.
Committing it right, troopers,I just Committing it right,
troopers.
I just lost like 400 peoplebecause I'm tweeting troopers.

(45:49):
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Speaker 3 (46:13):
They put a lot of great stuff Is this?

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Marion County, Florida.
Yeah, it says it right thereacross the front.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
It says Marion County .

Speaker 1 (46:20):
It doesn't say Florida, yeah, august 24th,
around 2 am, Deputy Lathamattempted to stop a vehicle at
East Fort.
King Street for a submission ofDUI.
That's driving under theinfluence Is that OJ's Bronco.

Speaker 5 (46:35):
Yeah, he's going after a Bronco.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
OK, automatically.
This car is not pulling overlike I would expect, so I'm now
I'm on the the offensive, ordefensive, whatever you want to
put it that I'm gonna needbackup now.
This guy's already failing tostop, so I'm gonna get that out
over the radio.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Well, marion county is in Ocala, florida.
I'm from Florida and Ocala isin the middle of the state and
it is like the equestrian centerof all of Florida.
It's actually where JohnTravolta lives, but anyway it is
the most backwoods redneck Like.
I'm pretty sure that allsurviving characters of the KKK

(47:22):
are all probably still in Ocala.
Do you remember the movieJeepers, creepers?
Yeah, that was all Ocala Really.
Yes, yeah.
Interesting, I would not bechasing anybody in the woods in
Ocala.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
I didn't know Florida had any isolated areas like
that.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
It is redneck central , we call it Slowcala.
There's nothing to do there.
Slow, slow cala is a super,super creepy place.
I only know that because I'vedone a lot of swamp train.
There's a special forcestraining center.
Uh, that does like some swampstuff and some, uh some stuff
out there, and I trained outthere near a town called stark,

(47:59):
florida, which is right, they'reall butt up next to each other,
but anyway real creepy place.
I wouldn't, I wouldn't bechasing anybody down any long
dirt roads back there.
It's like hills have eyes typeshit you know what I'm saying,
right?

Speaker 1 (48:09):
So now me, I'm going to be starting to think like, if
I have to exit my vehicleanytime quickly, uh, I'm.
Hopefully I got a rifle or ashotgun with me, cause I'm going
in this type of location themore isolated, the heavier
firepower I want.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Yeah, this is a scary place.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
I would probably back off a little more just because
I'm on a dirt road.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
If he bails and runs straight into the woods, I'm not
going after him.
I'll just let him go Hold hisvehicle as a crime scene.

Speaker 6 (49:08):
Show me your hands.

Speaker 5 (49:11):
Show me your hands.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Yeah, he went straight to Taser.
That is not what I'm doing.
I'm coming out with my gundeployed.
This guy was not stopping.
That's not normal behavior.
A reasonable and prudent persondoes not do what this vehicle
is doing.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Dude, he's at home base, so you kind of have to
leave.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Yeah, across the bottom it says Deputy Latham
commanded Bennett to show hishands and drop his phone.
But Bennett continued to resistand stated he was calling a
lawyer.
So you can resist withoutphysically resisting and that is
not listening to commands.
Call up, put your hands on yourhead.

Speaker 6 (49:50):
Hey, he said no, put your hands on your head.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Listen to me.
Right now Can hear back.
You're going to get tased,you're going to get tased, put
the phone down, drop it.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
Now, get on the ground, get on the ground, get
on the ground.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
So he tased them and he's yelling I have heart
problems.
I have heart problems.
Well, you should have thoughtabout that before you did what
you did, and this is why I wouldhave tased too.
I'm alone.
I need a distance weapon, and Ican't afford to have him call
somebody out of that house orany of the adjacent houses

(50:31):
because you don't know who he'scalling to the scene.
I am not in friendly territorywhere this guy is at.
He drove home, that's what I'massuming, so I can't let you
call somebody you don't have aright to call your lawyer.
You haven't even cleared thevehicle.
Somebody you don't have a rightto call your lawyer.
Yeah, you don't.
You haven't even cleared thevehicle who's in that truck?
Yeah, yeah, you're absolutelyright.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
We haven't cleared the vehicle yet either I was
just about to say I'm a hundredpercent fine with him tasing in
this situation and like, listen,I mean I've said this on my
show a few times um, I'm amilitary combat veteran.
I spent four years out of myalmost eight years in the army
in special operations.

(51:09):
I've been to a lot of superelite military schools,
including seer level C, so Iknow like, oh, like, I've been
in the woods, I've been inswamps, um, all of these things.
As a cop, going down a longdirt road to a call is one of
the most terrifying things Ihave ever done.
I would rather deploy back toAfghanistan or whatever, jump

(51:31):
out of airplanes, do whatever,than drive down.
And I challenge you, like youknow, just drive down, just
drive down the road until yousee a dirt road and then just
drive down it.
For no reason, turn around andcome back.
I guarantee your palms will besweaty, your heart rate will get
way up.
That's just drive down it forno reason.
Turn around and come back.
I guarantee your palms will besweaty, your heart rate will get
way up.
That's just going down thereand you don't even have a 911
call to go to yep, yeah and uh.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Colton james said in the in the comments he said that
was a clean taser, goddamn.
And um, yeah, he had greatspread.
Um, anytime you see a taserfail, it's typically because the
spread wasn't good.
You, you want it to split.
The hemisphere is one way I'vealways put it, and the
hemisphere is your hips.
So you want one to be below thewaistband and one to be above,

(52:13):
and the farther apart they are,the better connection you get
and get that neuromuscularincapacitation, like you saw
with him In this case, once hegoes down to the ground.
Now we're going to step back andobserve and give verbal
commands hey, get on yourstomach, get on your stomach, do
this, do that.
And as long as you follow that,we're not going to tase you

(52:33):
again.
We're going to get you into acuffing position and then we're
going to hold what we got.
That's what I would do.
I would hold what I got once hegets into a cuffing position
and we heard sirens in thebackground.
So we're going to wait for ourbackup to get there.
We never want to cuff byourselves.
If we can help it Now.
If he's a deputy, that's in anarea that is going to take 45
minutes for backup to get to him.
He may have to earn hispaycheck a little bit more, so

(52:57):
On the ground, on your stomachNow.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
On your stomach.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
Why am I being?
I'm going to tase you again ifyou don't get on your stomach.
You ready?
Get on your stomach, are youready?
Call the police.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
He's yelling call the police.
It says on the bottom.
Bennett was arrested, medicallycleared by medics without
incident and transported to jail.
He refused to participate inFSEs, which I'm going to say is
field sobriety something ExamsExercises, and would not provide
a breast sample which is anautomatic year loss of license

(53:37):
in Texas.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
Paul, I didn't do anything.
That's part of.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
God Put your hand behind your back.
Look at that.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
Yeah, he got the top of the shoulder, I didn't do
anything he's not resisting now,so that's good.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
The taser was effective and did its purpose.
Yeah, fine with it.
Yeah, I'm good with it.
Let's go to the comments.
See what everybody had to sayabout that.
Uh, anything, anybody wouldhave done different.
Um, I thought me.
I thought that was I wouldn'thave gone down that dirt road
yeah.
I thought that was handledpretty good.

(54:08):
This one's going to be from.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
I dealt with a lot more dirt roads than I did paved
roads, so that was a verytypical traffic stop for my last
two years in and three years inand it was for Banning.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Banning used to have to arrest full brummel bulls and
stuff.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
well, I mean yeah, but like I mean, I don't know
that much about texas, but Iwill say in ocala, florida, that
is swamp everywhere.
Oh there's, I mean everythingthere wants to kill you.
You've got hurricanes,tornadoes, all the snakes, all
coral moccasins, rattlesnakes.
You have Casey Anthony.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Coming out this month .

Speaker 3 (54:47):
The fucking place just wants to kill you.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
It's like our version of Australia.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
It is.
It's like Australia, butcondensed and probably more
dangerous.
You know what I mean, all right.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
This one says the video may be inappropriate for
some users, so this is out ofCode Blue Cam.
Code Blue Cam.
All right, we're chasing amotorcycle when I am at you.

(55:16):
Don't chase motorcycles, period.
It ain't worth it for you, itain't worth it for the citizens
and it's not worth it for themotorcyclist.
Um I I wish to god we had abetter way to combat
motorcyclists, because they area plague, now that we had a
group when I was at anotheragency down in the metro.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Uh, that just kept doing it, causing havoc not just
for law enforcement but for thepublic too.
So there was a certainintersection where we could park
our cars and know that they'dbe coming, and they covered that
red light and halftime we'dalready have a warrant written,
but we would nicely take themoff the bike before the light
turned green.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Yes, so motorcyclists listen.
If you come out with aninvention that helps us police
go after motorcyclists, I wouldbe all for it, because I am sick
and tired of motorcyclists.
The Internet and this is justmy own theory has caused this
mass education for othermotorcyclists to realize like

(56:21):
all you have to do is run andthey're nobody's going to chase,
except for georgia.
Don't go to georgia or arkansas, because they will chase you
till the wheels fall off.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Um, but you know, we, uh, we pulled over this young
man about eight o'clock in themorning my partner did and uh,
he was wearing sparris.
He was wearing like spary.
You know that, you know, youknow I'm talking about those
like spary loafers.
You know, yeah yeah, like littleboat shoes, like boat khaki
shorts, kind of like a poloshirt, kind of look like a nerd

(56:50):
right and um, my buddy lit himup and the guy pulled over and
he was like don't thank you forpulling over.
And the guy was like why, like,why?
Why are you thanking me forpulling over?
He's like, most of the time,motorcyclists don't don't uh
stop and we're not allowed tochase them.
And I, when he said it, Iremember being like don't

(57:10):
fucking tell him that right now.
He'll never stop about I don'tknow, four or five hours later
on our shift.
Uh, a state trooper lit him upand he took off and he made it
about I don't know two or 300yards missed.
The curve went up over thesidewalk.
When I got there, his legs wereon one side of the fence, his

(57:31):
chest and torso were on theother side of the fence and his
head was about 50 yards in frontof all that.
Damn.
Same kid, same outfit.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Yep, yep, and I, I, it's not worth it.
Y'all it ain't worth it.
And but damn, if I, if I see acrotch rocket, like I call these
sports bikes, crotch rockets, Iwould say three out of four of
them don't even have licenseplates anymore.
They don't even bother.
You're not gonna get them,you're not gonna chase them,

(57:59):
you're not gonna do shit.
So they just don't even put alicense plate on yep so let's
keep going.

Speaker 5 (58:06):
I would call this off , I wouldn't even oh, 10, 50, 10
, 50, send ambulance right awaythat kind of jumped yeah, we
missed the best part um I'm.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
I almost think he discontinued the pursuit 10-50,
10-50.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
His lights and sirens are going.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Man, that's a cool looking car.
On may 31st 2021, an onalaskapolice officer observed a
southbound motorcycle.
Oh, they have changed it up alittle bit.
They played a teaser code.
Blue cam does things a littledifferent.
They played a teaser.
That's what that was, okaywhere's onalaska?
Onalaska alaska, or onalaskaAlaska, onalaska, I don't know.
Go speeding.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Wisconsin or Texas, nope Onalaska Texas.

Speaker 5 (59:18):
Get him, get him, get him, get him.
Somebody yell.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
He stated, the 33-year year old rider went
against traffic in thenorthbound lane briefly to enter
a parking lot before exiting toanother street right there okay

(59:42):
.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
So I I'm okay with this right now, with what the
cop's doing, because you don'tknow that he's fleeing.
This guy still may pull overbecause he's he's got a good
excuse to like well, I wasn'tsure if you're coming after me
and and he could play that card.
Yeah, because he wasn't closeyet.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
So okay, Do I think what?

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Do you think this?

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
is Texas or Wisconsin .
I have no fucking clue, I haveno idea right now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
I haven't even Let me see what place we can go.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
The officer pulled up to the motorcycle, rolled down
a window and asked him to pullover.
The rider slowed at a curve andappeared ready to pull over,
but accelerated at a high rateof speed after rounding the
curve.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
That's a Culver's right there.
That's a power.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Officer briefly accelerated but decided not to
initiate a chase afterestimating the motorcycle had
reached a speed of 100 miles perhour.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Yeah, I agree, I would have done the same thing.
Okay, now I know he's taken offfrom me.
I'm done, I'm out All right, asyou were.
So Code Blue Cam Pravis I'msorry.
Pravis, from our YouTubechannel said Code Blue Cam is
mostly Wisconsin, gina Mariealso said it's Wisconsin and

(01:01:19):
then Colton said Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Yeah, I think it's wisconsin fair to me what's
gonna be?

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
wisconsin.
Maybe it's wisconsin, I don'tknow um.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
I don't see any cheese yeah, where's the curds?

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
follow the trail of curds and, uh, like I don't know
, banning you, tell me vehicle,uh motorcycle takes off with you
right here.
What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Dude, I'm shutting it down.
It's not worth it.
I mean, your body camera's gotit.
If there was a plate, we canobviously file later.
If it's not, I mean, if hewants to kill himself, let him
go, but I'm not going to be apart of that.
I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
And just see what happens.
And what I'll typically do isI'll still travel the same
direction you went.
Sure, I'm not running code, I'mnot doing anything like that.
I'm not running lights andsirens.
That's what I mean when I saycode.
But I'll go in the samedirection just to make sure you
didn't wipe out, make sure youdidn't hit someone else.
And you know, after three orfour minutes of traveling, what
I consider think is the samedirection.

(01:02:20):
Then it's done, I'm just goingto let it go.
So let's keep going.
Miles per hour.
And that, right there, savedthat officer's ass.
That saved his ass, the factthat he discontinued and said it

(01:02:43):
over the radio.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Right there it's a 25-mile-an-hour street,
obviously a residential area.
Man, I mean, you got kids there.
It is not freaking worth it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Yep, definitely so.
That saved his assadministratively, saved his ass
legally.
So, officers, if you're outthere listening, watching, don't
try to pull that bullshit whereyou're like well, I'm going to
wait till Sarge tells me to callit off.
No, no, if you know it'sdangerous, it's on you.
Don't wait till your sergeantcalls it off, because he's

(01:03:11):
behind the curve and I'm asergeant and I'm telling you I'm
behind the curve.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
We got to trust you to take.
Turn that shit down.
As the officer wascommunicating with dispatch, he
observed the motorcycle strikinga vehicle which was stopped in
the roadway waiting to make aleft turn.

Speaker 5 (01:03:28):
Turn to 5 location South and down keep.
Oh yeah, he's done.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
He's not moving Love to see it, he is done, that is
he's not.
That's his fault is done.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
That is he's not.
They're picking up body partsalways.
Nice man, are you?
Okay?
Real five?
I got tri-state right behind me.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
He is not moving the rider was ejected from the
motorcycle and pronounceddeceased at the same hey, hey,
okay, hey okay and it sucks cuzyou're kind of stuck as a cop.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
We're not necessarily medical experts.
By any means we don't want tomove you, especially after that
being ejected and being on amotorcycle makes it worse.
So it's like what the hell dowe do because, again, we're not
medical experts.
All right, let's go to thecomments while we move on to the

(01:04:48):
next video.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Um, let me uh let me smally size this here.
I mean I know that, like thenumber of those that I've
responded to, I'm usually kindof speechless because I usually
get hyper fixated on like limbs.
Yeah, like we had one dude runand clipped a light pole and it
I mean tore the whole leg rightoff, you know what I mean?
Um, like right from the hip,and I just I couldn't stop

(01:05:12):
looking at it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
I was like yo, like that's his whole leg right there
, you know I've had some trainincidents where people tried to
crawl underneath trains thatthey thought were either moving
really slow or were probablystationary, but decided to start
going and somehow got their legrun over and what people don't
know with a train.
When a train runs your leg over, it cauterizes the wound.

(01:05:36):
There's so much pressure andheat that develops from that.
It's weird, it's very weird.
I have not seen a train accident.
I've seen two, about three.
I've seen three now in mycareer.
Yeah, uh, it's crazy, but bothplaces, where I'm a cop in texas
and then when I was up inmichigan, it was by saginaw that

(01:05:56):
there's a huge train depotthere for the dow chemical plant
and all that stuff.
So there's a lot of trainincidents that happened up there
.
But I, what I want to pose tothe people out there listening
and watching, like, what is yourstance on going after
motorcycles?
Do you want your police chasingthem?
There's a lot of cops that willdo it.

(01:06:17):
If you give them, if you givethem open reins, they will go.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
I chased a motorcycle on the highway like four
counties over.
It was awesome.
I was going about 100 fast I'veever been so I don't know I was
as fast as that explorer wouldlet me go and um, but we were on
straight highway three o'clockin the morning.
You know, I was just trying tokeep his taillight in my view

(01:06:42):
it's north carolina, wasn't alot of things over there and he
wrecked, getting off the on-rampand he was fine.
He was actually a-okay, um, Idon't even think he broke any
bones.
But you know, that was one ofthose circumstances where you
know there wasn't anybody on theroads clear skies, it's dry,
not really any chance of megetting hurt.
You know what I mean, but Iwould not inside of a city.

(01:07:02):
There wasn't anybody on theroads, clear skies, it's dry,
not really any chance of megetting hurt, you know what I
mean, but I would not inside ofa city, inside of a town,
anywhere with red lights,probably not, not.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Wouldn't do it.
David Edmondson said I believethis is a repeat video from one
of your earlier shows frommonths ago.
If it is, it tells you howshitty my memory is.
I don't remember this one ago.
If it is, it tells you howshitty my memory is.
I don't remember this one.
I watched so many videos tryingto do this damn podcast and
then just in police work ingeneral for training purposes,
like I.
If I've seen this one, it's newbut I am I'm generally annoyed.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
I see one of your comments about chasing
four-wheelers like, um, now thatI'm not a cop and I haven't
been a cop, I was in town withmy wife and kids and everything
just about two weeks ago and oneof those dirt bike four-wheeler
crowds went blowing throughdoing their wheelies where it's
like 40 to 60 of them yeah youknow it's so obnoxious and

(01:07:53):
unsafe and you know, when yougot your kids around, you know,
I'm just thinking in my brainlike how, why isn't there any
cops following this?
why isn't there any cops doinganything about this?
And I was like, oh, becausethey're not.
They're not allowed.
I've right, but as a citizenwith kids out on the streets,
like I'm like where is thejustice?

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
you know, like yeah, pravis said I'd only be
concerned for bystanders.
The bikers chose their fate.
I agree, and that's the balancethat you play.
It's like at the end of the day, you're chasing for a traffic
offense yeah, but he's also, atthe end of the day, running from
a traffic true, he said roll upbehind him.
Before you light them up, getthe license tag a space frog

(01:08:32):
first.
Before I even finish the restof your sentence, most of them
don't have a tag.
That motorcycle we just watchedit didn't have a tag.
So and if they do, it'sprobably stolen a lot of times.
The motorcycles themselves arestolen when they run.
So these, that's the the game.
Or they put on novelty plateswhen they go, because now
they've got these 360 camerasand part of the fun for them is

(01:08:56):
to post the stuff on socialmedia with their novelty tag
that's on their, theirmotorcycle, so they can put
their whatever their tag, usertag is, or what do they call it?
User handle, handle.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
You know what I'm saying that'd be cool if, like
you could have like a watercannon, like, oh yeah, brain oh
yeah somebody says this is why Ialways wear my helmet.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Listen, there's not a helmet in the world that
wouldn't save that dude yeah,from what he just, what he just
encountered yeah, greg elias andsaid it's still a learning
experience.
It is definitely a learningexperience.
Um, colton james says it's notworth it.
Uh, for lights and sirens, afollow is better and that's what
we are trained.
So what I was alluding toearlier is just following the

(01:09:43):
same direction.
You can't speed.
You gotta you know, obey thetraffic laws and everything and
hope that you keep up with.
Uh, hope there's some videoevidence or something that can
identify them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
And sit there and think about you know, if you, if
you scroll that camera backeverybody that's in that
intersection, these people thatare going to the store, maybe at
lunch, at work, whatever thecase, that poor family or
whoever was in that frigging vanthat he hit they didn't do
anything wrong, they wereabiding, and this dude hits him.
Now what are they going to havegoing through their mind for
the rest of their lives?

(01:10:16):
There's so many things thatjust your average citizen will
go through.
That's not accounted for, andthat's one of the big reasons
that we don't chase these things.
I mean, these people were justout here living and some idiot
comes and does that.
Now they have to deal with thatin the back of, just like you
know, first responders do withstuff that they see.
Now they're a victim of that.
Yeah, bullshit, I mean it.

(01:10:37):
Just it pisses me off that thepeople put other people through
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
What you should do is take your baton out, pull up
next to them and throw it intheir front wheel spokes.
That'll make the bike flip over.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Very true, just pit maneuver them right.
Bosco Autry said have you allseen the one with the Charger in
Arkansas?
Yeah, the all blacked outCharger, it's pretty good yeah
there's a blacked out Corvettethat was doing the same thing.
There was a blacked out Camaroalso doing the same thing, but

(01:11:11):
guess what?
They've all been caught.
Inevitably and I'm going to letthe bad guys know this it is
not that hard for us to get awarrant on your instagram
account, or whatever accountyou're using for your social
media, and figure out who youare, where you are, and geotrack
your ass and then relateeverything you've done to your

(01:11:32):
account and get you what andthat yeah, I mean like
hillsborough, they fly, uh atnight I don't want to give too
much away but to combat theracing cars going down.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
I guess what is that i-4, whatever it is, that runs
out tampa towards sarasota, thatbig 75, maybe 75 or four, I
can't remember but uh, anyway,they have a high flying, high
altitude uh helicopter thatflies way up and they don't even
say anything and they justfollow.
They just follow the cars, theytrack their speeds and

(01:12:04):
everything, and they'll trackthem all the way until they stop
at what you know whatever barrestaurant they're going to,
yeah, and they'll kind of hoverwhere they can't see them or
hear them and then all the copswill come.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Yeah, space frogs said, I've been seeing a lot of
body cam footage lately of copscatching bikes with no tags at a
stoplight and grabbing the keys.
Yeah, that must be what they'redoing to try to stop some of
this.
Yes, absolutely yeah.
And so I actually posted one ofthese videos lately and asked
people like did the cop overstep?
And I would?
And I made it a poll and thepoll was overwhelmingly that the

(01:12:35):
police I think we're talking 70, 30, I think the police
overstepped by taking the keyfrom these bikes.
And that begs to ask thequestion like what do you
consider overstepping?
You don't have a lot of toolsto combat these bikes yeah what
would you rather us do just?

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
let them go, let them right, you know what I mean.
Like let them injure themselvesI mean I'm fair with that, I'm
fine, like.
But the problem is, is thatthey're gonna.
You know, they hit my van fullof my five children yeah, you
know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Now I'll go with space frog's example.
He said bikes with no plates.
So I have an offense.
Yeah, you gotta.
Yes, if I have an offense, II'm okay with grabbing that key.
However, one of the videos Iposted.
The information behind it wasthey got reports of a motorcycle
matching the description.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Yeah, but if the violation is not seen by the
officer, then yes.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Yes, if the cop doesn't see the offense, I don't
think you have the right to goand pull somebody's key just
based on I don't care if theysay it's a neon green bike with
a you know suctioned, you knowrubberized dildo hanging off the
back.
That's very specific and I'veseen those bikes, but it still
doesn't give you the right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Texas is a weird place.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Or they'll put it on the helmet.
It's a buddy like fucking withthem and they'll stick a suction
cup dildo to the bike.
It's hilarious.
And you'll see them riding downthe road and I'll start
pointing and they'll look backand they're like I'm trying to
get my buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
It's got 3d printer and you're like those stupid
ducks that everybody puts ontheir jeeps yes like I fucking
I'll walk to my jeep andwhenever I see one in there, I
like swipe it off onto the roadand then I get into my jeep.
But what I want to do is, uh, Iwant to make one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
That are like dicks and like okay, I mean they're
the same size and color of thoseduckies and I just want to.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
You should put duck lips on it.
You should put duck lips on itso that when they at a glance
they're like, oh, it's a duck.
And then they get closer andlike, why is that duck so tall?

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
instead of ducking him, you dick him.
Now what I used to do is uh, inas a cop is they make the penis
um valve stems, covers, and Iwould go to like the passenger
side of the cop car and put likeneon pink little dick right you
know, when I was a rookie and Icould get away with that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
But so david emmonson said uh, perhaps manufacturers
should help, a way to providekill switch.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
Uh, because like yeah , I don't know like because,
like we, we have the freedom tobe like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
That's why we live in america, so we can fucking run
right yeah, you don't want thegovernment to have any more
control over your shit thannecessary.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
Uh, and I think that's definitely overstepping
on your freedom because theremight be a time that I have to
run from the cops.
I'm not saying, I'm just sayingthere it looks like in my
lifetime there might become aninstance where I'm going to
start running from.
I'm just kidding yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Bosco said um, well, I'm in defense of street racers
morons by my house, or no.
He says well, I'm defense ofstreet racers morons by houses
next to drag strips andracetracks, and then bitch about
the noise.
Then the tracks get shut downfrom mom and pop soccer a-holes.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
Oh okay, yeah, I get what you're saying he says well
in defense yeah, I see whatyou're saying yeah, but I mean
so.
These guys aren't racing, thoughthat's you.
We rarely do you see themracing.
They're just doing wheelies andacting like assholes and
weaving in and out of traffic.
Now listen, there's, you know,on the highway.

(01:16:06):
If you know three o'clock andfour o'clock in the morning, I
mean go for it, unless you'regoing to, you know, unless
you're causing.
You know.
For the instance where I had tochase this guy, he was doing
laps on our 440.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Beltway, yeah, it's going in circles, and so I mean
yeah will.
Cray said uh, transy doesn'tlike those dildos.
You gotta learn how to spell,bro he's from wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
I think that makes sense we're gonna tease tansy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
I had to back him up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
I remember 2003, 2004 , I was just getting hot and
heavy still a rookie, I was inK-9, lucky enough to get
selected for that, and I gotbehind a Tahoe, ran it.
It came back as a 60.
It was stolen, occupied, stolen, and I remember I was like this
is GM.
So I had dispatch contact onstar and to have that vehicle

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running 75, 80 down the highway,which is not an extreme amount
of speed, but OnStarcommunicates really well with
dispatch and they're able toshut down and slow down that
speed.
That was badass technology.
The technology is still there,but they were able to control
that, stop and stop that car forme and OnStar could apply the
brakes in 2004 and take away thegas ability and we were able to

(01:17:21):
take him to custody withoutincident.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
That's cool.
I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
I'm not, I'm, I'm okay.
This is that's kind of thebalance.
I'm okay If us, as police,contact the third party, say,
hey, this is what we have.
Can you like, can you stop thisvehicle for us based on these
factors that we have right now?
And cool, um, because it mayalso help us eliminate the fact

(01:17:47):
that it may not be the car owner.
The car owner may have hisstuff stolen, um, which we can
confirm with the car owner.
Hey, you're.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
Yeah, my car is stolen, my bike's stolen is that
how it works, so that the guywho got the car stolen gives you
permission?

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
so the guy that got this car stolen.
They sign a user agreement withOnStar when they purchase the
vehicle If they register samewith LoJack on how the LoJack
signal gets turned on on thevehicles.
You sign up for that, so you'vedone it as stolen and then
sometimes dispatchers will begood enough, depending on where
you're at, they'll actually putthat in the entry OnStar

(01:18:22):
controlled vehicle advised afterconfirmation that this is the
vehicle you're behind, and thenthey can start that transmission
with with on star and get thatvehicle safely stopped.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
yeah, I agree with that.
Yeah, that's fine, because thenyou're giving them permission
to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Yes, right, right.
And another thing in texas wasreally hot in the late 90s and
it kind of tapered off about2005,.
They had what's called I thinkit was called Texas Heat and
they used to put these stickerson the back of the windows when
you went and registered yourvehicle.
If you were of a certain ageusually senior citizens, they,
you know cause they're not goingto be technically I know some
do they're not going out after 2am.

(01:18:54):
So between the hours in Texasand legislation passed it, if
you had a Texas heat sticker onthe back of your car from 2 am
to 5 am, you had given causefrom the owner of that vehicle
to stop that vehicle to seewhere it's going.
People with a Fourth Amendmentviolation.
You think about that nowadayson how they twist stuff.
But yeah, I was a cop back thento where we see something at

(01:19:17):
2.30,.
You see that vehicle, you callor you radio it in and it says
it on the registration TexasHeat vehicle.
You can see the sticker upthere Reasonable suspicion of
probable cause no longer existsand you have a right to stop.
Oh, that's awesome.
And we only got a couple stolenones out of that Great program.
It faded off, obviously, whenthe country started changing.
With some stuff it's gone now.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
But you still see some old cars rolling around
with texas with that sticker inthe back.
I've never heard of that.
Yeah, interesting.
You know what else is um, youknow what else?
Uh, prevented car thefts in the90s um the club what about
trunk monkey?

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
trunk thing, as Trunk Monkey will help your vehicle
out.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Remember when everybody was buying the club?

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Yeah, I mean, you go to a Walmart and you see all the
red things sticking up on thereLike, oh, thank God that one's
not going to get stolen, thebetter one is.
I stopped and occupied a stolenvehicle.
The dude was driving it withthe club on.
It was frigging outstanding.
He stole the vehicle andsuccessfully got it like 80
miles from where he stole it.
He couldn't get a full turnbecause of the club, but he was

(01:20:30):
able to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
So Space Frog said I wonder what today's technology,
if they couldn't use cell phonedata to ID these folks, a phone
screaming from one tower to thenext, should jump out on a cell
phone data?
Yes, they can, especiallyanything google-based.
That makes it super easy.
However, you have to catch them.
You got to know who they arelike.
You got to find these peoplefirst.
So if they run on a bike andyou don't have any, any

(01:20:55):
information other than a dude ina helmet that you can't see in,
makes it really hard.
However, if you catch them, youcan backlog stuff that you may
have had incidences prior and dowhat we call a google tracking
warrant, or a lot of these guys.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
When you catch them, like you go to their facebook
and they'll be like sitting ontheir stolen cars, like you know
.
I mean like there'll be tons ofpictures of them with that
stolen car that you can, yeah,which is always fun, you know
yeah, uh, will cray said that'sgetting towards fourth amendment
violations and I agree you do.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
You have to.
It's a it's a fine balance andthat's why I like the third
party idea, like using on staror whatever else, that you have
anti-theft um company.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Uh, especially for these chargers, challengers that
have the hellcats and the demonengines in them, like they get
stolen so much it's like theyhave to pay these third party um
places to have you know virtualkill switches in their stuff to
track maybe it would be abetter solution that's not a
fourth minute amendmentviolation is they apply these

(01:21:57):
like crazy speed bumps at everyintersection with a red light
that are like electronic, sowhen you're going through if
somebody's running from you youcan just activate it.
All these speed bumps are likein the intersections, Because,
dude, hitting a speed bump atlike 80 miles an hour.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Right, yeah, will Cray said he goes.
I have a manual for one of myvehicles that's so helpful for
theft prevention.
That is true, kids do not knowhow to drive stick shifts these
days.
I started out on an 89 JeepWrangler, carbureted straight
six.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
That's what I'm driving.
That's what I have right now.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
So let's talk about the stolen vehicles for a minute
.
When I first got into lawenforcement, Tansy, when did you
get in?

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
2011.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Okay, I started in 02 fresh out of the marine corps,
went straight into lawenforcement and I was taught
which.
It was not the right way and Ithank god I had a good enough
grape on the top of my shouldersto realize it.
But my fto is like okay, getbehind, this car looks like a
dope or come out of thatneighborhood.
You know typical spiel.
Let's try to find some pc.
Well, we run the 20, I run thelicense plate.

(01:22:59):
Uh, comes back with back withnothing.
He's like all right, this iswhat I want you to do Copy and
paste that name, run it underthe 27.
This is the registered owner.
For those of you that don't know, I'm talking about the
registered owner of the vehicle.
And and then they would runthat.
And I'm like well, what are wedoing?
He's like well, we're going to,we're going to see.

(01:23:28):
And I'm like uh, do you know?
Can you do you?
Have you dealt with the person?
Do you know that's who'sdriving?
Did we see it?
Now, I'm not going to do it andI got written up for not taking
that information and obviouslyit went away.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
My way was the correct way and we were really,
you know I do it I do that everystop, I would do that every
traffic stop on a traffic stop.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
You're good?
I mean you're good to go, Imean because you're getting a
traffic stop.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
you're good to go Because you're getting a traffic
offense.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
Yeah, traffic offense .
You're gravy, You're golden,but when you're just going
behind cars and you run a 28,okay, that goes back to Bob
Smith.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
But you didn't say you were just running cars, you
said it was coming out of a drugneighborhood or a bad
neighborhood and you run the tagand it comes back to you know,
jorge San Francisco, and I copyand I paste that and I say, oh
shit, jorge san francisco's gotwarrants.
I think doesn't that give youreasonable suspicion to stop the
car to see if jorge sanfrancisco is driving that car I,

(01:24:13):
I think you get it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
For me personally, I think you got to have a little
bit more on there just becauseof the fourth amendment.
I mean, if it's not a woman,driving or it's not obvious, I
think you you can articulatethat.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
That said, jorge.

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
San.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
Francisco could be driving that car.
Yeah, but good luck.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
When we ran people back then we wouldn't get their
27 or their, their license plateor their license picture on
there.
Nowadays, a lot of these RMSCAD systems are going to give
you that information and youmight be able to pull up next to
the car.
You that information and youmight be able to pull up next to
the car maybe it's, you know,under a street light or daylight
.
You see, you're like that.
That is jorge san francisco andby god, he's got warrants.
Then, yes, because youphysically id'd him, he's behind

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the wheel of a car.
Your case is going to be goldenall the way up, for whatever
you find, I'm gonna say manbecause that's how I saw, that's
how I served most of mywarrants sure now, have you ever
done that and stopped thevehicle and walked up and you're
like well, that's Jorge'sbrother, it's not Jorge.
Where do you take it?

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
I just say hey, have you seen, jorge, san Francisco
lately?

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
Hey, can you let Jorge San Francisco know that
he's got warrants for his arrest.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
Let's look at it.
What's the justification foryour stop?

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
We have reasonable suspicion that Jorge San
Francisco, it's his car.
He has warrants for his car,right.
It's a reasonable suspicion tobelieve that he would be driving
his car.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
Now where it flips here is when you run a vehicle
and here in Texas we call itregions, so there may be what's
called Class C citations,something that's gone out for a
warrant they didn't pay acitation you get a region on the
vehicle Texas specific.
It gives you probable cause tostop that vehicle to see if the
region holder is in it.
Similar but different.

(01:25:50):
I know I mean we're on twodifferent lines here.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
But that actually gives you the probable cause to
see if the person that actuallyhas the accident.
But you don't have to haveprobable cause to stop a car.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
No, no, you just reasonable suspicion.
Absolutely yeah, 100 agree, 100agree with that I mean I don't
like you know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
Like I said, if it was a shady neighborhood and I
ran the plate of the car, thecar comes back, good.
But I'm like man, it's a supershady neighborhood, that guy's
coming off there.
Let me see if I can figure outwho this guy is.
And then I run his name and hecomes back with warrants and
then I go, hey, is that a dudedriving that car?
Is that a black male drivingthat car?
If the answer is probably yes,then, and he's got warrants.
I'm pulling it over.

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Now, if it's like a fuckingwhite dude and it's a black guy,
that's got warrants, of course.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
I mean right, right, yeah, you're common sense.
You know common sense on that.
My whole thing is is thesethese people were doing it,
running it, and and sometimes,if you don't have that date of
birth, you may come back with ahit out of Houston, texas, and
you're patrolling in Dallas andthe car's coming back to Dallas
and you've got this guy out ofHouston with the same name.
You're like, ah, I'm going tostop, it's not a definitive.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
And I guess in Texas you probably, like everybody has
the same name because, likeHispanics, you guys have a lot
of fucking Hispanics and theyall have like.
Alejandro.
Cortez, Jorge Riguez.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
And we've also got a million Jim Smiths and Bob
whites and you know it's thesame with the, you know.
And if you run that, I meanthink about a commonality of a
name.
I'm thinking big picture.
What if everything I did?
I was like what if this goes toTexas Supreme court?
What's it?
What if it goes to Supremecourt?
I did I was like what if thisgoes to Texas Supreme Court?
What if it goes to SupremeCourt?
Can I articulate every stepthat I've taken to stop this
vehicle, which is technically anarrest.

(01:27:26):
I'm sure it wasn't your statetoo, until you released them.
It's technically an arrest andyou're releasing them either
with a warning or a citationthat's going to set up a court
date.
So I was so scared in theacademy when I heard if you do
this, this and this, you'reviolating somebody's fourth
amendment.
I just did my best in my careerto to make sure I never juggled
or went down that gray line andalways had proper, reasonable

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suspicion.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
I guess like we don't have that problem where I
worked because everybody's nameswere not the same but we had
like drawn querious Williams orDante, take one Ellis, you know
what I mean.
Like nobody had the same name,yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
I would be.
That's why I, when I trainpeople or when I was coming up,
like I was told very early in mycareer like just get the
traffic offense.
Once you have that, you'regolden and it's it's damn near
impossible to not commit atraffic offense.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
You follow long enough, you know that traffic
could well enough.
You're going to get them andyou can articulate it.
I talked to the dash cam likeI'm talking to the jury every
time I was making a stop.
This is what I'm seeing.
This is what I'm doing.
If the camera caught it, great.
If it didn't, at least I'marticulating on camera what I
saw.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
Right, yeah Well, he's taking a shot at it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
He said obviously like 99 black area.
So if there was a white guy hewas going to jail regardless,
because I need the fbi racialprofile form stats for a white
guy.
So like if it was a white guywas making up shit.
Like obviously you'recommitting a crime, I'm taking
you to jail, um, but no, what Iwas saying is is like if the
warrant comes back to a blackdude and it's a white guy
driving, you know you can'tserve that warrant vice versa,

(01:28:59):
whatever space frog has been ournew, our new I love it, dude.
He's been awesome I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
He's always throwing shit out there, yeah listen.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
A lot of people don't know that there's these things
called racial profile forms, andwhenever you stop a car, you
have to fill out a racialprofile form and as a white cop
in an all-black area and I havea very small area that was, you
know I can almost say that 99.8%of the houses were owned and
operated by black folks.

(01:29:28):
Like if there was a whiteperson that owned a house there,
maybe they were renting it to ablack guy, but like there just
wasn't.
Anyway, so I would fill outhundreds of racial profile forms
a week being black, black male,black male, black female, black
male.
Being black, black male, blackmale, black female, black male.
And if I'm working nights, well, there's a certain genre of
human being in the all-blackneighborhood that goes out at
that time and it's not the 86year old black male, you know.

(01:29:51):
It's always going to be likebetween 21 and 42, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
So my racial profiling forms were you know
yeah, uh, a royal said levine, Ilove your summer shirt.
Hey, bro, retro rifle.
They're not an official sponsorby any means, but uh, I'm gonna
keep plugging them until theyare, uh, retro rifle.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
I'm always wearing my hawaiian shirts that got guns
on them, so check them out guysso I think I think tansy's
drinking that was that liquiddeath that you had as well.
You weren't here in thebeginning.
Oh yeah, you missed it.
Tansy I drinking.
That Was that liquid death thatyou had as well, you weren't
here in the beginning.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
Oh yeah, you missed it.
Tansy, you're muted.
Dummy your mic muted.
Fix your shit.
Yeah, we can't hear you.
You look like a frog.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
Space frog.
Is it good it?

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
said mic refreshed.
I don't know what that means,but no, my, they sent my kids
like five cases of this shit.
Liquid death.
My kids are like sponsoredskateboarders.
You can go follow them at duketansy or yeah, red kids club.
Yeah, that's their youtubechannel but, like, their
personal instagrams are bigger,but duke tansy, d-u-k-e tansy,
you can watch them shred.

(01:31:01):
But yeah, liquid death sentthem like five fucking cases and
shirts and a whole bunch ofother shit.
So we're big liquid death fans,I guess in this house hell yeah,
all right, let's go to anothervideo.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
I'm sure people are uh ready.
Um, let's share screen deputies, da, da, da, da, let's biggie
size it shout out to.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
I like to see where these are from.
So please hold on, would youfucking?

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
relax.
It doesn't matter where they'refrom.
It does matter, it doesn't.
This says Douglas CountySheriff's Office.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
So okay, I think geography is cool, so we got
somebody fleeing.
Geography is cool.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
So we got somebody fleeing.
Oh, he's driving Guys.
I didn't know 7-Eleven haddrive-thrus but they do.
If you're just listening, thisguy just rode straight through
the 7-Eleven going, trying toget right to the front.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
Turn your lights and sirens off and roll away.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
So let's this guy just rode straight through the
7-Eleven going trying to getright to the front, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
Okay, turn your lights and sirens off and roll
away.
So, let's, let's, let's damagethe property, let's do what
we're supposed to do For me.

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
You have immediate threat to life and limb of
civilians, so you got to earnyour paycheck here.
I'm going to drive right up onthat ass because I'm not letting
you back out, and I'm going todeploy with my gun ready to go.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Anybody got anything different?
Nope, I didn't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
Now you got a hostage situation, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
Now you exactly, tansy.
You got a barricaded person,like I am going to try to.
I want two officers on thefront here, like we have, and
anybody else.
I need you to go check theother exits and make sure that
those are covered.

Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
And now we're going to keep yelling verbal commands
while we let SWAT or whateverspecialized unit we have no
here's a good side note for allyou employees that you know are
making $8 an hour Tell youremployer to take those fucking
signs out of the window.
So when shit like this happens,you know it's like we can see

(01:33:15):
what's going on inside and maybeyou won't get robbed, you know,
because they can hide behindthe $3 cigarette sign with a gun
in your face and everybody justgo around like life is normal,
like get those fucking massivesigns out of the way of your
business.
So yeah, like that's the pointof having it well lit and having
a shit ton of windows is so gasstations the number one place
that gets robbed doesn't getrobbed, and then you ruin that

(01:33:37):
by putting up a lot of cities intexas have gone to a.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
They they've created a municipal ordinance that we
have to see within 90 of thatwindow uh, starting at the
bottom.
So thank god cities can startfinding them, if they don't
create that, to where we can seein the business, and I love
that they start doing that allright.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
so yeah, from here perimeter yelling out verbal
commands, staying behind coverbecause we don't know if our
guy's armed has a gun oranything like that, and wait for
SWAT to get out there, becausethis is where I'm going to want
a specialized unit, if I can getthem, if you have that luxury.
Not every department has thatluxury Hands up.

Speaker 5 (01:34:17):
Hands up, hands up Gun.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
Oh shit, All right, he called it out Gun Saw it
Started firing on threat.

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
Puppy.

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
Oh, I see what's wrong here?

Speaker 5 (01:34:49):
Oh, he's kind of stuck.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
He's aiming the gun at the officer's direction.
Whoa, where'd that guy comefrom?

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
The passenger seat.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
I was focused on the bald guy.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
He came out of the vehicle as well.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
I'm going to go back.
Hold on, I didn't see thesecond guy, don, comes out.
Oh yeah, the passenger doortries to open.
Put your hands up.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
Put your hands up.
No-transcript.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Put your hands up, Put your, and you know King 720,
.
You're not going to believethis.
Dude just drove through thefreaking store.
That's how I would have been onthe radio every time.

Speaker 5 (01:35:48):
Put your hands out.
Put your hands out, hands out,hands out.
305 Adam shots fired.

Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
Shots fired.
Okay, you can hear the stressin the voice.
That is common.
I'm not going to say I wouldn'tbe any different.

Speaker 3 (01:36:10):
Well, and he can't hear because he just fucking
shot with no ear pro on.

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
Possibly.
Sometimes you get that auditoryexclusion when you get really
amped up and you don't evennotice.

Speaker 5 (01:36:20):
305 Adam shots, exclusion when you get really
amped up and you don't evennotice.
Somebody stole his sleeves, mein sleeves.

(01:36:43):
Put your hands up.
Put your hands up, hands up,hands up gun.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
Now I am not mad at all at the officer that pressed.
I kind of I'm kind of that guytoo.
Some people want to stay back,stay behind somewhat of cover,
like this guy's doing, but Iwant to be able to see and I
want to be able to see and Iwant to be able to have my guns
already out, so I want to havethe advantage if a threat
presents itself and I want to bethe first one on the trigger.

(01:37:11):
So that's kind of I, I like theway that he did it.
All right, that's the end ofthat one.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
Well, I mean, do they hit him?

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
Doesn't say oh come on, Doesn't say bro.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
You're not going to do any research, go down.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
All right, first off listen Tanzy.

Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
I can't end on that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
I got to know you got to First off.
This is part of why we do whatwe do with body cams.
It's not it shut up.
It is not a monday morningquarterback, don't you?
Don't you roll your fuckingeyes at me, tansy?
I need to know if these guyslived or died but part of the
fun of the body cam stuff isjust talking about the

(01:37:59):
educational part of how werespond as officers while we're
in the moment.
It has nothing to do with thecall itself.
Can you just tell me if?
the guy's died or not With thatsaid, I will go back for you and
I will read what they have inthe description.
Castle Rock, colorado.
On October 11, 2023, at 5 am,thornton Police Department
Officers attempt to contact asuspicious, possibly stolen,

(01:38:21):
truck vehicle when the drivertook off.
The suspect then fired uponofficers at least twice.
The pursuit continued inDouglas County where the
sheriff's office deputies tookover In County Line Road 125,.
The driver, 33-year-old KyleWilliamson, failed to pull over
and continued to drive recklessmanner, swerving toward Douglas

(01:38:41):
County Sheriff's Office Deputy'spatrol car before getting off
at exit 182 Wolfensberger Roadin Castle Rock.
Williams continued west andturned south.
They're giving a lot of details, I don't need.
Stop sticks were deployed, whichwere successful, swerved at

(01:39:02):
Deputy's as he was setting up.
The stop six continued 7-11store.
Uh.
There the clerk and thecustomer inside were both
unharmed.
The deputies converged on thesuspect, pointed a gun at the
deputies and refused commands toput the weapon down.
Deputies fired upon him, hithim several times but survived.
Williamson's wife, 37-year-oldHannah, was taken into custody.

(01:39:23):
She was not injured, so thatwas probably the second person.
No deputies were injured.
Woolard pleaded guilty earlierthis year to being an accessory
to a crime and was sentenced onAugust 5th to three years in
community corrections, received16-year sentence and a

(01:39:47):
first-degree assault.
Oh so he got 16 years for atotal of 64 years.
Oh, beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:39:54):
Okay okay.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
He was also ordered to serve three years of parole.
The dog named Major in the backof the truck or in the is now
with the family oh, because hestole the truck when the dog.

Speaker 3 (01:40:05):
Oh, he stole the truck with a dog in it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
What a dick.
Welcome dude.
Yeah, fuck that guy.
What an asshole.
How do you not let the dog outbefore you steal the truck?
Have some humanity, you monster.
Holy shit.
You know what?
I'm glad he got 64 years justbecause you stole the dog and
then you put the dog in jeopardy, you know?

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
I mean, they made a whole john wick series off of a
dog, so I give me one more andthen I gotta go because I got an
early show tomorrow.
You don't got here, it's youdon't get.
It ain't late, it's 10 o'clock.
It's 10 o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
Oh my god, you know what.
Some of us still patrol thestreets while your family sleeps
.

Speaker 3 (01:40:49):
You were keeping me safe at night.

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
I provide justice.
There goes my hero Cue the FooFighters.
So, alright, let me get thisnext video up here.
They're not long, it's onlyfour minutes.
So here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:41:11):
Oh, he's fast.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
Oh, he's running.
He's in them Crocs, he'srunning, two of them running.
That's the police right there.
You can tell oh no, oh no.
No, oh, no Okay that's thepolice right there you can tell
oh no, oh no, no, oh no okay sothis is why, dude, this is why
we don't take blind cornersquick, uh, as we run up.

(01:41:34):
So for me, let me go back justa little bit.
As I'm approaching this blindcorner, I am going to, I'm going
to pie out really wide andstart my guns out and I'm going
to start taking this cornerreally wide.
Now I am kind of I didn'trealize that was going to happen
so quick.
So I am Monday morningquarterback a little bit Cause I

(01:41:54):
know what happened.
But I'm going to pie out realwide.
What do you?
Got banning.

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
Same thing.
I mean you've got to take yourtime on this.
I mean we have a lot of newofficers that want to rush and
I'm the guy that caught him andthis, and that you're also the
guy that ends up dead, andthat's unfortunate.
But just like you're saying,eric, I mean you've got to pie
that corner, you take time,you've got.
It's a municipal area.
I'm sure he's got backup,unlike I did, and he can take
his time and freaking get thejob done.

Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
So yeah and you know, hopefully you've got the where,
where, with all the look around, I see the c wire on top of the
fence, which makes me believeit.
I've already cut off one avenuefor escape any quick.
It's not that you can't getthrough this and over that fence
, but it's going to be very hardif you're in a rush.

(01:42:38):
So yeah, dude they shoot the copI couldn't tell here, so we
take the corner.
He's like oh, actually it lookslike I see flashes coming from
the cop.
There's no sound, oh where he'sattacking the car.

Speaker 5 (01:42:58):
He's attacking the cops.
Kill him, kill him, hey, killhim.
I'm going to shoot you.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
Oh, the bad guy's yelling kill him, kill him to
the girl is what it sounds like.
It sounds like a girl to me.
Fuck.
I can tell you right now, if Ihear kill him, kill him.
My gun is out.
Are they choking the?

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
cop, or is the cop choking?

Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
him.
The cop's choking him, it lookslike, or at least he's using
his neck as a leverage point.

Speaker 5 (01:43:31):
Off with him.
Kill In the name of Jesus.
I rebuke you In the name ofJesus.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
She's rebuking.
We just had the Macy case whereshe rebuked and she got shot.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
You know what happens when you rebuke people in the
name of Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
You get shot, don't be rebuking, oh Jesus.

Speaker 5 (01:43:50):
I rebuke you In the name of Jesus, I rebuke you.

Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
All right from here.
I personally am not botheringwith my radio.
I don't have control, I'mhands-on and I'm two-on-one um.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
I'm breaking her jaw like something.

Speaker 1 (01:44:07):
Yeah, it's gonna be hard for me to tell you what I
would do from here, because Ican't tell what type of.

Speaker 3 (01:44:12):
I'll tell you her face is like right there, my
hands on that guy's neck.
I'm hitting her in the face ashard as I can something like I'm
just.
I'm gonna hit her as hard as Ican and hope to God that it
works at one time, because I'mnot fighting two people.
No I blasted a chick in the facewhile I was trying to arrest
somebody in a club after anotherofficer called out a signal 25,

(01:44:34):
which for us is like officerdown, essentially Now the cop
that yelled it.
I did not know who he was anddidn't realize that he was a
huge pussy later on in life.
Um, but he yelled signal two,five.
It was the first time I'd everheard one.
I go running into downtown,which is not my district.
I'm the first officer there.
I go running into the nightcluband it is absolute pandemonium

(01:44:56):
and chaos.
And, um, I, there's this guy,he's running and he tries to get
past me and I I kind ofclothesline him and I'm trying
to get him into handcuffs.
And this girl comes by and shedoes the like koala bear, you
know what I mean Jumps up onyour koala bear yeah, I skimmy
her off cause she's a littlehigh on my shoulders.
She drops down, she, you know.

(01:45:18):
You know when somebody's onyour back and you bend over and
they kind of fall awkwardly likea koala bear, and so she's like
awkwardly trying to like falloff me.
And as she starts trying to getback up, I was like fuck this
man.
I hit her so hard right, rightsquare in the side of the temple
and that put her out, lightsout and I got this guy in
handcuffed and you know I had toarticulate why I hit her.

(01:45:38):
But I was like dude, I wasoutnumbered by far, yeah.
And I didn't like stop and say,hey, this is a girl, you know
what I mean?
That's like yep.

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
You did the right thing there, because there's a
gun involved and it's yours,right, you know, if she were to
get something on you andfrigging, choke you out or
something like that, you've gotto do that kind of stuff and the
general public doesn'tunderstand that.
Have I hit people?
Unfortunately, I've had to alot, but we've got to control
that situation, so I applaud youfor doing that.
There's a lot of people who arelike, oh God, I can't do that

(01:46:09):
because it's no, it's yoursituation.
You've got to go home at theend of the night, and so does
everybody else, so just get thefreaking job done.

Speaker 1 (01:46:24):
And in this one right here, what I'm seeing is Tansy,
you're rolling.
Now.
This is a good knee-on-bellysituation so I can keep my arms
free and still control thissecond person.
This guy's got both the bad guyand if you're just listening to
this later, the bad guy's gotboth arms up, but it looks like
our officer has both arms on thesuspect in either some sort of
neck restraint or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:46:45):
In the name of Jesus, I rebuke you.
In the name of Jesus, I rebukeyou.

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
She's getting punched she is getting punched.

Speaker 5 (01:46:57):
You let go of him.

Speaker 1 (01:47:01):
I would like to hear moreverbal commands.
In the name of Jesus, let go.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
I would like to hear more verbal commands.
In the name of Jesus.
Yeah, I rebuke you.

Speaker 5 (01:47:10):
Let go no, no, let go no.
I rebuke you.
Okay, let go no.

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
Okay, that's fine Let go.

Speaker 5 (01:47:20):

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
Now she's getting headbutted.

Speaker 5 (01:47:29):
In the name of Jesus, get offmy head.
I am going to kill you.
He's a demon.
He's kill her.

Speaker 1 (01:47:44):
He's a demon, he's a demon.

Speaker 5 (01:47:45):
He's a demon.
Get rid of him.
Kill her.
Tell me, in the name of Jesus,I will kill you.
Kill her Physical, go into hell, kill her, kill yourself,
physical, in the name of Jesus.
Behind the Toyota Deal, a shotFight to kill her Service club.

Speaker 1 (01:48:04):
Okay, the Toyota Deal with the shirt.
Okay, so he's getting radiocomms out.

Speaker 5 (01:48:08):
Okay with that.
As long as we're controllingthe hands protecting our you
know genitals and Batman belt.
I rebuke you, kill him.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
Space frog, I can smell that mess.
Oh, she's making it out.

(01:48:55):
She's kicked the cop.

Speaker 3 (01:48:56):
Oh yeah, she is so fucked, I'm gonna pause it for a
second?

Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
I don't think so.
I think she did.
I'm going to pause it for asecond.
I think what happened here ishe fired, but now you've got one
arm occupied on the weaponwhile you're still trying to
control your guy.
That had some time to recoveron the ground.
That's where the whole knee onbelly thing really comes into

(01:49:18):
play.
Anybody that's familiar withgrappling the knee on belly will
sap the energy out of the badguy or whoever's on bottom, if
you know what you're doing,because you're going to press
that knee right in the diaphragmand make it a nightmare for
them.

Speaker 5 (01:49:39):
Sounds like the gun, get the gun, get the gun, get
the gun.

Speaker 3 (01:49:47):
He's yelling for her to get the gun, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:49:50):
Officer's on top.
All right from this point.
Now where I'm at sounds likeI'm sapped energy-wise and I'm
fighting two people.
Uh, this guy's getting shot nowI'm I'm okay.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
Definitely, force is definitely.
It's unfortunate you've got todo it at this situation.

Speaker 3 (01:50:13):
Yeah so did you guys get issued, like we got issued,
those, uh, the daggers that gobetween your thumb?

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
I mean between your.
You talking about get off meknife, yeah yeah, and it goes
right in your belt.

Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
You can carry and you just pull it right out there.
We got issued one.
They're like ceramic orsomething like that.
I mean I'm I always used tojoke like I don't even need this
because if I ever use it you'regonna put me in jail forever
for using it, type shit, right,um, and the training we had was
all like sticking it, like it'swhen you're getting choked from
behind and you stick it in theirlegs and everything.
But that was a training we hadon it and it was good training,

(01:50:48):
but I just knew I would neveruse it.
This is actually one of thosescenarios where I would be like
yo, you got that hand on thatthroat.
I think I'm coming out and I'mpig sticking this guy, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's an option, um, and if you
can use that, you can use yourgun.
It's deadly force, no matterwhat way you look at it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:04):
so this guy's getting stabbed, shot, eyeball gouged,
whatever back on the bottom.

Speaker 1 (01:51:17):
We're fighting over the gun is what it looks like
pull that trigger again.

Speaker 6 (01:51:27):
I made you.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
Oh, that'd be hard to hear over the radio.
Get him.

Speaker 5 (01:51:35):
I go Help.
Chalk fire Get him, get him,get him Get my gun.
Crossfire Get him, get him, gethim Get him.

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
Oh, he got some help from construction workers.
I was like dude.

Speaker 3 (01:51:52):
I hope that's not more meth heads.
Yeah, methies, unite Yo Ithought it was like more meth
heads coming after him.

Speaker 1 (01:52:06):
That's the last thing you see.
Is just this like army?
Yeah, so I'm shoot.
I'm okay with, yeah, using yourweapon.
In this one, Space Frog saidI'm betting he didn't get on the
radio before this went down.
You don't hear anybody coming.
Yeah, I agree, I mean he may bewearing an earpiece too.

Speaker 3 (01:52:22):
Yeah, Well no, he says he doesn't hear sirens.

Speaker 1 (01:52:26):
True, yeah, but well, we didn't hear radio traffic.
That's the other thing.
Normally you'll hear some radiotraffic, so I'm guessing he had
an earpiece in and that's whywe couldn't hear any radio
traffic about people coming outor whatever.
Will Cray said gun is jammedprobably.
Yeah, that 10.
It tends to go out of batterywhen you get into fights and
trying to pull the trigger whilefighting over a weapon.

Speaker 3 (01:52:48):
that's why you gotta punch early, man.
Like as soon as that bitch likecame up over you and she was
just kind of like sitting therelike rebuking you in the name of
satan, you just got a fuckingend.

Speaker 1 (01:52:58):
Yeah, you know, I mean like, why you?

Speaker 3 (01:52:59):
still got the energy.

Speaker 1 (01:53:00):
So you bring up a good point, tansy, and I talk
about this a lot on here is thatit seems like the cop is using
too much force at the beginningand you're like that's fucked up
.
Why do you do that?
This is why they do thatBecause if you don't use
overwhelming force, if you don'tknock the screaming eagle shit
out of somebody on that first,hit the first time as soon as

(01:53:20):
you are allowed to, yeah, thisis what can happen and I would
rather that I punched her and,you know, fucked her face up for
a second, then me have to shoother and possibly kill her later
, because I him hauled aroundand I hesitated and I didn't use
the amount of force that wasnecessary during a fight where

(01:53:42):
it's two on one and we all knowwhy, why he hesitated on this.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
I mean, it's it's.
It's the friggin media.
Yeah, this dude is he's doinghis friggin job, but he's so
worried on what that mondaymorning local news, national
news.
If he does his friggin job andgoes home at the end of the
night and uses what a lot ofpeople, unfortunately, are going
to consider excessive force,but he's going up the force
continuum, he's doing everythingcorrect and he's doing the

(01:54:07):
damnedest to frigging.
Stay alive back there behindthat store or whatever.
That is man.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
That's a scary situation, very much.
That's a scary situation rightthere, yeah.
Tansy, I know you got to go bud,so give everybody a little
shout out to how they can findyou uh, you can find me at
failure to stop on instagramwhere you can follow my regular
instagram handle, eric tansy,official.
Um, and then, uh, you know, butyeah, just we podcast.

(01:54:35):
Uh, we get five shows a week,but I have political news
tomorrow morning at 10 ameastern standard time on the
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We do have the YouTube and theYouTube chats, but we're not as
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We're mainly an audio podcast.
But if you're into politicalnews and you want to see a
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(01:54:58):
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week's political updates in avery fun, politically incorrect
way.
So, awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:55:06):
Well, brother, I appreciate you uh joining up and
taking part, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:55:11):
Thank you for having me anytime I'm in.

Speaker 1 (01:55:18):
I will talk to you later All right, Wait, wait wait
, how do I?

Speaker 5 (01:55:19):
exit.
Do I just hit this?
I'll exit you.
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:55:21):
There we go Now.
He see you, bro, thank you.
There we go Now he's off.
Remove guest.
There he goes, he's gone.
Okay, so let me go to our nextvideo Share screen.
This one share, I understand, Iwish to proceed.

(01:55:44):
Biggie size.
Okay, here we go, san Marcos.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
I'm sure we'll get audio in about 20 seconds.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:55:58):
Alright, I can tell already by the officer's body
language.
He wants this guy to step backa little bit, get away and
either turn around or just getover there while I try to talk
to you.
I'm not giving you a lot ofopportunity.
Once I've told you, hey, getback, and you're still in my
space, I'm making contact withyou physically.
I'm not hitting you necessarily, but I'm getting wrist control,

(01:56:21):
typically over your right wrist, because that is the most
dominant.
Yeah, it's a dominant hand fora lot of people, so I like to go
right hand wrist control, bodycams typically hands behind your
back.
There we go, pick up sound for30 seconds.
430,.
Give me the channel.

Speaker 6 (01:56:39):
The channel.
Put your hands behind your back.
I thought we were cool, bro.
Hey, put your hands behind yourback.
I thought we were cool, bro.
Put your hands behind your back.

Speaker 1 (01:56:45):
Alright, you wanna shoot me?
I'm not the discussion's over.
Put your hands behind your back, because we're so close and
we're inside of a store.
I'm going for a two leg.
I'm taking your ass to theground.
It's game on, it's game on forme already, for anybody
listening.
I'm alone, I'm cornered, takingyour ass to the ground.
It's game on.
It's game on for me already,already, for anybody listening.

(01:57:05):
I'm alone, I'm cornered.
Nope, I'm going to control thisoutcome.
You're getting lifted, as Ilike to put it.
I'm going to.
If I was banning, I'd justtruck you through like three
aisles.
I try to do as little damage aspossible.
I don't have that advantage.
So I'm going for a good two-leg, maybe a good single-leg,
depending on what you give me.

(01:57:25):
And Ward said yellow jumpsuitfrom Kill Bill, that's perfect.
Oh, good call, bro, good call.

Speaker 2 (01:57:35):
I can hear the pan flute Good move.

Speaker 1 (01:57:37):
All right.

Speaker 6 (01:57:39):
No, just put your hands behind your back, all
right.
He's trying to create a littledistance.

Speaker 1 (01:57:48):
I'm not mad at that.

Speaker 5 (01:57:50):
Okay, we're going outside.

Speaker 1 (01:57:54):
That looks like we got the unit there.
Hey, put your hands behind yourback.
All right, put your handsbehind your back.
He's running.
He's got the rabbit eyes.
You could see that in the bodylanguage.
He already started lookingaround.
So you know.
Now we know we're going to be.
This is why I said I would havetaken him down right there
inside Control it right thereand be done with it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:13):
This is no offense to newer officers but the newer
generation of officers are lesseager to go hands on and I don't
like to run.
So if I can get control of youright now and drop it to the
ground, because it's going totake me two seconds, because I'd
usually run to my tahoe and I'mgonna let them get tired as I'm
chasing with the tahoe, yeah,and then I'm gonna assist them

(01:58:34):
to the ground and this goes intowhat I'm telling people about
use of force because we allowedthis de-escalation to overplay.

Speaker 1 (01:58:44):
We went way too far in the weeds on de-escalation
with this.
Take them down right then.
And there I have told you whatI need you to do and you ignored
it.
There's no.
Well, let me try to tell themlike three different other ways.
No, I told you.
You clearly, speak English.
You know what I I'm saying?
I'm taking your ass to theground.
Why it seems like it's over um,over the top.

(01:59:08):
But this is why it's not overthe top, because if I didn't
take control right, then andthere now we're gonna pagers out

(01:59:29):
.
He missed.
Good luck, keep him on the run.
I don't hear anybody on theradio saying that.
We got one on the ground, triedto shoot him again with the

(01:59:51):
taser.
Now you're out of shot.
He's using the taser 7, sothere's only two firings that
you can get out of those.
Now we can hear the equipmentslowing down.

(02:00:17):
So he's slowing down.
Okay, yeah, now we switchedover pistol, because why our
taser's out?
We need a distance weapon.
This guy's still running fromus.
What's the offense?

Speaker 2 (02:00:21):
I don't know that's what I want to know from the
very beginning of thissuspicious person.
I'm assuming, yeah, loiteringin the store maybe.
Hey, come check him out.
And that's probably.
If I were a betting man, it'sprobably where it started out,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:00:51):
All right.
Our officer decided to fire hisweapon.

Speaker 2 (02:00:54):
With an HEB in the background.

Speaker 1 (02:00:56):
I was about to get to that, with a backdrop that I
would not want my bullets flyingtowards.
So this goes into.
I don't know what we had tostart.
I won't condemn this officer byany means, but, given what I've
seen in the body cam, thatwasn't a position that I wanted
to fire my gun.
One simply because of mybackdrop that wasn't a safe

(02:01:21):
environment to fire and twobased on I see an empty hands
while this guy runs and he's notposing a threat to anybody else
.
He's running.
Bad guys run.
So yeah, I'm not a fan of this.
Uh, firing shots fired.

(02:01:41):
Okay, I'm gonna guess that hehit him send ems yep, that's my
blood.
we're gonna be.
Now he is gassed.

(02:02:02):
He was at the peak of hisrunning, so I get it.
But I, you know somebody atmarine blood said I believe he
had knives, uh, heading towardsthe hgb.
Okay, fair if you canarticulate that yeah, he had
knives.
He wasn't listening to me.

(02:02:22):
He was clearly, you know, notlistening to law enforcement,
but I need you to show me thathe was posing some sort of
threat towards anybody, becauseit's not illegal to have knives
Right, at least in Texas.
So San Marcos is a place inTexas.
I don't know if this is Texas,could be In a pocket on a big

(02:02:43):
HEB.
HE is a place in Texas.
I don't know if this is.

Speaker 5 (02:02:44):
Texas Could be In the pocket of my big HEB.

Speaker 1 (02:02:46):
HEBs are in Texas.
It did look like he hadsomething shiny in his hand when
he ran by right there.
I'll go back.
That looks like a big-ass knife, it okay?

Speaker 2 (02:03:10):
that changes.
Let's, let's look at this.

Speaker 1 (02:03:11):
He's running towards people with a knife with a knife
out.
That's different very differentthat's different, so I'm okay
with this.
Now I've changed my mind.
I've got new evidence and newinformation and to me that's a
knife right there.
That's a big-ass knife.
So I'm okay with thisAbsolutely.

(02:03:32):
You are running towards peopleon an open store.
You're not listening to lawenforcement.
So, yeah, I'm okay with that.
Will.
That's a with that Will.
Crazy, that's a big old knife.
Absolutely, absolutely.
So Good.

(02:03:54):
Shooting for being tired too.
Damn, that's hard to do Becausehe ain't just a little tired,
he's a fucking wind tired.
That's all we got.
So, holy shit, yeah, I'm okaywith that all day long.
Let's go to the comments seewhat you guys think on that

(02:04:14):
particular one.
You know you're running aftersomebody.
Again, we didn't have to getinto a shooting though I'm going
to go back to that.
We didn't have to get into ashooting because though I'm
going to go back to that wedidn't have to get into a
shooting because at thebeginning we knew the hands were
empty, right.
So, yes, you would have beengoing hands-on with a person
that has knives.

(02:04:34):
That always sucks, but as longas the hands are empty and I can
start controlling the hands,beautiful, I am confident enough
in my grappling skills If I canget wrist control, especially
on both wrists, especially yourright-handed wrist, I've got you
.
You're done.
I'm going to get control of you.
You're not going to get to anyknives and if you do start

(02:04:56):
trying to dig, you're in a verybad position because I'm going
to punish the shit out of you.
Yep, let's see what everybodyelse is saying.
Will cray, uh.
Ozark moon said uh, I think so,and it's newer.
We didn't have it in the 60sand the 70s.
I think we're talking abouthebs, yeah, yeah, um, being in
texas, I love heb.

(02:05:18):
By the way, we don't have onenear where I'm at.
God, I wish we did.
A.
Fucking love heb.
I've got one about an hour fromwhere we live.
See, yeah, exactly that's so farbut for me that's that's.

Speaker 2 (02:05:29):
That's not bad, because I'm out in the middle
freaking nowhere, so I'll I'lltake an hour to go get some
awesome produce and and good uh,good service and good people
and some good food yeah, marineblood.

Speaker 1 (02:05:40):
So that's not a little pocket knife, that was
not when you see that big oldshiny thing as he's running
through that's probably not dsize right there.
Yeah, uh, my date reference wasto heb.
Yeah, okay, so we were right.
Yeah, cool, um, but yeah, I I'mwith banning on this one.
You know it.
We both put our heads down whenwe saw the shooting, but that

(02:06:04):
shows you like, just because youlook at a body cam, that's not
what the officer's seeing.
The body cam is a.
It's a tool, it's somethingthat we have to use towards when
we're investigating, but that'snot the end-all, be-all.

Speaker 2 (02:06:17):
The body cam is not the end-all be-all.

Speaker 1 (02:06:19):
This would have been a great one for bond to be a
part of as well oh, for sure andthis is where I start to preach
that the eyes of the officer inhis report are the most
important thing that we have,and that's why writing a good
report not not doctoring yourreport, not saying bullshit, but
what you've seen, what you feltin the moment, that's important

(02:06:39):
and that should hold?
that should hold more weightthan anything out there.
We should never get to thepoint where we won't convict, we
won't do anything because thebody cam didn't show it.
That's bullshit.
You got a huge hiring process,you've got all of these
background checks.
99.9% of your officers are outthere doing the right thing.
That's what we need to lean on.

(02:07:02):
We can't be leaning on well,the body cam didn't show it, so
I don't have anything.
Or I don't have any videofootage, so we don't have
anything.
No, that's not how that goes.
Is it nice to have it as anenhancement?
Sure, but can't be going off ofthat we got one video left.
We're right at the two-hour mark, so we typically typically do
these for two hours.
So, um, although the one withvon clean, we went three hours.

(02:07:25):
We did so good.
He enjoyed it.
Man, it was such a good episode.
Um biggie size here.
Let's go to share screen.
This one says houston.
So see what it is.
Viewer.
Discretion advised.
We don't know what we got, saysHouston police suspect.

(02:07:47):
Hey, stop.

Speaker 6 (02:07:51):
You're just being detained, bro.

Speaker 1 (02:07:53):
Okay.
So you showed up in a clearlymarked police vehicle and police
uniform and you said hey, stop,you're just being detained.
Those are the first two thingswe heard.
So if you start to do anythingdumb or stupid, I'm using force
on you.
That's me, this is me in thisposition because I can't allow
you to run, because now youcould possibly get hit and

(02:08:16):
that's going to be on me becauseyou're detained.
You are seized by the policeright here.
So now you are myresponsibility.
So I'm gonna drop you with ataser, with a punch, with a
takedown, whatever it is.
If you start to try to move,what do you say, manny?

Speaker 2 (02:08:32):
no, I'm 100 with you.
I mean, it's your scene now, soeverything that happens after
this point is gonna come back tofreaking you.
You're the the swarm pieceofficer on scene.
Yep.

Speaker 6 (02:08:45):
Hey, don't fucking reach.

Speaker 1 (02:08:46):
Okay, he's starting to reach in a bag.
I'm with the officer, if I knowI can't close that distance
fast enough.
Now I'm backing up and I'mgoing to right now.

Speaker 2 (02:08:56):
This is hard.
I'm a little scared.
He's got an Olympic shirt on.
This dude may be able to runreally fast, right.

Speaker 1 (02:09:02):
So this is where I'm torn.
I may, personally I may go totaser right here, because I'm
very close and I'm confidentenough I can get off the x while
I'm deploying the taser.
Um, so that's me.
It's not what I would eventeach people, I would not teach
you if I see somebody startingto dig, but but I think me

(02:09:23):
personally I could get to mytaser fast enough.
Deploy see what it does as Itransition over and go to my
weapon, right.
Hey, don't fucking reach.
Now we're running againsttraffic.

Speaker 6 (02:09:47):
Drive that thing over the curb.

Speaker 1 (02:09:51):
Our boy's got some good cardio.
He's talking pretty calm ashe's running.

Speaker 5 (02:09:59):
Hey, drop it, drop that shit, give us the day.

Speaker 6 (02:10:03):
Give us the day we're not going to give you money.
Give us the day Want a gunpoint?
Hey, drop it.
Drop that shit.
Hold there, he has a knife,okay they did great.

Speaker 1 (02:10:12):
They did great.
Kept eyes on, recognized theother knife.
Everybody called it out.
We got good communication goingon.
I like it.

Speaker 6 (02:10:21):
Nope, we're going to kill you.
Man, put the knife down, we'lltalk.
Stay right here.
Stay right here, we'll talk,bro, just kidding.

Speaker 1 (02:10:28):
Good, the officers were starting to press.

Speaker 6 (02:10:29):
We tend to do that we magnetize to the threat, we
tend to walk in when we get kindof tunneled in a little bit and
this officer, the one that Isaid had he's got good cardio he
immediately told his guy allright, draw back, draw back we.

(02:10:51):
We got him right here no, needto rush in, put it down.
You got it right now.
Come on, man be cool all.

Speaker 1 (02:10:56):
Right now you got to start making up things in your
head.
If he starts to try to go intoa shop, I'm lighting him up.
Yep, I can't let you go into astore.
I can't let you go in and be athreat, take a hostage to any of
this.

Speaker 5 (02:11:07):
I told you I didn't think y'all had it.

Speaker 6 (02:11:13):
No, you're not Everybody's got it.
Look man, we're just trying totalk.
Okay, Nobody needs to get hurt.
You can have a conversation,that's it.
But you got to drop the knifefor us, bro.

Speaker 1 (02:11:24):
We're de-escalating, trying to make conversation.
Nobody needs to get hurt.
I'm loving it.

Speaker 6 (02:11:33):
You're doing great.
Hurt you, man, we're not goingto kill you.
Bro, drop the.
Hey, nice and slow, nice andslow, yep, stay on line, yep.
Hey, man, be cool.
All right, we're not looking tohurt you, we're not looking to
do anything like that.

(02:11:53):
All right, we don't looking todo anything like that.
All right, I told y'all y'allwere going to kill me.
Didn't I say that we don't wantto kill you, dude?
Didn't I say y'all were goingto kill?

Speaker 5 (02:12:02):
me, we're not looking to do anything.

Speaker 6 (02:12:03):
Hey, back up, watch out, watch out.
Hey, I'm going to grab Taser.

Speaker 1 (02:12:12):
I was just getting ready to say we've got three.

Speaker 6 (02:12:20):
A one person go non-lethal.
Let's see what we can do with ataser.
Hey, he's running.

Speaker 1 (02:12:29):
I'm going to transition back, I'm going to
put my taser back up if he'srunning and we're going to get
back on foot.
Now it's just a knife.
I say just a knife.
That's a deadly weapon.
But if I've got the distancenow, I know I can run after him.
I don't necessarily need tohave my gun in my hand.
I think it's a bad idea to runwith your gun in your hand if we
have distance, and it's not adistance weapon that the bad guy

(02:12:51):
has.
If he's got a gun, I'm runningwith my gun out.
That's usually a policyviolation at any department.
But yeah, I'll fade that heat.
You can slap my wrist all youwant, I'm going to chase after
you.

Speaker 6 (02:13:10):
Let's get our shot.

Speaker 1 (02:13:12):
Houston calls their cars their shop.
Just so you're used to theverbiage.
I've worked around Houstontwice now for hurricane disaster
relief.
His buddy went after him so hecan't go get his car now.
All right, we got threeofficers still In the cemetery.

Speaker 6 (02:13:47):
Cool man, Be cool.
We're on that entrance to thecemetery.
Hey, there's people over there.
We got some people out here inthe cemetery.
Be cool man, we're not going toshoot dude.
No, don't go towards them.
Do not go towards them.
Don't go towards them, Do notrun towards them, I like it.

Speaker 1 (02:14:04):
They're letting him know like if you go towards them
, they're saying it withoutsaying it.
Don't go towards him.
So this is your classic suicideby cop scenario.

(02:14:25):
He's telling you you got tokill me.
He's got a knife, so he'sgiving you no other choice.
So for me there's no question.
You come towards me, you gotowards him, I'm ready to shoot.
You made the choice, I didn'tmake it.
You come towards me, you gotowards them, I'm ready to shoot
.
You made the choice, I didn'tmake it.

Speaker 5 (02:14:40):
Hey, come on.

Speaker 1 (02:15:10):
Watch the cross beautiful l formation.
This is wonderful.
This is typical.
Uh, this is military training.
I don't I'm not sayinghouston's got military training,
but the way they are set up.
Right now they're all onlinewatching the cross, watching
their crossfire and calling itout, talking it.
This is good stuff, goodbackdrop for both right now, man
.

Speaker 5 (02:15:26):
You guys talk.
That's it.
No, you don't want to talk, youwant to arrest me over that man
?

Speaker 6 (02:15:33):
No, we don't Put the knife down and we can talk.
I promise you we'll just talk.

Speaker 1 (02:15:44):
And this is where having some good social skills
goes comes into play.
And I'm not knocking thisofficer, but his tone and the
way he's coming across soundsvery robotic, very police
trained.
I don't genuinely believe thathe is trying to have a real
conversation with the bad guy,and that's not his fault.
I just I me, if I was on scene,I may pick that up and say, hey

(02:16:08):
, hey, let me try, Let me try,Let me try to start talking to
this guy and see if I can getsome sort of rapport.
This guy clearly he's been theone talking the whole time.
It's not working with this guy,so I would try someone else.

Speaker 6 (02:16:24):
Hey, look, put the knife down.
We put the guns down, we justhave a conversation, all right.

Speaker 3 (02:16:29):
Hey, I'm coming over.

Speaker 6 (02:16:32):
Hey, look, we stopped walking forward.
Just come talk to us.
No, hey, just do me a favor anddrop the knife.
I'm not lying to you, bro.
You put the knife down.
We'll have a cordial, civilized, normal conversation.

Speaker 1 (02:16:45):
They did.
They switched people talkingand this guy does sound more
genuine.

Speaker 6 (02:16:50):
Bro, alright, we'll just have a conversation.
We'll talk about what you gotgoing on.
We'll help you fix yourproblems, alright.

Speaker 5 (02:17:00):
How about we go to?

Speaker 6 (02:17:00):
that man and see where it all starts.
All right, we can do that.
That's okay with me, bro, wecan do that.

Speaker 1 (02:17:04):
Officers, you got to let one person talk.
You can't jump in.
I know we want to.
We're all freaking alphas andwe want to help.
We all want to be the hero, butyou got to let one part.
If you want to be a good leader, you got to learn to follow.

Speaker 6 (02:17:21):
Yeah, absolutely.
We don't want to hurt you, bro,you don't want to hurt us right
.

Speaker 1 (02:17:28):
The extended mag.
I like it.

Speaker 6 (02:17:33):
Be cool man.
Don't do it.
Hey, don't do it.

Speaker 5 (02:17:35):
Don't do it, man.
We're trying to help you.

Speaker 6 (02:17:36):
He's got a knife up to his left forearm right now.
Come on, man, he's cuttinghimself.
He's cutting himself If theystart to cut themselves.
You gotta let them cutthemselves.

Speaker 1 (02:17:49):
You can't shoot them to prevent them from cutting
themselves.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:17:55):
Hey, I'm gonna go non-lethal.
Yeah, that's fine, come on.
No, no, don't rush us.
Don't rush us with that knifeman, come back a little bit
closer Right here is good, we'regood.

Speaker 1 (02:18:06):
Come on, man.
That's how I know you're nottrying to kill me.
Okay, so the taser itself willreach out.
The new one goes 45 feet.
Yeah, that's a different trickthere though out the new one
goes 45 feet.
He's using a 7 and I think it'slike maybe 25 yards max.

Speaker 6 (02:18:24):
We are trying to help man, so the minivan's out of
place.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, don't do thatman, don't do that man.
Hey, man, we have to protectourselves, okay, we're not
looking to kill you bro.
Don't do it, bro, don't do it.

(02:18:49):
Don't do it, bro, please.
We just want to have aconversation, bro, bro.
Hey man, you got family, yougot friends.
Hey, we can be your friends,Drop the knife dog.
Just drop the knife and we canbe friends, bro, we can talk.

Speaker 1 (02:19:04):
Too many people trying to talk.
It's driving me insane.

Speaker 6 (02:19:07):
We're not going to shoot you, bro.
Hey, this whole time we haven'tshot at you at all.
Okay, we're not looking to hurtyou, we just want to talk this
isn't the answer.
The handcuffs are not going tocome out, bro, but you got to
drop that knife.
Hey, let's back up a little bit.
Just give us some room.
Hey, we're going to give yousome room, man.

(02:19:29):
Hey, drop the knife.
What are you?
Doing.

Speaker 1 (02:19:34):
Hey, I don't see anybody behind us.

Speaker 5 (02:19:36):
Yeah, hey, just relax .
What's your name, man?
You know what?

Speaker 6 (02:19:41):
No, don't do it, hey don't do it, man, don't do it,
don't do it bro.

Speaker 5 (02:19:45):
Z aim for the head.
We're not looking to do that.

Speaker 6 (02:19:50):
Hey, we don't want to hurt you dude.

Speaker 1 (02:19:52):
All right, hey, drop the knife.
I'm going to have a line in thesand for myself.
There's going to be a pointthat I'm not going to let him
cross.
Based on his body language,he's not running towards anybody
.
It looks like he's just goingto keep trying to creep closer
and closer.
So as he starts to creep closerand closer, if I got the
ability to move back, I'llretreat as he pushes forward,

(02:20:14):
but there will be a point whereI'm not going to let you get too
close to me we got, we got time.

Speaker 6 (02:20:22):
We're not looking to do that, we just want to talk.
Hey, man, it's all right.
What's your name bro?
Okay, we'll tell.
We'll talk to him too.
Okay, go right, yeah, movingright we're not, we're not we

(02:20:47):
just want to talk to you, bro.

Speaker 5 (02:20:48):
We're not, hey, man all right, put away, just put it
in the ground, put it in theground.

Speaker 6 (02:20:54):
You throw it away for us.
I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 1 (02:21:02):
I may have pulled a cowboy move on that.
If you put that thing in yourpocket, I may have rushed with
my taser.

Speaker 6 (02:21:10):
Black hair, long hair .
Blue shirt, gray shorts.
We just need you to drop theknife.
We're in the northwest cornerof Darius.
Come on, we just want to helpyou.
We'll talk, just need you todrop the knife, come to the
northwest corner of Dairy Aspernand uh, where, come on?
There's no other way for us dog, we just wanna help you.

Speaker 1 (02:21:20):
We'll talk to you when you drop the knife.

Speaker 6 (02:21:21):
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Come on man, be cool, be cool.
What are you looking to dothere?

Speaker 5 (02:21:25):
Hey, drop the knife, drop it.

Speaker 6 (02:21:32):
Drop it, bro, that man.
No, just drop the knife.

Speaker 5 (02:21:35):
man watch this video hey, get in the van and go kill
me.

Speaker 6 (02:22:04):
No, no no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no, no, no, no, no, no, no no
no no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Got a family back there, hey,swing, swing, swing wide left.
Hey don't let him.
Hey get out of the way.

Speaker 5 (02:22:21):
Get out of the way.
Get out of the way, move.

Speaker 6 (02:22:34):
You got to keep pressing forward.
Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, Go,go, go, go go.

Speaker 1 (02:22:44):
That dude ain't going nowhere fast.
That dude's giving shit.
You see that he didn't care atall.
Where are we at Severalofficers?

(02:23:08):
Let's see they're still in thecemetery for those kind of
listening to this it's a bigcemetery.

(02:23:30):
Hey, you have to be careful,he's going gonna charge at you
and uh, stop, you can't say thatchill, chill, chill he said be
careful, he's gonna charge atyou and stop like you don't know
.
That just because he did it thefirst few times doesn't mean

(02:23:53):
that's what he's gonna continueto do.
Yeah, he's.
He's trying to bait you intoshooting him, but this is a
suicide by cop thing, like Idon't tell you, because he may
hesitate and then you may gethim cut hey, relax, relax, hey,
stop, chill on the ground on theground.

Speaker 2 (02:24:15):
We don't want to shoot you on the ground.

Speaker 6 (02:24:19):
See, see, see, see, see, hold it, hold it, hold it,
hold it.
Hey, slow it down, slow it down.
We're still doing verbalcommands.

Speaker 1 (02:24:27):
Yeah, we play the proverbial 21-foot rule.
He was well within the 21-footrule and I think, unfortunately
for our bad bad guy, he pushedon a new officer and that's why
they were telling him hey, if hepushes forward like he'll stop.
He wasn't stopping that timeand I think the the newest

(02:24:50):
officer on scene like he's he'sprobably the first one to fire.
I don't know that for sure, butthat's what it seemed like.
So, yeah, overall, that'sexactly how I would have handled
that as well.
I got nothing to.

Speaker 2 (02:25:05):
There's nothing to critique on that, nothing to
critique.
On that, they did their bestnot to do what they had to do
Get this guy so many chances.

Speaker 1 (02:25:13):
Yep, perry Lemley said beanbag, if you have one,
but then now you're runningaround with a beanbag gun that
you typically you can't carryyour beanbag gun around, it's in
your vehicle.
You have to grab it, deploy it.
Um, and this guy was moving toomuch to possibly get that.
It's different if you got themcornered and you can go grab it.

(02:25:34):
That's that's when it's aviable option.
In this case, I think.
Um, it was not.
Uh, ozark moon said is that anopen door in the cop car?
Yep, it is.
Doesn't mean it was running,doesn't mean the keys were in or
anything like that, butpossible access to other things.
Sure, um, and it looks thatofficer may have been caught off

(02:25:58):
guard.
He may have been trying to finda park place to park so he
could figure out where everybodywas at, and everybody ran right
into him because that's wherethe bad guy pressed.
So it does happen.
It's not necessarily, uh, hisfault.
I won't blame him for that.
I've been in those positions.
But, yeah, for me, overall thatwas a suicide by cop and they

(02:26:21):
did everything the way I wouldhave.
That's all I got for tonight,guys.
That's the videos I had queuedup.
I thought that was anappropriate amount of time.
We're at about two and a halfhours, a little over what we
normally do, but at the sametime I don't feel like there was
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So appreciate y'all Banning.

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You got any parting words foreverybody.

Speaker 2 (02:26:46):
Learn from these videos.
For those of you that aren'tlaw enforcement, you're out
there in the public If you needhelp calling it some help, man.
This that's not a way to go outon what we just watched and and
damn sure the officers didn'twant to do that.
But no parting words, man.
I love what we do here.
I think we give a differentperspective to folks to where
they can hopefully betterunderstand some things.
Have an open forum here.

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